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<v Speaker 1>Welcome to Stuff you Should Know from how Stuff Works

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<v Speaker 1>dot Com. Hey, and welcome to the podcast. I'm Josh Clark,

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<v Speaker 1>There's Charles W Chuck Bryant, and there's Jerry Rowland. Put

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<v Speaker 1>stuff you should know? So gross, So actually, Chuck, before

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<v Speaker 1>we get started, we have a very special guest here

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<v Speaker 1>with us today, our good friend and colleague, Jack O'Brien. Yeah, so,

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<v Speaker 1>guess thanks for coming on, Jack, thanks for having me.

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<v Speaker 1>Lifelong dream, long time listener, first time caller, see Jack.

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<v Speaker 1>But all right, man, well let's get on with the episode. So, Chuck,

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<v Speaker 1>have you ever like been to a restaurant and seen

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<v Speaker 1>something that you weren't supposed to see and been like,

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<v Speaker 1>I just ate here. I used to work at restaurants,

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<v Speaker 1>as you know, and uh, you know, some of them

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<v Speaker 1>are pretty gross. I worked at a couple of myself

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<v Speaker 1>and I never saw anything that was like this is wrong,

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<v Speaker 1>but it I realized over the years that that I'm

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<v Speaker 1>in the minority in that sense. Dude. My first job

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<v Speaker 1>as a as a bus boy, that was when I

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<v Speaker 1>saw some of the most horrific things in my life,

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<v Speaker 1>mainly because they had Oh man, it was the people

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<v Speaker 1>that worked there. They were dirty folks. They were dirty folks,

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<v Speaker 1>and they were just um. They were people that didn't

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<v Speaker 1>care about their own personal health and hygiene or in

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<v Speaker 1>any way. It was all gross, gross. Gross. I saw

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<v Speaker 1>a guy one time, should I even say this, yes, please, dish,

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<v Speaker 1>and you're talking about kids working in the kitchen that

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<v Speaker 1>are gross, like drop high school dropouts, and hey, I'm

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<v Speaker 1>not knocking you. If you dropped out of high school,

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<v Speaker 1>go get that G E D and and keep at it.

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<v Speaker 1>But these were not those people. They couldn't they couldn't

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<v Speaker 1>even spell G E D. They're like, I didn't get

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<v Speaker 1>my kid. Yeah, So these people, they were gross people.

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<v Speaker 1>And I was thirteen and I couldn't speak up. I

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<v Speaker 1>didn't know, like, I'm not gonna go to the owner

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<v Speaker 1>of the restaurant at thirteen because he didn't care. But

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<v Speaker 1>I saw one of these dishwashers go into a walk

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<v Speaker 1>in cooler, and he was so mad about the schedule

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<v Speaker 1>that they put him on. He took the lid off

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<v Speaker 1>of a big, you know, fifteen gallon pot of Brunswick

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<v Speaker 1>stew and he put his his shoed foot and leg

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<v Speaker 1>into it all the way to the bottom and then

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<v Speaker 1>took it back out. And let me tell you, man,

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<v Speaker 1>those shoes. I've never had more disgusting clothing in my

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<v Speaker 1>life than the clothes that I worked in at a

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<v Speaker 1>barbecue restaurant. I know. They're like the whole reason box

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<v Speaker 1>are in business is because it's the only thing that

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<v Speaker 1>won't slide across the greasy during the floor of every

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<v Speaker 1>single restaurant in every single city in the entire world.

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<v Speaker 1>Everything about that job was disgusting. They would drop meat

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<v Speaker 1>on the ground and say good catch and laugh and

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<v Speaker 1>then pick it up off the floor. It was like

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<v Speaker 1>it was like Upton Sinclair's uh the Jungle, the Jungle,

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<v Speaker 1>like right before my little thirteen year old lines I

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<v Speaker 1>grew up on that job. In many many ways, the

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<v Speaker 1>only way that it could have been more like the

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<v Speaker 1>Jungle is if somebody actually died in the Brunswick stew

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<v Speaker 1>and they just kept him in there. It was so foul. Dude,

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<v Speaker 1>that's growdy. Man. You don't even know what our restaurant

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<v Speaker 1>inspection score was. I didn't even I saw nothing like

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<v Speaker 1>that at the restaurants I worked out. I worked at

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<v Speaker 1>a handful of them, nothing like that. Yeah, I worked

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<v Speaker 1>at a bunch more and it was nothing like that.

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<v Speaker 1>This was so that was the worst of the worst.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh my god, they're all burning in hell now. So

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<v Speaker 1>I drove by that place the other day on the

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<v Speaker 1>way to Emily's parents and in a different route. And

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<v Speaker 1>now it's like a cheat cheese a title max okay,

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<v Speaker 1>which I don't even know what that is. You com

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<v Speaker 1>pall in your car title there for extremely exorbitant interest rates.

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<v Speaker 1>Got what were the ghosts of of redknecks passed dwell

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<v Speaker 1>within those floors? Wow? Man, was the barbecue any good?

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<v Speaker 1>I guess it's a moot point, right? I still ate there,

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<v Speaker 1>Oh dude? After the shoe thing, Yeah, man, I didn't.

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<v Speaker 1>I was a kid. I didn't know. I mean, I

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<v Speaker 1>didn't have brunsicks due that day wherever. Again, I don't know.

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<v Speaker 1>I just I didn't know any better. I was dumb.

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<v Speaker 1>You ate the Brunswick stew checked in. I got a

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<v Speaker 1>lot smarter after that. Well, um, again, I've never seen

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<v Speaker 1>anything in person, but I have I've been on the

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<v Speaker 1>internet and seeing things like that guy who pete in

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<v Speaker 1>the coffee apparently every day, but I think that was

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<v Speaker 1>at an office, not a restaurant. There's like this um

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<v Speaker 1>laundry list of fingers being found in food. I saw

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<v Speaker 1>an article I think on like MPR something and it

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<v Speaker 1>was like just basically the top five times fingers were

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<v Speaker 1>found in food at restaurants and it happens a lot. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>just quickly, I should say that there. I feel bad

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<v Speaker 1>for a restaurant owners sometimes, especially at places like that

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<v Speaker 1>that it's not like some nice kind of place in town.

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<v Speaker 1>You can do all you can do, but you still

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<v Speaker 1>can't account for some little jerk employee that's mad about something,

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<v Speaker 1>that wants to spit in someone's food on camera. You

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<v Speaker 1>know you can't just you can't watch everyone the time.

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<v Speaker 1>And that's usually what is a case like that, Like

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<v Speaker 1>this dumb dishwasher kid, he just goes in the walk

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<v Speaker 1>ins is watch this right, and there's there's I saw,

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<v Speaker 1>um like there's a case to be made then for

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<v Speaker 1>not hiring young people. Yeah, you hire people who have

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<v Speaker 1>like built a a background for themselves, like a career

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<v Speaker 1>for themselves. Alright, those are called good restaurants. That's the difference. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I guess that is the difference. So in a sense

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<v Speaker 1>that it's very much the owner's fault for being a

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<v Speaker 1>cheap bastard and hiring people who put their shoed foot

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<v Speaker 1>in the Brunswick stew Um. Okay, So my point is this, chuck,

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<v Speaker 1>that the shoed foot fingers in the and and at rbs,

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<v Speaker 1>like all these little things that that are just horrible

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<v Speaker 1>and horrific and disgusting would be vastly worse and vastly

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<v Speaker 1>more frequent were it not for a lone group of people,

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<v Speaker 1>the thin blue line between us and utter chaos when

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<v Speaker 1>it comes to restaurants. The Health inspector, Yeah, this was

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<v Speaker 1>I'm so excited about this episode. Yeah, it's gonna be

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<v Speaker 1>a good one. Man, Like, I don't know when you

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<v Speaker 1>send it over, I was like, all right, but then

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<v Speaker 1>I started reading and it was interesting and awesome and

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<v Speaker 1>there's history to it. Yeah, and one of these consumer

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<v Speaker 1>advocacy shows that we loved to do. Uh, we're doing

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<v Speaker 1>our little a rough nat or impression. Man, I love

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<v Speaker 1>that guy. He's the tops. So restaurant health inspectors are

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<v Speaker 1>something of a newish invention. They're certainly not really old, UM,

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<v Speaker 1>because at least in the United States, it wasn't until

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<v Speaker 1>that book you mentioned, The Jungle was published that people

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<v Speaker 1>like really sat up and took notice, and Congress acted

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<v Speaker 1>almost immediately past the Pure Food and Drug Act the

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<v Speaker 1>next year. That's the impact that ups in Sinclair's The

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<v Speaker 1>Jungle had, Yeah, rightfully so. And in the book, I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>he went undercover. He was a muckraking journalists and God

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<v Speaker 1>bless him, and he went undercovered to basically just take

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<v Speaker 1>notes on all the horrible things he saw in the

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<v Speaker 1>in the meatpacking industry and slaughter houses, and he chronicled

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<v Speaker 1>all the inhumane things that he saw and the way

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<v Speaker 1>the animals are treated. But he also saw that in

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<v Speaker 1>humane ways the workers were treated. But this, his book

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<v Speaker 1>had this impact and UM and Congress actually acted and

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<v Speaker 1>they created the Pure Food and Drug Act. And one

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<v Speaker 1>of the things that came out of that was UM

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<v Speaker 1>what came to be known as the Food Code. And

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<v Speaker 1>the Food Code is basically like, here are the things

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<v Speaker 1>that you should be doing in your restaurant to prevent

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<v Speaker 1>from running a foul of the law or um creating

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<v Speaker 1>food borne illnesses. Yeah, and like previous to the states

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<v Speaker 1>were kind of taking care of their own health issues

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<v Speaker 1>as best they could on their own. But then when

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<v Speaker 1>when that book came out, people were like, wait a minute,

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<v Speaker 1>their shipping meat across state line. So the states aren't

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<v Speaker 1>taking care of it themselves. This meat is going out everywhere. Uh.

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<v Speaker 1>So it became a federal a federal thing to be regulated,

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<v Speaker 1>and they made a federal case what they did, and

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<v Speaker 1>along with the Pure Food and Drug Act, very importantly,

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<v Speaker 1>the Federal Meetings Action Act was passed in that same year.

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<v Speaker 1>And um, because I think everyone, I mean even back then,

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<v Speaker 1>like if you're grossed out in six then, uh, they

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<v Speaker 1>weren't as sensitive as we are today. So there was

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<v Speaker 1>some gnarly stuff going on. Dude, a guy falling into

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<v Speaker 1>like a hot dog grinder. Come on. So the food code, um,

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<v Speaker 1>the early food code that is was was sort of

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<v Speaker 1>the kind of the same stuff that we see today generally. Um,

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<v Speaker 1>we have refined everything over the years with science as

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<v Speaker 1>to what's truly dangerous and not and how it gets dangerous.

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<v Speaker 1>But even back then they were concerned about like proper

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<v Speaker 1>meat storage and food storage, and temperatures of things, and

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<v Speaker 1>the hygiene of employees and and the premises themselves. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>because you know, basically what constitutes good practices hasn't changed

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<v Speaker 1>all that much. But to to respond to changes that

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<v Speaker 1>do come about, um, that do change best practices or

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<v Speaker 1>our understanding of the science of like food board, nillessis

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<v Speaker 1>the the food Code was republished every year starting in

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<v Speaker 1>every two years they updated it and republished it. Uh,

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<v Speaker 1>and then in two thousand and one they moved it

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<v Speaker 1>to four years. But that that to me is like that, friends,

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<v Speaker 1>is the reason we pay taxes, so that there are

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<v Speaker 1>people who are going around finding out the most cutting

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<v Speaker 1>edge understanding of how we get sick from foods at restaurants,

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<v Speaker 1>and then also finding out the exact ways to prevent

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<v Speaker 1>this from happening, publishing it into a book, and distributing

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<v Speaker 1>it to the states who then put it into practice.

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<v Speaker 1>It takes money to do this kind of thing, but

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<v Speaker 1>that's why we pay taxes. And the next time somebody

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<v Speaker 1>tells you that they don't care about government regulations and

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<v Speaker 1>that we live in a n any state. You remind

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<v Speaker 1>them of what it would be like if they ate

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<v Speaker 1>out at a restaurant without this kind of stuff. Those people,

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<v Speaker 1>we don't need regulating stuff, all right, sir, Then you

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<v Speaker 1>will be eating eyeball. Right, you'll be eating human eyeball

0:14:05.760 --> 0:14:13.040
<v Speaker 1>in your next Frankfurter. I will feed it to you myself. Uh. So,

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<v Speaker 1>the food Code today, just like the very first one

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<v Speaker 1>back in UH, is voluntary. UM. It is not federal law.

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<v Speaker 1>It is still up to those states to go out

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<v Speaker 1>and write their own rules. It aligns generally with the

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<v Speaker 1>federal regulations and what the FDA recommends. UH. And then

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<v Speaker 1>it gets a little more confusing because when it comes

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<v Speaker 1>down to actual restaurant inspections, there is no federal or

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<v Speaker 1>state inspector that comes in there. It's the city or

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<v Speaker 1>the county who's going to be carrying this out, and

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<v Speaker 1>they work with the state and then in turn the

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<v Speaker 1>federal government to kind of all be on the same page. Right. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>I think it's almost kind of like the government's the

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<v Speaker 1>one who has the funding to go actually look around

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<v Speaker 1>and survey and find the science and put these best

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<v Speaker 1>practices out. But it's the county or the city where

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<v Speaker 1>the where the the rubber meets the road the shoe,

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<v Speaker 1>the shoe meets the pavement, more like where the shoe

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<v Speaker 1>meets the Brunswick stew. That's so right, and not the

0:15:12.040 --> 0:15:14.440
<v Speaker 1>Brunswick stew. That's like one of the best things I

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<v Speaker 1>had at Barbecuh. Let's take a break, shall we. I'm

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<v Speaker 1>gonna go brush my tongue with a toothbrush, okay, and

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<v Speaker 1>I'll be right back. All right, okay, and we're back

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<v Speaker 1>and chuck. Let me smell your breath. How's that? Man?

0:15:57.320 --> 0:16:02.680
<v Speaker 1>That's nice? Streen? Yeah, if I do detectives at Tom's

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<v Speaker 1>toothpaste you used no, okay, what toothpaste do you use?

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<v Speaker 1>I use Uh, I'm using Crest right now? Which one

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<v Speaker 1>the orange one? No? Yeah? So the the the color

0:16:21.000 --> 0:16:25.520
<v Speaker 1>of the packaging is orange. But the type of mint

0:16:25.600 --> 0:16:28.080
<v Speaker 1>it's like called citrus mint. But you would never if

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<v Speaker 1>you didn't see that, you wouldn't be like, oh, this

0:16:30.440 --> 0:16:33.640
<v Speaker 1>is citrus mint. It's just its own type of very

0:16:33.760 --> 0:16:38.800
<v Speaker 1>pleasant mint flavor sensation. Yeah. I just used the regular uh,

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<v Speaker 1>not not the white, but I think it's like the

0:16:40.800 --> 0:16:45.080
<v Speaker 1>blue crests right now. And pro health I think, yeah, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>pro health. And then a dude, use the listerine. Now.

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<v Speaker 1>I've been on that for a solid couple of years

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<v Speaker 1>because it's six and one six benefits in one. Why

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<v Speaker 1>are we talking about this? I don't know. Man, we're

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<v Speaker 1>not even getting paid for that. Maybe mine is Maybe

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<v Speaker 1>mine is Aqua Fresh. It's either Aqua Fresh or Crest,

0:17:05.200 --> 0:17:07.359
<v Speaker 1>which everyone makes. Citrus. Man, that's what I used. But

0:17:07.440 --> 0:17:10.880
<v Speaker 1>do you remember aim? Oh? Yeah, what was that? So

0:17:10.960 --> 0:17:13.160
<v Speaker 1>that stuff? I think it's still around. It actually doesn't

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<v Speaker 1>do anything as far as brushing your teeth goes, as

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<v Speaker 1>far as toothpaste goes. But remember it came out in

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<v Speaker 1>three different colors like green, red, and white, and it

0:17:23.400 --> 0:17:27.200
<v Speaker 1>was just pretty. But it's bad toothpaste. I don't I'm

0:17:27.240 --> 0:17:28.800
<v Speaker 1>not a big fan of it, but I love looking

0:17:28.840 --> 0:17:31.879
<v Speaker 1>at it. How about that? I remember that? All right?

0:17:31.960 --> 0:17:36.240
<v Speaker 1>So back to food inspection, now that our mouths are clean. Uh.

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<v Speaker 1>There are usually three kinds of food safety inspections. You

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<v Speaker 1>got you got your rag. The one that's done in

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<v Speaker 1>the rag, it's known as a routine inspection, and that's

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<v Speaker 1>the one where they come in. Might be every six months,

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<v Speaker 1>might be every year and a half or so, depending

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<v Speaker 1>on some stuff. We'll get to here in a bit.

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<v Speaker 1>And that's the one where you go in and you

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<v Speaker 1>just see the thing on the wall that gives it

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<v Speaker 1>the score. That's the one where you're working in the

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<v Speaker 1>restaurant hunt and the and the owner and the manager

0:18:02.800 --> 0:18:05.399
<v Speaker 1>freak out. They're like, oh God, no, no, they do

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<v Speaker 1>the second they walked through the door. Although I will

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<v Speaker 1>say in New Jersey, where I worked at the store

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<v Speaker 1>in basking Ridge, New Jersey, we were always great and

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<v Speaker 1>they took it really seriously. Every time the inspector came by,

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<v Speaker 1>they were like, come on in, and that's the way

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<v Speaker 1>it should be. A big shout out to the store

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<v Speaker 1>in basking Ridge, New Jersey. Way to go to the store.

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<v Speaker 1>That place is great and that's how. And they had

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<v Speaker 1>a restaurant group and they have like six restaurants and

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<v Speaker 1>they're all done the right way. I don't think you

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<v Speaker 1>could really have a restaurant group without approaching food inspection

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<v Speaker 1>and health standards in that way too. Yeah, I mean

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<v Speaker 1>it's just dumb, not too and from what I saw too.

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<v Speaker 1>Um we also kind of did you read that mental

0:18:42.640 --> 0:18:45.200
<v Speaker 1>fass article I sent? Yeah, So one of the things

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<v Speaker 1>it's called twelve Secrets of restaurant health inspectors. One of

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<v Speaker 1>the things they point out is that usually the bigger

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<v Speaker 1>the chain, So whether it's a restaurant group on up

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<v Speaker 1>to a global chain like you know, like one of

0:18:57.160 --> 0:19:03.560
<v Speaker 1>those guys oh wow cheeks, but um, you're probably going

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<v Speaker 1>to see something close to a hundred every time. And

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<v Speaker 1>the reason why is because they have a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>skin in the game. They have a lot to lose,

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<v Speaker 1>right if, like they pointed out with Chipotle, like there

0:19:14.800 --> 0:19:18.480
<v Speaker 1>were one or two locations of Chipotle's where um that

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<v Speaker 1>some bad cilanto got some people sick with the cool I,

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<v Speaker 1>but all Chipotle suffered as a result of people just

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<v Speaker 1>stopped going. They lost hundreds of millions of dollars and

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<v Speaker 1>um came probably pretty close to to going under there

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<v Speaker 1>for a little while. And I think they're still definitely

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<v Speaker 1>calling their way out from under it. So they don't

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<v Speaker 1>just rely on state, county, or city health inspectors. They

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<v Speaker 1>do their own. They hire their own third parties to

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<v Speaker 1>come in and and carry out health inspections much more

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<v Speaker 1>frequently than the government's doing, just to make sure that

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<v Speaker 1>they're up to standards. Yeah, so your your local fast

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<v Speaker 1>food chain is more likely to be super clean than

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<v Speaker 1>the mom and pop and in theory, but in my opinion,

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<v Speaker 1>you're also more likely going to find the kid in

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<v Speaker 1>the kitchen that goes, hey watch this. Yeah. Yeah, it's

0:20:07.320 --> 0:20:09.400
<v Speaker 1>definitely trade off, and that's that's it. Yeah, because it's

0:20:09.400 --> 0:20:11.520
<v Speaker 1>definitely not to say that, you know, mom and pop

0:20:11.520 --> 0:20:15.800
<v Speaker 1>places are are inherently unstafe. If it's a family business,

0:20:16.359 --> 0:20:18.400
<v Speaker 1>you're you have just as much skin in the game

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<v Speaker 1>as a global global restaurant chain because this is your

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<v Speaker 1>family's livelihood. So yeah, you're gonna take it seriously. So

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<v Speaker 1>getting back. The other two types of inspections real quick,

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<v Speaker 1>besides the routine are the follow up um investigation where

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<v Speaker 1>they do say like, all right, you need to fix

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<v Speaker 1>these things. I'll be back next Thursday, UM, or I'll

0:20:38.760 --> 0:20:41.800
<v Speaker 1>be back tomorrow depending on what's going on, or I'll

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<v Speaker 1>shut down your restaurant while you fix the stuff it's

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<v Speaker 1>so bad. Uh. And then their inspections that are triggered

0:20:47.640 --> 0:20:52.320
<v Speaker 1>by a consumer complaints. Yes, that's the one where they like, um,

0:20:52.640 --> 0:20:54.840
<v Speaker 1>use the bat signal, but instead of a bad it's

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<v Speaker 1>like a fork in the sky and then the restaurant

0:20:57.560 --> 0:21:00.000
<v Speaker 1>inspector swoops in. It's like I'm here. I'm here. Everybod

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<v Speaker 1>aretady calm down. Yeah. So I mentioned that people restaurants

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<v Speaker 1>will be inspected maybe every six months, maybe every year

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<v Speaker 1>a year and a half. They are. It's not willy nilly.

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<v Speaker 1>They are assessed a risk factor as an establishment by

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<v Speaker 1>the county or or the you know, whatever local municipality

0:21:17.640 --> 0:21:20.040
<v Speaker 1>is carrying this out. And that has to do with

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<v Speaker 1>a bunch of things. Um. Sometimes it's the kind of food.

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<v Speaker 1>Like if you're serving sushi, you might get inspected a

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<v Speaker 1>little more sushi shushi because you're serving raw fish. I

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<v Speaker 1>didn't say sushi that done, shushi that done today. No, no,

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<v Speaker 1>oh no, that's steep rule. Steep rule. I thought you.

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<v Speaker 1>I thought it was my tooth. Um. Or if you're

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<v Speaker 1>cooking meat or whatever, raw meat, you might get inspected

0:21:47.119 --> 0:21:50.639
<v Speaker 1>a little more than a deli that just has you know,

0:21:50.840 --> 0:21:54.440
<v Speaker 1>pre prepared meats and foods. Yeah like that. Those cold

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<v Speaker 1>cuts are already cooked. It's not like you're they're serving

0:21:56.600 --> 0:21:59.560
<v Speaker 1>you raw turkey slices like it's already cooked. They're just

0:21:59.600 --> 0:22:02.760
<v Speaker 1>putting it together onto a sandwich. That's a low risk

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<v Speaker 1>um restaurant comparatively speaking. Yeah, you know, always gets me,

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<v Speaker 1>even though I love a euro is when I see

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<v Speaker 1>the see the thing on the spit next to the

0:22:11.440 --> 0:22:15.480
<v Speaker 1>heat lamp rotating around right, I always just think, how

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<v Speaker 1>how safe is that? I would guess if it's operating

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<v Speaker 1>in the United States? Safe safe enough. That's the whole

0:22:25.359 --> 0:22:27.439
<v Speaker 1>point of restaurant inspectors, so that you don't have to

0:22:27.480 --> 0:22:29.600
<v Speaker 1>ask that question. That you can look at that and say,

0:22:29.880 --> 0:22:32.840
<v Speaker 1>somebody who knows what they're doing has inspected that and

0:22:32.920 --> 0:22:35.399
<v Speaker 1>determined that that is not a threat to my health.

0:22:35.720 --> 0:22:37.600
<v Speaker 1>Maybe it just creeps me out to look at it. No,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm with you, I understand. I also want to say,

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<v Speaker 1>there are some places where you go in and you're like,

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<v Speaker 1>this is clearly in violation of some health codes. I

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<v Speaker 1>have no idea how this place is allowed to stay

0:22:49.240 --> 0:22:52.040
<v Speaker 1>like this, but it's still worth it. And I would

0:22:52.040 --> 0:22:57.520
<v Speaker 1>direct you to Ann's, A's ghetto burger right by your house. Yeah,

0:22:57.600 --> 0:22:59.679
<v Speaker 1>that's just down the street. Yes, have you have you

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<v Speaker 1>had one? I've never had an ans because I thought

0:23:03.400 --> 0:23:05.800
<v Speaker 1>that she left and it closed. But it's still going.

0:23:05.920 --> 0:23:08.320
<v Speaker 1>Is she's still running it? You know? I don't know.

0:23:08.720 --> 0:23:12.200
<v Speaker 1>She she had been threatening to like retire for twenty years.

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<v Speaker 1>Or something. But I knew she wanted to get balled

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<v Speaker 1>out and didn't want to just close it down, So

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<v Speaker 1>hopefully she was able to retire. That's that's my hope.

0:23:20.080 --> 0:23:22.320
<v Speaker 1>But is the Wall Street Journal said it was I

0:23:22.359 --> 0:23:24.639
<v Speaker 1>think maybe the best hamburger in the United States? The

0:23:24.680 --> 0:23:28.520
<v Speaker 1>Wall Street Journal ain't lyon. You know, yes, but if

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<v Speaker 1>you go there, that's like decades worth of Greece just

0:23:33.240 --> 0:23:36.960
<v Speaker 1>on the event around the or the backsplash, like the

0:23:36.960 --> 0:23:41.120
<v Speaker 1>stainless steel backsplash or whatever splatter guard behind the griddle,

0:23:41.760 --> 0:23:44.119
<v Speaker 1>and you're like, just how does she how did she

0:23:44.160 --> 0:23:46.440
<v Speaker 1>get away with that? And then you take a bite

0:23:46.440 --> 0:23:48.920
<v Speaker 1>of it, and you're like, oh, because it matters not

0:23:49.080 --> 0:23:52.800
<v Speaker 1>at all compared to this burger. Uh, well, maybe she

0:23:53.000 --> 0:23:56.560
<v Speaker 1>is compliant, because that is the second risk factor involved

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<v Speaker 1>with how often you're gonna get inspected, which is it,

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<v Speaker 1>do you have a list of complaints or a record

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<v Speaker 1>of violations on your record, then you're gonna be on

0:24:06.240 --> 0:24:10.080
<v Speaker 1>their frequent visitor list, right, you know? Yeah? Yeah, And

0:24:10.640 --> 0:24:13.439
<v Speaker 1>especially if you've ever been the source of a food

0:24:13.440 --> 0:24:16.720
<v Speaker 1>born illness, you're on your on your you're a high

0:24:16.800 --> 0:24:20.639
<v Speaker 1>risk automatically probably permanently. Yeah, I would think so, and

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<v Speaker 1>depending on where you are, you know, like you're gonna

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<v Speaker 1>get lots of visits after that. Like that's probably aside

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<v Speaker 1>from maybe people getting shot in your restaurant, a food

0:24:32.000 --> 0:24:34.359
<v Speaker 1>boarding illness is probably the worst thing that can happen

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<v Speaker 1>in your restaurant, I would guess, um, and you know,

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<v Speaker 1>whether you're a new restaurant, well, if you're a new

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<v Speaker 1>restaurant in particular, I should say I think the standard

0:24:46.000 --> 0:24:49.320
<v Speaker 1>is is that depending on where you fall as far

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<v Speaker 1>as what kind of restaurant you are, whether you're a

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<v Speaker 1>deli serving cold cuts or a sushi place serving raw seafood,

0:24:56.359 --> 0:25:01.480
<v Speaker 1>you're assigned like an initial risk assessment, and then depending

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<v Speaker 1>on that risk assessment, if you're a sushi place, say

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<v Speaker 1>they're gonna come visit every three months for the first year,

0:25:07.400 --> 0:25:11.360
<v Speaker 1>or if you're a deli, they might come once every

0:25:11.440 --> 0:25:15.840
<v Speaker 1>year and a half. And then depending on how you

0:25:15.920 --> 0:25:20.520
<v Speaker 1>perform in those inspections, those regular routine inspections that are

0:25:20.560 --> 0:25:23.800
<v Speaker 1>basically predetermined by the type of restaurant you are, that

0:25:23.800 --> 0:25:27.160
<v Speaker 1>that schedule can either diminish or increase. So let's say

0:25:27.160 --> 0:25:31.440
<v Speaker 1>that deli is found to be in violation pretty frequently

0:25:31.760 --> 0:25:35.080
<v Speaker 1>every eighteen months, they're gonna start getting inspected every twelve

0:25:35.119 --> 0:25:37.840
<v Speaker 1>months or every six months. Where that sushi place that's

0:25:37.880 --> 0:25:40.679
<v Speaker 1>getting inspected every three months or six months. If if

0:25:40.720 --> 0:25:44.760
<v Speaker 1>it's just painfully obvious that they are top notch pros

0:25:44.760 --> 0:25:47.200
<v Speaker 1>who are taking this quite seriously and never get caught

0:25:47.240 --> 0:25:49.719
<v Speaker 1>for anything, then that three or six months may end

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<v Speaker 1>up turning into a year. Who knows. Yeah, you may

0:25:53.840 --> 0:25:57.000
<v Speaker 1>have heard reports on the news too that UM food

0:25:57.000 --> 0:26:01.280
<v Speaker 1>inspectors have racist policies where they will go after ethnic

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<v Speaker 1>restaurants more often. No, I hadn't heard that, is that right? Yeah,

0:26:04.720 --> 0:26:07.600
<v Speaker 1>I've seen I've seen reports on stuff like that that

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<v Speaker 1>they get inspected more frequently if you're like, have an

0:26:10.040 --> 0:26:13.560
<v Speaker 1>ethnic restaurant, that's pretty rotten. But there is a food

0:26:13.560 --> 0:26:16.919
<v Speaker 1>safety expert at North Carolina State named Ben Chapman that

0:26:16.920 --> 0:26:19.800
<v Speaker 1>says there's really no data to back that up. He said,

0:26:19.840 --> 0:26:24.439
<v Speaker 1>but there could be biases through consumer complaint systems. Uh.

0:26:24.720 --> 0:26:28.640
<v Speaker 1>And they did a sort of just a a snapshot

0:26:29.160 --> 0:26:33.440
<v Speaker 1>from Yelp reviews, which say what you want about Yelp reviews,

0:26:33.800 --> 0:26:38.480
<v Speaker 1>they're pretty much the worst thing ever, right, But if

0:26:38.480 --> 0:26:41.600
<v Speaker 1>you look at Yelp reviews, you do a search for

0:26:41.680 --> 0:26:44.960
<v Speaker 1>food poisoning, and close to seventy of the time they

0:26:44.960 --> 0:26:48.639
<v Speaker 1>were ethnic restaurants where people complained about food poisoning. So

0:26:48.880 --> 0:26:52.000
<v Speaker 1>I see, this food is weird. It is possible recognize

0:26:52.000 --> 0:26:55.040
<v Speaker 1>it that some bias comes in through that. But that

0:26:55.119 --> 0:26:58.199
<v Speaker 1>makes sense. Then chuck like if if if yelp is

0:26:58.520 --> 0:27:02.880
<v Speaker 1>um a proxy for the number of times somebody might

0:27:03.040 --> 0:27:07.359
<v Speaker 1>call in um a complaint. That's one of the ways

0:27:07.400 --> 0:27:09.720
<v Speaker 1>that the food inspector goes out to inspect a restaurant

0:27:09.760 --> 0:27:11.879
<v Speaker 1>is when somebody the public, said, you know, calls and

0:27:11.920 --> 0:27:16.479
<v Speaker 1>says something or complaints. UM. So I mean that that

0:27:16.520 --> 0:27:20.240
<v Speaker 1>makes utter, in complete sense. Um, have you ever called

0:27:20.280 --> 0:27:22.040
<v Speaker 1>and complained about a restaurant? Have you ever called the

0:27:22.040 --> 0:27:25.800
<v Speaker 1>health department? I never have either, and they're actually after

0:27:25.920 --> 0:27:29.440
<v Speaker 1>researching this article, I was like, there, I can think

0:27:29.480 --> 0:27:31.080
<v Speaker 1>of it. At least one time when I could have

0:27:31.480 --> 0:27:36.040
<v Speaker 1>and should have called just got undercooked chicken and um,

0:27:36.119 --> 0:27:38.320
<v Speaker 1>you mean I both got very sick for like the

0:27:38.359 --> 0:27:42.280
<v Speaker 1>whole weekend, and I kept calling this place like like,

0:27:42.320 --> 0:27:43.720
<v Speaker 1>what are you guys gonna do about? Is you have

0:27:43.760 --> 0:27:47.439
<v Speaker 1>to do something? And um, they just got less and

0:27:47.520 --> 0:27:50.439
<v Speaker 1>less interested the more frequently I called him by the

0:27:50.880 --> 0:27:53.320
<v Speaker 1>by like the fourth or fifth time, was like, we're

0:27:53.320 --> 0:27:55.720
<v Speaker 1>still suffering. I just wanted to let you know we're

0:27:55.840 --> 0:27:59.439
<v Speaker 1>laying around throwing up. And they didn't do anything about it.

0:28:00.200 --> 0:28:04.120
<v Speaker 1>There was no, um, we're sorry that that. I think

0:28:04.160 --> 0:28:06.400
<v Speaker 1>they actually didn't believe me. Maybe, But now that I've

0:28:06.400 --> 0:28:08.320
<v Speaker 1>read this, so I'm like, I totally should have called

0:28:08.359 --> 0:28:11.520
<v Speaker 1>the health department on those guys. It was in Atlanta,

0:28:11.760 --> 0:28:14.600
<v Speaker 1>I think I remember that. Actually we got so we

0:28:14.600 --> 0:28:19.720
<v Speaker 1>were sick for an entire week, yes, right across from

0:28:20.000 --> 0:28:23.920
<v Speaker 1>where we used to work actually, and they could not

0:28:24.040 --> 0:28:26.719
<v Speaker 1>have cared less. And that's what ticked me off. Oh

0:28:26.760 --> 0:28:29.200
<v Speaker 1>you were calling the restaurant over, yes, yeah, yeah, yeah,

0:28:29.240 --> 0:28:31.760
<v Speaker 1>I thought you called the health inspector over. But now

0:28:31.960 --> 0:28:34.040
<v Speaker 1>now I'm like, why wouldn't Why didn't we just call

0:28:34.119 --> 0:28:36.760
<v Speaker 1>it health inspector? Now I would call for sure, now

0:28:36.760 --> 0:28:41.000
<v Speaker 1>that I've done this research, because it's not like like

0:28:41.080 --> 0:28:44.360
<v Speaker 1>what you're doing is helping other people from from the before,

0:28:44.560 --> 0:28:47.440
<v Speaker 1>from the same fate befalling. Yeah, you're not being a rat, right,

0:28:49.040 --> 0:28:51.280
<v Speaker 1>which is another thing that health inspectors look out for.

0:28:52.040 --> 0:28:54.000
<v Speaker 1>All right, well let's talk about that. When you when

0:28:55.240 --> 0:28:58.480
<v Speaker 1>this is how that this goes down. They're unannounced visits.

0:28:58.520 --> 0:29:02.600
<v Speaker 1>Like I said, so I've worked at UM. I've worked

0:29:02.600 --> 0:29:05.480
<v Speaker 1>it I don't know, like probably four or five places

0:29:05.480 --> 0:29:08.440
<v Speaker 1>over the years, and two of them were pretty bad.

0:29:08.920 --> 0:29:10.960
<v Speaker 1>The aforementioned barbecue place and then where I worked in

0:29:11.000 --> 0:29:14.640
<v Speaker 1>college wasn't terrible, but it wasn't great. It was a

0:29:14.680 --> 0:29:20.960
<v Speaker 1>typical like college town Mexican joint UM, but it wasn't

0:29:21.000 --> 0:29:23.440
<v Speaker 1>like the super professional other restaurants that I've worked at.

0:29:23.880 --> 0:29:27.160
<v Speaker 1>But in those first two places, I remember when the

0:29:27.320 --> 0:29:31.040
<v Speaker 1>restaurant inspector walked through the door, a panic set in. UH.

0:29:31.120 --> 0:29:34.760
<v Speaker 1>Invariably the one of the like the GM or whoever

0:29:34.800 --> 0:29:39.560
<v Speaker 1>the manager was, would immediately confront UH in a nice

0:29:39.680 --> 0:29:43.640
<v Speaker 1>not confront but greet the person and send you know,

0:29:43.880 --> 0:29:46.920
<v Speaker 1>the understanding was someone go back to the kitchen and

0:29:46.960 --> 0:29:50.760
<v Speaker 1>tell everyone that the inspector is here. And judging from

0:29:50.760 --> 0:29:54.120
<v Speaker 1>that Mental Floss article you sent, that's exactly how it works.

0:29:54.200 --> 0:29:56.560
<v Speaker 1>And for that reason, the very first thing a good

0:29:56.600 --> 0:29:59.760
<v Speaker 1>health inspector does is kind of barged through there and

0:29:59.800 --> 0:30:03.200
<v Speaker 1>say I'm going straight into the kitchen right the second right,

0:30:03.200 --> 0:30:05.840
<v Speaker 1>because they know what's going on, right, that's they have

0:30:06.000 --> 0:30:09.280
<v Speaker 1>to or else a whole bunch of violations get covered

0:30:09.320 --> 0:30:12.920
<v Speaker 1>up really quickly, very quickly, And so in that mental

0:30:12.920 --> 0:30:15.440
<v Speaker 1>Flass article, basically they said they needed to do like

0:30:15.560 --> 0:30:19.720
<v Speaker 1>a a brisk like run walk through the kitchen as

0:30:19.720 --> 0:30:25.040
<v Speaker 1>fast as they could. But it's also you you scals,

0:30:25.120 --> 0:30:27.400
<v Speaker 1>like what do you do and like just stand there

0:30:27.440 --> 0:30:29.400
<v Speaker 1>and freeze. That's what they should do, is be like

0:30:29.440 --> 0:30:32.960
<v Speaker 1>everybody phrase and then like have their finger and thumb

0:30:32.960 --> 0:30:35.200
<v Speaker 1>in the shape of a gun because I don't think

0:30:35.240 --> 0:30:37.800
<v Speaker 1>they're allowed to actually carry guns. Well, this one health

0:30:37.800 --> 0:30:39.720
<v Speaker 1>inspector in the Mental Flass things said, we want to

0:30:39.720 --> 0:30:42.440
<v Speaker 1>see the things that won't be there in another three

0:30:42.440 --> 0:30:46.680
<v Speaker 1>to four minutes. But that's the thing. But I mean

0:30:46.680 --> 0:30:49.600
<v Speaker 1>it could be anything like there's there's like, um, if

0:30:49.680 --> 0:30:52.960
<v Speaker 1>you are sitting there making food and you have like

0:30:53.000 --> 0:30:57.560
<v Speaker 1>a cup of coke, right, you're not supposed to have

0:30:57.640 --> 0:30:59.800
<v Speaker 1>that there or in your cell phone in the kitchen.

0:31:00.000 --> 0:31:02.200
<v Speaker 1>It's another big one. I'll bet that is probably the

0:31:02.360 --> 0:31:07.680
<v Speaker 1>most frequent violation today. They're covered in poop. Do you

0:31:07.680 --> 0:31:09.360
<v Speaker 1>ever see something like if I have you ever just

0:31:09.400 --> 0:31:11.400
<v Speaker 1>stopped and looked at people on the street like with

0:31:11.440 --> 0:31:15.400
<v Speaker 1>their phones, like they'll just be stopped mid something like

0:31:15.440 --> 0:31:17.960
<v Speaker 1>they have like a shovel like propped up against their

0:31:18.000 --> 0:31:20.560
<v Speaker 1>their shoulder, just looking at their phone with their mouth

0:31:20.600 --> 0:31:23.320
<v Speaker 1>hanging open, and it's like crazy, we're turning into like

0:31:23.360 --> 0:31:26.680
<v Speaker 1>a society of zombies. Man, how do you stare at

0:31:26.680 --> 0:31:28.080
<v Speaker 1>your phone? I've seen you do that. You do it

0:31:28.280 --> 0:31:30.800
<v Speaker 1>in a smarter looking like I do the thing where

0:31:30.800 --> 0:31:36.000
<v Speaker 1>I'm like stroking my chin thoughtfully. I've got like one

0:31:36.040 --> 0:31:40.600
<v Speaker 1>eyebrow arch Alright, So the first thing they inspect, obviously

0:31:40.600 --> 0:31:43.480
<v Speaker 1>the kitchen. The the manager or the owner or whoever

0:31:43.600 --> 0:31:46.520
<v Speaker 1>is there on point is with the inspector the whole time,

0:31:47.520 --> 0:31:51.040
<v Speaker 1>because they're saying like hey, like little things like that

0:31:51.200 --> 0:31:53.320
<v Speaker 1>catchup bottles disgusting, Like why don't you go ahead and

0:31:53.320 --> 0:31:55.960
<v Speaker 1>have someone clean it up? And I won't dock your point,

0:31:56.680 --> 0:31:58.400
<v Speaker 1>but just get it clean. And the guy wipes it

0:31:58.440 --> 0:32:00.360
<v Speaker 1>down and he's like, no, that brand. It's so we

0:32:00.520 --> 0:32:04.320
<v Speaker 1>get some hinds in heresgusting. But the first thing they

0:32:04.360 --> 0:32:07.880
<v Speaker 1>inspect or the dynamic areas, which are the kitchen food

0:32:07.880 --> 0:32:15.240
<v Speaker 1>preparation areas. UM basically anywhere where there's food actively out

0:32:15.440 --> 0:32:19.120
<v Speaker 1>is the first place they'll go, right, That's that's the

0:32:19.840 --> 0:32:23.280
<v Speaker 1>static area dynamics. The dynamic okay, and then you start

0:32:23.280 --> 0:32:24.520
<v Speaker 1>with the hundred points. By the way, I don't know

0:32:24.520 --> 0:32:27.360
<v Speaker 1>if we mentioned that, which I think is kind of optimistic.

0:32:27.400 --> 0:32:29.800
<v Speaker 1>It's saying like, I want to believe the best in you.

0:32:30.960 --> 0:32:33.480
<v Speaker 1>So everybody starts with a hundred and then we start

0:32:33.520 --> 0:32:37.000
<v Speaker 1>deducting from there. Yeah, then it just gets sad. So Um.

0:32:37.080 --> 0:32:39.960
<v Speaker 1>One of the first things they're looking for is employee

0:32:40.040 --> 0:32:42.880
<v Speaker 1>hygiene because remember what you mentioned, like way back and

0:32:43.040 --> 0:32:45.280
<v Speaker 1>when the Food and Drug Act was created, the Food

0:32:45.280 --> 0:32:49.080
<v Speaker 1>Code was first established. Um, there were a lot of

0:32:49.120 --> 0:32:51.960
<v Speaker 1>basic tenants that were put forth back then, and one

0:32:51.960 --> 0:32:54.240
<v Speaker 1>of them was, you're the people who cook the food

0:32:54.360 --> 0:32:57.040
<v Speaker 1>need to be clean as a whistle. And that's one

0:32:57.080 --> 0:32:59.520
<v Speaker 1>of the big things that the health inspectors looking for,

0:32:59.600 --> 0:33:02.560
<v Speaker 1>like are they wearing gloves, which, by the way, is

0:33:02.600 --> 0:33:05.360
<v Speaker 1>not to say that if an employees wearing gloves that

0:33:05.520 --> 0:33:09.640
<v Speaker 1>you're totally covered. Um, the gloves are supposed to be

0:33:09.640 --> 0:33:13.000
<v Speaker 1>a fail safe to good hand washing, So you want

0:33:13.000 --> 0:33:15.760
<v Speaker 1>them to be washing their hands very frequently and then

0:33:15.800 --> 0:33:17.840
<v Speaker 1>wearing gloves on top of that, but then on top

0:33:17.880 --> 0:33:20.960
<v Speaker 1>of that not doing things like like using their cell

0:33:21.040 --> 0:33:24.960
<v Speaker 1>phone with the gloves on because you've just automatically contaminated

0:33:25.000 --> 0:33:28.080
<v Speaker 1>them and totally defeated the purpose of using gloves at

0:33:28.120 --> 0:33:31.240
<v Speaker 1>that point. Right, So there's a lot of hygiene things

0:33:31.280 --> 0:33:34.920
<v Speaker 1>that are are being taken into account. But how do

0:33:34.960 --> 0:33:38.320
<v Speaker 1>you how do you tell whether people are washing their

0:33:38.360 --> 0:33:41.360
<v Speaker 1>hands when you're just walking into a kitchen. Of course

0:33:41.360 --> 0:33:43.000
<v Speaker 1>they're going to wash their hands in front of you

0:33:43.040 --> 0:33:44.840
<v Speaker 1>and the way that they're supposed to be, but how

0:33:44.840 --> 0:33:47.960
<v Speaker 1>do you know they're doing it routinely? Chuck? Well, yeah,

0:33:48.000 --> 0:33:49.680
<v Speaker 1>and we should say that there is a way you're

0:33:49.680 --> 0:33:52.360
<v Speaker 1>supposed to wash the hands. You don't rinse them off

0:33:52.440 --> 0:33:54.200
<v Speaker 1>and just dry them with the towel that's sitting by

0:33:54.240 --> 0:33:57.280
<v Speaker 1>the sink or just below on them. You rents, You

0:33:57.360 --> 0:34:00.160
<v Speaker 1>put on the soap, you scrub for twenty seconds, then

0:34:00.200 --> 0:34:04.160
<v Speaker 1>you dry off with a one use towel and good old,

0:34:04.360 --> 0:34:09.040
<v Speaker 1>unsustainable made out of tree paper towel. Uh yeah, Or

0:34:09.040 --> 0:34:10.799
<v Speaker 1>if you're a really fancy restaurant, you can just have

0:34:10.880 --> 0:34:13.040
<v Speaker 1>like cashmere towels laying around as long as you faw

0:34:13.040 --> 0:34:15.920
<v Speaker 1>them away afterwards. Right, you have to go away. But

0:34:16.239 --> 0:34:18.000
<v Speaker 1>you're a little trick. I know where you were leading.

0:34:18.280 --> 0:34:21.400
<v Speaker 1>How you can tell is this one very crafty restaurant

0:34:21.400 --> 0:34:24.080
<v Speaker 1>inspector in the middle Flass article said, they go in

0:34:24.120 --> 0:34:26.120
<v Speaker 1>the first thing they do because it takes them a

0:34:26.160 --> 0:34:28.200
<v Speaker 1>couple of hours at a just sort of a normal

0:34:28.200 --> 0:34:31.640
<v Speaker 1>size restaurant, um, four or five hours at a big

0:34:31.840 --> 0:34:35.200
<v Speaker 1>hotel restaurant. He said, he puts an X on the

0:34:35.200 --> 0:34:38.759
<v Speaker 1>paper towels, and if he goes back at the end

0:34:38.800 --> 0:34:41.160
<v Speaker 1>of his inspection and that X is still in the

0:34:41.200 --> 0:34:44.759
<v Speaker 1>paper towel, then he knows hands are not being washed. Right,

0:34:45.080 --> 0:34:49.080
<v Speaker 1>very sneaking, pretty clever. Yeah, uh so, I guess we

0:34:49.160 --> 0:34:51.000
<v Speaker 1>just gave it away though, So now all the people

0:34:51.040 --> 0:34:53.200
<v Speaker 1>are going to go check their paper towel rolls. There

0:34:53.200 --> 0:34:56.400
<v Speaker 1>are other ways. Um, yeah, that was just a setup

0:34:56.400 --> 0:35:00.160
<v Speaker 1>to nudge them into the actual way he's telling, like

0:35:00.200 --> 0:35:03.520
<v Speaker 1>wash your hands. Um. Food is another big one too, Right.

0:35:03.600 --> 0:35:05.480
<v Speaker 1>You want to make sure that the food is being

0:35:05.840 --> 0:35:09.040
<v Speaker 1>properly stored and properly cooked. And apparently there is a

0:35:09.160 --> 0:35:14.239
<v Speaker 1>danger zone um between I think like zero and a

0:35:14.320 --> 0:35:18.120
<v Speaker 1>hundred and forty that you want to hit or that

0:35:18.200 --> 0:35:21.359
<v Speaker 1>you want to stay outside of. So basically you want

0:35:21.400 --> 0:35:26.480
<v Speaker 1>your food, especially like um, raw meat, to be stored

0:35:26.520 --> 0:35:30.040
<v Speaker 1>at a temperature frozen, right or else kept at forty

0:35:30.040 --> 0:35:34.120
<v Speaker 1>degrees fairheight four degrees celsius or below for fridges. Um,

0:35:34.160 --> 0:35:36.000
<v Speaker 1>And then when you cook it, you have to cook

0:35:36.040 --> 0:35:38.920
<v Speaker 1>it to at least a hundred and sixty degrees internal

0:35:38.920 --> 0:35:42.200
<v Speaker 1>temperature for beef, pork, all those guys, and then a

0:35:42.280 --> 0:35:44.920
<v Speaker 1>hundred forty five for fish. And if a restaurant is

0:35:44.920 --> 0:35:47.080
<v Speaker 1>not doing that, that's a big that's a big one,

0:35:47.280 --> 0:35:49.640
<v Speaker 1>as we'll see. Yeah, I mean, the best way to

0:35:49.640 --> 0:35:53.960
<v Speaker 1>think about food storage is without getting into the specific temperatures.

0:35:54.120 --> 0:35:57.560
<v Speaker 1>Is if it's supposed to be cold or frozen, it

0:35:57.600 --> 0:35:59.840
<v Speaker 1>should be cold or frozen. If it's supposed to be

0:36:00.239 --> 0:36:03.359
<v Speaker 1>it should be hot. Is that middle ground is where

0:36:03.360 --> 0:36:07.200
<v Speaker 1>you're in big trouble exactly. They talked about lukewarm being

0:36:07.239 --> 0:36:11.960
<v Speaker 1>the big enemy, right, not not that's never good lukewarm.

0:36:12.239 --> 0:36:14.480
<v Speaker 1>I'm trying to think of a time when lukewarm is

0:36:14.480 --> 0:36:20.080
<v Speaker 1>preferable with anything. Um, it just sounds gross. I like

0:36:20.160 --> 0:36:23.440
<v Speaker 1>my food really hot too. Yeah. Like, that's the one

0:36:23.480 --> 0:36:26.880
<v Speaker 1>thing I will send something back is if it's was

0:36:26.920 --> 0:36:29.120
<v Speaker 1>clearly made a little earlier than the rest of the

0:36:29.160 --> 0:36:31.800
<v Speaker 1>party at the table and it's sort of lukewarm, I

0:36:31.920 --> 0:36:34.040
<v Speaker 1>might no, man, I want I want steam coming off

0:36:34.040 --> 0:36:38.680
<v Speaker 1>this thing. Yeah, yeah, yeah they do, and then they're like, oh,

0:36:38.760 --> 0:36:40.560
<v Speaker 1>I guess you want a little spit on that too.

0:36:41.320 --> 0:36:45.560
<v Speaker 1>Apparently soup should be uh Like, the way you reheat

0:36:45.600 --> 0:36:48.240
<v Speaker 1>things is a big deal because obviously that Brunswick sto.

0:36:48.680 --> 0:36:50.080
<v Speaker 1>You don't just throw it out every night. You put

0:36:50.120 --> 0:36:52.560
<v Speaker 1>it back in the walk in so some jerk can

0:36:52.600 --> 0:36:56.600
<v Speaker 1>step in it. But when you bring soups and brawls

0:36:56.680 --> 0:37:00.880
<v Speaker 1>back uh to heat, you have to reboil them entirely

0:37:01.719 --> 0:37:05.359
<v Speaker 1>right from their refrigerated state, which makes sense, but that's

0:37:05.440 --> 0:37:09.520
<v Speaker 1>never very good for um food. If it's already prepared

0:37:09.560 --> 0:37:13.239
<v Speaker 1>once you reboil it, that's that's probably you're just gonna

0:37:13.280 --> 0:37:17.000
<v Speaker 1>want to throw that away then, yeah, man, it toughens

0:37:17.040 --> 0:37:19.839
<v Speaker 1>everything up, or else it overcooks it. It's already been

0:37:19.880 --> 0:37:21.680
<v Speaker 1>cooked once, so when you bring it to a boil,

0:37:21.760 --> 0:37:25.560
<v Speaker 1>you're really cooking it again. And for food boorn illnesses,

0:37:25.640 --> 0:37:27.800
<v Speaker 1>that's a good way to treat it, but it doesn't

0:37:27.840 --> 0:37:31.000
<v Speaker 1>necessarily make for the most appetizing food. All Right. I

0:37:31.040 --> 0:37:32.600
<v Speaker 1>don't know if I agree with that, but that's all right,

0:37:32.840 --> 0:37:35.479
<v Speaker 1>that's what I'm going with. Uh, frozen meat, you don't

0:37:35.520 --> 0:37:40.160
<v Speaker 1>just say, hey, Jimmy, throw that frozen bird out on

0:37:40.160 --> 0:37:43.200
<v Speaker 1>the table and leave it there until this evening. Right.

0:37:43.320 --> 0:37:45.080
<v Speaker 1>But you don't just leave food out to thaw there.

0:37:45.120 --> 0:37:48.439
<v Speaker 1>There are proper ways of following and bringing things back

0:37:48.520 --> 0:37:51.200
<v Speaker 1>to the correct temperature. Right. And then so let's say

0:37:51.239 --> 0:37:54.000
<v Speaker 1>you have a place where you're cutting up that thowed

0:37:54.120 --> 0:37:58.080
<v Speaker 1>chicken that was properly thought um, and then you set

0:37:58.120 --> 0:38:00.360
<v Speaker 1>the knife down and somebody else picks it up and

0:38:00.400 --> 0:38:04.520
<v Speaker 1>they start cutting lettuce with it. That's cross contamination. That

0:38:04.719 --> 0:38:08.600
<v Speaker 1>is extremely dangerous because as you know, very few people

0:38:08.680 --> 0:38:11.160
<v Speaker 1>cook their lettuce before they eat it in a salad.

0:38:11.200 --> 0:38:13.800
<v Speaker 1>It's raw and so now it has raw chicken juice

0:38:14.080 --> 0:38:16.520
<v Speaker 1>on the lettuce that you're eating raw and uncooked, and

0:38:16.600 --> 0:38:19.960
<v Speaker 1>you can die from that. UM. So cross contamination is

0:38:19.960 --> 0:38:22.799
<v Speaker 1>a big one they look for. They also UM it

0:38:22.840 --> 0:38:25.640
<v Speaker 1>can be a little more simple, like with something like

0:38:25.760 --> 0:38:28.600
<v Speaker 1>UM silverware. From what I saw, if the silverware is

0:38:28.760 --> 0:38:33.200
<v Speaker 1>dirty or smudgy, UM, that is a big problem because

0:38:33.760 --> 0:38:37.359
<v Speaker 1>that means usually that the whole kitchen is dirty. There's

0:38:37.400 --> 0:38:39.719
<v Speaker 1>a lot of that's like a big red flag that UM.

0:38:39.760 --> 0:38:43.440
<v Speaker 1>Apparently health health inspectors will will tell you that if

0:38:43.480 --> 0:38:45.880
<v Speaker 1>the silver ware is dirty. It usually is indicative of

0:38:45.960 --> 0:38:49.800
<v Speaker 1>just a dirty restaurant in general. Um. And I've always

0:38:49.800 --> 0:38:51.719
<v Speaker 1>heard I don't know if it's an urban legend or not,

0:38:52.440 --> 0:38:56.080
<v Speaker 1>but uh, you know, like the just the plastic soda

0:38:56.120 --> 0:39:00.000
<v Speaker 1>cups that like a lot of restaurants will have. Um,

0:39:00.160 --> 0:39:04.120
<v Speaker 1>have you ever heard that it's not possible for them

0:39:04.200 --> 0:39:08.640
<v Speaker 1>to get to the temperature needed to kill any bacteria

0:39:08.719 --> 0:39:12.040
<v Speaker 1>on them, because they'll melt otherwise, so that when you

0:39:12.120 --> 0:39:16.680
<v Speaker 1>drink out of them, they've not really been sanitized from before.

0:39:17.600 --> 0:39:19.440
<v Speaker 1>I have not heard that. But as as someone who

0:39:19.480 --> 0:39:22.359
<v Speaker 1>has worked as a dishwasher, you don't say, well, I'm

0:39:22.360 --> 0:39:25.279
<v Speaker 1>going to watch these things that this temperature you just

0:39:25.280 --> 0:39:28.000
<v Speaker 1>throw everything through there. Yeah, you don't have any choice

0:39:28.000 --> 0:39:30.400
<v Speaker 1>in what temperatures. It's all prescribed for you. You're just

0:39:30.440 --> 0:39:32.640
<v Speaker 1>basically putting them on the tray and sliding them through,

0:39:32.680 --> 0:39:34.640
<v Speaker 1>pulling the door down, and then it washes them and

0:39:34.680 --> 0:39:37.040
<v Speaker 1>you lift the door up and pull them out. Yes,

0:39:37.160 --> 0:39:38.719
<v Speaker 1>and I will say one of my dreams that is

0:39:38.760 --> 0:39:40.640
<v Speaker 1>to have one of those in my home. Those I

0:39:40.640 --> 0:39:43.919
<v Speaker 1>can't remember what they're called, but they're wonderful. It's pretty great. Yeah,

0:39:44.120 --> 0:39:47.440
<v Speaker 1>it just watches everything like super fast. So that's the

0:39:47.520 --> 0:39:51.439
<v Speaker 1>dynamic areas, right. There's also the static areas, where it's

0:39:51.480 --> 0:39:54.560
<v Speaker 1>things like, um, well, the dish washing area actually apparently

0:39:54.640 --> 0:39:57.680
<v Speaker 1>is a static area doesn't change very much. Um where

0:39:57.680 --> 0:40:01.440
<v Speaker 1>you store cleaning products that kind of stuff. I guess

0:40:01.440 --> 0:40:04.279
<v Speaker 1>you get points deducted if you're cleaning products or your

0:40:04.320 --> 0:40:09.720
<v Speaker 1>toxic chemicals are not in there marked original package, because

0:40:10.040 --> 0:40:12.800
<v Speaker 1>you could they can be mistaken for oil and vinegar

0:40:12.880 --> 0:40:15.880
<v Speaker 1>or something like that. Yeah, and they're gonna check. The

0:40:15.920 --> 0:40:18.080
<v Speaker 1>static areas include a lot of things that you don't

0:40:18.080 --> 0:40:21.279
<v Speaker 1>think would even fall into the purview of a restaurant inspector.

0:40:21.520 --> 0:40:24.120
<v Speaker 1>They're gonna look at your HVAC systems and your bents

0:40:24.160 --> 0:40:27.440
<v Speaker 1>and your smoke detectors. Uh, they're gonna look at your

0:40:27.480 --> 0:40:29.839
<v Speaker 1>dining room and the floors and the ceilings, and your

0:40:29.880 --> 0:40:33.919
<v Speaker 1>ceiling vans and your dumpster behind and then your grease trap.

0:40:34.160 --> 0:40:37.600
<v Speaker 1>Like they look at everything, right, which is good. And

0:40:37.640 --> 0:40:39.920
<v Speaker 1>another one that they take a look at that I

0:40:39.960 --> 0:40:42.840
<v Speaker 1>think is probably a big problem for restaurants in a

0:40:42.920 --> 0:40:46.719
<v Speaker 1>lot of ways are ice machines. Um. The there's a

0:40:46.719 --> 0:40:49.239
<v Speaker 1>lot of parts to ice machines that are out of view.

0:40:49.440 --> 0:40:52.120
<v Speaker 1>This thing scared me in mental flaws. Now that can

0:40:52.239 --> 0:40:56.080
<v Speaker 1>like grow mold pretty easy, and not just the ice

0:40:56.200 --> 0:40:58.759
<v Speaker 1>machine right where they're like scooping ice out, which is

0:40:58.800 --> 0:41:03.200
<v Speaker 1>another thing too, Like there better be an ice scoop right, Um,

0:41:03.239 --> 0:41:06.200
<v Speaker 1>it can grow mold in the ice machine. But also

0:41:06.320 --> 0:41:09.040
<v Speaker 1>those shoots where ice comes out of like a like

0:41:09.080 --> 0:41:14.160
<v Speaker 1>a beverage dispenser, those are usually serviced by the company

0:41:14.200 --> 0:41:18.239
<v Speaker 1>that that makes the beverages that it's dispensing, and so

0:41:18.320 --> 0:41:20.480
<v Speaker 1>it would be up to that company to clean those out,

0:41:20.520 --> 0:41:23.160
<v Speaker 1>which means that they get even less attention than the

0:41:23.200 --> 0:41:26.240
<v Speaker 1>rest of the restaurant. So the next time you're getting

0:41:26.280 --> 0:41:29.520
<v Speaker 1>like ice out of beverage dispenser, like get your flashlight

0:41:29.520 --> 0:41:32.480
<v Speaker 1>out of your pocket and look up there, uh and

0:41:32.520 --> 0:41:35.040
<v Speaker 1>see if you see any mold and then just raise

0:41:35.200 --> 0:41:37.400
<v Speaker 1>holy hell if you do. Yeah. And I'm not a

0:41:37.400 --> 0:41:41.280
<v Speaker 1>big fan of the serve yourself soft drink stations anyway,

0:41:42.080 --> 0:41:43.920
<v Speaker 1>for you know, out there with the public. I don't

0:41:43.920 --> 0:41:48.480
<v Speaker 1>think the public should ever have access to something. That's why,

0:41:48.719 --> 0:41:51.279
<v Speaker 1>well that's not the reason, but buffets are just so

0:41:51.320 --> 0:41:53.160
<v Speaker 1>gross and creepy. I haven't been to a buffet, and

0:41:53.680 --> 0:41:56.360
<v Speaker 1>good lord, I don't know twenty years, but you should

0:41:57.320 --> 0:41:58.719
<v Speaker 1>the thought of a buffet. I know they have the

0:41:58.760 --> 0:42:03.560
<v Speaker 1>sneeze guard, but uh, people like scooping in and serving

0:42:03.600 --> 0:42:07.440
<v Speaker 1>themselves their own food from a drough is so weird

0:42:07.600 --> 0:42:11.080
<v Speaker 1>and gross an archaic that I can't believe people still

0:42:11.160 --> 0:42:13.600
<v Speaker 1>do that. Well. I mean also, like even if you're

0:42:13.680 --> 0:42:18.240
<v Speaker 1>using like a spoon, like a serving spoon to scoop

0:42:18.320 --> 0:42:22.279
<v Speaker 1>something out, so did the person before you, right, And

0:42:22.440 --> 0:42:24.560
<v Speaker 1>that means you're touching the safe serving spoon and then

0:42:24.600 --> 0:42:26.920
<v Speaker 1>going back and using your hands to go eat. So

0:42:27.080 --> 0:42:30.480
<v Speaker 1>you just touched whatever the other person had on their hands,

0:42:30.600 --> 0:42:32.879
<v Speaker 1>and now you're coming in contact with your mouth. It's

0:42:32.880 --> 0:42:35.560
<v Speaker 1>a flawed system, for sure. It is, because what you're

0:42:35.600 --> 0:42:39.480
<v Speaker 1>saying is, I'm going to count on the three hundred

0:42:39.560 --> 0:42:42.680
<v Speaker 1>people that have eaten here today before me are all

0:42:42.719 --> 0:42:47.280
<v Speaker 1>completely hygienic. All their hands have been washed. Yeah, Timothy,

0:42:47.320 --> 0:42:49.720
<v Speaker 1>poop hands isn't among them. No one did a single

0:42:49.760 --> 0:42:53.520
<v Speaker 1>gross thing, like if a tater tot fell off the spoon,

0:42:53.880 --> 0:42:56.920
<v Speaker 1>flicked it back in with their finger, Like, no one

0:42:56.960 --> 0:43:00.560
<v Speaker 1>did anything wrong at all. I I just no way,

0:43:01.000 --> 0:43:03.600
<v Speaker 1>not even like whole foods or someplace. Those are all

0:43:03.640 --> 0:43:06.920
<v Speaker 1>gross to me. Oh yeah, whole foods would count with

0:43:07.000 --> 0:43:08.920
<v Speaker 1>that too. Huh, Although I do like a build your

0:43:08.960 --> 0:43:10.880
<v Speaker 1>own salad thing every once in a while. That's the

0:43:10.960 --> 0:43:14.439
<v Speaker 1>exception good salad bar. Yeah, it's tough to turn down.

0:43:14.480 --> 0:43:17.560
<v Speaker 1>I'm with. Well, let's take a break, think a little

0:43:17.600 --> 0:43:49.880
<v Speaker 1>more about salads, and we'll be right back. All right,

0:43:49.880 --> 0:43:53.640
<v Speaker 1>we're back, Charles. Let's talk about point deductions. A. Yes,

0:43:53.719 --> 0:43:57.160
<v Speaker 1>let's remember we said that restaurant inspectors are very optimistic

0:43:57.840 --> 0:44:00.480
<v Speaker 1>and they start out with a hundred. It just goes

0:44:00.520 --> 0:44:03.040
<v Speaker 1>down from there. And again, you know, since these are

0:44:03.160 --> 0:44:06.080
<v Speaker 1>done like city by city or county by county, like

0:44:06.160 --> 0:44:09.320
<v Speaker 1>everybody has like their own methods or whatever. But usually,

0:44:09.840 --> 0:44:13.200
<v Speaker 1>and I think the f d a UM has pointed out,

0:44:13.200 --> 0:44:15.839
<v Speaker 1>like there are five things that you're really looking for,

0:44:15.960 --> 0:44:23.200
<v Speaker 1>like five general categories UM improper UM storage of food

0:44:23.239 --> 0:44:28.880
<v Speaker 1>as far as temperature goes, inadequately cooked food, UM, equipment

0:44:28.920 --> 0:44:33.960
<v Speaker 1>that's contaminated, sources that are unsafe, uh, that are an

0:44:34.000 --> 0:44:37.680
<v Speaker 1>unsafe supply of the ingredients, right, so like if it

0:44:37.719 --> 0:44:40.960
<v Speaker 1>turns out like the goat is coming from their buddies farm,

0:44:41.360 --> 0:44:44.879
<v Speaker 1>that might be a problem. And then personal hygiene of

0:44:44.960 --> 0:44:48.719
<v Speaker 1>the people who work there, right, And so depending on

0:44:48.800 --> 0:44:51.920
<v Speaker 1>some of those, especially if there's multiple ones of these,

0:44:51.960 --> 0:44:55.799
<v Speaker 1>these are big ones, um, they will probably be a

0:44:55.880 --> 0:45:01.120
<v Speaker 1>high priority type one or critical violation any of those. Yes,

0:45:01.760 --> 0:45:03.680
<v Speaker 1>And then there's also other ones where like this is

0:45:03.680 --> 0:45:05.880
<v Speaker 1>not that big of a deal, but it's definitely something

0:45:05.920 --> 0:45:08.760
<v Speaker 1>that needs to be paid attention to. Those fall after

0:45:08.880 --> 0:45:10.840
<v Speaker 1>those usually and it can be anything from like a

0:45:10.920 --> 0:45:14.120
<v Speaker 1>dentic can that could conceivably contain botuli is um but

0:45:14.200 --> 0:45:17.160
<v Speaker 1>definitely hasn't been proven to contain botulism being thrown away,

0:45:17.600 --> 0:45:20.600
<v Speaker 1>to um, there being a hole in the screen door

0:45:20.680 --> 0:45:24.120
<v Speaker 1>that's left open for some reason. Yeah, and these uh.

0:45:24.360 --> 0:45:26.719
<v Speaker 1>As far as deducting individual points that you'll see on

0:45:26.760 --> 0:45:29.680
<v Speaker 1>the wall when you walk in and if you don't

0:45:29.920 --> 0:45:31.480
<v Speaker 1>look at that piece of paper when you walk into

0:45:31.480 --> 0:45:33.279
<v Speaker 1>a restaurant, I don't know what's going on in your brain.

0:45:33.280 --> 0:45:36.080
<v Speaker 1>You should always do that. Um. But like a static

0:45:36.120 --> 0:45:39.600
<v Speaker 1>violation like hey, there were some chairs that had bad legs,

0:45:40.200 --> 0:45:42.480
<v Speaker 1>your ceiling fan was pretty dusty, those will be like

0:45:42.520 --> 0:45:45.360
<v Speaker 1>a point each, maybe a couple of points for a

0:45:45.400 --> 0:45:49.080
<v Speaker 1>minor infraction like you're cleaning product, like I found a roach,

0:45:50.040 --> 0:45:52.480
<v Speaker 1>you know, the the chef has a cell phone in

0:45:52.480 --> 0:45:55.040
<v Speaker 1>the kitchen. That's a couple of points all the way

0:45:55.080 --> 0:45:57.759
<v Speaker 1>up to four and five points, and those that's when

0:45:57.760 --> 0:46:01.560
<v Speaker 1>you're talking about your your fridge is broken and it

0:46:01.640 --> 0:46:04.040
<v Speaker 1>is not up to temperature, and everything in there is

0:46:04.080 --> 0:46:05.960
<v Speaker 1>at risk, and that's when they can actually shut you

0:46:06.000 --> 0:46:09.080
<v Speaker 1>down until you get it fixed. Yeah, which I got

0:46:09.120 --> 0:46:12.000
<v Speaker 1>the impression from this article that that is it's a

0:46:12.120 --> 0:46:16.239
<v Speaker 1>rarity that the health inspector wants to air on the

0:46:16.320 --> 0:46:20.680
<v Speaker 1>side of the restaurant staying open and solving everything as

0:46:20.840 --> 0:46:24.920
<v Speaker 1>quickly as it can, while also it's business not suffering unnecessarily,

0:46:25.440 --> 0:46:28.319
<v Speaker 1>so if you're if your restaurant gets shut down temporarily,

0:46:28.680 --> 0:46:33.200
<v Speaker 1>like that violation was significant enough that that people were

0:46:33.200 --> 0:46:37.520
<v Speaker 1>at an immediate risk of getting sick from visiting your restaurant, exactly. Yeah,

0:46:37.800 --> 0:46:39.719
<v Speaker 1>it's a big deal. In other words, as it's as

0:46:39.760 --> 0:46:42.080
<v Speaker 1>big a deal as you would think. Yeah, but with

0:46:42.200 --> 0:46:44.120
<v Speaker 1>those point deductions, if you go in and you see

0:46:44.120 --> 0:46:49.359
<v Speaker 1>like a seventy two on a restaurant score sheet, it's

0:46:49.440 --> 0:46:54.560
<v Speaker 1>probably not twenty eight individual small violations, right. There are

0:46:54.600 --> 0:46:57.719
<v Speaker 1>probably some four and five pointers in there, and you

0:46:57.760 --> 0:47:01.279
<v Speaker 1>should probably think about eating there or you know it

0:47:01.320 --> 0:47:03.080
<v Speaker 1>says in the art in this article. You can go

0:47:03.120 --> 0:47:05.720
<v Speaker 1>to the website and really break down because those aren't

0:47:05.719 --> 0:47:07.920
<v Speaker 1>for the public to necessarily be able to digest easily.

0:47:08.520 --> 0:47:10.799
<v Speaker 1>But um, if you do look at them, if you

0:47:10.840 --> 0:47:13.120
<v Speaker 1>can get close to them, you can actually look and

0:47:13.160 --> 0:47:18.160
<v Speaker 1>see the little category for each thing. Um. Sometimes behind

0:47:18.160 --> 0:47:20.359
<v Speaker 1>the register they may not like you poking around. Well,

0:47:20.440 --> 0:47:24.720
<v Speaker 1>the health health departments usually put them on the web

0:47:25.040 --> 0:47:28.400
<v Speaker 1>these days. Yeah, that's I'll saying, Like, you can investigate online,

0:47:29.000 --> 0:47:31.560
<v Speaker 1>but in the restaurant itself, it is marked. It's you know,

0:47:31.800 --> 0:47:35.080
<v Speaker 1>a bunch of tiny little letters and categories, and you

0:47:35.120 --> 0:47:37.759
<v Speaker 1>can give it a look. And uh, you know, as

0:47:37.760 --> 0:47:40.279
<v Speaker 1>long as I wouldn't spend too much time there, like,

0:47:41.440 --> 0:47:43.960
<v Speaker 1>just go by that initial score. And if you're really like, yeah,

0:47:44.360 --> 0:47:46.640
<v Speaker 1>I gotta see what those eighteen points were deducted for,

0:47:47.000 --> 0:47:50.280
<v Speaker 1>I would just turn around and walk out, right, especially

0:47:50.280 --> 0:47:54.680
<v Speaker 1>if there's an identical place, like right across the street. Um.

0:47:54.840 --> 0:47:57.640
<v Speaker 1>But that is a pretty good point because when you

0:47:57.680 --> 0:48:01.759
<v Speaker 1>think about it, most people just see that score prominently displayed,

0:48:01.760 --> 0:48:03.320
<v Speaker 1>whether it's like an A or a B or a C,

0:48:03.640 --> 0:48:08.400
<v Speaker 1>or like a eighty five or a ninety eight or whatever. Um.

0:48:08.480 --> 0:48:13.600
<v Speaker 1>And it's not really meant to be shorthand for the public.

0:48:13.760 --> 0:48:16.319
<v Speaker 1>It's I mean, I guess it isn't a way where

0:48:16.360 --> 0:48:18.960
<v Speaker 1>it's like, hey, buddy, you're you're really taking a gamble

0:48:19.000 --> 0:48:23.680
<v Speaker 1>here at like seventy um. But when it's really high up,

0:48:24.080 --> 0:48:26.520
<v Speaker 1>it does seem to be kind of an indicator like

0:48:26.560 --> 0:48:29.240
<v Speaker 1>this one's a okay. In my book, that's not really

0:48:29.280 --> 0:48:33.400
<v Speaker 1>what the restaurant uh inspection report is supposed to be.

0:48:33.440 --> 0:48:36.640
<v Speaker 1>It's supposed to be a lot more granular than that.

0:48:37.000 --> 0:48:39.920
<v Speaker 1>And so to really tell whether you're running a risk

0:48:39.960 --> 0:48:41.719
<v Speaker 1>at eating in a restaurant or not, you actually do

0:48:41.840 --> 0:48:43.920
<v Speaker 1>have to go to the trouble of looking up what

0:48:43.960 --> 0:48:47.840
<v Speaker 1>the violations were and then even then judging for yourself,

0:48:47.880 --> 0:48:51.000
<v Speaker 1>because short of the health inspector deciding to shut the

0:48:51.040 --> 0:48:53.880
<v Speaker 1>restaurant down and making the decision for you that you

0:48:53.960 --> 0:48:57.040
<v Speaker 1>can't go there, they're not they're not saying like don't

0:48:57.080 --> 0:49:01.080
<v Speaker 1>eat here. Like if it passes, if it passes inspection

0:49:01.239 --> 0:49:04.600
<v Speaker 1>enough to stay open, then as far as the county

0:49:04.600 --> 0:49:07.200
<v Speaker 1>Health Department is concerned, it's good enough for you to

0:49:07.200 --> 0:49:09.520
<v Speaker 1>be eating there. But that might not really jibe with

0:49:09.560 --> 0:49:12.600
<v Speaker 1>your own definition. So to get that that information. You

0:49:12.640 --> 0:49:16.560
<v Speaker 1>have to go find out what they're why points were deducted. Yeah,

0:49:16.600 --> 0:49:18.920
<v Speaker 1>and you can't. Uh, it's either the mental plus or

0:49:18.920 --> 0:49:21.839
<v Speaker 1>our own article point out that just because someplace has

0:49:21.880 --> 0:49:26.360
<v Speaker 1>a bad rating doesn't mean they haven't fixed things and

0:49:26.400 --> 0:49:28.600
<v Speaker 1>it's fine now. And just because as a great rating

0:49:29.040 --> 0:49:32.640
<v Speaker 1>doesn't mean they're not in violation that day. There. These

0:49:32.680 --> 0:49:35.680
<v Speaker 1>inspectors come every six months to a year for a

0:49:35.719 --> 0:49:38.440
<v Speaker 1>couple of hours during a lunch shift, and it is

0:49:38.480 --> 0:49:41.239
<v Speaker 1>a snapshot of what occurred on that day. Right, So

0:49:41.440 --> 0:49:44.480
<v Speaker 1>there's no like fail safe for a consumer. You just

0:49:44.520 --> 0:49:47.320
<v Speaker 1>gotta you know, did the best you can, cross your fingers.

0:49:48.080 --> 0:49:50.560
<v Speaker 1>You just roll the dice and everything's okay in there,

0:49:50.800 --> 0:49:53.359
<v Speaker 1>or just cook at home and boil everything including your

0:49:53.440 --> 0:49:59.160
<v Speaker 1>lettuce boiled lettuce delicious. What oh, I didn't know if

0:49:59.200 --> 0:50:01.960
<v Speaker 1>I was missing on and then you got anything else

0:50:02.000 --> 0:50:06.840
<v Speaker 1>on restaurant inspections. Um. Just this one more little tidbit

0:50:06.920 --> 0:50:09.719
<v Speaker 1>from Mental Floss that I thought it was pretty great

0:50:11.040 --> 0:50:14.960
<v Speaker 1>is that this one restaurant inspector said that he can

0:50:15.080 --> 0:50:19.160
<v Speaker 1>smell cockroaches in the air at this point. Yeah, that's

0:50:19.160 --> 0:50:22.200
<v Speaker 1>a real problem with cockroaches, though, don't you think to

0:50:22.239 --> 0:50:25.040
<v Speaker 1>be able to smell. I guess it'd be an infestation,

0:50:25.280 --> 0:50:28.040
<v Speaker 1>is what he's He said, you can walk in, take

0:50:28.080 --> 0:50:30.880
<v Speaker 1>a deep breath, and he said it's kind of a nutty,

0:50:30.920 --> 0:50:33.719
<v Speaker 1>oily smell that you after years on the job, I

0:50:33.719 --> 0:50:37.080
<v Speaker 1>can identify it. It's like I still get hungry every

0:50:37.120 --> 0:50:39.000
<v Speaker 1>time I smell it. I got a lot of roaches

0:50:39.040 --> 0:50:41.560
<v Speaker 1>in my house right now, and it's really pissing me off.

0:50:43.960 --> 0:50:46.480
<v Speaker 1>A clean house. You know, it's not gross, it's just

0:50:47.440 --> 0:50:51.480
<v Speaker 1>this summer was just real, kind of muggy and dank.

0:50:51.560 --> 0:50:53.759
<v Speaker 1>And do you have a lot of cardboard boxes in

0:50:53.800 --> 0:50:56.040
<v Speaker 1>your attic or basement? No? I don't know where they're

0:50:56.080 --> 0:50:58.560
<v Speaker 1>coming from, Like we see him outside all over the place,

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<v Speaker 1>so I don't. Maybe it's at Swale Pond from Perman

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<v Speaker 1>Culture episode. Maybe. Yeah. The Perman Culture lady was like,

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<v Speaker 1>I forgot to tell you you're gonna have roaches. It's

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<v Speaker 1>the only new thing, right, I don't know. Man, good

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<v Speaker 1>good luck and god speed, though, go find the most

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<v Speaker 1>sustainable way to treat it. I'll be interested to hear

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<v Speaker 1>you come up with. Well, so far it's been the

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<v Speaker 1>flip flap method. Oh poor roaches. No. Uh, If you

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<v Speaker 1>said that, which means it's time for listener mail. All right,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm gonna call this a great, gross way to finish

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<v Speaker 1>this gross ish podcast. Excellent. Hey, guys, wanted to regale

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<v Speaker 1>you with the story of how you two contributed. My

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<v Speaker 1>fantastic relationship my wonderful girlfriend last summer and follows traveling

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<v Speaker 1>across the country, camping, going to national parks, and I

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<v Speaker 1>wound up in moab Utah at canyon lands and arches

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<v Speaker 1>and met a smart, fun girl at a brewery and

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<v Speaker 1>we made a date to go hiking. The next day,

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<v Speaker 1>I picked her up and we went on a wonderful

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<v Speaker 1>little hike and disaster struck. It turns out months of

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<v Speaker 1>cheddar brought worst and beer wasn't great for my digestive system,

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<v Speaker 1>and I felt horrible, and I had an inescapable urge

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<v Speaker 1>to take the Browns to the Super Bowl. Unfortunately, I

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<v Speaker 1>was miles away from a leif and I ran out

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<v Speaker 1>of excuses to keep stopping and standing still for a moment. Hey,

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<v Speaker 1>look at that arch again. Oh uh, so I had

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<v Speaker 1>to tell her the horrible truth on our first date,

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<v Speaker 1>and I was sure it would ruin it. Eventually, I

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<v Speaker 1>made my way to a bathroom, shoved some poor people aside,

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<v Speaker 1>and uh safely made it back to town. But I

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<v Speaker 1>was horribly embarrassed and sure I had ruined everything. On

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<v Speaker 1>the way back to town, she asked if she could

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<v Speaker 1>put a podcast on, and she played me your episode

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<v Speaker 1>about poop. No nice, how about that? She's got a

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<v Speaker 1>good sense of human great sense of humor. I've never

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<v Speaker 1>been as happy to hear two men describing fecal matter.

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<v Speaker 1>At that point, I knew anyone could spend a date

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<v Speaker 1>almost pooping in their pants into an excuse to share

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<v Speaker 1>their podcasts favorite As a keeper, we've been together over

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<v Speaker 1>a year now. We love listening to your new episodes

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<v Speaker 1>while we hike in camp and uh and poop. I

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<v Speaker 1>guess they've got to remember the love seat that Saturday

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<v Speaker 1>Night Live commercial. It was like the two toilets facing

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<v Speaker 1>each other's You could hold hands while you poop. Exactly.

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<v Speaker 1>I couldn't be happy to find a new favorite thing

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<v Speaker 1>to listen to and a wonderful new girlfriend at the

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<v Speaker 1>same time. So I want to thank you guys if

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<v Speaker 1>you ever get back to Denver, maybe next year. We

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<v Speaker 1>don't know yet. UM I'll be buying tickets as soon

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<v Speaker 1>as I hear the announcement. That is from Tom, and

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<v Speaker 1>he said, if you do read this in the air,

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<v Speaker 1>please give a shout out to Alice. Nice Tom and Alice. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>way to go kids. Uh, thanks for writing in Tom

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