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Speaker 3: Coast to Coast, I am Sarah Normal Podcast Network. Welcome

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Speaker 3: Because how else are we going to learn about what's

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Speaker 3: not talking. And in fact, today the program we're going

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Speaker 3: because again, it's all about growing, learning, sharing, caring, right,

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Speaker 3: it is the experience, I mean, new death experiences, Jesus encounters,

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Speaker 3: Paranormal Podcast Network. As promised, I have a great, great

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Speaker 3: How are you doing today, They're Shane.

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Speaker 4: I'm doing pretty good. Heidi, how are you?

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Speaker 3: Oh my gosh. You know what, I just got to

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Speaker 4: Yeah? So, you know, I'm just a regular dude that

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Speaker 3: That, you know, because sometimes people just do what you did,

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Speaker 3: And you know, for people that are listening, Shane is

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Speaker 3: it's a great that's correct. I think it's awesome. I'm like, no,

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Speaker 4: That's going down. It is like it is like apocalypse

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Speaker 3: It's so crazy. But yeah, I mean honestly, and I've

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Speaker 3: And you you definitely did so I applaud you for that.

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Speaker 3: So tell me, tell me what was the experience that

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Speaker 4: Yeah. So I've been reading paranormal books and things like

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Speaker 4: And when I say slowly, I mean slowly, just like

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Speaker 3: So when you talk about the balls of light, they

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Speaker 4: No, they were directly. They were like between me and

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Speaker 3: You know, I'm trying to imagine it. Did they keep

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Speaker 4: They were? They were like the jelly oh like like

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Speaker 3: And how many of we're there? Do you think?

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Speaker 4: You know, I talked to Mike West all the time.

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Speaker 4: I've told him my story, and you know, it doesn't

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Speaker 4: stuff isn't real. Something's happening, something supernatural is occurring to

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Speaker 3: Oh gosh. And you know I got to tell you too,

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Speaker 3: because he said, Holly, we were just talking about one

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Speaker 4: Oh my god, did again Heidi?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it happens a lot.

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Speaker 4: I mean it happens to her too.

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Speaker 3: Oh really they bled my firstes.

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Speaker 4: She got called Heidi this morning.

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Speaker 3: Really, I love it. It's funny. It's like some people get,

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Speaker 4: I get called Sean all the time in real life, so.

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Speaker 3: Ah, yeah, there you go. But you know what I'm like, wondering, Uh,

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Speaker 3: I love that thunder what's your heart and soul? Telling

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Speaker 3: to search your your mind on that one.

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Speaker 4: Yeah. So I'm gonna be honest with you. As soon

428
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Speaker 4: as it happened, I stood up and I said, Mama,

429
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Speaker 4: go be with Daddy. I got this. It'll be okay

430
00:23:36,560 --> 00:23:42,320
Speaker 4: and beautiful. Yeah. Cool. And then but but then after

431
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Speaker 4: when I woke up, you know, and I really tried to,

432
00:23:44,960 --> 00:23:46,440
Speaker 4: like I try to do a systems check when I

433
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Speaker 4: wake up in the morning, and I've been doing that

434
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Speaker 4: for a long time. And and I thought, I need

435
00:23:50,080 --> 00:23:51,600
Speaker 4: to think about that because what I saw was not

436
00:23:51,680 --> 00:23:53,840
Speaker 4: something that should ever been seen by you know, I'm

437
00:23:53,840 --> 00:23:55,479
Speaker 4: not You're not told any of this is real. You're

438
00:23:55,480 --> 00:23:58,639
Speaker 4: told it's all just fake. And I told myself a

439
00:23:58,680 --> 00:24:00,560
Speaker 4: long time ago, if I ever saw anything paranormal, I

440
00:24:00,560 --> 00:24:02,440
Speaker 4: wouldn't run from it, and if I ever did, it's

441
00:24:02,440 --> 00:24:04,560
Speaker 4: all real. And so I sat there and I thought

442
00:24:04,600 --> 00:24:07,080
Speaker 4: to myself, I said, why would my mom come back

443
00:24:07,119 --> 00:24:09,399
Speaker 4: and do that? You know, like more or less, like

444
00:24:09,440 --> 00:24:11,800
Speaker 4: maybe something was feeding off the energy of all the

445
00:24:11,800 --> 00:24:13,960
Speaker 4: people in my house, the sad people, the happy people,

446
00:24:14,480 --> 00:24:16,800
Speaker 4: the really really angry people that the people who were

447
00:24:16,800 --> 00:24:19,960
Speaker 4: just like kind of numb. And I figure, if if

448
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Speaker 4: any house had no house in that and within fifty miles,

449
00:24:23,520 --> 00:24:25,720
Speaker 4: it probably had as much emotion going on in my house.

450
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Speaker 4: So I imagine if you were some type of transient being

451
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Speaker 4: or something that fed off of emotion. And I don't

452
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Speaker 4: know why, I think this was just how I placed

453
00:24:33,200 --> 00:24:35,360
Speaker 4: it together, my house would have lit up like fourth

454
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Speaker 4: of July, like if you looked at an aerial view,

455
00:24:37,000 --> 00:24:39,600
Speaker 4: you would have just my house would have been glowing, right. Yeah,

456
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Speaker 4: So I spent that morning, you know, cursing God in

457
00:24:42,240 --> 00:24:44,560
Speaker 4: the church, you know, just asking why did you take

458
00:24:44,560 --> 00:24:46,720
Speaker 4: my mom from me? Why? Like screaming. But they had

459
00:24:46,760 --> 00:24:48,760
Speaker 4: to pulled me out of there, and so it was

460
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Speaker 4: a I mean, honestly, it was a heavy emotional day.

461
00:24:50,520 --> 00:24:53,680
Speaker 4: I mean it was absolutely bonkers. So I've never felt

462
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Speaker 4: emotion like that again or since.

463
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Speaker 3: So, Wow, you needed that, You needed that? Fine like that?

464
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Speaker 3: You know what, We're gonna get to our next break.

465
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Speaker 3: You guys, you are listening to Dark Becomes Light with

466
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Speaker 3: me Tidi Hollis on the iHeart Radio and Coast to

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Speaker 3: Coast AM Paranormal Podcast Network. Stick around, We'll be right back.

468
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Speaker 3: Welcome back. You are listening to Dark Becomes Light with

469
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Speaker 3: me Heidi Hollis on the iHeart Radio and Coast to

470
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Speaker 3: Coast AM Perranormal Podcast Network. So I have Shane here

471
00:25:44,320 --> 00:25:48,199
Speaker 3: who is sharing one of the most incredible paranormal almost

472
00:25:48,600 --> 00:25:53,639
Speaker 3: sounding u AFO connected type of experience. But you absolutely

473
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Speaker 3: recognized it was your mom perhaps meeting with your father.

474
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Speaker 3: Is that what you were saying.

475
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Speaker 4: Honestly, Holly, uh to be to be real with you.

476
00:26:03,480 --> 00:26:06,320
Speaker 4: So there's some like misconceptions with it. I thought at

477
00:26:06,320 --> 00:26:08,760
Speaker 4: the time that it was my mother, but I think

478
00:26:09,040 --> 00:26:12,560
Speaker 4: afterwards it was some type of like force that was

479
00:26:12,600 --> 00:26:15,520
Speaker 4: feeding off of the of the emotion, like like shadow

480
00:26:15,560 --> 00:26:18,560
Speaker 4: people like something was there, and I think that it

481
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Speaker 4: it did something because like the house, This is the

482
00:26:22,160 --> 00:26:24,360
Speaker 4: part that gets weird is the house. Like people wouldn't

483
00:26:24,359 --> 00:26:25,639
Speaker 4: come and I would tell I told a lot of

484
00:26:25,680 --> 00:26:27,080
Speaker 4: people about this, like you know when you have something

485
00:26:27,240 --> 00:26:28,960
Speaker 4: you're screaming everybody like I saw this, I saw this.

486
00:26:29,040 --> 00:26:32,720
Speaker 4: They don't believe you, and I like people wouldn't come

487
00:26:32,760 --> 00:26:35,280
Speaker 4: inside the house anymore. They would like bring me something

488
00:26:35,280 --> 00:26:36,600
Speaker 4: to eat and they would not walk through that. They

489
00:26:36,600 --> 00:26:38,200
Speaker 4: would walk in the garage, but they would not come

490
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Speaker 4: in the door at all. And my aunt was really spiritual,

491
00:26:41,040 --> 00:26:42,440
Speaker 4: and she was like, it's just randomly and she didn't

492
00:26:42,440 --> 00:26:43,720
Speaker 4: even know about the story. She's like, I'm not coming

493
00:26:43,760 --> 00:26:46,879
Speaker 4: in there. Something's really weird about your house. And there

494
00:26:46,920 --> 00:26:49,480
Speaker 4: was this weird like like my really long hallway, and

495
00:26:49,520 --> 00:26:51,760
Speaker 4: it would give me like weird sketchy feelings and stuff.

496
00:26:51,800 --> 00:26:54,200
Speaker 4: But I never saw anything else in the house the

497
00:26:54,240 --> 00:26:55,239
Speaker 4: rest of the time I was there. Was in there

498
00:26:55,240 --> 00:26:58,080
Speaker 4: for about seven more months, but there was this weird

499
00:26:58,200 --> 00:27:02,000
Speaker 4: feeling of just it wasn't the same anymore. If that

500
00:27:02,040 --> 00:27:03,160
Speaker 4: makes sense, Yeah.

501
00:27:02,960 --> 00:27:06,320
Speaker 3: It does. You know, of course, when I hear red lights,

502
00:27:06,800 --> 00:27:09,320
Speaker 3: I think of the red eyes of shadow people, and

503
00:27:09,960 --> 00:27:14,440
Speaker 3: you know, I've not heard of six gelatinous balls of

504
00:27:14,520 --> 00:27:17,800
Speaker 3: light that are red like that spinning around. But what

505
00:27:17,920 --> 00:27:20,600
Speaker 3: made you say to your mom, you know, go be

506
00:27:20,720 --> 00:27:23,679
Speaker 3: with daddy. I mean, what was that trigger? What do

507
00:27:23,720 --> 00:27:24,399
Speaker 3: you think that was about?

508
00:27:24,359 --> 00:27:26,360
Speaker 4: That? That's the weird part, because it just came right out.

509
00:27:26,440 --> 00:27:29,360
Speaker 4: I think it was just grief. And you know, I've

510
00:27:29,359 --> 00:27:31,760
Speaker 4: talked to a lot of people about this phenomenon that's occurring,

511
00:27:31,760 --> 00:27:35,159
Speaker 4: and unfortunately through my research since then, I've tried, I

512
00:27:35,200 --> 00:27:37,080
Speaker 4: tried and try every day to get less and less ignorant,

513
00:27:37,440 --> 00:27:38,919
Speaker 4: and I try to hear what other people have had

514
00:27:38,920 --> 00:27:40,800
Speaker 4: happened to them and as you in you, Holly, or

515
00:27:40,840 --> 00:27:43,600
Speaker 4: how do you get more than probably anybody when it

516
00:27:43,600 --> 00:27:45,760
Speaker 4: comes to shadow people phenomenon, and you hear from people

517
00:27:45,800 --> 00:27:47,760
Speaker 4: all the time and it's terrifying, right a lot of

518
00:27:47,760 --> 00:27:49,960
Speaker 4: the time. And I've talked to I've talked to a

519
00:27:49,960 --> 00:27:55,000
Speaker 4: lot like Stephen Mira, Carl the Crusher, Chris Bartel, Brain

520
00:27:55,040 --> 00:27:56,359
Speaker 4: and Fugel. I've talked to a lot of the guys

521
00:27:56,359 --> 00:27:58,919
Speaker 4: that are dealing with like transient phenomenon, and it's it

522
00:27:58,960 --> 00:28:00,600
Speaker 4: doesn't seem to be that it's going to do anything

523
00:28:00,640 --> 00:28:02,600
Speaker 4: for your benefit. It might trick you, in my opinion,

524
00:28:02,640 --> 00:28:04,640
Speaker 4: that's for your benefit. But so far, I haven't seen

525
00:28:04,640 --> 00:28:06,679
Speaker 4: any love and light. That's uh. You know a lot

526
00:28:06,680 --> 00:28:08,680
Speaker 4: of people preach this love and light stuff, but I'm

527
00:28:08,720 --> 00:28:11,159
Speaker 4: not seeing it. I'm seeing something that was feeding off

528
00:28:11,200 --> 00:28:13,720
Speaker 4: of me because I you know, this was weird. Yeah,

529
00:28:13,840 --> 00:28:15,520
Speaker 4: I think it was a reflex thing. It might eve

530
00:28:15,520 --> 00:28:17,600
Speaker 4: even like it might have even tricked me into thinking

531
00:28:17,640 --> 00:28:19,400
Speaker 4: it was my mom. Like I literally, I've seen nothing

532
00:28:19,400 --> 00:28:20,879
Speaker 4: that would convince me like I want to think that

533
00:28:20,920 --> 00:28:23,200
Speaker 4: when my mother left, When my sweet mother left this earth,

534
00:28:24,040 --> 00:28:25,760
Speaker 4: when I held her hand listening to Johnny Cash in

535
00:28:25,840 --> 00:28:28,800
Speaker 4: that hospital that night, when she left, I want to

536
00:28:29,000 --> 00:28:31,199
Speaker 4: I want to think to myself that she deserved to

537
00:28:31,280 --> 00:28:33,159
Speaker 4: just go on and be free from this planet. She

538
00:28:33,160 --> 00:28:35,040
Speaker 4: doesn't need to worry about me. I'm a grown man,

539
00:28:35,520 --> 00:28:37,719
Speaker 4: I'm her son. She raised me. Why would she need

540
00:28:37,760 --> 00:28:39,840
Speaker 4: to come back and show me anything? Like I would

541
00:28:39,880 --> 00:28:41,960
Speaker 4: hope that if there's a god or a force, that

542
00:28:42,080 --> 00:28:44,280
Speaker 4: it took her and let her be free and to

543
00:28:44,400 --> 00:28:47,000
Speaker 4: go on her next mission, whatever that is. That's what

544
00:28:47,040 --> 00:28:49,480
Speaker 4: I want for my mother to go and experience what

545
00:28:49,680 --> 00:28:51,960
Speaker 4: you can only experience after you leave this plane. She

546
00:28:52,000 --> 00:28:53,680
Speaker 4: doesn't need to come back and worry about me. So

547
00:28:53,760 --> 00:28:54,720
Speaker 4: that's my take on that.

548
00:28:55,080 --> 00:28:56,880
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know what I got. I got something to

549
00:28:56,960 --> 00:29:00,520
Speaker 3: share with you then too. Because my mother passed when

550
00:29:00,520 --> 00:29:04,560
Speaker 3: I was seven, and we didn't have any issues coming on.

551
00:29:04,720 --> 00:29:06,640
Speaker 3: I appreciate it. We didn't have any issues going on

552
00:29:06,760 --> 00:29:09,560
Speaker 3: or anything like that. As soon as she passed, our

553
00:29:09,560 --> 00:29:12,360
Speaker 3: house became haunted. But you know, I'm seven years old.

554
00:29:12,400 --> 00:29:14,560
Speaker 3: My sister's five. You know, she's got young kids in

555
00:29:14,600 --> 00:29:17,960
Speaker 3: the house. What why would she come and haunt us?

556
00:29:18,040 --> 00:29:20,280
Speaker 3: You know what mother would want to do such a thing,

557
00:29:20,800 --> 00:29:23,800
Speaker 3: and you know, people are like, well, And we also

558
00:29:23,880 --> 00:29:26,360
Speaker 3: had where my grandmother started to come to the house,

559
00:29:26,920 --> 00:29:29,520
Speaker 3: stopped at the threshold and said, I am not coming

560
00:29:29,520 --> 00:29:32,560
Speaker 3: in this house. Something's weird. So I mean, I'm getting

561
00:29:32,560 --> 00:29:35,600
Speaker 3: goosebumps while you're talking because it's like a flashback. And

562
00:29:35,640 --> 00:29:39,400
Speaker 3: that's when I didn't know it then, but shadow people

563
00:29:40,000 --> 00:29:43,880
Speaker 3: were absolutely the ones infiltrating and it took me such

564
00:29:43,880 --> 00:29:45,600
Speaker 3: a long time to know, you know, because I didn't

565
00:29:45,640 --> 00:29:47,600
Speaker 3: come up with shadow people as a seven year old.

566
00:29:47,680 --> 00:29:47,840
Speaker 4: Yeah.

567
00:29:47,840 --> 00:29:51,440
Speaker 3: It was when I was in college and my stepbrother

568
00:29:51,560 --> 00:29:55,680
Speaker 3: got attacked by something black with glowing red eyes, and

569
00:29:55,760 --> 00:29:58,160
Speaker 3: I'm like, there's the sign.

570
00:29:58,000 --> 00:29:59,840
Speaker 4: You know, And there it is, yep.

571
00:30:00,000 --> 00:30:02,760
Speaker 3: And I tell people, I'm like, look, when mom's protective

572
00:30:02,840 --> 00:30:07,959
Speaker 3: love left, something dark came to feed and take advantage.

573
00:30:08,000 --> 00:30:10,360
Speaker 3: And that's what you put that together. I mean, it's

574
00:30:10,360 --> 00:30:13,240
Speaker 3: brilliant because absolutely that's what it sounds like to me.

575
00:30:14,160 --> 00:30:16,240
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think that when you have an experience, you know,

576
00:30:16,280 --> 00:30:18,280
Speaker 4: it's really bad for kids because they don't have the

577
00:30:18,280 --> 00:30:20,720
Speaker 4: cognitive ability that the problem solving abilities. You're not old

578
00:30:20,800 --> 00:30:23,800
Speaker 4: enough yet. If they do, they're very ahead, right, And

579
00:30:23,880 --> 00:30:27,520
Speaker 4: I think it's important to when you see anything crazy

580
00:30:27,600 --> 00:30:30,000
Speaker 4: or weird and paranormal, right, you know, be a little

581
00:30:30,000 --> 00:30:31,840
Speaker 4: bit of Mick West, be a little bit of these guys,

582
00:30:32,440 --> 00:30:34,400
Speaker 4: sit back for a second and kind of think about

583
00:30:34,440 --> 00:30:37,200
Speaker 4: what happened and seek the answers, look at both sides

584
00:30:37,240 --> 00:30:39,640
Speaker 4: of the coin. It's you know, I think very rarely

585
00:30:40,080 --> 00:30:41,520
Speaker 4: it's going to be the first thing that comes into

586
00:30:41,520 --> 00:30:44,520
Speaker 4: your mind. That's just a rush decision. And so there's

587
00:30:44,560 --> 00:30:47,640
Speaker 4: nothing wrong with doing research and trying to figure out yourself.

588
00:30:47,640 --> 00:30:51,360
Speaker 4: I'll probably never know what happened. But through my talks

589
00:30:51,360 --> 00:30:53,760
Speaker 4: with with like Carl the Krusher for instance, Like he

590
00:30:53,800 --> 00:30:56,200
Speaker 4: talks about the Native American aspect a lot, know when

591
00:30:56,440 --> 00:30:58,960
Speaker 4: his YouTube channel is fantastic, and his videos got me

592
00:30:58,960 --> 00:31:01,880
Speaker 4: through a lot of hard times. And so I've been

593
00:31:01,920 --> 00:31:03,680
Speaker 4: studying that a lot lately. And when you talk when

594
00:31:03,680 --> 00:31:05,800
Speaker 4: you hear the Natives talk about this kind of stuff,

595
00:31:05,800 --> 00:31:08,480
Speaker 4: it's either it's really not even really that good either,

596
00:31:08,720 --> 00:31:10,880
Speaker 4: you know, it's either you know, it's some type of

597
00:31:10,880 --> 00:31:15,360
Speaker 4: transient like like force that it's like a vampire, like

598
00:31:15,360 --> 00:31:17,160
Speaker 4: like an emotional vampire. And I don't know how it

599
00:31:17,200 --> 00:31:19,400
Speaker 4: manifests itself for what it's doing, but I think a

600
00:31:19,400 --> 00:31:21,600
Speaker 4: lot of the answers lied with the Native people. So

601
00:31:21,600 --> 00:31:23,320
Speaker 4: that's my next thing that I'm going to be researching

602
00:31:23,360 --> 00:31:26,120
Speaker 4: as hard as I can is U is the Native people,

603
00:31:26,160 --> 00:31:28,959
Speaker 4: the natives of North America, and you know, show them respect.

604
00:31:28,960 --> 00:31:30,920
Speaker 4: I wasn't raised with any of that knowledge at all.

605
00:31:30,960 --> 00:31:33,360
Speaker 4: I never got to go to a reservation, never got

606
00:31:33,360 --> 00:31:34,920
Speaker 4: to do anything. So I figured, there's all these people

607
00:31:34,960 --> 00:31:36,560
Speaker 4: that have lived here for a thousands of years. I

608
00:31:36,600 --> 00:31:38,680
Speaker 4: live here. It happened to me here. Maybe ask them

609
00:31:38,680 --> 00:31:41,280
Speaker 4: about it, right, So that's that's my next mission.

610
00:31:41,560 --> 00:31:43,920
Speaker 3: No, I like it. You know you're you go about

611
00:31:43,960 --> 00:31:47,560
Speaker 3: this methodically and sensibly too. You know, like a lot

612
00:31:47,560 --> 00:31:50,240
Speaker 3: of people, of course, when they lose somebody, they they

613
00:31:50,280 --> 00:31:53,760
Speaker 3: go through the knee jerk reaction of emotion. But you

614
00:31:53,800 --> 00:31:55,840
Speaker 3: did that, but then you took a step back as

615
00:31:55,880 --> 00:31:58,720
Speaker 3: I called on, hold on, there's other pieces going on here,

616
00:31:58,760 --> 00:32:01,240
Speaker 3: and you know you expect us yourself. So clearly I

617
00:32:01,280 --> 00:32:05,320
Speaker 3: find that rather unique, uh with you, And I'm glad,

618
00:32:05,800 --> 00:32:08,200
Speaker 3: glad to hear that you're you're joining in the the

619
00:32:08,200 --> 00:32:10,600
Speaker 3: research element because you know, this is how we find

620
00:32:10,640 --> 00:32:13,520
Speaker 3: answers that nobody has all of them all we can

621
00:32:13,560 --> 00:32:16,160
Speaker 3: do it. It's together, Yeah, and just work together and

622
00:32:16,440 --> 00:32:19,240
Speaker 3: respect each other and that's uh, that's half the battle

623
00:32:19,320 --> 00:32:22,760
Speaker 3: right there. And always keeping your ears the public. And

624
00:32:23,240 --> 00:32:27,600
Speaker 3: that's another cool aspect that I like about your your

625
00:32:27,640 --> 00:32:31,440
Speaker 3: your Twitter, your Twitter Extraterrestrial Explorers on clave. I mean,

626
00:32:31,480 --> 00:32:34,520
Speaker 3: that's that's awesome. I mean, so you have these these

627
00:32:34,920 --> 00:32:37,560
Speaker 3: conversations and tell us a little bit about how that

628
00:32:37,640 --> 00:32:40,080
Speaker 3: goes for you and anybody that'd be interested in go

629
00:32:40,120 --> 00:32:40,760
Speaker 3: and check it out.

630
00:32:41,760 --> 00:32:45,080
Speaker 4: Yeah. So if you don't know about Twitter spaces, you should,

631
00:32:45,200 --> 00:32:47,560
Speaker 4: especially if you love youupology, if you want to come

632
00:32:47,640 --> 00:32:50,440
Speaker 4: talk to Heidi season there sometimes. Uh you know, uh,

633
00:32:50,760 --> 00:32:53,720
Speaker 4: they're they're great, They're so great. You I've met so

634
00:32:53,760 --> 00:32:57,120
Speaker 4: many wonderful people. And when it comes to UFOs, it

635
00:32:57,160 --> 00:33:00,520
Speaker 4: comes to UFO Twitter, you have different greens of people,

636
00:33:00,600 --> 00:33:02,440
Speaker 4: right but the people that come into the spaces and

637
00:33:02,520 --> 00:33:05,360
Speaker 4: especially the ones that talk and listen, they they are

638
00:33:05,400 --> 00:33:08,240
Speaker 4: there because they're either super super curious or there or

639
00:33:08,280 --> 00:33:10,680
Speaker 4: they've had something happen to them and I cannot tell

640
00:33:10,680 --> 00:33:13,080
Speaker 4: you how many times I've been hosting a room and

641
00:33:13,120 --> 00:33:16,120
Speaker 4: we've had I've had literally special guests in there and

642
00:33:16,840 --> 00:33:18,800
Speaker 4: like alien Girl won one one from YouTube or you know,

643
00:33:18,840 --> 00:33:20,640
Speaker 4: we try to boost up everybody, you know, get carry

644
00:33:20,640 --> 00:33:23,040
Speaker 4: everybody to the top together and uh, and then someone

645
00:33:23,080 --> 00:33:23,600
Speaker 4: will just come.

646
00:33:23,480 --> 00:33:25,760
Speaker 5: In and be like hey, hey guys, and we're like, hey,

647
00:33:25,840 --> 00:33:28,200
Speaker 5: how you doing? Like I'm not doing verty good. I'm

648
00:33:28,800 --> 00:33:31,040
Speaker 5: my kids are terrified. I'm terrified. We don't know what's

649
00:33:31,040 --> 00:33:33,240
Speaker 5: going on. Is there any way can you tell me

650
00:33:33,280 --> 00:33:36,240
Speaker 5: what's happening? And it hurts my heart? Heidi, I say no,

651
00:33:36,320 --> 00:33:37,880
Speaker 5: I can't. I wish, I wish.

652
00:33:37,920 --> 00:33:41,120
Speaker 4: I wish so bad, every every part of me, which

653
00:33:41,160 --> 00:33:43,120
Speaker 4: is so bad, Like I get emotional about it because

654
00:33:43,800 --> 00:33:46,000
Speaker 4: you know, there's people out here just getting terrified. They

655
00:33:46,040 --> 00:33:47,440
Speaker 4: don't know what's happening to them. They're just trying to

656
00:33:47,440 --> 00:33:49,440
Speaker 4: live their lives, and they come in these rooms and

657
00:33:49,720 --> 00:33:52,760
Speaker 4: but what you can do is do solid, good research

658
00:33:52,840 --> 00:33:54,640
Speaker 4: and point them in that direction so they don't end up,

659
00:33:54,680 --> 00:33:57,240
Speaker 4: you know, in like the David Wilcoxes and things like that. Right,

660
00:33:57,320 --> 00:34:00,880
Speaker 4: So actual research and actual science and and actual like

661
00:34:00,960 --> 00:34:03,240
Speaker 4: teachings and you know, whatever it is, that's it's at

662
00:34:03,280 --> 00:34:05,840
Speaker 4: least helpful, you know, you know what I mean, Like,

663
00:34:06,480 --> 00:34:08,279
Speaker 4: I can't tell them what's happening. I can't tell them

664
00:34:08,280 --> 00:34:10,400
Speaker 4: why plates are lifting levitating across their room, or I

665
00:34:10,440 --> 00:34:12,200
Speaker 4: can't tell them while they're having this horrible dreams or

666
00:34:12,200 --> 00:34:14,399
Speaker 4: something's attacking them. But what I can do is try

667
00:34:14,440 --> 00:34:16,920
Speaker 4: to give them the sources that I've vetted myself and

668
00:34:16,960 --> 00:34:18,839
Speaker 4: if they trust me and maybe it'll help. Right, That's

669
00:34:18,880 --> 00:34:20,600
Speaker 4: that's like the best we can offer. And if anyone

670
00:34:20,640 --> 00:34:22,759
Speaker 4: says they can offer more than that, I think they're lying.

671
00:34:24,040 --> 00:34:26,359
Speaker 3: You know what. I don't know what you're talking about.

672
00:34:26,440 --> 00:34:28,160
Speaker 3: You get those emails in the middle of the night,

673
00:34:28,880 --> 00:34:30,799
Speaker 3: as I do for myself, and I'm sitting there, you know,

674
00:34:30,880 --> 00:34:33,239
Speaker 3: tears come down. I'm like, you know, especially when it

675
00:34:33,239 --> 00:34:35,560
Speaker 3: comes to the kids that are experiencing things and oh yeah,

676
00:34:35,880 --> 00:34:38,399
Speaker 3: and it's like, man, you know, you just you wish

677
00:34:38,440 --> 00:34:40,520
Speaker 3: you could fully reach out and go sit down there

678
00:34:40,560 --> 00:34:42,480
Speaker 3: and have a cup of coffee or something with them

679
00:34:42,520 --> 00:34:44,719
Speaker 3: and say, look, I get it, you know, let's let's

680
00:34:44,760 --> 00:34:46,160
Speaker 3: try to put our heads together over.

681
00:34:46,239 --> 00:34:47,880
Speaker 4: You wish you could just bust into their house with

682
00:34:47,880 --> 00:34:50,319
Speaker 4: a proton pack from Ghostbusters and start firing it off.

683
00:34:50,840 --> 00:34:52,680
Speaker 4: But you can't, you know, like that's I have a

684
00:34:52,680 --> 00:34:54,719
Speaker 4: Ghostbuster's tattoo in my right arm. I've had it long

685
00:34:54,760 --> 00:34:56,160
Speaker 4: before any of this happened to me. I love that

686
00:34:56,239 --> 00:34:58,520
Speaker 4: I addressed with the Ghostbuster a kid. But if there was

687
00:34:58,560 --> 00:35:00,520
Speaker 4: a way that I could put on put on pro Compact,

688
00:35:00,600 --> 00:35:03,360
Speaker 4: kick the door, and I would. But unfortunately we're not

689
00:35:03,440 --> 00:35:05,960
Speaker 4: there yet. Hopefully one day, yeah, one day.

690
00:35:06,080 --> 00:35:08,000
Speaker 3: Well, you know what, I believe in the power of

691
00:35:08,000 --> 00:35:09,480
Speaker 3: prayer and you can send that anywhere.

692
00:35:09,760 --> 00:35:12,279
Speaker 4: So that's right, that's right.

693
00:35:12,480 --> 00:35:14,239
Speaker 3: So you've had an interest in these topics for a

694
00:35:14,239 --> 00:35:16,840
Speaker 3: long time beyond or was it just for entertainment?

695
00:35:17,440 --> 00:35:19,320
Speaker 4: It was just it was simply for entertainment. I you know,

696
00:35:19,360 --> 00:35:21,239
Speaker 4: I used to watch Ancient Aliens with a friend of

697
00:35:21,239 --> 00:35:23,040
Speaker 4: mine and I would just laugh and laugh and laugh.

698
00:35:23,080 --> 00:35:25,200
Speaker 4: Ancient Aliens is funny even to me now, especially now

699
00:35:25,200 --> 00:35:27,640
Speaker 4: that I know a lot more. But there's still a

700
00:35:27,640 --> 00:35:30,000
Speaker 4: lot of real stuff on there, you know, ancient archaeology.

701
00:35:30,280 --> 00:35:32,200
Speaker 4: It fascinates me. I have a big love for the

702
00:35:32,320 --> 00:35:34,680
Speaker 4: Arc of the Covenant. I think, you know, it's real.

703
00:35:34,800 --> 00:35:36,520
Speaker 4: I think it still exists, you know, it's just like

704
00:35:36,600 --> 00:35:38,399
Speaker 4: all things that this is like my side hobby from

705
00:35:38,400 --> 00:35:40,640
Speaker 4: Theuofology writers with the Arc Covenant. It's a big joke,

706
00:35:41,360 --> 00:35:43,680
Speaker 4: you know. Me, I have a Walrus profile picture and

707
00:35:43,680 --> 00:35:47,040
Speaker 4: I change it all the time. Yeah, and my friend

708
00:35:47,120 --> 00:35:49,440
Speaker 4: Official tyf Tastic, she makes my Walruses for me. And

709
00:35:49,440 --> 00:35:51,280
Speaker 4: there's always an ark of the Covenant in the background

710
00:35:51,320 --> 00:35:53,920
Speaker 4: every time. And I try to keep it funny. You

711
00:35:53,960 --> 00:35:56,080
Speaker 4: try to keep it light. But when people come in

712
00:35:56,480 --> 00:35:58,920
Speaker 4: or we start talking seriously, you know, I do like

713
00:35:59,080 --> 00:36:02,040
Speaker 4: I go for or I don't sugarcoat anything, tell you

714
00:36:02,080 --> 00:36:03,680
Speaker 4: how I think it, what I feel, how I feel

715
00:36:03,680 --> 00:36:06,200
Speaker 4: about it, and just try to steer people in a

716
00:36:06,520 --> 00:36:09,160
Speaker 4: direction of their own self research. Really, but I think

717
00:36:09,200 --> 00:36:12,239
Speaker 4: spaces offer that, you know, you can come in have

718
00:36:12,280 --> 00:36:14,239
Speaker 4: a conversation. Yes, someone's gonna come up and tell you

719
00:36:14,239 --> 00:36:16,400
Speaker 4: about the Anonachy or the Nephiline, which if you've been

720
00:36:16,400 --> 00:36:18,279
Speaker 4: in eupology forever and you've heard all of that one

721
00:36:18,320 --> 00:36:20,400
Speaker 4: hundred times over, and when it comes to the Antonochy,

722
00:36:20,480 --> 00:36:22,640
Speaker 4: I say, showed me what tablet their Antonochy you're on.

723
00:36:22,719 --> 00:36:25,719
Speaker 4: But that's a totally different argument. But but that being said,

724
00:36:25,719 --> 00:36:27,200
Speaker 4: you can still listen to them and try to grow.

725
00:36:27,239 --> 00:36:29,640
Speaker 4: There have been many, many times where I have been

726
00:36:29,680 --> 00:36:32,319
Speaker 4: off and someone has helped me find the right path

727
00:36:32,400 --> 00:36:34,320
Speaker 4: because you have to be open to that. You believe

728
00:36:34,320 --> 00:36:36,040
Speaker 4: in you in what your research, and put your foot down.

729
00:36:36,080 --> 00:36:37,839
Speaker 4: But don't be believed so hard that you can't grow.

730
00:36:38,080 --> 00:36:38,239
Speaker 5: Right.

731
00:36:38,920 --> 00:36:41,640
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, Yeah, there's a lot of strange ego out

732
00:36:41,640 --> 00:36:43,640
Speaker 3: there in these odd fields. I mean, you would think that,

733
00:36:44,560 --> 00:36:46,719
Speaker 3: you know, and we got enough people against us, we'd

734
00:36:46,719 --> 00:36:51,359
Speaker 3: all shake hands across the board, you know, from paranormal, cryptozoological,

735
00:36:52,280 --> 00:36:55,359
Speaker 3: you know, upology. But no, no, no, there's a lot

736
00:36:55,360 --> 00:36:58,600
Speaker 3: of competition for some reason. I'm like, I don't get it.

737
00:36:58,600 --> 00:37:00,440
Speaker 4: It's like, let's see, yeah, you know, you got these

738
00:37:00,480 --> 00:37:03,120
Speaker 4: guys go into these conventions making you know, all this

739
00:37:03,200 --> 00:37:05,560
Speaker 4: money and stuff, and they're just they're rehashing stories from

740
00:37:05,560 --> 00:37:08,040
Speaker 4: people that are in my spaces. You know what I mean,

741
00:37:08,080 --> 00:37:09,279
Speaker 4: you know what you know what I'm talking about?

742
00:37:09,320 --> 00:37:10,759
Speaker 3: I do, Yeah, I know.

743
00:37:11,040 --> 00:37:13,560
Speaker 4: It's it's bull crap. You know, we have people coming

744
00:37:13,600 --> 00:37:15,640
Speaker 4: in here that have they'll tell you, like, you know,

745
00:37:15,680 --> 00:37:18,080
Speaker 4: you'll meet people in spaces that you know, people hold

746
00:37:18,120 --> 00:37:20,600
Speaker 4: up these heroes and upology, and there are a lot

747
00:37:20,640 --> 00:37:23,400
Speaker 4: of good heroes in there, Richard Dolan, like, Carl's a

748
00:37:23,400 --> 00:37:27,920
Speaker 4: big one of mine, Carl the Crusher, And they're great people.

749
00:37:27,960 --> 00:37:29,640
Speaker 4: But when you get to talk to the just regular people,

750
00:37:29,719 --> 00:37:31,120
Speaker 4: right so, it doesn't make them any different than the

751
00:37:31,120 --> 00:37:33,719
Speaker 4: people that join my spaces, right so, and especially when

752
00:37:33,719 --> 00:37:35,600
Speaker 4: they're seeking answers and you're like, okay, well, you know,

753
00:37:35,640 --> 00:37:37,719
Speaker 4: Stafe came around and learn and listen and talk and

754
00:37:37,960 --> 00:37:40,120
Speaker 4: you know, and it's great. I love it. I love

755
00:37:40,160 --> 00:37:40,960
Speaker 4: spaces so much.

756
00:37:41,360 --> 00:37:43,360
Speaker 3: Well, we got to get to our next break. You guys,

757
00:37:43,400 --> 00:37:46,520
Speaker 3: you are listening to Darkly Comes Late with me Heidi

758
00:37:46,600 --> 00:37:50,520
Speaker 3: Hollis on the iHeartRadio and Coast to Coast a AM

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00:37:50,840 --> 00:38:06,359
Speaker 3: Paranormal Podcast Network. Welcome back. You are listening to dark

760
00:38:06,440 --> 00:38:09,800
Speaker 3: to Come Light with me Heidi Hollis on the iHeart

761
00:38:09,880 --> 00:38:14,920
Speaker 3: Radio and Coast to Coast i AM Paranormal Podcast Network.

762
00:38:15,640 --> 00:38:18,640
Speaker 3: All right, well, we are having a good time here.

763
00:38:18,719 --> 00:38:22,920
Speaker 3: We're speaking with Shane Mancrella and you know, we just

764
00:38:23,000 --> 00:38:26,920
Speaker 3: had a recent UAP Senate hearing and I know that

765
00:38:27,000 --> 00:38:30,480
Speaker 3: you're absolutely got your thumb on it, and I want

766
00:38:30,480 --> 00:38:32,759
Speaker 3: to hear what your thoughts are and what they're discussing

767
00:38:32,760 --> 00:38:33,440
Speaker 3: out there in the.

768
00:38:33,360 --> 00:38:38,640
Speaker 4: Spaces yeah, so I'm getting a bit of So as

769
00:38:38,640 --> 00:38:41,480
Speaker 4: far as the spaces go, I'm getting a lot of

770
00:38:42,800 --> 00:38:45,399
Speaker 4: people that are upset. A lot of some people are

771
00:38:45,440 --> 00:38:49,000
Speaker 4: like apathetic about it. It's just a mixed bag and

772
00:38:49,040 --> 00:38:51,399
Speaker 4: everyone's like, yo. You know, they showed that that org video,

773
00:38:51,440 --> 00:38:53,920
Speaker 4: the bet sphere video or the Moses sphere, whatever we

774
00:38:53,960 --> 00:38:57,440
Speaker 4: want to call it, and it was cool. You know,

775
00:38:57,480 --> 00:38:59,359
Speaker 4: I didn't expect anything from it. I mean, they've been

776
00:38:59,360 --> 00:39:02,160
Speaker 4: doing this for what eighty years? They Georgia Damski went

777
00:39:02,160 --> 00:39:04,359
Speaker 4: before the Senate and you know, you got a dude

778
00:39:04,360 --> 00:39:06,840
Speaker 4: out here, like if you follow the dam damp skiin narrative,

779
00:39:07,120 --> 00:39:09,920
Speaker 4: he was literally talking to Venusians every day and nothing

780
00:39:09,960 --> 00:39:11,560
Speaker 4: happened then, So I mean, I don't know what's gonna

781
00:39:11,560 --> 00:39:13,399
Speaker 4: happen now. Honestly, I like the data that they came

782
00:39:13,400 --> 00:39:15,719
Speaker 4: out with where it showed where where the UAPs were

783
00:39:15,719 --> 00:39:17,800
Speaker 4: in the world. But then I questioned why the Panama

784
00:39:17,800 --> 00:39:20,000
Speaker 4: Canal wasn't on there, and I look at it, Hi,

785
00:39:20,000 --> 00:39:22,000
Speaker 4: I'm like, well, that's weird, you know, because all of

786
00:39:22,040 --> 00:39:25,360
Speaker 4: South America is supposedly just if you listen to Mulsan,

787
00:39:25,440 --> 00:39:27,480
Speaker 4: they're just filled with euphos, right, although Misson's a whole

788
00:39:27,480 --> 00:39:30,919
Speaker 4: different bag. But uh, it's that was kind of odd.

789
00:39:30,960 --> 00:39:33,680
Speaker 4: And I think if you know Kirkpatrick, you know, we

790
00:39:33,680 --> 00:39:35,799
Speaker 4: don't know a lot about him. I don't specifically because

791
00:39:36,120 --> 00:39:37,759
Speaker 4: the political side of it, I've just kind of given

792
00:39:37,840 --> 00:39:40,120
Speaker 4: up on. I love I like Stephen Bassett because he

793
00:39:40,120 --> 00:39:42,680
Speaker 4: gets mad about it. And there's you know, there's a

794
00:39:42,680 --> 00:39:45,200
Speaker 4: guy named Brian Johnson that does spaces and and he'll

795
00:39:45,239 --> 00:39:47,640
Speaker 4: go on and on politically, So if I need that fix,

796
00:39:47,680 --> 00:39:50,360
Speaker 4: I'll go listen to him and get caught up. But

797
00:39:50,400 --> 00:39:53,400
Speaker 4: for me personally, someone who has had an experience and

798
00:39:53,440 --> 00:39:55,879
Speaker 4: talks to people who've had experiences all day, I don't

799
00:39:55,880 --> 00:39:58,359
Speaker 4: think like the government, especially with the way the world.

800
00:39:58,400 --> 00:40:01,200
Speaker 4: The world is going now, so we could possibly go

801
00:40:01,400 --> 00:40:03,360
Speaker 4: be going to war with other countries, you know, China,

802
00:40:03,440 --> 00:40:06,760
Speaker 4: God forbid, God forbid. But why would you wheel out

803
00:40:07,120 --> 00:40:10,520
Speaker 4: like this extravagant technology when there's still all this war

804
00:40:10,560 --> 00:40:12,520
Speaker 4: going on. You're never going to pull that out because

805
00:40:12,520 --> 00:40:14,560
Speaker 4: then your your enemies are going to do that, and

806
00:40:15,600 --> 00:40:18,160
Speaker 4: there's no reason to do that, you know. And as

807
00:40:18,200 --> 00:40:20,359
Speaker 4: far as the United States is concerned, you know, we

808
00:40:20,400 --> 00:40:23,120
Speaker 4: had the SR seventy one Blackbird in nineteen sixty three.

809
00:40:23,320 --> 00:40:25,680
Speaker 4: In the sixties, it flew twenty two hundred miles an hour.

810
00:40:26,080 --> 00:40:28,799
Speaker 4: And then you know, the stuff that we see now,

811
00:40:28,880 --> 00:40:31,960
Speaker 4: I'm convinced is there's way more advanced craft that we've

812
00:40:32,000 --> 00:40:34,920
Speaker 4: made just from mankind. They're not going to show you

813
00:40:34,960 --> 00:40:36,400
Speaker 4: that either. So they're definitely not going to show you

814
00:40:36,400 --> 00:40:37,480
Speaker 4: the aliens, right.

815
00:40:37,360 --> 00:40:40,840
Speaker 3: Right, right right. You know, my father was in the

816
00:40:40,880 --> 00:40:43,360
Speaker 3: Air Force and he said, let me tell you anything

817
00:40:43,400 --> 00:40:46,799
Speaker 3: that you see the government or military has released that

818
00:40:46,920 --> 00:40:50,120
Speaker 3: it's at least twenty years old, at the minimum twenty

819
00:40:50,239 --> 00:40:52,840
Speaker 3: years old. He's like, they've got so much stuff you

820
00:40:52,880 --> 00:40:56,760
Speaker 3: just wouldn't believe it. But you know, at the hearing,

821
00:40:56,960 --> 00:41:01,160
Speaker 3: doctor Sean Kirkpatrick said, you know, has found no credible

822
00:41:01,200 --> 00:41:05,480
Speaker 3: evidence thus far of extraterrestrial activity off world technology or

823
00:41:05,520 --> 00:41:09,480
Speaker 3: objects that defy the known laws of physics. And I

824
00:41:09,520 --> 00:41:12,080
Speaker 3: beg to differ. And you know, a lot of people

825
00:41:12,080 --> 00:41:15,319
Speaker 3: are putting a lot of stake and trust into our

826
00:41:15,440 --> 00:41:18,440
Speaker 3: government gonna do the right thing when it comes to this,

827
00:41:18,719 --> 00:41:21,840
Speaker 3: And I'm like, right there, that statement right there tells

828
00:41:21,880 --> 00:41:24,319
Speaker 3: you they are not going to come clean. I mean,

829
00:41:24,360 --> 00:41:26,120
Speaker 3: how'd you feel about that when he said.

830
00:41:25,960 --> 00:41:30,280
Speaker 4: That, Yeah, so Kirkpatrick especially isn't going to tell you anything.

831
00:41:30,840 --> 00:41:33,400
Speaker 4: I mean, they're just not. They're just not. And you

832
00:41:33,440 --> 00:41:36,480
Speaker 4: know one day they're gonna get it for line under

833
00:41:36,480 --> 00:41:39,319
Speaker 4: oath so much. But a Liza lie whether you put

834
00:41:39,320 --> 00:41:41,239
Speaker 4: your hand on a book or not. You know, if

835
00:41:41,239 --> 00:41:43,040
Speaker 4: you don't care about that book, you're just gonna lie

836
00:41:43,040 --> 00:41:45,400
Speaker 4: thro your teeth anyway. If you know, if your bosses

837
00:41:45,440 --> 00:41:48,160
Speaker 4: are telling you, if you say one single thing, it's

838
00:41:48,200 --> 00:41:51,799
Speaker 4: over for you body, no pension, no nothing, You're not

839
00:41:51,840 --> 00:41:54,399
Speaker 4: going to say anything. You're gonna keep your mouth shut

840
00:41:54,480 --> 00:41:56,600
Speaker 4: and say we've had no signs of this. We need

841
00:41:56,640 --> 00:41:59,280
Speaker 4: more money. We always need more money. We need more money,

842
00:41:59,360 --> 00:42:01,839
Speaker 4: We need more money. You know, Bigelow needed more money

843
00:42:01,840 --> 00:42:03,879
Speaker 4: for skim Walker Ranch and Chris Bartel wandered out there

844
00:42:03,880 --> 00:42:06,680
Speaker 4: by himself half the time trying to you know, take

845
00:42:06,719 --> 00:42:08,759
Speaker 4: on the you know, twenty two million dollars and they

846
00:42:08,760 --> 00:42:10,759
Speaker 4: went straight to scientist's pockets. It didn't go any too

847
00:42:10,800 --> 00:42:13,600
Speaker 4: any research out there. And that's why Figel has inherited

848
00:42:13,640 --> 00:42:16,799
Speaker 4: such a nasty problem with that Ranch is you know,

849
00:42:16,800 --> 00:42:20,000
Speaker 4: he got no information from Bigelow at all, whatsoever. All

850
00:42:20,120 --> 00:42:23,879
Speaker 4: they got was Bartel and that's the whole thing about

851
00:42:23,920 --> 00:42:26,439
Speaker 4: this government aspect. Man, Like how put off Kit Green

852
00:42:26,440 --> 00:42:28,600
Speaker 4: and these guys. You know they did the remote viewing,

853
00:42:28,600 --> 00:42:31,000
Speaker 4: started remote viewing and all that. That's great, they also

854
00:42:31,040 --> 00:42:34,520
Speaker 4: did some really shady stuff behind the scenes, and the

855
00:42:34,560 --> 00:42:38,640
Speaker 4: government doesn't in my opinion, we're just the people that

856
00:42:38,680 --> 00:42:41,560
Speaker 4: are here. They think they're the ones doing everything they

857
00:42:41,560 --> 00:42:45,160
Speaker 4: are because we let them. I don't know what we're

858
00:42:45,160 --> 00:42:49,120
Speaker 4: gonna do, Heidi, I really don't, But what I think

859
00:42:49,200 --> 00:42:51,919
Speaker 4: at least should happen is people if you have something

860
00:42:51,920 --> 00:42:53,520
Speaker 4: happened to you, because it's hard if you don't. It's

861
00:42:53,560 --> 00:42:54,919
Speaker 4: hard if you don't have any skin in the game.

862
00:42:55,040 --> 00:42:58,000
Speaker 4: It really is. And God God bless the people that

863
00:42:58,480 --> 00:43:00,680
Speaker 4: haven't had any experience but still try to believe people

864
00:43:00,680 --> 00:43:02,399
Speaker 4: when they say they do, because we need more of that.

865
00:43:02,800 --> 00:43:05,240
Speaker 4: Not to believe everybody blindly, but at least to be open.

866
00:43:06,360 --> 00:43:09,080
Speaker 4: And you're gonna have to do your own research. And

867
00:43:09,120 --> 00:43:11,360
Speaker 4: you know, if you can say I get a vacation,

868
00:43:11,480 --> 00:43:13,719
Speaker 4: maybe go out for a weekend somewhere, you know, call

869
00:43:13,840 --> 00:43:15,520
Speaker 4: Carl the Crusher and go out on a trip with

870
00:43:15,600 --> 00:43:18,000
Speaker 4: him and see the native land and see see the

871
00:43:18,000 --> 00:43:20,520
Speaker 4: Petrick lifts, and and learn, or go to a reservation

872
00:43:20,600 --> 00:43:22,440
Speaker 4: and just learn from the elders and learn about their

873
00:43:22,480 --> 00:43:26,200
Speaker 4: aspect of the land. Right, So the government isn't gonna

874
00:43:26,200 --> 00:43:29,080
Speaker 4: tell you anything, especially on the brink of war. There's

875
00:43:29,080 --> 00:43:31,600
Speaker 4: no way there's already a war going on. So they're

876
00:43:31,600 --> 00:43:33,120
Speaker 4: not gonna they're not gonna sell it, they're not gonna

877
00:43:33,120 --> 00:43:36,480
Speaker 4: say anything. I just Kirkpatrick, Kirkpatrick, especially because he's he's

878
00:43:36,480 --> 00:43:39,120
Speaker 4: so mixed into everything. He's mixed into skinwalk, a ranch,

879
00:43:39,160 --> 00:43:40,799
Speaker 4: he's mixed into everything. I just don't think he's gonna

880
00:43:40,800 --> 00:43:43,640
Speaker 4: say anything, you know. And he's got all these whistleblowers,

881
00:43:43,880 --> 00:43:47,360
Speaker 4: uh there, So you know, my friend Thomas Thompson. Uh,

882
00:43:47,400 --> 00:43:50,160
Speaker 4: Thomas Thompson said, uh, you know, the whistleblowers are coming in,

883
00:43:50,320 --> 00:43:53,400
Speaker 4: you know what, I hope, so we'll see.

884
00:43:53,840 --> 00:43:57,040
Speaker 3: Yeah, but you know, I've heard the other end of that.

885
00:43:57,120 --> 00:44:00,120
Speaker 3: It's like, yeah, whistle blowers come step forward all of

886
00:44:00,160 --> 00:44:01,880
Speaker 3: a sudden, they're going to lose all their credentials, of

887
00:44:01,880 --> 00:44:05,560
Speaker 3: their credibility, you know, and have a lot of unfortunate luck.

888
00:44:06,480 --> 00:44:09,319
Speaker 3: So there's a I don't know, it's like hard to

889
00:44:09,360 --> 00:44:12,720
Speaker 3: trust the whole thing. And I'm all about the people

890
00:44:12,880 --> 00:44:15,560
Speaker 3: the grassroots people that have been really sticking their necks

891
00:44:15,560 --> 00:44:18,480
Speaker 3: out there for so long. I trust them more than

892
00:44:18,520 --> 00:44:22,200
Speaker 3: I trust these former agents that are suddenly finding a

893
00:44:22,320 --> 00:44:25,080
Speaker 3: voice in this field that they poo pooed for so long.

894
00:44:25,520 --> 00:44:28,040
Speaker 3: So it's it's hard, it's really hard to trust. I'm

895
00:44:28,080 --> 00:44:31,080
Speaker 3: glad the conversation's happening, I can't say that I'm not.

896
00:44:31,239 --> 00:44:34,480
Speaker 3: I'm very glad about that. But you know, if you're

897
00:44:34,520 --> 00:44:36,680
Speaker 3: going to take a step forward, you know, put the

898
00:44:36,680 --> 00:44:38,880
Speaker 3: other foot next to it and stand strong.

899
00:44:39,520 --> 00:44:42,440
Speaker 4: Yeah, and you afology if you have to put your

900
00:44:42,480 --> 00:44:44,200
Speaker 4: foot down. You have to put your foot down and

901
00:44:44,239 --> 00:44:47,200
Speaker 4: follow a path. A lot of people don't and they'll

902
00:44:47,239 --> 00:44:49,279
Speaker 4: they'll go wishy washy with it, and you got to

903
00:44:49,360 --> 00:44:50,640
Speaker 4: just stick to it. And if you get to the

904
00:44:50,719 --> 00:44:53,000
Speaker 4: end of that road and that truth isn't what she

905
00:44:53,080 --> 00:44:56,040
Speaker 4: wanted to be, that's okay. You still found the truth.

906
00:44:56,120 --> 00:44:59,000
Speaker 4: It may not be aliens, it may not be ultra terrestrials.

907
00:44:59,040 --> 00:45:01,240
Speaker 4: It may be something totally different that can manifest itself

908
00:45:01,239 --> 00:45:03,799
Speaker 4: in any way at once. It's outside of our comprehension,

909
00:45:03,800 --> 00:45:07,080
Speaker 4: whatever it is our current in my opinion, and there

910
00:45:07,080 --> 00:45:09,000
Speaker 4: may be alien craft, there may not be but we

911
00:45:09,080 --> 00:45:11,320
Speaker 4: just need to go and find the truth. I don't care.

912
00:45:11,640 --> 00:45:13,960
Speaker 4: I don't, I don't. I really, I'm getting really tired

913
00:45:14,080 --> 00:45:17,400
Speaker 4: of the drifting. I'm getting tired of just people steering

914
00:45:17,440 --> 00:45:20,400
Speaker 4: innocent humans who are looking for spiritual answers on these

915
00:45:20,400 --> 00:45:23,879
Speaker 4: wrong paths, like for personal gain. It's okay to make

916
00:45:23,920 --> 00:45:25,880
Speaker 4: money doing something you love, but it's something else to

917
00:45:25,920 --> 00:45:28,879
Speaker 4: make money doing something against regular humans, so you can

918
00:45:28,880 --> 00:45:30,840
Speaker 4: gain profit for no reason. Like sometime it has to

919
00:45:30,880 --> 00:45:32,920
Speaker 4: be enough, right, and that's when we need to come

920
00:45:32,920 --> 00:45:36,120
Speaker 4: together and start doing actual research and going out here,

921
00:45:36,160 --> 00:45:38,800
Speaker 4: and we'll have to find it ourselves. You know, everyone's

922
00:45:38,840 --> 00:45:40,920
Speaker 4: banking on another Phoenix Lights to happen. I probably you know,

923
00:45:40,960 --> 00:45:42,920
Speaker 4: we had Stevensville in two thousand and eight, but you

924
00:45:42,920 --> 00:45:44,640
Speaker 4: know that was basically the Phoenix Lights one hundred and

925
00:45:44,640 --> 00:45:46,520
Speaker 4: twenty one hundred and twenty people, right, and then one

926
00:45:46,600 --> 00:45:49,120
Speaker 4: hundred and twenty or it was one hundred and twenty

927
00:45:49,160 --> 00:45:51,239
Speaker 4: people saw it or were at the MOOF on event, right,

928
00:45:51,320 --> 00:45:55,000
Speaker 4: So that's pretty pretty awesome. But you know, it's just

929
00:45:55,080 --> 00:45:57,360
Speaker 4: ends up on UFO Hunters, the old TV show with

930
00:45:58,080 --> 00:46:00,200
Speaker 4: those guys. So I don't, I don't know. It's not

931
00:46:00,239 --> 00:46:01,560
Speaker 4: going to happen that way. We have to just start

932
00:46:01,560 --> 00:46:03,600
Speaker 4: looking into the sew and I think it's through consciousness,

933
00:46:04,160 --> 00:46:06,120
Speaker 4: through Native American teachings and things like that. And that's

934
00:46:06,120 --> 00:46:08,080
Speaker 4: why I'm focusing more on that now instead of so

935
00:46:08,160 --> 00:46:09,880
Speaker 4: much like hoping I get to see a UFO land

936
00:46:09,880 --> 00:46:11,640
Speaker 4: in my backyard and give me like a you know,

937
00:46:11,680 --> 00:46:14,080
Speaker 4: a saltless waffle cracker, like happened in the Citties.

938
00:46:15,520 --> 00:46:16,920
Speaker 3: Shane, you got away with words.

939
00:46:17,040 --> 00:46:17,239
Speaker 4: You know.

940
00:46:17,360 --> 00:46:20,760
Speaker 3: I would sit UFO days in Wisconsin, said Dundee, Wisconsin.

941
00:46:20,800 --> 00:46:23,759
Speaker 3: And there's probably about fifty sixty of us out there

942
00:46:24,000 --> 00:46:28,279
Speaker 3: taking photos of a really unique craft I means like

943
00:46:28,360 --> 00:46:30,919
Speaker 3: diamond shape, and it tumbled through the sky right over

944
00:46:30,960 --> 00:46:34,600
Speaker 3: our heads, met with one of the typical like spirit

945
00:46:34,680 --> 00:46:38,360
Speaker 3: lights that are seen over there, and we called the news.

946
00:46:38,560 --> 00:46:40,799
Speaker 3: We called the news that do you think they responded?

947
00:46:40,840 --> 00:46:44,400
Speaker 3: Do you think they were nothing? You know, nothing? And

948
00:46:44,440 --> 00:46:46,640
Speaker 3: it's like, you know, how many times is this going

949
00:46:46,719 --> 00:46:49,480
Speaker 3: to happen? And it's like the real stuff is not

950
00:46:49,640 --> 00:46:52,880
Speaker 3: taken seriously, but these little fuzzy tic TACs, you know,

951
00:46:53,000 --> 00:46:56,200
Speaker 3: Oh that's something. I'm glad they put it out there,

952
00:46:56,200 --> 00:46:59,279
Speaker 3: but again, they should just raise the garage door and

953
00:46:59,400 --> 00:47:02,280
Speaker 3: what they've got, because they've got some major stuff already

954
00:47:02,280 --> 00:47:03,040
Speaker 3: that's been huddled in.

955
00:47:03,440 --> 00:47:06,040
Speaker 4: Your tax dollars are paying for something in a shed

956
00:47:06,120 --> 00:47:08,960
Speaker 4: somewhere that we don't know about exactly. That's the problem,

957
00:47:09,040 --> 00:47:10,759
Speaker 4: that's the core problem. I don't care where it's from.

958
00:47:11,080 --> 00:47:13,719
Speaker 4: It can be from Agartha, it can be from you know,

959
00:47:13,760 --> 00:47:15,960
Speaker 4: the monolith on Mars. It can be from underneath the

960
00:47:16,000 --> 00:47:18,839
Speaker 4: Speinkx and be edgucases, you know Atlantean craft. I don't care.

961
00:47:19,360 --> 00:47:21,040
Speaker 4: I would just want to know why my money's paying

962
00:47:21,080 --> 00:47:24,480
Speaker 4: for this, even though I mean literally, like they work

963
00:47:24,560 --> 00:47:27,040
Speaker 4: for us, but they quit working for us obviously a

964
00:47:27,040 --> 00:47:30,520
Speaker 4: long time ago, and money only exists for us. You know,

965
00:47:30,560 --> 00:47:32,800
Speaker 4: everyone's complaining about them firing aside one your missile for

966
00:47:32,800 --> 00:47:34,880
Speaker 4: four hune thousand, or they don't care. They'll fire missiles

967
00:47:34,880 --> 00:47:37,640
Speaker 4: at mountain sides all day long. It doesn't matter to them, no,

968
00:47:38,160 --> 00:47:39,880
Speaker 4: So you got to stop thinking of it like like

969
00:47:39,920 --> 00:47:41,839
Speaker 4: they're just like you. They're not. They're not like you.

970
00:47:42,080 --> 00:47:44,040
Speaker 3: They are not. They've got a lot to lose. They're

971
00:47:44,080 --> 00:47:47,239
Speaker 3: loving living high in the hog and having the technology

972
00:47:47,239 --> 00:47:49,240
Speaker 3: and access to it and being the boss over somebody

973
00:47:49,239 --> 00:47:51,279
Speaker 3: else to say, don't you dare speak butt in your lip?

974
00:47:51,800 --> 00:47:54,840
Speaker 3: So yeah, it's it's crazy, you know. I want people

975
00:47:54,920 --> 00:47:57,480
Speaker 3: to have the opportunity to reach out to you, and

976
00:47:57,840 --> 00:47:59,719
Speaker 3: you know, sit in one of your spaces, so you

977
00:47:59,719 --> 00:48:02,759
Speaker 3: should your Twitter and where you're doing.

978
00:48:02,840 --> 00:48:06,160
Speaker 4: Yeah, I do. My Twitter handle is at Turtle of

979
00:48:06,239 --> 00:48:09,080
Speaker 4: Time one two, and then I also have at UFO

980
00:48:09,200 --> 00:48:11,360
Speaker 4: Intros and that's another show we do where we interview

981
00:48:11,480 --> 00:48:14,120
Speaker 4: like famous people or famous people like Kurt Jai Mungle

982
00:48:14,239 --> 00:48:17,360
Speaker 4: or you know those guys, you know the guys we

983
00:48:17,400 --> 00:48:20,520
Speaker 4: hold up in ufology. And then next week I'm gonna

984
00:48:20,520 --> 00:48:22,520
Speaker 4: be doing some stuff with Steven Cambian at True Seekers.

985
00:48:23,160 --> 00:48:24,600
Speaker 4: So I got a lot of stuff planned. And if

986
00:48:24,600 --> 00:48:26,760
Speaker 4: you you know, follow me. If you see my spaces

987
00:48:26,800 --> 00:48:28,920
Speaker 4: are random, they'll pop up and you can keep up

988
00:48:28,920 --> 00:48:30,800
Speaker 4: through my tweets and you can come in and have

989
00:48:30,840 --> 00:48:32,880
Speaker 4: a chat with me and all my friends anytime. And

990
00:48:32,960 --> 00:48:35,040
Speaker 4: if you disagree with me, even better come in and

991
00:48:35,080 --> 00:48:35,680
Speaker 4: tell me why.

992
00:48:36,360 --> 00:48:39,200
Speaker 3: I love it. I love it. Shane Mancrola, I want

993
00:48:39,200 --> 00:48:40,759
Speaker 3: to thank you so much for coming on. You are

994
00:48:40,760 --> 00:48:43,440
Speaker 3: a unique guy and I'm I'm so glad to know

995
00:48:43,520 --> 00:48:45,160
Speaker 3: you and know that you're out there. I mean it

996
00:48:45,200 --> 00:48:46,040
Speaker 3: gives me new hope.

997
00:48:47,080 --> 00:48:48,920
Speaker 4: No, thank you, thank you so much, hottie.

998
00:48:49,840 --> 00:48:52,319
Speaker 3: Didn't I tell you isn't any fun? I mean, just

999
00:48:52,719 --> 00:48:56,680
Speaker 3: such good energy. Unfortunately we've come to the bottom of

1000
00:48:56,719 --> 00:49:00,000
Speaker 3: another fabulous program. I hope you really enjoyed yourselves, because

1001
00:49:00,200 --> 00:49:03,520
Speaker 3: I know I sure did. And don't forget to Go

1002
00:49:03,719 --> 00:49:07,200
Speaker 3: and check out my main website, which is Heidihollis dot

1003
00:49:07,200 --> 00:49:11,280
Speaker 3: com or Shadowfolks dot com. Go to the Outlanderscomic dot

1004
00:49:11,320 --> 00:49:14,240
Speaker 3: com and you can follow me on social media at

1005
00:49:14,280 --> 00:49:16,520
Speaker 3: one Heidi Hollis. Just put a one in front of

1006
00:49:16,520 --> 00:49:20,680
Speaker 3: my name or the Outlanders Comic. I also have Bigfoot

1007
00:49:20,719 --> 00:49:23,759
Speaker 3: Bits m You can follow that too, because I love

1008
00:49:23,920 --> 00:49:27,160
Speaker 3: doing my paranormal comic strip and it highlights a lot

1009
00:49:27,200 --> 00:49:29,080
Speaker 3: of silly stuff and a lot of true stuff that

1010
00:49:29,120 --> 00:49:32,480
Speaker 3: goes on out there in this crazy world of ours. Man,

1011
00:49:33,120 --> 00:49:36,120
Speaker 3: you know, I gotta I gotta hear more from you

1012
00:49:36,120 --> 00:49:38,680
Speaker 3: guys out there that are experiencing things. Shane took a

1013
00:49:38,680 --> 00:49:40,640
Speaker 3: step forward. If you want to come on this show

1014
00:49:40,680 --> 00:49:44,720
Speaker 3: and share your stories, share your thoughts, your research, whatever

1015
00:49:44,760 --> 00:49:47,560
Speaker 3: you're doing, just tell me about it. Go to my

1016
00:49:47,600 --> 00:49:50,080
Speaker 3: main website. Give me as many details as you can,

1017
00:49:50,160 --> 00:49:54,560
Speaker 3: because I love the details and drawings photos. Write me

1018
00:49:55,200 --> 00:49:57,560
Speaker 3: Heidi Hollis at gmail dot com, Send it to me

1019
00:49:57,920 --> 00:49:59,640
Speaker 3: H E I D I H O L L I

1020
00:49:59,800 --> 00:50:03,920
Speaker 3: S and Wow, Okay, I guess we're gonna trail off.

1021
00:50:03,960 --> 00:50:06,319
Speaker 3: I could talk forever on this stuff. I just love it.

1022
00:50:06,560 --> 00:50:08,759
Speaker 3: You guys, you have been listening to Dark Becomes Light

1023
00:50:08,920 --> 00:50:13,160
Speaker 3: with me Heidi Hollis on the iHeartRadio and Coast to

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Speaker 3: Coast AM Paranormal Podcast Network. We'll see you next time,

1025
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Speaker 3: Stay safer, inviting goodbye.

1026
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1027
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