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Speaker 1: Hi, guys, Nancy Grace here, Welcome back to Killers amongst us,

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Speaker 1: the production of iHeartMedia and Crime Online. Sarah Stern, her

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Speaker 1: car found abandoned late at night on a remote bridge,

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Speaker 1: New Jersey. What you'll hear in this episode is shocking

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Speaker 1: undercover video comes to light. With us again Sarah's dad,

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Speaker 1: Michael Stern, who has fought so much pain to get

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Speaker 1: through this investigation. Also with me, local reporter on the

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Speaker 1: story from the get go, Alex and Poliello with me.

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Speaker 1: Also lead detective on the case, Brian Weisbrott Mama County

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Speaker 1: Prosecutor Christopher GRAMICIONI. Also with us renowned La psychoanalyst doctor

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Speaker 1: Bethany Marshall. Right now, police working under the theories Era

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Speaker 1: did not commit suicide or just run off. That will

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Speaker 1: quickly become a parent as police get a call from

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Speaker 1: a local teen who offers up a suspect on a

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Speaker 1: silver platter. But is it real? Let's pick up the

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Speaker 1: story right now, extend your relationship. I would say, we're

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Speaker 1: pretty close friends. Ever your girlfriend now. Sarah's friends and

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Speaker 1: family portray her as this happy, go lucky girl that

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Speaker 1: never had any reason to say she would hurt herself

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Speaker 1: or hurt someone else, but Liam portrays a different picture.

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Speaker 1: Does she ever talk about like guys or girls? No,

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Speaker 1: she has been known to obsess over girls in the past,

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Speaker 1: though He talks about an ex girlfriend of his, Maggie,

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Speaker 1: who Sarah became obsessed with. She would always say stuff like, Maggie,

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Speaker 1: if you don't come here right now, I'm going to

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Speaker 1: kill myself. During his interview with detectives, Liam also asks

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Speaker 1: them this question, one thing I want to fuck to

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Speaker 1: you guys about by she she did jump off the bridge?

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Speaker 1: What did the odds say? She's not somewhere all the

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Speaker 1: way out? Nancy Grace killers. I'm like Stess, Liam mctasney

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Speaker 1: smiling in Sarah in Michael's face, But what's he doing

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Speaker 1: the rest of the time? Preston Taylor. I can't get

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Speaker 1: a read on Preston Taylor. He seems like the sidekick

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Speaker 1: to Liam mctaznee. So to Detective Brian Weiss, brought you

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Speaker 1: leave with a very uneasy feeling, bad, a bad feeling

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Speaker 1: after you speak to Preston Taylor. Why Well? The information

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Speaker 1: that Preston had provided to us was in essence, completely

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Speaker 1: consistent with what Liam had shared with us, so we

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Speaker 1: were basically left with the same feeling. We didn't know,

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Speaker 1: you know, what happened to Sarah. We didn't know if

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Speaker 1: there was any foul play involved. There were certainly red

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Speaker 1: flags that raised our suspicion, but really really didn't have

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Speaker 1: anything directly in front of us at that point, and

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Speaker 1: our efforts were focused on trying to talk to as

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Speaker 1: main people as we could an effort to find her.

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Speaker 1: Joining me Alex Napoleon, Yellow Crime and Court reporter for

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Speaker 1: Jay dot Com and Star Ledger Alex, how many times

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Speaker 1: have we seen a case or you've covered a case

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Speaker 1: for you just know somebody did it. Let's just take

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Speaker 1: Scott Peterson for example. Okay, we all knew we did it,

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Speaker 1: but there hads to be proof, and then sometimes you're

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Speaker 1: wrong and you get a complete curveball. Have you ever

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Speaker 1: felt that feeling that you know somebody did it, there's

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Speaker 1: just not proof. Yeah, I don't, you know, It's just

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Speaker 1: a feeling you get sometimes when you're covering these cases.

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Speaker 1: From the start, something just doesn't seem right, and although

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Speaker 1: the answer may not be right there in front of

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Speaker 1: family members or people close to the victims, and they

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Speaker 1: start showing strange behaviors, acting, acting strange, maybe not showing

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Speaker 1: you kind of just know that something's not right. And

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Speaker 1: you know, Christopher Gramicione, veteran prosecutor. Defense attorneys will tell

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Speaker 1: you till they're blue in the face, that doesn't prove anything.

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Speaker 1: What they're right and they're wrong, not anything tangible, but humans.

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Speaker 1: This human specie is thousands and thousands and thousands of

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Speaker 1: a feeling that something's wrong but you don't know why.

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Speaker 1: We call it gut feelings, but it's not a gut feeling.

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Speaker 1: It's based on something you're noticing, maybe something imperceptible. What

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Speaker 1: do you make of these two stories, Nancy, I think

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Speaker 1: it's precisely that there are certain things that as humans,

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Speaker 1: things in life that just need detective waste brought pause

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Speaker 1: and say something's not right here, and ultimately need jurors

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Speaker 1: feel the same way. So you're right. I mean, there's

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Speaker 1: different direction, months pass, tick talk, tick talk. Every day

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Speaker 1: out what happened? Where is teen girl Sarah Stern. Every

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Speaker 1: minute that passes, witnesses disappear, witnesses pass away, witnesses go

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Speaker 1: Napoliello and I were talking a curveball, I didn't know

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Speaker 1: where believe it or not a film director in than

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Speaker 1: he was desperate for some parental advice. His name was

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Speaker 1: Anthony Curry. He was nineteen years old, a high school

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Speaker 1: classmate of Sarah's who'd moved to New York to fulfill

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Speaker 1: he called Detective Mike Bonano, Land of the family. Very

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Speaker 1: concerned that he had some information on this what may

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Speaker 1: have happened to Sarah? I was shocked. Detectives met with

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Speaker 1: Anthony and his dad. The young man told them about

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Speaker 1: a spooky conversation with a mutual friend of his and Sarah's.

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Speaker 1: It took place on Thanksgiving evening, he said, eight days

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Speaker 1: before Sarah vanished. The friend told Anthony a horrifying tale

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Speaker 1: You're hearing from our friends at Dateline NBC. Okay, so now,

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Speaker 1: Christopher GRAMICIONI Detective Brian Wise brought now you're in a

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Speaker 1: conundrum because here's a kid that shows up. He wants

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Speaker 1: believe him? What about a detective? We absolutely believed Anthony Cary.

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Speaker 1: and getting communication with him constantly since Sarah's disappearance. And

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Speaker 1: once we get spoken with him, obviously the first our

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Speaker 1: first step was to determine how we were going to

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Speaker 1: aspiring film director, to get wired listen, Anthony did get

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Speaker 1: But if their suspect was a killer, what might you

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Speaker 1: do to Anthony? If he suspected a trap? So they

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Speaker 1: It was Liam Mackatasny, Sarah's friend, the guy who'd spent

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Speaker 1: Chris Grmicioni County prosecutor. You know you and I are

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Speaker 1: It just became hopelessness after a while. And I have

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Speaker 1: it's very sad and disheartening and it hurts every day.

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Speaker 1: To Michael Stern, Sarah's dad, Sarah is everything I would

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Speaker 1: want my child to be. She's not just beautiful on

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Speaker 1: That comes from a dad who took over when mom

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Speaker 1: right now, Sarah is listening to us. I just feel it,

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Speaker 1: I hope. So when you talk to Sarah, when you

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Speaker 1: speak out to her, what do you say? Just tell

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Speaker 1: her I miss her every day how much I love them. Now,

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Speaker 1: what's your message to parents listening right now? Millions of

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Speaker 1: to be very careful who your friends are. Watch your children,

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Speaker 1: be careful who they're with, and find out as much

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Speaker 1: because it's it can happen to anybody. This is just

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Speaker 1: And you should really evaluate the people around you and

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Speaker 1: be very cautious. A harsh message but true, and I'm

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Speaker 1: taking your words to heart. Michael Stern. Michael Stern, Alex Napoliello,

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Speaker 1: doctor Daniel Boberg detective wife brought Christopher CAMICIONI thank you

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Speaker 1: for being with us. Goodbye friend,