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Speaker 3: Oh, thank you man. I appreciate that.
Speaker 2: Great body of work. Man X to the Z exhibit
Speaker 2: is here.
Speaker 3: Welcome sir, thanks for having me.
Speaker 2: Yeah, now this is crazy. Like you just played me
Speaker 2: your album and I just was like wait a minute,
Speaker 2: Like bro, you was like really like locked the fuck in? Uh,
Speaker 2: this album is crazy and it's not. I'm not just
Speaker 2: telling you like this ship is. It's up there with
Speaker 2: your you got to Me, you got three classics. It's
Speaker 2: up there with with with all three of your first
Speaker 2: three albums.
Speaker 3: Thank you man.
Speaker 1: You know when when I when I sat back and
Speaker 1: we talk about this with my circle of friends, we
Speaker 1: talk about the record, and I think the best way
Speaker 1: I can explain it is that I found my voice right.
Speaker 1: Not not the way my voice sounds or the inflection
Speaker 1: or of it. I'm talking about like I know what
Speaker 1: I'm supposed to say, I know how I'm supposed to
Speaker 1: be talking. I know I know what my message is.
Speaker 3: Right.
Speaker 2: It's crazy because you've had like a was your last
Speaker 2: album May Pum Yes, And that was in twenty eleven twelve. Yeah,
Speaker 2: so it's crazy to think, like, in the last twelve years, right,
Speaker 2: you've been known for a lot of things in terms
Speaker 2: of like your entrepreneurial shit. Right, you've been leveling up
Speaker 2: in the weed game, and by the way, put out
Speaker 2: some amazing stuff with the Serial Killers, Yes, Shout to
Speaker 2: Be Real and Deemrick. Yes, the last album you guys
Speaker 2: dropped was fucking crazy yeah album. Yeah, Yes, it's not
Speaker 2: a sam shit that But you know, like was there,
Speaker 2: like you said, you found your voice, Like what was
Speaker 2: the motivation to get you cause you know, I know
Speaker 2: what it's like to own a bunch of businesses and
Speaker 2: have your eye on so many different balls at the
Speaker 2: same time. But it just, like I said, it just
Speaker 2: felt like you were just really like re engaged on
Speaker 2: this album, like in a way that like I haven't
Speaker 2: heard in a long time.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, I think.
Speaker 1: I think how we all deal with different parts of
Speaker 1: our life with stress and and finding other things to
Speaker 1: do and you know, testing the boundaries, and I do that.
Speaker 3: I like to take risks. I like to take.
Speaker 1: Chances, right, you know, film, television, even going into different
Speaker 1: aspects of business. It's a risk, you know, because time
Speaker 1: is the most valuable thing, so you got to spend
Speaker 1: it wisely, right. And so as I'm doing these things
Speaker 1: and I'm you know, going out and venturing out. You
Speaker 1: know when you have that that that thing that you
Speaker 1: want to feel, you know, full, you don't want to avoid,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. And I was feeling avoid
Speaker 1: so and so when I started going back and you know,
Speaker 1: working in the studio again, that's what you know. Actually
Speaker 1: it started when I started with I did a James
Speaker 1: Savage j O Felony. We did a project called James
Speaker 1: Savage and that really got.
Speaker 3: Me going first, and you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: And once I produced that for him, then I started
Speaker 1: like making records for myself again. And then I was like,
Speaker 1: oh oh shit, you know what I'm saying. Like I
Speaker 1: was finding what made me feel solid and feel that void,
Speaker 1: and so I only did records like that. Now we
Speaker 1: have all kinds of you know, we did I don't know,
Speaker 1: we did like fifty.
Speaker 3: Some records for this, for this that, this album.
Speaker 1: Wow, you know what I'm saying, and there, but there's
Speaker 1: eighteen that made it, you know what I'm saying. And
Speaker 1: so I feel really good and strong about everything on
Speaker 1: this record, because I haven't had that before, you know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying, Like, even though I can go back
Speaker 1: to Restless and still hear things that I would have
Speaker 1: did differently.
Speaker 2: Which song did you not like Onrestless? I'm just curious
Speaker 2: which one you would have left off? Was there a
Speaker 2: song that you like listen back that didn't age the greatest?
Speaker 3: No?
Speaker 4: Asking which one is curious because I always wonder, like
Speaker 4: back in the day, right back in the day, when
Speaker 4: you're on a major label, sometimes the label would win
Speaker 4: an argument on a song, you know what I mean,
Speaker 4: Like maybe you were like I would have didn't focus
Speaker 4: that song with the label wanted it on there, right.
Speaker 3: No, I feel like that about different records, but not
Speaker 3: on Restless.
Speaker 2: Yeah, restlessess fucking yeah, I like that one, like one
Speaker 2: of that. I wanted to ask you something I always wondered, right,
Speaker 2: because sometimes like it frustrates me because I'm like a
Speaker 2: fan of your ship from real like at the speed
Speaker 2: of life, like forty days, forty nights, like chamber music,
Speaker 2: recard Molly, like oh my god, like just fucking amazing
Speaker 2: Los Angeles times.
Speaker 3: Of course.
Speaker 2: You become a star, which you know is I feel
Speaker 2: like it's very hard to be a certain level of
Speaker 2: famous and you've achieved that level of fame through a
Speaker 2: show like Pimp My Ride, through doing movies, through doing TV,
Speaker 2: through doing films. But while doing all of that stuff,
Speaker 2: there is like an entire generation of people that strictly
Speaker 2: only associate you with those television shows, and or while
Speaker 2: associating you as a rapper, discount your career as a
Speaker 2: rapper because they just, oh, it's to pit my Ride. Guy.
Speaker 2: Was there ever, like the gift in the cause, I'm
Speaker 2: never gonna call being on pim My Ride a curse
Speaker 2: because that changed your life, right, But what was the
Speaker 2: fame and the success of the other stuff in front
Speaker 2: of the camera. Did it take a hit like on
Speaker 2: the MU like, did it?
Speaker 3: Did it?
Speaker 2: Did it affect the music stuff in a negative way
Speaker 2: at all?
Speaker 3: Well?
Speaker 2: I was the first, the first, right, because we didn't
Speaker 2: have a TI reality show.
Speaker 1: We had nobody is okay, so let's start. Let's start there.
Speaker 1: I was the first, so we didn't know at the
Speaker 1: time what you know twenty some years later was going
Speaker 1: to look like. So being the first, there was a
Speaker 1: lot of risk versus reward, you know what I'm saying
Speaker 1: I was too close to it in the beginning. But
Speaker 1: as you know, now I look back and I can understand,
Speaker 1: like this made me a global brand. This made me
Speaker 1: somewhere where I can be. You know, the people who
Speaker 1: don't even know I do music, they they know me, right,
Speaker 1: and that's something to start with, right, And so when
Speaker 1: then you look at you know, Okay, so now everybody
Speaker 1: that's in music is doing something other than music in
Speaker 1: order to.
Speaker 2: Just everybody to get everybody's got their side quest to.
Speaker 1: Get it, to get the you know, use the music
Speaker 1: as a backdroper and then be able to you know,
Speaker 1: like put them put theirselves out, put themselves out there.
Speaker 1: So I think that you know, the people that try
Speaker 1: to dismiss the music because of the show, I don't know.
Speaker 1: Everybody is entitled to their opinion.
Speaker 2: But was that something that you would like notice was
Speaker 2: happening at the time, like once the show really popped off, Like.
Speaker 1: No, it definitely bothered me, you know what I'm saying,
Speaker 1: because I was too close to it. Like I said,
Speaker 1: I wanted people to know me for one thing, but
Speaker 1: then you know, they they recognized me and know me
Speaker 1: for this other thing.
Speaker 2: And then you're doing.
Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2: I had, I had you and you and bust Ryan's
Speaker 2: had a horrible movie I had. I bought that movie
Speaker 2: from Hollywood Video. It was terrible, but I bought it
Speaker 2: and I watched that motherfucker that was on my shelf.
Speaker 3: Thank you, man, I appreciate I let him know.
Speaker 2: I'll tell yo, it's crazy. So my best friend I
Speaker 2: have like one of my real first like hip hop
Speaker 2: two hip hop stories in life. Really, my best friend's
Speaker 2: name is rams His brother is Raka from Dilating. So
Speaker 2: Ramses came to LA. It's Roca's dad has a lot. Yeah,
Speaker 2: that's Buddy. Buddy's my best Yes, of course Buddy who
Speaker 2: was in the Was he in the.
Speaker 1: Paparazza as the Yeah, and now he's a lawyer.
Speaker 2: Yes, he's a lawyer.
Speaker 3: Right.
Speaker 2: So Ramses comes to LA to meet his brothers. And
Speaker 2: this is a before the platform came out, so this
Speaker 2: was I don't even know what.
Speaker 3: Year this was.
Speaker 2: He comes out to LA. I think at the time
Speaker 2: he's probably seventeen. I'm thirteen something like that, hangs out
Speaker 2: with the alcoholics you're around, comes back, He's like, Yo,
Speaker 2: my brother's in this rap group and I was hanging
Speaker 2: out with Exhibit and whatever the case is. Then you
Speaker 2: ended up like not long after that, having a concert.
Speaker 2: It was like a college show at Arizona State University,
Speaker 2: and me and Ramses with the hope of finding you
Speaker 2: backstage so you would remember him, we legit as like children,
Speaker 2: snuck into the backstage of this concert, was moving around
Speaker 2: like crazy fast forward. You're on the is it that?
Speaker 2: What was the tour with Popper Roach Anger Management Tour?
Speaker 2: And again we're on a mission sophere rest is soul
Speaker 2: is on that tour, sees Ramses recognizes him and brings
Speaker 2: us backstage. Yes, And I'm a little kid back at
Speaker 2: the Anger Management tour and you're the first Well, no
Speaker 2: you're not. I don't know if you're the first. Yeah,
Speaker 2: you're probably the first rapper I ever really kind of
Speaker 2: like I was a little dirty ass white kid. I
Speaker 2: was probably thirteen, twelve thirteen, and like you were super
Speaker 2: cool backstage, and I remember just being like what.
Speaker 3: The fuck, Like, yeah, was that what was that?
Speaker 2: Eminem?
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, Roach, elizab Biscuit, Yeah, Biscuit.
Speaker 2: It was just yeah, whatever the case. But yeah, man,
Speaker 2: by the way, man, we got to acknowledge the fear
Speaker 2: passing away man. Obviously, I know he was a big
Speaker 2: part of your story.
Speaker 1: Absolutely, Yeah, that was that was tough to do, you
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. But I'm glad, you know, me
Speaker 1: and Rasp we were able to go up and see
Speaker 1: him before he passed.
Speaker 3: And that's important.
Speaker 1: That was very Uh, that was very dope that we
Speaker 1: were able to all be together, and you know, shout
Speaker 1: out to the whole family, all the kids. You know,
Speaker 1: his brother Sonny, you know from the Hoo Riders. He uh,
Speaker 1: he was there, you know what I'm saying, Like he
Speaker 1: did a lot of the heavy liftings, so shout out
Speaker 1: to him, and uh, yeah, I'm glad we got to
Speaker 1: see my brother.
Speaker 2: That's good. Uh. One of the all time never got
Speaker 2: an album but needed an album was the Golden State Warriors.
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, you know, yeah, it was supposed to happen, you.
Speaker 2: Know, and then like there was like an NBA thing
Speaker 2: where they stepped in like you can't call yourself then
Speaker 2: it was like project.
Speaker 1: Yeah. When we called ourselves the Golden State Project, we
Speaker 1: actually got a cease and desist letter from from the
Speaker 1: Golden State Basketball organization. They was like, yo, if you
Speaker 1: do that, we're gonna fucking murder you. Like, okay, we won't.
Speaker 1: Well they didn't say that, but basically it was like,
Speaker 1: don't funk with our ship?
Speaker 2: Was there? Like how how did you guys ever? Like
Speaker 2: like actually with intent work on that album?
Speaker 3: We we had four songs completed and.
Speaker 2: Then like that we haven't heard that.
Speaker 3: You haven't heard Wow? Yeah?
Speaker 2: One day, man, one day.
Speaker 1: I got them sitting on das. I know exactly what
Speaker 1: they got. Yeah, I got them. Yeah, I'm organized like that.
Speaker 2: Three is one of the best postall I got.
Speaker 1: I got the I got it organized, some other stuff.
Speaker 1: I got some thing nails. You made me think about it.
Speaker 1: I have like these big bins of like it kept
Speaker 1: all my cassettes, I kept all my CDs, and I
Speaker 1: start going through the CDs.
Speaker 3: I got, like Kanye West beat CDs.
Speaker 1: I got, like you know what I'm saying, like like
Speaker 1: like instrumental CDs I got.
Speaker 2: It'd be crazy if you like listen, you're like, damn,
Speaker 2: I passed on this beat.
Speaker 1: I want to figure out I gotta I gotta put
Speaker 1: that ship into some hard drives or I got to
Speaker 1: get a system where I can like organize it but
Speaker 1: I want to like maintain that library of ship I
Speaker 1: have because I've been like collecting.
Speaker 3: Remember you used to give out.
Speaker 1: CDs like you know what I'm saying, like the like
Speaker 1: the singles and the little promo CDs and you got
Speaker 1: instrumentals and ship on there.
Speaker 2: I mean that's how everything was. Beat CDs, Like I
Speaker 2: got beats here you go.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I got bet CDs from like man, you name it,
Speaker 1: I got them.
Speaker 2: Can you talk to me about, like, uh, how you're
Speaker 2: feeling with the because you know, the West Coast has
Speaker 2: a very interesting opportunity right now to like take hip
Speaker 2: hop back be back on the forefront, right you know,
Speaker 2: I feel like, you know, me and Snooper talked about
Speaker 2: it a little bit. You know, the ball gets passed
Speaker 2: around and the South has had the ball for a
Speaker 2: long time. Atlanta's had the ball for a long time.
Speaker 2: But it does feel like with this Kendrick situation, that
Speaker 2: there has been an opportunity to take the ball. You
Speaker 2: know what I'm saying, How do you feel about about
Speaker 2: just like the West having that opportunity right now?
Speaker 3: I feel the shift, you know, I feel it.
Speaker 1: I think, I think, I think timing is everything, you know,
Speaker 1: I think, you know, to have these records, These records
Speaker 1: weren't done like in three days or or within a
Speaker 1: six week period, like we all have been working on
Speaker 1: our own pace and whatever, and it just so happens
Speaker 1: that everything everything lined up. Yeah, And I feel like
Speaker 1: when things organically happen like that, it tends to be
Speaker 1: a movement. It turns, it shifts the time, you know.
Speaker 1: So I think there's a lot to be said in that.
Speaker 1: And I think, you know, Kendrick Lamar being the two
Speaker 1: but the spear, you know what I'm saying, and really
Speaker 1: igniting a lot of a lot of that energy to
Speaker 1: be uniform. So people are looking out for each other
Speaker 1: and hearing it and hearing each other and okay, cool.
Speaker 1: So you know, now we're gonna do it. Now, We're
Speaker 1: gonna alley open now. You know what I'm saying. Now
Speaker 1: we're on the court.
Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying. It's it's feeling good. It's good.
Speaker 2: Yeah. It's been such a crazy year for West Coast
Speaker 2: hip hop. We were talking about Bence Staples, Tyler Cbe
Speaker 2: Cube album is Hard, the Snoop album is dog Pound.
Speaker 1: Yeah, be Real and Psycholastic Drop Something, hell Ship absolutely
Speaker 1: your Keeaenmaker's coming. I'm glad I got to get some
Speaker 1: music out, you know, and then we're coming in February
Speaker 1: with the whole project.
Speaker 2: How did you end up signing with Connor McGregor's new one,
Speaker 2: because when I saw you announce the label, yeah, and
Speaker 2: then I want to Now you correct me if I'm wrong,
Speaker 2: but I want to say Bone Thugs is on the
Speaker 2: label as well.
Speaker 1: I'm not sure if that's done, but.
Speaker 2: I mean that was that's the intent. Okay, that was
Speaker 2: at least in the air. Yeah, yeah, I don't know
Speaker 2: the first person to sign.
Speaker 3: No, I believe Bone was. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: I believe they are, you know, but I don't want
Speaker 1: to speak you don't business Yeah, yeah, but I know
Speaker 1: we were brought up second, but my project was more
Speaker 1: close to being completed because I had already been working
Speaker 1: right right, So that's why we were able to get in,
Speaker 1: make the announcement, and.
Speaker 3: Boom, pull the trigger like I already got music ready,
Speaker 3: I'm ready to go.
Speaker 2: But take me through the process, because a lot of
Speaker 2: people might see Connor Gregor's got a record lab. We'll
Speaker 2: be like, well, this is the tax right off for
Speaker 2: this guy.
Speaker 3: Now I said the same thing I was, you know.
Speaker 3: But then.
Speaker 1: Because we were getting close to being done with the
Speaker 1: record and I wanted to, you know, start, I started
Speaker 1: looking at ways to distribute it.
Speaker 2: How are we going to put this out?
Speaker 1: How now that I got the record, I want how
Speaker 1: am I going to put it out? So we started
Speaker 1: looking at everything, and you know, shout out to the
Speaker 1: Russell you know, I want to go see him. I
Speaker 1: like to Larussell's. Yeah, I love what he's doing. I'm
Speaker 1: very inspired by that young man. And you know, he
Speaker 1: got a movement going to and he's gonna do huge things.
Speaker 1: So you know, I went to go see you know,
Speaker 1: I familiar with all the DSPs and the sights and
Speaker 1: all that other stuff. So I wanted something different because
Speaker 1: I'm at this point of where I am musically, I
Speaker 1: have very small windows of opportunity for me to be
Speaker 1: totally transparent, for me to make the mark that I
Speaker 1: need to mark, and shift the tie.
Speaker 2: And you gotta put some respect on the body of
Speaker 2: work you're sitting on. Correct, You don't want to just
Speaker 2: don't throw it out, correct, be patient.
Speaker 3: And so I was patient.
Speaker 1: And so then the opportunity came from you know, shout
Speaker 1: out to Bobby D. Shout out to you know, Big Tato,
Speaker 1: who've been with me for years now, you know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying. Like, we got a call and said that
Speaker 1: Connor McGregor was starting a record label and they wanted
Speaker 1: to hear some music. We sent him the music. They
Speaker 1: was like, fucking this is we want to do this,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. So then I was like, well,
Speaker 1: what the fuck is kind of a what is gonna do?
Speaker 1: But then they explained it's like okay, so here's the deal.
Speaker 1: So everything he does involves music.
Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying. He has to pick this
Speaker 3: for this fight, he has to do that as he
Speaker 3: trains to it. D da da da da.
Speaker 1: He is very locked in on the music side, right,
Speaker 1: And so I was like, yeah, listen to the music
Speaker 1: in marketing and promoting and selling music.
Speaker 3: Three to seventeen thousand different.
Speaker 1: Things, right, And so he's like, okay, well just let's
Speaker 1: kind of have a conversation. We went out to Marba, Spain,
Speaker 1: and uh, well, first we went to Ireland and I
Speaker 1: met the team of people that he wants to form
Speaker 1: green Back Records with, right, and so there's there's some
Speaker 1: business side of people that you know, do a multitude
Speaker 1: of things in the in the McGregor world. But then
Speaker 1: there's you know, people he brought in specifically to do
Speaker 1: the record side of things. And these people have worked
Speaker 1: in the in the buildings, they've been in their music
Speaker 1: people with the business people. So I wanted to get
Speaker 1: check that out. I was like, okay, cool, that makes
Speaker 1: me feel a lot better, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: And so from there we went to to actually meet
Speaker 1: Connor and then sat down you know, got to see
Speaker 1: the Bare knuckle Box and ship. I No, that was
Speaker 1: in Spain, man, So so that's basically how it happened.
Speaker 1: And then when we come home, you know, it was
Speaker 1: just like okay, it's time to go. We're gonna push go.
Speaker 1: And we pushed the button and that ship's working, you
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying, Like it's fucking working.
Speaker 2: So because we've seen athletes try to do the label things,
Speaker 2: you know.
Speaker 3: But he's not in it like that.
Speaker 2: No, I know what I'm saying, But we've seen it, right,
Speaker 2: like we've seen it. It's it's very I don't know
Speaker 2: if it's ever worked, to be honest.
Speaker 3: No, no, it's it's not because he's.
Speaker 2: But usually it's like to be fair at you. Usually
Speaker 2: like football players and basketball players that also kind of
Speaker 2: want to wrap.
Speaker 3: Yeah, no, he's not. He's not trying to rap whatsoever.
Speaker 2: So, like you guys have that initial condo and like,
Speaker 2: was there anything he said to you that made you
Speaker 2: kind of be like, yeah, fuck it, let's let's let's
Speaker 2: give this a try.
Speaker 1: He's approaching it differently, and he's not jaded by any
Speaker 1: of the record politics that we all know about, right,
Speaker 1: He's he's he's literally looking at this like fight promotion.
Speaker 2: I love that, you know, a different way to approach
Speaker 2: to do it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, were talking about we're talking about approaching it like that.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying, Like really like build it
Speaker 1: in that fashion and and and that's exciting to me,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying, Like again, the risk versus reward.
Speaker 1: I've never been afraid to step out on faith, you
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2: So, and like, dude, the video has been insane.
Speaker 3: Yes, it's working.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know what I'm saying. You said that that boat,
Speaker 2: there's a boat in the video you have and that's
Speaker 2: it's it's that's that's Connor's Lamborghini boats.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, it looks crazy. Yeah, it's dope.
Speaker 1: I'm glad man shout out to uh the big the
Speaker 1: big Mac. You know, let me use his boat, like dope.
Speaker 2: Would you say there's any misconceptions about that guy because
Speaker 2: I'm I'm I'm I would say I'm like a surface
Speaker 2: level fight fan, but not like super in it, you know.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I see.
Speaker 1: You know now that we've been you know, collaborating, you know,
Speaker 1: people like you want to see him fight. You know,
Speaker 1: the stuff in the press about the whatever suit or
Speaker 1: whatever he's.
Speaker 3: Got going on.
Speaker 1: You know, look, dude, I gotta look at it like this.
Speaker 1: If he can't stay down with the people in their
Speaker 1: dark times, you don't deserve to stand up with him
Speaker 1: in the light you know facts.
Speaker 2: So you know, like he denies the whole thing, Yeah understood.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, but I mean there's no criminal charges. You know,
Speaker 1: it was a silk suit, So I'm not gonna get
Speaker 1: in the middle of it.
Speaker 2: I don't want to get into the you know, the
Speaker 2: weeds with that.
Speaker 1: But right, right, But but I do I do feel like, okay, cool, yeah,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying, Like we just started collaborating,
Speaker 1: and from what I've seen, you know what I'm saying,
Speaker 1: the dude is doing the best he can.
Speaker 2: Great businessman too, Like his whiskey is fucking huge.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but I think they, I think they actually, you know,
Speaker 1: went as far as you know, trying to distance themselves
Speaker 1: from Connor McGregor.
Speaker 3: And you know, like, dude, you know.
Speaker 2: Oh the whiskey company did. Yeah, I saw that right right,
Speaker 2: which is crazy because he's just like, like, you know,
Speaker 2: there's no well, yeah, I mean, it is what it is.
Speaker 3: It is what it is.
Speaker 1: But but again I'm I'm I'm I stay down, you
Speaker 1: know what I'm.
Speaker 3: Saying, like, and and I don't. I don't. I don't.
Speaker 1: I don't desert my people in their time of need. So,
Speaker 1: you know, shout out to the McGregor family, shout out
Speaker 1: to his wife and kids. You know, that's that's who's important,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. So I see him actively,
Speaker 1: you know, doing that.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, And I also feel like there was just
Speaker 2: a lot of things that didn't line up with that
Speaker 2: whole situation where you look.
Speaker 1: But that's not that you can't even get into the
Speaker 1: weeks with that either, for sure, you know, what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: But but again it's like you know when you when
Speaker 1: you make a character judgment and you decide to align
Speaker 1: yourself with someone, you know what I'm saying, Like, you
Speaker 1: gotta trust your gut, and my gut tells me that
Speaker 1: we did the right thing.
Speaker 2: Take me back. So you come to LA you were
Speaker 2: was there a certain point in time you were in
Speaker 2: Was it New Mexico or Arizona.
Speaker 3: New Mexico, New Mexican Albuquerque to be exactly.
Speaker 2: Yes, you end up in Los Angeles. You end up
Speaker 2: kind of getting in with the Liquid Crew, which you
Speaker 2: would have been like the Licks, King T, the Farii
Speaker 2: and those guys. How do you initially get signed Aloud?
Speaker 2: Because at that time Loud was they had the I
Speaker 2: don't know if they had the Lick Shit. I don't
Speaker 2: know were you first or was the Licks first?
Speaker 3: Alcoholics are first?
Speaker 2: So they had like twenty one and over and Shit,
Speaker 2: which was a great album. So was that kind of
Speaker 2: your pathway to getting on Steve Riff kids? Like? Uh?
Speaker 1: Actually, actually King T put me on first through a
Speaker 1: production group called three sixty with James Broadway. Okay, so
Speaker 1: that's how I kind of like learned you know, they
Speaker 1: were the first people I knew with record deals. So
Speaker 1: being around King T is how I met the alcoholics.
Speaker 2: And King T's one of them more like I would
Speaker 2: say underrated hip hop figures on the West Coast maybe ever,
Speaker 2: I mean he's up there, you.
Speaker 1: Know, like absolutely, yeah, he's one of the forefathers, like
Speaker 1: he was.
Speaker 2: Out he's behind so much shit exactly.
Speaker 1: Yeah. But King T gave me my first opportunities in
Speaker 1: hip hop.
Speaker 3: And so.
Speaker 1: From there, I never made a demo, I never made
Speaker 1: a tape. I never made any of that kind of stuff.
Speaker 1: I was only on King T. He's you know, Keing
Speaker 1: T for Life album and I did a song called
Speaker 1: Freestyle Ghetto and that was that was kind of like
Speaker 1: my demo and it was like out on the record.
Speaker 1: And so from there, we were doing a show at
Speaker 1: Glam Slam, which was Prince's nightclub downtown LA, and we
Speaker 1: were about to go out because I used to go
Speaker 1: and due to ad libs and support for the alcoholics
Speaker 1: on that show and then sometimes I'd be able to
Speaker 1: freestyle the stuff at the end if they had a
Speaker 1: spot for me, I would get down. And so we
Speaker 1: was about to go on and Steve record was acting.
Speaker 1: He's like, hey, I want to sign you just like
Speaker 1: that crazy and then yeah, we went there and the
Speaker 1: next week got it done.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: And then when you're working on At the Speed of Life,
Speaker 2: you got records on there like Paparazzi in Los Angeles
Speaker 2: Times and just an amazing It was like an undergrounded
Speaker 2: West Coast album really, because you know, like it was
Speaker 2: kind of like I feel feel like, is it safe
Speaker 2: to say, like the what you See is What You
Speaker 2: Get video kind of like made more the most, Like
Speaker 2: it got you the most attention at that time, hm hmm,
Speaker 2: because it was it was like a one on one
Speaker 2: video is obviously on your second album, But I feel
Speaker 2: like At the Speed of Life was a very under
Speaker 2: the radar project.
Speaker 1: Yes, yes, Papa Rozzi was the biggest look from the
Speaker 1: first album.
Speaker 3: The video.
Speaker 1: The video was the Orchestra on the Beach, got a
Speaker 1: lot of got a lot of run. I still performed
Speaker 1: that song today in my set. What You See Is
Speaker 1: What You Get was great on a couple different levels,
Speaker 1: Like it showed the creativity that I wanted to have
Speaker 1: injected into my visuals and what I was capable of.
Speaker 2: For people who don't know it was like the first
Speaker 2: one take constant shot video.
Speaker 3: No edits, you know there was no it was edits.
Speaker 2: Oh there was.
Speaker 3: There was thirteen edits in that video.
Speaker 2: The chops.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but you know there's a bunch of stuff in
Speaker 1: that video I can point out, but you know, what
Speaker 1: you see is what you get. Definitely got creatively out
Speaker 1: there and got the conversation going. But you know, it
Speaker 1: also allowed me to be put on like, you know,
Speaker 1: an award show.
Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying, or it was.
Speaker 1: It was a real big moment, and yes, I was
Speaker 1: really excited to go forward from that, but Steve didn't
Speaker 1: want to shoot another video and I got so fucking.
Speaker 2: Bad because you had the record on there with with meth.
Speaker 3: Yeah, he's like on that record yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, which felt like it was like a radio record.
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, pussy pop, Pussy Pop. Pussy had the vinyl. Yeah.
Speaker 2: My favorite shit on there is three card Moley though, yes, yes,
Speaker 2: which is fucking just up there.
Speaker 1: But they didn't want to shoot any more visuals. I
Speaker 1: got so fucking hot. I was like what He's like, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I just gonna make another record.
Speaker 2: I was like, We're not then pushing this album?
Speaker 3: No, I was like one single, that one.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's crazy when you said, uh, that's like Christopher
Speaker 2: Reeves doing the crip walk, man, that's like, that's foul.
Speaker 1: Yeah, we got away with a whole lot of ship, though,
Speaker 1: you know, we gotta wait with a whole.
Speaker 2: Do you feel like because like that whole pocket of
Speaker 2: artists right like, and I feel like even like, uh
Speaker 2: we mentioned Afari ev Rocker dilated all those guys, but
Speaker 2: I kind of feel like just that pocket of underground
Speaker 2: la rap was you, the Licks, King, t the FARII
Speaker 2: feel the agony all those guys. I just feel like,
Speaker 2: man like that was such a I feel like when
Speaker 2: we talk about West Coast hip hop like a lot
Speaker 2: of times, like those guys get kind of like left
Speaker 2: out of the conversation and they're so like, like your
Speaker 2: rap life, Tash's rap life, it's such a great alp.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Okay, So so here's the thing. People have to identify
Speaker 1: things by name, right, So if you look at you know,
Speaker 1: the g Funk era to death Row era, people know, yeah,
Speaker 1: all the exactly people want to name something, right, So
Speaker 1: we came after the death Row era and all these
Speaker 1: other things. We were right in the middle right before
Speaker 1: you know, my era started my graduating class, and so
Speaker 1: you know we've started calling it like West Coast Lyricists, right, because.
Speaker 2: At that time there's there's like Preestyle Fellowship and you
Speaker 2: know what I'm saying. Yeah, and even guys like Roscoe and.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and then you had you know, Crooked Eye was
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying, like.
Speaker 2: Part of Asia.
Speaker 1: Yeah, all these like West Coast lyricists because that was
Speaker 1: our that was that was our angle, that was what
Speaker 1: we were doing, you know what I'm saying. Like, And
Speaker 1: I think that kind of sums it up. So now
Speaker 1: you can come to mind and think of all these
Speaker 1: other artists that were around that that genre. You know
Speaker 1: where I am comes out of.
Speaker 2: That graduating Yeah, I mean I think about that. That
Speaker 2: first Black Eyed Peas album.
Speaker 1: Was yeah for sure, Before that he was signed Ruthless, right, Yeah,
Speaker 1: you know will one X.
Speaker 3: Yeah that sh.
Speaker 2: It's crazy, man, Yeah, it's crazy. So you end up
Speaker 2: uh putting out forty Days forty Nights was the black
Speaker 2: and white soundtrack before Restless, it was, right, Yes, so
Speaker 2: you had the year two thousand song. Mike Tyson was
Speaker 2: in that movie, I believe, wasn't he in Black.
Speaker 1: And White Yes slapped the ship out of Robert.
Speaker 2: How you go from the loud situation and then bridging
Speaker 2: it to aligning with Dre?
Speaker 3: Huh huh?
Speaker 1: Like I said, it goes back to that video that
Speaker 1: they shot one video for that album and then told
Speaker 1: me to go and make another album.
Speaker 3: I was like, we haven't even you.
Speaker 2: Know, we haven't even got into the meat and potatoes
Speaker 2: of this.
Speaker 3: Album, Superman, Superman.
Speaker 1: So I was, you know, basically throwing the temper tantrum,
Speaker 1: you know, rebelling, you know, fuck that.
Speaker 3: I'm not gonna get another album. So I got a call.
Speaker 1: Snoop dogg, Hey, I want you to work on this
Speaker 1: this record, doctor Dre, gonna do the beat. When when
Speaker 1: went to the studio, no limit, top Dog, No limit,
Speaker 1: top dog, bitch please came out that ship out of
Speaker 1: the out of here, trying a video to it even
Speaker 1: more out of here.
Speaker 3: Oh ship, he's heating up.
Speaker 1: No then uh, you know, got the call again, no
Speaker 1: Doc like working with you.
Speaker 3: Come through. You know, we want to see what you
Speaker 3: can do.
Speaker 2: Two thousand and one.
Speaker 3: Yeah, two thousand and one, Yeah.
Speaker 1: He's heating up yo x Hey hey you uh you guys,
Speaker 1: what you're doing The next few months, you want to
Speaker 1: go on this tour.
Speaker 2: I bought tickets. That's the first content I ever bought
Speaker 2: real tickets tour. Oh my god, he's on and the date,
Speaker 2: the date I went to Q wasn't on it.
Speaker 3: Oh man.
Speaker 2: But yeah, that was. That was a crazy tour.
Speaker 1: So that's the progression. Now, now we got to have
Speaker 1: that conversation. I don't want to do another record.
Speaker 2: You're on fire?
Speaker 3: Fuck that? Yeah?
Speaker 1: Fuck that I was. I was definitely feeling myself, but
Speaker 1: you know, we had to we had to find a
Speaker 1: common ground and uh yeah man, yeah, I'm glad it
Speaker 1: worked out the way it did.
Speaker 2: I mean it did. Uh what was it?
Speaker 5: Like?
Speaker 2: Can you take me into the session where you're working
Speaker 2: on what's the difference? Because that is we talked about
Speaker 2: posse cuts earlier. That's another all timer. You know your
Speaker 2: verse obviously Eminem's versus fucking crazy, but I feel like
Speaker 2: you're Lyne. What's the difference between me and about five
Speaker 2: Baker counts three out of two vehicles? I feel like
Speaker 2: just an all time verse on that album. What was
Speaker 2: that studio session?
Speaker 3: Like?
Speaker 1: I think it was at Larrabie. I think it was
Speaker 1: at Larrabie and it was like one of the last
Speaker 1: things that we worked on before for no, I'm thinking
Speaker 1: about the X record. That was my that was that,
Speaker 1: that was that record. But in that session, Dre was there,
Speaker 1: I think Scott Stortch was there engineers, and I think
Speaker 1: I think that's it.
Speaker 3: Down.
Speaker 1: Oh we didn't hear I didn't hear I didn't hear that.
Speaker 1: I didn't hear anything until I laid my verse and
Speaker 1: so he's like, you got something for this, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: And then went over there and uh, you know smashed it.
Speaker 1: You know, of course, you know, you know, got the
Speaker 1: direction from Dre, you know, made sure that it was
Speaker 1: right in the pocket and had everything delivered in the
Speaker 1: right way the way he wanted to hear it, and uh,
Speaker 1: that was it. So then I think Dre's verse was
Speaker 1: on it, you know what I'm saying. And then when
Speaker 1: he put it all together, it came out crazy crazy
Speaker 1: that could that could That beat was just at the
Speaker 1: time when you heard it come on, it was like
Speaker 1: it was it was a highlight, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: It was it was it was not just like you
Speaker 1: know it was at the top of the record. It's
Speaker 1: just like Showcase, this is this is gonna be a
Speaker 1: big one.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you and Eminem have had some amazing moments on
Speaker 2: records together. Don't approach me as.
Speaker 3: A great record by the way, thank you?
Speaker 2: Uh bitch please to ended up on his album, yeah,
Speaker 2: which was random as fuck. Yeah, like, how fuck Eminem
Speaker 2: get the second bitch please?
Speaker 3: Yeah? It was good.
Speaker 2: Can you talk about your guys' relationship because obviously you're
Speaker 2: on tour with him to the up and Smoke tour.
Speaker 2: Eminem's not quiet Eminem yet, but he's still Eminem. You know,
Speaker 2: he came out in the fucking jumpsuit and ship. Yeah yeah,
Speaker 2: but what was what was y'all's like friendship like and
Speaker 2: and and like. Your guys' chemistry was pretty crazy on songs.
Speaker 3: No, it was good, man.
Speaker 1: I think we just cut from the same cloth as
Speaker 1: far as where our taste in hip hop is right. So,
Speaker 1: you know, everybody has their own original way of presenting themselves,
Speaker 1: and you know, he's definitely, you know what I'm saying,
Speaker 1: one of the greatest you know what I'm saying, And
Speaker 1: so seeing him, you know now from then is dope
Speaker 1: to be able to see how the integrity of what
Speaker 1: he's doing is still intact and still in place. So
Speaker 1: you know, we we were definitely were in the same circles.
Speaker 1: But you know, I can't say, you know, like we
Speaker 1: had like the best of friendship. I think they're like
Speaker 1: denying it together. Yeah, yeah, denying and and Royce and
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying, like his family is Paul
Speaker 1: and Tracy that you know, like he's he's with his
Speaker 1: people's you know what I'm saying. But when we do interact,
Speaker 1: it's love, you know what I'm saying, Like, yeah.
Speaker 2: Can you speak to like because you got Royce on
Speaker 2: the new album? Yes, uh he fucking spazed out a yeah,
Speaker 2: Royce is I always tell everybody I think, like at
Speaker 2: the skill of rapping, you know, you gotta talk black thought,
Speaker 2: you gotta talk question. There's just names that like we
Speaker 2: don't hear enough. It's like, yo, like Royce is up
Speaker 2: up you know Loop is up there too. I mean
Speaker 2: like there's a few. But uh with this new album, man,
Speaker 2: you're you're like you are. I don't I don't know
Speaker 2: how much I could give away about the album because
Speaker 2: you did play it for me and it's not come
Speaker 2: until February, but you have a great uh mixture of
Speaker 2: like OG's. I guess guys from your class, I would say,
Speaker 2: and then you have some new younger artists. But it
Speaker 2: didn't feel like See, this is the thing that I
Speaker 2: feel like when like artists I grew up listening to
Speaker 2: work with younger artists, it feels forced. It feels forced,
Speaker 2: and it's just like yo, like I don't want to
Speaker 2: hear you on their ship, like I don't mind, you
Speaker 2: know what I mean. And so with your new album,
Speaker 2: I feel like you brought people to at your world.
Speaker 2: And what I appreciate about this project is it feels
Speaker 2: like an exhibit album. Yes, it doesn't feel like you're washed.
Speaker 2: And I mean that, bro. You know you know what
Speaker 2: I'm talking about though, because you'll hear some of these
Speaker 2: but you'll hear some of these o gs and they'll
Speaker 2: put out some new ship and you'll be like this,
Speaker 2: we don't want we don't want to hear this from you.
Speaker 2: That's what I appreciated about about the Cube single. It's
Speaker 2: my ego. I said, this is some fucking ice Cube ship.
Speaker 2: This is what I want to hear from ice Cubes.
Speaker 2: I don't want to hear it, you know, Yeah, put
Speaker 2: that being said, this album feels like, like you know, the.
Speaker 1: Time, I don't think I needed to conform. I don't
Speaker 1: think I needed to go set find a new sound
Speaker 1: or try to do what's current. I think I just
Speaker 1: need to do what I do extremely well. And I
Speaker 1: think the quality and standard of people that you know,
Speaker 1: like music, that it has it, you know. Like you said,
Speaker 1: I think people, regardless of how they know me, regardless
Speaker 1: of what they know me from, I deserve one listen
Speaker 1: for sure, you know what I'm saying, Yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: Before you dismiss it, before you say I fuck you,
Speaker 1: fuck him, whatever, you know what I'm saying, or whatever
Speaker 1: you want to come and blast the comments or whatever,
Speaker 1: just one listen, give it, give it, give it one run.
Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying. I think the game on me.
Speaker 2: That you have somehow, you're one of the people who
Speaker 2: doctor Dre has always just had uh an insane amount
Speaker 2: of love for since you've gotten into his you know circle,
Speaker 2: I would say, right, I feel like Dre has always
Speaker 2: had your back behind the scenes. I've heard that he's
Speaker 2: always had your back. You know, he may or may
Speaker 2: not have had your back on this album.
Speaker 3: I don't know.
Speaker 2: What what do you do you remember like kind of
Speaker 2: like when you and Dre like kind of hit like
Speaker 2: a real momentum, like oh, like we're this is this
Speaker 2: is like a this is not a music relationship, This
Speaker 2: is not a label head relationship. This is like a
Speaker 2: brotherhood type shit. You know.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think over the time that we spent making
Speaker 1: those records and then being able to see you know,
Speaker 1: that might my outside studio activities were just as strong
Speaker 1: as my inside studio activities, meaning that you know, I'm
Speaker 1: trying to get the job done. I'm not here for
Speaker 1: the bullshit. You know what I'm saying, like to be
Speaker 1: an asset. I want to be an.
Speaker 2: Asset, not a liability, correct, And.
Speaker 1: So that's always been my drive, you know. You know,
Speaker 1: sometimes I fail.
Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying all that everybody's.
Speaker 1: Perfect, but you know I most ninety nine percent of
Speaker 1: the time I hate the mark, right, And so now
Speaker 1: being able to you know, go forward and you know,
Speaker 1: like families be involved and people know, you know, our
Speaker 1: personal lives, you know, our you know discussed, you know,
Speaker 1: we we built it over time, and you know, I
Speaker 1: think that you know, when people get around certain individuals
Speaker 1: and they I think people's intentions and you know, whatever
Speaker 1: they they override the desire to be a good person, right.
Speaker 1: I think he experiences that more than anybody. But he's
Speaker 1: he's definitely in ConTroll of his his his circle of
Speaker 1: people that he decides to associate with. I'm just you know,
Speaker 1: I'm I'm blessed enough to be able to, you know,
Speaker 1: have those conversations with him and talk about things other
Speaker 1: than music, and you know, I get a little I
Speaker 1: get a lot of wisdom and a lot of you know,
Speaker 1: like good direction, you know, saying because he's seen it all.
Speaker 1: So he's built you know, empires and you know he's
Speaker 1: seen him crumble and you don't built him again, you know.
Speaker 3: What I'm saying. So there's a lot of there's a lot.
Speaker 1: Of good ship you can learn, you know, and discussions
Speaker 1: with him, you know, And I'm glad. I'm glad I
Speaker 1: had that relationship with him.
Speaker 2: When you guys were in those two thousand and one sessions,
Speaker 2: did you guys have I mean, it's still dre right.
Speaker 2: Should Knight try to drop like the hater chronic two
Speaker 2: thousand with the fake snoop?
Speaker 1: Yeah, Yeah, that's why, that's why, that's why he named
Speaker 1: it two thousand.
Speaker 6: And one, not come out two thousand and one, but
Speaker 6: but like was like the y'all like because that I
Speaker 6: always I do make the argument a lot.
Speaker 2: I think two thousand and one age better than the
Speaker 2: first Chronic. Like to me, like two thousand and one
Speaker 2: sounds like it could have came out today personally for me.
Speaker 1: Okay, so if you go listen to Okay, so look,
Speaker 1: records are phenomenal, and but you know, if you don't
Speaker 1: get the first Chronic, you don't get the second one.
Speaker 1: Of course, so the first Chronic, the dynamics to those
Speaker 1: mixes are phenomenal because if you listen to that record,
Speaker 1: I remember how it shifted everything.
Speaker 2: I mean, yeah, that's the tree that just comes from
Speaker 2: just that album. It's forever, like.
Speaker 1: Come on, man, it's it's it's things on the it's
Speaker 1: things on there that kind of set the standard for
Speaker 1: like the next ten to twenty years of music.
Speaker 2: I mean, fu yeah, I mean my opinion, Dog, your
Speaker 2: Style is the greatest, if not the greatest album ever,
Speaker 2: it's it's the great I mean, it's it's one or
Speaker 2: two for me. Yeah, sure, absolutely, And that obviously is
Speaker 2: a direct cause and effect from the chronic. Yes, but
Speaker 2: uh yo, what have you have you been able to
Speaker 2: sit with missionary?
Speaker 3: I have?
Speaker 2: I feel like I listened to it the first go round,
Speaker 2: right and I was like, Okay, this is first, but
Speaker 2: you probably you've already been hearing it.
Speaker 3: I was in there.
Speaker 2: I was like I was.
Speaker 1: I was in there with him listening to it and
Speaker 1: listen when I'm biased already.
Speaker 2: I love the album.
Speaker 3: I'm biased. I love I love I love everything my team.
Speaker 3: Do you know what I'm saying?
Speaker 1: But I think people got to know that Snoop is
Speaker 1: a global brand. He is making music. He feels good
Speaker 1: right now. He just got done during the Olympics. You
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying, like like this is a direct
Speaker 1: representation of how good and how much fun he's.
Speaker 2: Having and he's but he is also wrapping his ass.
Speaker 1: Off so fucking loly. You know what I'm saying. I
Speaker 1: heard it through the Big Speak crank. You know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying, Like, come on, the production is immaculate. Snoop
Speaker 1: is at an all time high on his game. You
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying, Like.
Speaker 2: I think I think it's an album that like I'm
Speaker 2: on my fourth listen at this point and I'm like, yo,
Speaker 2: this ship is amazing.
Speaker 7: Absolutely to catch you off guard a little, the first list, Yeah,
Speaker 7: like you going in with expectations, don't don't go in
Speaker 7: expecting it here doggy style, because you know that was then,
Speaker 7: this is now.
Speaker 2: I think they pulled it off. And that fucking Tom
Speaker 2: Petty jelly roll record should be like number one in
Speaker 2: the world. Like that song is the fucking smash no
Speaker 2: incredible body work. You uh have had so many different
Speaker 2: parts of your career, uh, you know, movies, uh, TV,
Speaker 2: fucking the music and the music has always been a
Speaker 2: constant in some capacity. What's the worst movie you ever
Speaker 2: been in? I told ice Cube his worst movie was
Speaker 2: a movie you were in by the way that she
Speaker 2: was crazy, that she was unbelievable. He said it was
Speaker 2: Ghost of Mars, and I was like, probably right, that's
Speaker 2: probably worth the Triple X two.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 5: I think I think it's full clip. I think it's
Speaker 5: a full clip. I think it is I think I
Speaker 5: think it's bad. I think it's really bad.
Speaker 1: Yeah, oh bad, oh man, Yeah, yeah, I like the
Speaker 1: other you know, but I agree that like Triple X
Speaker 1: two was was a turning point for me, right because
Speaker 1: it was the first movie role that I had with
Speaker 1: a like a major, major motion picture, like.
Speaker 2: A blockbuster franchise.
Speaker 3: Correct, And it was an offer.
Speaker 1: Right, I'm I'm not an actor, you know at this point,
Speaker 1: I'm not an actor. Here's a here's an offer. You
Speaker 1: want you to be a ice cube triple X? Oh yeah, stunts,
Speaker 1: what tanks? Yeah, let's do it. So go do the
Speaker 1: film and now it's premier. Now the thing about television,
Speaker 1: because you know, they obviously wanted at the time, pim
Speaker 1: My ride was at a super hot you know, right,
Speaker 1: and so fucking I was gonna put acids in the seats.
Speaker 1: So the straight offering never had an acting think. I
Speaker 1: was like, I got this. You know, how hard can
Speaker 1: it be? I do fucking music videos. Fucking what the fuck?
Speaker 1: So I do the film. And then the difference about
Speaker 1: TV is that in film is that your face is
Speaker 1: like seventy feet high.
Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: So you're looking at your face at the fucking gigantic level,
Speaker 1: and you if you don't know what you're doing, it
Speaker 1: looks like you don't know what you're doing, right, And
Speaker 1: so yeah, I'm you know, I'm looking at this play.
Speaker 1: I was like, this is fucking horrible.
Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying. I'm like looking at myself like, ooh,
Speaker 3: this fucking night even you know.
Speaker 1: It's not that bad, but it's just stiff, and it's
Speaker 1: not there's no life.
Speaker 3: It's just like.
Speaker 2: You know, an actor, Yeah, you're getting through the script.
Speaker 1: And I was like, fuck, they let me do this
Speaker 1: ship and I was like, okay, so this is never
Speaker 1: gonna happen again.
Speaker 3: So I'm always going.
Speaker 1: To be prepared and I got to take this serious
Speaker 1: if I'm because I like the experience.
Speaker 3: I love the experience. Right, So.
Speaker 1: When uh, I went got an acting coach and she
Speaker 1: was little, little, little, little little white lady, gray hair.
Speaker 1: She became therapy in these acting coaches because she wanted
Speaker 1: she was like, she would let make me talk about
Speaker 1: my personal life for like an hour before we even
Speaker 1: do that, and say and then she said, okay, where's
Speaker 1: the script. And so as we go through the script,
Speaker 1: you said, that's somebody from that story, that's somebody from here.
Speaker 1: That's what makes it real. You have to start putting
Speaker 1: a name to like she pulls apart all these datas
Speaker 1: and then she put it on this. She put like,
Speaker 1: that's to the person that you just had that argument
Speaker 1: with three days and not think about them when you
Speaker 1: were saying this line, it's saying talking about this person.
Speaker 1: And so that's how I started like really learning from
Speaker 1: her and like the things I used to be able
Speaker 1: to pick up and so that doing it. A few
Speaker 1: years of that, you know, now was ready to do
Speaker 1: you know, Grid Iron Gang and de Railed and working
Speaker 1: with you know, all these you know, high level directors.
Speaker 1: You know, it was really dope to go through that
Speaker 1: experience and be able to you know, challenge myself because look,
Speaker 1: I started from that, and yeah, it was a good
Speaker 1: it was a great opportunity and it led to other things.
Speaker 1: But when I took is serious and started really like
Speaker 1: focusing on Okay, cool, this is what I'm going to
Speaker 1: do now. And that's another thing it took. That took
Speaker 1: away from music as well, you know, being able to go.
Speaker 2: And like I mean, yeah, I mean that that takes
Speaker 2: time if you're going to take acting serious, correct correct.
Speaker 1: So I had to kind of had to pivot and
Speaker 1: I had to go that direction, and I'm glad I did.
Speaker 2: You if I'm just throwing this out and if somebody
Speaker 2: took like a legendary West Coast rapper A and ice
Speaker 2: Cube and put them on like a crazy East Coast
Speaker 2: hip hop sample. It would just be crazy.
Speaker 3: Okay, yeah Yo.
Speaker 2: There are so many like uh, like my producer asked
Speaker 2: you off the air, but there are so many like
Speaker 2: rumors about pip My Ride. Yes, there's a whole Reddit
Speaker 2: thread of former people who are on pit My Ride
Speaker 2: and the one thing I want, well not the one thing.
Speaker 2: But first of all, I mean that was a paid
Speaker 2: gig for you. You would show up right when the car
Speaker 2: was done. I mean it was you know, in and out.
Speaker 3: You know what.
Speaker 2: Was there any point in time where you knew like, oh,
Speaker 2: that car is fucked up? Like that's not that's not sustainable.
Speaker 2: There's a fish taking a car. It happens all the time.
Speaker 3: I would walking.
Speaker 1: I was walking to the sets and after a while,
Speaker 1: let's just like, I mean, let's.
Speaker 2: Another day at work.
Speaker 3: Let's go.
Speaker 1: But the producers thought that the show needed that. I
Speaker 1: was always of the mindset of being like, look, let's
Speaker 1: just paint the motherfucker. If we're gonna spend some money,
Speaker 1: let's just do something really dope. The exhaust engine, suspension, RIMS,
Speaker 1: paint sound system done.
Speaker 2: This has been to GMTV, though they got to do
Speaker 2: crazy shit done.
Speaker 1: I know, I know, but it was like, no, it's
Speaker 1: more entertaining when they was like, Yo, I'm pretty sure
Speaker 1: these motherfuckers just want.
Speaker 3: A dope card to get to work.
Speaker 2: Yeah, pick up a girl on a date baby, Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: for sure. What's the craziest thing, Like you saw them
Speaker 2: do to a car where you were just like, guys
Speaker 2: like this, who thought of this ship?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 1: Man, I mean there's no shortage of things, you know,
Speaker 1: but I think I think the craziest thing was when
Speaker 1: they tried to make that engine run on cooking oil.
Speaker 2: Yeah, they were like, we're going to reinvent the entire
Speaker 2: the car was so dope.
Speaker 1: I was like, why y'all do that to that fucking car? Yeah,
Speaker 1: but but I mean, look, the show was entertaining.
Speaker 2: There was was there a video game? Yes, there was
Speaker 2: a pit my ride video.
Speaker 3: It was there was Yeah.
Speaker 2: Crazy.
Speaker 3: Yeah was.
Speaker 2: Obviously when you get coined to do that show, right,
Speaker 2: like you don't know it's going to be a big success,
Speaker 2: Like you're like, give it a shot.
Speaker 3: So it happened very very very true. You know, we
Speaker 3: didn't know what we had to you.
Speaker 2: Know, at your peak of pint my ride. You have
Speaker 2: a ton of leverage, right, are you? Like, is the
Speaker 2: bag just crazy to do an episode?
Speaker 1: It got okay, yeah, yeah, but it was nothing compared
Speaker 1: to the addict that the advertising revenue.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I saw that. They we're talking about bringing it
Speaker 2: back or it's coming back.
Speaker 3: I don't know.
Speaker 2: Oh, but you're not involved with the with the reincarnation there,
Speaker 2: Like if they find another rapper, because I got a
Speaker 2: feeling there's going to be like a younger up. What
Speaker 2: advice would you give them?
Speaker 3: H good luck, good luck?
Speaker 2: I love it, yo. Somebody else you're you know, being
Speaker 2: on Loud Records, you had some legendary label mates, but
Speaker 2: somebody you had a great relationship with and worked with
Speaker 2: was Big Pun Absolute You got a pun tattoo? Yes, yes,
Speaker 2: and uh, you know pun It is one of the
Speaker 2: biggest what ifs ever. You know, I think if he
Speaker 2: was still around right now, we'd be looking at him
Speaker 2: like he's one of the greatest of all time, because
Speaker 2: I think he's one of the grades of all time.
Speaker 2: And yes, uh he's you know, by all accounts, one
Speaker 2: of the funniest motherfuckers ever. Can you just share a
Speaker 2: bit like a big pun store you might have with us.
Speaker 3: Hell yeah, okay.
Speaker 1: So so we went out on this first promo.
Speaker 3: Tour together, right, and so.
Speaker 1: We had two buses and we go we go out
Speaker 1: and uh, I think we were I think we were
Speaker 1: on the East coast working our way through right to
Speaker 1: Detroit or somewhere in Flint, somewhere, I don't know, somewhere
Speaker 1: right right, we're out together. Their bus breaks down and
Speaker 1: so they, you know, puns, like, you know, let me
Speaker 1: get my family. He got his family with him. It's like,
Speaker 1: let me get on the bus, like we come on,
Speaker 1: y'all ride with us. You know what I'm saying. It's
Speaker 1: all good, you know, hung out, you know, went to
Speaker 1: uh went to the gig, right, So they all on
Speaker 1: my bus, right, and so no, we went to the
Speaker 1: hotel first. Okay, so I do the night was gonna
Speaker 1: be crazy, but I didn't know at the beginning of
Speaker 1: the day how.
Speaker 3: Crazy it was gonna get.
Speaker 1: So they're trying to get to the hotel and get
Speaker 1: checked in, so they don't want to be on our
Speaker 1: bus anymore because they feel like they're in Pete. I
Speaker 1: was like, no, you guys are good, you know, just
Speaker 1: just go in a chill, but it's like, nah, we
Speaker 1: call a car. So this car pulls up and this
Speaker 1: you know, this nigga jump out Jerry Curll, you know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying.
Speaker 3: Old school?
Speaker 1: He got a poop pulled up in a limousine, right,
Speaker 1: and so something happened. We all on the bus and
Speaker 1: we see this guy pull up and he gets out
Speaker 1: with an attitude and it's like watching the Sign of movie.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 1: We on the bus and were looking out the window
Speaker 1: and so it's just like you can tell what a
Speaker 1: body like was that he didn't like what was happening.
Speaker 1: He was like, you know, you all you motherfuckers can't
Speaker 1: get in my car. So, you know, the whole terror
Speaker 1: squads went over. It's like a bunch of shit, right
Speaker 1: and so and so I see the dude throws hands
Speaker 1: up and I'm like, oh, this is not gonna end good.
Speaker 1: So did all the tailor squad niggas come. They start
Speaker 1: chasing this nigger around the car. It's like the best
Speaker 1: shit ever, right, So I was like, oh, it's gonna
Speaker 1: be a great night. So we end up getting everything
Speaker 1: together and we get over to the venue.
Speaker 3: So we the venues.
Speaker 1: Packed, super excited, we going first, it's going down. No,
Speaker 1: there's a guy named Booby, the boxer that's part of
Speaker 1: TS at the time. Booby whatever, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: He was on stage with pun You know he's getting down.
Speaker 1: We're up on the balcony now, yeah, we're just watching
Speaker 1: the show. Place is packed. So there's something going on
Speaker 1: in the front row. Booby's addressing something in the front row.
Speaker 1: They having another Siglent movie.
Speaker 3: Yeah, what it is.
Speaker 1: And so then somebody goes off the stage. No, somebody
Speaker 1: throws something. Then somebody goes off the stage. Now it's
Speaker 1: a fight. Now the fight's coming on stage. And uh, somebody,
Speaker 1: somebody from the team pulls out a gun and fires
Speaker 1: it right in the air. Yo, this nigga had pulled
Speaker 1: out a pulled out of a briefcase BA in the
Speaker 1: middle of the stage. No, no, I'm someone everybody in
Speaker 1: the first ten rows is you know, it gets stuck.
Speaker 1: So everybody's trying to get away. So you just see
Speaker 1: like dominoes like people falls and then everybody else turned
Speaker 1: around and shout. So we stuck on the balcony. Everybody's
Speaker 1: laying down on the balcony and he was like, get
Speaker 1: the fuck up. Everybody, get the fuck up and get out.
Speaker 3: So then we.
Speaker 1: We we we were getting down to go into our bus, right,
Speaker 1: we do head count everybody good, all right, all right,
Speaker 1: let's go. We get into our bus and they trying
Speaker 1: to come up. They coming out the back door. They're
Speaker 1: coming out of the back door, so they know everybody's righting.
Speaker 1: Everybody's you know, we're trying to get pun you know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying.
Speaker 3: So he throw this.
Speaker 1: The cops is coming, So he throw the motherfucking thing
Speaker 1: in the dumpster. There's no trash in the dumpster. The
Speaker 1: niggas just walk right up to it the paslight like
Speaker 1: there is Yeah, who threw it? So everybody's in cuss.
Speaker 1: Everybody's like, you know what I'm saying. It's like, okay,
Speaker 1: cool Joe here, Joe is not here, all right, So
Speaker 1: so so end up, you know, got to deal with
Speaker 1: that ship.
Speaker 3: We get to the hotel and.
Speaker 1: Now there's these niggas walking around the hotel looking for
Speaker 1: terror squad.
Speaker 3: Right, you know what I'm saying, Like like.
Speaker 1: People, that was nothing concept and now when I was
Speaker 1: niggas walking around, So now we got to run this
Speaker 1: covert operation to get everybody on the buses and get
Speaker 1: it go. I mean they shot the bus up, busses
Speaker 1: up and everything, man, But yeah, it was never a
Speaker 1: dupe moment.
Speaker 3: Yo.
Speaker 2: Something I always wanted to ask you about was what
Speaker 2: I think I kind of know what happened, but you
Speaker 2: had I mean, you've been a part of some dope situations,
Speaker 2: shots to serial killers, but also like there was the
Speaker 2: strong Arm Steady ship, and your guys' mixtapes were crazy
Speaker 2: and they were very like peaked mixtape era. Shit. It
Speaker 2: was kind of like you guys were like kind of
Speaker 2: like West Coast gu and.
Speaker 3: It low key. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I think it's dope. Man.
Speaker 1: I can't I take I can't take credit for the
Speaker 1: mixtapes because they brought me in after they had the idea.
Speaker 2: Originally started it was like you Crown, don Ye, Bill
Speaker 2: Mitchie Slick, and then they ended up signing with Talib
Speaker 2: and then you you kind of exited that situation. And
Speaker 2: I remember you and toe Lib weerre cool because you're
Speaker 2: on the reflection of Turtle album Down for was it
Speaker 2: Down for the count? Oh with Rod Digga? Oh my god,
Speaker 2: fucking fire amazing song. But did that lead to like
Speaker 2: some tension between you guys for a while.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but it was it.
Speaker 1: Listen, you know, I think with strong Arm Steady, you know,
Speaker 1: shout out to all the brothers, man. I think when
Speaker 1: people have ambition and my mind comes from a very
Speaker 1: genuine place, right. And so when I got involved with
Speaker 1: Strong Arm Steady, I tend to be the kind of
Speaker 1: leader where I don't explain what I'm thinking or what
Speaker 1: I'm seeing too far down the road because I know,
Speaker 1: I know what the goal is. But right now, we
Speaker 1: just need to do these few steps in order to
Speaker 1: get to this next thing because I don't want to.
Speaker 1: I don't want to waste time trying to explain something
Speaker 1: that you can't see, right, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: And so it's a very small group of people that
Speaker 1: I like to do that with, you know what I'm saying,
Speaker 1: because then executing is simpler when we break it down
Speaker 1: a smaller task, right. And and you know the maturity
Speaker 1: of what was happening with the mixtapes was preparing us
Speaker 1: for a record, right, so boom, you know, TYLERB has
Speaker 1: this this Blacksmith record right in print with Cory, I believe, right,
Speaker 1: So they approached Phil Phil you know, brought the opportunity
Speaker 1: to the group. Oh yeah, I just I just I
Speaker 1: just I shot it down. I didn't feel like there
Speaker 1: was enough, you know for us to accomplish the kind
Speaker 1: of record that we wanted, right, So I went to
Speaker 1: New York and then I was collecting music for us
Speaker 1: to do a strong, steady record. Right, if we're going
Speaker 1: to do it, you might as well do it independently
Speaker 1: with us, you know what I'm saying, and then work
Speaker 1: for a bigger situation. You know, at least we can
Speaker 1: all kind of carve out what we need, you know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. I carved it out, came back from uh,
Speaker 1: you know, because I had just you know, I turned
Speaker 1: it down, right, So somehow it was explained to them
Speaker 1: that I turned it down, But that didn't mean they
Speaker 1: couldn't they they they they can still take it, and
Speaker 1: they did. And I just felt as though, like, guys,
Speaker 1: you know, like you know, after after investing in what
Speaker 1: we invested in and going around the world and doing
Speaker 1: all these things, you know, I think you just trust
Speaker 1: me a little bit, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2: Did you guys ever, did you ever get to a
Speaker 2: good place with those guys? Ever again. Yeah, yeah, doing
Speaker 2: some acting and.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah it's a shame because we had such a
Speaker 1: great momentum and you know, they they killed it.
Speaker 2: They put out one album. I don't know if it
Speaker 2: was on Blacksmith or not, but it was fucking crazy.
Speaker 2: But it's it's crazy too because it's like, damn dude,
Speaker 2: Like Phil was so fire. I remember that. I remember
Speaker 2: that the solo song he had on Expansion Team on
Speaker 2: the Dilated album was so fucking tough.
Speaker 3: For sure.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he had a unique voice, and uh, you know
Speaker 1: he's still ill. I think he's still moving right now.
Speaker 1: I think I just saw something when he's he's got coming.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's crazy. I remember like when I moved to
Speaker 2: l A, Like one of the guys that wanted the
Speaker 2: interview was Tofari and I got him on like when
Speaker 2: I was I'm still at Real ninety two three, but
Speaker 2: when I was like actually working there and not contracted there,
Speaker 2: I had him pulled up to the show and I
Speaker 2: was like, yo.
Speaker 3: Defar.
Speaker 2: At the Faria album. He's in front of the forum.
Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, focus, daily, focused days so fucking good. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Do you know if THEFARII ever got to because it
Speaker 2: felt damn near like he was like after math ish
Speaker 2: for a sec.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I was trying to listen.
Speaker 2: Was he a Tommy boy?
Speaker 3: I signed him? Okay, I signed him the open bar.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, that's right.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I signed him. And then we got close.
Speaker 2: I mean, you guys never did an album.
Speaker 3: Though, I never did it, he said.
Speaker 1: After Restless came out and there was a pamphlet inside,
Speaker 1: it was like coming soon.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I remember, yeah, I got the album and I
Speaker 2: was like, you.
Speaker 1: Don't have an album ready yet. And at the time,
Speaker 1: we're the same age. So if he would have heard
Speaker 1: that from anyone else, it would have resonated because I
Speaker 1: said it, all right, I'm as peer and and and we.
Speaker 3: Had you know, we had just got done.
Speaker 1: He just got done and off the excitement and adrenaline
Speaker 1: of me putting out the Restless record, and he's involved
Speaker 1: in that, he want to come right now. I was like, listen,
Speaker 1: we still got a lot of building to do off
Speaker 1: this record, and while we're doing the building off this record,
Speaker 1: you can be recording the record that you want. He's like, no,
Speaker 1: I'm ready to go right now. I was like, all right,
Speaker 1: just all right, well, let me off the label. Okay,
Speaker 1: there you go.
Speaker 2: Could have well, could have that's another what if? That's
Speaker 2: another what if? Like what if? Like that's the Thefari album.
Speaker 3: I wanted to be here for sure. Yeah yeah, but
Speaker 3: we were hot headed at the time.
Speaker 2: And you feel like you because I feel like, uh,
Speaker 2: you know, were you like a hot headed guy during
Speaker 2: that Oh yeah, like you have like anger issues?
Speaker 3: Would you say absolutely? Yeah? Yes, listen to those records.
Speaker 2: I know, I know, I felt like the exhibit in
Speaker 2: my head. I just thought this food must just work
Speaker 2: out and drink. I didn't even know what a triangular
Speaker 2: push up was exhibiting.
Speaker 3: I want kick in the screaming, that's what, that's what.
Speaker 3: But it was good. I got I got that ship out.
Speaker 2: No, that's fucking crazy man. Shout out to Dafari. Do
Speaker 2: you still talk to any of like the the Licks
Speaker 2: or any of those guys.
Speaker 1: Yeah, shout out to shout out to, Shout out to
Speaker 1: East West, shout out to j row King, t uh
Speaker 1: you know, the far right, the whole team, you know,
Speaker 1: rest in peace, beefin biggo Bee, bigga Bee?
Speaker 2: Was was that the that's not biggo Bee's not.
Speaker 3: The uh let's chase infinitus brother?
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, Chase Infinite is doing this thing man, absolutely
Speaker 2: behind the scenes, becoming a real legend on He's.
Speaker 3: An executive and we need to protect him at all costs.
Speaker 2: An executive fucking like he's cooking. Yeah, yeah, he's a
Speaker 2: boss for you. Man. Do you feel like this album
Speaker 2: scratches the itch? Or are you like, Yo, I'm back?
Speaker 3: But are you? Are you like?
Speaker 2: Because because the thing is is this is twelve years later,
Speaker 2: thirteen years later probably prosiputs or no that I mean
Speaker 2: so like, like you said, you're you're involved in music, right,
Speaker 2: like you're still doing stuff, but like, are you gonna
Speaker 2: have to wait thirteen years for another exhibit album? Are
Speaker 2: you like, do you feel like you're back in the
Speaker 2: game now because this out of work when it drops? Men,
Speaker 2: it's crazy.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think, Thank you man, I appreciate it. I
Speaker 1: feel invigorated, I feel I feel I do that To
Speaker 1: answer your question, yes, I feel like the void has
Speaker 1: been filled with this project.
Speaker 3: I'm going to.
Speaker 1: Go and put my best foot forward in promoting and
Speaker 1: getting in front of the people and presenting this album
Speaker 1: the way it's supposed to be presented. That's I'm I'm
Speaker 1: dedicating my time and energy to that that's.
Speaker 3: Going to happen.
Speaker 1: But as far as what's going to happen with the
Speaker 1: next one and the next one and the next one,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna take a case by case.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: I think it's called king Maker for people who don't know, yes, yes,
Speaker 2: what what? Why that name?
Speaker 1: Well, king Maker was decided because it has nothing to
Speaker 1: do with royalty or riches or any of that kind
Speaker 1: of you know, stereotypical thought of kings. My meaning behind
Speaker 1: it is it's a transfer of information. This is about
Speaker 1: the things that have made me successful, the consistencies, the
Speaker 1: self discipline, the ups, the downs, you know, my definition
Speaker 1: of things in the most entertaining way possible that I
Speaker 1: could see. Right, there's some bucket list items on here, Yeah,
Speaker 1: that I've always wanted to do, haven't been able to
Speaker 1: do it until now, big, big records that you know
Speaker 1: are very.
Speaker 3: True to form, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: Definitely Yeah, Yeah, And I feel like I'm I feel
Speaker 1: like I said, I find my voice. I've been able to,
Speaker 1: you know, put things in a way that I feel
Speaker 1: very comfortable with and I feel are unique and I
Speaker 1: feel good. I feel like you could it can be
Speaker 1: put up against any music just out right now?
Speaker 2: I agree. Can you talk to me. You've had so many,
Speaker 2: like you said, you've gone through you speak about some
Speaker 2: of the stuff on the album, whether it's some of
Speaker 2: your family stuff being on the tabloids or I mean,
Speaker 2: I mean, damn, twenty years ago now you know you
Speaker 2: got to an altercation that was why you got a
Speaker 2: scar on your face. Now you've had some crazy like
Speaker 2: lows as well as crazy highs. Can you tell me, like,
Speaker 2: just like, has there been a moment because I feel like,
Speaker 2: you know, you've grown as a man over the years
Speaker 2: to the point where, like you said, like this album
Speaker 2: is like a transfer of information. Was there like a
Speaker 2: point in time where you felt like you had like
Speaker 2: an awakening where maybe you were like in a low
Speaker 2: place where you kind of like you you really kind
Speaker 2: of had to only depend on yourself to dig yourself
Speaker 2: out of it. Because with that shit comes a lot
Speaker 2: of growth.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Absolutely, I think it's a combination of things. You know,
Speaker 1: you know, your family stuff has always found stuff.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 1: I think when you start losing your parents and your
Speaker 1: grandparents and all that stuff, you know that that's that's
Speaker 1: it happens to everyone. But then you know, like when
Speaker 1: you lose a child or something like that. That's a
Speaker 1: that's a heavy one, right, So that's what that's what
Speaker 1: happened to me. And you know, I think also the divorce,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying, it was just like a
Speaker 1: series of really horrible events, you know that that just
Speaker 1: kind of put me in a really dark place. So
Speaker 1: I would really feel like, you know, being able to
Speaker 1: get back to music was another reason why I needed
Speaker 1: to be able to find that outlet again.
Speaker 2: You know, did you I can only imagine, you know,
Speaker 2: losing a kid. That's the ultimate you know, the ultimate thing.
Speaker 2: It's ultimate nightmare.
Speaker 3: It's not the natural order of things.
Speaker 2: Do you like, was it was it therapy that helped
Speaker 2: you get through that? Or was there anything you were
Speaker 2: able to douse? I can't even I mean, I can't
Speaker 2: even imagine. Bro Like, like, how do you how do
Speaker 2: you know, grieve?
Speaker 3: You got a grief.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you gotta go, you gotta grieve, and you gotta
Speaker 1: talk about it and you gotta you know, realize what
Speaker 1: that means and you know, and yeah, it's it's it's
Speaker 1: one of the things, you know, but death is an
Speaker 1: our natural part of life, and you know, you you
Speaker 1: you don't you don't forget, but you know you definitely grow. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you know, and I think that you know, being in
Speaker 1: that dark place, you know, you have two options. Either
Speaker 1: you can stay there, or you can and die there,
Speaker 1: or you can stand up and fucking go forward and
Speaker 1: see you know what life has to offer.
Speaker 2: Yeah, because I mean it is I'm sure very easy
Speaker 2: to stay in that place.
Speaker 1: Yeah, people to lie down and self and self loathing.
Speaker 1: But that ain't that ain't where it's at. You know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying.
Speaker 3: It's it's easy to die, it's hard to live. You know.
Speaker 2: I always wonder, like, uh, you having like a public
Speaker 2: to divorce Dre had a public divorce? Is it because
Speaker 2: I've never I mean, I'm in I'm married right now.
Speaker 2: Shot to my wife. Uh, shot to my wife. But
Speaker 2: I'm saying, like, but I want to like when you
Speaker 2: get on the other side of that divorce, Like I
Speaker 2: feel like we when when you're married, right, there's so
Speaker 2: much of your like self identification that's dependent on like
Speaker 2: this relationship, right, and then even like what your kids
Speaker 2: might think or you know, so much was it like
Speaker 2: the dynamics of getting over that and like being sleeping
Speaker 2: alone at night again, you know what I mean, and
Speaker 2: not necessarily having like uh, like your fault, like you
Speaker 2: don't have the like really knowing the answer to I
Speaker 2: suppose was that easy to get used to? Would you say, yeah,
Speaker 2: like I'm just gonna go yeah, yeah, yes, like what
Speaker 2: do I want to do today? Whatever the funk?
Speaker 3: I was like that.
Speaker 1: It wasn't like right, But you know, here's the things
Speaker 1: you know, I think you have to You have to
Speaker 1: be true to yourself. Let me start there. You got
Speaker 1: to be true to yourself. I watched my father staying
Speaker 1: in a broken, unhappy marriage.
Speaker 3: And I saw his outcome.
Speaker 1: And we've had long talks about this. He you know,
Speaker 1: he stayed way past what he was. It did a
Speaker 1: lot of damage internally to the family. I didn't want that.
Speaker 1: I knew where I was, I knew where she was,
Speaker 1: and I couldn't. I couldn't you know what.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's like past the point in or return.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and you know, like even going to therapy, you know.
Speaker 2: That couple's therapy trying to save it.
Speaker 1: I want to I want a couple of times, you
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. But I mean it was like
Speaker 1: the lady was like you know I shouldn't be saying this,
Speaker 1: but I'm just saying anyway.
Speaker 3: The lady was like, so, uh, how do you feel?
Speaker 3: I was like, you know, how do you feel about
Speaker 3: being married? I'm like, I don't want to be agreed,
Speaker 3: There's nothing wrong with me, you know what I'm.
Speaker 2: Saying, Like, maybe I just don't want to Yeah, I.
Speaker 3: Don't want to be married. Yeah, to her like.
Speaker 2: Like we're better apart.
Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly exactly. It was it was you know, it was.
Speaker 1: It was time. There was there was it was time.
Speaker 2: I mean, hey that I think that. I feel like
Speaker 2: a lot of people, like you said, like are like
Speaker 2: your dad, like they hang on Yeah, and look, it's
Speaker 2: not good.
Speaker 1: It's not good for anyone. And and I didn't want
Speaker 1: my youngest to be to see that tension in me
Speaker 1: all the time or know that something's in.
Speaker 2: There, something about it.
Speaker 3: Now he's conditioned to live that way.
Speaker 1: That makes sense, right, right, So that's that's I think
Speaker 1: that's the And then and then on top of it,
Speaker 1: you add that you know things are being put out
Speaker 1: in the fucking internet or whatever. You know, now everybody's
Speaker 1: in your business, but don't know ship for sure. You
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying, you know, but you know, it's
Speaker 1: it's how you portrayed this, how what you fed you know.
Speaker 1: But you know, I've I've I've lost contact with you know,
Speaker 1: a significant about of people connected with that, and that's okay.
Speaker 2: That's fine. Yeah, you are also kind of one of
Speaker 2: the I would say, like one of the guys who
Speaker 2: I looked kind of kicked off the h being involved
Speaker 2: in the marijuana industry while being a hip hop artist
Speaker 2: thing that's happening. I mean, you were behind some really
Speaker 2: successful brands that ended up I think you told me earlier.
Speaker 2: I won't say that I want to give them any light,
Speaker 2: but you but I mean, shit, I remember you had
Speaker 2: the grenades with the fucking giant, fat ass, fucking napalm
Speaker 2: fucking pre roll in it. What is the latest with
Speaker 2: you in the weed game?
Speaker 1: Well, we stopped our California production of napalm, so manufacturing, right,
Speaker 1: just shut that down. I think it's a really competitive market.
Speaker 2: It's sure, it's a tough market, right, it is, it is,
Speaker 2: and the bougiest smokers in the world are here.
Speaker 1: Right, So you know, I just parked napon for the moment,
Speaker 1: and now I have two dispensaries it's like, you know,
Speaker 1: instead of building one or two brands, which I've done,
Speaker 1: why not sell everybody.
Speaker 2: Ship and then you're not So I always here, I
Speaker 2: always hear. The hardest part of the weed uh process
Speaker 2: is the cultivation.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, but but I mean it's it's like when
Speaker 1: you don't know what you're doing.
Speaker 2: Shout out to the homie from Harden like Dane, Yeah, absolutely,
Speaker 2: like they're uh, they don't grow any of them, they're
Speaker 2: just selling everybody ship.
Speaker 1: Correct, And so we we you know, we definitely have
Speaker 1: a have a foothold and on the culture and and
Speaker 1: and the blueprint of of what our DNA is and
Speaker 1: with the culture, so being able to translate that into
Speaker 1: a store is for the stores. The first store in
Speaker 1: bel Air, second stores in Chatsworth got the valid in
Speaker 1: the value right, So you know we've been exhibits West
Speaker 1: Coast Cannabis fucking record deal and want more logo on
Speaker 1: the building.
Speaker 2: Do you still have your og X chain, like the
Speaker 2: chain from like ninety nine.
Speaker 3: Yes, I do have it?
Speaker 2: You do?
Speaker 3: I do have it? Yes?
Speaker 2: I told I told you I was. I was like, yeah,
Speaker 2: bring the old logo bag, yeah, bring that chain back.
Speaker 3: Ship.
Speaker 2: So the new album's coming out in February. Yes, uh,
Speaker 2: it is incredible. Uh man, you got the Who's Who won?
Speaker 3: There? Yeah?
Speaker 2: Man, for sure.
Speaker 3: It's a nice blend. It's a nice mixture.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a nice mixture. And I feel like you
Speaker 2: know any of the Oh and then your son's rapping, yes,
Speaker 2: and he's rapping capital Yes, So your kid is like
Speaker 2: is he like rapping?
Speaker 3: Rapping?
Speaker 2: Like, is this like something he's pursuing.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, he's been. He's been making music since high school.
Speaker 2: Can you has him?
Speaker 5: Uh?
Speaker 2: You know, shout to the homie Chris Rivers. Have they
Speaker 2: worked together him in Punsa?
Speaker 3: Yes? I had Chris Rivers out here.
Speaker 2: Chris River's a beast.
Speaker 3: He is a beast. He's a beast. Yeah, he's a beast.
Speaker 3: You know. Trey Capitol my son. He's twenty nine now.
Speaker 2: So that's just named Tree Capitol Tree Capital. Oh ship,
Speaker 2: that's fine. Yeah. I was like, Yo, who's this You're
Speaker 2: like it's my son?
Speaker 3: Yeah? Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 1: He's on a song on a Kingmaker album called End
Speaker 1: of the Day Dope.
Speaker 2: That's super dope. I feel like him and Inhale should
Speaker 2: do a song be Dope. Nate Dogg's kid is sick.
Speaker 3: Yeah, hell yeah in Hell shout out to in Hell.
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, And like you've been running it up doing
Speaker 2: a lot of show shot to Bobby. I feel like, man,
Speaker 2: I feel like every three months in Ontario there's just
Speaker 2: this like fucking summer jam, and then it goes to
Speaker 2: like Bakersfield and then it goes to like.
Speaker 3: And you're like, come on, man, look look we got.
Speaker 2: Like the show that just happened. Oh my god, it's
Speaker 2: that ship was crazy.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: But we we have we have we have dedicated people
Speaker 1: that love what we do. They love the artistic you know,
Speaker 1: you know, things that we put out, and they dedicated.
Speaker 1: They come to the shows, they support us. We love
Speaker 1: our fans. The people that come to these shows up
Speaker 1: and down the coast, all the way to the Midwest,
Speaker 1: all the way to the East coast, like we still
Speaker 1: doing arenas, we're still doing stadium shows.
Speaker 3: Is incredible.
Speaker 2: Great to see. Man. Well, look the album is out.
Speaker 2: You got some songs that are out right now, videos
Speaker 2: that are going crazy. I'm sure we'll get more details
Speaker 2: on the album.
Speaker 3: Yes, yes, soon to come back. We'll come back after
Speaker 3: it drops.
Speaker 2: Exhibit I appreciate you, man, that's all love all right,