1 00:00:05,080 --> 00:00:08,880 Speaker 1: Ten, ten whole episodes of Cardinal Territory and Trevor and 2 00:00:08,920 --> 00:00:11,520 Speaker 1: I have not been canceled yet, so let's keep it 3 00:00:11,600 --> 00:00:15,600 Speaker 1: going and welcome back to the show. We are recording 4 00:00:15,640 --> 00:00:19,119 Speaker 1: this on Monday, January twentieth, fresh off the three day 5 00:00:19,160 --> 00:00:22,680 Speaker 1: adventure that is Winter Warm Up. Trevor, how was your 6 00:00:22,720 --> 00:00:25,239 Speaker 1: experience being back at Bush Stadium, Katie? 7 00:00:25,320 --> 00:00:29,640 Speaker 2: I pumped up. It was so great and the exact 8 00:00:29,720 --> 00:00:32,400 Speaker 2: opposite of being canceled. I know, you had people come 9 00:00:32,479 --> 00:00:34,040 Speaker 2: up to you. I had people come up to me 10 00:00:34,200 --> 00:00:38,560 Speaker 2: today this morning telling me that they enjoyed our podcast, 11 00:00:38,600 --> 00:00:43,239 Speaker 2: our show. So yeah, I'm I couldn't be better, Like, 12 00:00:43,479 --> 00:00:45,080 Speaker 2: I had a really good time. What about you? 13 00:00:45,600 --> 00:00:48,240 Speaker 1: Yeah, Seamen. You know, we're just walking through Ballpark Village 14 00:00:49,159 --> 00:00:51,160 Speaker 1: have some fans stop and said they love the show, 15 00:00:51,200 --> 00:00:56,240 Speaker 1: and I was like, mine, I'm sure. So it's awesome. 16 00:00:56,240 --> 00:00:56,440 Speaker 2: I know. 17 00:00:56,480 --> 00:00:58,280 Speaker 1: We talked about it a lot that early fan support 18 00:00:58,360 --> 00:01:01,880 Speaker 1: has helped us and hasn't been easy to start a 19 00:01:01,920 --> 00:01:05,680 Speaker 1: show in what has been probably the most inactive period 20 00:01:05,800 --> 00:01:09,080 Speaker 1: in Cardinals history in the last ten years. But hey, 21 00:01:09,200 --> 00:01:12,200 Speaker 1: we're doing it and we actually have new things to 22 00:01:12,319 --> 00:01:16,680 Speaker 1: talk about. A lot went down at Winter warmups. So 23 00:01:17,160 --> 00:01:20,720 Speaker 1: from John Mozaelak speaking about the Nolan Arnatto's trade no 24 00:01:20,880 --> 00:01:25,319 Speaker 1: trade maybe situation on Saturday, Sonny Gray, I thought was fantastic. 25 00:01:25,319 --> 00:01:26,840 Speaker 1: If you have not listened to what he had to 26 00:01:26,840 --> 00:01:29,000 Speaker 1: say about why he came back to Saint Louis and 27 00:01:30,040 --> 00:01:32,760 Speaker 1: making sure everyone's going in one direction. That was a 28 00:01:32,760 --> 00:01:36,360 Speaker 1: great press conference on Saturday. Brendan Donovan, Mason, Wynn Jordan 29 00:01:36,480 --> 00:01:39,600 Speaker 1: Walker was awesome. And then we heard from Ollie Marmel 30 00:01:39,680 --> 00:01:41,800 Speaker 1: and both build with Junior and build with the third 31 00:01:41,920 --> 00:01:44,920 Speaker 1: today and I thought, you know, everyone said what they 32 00:01:45,000 --> 00:01:48,840 Speaker 1: needed to and I thought everyone was pretty transparent. But 33 00:01:48,960 --> 00:01:53,040 Speaker 1: my big takeaway from the thirty plus interviews we did 34 00:01:53,040 --> 00:01:56,480 Speaker 1: over the last three days was that the Cardinals finally 35 00:01:56,560 --> 00:02:01,040 Speaker 1: have a direction and they're committing to it. And most notably, 36 00:02:01,080 --> 00:02:05,240 Speaker 1: the biggest change from October to January is everyone seems 37 00:02:05,240 --> 00:02:08,240 Speaker 1: to be on board, from ownership to the minor leagues. 38 00:02:08,680 --> 00:02:11,440 Speaker 1: Everyone is on the same message of they have to 39 00:02:11,480 --> 00:02:14,400 Speaker 1: get better at drafting and developing and they have to 40 00:02:14,440 --> 00:02:16,639 Speaker 1: get more out of their young players. So I thought 41 00:02:16,680 --> 00:02:18,160 Speaker 1: that was pretty interesting to hear. 42 00:02:19,560 --> 00:02:23,360 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's it's it's I agree, it's it's interesting to 43 00:02:23,400 --> 00:02:26,800 Speaker 2: hear them be transparent and really kind of lay that out. 44 00:02:26,960 --> 00:02:29,640 Speaker 2: I know behind the scenes, that's been what a lot 45 00:02:29,720 --> 00:02:32,920 Speaker 2: of people have been talking about and and for us 46 00:02:33,000 --> 00:02:36,840 Speaker 2: kind of wondering what exactly their priority is and and 47 00:02:36,840 --> 00:02:38,519 Speaker 2: how are they going to commit to that. So to 48 00:02:38,919 --> 00:02:41,400 Speaker 2: hear you know, the ownership come out and really just 49 00:02:41,480 --> 00:02:45,480 Speaker 2: clearly defined like, yeah, we we have fallen behind in 50 00:02:45,520 --> 00:02:49,640 Speaker 2: a certain area, but we've we recognized that and going forward, 51 00:02:49,840 --> 00:02:52,240 Speaker 2: we're going to make some changes. And to me, like, 52 00:02:53,120 --> 00:02:54,959 Speaker 2: you can't can't go back, you know, can't go in 53 00:02:55,000 --> 00:02:57,440 Speaker 2: the past. We can't take time back. So there's not 54 00:02:57,600 --> 00:03:00,040 Speaker 2: a whole lot of use and really dwelling on that, 55 00:03:00,200 --> 00:03:05,040 Speaker 2: but I'm excited to see the progress that's made going forward. 56 00:03:05,040 --> 00:03:07,120 Speaker 2: I mean, you think about the Saint Louis Cardinals and 57 00:03:07,120 --> 00:03:10,200 Speaker 2: and for me being here this week and this weekend 58 00:03:10,400 --> 00:03:13,480 Speaker 2: was such a great reminder as to the nostalgia and 59 00:03:13,560 --> 00:03:16,840 Speaker 2: the history that this organization, organization has. It truly is 60 00:03:17,120 --> 00:03:19,639 Speaker 2: one of the best baseball franchises in all of Major 61 00:03:19,720 --> 00:03:22,840 Speaker 2: League Baseball. And if they're gonna go after something and 62 00:03:22,880 --> 00:03:27,560 Speaker 2: they're gonna make changes and commit to a new era, 63 00:03:28,080 --> 00:03:30,040 Speaker 2: you better believe that they're gonna do it in a 64 00:03:30,080 --> 00:03:33,520 Speaker 2: way that represents that cardinal brand. So I think it's 65 00:03:33,880 --> 00:03:37,560 Speaker 2: a great time to be excited, certainly this week since 66 00:03:37,600 --> 00:03:40,440 Speaker 2: we I mean, they call it the warm up. That's 67 00:03:40,480 --> 00:03:42,440 Speaker 2: not necessarily a warm but it is a warm up 68 00:03:42,480 --> 00:03:45,640 Speaker 2: in the sense that we're getting excited for the season ahead. 69 00:03:45,680 --> 00:03:49,160 Speaker 2: And you know, all all of these uncertain things that 70 00:03:49,200 --> 00:03:51,520 Speaker 2: we've been talking about for the last few weeks. Now 71 00:03:51,560 --> 00:03:55,080 Speaker 2: we have some clarity now, I mean. And then on 72 00:03:55,120 --> 00:03:57,600 Speaker 2: top of that, you mentioned it. The players, they're all 73 00:03:57,600 --> 00:04:00,480 Speaker 2: in alignment. They think we have an opportunity to hear. 74 00:04:00,640 --> 00:04:02,880 Speaker 2: We're not throwing in the towel. We're coming to play. 75 00:04:03,240 --> 00:04:06,120 Speaker 2: Let the kids play. And I think they're going to 76 00:04:06,160 --> 00:04:08,320 Speaker 2: surprise some people. And I'm on that train. I'm on 77 00:04:08,360 --> 00:04:09,840 Speaker 2: the positive train, Katie. 78 00:04:10,040 --> 00:04:12,200 Speaker 1: You're ready to be surprised. Okay, Well, I think we 79 00:04:12,240 --> 00:04:13,720 Speaker 1: need to get like eighty five percent of the fan 80 00:04:13,760 --> 00:04:16,600 Speaker 1: base on your side, because, like I said, we read 81 00:04:16,640 --> 00:04:20,480 Speaker 1: the comments. I've read the athletic comments as well. I 82 00:04:20,480 --> 00:04:22,600 Speaker 1: wouldn't say it's the most positive bunch out there, but 83 00:04:22,640 --> 00:04:25,440 Speaker 1: I will say I felt a different sense of energy 84 00:04:26,080 --> 00:04:31,320 Speaker 1: just throughout the weekend. And I think when we're talking 85 00:04:31,320 --> 00:04:33,640 Speaker 1: about what Cardinals fans want. You know this, Trevor, I 86 00:04:33,680 --> 00:04:35,440 Speaker 1: don't say this to you. It's one of the most 87 00:04:35,680 --> 00:04:37,719 Speaker 1: passionate fan bases in all the sports. And if you 88 00:04:37,839 --> 00:04:40,680 Speaker 1: give this fan base that is smart and knowledgeable and 89 00:04:40,760 --> 00:04:44,719 Speaker 1: understands the game of baseball a direction, and you give 90 00:04:44,760 --> 00:04:47,800 Speaker 1: them a clear path to what you're trying to do 91 00:04:47,839 --> 00:04:50,640 Speaker 1: as an organization, I think they respond to it, and 92 00:04:50,680 --> 00:04:52,800 Speaker 1: I think they'd show up. And yes, there is a 93 00:04:52,800 --> 00:04:56,440 Speaker 1: lot of frustration. There's a lot of apathy just based 94 00:04:56,520 --> 00:04:58,760 Speaker 1: on how this offseason has gone the last two seasons, 95 00:04:58,839 --> 00:05:01,640 Speaker 1: not making the postseason. Fans frustrated fans are a little 96 00:05:01,680 --> 00:05:04,479 Speaker 1: bitter right now. I get it, I understand. But the 97 00:05:04,560 --> 00:05:07,800 Speaker 1: thing that stood out to me was just how consistent 98 00:05:07,839 --> 00:05:10,560 Speaker 1: the messaging was through and through. And I'll read some 99 00:05:10,600 --> 00:05:13,520 Speaker 1: of the quotes that stood out to me throughout the weekend. 100 00:05:14,640 --> 00:05:17,360 Speaker 1: Studdy Gray, if you get caught in the middle, what 101 00:05:17,440 --> 00:05:19,760 Speaker 1: direction are you going? I believe you have to pick 102 00:05:19,760 --> 00:05:22,520 Speaker 1: a direction, you have to wholeheartedly believe in that direction, 103 00:05:23,000 --> 00:05:25,680 Speaker 1: and you have to go for it. And that I 104 00:05:25,720 --> 00:05:28,880 Speaker 1: think was embodied very well by the organization over the weekend. 105 00:05:29,360 --> 00:05:32,840 Speaker 1: It's so clear that they trust these young players, and 106 00:05:32,960 --> 00:05:35,320 Speaker 1: they want to give them this runway and they believe 107 00:05:35,360 --> 00:05:37,880 Speaker 1: in them, and you can feel those young players get 108 00:05:37,880 --> 00:05:40,800 Speaker 1: excited about it, like Brendan Donovan is excited to maybe, 109 00:05:40,920 --> 00:05:44,520 Speaker 1: you know, potentially lead this new core of a great 110 00:05:44,520 --> 00:05:46,960 Speaker 1: Cardinals team if they play well. This could be Lars 111 00:05:47,000 --> 00:05:48,920 Speaker 1: Newbar's team if he figures out a way to stay 112 00:05:48,920 --> 00:05:52,240 Speaker 1: healthy and performs. Jordan Walker after then his press conference, 113 00:05:52,279 --> 00:05:53,960 Speaker 1: I walked up there and I said, Jordani really fired 114 00:05:54,000 --> 00:05:55,880 Speaker 1: me up because he was talking about all the changes 115 00:05:55,920 --> 00:05:58,599 Speaker 1: he made. It was a different Jordan Walker in terms 116 00:05:58,640 --> 00:06:02,440 Speaker 1: of his enthusiasm and was back. He was more relaxed, 117 00:06:02,520 --> 00:06:05,520 Speaker 1: more Jordan, and we hadn't seen that in a while. 118 00:06:06,520 --> 00:06:08,960 Speaker 1: So you go down the list and it's clear that 119 00:06:09,040 --> 00:06:13,480 Speaker 1: these younger guys believe in themselves. Mason Wynn is ready 120 00:06:13,520 --> 00:06:15,960 Speaker 1: to be like the next face of the Saint Louis Cardinals. 121 00:06:16,120 --> 00:06:19,000 Speaker 1: And when you have a group that trusts themselves anchored 122 00:06:19,000 --> 00:06:22,480 Speaker 1: by a veteran pitching staff, you know, I'm not going 123 00:06:22,520 --> 00:06:23,920 Speaker 1: out here and saying, oh, the Cardinals are going to 124 00:06:23,960 --> 00:06:26,960 Speaker 1: be World Series Champions twenty twenty five, But I no 125 00:06:27,000 --> 00:06:31,680 Speaker 1: longer feel as anxious about if they can actually put 126 00:06:31,720 --> 00:06:33,960 Speaker 1: together an entertaining product. Again, I don't know if they're 127 00:06:34,000 --> 00:06:37,000 Speaker 1: going to win, but I do think that the way 128 00:06:37,040 --> 00:06:40,400 Speaker 1: that this group has bought into each other, it's and 129 00:06:40,480 --> 00:06:43,040 Speaker 1: banded behind guys that have chosen to stay like Sunny Gray, 130 00:06:43,080 --> 00:06:46,599 Speaker 1: like Wilson Contrera's that's exciting. And if you're looking, if 131 00:06:46,600 --> 00:06:48,400 Speaker 1: you're a fan, looking for something to buy into or 132 00:06:48,400 --> 00:06:50,640 Speaker 1: being positive about, you can take the energy that was 133 00:06:50,680 --> 00:06:54,960 Speaker 1: here today Sunday, Saturday, that was consistent, and maybe that 134 00:06:55,000 --> 00:06:56,200 Speaker 1: gets a little bit more excited. 135 00:06:57,680 --> 00:07:02,560 Speaker 2: Heck, yeah, I agree. I mean there's so many good 136 00:07:02,560 --> 00:07:05,960 Speaker 2: points there. I mean thinking about you know, just the positivity, 137 00:07:05,960 --> 00:07:08,440 Speaker 2: the energy for the team. That's what we want this 138 00:07:08,560 --> 00:07:11,720 Speaker 2: time of year. Hopefully most teams have that similar mindset. 139 00:07:12,320 --> 00:07:15,280 Speaker 2: But it was good and I'm I'm like you, I agree. 140 00:07:15,640 --> 00:07:19,120 Speaker 2: Listening to Jordan Walker and Mason Win and Brendan Donovan 141 00:07:19,200 --> 00:07:22,920 Speaker 2: and looking at the potential with large new bar, I'm 142 00:07:23,000 --> 00:07:26,840 Speaker 2: really bought in to this lineup. The big question mark 143 00:07:26,880 --> 00:07:29,600 Speaker 2: for me will be the pitching side, and specifically on 144 00:07:29,720 --> 00:07:34,360 Speaker 2: the starting pitching. I think there's potentially, you know, starting 145 00:07:34,400 --> 00:07:36,800 Speaker 2: pitching is hard, I mean, and it's a long season. 146 00:07:36,840 --> 00:07:39,640 Speaker 2: There's gonna be injuries, There's gonna be changes that happen 147 00:07:40,280 --> 00:07:42,880 Speaker 2: down the line, and so really getting a feel for 148 00:07:42,920 --> 00:07:46,520 Speaker 2: the type of depth and the quality of arms and 149 00:07:46,720 --> 00:07:49,360 Speaker 2: and innings that are gonna be thrown out there every 150 00:07:49,360 --> 00:07:53,360 Speaker 2: single night is yet to be answered. But I'm I'm 151 00:07:53,400 --> 00:07:56,600 Speaker 2: excited for these young position players. I think there's gonna 152 00:07:56,600 --> 00:07:59,080 Speaker 2: be if not this year, I mean certainly this year 153 00:07:59,160 --> 00:08:01,440 Speaker 2: is gonna be really building block. And when we think 154 00:08:01,440 --> 00:08:03,560 Speaker 2: about the Cardinals going forward over the next three to 155 00:08:03,640 --> 00:08:06,880 Speaker 2: five years, these key pieces are going to emerge this year. 156 00:08:06,880 --> 00:08:09,280 Speaker 2: We're going to know who the players are that are 157 00:08:09,320 --> 00:08:11,600 Speaker 2: going to be a part of the latter going up 158 00:08:11,640 --> 00:08:13,760 Speaker 2: and that are going to continue to stick around as 159 00:08:14,080 --> 00:08:17,800 Speaker 2: this team continues to build. But you know, one starting 160 00:08:17,800 --> 00:08:19,880 Speaker 2: pitcher I am excited about. We got to sit with 161 00:08:19,920 --> 00:08:23,800 Speaker 2: our friend Quinn Matthews at the Writers' Dinner on Sunday night, which, 162 00:08:23,800 --> 00:08:25,680 Speaker 2: for those of you that missed it, it was such 163 00:08:25,680 --> 00:08:30,800 Speaker 2: a great evening. Not yeah, it was. It was incredible 164 00:08:30,920 --> 00:08:33,760 Speaker 2: and a huge testament to you know, the work that 165 00:08:33,800 --> 00:08:36,000 Speaker 2: the writers do. And I think Saint Louis is a 166 00:08:36,080 --> 00:08:38,600 Speaker 2: lucky town. We've mentioned it multiple times, but one of 167 00:08:38,600 --> 00:08:42,480 Speaker 2: the only two Writers Dinners that still remain and it's 168 00:08:42,480 --> 00:08:45,120 Speaker 2: a huge testament to the work that the media and 169 00:08:45,160 --> 00:08:48,400 Speaker 2: the reporters and all of you writers do as a 170 00:08:48,400 --> 00:08:51,800 Speaker 2: conduit from the fans or to the organization, and that's 171 00:08:51,840 --> 00:08:53,719 Speaker 2: what makes Saint Louis so fun. But we got to 172 00:08:53,760 --> 00:08:57,240 Speaker 2: sit with our friend Quinn Matthews, and you know, when 173 00:08:57,360 --> 00:09:00,959 Speaker 2: we're thinking about this development developmental process, that's what I'm 174 00:09:00,960 --> 00:09:04,040 Speaker 2: most excited about to see players like Quinn Matthews get 175 00:09:04,080 --> 00:09:07,520 Speaker 2: access to the resources to become the best versions of themselves. 176 00:09:08,000 --> 00:09:11,160 Speaker 1: And yeah, I Quinn. He also blew me away in 177 00:09:11,240 --> 00:09:13,520 Speaker 1: terms of what he did during his press conference. I 178 00:09:13,600 --> 00:09:17,719 Speaker 1: was so entertained. And it's just interesting that we bring 179 00:09:17,800 --> 00:09:19,280 Speaker 1: up pitching here and this is the perfect segue to 180 00:09:19,320 --> 00:09:23,800 Speaker 1: our next Our next topic. Mo talked a lot about 181 00:09:23,880 --> 00:09:26,120 Speaker 1: Nolan Arnado, and we'll get to what he said about Nolan, 182 00:09:26,160 --> 00:09:28,360 Speaker 1: but one of the things that he said that's different 183 00:09:28,520 --> 00:09:30,880 Speaker 1: from what we've previously been talking about is if he 184 00:09:30,960 --> 00:09:35,920 Speaker 1: can't trade Nolan Arnado, he's not likely. It doesn't feel 185 00:09:35,920 --> 00:09:37,679 Speaker 1: the pressure that he might have earlier in the off 186 00:09:37,760 --> 00:09:41,120 Speaker 1: season to offload or trim other areas of the roster, 187 00:09:41,200 --> 00:09:43,600 Speaker 1: and one area that he specifically does not want to 188 00:09:43,600 --> 00:09:47,400 Speaker 1: touch is his starting pitching. He likes the depth, and 189 00:09:47,440 --> 00:09:51,600 Speaker 1: you know, you think about the for sure starters, Sonny Gray, Miles, Michaelis, 190 00:09:51,679 --> 00:09:53,920 Speaker 1: Eric Fetti. You can maybe put Steven Matts and Matt's there, 191 00:09:53,960 --> 00:09:55,400 Speaker 1: he can maybe go to the bullpen. He's kind of 192 00:09:55,400 --> 00:09:58,520 Speaker 1: a wildcard. But then you have Andre Pilante, Michael McGreevey 193 00:09:58,559 --> 00:10:00,559 Speaker 1: will come up and fight for a spotton rotation. And 194 00:10:00,600 --> 00:10:02,840 Speaker 1: then you have a bunch of fringe guys like Zach 195 00:10:02,920 --> 00:10:05,040 Speaker 1: Thompson will be there, Matthew libertoor is going to come 196 00:10:05,080 --> 00:10:07,080 Speaker 1: the spring and stretch out as a starter. You have 197 00:10:07,200 --> 00:10:11,000 Speaker 1: Quinn Matthews, you have Tank Hens. That's exciting and it's 198 00:10:12,200 --> 00:10:14,880 Speaker 1: you know, I think for such a long time because 199 00:10:14,880 --> 00:10:17,040 Speaker 1: this is just how the messaging was from inside the 200 00:10:17,120 --> 00:10:19,880 Speaker 1: organization and various people that we've talked to, is the 201 00:10:19,880 --> 00:10:21,599 Speaker 1: Cardinals couldn't trade Nolan. They were going to have to 202 00:10:21,600 --> 00:10:23,280 Speaker 1: trade someone else and one of these pictures was going 203 00:10:23,320 --> 00:10:25,360 Speaker 1: to have to go, or maybe some other leaver was 204 00:10:25,400 --> 00:10:27,120 Speaker 1: going to have to go. But the fact that both 205 00:10:27,480 --> 00:10:30,040 Speaker 1: Mo and Bildewett Junior said that no, this is no 206 00:10:30,120 --> 00:10:32,320 Speaker 1: longer an area where if we don't move Nolan, we 207 00:10:32,360 --> 00:10:34,880 Speaker 1: don't have to trim more of the payroll. I thought 208 00:10:34,880 --> 00:10:37,840 Speaker 1: that was encouraging. It's probably the only positive payroll messaging 209 00:10:37,880 --> 00:10:41,520 Speaker 1: that we've had in about six months. So that's that's 210 00:10:41,559 --> 00:10:44,760 Speaker 1: fun for me to hear, I think, because I think 211 00:10:44,840 --> 00:10:48,160 Speaker 1: there are some very promising pieces in the organization and 212 00:10:48,200 --> 00:10:50,120 Speaker 1: it's just a matter of getting them to click. And 213 00:10:50,200 --> 00:10:51,600 Speaker 1: like you said, this is the year that we're going 214 00:10:51,679 --> 00:10:55,280 Speaker 1: to figure out what those building blocks are. Now. The 215 00:10:55,760 --> 00:10:59,000 Speaker 1: hinge in the plan here will be if they can 216 00:10:59,160 --> 00:11:03,800 Speaker 1: actually in d trade Ronados. So talk to mo on Saturday. 217 00:11:03,840 --> 00:11:05,839 Speaker 1: It was about thirty minutes, and I thought, in terms 218 00:11:05,840 --> 00:11:08,800 Speaker 1: of how John Moseailic's press conferences usually go, this was 219 00:11:08,840 --> 00:11:11,600 Speaker 1: one of his better ones. He was pretty transparent. He 220 00:11:11,640 --> 00:11:13,640 Speaker 1: did not really beat herund the bush. He hasn't made 221 00:11:13,640 --> 00:11:15,840 Speaker 1: a single move since the offseason. He thinks it's weird. 222 00:11:16,600 --> 00:11:20,240 Speaker 1: Don't worry though. He is still trying priority one, two 223 00:11:20,280 --> 00:11:22,880 Speaker 1: and three to trade Nolan Ronado. He said it's a 224 00:11:22,920 --> 00:11:25,240 Speaker 1: top priority for the organization and myself, so I'll be 225 00:11:25,320 --> 00:11:29,280 Speaker 1: laser focused on it until it's not h Yeah, Trevor 226 00:11:29,360 --> 00:11:32,400 Speaker 1: certainly sounds like John Mozaelok wants Nolan Arnado out of here, 227 00:11:32,800 --> 00:11:36,040 Speaker 1: and I again, maybe not necessarily anything just Nolan as 228 00:11:36,040 --> 00:11:38,040 Speaker 1: a person, but this just goes back to creating that 229 00:11:38,080 --> 00:11:39,920 Speaker 1: runway for the young players. It's just a matter of 230 00:11:39,920 --> 00:11:41,080 Speaker 1: if they're going to be able to or not. 231 00:11:42,320 --> 00:11:45,920 Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm I agree. I mean to that, to that level, 232 00:11:45,920 --> 00:11:49,360 Speaker 2: it seems more than likely that he does get moved. 233 00:11:49,400 --> 00:11:52,440 Speaker 2: I mean, I'm surprised that it hasn't happened so far, 234 00:11:53,800 --> 00:11:57,520 Speaker 2: but that's clearly their top priority and if everything hinges 235 00:11:57,640 --> 00:12:03,680 Speaker 2: on that transaction, they're going to do everything everything in 236 00:12:03,720 --> 00:12:07,880 Speaker 2: their power to get that done. So I hope it 237 00:12:07,920 --> 00:12:12,199 Speaker 2: happens sooner than later. Again, just an additional clarity, coming 238 00:12:12,200 --> 00:12:14,600 Speaker 2: off the high of the winter warm up and all 239 00:12:14,600 --> 00:12:17,439 Speaker 2: the excitement, if we can continue that momentum and if 240 00:12:17,760 --> 00:12:21,840 Speaker 2: Ernato getting him moved is a part of that momentum, 241 00:12:21,960 --> 00:12:24,040 Speaker 2: you know, we're gonna have a lot of excitement over 242 00:12:24,040 --> 00:12:26,360 Speaker 2: these next few weeks before we go down to spring training. 243 00:12:26,800 --> 00:12:32,120 Speaker 1: And it's fascinating, right because they're essentially pretty much in 244 00:12:32,240 --> 00:12:36,360 Speaker 1: a gridlock until Alex Bragman signs, and Mo alluded to 245 00:12:36,400 --> 00:12:39,079 Speaker 1: this without necessarily commenting in Sant Alex Bergman out right 246 00:12:39,120 --> 00:12:41,439 Speaker 1: he said, the reason why this has been slow most 247 00:12:41,520 --> 00:12:44,079 Speaker 1: likely has things to do with the free agent market. 248 00:12:44,200 --> 00:12:47,480 Speaker 1: So to break it down, Alex Fragman, top third basement 249 00:12:47,480 --> 00:12:49,720 Speaker 1: available in free agency, still hasn't signed. He has a 250 00:12:49,760 --> 00:12:52,959 Speaker 1: Scott Boris client, and Scott Boris has no problem taking 251 00:12:52,960 --> 00:12:57,880 Speaker 1: negotiations into spring, even March. And the Cardinals are kind 252 00:12:57,880 --> 00:13:00,280 Speaker 1: of at the mercy here because it's not like they 253 00:13:00,320 --> 00:13:02,120 Speaker 1: have not tried to make deals. We know about one 254 00:13:02,120 --> 00:13:05,000 Speaker 1: that didn't go through, but there are other teams interested 255 00:13:05,240 --> 00:13:08,280 Speaker 1: in Ronado. This is a two way street, though he 256 00:13:08,320 --> 00:13:10,880 Speaker 1: has to want to go there, so it's it's never 257 00:13:11,280 --> 00:13:14,439 Speaker 1: been an easy situation. I think everyone just kind of 258 00:13:14,480 --> 00:13:16,400 Speaker 1: assumed if the trade was going to happen, it was 259 00:13:16,559 --> 00:13:19,120 Speaker 1: would have happened by now. And it's a little weird 260 00:13:19,120 --> 00:13:22,000 Speaker 1: that we're sitting here on January twentieth and not one 261 00:13:22,040 --> 00:13:24,400 Speaker 1: single move has been made and Nolan is still a Cardinal, 262 00:13:24,679 --> 00:13:26,880 Speaker 1: and both sides are preparing for a reality that he 263 00:13:26,920 --> 00:13:30,080 Speaker 1: comes back. It's not guaranteed. John Mozelax said on Saturday 264 00:13:30,120 --> 00:13:32,080 Speaker 1: that he would give the odds a flip of a coin, 265 00:13:32,480 --> 00:13:36,160 Speaker 1: So that's I'll give most some credit here. That's hard 266 00:13:36,160 --> 00:13:38,400 Speaker 1: to plan one fifty percent, you're going one way fifty 267 00:13:38,400 --> 00:13:41,520 Speaker 1: percent the other, and the Cardinals virtually here have no 268 00:13:41,559 --> 00:13:44,760 Speaker 1: control over the situation anymore. You're waiting for Alex Bregman, 269 00:13:44,880 --> 00:13:46,719 Speaker 1: or you're waiting for a team that Nolan wants to 270 00:13:46,760 --> 00:13:50,520 Speaker 1: go to to call. Those things are all intertwined, so 271 00:13:50,640 --> 00:13:52,760 Speaker 1: it's a little bit of a mess. We did clear 272 00:13:52,840 --> 00:13:55,559 Speaker 1: up again though, that they don't necessarily have to trim 273 00:13:55,600 --> 00:13:58,520 Speaker 1: payroll if they can't move the remainder. Seventy four million 274 00:13:58,559 --> 00:14:02,040 Speaker 1: dollars on are not a salary, but it will impact 275 00:14:02,160 --> 00:14:04,440 Speaker 1: at bats that they promised and they'd like to give 276 00:14:04,679 --> 00:14:06,719 Speaker 1: I shouldn't say promised, they would like to give two 277 00:14:06,760 --> 00:14:11,320 Speaker 1: guys like Nolan Gorman, Thomas, j C. Brendan Donovan. You know, 278 00:14:11,360 --> 00:14:13,280 Speaker 1: I'm sure they'll find spots for Donnie because he's a 279 00:14:13,320 --> 00:14:15,920 Speaker 1: super utility guy. But it's just going to create this 280 00:14:16,000 --> 00:14:20,080 Speaker 1: log jam, and that will be interesting to see how 281 00:14:20,120 --> 00:14:22,800 Speaker 1: they navigate that. I mean, think about it, Trevor. If 282 00:14:22,800 --> 00:14:27,200 Speaker 1: you're a young player and you know, you want to 283 00:14:27,200 --> 00:14:28,840 Speaker 1: figure out what you have in this year, in this 284 00:14:28,880 --> 00:14:31,960 Speaker 1: building block year, and you're kind of also in a 285 00:14:32,000 --> 00:14:34,640 Speaker 1: paradox of maybe I'll be the starting third baseman or 286 00:14:34,720 --> 00:14:37,360 Speaker 1: maybe I'll have to pivot somewhere else. That's challenging to 287 00:14:37,400 --> 00:14:39,440 Speaker 1: prepare for to as you head in the spring. 288 00:14:40,880 --> 00:14:43,160 Speaker 2: It is challenging. But I think, you know, going back 289 00:14:43,160 --> 00:14:46,160 Speaker 2: to the free agent landscape, that's unfortunately just the reality 290 00:14:46,200 --> 00:14:48,680 Speaker 2: of Major League Baseball right now. And it's been this 291 00:14:48,800 --> 00:14:52,840 Speaker 2: trend where free agents, especially high value for agents, are 292 00:14:52,840 --> 00:14:55,840 Speaker 2: signing later and later, and that has the ripple effect 293 00:14:55,880 --> 00:14:59,960 Speaker 2: down onto other players. And like I said, it's the reality. 294 00:15:00,120 --> 00:15:03,640 Speaker 2: So as a player, as a representation on the agent side, 295 00:15:03,680 --> 00:15:06,440 Speaker 2: you have to be informing players of this reality so 296 00:15:06,480 --> 00:15:09,560 Speaker 2: that they can prepare themselves for it. And you know, 297 00:15:10,400 --> 00:15:15,080 Speaker 2: that's why as athletes we get the opportunities we do, 298 00:15:15,120 --> 00:15:18,760 Speaker 2: because we're able to adjust into these types of situations. 299 00:15:18,800 --> 00:15:21,960 Speaker 2: And so, you know, if we were talking fifteen twenty 300 00:15:22,040 --> 00:15:24,000 Speaker 2: years ago, where things were a little bit more traditional 301 00:15:24,160 --> 00:15:26,520 Speaker 2: players were signed at at least two to three weeks 302 00:15:26,600 --> 00:15:29,000 Speaker 2: at a minimum before going into camp and you were 303 00:15:29,040 --> 00:15:32,120 Speaker 2: able to play on ahead, that's just not the reality today. 304 00:15:32,560 --> 00:15:36,080 Speaker 2: And so yeah, I mean, if you want to play 305 00:15:36,200 --> 00:15:39,200 Speaker 2: in this league right now, you have to be able 306 00:15:39,240 --> 00:15:41,840 Speaker 2: to come in and make adjustments on the fly, and 307 00:15:42,000 --> 00:15:43,400 Speaker 2: at the end of the day. I mean, those are 308 00:15:43,440 --> 00:15:46,200 Speaker 2: the guys that rise to the top and take advantage 309 00:15:46,200 --> 00:15:47,200 Speaker 2: of those opportunities. 310 00:15:47,640 --> 00:15:50,040 Speaker 1: Yeah, I can't believe we're three weeks to the date 311 00:15:50,720 --> 00:15:53,920 Speaker 1: of pitchers and catchers reporting, or at least us going 312 00:15:53,920 --> 00:15:56,280 Speaker 1: to spring training to get ready for report day, and 313 00:15:56,360 --> 00:15:58,760 Speaker 1: there are so many free agents that are still unsigned. 314 00:15:58,760 --> 00:16:02,800 Speaker 1: I mean, Anthony Santander just signed today with Toronto. It's 315 00:16:03,120 --> 00:16:06,360 Speaker 1: strange because I feel like, in you know, a decade earlier, 316 00:16:06,560 --> 00:16:09,520 Speaker 1: by January first, baseball was pretty much wrapped up. You 317 00:16:09,560 --> 00:16:12,040 Speaker 1: knew who was going and where, and you had your roster. 318 00:16:12,200 --> 00:16:15,600 Speaker 1: And it's definitely not like that anymore. And as you 319 00:16:15,600 --> 00:16:19,240 Speaker 1: can see for the Cardinals, obviously, it's very much impacted 320 00:16:19,360 --> 00:16:22,800 Speaker 1: their off season. I think from a transaction standpoint, if 321 00:16:22,840 --> 00:16:26,280 Speaker 1: Nolan Arnatto Jes stay in Saint Louis, all that will 322 00:16:26,320 --> 00:16:29,160 Speaker 1: really mean is that the Cardinals won't go out and 323 00:16:29,200 --> 00:16:31,280 Speaker 1: be able to add to their roster, so they won't 324 00:16:31,280 --> 00:16:34,040 Speaker 1: be cutting back anymore. But you know, John Mozelek said 325 00:16:34,080 --> 00:16:36,760 Speaker 1: multiple times he's looking to add some bullpen help, potentially 326 00:16:36,760 --> 00:16:40,240 Speaker 1: maybe a right handed bench back with some slug He 327 00:16:40,320 --> 00:16:42,160 Speaker 1: probably is not going to be able to have the 328 00:16:42,200 --> 00:16:45,160 Speaker 1: payroll flexibility to go get that because they will be 329 00:16:45,240 --> 00:16:48,280 Speaker 1: holding on to Nolan's contract, but at least they would 330 00:16:48,440 --> 00:16:51,520 Speaker 1: wouldn't be subtracting from the roster more. I think that 331 00:16:51,600 --> 00:16:55,240 Speaker 1: would just really leave a bad taste in fans mouse 332 00:16:55,280 --> 00:16:55,920 Speaker 1: if they did that. 333 00:16:56,960 --> 00:17:01,000 Speaker 2: Yeah, And I mean another point, you know that really 334 00:17:01,120 --> 00:17:03,840 Speaker 2: kind of shakes this out as time goes on. The 335 00:17:03,920 --> 00:17:06,639 Speaker 2: other component that you have to pay attention to is 336 00:17:06,720 --> 00:17:09,880 Speaker 2: as teams get into camp, like today for example, and 337 00:17:09,920 --> 00:17:12,000 Speaker 2: being here at the Winner warm up, we're very excited 338 00:17:12,040 --> 00:17:14,040 Speaker 2: about the team and the players that we have. But 339 00:17:14,119 --> 00:17:17,000 Speaker 2: two to three weeks into spring training, those players that 340 00:17:17,040 --> 00:17:19,719 Speaker 2: you had excitement about today, after you see some reps, 341 00:17:20,200 --> 00:17:23,480 Speaker 2: your excitement might wiane a little bit. And certainly that 342 00:17:23,560 --> 00:17:27,200 Speaker 2: happens the further we get into the season. So yeah, 343 00:17:27,240 --> 00:17:30,280 Speaker 2: although a transaction may not happen as a fan or 344 00:17:30,320 --> 00:17:33,119 Speaker 2: as a player as early as we might like, it 345 00:17:33,200 --> 00:17:37,200 Speaker 2: is a long season. There are going to be multiple 346 00:17:37,480 --> 00:17:42,800 Speaker 2: opportunities or throughout these first couple of months for players 347 00:17:42,840 --> 00:17:46,119 Speaker 2: to get moved around. In additions to take place, I 348 00:17:46,119 --> 00:17:48,160 Speaker 2: mean you mentioned it, there's still a lot of free 349 00:17:48,160 --> 00:17:51,840 Speaker 2: agents out there, and the probability of those free agents 350 00:17:51,840 --> 00:17:55,240 Speaker 2: being signed by the time we're starting up spring training 351 00:17:55,480 --> 00:17:58,080 Speaker 2: is pretty low. So if the Cardinals do have a 352 00:17:58,080 --> 00:18:00,359 Speaker 2: delay in moving Eronato and that happens to come to 353 00:18:00,400 --> 00:18:04,960 Speaker 2: fruition farther along than we anticipate a flip of a 354 00:18:05,000 --> 00:18:08,159 Speaker 2: coin and maybe that coin it spins around for a 355 00:18:08,200 --> 00:18:11,920 Speaker 2: little while and then finally lands and we get our 356 00:18:12,119 --> 00:18:15,200 Speaker 2: we get our clarity. There's gonna be some guys that 357 00:18:15,320 --> 00:18:17,360 Speaker 2: are going to be available that the Cardinals can add 358 00:18:17,359 --> 00:18:18,520 Speaker 2: at that point. Yeah. 359 00:18:18,520 --> 00:18:20,560 Speaker 1: I mean just last year in spring, they were about 360 00:18:20,560 --> 00:18:23,000 Speaker 1: three weeks in they signed Brandon Crawford and it turned 361 00:18:23,000 --> 00:18:24,359 Speaker 1: it out. You know, they did need him in the 362 00:18:24,400 --> 00:18:26,000 Speaker 1: first half. I don't know about the second half, but 363 00:18:26,040 --> 00:18:29,520 Speaker 1: they did need him in the first half. So we're 364 00:18:29,560 --> 00:18:32,280 Speaker 1: riding the optimism train for a while for as long 365 00:18:32,320 --> 00:18:36,120 Speaker 1: as we can. Just because it's been stagnant pretty much 366 00:18:36,160 --> 00:18:38,320 Speaker 1: the entire off season doesn't mean it will be forever. 367 00:18:38,440 --> 00:18:40,920 Speaker 1: And at least we know that the Cardinals do not 368 00:18:41,000 --> 00:18:44,240 Speaker 1: feel like they absolutely have to keep cutting payroll. 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And 409 00:20:36,560 --> 00:20:41,719 Speaker 1: I'll preface with this. It is not often that an 410 00:20:41,760 --> 00:20:45,040 Speaker 1: ownership of any MLB team or sports team in general 411 00:20:45,160 --> 00:20:47,960 Speaker 1: will willingly come out and talk to the media once 412 00:20:48,000 --> 00:20:50,680 Speaker 1: a year. The Duets do this twice to three times, 413 00:20:51,040 --> 00:20:52,760 Speaker 1: and they do this every year at winter warm up. 414 00:20:52,800 --> 00:20:56,000 Speaker 1: It is something that they are not required to do, 415 00:20:56,080 --> 00:21:00,240 Speaker 1: but they feel obligated to do, and it was very 416 00:21:00,280 --> 00:21:02,119 Speaker 1: nice to see that even in the midst of a 417 00:21:02,240 --> 00:21:05,280 Speaker 1: very frustrating season or off season and a time where 418 00:21:05,280 --> 00:21:07,520 Speaker 1: they're not the most popular people in Saint Louis right now, 419 00:21:07,680 --> 00:21:09,720 Speaker 1: they still shut up and did it. So that kind 420 00:21:09,720 --> 00:21:12,159 Speaker 1: of transparency, I think does go a little bit the 421 00:21:12,200 --> 00:21:15,280 Speaker 1: fact that they put themselves in a position to talk 422 00:21:15,320 --> 00:21:18,119 Speaker 1: to media in an open forum situation. There are a 423 00:21:18,160 --> 00:21:21,119 Speaker 1: lot of owners who wouldn't do that, so I commend 424 00:21:21,160 --> 00:21:23,960 Speaker 1: them for that. And I thought the messaging was much 425 00:21:24,040 --> 00:21:26,520 Speaker 1: better than the end of the year press conference they did. 426 00:21:26,520 --> 00:21:29,160 Speaker 1: I understand low bar it was not a good press conference, 427 00:21:29,320 --> 00:21:33,720 Speaker 1: but again it goes back to the same messaging and 428 00:21:34,320 --> 00:21:37,479 Speaker 1: hearing Builduwitt Junior talk about the importance of getting back 429 00:21:37,520 --> 00:21:40,879 Speaker 1: to a drafting and developing team. That's what the Cardinals 430 00:21:40,880 --> 00:21:43,720 Speaker 1: were so good at for the overwhelming majority point of 431 00:21:43,720 --> 00:21:45,679 Speaker 1: his tenure. He's been an the owner of the Cardinals 432 00:21:45,720 --> 00:21:48,400 Speaker 1: for almost thirty years now, and for about twenty five 433 00:21:48,400 --> 00:21:51,960 Speaker 1: of those years, the Cardinals excelled at drafting and developing players. 434 00:21:52,280 --> 00:21:54,960 Speaker 1: And of course we know that the downfalls in player 435 00:21:55,000 --> 00:21:57,600 Speaker 1: development over the last five years or so, and he 436 00:21:57,640 --> 00:22:01,840 Speaker 1: was candid about that. You know, both him and build 437 00:22:01,920 --> 00:22:06,520 Speaker 1: with the third talked about the importance of having generating young, 438 00:22:06,800 --> 00:22:11,080 Speaker 1: homegrown talent consistently and then supplementing it with either a 439 00:22:11,119 --> 00:22:13,760 Speaker 1: trade or a free agent signing as being the best 440 00:22:13,800 --> 00:22:17,679 Speaker 1: possible way to instill long term success in an organization. 441 00:22:18,119 --> 00:22:20,199 Speaker 1: And for a very long time the Cardinals did that 442 00:22:20,240 --> 00:22:24,040 Speaker 1: and had long term success, and I thought that was interesting. 443 00:22:24,400 --> 00:22:27,000 Speaker 1: I also thought it was interesting what they said about payroll, 444 00:22:27,040 --> 00:22:30,080 Speaker 1: and we know payroll is going down right now Percott's contracts. 445 00:22:30,080 --> 00:22:33,439 Speaker 1: The Cardinals are projected to start the year with the 446 00:22:33,480 --> 00:22:37,080 Speaker 1: sixteenth ranked payroll at about one hundred and forty one million dollars, 447 00:22:37,280 --> 00:22:40,640 Speaker 1: UH far cry from where they were, and build Awit 448 00:22:40,720 --> 00:22:44,639 Speaker 1: Junior talked about being in a mid market. Obviously, the 449 00:22:44,680 --> 00:22:46,840 Speaker 1: Cardinals are not going to spend like the Dodgers. Nobody 450 00:22:46,920 --> 00:22:50,600 Speaker 1: is spending like the Dodgers. It's a ridiculous different tangent 451 00:22:50,640 --> 00:22:53,720 Speaker 1: though for another day. But what they are doing and 452 00:22:53,760 --> 00:22:55,880 Speaker 1: what they have done, is they've punched above their weight. 453 00:22:56,160 --> 00:22:58,600 Speaker 1: That's a phrase that John Mosalla says a lot in 454 00:22:58,680 --> 00:23:01,600 Speaker 1: terms of their market size. But what happened was, as 455 00:23:01,640 --> 00:23:04,879 Speaker 1: we know, they spent all this money on improving the 456 00:23:04,920 --> 00:23:09,119 Speaker 1: major league club and these free agent signings and not 457 00:23:09,240 --> 00:23:11,200 Speaker 1: seeing the success that they wanted to with the major leagues, 458 00:23:11,280 --> 00:23:16,080 Speaker 1: ultimately not seeing postseason wins, and it ultimately became unsustainable. 459 00:23:16,240 --> 00:23:18,320 Speaker 1: So while they are shifting a lot of their money 460 00:23:18,320 --> 00:23:21,560 Speaker 1: back into player development, there were also some concerns about 461 00:23:21,640 --> 00:23:24,240 Speaker 1: TV revenue. The Cardinals step of twenty five percent pay 462 00:23:24,280 --> 00:23:26,840 Speaker 1: cut and their rights fees for next year or this year, 463 00:23:27,200 --> 00:23:31,000 Speaker 1: and their restructure deal with Fandual Sports Midwest, there will 464 00:23:31,040 --> 00:23:33,880 Speaker 1: be decline in ticket sales and gate revenue. They are 465 00:23:33,880 --> 00:23:37,120 Speaker 1: concerned about that. That's been a legitimate, uh, you know, 466 00:23:37,640 --> 00:23:41,200 Speaker 1: a legitimate concern for how they're going to spend their money. 467 00:23:41,480 --> 00:23:44,240 Speaker 1: What was an interesting comment to me was hearing build 468 00:23:44,240 --> 00:23:46,800 Speaker 1: Await Junior say it's a revenue game. You know, the 469 00:23:46,800 --> 00:23:49,320 Speaker 1: more money that you are investing in the club, the 470 00:23:49,320 --> 00:23:52,000 Speaker 1: more money you'll have to spend. It's a cycle. Right now, 471 00:23:52,160 --> 00:23:54,800 Speaker 1: they're at a part in the cycle that's not very kind. 472 00:23:54,880 --> 00:23:56,720 Speaker 1: I mean, it's not I'm not sure how they're going 473 00:23:56,800 --> 00:23:59,439 Speaker 1: to find a way to entice fans to come back 474 00:23:59,480 --> 00:24:01,560 Speaker 1: to the ballpark, but I will say at least their 475 00:24:01,600 --> 00:24:03,880 Speaker 1: messaging has been consistent on what they want the organization 476 00:24:03,960 --> 00:24:07,320 Speaker 1: to go back to Trevor, your homegrown Cardinal, I actually 477 00:24:07,359 --> 00:24:09,480 Speaker 1: told a hilarious story that I did not know on 478 00:24:09,520 --> 00:24:12,159 Speaker 1: how you were drafted by the Cardinals, but you know 479 00:24:13,000 --> 00:24:15,679 Speaker 1: how important it was coming through that system of drafting 480 00:24:15,760 --> 00:24:16,760 Speaker 1: developing good talent. 481 00:24:17,720 --> 00:24:21,959 Speaker 2: Certainly, I felt very fortunate with my time that I 482 00:24:22,000 --> 00:24:25,600 Speaker 2: had to come through the minor leagues and through the organization. 483 00:24:25,640 --> 00:24:29,200 Speaker 2: I felt like it was very impactful to my development 484 00:24:29,240 --> 00:24:31,720 Speaker 2: as a player, but then also as a person. They 485 00:24:31,720 --> 00:24:34,360 Speaker 2: had some very strong pieces along the way. I mean, 486 00:24:34,600 --> 00:24:37,360 Speaker 2: and to start it all off, I was drafted by 487 00:24:37,560 --> 00:24:40,879 Speaker 2: a scout that only saw me pitch two thirds of 488 00:24:40,880 --> 00:24:45,560 Speaker 2: an inning, and I think that says a lot to 489 00:24:45,600 --> 00:24:48,120 Speaker 2: that team, that front office team that was in charge 490 00:24:48,119 --> 00:24:50,239 Speaker 2: of the draft at that time, for them to have 491 00:24:50,320 --> 00:24:54,880 Speaker 2: faith and be convinced to take a player with basically 492 00:24:54,960 --> 00:24:58,959 Speaker 2: zero data. So they were doing something very unique and 493 00:24:59,080 --> 00:25:01,280 Speaker 2: I would love sleep to see them get back to 494 00:25:01,320 --> 00:25:04,080 Speaker 2: that with with the draft. And I'm not very familiar, 495 00:25:04,160 --> 00:25:07,360 Speaker 2: so I can't speak too heavily on that part exactly, 496 00:25:07,400 --> 00:25:11,240 Speaker 2: but I can't speak to the development side. And over 497 00:25:11,480 --> 00:25:13,919 Speaker 2: the later part of my career, you know, I bounced 498 00:25:13,920 --> 00:25:18,240 Speaker 2: around to some different organizations. You know, I'll point out 499 00:25:18,640 --> 00:25:22,280 Speaker 2: the two organizations, one being the San Francisco Giants and 500 00:25:22,320 --> 00:25:26,240 Speaker 2: then in contrast, the Detroit Tigers. The San Francisco Giants 501 00:25:26,240 --> 00:25:29,639 Speaker 2: being a team that is a big market team, they 502 00:25:29,840 --> 00:25:32,280 Speaker 2: have invested heavily into their player development and I got 503 00:25:32,320 --> 00:25:34,400 Speaker 2: to see that firsthand. I got to see these incredible 504 00:25:34,400 --> 00:25:37,280 Speaker 2: facilities and resources that these players had. It was actually, 505 00:25:39,040 --> 00:25:40,840 Speaker 2: you know, as a as a player that came up 506 00:25:40,840 --> 00:25:43,200 Speaker 2: in a different era where it was a little bit 507 00:25:43,200 --> 00:25:45,639 Speaker 2: more hard nos you were happy to get your your 508 00:25:45,680 --> 00:25:48,480 Speaker 2: ham sandwich and your bowl of soup that you're lucky 509 00:25:48,480 --> 00:25:50,119 Speaker 2: if there was any noodles left in the broth by 510 00:25:50,160 --> 00:25:52,880 Speaker 2: the end of the day to seeing now where there's 511 00:25:52,920 --> 00:25:56,240 Speaker 2: five chefs and basically every player has their own program 512 00:25:56,280 --> 00:25:58,800 Speaker 2: and their whole team of people ensuring that each day 513 00:25:58,840 --> 00:26:01,119 Speaker 2: is as productive it can that can be for that player. 514 00:26:01,320 --> 00:26:03,800 Speaker 2: I mean, we've just seen a complete shift in the 515 00:26:03,840 --> 00:26:07,480 Speaker 2: game for the better. And and I pointed out the 516 00:26:07,520 --> 00:26:11,760 Speaker 2: Detroit Tigers in an organization that I think reminds me 517 00:26:11,800 --> 00:26:14,199 Speaker 2: of a lot of what the Cardinals are hoping to 518 00:26:14,280 --> 00:26:17,120 Speaker 2: do and making some changes. I don't think the Cardinals 519 00:26:17,119 --> 00:26:19,760 Speaker 2: were as far behind as Detroit was at the time 520 00:26:19,760 --> 00:26:21,919 Speaker 2: when they they started to make some changes in their 521 00:26:21,960 --> 00:26:25,760 Speaker 2: front office and organizationally, but they've made the changes quickly 522 00:26:25,840 --> 00:26:28,760 Speaker 2: and now we've seen the success that Detroit has had, 523 00:26:29,080 --> 00:26:32,879 Speaker 2: especially over this past year making it to the postseason 524 00:26:33,000 --> 00:26:34,760 Speaker 2: and and just being on that team and seeing the 525 00:26:34,760 --> 00:26:38,080 Speaker 2: players that have seen this transition take place, how excited 526 00:26:38,119 --> 00:26:41,199 Speaker 2: they are. And we know with these young players in 527 00:26:41,240 --> 00:26:45,480 Speaker 2: today's game, players talk right, and players talk, they compare, Hey, 528 00:26:45,480 --> 00:26:47,479 Speaker 2: what do you guys doing? What resources do you have? 529 00:26:47,600 --> 00:26:50,320 Speaker 2: And when you feel like, you know, you get a 530 00:26:50,359 --> 00:26:52,280 Speaker 2: little bit of fomo. If somebody else on the other 531 00:26:52,320 --> 00:26:54,520 Speaker 2: side of the fence has something that you've never heard of, 532 00:26:55,200 --> 00:26:57,520 Speaker 2: maybe we'll asking, well, why don't we have that. So 533 00:26:57,840 --> 00:27:00,280 Speaker 2: if I'm a young player in the Cardinals organization, if 534 00:27:00,320 --> 00:27:03,359 Speaker 2: I'm a player going into this draft and you're keeping 535 00:27:03,359 --> 00:27:05,720 Speaker 2: a pulse on what's happening in Saint Louis, I mean, 536 00:27:05,760 --> 00:27:08,879 Speaker 2: maybe you're starting to get excited if the Cardinals select you. 537 00:27:09,600 --> 00:27:13,600 Speaker 1: Yeah, you know. I'll read some comments from Bildiwitt Junior 538 00:27:13,640 --> 00:27:17,480 Speaker 1: today that I think really sum up the self recognition 539 00:27:17,560 --> 00:27:19,760 Speaker 1: finally that this organization has had. And when you are 540 00:27:19,880 --> 00:27:22,240 Speaker 1: an organization like the Saint Louis Cardinals, and you have 541 00:27:22,800 --> 00:27:27,160 Speaker 1: been once championed as really pioneers of modernizing player development, 542 00:27:27,280 --> 00:27:31,280 Speaker 1: and then you fall so far behind. The first question 543 00:27:31,400 --> 00:27:34,160 Speaker 1: is how, And I think they were honest and they said, 544 00:27:34,200 --> 00:27:37,040 Speaker 1: you know, we've tried to keep up and punch above 545 00:27:37,080 --> 00:27:40,359 Speaker 1: our weight class in trying to spend and it didn't 546 00:27:40,400 --> 00:27:41,960 Speaker 1: work for us. So we're going to go back to 547 00:27:42,000 --> 00:27:44,119 Speaker 1: what we're good at. And here here's the quote that 548 00:27:44,400 --> 00:27:47,480 Speaker 1: really grabbed my attention from Buildowitt Junior. He said, we 549 00:27:47,560 --> 00:27:49,520 Speaker 1: do what we think is best for the team current 550 00:27:49,560 --> 00:27:52,639 Speaker 1: in future. Obviously, fans have their own opinion. We've got 551 00:27:52,680 --> 00:27:55,640 Speaker 1: wonderful fans and they're knowledgeable. I think a great majority 552 00:27:55,640 --> 00:27:57,439 Speaker 1: of them understand what we're doing and improve of it. 553 00:27:57,920 --> 00:28:00,639 Speaker 1: Others don't. They think maybe we should go spend money 554 00:28:00,640 --> 00:28:02,560 Speaker 1: and see if we can get it back that way, 555 00:28:02,800 --> 00:28:05,040 Speaker 1: but it's hard to do. You have big markets that 556 00:28:05,119 --> 00:28:06,600 Speaker 1: are going to do what they do, and we're not 557 00:28:06,640 --> 00:28:08,920 Speaker 1: in a position to compete at that level of payroll. 558 00:28:09,240 --> 00:28:11,240 Speaker 1: There is a time to increase payroll and a time 559 00:28:11,280 --> 00:28:13,840 Speaker 1: to build. We're trying to balance that so we have 560 00:28:13,920 --> 00:28:17,720 Speaker 1: the opportunity to have competitive teams every year. Clearly the 561 00:28:17,800 --> 00:28:20,480 Speaker 1: Cardinals think it is time to build. And there are 562 00:28:20,520 --> 00:28:22,560 Speaker 1: so many different factors going into this. Because we've talked 563 00:28:22,560 --> 00:28:25,399 Speaker 1: a lot about the reset, the big resets, all we 564 00:28:25,440 --> 00:28:28,000 Speaker 1: talked about all winter because nothing else to but the 565 00:28:28,040 --> 00:28:31,560 Speaker 1: reset doesn't just pertain to the major league roster. We've 566 00:28:31,600 --> 00:28:35,679 Speaker 1: spoken at length to the Cardinals overhauling their player development system. 567 00:28:35,880 --> 00:28:39,720 Speaker 1: They've brought in several new staff members, several new directors, 568 00:28:39,800 --> 00:28:42,800 Speaker 1: several new coordinators, filling positions that they haven't had in 569 00:28:42,880 --> 00:28:45,240 Speaker 1: over a decade in order to jumpstart this. It's him 570 00:28:45,320 --> 00:28:49,720 Speaker 1: Bloom's baby, it's his responsibility. They're also resetting payroll, They're 571 00:28:49,760 --> 00:28:53,160 Speaker 1: resetting their revenue deals, they're TV deals, They're resetting the 572 00:28:53,160 --> 00:28:57,000 Speaker 1: game day experience. They everything about the Saint Louis Cardinals 573 00:28:57,080 --> 00:29:00,440 Speaker 1: is just a hold on start out out of it 574 00:29:00,480 --> 00:29:02,680 Speaker 1: is not going well. We need to figure it out. 575 00:29:03,360 --> 00:29:05,800 Speaker 1: And it's almost like a clean slate. That's how I'm 576 00:29:05,840 --> 00:29:08,480 Speaker 1: looking at twenty twenty five after these conversations. It's a 577 00:29:08,520 --> 00:29:11,280 Speaker 1: clean slate. And where I think fans get mad or 578 00:29:11,320 --> 00:29:14,240 Speaker 1: frustrated is the person in charge of this clean slate 579 00:29:14,600 --> 00:29:16,200 Speaker 1: is John Moza Lock and I think there's a little 580 00:29:16,240 --> 00:29:18,640 Speaker 1: bit of a lot of mo fatigue out there in 581 00:29:18,680 --> 00:29:23,240 Speaker 1: the city of Saint Louis. But again, I understand why 582 00:29:23,240 --> 00:29:27,320 Speaker 1: they're doing it this way. What I what I really 583 00:29:27,440 --> 00:29:29,480 Speaker 1: like and about the timing of the situation is that 584 00:29:29,520 --> 00:29:32,360 Speaker 1: it just makes sense because come twenty twenty six, you're 585 00:29:32,400 --> 00:29:34,200 Speaker 1: going to have a brand new front office and him 586 00:29:34,240 --> 00:29:36,440 Speaker 1: Bloom deserves to know what he's working with when he 587 00:29:36,560 --> 00:29:39,680 Speaker 1: takes over. So this year, the Cardinals are going to 588 00:29:39,680 --> 00:29:42,800 Speaker 1: figure out what they're working with and hopefully they have 589 00:29:42,880 --> 00:29:46,080 Speaker 1: a lot better product that they think that the same 590 00:29:46,160 --> 00:29:48,360 Speaker 1: level product that they think they do. Hopefully that comes 591 00:29:48,360 --> 00:29:51,080 Speaker 1: to fruition. So come twenty twenty six, this clean slate 592 00:29:51,120 --> 00:29:54,160 Speaker 1: has already allowed the next generation of the next era 593 00:29:54,200 --> 00:29:55,640 Speaker 1: of Cardinals to take. 594 00:29:55,480 --> 00:30:00,560 Speaker 2: Off very well, said Katie time a best that was 595 00:30:01,880 --> 00:30:05,000 Speaker 2: I imagine myself like if I put myself in the 596 00:30:05,080 --> 00:30:09,120 Speaker 2: Dewett family shoes like it's I obviously have would not 597 00:30:09,320 --> 00:30:12,280 Speaker 2: would have no problem spending somebody else's money. You know, 598 00:30:12,520 --> 00:30:16,600 Speaker 2: let's empty the coffers, let's bring let's bring in Pete Alonzo, 599 00:30:16,840 --> 00:30:20,480 Speaker 2: Blake Snell, let's trade let's get Max Schurzer, Let's let's 600 00:30:20,560 --> 00:30:21,680 Speaker 2: just go all over. 601 00:30:21,840 --> 00:30:24,320 Speaker 1: Very Dodgers of you. This is very Dodgers' mentality. 602 00:30:24,680 --> 00:30:27,360 Speaker 2: I think. I think it's easy to say that, and 603 00:30:27,440 --> 00:30:29,520 Speaker 2: I think a lot of people would love to dream 604 00:30:29,520 --> 00:30:32,280 Speaker 2: that and imagine where that's where that's a reality. Well, 605 00:30:32,680 --> 00:30:35,280 Speaker 2: and uh, you know out west that it is. It 606 00:30:35,360 --> 00:30:37,480 Speaker 2: is a reality. So and I guess up in the 607 00:30:37,480 --> 00:30:41,400 Speaker 2: Northeast and somewhat of a reality also. But you know, 608 00:30:41,560 --> 00:30:44,680 Speaker 2: I think that the DeWitt family has this long history 609 00:30:44,720 --> 00:30:48,440 Speaker 2: of being calculated in their decision making and they they're 610 00:30:48,480 --> 00:30:51,520 Speaker 2: they're successful for a reason. And uh again, I can't 611 00:30:51,520 --> 00:30:55,360 Speaker 2: speak to the implications of the how how I would 612 00:30:55,400 --> 00:30:59,720 Speaker 2: do operations from a financial standpoint, maybe not what wouldn't 613 00:30:59,760 --> 00:31:04,360 Speaker 2: last long a fun few years at least, who knows. 614 00:31:04,640 --> 00:31:07,680 Speaker 2: But yeah, so, like I said, well said by you, 615 00:31:07,760 --> 00:31:10,280 Speaker 2: and I think that's a really good way to picture 616 00:31:10,320 --> 00:31:10,720 Speaker 2: this year. 617 00:31:11,440 --> 00:31:14,600 Speaker 1: Well, thankfully we have things to talk about, things to 618 00:31:14,640 --> 00:31:18,840 Speaker 1: get excited for. Yeah again, three weeks before I'm down 619 00:31:18,880 --> 00:31:22,560 Speaker 1: in Jupiter and baseball season is underway. But it definitely 620 00:31:22,680 --> 00:31:26,160 Speaker 1: felt like minus the fact that it was freezing, it 621 00:31:26,200 --> 00:31:29,480 Speaker 1: was like so painfully cold, it felt like baseball. I 622 00:31:29,560 --> 00:31:32,120 Speaker 1: felt when I was walking past Bush stadium and I 623 00:31:32,160 --> 00:31:33,680 Speaker 1: was going into the media room, I was like, yeah, 624 00:31:33,680 --> 00:31:35,440 Speaker 1: it's been a minute and it's nice to be back. 625 00:31:35,560 --> 00:31:39,520 Speaker 1: So we're getting closer, Cardinals fans. Baseball season is just 626 00:31:39,600 --> 00:31:42,440 Speaker 1: along the corner, and at least we know moving forward 627 00:31:43,200 --> 00:31:46,960 Speaker 1: what direction the organization is at and as of right now, 628 00:31:47,280 --> 00:31:51,200 Speaker 1: how much everyone is on board. You can follow us 629 00:31:51,320 --> 00:31:54,360 Speaker 1: on the car Territory on Twitter, like, and subscribe to 630 00:31:54,360 --> 00:31:57,440 Speaker 1: our page on YouTube. Find us on Spotify Apple. I 631 00:31:57,440 --> 00:32:00,800 Speaker 1: will do my best to do it at read correctly. 632 00:32:01,040 --> 00:32:04,360 Speaker 1: That's gonna be my goal for episode eleven. But hey, 633 00:32:04,400 --> 00:32:06,680 Speaker 1: nobody's perfect, and as we have seen on the show 634 00:32:06,720 --> 00:32:08,680 Speaker 1: many times, you and I are no exception. 635 00:32:09,520 --> 00:32:12,160 Speaker 2: Yeah, thank you everybody for again for the positive energy 636 00:32:12,240 --> 00:32:16,440 Speaker 2: giving us feedback. Continue to do that. I mean, I'm pumped. 637 00:32:16,600 --> 00:32:19,200 Speaker 2: One thing's for certain. Katie and I are going nowhere 638 00:32:19,400 --> 00:32:22,480 Speaker 2: this year. We will be here talking about Yeah, we're 639 00:32:22,480 --> 00:32:26,160 Speaker 2: gonna be here. So you got that. Looks people should 640 00:32:26,160 --> 00:32:28,280 Speaker 2: be excited they have that to look forward to. I'm excited. 641 00:32:28,600 --> 00:32:30,720 Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, Cardinals could win seventy games, but you 642 00:32:30,800 --> 00:32:35,080 Speaker 1: got us, So there's always the positive. For Trevor Rosenthal, 643 00:32:35,080 --> 00:32:37,360 Speaker 1: I'm Katie. We will have another episode out for you 644 00:32:37,720 --> 00:32:41,800 Speaker 1: on Friday. Until then, stay safe, stay warm, and yeah, 645 00:32:41,880 --> 00:32:42,480 Speaker 1: we'll talk soon.