Speaker 1: Hey everybody, it's me Matt Rogers, letting you know. Tickets
Speaker 1: are on sale now to see me on tour, the
Speaker 1: Prince of Christmas Tour. That is, I'm doing my whole
Speaker 1: album have you Heard of Christmas? Plus a lot more
Speaker 1: with the whole band all throughout December. Go to www
Speaker 1: dot Matt rodgersofficial dot com. See me in a city
Speaker 1: near you and now lost cult drums.
Speaker 2: Look mare, oh, I see you my own and look
Speaker 2: over there is that the culture?
Speaker 3: Yes, lost culture ding dong, lost culturistas calling.
Speaker 2: I mean, it's a new era. And what do you
Speaker 2: mean by that? Christmas? It's officially it's officially the holidays. Holidays.
Speaker 3: That's a fun spin on everything that's happened. It's holidays.
Speaker 2: Now do you think that the Christmas spirit can thrive
Speaker 2: under fascism?
Speaker 3: You know that's an introt. Well, the thing is, we're
Speaker 3: not officially in fascism, yet we still have a week.
Speaker 2: Some people might argue with you. Your known chom skis
Speaker 2: might say, oh, we've always been under We've been in
Speaker 2: fascism for so long, which is God, This is what
Speaker 2: a terrible, rancid tone to start this episode.
Speaker 3: What are we going to do when when you look
Speaker 3: around and the world's on fire, what are you going
Speaker 3: to say, like.
Speaker 2: Ooh, like, pass me my iced tea. That's what we
Speaker 2: that's what we're meant to do as entertainers. Sometimes past
Speaker 2: the icy is that hey, pass me the iced tea.
Speaker 3: I mean, this is it's a complicated thing people. It's
Speaker 3: our first episode recording since the election. Obviously, want to
Speaker 3: express to everyone out there that is feeling terrible, that
Speaker 3: you know, we are all.
Speaker 2: In it together.
Speaker 3: Lots of avalanche of reasons why this may have happened.
Speaker 3: It's kind of neither here nor there. Certainly not going
Speaker 3: to get into it here on this episode, but just
Speaker 3: if you're feeling.
Speaker 2: Although we have the greatest political minds in one room, yeah,
Speaker 2: I'm looking around and everyone here has everyone has something
Speaker 2: to contribute to the solution. I mean it.
Speaker 3: We just want to say if you're feeling down, that
Speaker 3: you have a hug from us.
Speaker 2: And I really appreciate you saying that. Man about being
Speaker 2: in this together. I think this is an easy time
Speaker 2: for people to start to go for individualism and say, well,
Speaker 2: as long as I'm taken care of, then it's the
Speaker 2: best I can do. And that's true, and that's important.
Speaker 2: But also I think talking to someone like a week before,
Speaker 2: it's being like, God, but what if it happens? And
Speaker 2: then we were saying like, I think the best thing
Speaker 2: to do is just to be therefore reacha so sacchering,
Speaker 2: but I think it's the It really is the only thing.
Speaker 2: I think.
Speaker 3: It's actually kind of time to think about things in
Speaker 3: a way like that, to be honest, because again, more
Speaker 3: to come later when it's when it feels like appropriate
Speaker 3: and things have died down a little bit. But community
Speaker 3: is going to be the way, and maybe some unexpected
Speaker 3: community if.
Speaker 2: You're in New York, New York cares great thing to do,
Speaker 2: just in terms of like a spirit of volunteerism. I
Speaker 2: really enjoy the time. The few times that I've done
Speaker 2: something New York care is related, but it was during
Speaker 2: lockdown and it was kind of like the only thing
Speaker 2: that made me feel good. Yeah, so I'm gonna start
Speaker 2: doing that again. Tiny beautiful things, Tiny beautiful things. And
Speaker 2: we have a tiny beautiful person.
Speaker 3: Tiny beautiful but here's the thing. Big gorgeous talent. Oh,
Speaker 3: of course, a front runner for title of app.
Speaker 2: Big Gorgeous Talents.
Speaker 3: Her talents. She's cupping the talent. I have like a
Speaker 3: confession to make. When I heard about Once Upon a
Speaker 3: Mattress being revived, I was a little bit like, really
Speaker 3: because those shows, I'm like, I just was surprised to
Speaker 3: hear that that was getting revived.
Speaker 2: I went to go see it. A delight yep. From
Speaker 2: start to finish, it is one of our great, joyful shows.
Speaker 2: My first musical that I ever did in high school. Really,
Speaker 2: I was the gestures understudy. I had to learn the
Speaker 2: choreography for very soft Shoes. Then I know every song
Speaker 2: word for word. This is important to know. Yeah, yeah, yeah, no,
Speaker 2: I mean sensitivity is Oh it's great, A plus A
Speaker 2: plus villains.
Speaker 3: I think I just forgot how delightful it is. And
Speaker 3: combined with this really amazing.
Speaker 2: Incredible talk Amman Palladino, who just like punched it up
Speaker 2: for all it's worth.
Speaker 3: I mean, it's so funny, it's like really just like
Speaker 3: from start to finish, a great time at the theater.
Speaker 3: Here's the thing, it is a couple more weeks on
Speaker 3: Broadway at the Hudson Theater this comes out, and then
Speaker 3: from December tenth to January fifth, you can see it
Speaker 3: at the Amunsen in Los Angeles. This would be well
Speaker 3: worth your time, absolutely, and it stars our guest, who,
Speaker 3: among other things, is also Christmas Royalty. Christmas Royalty.
Speaker 4: Oh.
Speaker 3: I talked about this with her actuallyause, if Mariah's the
Speaker 3: Queen of Christmas and I'm the Prince, we're actually speaking
Speaker 3: with the Duchess of Christmas self appointed.
Speaker 2: The only way to gain royalty and Christmas is to
Speaker 2: self appoint.
Speaker 3: And so this person has done it, and we're so
Speaker 3: grateful and happy, sugar and booze the At this point,
Speaker 3: I would say, it's Oh.
Speaker 2: It's in the cannon of great Christmas albums. It's in
Speaker 2: the canally. She is going to do a few cities
Speaker 2: at the beginning of December, Lansing, evanston Illa, Noy, Indianapolis.
Speaker 2: Please catch her. What a sublime time.
Speaker 3: I mean, of course you know and love her from
Speaker 3: being a true SNL legend, I mean, one of the
Speaker 3: greats of all time. We are absolutely fucking thrilled to
Speaker 3: welcome to this podcast, the one the only guess can
Speaker 3: you imagine when's going to come to the point where
Speaker 3: she comes out and does it, And it sounds like that,
Speaker 3: We're like drops down, like.
Speaker 5: Four it is time Hi, thank you for mentioning my
Speaker 5: Christmas title. Yes, status, thank you, my honorific thank you
Speaker 5: for so much.
Speaker 2: Okay, self appointed duchess. Where there's a court we have
Speaker 2: to fill out, or there's a whole feudal system. Yes, Christmas, right.
Speaker 6: But I feel like I've earned it.
Speaker 5: I mean, I'm best known for Sweaty Balls in It SML,
Speaker 5: which runs in the Christmas Steward's Topless Christmas. Yes, and
Speaker 5: I wrote a Cluster Funk Christmas, which was the homemark
Speaker 5: parity movie with Dratch. Yes, and yeah, lots of things
Speaker 5: that have happened around holiday time. It's my favorite time
Speaker 5: of year.
Speaker 3: Did you seek out this Christmas canon status or do
Speaker 3: you think it happened happy accident?
Speaker 5: A good fit for who like from my value system,
Speaker 5: if that makes sense. Not to say that I'm like
Speaker 5: really obsessed with Jesus' birthday as much as I do.
Speaker 5: Have a little bit of an old fashioned traditional side
Speaker 5: and just sort of more in like the domestic part
Speaker 5: and the kind of actually oddly referring to what you
Speaker 5: were talking even post election, the sort of coziness and
Speaker 5: the I love to cook. Yeah, I love throwing parties
Speaker 5: and I love kind of domestic connection. And I do
Speaker 5: think that the Holidays kind of allows us a little
Speaker 5: bit of an old fashion broad kind of a moment.
Speaker 5: And that's why the album. The album felt so important
Speaker 5: to do, not just to like make a Christmas album,
Speaker 5: but rather that it.
Speaker 6: Fit kind of my style.
Speaker 5: You can be sort of throwbacky in a way that
Speaker 5: doesn't feel as kitchy or annoying to people.
Speaker 2: Yes, well that's the thing. I feel like the cocktail
Speaker 2: lounds jazz aesthetic of sugar and booze is that it's
Speaker 2: like very It's like the wing is so pretty and
Speaker 2: like that's such a nice sort of like comedy sensibility
Speaker 2: about it.
Speaker 5: That was sort of what we went for, like just
Speaker 5: it should feel like an old fashioned album, but not
Speaker 5: campy or not like Kitchie, I guess is the word
Speaker 5: like avoiding kitch and making it more like Yeah. My
Speaker 5: biggest compliment that I like was so excited by I
Speaker 5: was one the La Times reviewed it. They said like
Speaker 5: Frank and Dino would have wanted to sing this song,
Speaker 5: which to me was like as opposed to just like
Speaker 5: someone doing a lounge jack. You know, it feels a
Speaker 5: little more somewhere in between. Yeah, and you're a real
Speaker 5: vocalist too, so it's like your Christmas stuff definitely resonates
Speaker 5: in that way as well. There's a there's a coziness
Speaker 5: to the holidays, you know, there's a reason they play
Speaker 5: the standards at Banana Republic when you go in, you know.
Speaker 2: So that's that's the most Christmas place of all.
Speaker 5: Absolutely hashtag the dream bore that.
Speaker 2: J cru is very baby kind the Christmas.
Speaker 5: They love Christmas. I'm trying to get close what I'm
Speaker 5: saying this right now. I wear a lot of I have.
Speaker 5: I always end up buying a lot of J Crew
Speaker 5: to wear in my show.
Speaker 3: It really honestly, you you walk in J Crew, it's
Speaker 3: hard to leave empty house. It is because you want
Speaker 3: to know what coziness, which is really what this is
Speaker 3: really about. If we're we're not saying the word cozy,
Speaker 3: but it's about being cozd Yeah.
Speaker 2: It's huge. It's a placement thing. But who goes placed
Speaker 2: here right between the eyes?
Speaker 5: I don't. Yeah, I think anyone Scandinavian would place it
Speaker 5: right here.
Speaker 2: Yeah, upper which is really a hard place to find,
Speaker 2: our place to find. Now, are you on this sort
Speaker 2: of within your coterie of best and known people like
Speaker 2: I feel like everyone is obsessed with Iceland newly because
Speaker 2: of polar Oh, she's loving Iceland is The last time
Speaker 2: I spoke to her, she was like, she are y'all
Speaker 2: going to Iceland or Scandinavian?
Speaker 5: You said that, I mean, it's not high on our list.
Speaker 6: I do want to see.
Speaker 5: I mean we're always sort of debating because we have
Speaker 5: these like reunions re unions, and so we're always debating.
Speaker 5: You know, there's an East coast west coast kind of conversation,
Speaker 5: and different places come up depending on what's happening. I mean,
Speaker 5: at the moment, I think everybody's just gonna, you know,
Speaker 5: try to have dinner in New York together.
Speaker 2: Right, That's nice. Okay, Who's who's holding it down on
Speaker 2: the East coast right now? It's Utina Tina Paula.
Speaker 6: Paula lives up in you know.
Speaker 2: Westchester, Breastchester, a million Breastchester. On wheels, her dogs on wheels.
Speaker 5: She just got another wheel dog the best she like
Speaker 5: zooms around the apartment house.
Speaker 6: Uh yes, and polars here part of the time.
Speaker 5: And then Maya's in la and Spivey's up in North Carolina,
Speaker 5: so down by, so we sort of float.
Speaker 2: What's been the best vacation you guys are taking together?
Speaker 2: Wine Country is.
Speaker 5: Based on Yeah, Wine Country was really fantastic and it
Speaker 5: was actually in wine Country and we ate and drank
Speaker 5: to our heart's contents and literally the whole movie was
Speaker 5: basically is all we did.
Speaker 2: And then you know, we'd.
Speaker 5: Like like our night at the Strip club was just
Speaker 5: like an antique mall. You know, look at this tea pot,
Speaker 5: and then uh uh. For my birthday, we did palm
Speaker 5: Springs and everybody wore really old fashioned we wore momos
Speaker 5: and we wore really old fashioned bathing caps. But I
Speaker 5: bought everybody on the internet and I made everybody were like,
Speaker 5: do like gentle, don't ruin your hair swims.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, that is an important image.
Speaker 2: Hair up like okay, okay, okay, neck up, totally neck up.
Speaker 5: Lately, but lately we've done more cozy things. We've gone
Speaker 5: to Fire Island or we've gone.
Speaker 2: To Yeah, people, where do you go Fair Harbor basically
Speaker 2: Sultaiir Harbor area. Yeah, gay audience, these are the non fine.
Speaker 5: I get a lot of gay cred when I say
Speaker 5: Fire Island and evaporates by the vague white supremacy of
Speaker 5: my area.
Speaker 2: Don't you should take the gay crad You have plenty
Speaker 2: from from things from your life. Yeah, I try.
Speaker 5: Before I go any further, my daughter said to tell you,
Speaker 5: and I quote on air. She's a huge fan and
Speaker 5: so we're all her gay.
Speaker 2: Hello.
Speaker 6: Wasn't going to get if I said it off air.
Speaker 6: She was like, you have to tell.
Speaker 5: Them on air.
Speaker 2: So I guess that she's a katie.
Speaker 5: Yes, I believe, Yeah.
Speaker 2: I would imagine, yes, of course, of course, And a
Speaker 2: Katie is Katie has a lot of gay friends, a
Speaker 2: lot of gay friends, so we have some sub sects
Speaker 2: of our fandom, and he's a Katie. I believe a
Speaker 2: Katie would be like me and all.
Speaker 6: I don't know how she could be my child and
Speaker 6: not be a Katie.
Speaker 5: Well, of course, because I have a number of gusbands,
Speaker 5: which is g apostrophy silent age.
Speaker 2: Who's the top husband.
Speaker 5: My top husband's my friend Tony, who I've lived with
Speaker 5: on and off, who's my first director at the Groundlingks.
Speaker 5: My actual husband named him my husband because I lived
Speaker 5: with him through out a bunch of TV shows I
Speaker 5: did in LA. Because as you know, everybody in Ella
Speaker 5: has like a second bedroom, so for years just had
Speaker 5: pajamas and things there so people have more space. My
Speaker 5: next gusband is my friend Ryan, who is my what's
Speaker 5: the name that Karen was too old? A reference at
Speaker 5: Murphy Brown, that guy that lived in her house and
Speaker 5: did all her work. Anyway, she's like my carpenter. He's
Speaker 5: a former Broadway boy now supper, talented contractor and he
Speaker 5: just he helps me creaks up Fire Island. He does
Speaker 5: my Ikea run and my costco run with me. He's
Speaker 5: really done a lot for my actual marriage with my
Speaker 5: straight husband.
Speaker 2: That's wonderful.
Speaker 3: Did you acquire a lot of gusbands and Guzman types
Speaker 3: during your run as Alphaba?
Speaker 2: I mean I've always had need to be alpha, but
Speaker 2: I have gust.
Speaker 5: No, but it certainly helps. Yeah, as soon as as
Speaker 5: soon as the news of the belting got out and
Speaker 5: had my my gay que went way up.
Speaker 3: I do remember like being obviously loving you forever on
Speaker 3: Saturday Live and then hearing that you were belting on
Speaker 3: broably as alpha, but did make this something like your
Speaker 3: shoulders drop as a gay person.
Speaker 5: Support staying and she does vibrado at the end. All
Speaker 5: those things call me very far on straight tone with
Speaker 5: a little vibrato at the end.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well you know, I mean.
Speaker 6: To no, that's it.
Speaker 2: Wow. I was gonna say, you know, the sketch that
Speaker 2: really hooked me when I moved to the US was
Speaker 2: Jemini twin Oh my God, thank you, and the line
Speaker 2: read that even rang in my ears. No day, no, no, no,
Speaker 2: You're gonna love it. It was it was whack. They
Speaker 2: had a big man, the flap Jack. And then at
Speaker 2: one point, this is the Charlie's episode, like the first
Speaker 2: the first episode I ever saw, Oh my god. And
Speaker 2: then you had a line where if someone's Carson Daily,
Speaker 2: it's t R L and and and then they're like,
Speaker 2: you know, what's the song about? And then Maya has
Speaker 2: a line? It's about Maya. Charley's has a line. You know,
Speaker 2: it's about like when you're done with a man, and
Speaker 2: then it's you and you say no, it's also about
Speaker 2: a pancake breakfast. It's about a what it's also about
Speaker 2: a pake breakfast because it was like flat flap fla
Speaker 2: flap black black flap jack. It's about a pancake. That's
Speaker 2: also about a piccake breakfast. And like that, and that
Speaker 2: I belly laughed as a fucking it's the funniest line.
Speaker 5: I wish that they would, you know, they ever reair
Speaker 5: any of It's one of my great sadness is this
Speaker 5: because music races are so yeah, so many of my
Speaker 5: sketches don't rear a regular way, and which is sad
Speaker 5: because you know, we wrote so many dumb things and
Speaker 5: Gemini twin, like we wrote this ridiculous thing with Lucy
Speaker 5: lou about.
Speaker 3: And that's my favorite Gemini twin because Lucy looked at
Speaker 3: one point Ben's over and like her kind of fingers dirty.
Speaker 5: And it was I don't remember it was about airplane.
Speaker 5: I think it was about airplane safety.
Speaker 2: I don't even know what it was about.
Speaker 5: And then we did one with Pierce Brosnan that all
Speaker 5: I remember. It was actually good. I need a man,
Speaker 5: Anita man anita o. God, it was so dumb. It
Speaker 5: was like with a something credit card, ana sancho pet.
Speaker 2: I need a man.
Speaker 5: It was a real man. It was a man anyway.
Speaker 5: He for some reason we did like a Frankens, this
Speaker 5: is a bad story. He should just watch it, but
Speaker 5: he doesn't air because of the music race. He had,
Speaker 5: like somebody sent it to me he's he's doing like
Speaker 5: a Frankenstein thing.
Speaker 6: Oh yeah, because we were.
Speaker 5: We were like doctor eviling it. And I don't even
Speaker 5: remember what the premise was, but I remember writing for
Speaker 5: him like he was like, I'm alive, I'm all up
Speaker 5: in it alive. It was so dumb.
Speaker 2: Why are the music rights so tricky with that when
Speaker 2: it's like an original? Because the there's that butte too,
Speaker 2: I think that was super politically and correct. Didn't we
Speaker 2: do like a Dixie number? Oh? It was like it
Speaker 2: was like we were we were you just worked on
Speaker 2: it was you guys worked on like Manicello.
Speaker 5: Yeah. Yeah, I thought it was more Likene with a
Speaker 5: wind kind of vibes. Or maybe it was it might
Speaker 5: have been Tara, it would have been I don't remember,
Speaker 5: but I was so Yeah.
Speaker 6: It was so fun because it was Maya.
Speaker 5: I mean it was again like those Yeah, those nights
Speaker 5: with Maya and with like will On Bobby and Marty
Speaker 5: were like those are my most like truly treasured nights
Speaker 5: because they were James Anderson and Paul po and like
Speaker 5: the greats. I mean, and I'm a terrible procrastinator. We
Speaker 5: would stay up, Bobby and Marty. We were like super famous,
Speaker 5: like when when people would start something late, they would
Speaker 5: be like, no, I mean famous for how dicked around
Speaker 5: where they would be like, we're Bobby and martying at
Speaker 5: like starting at six or whatever. It was just because
Speaker 5: we would sit and do bits and talk yea light
Speaker 5: farts like all of the worst, you know, until like
Speaker 5: four in the morning.
Speaker 2: We're talking about six in the morning on Wednesday.
Speaker 5: On Wednesday, all the way up to the line, and
Speaker 5: then we would write it and then many times we
Speaker 5: would go to McDonald's and get a night McMuffin on
Speaker 5: the way home.
Speaker 2: At like eight or often Will because.
Speaker 5: Will famously So this is another Will dressed as Jerry Reid.
Speaker 6: From the Smoking in the Bandit series.
Speaker 5: Okay, bear with me please, So Norm McDonald and Will
Speaker 5: did Burt Reynolds. It was a Burt Reynolds they were
Speaker 5: they were writing to the Burt Reynolds impression at the time,
Speaker 5: and they did these smoking and the Bannitt commercials and
Speaker 5: Will it was like a free tape. And Will was
Speaker 5: dressed as Jerry Reid, but he had to keep going
Speaker 5: into blocking and so he never got out of his
Speaker 5: outfit of Jerry Reid, which just was like a like
Speaker 5: not famous, you know, like a seventies trucker costume basically
Speaker 5: like really like kind of high bad pants and like
Speaker 5: a western thing and a big trucker hat and adam
Speaker 5: m it was like a bit and somebody was like,
Speaker 5: are you not gonna Are you not gonna ever change
Speaker 5: out of that? And so then he didn't, and it
Speaker 5: became this like what's the term like a bell with
Speaker 5: like a lightning rod, like a thing where you could
Speaker 5: tell who was fun and who wasn't. Yeah, certain people
Speaker 5: in the front office were.
Speaker 2: Like, why are you still wearing that? Happit?
Speaker 5: Yeah, you know, like and meanwhile he was just like,
Speaker 5: I'm gonna I'm gonna wear this all season. So he
Speaker 5: proceeded to wear it from before it was like brown Thanksgiving.
Speaker 2: All the way.
Speaker 5: If you go back, it would have been the too
Speaker 5: nineteen ninety seven eight season he wore that costume. Tom
Speaker 5: Broker would just go and like clean it at every break,
Speaker 5: and because he of course got it, he was like, well,
Speaker 5: he's comfortable in it, so you know, just like immediately
Speaker 5: always gets it and exactly and then anyway, many many
Speaker 5: times writing a Bobby Marty Will would fall asleep on
Speaker 5: the sofas in the old research area which is now offices,
Speaker 5: which was like across the hall. And because back in
Speaker 5: the day, like we just had a million vhs', we didn't.
Speaker 2: We couldn't internet. There was no internet. Yeah, so I
Speaker 2: know crazy.
Speaker 3: You ever meet Chip Kudro No, so this I guess
Speaker 3: was Will's character of Lisa Kudro brother.
Speaker 5: No, but he also did, Yes, I remember Jim Pudrou.
Speaker 5: He also did Jim Seniurelli's former DP that started at
Speaker 5: a party at zipper Boot party at my house where
Speaker 5: everybody had to wear zipper boots and Harper Steel and
Speaker 5: he and all.
Speaker 6: Those people are all wearing zipper boots and.
Speaker 5: Then like seventies boots is zipped, and then he wore
Speaker 5: like a red pants suit with an ascot and then
Speaker 5: he just yeah, did you ever hear about Ron?
Speaker 2: No?
Speaker 6: No, wait a minute, that was Ron.
Speaker 5: Ron was Jim Senior really's fired DP who was still
Speaker 5: trying to get jobs sintil he was coming around and
Speaker 5: he's dressed is Ron.
Speaker 2: And then famously when p Diddy came, we're.
Speaker 5: Getting into it. Yeah, I gotta find this.
Speaker 6: Tape because I have it.
Speaker 5: He of course like shut down the whole building, like
Speaker 5: you know, SNL. It's like you can tell like the
Speaker 5: five assholes and the six years that I was there
Speaker 5: when they would be like and thoes.
Speaker 2: In the building.
Speaker 5: Everybody stand in your dressing rooms, you know, like and
Speaker 5: you're like, which is applicable if you're a presidential candidate,
Speaker 5: but apart from that, really it's my house.
Speaker 2: And for.
Speaker 5: P Diddy, he demanded a totally closed.
Speaker 2: Set Sean co.
Speaker 5: Yes and he was doing Kashmir. Remember that, donam right, okay?
Speaker 5: And they brought in like the New York Phil and
Speaker 5: they had them in there and they was sealed off
Speaker 5: on Thursday, and we were in the writer's room on
Speaker 5: nine and Will and typically McKay or somebody was like,
Speaker 5: I would be so the dresses Ron because he would
Speaker 5: stay in character for like the whole week, like his dresses.
Speaker 5: Ron at the table. I think we were rewriting Bobby
Speaker 5: and Marty and he went down. They were like, wouldn't
Speaker 5: it be so funny if Ron just went in?
Speaker 2: And he did.
Speaker 5: He went on down the stairs and he marched right in.
Speaker 5: And I have the video on st.
Speaker 6: Where Seawan Combs is like rapping.
Speaker 5: Behind him and he's just like Ron's like walking around
Speaker 5: like really disoriented and looking for Jim. He's like, have
Speaker 5: you seen Jimson? You're Jimson. Really, to be clear to
Speaker 5: your listeners, was the per og pre tape guy. So
Speaker 5: he was like the director who did all of the
Speaker 5: commercial parodies, all of the Gemini's twin videos, all of
Speaker 5: the videos that you would do before Lonely Island came.
Speaker 5: It was like you would go and they were shot
Speaker 5: on film by the s guy, Jim Sinereli, who was
Speaker 5: a character in his own right.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 5: So yeah, so I think that it is the greatest
Speaker 5: thing that's ever happened, because what a deserved person to
Speaker 5: have the Kashmir moment interrupted by Ron And he really
Speaker 5: did not he did not roll with it.
Speaker 6: He was very uncomfortable.
Speaker 2: But it was so also just like the artifice of
Speaker 2: all that faux importance, like what's gonna happen. Yeah, You're
Speaker 2: gonna walk.
Speaker 5: Into the studio and you're like, I'm in the studio,
Speaker 5: I work here.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: What's crazy about the p Diddy of it all is
Speaker 3: it's like you look back at his time of being
Speaker 3: like when he was huge in pop culture, it was
Speaker 3: always weird, Like if you go back and watch like
Speaker 3: making the band. The way that he treats people I
Speaker 3: know is so crazy. The way he talks to these
Speaker 3: especially like I think it was the second season where
Speaker 3: they were making Dannity.
Speaker 2: The way he talks to these girls is absurd.
Speaker 6: You wouldn't believe how they talked to us in the nineties.
Speaker 5: I mean, it's really like the bend, the mine Bend
Speaker 5: is like every now and then I look back and
Speaker 5: I'm like, wow, like the things that we sort of endured,
Speaker 5: but I mean whatever, like it all evolves, and thank
Speaker 5: God for you guys in your generation.
Speaker 2: And you know we didn't do it. No, you didn't
Speaker 2: do that. You didn't do it.
Speaker 5: You weren't born. No, But that's what I'm saying, Like
Speaker 5: it's just been I really do want to speak to
Speaker 5: what you said about community at the beginning of your show,
Speaker 5: because I'm old enough now that I've endured a few
Speaker 5: of these like bumps, And I was telling you right
Speaker 5: before we went on, like the first time the election
Speaker 5: didn't go, you know, our way, I had to do
Speaker 5: a reshoot the next day of the Goldberg's where a
Speaker 5: chandelier fell on me.
Speaker 6: And it's literally like, how did it fall on you.
Speaker 2: Oh my god, I'm sorry, sorry, but the characters were.
Speaker 6: Very special.
Speaker 2: Goldberg, No, I don't remember, just pretend to.
Speaker 5: This year I had to wake up and dress up
Speaker 5: as Martha Stewart and go be with Martha' Steuart on
Speaker 5: The Drew berrymar Show and it did really And then
Speaker 5: doing Mattress, which is this extraordinarily joy oriented show full.
Speaker 2: Of people who are just of the best, sweetest intentions.
Speaker 5: Everybody who did Mattress did it in high school or
Speaker 5: a camp, and there's like this real kind of collective.
Speaker 6: I do have this weird.
Speaker 5: Moment of gratitude in this time that there are so
Speaker 5: many of us who love making joy and who will
Speaker 5: take care of one another and will take care of
Speaker 5: our community. I have more faithly oddly enough than ever
Speaker 5: in that. And I do feel like, whatever, even in
Speaker 5: this terrible scenario, no matter how we want to parse it,
Speaker 5: there's still half of us. I mean, it's a lot
Speaker 5: of people. And you know, it's a lot of people.
Speaker 2: It's millions and millions and millions of people.
Speaker 5: And you guys know because you tour like I'm going
Speaker 5: to Indiana, which is a red stake, and these people
Speaker 5: show up with tears in their eyes at my shows sometimes.
Speaker 5: I mean it's like the joy and that's an I
Speaker 5: don't mean to be arrogant about that and whatever. Like
Speaker 5: I just I feel like we have one move left
Speaker 5: and that is literally sending the clowns. This is your job,
Speaker 5: and have a good time doing it and take care
Speaker 5: of other human beings because church is gone for a
Speaker 5: lot of people. And as a singer, like corny part
Speaker 5: of me, that is the closest I've ever felt to God.
Speaker 5: And I'm not a religious person at all, like at all.
Speaker 5: I went to a Quaker school, Like you know, that's
Speaker 5: like as close as it got, which is not saying
Speaker 5: very much, you know, so service, as you mentioned, reaching
Speaker 5: outwards towards others when you are feeling desperate is very helpful. Yeah,
Speaker 5: and singing with others, like there are these like pop
Speaker 5: up one day choirs. Have you read about that?
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, you don't have to audition, enjoy.
Speaker 5: It, like people just get together to make music together.
Speaker 5: And I do think when you sing and when you
Speaker 5: join That's why I went back to do musicals after
Speaker 5: all was said and done, because sharing that it's outside
Speaker 5: of your control whether you can sing, you know, and
Speaker 5: so like being able to share that with other people,
Speaker 5: not to be corny, but like.
Speaker 2: No, I don't think it's corny at all.
Speaker 3: I actually think especially after like doing something and we
Speaker 3: love SNL and you know, there's lots of amazing memories,
Speaker 3: as you were saying, but it does feel like by
Speaker 3: nature of the show, a lot is out of your control.
Speaker 2: So when you leave, you want to run towards the joy.
Speaker 3: Yeah, And I feel like, do you think that that
Speaker 3: is a direct correlation that you can see in looking back?
Speaker 2: That's such a cool way of putting in.
Speaker 5: I've never thought about it that, yes, absolutely, And even
Speaker 5: with regards to my gender and my whatever, all those
Speaker 5: specific things to each of us that are we felt
Speaker 5: have impacted who we became or whatever. I do find,
Speaker 5: especially in this chapter, which I guess is my third
Speaker 5: chapter of five let's say.
Speaker 2: Total, I definitely.
Speaker 5: Got more thank you well listen, you know, but I
Speaker 5: do in this chapter so many Like actually literally when
Speaker 5: I got the offer for a mattress and I hadn't
Speaker 5: worked for a while because I've seen your parents, I
Speaker 5: was dealing with them and some stuff was going on,
Speaker 5: and after the strike and all that, so I literally
Speaker 5: looked at the offer and I saw the cast. I
Speaker 5: saw Daniel Breaker, I saw Brooks Ashmans because I saw Ston,
Speaker 5: I saw Michael, I saw like the people lined up,
Speaker 5: and I said to my husband, oh my god, this
Speaker 5: cast is so fun, and he was like, stop, don't
Speaker 5: even tell me anything else about it.
Speaker 2: Go do it.
Speaker 5: Yes, for me, backstage is everything. It's much more fun
Speaker 5: if each person's diff friend. But SNL my favorite was
Speaker 5: never Saturday. My favorite was always the rewrite table, which
Speaker 5: is weird because the writers hate the rewrite table.
Speaker 6: But I loved it, Like I.
Speaker 5: Love the idea that you could be with all these
Speaker 5: funny fuckers, Yeah, make your thing better and you're just
Speaker 5: like yeah, and like talking on Thursday's fun and the
Speaker 5: joy of the community is ultimately for me what makes
Speaker 5: us a thing real. And Alphaba to that point was
Speaker 5: a hard job to follow up SNL with Wicked was stupid.
Speaker 2: You didn't give yourself a rap. I mean it was.
Speaker 5: It's really hard, especially that early I was like the
Speaker 5: whatever third, four, third or fourth alphabet place, So I
Speaker 5: mean I was yeah because it went. I was in
Speaker 5: that audition round, which is how I got Chicago. So
Speaker 5: it was me Shoshana and Eden. I think, well, Eaten
Speaker 5: and Shoshana had been standbys on Broadway, so usually those
Speaker 5: people get bumped, kiss the bomp, the costumes already made,
Speaker 5: but also because they're missing and they've been they are fantastic.
Speaker 5: And then Stephanie had been in San Francisco when on
Speaker 5: First National. And then I did Chicago.
Speaker 2: Yes, yes, yes, yes, so arguably I was the first
Speaker 2: outside the family.
Speaker 5: Yeah, but it was great, but it was super hard work.
Speaker 5: And Kate rinders. Oh, and so what I was starting
Speaker 5: to say is that Kate everything's funnier from Glinda, by
Speaker 5: the way, because they're also they talk literally like yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 5: And like even when she was angry about something, she
Speaker 5: would be like he looks all for forty, you know,
Speaker 5: like I would always gonna be last.
Speaker 2: But she said, she's like, we're broa best friend, so
Speaker 2: should we just we should just probably be best friends.
Speaker 5: And we were and we still are. Like she she's
Speaker 5: a really good girl, and we've always been very close.
Speaker 5: We just took care of each other. And again as
Speaker 5: number one, and you know you said all the tones,
Speaker 5: I was like, we can gossip and we can talk shit,
Speaker 5: but only to each other.
Speaker 2: To each other. But you guys, really I think like
Speaker 2: people talk about that cast when you were alphabove, just
Speaker 2: like that was setting this model for the future on
Speaker 2: like how like this is the tone setting that we want,
Speaker 2: this is the environment that we want. It's not toxic.
Speaker 2: And sometimes said anything before was like no, I know,
Speaker 2: just but.
Speaker 5: You know, but no, it really wasn't. It was a
Speaker 5: really sweet group of humans. And part of it was
Speaker 5: Chicago too. We had a lot of step and we
Speaker 5: like Ronnie like a Tony Winner from the Steppenwolf's production
Speaker 5: of August nosh County, Like incredible people were there. Heii,
Speaker 5: Kenton Ring, who I went to college with, like she
Speaker 5: played nessa forever. So there was this real gratitude amongst
Speaker 5: a lot of the Chicago locals that were this is
Speaker 5: a good equity gig for a long time. You know,
Speaker 5: people bought houses and stuff. So there was a nice feeling.
Speaker 5: And we did Thanksgiving together and we didn't and Mattresses,
Speaker 5: I mean next level.
Speaker 2: We have a book club company. We played Traders.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean all of it, like all of the things.
Speaker 5: Daniel Breaker is like an incredible chef, so he's like
Speaker 5: every other day they'll be like Oh, there's jambalaya in
Speaker 5: the green room that Daniel made, you know, pullpork, he
Speaker 5: made pull pork the morning after be like.
Speaker 3: You can tell you actually can tell that. It's like
Speaker 3: that when you see the show, it's really fun and
Speaker 3: you get the sense to that while all of the
Speaker 3: amazing physical comedy is incredibly well blocked and everything, it
Speaker 3: feels improvisational.
Speaker 5: There's a lot of it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and the ensemble is really really engaged, a small ensemble.
Speaker 2: We're close. It's nice. Yeah, it's just a fun sure
Speaker 2: that there's those songs are really well.
Speaker 5: The music is fantastic and that's actually probably the most
Speaker 5: important part and nothing outside of our control. But because
Speaker 5: that stuff get when you do a music will get
Speaker 5: stuck in your head. I've been living with it for
Speaker 5: some time. So what else?
Speaker 2: What else?
Speaker 4: What?
Speaker 5: Wait?
Speaker 2: But was singing first or was it violin first? For you?
Speaker 5: So violin theoretically? Yeah, and truly I love that you
Speaker 5: know that, but I really hated it. That's a lonely
Speaker 5: ass instrument.
Speaker 2: Do you play the violin I played growing up? Yeah?
Speaker 2: And I have neutral complicated feels about it. It's complid.
Speaker 2: I was good at it, and I enjoyed it. It
Speaker 2: was also I was better at the piano for sure.
Speaker 5: But the perfectionism fact is really if you're a little
Speaker 5: OCD as I imagine all everybody in our community is, is
Speaker 5: really dangerous and it's lonely like I mean, I mean
Speaker 5: the sad part is like, so I was playing violin,
Speaker 5: I was good, Yeah, same exact like you. Like if
Speaker 5: I had really loved it, that would have been the thing.
Speaker 5: Went to like camps for it and stuff like that,
Speaker 5: and then I went to interlock in. Oh wow, theater
Speaker 5: camp break and I as a Island major and I
Speaker 5: went and I was like, I want to do plays
Speaker 5: like I saw. So I came back and immediately booked
Speaker 5: in my middle school Helen Keller and The Miracle Worker.
Speaker 2: He were you, Annie, I was Helen you were?
Speaker 5: I mean, yes, go off.
Speaker 2: I love it.
Speaker 5: Even as blind defew Helen Keller. I was like, I'm home.
Speaker 6: I found my thing.
Speaker 5: And from then on I was like, oh, I think
Speaker 5: this is my It was honestly, it was all backstage people.
Speaker 5: It was people like in seventh grade. I was like, oh,
Speaker 5: this is what I.
Speaker 2: Want to do, like the bits, but I didn't know
Speaker 2: that they were bits then I just thought, you know, funny,
Speaker 2: was it college? Was it Northwestern where you were like comedy? Yes?
Speaker 6: Because then I switched a voice.
Speaker 5: I bargained out from violin because my family was very
Speaker 5: classical music, very training oriented. So my mom there was
Speaker 5: not going to be not doing an instrument or training
Speaker 5: of some sort. So I bargained into a classical vocal program.
Speaker 5: I take some roles in the Washington Opera as a kid,
Speaker 5: like Labom Children's Chorus, Ghost and Macbeth, like Barrie, which
Speaker 5: I also hated, and then again community. I like the kids,
Speaker 5: but that was it. And then when I got to
Speaker 5: I sang my way into Northwestern. I never would have
Speaker 5: gotten in without my audition. And then I was the
Speaker 5: worst music student on earth.
Speaker 2: I mean, I don't because you lost interest or I
Speaker 2: just I.
Speaker 5: Mean I did not want to be an opera singer.
Speaker 5: And then I found improv therelay. It was called me
Speaker 5: a Show, and like Seth was in it, and I
Speaker 5: think Sarah Sherman was in it, and yeah it was
Speaker 5: it's a very like all the Julia Louis Dreyfus. Yeah, yeah, but.
Speaker 2: That's how I did.
Speaker 5: I just found the people, and I'm sure when you
Speaker 5: start doing improv, you're like, oh my god, my mutant friends.
Speaker 2: Yes.
Speaker 5: And then that's why I went to LA and went
Speaker 5: into TV, and I didn't do anything thing vocally. I
Speaker 5: kind of part I was like, smoked a bunch of
Speaker 5: cigarettes and did comedy and then did the groundings.
Speaker 6: But I was always like going back to singing.
Speaker 2: Yeah, because it's in the toolkit.
Speaker 5: And then after SNL, I sort of wanted to like
Speaker 5: it was reaction formation, the chaos, and the sort of
Speaker 5: the thing I started to feel at the end of
Speaker 5: SNL was I was sort of always just not failing,
Speaker 5: if that makes sense.
Speaker 6: Like I was sort of totally not like just pulling
Speaker 6: it off.
Speaker 5: Whereas with theater, like you have the opportunity to constantly
Speaker 5: refine and make it better and better and better.
Speaker 2: It's so ephemeral doing an SNL.
Speaker 5: Sorry, yes, exactly exactly, and especially if you're one shot
Speaker 5: Saturday night and you're like I kind of, you know,
Speaker 5: didn't love how it went at air, I went, whatever.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that is a feeling. I guess you never get
Speaker 3: to correct anything, never, never, which is kind of beautiful,
Speaker 3: but also for yes, yes, yeah, I'm at the frustrating.
Speaker 2: Point it's frustrating. It's a weird feeling because the stakes
Speaker 2: feel very high, which they are.
Speaker 6: But also what I will say is.
Speaker 5: Not that you're asking, but please you know, twenty two
Speaker 5: years out, the part I remember is the creative part.
Speaker 5: The part I remember is the people and the community
Speaker 5: and the making thing, and those skills never go away.
Speaker 5: They never go away, and the community never goes away.
Speaker 5: I mean, I've worked with so many people across so
Speaker 5: many generations of SNL that I wasn't even on the
Speaker 5: show with but the shorthand of understanding one another. I mean,
Speaker 5: Rachel and I never wrote together at the show, and
Speaker 5: she's like my writing partner now. So it's like, wow,
Speaker 5: you know yourma. I've done things with kred Ormiston and
Speaker 5: I have done things like people who because you know
Speaker 5: the shorthand, you know the mutant skin.
Speaker 2: It's the mutant skin. And also but I feel like
Speaker 2: what you've done with that's an all sort of like
Speaker 2: I don't know, I guess like holding some kind of
Speaker 2: like weight on the tablescape of it is like so
Speaker 2: like it is your own specific tableau of things, like
Speaker 2: like no one else from mess and L has been
Speaker 2: that kind of vocalist and has like used their specific
Speaker 2: talent in that way the way that you have. And
Speaker 2: I feel like that's just what's kind of incredible about
Speaker 2: well everything said.
Speaker 5: You kind of you know whatever, what is it? Necessity
Speaker 5: is a mother of invention. I mean just what things
Speaker 5: that you love and that you do and it gives you.
Speaker 5: I mean, it really does give you the freedom to
Speaker 5: go a lot of places. Yeah, I mean it's insane.
Speaker 5: I couldn't even get roles as a girl on SNL
Speaker 5: in the nineties like coming out and then now like
Speaker 5: it's just you know, the legacy of the place is
Speaker 5: such a gift, Like it's unreal.
Speaker 3: It's so crazy because I feel like that was the
Speaker 3: time when everyone was talking about the women of SNL,
Speaker 3: the women of est.
Speaker 2: We definitely got a lot of attention.
Speaker 5: We definitely did, And I don't mean to disturb that
Speaker 5: in any way, Like especially the beginning with Molly Sherry
Speaker 5: and I just because it was coming, Like when I
Speaker 5: got the show, I'm not making this up, it was
Speaker 5: a reset. People came up to me and they were like, Oh,
Speaker 5: you're so funny. I'm so bummed that you're going on SNL.
Speaker 5: You're going to be squandered, like the idea of being
Speaker 5: a woman on the show was not a good idea
Speaker 5: because they had just fired Janine Garoffalo do you remember that, and.
Speaker 6: Women had been fired.
Speaker 5: Like all these really kind of interesting girls had just
Speaker 5: sort of been eaten up and chewed out. Right, they're
Speaker 5: chewed up and now to say stay away from this metaphor, they.
Speaker 2: Got lot of shit out.
Speaker 5: And uh, it was hard, you know, there was it
Speaker 5: was hard to navigate, but for whatever kind of cosmic reasons,
Speaker 5: the three of us kind of powered through. And then
Speaker 5: and then by the time I left, it was there
Speaker 5: were a lot of women. There was like Amy and
Speaker 5: Tina and yes, all these kind of domin didn't feel watershed.
Speaker 3: And then all of a sudden, almost like ever since then,
Speaker 3: it's like, who are the women in this?
Speaker 2: Andw I love it this way? No one's really ever
Speaker 2: talked about the guys since, and I'm like, that's totally fine.
Speaker 2: I think even now, it's like the women of SNL
Speaker 2: are killing it. It's like, I love that the women
Speaker 2: and bowen the women in this gig.
Speaker 5: Guy, that's not true. You cut right through my friend.
Speaker 2: One of my fondest SNL memories ever was doing my
Speaker 2: most random update ever. I don't even want to mention
Speaker 2: it because it was just mentioned it that it was
Speaker 2: bottle Boy. It was a total like let's just fucking
Speaker 2: write it. It was fine, and then I just like
Speaker 2: went into my dressing room and then I was just
Speaker 2: kind of like I had like a light show. I
Speaker 2: had nothing else to do, and I just sat in
Speaker 2: my dressing room and then I hear and knock at
Speaker 2: the door, and I think it's like a page dropping off,
Speaker 2: like Chris Red's lunch or something, and I'm like, come in, thing,
Speaker 2: another knock, come in, and then I finally like open
Speaker 2: up the door, and then it's you, Drag and Tino
Speaker 2: is your aunties.
Speaker 7: It was.
Speaker 2: We wanted to meet you. It was so surreal to me,
Speaker 2: but the three of you at the same time screamed
Speaker 2: at the door. I like, come in, but I was
Speaker 2: like I couldn't believe it. And we talked about bar
Speaker 2: Island and we talked about what we do and that
Speaker 2: was just such a I will never forget.
Speaker 3: He texted me, when you guys you have to know,
Speaker 3: like for gay boys who grew up with snel, like,
Speaker 3: you guys are legends and the like I'll never forget, Like,
Speaker 3: I mean, we talked about geminized twin and talk about
Speaker 3: swoenty balls. All these things are like in the fabric
Speaker 3: of our comedic upbring you know, and that that it's
Speaker 3: not just that I.
Speaker 2: Mean mean girls, I mean like.
Speaker 5: All these things, so many of the things, so many
Speaker 5: of the.
Speaker 3: Things I'll never forget, Like watching the the intro to
Speaker 3: Diva's Live.
Speaker 2: Okay, you just said that. Well, I'm saying no, you
Speaker 2: want to know why because when you your question about
Speaker 2: what the cultural moment is, I got there, like really chewing,
Speaker 2: We'll get there.
Speaker 5: But it's funny because I was like, do I bring
Speaker 5: up deep this last? Because I do that wasn't speaking
Speaker 5: to the power of the women on the show. That
Speaker 5: was a moment where I think, you know, you have
Speaker 5: these moments when you're like a nobody and then suddenly
Speaker 5: you're on and it must be so intense now because
Speaker 5: you guys are all over social and whatever. We were
Speaker 5: just like quietly, I mean, you know, the day I
Speaker 5: got the show, I think I had on my og
Speaker 5: answering machine, I thirty six like messages at the time.
Speaker 5: I was like, And it's also funny because there's a
Speaker 5: lot of assholes, like the agents are doing sign you
Speaker 5: and stuff.
Speaker 2: Like you know, were like, I just wanted to say congratulations.
Speaker 6: We had such a sense and you've landed raised such
Speaker 6: a sense even though we told.
Speaker 5: You you weren't wouldn't work and see you look like
Speaker 5: Courtney thorn Smith deep cut but true I had twice
Speaker 5: I had that had such to me twice.
Speaker 6: I don't want to say, isn't that crazy?
Speaker 5: I know, well, Tina and I have a saying which
Speaker 5: is ethnic in the eighties because we both had like
Speaker 5: super Greek care.
Speaker 2: We were ethnic in the eighties breakness.
Speaker 5: So it was literally like I was, yeah, so ethnic
Speaker 5: in the eighties and now because literally my school was
Speaker 5: like you know, wanted me to do whatever. The West
Speaker 5: Side store like now you're like, my daughter is scandalized.
Speaker 3: Yes, but you so you were Celine Dion, Molly was Shanayah,
Speaker 3: and Sherry was Mariah and it was the three of you,
Speaker 3: like all discussing. It was a sketch with the three
Speaker 3: of you before the show started.
Speaker 5: Do you know who was there, you guys was Destiny's child.
Speaker 5: We were introducing Destiny's child. Isn't that crazy?
Speaker 2: After you'd already done no, because I hadn't been the show.
Speaker 5: I wasn't on the show on the show yet. It
Speaker 5: was it was ninety six, I think or seven, early seven,
Speaker 5: and that was my first moment where I was like, oh,
Speaker 5: we're this is a thing. And the first paper to
Speaker 5: mention it, the first paper of record was Playboy.
Speaker 2: Wow.
Speaker 5: Playboy did like a little story on the girls of
Speaker 5: SNL popping.
Speaker 3: Wow.
Speaker 6: Weird, but it used to be. My husband has a plan,
Speaker 6: by the way, Playboys for sale.
Speaker 5: He's like, I think we should buy Playboy, and we
Speaker 5: should just quietly talk to all the white straight boys
Speaker 5: who don't know how to vote and gave them a
Speaker 5: place that isn't like such like it's only semi.
Speaker 2: Toxic masculinity exactly, give him a gray scale gale. Yeah,
Speaker 2: so I think we'll include. I mean, I have I
Speaker 2: have a sweet straight boy, so I want to I
Speaker 2: want it to be they're not all bad, they're all bad,
Speaker 2: like like how'd you get him that way?
Speaker 5: He has an anxiety disorder. That's so he just runs constantly.
Speaker 5: He runs, like constantly running, like running running, like he
Speaker 5: ran the Brooklyn Half as a sophomore in high school,
Speaker 5: like he's so that's how he handles his despair without
Speaker 5: the money.
Speaker 3: Looking back, I know that was why I was a
Speaker 3: runner too, and because I was also a heavy track athlete.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I you were looking back, I'm like it
Speaker 2: was my anxiety. Oh yeah, anxiety.
Speaker 5: I ran across country high school too, did you badly?
Speaker 2: Badly? But I liked it.
Speaker 5: It was the only thing kept me saying because it
Speaker 5: was you know, very sure it was prediagnosis.
Speaker 2: Times right, right right, I keep.
Speaker 6: Aging myself in my day.
Speaker 2: My mother bought me Dexa trim. Dexa trim.
Speaker 5: My mom bought me Dexa trim.
Speaker 2: Can you imagine? Yeah, like you know what you should.
Speaker 5: Probably we all did the Scarsdale Dialet diet, which was gross.
Speaker 5: It was like half a I can't imagine having an
Speaker 5: adolescent in my house and being like, here's your half
Speaker 5: a grape fruit and black coffee. Yes it was black coffee,
Speaker 5: half a grape fruit, and then hilarious eighties pasta for dinner. Well,
Speaker 5: you're all on dexterterrim anyway, so it didn't matter.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but you know what, there was high.
Speaker 6: As a kite, Judy Garland, Jesus.
Speaker 3: We were told like you can't eat enough pasta the runner,
Speaker 3: you know what I mean, Like it was a carbo
Speaker 3: load all the time.
Speaker 6: That's actually still a thing.
Speaker 3: Well, yeah, I remember I would go for pasta party
Speaker 3: dinners at Applebee's and I would fuck myself up because
Speaker 3: I would just have the three cheese chicken penny and
Speaker 3: I would run my race the next day.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but look, there was a day where I had
Speaker 2: to stop and ship, which.
Speaker 6: Is like, yes, I just read an article about it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, like it's it's out there, it's happening. We're kind
Speaker 3: of existing in this area where I think we should
Speaker 3: ask the question. Yes, I think we're short of back
Speaker 3: in time. So Ana Gostayer, what was the culture that
Speaker 3: made you say culture was for you?
Speaker 5: Okay, so I'm going to be this is I'm not
Speaker 5: gonna be as fun on this answer. Okay, we are
Speaker 5: existing in this time and it is the only thing
Speaker 5: I can think of, And it's going to sound really
Speaker 5: humble braggy, but it is about SNL and it's about
Speaker 5: the importance of laughter.
Speaker 6: I can't believe I just said that.
Speaker 5: My friend Tony and I have a bit where we
Speaker 5: always make fun of people who use the word humor.
Speaker 2: Of course it's so humor they kill it.
Speaker 5: Just just this sucks all common Yeah, people who call
Speaker 5: that out exactly. I love how you use humor. Humor,
Speaker 5: some humorous done, use umor to difuse awkward situations. Yes,
Speaker 5: just destroying it, ruining everything random humor.
Speaker 2: We my what I was gonna say.
Speaker 6: So this is a weird thing to throw out there.
Speaker 5: But as a kid, I was friends with Amy Carter,
Speaker 5: President Jimmy Carter's daughter. Oh, I grew up in Washington, Okay,
Speaker 5: so for starters, let me just start with culture. Like,
Speaker 5: I grew up in a totally black neighborhood. I was
Speaker 5: a little white girl who played the violin, and I
Speaker 5: had an eye patch, wow due to blindness, oh, due
Speaker 5: to due to permanent just whatever legal blindness my writing.
Speaker 6: So I was always patched. They patched me for like ever.
Speaker 7: So I was.
Speaker 6: I would go to like my all black elementary school
Speaker 6: with my.
Speaker 5: Violin and my eye patch, and as you can imagine,
Speaker 5: I developed a sense of I used humor to situations. Okay,
Speaker 5: so anyway, but then weirdly it was in this after
Speaker 5: school program like this GT kind of thing, and I
Speaker 5: got I became friends with Amy Carter, Jimmy Carter's daughter,
Speaker 5: and we became really good friends. And she played the
Speaker 5: violin and she was like a reader. And so I
Speaker 5: weirdly had this whole childhood life in middle school where
Speaker 5: I would go and like sleep over at the White
Speaker 5: House and like go to Camp David, Like I went
Speaker 5: to Camp David.
Speaker 2: During the camp.
Speaker 5: During during the Camp David Accord, I played if You
Speaker 5: Research It, if you go to the Viola for Anwar,
Speaker 5: Sadat and knockam Big and just me, And it's such
Speaker 5: a weird, yes, for the Middle Eastern I watched Star
Speaker 5: Wars with the Sadats insane thing.
Speaker 2: Okay, so we're just to make this clear. This is
Speaker 2: while he was president.
Speaker 5: Okay, so all this kind of weird fact about my
Speaker 5: life just by this accident of biography, Okay to say
Speaker 5: that I was in the White House sleeping over at
Speaker 5: Amy Carter's. And now remember Saturday Night Live started in
Speaker 5: seventy five, Yes, and it was everybody, like liberal parents,
Speaker 5: all the people on my block, everybody was aware that
Speaker 5: this kind of like radical piece of television had come out.
Speaker 5: And again, I know for your audience, like it's hard
Speaker 5: to imagine, but nobody had made fun of the news.
Speaker 5: Nobody had made fun of like basic sort of tropes
Speaker 5: that we're accustomed to.
Speaker 6: The onion like that was so radical.
Speaker 5: Yeah, and I was a kid, I was little, but
Speaker 5: I was aware that they were like edgy and cool
Speaker 5: and making choices that were strange and wearing costumes and funny,
Speaker 5: like we knew it was cool and him it's right
Speaker 5: after Watergate. It's right right after water Gate. And basically
Speaker 5: what we watched was which was great. It was like
Speaker 5: Carol Burnette and Bob Newhart and like what was on
Speaker 5: TV when it was scheduled. So you just kind of
Speaker 5: like consumed television idly if you will it. So and
Speaker 5: again also I remember I was ten eleven. So I'm
Speaker 5: in the White House and it's after dinner. It's late
Speaker 5: where it's a sleepover, and we go to this little
Speaker 5: like kitchenette in the in the living quarters and President
Speaker 5: Carter was like never there because he was the president
Speaker 5: and we were usually just with her nanny and her
Speaker 5: maybe Rosland Carter was around a little bit, and we
Speaker 5: went to get a snack and we came out and
Speaker 5: sort of in the middle of the White House living area,
Speaker 5: President Jimmy Carter was sitting in a chair with a
Speaker 5: burgundy v neck and a beer and he was watching
Speaker 5: dan akroy Oh play himself on Saturday Night Live, and
Speaker 5: he was laughing hysterically.
Speaker 2: Oh my god.
Speaker 5: And it imprinted in my brain of the well, obviously,
Speaker 5: the surrealness of like whatever, there's this person dressed as
Speaker 5: this person imitating this person president leader of the Free world.
Speaker 5: And I'll also I just think he's the most amazing
Speaker 5: human being obviously, you know, although he went on to
Speaker 5: do incredible acts of humanity humanism, but it has stayed
Speaker 5: with me so much in the last twelve years, our
Speaker 5: lack of empathy and understanding, like when as soon as
Speaker 5: the president elect I'm not going to say his name,
Speaker 5: was not able to laugh at anything about himself. In fact,
Speaker 5: arguably ran for president because he was a laughing stock,
Speaker 5: right because Seth made fun of him. It's so the
Speaker 5: ability to laugh at things and the ability to pull
Speaker 5: yourself out of situations and to find what's funny about it.
Speaker 5: And I can't even believe I'm saying this, but like
Speaker 5: the gift that humor does actually give us as a
Speaker 5: piece of sort of like storytelling and political commentary as
Speaker 5: much as like, I really hated addressing as Martha Stewart
Speaker 5: day after the election, and I hated doing the Goldbergs
Speaker 5: and having chandelier followed me. It's more important than I thought,
Speaker 5: you know. And I feel like we're going to have
Speaker 5: a lot of places in this new era where whatever
Speaker 5: news has proven itself to beyond trustworthy, and social media
Speaker 5: has certainly proven itself to be on like maybe we
Speaker 5: idiotic performers will be able to tell the truth a
Speaker 5: little bit.
Speaker 2: It's starting it all.
Speaker 3: Deep and what a special memory.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that is wild.
Speaker 5: Even my ten year old brain was like, oh, he's
Speaker 5: so good at he's laughing at himself. Like I understood
Speaker 5: it on some profound level.
Speaker 2: And like you understood what was being shown on television
Speaker 2: was this, like I mean lampooning.
Speaker 5: I mean, I don't think I will Like I was
Speaker 5: a kid, so I wasn't like dialed into like the
Speaker 5: nuance of the politic, you know, but you just understood
Speaker 5: that he understood that it was an impression of him
Speaker 5: that he was we were in the White House, and
Speaker 5: that he was watching this Saturday night live still and
Speaker 5: yet that one of the cooler pieces of cultural reflection
Speaker 5: in our in our society, and that he understood that
Speaker 5: it was funny and that there was a power to that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's like the ron thing or it's like it's
Speaker 2: like whatever. It's like it's like either youther, either you
Speaker 2: get it or you don't. Yeah, and like right now
Speaker 2: you gotta get it.
Speaker 6: We gotta get it. I mean it's really hard.
Speaker 5: I don't get it. I don't think anything's funny right
Speaker 5: now except for you and all the work that you do.
Speaker 5: But it's like, but you know what I'm saying, Like
Speaker 5: yeah and whatever. Sometimes that means we just need something
Speaker 5: light and fluffy and joyful and something is whatever the
Speaker 5: moment calls for.
Speaker 2: I just it's about humility. It's about it takes you
Speaker 2: out of It takes you out of like thinking that
Speaker 2: your own reality is the most important one.
Speaker 3: I've definitely been thinking a lot about like because as
Speaker 3: we as we have like this platform where we're expected
Speaker 3: to come in on culture and everything, it has been
Speaker 3: I don't know how if you feel this way, but
Speaker 3: it sometimes can be confusing about like do we come
Speaker 3: on here and like say this is what I think
Speaker 3: and like that's that and react in real time or
Speaker 3: are we supposed to be clowns? And I think it's
Speaker 3: sort of a mix of both. It's been an interesting one,
Speaker 3: and you know, I would imagine that like it feels
Speaker 3: probably very similar when you are on Saturday Night Live.
Speaker 3: It's like we do have to speak to real issues,
Speaker 3: but also at the same time, like what we do
Speaker 3: and what our talents are are being funny and being
Speaker 3: the gesters. And the literal role of the gester is
Speaker 3: to point to the king and say, this is what's
Speaker 3: crazy about the king, I mean, And it feels that's
Speaker 3: like where humor, that's like where comedy is birthed from.
Speaker 3: That's literally the job of the comedian is to do
Speaker 3: the very thing. But it can sometimes feel I think,
Speaker 3: and this is where I think we can as comedians
Speaker 3: and as people in the arts check ourselves. Is it
Speaker 3: can become very self important and.
Speaker 2: I want to get in there.
Speaker 3: But when people I sometimes like, for example, I've really
Speaker 3: been thinking a lot about like the celebrity endorsement, right,
Speaker 3: and like how it didn't I mean, it literally didn't
Speaker 3: matter at all in one sense, Like of course, it's
Speaker 3: great to be able to speak out against like fascism
Speaker 3: and these like objective evils and to let people know like, Hi, women,
Speaker 3: I see you, I'm sticking up for you. I'm standing
Speaker 3: up to this. But at the same time, it feels
Speaker 3: like we've been given a clear message that like the
Speaker 3: public I think across the board wants entertainers to be entertainers,
Speaker 3: not schols and not schold and also to not feel
Speaker 3: like they can control culture, because I think we've seen
Speaker 3: that they don't.
Speaker 2: You know what I mean. I'm not saying like, don't
Speaker 2: speak up, but I.
Speaker 5: Say I mean I do see some fault at the
Speaker 5: feet of those who have characterized it as such. I
Speaker 5: do feel like, yes, stay in your lane to a
Speaker 5: certain degree, but we also are what we're made of, right, Yeah,
Speaker 5: So finding common ground as human beings is part of
Speaker 5: what comedy is, like finding the things that we share
Speaker 5: in common. And actually, I do think it gets harder
Speaker 5: and harder and harder as we're more and more sort
Speaker 5: of forced into these tribal lanes. It's really it's really tricky,
Speaker 5: but you know whatever, Like I love That's what I'm saying,
Speaker 5: Like I love doing shows in Kansas and Red States
Speaker 5: and you know, places where I can just share a
Speaker 5: love of the holidays and try to find a place
Speaker 5: that's like a little less lightning roddy for people. But
Speaker 5: there are fewer and fewer places to do that. The
Speaker 5: holidays is one, but just the things that we all
Speaker 5: kind of universally share. But I do feel like I
Speaker 5: guess what I was really trying to say is that
Speaker 5: people like shut up, you entitled libs. I think that
Speaker 5: that's very activating for me too, because in many ways
Speaker 5: we share the same values, and I think for women
Speaker 5: in particular, it's heartbreak.
Speaker 2: I mean, Beyonce Taylor Swift, like those people showing.
Speaker 5: Up men to people like my daughter who are twenty two,
Speaker 5: it meant a lot because it's very it's a very
Speaker 5: hopeless feeling to be a young woman right now in
Speaker 5: this country, not just from the tactical standpoints of reproductive care,
Speaker 5: but also you know, they've now in their very short lives,
Speaker 5: seen misogyny really run the roar, you know, now pull
Speaker 5: the camera back. We've run two candidates in twelve years.
Speaker 5: It's not bad. I never thought a woman was even
Speaker 5: an option for a president, let alone a person of color,
Speaker 5: Like it was not even in there. So whatever, fifty years, yeah,
Speaker 5: we're probably gonna have both of those boxes checked.
Speaker 2: You know, it just feels very immediate right now, right,
Speaker 2: And this is the thing that I've learned from like
Speaker 2: my Shoemaker via Seth. Yeah, I don't know if this
Speaker 2: gives me pause or if this like puts me into
Speaker 2: more despair. Yeah, yeah, I'm just like anytime Seth wanted
Speaker 2: to have it out with someone at SNL, like Shoemaker
Speaker 2: to be like, it's a long life. It's a lot
Speaker 2: if you wait, whatever you're feeling about these particular people
Speaker 2: is going to go away and then they'll be at
Speaker 2: your wedding. And like, well that is true about SNL totally.
Speaker 2: And I don't know that. I don't know how the ground.
Speaker 5: I don't think Trump it's gonna come to any of
Speaker 5: my children's keep mine.
Speaker 2: Can it happen? I don't know. You were friends with
Speaker 2: the Carters.
Speaker 5: It's true. I was friends with the Carter, but I
Speaker 5: he turned out to be the best president ever.
Speaker 2: My god, did you ever go to Georgia or Atlanta
Speaker 2: or no?
Speaker 5: I mean they literally moved back and that was sort
Speaker 5: of that. And again, this was like pre it was
Speaker 5: like long distance phone calls something, you know, But I
Speaker 5: mean we had some friends in common over the years,
Speaker 5: and President Carter did depend and whatever. This is just
Speaker 5: humble bragging now, but somebody told me that a book
Speaker 5: on tape editor had also worked on his memoirs, and
Speaker 5: I don't know how it came up, but he mentioned
Speaker 5: he was like, oh, the comedian on a gas styre,
Speaker 5: she was a friend of these. But it was such
Speaker 5: a weird feeling that he knew who I was, but like,
Speaker 5: of course, like I was on television but not of course.
Speaker 3: But but no, but at a time when everyone but
Speaker 3: it seemed that was monocultures, I know, was monoculture.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and the think about Christmas. Sorry to go back
Speaker 2: to this, but.
Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah you can so braggy, you know.
Speaker 2: But you two kind of going across the country performing
Speaker 2: these shows about Christmas, having it be so resident and
Speaker 2: people loving it. It's like Christmas feels like the Holidays
Speaker 2: feel like the last kind of they do.
Speaker 6: They're the last safe space.
Speaker 5: And also because they are so just admittedly pagan at
Speaker 5: this point, it's not like, you.
Speaker 2: Know, I know what's funny about it.
Speaker 5: I know it is kind of funny because I just
Speaker 5: feel like people like need a fucking break, like they
Speaker 5: just can I say fucking yeah that they like people
Speaker 5: are just tired and they want to be it's a
Speaker 5: funny time for programming. Like it also gets really because
Speaker 5: I've done so much now, like with Cluster Funk, with
Speaker 5: our Christmas movie and Lifetime and Hallmark and like we're
Speaker 5: developing the Cluster Funk into a musical actually over the stage.
Speaker 2: But I know, so fun.
Speaker 5: But everyone's always like, well, yeah, it's such a weird
Speaker 5: time with program because nobody thinks about it.
Speaker 6: And then everybody's trapped in the.
Speaker 5: House and they're all watching Hallmark movies because all they
Speaker 5: want to.
Speaker 2: Do it's comfort food because they just want something new
Speaker 2: because the old stuff kind of like, why don't we
Speaker 2: visit the old stuff? There's not that much, but many
Speaker 2: people do. I know many people do. But I'm like, like.
Speaker 6: I do, White Christmas.
Speaker 2: I do.
Speaker 5: It's a wonderful life. Yeah I do, Rudolph, I do.
Speaker 5: What do you do, Charlie Brown? Yeah, there's there's Yeah.
Speaker 3: The heat Miser. Those are bops by the way, Yeah,
Speaker 3: Heat Miser. Whatever I touch starts to melt in my clutch.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm too much ranking and bass right, Yeah that was.
Speaker 3: Good, you know, What's funny though, Like you're talking about
Speaker 3: like going to like red states, and I remember I
Speaker 3: was looking at because I'm going on the road yea
Speaker 3: for all of December, and the by far slowest markets,
Speaker 3: like the tour is selling great, but like the slowest
Speaker 3: ones were Philadelphia and Atlanta, And I asked my agent.
Speaker 2: I'm like, why are these so slow? And they were like, oh,
Speaker 2: because those cities are.
Speaker 3: Like the anxiety is so high for the election, and like,
Speaker 3: as you said, across the board, like those are any
Speaker 3: swing state is like tough. And now it's kind of like,
Speaker 3: I really do hope people like come out because I
Speaker 3: think that the amount of anxiety that had to have
Speaker 3: been felt that.
Speaker 2: Think about how I got robo calls exactly.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, speaking a lot of money, I bet too,
Speaker 3: like at different events and because people that were really
Speaker 3: activated in those areas are spending a lot of money,
Speaker 3: like in the way that other areas may.
Speaker 2: Not have been.
Speaker 3: Also just I mean, we were in Pennsylvania recently and
Speaker 3: it's tense, Like it is tense you look around at
Speaker 3: people and you're like, how are you looking at me?
Speaker 3: And I think that you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2: And we were just there. It was rough. It.
Speaker 5: I had people like in campussing say like I'm afraid
Speaker 5: to vote because I'm afraid what my neighbors will do.
Speaker 2: I mean, it's you know, people are scared. Yeah, it's tough.
Speaker 5: That's why we're going to continue to Christmas write a moment.
Speaker 6: Christmas bring in that class.
Speaker 2: I feel the Send of the Clouds theme is really
Speaker 2: really trenchent or trench.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't know what trench, but I like it.
Speaker 3: We need to find out in real time.
Speaker 2: Well, Christmas on the cover, Favorite Christmas on the cover
Speaker 2: on the album or off the album, off Sugar and
Speaker 2: Booze favorite Chris Chrimas song to cover I'm So Sorry
Speaker 2: to cover. Well, I love the version that I on
Speaker 2: my album is a sleigh ride. Great.
Speaker 5: Nobody like it's not that popular, Like I don't know
Speaker 5: what he listens to it, but I love it's like
Speaker 5: this sort of Boss on Nova cover and I love Yeah, yeah, You're.
Speaker 2: At home in that style and that like sort of
Speaker 2: like Cuman.
Speaker 5: Yeah, we have that secret Santa song that I wrote. Yeah,
Speaker 5: Maya is so funny on it. You know where we
Speaker 5: recorded that, which is so crazy because Maya's like knows everybody.
Speaker 5: We recorded that in Joni Mitchell's studio in La because
Speaker 5: her friend like runs that studio. Oh, it's amazing, and
Speaker 5: actually Pharrell, they stuck us in. Just do it really
Speaker 5: fast because apparently Farrell had it for the day, So
Speaker 5: Farrell doesn't know that he paid for my studio time
Speaker 5: that song, which is kind of.
Speaker 2: He's good for it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, means vigorous or incisive in expression or style.
Speaker 2: And what did I say, was trenchent the point that
Speaker 2: the ten in the Clowns, Then in the Clowns is
Speaker 2: is trunchient. I would say vigorous and incisive an expression, yeah,
Speaker 2: in the clown Yeah, in the Clowns is trunchent. That's
Speaker 2: the r of culture. That's real culture. Number seventy five.
Speaker 2: Then is good. You would do a great rendition of
Speaker 2: that song. It's kind of a downer, yeah, but that's yeah,
Speaker 2: but there there's an ounce of triumph to.
Speaker 5: It, yeah, a little bit.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I think it's beautiful and how sad and resign.
Speaker 5: I know now that I'm in my third chapter, I
Speaker 5: don't feel anything. I try to shut down feelings as
Speaker 5: fast as possible, you know what. I know it's because
Speaker 5: I figure chapter it is going to be about getting them, no. Four,
Speaker 5: because fourth chapter, a lot of people are going to
Speaker 5: start dying, and so then I'm going to have to
Speaker 5: cry a lot. So and then by fifth chapter be like,
Speaker 5: well that we were good friends, and then I'll be it.
Speaker 2: It is crazy.
Speaker 3: Like I was watching like Hillary was obviously doing the
Speaker 3: rounds a little bit and a lot of her friends
Speaker 3: are dead.
Speaker 7: Hillary, Well, Kelly, she's talking about, well, this is my
Speaker 7: friend who died, and this is my friend who died.
Speaker 3: And I was like, oh god, I mean, it happened,
Speaker 3: It happened.
Speaker 5: My friend Kelly was she was She was like, we
Speaker 5: were talking about when certain people were going to die,
Speaker 5: that you know, might die, that maybe we're just selected.
Speaker 5: And we were talking just like loosely about that, and
Speaker 5: she was just some theory, you know, just how that
Speaker 5: might go. And she was saying, she was like the
Speaker 5: people who feel died more right.
Speaker 2: No, no, no, some someone was saying this, like people
Speaker 2: were that disgusting. Tend to live so.
Speaker 6: Long, guys, I know, because they don't. They're not trouble.
Speaker 5: They don't get cancer from being sad.
Speaker 3: The point I was making earlier, I'm a little self
Speaker 3: conscious about because it's not really what I believe about
Speaker 3: celebrities and the celebrity endorsement of it all.
Speaker 2: No said that.
Speaker 3: What I'm talking about it is like standing up for
Speaker 3: issues is important, and I think standing up for women
Speaker 3: is important. I just think all of that is important.
Speaker 3: What I'm saying is, though, when a celebrity is at
Speaker 3: a certain privilege level, are some people are not listening
Speaker 3: and they feel patronized for it, And I think there's
Speaker 3: something to learn from that match in maybe how comfortable
Speaker 3: we all felt.
Speaker 5: No listen, I want to say, my husband just he's
Speaker 5: an advertising but he just did this huge research project
Speaker 5: on the heartland because he also feels as as we
Speaker 5: all do. I think correctly that many people in rural
Speaker 5: America feel patronized and they that is an understandable point
Speaker 5: of view. That is I think very real, and it
Speaker 5: is incumbent upon us to find common ground when people
Speaker 5: feel that marginalized.
Speaker 6: Right, And what's.
Speaker 5: Interesting is that this is common ground that he discovered.
Speaker 5: First of all, community is really important in rural America.
Speaker 5: That was like the number one thing. Your community is
Speaker 5: almost more important than yeah, other things. And the second
Speaker 5: is making and doing, which was really really interesting in
Speaker 5: the research. So we may be making and putting on
Speaker 5: you know, putting on a show or whatever, like putting
Speaker 5: on our wigs and you know, getting a barn together decoratively.
Speaker 5: But it's funny because Martha story bringing back to her
Speaker 5: one of the reasons she appeals is making and doing.
Speaker 5: There's like a lot of time spent with sort of
Speaker 5: crafts and taking care of your property and taking care
Speaker 5: of your car and sort of mechanical.
Speaker 6: Uses of your time.
Speaker 5: Literally, But what we have in common with that is
Speaker 5: we also make things. That's what we do. And so
Speaker 5: somehow finding the way to communicate the two of those things,
Speaker 5: so it's not just arrogant, fucking didactic entertainment, and it's
Speaker 5: not just like you know, mud races. Like there's got
Speaker 5: to be somewhere where those two things do overlaps lately,
Speaker 5: and it doesn't have to be as divisive as it.
Speaker 2: Is exactly, you know, exactly, because a lot of the
Speaker 2: messaging might have been left like be more like us, yes, exactly.
Speaker 2: There's there's a level of disdain that's implied, yes, completely,
Speaker 2: and there's there's something about like redistributing respectors.
Speaker 5: It's really hard so hard. It's hard when you don't
Speaker 5: feel respected. You know, it's understandable as a gay person
Speaker 5: in America or as an ethnic woman in the eighties. Yeah,
Speaker 5: I have a flat iron my head.
Speaker 2: See me.
Speaker 3: Yes, But I mean so, I know, I know, I know.
Speaker 5: Let's talk about Disney.
Speaker 2: Yes, Disney our listeners. I hate Disney users.
Speaker 5: I'm so well, we're gonna hopefully go December, I'll tell you,
Speaker 5: But no, because I there's this one thing that I
Speaker 5: have done over the years that is so incredible.
Speaker 2: Which I'm we all type that off. What is it?
Speaker 2: Just that candle light?
Speaker 5: Professional? Have you heard?
Speaker 2: You've done it?
Speaker 5: I've done it.
Speaker 2: Wow, that's what I'm dreams. I want to you. Absolutely,
Speaker 2: you have to do it.
Speaker 5: First of all, like I said, not a religious person,
Speaker 5: but boy, does Jesus flow through me when I do that,
Speaker 5: Because there are three hundred and fifty voices behind you.
Speaker 5: Your spine shakes from the base of the singers. There
Speaker 5: are fifty six pieces in that orchestra. With those Disney arrangements,
Speaker 5: there were eight heralding trumpets. It is so spectacularly magnificent.
Speaker 5: Can you read the story of Christmas? And it's very
Speaker 5: hard not to cry.
Speaker 2: Yes, that's beautiful. This is it like like there's no
Speaker 2: church anymore, but like what needs to be replaced is
Speaker 2: like meaning and that's oh my god.
Speaker 5: And also a big part of the meaning is the
Speaker 5: fact that my family gets the guide the whole time
Speaker 5: that I'm there.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, that's huge, very meaningful. Shout out to r
Speaker 3: VIP guy, Matt, Will.
Speaker 7: Sam, do you have I've met I have Sam too, Sam, Sam,
Speaker 7: Astina and Mariah car Right, but then Matt is Matt
Speaker 7: was like spit out of like a Disney sort of
Speaker 7: three D printer.
Speaker 2: Right, so we're talking about the same person.
Speaker 6: He's the most lovely guy.
Speaker 2: Yes, yes, this guy is great.
Speaker 5: He's delightful. Love Do you take in a show when
Speaker 5: you go to Disney? I like to take in a
Speaker 5: show just to cool my jets.
Speaker 2: What do you mean taking a show? Like taking a show? Yeah,
Speaker 2: I'll sit down and enjoy that year's Beauty and the
Speaker 2: Beast or whatever. What did we see?
Speaker 3: Did we go into the Frozen show? I think we
Speaker 3: stayed till let it go and left?
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah that's fair.
Speaker 5: I mean Aladdin, nice little forty five minutes.
Speaker 2: Yeah, fantastic.
Speaker 5: I mean I enjoyed taking in a show for a
Speaker 5: break because it's often air conditioned.
Speaker 2: Of course that's.
Speaker 5: The thing, and you can settle in. Yeah, and what's
Speaker 5: your favorite place to wait?
Speaker 1: You like?
Speaker 5: Do you like well, disney World or Disneyland?
Speaker 2: I love, I love World, I love Tiffins in Kingdom
Speaker 2: Animal Kingdom. I haven't been.
Speaker 5: It's good, No, so Jeventina turned us onto the Cars One.
Speaker 6: Do you ever go to the not Cars World? Do
Speaker 6: you ever go to the.
Speaker 2: Old timey in Frontier Land?
Speaker 6: Feet sci fi movie?
Speaker 2: Yes?
Speaker 5: Also really good for again, I'll lot of our thoughts
Speaker 5: are around the kids. Yeah, my kids are old now,
Speaker 5: but early on these taking a show and sitting in
Speaker 5: the drive and those are like, it's hot, everybody's over stimulated.
Speaker 2: Let's sit in the dark for a few minutes. Yes,
Speaker 2: that's important.
Speaker 3: Where we went for lunch this last time was the
Speaker 3: Space Restaurant.
Speaker 2: Remember that. Oh that's Mission Space. But it's it's like
Speaker 2: the pretend you're I think it was booked. When we
Speaker 2: were there, we tried to get in. It's kind of goofy,
Speaker 2: but it was good. But it's fine.
Speaker 6: I do o g Blue Bayou.
Speaker 2: So you can have a cocktail. Goddamn it. I mean,
Speaker 2: why not.
Speaker 5: Yeah, you might blow in the dark.
Speaker 2: It might just might just might be too sweet.
Speaker 3: That's the thing is, like, now, whatever I go drink there,
Speaker 3: I always drink beer because.
Speaker 5: Everything is so now and now you're in your sugar
Speaker 5: watching time, yes, but also times sweet cocktails like it's
Speaker 5: really tough.
Speaker 2: Like you can get wine over in California Adventure. You
Speaker 2: sure can't.
Speaker 6: So your listeners are tired of hearing it anyway.
Speaker 5: Well, so we have it's game in my family. It's
Speaker 5: called nervous breakdown job. It's what you're going to do
Speaker 5: after your nervous breakdown. Well, mine is going to be
Speaker 5: and it's kind of a cheap because it is a
Speaker 5: job at Disney. But we have different versions of it.
Speaker 5: My main one is that I'm going to work at
Speaker 5: Trader Joe's on the Fearless Flyer, where I write up
Speaker 5: reviews of new Trader Dress products.
Speaker 2: That's good.
Speaker 5: But if I have a Disney nervous breakdown and I
Speaker 5: end up in Disney, I'm going to try to audition
Speaker 5: to be the Wicked step Mother Meet and greet lady.
Speaker 5: Oh my god, they're so funny. Those ones are so funny.
Speaker 5: Just yell at people yell at children. It's not unlike
Speaker 5: my character actually in a mattress. My husband's nervous breakdown
Speaker 5: job at Walt Disney World.
Speaker 2: Is he wants to manage.
Speaker 5: He's sorry everybody, He's going to manage the tiny barge
Speaker 5: trip from the.
Speaker 2: Yacht your kid to.
Speaker 5: You.
Speaker 2: They get on in there.
Speaker 6: Like, oh, that's per.
Speaker 2: All aboard. Yeah, you just go right back. He's gonna
Speaker 2: do that all day and find it soothing. You know what.
Speaker 3: The culture that made me say culture for me in
Speaker 3: many regards was this is not Disney, but it was
Speaker 3: Universal Studios, The Jaws ride, the boat, the Skipper. I
Speaker 3: actually am off book on it, and I'm not kidding you.
Speaker 3: I did a show years ago at U S be
Speaker 3: called called a one man show called You Will Get Wet,
Speaker 3: which actually doesn't really qualify as where my character's biggest
Speaker 3: dream was to be that Jaws and Bowen Yang played
Speaker 3: the Shark.
Speaker 2: And I see where this is going your future career.
Speaker 3: I staged the ride and there was I did in
Speaker 3: the basement at Chelsea. Actually is there is a YouTube
Speaker 3: video of it. I don't know if it's taking it down.
Speaker 2: That sounds fantastic. It was good it was good. Shannon
Speaker 2: O'Neill did not get me a ride, but it was
Speaker 2: an excellent show. It was almost honestly, one of these days.
Speaker 2: Is it a great title? You will get wet.
Speaker 5: Yes, it's really good.
Speaker 2: I'm gonna use it for something else.
Speaker 5: Listen, there's gonn a lot of Disney times in the
Speaker 5: coming years for a lot of America.
Speaker 2: They say, drop their prices because it's very extensive.
Speaker 3: Can I say this is a thing though, It's like,
Speaker 3: after the result came in, I was like, you know,
Speaker 3: it's the separation of wealth because families can't even go
Speaker 3: to Disney.
Speaker 2: You're absolutely right, Like that's what it is.
Speaker 5: Is.
Speaker 3: It's like we talk about the separation of wealth, we
Speaker 3: talk about wealth inequality at Naustium, and then it's like
Speaker 3: the Democratic Party decides to put someone up who doesn't
Speaker 3: make that a forefront issue at least enough for people,
Speaker 3: and we're surprised. I mean, the separation of wealth is
Speaker 3: the number one thing that we have to fix. Money
Speaker 3: has to come.
Speaker 2: Out of politics and needs to be some redistribution, like
Speaker 2: I mean a billion dollars, it's crazy.
Speaker 3: And meanwhile, this like whatever I'm just saying, it's like
Speaker 3: you talk about these things, and then it is sad
Speaker 3: because families can't experience it anymore.
Speaker 5: That's ridiculous. Yeah, then why don't we start a fund.
Speaker 5: Maybe I was going to start a community college fund.
Speaker 2: But you know what, let's start a fun Disney fun
Speaker 2: for everybody.
Speaker 5: It's for the community.
Speaker 2: It's just not everybody gets a guide. Everybody gets everybody.
Speaker 2: But honestly, I should be a guide. I really should
Speaker 2: be a good nervous break down job for you. No,
Speaker 2: get your.
Speaker 4: Steps, perfect steps.
Speaker 2: My nervous breakdown job. So when you get a guide,
Speaker 2: when you arrive at each park, yes, there's someone waiting
Speaker 2: there with a wicker train full of like Laura bars,
Speaker 2: looking at bars, and I want to hold that tray.
Speaker 5: You know what people don't they really want to do
Speaker 5: because when they okay, this is cutting deep. But when
Speaker 5: they give you the guide for Candlelight professional, they give
Speaker 5: you VIP housing. So that housing is unbelievable. Okay, So
Speaker 5: we stay in like yacht club, or we stayed in
Speaker 5: like the Polynesian in the apartment where the Beatles broke up,
Speaker 5: where there's.
Speaker 2: Broke up with Disney World. I know, go figure. Well,
Speaker 2: John Lennon was there with his family. Anybody was like dang,
Speaker 2: I love.
Speaker 5: It was like I'll fuck it, I'm out and uh
Speaker 5: but in the nice like fancy, you know, like there's
Speaker 5: club levels or hotels, so they have and my family
Speaker 5: always gets so excited about this because you'll have like
Speaker 5: a little breakfast spread, not a big one, because it's
Speaker 5: like the club level. Like you you're still expected to
Speaker 5: go to breakfast, but there's some like you know, a
Speaker 5: little lic croissants and whatever, and they come out throughout
Speaker 5: the day and it always it tells you the times
Speaker 5: of the day. And every time my husband's like, oh,
Speaker 5: the desserts and cordials out yet excited were like, let's
Speaker 5: check out the desserts and cordials.
Speaker 2: Like we're always gonning.
Speaker 3: You were doing a service, a candlelight, professional service, and
Speaker 3: you deserved all those.
Speaker 2: I want to Christmas season, damn it. I want to
Speaker 2: eat fresh fruit with y'all in the morning.
Speaker 5: You bet you can come. We always have extra beds.
Speaker 6: I haven't done it for a long time, I.
Speaker 5: Believe me.
Speaker 2: Every year next to next week we went.
Speaker 5: During COVID and we all discovered we had COVID the
Speaker 5: last morning because obviously we got it because it was
Speaker 5: Florida's nobody is masked. It was like that weird little
Speaker 5: omicron break, Okay, And as we landed at Orlando, I
Speaker 5: received three calls from the Department of Health and my son.
Speaker 6: Was like, have you been.
Speaker 2: Around a lot of Florida people?
Speaker 5: And then literally everybody in Florida no mask nearry a
Speaker 5: mask to be found. And then the last morning and
Speaker 5: my mom, my old mom had shared a room.
Speaker 6: I mean, granted it was a big Disney.
Speaker 5: Room, so it was like between two Queen's size beds
Speaker 5: and he was in one of Literally my mom from
Speaker 5: the other room, She's like, what is two lines? Met?
Speaker 2: I was like, can you imagine they're like all these
Speaker 2: public health officials taking sewage water from the oral land Sam.
Speaker 6: I was like, sam, my man, were a mask.
Speaker 2: We're sorry, we're down bad.
Speaker 5: But also it was I and I'm not a good person.
Speaker 5: I got on a plane, I double masked. Everybody was like,
Speaker 5: no one even on the plane had a mask.
Speaker 2: I was like, we're going home.
Speaker 5: I'm not going to spend a week at Disney quarantine
Speaker 5: with a child.
Speaker 6: We double masked and we got home.
Speaker 3: We also we were also on vacation. Then we got
Speaker 3: we got COVID, Well you had just had COVID, yes,
Speaker 3: I we thought we were in the clear. And then
Speaker 3: I got COVID normally in Mexico City. Oh yeah, lonely.
Speaker 3: And it was crazy because I was a hotel, well
Speaker 3: in a hotel in Mexico City, and I was starting
Speaker 3: to feel a little weird, Like two hours.
Speaker 2: Before we had to get on the plane.
Speaker 3: Was this early or I took a test and it
Speaker 3: was like and it said I was negative, But I
Speaker 3: was starting to feel word so I like triple masted
Speaker 3: it and I got on the plane and I went
Speaker 3: and but.
Speaker 2: You weren't sure what you weren't sure if it was
Speaker 2: like like a water that you drank or something.
Speaker 3: It was it could have been anything. And so I
Speaker 3: was like, I'm going to test and it said I
Speaker 3: was negative, masked up, got on the plane because then
Speaker 3: what was I going to do?
Speaker 2: Like be I would have had to be there for I.
Speaker 5: Think a lot of people did that and that is
Speaker 5: why we had an epidemic. Anyway, You're right, ever heard
Speaker 5: of patient zero?
Speaker 2: That little girl was me keeping it light? Special?
Speaker 1: How were youst election special title?
Speaker 5: How does it feel to be on the post election special,
Speaker 5: really painful, but happy.
Speaker 3: It's harmful. This is I don't think so honey. This
Speaker 3: is our segment where we take one minute rant and
Speaker 3: or ail like something in culture that we don't love. U.
Speaker 2: Do you have something, you'll go first? I do have something.
Speaker 2: I do have something. Okay, this is Matt Rogers. We
Speaker 2: all have something very good. This is Matt Rogers. I
Speaker 2: don't think so many time starts now.
Speaker 3: I don't think so, honey. So the Beatles song, the
Speaker 3: new Song Now and Then is nominated for Record of
Speaker 3: the Year, and the way that they got John Lennon's
Speaker 3: voice on it is by AI ing his voice out,
Speaker 3: Like they had to bring his voice out, so they used.
Speaker 2: AI on it to make it a real vocal. I
Speaker 2: don't think so, honey.
Speaker 3: I don't think so honey. The AI like recreation of
Speaker 3: people that have been long dead. He's been dead for
Speaker 3: forty plus years.
Speaker 2: I don't think so honey.
Speaker 3: The Whitney Houston holographic, I don't thinkgraphic. These people actually
Speaker 3: can't consent to releasing music. And this is not just
Speaker 3: John Lennon, This is Olsho, George Harrison, and I get that.
Speaker 3: His wife says, you know George would have been on
Speaker 3: board for this.
Speaker 2: I don't know what Yoko.
Speaker 3: Is saying, but I don't think so, honey, if I
Speaker 3: ever died, No AI lost coachstas I'm telling you, I
Speaker 3: don't care what how much money Bowen Yang needs because
Speaker 3: he's talking about pivoting to holding a wicker tray at Disney.
Speaker 3: I don't care how sound his career goes. No AI
Speaker 3: lost coach after I Am Dead. No AI beatles song now,
Speaker 3: especially not nominy for Rucker of the Year at the Grammys.
Speaker 3: Where was Ariana Grande.
Speaker 2: And that's where was already and that's one minute, No way,
Speaker 2: especially if it's gonna like suck up all the power
Speaker 2: that could be used to, you know, power a small town.
Speaker 3: That's another thing is like how harmful AI was for
Speaker 3: the I'm really glad to cool down all.
Speaker 6: The whatever I never got hold at that or AI voicing.
Speaker 2: As part of it. Now now it's all kind of
Speaker 2: blending together. It's like anything generative is AI. But for
Speaker 2: anything AI, it has to be derivative by default too,
Speaker 2: So it's like, I don't know, weirdly I'm like about
Speaker 2: it because I'm like, it will always be derivative. By
Speaker 2: definition correct, that's correct, and so I'm like.
Speaker 5: Right, as a comedian, that's such a like a weird
Speaker 5: sort of almost constitutional stance. You know, what's the word constitutional?
Speaker 5: I don't know, I mad is it constitutional? Like you
Speaker 5: have to take a big ship after.
Speaker 2: Constitution?
Speaker 6: People say, like, let's take a constitutional they mean like.
Speaker 2: The gentle take ships together and communal constitutional.
Speaker 5: Comedians don't like people who copy them.
Speaker 2: There you go, there I go. There's like, no, there's
Speaker 2: it's so trunchent that we've done that. There's no worst thing.
Speaker 2: I don't know the AI of it all, like know
Speaker 2: what that?
Speaker 3: Because now I get really wary of people that are like, yeah,
Speaker 3: but about AI.
Speaker 2: I'm like, I don't think so.
Speaker 6: I mean maybe, okay, oops, I just did it.
Speaker 5: But medical research or like quick research, isn't that just
Speaker 5: like a computer. I'm just like, yeah, I don't want
Speaker 5: to I don't want an AI operation, but I wouldn't
Speaker 5: mind somebody saying this cancer cure is this effective.
Speaker 2: Based on your your vitals? Like absolutely, I'm just thinking
Speaker 2: like the everyday uses of it. People are still trying
Speaker 2: to figure out even apples kind of like you can
Speaker 2: write your emails with it. But I know how to
Speaker 2: I know totally. We need to stigmatize this idea, like
Speaker 2: if you need AI to write an imail for you,
Speaker 2: that fucked.
Speaker 5: I mean, by the way, Yeah, whatever happened to like
Speaker 5: plagiarism being bad?
Speaker 2: Like no, you can't, truly you can't.
Speaker 5: Why I was get in trouble for reading cliff notes
Speaker 5: back in the day, it's the same idea.
Speaker 2: I'm just not afread the book.
Speaker 3: I'm not a fan of anything that, like if we
Speaker 3: participate in it to an extent, makes us lazier and dummer.
Speaker 2: Correct, you know what I'm saying. It's by the way,
Speaker 2: and that's like the Google maps of it all. I
Speaker 2: don't know if you ever do this, but you turn
Speaker 2: it off every.
Speaker 5: Blue moon and try to go somewhere, can't It's well Also,
Speaker 5: it's a really important piece of your the navigational piece
Speaker 5: of your brain affects other things you do in life.
Speaker 5: So if you don't want to just turn into a
Speaker 5: total you know, yeah, like in La every blue moon,
Speaker 5: I will just not. It's so instinctive to just plug
Speaker 5: it in if I'm driving, Like right, I'm not how
Speaker 5: to drive there.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I haven't even thought about it.
Speaker 3: That like just allowing myself, allowing myself to have enough
Speaker 3: respect for my.
Speaker 2: Navigation exactly, because otherwise you do feel like a soul
Speaker 2: adrift in space. And it's like you're just being told
Speaker 2: to go easy.
Speaker 5: It's like a bad like Blade Runner movie, where we
Speaker 5: could all just be programmed to drive to the same
Speaker 5: place to be bombed. Yeah, and.
Speaker 2: Don't spring in the clown. I'm asked to leave that
Speaker 2: you finally went.
Speaker 6: Bring blade run up and Google maps and a bomb.
Speaker 2: My god is Bowen Yang? Don't you have anything you
Speaker 2: want to do? You want to rail? Yeah?
Speaker 3: Okay, this is Bowen Yang's I don't think so, honey.
Speaker 3: His time starts now.
Speaker 2: I don't think so, honey. Putting little stickers over the
Speaker 2: hole in coffee cups that you're supposed to drink out
Speaker 2: of because I got to take the sticker off, and
Speaker 2: guess what. Now I'm drinking sticker juice instead of coffee,
Speaker 2: and now my lips are sticking together, and I go, no,
Speaker 2: I just want to enjoy my iced black coffee. That's it.
Speaker 2: I'm not asking for much. I just want iced coffee
Speaker 2: in a cup. And I understand that it's to prevent spillage.
Speaker 2: And now you understand that you're taping over the bag
Speaker 2: so that there's no tampering and it's all security theater.
Speaker 2: But sometimes I just without all this literally all this
Speaker 2: red tape or this white circle of tape over my
Speaker 2: drink hole. I just want an unencumbered drink hoole so
Speaker 2: I can sip sip, sip, suck, suck, suck, guzzle, guzzle,
Speaker 2: guzzle the caffeine into my system because I need it
Speaker 2: to get through this damn day, in this damn year,
Speaker 2: of this damn world. Get the sticker in the adhesive
Speaker 2: off my coffee, otherwise I'll be drinking moxy, for God's
Speaker 2: sakes when I just want a gorgeous cup of dunkin Donuts.
Speaker 2: That's one minute, good timing. That was great.
Speaker 3: I will also say you said so many words and
Speaker 3: didn't even touch on what I think is the most
Speaker 3: annoying part, which is when you have to peel THEI
Speaker 3: you have stickery fingering on this part of your fingers,
Speaker 3: very bad.
Speaker 5: See gravity, This is higher why we don't need it.
Speaker 6: Don't much of the top.
Speaker 2: It's only spilling. Let me paint, yeah, which is a.
Speaker 6: Peeve of mine.
Speaker 5: It's only spilling if the fucker filled it too hot,
Speaker 5: right right, so that is coming out the side off
Speaker 5: the top. I blame that little culturehead.
Speaker 3: Lidle culture is in a state of disarray, like no
Speaker 3: one can figure out what lid to put on anything like.
Speaker 3: And sometimes it's like you go to a certain coffee
Speaker 3: place because you know they're not going crazy where.
Speaker 2: Live, they'll have changed, like I don't know you when
Speaker 2: I take it back.
Speaker 5: I love a barista, and I have the thoughts.
Speaker 6: And I really love I love coffee.
Speaker 5: I love coffee so much that I've actually had this thought,
Speaker 5: I'm not proud if I went to prison, I'd be
Speaker 5: super sad because the coffee situation would be so bad.
Speaker 2: Wait wait, wait, wait wait, what is the coffee situation?
Speaker 2: I'm sure it's not existent. It's not great.
Speaker 5: So I love I will never I didn't give it
Speaker 5: up when I was pregnant. I didn't give it up.
Speaker 2: I will never, ever ever give up coffee. Should we
Speaker 2: start a fund for prison coffee? Yes? What would it
Speaker 2: be called?
Speaker 5: Doesn't it sound terrible?
Speaker 2: It doesn't sound good? No? What would Joe? Behind bars?
Speaker 2: Behind bars? Bruis behind bars? Why is my brain going?
Speaker 2: And we did it Joe, we really did it. We
Speaker 2: didn't do it. We didn't do it Joe at all.
Speaker 2: We didn't Joe did over. It is over over? Well,
Speaker 2: what's because Joe? Now? Are you ready? Because the moment? Okay, okay,
Speaker 2: this is on a gas Stars. I don't think so
Speaker 2: any her time.
Speaker 5: Starts this is what what are we starting to?
Speaker 2: Time starts next, Oh, Kelly's gonna pass. Time starts next
Speaker 2: commercial break. This is on a goth Stars. I don't
Speaker 2: think so many her time starts now.
Speaker 5: Okay, so my I don't think so. Honey is about
Speaker 5: TikToker POV video instagrams. Nobody understands that it has to
Speaker 5: be an actual point of view that is something new.
Speaker 5: So here's what it has to be a new take.
Speaker 5: It has to be observational. It has to be something
Speaker 5: that I haven't thought of, that's a witty use of humor.
Speaker 5: For example, I just saw one that was POV you
Speaker 5: get to the airport, find your gate pee, and get
Speaker 5: a snack.
Speaker 2: That's not a POV.
Speaker 5: That is just going to the airport and doing what
Speaker 5: people do when you go to the airport. There's no
Speaker 5: pithy observation therein that's not Oh, my god, my dad
Speaker 5: got a dog.
Speaker 2: He didn't want it, and now he's carrying it around
Speaker 2: at a baby born.
Speaker 6: I get it.
Speaker 2: That's a POV.
Speaker 5: That's funny. What's not a POV is POV? I took
Speaker 5: a shower before I.
Speaker 2: Went to work. What's wrong with people?
Speaker 5: You have to have some kind of a take. And
Speaker 5: if you're not doing that, you know what, put your
Speaker 5: phone down and go to the airport and get.
Speaker 2: A magazine and piss and get on your plane. And
Speaker 2: if you open up Google Maps, you're dead. And that's
Speaker 2: one minute. You know.
Speaker 3: I hate to break it to you, but I think
Speaker 3: that they know this and willfully aren't doing it because.
Speaker 2: I'll be shocked when I work your phone.
Speaker 5: Then just live your life for four seconds, just being
Speaker 5: a human.
Speaker 3: I guess the thing is, though, they're more interested in
Speaker 3: virality than humanness.
Speaker 5: Who is going to like or comment on pov?
Speaker 2: You find your gate and get a sandwich.
Speaker 3: So many people. I'm telling you, it's like when I
Speaker 3: have worked with social media people. If I had to
Speaker 3: do like a TikTok or something for my album, I'll
Speaker 3: be shocked. Sometimes when you realize what's trending, it's like, hey,
Speaker 3: so you have to walk from here to here, and this.
Speaker 5: Song is you got on the elevator.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but literally it's like noo nailing a letter.
Speaker 2: The appetite is for every day of mundanity.
Speaker 5: Well that's fine at least if you're gonna be pithy
Speaker 5: about it, like I don't mind mind something that's like I.
Speaker 2: Don't know something new or observational like that.
Speaker 5: It's it's that's the Seinfeldian moment of it all, like
Speaker 5: like oh my god, you know.
Speaker 2: But the POV thing is even so stupid because they
Speaker 2: don't understand what povy stands for. No from the first
Speaker 2: person point of view at all. It's just like PUV,
Speaker 2: I'm going to the airport and then they're in the frame.
Speaker 2: I mean that that's what these kids are doing too.
Speaker 4: Right right, and I I don't at the airport and
Speaker 4: it's them POV, POV me with my friend, POV, I'm
Speaker 4: hanging out with my friend.
Speaker 2: Friend isn't there again? I'm just like, I don't mind.
Speaker 5: I really you have to develop some semblance an observer
Speaker 5: if this is supposed to be funny or engaging in
Speaker 5: any way, like this.
Speaker 2: Is my almost like I'm gonna say, like boom er take,
Speaker 2: which is like, oh, language is breaking down, like no one,
Speaker 2: no one knows how to communicate with each other and
Speaker 2: therefore and here we are.
Speaker 5: I'm mean, but that's also like secondary all all of
Speaker 5: the applification I mean of life. Yeah, exactly, like you're
Speaker 5: early on tried to like address phone usage with our
Speaker 5: kids or whatever, and everybody was the only way they
Speaker 5: communicate is to take and picture of themselves on snap
Speaker 5: and send it to one another now it or otherwise.
Speaker 5: But it's just even like if there's courtship ritual and
Speaker 5: my sixteen year old, you're right, absolutely right, my sixteen
Speaker 5: year old.
Speaker 2: Just like you'll see him do that and you're like,
Speaker 2: who what are you doing?
Speaker 5: Say, oh, I just snap, I have something my friends,
Speaker 5: Like there's no there's no ham at a restaurant with
Speaker 5: my folks, or like there's no even texting is one
Speaker 5: iteration to boring and f loaded for them.
Speaker 2: It's this, This has infiltrated being at dinner with your
Speaker 2: with your family, like nothing is correct.
Speaker 6: But also this is why we are where we are.
Speaker 2: We are sheep totally.
Speaker 3: Did you see that Australia wants to do a ban
Speaker 3: on social media until the kids are sixteen.
Speaker 5: Well, I think it's actually well what this boring is
Speaker 5: talking about to our audience, But I mean, I actually
Speaker 5: think it's coming.
Speaker 6: I do.
Speaker 5: I do believe the tide is turning because that is
Speaker 5: actually a Purple State issue. People across the board are
Speaker 5: understanding the attention spans. Aren't you know, just screaming all now,
Speaker 5: what is a third election that we're just screaming at Facebook?
Speaker 5: Like that's all we're doing, so, you know, into Instagram
Speaker 5: or none of us are actually engaging or having conversations
Speaker 5: that are face to face, are human to human and
Speaker 5: it's not going to get any better.
Speaker 3: Or with anyone that would challenge an opinion that you
Speaker 3: may have. I mean that's I watched AOC's Live, Like
Speaker 3: the day or two after the election is.
Speaker 5: The chandelier day, crashing chandelier, the market.
Speaker 3: Again, the big pull, she said. She was like, sectarianism
Speaker 3: has to stop. Like that's why I'm so kind of
Speaker 3: blown away by people being like, unfollow this person, if
Speaker 3: you follow me on your I'm like, I understand where
Speaker 3: this comes from. But if you can't see the forest
Speaker 3: for the trees, that this is the problem. The fact
Speaker 3: that we were so shocked that it went that way.
Speaker 3: If you were shocked like that is because we are
Speaker 3: siloed off of us from one another. And if we
Speaker 3: want to be a country, which I think is a question,
Speaker 3: it seems like if we want to be a country,
Speaker 3: we cannot silo off.
Speaker 5: We're in like an algorithmic echo chamber, all of us,
Speaker 5: you know, except her to pop out and troll people.
Speaker 5: That's literally it, right, not me, No, never, you aren't
Speaker 5: told or you don't troll.
Speaker 2: I'm not in an echo chamber. Oh really? Yeah? He
Speaker 2: has incredible outside honey, Okay, that's not indoors that I love.
Speaker 5: And you you power down for forty eight hours every
Speaker 5: every week, right, just for your mental health.
Speaker 2: I'm looking at maps. He reaches across the school.
Speaker 5: I know, I know, but I mean even those little everybody,
Speaker 5: we're all addicts.
Speaker 2: World thoughts. Something on the Martha Stewart doc. Oh my god,
Speaker 2: I loved it.
Speaker 6: I love actually I love her.
Speaker 2: I think be great on the show.
Speaker 5: She would be great on this show. She, especially in
Speaker 5: her sixth chapter, is extraordinarily enjoying all the things she's
Speaker 5: been through, and she's letting herself soften. I mean, I've
Speaker 5: known her now, yeahsh my impersonation was thirty years ago
Speaker 5: or twenty eight or whatever.
Speaker 6: And she always been a great.
Speaker 2: Sport and all that, Jimmy Carter, but she's been.
Speaker 5: Jimmy Carter even though she's not like a terrifically funny person.
Speaker 5: But she's very easy, she understood, a good business person.
Speaker 5: But mostly I have to say, this is my fifth chapter.
Speaker 5: Take on her eighth chapter.
Speaker 2: Sixth chapter? Is that my third chapter take on her
Speaker 2: fifth chapter? Right?
Speaker 5: Is that she really is like I don't know, there's
Speaker 5: something to be said for this, like old people wisdom,
Speaker 5: like you get your heart broken a lot in a life,
Speaker 5: and she kind of buckles down. I love that whole
Speaker 5: thing that she says about, like I don't want to
Speaker 5: deal with feelings all the time, Like I just I
Speaker 5: like guys that do stuff. I want to go places,
Speaker 5: I want to take in the world. Her boyfriend charles
Speaker 5: that she had for a while, she's just a doer,
Speaker 5: like we would do stuff, And I get that there's
Speaker 5: so many I do. Of course, I validate feelings, and
Speaker 5: I of course I want but there is a point
Speaker 5: at which we have to get up and put our
Speaker 5: shoes on and not pov we're at the airport, but
Speaker 5: rather just go get the sandwich NP and like have
Speaker 5: plans and do things and water the garden and make
Speaker 5: a party and invite your friends over. And I don't know,
Speaker 5: there's just something very granted she lives deeply within privilege,
Speaker 5: but she I love that. She's just that she doesn't
Speaker 5: sleep at all. That's a true thing about it. I
Speaker 5: know her assistant, that's really true. She's never All her
Speaker 5: businesses were born of insomnia. That was early on. And
Speaker 5: the fact that she was doing crafts with those ladies
Speaker 5: in the prison and like growing working on the garden,
Speaker 5: and like she just is a doer.
Speaker 2: And there's something deeply inspirational to me about that. That
Speaker 2: garden thing is what kind of cracked something open for me,
Speaker 2: where she was like, if you want to be married
Speaker 2: for a year, do you want to be happy for year?
Speaker 2: Get married. If you want to be happy for a
Speaker 2: decade a dog, get a dog. You want to be
Speaker 2: happy for a lifetime, get a garden, plant, guard plant,
Speaker 2: a garden. And I'm like, oh, that's it. Yeah, there
Speaker 2: any kind of garden, any size. You just have to
Speaker 2: do something, yeah, exactly, literally, Yeah, mold the earth with your.
Speaker 5: Hands, and she's doing that every day in different ways.
Speaker 5: I mean, and she's endlessly creative from a business standpoint.
Speaker 5: But also let's just say, oh, g feminist because she
Speaker 5: turned domestication on its ears and became a billionaire. Yeah,
Speaker 5: she took she somehow understood Purple State. Early on, people
Speaker 5: were very shitty, including me on SNL about her selling
Speaker 5: that brand to Kmart, and she was like, why wouldn't
Speaker 5: people at kmart want nice things?
Speaker 2: And it's she just she would say that I like Letterman, Yeah,
Speaker 2: it's yeah, makes total sense. I love that.
Speaker 5: I love that she you know again, I mean it's insane,
Speaker 5: like when you look at like, whatever, let's have cornish
Speaker 5: hens for one hundred and that catering company, it was insane.
Speaker 2: It was totally insane. I mean like, you know, you're
Speaker 2: just looking at her stuff like what that's impossible.
Speaker 6: She was just making it happen. And then she was like,
Speaker 6: this is a business.
Speaker 2: This is a business.
Speaker 5: And she's been very open minded about lots and types
Speaker 5: of all kinds of people across our you know, culture.
Speaker 5: I think she's great.
Speaker 2: I didn't realize that Andy Steel, her husband was was
Speaker 2: a cheating was so like that but then that story
Speaker 2: about her in the cathedral. I know, so beautiful, so beautiful,
Speaker 2: but I was so random. She's like I got so
Speaker 2: overwhelmed by being in a cathedral that I made out
Speaker 2: with an Italian story. That's such a gay guy thing.
Speaker 2: It really was.
Speaker 6: It was deeply relatable.
Speaker 5: It wasn't cheating.
Speaker 2: I was like, is it you can't judge yourself what
Speaker 2: everybody's got in that space? Everybody's God.
Speaker 5: And that's what she really is. She's like an instrument.
Speaker 2: Of beauty, Like she loves beautiful.
Speaker 5: Things and she wants everyone to experience. I mean, and
Speaker 5: they are like I don't know, like there's a big
Speaker 5: part of me. It's like it's so cheesy, but like
Speaker 5: Paris is my favorite city and like I've gone and
Speaker 5: it's like you have a You're like I just can't
Speaker 5: stand how every single thing here's perfect. I'm so happy,
Speaker 5: Like it's your you vibrate with beauty.
Speaker 2: And it reminds me of the Will and Harper thing
Speaker 2: where at the end, like he gets Harper those earrings
Speaker 2: like it's okay, nice, it's okay to like nice nice.
Speaker 2: That was beautiful, okat like lovely things and I'm like
Speaker 2: and it doesn't have to be the most expensive, Like
Speaker 2: that's what's so cool. Garden there you go plant a garden,
Speaker 2: a planet, garden of flower, a vegetable of fruit, a
Speaker 2: lovely thing that you made.
Speaker 5: I know, and she was so cool when I was
Speaker 5: on Drew, she was so like, I mean, we quote
Speaker 5: unquote surprised her, which I was always like, you again,
Speaker 5: just a nightmare because you know, if not a person
Speaker 5: who loves a surprise.
Speaker 2: And she like, you know I.
Speaker 6: And I'm like sailing in dressed as her.
Speaker 2: And she was so sweet. She's just killing it.
Speaker 5: She kept like grabbing my hand and she was, you know,
Speaker 5: ruining it by talking through the fauna. So much liked me,
Speaker 5: but but it was still like so charming, and she
Speaker 5: hugged me after and her assistant was like, it's so
Speaker 5: great to see you.
Speaker 6: We should do more together. It was just very she
Speaker 6: gets it.
Speaker 5: She's always gotten it totally. We were mean on Saturday
Speaker 5: night and she always got it. Actually everybody on SNL,
Speaker 5: Celine Dion, same thing. So graceful about it, and I,
Speaker 5: you know, well partially I think she thought I had
Speaker 5: a bad voice, which helped. But because she said that
Speaker 5: to me, she was like youoice is so horrible to hear,
Speaker 5: which I was like, this is a language barrier, saying
Speaker 5: I'm gonna choose to believe this is horrible to your
Speaker 5: voice is so horrible to here.
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