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Speaker 1: Happy hangover Monday, the day after the Super Bowl, and

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Speaker 1: don't worry. The NFL is working on the idea of

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Speaker 1: another week to the season so that they officially take

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Speaker 1: over President's Day weekend for the super Bowl. And you

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Speaker 1: can see where it goes. Super Bowl Sunday we get

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Speaker 1: President's Day off, because what's more American than that. The

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Speaker 1: super Bowl itself, well, it kind of it kind of went.

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Speaker 1: It kind of went the conventional wisdom. I mean when

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Speaker 1: like twenty to six. Well, you know, I missed a

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Speaker 1: exactly how we thought that Seattle would, just so what

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Speaker 1: they've done all year. They kind of grind teams down

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Speaker 1: That was impressive. But at the end of the day, man,

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Speaker 1: But come on, for us football fans are not Patriots fans.

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Speaker 1: Did we really want to see them just make it

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Speaker 1: That it couldn't be this easy. They should be happy

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Speaker 1: Super Bowl ad you watched last night. But all in all,

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Speaker 1: I'm sad that football season's over. I am a huge

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Speaker 1: We got the All Star weekend next weekend, we got

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Speaker 1: And as I told you before, I love the Olympics.

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Speaker 1: a quick little table of contents. I've got a few

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Speaker 1: like with a lot of things with Donald Trump, I

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Speaker 1: you can go. When it comes to race and the

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Speaker 1: So that brings me to what I think is the

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Speaker 1: most underreported story from last week. Obviously the Obama racist beam.

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Speaker 1: We have the Abu Dhabi story, you have the fear

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Speaker 1: of federalizing elections. Those arguably those three stories all got

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Speaker 1: more attention last week than the milestone that was reached

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Speaker 1: last week when we got our fiftieth and fifty first

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Speaker 1: incumbent member of Congress deciding not to run for reelection

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Speaker 1: in twenty twenty six. This marks now we are inching

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Speaker 1: ever closer to the highest ever open seat total in

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Speaker 1: a midterm year basically since World War Two. Okay, in

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Speaker 1: twenty eighteen, there were fifty five members of Congress who

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Speaker 1: chose not to return. Either they didn't seek reelection or

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Speaker 1: they decided to go seek higher office, but they did

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Speaker 1: not seek reelection. We are sitting now at fifty one.

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Speaker 1: There's still most of the filing deadlines have not yet passed.

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Speaker 1: know there's going to be a handful of Republicans likely

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Speaker 1: that walk away because of the remap. We have the

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Speaker 1: Virginia remap that's likely to happen, that's going to lead

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Speaker 1: to some retirements. We've got the Florida remap that's likely

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Speaker 1: to lead to some retirement. So we are well on

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Speaker 1: our right. The all time record, by the way, is

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Speaker 1: sixty five open seats going into an election year, and

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Speaker 1: that was back in nineteen ninety two. That was a

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Speaker 1: confluence of circumstances. It was a reapportionment year, so you

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Speaker 1: had your typical you had that, but it was the

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Speaker 1: first time that the Justice Department insisted on majority minority

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Speaker 1: the country, but particularly in the South. And you also

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Speaker 1: that was the if you did not if you chose

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Speaker 1: to retire that year. There was one other loophole which

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Speaker 1: encouraged a lot of incumbents to leave office at nineteen

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Speaker 1: ninety two and not seek reelection. If you left in

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Speaker 1: nineteen ninety two, you got to keep whatever left campaign

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Speaker 1: money you had, and you get to keep it and

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Speaker 1: make it your money. You could turn it into an

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Speaker 1: you no longer it was no longer legal for you

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Speaker 1: to make campaign money your own money. That's right, folks.

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Speaker 1: It used to be members of Congress could take their

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Speaker 1: campaign treasury and when they were done running, they could

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Speaker 1: you pocket it at least you have to come up

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Speaker 1: But before you could just pocket it. So that's why

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Speaker 1: ninety two is sort of an outlier. But the real

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Speaker 1: gone back and studied this since nineteen fifty four. At

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Speaker 1: fifty one open seats. Right now, we are only four

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Speaker 1: away from the modern record of fifty five, which was

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Speaker 1: twenty eighteen, which led to a forty seat pick up

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Speaker 1: for the out party. We're going to pass that. The

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Speaker 1: question is how close to sixty five will we get?

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Speaker 1: So how did we get there? All? Right? The latest

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Speaker 1: two names, right, it didn't make what didn't make huge news.

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Speaker 1: You didn't see it on any cable news Chiron. It

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Speaker 1: was Barry Loudermilk of Georgia, Mark Emmedi of Nevada, both

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Speaker 1: Republicans and Republican you know, solid Republican seats. They're unlikely

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Speaker 1: to see de you know, they were going to likely

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Speaker 1: win reelection had they chosen to run. But what's interesting

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Speaker 1: about both of them, and it's part of a larger trend.

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Speaker 1: I want to get into. Both were elected before Donald

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Speaker 1: Trump took office, and both fit a growing category of

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Speaker 1: Republican retirees that I call the exhaustion caucus. These are

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Speaker 1: members who are no longer looking for a promotion in politics,

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Speaker 1: right running for governor, running for Senate, running for some

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Speaker 1: of the office. They're just looking for ourn exit. Right.

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Speaker 1: Loudermoak was elected in twenty fourteen and started serving in

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Speaker 1: January twenty fifteen. In fact, in his statement oouncing his retirement,

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Speaker 1: he leaned into the citizen legislator idea representing people in Congress.

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Speaker 1: He said it's a service, not a career, and he

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Speaker 1: talked about focusing on family, being a husband and a grandfather.

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Speaker 1: He didn't come up and just try to light the

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Speaker 1: place on fire. Amadi has represented that second district in Nevada.

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Speaker 1: He won a twenty eleven special election. He's the lone

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Speaker 1: Republican in the Nevada delegation, and he framed his decision

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Speaker 1: and he said it's time. He announced early because they

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Speaker 1: have a later filing deadline. Want to give others time

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Speaker 1: to step up. And again, this is the one congressional

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Speaker 1: seat that represents basically everything in Nevada that is in

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Speaker 1: the Las Vegas media market essentially. Now, look, they don't

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Speaker 1: seem like guys that are plotting a comeback. They're just done.

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Speaker 1: And I think that distinction matters because the most revealing

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Speaker 1: thing to think about in these retirements is that there's

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Speaker 1: clearly two different forces operating here at once, particularly when

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Speaker 1: it comes to motivating what certain Republicans try to do.

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Speaker 1: Because you have now we're up to I believe twenty

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Speaker 1: nine Republicans who have announced that they're not seeking reelection,

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Speaker 1: About half are running for another office, and about half

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Speaker 1: are just walking away. Right, that group that's walking away,

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Speaker 1: they're tired, tired of the grind, tired of the incentives.

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Speaker 1: A lot of them don't like the performative, the way

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Speaker 1: political theater now is the dominant force of American politics

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Speaker 1: that you don't get any credit for doing legislating. Of course,

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Speaker 1: the other group is leaving because you know, they just

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Speaker 1: always had viewed the House as a stepping stone, and

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Speaker 1: this is going to be a bad year to be

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Speaker 1: an incumbent Republican, so you might as well go up

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Speaker 1: and out because maybe you can set yourself up for

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Speaker 1: another office two or four years down the road. Now,

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Speaker 1: it's going to create a massive experience gap at some point.

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Speaker 1: Right we are seeing a massive churn, and so there's

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Speaker 1: going to be a lot of institutional memories that go

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Speaker 1: away because the longtime members are the committee chairs that

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Speaker 1: are leaving the institutional memory types when they walk out

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Speaker 1: the door. You don't just lose votes, You lose people

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Speaker 1: who know how to legislate, how to negotiate, frankly, how

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Speaker 1: to work across the aisle, even in thisunctional atmosphere. And

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Speaker 1: what it will mean is we're going to have a

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Speaker 1: House it's likely to be more political, more partisan, more junior,

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Speaker 1: more ambitious, more online, which means less functional. So it's

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Speaker 1: it's you know, we'll wait to see what this Congress

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Speaker 1: looks like in twenty twenty seven, but that's a likely problem.

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Speaker 1: So fifty one, Why does fifty one open seats matter

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Speaker 1: beyond being just a big number? And why am I

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Speaker 1: now essentially saying hey, you can call it now the

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Speaker 1: Democrats have one, They're going to win the House. It

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Speaker 1: would take an historical set of events that we have

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Speaker 1: no idea what they would look like for this not

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Speaker 1: to be the case, because open seats always behave like

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Speaker 1: a political accelerant. Right when a seat is open, the

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Speaker 1: incumbent advantage disappears. National environment matters more, money matters more,

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Speaker 1: candidate quality matters more. Historically, when open seats pile up early,

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Speaker 1: it tends to mean one of two things. Either the

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Speaker 1: majority party is bracing for impact or the members closest

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Speaker 1: to the ground are seeing something coming that everyone else

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Speaker 1: is still denying. And the other tael, of course, is

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Speaker 1: that it's February. February. Retirements are the early warning system.

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Speaker 1: If you're already at fifty one now, it suggests there's

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Speaker 1: a lot of quiet quitting still sitting on people's desks.

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Speaker 1: So let's talk about records, because this is where people

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Speaker 1: can get sloppy. As I said, the modern mid midterm

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Speaker 1: era benchmark, and then there's the all time benchmark. The

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Speaker 1: modern benchmarks midterms since nineteen fifty four, the cycles with

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Speaker 1: the huge retirement waves in the television era nineteen ninety four,

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Speaker 1: twenty ten, twenty eighteen. Those are my modern reference points.

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Speaker 1: And when retirement numbers start approaching that neighborhood forty plus,

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Speaker 1: history usually points in one direction. Trouble for the party

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Speaker 1: in power. Right, And if you extend the lens beyond

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Speaker 1: the midterms, you have to use nineteen ninety two. Is

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Speaker 1: that modern? Is that modern high of retirement? Sixty five

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Speaker 1: House members choosing not to run again. And as I

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Speaker 1: told you, there was a variety of reasons why that

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Speaker 1: created such a massive shake up. It was still to

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Speaker 1: this day over there, I think, where there was one

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Speaker 1: hundred and ten new members of Congress, and it also

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Speaker 1: led to than seventy three more new members of Congress

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Speaker 1: the following cycle. We in a four year cycle, we

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Speaker 1: really basically cycled out. Anybody that was left from the

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Speaker 1: fifties and sixties in Congress was sort of really totally

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Speaker 1: cycled out by nineteen ninety four. So now I want

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Speaker 1: to be mindful of the fact that nothing is statistically

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Speaker 1: sound here that I'm going to say right, when you

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Speaker 1: only have when you only have like fifteen incidences to use, right,

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Speaker 1: you can't say this is statistically sound. But I do

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Speaker 1: think the patterns matter here a lot. So in the

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Speaker 1: spirit of that argument, I'm going to frame it this way.

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Speaker 1: Once you see the number of open seats get over

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Speaker 1: twenty t's, it becomes extremely difficult for the majority party

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Speaker 1: to hold the line because open seats are the proxy

644
00:38:07,200 --> 00:38:09,799
Speaker 1: for vulnerability and opportunity. Well, guess what, we're now over

645
00:38:10,239 --> 00:38:15,319
Speaker 1: fifty with essentially two with essentially about sixty percent of

646
00:38:15,360 --> 00:38:18,440
Speaker 1: them being Republican. It's about twenty nine to twenty one.

647
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Speaker 1: Here is where we're sitting at now. Open seats aren't

648
00:38:22,440 --> 00:38:26,120
Speaker 1: a cause for the wave, but there the early warning

649
00:38:26,200 --> 00:38:29,719
Speaker 1: sign that the ground is shifting and that you have

650
00:38:29,800 --> 00:38:32,960
Speaker 1: some longtime incumbents reading tea leaves deciding they'd rather leave

651
00:38:32,960 --> 00:38:36,080
Speaker 1: on their own terms than get swept out and humiliated.

652
00:38:36,560 --> 00:38:38,880
Speaker 1: And then there's always one other piece to the puzzle.

653
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Speaker 1: Presidential approval. Open seats are the engine. Presidential approval rating

654
00:38:43,200 --> 00:38:45,799
Speaker 1: is the fuel. The president is popular, the party can

655
00:38:45,840 --> 00:38:49,480
Speaker 1: sometimes blunt losses the president is unpopular, especially if they're

656
00:38:49,640 --> 00:38:52,439
Speaker 1: just sitting below fifty percent approval and Donald Trump hasn't

657
00:38:52,440 --> 00:38:55,200
Speaker 1: seen forty five it seems like in four months, let

658
00:38:55,239 --> 00:38:59,040
Speaker 1: alone fifty. Midterms usually then become nationalized and become a

659
00:38:59,120 --> 00:39:02,479
Speaker 1: national referendum. So you have a president's approval ratings sitting

660
00:39:02,520 --> 00:39:05,160
Speaker 1: in the low forties, which look a lot like Bush

661
00:39:05,320 --> 00:39:10,400
Speaker 1: going into six Obama going into fourteen and ten, Frankly

662
00:39:10,440 --> 00:39:15,040
Speaker 1: and Bill Clinton going in to nineteen ninety four. So,

663
00:39:15,360 --> 00:39:17,719
Speaker 1: putting all this together, here's why this story isn't fading,

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Speaker 1: it's accelerating. We've entered the most volatile period for retirements,

665
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Speaker 1: late winter to spring wind decision window. Members are looking

666
00:39:24,800 --> 00:39:27,319
Speaker 1: at fundraising, the map, the mood, their own lives, and

667
00:39:27,360 --> 00:39:30,879
Speaker 1: of course all these redistricting threats as well, and they're

668
00:39:30,880 --> 00:39:32,759
Speaker 1: all deciding whether it's worth it. Do they want to

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Speaker 1: get to know a new constituency for a cycle that

670
00:39:35,280 --> 00:39:37,480
Speaker 1: may not go very well. I think we know the

671
00:39:37,520 --> 00:39:39,520
Speaker 1: answer to that. And if you want to know where

672
00:39:39,560 --> 00:39:41,719
Speaker 1: the next tranch of names is likely to come from

673
00:39:41,760 --> 00:39:44,360
Speaker 1: on the retirement watch list, there's a couple of states

674
00:39:44,360 --> 00:39:47,880
Speaker 1: where maps are in motion, Florida and Virginia. Right DeSantis

675
00:39:47,880 --> 00:39:50,200
Speaker 1: has a special session in April where he wants to

676
00:39:50,200 --> 00:39:52,279
Speaker 1: focus on redrawing the map, try to pick up four

677
00:39:52,360 --> 00:39:55,920
Speaker 1: or five seats of more seats that are more Republican,

678
00:39:56,400 --> 00:39:59,799
Speaker 1: seeing if he can somehow squeeze more Republican districts off

679
00:39:59,800 --> 00:40:02,680
Speaker 1: of that map. I'm skeptical, but they think they can

680
00:40:02,719 --> 00:40:05,000
Speaker 1: get a couple, especially if the Voting Rights Act essentially

681
00:40:05,040 --> 00:40:09,360
Speaker 1: gets swept away by the Supreme courts, but you have

682
00:40:09,440 --> 00:40:11,399
Speaker 1: when you're shaking up that map, it's likely to lead

683
00:40:11,400 --> 00:40:14,640
Speaker 1: to retirements we hadn't thought about, even some incumbents. If

684
00:40:14,640 --> 00:40:17,200
Speaker 1: it creates an incumbent incumbent fight stuff like that. Then

685
00:40:17,200 --> 00:40:20,440
Speaker 1: of course there's Virginia where Democrats are pushing for a

686
00:40:20,480 --> 00:40:23,719
Speaker 1: mechanism to enable new maps. Right, there's going to be

687
00:40:23,880 --> 00:40:28,360
Speaker 1: a special elect constitutional amendment election in order to get permission.

688
00:40:28,400 --> 00:40:31,920
Speaker 1: And if they do that, they may eliminate four Republican

689
00:40:31,920 --> 00:40:35,680
Speaker 1: incumbents and most of them likely won't try to seek

690
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Speaker 1: re election. So we're sitting at fifty one right now.

691
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Speaker 1: The likelihood that this grows to over fifty five, which

692
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Speaker 1: was the number that was hit in eighteen when Democrats

693
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Speaker 1: then the out party, won over forty seats, then you

694
00:40:48,680 --> 00:40:51,560
Speaker 1: see where this is going. Right, We already see the

695
00:40:51,600 --> 00:40:55,319
Speaker 1: Houses already showing signs of high volatility. Majority party is

696
00:40:55,360 --> 00:41:00,200
Speaker 1: bleeding its incumbency advantage. And oh, by the way, what

697
00:41:00,239 --> 00:41:03,440
Speaker 1: happened over the weekend? Two more special elections. We're in

698
00:41:03,719 --> 00:41:06,719
Speaker 1: very red And yes there's state legislative elections. Yes there

699
00:41:06,719 --> 00:41:09,560
Speaker 1: are special elections happening on a weekend, and yes, the

700
00:41:09,640 --> 00:41:12,719
Speaker 1: Democrats have more voters who pay more attention to these

701
00:41:12,960 --> 00:41:17,360
Speaker 1: special elections and Republicans do. Okay, Well, that means Democrats

702
00:41:17,400 --> 00:41:19,799
Speaker 1: are paying attention. It means Democrats are more fired up.

703
00:41:20,320 --> 00:41:24,120
Speaker 1: And you know, we're seeing another weekend of over performance

704
00:41:24,160 --> 00:41:28,280
Speaker 1: by Democrats in legislative districts that Trump carried by double digits.

705
00:41:28,400 --> 00:41:30,759
Speaker 1: And it seems like another you know, this is like

706
00:41:31,000 --> 00:41:34,000
Speaker 1: you know, another plane land safely at national right. It's

707
00:41:34,000 --> 00:41:36,400
Speaker 1: happening with such frequency it's hard to call it news.

708
00:41:36,440 --> 00:41:41,240
Speaker 1: It's almost like that continuation. So you all, this is happening.

709
00:41:42,400 --> 00:41:46,160
Speaker 1: You've got open seats hitting critical territory and like I said,

710
00:41:46,200 --> 00:41:50,080
Speaker 1: we've got I looked it up. There's another and this

711
00:41:50,160 --> 00:41:55,839
Speaker 1: is this is intriguing. Here, there's another one two, three, four, five, six,

712
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Speaker 1: seventy nine, ten, eleven, twelve, thirteen, forty fifteen, sixteen, seventy eighteen, nineteen,

713
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Speaker 1: twenty twenty one, two, three, four, five, six, twet seven. Okay,

714
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Speaker 1: there's another twenty seven Republican incumbents sitting in districts where

715
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Speaker 1: Donald Trump received fifty nine percent or less in the

716
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Speaker 1: twenty twenty four presidential vote. And I've put the market

717
00:42:14,040 --> 00:42:17,880
Speaker 1: fifty nine percent. I think now given the overperformance, given

718
00:42:17,920 --> 00:42:22,000
Speaker 1: Trump's approval ratings, and frankly is just terrible leadership right

719
00:42:22,040 --> 00:42:25,480
Speaker 1: now of the party on messaging. Anybody sitting in a

720
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Speaker 1: fifty nine percent Trump district or less should be scared nestless. Okay,

721
00:42:30,280 --> 00:42:33,839
Speaker 1: they should be feeling it a lot. Well, there's these

722
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Speaker 1: Republicans I was just telling you about. There's a big

723
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Speaker 1: chunk of California Republicans that filing deadlines March six. Some

724
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Speaker 1: Georgia Republicans sit in there, do any more throat decide

725
00:42:43,440 --> 00:42:49,160
Speaker 1: to do that. Wisconsin's filing deadline, Michigan's filing deadline, there's

726
00:42:49,200 --> 00:42:51,279
Speaker 1: a New York filing deadline in May, which you could

727
00:42:51,280 --> 00:42:55,400
Speaker 1: see it change a little bit. So this is a

728
00:42:55,440 --> 00:42:59,520
Speaker 1: list that's likely to grow. And again I go back

729
00:43:00,239 --> 00:43:03,600
Speaker 1: every single here. You could just look at this. I

730
00:43:03,680 --> 00:43:06,840
Speaker 1: put together these different midterm charts. So twenty eighteen fifty

731
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Speaker 1: five open seats the out party, the Democrats gained forty seats,

732
00:43:11,600 --> 00:43:15,160
Speaker 1: flipped control. Right in twenty twenty two, there were forty

733
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Speaker 1: nine open seats. Republicans netted nine seats and they flipped control.

734
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Speaker 1: Nineteen ninety four, there were forty eight open seats, Republicans

735
00:43:23,320 --> 00:43:27,040
Speaker 1: netted fifty two overall and flipped control. Twenty ten, thirty

736
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Speaker 1: eight open seats, Republicans gained sixty three, flip control. Two

737
00:43:32,040 --> 00:43:35,840
Speaker 1: thousand and six, thirty one open seats. Democrats gained thirty

738
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Speaker 1: one seats and flip control. Nineteen fifty eight, there were

739
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Speaker 1: twenty eight open seats. Democrats gained forty eight. They already

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Speaker 1: held control, they were already in charge, but they netted

741
00:43:48,440 --> 00:43:51,440
Speaker 1: another forty eight. Nineteen eighty two a similar situation, there

742
00:43:51,480 --> 00:43:53,799
Speaker 1: were twenty four open seats, So I just gave you

743
00:43:54,080 --> 00:43:58,759
Speaker 1: in the midterms in order there right, every single won

744
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Speaker 1: twenty four and above, going back to nineteen fifty four

745
00:44:01,960 --> 00:44:08,280
Speaker 1: to midterms, and the out party always gained seats, and

746
00:44:08,480 --> 00:44:11,640
Speaker 1: many times it flipped. Most of the time it flipped

747
00:44:11,680 --> 00:44:15,399
Speaker 1: control of the House. So the point is, at this

748
00:44:15,520 --> 00:44:20,440
Speaker 1: point in time, it is hard to come up with

749
00:44:20,480 --> 00:44:23,920
Speaker 1: a scenario where Republicans are going to hold the House.

750
00:44:24,680 --> 00:44:29,720
Speaker 1: Every historical marker says otherwise. The only two times where

751
00:44:29,760 --> 00:44:31,920
Speaker 1: the party in power was able to do well is

752
00:44:31,920 --> 00:44:35,320
Speaker 1: when the two when presidential approval was over sixty percent,

753
00:44:35,360 --> 00:44:38,840
Speaker 1: Bill Clinton in nineteen ninety eight and George W. Bush

754
00:44:38,920 --> 00:44:41,560
Speaker 1: in two thousand and two. That was post nine to eleven.

755
00:44:41,640 --> 00:44:46,760
Speaker 1: Nineteen ninety eight was the Monica backlash, where Clinton's personal

756
00:44:46,880 --> 00:44:49,640
Speaker 1: rating was in the toilet, but his professional rating was

757
00:44:49,800 --> 00:44:52,520
Speaker 1: sky high. It was this weird. The voter was almost

758
00:44:52,760 --> 00:44:55,319
Speaker 1: like stubborn about it. No, we don't like Clinton, and yes,

759
00:44:55,400 --> 00:44:57,279
Speaker 1: we love the job he's doing. It was like we

760
00:44:57,280 --> 00:45:02,880
Speaker 1: were It was this fascinating in the way polling was registering. No,

761
00:45:03,440 --> 00:45:06,600
Speaker 1: people were looking for a way to express personal disgust

762
00:45:06,640 --> 00:45:10,800
Speaker 1: at what Trump, at what Clinton did, but they didn't.

763
00:45:11,600 --> 00:45:13,200
Speaker 1: But they wanted to make it clear they didn't want

764
00:45:13,200 --> 00:45:15,160
Speaker 1: them thrown out of office over it, right, And so

765
00:45:15,440 --> 00:45:18,160
Speaker 1: you would see this dichotomy in the polling where his

766
00:45:18,239 --> 00:45:22,279
Speaker 1: favorable rating, his personal favorable rating was upside down, but

767
00:45:22,360 --> 00:45:25,719
Speaker 1: his professional rating was through the roof. The point is

768
00:45:25,960 --> 00:45:29,360
Speaker 1: those are the two exceptions. Now ask yourself, what's Donald

769
00:45:29,400 --> 00:45:32,960
Speaker 1: Trump going to do between now and November to somehow

770
00:45:33,000 --> 00:45:39,480
Speaker 1: get a sixty percent joberating? Is it improbable? Yes, I'm

771
00:45:39,480 --> 00:45:41,520
Speaker 1: never going to say anything's impossible in the Trump era,

772
00:45:41,680 --> 00:45:51,359
Speaker 1: that's for sure. But the point is massive unexpected outside

773
00:45:51,440 --> 00:45:57,000
Speaker 1: events like you know, aliens landing, you know in the Arctic,

774
00:45:57,120 --> 00:45:59,480
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, whatever it is like, it is

775
00:46:00,120 --> 00:46:06,680
Speaker 1: stuff you cannot you cannot say it's a feasible likely

776
00:46:06,840 --> 00:46:13,120
Speaker 1: event to happen, right So, And of course what's really

777
00:46:13,160 --> 00:46:18,480
Speaker 1: happening right now with Donald Trump is he is epitomizing

778
00:46:18,560 --> 00:46:22,520
Speaker 1: the saying that I love to quote from Haley Barber,

779
00:46:22,920 --> 00:46:27,000
Speaker 1: the longtime Republican operative and governor of Mississippi, who loved it.

780
00:46:27,880 --> 00:46:30,319
Speaker 1: And I think it's somebody else's expression first. But good

781
00:46:30,360 --> 00:46:33,400
Speaker 1: gets better and bad gets worse. And as we're seeing

782
00:46:33,400 --> 00:46:36,759
Speaker 1: with Donald Trump, that is getting worse every week. Right.

783
00:46:37,120 --> 00:46:40,560
Speaker 1: It feels like every week he throws another log on

784
00:46:40,719 --> 00:46:45,719
Speaker 1: the let me piss off more than half the country bonfire.

785
00:46:46,480 --> 00:46:51,600
Speaker 1: And that's why you're seeing more and more Republicans figure

786
00:46:51,600 --> 00:46:53,600
Speaker 1: out a way to push back. Some say it publicly,

787
00:46:54,400 --> 00:46:57,960
Speaker 1: some choose not to file for reelection, and others may

788
00:46:58,000 --> 00:47:02,399
Speaker 1: be contemplating doing either of those things. Because if they

789
00:47:02,400 --> 00:47:05,640
Speaker 1: want to speak out but they think it'll backfire, then

790
00:47:05,640 --> 00:47:09,239
Speaker 1: my guess is they walk away if they assess their

791
00:47:09,280 --> 00:47:15,600
Speaker 1: political situation and decide maybe they can survive by going

792
00:47:15,640 --> 00:47:18,400
Speaker 1: after Trump. Maybe he's becoming more unpopular, Maybe the Epstein

793
00:47:18,440 --> 00:47:20,520
Speaker 1: files have left to mark By the way, I didn't

794
00:47:20,520 --> 00:47:23,799
Speaker 1: even get to the Epstein files. Right, that's like the

795
00:47:23,840 --> 00:47:28,920
Speaker 1: other None of that has gotten any better for him either.

796
00:47:29,080 --> 00:47:31,839
Speaker 1: It may be sullying the Clintons Bill Clinton a little bit.

797
00:47:31,840 --> 00:47:35,440
Speaker 1: By the way, I still don't I don't under you know,

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00:47:35,520 --> 00:47:38,520
Speaker 1: other than Republicans wanting to attach Hillary Clinton to anything

799
00:47:38,560 --> 00:47:40,520
Speaker 1: that they can attach her to. I do not understand

800
00:47:40,520 --> 00:47:44,359
Speaker 1: why she's being asked to testify on anything Epstein. Right.

801
00:47:44,400 --> 00:47:46,040
Speaker 1: There's nothing in the files in any case she was

802
00:47:46,040 --> 00:47:49,000
Speaker 1: ever on the planes, ever did anything, et cetera. I

803
00:47:49,040 --> 00:47:52,240
Speaker 1: guess they'll say, well, she must have had some played

804
00:47:52,280 --> 00:47:54,840
Speaker 1: some part in the Clinton Foundation and the relationship with

805
00:47:54,920 --> 00:47:59,279
Speaker 1: Gawaine Maxwell, even that seems beyond tenuous at best. She

806
00:47:59,480 --> 00:48:04,759
Speaker 1: was sitting senator at the time. So I don't get

807
00:48:04,760 --> 00:48:06,759
Speaker 1: that one. I don't see Melinda Gates being called up

808
00:48:07,480 --> 00:48:11,040
Speaker 1: to find out what she knew about about Bill Gates's

809
00:48:11,320 --> 00:48:14,799
Speaker 1: relationships with Jeffrey Epstein, Right, we don't see any of that.

810
00:48:14,880 --> 00:48:18,239
Speaker 1: So that seems to be a head scratcher on that one.

811
00:48:18,280 --> 00:48:22,279
Speaker 1: And we'll see if that that's one of those that

812
00:48:22,360 --> 00:48:24,239
Speaker 1: I would say to mister comer, be careful what you

813
00:48:24,280 --> 00:48:28,520
Speaker 1: ask for, be careful of what you're doing there. You

814
00:48:28,560 --> 00:48:31,239
Speaker 1: want to talk about something that's more likely to blow

815
00:48:31,320 --> 00:48:36,720
Speaker 1: up in your face than somehow create political deflection for Trump.

816
00:48:38,080 --> 00:48:43,279
Speaker 1: It's playing games like this with trying to we're trying

817
00:48:43,320 --> 00:48:46,560
Speaker 1: to target Hillary Clinton in particular, just you know, I

818
00:48:46,600 --> 00:48:48,960
Speaker 1: know you think she's so unpopular, it doesn't matter what

819
00:48:49,000 --> 00:48:55,239
Speaker 1: you do. I'd watch it. I think there's that's something

820
00:48:55,520 --> 00:49:01,120
Speaker 1: I would be extraordinarily careful with. All right, I'm going

821
00:49:01,200 --> 00:49:03,719
Speaker 1: to pause there. This is a good time to bring

822
00:49:03,719 --> 00:49:05,360
Speaker 1: in the man who was one of the architects of

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Speaker 1: the twenty six campaign side for the Democrats. He was

824
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Speaker 1: the d Triple c chair at the time. Where I'm Emmanuel.

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00:49:13,760 --> 00:49:19,239
Speaker 1: He was a member of leadership inside the Congressional Democratic

826
00:49:19,280 --> 00:49:23,080
Speaker 1: Caucus at the time. Now as a former ambassador of Japan,

827
00:49:23,360 --> 00:49:26,480
Speaker 1: former two term mayor of Chicago. Right now, he may

828
00:49:26,480 --> 00:49:28,920
Speaker 1: be the last two term mayor of Chicago, given how

829
00:49:28,960 --> 00:49:31,520
Speaker 1: much they seem to be cycling through mayors these days.

830
00:49:32,719 --> 00:49:35,160
Speaker 1: He's clearly thinking about running for president. He doesn't pretend

831
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Speaker 1: he's not, and he's going about it in a different way,

832
00:49:38,080 --> 00:49:42,279
Speaker 1: you know. I you know, it's a long shot, right

833
00:49:42,360 --> 00:49:46,640
Speaker 1: being a card carrying member of the Democratic establishment, for

834
00:49:46,680 --> 00:49:48,960
Speaker 1: as long as he has chief of staff to Obama

835
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Speaker 1: and Japanese ambassador for Biden right a Clinton era, a

836
00:49:53,920 --> 00:49:58,600
Speaker 1: senior advisor right. Basically, he's worked for every Democratic president

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Speaker 1: that has served in the last forty years. He's been,

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00:50:05,200 --> 00:50:08,160
Speaker 1: you know, all part of you know, probably he got

839
00:50:08,160 --> 00:50:12,400
Speaker 1: his start as a fundraiser, so you're never going to

840
00:50:12,480 --> 00:50:17,120
Speaker 1: mistake Rammanuel for being an outsider. And yet what he's doing,

841
00:50:17,680 --> 00:50:21,560
Speaker 1: he seems to be zagging in a variety of ways.

842
00:50:22,040 --> 00:50:25,120
Speaker 1: First of all, he's almost laser focused on all things

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00:50:25,280 --> 00:50:29,040
Speaker 1: education and as they impact kids. He has been speaking

844
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Speaker 1: out a lot on the idea of social media bans.

845
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Speaker 1: Anytime another country bans access to social media for those

846
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Speaker 1: sixteen and younger, he's promoting it on social media. He's

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Speaker 1: talking about it. He was just in Mississippi and you'll

848
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Speaker 1: hear him. We spend a lot of time on education.

849
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Speaker 1: I think education is a dark horse issue. I think

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Speaker 1: one of the reasons why Democrats have seen support from

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00:50:50,719 --> 00:50:54,960
Speaker 1: latinos erode and drift over to Republicans because the Republicans

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Speaker 1: talk about education more than Democrats do now. Right now,

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Speaker 1: Republicans talk about it in terms of vouchers and school choice.

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Speaker 1: That's for a lot of Latinos. That's a very many

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Speaker 1: point is that education, for whatever reason, which almost always

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Speaker 1: Other besides speaking out, when I see you speak out

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Speaker 1: and all that stuff, what else are you doing right now? Like,

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Speaker 1: tell me your what's what's the average week like for

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Speaker 1: Roma Mane?

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Speaker 2: Well, I mean, I'm uh so. I was on the

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Speaker 2: way about a week ago. It's one of my favorite

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Speaker 2: the keynote to Lynda Vains Johnson Library, which is all

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Speaker 2: the presidential libraries. I really love that library. Why is

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Speaker 2: that so? Because I actually think the architecture un I'm

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Speaker 2: from Chicago, soil we're kind of I think the architecture

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Speaker 2: captures the personality of the president is just big. It's power.

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Speaker 2: It just you know, you walk in there's a picture,

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Speaker 2: big black and white ten by ten him signing the

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Speaker 2: Civil Rights Ad, the Voting Rights Act, and then there's

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Speaker 2: a line of wall of pens going all leading you

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Speaker 2: all the way to the photo of every bill he

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Speaker 2: ever signed. I mean, that's just like it says Johnson,

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Speaker 2: and then all it captures a character. And anyway, so

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Speaker 2: I picked up when I texted Doris Kurrn's going her

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Speaker 2: book Unfinished Love Story about her and her husband and

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Speaker 2: Zara back. So I've been talked to Amy by why

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Speaker 2: by coincidence we didn't plan this. I'm reading it, she's

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Speaker 2: listening to it, and so that's kind of uh. And

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Speaker 2: then obviously my three kids and they're in different points

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Speaker 2: in their lives, et cetera. But then I'm, you know,

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Speaker 2: reading a lot on AI. I'm learning besides my I

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Speaker 2: try to read a book every three weeks. But I've

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Speaker 2: started to solicit I had dinner the other day with

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Speaker 2: the Evanthropic and we had a dinner for a little

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Speaker 2: over a couple hours, and he gave me some reading

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Speaker 2: and I've been reading on that. Somebody else gave me

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Speaker 2: some other stuff, so I'm trying to get smart on that.

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Speaker 2: I took a subject next is energy production here in

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Speaker 2: the United States and great and distribution. So I take

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Speaker 2: a topic and try to delve as deep as I can.

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Speaker 2: But if you ask me, what is occupanting my time

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Speaker 2: making sure my three kids are off to a good

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Speaker 2: start in life, and which they are.

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Speaker 1: But you know, it sounds like whether you look, I

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Speaker 1: know you're thinking about it. You could do it, maybe

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Speaker 1: you don't do it, but it sounds like you're you know,

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Speaker 1: if you said you're going to run for president, what

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Speaker 1: do you do to prepare? Well, one of the things

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Speaker 1: I might suggest is, well, why don't you go learn

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Speaker 1: that's going to be driven by this, because that's what

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Speaker 1: you want to do. Yeah, you better know a lot

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Speaker 1: more about it because I have a feeling our last

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Speaker 1: two presidents, the current one and the previous one, didn't

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Speaker 1: know much about it.

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Speaker 2: Well, a couple of things on let me unpack, like

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Speaker 2: twenty of the questions right there. One what I'm very

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Speaker 2: excited about, and this is since we're both political junkies,

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Speaker 2: but also policy Chuck, twenty twenty eight will be the

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Speaker 2: first national election in twenty years. In my view, that

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Speaker 2: will be about the future, not the past. If you

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Speaker 2: really look at build back better and MAGA, you're driving

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Speaker 2: fifty five miles an hour head looking through the rare

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Speaker 2: view mirror twenty twenty eight, both for our party's primary

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Speaker 2: and you also look at our primaries. I haven't had

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Speaker 2: this in so a real discussion about the future and

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Speaker 2: the countries. Naturally, the general election will be about the future,

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Speaker 2: not the past. There won't be some kind of yearn

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Speaker 2: to a era that bygone time? What will America be?

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Speaker 2: So to me, that's exciting. And b whatever you come

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Speaker 2: down to wild West on AI, don't let it go

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Speaker 2: forward AI kind of those are the extreme positions. Whatever

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Speaker 2: it is. We have a very technical, innovative advantage against China.

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Speaker 2: They have an energy system that can do it. And

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Speaker 2: we got to neutralize a negative that allows a positive.

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Speaker 2: So to me, those are two subjects that are tied.

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Speaker 2: But the other thing is you ain't getting from here

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Speaker 2: to there, and those is you know, I have focused

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Speaker 2: on education now in two weeks from now, you know,

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Speaker 2: I went to Mississippi to talk about elementary education, et cetera,

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Speaker 2: and see the Mississippi reading miracle in Michigan, in Grand

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Speaker 2: Rapids and in how I will lay out a vocation

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Speaker 2: ad plan because the ticket to the middle class runs

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Speaker 2: through the classroom without it, like the Langran colleges, like

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Speaker 2: the universal high school education, like the GI Bill, like

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Speaker 2: the Science of Texts, Footneck Challenge without it. There's no

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Speaker 2: middle class in America. That's the door you got to

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Speaker 2: walk through to open up all the other doors. And

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Speaker 2: to me, now, one last comment, and then this is

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Speaker 2: also politics, which i'm you and I are at least

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Speaker 2: the two of us are good on. I found it fascinating.

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Speaker 2: In the Texas Special, the Republicans said, oh, this is

1049
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Speaker 2: a warning, which is true. Democrats said, look at his background.

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Speaker 2: What he said was was nobody you listen. I stayed

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Speaker 2: away from all the cultural issues and I focused on education.

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Speaker 2: Vocational line. You ever hear that before from so anybody else?

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Speaker 2: That's my point. I've been talking about education because, as

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Speaker 2: you said, it may not be one, it doesn't come

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Speaker 2: quote unquote under affordability, but it's where people live their lives.

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Speaker 1: So I saw, I observed a focus group. And I

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Speaker 1: keep sharing this anecdote because it really sort of jarred me.

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Speaker 1: And I got two kids now, both of my key

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Speaker 1: got one about to graduate college and one as a

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Speaker 1: freshman in college. Moles tough, Thank you, I'm I'm first

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Speaker 1: year of empty nest, which really sucks when there's a

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Speaker 1: big snowstore.

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Speaker 2: That was me, real, go shovel your mother wants it.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, none of that works, right. And there

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Speaker 1: was a participant in there that said something interesting that

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Speaker 1: sort of haunted me about education, which he says, you know,

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Speaker 1: I don't know, you know, he says, you know, ten

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Speaker 1: years ago, everybody said kids had to learn to code, right,

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Speaker 1: and now what are we learning with AI? That might

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Speaker 1: be a meaningless skill, right, something that we were trying

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Speaker 1: to reorientate stem education, right. We were trying to reorient a

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Speaker 1: lot of education that way. And the way that this

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Speaker 1: person worded it was sort of, you know, my greatest

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Speaker 1: fear is I don't even know what skills my kid

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Speaker 1: needs to succeed when they go out into the world

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Speaker 1: because it keeps changing so fast. And I thought, you know,

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Speaker 1: I think my parents had an idea of what I

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Speaker 1: needed to know to be out in the world. I

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Speaker 1: think I've tried. I certainly guided my kids to where

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Speaker 1: I think they can succeed. I got one in oceanography,

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Speaker 1: one in sports marketing, where I know is a future

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01:03:56,000 --> 01:04:02,040
Speaker 1: oriented posture, right. But that struck me because I get

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Speaker 1: it right, things are moving so fast. What are we getting?

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Speaker 1: What's the education for? Right? And what skills? You know,

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Speaker 1: we haven't redesigned our public education system since it started.

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Speaker 2: Well, right, so it's been years. Yeah, so let me

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Speaker 2: two to three. So what do you make of that?

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Speaker 1: Yeah?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, no. I look. One is when I was mayor,

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Speaker 2: one of the most I think monumental changes we made

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Speaker 2: only school system in the country to do this. You

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01:04:33,480 --> 01:04:37,960
Speaker 2: couldn't get your high school diploma without showing us a

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Speaker 2: letter of acceptance from a college, a community college, a

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Speaker 2: branch of the Armed forces, or vocational school.

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Speaker 1: The only was the only was it the only only

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Speaker 1: system in the.

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Speaker 2: Country is called Learn Plan Succeed and we hired a

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Speaker 2: ton of college and career counselors. I mean it was

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Speaker 2: backed up with you know, we were the first city

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Speaker 2: ever to do free community college. You earned to be average,

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01:05:01,080 --> 01:05:04,880
Speaker 2: et cetera. To me, you want to be a plumber,

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Speaker 2: you want to be an electrician, Great? You want to

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01:05:07,480 --> 01:05:10,200
Speaker 2: go be a marine great. You want to be a

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01:05:10,200 --> 01:05:13,200
Speaker 2: paralegal nurse or a nurse great. You want to be

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01:05:13,200 --> 01:05:15,600
Speaker 2: a mechanical engineer great? Or you want to d G Mannies.

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01:05:16,960 --> 01:05:19,880
Speaker 2: You are not walking on graduation day without telling us

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Speaker 2: where you're walking to. And the god children got that

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Speaker 2: direction at home. Not every child gets that direction. So

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Speaker 2: set the expectation, give the support, and in this future world,

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Speaker 2: as the Ford CEO said just a month ago, I

1111
01:05:36,080 --> 01:05:39,560
Speaker 2: got seven thousand jobs paying six figure with benefits, and

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Speaker 2: I got nobody apply it. I don't know that has

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Speaker 2: the skills, so I don't. And AI won't change vocational carpentry, electrician.

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Speaker 2: It won't eliminate it. I should say, not change it.

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Speaker 2: May change it, but it won't eliminate it and the

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Speaker 2: need for it. And that's true a nurse or specialization

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Speaker 2: of nurse. That's true in other professions. But the fundamentals

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01:06:02,680 --> 01:06:04,360
Speaker 2: in third grade, you're gonna have to learn how to read,

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Speaker 2: whether AI exists or not. You're going to have to

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Speaker 2: know how to do math regardless. Now you may be

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Speaker 2: right about coding, but to me when you said it

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Speaker 2: hasn't changed in one hundred years, the biggest reform we

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Speaker 2: did in Chicago that I think is relevant is the

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Speaker 2: high school education. When we made at universal be average,

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Speaker 2: you got free community college. In Chicago, fifty percent of

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Speaker 2: our kids graduated with college credit under their belt on

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Speaker 2: graduation day. And third, ninety eight percent metic requirement of

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Speaker 2: producing a letter from a college, a community college, a

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Speaker 2: branch of the armed versus or vocational. And eighty percent

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Speaker 2: of the jobs of tomorrow requires something post high school.

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01:06:45,160 --> 01:06:49,120
Speaker 2: And we haven't fixed the education system to meet that

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Speaker 2: eighty percent benchmark. And that's that's why I talked about

1133
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Speaker 2: and then to me, this is the ultimate thing every

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Speaker 2: parent's trying to figure out. Your parent articulate, AI, other

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01:07:00,560 --> 01:07:04,120
Speaker 2: parents particulated. You know, they learned a lot during COVID

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Speaker 2: about what was happening at their local school or not

1137
01:07:06,720 --> 01:07:11,920
Speaker 2: like it. No, And and since we're also junkies about politics,

1138
01:07:11,960 --> 01:07:16,840
Speaker 2: it was interesting twenty years ago, fifteen years ago, remember

1139
01:07:16,840 --> 01:07:18,880
Speaker 2: when they used to do the battery. Which part of

1140
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Speaker 2: you trust more? Healthcare? Taxis national security debt?

1141
01:07:22,240 --> 01:07:22,439
Speaker 1: Right?

1142
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Speaker 2: New York Times Bull And there was another I think

1143
01:07:25,920 --> 01:07:28,160
Speaker 2: it was CNN pul They did that bat. Each of

1144
01:07:28,200 --> 01:07:33,880
Speaker 2: them did their battery. Education wasn't on it and didn't

1145
01:07:33,880 --> 01:07:37,200
Speaker 2: even rise. And yet you have a thirty year low

1146
01:07:37,360 --> 01:07:40,040
Speaker 2: in reading. And maybe you just may want to ask.

1147
01:07:41,640 --> 01:07:45,520
Speaker 2: And the guy they just won, a Democrat that just

1148
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Speaker 2: wanted in a Texas special spent seventy thousand dollars on

1149
01:07:49,720 --> 01:07:53,440
Speaker 2: a district that's bigger than the congressional district. The beat

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Speaker 2: somebody ten to one ran on one issue. Education.

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Speaker 1: Well, this is an interesting let's mix it with the

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Speaker 1: policy six here. The Kansas is your blueprint, right when

1153
01:08:08,760 --> 01:08:13,880
Speaker 1: brown Back messed with the education funding boom, Right, there's

1154
01:08:13,920 --> 01:08:17,320
Speaker 1: now sixteen of the last twenty four years in Kansas

1155
01:08:17,680 --> 01:08:21,479
Speaker 1: have been have had been Democratic governors? Yes, right, and

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01:08:21,520 --> 01:08:27,479
Speaker 1: it has been over this essentially education. Rob sand is

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01:08:27,600 --> 01:08:30,080
Speaker 1: probably going to be the next guy. I might be

1158
01:08:30,200 --> 01:08:32,760
Speaker 1: over my skis a little bit, but I certainly would

1159
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Speaker 1: bet on him being the next governor anybody else right now,

1160
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Speaker 1: assuming he stays laser focused on education, because a whole

1161
01:08:39,680 --> 01:08:42,120
Speaker 1: bunch of ey ones are really ticked off. The voucherization

1162
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Speaker 1: idea right in rural America sounds great until you find out, well,

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Speaker 1: what school choice exists? Yes, and this is Texas too,

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01:08:55,080 --> 01:08:57,960
Speaker 1: so there's a this is a and I don't get

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Speaker 1: the national Democrats don't seem to be fully engaged on

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Speaker 1: this because they're like, well, education is a local issue, yeah,

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Speaker 1: but it's a national issue that.

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Speaker 2: Well, your last two presidents who got reelected one had

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Speaker 2: raised to the top ran on it and reran and

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Speaker 2: the other one ran on public school choice and teachers

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Speaker 2: of excellence. So and you can't tell me the last two,

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Speaker 2: meaning Joe Biden and Kamal Harris, what their education policy

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Speaker 2: was except for open the bathroom door. Can't do it.

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Speaker 2: And to me, that tells you why a twenty point

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Speaker 2: advantage on an issue that touches everybody. We now have

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Speaker 2: para pursue Now. I happen to think our kids are

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Speaker 2: suffering from two things. Republicans have abandoned public education and

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Speaker 2: Democrats have abandoned accountability. And our kids are falling through

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Speaker 2: the crack. That's what's happening, and that's on us.

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Speaker 1: I think it's it's a it's a very fair argument.

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Speaker 1: And the the you know, it's if you I would

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Speaker 1: also argue that the reason Democrats losing Latino voters because

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01:10:02,120 --> 01:10:04,040
Speaker 1: when you've ever you know, I used to, there was

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Speaker 1: it was a standard thing whether your top three concerns

1185
01:10:07,320 --> 01:10:10,519
Speaker 1: if you're among Latino voters, and it was always some combination.

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Speaker 1: Education was always higher among Latino voters than it was

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Speaker 1: among all voters. Right. Education particularly for this is true

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01:10:17,800 --> 01:10:20,479
Speaker 1: of all first generation immigrant groups in this country, right,

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Speaker 1: education is always right up there with the economy, and

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Speaker 1: then sometimes over the economy.

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Speaker 2: All immigrant groups, whether they've crossed the Real, the Pacific,

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Speaker 2: or the Atlantic or the Mississippi, all of them always

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01:10:34,320 --> 01:10:37,080
Speaker 2: put education top because they made that struggle for the

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01:10:37,120 --> 01:10:41,800
Speaker 2: next generation. And that door of the school is that

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Speaker 2: door into the middle class and every dream your parents

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Speaker 2: had for you.

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Speaker 1: Right, And I think used to put a period on

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Speaker 1: this sentence. The only party even talking about education usually

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Speaker 1: is the Republicans, not the Democrats.

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Speaker 2: Well, look, I'm I mean this gets to this will

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01:11:03,200 --> 01:11:05,880
Speaker 2: age me. I don't care. I grew up at a

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01:11:05,920 --> 01:11:09,920
Speaker 2: time when you had Governor Bill Clinton, Governor Hunt, Governor

1203
01:11:10,000 --> 01:11:11,960
Speaker 2: Rithy who becomes Clinton secretary.

1204
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Speaker 1: But it was also Governor Alexander who.

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Speaker 2: This was I'm Governor Winter, governor Child's Governor Miller. Now

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Speaker 2: these were titans. They were in a competitive race to

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Speaker 2: be the education governor. Had two things. I just told

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01:11:25,320 --> 01:11:27,680
Speaker 2: you before we got on what am I doing? And

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01:11:27,760 --> 01:11:31,559
Speaker 2: I was talking about going to Linda Maine Johnson. If

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01:11:31,600 --> 01:11:33,400
Speaker 2: you go back and look at the stuff while we

1211
01:11:33,479 --> 01:11:36,680
Speaker 2: know him, remember him for obviously the Warren poverty, the

1212
01:11:36,760 --> 01:11:39,839
Speaker 2: Great Society, but his what he wanted to be remembered

1213
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Speaker 2: as was the education governor. That's what he wanted to

1214
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Speaker 2: be remembered for. There's probably of one subject passed more

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Speaker 2: individual bills in the education column than anything else.

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Speaker 1: Why did lotteries spread like wildfire from nineteen ninety to

1217
01:11:57,160 --> 01:11:57,960
Speaker 1: nineteen ninety six?

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Speaker 2: Education?

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01:11:59,600 --> 01:12:02,320
Speaker 1: Right, everybody said I'm going to start at lottery and

1220
01:12:02,439 --> 01:12:04,519
Speaker 1: use it to fund education. Now, of course, the problem

1221
01:12:04,560 --> 01:12:07,720
Speaker 1: is every state legislature said, great, now, we don't need

1222
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Speaker 1: to fund education by education the lottery.

1223
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Speaker 2: Well yeah, so look, but I think here's the thing,

1224
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Speaker 2: and then you and we can pivot. This is also

1225
01:12:17,760 --> 01:12:20,120
Speaker 2: what I care about, passion of mice. I happen to

1226
01:12:20,120 --> 01:12:22,960
Speaker 2: think is what the public cares about. I'm gonna, as

1227
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Speaker 2: I said, I went to Mississippi, laid out an elementary.

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Speaker 1: What did you learn about the Mississippi story? Because you know,

1229
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Speaker 1: there's a lot of people who didn't think Mississippi's education

1230
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Speaker 1: plans would work. What why do you think it worked?

1231
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Speaker 2: Well? Two things. One is I've been following the debates

1232
01:12:39,560 --> 01:12:45,360
Speaker 2: on other topics, but when Louisiana, Tennessee, and Alabama replicate

1233
01:12:45,400 --> 01:12:48,000
Speaker 2: it and see similar gains, this was not a one

1234
01:12:48,040 --> 01:12:53,000
Speaker 2: trick pony. So this was clearly they had figured it out.

1235
01:12:53,200 --> 01:12:55,679
Speaker 2: And the truth is they didn't really figure out except

1236
01:12:55,720 --> 01:12:59,799
Speaker 2: for their return to the fundamentals. They rewired every teacher

1237
01:13:00,160 --> 01:13:04,559
Speaker 2: around the science and reading phonics train train trade, and

1238
01:13:04,600 --> 01:13:07,360
Speaker 2: they get constant trating it's not one and done right.

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01:13:07,680 --> 01:13:10,000
Speaker 2: They get a coach, the school gets a coach, The

1240
01:13:10,000 --> 01:13:15,000
Speaker 2: school coach coaches the principal coaches all the teachers on

1241
01:13:15,160 --> 01:13:16,519
Speaker 2: the sun and they.

1242
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Speaker 1: Give them the subject of teaching reading essentially.

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Speaker 2: Okay, Two, they have a minimum. I'm doing this by memory,

1244
01:13:24,800 --> 01:13:27,400
Speaker 2: but I think it's an hour and fifteen minute per

1245
01:13:27,520 --> 01:13:34,240
Speaker 2: day for every child. Second is as a child is going.

1246
01:13:34,280 --> 01:13:37,200
Speaker 2: If that individual child needs more support than the hour

1247
01:13:37,280 --> 01:13:43,120
Speaker 2: and fifteen minutes every day, they get a tutor. Now,

1248
01:13:43,479 --> 01:13:46,200
Speaker 2: one thing I will say is and to their credit,

1249
01:13:46,520 --> 01:13:48,840
Speaker 2: and I met with mister Barksdale, the guy that created

1250
01:13:48,880 --> 01:13:51,880
Speaker 2: and that'scaped the funder this whole thing, I suppose structurally

1251
01:13:52,240 --> 01:13:54,719
Speaker 2: there was no other option. You couldn't kind of opt out.

1252
01:13:55,320 --> 01:13:57,160
Speaker 2: This is what you were doing. To get Mississippi money.

1253
01:13:57,240 --> 01:14:00,240
Speaker 2: You had to do this. So this was not like

1254
01:14:00,320 --> 01:14:05,960
Speaker 2: local control. They would no. And second is they're honest

1255
01:14:06,000 --> 01:14:08,880
Speaker 2: with themselves. They said, okay, we're doing really well, but

1256
01:14:08,920 --> 01:14:11,479
Speaker 2: we start to lose momentum in fourth and fifth grade.

1257
01:14:11,840 --> 01:14:14,280
Speaker 2: So they're now setting up reading clinics to try to

1258
01:14:14,280 --> 01:14:17,240
Speaker 2: figure out how to keep the third grade momentum going.

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01:14:18,160 --> 01:14:20,559
Speaker 2: There's also a one as element that left and everybody

1260
01:14:20,560 --> 01:14:22,960
Speaker 2: some A lot of people forget. If you don't meet

1261
01:14:23,000 --> 01:14:25,320
Speaker 2: the standard after I think it's three tests, you don't

1262
01:14:25,320 --> 01:14:28,880
Speaker 2: get to face the fourth grade. Now they don't just

1263
01:14:29,000 --> 01:14:33,920
Speaker 2: do read and get done. They do training support for teachers,

1264
01:14:34,640 --> 01:14:38,360
Speaker 2: rewiring on phone X, keeping them pop tout pop, you know,

1265
01:14:38,520 --> 01:14:41,920
Speaker 2: of their game. The principle understands it. They get kind

1266
01:14:41,920 --> 01:14:46,120
Speaker 2: of trained down it. The kids get a guaranteed minimum time.

1267
01:14:46,479 --> 01:14:48,759
Speaker 2: If you need more, they will get you more support.

1268
01:14:49,840 --> 01:14:53,160
Speaker 2: And obviously if you fail, you don't go forward. But

1269
01:14:53,200 --> 01:14:55,800
Speaker 2: if you succeed, not only go forward, but then they

1270
01:14:55,800 --> 01:14:57,920
Speaker 2: have now these reading clinics that they're going to try

1271
01:14:57,920 --> 01:15:00,880
Speaker 2: to figure out how to keep the momentum. And as

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01:15:00,920 --> 01:15:06,360
Speaker 2: I said, Louisiana, Tennessee, Alabama, there's a county in Florida

1273
01:15:06,360 --> 01:15:09,559
Speaker 2: called Indian River County. All who have replicated all are

1274
01:15:09,600 --> 01:15:14,640
Speaker 2: seeing the same thing. So get back and do the fundamentals,

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Speaker 2: and your kids will meet the scores. And I did

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Speaker 2: this in Chicago. I look at Mississippi's demographics, and every

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Speaker 2: smarty pants at every heavy league school would tell you,

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Speaker 2: not those kids, not that zip code, not that race,

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Speaker 2: not that gender, not that income. They tell you a

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Speaker 2: hundred excuses. And Mississippi said, we're tired of being dead

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Speaker 2: last from forty ninth to ninth. They went game on, baby,

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Speaker 2: It's a great game on.

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Speaker 1: It's a great story. Pivot a little bit of the politics,

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Speaker 1: which is and I want to talk about out because you,

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Speaker 1: I know, you want to talk a little bit about

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Speaker 1: what Trump said about nationalizing federalizing elections. And I wrote

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Speaker 1: a whole substackt on this phenomenon. And maybe this is

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Speaker 1: more of a media issue, but also I think you

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Speaker 1: as a politician have to figure out, you know, if

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Speaker 1: you're trying to get people fired up about something, you

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01:16:20,720 --> 01:16:22,600
Speaker 1: have to find a way to get them interested in

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Speaker 1: the topic. And here you have there's always what Trump says,

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Speaker 1: and then there's stuff Trump does. And we have a

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Speaker 1: remarkable capacity to focus on what he says and not

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Speaker 1: enough on what he does. And the Abu Dhabi story

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Speaker 1: in the Wall Street journal, which I think you wrote,

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Speaker 1: you know, is just you know, it's it's one of

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Speaker 1: those things we're so numb to it it takes your

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Speaker 1: breath away, unbelievable. This is bigger than Teapot Dome. And

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Speaker 1: I think Teapot Dome is the worst scandal against the

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Speaker 1: American tax payer in history. Yes, and this is this

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Speaker 1: force it It's not even a close call. Never mind,

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01:16:59,080 --> 01:17:01,479
Speaker 1: we don't even get to the fact that pardons are

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Speaker 1: regularly sold. This is like a weekly thing. Every week

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01:17:04,360 --> 01:17:06,639
Speaker 1: there's a new round of partons. It's like, oh, Roger

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01:17:06,680 --> 01:17:08,439
Speaker 1: Stone has a client, and yet you know.

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01:17:09,040 --> 01:17:12,720
Speaker 2: And the os just become eBay.

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01:17:13,200 --> 01:17:20,000
Speaker 1: So why do you think you can get blaring hair

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01:17:20,080 --> 01:17:26,720
Speaker 1: on fire coverage on federalizing elections but essentially stealing from

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01:17:26,760 --> 01:17:30,439
Speaker 1: the American taxpayer and selling American foreign policy, which is

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Speaker 1: what this was. And look, I think we want to

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Speaker 1: be in business with UAE, you know, in a professional capacity. Okay,

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01:17:38,479 --> 01:17:42,120
Speaker 1: this is an important country, and so I'm not saying

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01:17:42,120 --> 01:17:46,320
Speaker 1: we shouldn't be in a straight up diplomatic and trade

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01:17:46,320 --> 01:17:51,800
Speaker 1: relation economic relationship country to country, but we shouldn't practice

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01:17:51,840 --> 01:17:54,760
Speaker 1: politics the way they practice politics. And it's also a

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01:17:54,800 --> 01:17:56,120
Speaker 1: constitutional last time you've.

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Speaker 2: You've hit up one is. You're right, we should be

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01:17:59,880 --> 01:18:04,280
Speaker 2: in engaging the UA for both strategic, commercial and other interests.

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01:18:04,400 --> 01:18:06,240
Speaker 2: The problem is we're engaging in the UA for the

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01:18:06,400 --> 01:18:10,719
Speaker 2: Trump family commercial interests, not the Americans and the Wickaw family.

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01:18:11,360 --> 01:18:14,680
Speaker 2: Very clear, it's not Yeah, this is a second is

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Speaker 2: you have And I think this has an impact on

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Speaker 2: the president. As I wrote the other day in their journal,

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01:18:20,720 --> 01:18:22,800
Speaker 2: they feel betrayed. He was supposed to work on the

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Speaker 2: American people's checkbook and he's focused on the Trump family

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01:18:25,600 --> 01:18:28,559
Speaker 2: checkbook and they know it, and they feel betrayed. And

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Speaker 2: we have not seen the wholesale corruption like this, as

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Speaker 2: you say, go back to teep hot Dome. But there's

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Speaker 2: other elements. I've never seen something that is so brazen.

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Speaker 2: I happened to think there's a broken windows strategy here,

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Speaker 2: which is they've permitted the smaller crimes have kind of

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Speaker 2: knocked down your antibodies, and it's created an environment for.

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Speaker 1: A bigger If you notice who we pardon, the type

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Speaker 1: of crime he always pardoned.

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Speaker 2: What white collars, always financial.

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Speaker 1: And every single one of them.

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Speaker 2: It's not a coincidence. Nope, No, there's a pattern besides

1339
01:19:10,479 --> 01:19:12,880
Speaker 2: the cash and carry business in the Oval office. But

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Speaker 2: this is what happened. Now, it'd be nice if you

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01:19:16,360 --> 01:19:18,400
Speaker 2: two things. I will say, he's gonna do what he's

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01:19:18,400 --> 01:19:21,559
Speaker 2: gonna do, right, It'd be good if you had a

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01:19:21,600 --> 01:19:26,559
Speaker 2: other branch of government holding the administration accountable, holding hearings,

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01:19:26,600 --> 01:19:28,720
Speaker 2: not just for the sake of holding hearings, because you

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01:19:28,760 --> 01:19:30,599
Speaker 2: have to shed light on this. And there is an

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Speaker 2: element you now have. I think the deputy attorney not

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01:19:35,520 --> 01:19:41,560
Speaker 2: deputy I forgot Martin's title, but he is leaking a

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01:19:42,000 --> 01:19:45,080
Speaker 2: grand jury testimony and he quickly is getting out. But

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Speaker 2: you know what, I also Robert Supreme Court. Remember inaugirl

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01:19:50,680 --> 01:19:53,160
Speaker 2: day Trump Folk said it goes thank you, just like

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01:19:53,479 --> 01:19:55,600
Speaker 2: thank you right at him. He gave him again on

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01:19:55,640 --> 01:19:58,479
Speaker 2: a jail card when he says, there's no way you

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01:19:58,520 --> 01:20:04,760
Speaker 2: can hold a president accountable, so you can't hold them accountable,

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01:20:04,760 --> 01:20:08,880
Speaker 2: so therefore he's going to steal the money. And the

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Speaker 2: Supreme Court under Roberts has to be also. That's why

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Speaker 2: that's why I'm in the view seventy five up and

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Speaker 2: out across all three branches of government, because these guys

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01:20:21,520 --> 01:20:24,559
Speaker 2: have gotten really lazy.

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Speaker 1: Well, I agree with you on that but I actually

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01:20:26,880 --> 01:20:31,840
Speaker 1: still blame the courts got put into a position to

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Speaker 1: be getting involved in more activities that Congress should be doing. Right,

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Speaker 1: I mean, if you think about it, I've actually you know,

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Speaker 1: I think our problem is Congress, right, the ineffect, the

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Speaker 1: fact that it doesn't work. Right, they don't know it's

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01:20:48,520 --> 01:20:51,160
Speaker 1: that does a problem, right, it doesn't want to be

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Speaker 1: the accountability branch. It's not doing these things but even

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01:20:55,360 --> 01:20:58,160
Speaker 1: simpler stuff. Right, why do we Why are the courts

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Speaker 1: involved in reproductive rights because Congress wouldn't deal with it?

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Speaker 1: Why did the courts have to get involved with desegregation

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Speaker 1: because the Congress wouldn't deal with it?

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Speaker 2: Right?

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Speaker 1: Our broken Congress has then made people have to go

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Speaker 1: to the courts. And then, of course the more the

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Speaker 1: courts have been active, then you create interest groups that

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Speaker 1: are trying to politicize the courts when ultimately the core

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Speaker 1: the patient, the patient zero.

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Speaker 2: As a reform member of Congress, her served elected four terms,

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01:21:25,840 --> 01:21:29,400
Speaker 2: served only three, but they have walked away from their

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01:21:29,439 --> 01:21:35,680
Speaker 2: responsibility full stop. And because they're not on point. As

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Speaker 2: a co equal branch of government, you have any caffeinated

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01:21:41,200 --> 01:21:46,320
Speaker 2: executive branch run three bottles of red bull or cancer,

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01:21:46,360 --> 01:21:49,679
Speaker 2: red Bull and you have a Supreme Court that in mind,

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Speaker 2: you you can you can give them. I'm not giving

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Speaker 2: them a pass that you kind of I'll give them

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01:21:53,400 --> 01:22:00,200
Speaker 2: a pass because they know they gave a This is

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01:22:00,240 --> 01:22:03,920
Speaker 2: exactly I don't mean to get historical here, but you

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Speaker 2: go to the Federals papers. This is exactly why what

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Speaker 2: Hamilton and Madison were very concerned about, which is a

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01:22:12,040 --> 01:22:17,720
Speaker 2: corrupt executive, and the court says, whatever you do, you

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01:22:17,760 --> 01:22:21,479
Speaker 2: can't be held legally responsible. Now, I just tell you

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01:22:21,560 --> 01:22:23,800
Speaker 2: that was a get on. That was all this guy

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01:22:23,880 --> 01:22:26,200
Speaker 2: needs to get out of jail and that and he's

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01:22:26,200 --> 01:22:28,360
Speaker 2: gonna take it all the way to the bank, and

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Speaker 2: we're going to be left holding the bag of Americans

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Speaker 2: and him and his kids are gonna he's in here

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01:22:32,240 --> 01:22:34,960
Speaker 2: to make money and his kids are gonna make use

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Speaker 2: of every day. And you get that Wall Street Journal story.

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Speaker 2: I don't know about you. I read it twice because

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Speaker 2: I as I'm an Emmanuel's never speechless. I was speechless.

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Speaker 2: I could not believe. And let me ask you a question.

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01:22:52,960 --> 01:22:59,639
Speaker 2: How many people in the elected position today, well we're

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Speaker 2: getting with all these subjects, any of them said, we

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01:23:02,560 --> 01:23:05,599
Speaker 2: need a understanding of what's went on here. We're selling

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01:23:05,720 --> 01:23:09,639
Speaker 2: probably the most important national security chip that we scared

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01:23:09,840 --> 01:23:14,160
Speaker 2: could go to China. We're selling it. We still have

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01:23:14,160 --> 01:23:16,519
Speaker 2: the same concerns. Now I'm gonna back up to you.

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Speaker 2: And this gets to kind of another point. While I'm

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01:23:19,680 --> 01:23:23,800
Speaker 2: talking about nationals, that decision, et cetera, et cetera. This

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01:23:23,840 --> 01:23:27,080
Speaker 2: tells you how much Congress and Washington. But Congress, I'll

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01:23:27,080 --> 01:23:30,240
Speaker 2: give you that and the impact with no Washington post

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Speaker 2: on point. Yeah, you have the head, the Director of

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Speaker 2: National Intelligence. You have China g unbeknownst to anybody else,

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01:23:44,400 --> 01:23:47,360
Speaker 2: firing as head of the armed forces, and every intelligence

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01:23:47,400 --> 01:23:50,560
Speaker 2: agency across the globe is looking at our Director of

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Speaker 2: National Intelligence is in Fulton, Georgia. Ways said, no, no,

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Speaker 2: you laugh. We're about to go into the talks with Iran.

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Speaker 2: I know what happens. You get these tell breeze on

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Speaker 2: what you think. Where are the divisions in the Iranian position,

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01:24:05,520 --> 01:24:09,280
Speaker 2: Who's from what, etc? Yea our d and I Director

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Speaker 2: and now Fulton, Georgia. You're about to host Russia, Ukraine

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01:24:13,640 --> 01:24:15,400
Speaker 2: in the United States and one of the most important

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Speaker 2: part of the negotiations, whereas Europe. Our Director of National

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Speaker 2: Intelligence Fulton, Georgia. Looking at ballots tells you everything you

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01:24:23,840 --> 01:24:27,439
Speaker 2: need to know about this administration. You have three and

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Speaker 2: I'm probably leaving five events off across the globe. There's

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Speaker 2: sixteen plus intelligence agen. You see a feeding interr she's

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Speaker 2: in Fulton, Georgia calling the President's cell phone so he

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Speaker 2: can talk to the FBI agents. Okay, you want to

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01:24:41,640 --> 01:24:45,560
Speaker 2: know why America's got a problem. We got an administration

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01:24:45,640 --> 01:24:47,880
Speaker 2: with the wrong priorities and the American people know, which

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Speaker 2: is why the Republics are going to pay a price

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Speaker 2: this November.

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Speaker 1: So it's interesting you put it that way because I

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01:24:53,040 --> 01:24:56,360
Speaker 1: am somebody who still thinks, look, the election system's going

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01:24:56,400 --> 01:24:58,600
Speaker 1: to happen. But I know I'm sure people come up

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01:24:58,640 --> 01:24:59,760
Speaker 1: to you because they come up to me when I

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01:24:59,800 --> 01:25:04,040
Speaker 1: give talks. Are you sure he's gonna accept the midterms?

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Speaker 1: Are you sure he's gonna not invoke the Insurrection Act?

1439
01:25:06,640 --> 01:25:11,360
Speaker 1: Are you sure? And it's like, look, with Trump, nothing's

1440
01:25:11,479 --> 01:25:13,920
Speaker 1: you know, there's no one hundred percent okay, And I

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01:25:13,960 --> 01:25:17,040
Speaker 1: and I accept that there are certain things he can't

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Speaker 1: screw with. And I think our election systems are so diffuse,

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01:25:20,479 --> 01:25:23,280
Speaker 1: and so you know, you know the lack of federalization

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01:25:23,400 --> 01:25:25,280
Speaker 1: is what makes is a feature not a bug. Right,

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Speaker 1: So I'm I'm pretty confident that we're going to have

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Speaker 1: a normal, small, the democratic response to this administration. Am

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01:25:34,479 --> 01:25:37,719
Speaker 1: I not alarmist enough? Where are you on this? Because

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01:25:37,760 --> 01:25:41,280
Speaker 1: you know, being an alarmist in some ways, is it's good?

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01:25:41,360 --> 01:25:44,040
Speaker 1: It could be good politics for the moment, you know,

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01:25:44,200 --> 01:25:46,639
Speaker 1: like you've got somebody. Look, Gavin Newsom's out there saying

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01:25:46,640 --> 01:25:49,160
Speaker 1: this is what he wants to do. And you can't

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01:25:49,160 --> 01:25:52,200
Speaker 1: say Gavin's wrong, but I think he's been a bit

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01:25:52,200 --> 01:25:55,720
Speaker 1: of alarmist, but I understand who he's talking to. Let's

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Speaker 1: say it.

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Speaker 2: Well, three things. One is I do think it's weird

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01:25:58,320 --> 01:26:00,759
Speaker 2: that nobody wanting him made the connection between the Director

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01:26:00,800 --> 01:26:04,479
Speaker 2: of National Intelligence is infulted and you have three massive

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Speaker 2: international events.

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Speaker 1: Right, But you're you're accepting the premise that she's actually

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Speaker 1: a player in the intelligence Well.

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Speaker 2: I'm accepting the premise that the United States Senate confirmed

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Speaker 2: her knowing full well every one of them. That was perfect. Yes,

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Speaker 2: look at mister Cassidy and his big conscious vote for Kennedy.

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01:26:24,600 --> 01:26:27,360
Speaker 2: Now he's getting his butt kicked, lost his conscious and

1465
01:26:27,439 --> 01:26:32,639
Speaker 2: lost his election. Number two on the alarmist versus art.

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Speaker 2: What keeps me up is they're going to do a

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01:26:38,200 --> 01:26:43,480
Speaker 2: lot FBI ice before the election. But it's, as you said,

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Speaker 2: the diffusion because he's trying to consolidate it, will keep

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Speaker 2: it somewhat, have some antibodies and protection. I worry about

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Speaker 2: the post election and seeding.

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Speaker 1: That's that's what I bring out.

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Speaker 2: Okay, so close environment, yes, double so.

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Speaker 1: People in about the power of the House on this.

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Speaker 2: Okay, So here is I said this here who was

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Speaker 2: in the Mississippi town hall? U what we did up

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Speaker 2: in the water Valley? And I said, if somebody asked

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Speaker 2: something kind of along the lines of what you asked,

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01:27:23,240 --> 01:27:24,760
Speaker 2: but you know close enough, it's a cousin of what

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Speaker 2: you asked. I said, Look, what I really worry about

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Speaker 2: is from this perspective, I think he's going to do

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01:27:30,760 --> 01:27:33,880
Speaker 2: a lot before the election. I happen to think the

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Speaker 2: thin blue line that's going to protect this country is

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01:27:35,960 --> 01:27:39,679
Speaker 2: the American people. The Supreme Court walked, Corporate America walked,

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Speaker 2: media titans and owners walked. The American people will protect

1485
01:27:44,040 --> 01:27:46,840
Speaker 2: this country. And I have confidence in that he and

1486
01:27:46,880 --> 01:27:49,479
Speaker 2: he is not a look the President of isays I

1487
01:27:49,520 --> 01:27:52,000
Speaker 2: don't agree with anything. But he knows that Democrats in

1488
01:27:52,040 --> 01:27:55,360
Speaker 2: twenty twenty five won thirteen out of thirteen state wide elections.

1489
01:27:55,560 --> 01:27:57,800
Speaker 2: He knows what's coming, so he's going.

1490
01:27:57,760 --> 01:27:58,760
Speaker 1: To do talking about it.

1491
01:27:58,920 --> 01:28:01,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's going about it. He's going to do everything

1492
01:28:01,120 --> 01:28:05,320
Speaker 2: he can, sorry by everything he can before the election.

1493
01:28:05,760 --> 01:28:12,040
Speaker 2: I still believe not after. The Constitution is very clear

1494
01:28:13,040 --> 01:28:16,240
Speaker 2: about the role of the speaker in organizing the House.

1495
01:28:19,800 --> 01:28:22,720
Speaker 2: The former speaker has a role before you get to

1496
01:28:22,760 --> 01:28:26,240
Speaker 2: the new Congress to let the new speaker. And I

1497
01:28:26,360 --> 01:28:30,400
Speaker 2: believe if you ask me, one part of my brain says,

1498
01:28:31,280 --> 01:28:35,160
Speaker 2: I'm kind of at forty to sixty on the paranoia

1499
01:28:35,720 --> 01:28:40,760
Speaker 2: after the election, I'm seventy thirty eighty twenty because January sixth.

1500
01:28:41,439 --> 01:28:42,920
Speaker 1: In this case, it's January third.

1501
01:28:43,280 --> 01:28:45,639
Speaker 2: Yes, that's what I worry about.

1502
01:28:46,200 --> 01:28:49,640
Speaker 1: Well, it's funny you say that, and I'm the additional

1503
01:28:49,680 --> 01:28:52,720
Speaker 1: detail I include when I when I say when I'm like, look,

1504
01:28:52,760 --> 01:28:58,800
Speaker 1: I'm not worried about November. If it's really close, like

1505
01:28:58,880 --> 01:29:02,160
Speaker 1: I also think it's eight seats or less. Correct, if

1506
01:29:02,160 --> 01:29:05,839
Speaker 1: it's a blowout, I don't think Mike Johnson can do anything.

1507
01:29:06,760 --> 01:29:08,680
Speaker 1: But if we're talking like what we just had in

1508
01:29:08,720 --> 01:29:11,080
Speaker 1: twenty two and in twenty you know, we're sitting here

1509
01:29:11,120 --> 01:29:14,400
Speaker 1: in a three to five seat swing. Yeah.

1510
01:29:14,640 --> 01:29:17,240
Speaker 2: Ready, I want to do the phone call for you. Yeah,

1511
01:29:17,439 --> 01:29:18,760
Speaker 2: you can find me the votes.

1512
01:29:19,520 --> 01:29:21,559
Speaker 1: You can find me or you don't have to see

1513
01:29:21,680 --> 01:29:22,280
Speaker 1: certain people.

1514
01:29:22,560 --> 01:29:29,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, this is and Johnson, No, I'm not exactly what

1515
01:29:29,439 --> 01:29:32,760
Speaker 2: I say is a profound courage. You're gonna need a

1516
01:29:32,800 --> 01:29:35,560
Speaker 2: Mike penn'ce courage. And I'm not sure Speaker Johnson has that.

1517
01:29:36,800 --> 01:29:37,720
Speaker 1: I think that's pretty cool.

1518
01:29:37,880 --> 01:29:40,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I don't. And you know, I did it

1519
01:29:40,720 --> 01:29:41,720
Speaker 2: something we I.

1520
01:29:41,640 --> 01:29:44,120
Speaker 1: Mean, I am one of those who sort of I

1521
01:29:44,160 --> 01:29:48,519
Speaker 1: will respect how he got there. He's only there thanks

1522
01:29:48,560 --> 01:29:53,200
Speaker 1: to the the wills one person, Donald Trump, Right, So

1523
01:29:54,240 --> 01:29:58,200
Speaker 1: he's going to do his bidding because his political career

1524
01:29:58,280 --> 01:30:02,280
Speaker 1: is over if he does. And that's the that's the

1525
01:30:02,280 --> 01:30:03,080
Speaker 1: scary part of it.

1526
01:30:03,320 --> 01:30:07,680
Speaker 2: So you asked me, I get why, you know, I

1527
01:30:07,680 --> 01:30:10,360
Speaker 2: don't I understand why Governor k Newsom would say what

1528
01:30:10,479 --> 01:30:11,000
Speaker 2: he said.

1529
01:30:11,400 --> 01:30:13,639
Speaker 1: Yeah, And I'm not like, I think it's about arms.

1530
01:30:13,720 --> 01:30:17,240
Speaker 2: But in the you know the Joe, you know the joke,

1531
01:30:17,360 --> 01:30:21,000
Speaker 2: John Even paranoid people have enemies. So in the business

1532
01:30:21,000 --> 01:30:25,360
Speaker 2: of having a paranoia, mine is on January third, not

1533
01:30:25,479 --> 01:30:28,720
Speaker 2: on November six. Yea, I think that's the date.

1534
01:30:28,840 --> 01:30:32,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, what do you think so far of this of

1535
01:30:32,960 --> 01:30:36,760
Speaker 1: the Democratic team trying to head up the midterms? What

1536
01:30:36,800 --> 01:30:38,160
Speaker 1: have you liked so far? And what do you think

1537
01:30:38,200 --> 01:30:38,839
Speaker 1: needs improvement?

1538
01:30:39,680 --> 01:30:45,639
Speaker 2: Look, I I well, I kind of let me take

1539
01:30:45,680 --> 01:30:47,240
Speaker 2: a step back and tell you how I kind of

1540
01:30:47,320 --> 01:30:52,679
Speaker 2: view this. I see twenty twenty six and twenty twenty

1541
01:30:52,680 --> 01:30:56,440
Speaker 2: eight as a compendium elections.

1542
01:30:58,560 --> 01:31:01,639
Speaker 1: Potentially mirror images of six and eight in your head.

1543
01:31:01,880 --> 01:31:04,719
Speaker 2: Yes, so two things that are underappreciated and I don't

1544
01:31:04,720 --> 01:31:09,959
Speaker 2: see out in the bloodstream. We win in six thirty seats,

1545
01:31:10,160 --> 01:31:13,880
Speaker 2: but we use seven to set up eight in the

1546
01:31:14,000 --> 01:31:16,280
Speaker 2: main same way that George Mitchell going back to ninety

1547
01:31:16,280 --> 01:31:20,320
Speaker 2: one and the government budget forces George Bush to sign

1548
01:31:20,479 --> 01:31:23,400
Speaker 2: the tax increase, break his pledge and sets up Bill

1549
01:31:23,400 --> 01:31:24,240
Speaker 2: Clinton in ninety two.

1550
01:31:25,040 --> 01:31:25,280
Speaker 1: Yep.

1551
01:31:27,200 --> 01:31:30,040
Speaker 2: Oh, so two things that I think are really really important.

1552
01:31:30,479 --> 01:31:33,599
Speaker 2: I happen to think the Democrats have good candidates out there,

1553
01:31:34,120 --> 01:31:36,880
Speaker 2: they have a quality of candiates, They've done a good

1554
01:31:36,920 --> 01:31:41,200
Speaker 2: job recruitment where I'm I think there's an there's a

1555
01:31:41,240 --> 01:31:44,200
Speaker 2: twenty twenty seven. Well, let me back up in twenty

1556
01:31:44,240 --> 01:31:47,240
Speaker 2: twenty six. I still think they need a six and

1557
01:31:47,280 --> 01:31:50,280
Speaker 2: twenty twenty six because eighty percent of this is a

1558
01:31:50,280 --> 01:31:52,040
Speaker 2: referendum on the Republicans. But you got to put a

1559
01:31:52,040 --> 01:31:55,000
Speaker 2: little lipstick here. We're gonna do a minimum wage, we're

1560
01:31:55,000 --> 01:31:58,120
Speaker 2: gonna do rate payers Bill of Rights, we're gonna do

1561
01:31:58,200 --> 01:32:02,120
Speaker 2: ethics reform, a change election. You know there has a

1562
01:32:02,200 --> 01:32:04,560
Speaker 2: monicam over. Here's why we're asking you not just to

1563
01:32:04,640 --> 01:32:07,760
Speaker 2: vote against them again. Eighty percent is a vote against them,

1564
01:32:07,800 --> 01:32:09,960
Speaker 2: as you can see in all the elections, but twenty

1565
01:32:10,000 --> 01:32:15,560
Speaker 2: percent were safe hands. Twenty twenty seven is very important

1566
01:32:15,960 --> 01:32:18,799
Speaker 2: to setting up twenty twenty eight. In that period, also,

1567
01:32:20,280 --> 01:32:25,080
Speaker 2: we've got three presidentials that seven states, six hundred thousand voters,

1568
01:32:25,080 --> 01:32:29,080
Speaker 2: seven hundred thousand voters have decided who's president. There should

1569
01:32:29,160 --> 01:32:33,439
Speaker 2: not be an empty line from school board to governor

1570
01:32:33,760 --> 01:32:40,200
Speaker 2: in Nevada, Arizona, Georgia, North Carolina, Pennsylvania, Michigan, Wisconsin. No

1571
01:32:40,360 --> 01:32:44,400
Speaker 2: line should not have a surfer and a surfboard on it.

1572
01:32:45,240 --> 01:32:46,720
Speaker 2: Because I think this is going to be a wave

1573
01:32:46,800 --> 01:32:51,400
Speaker 2: election like ninety four six, twenty ten, and twenty eighteen,

1574
01:32:51,840 --> 01:32:57,559
Speaker 2: and if I'm right, getting into Arizona throughout the state,

1575
01:32:58,400 --> 01:33:04,440
Speaker 2: that state rep, that school board, that county commissioner, that supervisor,

1576
01:33:04,680 --> 01:33:08,160
Speaker 2: all the way up, true in Nevada, all the way up,

1577
01:33:08,920 --> 01:33:12,639
Speaker 2: true in Georgia, all the way up from the bottom up.

1578
01:33:13,360 --> 01:33:16,000
Speaker 2: You're organizing in twenty twenty six for twenty twenty eight,

1579
01:33:16,640 --> 01:33:20,200
Speaker 2: and you're deep, digging deep. Don't show up in twenty

1580
01:33:20,240 --> 01:33:23,639
Speaker 2: twenty eight in Georgia two months out and say, well,

1581
01:33:23,640 --> 01:33:26,000
Speaker 2: we got beat at this game. Well, the game started

1582
01:33:26,000 --> 01:33:27,880
Speaker 2: in twenty twenty six. Is started much earlier. But you

1583
01:33:27,960 --> 01:33:30,400
Speaker 2: get the point. So that's the two things. And I

1584
01:33:30,439 --> 01:33:33,800
Speaker 2: still think I don't mean to leave the Senate out,

1585
01:33:34,000 --> 01:33:36,840
Speaker 2: And but you look at this, I you know there's

1586
01:33:36,840 --> 01:33:38,479
Speaker 2: a fundamental and I happen to think.

1587
01:33:38,800 --> 01:33:41,559
Speaker 1: I think you have to. You have a way, you

1588
01:33:41,600 --> 01:33:43,719
Speaker 1: have as if the Senate is winnable, and if you don't.

1589
01:33:44,400 --> 01:33:49,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, I do think this. This is all the makings

1590
01:33:49,920 --> 01:33:53,960
Speaker 2: of a wave election. You can see it in everything

1591
01:33:54,000 --> 01:33:57,040
Speaker 2: that we're looking at electorally. And B I think you

1592
01:33:57,080 --> 01:34:01,320
Speaker 2: wrote to this. And I'm a big believer the table

1593
01:34:01,400 --> 01:34:05,960
Speaker 2: is set by mid spring, not just by Kennedy, but

1594
01:34:05,960 --> 01:34:14,040
Speaker 2: by issue. And to me, you're gonna buy. I'm saying

1595
01:34:14,080 --> 01:34:17,280
Speaker 2: May fifteenth. But in that zone. We're going to know

1596
01:34:18,280 --> 01:34:22,439
Speaker 2: more about what's going to happen May in November, in

1597
01:34:22,520 --> 01:34:32,080
Speaker 2: May than you will in September.

1598
01:34:33,520 --> 01:34:36,200
Speaker 1: The Republicans, the one thing they're holding their hat on, right,

1599
01:34:36,200 --> 01:34:38,960
Speaker 1: they're hanging their hat on, is that tax season and

1600
01:34:39,040 --> 01:34:41,000
Speaker 1: tax refund season is going to make a whole bunch

1601
01:34:41,040 --> 01:34:43,760
Speaker 1: of people happy. And I actually think it's going to

1602
01:34:43,960 --> 01:34:46,439
Speaker 1: piss them off when they find out all this extra

1603
01:34:46,520 --> 01:34:50,160
Speaker 1: money is gone because it went to groceries, the electric bill,

1604
01:34:50,439 --> 01:34:51,080
Speaker 1: and healthcare.

1605
01:34:51,439 --> 01:34:56,840
Speaker 2: No, they do not that. Basically, While I believe in

1606
01:34:56,840 --> 01:34:58,519
Speaker 2: the power of prayer, that's a lot of prayer.

1607
01:34:58,960 --> 01:35:03,679
Speaker 1: Yeah, hey, let me you know, because this is always

1608
01:35:03,760 --> 01:35:06,240
Speaker 1: the tyranny of of leading a political party is that.

1609
01:35:07,760 --> 01:35:09,280
Speaker 2: You're stupid until election day.

1610
01:35:09,600 --> 01:35:13,400
Speaker 1: Well, there's that, but there's no upside in being the

1611
01:35:13,479 --> 01:35:17,720
Speaker 1: long term planner, right. It's like you're right, like, hey,

1612
01:35:17,720 --> 01:35:20,719
Speaker 1: we've got a plan for twenty thirty two, and yet

1613
01:35:20,800 --> 01:35:22,280
Speaker 1: you're like, yeah, but if you don't win in twenty

1614
01:35:22,280 --> 01:35:24,120
Speaker 1: twenty eight, you're going to get fired, right, you know.

1615
01:35:24,400 --> 01:35:27,040
Speaker 1: It's like the general manager that goes ahead and trades

1616
01:35:27,280 --> 01:35:31,160
Speaker 1: early for future first drund draft picks because he knows

1617
01:35:31,479 --> 01:35:33,680
Speaker 1: if he doesn't win. Now he's getting fired. He's not

1618
01:35:33,760 --> 01:35:37,400
Speaker 1: going to be making that draft pick. Twenty thirty two

1619
01:35:38,080 --> 01:35:41,679
Speaker 1: is a sobering moment for the Democratic Party in presidential elections,

1620
01:35:41,720 --> 01:35:44,360
Speaker 1: given what looks like is going to be a dramatic

1621
01:35:44,439 --> 01:35:47,519
Speaker 1: shift from the north to the south, with a dramatic

1622
01:35:47,520 --> 01:35:51,920
Speaker 1: shift from the coast electoral College electoral vote standpoint. Yeah. Yeah,

1623
01:35:52,000 --> 01:35:55,120
Speaker 1: So I hear your plan about the seven states, You're like, hey,

1624
01:35:55,160 --> 01:35:59,599
Speaker 1: and you know every single election should be competitive and

1625
01:35:59,800 --> 01:36:04,000
Speaker 1: you don't leave any stone unturned. What are the next

1626
01:36:04,040 --> 01:36:08,400
Speaker 1: three states that at a minimum right now you throw

1627
01:36:08,439 --> 01:36:12,360
Speaker 1: into the bucket, because look, you've got to start thinking

1628
01:36:12,400 --> 01:36:15,000
Speaker 1: about you know, I mean when you look at the

1629
01:36:15,040 --> 01:36:17,880
Speaker 1: path that fifty one Senate seats for Democrats, they have

1630
01:36:17,960 --> 01:36:20,960
Speaker 1: to sweep the battlegrounds just to get the fifty two

1631
01:36:21,040 --> 01:36:21,680
Speaker 1: or fifty.

1632
01:36:21,439 --> 01:36:23,759
Speaker 2: Three, not and not screw up Michigan in the primary.

1633
01:36:23,880 --> 01:36:27,639
Speaker 1: That's my point, right, And that's just akay. So here's

1634
01:36:27,680 --> 01:36:30,800
Speaker 1: what are like the next states that if you could

1635
01:36:30,840 --> 01:36:33,599
Speaker 1: get rewarded for investing in the long term, that you'd

1636
01:36:33,640 --> 01:36:34,760
Speaker 1: be investing in right now.

1637
01:36:34,880 --> 01:36:41,920
Speaker 2: Well, there's two states that come quickly to mind, because

1638
01:36:41,960 --> 01:36:46,800
Speaker 2: I think something's underappreciated that fascinating to me. Not as

1639
01:36:46,880 --> 01:36:52,040
Speaker 2: fascinating as energy production or AI, but fascinating from a

1640
01:36:52,080 --> 01:36:59,360
Speaker 2: pure political Two former elected Republicans in Florida and in

1641
01:36:59,400 --> 01:37:03,360
Speaker 2: Georgia are running in the Democratic primary for governor. It

1642
01:37:03,479 --> 01:37:08,120
Speaker 2: is nice. Yeah, And I say that's interesting because both

1643
01:37:08,160 --> 01:37:10,200
Speaker 2: if you listened to them but made a decision that

1644
01:37:10,240 --> 01:37:15,800
Speaker 2: the Republican Party is, they can't recognize it and they

1645
01:37:15,920 --> 01:37:20,000
Speaker 2: find more affinity in the Democratic Party.

1646
01:37:20,360 --> 01:37:22,680
Speaker 1: And I don't know, let's pause there. David Jolly and

1647
01:37:22,880 --> 01:37:24,200
Speaker 1: Jeff Duncan are the two guys you're.

1648
01:37:24,120 --> 01:37:26,320
Speaker 2: Referring to, lieutenant governor and a former congress.

1649
01:37:26,000 --> 01:37:30,679
Speaker 1: Right, Yeah, These weren't liberal Republicans when they were elected.

1650
01:37:30,720 --> 01:37:32,280
Speaker 1: They were very much Chamber.

1651
01:37:32,040 --> 01:37:33,920
Speaker 2: Of Romney John McCain Republicans.

1652
01:37:34,000 --> 01:37:36,639
Speaker 1: Yes, Mitt Romney, probably more Mett Romney than even John McCain.

1653
01:37:36,920 --> 01:37:40,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, totally agree. They would probably say that Kay and

1654
01:37:40,960 --> 01:37:47,920
Speaker 2: I find as a socio political phenomenon. They looked around

1655
01:37:47,960 --> 01:37:49,680
Speaker 2: and maybe both of them said, oh, I can't win

1656
01:37:49,720 --> 01:37:53,640
Speaker 2: in the Republican primary. I don't think it was that pragmatic.

1657
01:37:53,720 --> 01:37:56,920
Speaker 2: I actually think they looked and they said, I'm not

1658
01:37:56,960 --> 01:37:59,600
Speaker 2: a Republican anymore. This is not my party. In the

1659
01:37:59,640 --> 01:38:06,080
Speaker 2: same way, same region. A lot of bolt evils, right

1660
01:38:06,400 --> 01:38:09,000
Speaker 2: blue dogs, you know, basically woke up one morning, so

1661
01:38:09,040 --> 01:38:11,440
Speaker 2: the Democratic Party is not my home anymore and became Republicans.

1662
01:38:12,080 --> 01:38:15,240
Speaker 2: Now the traffic is flowing the other way. Now, Paulus,

1663
01:38:16,040 --> 01:38:22,479
Speaker 2: will the party welcome what they get out of here? Yeah?

1664
01:38:22,800 --> 01:38:24,000
Speaker 2: And here's here's the.

1665
01:38:23,920 --> 01:38:25,599
Speaker 1: Thing that we're going to find out, aren't we.

1666
01:38:25,600 --> 01:38:27,919
Speaker 2: Well, we're going to find out two things that's very interesting.

1667
01:38:29,800 --> 01:38:31,320
Speaker 2: One is we always say we want to be a

1668
01:38:31,320 --> 01:38:34,519
Speaker 2: big ten party. We're going to see you who in

1669
01:38:34,520 --> 01:38:36,760
Speaker 2: the party thinks set So there's going to be that.

1670
01:38:38,160 --> 01:38:43,960
Speaker 2: And two is I don't think the party, my party

1671
01:38:44,040 --> 01:38:48,719
Speaker 2: is fully appreciated that almost fifty percent of the country

1672
01:38:48,960 --> 01:38:52,400
Speaker 2: is not in a party. The fastest growing party is

1673
01:38:52,479 --> 01:39:00,840
Speaker 2: unaffiliated voters under thirty five. And then second, contrary to

1674
01:39:01,320 --> 01:39:05,120
Speaker 2: popular view that somehow if you use a little smelling salts,

1675
01:39:05,840 --> 01:39:07,800
Speaker 2: the New Deal coalition will just pop up out of

1676
01:39:07,800 --> 01:39:11,439
Speaker 2: nowhere again that in fact, what Trump showed you is

1677
01:39:12,320 --> 01:39:18,200
Speaker 2: coalitions are forming and shaping in real time, and you've

1678
01:39:18,200 --> 01:39:22,040
Speaker 2: got to make a decision. In my view, that is

1679
01:39:22,040 --> 01:39:26,519
Speaker 2: what I argued in the journal piece. The unaffiliated voters,

1680
01:39:26,600 --> 01:39:32,840
Speaker 2: which are now forty five percent and growing. That's your majority.

1681
01:39:33,040 --> 01:39:36,360
Speaker 2: Now you can decide to go get that majority and

1682
01:39:36,479 --> 01:39:41,439
Speaker 2: not make it electorally transactional, but make it transformational, or

1683
01:39:41,479 --> 01:39:44,160
Speaker 2: you can decide not to. And I think these guys

1684
01:39:44,200 --> 01:39:48,760
Speaker 2: moving over is a window both to the unaffiliated and

1685
01:39:48,960 --> 01:39:53,360
Speaker 2: soft Republicans that we can be something bigger. And so

1686
01:39:53,400 --> 01:39:57,519
Speaker 2: I keep my eye Georgia, North Carolina, Georgia, and Florida.

1687
01:39:58,000 --> 01:39:59,839
Speaker 2: That's my three stick. That was my reason.

1688
01:40:00,400 --> 01:40:02,240
Speaker 1: There's your extra state that you would throw in a

1689
01:40:02,280 --> 01:40:03,000
Speaker 1: so you'd throw fourth.

1690
01:40:03,040 --> 01:40:06,800
Speaker 2: Three states to keep your eye on. Are those three

1691
01:40:06,840 --> 01:40:10,519
Speaker 2: states for the long for the twenty thirty two and beyond.

1692
01:40:12,120 --> 01:40:15,960
Speaker 1: There's this perception that to be a strong Democrat you

1693
01:40:16,000 --> 01:40:19,439
Speaker 1: have to be a progressive, that you can't be from

1694
01:40:19,479 --> 01:40:24,719
Speaker 1: the center left, you can't be you know, And I think, look,

1695
01:40:24,760 --> 01:40:27,800
Speaker 1: I think history shows that Bill Clinton showed you could

1696
01:40:27,800 --> 01:40:31,679
Speaker 1: be considered a strong partisan and at the same time

1697
01:40:31,800 --> 01:40:35,320
Speaker 1: govern more from the center than from the base. But

1698
01:40:35,520 --> 01:40:38,719
Speaker 1: that was not appreciated in real time, no, I think,

1699
01:40:39,000 --> 01:40:42,400
Speaker 1: and it arguably took it. I don't know if the

1700
01:40:42,400 --> 01:40:46,880
Speaker 1: Democratic Party appreciates that even today. So in fact, I

1701
01:40:46,920 --> 01:40:49,559
Speaker 1: just read an interesting little memo that somebody wants to

1702
01:40:49,600 --> 01:40:51,639
Speaker 1: circulate and we're asking me to read it, just sort

1703
01:40:51,680 --> 01:40:54,800
Speaker 1: of making the case that hey, this milk toast centrism

1704
01:40:54,880 --> 01:40:55,759
Speaker 1: is not the answer.

1705
01:40:56,600 --> 01:41:01,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, what do you say? Well, he had a big

1706
01:41:01,080 --> 01:41:05,479
Speaker 2: primary New Jersey for governor six hands. We had the

1707
01:41:05,520 --> 01:41:10,240
Speaker 2: mayor Newark, very progressive, mayor Jersey, very progressive, president of

1708
01:41:10,280 --> 01:41:13,160
Speaker 2: the teachers Union, the largest union of state. Two members

1709
01:41:13,160 --> 01:41:16,400
Speaker 2: of Congress. Two members of Congress were on the moderate

1710
01:41:16,400 --> 01:41:20,360
Speaker 2: to conservative wing of the party. Their combined vote was

1711
01:41:20,360 --> 01:41:24,080
Speaker 2: forty nine point seven and the one that topped out

1712
01:41:24,080 --> 01:41:26,720
Speaker 2: of the five was the most conservative of the five.

1713
01:41:29,160 --> 01:41:32,360
Speaker 2: B You had an eleven candidates for Jerry Connelly C

1714
01:41:32,840 --> 01:41:37,320
Speaker 2: Congressional one k out of eleven got fifty nine percent,

1715
01:41:37,400 --> 01:41:39,920
Speaker 2: and he was the most moderate conservative. Whatever you want

1716
01:41:39,960 --> 01:41:43,280
Speaker 2: to use of the eleven and one's with not thirty

1717
01:41:43,400 --> 01:41:46,559
Speaker 2: but fifty nine percent. You and I are sitting here

1718
01:41:46,560 --> 01:41:51,080
Speaker 2: today will be very interesting. We won't know the answer. Thursday,

1719
01:41:51,120 --> 01:41:57,040
Speaker 2: there's a primary in New Jersey for Mikey Michaels Mikey

1720
01:41:57,120 --> 01:42:01,439
Speaker 2: Cheryl's congressional seat. That is a pretty wide spectr Lieutenant governor,

1721
01:42:01,920 --> 01:42:07,639
Speaker 2: former member of Congress, a supervisor Kenny and a person

1722
01:42:07,680 --> 01:42:11,080
Speaker 2: who found themselves is kind of like AOC. So we'll see.

1723
01:42:11,840 --> 01:42:16,479
Speaker 2: I don't think I think there's a bigger moderate wing

1724
01:42:16,880 --> 01:42:19,760
Speaker 2: of the party and there's a bigger pragmatic wing. Now,

1725
01:42:19,800 --> 01:42:23,960
Speaker 2: one thing that we know from presidential history Clinton, John Kerry,

1726
01:42:24,760 --> 01:42:29,400
Speaker 2: Joe Biden that ultimately, when the parties walk backs against

1727
01:42:29,400 --> 01:42:34,400
Speaker 2: the wall, they go pragmatic, not ideological. Winning will be

1728
01:42:34,640 --> 01:42:37,040
Speaker 2: more important than any particular thing.

1729
01:42:37,200 --> 01:42:39,639
Speaker 1: That's what well, that's been my I've made two points

1730
01:42:39,680 --> 01:42:42,599
Speaker 1: about like people always ask me, you know, who's who's

1731
01:42:42,600 --> 01:42:45,840
Speaker 1: the front runner? And I always say I flipped the script,

1732
01:42:45,920 --> 01:42:47,639
Speaker 1: and I always say, you know, at this point in time,

1733
01:42:47,680 --> 01:42:50,559
Speaker 1: nobody was talking about Bill Clinton in nineteen ninety, at

1734
01:42:50,600 --> 01:42:51,719
Speaker 1: this point in time, No, no.

1735
01:42:51,760 --> 01:42:54,280
Speaker 2: You were talking no, no, no worse than that. At

1736
01:42:54,320 --> 01:42:59,360
Speaker 2: this point in time, mario'comell, Bill Bradley, Bill Clinton was

1737
01:42:59,360 --> 01:42:59,840
Speaker 2: at two percent.

1738
01:43:01,960 --> 01:43:05,800
Speaker 1: And it was right. He wasn't even he wasn't even

1739
01:43:05,840 --> 01:43:08,360
Speaker 1: really being he wasn't high enough to even be talked

1740
01:43:08,400 --> 01:43:11,760
Speaker 1: about as a dark horse. Yes, by the way, Jimmy Carter,

1741
01:43:12,160 --> 01:43:14,080
Speaker 1: same thing. I'll give you another one that I like

1742
01:43:14,160 --> 01:43:16,880
Speaker 1: to remind people of just recently, if I told you

1743
01:43:16,920 --> 01:43:19,160
Speaker 1: at this point in time in the twenty twenty cycle,

1744
01:43:19,160 --> 01:43:23,080
Speaker 1: which would be February of twenty eighteen. Hey, rom you

1745
01:43:23,120 --> 01:43:25,280
Speaker 1: know who's going to be one of the finalists for

1746
01:43:25,680 --> 01:43:28,120
Speaker 1: the Democratic nomination for President's going to be the mayor

1747
01:43:28,120 --> 01:43:31,080
Speaker 1: of South Bend. You know, the guy that just and

1748
01:43:31,120 --> 01:43:33,240
Speaker 1: you would say, you mean the guy that lost DNC

1749
01:43:33,400 --> 01:43:36,600
Speaker 1: chair and I'd be like, yeah, that guy. So it

1750
01:43:36,680 --> 01:43:39,360
Speaker 1: tells you the Democratic Party always is looking for what

1751
01:43:39,360 --> 01:43:46,040
Speaker 1: I always say is two things new and somebody who

1752
01:43:46,160 --> 01:43:49,160
Speaker 1: you know, isn't that who hasn't been sort of in

1753
01:43:49,240 --> 01:43:50,599
Speaker 1: their face for the last five.

1754
01:43:50,520 --> 01:43:52,960
Speaker 2: Well, let me say this. The worst place to be

1755
01:43:52,960 --> 01:43:55,680
Speaker 2: in the Democratic Party is front runner three years out.

1756
01:43:56,040 --> 01:43:59,960
Speaker 1: Oh I know. I joke about that with Gavin You're like, okay, yeah,

1757
01:44:00,400 --> 01:44:02,800
Speaker 1: you win the first year and ask Kellary Clayton what

1758
01:44:02,840 --> 01:44:06,160
Speaker 1: that's like. And she was the front runner O five exactly,

1759
01:44:07,160 --> 01:44:10,680
Speaker 1: you know, al Gore was the front runner and oh one.

1760
01:44:11,439 --> 01:44:14,080
Speaker 2: Yeah. But I do think one thing that's very clear,

1761
01:44:14,120 --> 01:44:16,880
Speaker 2: and I say this is look as I evalue, make

1762
01:44:17,000 --> 01:44:20,719
Speaker 2: my view. Yeah, twenty twenty eight and for the country

1763
01:44:20,720 --> 01:44:23,000
Speaker 2: and for the party will be the first primary election

1764
01:44:23,200 --> 01:44:25,600
Speaker 2: and general election in which the future will be on

1765
01:44:25,640 --> 01:44:26,440
Speaker 2: the ballot.

1766
01:44:27,200 --> 01:44:29,080
Speaker 1: You know, we've done that. You could argue that it's

1767
01:44:29,160 --> 01:44:32,479
Speaker 1: funny we do this every twenty years. It's funny how

1768
01:44:32,520 --> 01:44:35,639
Speaker 1: it's worked out that way. Sixty eight wasn't open, eighty

1769
01:44:35,640 --> 01:44:39,960
Speaker 1: eight wasn't open. Eight wasn't open, twenty eight is an open.

1770
01:44:40,000 --> 01:44:42,240
Speaker 1: It's just interesting how it's just fallen that way.

1771
01:44:42,400 --> 01:44:47,519
Speaker 2: And I think we've had make America great again, build

1772
01:44:47,600 --> 01:44:52,000
Speaker 2: back better. You know, well, they're different in many many policyways. Spiritually,

1773
01:44:52,080 --> 01:44:55,040
Speaker 2: they emanate that they look through the rear view mirror

1774
01:44:55,080 --> 01:44:59,240
Speaker 2: with this hazy nostalgic sense rather than look to the

1775
01:44:59,240 --> 01:45:00,479
Speaker 2: future and say, here, what we're going.

1776
01:45:00,479 --> 01:45:01,360
Speaker 1: To do right?

1777
01:45:01,479 --> 01:45:04,400
Speaker 2: You know of a product of Bill Clinton's don't stop

1778
01:45:04,439 --> 01:45:05,600
Speaker 2: thinking about tomorrow.

1779
01:45:05,760 --> 01:45:08,040
Speaker 1: Or building a bridge to the twenty first century. It's

1780
01:45:08,080 --> 01:45:10,760
Speaker 1: one of my favorite like with I mean the joke

1781
01:45:11,000 --> 01:45:12,760
Speaker 1: you tell me fill in the gaps here. But I

1782
01:45:12,760 --> 01:45:16,679
Speaker 1: believe Bill Clinton hadn't figured out what his accepted speech

1783
01:45:16,720 --> 01:45:19,800
Speaker 1: theme was going to be. Bob Dole gave his yeah,

1784
01:45:20,240 --> 01:45:22,360
Speaker 1: and he's like, huh. When he wanted to build a

1785
01:45:22,400 --> 01:45:24,160
Speaker 1: bridge to the fifties or whatever it was, it was

1786
01:45:24,200 --> 01:45:25,320
Speaker 1: a bridge to the past.

1787
01:45:25,160 --> 01:45:27,400
Speaker 2: Very nostalgic. It was a nostalgic.

1788
01:45:26,880 --> 01:45:30,840
Speaker 1: Speech and literally aha, I mean it was sort of

1789
01:45:30,880 --> 01:45:34,680
Speaker 1: that suddenly gave it gave Clinton an idea, right, you know,

1790
01:45:34,800 --> 01:45:35,920
Speaker 1: it allowed him.

1791
01:45:35,960 --> 01:45:38,080
Speaker 2: Not only to be future, but also continue to be

1792
01:45:38,160 --> 01:45:39,719
Speaker 2: changed while you were running as the incumbent.

1793
01:45:40,200 --> 01:45:43,000
Speaker 1: Right, how did we end up? You know, it's funny

1794
01:45:43,080 --> 01:45:46,160
Speaker 1: the rules of politics that I grew up with, you know,

1795
01:45:46,240 --> 01:45:49,600
Speaker 1: whether it was well the candidates to talk about the

1796
01:45:49,600 --> 01:45:52,840
Speaker 1: future when candidates that talk about the past lose. Yet

1797
01:45:52,920 --> 01:45:56,200
Speaker 1: we had three straight presidents, right, Trump twice and Biden

1798
01:45:56,240 --> 01:45:58,479
Speaker 1: once who won by talking about the past.

1799
01:45:59,520 --> 01:46:07,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean each election is each election is slightly different.

1800
01:46:07,280 --> 01:46:09,960
Speaker 2: But maybe take a look at Joe Biden's twenty twenty

1801
01:46:11,200 --> 01:46:16,320
Speaker 2: This is my take. The past wasn't so much the

1802
01:46:16,400 --> 01:46:19,120
Speaker 2: factory or this. It was a time in which there

1803
01:46:19,160 --> 01:46:24,160
Speaker 2: was more comedy than conflict. If you ask me where

1804
01:46:24,200 --> 01:46:29,080
Speaker 2: he broke faith with the public, wasn't Yes, he made

1805
01:46:29,080 --> 01:46:33,080
Speaker 2: an implyed pledge. She never disabused the public. I'm not

1806
01:46:33,160 --> 01:46:35,760
Speaker 2: running again at twenty twenty four, then broke in. But

1807
01:46:35,840 --> 01:46:38,479
Speaker 2: I think the bigger pledge he broke with the public

1808
01:46:41,080 --> 01:46:46,639
Speaker 2: my observation. And I still think he'll man. He's a friend,

1809
01:46:46,640 --> 01:46:48,400
Speaker 2: and I think he I have a different view over

1810
01:46:48,439 --> 01:46:51,960
Speaker 2: the presidency. But his bigger break was he said I'm

1811
01:46:51,960 --> 01:46:55,519
Speaker 2: going to bring more comedy, and he ended up trying

1812
01:46:55,560 --> 01:46:58,880
Speaker 2: to unite the party, not the country. And I think

1813
01:46:58,960 --> 01:47:02,320
Speaker 2: that's where he gets off the rails. I think if

1814
01:47:02,320 --> 01:47:06,240
Speaker 2: you ask me why the party, why the country wanted

1815
01:47:06,280 --> 01:47:11,240
Speaker 2: some of this kind of nostalgic was And this is

1816
01:47:11,280 --> 01:47:14,040
Speaker 2: something I've been working through when you say, look, we've

1817
01:47:14,040 --> 01:47:16,800
Speaker 2: had our political difference, as partisanship is not do new

1818
01:47:16,840 --> 01:47:19,839
Speaker 2: to American politics. Fighting hard is not new to America.

1819
01:47:20,080 --> 01:47:22,600
Speaker 2: But there was a kind of a boundary sense.

1820
01:47:22,840 --> 01:47:24,800
Speaker 1: We were exhausted. We did to reset.

1821
01:47:24,960 --> 01:47:28,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, and this this is a uh and I

1822
01:47:28,680 --> 01:47:30,800
Speaker 2: you know, look, you got three more years of Donald Trump.

1823
01:47:31,280 --> 01:47:33,080
Speaker 2: So the question is, and I think this will be.

1824
01:47:33,120 --> 01:47:34,560
Speaker 2: This is what I'm betting on, is the country is

1825
01:47:34,560 --> 01:47:36,800
Speaker 2: going to look at this and say, Okay, the puck

1826
01:47:36,920 --> 01:47:39,679
Speaker 2: will be not to have a democratic version of Donald Trump.

1827
01:47:40,120 --> 01:47:43,360
Speaker 2: The puck is going to be how do we Yeah,

1828
01:47:43,479 --> 01:47:45,479
Speaker 2: And I think that's actually what's you know, one of

1829
01:47:45,479 --> 01:47:47,240
Speaker 2: the things I've talked about is the party should be

1830
01:47:47,280 --> 01:47:49,880
Speaker 2: post Minneapolis. I know this will come. Yes, there's an

1831
01:47:49,920 --> 01:47:55,800
Speaker 2: ice component, there's an immigration component, there's actually, I think

1832
01:47:55,800 --> 01:48:00,200
Speaker 2: all the people in Minneapolis showed their true citizenship is

1833
01:48:01,520 --> 01:48:04,840
Speaker 2: not to democracy. But also I have an obligation to

1834
01:48:04,880 --> 01:48:07,160
Speaker 2: my neighbor. I have an obligation to the person down

1835
01:48:07,240 --> 01:48:10,599
Speaker 2: the road. And I believe the answer to the future

1836
01:48:10,920 --> 01:48:16,200
Speaker 2: is national service, reigniting that sense of bonds. Not your diversity,

1837
01:48:16,280 --> 01:48:19,240
Speaker 2: not your differences, but your commonality. And I think the

1838
01:48:19,240 --> 01:48:22,360
Speaker 2: country's isn't desperate form, which is why going back to

1839
01:48:22,560 --> 01:48:25,759
Speaker 2: five but is recently his last year for the paper

1840
01:48:25,840 --> 01:48:29,160
Speaker 2: The Washington Boss wrote about the need for national service.

1841
01:48:30,000 --> 01:48:32,840
Speaker 2: I am the last six months of high school should

1842
01:48:32,880 --> 01:48:37,760
Speaker 2: be mandatory. Six months clean a river, work alongside kids

1843
01:48:37,760 --> 01:48:42,200
Speaker 2: you never met, tutor, do a series of things because

1844
01:48:42,240 --> 01:48:46,320
Speaker 2: guess what, being an American is a gift. Yeah, and

1845
01:48:46,400 --> 01:48:49,320
Speaker 2: you need to reach I treat that gift with care.

1846
01:48:49,920 --> 01:48:53,320
Speaker 1: It's the single best idea Clinton had in the nineties,

1847
01:48:53,320 --> 01:48:56,240
Speaker 1: and I'm sorry it never I believe the Right killed

1848
01:48:56,240 --> 01:48:57,599
Speaker 1: it because they thought it was gonna.

1849
01:48:57,680 --> 01:49:01,120
Speaker 2: Well he did. He got court two things.

1850
01:49:01,120 --> 01:49:01,840
Speaker 1: He got Americ Corps.

1851
01:49:01,840 --> 01:49:04,200
Speaker 2: But the right, I'll give you a great anecdote, so

1852
01:49:04,520 --> 01:49:06,880
Speaker 2: we get Americrps doesn't get as big as he wants.

1853
01:49:07,040 --> 01:49:14,320
Speaker 2: Compromises et cetera. John McCain and Lindsey Graham come to

1854
01:49:14,400 --> 01:49:20,000
Speaker 2: Chicago in the Obama transition. One of the things that

1855
01:49:20,200 --> 01:49:24,880
Speaker 2: and we have a meeting there President elect Obama, Senator McCain,

1856
01:49:24,920 --> 01:49:31,799
Speaker 2: Senator Lindsay Graham, and UH and myself. There's a commitment

1857
01:49:31,800 --> 01:49:33,559
Speaker 2: that is, we're dealing with the auto industry and we're

1858
01:49:33,600 --> 01:49:37,559
Speaker 2: dealing with the financial you know, we will do a

1859
01:49:37,640 --> 01:49:42,479
Speaker 2: rewrite of both America or National Service and Peace Corps.

1860
01:49:42,800 --> 01:49:46,200
Speaker 2: And if you get past Lily Ledbetter, that shows health,

1861
01:49:46,360 --> 01:49:51,160
Speaker 2: the recovery, the budget team they and obviously Kennedy's ill.

1862
01:49:51,240 --> 01:49:54,960
Speaker 2: So there's an interest, there's a bigger motive to uh

1863
01:49:55,240 --> 01:49:58,320
Speaker 2: fulfill the pledge that the President of elect Obama and

1864
01:49:58,640 --> 01:50:03,080
Speaker 2: they chok on it, and that becomes in the spring

1865
01:50:03,120 --> 01:50:06,920
Speaker 2: of nine, the President signs into along with pass and

1866
01:50:07,240 --> 01:50:10,519
Speaker 2: a significant expansion of both AmeriCorps and the Peace Corps

1867
01:50:10,640 --> 01:50:13,639
Speaker 2: National Service legislation. But if you go back to Clinton,

1868
01:50:14,240 --> 01:50:16,920
Speaker 2: it was cut down. You know, those were the days

1869
01:50:17,240 --> 01:50:19,240
Speaker 2: it was coming out of seriously things. But he's still

1870
01:50:19,280 --> 01:50:22,680
Speaker 2: got amer Corps done. Yeah, not just.

1871
01:50:22,600 --> 01:50:28,040
Speaker 1: Because he wanted I got two more questions. He said,

1872
01:50:28,120 --> 01:50:29,560
Speaker 1: two more topics for you, and then I get you

1873
01:50:29,560 --> 01:50:30,000
Speaker 1: out of here.

1874
01:50:30,360 --> 01:50:34,879
Speaker 2: Yeah, one is and sniffling, But I got a head.

1875
01:50:35,600 --> 01:50:39,800
Speaker 1: I get it, I get it. Yeah, one is. Are

1876
01:50:39,800 --> 01:50:42,160
Speaker 1: we at a I think we're at a moment. We

1877
01:50:42,160 --> 01:50:43,960
Speaker 1: had the robber barons one hundred years ago, we have

1878
01:50:44,000 --> 01:50:47,800
Speaker 1: the tech titans of today. I think the anger at

1879
01:50:48,000 --> 01:50:52,280
Speaker 1: rich people I am, I am, I joke all the time.

1880
01:50:52,360 --> 01:50:55,160
Speaker 1: The pitchforks are being sharpened. And there are pitchforks in

1881
01:50:55,200 --> 01:50:59,040
Speaker 1: both parties right in different reasons, and they're coming. Yeah,

1882
01:51:00,160 --> 01:51:02,800
Speaker 1: what does this look like in an in in an

1883
01:51:02,800 --> 01:51:05,439
Speaker 1: A Ram administration? What do you what is tru And

1884
01:51:05,720 --> 01:51:09,760
Speaker 1: do we need a trust busting moment? And can you

1885
01:51:09,840 --> 01:51:14,479
Speaker 1: run against billionaires without coming across as against you don't

1886
01:51:14,479 --> 01:51:15,040
Speaker 1: make money?

1887
01:51:16,120 --> 01:51:19,040
Speaker 2: Well, here's the thing. I actually think one of the

1888
01:51:19,040 --> 01:51:22,760
Speaker 2: big problems facing the country is that our entire tax

1889
01:51:22,800 --> 01:51:26,479
Speaker 2: code is is now focused on wealth preservation, not wealth creation.

1890
01:51:27,400 --> 01:51:30,320
Speaker 2: When you really rip take Mitt Romney and he writes

1891
01:51:30,320 --> 01:51:33,320
Speaker 2: this up ed tax me more. But when you take

1892
01:51:33,360 --> 01:51:35,599
Speaker 2: each of the pieces and components that he talks about

1893
01:51:36,840 --> 01:51:39,519
Speaker 2: the whole, that's I don't mean to get technical, step up.

1894
01:51:40,200 --> 01:51:42,559
Speaker 2: It's about preserving wealth and it's not about creating wealth.

1895
01:51:42,560 --> 01:51:44,920
Speaker 2: It's not passing out to another generations. You never passed

1896
01:51:44,960 --> 01:51:48,720
Speaker 2: big taxes. This is insane. Now he does it from

1897
01:51:48,760 --> 01:51:51,719
Speaker 2: a fiscal perspective. I would take it from an investment

1898
01:51:51,760 --> 01:51:55,280
Speaker 2: perspective into future generations. And I'm based on my friendship

1899
01:51:55,280 --> 01:51:59,640
Speaker 2: with former Sarah Ronnie Romney Mitt. I don't think you

1900
01:51:59,640 --> 01:52:01,600
Speaker 2: would just agree with a number of things. There'd be

1901
01:52:01,640 --> 01:52:04,320
Speaker 2: more consensus on what the things you should pestine put

1902
01:52:04,400 --> 01:52:08,920
Speaker 2: that aside look like. Is that when I said, first

1903
01:52:08,960 --> 01:52:13,479
Speaker 2: person to say in either party sixteen and younger, no

1904
01:52:13,560 --> 01:52:17,840
Speaker 2: more social media apps. Protect the kids. And I've never

1905
01:52:17,880 --> 01:52:20,400
Speaker 2: met a parent in all my walkings around the country.

1906
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Speaker 2: My kid needs more time on the screen.

1907
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Speaker 1: I've never met that paron okay exactly.

1908
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Speaker 2: They feel that these guys have taken their kids away

1909
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Speaker 2: from them and are raising them on an algorithm that's addictive,

1910
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Speaker 2: and there's as much anger at that, as much as

1911
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Speaker 2: nobody has told these people bosto, take your hands off

1912
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Speaker 2: my kids. So there's a wealth piece, there's a power piece,

1913
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Speaker 2: and they feel like the government's role and we've been

1914
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Speaker 2: the government has been a well is to basically equal

1915
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Speaker 2: this out when it gets out of kilter. The era

1916
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Speaker 2: you're talking about whether that's the railroad barons, the conglomerate barons,

1917
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Speaker 2: or going into as Roosevelt Franklin Roosevelt. The scales are

1918
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Speaker 2: tipped where heads eye win and tails you lose.

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Speaker 1: Well, I thought, I thought Bernie Sanders made an interesting

1920
01:53:09,080 --> 01:53:11,679
Speaker 1: point the other day about the interest in the Epstein files.

1921
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Speaker 1: That look, the point he made fits his long term messaging.

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Speaker 1: So you know, God bless Bernie. It's always about the

1923
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Speaker 1: billionaires and the millionaires. But I do think he made

1924
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Speaker 1: this observation, which he says, the interest in the Epstein files,

1925
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Speaker 1: beyond the conspiracy theorist is because people are tired of

1926
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Speaker 1: these rich guys playing by their own set of rules us.

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Speaker 1: And I think he's right.

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Speaker 2: No, no, there's no doubt. I mean, look, that was

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Speaker 2: part of you know, my view when I advocated for

1930
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Speaker 2: Old Testament justice to the bankers. Right now, basically, here

1931
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Speaker 2: you are, your home is everything to you. You get

1932
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Speaker 2: liar loans, you lose your home. And these rich punks

1933
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Speaker 2: are talking about the bonuses and not one of them

1934
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Speaker 2: ever paid a problem thing of accountability legally professionally, and

1935
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Speaker 2: they walk around like it was you know, that was

1936
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Speaker 2: the financial trade.

1937
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Speaker 1: Do you see what let's happen. These crypto guys basically said, well,

1938
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Speaker 1: screw the Democrats, We're just going to go buy off

1939
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Speaker 1: the Republicans.

1940
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Speaker 2: And they have Want to just be clear, every decision

1941
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Speaker 2: the Court's ever made on politics, whether it's money, silver

1942
01:54:13,760 --> 01:54:17,040
Speaker 2: Voting Rights Act, et cetera, they've made the democracy harder

1943
01:54:17,320 --> 01:54:21,920
Speaker 2: and concentrated around wealth Supreme Court. Every one of their

1944
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Speaker 2: decisions around politics has made the system worse.

1945
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Speaker 1: What do you make of Jeff Bezos and what he's

1946
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Speaker 1: doing and what.

1947
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Speaker 2: Do you mean at Washington Post? Yeah, I didn't look

1948
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Speaker 2: for a guy that's I mean, not my money, But

1949
01:54:41,000 --> 01:54:44,600
Speaker 2: in the last year your net worth has increased, I

1950
01:54:44,600 --> 01:54:48,680
Speaker 2: mean billions zeros that people will never see. The Washington

1951
01:54:48,720 --> 01:54:51,880
Speaker 2: Post is non profit. It's a institution that serves the

1952
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Speaker 2: public good. You're lucky to be the steward of it.

1953
01:54:57,000 --> 01:54:59,520
Speaker 2: There's not charity from you. This is a contribution to

1954
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Speaker 2: our democ And I think he's.

1955
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Speaker 1: Like twenty thirteen, Jeff Bezos seemed to believe that. Oh

1956
01:55:06,360 --> 01:55:06,960
Speaker 1: then he bought it.

1957
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, you know, I don't know whether he

1958
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Speaker 2: did it. A proper analysis to realize newspapers Breaking News

1959
01:55:16,680 --> 01:55:19,640
Speaker 2: Live at ten don't make money out right. Okay, so

1960
01:55:20,120 --> 01:55:24,640
Speaker 2: your job here is not to lose money, But don't

1961
01:55:24,720 --> 01:55:26,400
Speaker 2: kidd me. You knew what you were doing when you

1962
01:55:26,400 --> 01:55:30,600
Speaker 2: got in. It's actually a public it's almost like an endowment.

1963
01:55:30,640 --> 01:55:35,560
Speaker 2: It's a public interest. So I'm not for it. And

1964
01:55:35,720 --> 01:55:40,040
Speaker 2: the notion that it's not like you're struggling. You don't

1965
01:55:40,080 --> 01:55:43,000
Speaker 2: know anything about the snap program from food benefits, et cetera.

1966
01:55:43,360 --> 01:55:45,840
Speaker 2: The idea that given that you have just made off

1967
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Speaker 2: the stock market billions, and I'm not saying that losing

1968
01:55:51,720 --> 01:55:54,800
Speaker 2: one hundred million is easy, but it doesn't change. There's

1969
01:55:54,880 --> 01:55:59,120
Speaker 2: not one vacation, one outfit, or one holiday that you

1970
01:55:59,160 --> 01:56:02,600
Speaker 2: have to cancel because of the washing Post. Nothing in

1971
01:56:02,640 --> 01:56:04,720
Speaker 2: your standard of living has changed.

1972
01:56:05,480 --> 01:56:08,520
Speaker 1: And by the way, I would argue that, hey, you

1973
01:56:08,560 --> 01:56:11,360
Speaker 1: can figure out how to lose less even make a

1974
01:56:11,400 --> 01:56:15,120
Speaker 1: couple of bucks if you have better, more innovative leadership.

1975
01:56:15,120 --> 01:56:22,920
Speaker 1: And he had terrible leadership being Jewish and being a Democrat.

1976
01:56:23,080 --> 01:56:25,840
Speaker 1: You know, one of the things I've said is, look,

1977
01:56:25,960 --> 01:56:29,520
Speaker 1: before Donald Trump came down the escalator, I never felt

1978
01:56:29,800 --> 01:56:33,240
Speaker 1: as if my Jewish identity would come first as far

1979
01:56:33,280 --> 01:56:37,080
Speaker 1: as how people judged my work. After he came down

1980
01:56:37,080 --> 01:56:39,760
Speaker 1: that escalator. That suddenly was interesting to me, how that

1981
01:56:39,840 --> 01:56:41,920
Speaker 1: it was the first time I'd ever experienced any sort

1982
01:56:41,960 --> 01:56:45,960
Speaker 1: of anti semitism. And I joke that when I hear

1983
01:56:45,960 --> 01:56:48,280
Speaker 1: the word populism now it doesn't matter if I hear

1984
01:56:48,320 --> 01:56:49,880
Speaker 1: it on the left or the right. I know the

1985
01:56:49,920 --> 01:56:51,360
Speaker 1: next words out of their mouth is going to be

1986
01:56:51,360 --> 01:56:59,600
Speaker 1: something attacking Jews. How welcoming do you think a Jewish

1987
01:56:59,640 --> 01:57:01,760
Speaker 1: candidate for president? How welcome do you think a Jewish

1988
01:57:01,760 --> 01:57:03,800
Speaker 1: Canada for president is going to be in a democratic primer?

1989
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Speaker 2: Well, one is, don't worry about my faith. Worry about

1990
01:57:10,000 --> 01:57:13,160
Speaker 2: the faith America people of America have in America. That's

1991
01:57:13,160 --> 01:57:16,920
Speaker 2: what's hurting. I'm good with my faith. My Rabbi thinks

1992
01:57:16,960 --> 01:57:20,800
Speaker 2: I could do better. I say that tongue in cheap

1993
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Speaker 2: is here, and do I live by the Jewish moral

1994
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Speaker 2: code as best as I can and as best as

1995
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Speaker 2: the teaching of the Jews, and it's the work of progress.

1996
01:57:32,120 --> 01:57:34,600
Speaker 2: My faith is not Your concern is the fact that

1997
01:57:34,640 --> 01:57:37,080
Speaker 2: the whole generation of Americans have lost faith in America.

1998
01:57:37,320 --> 01:57:39,640
Speaker 2: I think America's lost faith in them. That's what we

1999
01:57:39,640 --> 01:57:45,040
Speaker 2: should be worried about. Second, since you like politics and

2000
01:57:45,040 --> 01:57:48,880
Speaker 2: love politics. I got elected to the congressional district. That

2001
01:57:48,960 --> 01:57:53,600
Speaker 2: Dan rossen Kowski, Roman Pucinski, Franken Nunzio, Rob Bigoevitch, Mike

2002
01:57:53,600 --> 01:57:56,800
Speaker 2: Flanagan and all along comes from Israel, Emanuel.

2003
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Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, not a single bunch of Catholics huh.

2004
01:58:00,440 --> 01:58:01,880
Speaker 2: Eat European Catholics.

2005
01:58:02,200 --> 01:58:04,840
Speaker 1: Catholics, Okay, love us Jews.

2006
01:58:05,640 --> 01:58:11,360
Speaker 2: In Chicago after a long run of Irish Catholics and

2007
01:58:11,400 --> 01:58:14,400
Speaker 2: other type of ethnic out city that's only two to

2008
01:58:14,400 --> 01:58:17,080
Speaker 2: three percent the city that my grandfather came to when

2009
01:58:17,120 --> 01:58:20,080
Speaker 2: he was fifteen, one hundred years earlier. His grandson gets elected.

2010
01:58:20,680 --> 01:58:22,760
Speaker 2: So I've seen the other side of this now that

2011
01:58:22,960 --> 01:58:29,160
Speaker 2: is separate a faith issue from Israel, which is a

2012
01:58:29,200 --> 01:58:29,920
Speaker 2: different issue.

2013
01:58:30,000 --> 01:58:33,120
Speaker 1: Well, it's completely conflated. You know. My frustration is, you

2014
01:58:33,120 --> 01:58:36,240
Speaker 1: know it could be pro Israel and critical of BB.

2015
01:58:36,560 --> 01:58:37,560
Speaker 1: Can't you accept that?

2016
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Speaker 2: Jun There's one person in the Democratic Party that BB

2017
01:58:42,360 --> 01:58:45,840
Speaker 2: Netton now who in two thousand and nine, because of

2018
01:58:45,840 --> 01:58:49,280
Speaker 2: his difference on housing in the West Main called a

2019
01:58:49,320 --> 01:58:52,520
Speaker 2: self hating Jew. Believe and you're looking at yeah, he

2020
01:58:52,800 --> 01:58:53,240
Speaker 2: writes it.

2021
01:58:53,200 --> 01:58:54,880
Speaker 1: In his book You an Axel Rod? Right then he

2022
01:58:55,000 --> 01:58:57,720
Speaker 1: say David's Rod and ram a bunch of self hating Jews.

2023
01:58:57,800 --> 01:59:02,840
Speaker 2: Yeah that yeah, Ram is Emmanuel self hating joke. Maybe.

2024
01:59:03,680 --> 01:59:05,640
Speaker 2: And I didn't need a war to realize this guy

2025
01:59:05,800 --> 01:59:09,120
Speaker 2: was wrong, that he was leading Israel into the wrong place.

2026
01:59:09,240 --> 01:59:12,360
Speaker 2: He's not a real scientist when it comes to the

2027
01:59:12,400 --> 01:59:15,879
Speaker 2: tradition of what it believes to be a nation of nations.

2028
01:59:16,040 --> 01:59:19,920
Speaker 2: That's what Bengorian says. He's walked away from the vision

2029
01:59:20,120 --> 01:59:22,440
Speaker 2: of what it is. He has been turned his back

2030
01:59:22,760 --> 01:59:26,240
Speaker 2: on the spirit of Zionism. And to me, my faith

2031
01:59:26,760 --> 01:59:29,800
Speaker 2: is me and my God and my Rabbi. It's the

2032
01:59:29,840 --> 01:59:32,240
Speaker 2: faith people have in America that we should be focused

2033
01:59:32,240 --> 01:59:36,160
Speaker 2: on as it relates to Israel. Before everybody else said,

2034
01:59:36,240 --> 01:59:38,600
Speaker 2: oh my god, look what this guy's doing twenty years ago,

2035
01:59:38,960 --> 01:59:40,800
Speaker 2: I told him. And I didn't say it behind his back.

2036
01:59:40,880 --> 01:59:42,480
Speaker 2: I said it to his face in the Oval.

2037
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Speaker 1: Office, right because the assumption was you might have more

2038
01:59:45,360 --> 01:59:46,520
Speaker 1: credibility with him right now.

2039
01:59:46,600 --> 01:59:49,720
Speaker 2: Let me also say, Obama had to separate us. That's

2040
01:59:49,760 --> 01:59:51,600
Speaker 2: how I got and I said, what you're doing on

2041
01:59:51,680 --> 01:59:55,560
Speaker 2: housing in the West Bank is going to destroy and

2042
01:59:55,680 --> 01:59:59,080
Speaker 2: isolate Israel. As perituved out, well enough, here we are,

2043
01:59:59,440 --> 02:00:02,960
Speaker 2: and Chuck, Israel's never been more strategically secure and more

2044
02:00:02,960 --> 02:00:08,160
Speaker 2: politically internationally isolated. Welcome to Bibi's world, mister Sparta. That's

2045
02:00:08,160 --> 02:00:10,520
Speaker 2: what he wanted and that's what he's getting, but Israeli

2046
02:00:10,600 --> 02:00:14,200
Speaker 2: public will not support it. And what he's done in

2047
02:00:14,280 --> 02:00:16,120
Speaker 2: all the regions in the last two years has made

2048
02:00:16,280 --> 02:00:20,640
Speaker 2: Israel more vulnerable than it was before.

2049
02:00:21,000 --> 02:00:22,600
Speaker 1: How much of a litmus test do you think this

2050
02:00:22,680 --> 02:00:24,960
Speaker 1: should be and will be? For Democrats?

2051
02:00:25,040 --> 02:00:27,200
Speaker 2: You can't have a war like this, etc. Then it

2052
02:00:27,280 --> 02:00:31,080
Speaker 2: should be debated as should be a president is going

2053
02:00:31,160 --> 02:00:33,680
Speaker 2: to do something with China that's going to actually benefit

2054
02:00:33,760 --> 02:00:37,520
Speaker 2: him and endanger America, as should be sending chips to

2055
02:00:37,680 --> 02:00:40,800
Speaker 2: UAE so your family can make money. All of us

2056
02:00:40,800 --> 02:00:43,000
Speaker 2: should be on the table, because if you can't handle

2057
02:00:43,000 --> 02:00:46,120
Speaker 2: the national security, you can't handle that job.

2058
02:00:47,600 --> 02:00:51,120
Speaker 1: How much of Israel's politics I joke about this is Israel.

2059
02:00:51,480 --> 02:00:54,440
Speaker 1: Israel's politics is as polarized as ours is. Right, here's

2060
02:00:54,480 --> 02:00:58,879
Speaker 1: a note. They have an unpopular person who keeps becoming

2061
02:00:58,880 --> 02:01:02,880
Speaker 1: their leader. This is what right? Are is Israel our

2062
02:01:02,960 --> 02:01:06,200
Speaker 1: past or our future? Did we export polarization or are

2063
02:01:06,200 --> 02:01:07,280
Speaker 1: we starting to emulate that.

2064
02:01:07,960 --> 02:01:12,840
Speaker 2: This is this? That this is like a whole nother show.

2065
02:01:12,880 --> 02:01:21,120
Speaker 2: But I will say, you have a it's really it's

2066
02:01:21,160 --> 02:01:24,240
Speaker 2: not our future. And I meant what I said earlier.

2067
02:01:25,240 --> 02:01:28,440
Speaker 2: I think the Supreme Court, not the lower courts. Supreme

2068
02:01:28,480 --> 02:01:31,600
Speaker 2: Courts under Roberts has failed. I think the Republicans in

2069
02:01:31,640 --> 02:01:35,920
Speaker 2: Congress have failed. I think the corporate titans in their

2070
02:01:35,960 --> 02:01:39,120
Speaker 2: silence when they know under their breath it has failed.

2071
02:01:39,480 --> 02:01:42,600
Speaker 2: The thin blue line that will protect this country are

2072
02:01:42,600 --> 02:01:44,800
Speaker 2: the American people. And it's why Donald Trump is going

2073
02:01:44,880 --> 02:01:46,720
Speaker 2: to do everything between now an election day to make

2074
02:01:46,760 --> 02:01:49,280
Speaker 2: sure they're not hurt, because they will actually return the

2075
02:01:49,280 --> 02:01:51,040
Speaker 2: country to its proper balance.

2076
02:01:55,400 --> 02:01:58,240
Speaker 1: So you're putting on the you're putting on whether Israel's

2077
02:01:58,240 --> 02:01:59,080
Speaker 1: are past or our future?

2078
02:01:59,320 --> 02:02:03,480
Speaker 2: Right on punting damn right. That's a because I can't

2079
02:02:03,520 --> 02:02:06,560
Speaker 2: give that answer without it being like twenty more questions.

2080
02:02:07,080 --> 02:02:10,640
Speaker 1: No, it's a it's a fair point. Yeah, if Democrats

2081
02:02:10,640 --> 02:02:14,240
Speaker 1: fail to win the midterms, what is that? You know?

2082
02:02:14,760 --> 02:02:15,800
Speaker 1: How does that look?

2083
02:02:15,840 --> 02:02:16,320
Speaker 2: I look?

2084
02:02:16,880 --> 02:02:17,760
Speaker 1: Or you just don't see it.

2085
02:02:19,000 --> 02:02:22,240
Speaker 2: There's one pat when you have one party controlled the

2086
02:02:22,280 --> 02:02:28,120
Speaker 2: microphone and the gabble, there's a law of physics, massive

2087
02:02:28,160 --> 02:02:30,680
Speaker 2: turnout by the party out of power every election. All

2088
02:02:30,720 --> 02:02:36,080
Speaker 2: thirty of them plus have shown that two independence break

2089
02:02:36,120 --> 02:02:38,200
Speaker 2: two to one for the party out of power. Every

2090
02:02:38,240 --> 02:02:42,360
Speaker 2: election has shown that three low turnout by the incumbent

2091
02:02:42,360 --> 02:02:46,720
Speaker 2: party voters. Every election has shown that this is set up.

2092
02:02:47,120 --> 02:02:48,840
Speaker 2: I still hold by what I said, so I haven't

2093
02:02:48,880 --> 02:02:51,320
Speaker 2: changed my position. At twenty minutes, we are going to

2094
02:02:51,400 --> 02:02:53,800
Speaker 2: know the future by May fifteenth.

2095
02:02:53,840 --> 02:02:56,320
Speaker 1: I think you're right. From Emmanuel, it's always a pleasure.

2096
02:02:56,640 --> 02:02:57,800
Speaker 1: Thanks aways make me think too.

2097
02:02:58,320 --> 02:03:01,120
Speaker 2: We'll come back. We'll come back on do it America

2098
02:03:01,280 --> 02:03:02,440
Speaker 2: mirror images of each other.

2099
02:03:03,800 --> 02:03:05,480
Speaker 1: There's a whole documentary to do on that.

2100
02:03:05,600 --> 02:03:08,880
Speaker 2: Now it's it's uh uh and I do think one

2101
02:03:08,960 --> 02:03:10,640
Speaker 2: last thing I'll say and then I gotta.

2102
02:03:11,040 --> 02:03:13,080
Speaker 1: You gotta get better.

2103
02:03:13,480 --> 02:03:17,400
Speaker 2: But yeah, it's a headquarter. Our job is to restore

2104
02:03:17,440 --> 02:03:21,040
Speaker 2: the faith of the American people in America. My faith

2105
02:03:22,080 --> 02:03:25,440
Speaker 2: is good. I have to work on it like everybody

2106
02:03:25,440 --> 02:03:27,720
Speaker 2: else has to do on there. It's restoring if you

2107
02:03:27,800 --> 02:03:31,200
Speaker 2: run for the big higher office, it's restoring that faith.

2108
02:03:31,320 --> 02:03:33,720
Speaker 2: That is the most important task out of us.

2109
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Speaker 1: Well, that's that's a that's a good pivot that makes

2110
02:03:36,480 --> 02:03:38,480
Speaker 1: because you're right, a lot of people have los are

2111
02:03:38,480 --> 02:03:41,840
Speaker 1: losing faith in the idea of America. And it's not

2112
02:03:41,880 --> 02:03:43,800
Speaker 1: just us, A lot of our allies feel that way.

2113
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Speaker 2: Yes, all right, brother, there's always.

2114
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Speaker 1: By the way, one of the things that I wouldn't

2115
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Speaker 1: mind hearing from you, the viewers. We love suggest booking suggestions.

2116
02:04:05,560 --> 02:04:09,400
Speaker 1: We get plenty of booking people throwing stuff our way.

2117
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Speaker 1: But if there are specific candidates or individuals or historians

2118
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Speaker 1: you'd like to hear on the podcast, don't be shy.

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Speaker 1: Let us know. Ask Chuck at thechucktodcast dot com. Yes,

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Speaker 1: the same place that you send all your brilliant pieces

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Speaker 1: of email and analysis and questions to me that I'd

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Speaker 1: love to read and absorb. But please use that address

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Speaker 1: if you've got any other folks you'd like to see us.

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Speaker 1: My goal is to try to between now and the

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Speaker 1: filing deadline for the Iowa Caucuses if they are indeed

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Speaker 1: first in the nation come January of twenty twenty seven,

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Speaker 1: I hope everybody of consequence that's running for president that

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Speaker 1: I get to spend thirty to forty five minutes here

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Speaker 1: with us. So with that, one quick adendum before I

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Speaker 1: get to the Toddcast time Machine event for this week,

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Speaker 1: and that is it's like a little we had a

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Speaker 1: little coda to the Washington Post events. Will Lewis the

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Speaker 1: publisher in name only, I guess because he was nowhere

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Speaker 1: to be found at the announcement of the layoffs. He

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Speaker 1: was nowhere to be found in frankly, the last nine

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Speaker 1: months of the newsroom itself. A photo showed up of

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Speaker 1: him at the Super Bowl at one of the pre

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Speaker 1: parties on the red carpet for NFL honors. And let's

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Speaker 1: say that, suddenly an email resignation statement showed up and

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Speaker 1: a lot of inboxes come Saturday. I believe it was

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Speaker 1: Saturday morning that a very abrupt he thanked Jeff Bezos

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Speaker 1: and walked away, had nothing to say about the journalists

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Speaker 1: that he oversaw for a couple of years. So will

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Speaker 1: lewis cementing his place as the single worst publisher in

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Speaker 1: the history of the Washington Post. So congratulations mister Lewis

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Speaker 1: on that, and probably you know, on hire should be

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Speaker 1: seen in journalism circles. It's completely unhiable, just completely unhiable

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Speaker 1: to run to run an enterprise. He might, he might

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Speaker 1: have some smart things to say about trend lines and

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Speaker 1: what's happening, but a manager of people and a leader

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Speaker 1: of people he is not. And I think that that

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Speaker 1: is obvious. Look, it's it's it is. It's really weird

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Speaker 1: to be sort of, you know, our fourth day five

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Speaker 1: without essentially without the Washington Post, because I know, yes,

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Speaker 1: there's national reporter still doing good work, there's a congressional

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Speaker 1: team that's still doing good work, and I don't want

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Speaker 1: to I don't want to shit on them. Okay, but

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Speaker 1: you know, the Washington Post is going to slowly essentially

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Speaker 1: fade into more is relevant in Washington as Politico, which

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Speaker 1: is there's nothing wrong professional professionally political punch bowl relevant

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Speaker 1: and professionally, the Washington Post will be relatant as a

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Speaker 1: member and a leader of the of the d m

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Speaker 1: V in this community. It's over. That's what's dead, and

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Speaker 1: the idea that they don't care about local sports, which

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Speaker 1: is just such an important part of the community. So

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Speaker 1: it's in that vein that I have a you know,

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Speaker 1: sometimes sometimes I have interesting business ideas that I don't

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Speaker 1: share with you because I'm working on them myself. And

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Speaker 1: then sometimes there are things that are above my pay grade,

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Speaker 1: you know, and instead feel like something a challenge that

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Speaker 1: should be issued publicly. So here's my public challenge to

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Speaker 1: the three major sports owners of the Washington, DC market,

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Speaker 1: Mark Lerner, who runs the Nationals, Ted Leons's owner of

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Speaker 1: both the Caps and the Wizards, and Josh Harris, own

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Speaker 1: owner of the Washington Commanders. You three have an enormous

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Speaker 1: interest in having a local and regional news organization that

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Speaker 1: is trusted, that is frankly a bit of a cheerleader

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Speaker 1: to the local sports teams, even if they are will

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Speaker 1: ever once in a while attack all of you for

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Speaker 1: doing crappy things as owners every once in a while

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Speaker 1: because we fans might get upset at you because we

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Speaker 1: want to spend your money in ways that you don't

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Speaker 1: want to spend your money. My tongue is I'm going

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Speaker 1: hard in cheek here a little bit, but you get

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Speaker 1: my point. But you you know, if your teams don't

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Speaker 1: get attention and people don't know what you're up to,

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Speaker 1: then maybe you have a harder time selling season tickets

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Speaker 1: and maybe have a harder time selling single game tickets.

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Speaker 1: Maybe have a harder time letting people know that Taylor

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Speaker 1: Swift's coming to the new RFK or Bad Bunny's coming

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Speaker 1: to the Capitol One Arena. And I say this because

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Speaker 1: both Josh Harris and Ted leones Is in particular. I

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Speaker 1: don't know the history of Mark Learner's investments, but both

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Speaker 1: have invested in media organizations in the past. Josh Harris

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Speaker 1: has been a funder and has made money off of

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Speaker 1: investments on new startups in the past. By the way,

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Speaker 1: I want to throw my Mark Ain into this conversation.

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Speaker 1: He's another sort of major player in the Washington sports market.

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Speaker 1: He's one of the I think minority owners and investors

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Speaker 1: and the commanders owns. I think he's very involved in

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Speaker 1: the professional tennis league that's here, and I believe in

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Speaker 1: some of the soccer franchise as well. So and he's

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Speaker 1: also very much a what I'd say is a member

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Speaker 1: of the Washington community in some ways of more vocal

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Speaker 1: than some of his other fellow sports investors there. So

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Speaker 1: I should have included Mark iin into this, but I'm

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Speaker 1: saying it publicly. You guys know how to get a

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Speaker 1: hold of me, so I'm happy to help out in

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Speaker 1: any way possible. But I think it's you in your

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Speaker 1: best interests to come help fund. Whether it's d MV today,

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Speaker 1: maybe it's a sports vertical at first, sports local culture.

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Speaker 1: The point is, you guys have the resources to do this.

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Speaker 1: Don't hire Will Lewis to do it. That would be

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Speaker 1: my number one piece of advice. But beyond that, I

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Speaker 1: hope you have an open door for whether it's myself,

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Speaker 1: whether it's my friend Kara Swisher. And speaking of Kara Swisher,

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Speaker 1: she's my guest this week on my new Sphere program

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Speaker 1: Sunday Night with Chuck Todd. And I'll just put it

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Speaker 1: this way. If you enjoy hearing sentences that include Jeff

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Speaker 1: Bezos in the F word, you're gonna love this Kara

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Speaker 1: Swisher interview. She doesn't hold anything back. She's got a

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Speaker 1: lot of strong opinions, and she knows these people better

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Speaker 1: than any other person. And by the way, if you

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Speaker 1: want to know for care, if it's personal. Yes, it

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Speaker 1: is her first job, mailroom inside the Washington Post, so

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Speaker 1: it's personal for her. But she has a lot of

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Speaker 1: smart ideas here. And I think we and it's not

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Speaker 1: just about the Washington Post that we spend we talk

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Speaker 1: about the tech titans in general and whether there are

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Speaker 1: any good guys in Silicon Valley. Here's the good news.

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Speaker 1: She thinks there's at least one good guy there. I'm

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Speaker 1: not going to tell you it is here. Go check

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Speaker 1: it out on newsphere. So just wanted to do that

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Speaker 1: little coda on the Washington Post. Given how much time

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Speaker 1: I spent on it last week, it's still pretty painful

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Speaker 1: to realize that what just happened to the Washington Post,

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Speaker 1: and then to see the Will Lewis thing. I mean,

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Speaker 1: it was deserved, right. Whether Bezos fired him out of

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Speaker 1: just a pr pr necessity, it was necessary. It gives

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Speaker 1: Matt Murray a chance at maybe rallying the remaining troops there.

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Speaker 1: And look, I'll say what I said last week, I

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Speaker 1: feel for him on this, and you know, some of

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Speaker 1: you look, he made his own bed, so you know, yes,

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Speaker 1: but he's there to execute strategy. And the fact that

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Speaker 1: the owner and the publisher didn't have the guts to

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Speaker 1: be the face of this tells you who they are,

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Speaker 1: tells you a lot about their character. And that's what

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Speaker 1: I think has been the most damning thing about all

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Speaker 1: of this. All Right, let's go back into time. It's

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Speaker 1: time machine time. So where are we going in history?

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Speaker 1: I kind of want sound effects, right, we'll get there.

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Speaker 1: So where are we going? We're going to go to

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Speaker 1: February eleventh, nineteen seventy nine, it's today. The Iranian monarchy collapsed,

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Speaker 1: the Shaw's government fell, military declared neutrality in Iran, and

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Speaker 1: a revolution that had been building for more than a

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Speaker 1: century finally broke through. What followed was the creation of

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Speaker 1: the Islamic Republic and authoritarian theocracy, one of the most

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Speaker 1: consequential ruptures in US foreign policy, still shaping the Middle

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Speaker 1: East today, global energy markets, and American politics. And as

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Speaker 1: questions once again swirl about the future of Iran's regime,

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Speaker 1: it's worth remembering something clearly at the outset as we

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Speaker 1: go into this time machine. The Iranian revolution did not

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Speaker 1: come out of nowhere, and America was out of bystander

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Speaker 1: in it all right. So to understand how we got

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Speaker 1: to February nineteen seventy nine and the Ayatola Kamani becoming

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Speaker 1: essentially a dictator of Iran, we have to go back

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Speaker 1: a lot further. Iran didn't suddenly appear in the twentieth century.

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Speaker 1: For thousands of years, of course, it was known to

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Speaker 1: the outside world as Persian, one of the oldest continuous

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Speaker 1: state traditions on Earth, and the monarchy in Persia was

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Speaker 1: not some modern invention either. By the time of World

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Speaker 1: War one. Iran had been ruled by kings for centuries,

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Speaker 1: most recently under the Kajar dynasty, which took power in

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Speaker 1: seventeen ninety four. In fact, even the title Shah itself

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Speaker 1: matters here. It's not Islamic. It's a Persian word, ancient Persian,

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Speaker 1: and it dates back more than twenty five hundred years.

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Speaker 1: The fuller imperior title is Shahanshah, which literally means king

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Speaker 1: of kings. So when Iranians overthrew the Shaw in nineteen

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Speaker 1: seventy nine, they weren't just rejecting a modern autocrat, and

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Speaker 1: by the way, that last Shaw was an autocrat, I'll

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Speaker 1: get to that. They were rejecting a pre Islamic royal

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Speaker 1: tradition that stretched back to the antiquity era. This wasn't

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Speaker 1: just political upheaval. It was a civilization break. In nineteen

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Speaker 1: thirty five, Iran's ruler asked foreign governments to stop using

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Speaker 1: Persia and adopt the name Iran instead. It was a

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Speaker 1: nationalist gesture meant to assert sovereignty and create a modern identity.

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Speaker 1: It wasn't the creation of a new country, but it

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Speaker 1: was a demand to be seen on its own terms.

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Speaker 1: So we all need that little history lesson every now

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Speaker 1: and then. So now we place a rain into its

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Speaker 1: regional context and just sort of a little bit of

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Speaker 1: the backstory here on Iran. In the early twentieth century,

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Speaker 1: during World War One, Persia was officially neutral, but neutrality

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Speaker 1: never did protect it as a country. Its territory was

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Speaker 1: repeatedly violated by the Russians, the British, and at times

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Speaker 1: even the Ottoman forces. Persia was never part of the

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Speaker 1: Ottoman Empire. That's an important note. Historically it was often

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Speaker 1: the chief rival to the Ottomans, particularly along sectarian lines.

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Speaker 1: You had the Sunni Ottoman rule versus the Shia Persian

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Speaker 1: identity right Sunni Shia, something that's been there from nearly

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Speaker 1: the beginning of Islam. The lesson Iranians absorbed from World

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Speaker 1: War One, though, was a harsh one. Neutrality does not

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Speaker 1: stop great powers from using your country as a chessboard.

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Speaker 1: So at the same time, the Ottoman Empire collapsed at

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Speaker 1: the end of the war, and it gave birth largely

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Speaker 1: through a European mandate system new states like Iraq, Syria,

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Speaker 1: and Lebanon. Right. Iraq for example, emerged as a British

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Speaker 1: backed monarchy in the early nineteen twenties, and it gained

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Speaker 1: full independence in nineteen thirty two. So Iran is sitting

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Speaker 1: there watching its neighbors be invented by outside powers while

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Speaker 1: struggling to preserve its own independence in a world dominated

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Speaker 1: by empires. What's interesting is this Iran did not passively

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Speaker 1: accept monarchy as destiny. In fact, just the opposite. In

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Speaker 1: nineteen oh six, Persia experienced a constitutional revolution. It produced

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Speaker 1: a written constitution, a parliament, the majills, I hope I

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Speaker 1: get that jealous and I have no doubt, and I

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Speaker 1: will mess up some of these pronunciations of some of

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Speaker 1: these Persian words. My apologies, but essentially it was a

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Speaker 1: parliament and limits on royal authority. This was one of

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Speaker 1: the earliest constitutional movements in the Middle East. There's a

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Speaker 1: real small d democratic tradition inside of Iran. Iran had

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Speaker 1: a They did this decades before many of its neighbors,

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Speaker 1: but it was fragile. Iranian politics became defined by a

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Speaker 1: persistent tension monarchy, secular reformers, religious authorities, and foreign powers,

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Speaker 1: and they were all always pulling around in different direction.

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Speaker 1: Tension has never disappeared, It simply evolves in different ways

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Speaker 1: over times, and we're seeing it play out at the moment. Right.

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Speaker 1: So in the nineteen twenties you had Resa Shah Pahlavi.

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Speaker 1: He seized power and eventually crowned himself. Shaw His project

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Speaker 1: was modernization, centralizing the state, building infrastructure, weakening the religious authority,

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02:17:25,440 --> 02:17:32,119
Speaker 1: clerical authority, and enforcing secularism. But it was modernization from above,

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02:17:32,360 --> 02:17:38,840
Speaker 1: enforced by coercion. Parliamentary democracy was weakened, political pluralism shrank,

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02:17:40,080 --> 02:17:43,320
Speaker 1: the monarchy reasserted itself as the center of gravity. So

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02:17:43,879 --> 02:17:45,720
Speaker 1: we can look at it and say, well, great, they

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02:17:45,720 --> 02:17:49,560
Speaker 1: were modernized, they were westernizing, but they were essentially beating

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02:17:49,600 --> 02:17:54,040
Speaker 1: people into modernizing, right. It was not a democratic move

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02:17:54,160 --> 02:17:59,000
Speaker 1: to modernization, and it meant that Resa Shaw's project also

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02:17:59,040 --> 02:18:02,760
Speaker 1: came across as national. He was attempting to reduce British

2339
02:18:02,760 --> 02:18:06,440
Speaker 1: and Russian influence. Of course, that independence would not last.

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02:18:08,400 --> 02:18:11,040
Speaker 1: The most important Hinge point before in nineteen seventy nine

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Speaker 1: comes in their early fifties. By then Iran had another Shaw,

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Speaker 1: Riza Shaw's son, Mohammed Riza Pahlavi, and a democratic chosen

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02:18:20,720 --> 02:18:25,200
Speaker 1: prime minister by the name of Mohammed Mozadek. Well Mozadek

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02:18:25,440 --> 02:18:29,360
Speaker 1: the prime minister moved to nationalize Iran's oil industry. At

2345
02:18:29,360 --> 02:18:31,560
Speaker 1: the time, it was an attempt to challenge the British

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02:18:31,600 --> 02:18:38,000
Speaker 1: dominance and over their oil economy and asserting their own sovereignty. Well,

2347
02:18:38,040 --> 02:18:42,320
Speaker 1: guess what the Britz panicked called Warfaars intensified and in

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02:18:42,400 --> 02:18:46,360
Speaker 1: nineteen fifty three, the United States and the UK back

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02:18:46,400 --> 02:18:50,800
Speaker 1: the coup that removed the prime minister. So here's what

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02:18:50,879 --> 02:18:54,760
Speaker 1: happened next. The coup didn't just restore the Shaw, it

2351
02:18:54,800 --> 02:18:59,880
Speaker 1: also transformed him from a constitutional monarch into the central

2352
02:19:00,520 --> 02:19:04,240
Speaker 1: of the state. And so yes, the United States effectively

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02:19:04,280 --> 02:19:07,840
Speaker 1: helped rip up a fragile parliamentary democracy in favor of

2354
02:19:07,879 --> 02:19:12,120
Speaker 1: a more centralized, more authoritarian and at the time, because

2355
02:19:12,120 --> 02:19:15,920
Speaker 1: this was the Cold War, a more pro Western monarchy,

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02:19:16,720 --> 02:19:19,560
Speaker 1: it was what was in America's national interests that mattered

2357
02:19:19,600 --> 02:19:23,560
Speaker 1: more than what was in the small d democracy interests.

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02:19:24,080 --> 02:19:26,320
Speaker 1: This is an important point to understand. This is why

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02:19:27,200 --> 02:19:29,440
Speaker 1: a lot of things we did in the fifties and

2360
02:19:29,520 --> 02:19:31,920
Speaker 1: sixties in the name of the Cold War and dealing

2361
02:19:31,959 --> 02:19:35,560
Speaker 1: with the Soviets created a lot of anti americanism around

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02:19:35,640 --> 02:19:39,160
Speaker 1: the world. This is one of them. So from Washington's

2363
02:19:39,200 --> 02:19:41,720
Speaker 1: perspective at the time, right, Hey, this was all about

2364
02:19:41,760 --> 02:19:47,200
Speaker 1: stability and anti communism, pure and simple. From Tehran's perspective

2365
02:19:47,280 --> 02:19:50,840
Speaker 1: and the perspective of quite a few individuals, it was

2366
02:19:50,879 --> 02:19:53,640
Speaker 1: about lost sovereignty. So from that moment on, the SHAW

2367
02:19:53,680 --> 02:19:57,840
Speaker 1: in the United States became politically intertwined in the Iranian imagination.

2368
02:19:58,440 --> 02:20:01,959
Speaker 1: Opposition to the Shaw andre recently meant opposition to America.

2369
02:20:03,160 --> 02:20:06,000
Speaker 1: And this is where the long fuse toward nineteen seventy

2370
02:20:06,080 --> 02:20:10,959
Speaker 1: nine is let. The Shaw modernized rapidly, expanding education, advancing

2371
02:20:10,959 --> 02:20:14,840
Speaker 1: women's rights, pouring oil wealth into development. All that's good stuff.

2372
02:20:15,280 --> 02:20:18,760
Speaker 1: But the modernization was paired with repression. There was censorship,

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02:20:19,080 --> 02:20:23,520
Speaker 1: a powerful secret police. They crushed descent, and they were

2374
02:20:23,560 --> 02:20:26,880
Speaker 1: really tough on those that were overly religious. And it

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02:20:26,920 --> 02:20:31,080
Speaker 1: all came with visible American back in Regionally, Orian stood

2376
02:20:31,080 --> 02:20:34,560
Speaker 1: apart because while you had Arab states experiencing cups and

2377
02:20:34,600 --> 02:20:37,440
Speaker 1: military rule and pan Arab nationalism all over the place,

2378
02:20:37,640 --> 02:20:41,960
Speaker 1: Egypt under Nassar Syrian, Iraq under the Baptist regimes, Iran

2379
02:20:42,160 --> 02:20:46,080
Speaker 1: was actually the pillar of America's Middle East strategy in

2380
02:20:46,120 --> 02:20:50,840
Speaker 1: the Gulf region. That alignment bought power, and it also

2381
02:20:51,600 --> 02:20:55,360
Speaker 1: planted some rage, and this is the environment in which

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Speaker 1: a man named Ayatola Ruhala Komeni. Yes, that Komene emerges

2383
02:21:01,640 --> 02:21:07,359
Speaker 1: as a symbol of the resistance. Here's an important clarification

2384
02:21:07,440 --> 02:21:13,039
Speaker 1: in history. Komene did not flee Iran. Comeni was arrested, released,

2385
02:21:13,240 --> 02:21:16,320
Speaker 1: and then banished from the country. In the early sixties,

2386
02:21:16,400 --> 02:21:20,560
Speaker 1: Comeny openly denounced the Shaw's reforms and crucially attacked Iran's

2387
02:21:20,560 --> 02:21:24,400
Speaker 1: relationship with the United States, particularly laws that granted US

2388
02:21:24,520 --> 02:21:28,959
Speaker 1: personnel legal immunity inside of Iran. Remember this came up

2389
02:21:29,000 --> 02:21:33,560
Speaker 1: again during our in the attempt to build a democracy

2390
02:21:33,560 --> 02:21:38,640
Speaker 1: in Iraq. That's that giving immunity to outside forces is

2391
02:21:38,680 --> 02:21:42,080
Speaker 1: never popular domestically wherever you are. Well, the Shaw had

2392
02:21:42,120 --> 02:21:44,720
Speaker 1: options and what to do with Komene. He could imprison him.

2393
02:21:44,920 --> 02:21:47,320
Speaker 1: He could have executed him, or he could have silenced

2394
02:21:47,360 --> 02:21:50,960
Speaker 1: him another way. Executing him risk turning him into a martyr.

2395
02:21:51,720 --> 02:21:54,400
Speaker 1: So the Shaw decided to expound. First it was to Turkey,

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02:21:55,360 --> 02:21:57,560
Speaker 1: then it was to Iraq, and eventually he'd end up

2397
02:21:57,600 --> 02:22:01,960
Speaker 1: in France. Well, exile was a miss because while exile

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02:22:02,000 --> 02:22:05,440
Speaker 1: was meant as an attempt to neutralize Komene, instead he

2399
02:22:05,520 --> 02:22:10,480
Speaker 1: kind of professionalized his movement and gave him gave him

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02:22:10,520 --> 02:22:15,280
Speaker 1: more rhetorical power from Paris. In exile, Komene gained something

2401
02:22:15,320 --> 02:22:18,760
Speaker 1: no opposition figure inside Iran could safely have had at

2402
02:22:18,760 --> 02:22:23,280
Speaker 1: the time, global media access without fear of arrest. So

2403
02:22:23,320 --> 02:22:25,880
Speaker 1: he unifies the opposition, and there was a by the

2404
02:22:25,879 --> 02:22:28,840
Speaker 1: way the opposition in Iran was dispersed. Here wasn't just

2405
02:22:29,560 --> 02:22:34,840
Speaker 1: the theocrats that were against him, right, So Coomane unifies

2406
02:22:34,840 --> 02:22:37,320
Speaker 1: the opposition and he frames it as a resistance not

2407
02:22:37,360 --> 02:22:40,879
Speaker 1: just on religious terms, but also moral terms, and he

2408
02:22:40,959 --> 02:22:46,360
Speaker 1: positioned clerical rule as authentic national liberation. So on February first,

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02:22:46,400 --> 02:22:51,160
Speaker 1: nineteen seventy nine, Comeni returns to Tehran to thousands of

2410
02:22:51,200 --> 02:22:54,960
Speaker 1: cheering crowds. Ten days later his February eleventh, and the

2411
02:22:54,959 --> 02:22:58,240
Speaker 1: monarchy officially collapses. The revolution that toppled the Shaw at

2412
02:22:58,240 --> 02:23:04,400
Speaker 1: the moment was broad based secular liberals. There were leftists, students, merchants, clerics.

2413
02:23:05,879 --> 02:23:10,000
Speaker 1: But the revolution didn't end when the regimes fall. They

2414
02:23:10,120 --> 02:23:15,080
Speaker 1: end when power consolidates, and the most organized faction was

2415
02:23:15,120 --> 02:23:18,680
Speaker 1: the clerical one, and they won. So what followed was

2416
02:23:18,680 --> 02:23:21,320
Speaker 1: not just a change of rulers, but a new governing model.

2417
02:23:22,080 --> 02:23:26,120
Speaker 1: They called it an Islamic republic, a theocracy fused with

2418
02:23:26,160 --> 02:23:29,160
Speaker 1: state power, something the region and the world actually had

2419
02:23:29,160 --> 02:23:35,040
Speaker 1: never seen before. Now you may be wondering when did

2420
02:23:35,080 --> 02:23:38,720
Speaker 1: the hostage crisis begin. So, the US embassy hostage crisis

2421
02:23:38,800 --> 02:23:41,480
Speaker 1: actually didn't happen immediately with the start of the revolution

2422
02:23:41,560 --> 02:23:44,160
Speaker 1: in February of seventy nine. It came nine months later,

2423
02:23:44,200 --> 02:23:47,160
Speaker 1: in November of seventy nine. But it flowed directly from

2424
02:23:47,240 --> 02:23:50,879
Speaker 1: everything that came before, memories of fifty three, fear of

2425
02:23:50,920 --> 02:23:55,080
Speaker 1: American interference, and the revolutionary needed to find itself against

2426
02:23:55,080 --> 02:23:57,480
Speaker 1: an external enemy, and the United States was an easy

2427
02:23:57,520 --> 02:24:00,840
Speaker 1: target because of our history with the country, and from

2428
02:24:00,840 --> 02:24:04,840
Speaker 1: that moment on US Iran relations froze into hostility. So

2429
02:24:06,200 --> 02:24:08,280
Speaker 1: what lesson should we take away from this, Well, we're

2430
02:24:08,280 --> 02:24:10,000
Speaker 1: in the middle of something here that we may help

2431
02:24:10,080 --> 02:24:13,640
Speaker 1: foment another revolution in Iran. We may be more active

2432
02:24:13,640 --> 02:24:15,720
Speaker 1: on this one, as active as we were in nineteen

2433
02:24:15,760 --> 02:24:17,360
Speaker 1: fifty three. Now this time we may be on the

2434
02:24:17,400 --> 02:24:19,440
Speaker 1: side of the people. We were not on the side

2435
02:24:19,440 --> 02:24:21,560
Speaker 1: of the people in fifty three. We were not on

2436
02:24:21,600 --> 02:24:23,600
Speaker 1: the side of the people in seventy nine. This time

2437
02:24:23,640 --> 02:24:24,960
Speaker 1: we might be on the side of the people. That's

2438
02:24:25,000 --> 02:24:27,800
Speaker 1: the one thing that's different here, and maybe that means

2439
02:24:27,840 --> 02:24:31,560
Speaker 1: a different outcome, but it is a warning about foreign intervention, right,

2440
02:24:32,360 --> 02:24:36,200
Speaker 1: and modernization without legitimacy, and what happens when democracy is

2441
02:24:36,240 --> 02:24:39,160
Speaker 1: sacrificed for stability. And in fact, when you hear the

2442
02:24:39,200 --> 02:24:41,879
Speaker 1: story of the Shah and the fifties and sixties, I

2443
02:24:41,920 --> 02:24:45,600
Speaker 1: can't help but think of NBS in Saudi Arabia. Right, Oh, hey,

2444
02:24:45,600 --> 02:24:49,039
Speaker 1: there's good news, he's modernizing, he's given women rights. But

2445
02:24:49,120 --> 02:24:51,520
Speaker 1: at the same time, there's still censorship. Right, there's still

2446
02:24:53,360 --> 02:24:56,560
Speaker 1: very little. You know, there's still terrible human rights violations,

2447
02:24:56,600 --> 02:25:01,840
Speaker 1: particularly when anybody violates the law. So it is there's

2448
02:25:01,879 --> 02:25:05,080
Speaker 1: a lot of lessons to take away from this So America.

2449
02:25:05,200 --> 02:25:08,200
Speaker 1: We can't say it created the Iranian revolution alone, but

2450
02:25:08,280 --> 02:25:10,879
Speaker 1: it did help destroy the alternative that might have prevented it.

2451
02:25:12,080 --> 02:25:13,560
Speaker 1: And that's the hardest left in them all. When you

2452
02:25:13,600 --> 02:25:17,560
Speaker 1: weaken a democracy to protect your own interests. We actively

2453
02:25:17,640 --> 02:25:23,400
Speaker 1: weakened a democracy in nineteen fifty three. Don't. You don't

2454
02:25:23,440 --> 02:25:28,199
Speaker 1: eliminate the instability, you simply delay it. So as we

2455
02:25:28,280 --> 02:25:31,600
Speaker 1: decide how involved we're going to get and what's happening

2456
02:25:31,600 --> 02:25:36,040
Speaker 1: in Iran. And you know, look I look at you know,

2457
02:25:36,040 --> 02:25:38,800
Speaker 1: I think that whenever we're on the side a small

2458
02:25:38,879 --> 02:25:43,760
Speaker 1: d democracy, that usually ends up at a better place

2459
02:25:43,800 --> 02:25:46,160
Speaker 1: than when we're just on the side of helping somebody

2460
02:25:46,160 --> 02:25:49,800
Speaker 1: who's just simply on our side in a larger fight

2461
02:25:49,959 --> 02:25:54,080
Speaker 1: against some other foreign power. And the Cold War created

2462
02:25:54,120 --> 02:25:57,440
Speaker 1: those types of relationships. The fear of China is creating

2463
02:25:57,440 --> 02:26:01,920
Speaker 1: those type of transactional relationships, these transactional relationships. And this

2464
02:26:01,959 --> 02:26:04,600
Speaker 1: is right. Donald Trump wants to make America. You know,

2465
02:26:04,600 --> 02:26:06,600
Speaker 1: when he talks about making America great again, he wants

2466
02:26:06,640 --> 02:26:12,320
Speaker 1: to go back to nineteen fifty style kind of imperialistic

2467
02:26:12,600 --> 02:26:18,600
Speaker 1: like foreign policy approach, right, and all of that bitness

2468
02:26:18,640 --> 02:26:20,920
Speaker 1: in the ass in Latin America, all of this is

2469
02:26:20,920 --> 02:26:25,279
Speaker 1: bitness in the ass in the Middle East. Transactional politics

2470
02:26:25,360 --> 02:26:31,320
Speaker 1: without some sort of small the democratic moral code is

2471
02:26:31,520 --> 02:26:35,560
Speaker 1: never going to create long term stability or security for

2472
02:26:35,680 --> 02:26:39,920
Speaker 1: us here in the United States. So with that, there's

2473
02:26:39,959 --> 02:26:52,280
Speaker 1: your time machine. All right, let's get to some questions.

2474
02:26:52,560 --> 02:26:57,640
Speaker 1: Ask Chuck, if Trump continues to claim you won the

2475
02:26:57,680 --> 02:26:59,880
Speaker 1: twenty twenty election, wouldn't that make the potential twenty twenty

2476
02:27:00,120 --> 02:27:03,959
Speaker 1: or run unconstitutional to determinants. I love how you're thinking.

2477
02:27:04,080 --> 02:27:06,320
Speaker 1: If you somehow proved he was the rightful winner in

2478
02:27:06,320 --> 02:27:08,720
Speaker 1: twenty twenty, wouldn't that undermine the legality of a future

2479
02:27:08,760 --> 02:27:10,760
Speaker 1: term and even weaken his legal protections? Tide to the

2480
02:27:10,760 --> 02:27:15,000
Speaker 1: presidency just seems like a self defeating argument. You know,

2481
02:27:16,400 --> 02:27:18,920
Speaker 1: this reminds me of a of a of a rule

2482
02:27:18,920 --> 02:27:21,480
Speaker 1: I used to have it I meet the press meetings

2483
02:27:21,600 --> 02:27:24,040
Speaker 1: with my staff, when we'd have these daily meetings about

2484
02:27:24,200 --> 02:27:28,600
Speaker 1: the editorial day, I'd say we've banned logic in the

2485
02:27:28,640 --> 02:27:36,160
Speaker 1: Trump era. And because what you're making, you're taking a

2486
02:27:36,240 --> 02:27:39,080
Speaker 1: news story and applying logic to it and say, well,

2487
02:27:39,120 --> 02:27:43,640
Speaker 1: doesn't this mean this Donald Trump has never allowed logic

2488
02:27:43,720 --> 02:27:47,200
Speaker 1: to get in the way of a good narrative, right

2489
02:27:47,320 --> 02:27:50,200
Speaker 1: of a good owned the libs mean of a good

2490
02:27:50,520 --> 02:27:55,160
Speaker 1: attempt at not having to admit defeat right. And so

2491
02:27:56,360 --> 02:28:02,119
Speaker 1: everything you're saying is correct. But that isn't what he's

2492
02:28:02,200 --> 02:28:04,600
Speaker 1: up to here, right, We know what he's really up

2493
02:28:04,640 --> 02:28:12,359
Speaker 1: to here. This is just continuing to try to continuing

2494
02:28:12,400 --> 02:28:16,480
Speaker 1: to try to sort of undermine more legitimacy of more institutions,

2495
02:28:16,879 --> 02:28:18,880
Speaker 1: and the more institutions I mean if he is able

2496
02:28:18,920 --> 02:28:22,879
Speaker 1: to fully undermine the entire election system, which is what

2497
02:28:23,400 --> 02:28:27,720
Speaker 1: he's attempting to do here at twenty twenty, then everything

2498
02:28:27,800 --> 02:28:32,199
Speaker 1: he would do to question the mid terms and anything

2499
02:28:32,320 --> 02:28:38,920
Speaker 1: like that becomes then natural or normalized because of what

2500
02:28:38,959 --> 02:28:40,760
Speaker 1: he's done with twenty twenty. So this is what makes

2501
02:28:40,760 --> 02:28:43,560
Speaker 1: what he's doing so dangerous. Here. He's trying to sort

2502
02:28:43,600 --> 02:28:48,119
Speaker 1: of legitimize interfering with future elections, right, and he's desperate

2503
02:28:48,200 --> 02:28:52,840
Speaker 1: to try to find even you know, even the illusion

2504
02:28:53,000 --> 02:28:56,960
Speaker 1: of evidence to reinforce his beliefs about what happened twenty twenty.

2505
02:28:57,000 --> 02:29:00,440
Speaker 1: And they look, it's clear they're manufacturing pretext here. Just

2506
02:29:01,120 --> 02:29:05,120
Speaker 1: they they've not legitimized a single fact. I mean, you

2507
02:29:05,440 --> 02:29:09,120
Speaker 1: go to this about twenty twenty. He's only gone after Georgia.

2508
02:29:09,200 --> 02:29:12,119
Speaker 1: By the way, let's i've gone in another place. Let's

2509
02:29:12,120 --> 02:29:15,240
Speaker 1: say he magically somehow figures out that he won Georgia,

2510
02:29:16,840 --> 02:29:18,879
Speaker 1: he still didn't have enough electoral votes to prove that

2511
02:29:18,920 --> 02:29:21,800
Speaker 1: he won in twenty twenty, there's still other states. He

2512
02:29:21,840 --> 02:29:23,720
Speaker 1: hasn't been able to find the votes in Arizona, he

2513
02:29:23,760 --> 02:29:25,360
Speaker 1: hasn't be able to find the votes in Nevada. He

2514
02:29:25,360 --> 02:29:27,039
Speaker 1: hasn't been able to find the votes in Wisconsin, he

2515
02:29:27,040 --> 02:29:28,600
Speaker 1: hasn't been able to find the votes in Michigan, he

2516
02:29:28,600 --> 02:29:32,039
Speaker 1: hasn't made to find the votes in Pennsylvania. So but

2517
02:29:32,120 --> 02:29:34,959
Speaker 1: again that's logic. This is not about logic, right, I mean,

2518
02:29:34,959 --> 02:29:38,240
Speaker 1: he thinks if he can somehow find anything that becomes

2519
02:29:38,240 --> 02:29:44,360
Speaker 1: believable behind his delusional followers on this, it allows him

2520
02:29:44,400 --> 02:29:49,120
Speaker 1: not to declare any victory about twenty twenty, but then

2521
02:29:49,200 --> 02:29:54,240
Speaker 1: he will use that as a way to legitimize likely

2522
02:29:54,360 --> 02:29:57,080
Speaker 1: using the government to interfere in the actual elections themselves

2523
02:29:57,120 --> 02:30:00,400
Speaker 1: in twenty twenty six and twenty twenty eight. Now, I

2524
02:30:00,440 --> 02:30:02,240
Speaker 1: say that in that I still don't believe he can

2525
02:30:02,280 --> 02:30:04,840
Speaker 1: effectively do that. I think there's enough checks and balances

2526
02:30:04,879 --> 02:30:06,720
Speaker 1: in the states. I think it's not going to happen.

2527
02:30:07,040 --> 02:30:11,400
Speaker 1: And I think that, you know, I vacillate between being

2528
02:30:11,480 --> 02:30:13,600
Speaker 1: worried and laughing at these attempts that he's doing. I

2529
02:30:13,640 --> 02:30:16,800
Speaker 1: think he's making just an absolute fool of himself. And

2530
02:30:16,840 --> 02:30:20,520
Speaker 1: more importantly, I mean, I mean literally the laughing stock

2531
02:30:20,600 --> 02:30:23,280
Speaker 1: of the intelligence community is Tulsa Gabbert, Right, but she

2532
02:30:23,360 --> 02:30:27,480
Speaker 1: has been I will say that she must be beyond humiliation,

2533
02:30:29,120 --> 02:30:32,119
Speaker 1: which means she has her own sort of delusions about

2534
02:30:32,160 --> 02:30:40,120
Speaker 1: all of this. But it's it's whenever you apply logic

2535
02:30:40,160 --> 02:30:43,240
Speaker 1: to anyone of Trump's arguments, they fall apart completely, which

2536
02:30:43,280 --> 02:30:47,480
Speaker 1: means it's never been about logic all right. Next question

2537
02:30:47,520 --> 02:30:49,160
Speaker 1: comes from Luke Hey. Thanks for tackling the issue of

2538
02:30:49,160 --> 02:30:51,400
Speaker 1: sports betting. I've seen it devastate families, and I refuse

2539
02:30:51,440 --> 02:30:54,000
Speaker 1: to work for gambling platforms because of the ethical concerns.

2540
02:30:54,200 --> 02:30:56,760
Speaker 1: My question is about professional ethics. If people with integrity

2541
02:30:56,879 --> 02:31:00,640
Speaker 1: keep quitting problematic institutions, do those spaces just get worse?

2542
02:31:00,879 --> 02:31:02,400
Speaker 1: Is it better to stay and try to limit the

2543
02:31:02,440 --> 02:31:05,160
Speaker 1: damage from within? I'm torn between sticking to my moral

2544
02:31:05,160 --> 02:31:06,879
Speaker 1: line or trying to be sand in the gears from

2545
02:31:06,920 --> 02:31:11,800
Speaker 1: the inside loop. Well, welcome to what a lot of prosecutors,

2546
02:31:12,040 --> 02:31:16,760
Speaker 1: career prosecutors are contemplating at the Justice Department, What a

2547
02:31:16,760 --> 02:31:20,800
Speaker 1: lot of career in form policy folks are thinking about

2548
02:31:20,800 --> 02:31:26,000
Speaker 1: at the State Department. What many career military, particularly for one,

2549
02:31:26,080 --> 02:31:31,960
Speaker 1: two and three star generals, high ranking admirals. You know

2550
02:31:32,040 --> 02:31:36,840
Speaker 1: that this is this is this is a huge dilemma,

2551
02:31:40,680 --> 02:31:43,520
Speaker 1: you know, I don't I think everybody's got their own

2552
02:31:43,520 --> 02:31:44,879
Speaker 1: line so I'm not going to tell you what your

2553
02:31:44,920 --> 02:31:49,200
Speaker 1: line should be. I'll just tell you what my line is.

2554
02:31:49,240 --> 02:31:53,760
Speaker 1: If I feel like I can be effective, not just

2555
02:31:53,840 --> 02:31:57,840
Speaker 1: being sand in the gears right and doing you know,

2556
02:31:57,879 --> 02:32:00,360
Speaker 1: feeling like I have to sneakily up and things, but

2557
02:32:00,440 --> 02:32:03,880
Speaker 1: I feel like I can turn the tide, I can

2558
02:32:04,320 --> 02:32:07,560
Speaker 1: report what needs to be reported or whatever it is,

2559
02:32:08,240 --> 02:32:10,240
Speaker 1: then it is worth sticking around. If you feel like

2560
02:32:10,360 --> 02:32:15,760
Speaker 1: your position can prevent the worst things to happen, and

2561
02:32:16,600 --> 02:32:19,240
Speaker 1: you say to yourself, well, hey, you know, I just

2562
02:32:19,320 --> 02:32:21,320
Speaker 1: have to do it for nine months until we get

2563
02:32:21,360 --> 02:32:25,560
Speaker 1: new leadership. Right, That's why it to me, I would

2564
02:32:25,600 --> 02:32:28,480
Speaker 1: advise somebody at the Justice Department, in somebody the state

2565
02:32:28,480 --> 02:32:31,720
Speaker 1: department to stick it out right, believe in the democracy.

2566
02:32:31,720 --> 02:32:33,360
Speaker 1: You don't have to believe in the administration. You can

2567
02:32:33,400 --> 02:32:35,840
Speaker 1: believe in the democracy that there will be you know

2568
02:32:36,240 --> 02:32:40,000
Speaker 1: that bad There are good stewards and bad stewards, but

2569
02:32:40,000 --> 02:32:44,480
Speaker 1: there'll be another steward. Because I do think on the

2570
02:32:44,520 --> 02:32:47,560
Speaker 1: political side and in the public service sector, the more

2571
02:32:47,879 --> 02:32:50,200
Speaker 1: good actors that leave, they will only be filled with

2572
02:32:50,200 --> 02:32:52,400
Speaker 1: bad actors and it will only get worse than it

2573
02:32:52,480 --> 02:32:59,720
Speaker 1: might be irreparable. Right, So on the private sector side.

2574
02:33:00,680 --> 02:33:05,480
Speaker 1: I think it's a harder call, right. It's one thing

2575
02:33:05,520 --> 02:33:07,879
Speaker 1: to be stand in the gears to another thing. If

2576
02:33:07,920 --> 02:33:12,360
Speaker 1: you're literally working against the business interests of the company,

2577
02:33:12,480 --> 02:33:15,640
Speaker 1: and if they're not committing illegal acts, then I think

2578
02:33:15,680 --> 02:33:18,160
Speaker 1: it is better to quit on moral and ethical grounds,

2579
02:33:18,160 --> 02:33:21,480
Speaker 1: but do so publicly say why you're doing it. To

2580
02:33:21,600 --> 02:33:27,240
Speaker 1: do it silently, then it's ineffective. You know, speak out,

2581
02:33:27,240 --> 02:33:29,800
Speaker 1: become a whistleblower, right, become the person that worked for

2582
02:33:29,800 --> 02:33:32,000
Speaker 1: the tobacco companies to talk about all that you know,

2583
02:33:32,240 --> 02:33:35,280
Speaker 1: or the person that worked at Meta and saw everything

2584
02:33:35,280 --> 02:33:39,000
Speaker 1: that Facebook was doing to sort of weaponize the likes

2585
02:33:39,040 --> 02:33:43,400
Speaker 1: and the algorithms and stuff. You know. But I guess

2586
02:33:43,160 --> 02:33:46,520
Speaker 1: that's where I would go. I think it's I think

2587
02:33:46,560 --> 02:33:50,879
Speaker 1: if you're in the if you work for government, I

2588
02:33:50,920 --> 02:33:53,960
Speaker 1: think you're obligated to stick it out. I think if

2589
02:33:54,000 --> 02:33:56,600
Speaker 1: you work in the private sector and you have ethical

2590
02:33:56,800 --> 02:34:00,520
Speaker 1: and moral quandaries, I think then it's you know, I

2591
02:34:01,760 --> 02:34:08,680
Speaker 1: probably would be on the side of make it. It

2592
02:34:08,680 --> 02:34:11,080
Speaker 1: would be easier for me to support you walking than

2593
02:34:11,120 --> 02:34:13,760
Speaker 1: not walking, But I wouldn't do it quietly. If you

2594
02:34:13,800 --> 02:34:16,080
Speaker 1: want to, if you want to try to effect change,

2595
02:34:16,160 --> 02:34:23,039
Speaker 1: you know now if there can. If you think you

2596
02:34:23,080 --> 02:34:25,800
Speaker 1: know there is a reason to stay is if you

2597
02:34:25,840 --> 02:34:27,959
Speaker 1: think they're doing something illegal and you need to gather

2598
02:34:28,080 --> 02:34:32,880
Speaker 1: evidence and and and become a Whistleblower's that's yet another

2599
02:34:32,959 --> 02:34:37,840
Speaker 1: motivation to potentially stay if you truly believe something illegal

2600
02:34:37,879 --> 02:34:45,560
Speaker 1: is taking place. All right, appreciate the question, Luke, and

2601
02:34:46,959 --> 02:34:49,800
Speaker 1: you know there's no easy answers on those things. Next

2602
02:34:49,879 --> 02:34:51,959
Speaker 1: question comes from Tyler. Hey, I saw your video on

2603
02:34:52,040 --> 02:34:54,480
Speaker 1: the state's Democrats might put in play by twenty thirty two.

2604
02:34:54,480 --> 02:34:56,720
Speaker 1: I'm curious why Mississippi wasn't on your list. It's clearly

2605
02:34:57,240 --> 02:34:59,680
Speaker 1: it's nearly forty percent African American and often shows more

2606
02:34:59,680 --> 02:35:02,600
Speaker 1: Blue counties than other Southern states. Couldn't increasing registration and

2607
02:35:02,640 --> 02:35:05,039
Speaker 1: turn out among African American voters make it competitive. Would

2608
02:35:05,040 --> 02:35:08,200
Speaker 1: love to hear your thoughts. I think I did mention

2609
02:35:08,320 --> 02:35:10,879
Speaker 1: that Mississippi's on my next round of lists. I think

2610
02:35:10,920 --> 02:35:13,480
Speaker 1: I believe it's in that and as you know, I

2611
02:35:14,360 --> 02:35:19,280
Speaker 1: keep talking about the Mississippi as Democrats search for more

2612
02:35:19,959 --> 02:35:21,800
Speaker 1: Senate seats to put in play in the twenty six

2613
02:35:21,879 --> 02:35:23,920
Speaker 1: cycle that I think Mississippi should be one of those

2614
02:35:23,959 --> 02:35:27,400
Speaker 1: states for all it's exactly the reason you lay out right.

2615
02:35:27,440 --> 02:35:29,800
Speaker 1: I think Mississippi, into a lesser extent, South Carolina is

2616
02:35:29,800 --> 02:35:32,480
Speaker 1: the other state in the South where there's clearly an

2617
02:35:33,040 --> 02:35:38,080
Speaker 1: un activated African American vote, either under registrated in the

2618
02:35:38,160 --> 02:35:42,920
Speaker 1: rural counties in Mississippi and South Carolina or just under campaigned. Right,

2619
02:35:43,040 --> 02:35:47,000
Speaker 1: I've I've spent a lot of time a couple of

2620
02:35:47,040 --> 02:35:50,800
Speaker 1: cycles ago, we were doing some some of our counties

2621
02:35:50,800 --> 02:35:54,720
Speaker 1: to watch and before the twenty sixteen cycle or for

2622
02:35:54,760 --> 02:35:56,680
Speaker 1: the twenty twenty cycle, one of the counties I wanted

2623
02:35:56,680 --> 02:35:59,360
Speaker 1: to focus on was one of the African rural African

2624
02:35:59,360 --> 02:36:02,320
Speaker 1: American majority African American counties on the border of North

2625
02:36:02,360 --> 02:36:06,440
Speaker 1: and South Carolina. And how that the one time Barack

2626
02:36:06,440 --> 02:36:09,560
Speaker 1: Obama that Democrats carried North Carolina in the twenty first century.

2627
02:36:09,800 --> 02:36:12,320
Speaker 1: Barack Obama was on the ballot the first time, and

2628
02:36:12,480 --> 02:36:15,360
Speaker 1: he did a great job of activating the rural African

2629
02:36:15,360 --> 02:36:17,960
Speaker 1: American vote. North Carolina in twenty oh eight did not

2630
02:36:18,000 --> 02:36:19,480
Speaker 1: do as good of a job in twenty twelve, and

2631
02:36:19,480 --> 02:36:21,199
Speaker 1: they didn't carry the state, but they did in twenty

2632
02:36:21,240 --> 02:36:25,120
Speaker 1: oh eight. The point is, I do think that one

2633
02:36:25,200 --> 02:36:28,520
Speaker 1: of the reasons why Democrats have been slow at seeing

2634
02:36:28,600 --> 02:36:33,680
Speaker 1: the opportunity in Mississippi is that they're blind on rural America. Right.

2635
02:36:34,000 --> 02:36:37,400
Speaker 1: You know, their inability to get support from rural whites

2636
02:36:37,720 --> 02:36:40,400
Speaker 1: isn't due to just rural whites, it's all over. It

2637
02:36:40,440 --> 02:36:46,920
Speaker 1: explains why rural Hispanics lean right in Texas, rural blacks are.

2638
02:36:47,160 --> 02:36:50,440
Speaker 1: While they don't necessarily lean right in the South, they're

2639
02:36:50,600 --> 02:36:58,080
Speaker 1: less supportive of Democrats than urban African Americans. So yes,

2640
02:36:58,160 --> 02:37:00,640
Speaker 1: I do believe Mississippi should be a that if you

2641
02:37:00,760 --> 02:37:02,720
Speaker 1: expanded it out to the top ten states they should

2642
02:37:02,720 --> 02:37:05,280
Speaker 1: be focused on. I think it's six or seven on

2643
02:37:05,320 --> 02:37:10,800
Speaker 1: that list, and they need to. But it's a multi

2644
02:37:10,879 --> 02:37:14,080
Speaker 1: year project in Mississippi because there's a lot particularly in

2645
02:37:14,160 --> 02:37:18,160
Speaker 1: rural America, rural Black America, rural wide America, rural Hispanic America,

2646
02:37:18,280 --> 02:37:21,000
Speaker 1: Democrats have stopped showing up over the last twenty years,

2647
02:37:21,360 --> 02:37:26,360
Speaker 1: and they have to reverse that trend. Next question comes

2648
02:37:26,360 --> 02:37:31,920
Speaker 1: from Charles Davis. Great name, Charles, Love to know, Charles, Charlie, Chuck, Chaz,

2649
02:37:32,000 --> 02:37:35,360
Speaker 1: Chad you what's your favorite of all of our the

2650
02:37:37,600 --> 02:37:39,960
Speaker 1: insane amount of nicknames that can come out of the

2651
02:37:40,040 --> 02:37:43,160
Speaker 1: name Charles. But I digress it say says, thanks for

2652
02:37:43,200 --> 02:37:45,440
Speaker 1: your recent podcast of the Kenny Center. It really resonated.

2653
02:37:45,440 --> 02:37:47,760
Speaker 1: I believe Trump and his allies are following authoritarian playbook,

2654
02:37:47,760 --> 02:37:50,480
Speaker 1: but they underestimated the resolve of cities like Minneapolis and

2655
02:37:50,520 --> 02:37:53,640
Speaker 1: the power of grassroots resistance. The militarization of police and

2656
02:37:53,680 --> 02:37:56,640
Speaker 1: the behavior of ice agents are deeply concerning, and tragedies

2657
02:37:56,640 --> 02:37:58,400
Speaker 1: like the deaths of Renee Good and Alex Pretty show

2658
02:37:58,440 --> 02:38:00,680
Speaker 1: this takes serve my country in many and I've never

2659
02:38:00,720 --> 02:38:05,480
Speaker 1: been more worried or more hopeful that Americans are waking up.

2660
02:38:05,520 --> 02:38:07,360
Speaker 1: I voted our most of my life. Trump ended that

2661
02:38:07,440 --> 02:38:10,000
Speaker 1: no more, and I enjoy your podcast. Keep the good work. Look,

2662
02:38:10,080 --> 02:38:13,879
Speaker 1: I I appreciate you writing this note, And obviously it's

2663
02:38:13,879 --> 02:38:16,440
Speaker 1: not really a question, but it's a statement that I'll

2664
02:38:16,680 --> 02:38:19,680
Speaker 1: want to refer have a lot of people refer to

2665
02:38:19,680 --> 02:38:24,880
Speaker 1: when they start to feel bleak. You know, what he's

2666
02:38:24,920 --> 02:38:28,119
Speaker 1: doing is not popular. That's sort of the point of

2667
02:38:28,160 --> 02:38:31,560
Speaker 1: the opening of this podcast. Republicans don't like what he's doing.

2668
02:38:31,959 --> 02:38:34,119
Speaker 1: In the words of John dan Forth, aren't we better

2669
02:38:34,120 --> 02:38:39,080
Speaker 1: than this? Right? Jack dan Forth thought the Republican Party

2670
02:38:40,440 --> 02:38:43,520
Speaker 1: had had more morals than than than it does under

2671
02:38:43,560 --> 02:38:46,440
Speaker 1: Donald Trump and had any sort of ethical lines that

2672
02:38:46,480 --> 02:38:51,920
Speaker 1: they would draw, and they don't. But nobody likes this,

2673
02:38:52,760 --> 02:38:54,600
Speaker 1: you know, And it goes back to, you know, the whole,

2674
02:38:55,080 --> 02:38:56,800
Speaker 1: the whole. I do think there are a lot of

2675
02:38:56,800 --> 02:39:00,160
Speaker 1: people who supported Trump who don't like being seen as

2676
02:39:00,320 --> 02:39:07,280
Speaker 1: racist like Trump. And it's you know, I always say

2677
02:39:07,280 --> 02:39:11,280
Speaker 1: this about Trump. Everybody has their own line, and Trump

2678
02:39:11,320 --> 02:39:15,800
Speaker 1: crosses it at different times. It sounds like Charles for you,

2679
02:39:16,480 --> 02:39:20,320
Speaker 1: he crossed the line a while ago, as I always

2680
02:39:20,320 --> 02:39:22,680
Speaker 1: say for Liz Jady, he didn't cross the line until

2681
02:39:22,760 --> 02:39:26,720
Speaker 1: January sixth, right, But when he crossed that line, man,

2682
02:39:26,760 --> 02:39:32,039
Speaker 1: she was out, and she was out loudly. John Bolton

2683
02:39:32,160 --> 02:39:34,879
Speaker 1: was out, probably sooner than most people thought he'd be out.

2684
02:39:35,160 --> 02:39:38,600
Speaker 1: Mike Pence, Right, you see where I'm going here. Everybody

2685
02:39:38,600 --> 02:39:42,960
Speaker 1: has their line at different moments. Looks like Rand Paul

2686
02:39:43,080 --> 02:39:45,879
Speaker 1: has a line, looks like Thomas Massey has a line,

2687
02:39:46,000 --> 02:39:49,160
Speaker 1: looks like Marjorie Taylor Green has a line. And three

2688
02:39:49,200 --> 02:39:50,879
Speaker 1: years ago, if I said every Republic has a line,

2689
02:39:51,000 --> 02:39:52,680
Speaker 1: some of you might have said, well, Marjorie, there's no

2690
02:39:52,720 --> 02:39:56,160
Speaker 1: line for Marjorie Taylor Green. Yes there is. Everybody has

2691
02:39:56,160 --> 02:39:59,680
Speaker 1: a line, and I think, and this is what I

2692
02:39:59,720 --> 02:40:03,959
Speaker 1: think you're right about, which is, you know, not all

2693
02:40:04,000 --> 02:40:08,520
Speaker 1: of these stories impact everybody the same way, but a

2694
02:40:08,560 --> 02:40:10,360
Speaker 1: lot of people are impacted by at least one of

2695
02:40:10,360 --> 02:40:14,119
Speaker 1: these stories in the same way. And that's why he's

2696
02:40:14,120 --> 02:40:16,560
Speaker 1: got approval ratings that at best are in the low forties.

2697
02:40:17,879 --> 02:40:20,240
Speaker 1: That's why we are on the verge of having a

2698
02:40:20,320 --> 02:40:24,560
Speaker 1: record number of lawmakers say I'm out of Trump's Washington,

2699
02:40:25,000 --> 02:40:27,000
Speaker 1: get me out of here. By the way, you know,

2700
02:40:27,000 --> 02:40:32,080
Speaker 1: it's interesting about these retirees, right, those that there's about

2701
02:40:32,120 --> 02:40:39,440
Speaker 1: thirty retirements Republican retirees so far this cycle, Essentially half

2702
02:40:39,480 --> 02:40:41,680
Speaker 1: of them are retiring to run for higher office, and

2703
02:40:41,760 --> 02:40:44,560
Speaker 1: the other half of them are just walking away from politics. Well,

2704
02:40:44,640 --> 02:40:46,240
Speaker 1: the lion's share of those that are just walking away

2705
02:40:46,280 --> 02:40:50,600
Speaker 1: from politics all Republicans elected before twenty sixteen. Those that

2706
02:40:50,640 --> 02:40:53,439
Speaker 1: are doing the upper out are just about all Republicans

2707
02:40:53,480 --> 02:40:57,959
Speaker 1: elected twenty sixteen or later. The old Republican Party that

2708
02:40:58,360 --> 02:41:02,400
Speaker 1: accommodated Trump. More and more of them are having trouble

2709
02:41:02,440 --> 02:41:06,920
Speaker 1: accommodating him. And like I said, every week somebody he

2710
02:41:07,000 --> 02:41:11,080
Speaker 1: crosses the line for somebody else. He is not gaining

2711
02:41:11,200 --> 02:41:16,279
Speaker 1: any new support every week Donald Trump loses more support.

2712
02:41:18,879 --> 02:41:23,160
Speaker 1: Next question comes from Rico from Sequoia National Forest. All right, well,

2713
02:41:23,160 --> 02:41:25,200
Speaker 1: here we are two big baseball fans gearing up for

2714
02:41:25,200 --> 02:41:26,920
Speaker 1: ANO one hundred and sixty two game season. But I

2715
02:41:26,920 --> 02:41:29,120
Speaker 1: still can't get over what I think is the dumbest

2716
02:41:29,200 --> 02:41:31,320
Speaker 1: rule in sports, the intentional walk. If teams want to

2717
02:41:31,320 --> 02:41:33,760
Speaker 1: pitch around guys like Ocanni, fine, but make it cost

2718
02:41:33,840 --> 02:41:37,000
Speaker 1: two bases instead of one. I like where you're going there.

2719
02:41:37,120 --> 02:41:39,119
Speaker 1: MLBE keeps talking about speeding up the game, So why

2720
02:41:39,200 --> 02:41:41,959
Speaker 1: not fix this? What say you keep the cowardice or

2721
02:41:42,120 --> 02:41:47,640
Speaker 1: change the rule? Wow? Two bases for intentional walks? You

2722
02:41:47,640 --> 02:41:53,720
Speaker 1: know I could see I could buy into that. You know,

2723
02:41:54,200 --> 02:42:00,480
Speaker 1: maybe it's something like you get you can't you can

2724
02:42:00,560 --> 02:42:07,440
Speaker 1: only intentionally walk a player once again, and and you

2725
02:42:07,480 --> 02:42:10,600
Speaker 1: know you can so because I think what's first of all,

2726
02:42:10,600 --> 02:42:12,200
Speaker 1: it's bad for the fans, right, we want to see

2727
02:42:12,200 --> 02:42:14,320
Speaker 1: Otani hit. So let's just you know, I remember this

2728
02:42:14,360 --> 02:42:16,920
Speaker 1: with Bonds too, but let's just say with Otani. You know,

2729
02:42:17,640 --> 02:42:19,680
Speaker 1: you know, Tani is like, you know, a version of

2730
02:42:19,720 --> 02:42:22,240
Speaker 1: the NBA on the road, right, you know, NBA in

2731
02:42:22,280 --> 02:42:25,640
Speaker 1: the regular season and Lakers come to town. All right,

2732
02:42:25,680 --> 02:42:28,360
Speaker 1: I want to see Lebron. Oh, Lebron's resting tonight, you know,

2733
02:42:28,920 --> 02:42:31,240
Speaker 1: you know, with the with the with the with the minute.

2734
02:42:31,240 --> 02:42:32,920
Speaker 1: So it's not very fan friendly and you spend all

2735
02:42:32,920 --> 02:42:35,160
Speaker 1: this money, you think take your kid to see Lebron

2736
02:42:35,200 --> 02:42:37,160
Speaker 1: the one time a year that Lebron shows up, particularly

2737
02:42:37,160 --> 02:42:40,000
Speaker 1: if you're in the Eastern Conference. Right, So, nobody wants

2738
02:42:40,000 --> 02:42:43,040
Speaker 1: to go to a game all excited to see Otani

2739
02:42:43,080 --> 02:42:44,920
Speaker 1: play for the first time, only to see him intentionally

2740
02:42:44,959 --> 02:42:50,320
Speaker 1: walk three times. So I think an addendum I would

2741
02:42:50,360 --> 02:42:53,000
Speaker 1: make to your rule is I think it's one that

2742
02:42:53,120 --> 02:42:55,800
Speaker 1: you can't intentionally walk any player more than once a game,

2743
02:42:57,000 --> 02:43:01,360
Speaker 1: and if you do want to intentionally walks, it's two.

2744
02:43:02,000 --> 02:43:08,760
Speaker 1: It's two bases, I think. I guess I look at

2745
02:43:08,760 --> 02:43:11,680
Speaker 1: it this way. Rico and my dog here has a

2746
02:43:11,800 --> 02:43:14,920
Speaker 1: very strong opinion about this too, Speaking of intentional walks,

2747
02:43:14,920 --> 02:43:17,520
Speaker 1: she would like to be intentionally walked right after I

2748
02:43:17,600 --> 02:43:21,800
Speaker 1: finished taping this episode. But I think I don't think

2749
02:43:21,800 --> 02:43:24,160
Speaker 1: you will get support for just doing all intentional walks

2750
02:43:24,160 --> 02:43:26,879
Speaker 1: two bases. But I do think if you make it

2751
02:43:27,360 --> 02:43:31,200
Speaker 1: one per game, per player, that might be a better

2752
02:43:31,200 --> 02:43:34,120
Speaker 1: way to do things, all right, last question, like I said,

2753
02:43:34,720 --> 02:43:38,640
Speaker 1: I got to intentionally walk Cali just wanted to toss

2754
02:43:38,680 --> 02:43:42,360
Speaker 1: out a new name that scandal headlines. Okay, here it is,

2755
02:43:42,560 --> 02:43:48,760
Speaker 1: the Abu Dhabi crypto affair, all right, the Maga coin con. Okay,

2756
02:43:49,400 --> 02:43:54,440
Speaker 1: the shake Steak scandal kind of sizzling, right if the

2757
02:43:54,480 --> 02:43:57,400
Speaker 1: word sizzle in there, right, hope one of these sticks

2758
02:43:57,400 --> 02:44:00,879
Speaker 1: best Chase from Little Rock rket Saw. He claims it's

2759
02:44:00,959 --> 02:44:03,280
Speaker 1: he keeps saying the five Timers Club, Chase. I think

2760
02:44:03,320 --> 02:44:05,480
Speaker 1: we're up to six or seven Timers Club on this.

2761
02:44:05,680 --> 02:44:08,959
Speaker 1: So well, there it is. That's a good way to

2762
02:44:09,080 --> 02:44:11,720
Speaker 1: end this, end this episode. Let's see what you guys

2763
02:44:11,760 --> 02:44:15,520
Speaker 1: come up with. He's trying Abu Dhabi crypto affair, the

2764
02:44:15,560 --> 02:44:22,960
Speaker 1: Maga coin con, and the Shakesteak scandal, and Chase. I

2765
02:44:23,000 --> 02:44:27,480
Speaker 1: would probably say, let's go back to the drawing boarder.

2766
02:44:27,520 --> 02:44:29,760
Speaker 1: Let's get some more nominees out there. That's all I'm saying.

2767
02:44:29,800 --> 02:44:32,240
Speaker 1: Let's get some Let's get some more nominees out there.

2768
02:44:33,640 --> 02:44:38,640
Speaker 1: So with that, hey, listen, I I'm gonna be a

2769
02:44:38,720 --> 02:44:41,560
Speaker 1: cheerleader for one thing, and that's Team USA. I love

2770
02:44:41,840 --> 02:44:48,480
Speaker 1: you know. I give my old, my old, my old workplace.

2771
02:44:48,560 --> 02:44:50,000
Speaker 1: A lot of grief on what they've done to the

2772
02:44:50,000 --> 02:44:52,320
Speaker 1: new side of things. I'm not gonna walk in. I'm

2773
02:44:52,360 --> 02:44:57,360
Speaker 1: not gonna relitigate what's happened on that front. I just

2774
02:44:57,400 --> 02:44:59,920
Speaker 1: want to give a lot of kudos and credit to

2775
02:45:00,040 --> 02:45:02,400
Speaker 1: the coverage of the Olympics by my old employer. I

2776
02:45:02,400 --> 02:45:05,480
Speaker 1: think i BBC Sports do a terrific job. They have finally,

2777
02:45:05,600 --> 02:45:08,040
Speaker 1: I think, and you saw it with the last you

2778
02:45:08,080 --> 02:45:12,560
Speaker 1: really saw it in twenty twenty four with the gold

2779
02:45:12,640 --> 02:45:15,480
Speaker 1: Zone and everything they've done, but they have really figured

2780
02:45:15,480 --> 02:45:20,120
Speaker 1: out I mean the Olympics and this streaming moment, right like,

2781
02:45:20,160 --> 02:45:22,480
Speaker 1: if you talk about a sporting event that was built

2782
02:45:22,600 --> 02:45:24,520
Speaker 1: for this moment that we live in where you can

2783
02:45:24,600 --> 02:45:27,920
Speaker 1: just go find your sport, find your stream, the gold Zone.

2784
02:45:28,360 --> 02:45:31,640
Speaker 1: If you actually want to watch the Olympics for competition,

2785
02:45:32,080 --> 02:45:35,560
Speaker 1: you can just watch a stream that does that. You know.

2786
02:45:35,600 --> 02:45:38,080
Speaker 1: If you do want the stories and sort of the

2787
02:45:38,120 --> 02:45:40,560
Speaker 1: soap opera part of the Olympics that the network always

2788
02:45:40,560 --> 02:45:43,480
Speaker 1: gives you, you can do that too. But I just

2789
02:45:43,879 --> 02:45:49,000
Speaker 1: will say that I am there's no qualification here, guys.

2790
02:45:49,080 --> 02:45:54,000
Speaker 1: It's fantastic. I love what's being done. I love the coverage.

2791
02:45:55,160 --> 02:45:59,920
Speaker 1: It breaks my heart that team USA and team is

2792
02:46:00,200 --> 02:46:02,120
Speaker 1: gets booed as hard as they are right now in Europe.

2793
02:46:03,360 --> 02:46:06,680
Speaker 1: That that hurts, right, I wish I but I also

2794
02:46:06,720 --> 02:46:09,600
Speaker 1: understand it. And the only word of warning I'd give

2795
02:46:09,640 --> 02:46:12,680
Speaker 1: to my friends at NBC Sports is, you know, I

2796
02:46:12,760 --> 02:46:15,280
Speaker 1: get you want to try to make the games about

2797
02:46:15,320 --> 02:46:22,040
Speaker 1: the games. There's there's there's avoiding politics, but then they're

2798
02:46:22,080 --> 02:46:25,840
Speaker 1: censoring it. Be careful of walking that line. I'm all

2799
02:46:25,840 --> 02:46:29,080
Speaker 1: for avoiding it. You want to showcase the games, but

2800
02:46:29,120 --> 02:46:33,240
Speaker 1: be careful censoring. I think it's important for the audience

2801
02:46:33,280 --> 02:46:38,160
Speaker 1: to know how unpopular an American official is. If there

2802
02:46:38,200 --> 02:46:41,360
Speaker 1: is a moment that that happens, all right with that,

2803
02:46:41,640 --> 02:46:42,720
Speaker 1: I'll see in forty eight nineos