1 00:00:06,920 --> 00:00:10,080 Speaker 1: Before they went to Tyra Banks to replace me. 2 00:00:10,520 --> 00:00:14,920 Speaker 2: They went to you, right, yes, but in full transparency. 3 00:00:15,000 --> 00:00:17,400 Speaker 2: I was told you were leaving. 4 00:00:17,960 --> 00:00:19,280 Speaker 1: They had to. They fired me. 5 00:00:21,800 --> 00:00:24,680 Speaker 2: All right. Today on the Bobbycast, I'm talking to Tom Bergeron, 6 00:00:25,160 --> 00:00:27,639 Speaker 2: who was a longtime hosted Dancing with the Stars. We 7 00:00:27,680 --> 00:00:29,200 Speaker 2: have a bit of a history. As I was on 8 00:00:29,280 --> 00:00:31,840 Speaker 2: Dancing with the Stars, I won the show. It was cool. 9 00:00:32,159 --> 00:00:34,839 Speaker 2: I love Tom Bergeron and there was a clip of 10 00:00:34,920 --> 00:00:37,720 Speaker 2: him in an interview and the interviewer asked him, Hey, 11 00:00:37,760 --> 00:00:41,640 Speaker 2: who's the most surprising elimination and he said, I don't 12 00:00:41,640 --> 00:00:43,519 Speaker 2: have that, but I'll tell you the person that I 13 00:00:43,560 --> 00:00:45,720 Speaker 2: was surprised one, and then he mentioned me, and then 14 00:00:45,760 --> 00:00:47,639 Speaker 2: I got all hurt. I got my feelings hurt, sent 15 00:00:47,680 --> 00:00:49,839 Speaker 2: the Mirabal Trophy back. It was a whole thing. But 16 00:00:49,920 --> 00:00:52,239 Speaker 2: I never stopped loving Tom Bergeron. And this is the 17 00:00:52,280 --> 00:00:55,160 Speaker 2: first time that we had spoken since then. We waited 18 00:00:55,360 --> 00:00:58,120 Speaker 2: and had the conversation right here for you guys. He's 19 00:00:58,120 --> 00:01:01,040 Speaker 2: a two time Emmy winner again and longtime hosted Dancing 20 00:01:01,080 --> 00:01:04,200 Speaker 2: with the Stars, America's Funniest Videos. You know, he did 21 00:01:04,280 --> 00:01:06,600 Speaker 2: radio way back in the day and then he's that 22 00:01:06,800 --> 00:01:10,199 Speaker 2: guy now on television so I do love him, even 23 00:01:10,240 --> 00:01:14,000 Speaker 2: if he went Bobby Vallance here, he is the great 24 00:01:14,360 --> 00:01:16,959 Speaker 2: Tom Berger on. I want to leave with the first question, 25 00:01:17,000 --> 00:01:17,640 Speaker 2: why do you hate me? 26 00:01:17,920 --> 00:01:20,440 Speaker 1: Now here's the thing. I don't know if you give 27 00:01:20,880 --> 00:01:23,280 Speaker 1: I don't know if you give titles to these podcasts, 28 00:01:23,360 --> 00:01:26,080 Speaker 1: but in my mind the title for this one is 29 00:01:26,640 --> 00:01:28,479 Speaker 1: Friendship clean up on Aisle two. 30 00:01:29,200 --> 00:01:32,080 Speaker 2: Yeah, I love you. I never have stopped loving. 31 00:01:31,840 --> 00:01:35,200 Speaker 1: You, you know, and I feel the same about you. 32 00:01:35,360 --> 00:01:41,039 Speaker 1: And I felt terrible that the way I phrased my 33 00:01:41,360 --> 00:01:46,200 Speaker 1: honest surprise at your win. I think the question to 34 00:01:46,240 --> 00:01:50,880 Speaker 1: me was what's the most shocking elimination do you remember? 35 00:01:50,920 --> 00:01:53,760 Speaker 1: And I honestly I'm at the point where I hide 36 00:01:53,760 --> 00:01:57,680 Speaker 1: my own Easter eggs, so I couldn't remember a shocking elimination. 37 00:01:57,800 --> 00:02:00,160 Speaker 1: And I wish I had said, well, this was in 38 00:02:00,160 --> 00:02:04,240 Speaker 1: a shock, but it was a surprise when Bobby Booms won. 39 00:02:04,320 --> 00:02:07,400 Speaker 1: And I have to show you because I rewatched that moment. 40 00:02:08,360 --> 00:02:14,520 Speaker 1: This is your face. I wasn't the only one surprised Bobby, 41 00:02:16,080 --> 00:02:19,600 Speaker 1: so you know. But the fact that it hurt your 42 00:02:19,639 --> 00:02:23,720 Speaker 1: feelings and that you sent your trophy back, I felt 43 00:02:23,800 --> 00:02:24,600 Speaker 1: terrible about that. 44 00:02:25,240 --> 00:02:29,160 Speaker 2: I was right out of a surgery, and I've what's 45 00:02:29,200 --> 00:02:31,120 Speaker 2: funny is I've not talked about this because so many 46 00:02:31,120 --> 00:02:33,519 Speaker 2: people have called and asked me about it. But I've 47 00:02:33,560 --> 00:02:36,000 Speaker 2: said in every interview, I've said I love Tom Bergern, 48 00:02:37,160 --> 00:02:40,440 Speaker 2: so that's never changed. But I had ankle surgery the 49 00:02:40,480 --> 00:02:42,400 Speaker 2: day before, and I really think I was messed up 50 00:02:42,440 --> 00:02:45,080 Speaker 2: on paying medicine. I think that was a big factor 51 00:02:45,160 --> 00:02:47,640 Speaker 2: in everything that I did and how I reacted. And 52 00:02:47,720 --> 00:02:50,520 Speaker 2: I watched it back again right before the interview to 53 00:02:50,560 --> 00:02:56,120 Speaker 2: see how it felt. And I think what hurt was you. 54 00:02:56,480 --> 00:02:59,440 Speaker 2: I wasn't even asked about and maybe just in your 55 00:02:59,440 --> 00:03:01,399 Speaker 2: head it was so shock you thought the rules need 56 00:03:01,400 --> 00:03:03,000 Speaker 2: to be changed because I won the show. 57 00:03:03,320 --> 00:03:06,639 Speaker 1: Well, I'll tell you, in all honesty, I knew in 58 00:03:06,720 --> 00:03:09,720 Speaker 1: the moment that as I think I even said to you, 59 00:03:09,800 --> 00:03:13,440 Speaker 1: because I watched it again and I said, as I 60 00:03:13,480 --> 00:03:15,359 Speaker 1: was handing you in chart of the trophy, I said, 61 00:03:15,360 --> 00:03:19,080 Speaker 1: you're the people's champion, and that was true. And it 62 00:03:19,160 --> 00:03:24,359 Speaker 1: was true because understandably you were able to get your 63 00:03:24,480 --> 00:03:29,160 Speaker 1: radio audience to vote en mass for you. I knew, 64 00:03:29,160 --> 00:03:32,839 Speaker 1: though the producer part of my brain knew that this 65 00:03:32,880 --> 00:03:38,760 Speaker 1: will probably cause the show and the real producers to 66 00:03:38,960 --> 00:03:43,400 Speaker 1: give the judges a bit more of the sway, so 67 00:03:44,040 --> 00:03:46,760 Speaker 1: you know, in all kendery, you want according to the 68 00:03:46,840 --> 00:03:50,119 Speaker 1: rules of the show at the time, but I knew 69 00:03:50,200 --> 00:03:52,119 Speaker 1: that something would change, and it did. 70 00:03:53,480 --> 00:03:56,200 Speaker 2: And my argument with the rules changing was there just 71 00:03:56,400 --> 00:04:02,560 Speaker 2: wasn't another example, really pre post of my lightning in 72 00:04:02,600 --> 00:04:04,880 Speaker 2: a bottle scenario. So I didn't feel like it really 73 00:04:04,920 --> 00:04:07,720 Speaker 2: demanded a rule change because it hadn't happened a couple 74 00:04:07,800 --> 00:04:10,560 Speaker 2: or three times out of five. It was such a 75 00:04:11,360 --> 00:04:16,320 Speaker 2: weird and wild season and I knew that, and I 76 00:04:16,720 --> 00:04:19,520 Speaker 2: gave it everything I had, Like I was working full time, 77 00:04:19,640 --> 00:04:22,400 Speaker 2: was training longer hours than anybody else because I was 78 00:04:22,400 --> 00:04:25,800 Speaker 2: so far behind. But I thought they shouldn't change the 79 00:04:25,880 --> 00:04:29,640 Speaker 2: rules because this happens once. It's such an outlier. And 80 00:04:29,680 --> 00:04:31,800 Speaker 2: what they did the next season was is they allowed 81 00:04:31,800 --> 00:04:33,599 Speaker 2: the judge to have a save, and I thought that 82 00:04:33,640 --> 00:04:35,840 Speaker 2: was good anyway. I didn't mind that anyway, But I 83 00:04:35,839 --> 00:04:37,599 Speaker 2: do take pride in making them change the. 84 00:04:37,640 --> 00:04:44,599 Speaker 1: Rules as you should. As you should, Yeah, you were 85 00:04:44,640 --> 00:04:48,279 Speaker 1: the precedent. I mean, they didn't have outlies, but you 86 00:04:48,320 --> 00:04:52,839 Speaker 1: know they were responding to again, in all candor, a 87 00:04:52,920 --> 00:04:57,320 Speaker 1: significant response from a certain section of the audience and 88 00:04:57,720 --> 00:04:59,840 Speaker 1: felt that they need to give the judges a little 89 00:04:59,839 --> 00:05:04,480 Speaker 1: bit it more in the total process. So that's how 90 00:05:04,520 --> 00:05:05,200 Speaker 1: it played out. 91 00:05:05,680 --> 00:05:07,760 Speaker 2: I felt it was a good look for a couple 92 00:05:07,760 --> 00:05:09,520 Speaker 2: of things. I thought it was a good look for 93 00:05:09,560 --> 00:05:12,320 Speaker 2: anybody in the audio medium. So all my podcast listeners, 94 00:05:12,360 --> 00:05:14,560 Speaker 2: all my radio listeners that they're that dedicated to long 95 00:05:14,600 --> 00:05:18,119 Speaker 2: form content, right to anybody that speaks in long form content. 96 00:05:18,160 --> 00:05:21,680 Speaker 2: There's a relationship. And it's frankly how this podcast ended 97 00:05:21,760 --> 00:05:23,520 Speaker 2: up on Netflix, right. We had such a following that 98 00:05:23,560 --> 00:05:27,160 Speaker 2: Netflix is like, we want that podcast, and so there 99 00:05:27,240 --> 00:05:29,720 Speaker 2: is such a because I didn't have as many Instagram 100 00:05:29,720 --> 00:05:31,799 Speaker 2: followers as a bunch of the people on the show. 101 00:05:32,160 --> 00:05:36,000 Speaker 2: You know, there was Alexis Wren who had millions because 102 00:05:36,000 --> 00:05:38,560 Speaker 2: that was her thing. There was a few people that 103 00:05:38,640 --> 00:05:41,440 Speaker 2: had more social media. But social media doesn't have the 104 00:05:41,520 --> 00:05:45,160 Speaker 2: connection of long form audio. And I thought it was 105 00:05:45,240 --> 00:05:46,960 Speaker 2: a testament and I think now we're seeing that with 106 00:05:47,000 --> 00:05:50,400 Speaker 2: podcasts to the relationship that somebody has in long form 107 00:05:50,480 --> 00:05:53,960 Speaker 2: audio medium and how they feel they know them and 108 00:05:54,000 --> 00:05:57,000 Speaker 2: we'll you know, follow them places, we'll buy products that 109 00:05:57,040 --> 00:05:58,600 Speaker 2: they are honest about. I thought it was a good 110 00:05:58,600 --> 00:05:59,000 Speaker 2: look for that. 111 00:05:59,240 --> 00:06:04,960 Speaker 1: Yeah, and this was if my chronological memory is accurate, 112 00:06:05,040 --> 00:06:07,680 Speaker 1: this is what twenty eighteen that you wont. 113 00:06:07,720 --> 00:06:10,240 Speaker 2: That sounds about right, twenty eighteen, that's about right. Yeah. 114 00:06:10,320 --> 00:06:12,360 Speaker 1: So you know, we've come a long way in terms 115 00:06:12,400 --> 00:06:14,360 Speaker 1: of what social media is. And you can look at 116 00:06:14,400 --> 00:06:16,760 Speaker 1: the show. I just did the twentieth anniversary show with 117 00:06:16,800 --> 00:06:20,440 Speaker 1: them in November, and you know, most of the kind 118 00:06:20,440 --> 00:06:23,120 Speaker 1: of bookings they're doing now, not all of them, but 119 00:06:23,440 --> 00:06:26,680 Speaker 1: a good number of them are influencers, you know, through 120 00:06:27,400 --> 00:06:32,120 Speaker 1: social media that's taken on a weight that it didn't 121 00:06:32,200 --> 00:06:34,760 Speaker 1: have even as recently as twenty eighteen. 122 00:06:35,640 --> 00:06:38,000 Speaker 2: It was a fun year. And what it else it 123 00:06:38,040 --> 00:06:40,280 Speaker 2: helped me do was I had like a ton of 124 00:06:40,320 --> 00:06:43,239 Speaker 2: television offers because people were like, we didn't know people cared. 125 00:06:43,360 --> 00:06:47,719 Speaker 1: Let's address that because I think we both, in separate 126 00:06:47,760 --> 00:06:53,400 Speaker 1: appearances on Cheryl Burke's former podcast, talked about this. Before 127 00:06:53,440 --> 00:06:57,000 Speaker 1: they went to Tyra Banks to replace me, they went 128 00:06:57,040 --> 00:06:57,320 Speaker 1: to you. 129 00:06:57,960 --> 00:07:03,880 Speaker 2: Right, yes, but in transparency, I was told you were leaving. 130 00:07:04,240 --> 00:07:07,960 Speaker 2: It wasn't I had to they fired me. Well, but 131 00:07:08,040 --> 00:07:10,600 Speaker 2: that was not the conversation that they had with me. 132 00:07:10,800 --> 00:07:13,280 Speaker 2: It was, hey, Tom is leaving. At the end of 133 00:07:13,280 --> 00:07:16,760 Speaker 2: this season, would you want to come and host Dancing 134 00:07:16,760 --> 00:07:21,400 Speaker 2: with Stars? And I said, I think that would be great, 135 00:07:21,680 --> 00:07:24,360 Speaker 2: but again, I like respected you so much. I was like, hey, 136 00:07:24,400 --> 00:07:26,400 Speaker 2: can I talk to Tom and like get advice on 137 00:07:26,440 --> 00:07:30,080 Speaker 2: this decision, and they were like, contractually, we don't think 138 00:07:30,120 --> 00:07:30,800 Speaker 2: you should do that. 139 00:07:31,480 --> 00:07:35,960 Speaker 1: They are such weasels sometimes, honest to god, you know. 140 00:07:36,960 --> 00:07:39,120 Speaker 2: I And then it didn't work out, and I found out. 141 00:07:39,120 --> 00:07:41,440 Speaker 2: I was on a driving range one day and I 142 00:07:41,480 --> 00:07:46,559 Speaker 2: had multiple conversations I would say deep, like like level 143 00:07:46,600 --> 00:07:48,920 Speaker 2: five conversations, and I thought it was getting pretty close. 144 00:07:49,080 --> 00:07:51,000 Speaker 2: And then I see a tweet come through Tyra Banks 145 00:07:51,040 --> 00:07:55,000 Speaker 2: as just signed on as and I went, what you know, 146 00:07:56,160 --> 00:07:59,800 Speaker 2: we walked through all of that and then out of 147 00:08:00,520 --> 00:08:02,160 Speaker 2: I never had it, so they didn't take it from me. 148 00:08:02,560 --> 00:08:07,160 Speaker 2: But every indication was I was going to be that guy. 149 00:08:07,640 --> 00:08:10,320 Speaker 2: But it's fleeting. That industry is so fleeting. 150 00:08:11,440 --> 00:08:15,240 Speaker 1: Yeah, and it was interesting. I mean the tweet I 151 00:08:15,320 --> 00:08:19,920 Speaker 1: was proudest of when I heard that Tyra Banks was 152 00:08:19,960 --> 00:08:22,480 Speaker 1: going to get the job. Of course, Tom Berger on 153 00:08:22,600 --> 00:08:25,640 Speaker 1: Tyra Banks, I tweeted, I guess I'm not getting back 154 00:08:25,760 --> 00:08:31,440 Speaker 1: my monogram towels. But you know that just sort of 155 00:08:31,560 --> 00:08:35,200 Speaker 1: underscores the kind of people and the character of the 156 00:08:35,200 --> 00:08:38,040 Speaker 1: people I was dealing with at the time that they 157 00:08:38,120 --> 00:08:42,160 Speaker 1: fired me and said to you, oh, contractually, you really 158 00:08:42,160 --> 00:08:44,440 Speaker 1: shouldn't talk to Tom about this because that would have 159 00:08:44,440 --> 00:08:45,280 Speaker 1: blown their cover. 160 00:08:45,960 --> 00:08:48,599 Speaker 2: Now looking back, I see that, But I really was like, 161 00:08:48,640 --> 00:08:50,440 Speaker 2: can I ask Tom for advice? And it was no, 162 00:08:50,640 --> 00:08:54,560 Speaker 2: we really shouldn't talk to him about that, because I 163 00:08:54,600 --> 00:08:58,000 Speaker 2: honestly had I was on American Idol and I was 164 00:08:58,960 --> 00:09:00,480 Speaker 2: I was going to do a nat Geo show, so 165 00:09:00,480 --> 00:09:01,800 Speaker 2: that was coming. I was going to a series on 166 00:09:01,800 --> 00:09:05,280 Speaker 2: that Geo and those were already lined up and in 167 00:09:05,320 --> 00:09:07,520 Speaker 2: that job, and I thought that would be fun if 168 00:09:07,559 --> 00:09:09,720 Speaker 2: I could make it work, because I love my time 169 00:09:09,760 --> 00:09:12,280 Speaker 2: on that show. I thought Aaron was awesome, you were 170 00:09:12,280 --> 00:09:14,440 Speaker 2: so kind to me, and I thought that would be 171 00:09:14,440 --> 00:09:16,480 Speaker 2: super fun to do. And then it was don't talk 172 00:09:16,520 --> 00:09:19,160 Speaker 2: to Tom, and then it was never mind. It wasn't 173 00:09:19,160 --> 00:09:20,559 Speaker 2: even never mind. I never got a call after I 174 00:09:20,559 --> 00:09:22,040 Speaker 2: didn't get it. That's what's crazy. 175 00:09:22,120 --> 00:09:25,280 Speaker 1: Yeah, that's tip that, given who was in charge of 176 00:09:25,480 --> 00:09:28,319 Speaker 1: decisions at the time, that doesn't surprise me at all. 177 00:09:29,160 --> 00:09:31,960 Speaker 1: And you know, had you reached out to me, I 178 00:09:31,960 --> 00:09:34,559 Speaker 1: would have told you to take it because even though 179 00:09:35,640 --> 00:09:40,800 Speaker 1: they didn't officially fire me until July of twenty twenty, right, 180 00:09:42,000 --> 00:09:44,880 Speaker 1: but I kind of knew. I mean, I was bumping 181 00:09:44,960 --> 00:09:49,440 Speaker 1: heads with the showrunner at the time. We had had 182 00:09:49,440 --> 00:09:53,480 Speaker 1: issues over bookings, promises were made and not kept, YadA YadA. 183 00:09:54,080 --> 00:09:56,160 Speaker 1: So I would have you know, I would have been 184 00:09:56,200 --> 00:09:58,160 Speaker 1: happy to talk to you about it and advised you 185 00:09:58,240 --> 00:10:00,880 Speaker 1: to take it, but I would have told you who 186 00:10:00,920 --> 00:10:01,840 Speaker 1: who to watch out for. 187 00:10:03,440 --> 00:10:05,280 Speaker 2: Was some of that because of the Sean Spicer or 188 00:10:05,360 --> 00:10:06,839 Speaker 2: was that the head of it that finally just made it? 189 00:10:06,960 --> 00:10:10,280 Speaker 1: You know, It's interesting. At the party after the twentieth 190 00:10:10,280 --> 00:10:15,600 Speaker 1: anniversary show, which was just amazing, Sean was at the 191 00:10:15,600 --> 00:10:18,760 Speaker 1: party and I went across the room to go up 192 00:10:18,760 --> 00:10:20,720 Speaker 1: to him, and I said, Sean, I just want to 193 00:10:20,840 --> 00:10:23,600 Speaker 1: let you know it was never about you. It was 194 00:10:23,679 --> 00:10:27,800 Speaker 1: about a political figure being on the show on the 195 00:10:27,880 --> 00:10:32,320 Speaker 1: cusp of an election. Year after the producers, in separate lunches, 196 00:10:33,000 --> 00:10:35,960 Speaker 1: won the BBC guy and won the showrunner who got 197 00:10:35,960 --> 00:10:38,240 Speaker 1: fired not long after me. Because karma is a bit. 198 00:10:39,960 --> 00:10:43,040 Speaker 1: They had promised, oh yeah, oh, you're so right, we 199 00:10:43,080 --> 00:10:46,960 Speaker 1: shouldn't do political figures, and this showrunner when he was 200 00:10:46,960 --> 00:10:50,199 Speaker 1: telling me over the phone who was booked. Just before 201 00:10:50,240 --> 00:10:52,319 Speaker 1: he got to Seawn's name, he said, you might want 202 00:10:52,360 --> 00:10:56,439 Speaker 1: to sit down for this, so he already knew my 203 00:10:56,640 --> 00:11:00,960 Speaker 1: reaction based on our previous conversation wasn't going to be 204 00:11:01,040 --> 00:11:03,960 Speaker 1: that great. But I wanted Sean to know at that 205 00:11:04,120 --> 00:11:07,280 Speaker 1: party that it wasn't about him, It was about the 206 00:11:07,320 --> 00:11:11,400 Speaker 1: broken promise. So Sean said, at that point, can we 207 00:11:11,559 --> 00:11:14,800 Speaker 1: take a picture together? So I put my arm around him, 208 00:11:15,000 --> 00:11:17,880 Speaker 1: and I said this is going to blow people's minds, 209 00:11:18,440 --> 00:11:20,920 Speaker 1: and that we had a picture taken so that it 210 00:11:21,040 --> 00:11:25,840 Speaker 1: was not him, it was the political sphere at the time. 211 00:11:26,600 --> 00:11:28,720 Speaker 2: I want to ask you a question about Hollywood in general. 212 00:11:29,400 --> 00:11:33,080 Speaker 2: I've stayed out there, but I've lived out there in sections, 213 00:11:33,120 --> 00:11:35,959 Speaker 2: and you know, I've done an okay amount of TV work, 214 00:11:36,000 --> 00:11:38,160 Speaker 2: nothing compared to you. But it feels like when I 215 00:11:38,200 --> 00:11:41,840 Speaker 2: go into these rooms, they are telling me it doesn't 216 00:11:41,880 --> 00:11:45,000 Speaker 2: matter what room, what network. They are telling me, yeah, 217 00:11:45,000 --> 00:11:45,880 Speaker 2: you want to show, what show? 218 00:11:45,880 --> 00:11:46,320 Speaker 1: Do you want? 219 00:11:46,440 --> 00:11:48,520 Speaker 2: You want a building named after you want ten million dollars? 220 00:11:48,520 --> 00:11:51,600 Speaker 2: Like I leave every room Tom thinking that I'm about 221 00:11:51,640 --> 00:11:53,880 Speaker 2: to host the network, not a show. They made me 222 00:11:53,920 --> 00:11:55,920 Speaker 2: feel like I'm about to get every sin, then I 223 00:11:56,080 --> 00:11:59,160 Speaker 2: leave and I never hear from them again. Is that common? 224 00:12:00,280 --> 00:12:02,079 Speaker 1: Is bullshit common in Hollywood? Yeah? 225 00:12:02,080 --> 00:12:04,400 Speaker 2: And it feels like it's everywhere, and it's super positive, 226 00:12:04,480 --> 00:12:06,800 Speaker 2: so much so that you believe you're getting every job. 227 00:12:08,000 --> 00:12:11,840 Speaker 1: I mean, you know, actors aren't just on screen. A 228 00:12:11,840 --> 00:12:16,040 Speaker 1: lot of them are in offices. So you know, I 229 00:12:16,640 --> 00:12:20,480 Speaker 1: come from New England. I grew up in Massachusetts and 230 00:12:20,679 --> 00:12:23,960 Speaker 1: did radio TV in New Hampshire and Massachusetts and such. 231 00:12:25,280 --> 00:12:28,200 Speaker 1: And I don't want to overgeneralize about those of us 232 00:12:28,200 --> 00:12:30,800 Speaker 1: from New England, but I think we tend to. I 233 00:12:30,840 --> 00:12:33,960 Speaker 1: think that's where the eyebrow came from. You know, we're 234 00:12:33,960 --> 00:12:39,520 Speaker 1: a little skeptical about things on face value. So you 235 00:12:39,520 --> 00:12:43,640 Speaker 1: know I was aware of that, you know, because everybody's 236 00:12:43,679 --> 00:12:48,080 Speaker 1: your best friend. But I kind of go through my 237 00:12:48,200 --> 00:12:54,640 Speaker 1: own process of deciding whether this is legitimate emotion or 238 00:12:54,760 --> 00:12:55,720 Speaker 1: just BS emotion. 239 00:12:56,920 --> 00:13:02,200 Speaker 2: I once was in a network president's the literal president 240 00:13:02,240 --> 00:13:05,520 Speaker 2: of the network, and he was telling me The context 241 00:13:05,559 --> 00:13:08,560 Speaker 2: clues will probably give away who was He was telling me, Hey, 242 00:13:08,559 --> 00:13:11,360 Speaker 2: look I made Jeff Probst, You're the next guy up, 243 00:13:11,800 --> 00:13:14,360 Speaker 2: and I'm going it was less. It was less. 244 00:13:14,440 --> 00:13:16,920 Speaker 1: Yeah, No, it's less mood does yeah, and I'm. 245 00:13:16,800 --> 00:13:18,800 Speaker 2: Going really like I was just coming because of some 246 00:13:18,920 --> 00:13:21,000 Speaker 2: random show that they said, hey, we be purfofore And 247 00:13:21,640 --> 00:13:24,720 Speaker 2: I went from that room to the president of the 248 00:13:24,840 --> 00:13:29,000 Speaker 2: of CBS's room to going you're the next guy and 249 00:13:29,160 --> 00:13:30,920 Speaker 2: comparing me to guys that they had already made. I 250 00:13:30,960 --> 00:13:33,000 Speaker 2: walked out of the room. I'll spend it. I'll spend 251 00:13:33,040 --> 00:13:35,520 Speaker 2: in my millions already Tom. They had convinced me that, 252 00:13:35,720 --> 00:13:38,000 Speaker 2: and that I never heard back about anything ever. 253 00:13:38,600 --> 00:13:43,880 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's uh yeah. Look, it's not every situation, 254 00:13:44,120 --> 00:13:47,839 Speaker 1: but it happens enough that you should always have your 255 00:13:47,880 --> 00:13:48,720 Speaker 1: guard up a bit. 256 00:13:49,240 --> 00:13:51,560 Speaker 2: Yeah, I think my guard lives up now. After like 257 00:13:51,640 --> 00:13:54,000 Speaker 2: six of those, I think nothing is going to happen. 258 00:13:54,280 --> 00:13:58,200 Speaker 2: How did you get on Dancing with the Stars, like 259 00:13:58,520 --> 00:14:00,000 Speaker 2: the very first time? Did you go through an audio 260 00:14:00,280 --> 00:14:01,920 Speaker 2: process or were you just their guy based on. 261 00:14:01,920 --> 00:14:04,160 Speaker 1: No, They came to me. They came to me because 262 00:14:04,200 --> 00:14:07,080 Speaker 1: I was doing America's Funniest Videos for the network at 263 00:14:07,080 --> 00:14:11,120 Speaker 1: the time and we were going to be on hiatus 264 00:14:12,840 --> 00:14:15,840 Speaker 1: over the summer, and that original season was a summer 265 00:14:16,080 --> 00:14:21,280 Speaker 1: six week season Dancing with the Stars, and so when 266 00:14:21,880 --> 00:14:25,360 Speaker 1: Andrea Wong, who was the head of entertainment in the 267 00:14:25,400 --> 00:14:28,560 Speaker 1: reality sphere at ABC at the time. Through my agent 268 00:14:28,600 --> 00:14:32,320 Speaker 1: said we'd love Tom to host this show, and I 269 00:14:32,560 --> 00:14:36,680 Speaker 1: was initially skeptical until I saw a DVD of the 270 00:14:36,680 --> 00:14:39,960 Speaker 1: British show The mother Ship. We call it Strictly Come Dancing, 271 00:14:39,960 --> 00:14:43,080 Speaker 1: and I thought this could be fun. It's got an 272 00:14:43,080 --> 00:14:45,920 Speaker 1: old style variety show vibe to it, it's got the 273 00:14:45,960 --> 00:14:54,200 Speaker 1: modern reality show elimination competition, and I'm on hiatus from videos, 274 00:14:54,920 --> 00:15:02,240 Speaker 1: so I said yes. And then now here's something I've 275 00:15:02,280 --> 00:15:06,760 Speaker 1: never told anybody. You're ready for this. I was told 276 00:15:07,200 --> 00:15:11,640 Speaker 1: that the powers that be at the video show were 277 00:15:11,640 --> 00:15:17,200 Speaker 1: not happy and that they might pursue legal action if 278 00:15:17,240 --> 00:15:19,640 Speaker 1: I was going to host this other show, which is 279 00:15:19,680 --> 00:15:23,120 Speaker 1: on the same network and done during a time that 280 00:15:24,080 --> 00:15:28,200 Speaker 1: I wasn't going to be shooting AFV. So it got 281 00:15:28,280 --> 00:15:32,320 Speaker 1: kind of weird that the lawyer another Moonfetz, I think, 282 00:15:33,680 --> 00:15:36,560 Speaker 1: asked my agent does Tom have a lawyer? And I thought, 283 00:15:36,600 --> 00:15:38,640 Speaker 1: what the hell is this? This kind of goes back 284 00:15:38,680 --> 00:15:41,480 Speaker 1: to your whole You know, they're telling you the greatest 285 00:15:41,480 --> 00:15:43,720 Speaker 1: thing on earth and then they hit you out of 286 00:15:43,800 --> 00:15:53,240 Speaker 1: left field. So apparently before it accelerated anymore. Andrea, according 287 00:15:53,240 --> 00:15:55,640 Speaker 1: to what I was told by my agent told the 288 00:15:55,640 --> 00:15:59,600 Speaker 1: folks at Videos, we want him to do it. He's 289 00:15:59,600 --> 00:16:04,400 Speaker 1: going to do it, and if this continues, we might 290 00:16:04,480 --> 00:16:06,080 Speaker 1: have to rethink your pickup. 291 00:16:07,040 --> 00:16:11,160 Speaker 2: So Network it that it got that ugly. Yeah, when 292 00:16:11,200 --> 00:16:12,920 Speaker 2: you started, you think it'd be a long runner. 293 00:16:13,920 --> 00:16:17,160 Speaker 1: No, No, I thought it would be a fun summer gig. 294 00:16:18,360 --> 00:16:23,360 Speaker 1: And in all honesty, it took me until February of 295 00:16:24,120 --> 00:16:27,400 Speaker 1: six because that first season was in the summer of five, 296 00:16:28,120 --> 00:16:30,440 Speaker 1: and you know, it's a live show and there were 297 00:16:30,480 --> 00:16:34,520 Speaker 1: a lot of scripted jokes and things. Very talented writer 298 00:16:34,600 --> 00:16:38,000 Speaker 1: a buddy of mine. But for me to do scripted, 299 00:16:39,440 --> 00:16:43,440 Speaker 1: pre planned jokes on a live show as opposed to 300 00:16:43,800 --> 00:16:47,560 Speaker 1: responding in the moment to what was happening and whether 301 00:16:47,800 --> 00:16:53,800 Speaker 1: that's with humorous nark, genuine emotion, whatever, that just seemed 302 00:16:55,640 --> 00:16:58,440 Speaker 1: weird to me. So it wasn't until the second season 303 00:16:59,040 --> 00:17:01,080 Speaker 1: that I went to the produce users and I said, look, 304 00:17:01,920 --> 00:17:07,720 Speaker 1: let me fly blind here in a sense and respond 305 00:17:07,960 --> 00:17:10,959 Speaker 1: in what I'm feeling in the moment. Let's get rid 306 00:17:11,000 --> 00:17:14,560 Speaker 1: of the scripted jokes. And then I started to find 307 00:17:14,560 --> 00:17:16,560 Speaker 1: my rhythm with it. Then I felt better about it. 308 00:17:17,640 --> 00:17:21,320 Speaker 2: When did you feel it actually like piercing pop culture. 309 00:17:21,280 --> 00:17:24,920 Speaker 1: That second season, because the first season in the summer, 310 00:17:25,480 --> 00:17:29,320 Speaker 1: you know, it did well. Then they did this weird 311 00:17:30,480 --> 00:17:36,800 Speaker 1: rematch between John O'Hurley and Kelly Monico in September or 312 00:17:36,840 --> 00:17:40,919 Speaker 1: October of five. Now I understand they probably did it 313 00:17:41,000 --> 00:17:45,000 Speaker 1: just to keep the show in people's minds, but it 314 00:17:45,040 --> 00:17:48,600 Speaker 1: didn't rate that well, and I didn't expect it would 315 00:17:48,640 --> 00:17:52,679 Speaker 1: because number one, I thought, Kelly one, let's move on, 316 00:17:53,680 --> 00:17:56,800 Speaker 1: but they thought, oh, let's have a rematch. And so 317 00:17:56,920 --> 00:18:00,320 Speaker 1: you're already appealing to a smaller slice of the pie, 318 00:18:01,240 --> 00:18:03,440 Speaker 1: you know, people who thought that John should have won 319 00:18:03,560 --> 00:18:07,720 Speaker 1: or whatever, and that whole slice isn't necessarily going to 320 00:18:07,720 --> 00:18:10,000 Speaker 1: show up when you do your show. So I was 321 00:18:10,080 --> 00:18:14,440 Speaker 1: concerned going into season two that it might not have 322 00:18:14,800 --> 00:18:19,600 Speaker 1: pardon the dancing pun legs, And of course season two 323 00:18:19,720 --> 00:18:25,720 Speaker 1: just blew up a new cast, better time slot, longer season. Yeah, 324 00:18:25,720 --> 00:18:29,280 Speaker 1: that's when I knew. Back in Yeah, February of six. 325 00:18:29,760 --> 00:18:32,400 Speaker 3: Let's take a quick pause for a message from our sponsor, 326 00:18:40,760 --> 00:18:42,960 Speaker 3: and we're back on the Bobby Cast. 327 00:18:43,680 --> 00:18:46,640 Speaker 2: My final Dancing with the Stars question, and it's obviously 328 00:18:46,720 --> 00:18:50,879 Speaker 2: going to be about me. When did you start to 329 00:18:50,920 --> 00:18:52,080 Speaker 2: think that I could win that thing. 330 00:18:52,640 --> 00:18:57,600 Speaker 1: Well, well, that's a good question. I knew that based 331 00:18:57,640 --> 00:19:00,640 Speaker 1: on your radio audience and the fact that you could 332 00:19:00,720 --> 00:19:06,200 Speaker 1: use your radio show to promote votes for yourself, that 333 00:19:06,200 --> 00:19:14,439 Speaker 1: that could sway the competition, and ultimately it did. And 334 00:19:14,560 --> 00:19:18,320 Speaker 1: I also knew early on that, Okay, if that's how 335 00:19:18,320 --> 00:19:25,040 Speaker 1: it plays out, it's going to be controversial, and it'll 336 00:19:25,080 --> 00:19:30,160 Speaker 1: probably cause the producers to address the balance between viewer 337 00:19:30,240 --> 00:19:33,399 Speaker 1: votes and the judges sway. And you know, that's exactly 338 00:19:33,480 --> 00:19:36,679 Speaker 1: how it played. I couldn't tell you went exactly, but 339 00:19:36,840 --> 00:19:39,480 Speaker 1: I knew as the season went on, and it was 340 00:19:39,520 --> 00:19:42,119 Speaker 1: no reflection on you or your dancing or anything, but 341 00:19:42,280 --> 00:19:46,000 Speaker 1: just the logistics of having a radio audience that you 342 00:19:46,000 --> 00:19:49,679 Speaker 1: could mobilize and these other people didn't. Yeah. 343 00:19:49,720 --> 00:19:53,359 Speaker 2: For me, I never really felt comfortable dancing, obviously. But 344 00:19:53,440 --> 00:19:55,640 Speaker 2: I've talked about this a couple times in interviews where 345 00:19:55,640 --> 00:19:59,080 Speaker 2: people have said, you know, does it bother you when 346 00:19:59,520 --> 00:20:01,439 Speaker 2: you continue to get beat up as the bad dancer? 347 00:20:01,440 --> 00:20:04,760 Speaker 2: And I said, in my season, I wasn't the bad dancer. 348 00:20:04,800 --> 00:20:06,639 Speaker 2: I was the bad winner of all the seasons. Like 349 00:20:06,680 --> 00:20:10,719 Speaker 2: there was a difference because even in my own season, 350 00:20:10,800 --> 00:20:12,919 Speaker 2: I wasn't the controversial one that was sticking around. It 351 00:20:12,960 --> 00:20:15,000 Speaker 2: was grocery store Joe. It was some I was just 352 00:20:15,040 --> 00:20:16,840 Speaker 2: the guy that people liked and I was doing okay. 353 00:20:17,359 --> 00:20:19,440 Speaker 2: But once I got to the end and I won, 354 00:20:19,960 --> 00:20:22,919 Speaker 2: I am now associated with every bad dancer because I 355 00:20:23,000 --> 00:20:26,840 Speaker 2: wasn't the bad dancer. I'm the bad winner. And I 356 00:20:26,840 --> 00:20:30,040 Speaker 2: felt terrible for Sharna because she was just She's awesome 357 00:20:30,119 --> 00:20:34,520 Speaker 2: and a great dancer. But we and my job is 358 00:20:34,560 --> 00:20:38,440 Speaker 2: to say things and then live with what I've said. 359 00:20:39,119 --> 00:20:41,639 Speaker 2: Hers really isn't and so but she's had to, you know, 360 00:20:41,680 --> 00:20:43,720 Speaker 2: take a lot of a lot of heat for winning 361 00:20:43,720 --> 00:20:44,159 Speaker 2: that with me. 362 00:20:44,680 --> 00:20:47,560 Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, it's interesting when all of this stuff 363 00:20:47,600 --> 00:20:50,960 Speaker 1: between you and I went went down, I was told 364 00:20:51,040 --> 00:20:54,440 Speaker 1: that I have been banned for life from a sports 365 00:20:54,560 --> 00:20:57,760 Speaker 1: podcast that I don't know if you got, you know 366 00:20:57,800 --> 00:21:01,439 Speaker 1: these guys. And I said this because I'm not, in 367 00:21:01,480 --> 00:21:04,400 Speaker 1: all honesty, I'm a fair weather sports fan. So banning 368 00:21:04,440 --> 00:21:08,199 Speaker 1: me from a sports podcast, I said to her is 369 00:21:08,240 --> 00:21:11,760 Speaker 1: probably like banning Bobby from Blackpool. It's not really going 370 00:21:11,840 --> 00:21:13,280 Speaker 1: to affect our lives that much. 371 00:21:13,840 --> 00:21:16,879 Speaker 2: Yeah, that sports podcast is called mostly Sports on a 372 00:21:16,880 --> 00:21:19,080 Speaker 2: shout them out that is straight loyalty because they loved 373 00:21:19,080 --> 00:21:22,160 Speaker 2: you too, but they loved me more and I appreciated that. 374 00:21:22,280 --> 00:21:24,160 Speaker 1: Yeah, but for life. 375 00:21:24,280 --> 00:21:26,760 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, I'll talk to them. I'll talk to them, Tom, 376 00:21:26,960 --> 00:21:29,760 Speaker 2: all right, I'll get you reinstated, okay to something you 377 00:21:29,800 --> 00:21:32,040 Speaker 2: didn't even know existed, but I will get you reinstated. 378 00:21:32,560 --> 00:21:34,680 Speaker 1: There is that. Yeah. 379 00:21:34,720 --> 00:21:36,840 Speaker 2: The weird thing for me on that too was after 380 00:21:36,880 --> 00:21:38,840 Speaker 2: it was over, because they can tell you nothing. While 381 00:21:38,880 --> 00:21:40,800 Speaker 2: you're doing the show. They give you no information. It 382 00:21:40,880 --> 00:21:43,000 Speaker 2: is so by the books that you don't know if 383 00:21:43,000 --> 00:21:44,280 Speaker 2: you're not on the bottom three, you don't know where 384 00:21:44,280 --> 00:21:46,280 Speaker 2: you finish. I don't tell you. But after it was over, 385 00:21:46,520 --> 00:21:48,080 Speaker 2: a few of the executives that I still know and 386 00:21:48,119 --> 00:21:50,679 Speaker 2: have relationships with, they said, hey, we could see the 387 00:21:50,760 --> 00:21:52,679 Speaker 2: data as it was happening, and they said, as you 388 00:21:52,680 --> 00:21:57,720 Speaker 2: went into that last performance, their exact sentiment was, you 389 00:21:57,760 --> 00:21:59,560 Speaker 2: could have walked out, taking a leak on the stage 390 00:21:59,600 --> 00:22:01,199 Speaker 2: and walked off and you would have won based on 391 00:22:01,200 --> 00:22:03,600 Speaker 2: the votes that you had. So I didn't know that 392 00:22:03,680 --> 00:22:05,359 Speaker 2: because I was killing myself over it. I was like, 393 00:22:05,400 --> 00:22:09,440 Speaker 2: oh my god, everybody hates me. You did. Also the 394 00:22:09,520 --> 00:22:12,040 Speaker 2: mass singer, Now I have a relationship with that show, 395 00:22:12,080 --> 00:22:14,120 Speaker 2: and that they came to me to be one of 396 00:22:14,160 --> 00:22:16,600 Speaker 2: the judges, or it was me, you're going to go 397 00:22:16,680 --> 00:22:18,280 Speaker 2: do Idol and Dancing with the Stars, and I picked 398 00:22:18,280 --> 00:22:20,160 Speaker 2: to do Idle and Dancing with the Stars. I still 399 00:22:20,160 --> 00:22:22,320 Speaker 2: stand by that. I loved my time on both of 400 00:22:22,320 --> 00:22:26,040 Speaker 2: those shows. I've not really thought about being a singer, 401 00:22:26,119 --> 00:22:28,439 Speaker 2: like because I can't sing. But you were the taco 402 00:22:28,560 --> 00:22:29,200 Speaker 2: on that show. 403 00:22:29,920 --> 00:22:33,320 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, did you? Was that an instant yes for you? 404 00:22:33,800 --> 00:22:39,399 Speaker 1: It was interesting. The executive producer at the time was 405 00:22:39,560 --> 00:22:41,800 Speaker 1: is He Pick, who had been one of my original 406 00:22:42,240 --> 00:22:45,720 Speaker 1: co execs back in the start of Dancing with the Stars. 407 00:22:45,720 --> 00:22:49,720 Speaker 1: So I'm going to name drop here. I'm at William 408 00:22:49,760 --> 00:22:53,359 Speaker 1: Shatner's house, a little football gathering Monday night football, and 409 00:22:53,440 --> 00:22:55,719 Speaker 1: my cell goes off and I see it's easy. So 410 00:22:55,760 --> 00:22:59,119 Speaker 1: I walk into the bathroom with my cell phone and 411 00:22:59,160 --> 00:23:03,600 Speaker 1: she says, hey, we've got one opening on mass singer 412 00:23:04,320 --> 00:23:06,560 Speaker 1: this next I think it was season three for them, 413 00:23:07,160 --> 00:23:09,760 Speaker 1: and would you like to do it? And at that 414 00:23:09,960 --> 00:23:14,720 Speaker 1: point we're now talking January of twenty twenty, I think 415 00:23:16,440 --> 00:23:18,600 Speaker 1: I you know, I had finished what turned out to 416 00:23:18,640 --> 00:23:21,040 Speaker 1: be my final season on Dancing with the Stars in 417 00:23:21,119 --> 00:23:25,360 Speaker 1: November of nineteen, and I thought, yeah, you know, I'm 418 00:23:25,359 --> 00:23:29,440 Speaker 1: not doing anything. Sure, she said, we have two outfits left. 419 00:23:29,720 --> 00:23:34,080 Speaker 1: There's a taco and a jellyfish. I thought, who wants 420 00:23:34,119 --> 00:23:37,719 Speaker 1: to be a jellyfish? So so I took the taco. 421 00:23:38,080 --> 00:23:41,119 Speaker 1: But what I didn't realize because I figured I'm going 422 00:23:41,160 --> 00:23:43,000 Speaker 1: to be wearing a big tomato head. I bet I 423 00:23:43,119 --> 00:23:46,280 Speaker 1: pre record the singing. No, you have to sing live? 424 00:23:46,840 --> 00:23:52,040 Speaker 1: All right? Yeah? Yeah, that was all live. So that 425 00:23:52,240 --> 00:23:57,600 Speaker 1: was you know, it was unnerving and to be in 426 00:23:57,640 --> 00:24:01,520 Speaker 1: a taco shell trying to dance like Elvis Presley is 427 00:24:01,560 --> 00:24:03,240 Speaker 1: not the easiest thing in the world. 428 00:24:03,560 --> 00:24:05,920 Speaker 2: Let me tell you how secretive is that show? 429 00:24:06,000 --> 00:24:09,800 Speaker 1: What was the protocol? The protocol was, and it was 430 00:24:09,920 --> 00:24:14,520 Speaker 1: particularly odd given that for me they shot Mass Singer 431 00:24:14,560 --> 00:24:18,240 Speaker 1: at that point on the same soundstage as we had 432 00:24:18,240 --> 00:24:22,400 Speaker 1: done Dancing with the Stars at CBS Television City. So 433 00:24:22,480 --> 00:24:27,280 Speaker 1: the crew, craft services, all these people were the people 434 00:24:27,359 --> 00:24:30,600 Speaker 1: I dealt with all the time, but I had to 435 00:24:30,720 --> 00:24:33,080 Speaker 1: hide my identity from them. The car would pick me 436 00:24:33,160 --> 00:24:36,760 Speaker 1: up at the house. Here, I'd have a reflective visor 437 00:24:37,119 --> 00:24:41,440 Speaker 1: and a hoodie and gloves and I couldn't talk to anybody, 438 00:24:41,680 --> 00:24:45,560 Speaker 1: and even the hoodie said, I don't talk to him 439 00:24:45,640 --> 00:24:48,920 Speaker 1: or her or whatever, and yeah, it was crazy, and 440 00:24:50,400 --> 00:24:53,879 Speaker 1: I was sequestered away until I came out to perform. 441 00:24:54,359 --> 00:24:59,280 Speaker 1: Only one person knew it was me, Cheryl from Craft Services, 442 00:24:59,320 --> 00:25:01,280 Speaker 1: And I said, after, how did you? How did you 443 00:25:01,320 --> 00:25:05,320 Speaker 1: know it was me? She said, you walked by Craft 444 00:25:05,359 --> 00:25:08,600 Speaker 1: Services with the hoodie and the reflective thing and the gloves. 445 00:25:09,040 --> 00:25:13,560 Speaker 1: Apparently I did something unconsciously because I'm very fond of her. 446 00:25:13,640 --> 00:25:15,359 Speaker 1: I just kind of walked by and tapped her on 447 00:25:15,400 --> 00:25:18,399 Speaker 1: the shoulder like I normally would have done, and just 448 00:25:18,600 --> 00:25:21,080 Speaker 1: that tipped her off that it was me. 449 00:25:22,200 --> 00:25:23,399 Speaker 2: Yeah, are you a good singer? 450 00:25:24,000 --> 00:25:27,720 Speaker 1: I'm within a certain range. Yeah, I'm not. I don't 451 00:25:27,760 --> 00:25:31,800 Speaker 1: have multiple octaves at my disposal. But I think if 452 00:25:31,840 --> 00:25:34,760 Speaker 1: you go and look at the first song I did 453 00:25:34,960 --> 00:25:38,160 Speaker 1: was my favorite. It was Sinatra's fly Me to the Moon, 454 00:25:39,160 --> 00:25:43,359 Speaker 1: and that it was okay? Did you Passenova a Baby? 455 00:25:43,359 --> 00:25:44,800 Speaker 1: The Elva song not so good? 456 00:25:45,640 --> 00:25:47,720 Speaker 2: Did you have a history and stand up at all? 457 00:25:48,840 --> 00:25:54,280 Speaker 1: No? But improv theater and studied with a mime company 458 00:25:54,760 --> 00:25:58,960 Speaker 1: in South Paris, Maine, So technically I could say I 459 00:25:59,000 --> 00:26:02,639 Speaker 1: studied mime in Paris and get buy on a polygraph. 460 00:26:02,880 --> 00:26:04,840 Speaker 2: And I know you were doing radio for a long time, 461 00:26:04,840 --> 00:26:07,920 Speaker 2: but you were also working in Boston and television. When 462 00:26:08,000 --> 00:26:10,000 Speaker 2: was that moment when it was I got to make 463 00:26:10,000 --> 00:26:11,960 Speaker 2: a decision to move to Los Angeles? Like, what was 464 00:26:12,000 --> 00:26:14,000 Speaker 2: that job offer? How'd you do that? 465 00:26:14,000 --> 00:26:19,080 Speaker 1: That was Hollywood Squares with Whoopee Back in ninety eight, 466 00:26:19,280 --> 00:26:23,600 Speaker 1: I had just come off a contract with Good Morning America. 467 00:26:24,440 --> 00:26:27,480 Speaker 1: They had come to me. The most fun I've ever 468 00:26:27,520 --> 00:26:30,040 Speaker 1: had on television, Bobby, was a show I did for 469 00:26:30,320 --> 00:26:34,120 Speaker 1: FX when FX first launched in ninety four, I co 470 00:26:34,200 --> 00:26:39,080 Speaker 1: hosted a morning show called Breakfast Time, which was two 471 00:26:39,119 --> 00:26:44,840 Speaker 1: hours of wonderful improv in an apartment in the Flatiron 472 00:26:44,920 --> 00:26:49,520 Speaker 1: district of New York, made for television, and it was 473 00:26:49,560 --> 00:26:53,640 Speaker 1: sort of a critical hit on that fledgling cable network. 474 00:26:54,200 --> 00:26:57,440 Speaker 1: And we always thought, some of us thought, look, if 475 00:26:57,600 --> 00:27:00,280 Speaker 1: we get the call to go to the network, it's 476 00:27:00,359 --> 00:27:04,199 Speaker 1: like being in the minor leagues getting called to the 477 00:27:04,200 --> 00:27:08,240 Speaker 1: major leagues. Sure Enough, a producer from Fox said, we'd 478 00:27:08,320 --> 00:27:12,199 Speaker 1: like to adapt your show for the network, and then 479 00:27:12,240 --> 00:27:16,000 Speaker 1: he got a job somewhere else. So by the time 480 00:27:16,040 --> 00:27:19,680 Speaker 1: we premiered this one hour version of the show on Fox, 481 00:27:20,200 --> 00:27:23,600 Speaker 1: we were somebody else's project. Now, I don't know, if 482 00:27:23,640 --> 00:27:26,199 Speaker 1: you've had that experience, you never want to go in 483 00:27:26,400 --> 00:27:30,360 Speaker 1: as somebody else's project because they like to put their 484 00:27:30,359 --> 00:27:33,840 Speaker 1: own little fingerprints all over it. So it turned out 485 00:27:33,880 --> 00:27:36,280 Speaker 1: to be one of those be careful what you wish 486 00:27:36,359 --> 00:27:41,399 Speaker 1: for scenarios. But oddly, at the same time, Rune Arliche 487 00:27:41,560 --> 00:27:45,480 Speaker 1: was watching the show and thought I'd be perfect to 488 00:27:45,680 --> 00:27:49,400 Speaker 1: take over for Charlie Gibson when apparently Charlie had decided 489 00:27:49,400 --> 00:27:53,320 Speaker 1: to leave. Or maybe, like when they told you, I 490 00:27:53,400 --> 00:27:55,960 Speaker 1: decided to leave, maybe they were firing him. I don't know. 491 00:27:56,440 --> 00:28:02,159 Speaker 1: I don't know. But so, when it was clear that 492 00:28:02,280 --> 00:28:05,440 Speaker 1: the Fox After Breakfast thing was just not working out, 493 00:28:06,359 --> 00:28:09,640 Speaker 1: I did a test week with Good Morning America. They 494 00:28:09,760 --> 00:28:14,720 Speaker 1: signed me to a contract and if they didn't announce 495 00:28:14,760 --> 00:28:16,640 Speaker 1: me this is I'm sorry, this is such a long 496 00:28:16,680 --> 00:28:20,000 Speaker 1: winded story, but if they didn't announce me by a 497 00:28:20,000 --> 00:28:24,000 Speaker 1: certain date, they had to cut me a big check. 498 00:28:24,840 --> 00:28:27,680 Speaker 1: So it didn't work out for some several reasons, based 499 00:28:27,720 --> 00:28:29,720 Speaker 1: on who they hired to co host, YadA YadA, So 500 00:28:29,800 --> 00:28:31,919 Speaker 1: they cut me the big check. Then I get a 501 00:28:31,920 --> 00:28:35,159 Speaker 1: call from my agent, King World wants to fly you 502 00:28:35,200 --> 00:28:39,880 Speaker 1: to La to audition for Hollywood Squares, and I thought, 503 00:28:40,000 --> 00:28:42,600 Speaker 1: I don't want to do a game show, you know, 504 00:28:43,480 --> 00:28:47,600 Speaker 1: And she pointed out, you currently are unemployed. All right, 505 00:28:47,640 --> 00:28:49,480 Speaker 1: yeah that's true. And I could probably, you know, see 506 00:28:49,520 --> 00:28:52,520 Speaker 1: Whoopee again because I had met her on the Fox Show. 507 00:28:53,200 --> 00:28:57,560 Speaker 1: So I flew out Whoope and I. Our chemistry was instant, 508 00:28:58,080 --> 00:29:01,360 Speaker 1: and they offered me the gig, and they wanted me 509 00:29:01,440 --> 00:29:04,400 Speaker 1: to at that point move out to la and our 510 00:29:04,440 --> 00:29:08,920 Speaker 1: girls were in school in Connecticut. I said, look, if 511 00:29:08,960 --> 00:29:11,680 Speaker 1: you fly me back and forth, I'll do it. So 512 00:29:11,720 --> 00:29:14,880 Speaker 1: that's that's ultimately how I came to this coast. 513 00:29:15,520 --> 00:29:16,560 Speaker 2: How long did that show run? 514 00:29:17,880 --> 00:29:21,640 Speaker 1: See six years? Four with Whoopee is one of the 515 00:29:21,680 --> 00:29:26,120 Speaker 1: executive producers, and two with Henry Winkler as one of 516 00:29:26,160 --> 00:29:27,360 Speaker 1: the executive producers. 517 00:29:27,440 --> 00:29:28,400 Speaker 2: Is he the greatest guy? 518 00:29:28,720 --> 00:29:31,760 Speaker 1: Oh? Yeah, yeah. I mean if you look in the 519 00:29:31,760 --> 00:29:35,160 Speaker 1: dictionary for mensh his picture will be next to it. 520 00:29:36,360 --> 00:29:38,800 Speaker 2: Everybody I know that I spending time with him loves him. 521 00:29:38,800 --> 00:29:41,040 Speaker 2: What is so lovely about Henry. 522 00:29:40,760 --> 00:29:48,400 Speaker 1: Winkler's There's just a genuineness about him that I found 523 00:29:49,200 --> 00:29:54,760 Speaker 1: just wonderfully appealing. I just liked him immediately when we 524 00:29:54,920 --> 00:29:58,520 Speaker 1: got together to talk about how the show might change 525 00:29:58,560 --> 00:30:03,320 Speaker 1: a little bit going into our fifth and sixth seasons. 526 00:30:04,040 --> 00:30:06,840 Speaker 1: We traveled to a number of different markets together to 527 00:30:06,920 --> 00:30:11,280 Speaker 1: promote it, and he had just such a wonderful overview 528 00:30:11,320 --> 00:30:14,040 Speaker 1: of his own career. He said to me, I think 529 00:30:14,080 --> 00:30:17,240 Speaker 1: we were at Penn Station, which hopefully won't be renamed 530 00:30:17,280 --> 00:30:23,280 Speaker 1: for anybody soon, he said when he was the FONNDS, 531 00:30:23,360 --> 00:30:26,880 Speaker 1: even though he knew logically the careers have ups and downs, 532 00:30:27,520 --> 00:30:30,960 Speaker 1: peaks and valleys, but I said to him, you're like 533 00:30:31,040 --> 00:30:35,720 Speaker 1: all four Beatles in one person. At that time with Fonsie, 534 00:30:35,800 --> 00:30:37,840 Speaker 1: he said, yeah, And there was a part of me 535 00:30:37,920 --> 00:30:41,000 Speaker 1: that thought maybe I'd be that rare exception that could 536 00:30:41,040 --> 00:30:45,600 Speaker 1: go from peak to peak to peak without experiencing the valleys. 537 00:30:46,160 --> 00:30:50,000 Speaker 1: And then, of course he found out, like everybody's career, 538 00:30:50,520 --> 00:30:53,440 Speaker 1: it ebbs and flows, and he became a writer and 539 00:30:53,480 --> 00:30:57,880 Speaker 1: a producer and a director and is good at all 540 00:30:57,920 --> 00:30:58,560 Speaker 1: those things. 541 00:30:59,320 --> 00:31:02,000 Speaker 2: Was there ever a t during Hollywood Squares that these 542 00:31:02,040 --> 00:31:04,240 Speaker 2: celebrities would get upset because they were one of the middle, 543 00:31:04,360 --> 00:31:06,920 Speaker 2: not the absolute middle, but one of the you know, 544 00:31:06,960 --> 00:31:09,440 Speaker 2: the middles that aren't either in the corner or the 545 00:31:09,440 --> 00:31:11,720 Speaker 2: middle square, Like, was there ever that like I'm bigger 546 00:31:11,720 --> 00:31:13,719 Speaker 2: than sitting on the I don't know what you'd call 547 00:31:13,760 --> 00:31:15,440 Speaker 2: that spot, but one of the not good spots. 548 00:31:15,840 --> 00:31:20,520 Speaker 1: Yeah, well not that I remember. I mean, my fondest 549 00:31:20,560 --> 00:31:25,040 Speaker 1: apart from from Whoopee was the top right usually was 550 00:31:25,080 --> 00:31:29,760 Speaker 1: Gilbert Gottfried and he was, you know, he was always 551 00:31:29,840 --> 00:31:34,480 Speaker 1: dependable for a good joke, and yeah, he was in 552 00:31:34,480 --> 00:31:36,800 Speaker 1: a lot of ways my favorite. But I never heard 553 00:31:36,960 --> 00:31:39,720 Speaker 1: any complaints to me because it's nothing I could have 554 00:31:39,760 --> 00:31:42,240 Speaker 1: done about it. But nor did I hear any stories 555 00:31:42,320 --> 00:31:43,680 Speaker 1: relate to me from producers. 556 00:31:44,000 --> 00:31:46,560 Speaker 2: Whenever you go to AFV after Bob Saggett, he was 557 00:31:46,600 --> 00:31:48,560 Speaker 2: beloved in that spot in that show. Did you feel 558 00:31:48,560 --> 00:31:53,400 Speaker 2: the pressure there, Yeah, not really, because I don't try to. 559 00:31:54,680 --> 00:31:57,960 Speaker 1: But by the time I took over the show, Bob 560 00:31:58,000 --> 00:32:00,479 Speaker 1: had been gone for a number of years. There had 561 00:32:00,520 --> 00:32:05,480 Speaker 1: been a couple of seasons where Daisy Fuentes and John 562 00:32:05,520 --> 00:32:11,160 Speaker 1: Fugelsang co hosted. Then after their two seasons, aff turned 563 00:32:11,200 --> 00:32:15,600 Speaker 1: into sort of a series of comedy specials, so it 564 00:32:15,640 --> 00:32:19,040 Speaker 1: didn't have a regular slot on the network. And I 565 00:32:19,160 --> 00:32:23,040 Speaker 1: actually was hosting the New England Emmy Awards when Vin 566 00:32:23,040 --> 00:32:26,160 Speaker 1: de Bona, who is the producer was the producer of 567 00:32:26,200 --> 00:32:28,960 Speaker 1: the show. He was being honored because he's a Boston 568 00:32:29,080 --> 00:32:33,800 Speaker 1: alum as well, and it wasn't being televised. It was 569 00:32:34,000 --> 00:32:36,880 Speaker 1: just an industry thing. And I was doing my typical 570 00:32:36,920 --> 00:32:40,360 Speaker 1: ad libbing and he offered me the job at that dinner. 571 00:32:41,520 --> 00:32:44,200 Speaker 1: And I didn't know Bob well at that point. We 572 00:32:44,480 --> 00:32:47,720 Speaker 1: ultimately became really good friends. But I said to Vin, 573 00:32:47,720 --> 00:32:52,719 Speaker 1: I said, well, Bob does his thing, but we'd have 574 00:32:52,840 --> 00:32:57,200 Speaker 1: to put it through a desaggotization process because you know, 575 00:32:57,440 --> 00:32:59,880 Speaker 1: I'm not the same He's a comedian. I think of 576 00:32:59,920 --> 00:33:03,680 Speaker 1: myself more as the almost the straight man. I used 577 00:33:03,680 --> 00:33:08,200 Speaker 1: the old example of Martin and Lewis. I said, the 578 00:33:08,360 --> 00:33:12,120 Speaker 1: videos are Jerry Lewis, and you know, I'd be the 579 00:33:12,240 --> 00:33:14,560 Speaker 1: sort of Dean Martin person. I can get a joke 580 00:33:14,600 --> 00:33:18,080 Speaker 1: in here or there, but that wasn't my purpose. And 581 00:33:18,200 --> 00:33:21,360 Speaker 1: Bob would tell me later when we'd have dinner that 582 00:33:22,600 --> 00:33:27,840 Speaker 1: he probably hosted now at the time the way I 583 00:33:28,000 --> 00:33:30,520 Speaker 1: do it, because he just worried about it too much. 584 00:33:30,560 --> 00:33:33,640 Speaker 1: He always wanted to have a joke and everything like that, 585 00:33:33,680 --> 00:33:36,920 Speaker 1: because he's a comic. He was a comic. But I 586 00:33:37,000 --> 00:33:39,040 Speaker 1: did a one hour version of the show and we 587 00:33:39,200 --> 00:33:43,680 Speaker 1: tried to do it in about seventy minutes, almost live. 588 00:33:44,440 --> 00:33:47,880 Speaker 1: Bob's version was a half hour, and sometimes it took 589 00:33:47,920 --> 00:33:53,800 Speaker 1: four hours. So he was very honest about it. Yeah, 590 00:33:53,800 --> 00:33:57,080 Speaker 1: because he just had a different approach to it than 591 00:33:57,120 --> 00:33:57,440 Speaker 1: I did. 592 00:33:58,000 --> 00:34:01,320 Speaker 2: Yeah, chemistry is such a big deal, even chemistry with 593 00:34:01,400 --> 00:34:04,640 Speaker 2: your producer, chemistry with your partner. Who do you feel 594 00:34:04,720 --> 00:34:06,800 Speaker 2: like when you were doing dancing you had the most 595 00:34:06,840 --> 00:34:08,200 Speaker 2: chemistry with as a partner. 596 00:34:08,800 --> 00:34:10,760 Speaker 1: Oh, in terms of the producer. 597 00:34:10,600 --> 00:34:12,799 Speaker 2: No, it's terms like a co host, because you had 598 00:34:12,800 --> 00:34:14,800 Speaker 2: some good co hosts, but they shifted to you. You 599 00:34:14,880 --> 00:34:15,959 Speaker 2: were the one stable one. 600 00:34:16,800 --> 00:34:22,680 Speaker 1: Yeah, isn't that scary? I think erin I think it 601 00:34:22,680 --> 00:34:27,960 Speaker 1: would be in order of compatibility, it would be Aaron Brooke, 602 00:34:28,520 --> 00:34:31,759 Speaker 1: Samantha and then she was only with me for the 603 00:34:31,760 --> 00:34:34,719 Speaker 1: first season Lisa Canning. But Aaron and I just we 604 00:34:34,840 --> 00:34:38,560 Speaker 1: knew each other before working together, even when she was 605 00:34:38,920 --> 00:34:43,360 Speaker 1: a contestant. We had done this National spelling Bee for 606 00:34:43,400 --> 00:34:49,440 Speaker 1: ABC out of Washington, and I had introduced her to 607 00:34:49,480 --> 00:34:53,040 Speaker 1: my agent and attorney at a time that she was 608 00:34:53,080 --> 00:34:57,920 Speaker 1: going through the whole Stalker crap. So we were pretty 609 00:34:57,960 --> 00:35:02,480 Speaker 1: tight going into Dancing with the Stars and then when 610 00:35:02,520 --> 00:35:05,359 Speaker 1: she got the nod to co host with me, I 611 00:35:05,520 --> 00:35:07,920 Speaker 1: was thrilled and it just it was for me. It 612 00:35:08,000 --> 00:35:11,080 Speaker 1: was seamless because I loved her sense of you. She's 613 00:35:11,120 --> 00:35:14,319 Speaker 1: so smart and she's so funny, and so I never 614 00:35:14,400 --> 00:35:18,319 Speaker 1: knew what was going to come at me from the skybox, 615 00:35:18,400 --> 00:35:20,720 Speaker 1: you know, which, which was when you're on live TV, 616 00:35:21,320 --> 00:35:23,279 Speaker 1: that's the situation you want to be in. 617 00:35:23,920 --> 00:35:26,480 Speaker 2: Yeah, you want to be able to trust the person 618 00:35:26,520 --> 00:35:29,040 Speaker 2: you're live with, and it all accounts and doing a 619 00:35:29,120 --> 00:35:32,640 Speaker 2: four or five hour like live national radio show even 620 00:35:32,760 --> 00:35:36,799 Speaker 2: like I got to trust my person, So I have 621 00:35:36,840 --> 00:35:38,839 Speaker 2: to feel free enough to trust them that I can 622 00:35:38,880 --> 00:35:41,440 Speaker 2: really be myself and that if I mess up and 623 00:35:41,840 --> 00:35:44,120 Speaker 2: I slip that they're going to be strong enough to 624 00:35:44,120 --> 00:35:45,719 Speaker 2: make sure that nobody notices that. 625 00:35:46,560 --> 00:35:51,240 Speaker 1: Yeah, but sometimes those slip ups are the human element 626 00:35:51,360 --> 00:35:55,359 Speaker 1: that can be endearing in a way, you know. I 627 00:35:55,400 --> 00:36:01,640 Speaker 1: mean it just it's sometimes I used the words of 628 00:36:01,719 --> 00:36:06,799 Speaker 1: the great philosopher Bob Ross who said there are no mistakes, 629 00:36:06,960 --> 00:36:10,520 Speaker 1: there are only happy accidents. So you know, I think 630 00:36:10,560 --> 00:36:15,319 Speaker 1: sometimes those mistakes can make us even more appealing to 631 00:36:15,440 --> 00:36:17,040 Speaker 1: our listeners or viewers. 632 00:36:17,360 --> 00:36:20,359 Speaker 2: I fell episode one on my season, I fell, I 633 00:36:20,360 --> 00:36:22,759 Speaker 2: tore my shoulder. I didn't know the dance shoes were 634 00:36:22,760 --> 00:36:24,480 Speaker 2: so slick on that floor, even though I'd been training 635 00:36:24,480 --> 00:36:26,719 Speaker 2: in them. But I wiped out and then I threw 636 00:36:26,719 --> 00:36:28,920 Speaker 2: my jacket into the crowd and took off running and 637 00:36:28,960 --> 00:36:30,560 Speaker 2: it was all a blur. It was the first time 638 00:36:30,560 --> 00:36:33,320 Speaker 2: I'd ever finished that dance was live on television. 639 00:36:32,880 --> 00:36:33,359 Speaker 1: Is that right? 640 00:36:33,640 --> 00:36:35,719 Speaker 2: And I remember everybody trying to corral me, and You're going, 641 00:36:35,800 --> 00:36:38,160 Speaker 2: come here, come here. It was all it was all blur. 642 00:36:39,800 --> 00:36:43,439 Speaker 1: Well, you know, Misty May trainer had just come back 643 00:36:43,480 --> 00:36:46,520 Speaker 1: from the Olympics, and she tore her acl during a 644 00:36:46,560 --> 00:36:50,720 Speaker 1: rehearsal on that ballroom floor. So and that was the season. 645 00:36:50,760 --> 00:36:54,680 Speaker 1: We had a number of injuries. So you know, ballroom 646 00:36:54,760 --> 00:36:56,080 Speaker 1: dancing isn't for sissies. 647 00:36:56,400 --> 00:37:10,200 Speaker 4: You know, the Bobby Cast will be right back. This 648 00:37:10,600 --> 00:37:11,680 Speaker 4: is the Bobby Cast. 649 00:37:12,280 --> 00:37:14,200 Speaker 2: I got like three more questions for you, and mostly 650 00:37:14,280 --> 00:37:17,040 Speaker 2: this was just I just wanted you to know I 651 00:37:17,040 --> 00:37:19,960 Speaker 2: still love you, and I wanted to, you know, address 652 00:37:20,040 --> 00:37:22,200 Speaker 2: the elephant very first and then have a conversation. 653 00:37:22,239 --> 00:37:22,960 Speaker 1: I'm glad you did. 654 00:37:23,080 --> 00:37:23,319 Speaker 2: Yes. 655 00:37:23,880 --> 00:37:27,160 Speaker 1: So, oh, by the way, on that note, yes, when 656 00:37:27,239 --> 00:37:30,239 Speaker 1: I watched it again because I just I needed to 657 00:37:30,320 --> 00:37:33,360 Speaker 1: know what your response was. There were two things that 658 00:37:33,440 --> 00:37:38,320 Speaker 1: came to me because I'm watching the playback, and I say, 659 00:37:38,680 --> 00:37:41,600 Speaker 1: and the winner and new Champion of Dancing with the 660 00:37:41,640 --> 00:37:43,799 Speaker 1: Stars is, and then the drum beat bum boom bom 661 00:37:43,800 --> 00:37:47,200 Speaker 1: bom bom boom forever. I didn't realize how damn long 662 00:37:47,280 --> 00:37:50,759 Speaker 1: that is. I could have gone on, made a sandwich, gone, 663 00:37:50,840 --> 00:37:52,880 Speaker 1: you know, I could have gone and hit a drive 664 00:37:52,960 --> 00:37:56,680 Speaker 1: through before I finally announced the winner. But I watched, 665 00:37:56,719 --> 00:38:00,719 Speaker 1: particularly what you said in that moment as best I 666 00:38:00,760 --> 00:38:04,919 Speaker 1: could lip read you said the moment I announced your name, 667 00:38:05,800 --> 00:38:10,799 Speaker 1: What the hell is happening? You know? 668 00:38:11,320 --> 00:38:15,040 Speaker 2: I probably said that that's a there's that year is 669 00:38:15,080 --> 00:38:17,200 Speaker 2: just full of blurs, and that show is full of blurs. 670 00:38:18,360 --> 00:38:21,920 Speaker 2: Of the pro dancers that you got to know, Like 671 00:38:21,960 --> 00:38:25,000 Speaker 2: who did you really love being around as people? Can 672 00:38:25,000 --> 00:38:26,880 Speaker 2: you give me three that come to mind immediately? 673 00:38:27,160 --> 00:38:35,160 Speaker 1: Yeah, well, Cheryl Sharna and Valishchimerkovski, Ashley del Grosso, whom 674 00:38:35,200 --> 00:38:38,239 Speaker 1: I danced with in season two. It'd be It'd be 675 00:38:38,960 --> 00:38:42,120 Speaker 1: hard to say Mark ballas I went to see him 676 00:38:42,160 --> 00:38:47,360 Speaker 1: perform on Broadway. They're all I kind of felt like 677 00:38:47,520 --> 00:38:51,760 Speaker 1: the dad to many of them, so I was really 678 00:38:51,800 --> 00:38:56,000 Speaker 1: fond of all of them, but I think Cheryl certainly 679 00:38:56,760 --> 00:39:01,440 Speaker 1: has been a more constant friend since I've left the show. 680 00:39:02,200 --> 00:39:03,680 Speaker 2: It was always weird to me to hear from people 681 00:39:03,680 --> 00:39:05,359 Speaker 2: who were on the show and didn't want to be there. 682 00:39:06,280 --> 00:39:08,960 Speaker 1: You think that's because they didn't realize going in just 683 00:39:09,080 --> 00:39:11,239 Speaker 1: what it would take to continue. 684 00:39:11,800 --> 00:39:15,560 Speaker 2: Probably that or they said they were doing it, and 685 00:39:15,560 --> 00:39:17,719 Speaker 2: then people in their circle were making them feel like 686 00:39:17,760 --> 00:39:19,360 Speaker 2: you're a loser for doing this. I think it was 687 00:39:19,360 --> 00:39:24,040 Speaker 2: a combination of both. Oh okay, because I called one 688 00:39:24,080 --> 00:39:26,799 Speaker 2: of my dearest friends when I got offered the show. 689 00:39:27,440 --> 00:39:30,919 Speaker 2: I called Charlemagne the God, who is massive radio guy 690 00:39:30,960 --> 00:39:33,200 Speaker 2: in New York hip hop, and I talked to the 691 00:39:33,239 --> 00:39:37,440 Speaker 2: property brother Drew Scott, and I said, Drew, you've done it. 692 00:39:37,920 --> 00:39:41,120 Speaker 2: What do you think? And his advice was, oh, you 693 00:39:41,200 --> 00:39:44,480 Speaker 2: have to do it. I'm extremely awkward and I loved 694 00:39:44,480 --> 00:39:47,000 Speaker 2: it and had no experience whatsoever, and I said great. 695 00:39:47,320 --> 00:39:48,680 Speaker 2: I called Charlet Mane and I said, hey, what do 696 00:39:48,680 --> 00:39:51,040 Speaker 2: you think because I was just starting to get offers 697 00:39:51,080 --> 00:39:54,560 Speaker 2: on things, and he said, the people that are saying 698 00:39:55,160 --> 00:39:57,279 Speaker 2: that only losers do that show are only looking at 699 00:39:57,280 --> 00:39:59,719 Speaker 2: a selection of people that come back that have. 700 00:39:59,680 --> 00:40:00,600 Speaker 1: Had a care and come back. 701 00:40:00,800 --> 00:40:05,480 Speaker 2: But he said, look at Kim Kardashian, look at Michael Strahan. 702 00:40:05,640 --> 00:40:08,880 Speaker 2: He listed like seven people on the way up that 703 00:40:09,239 --> 00:40:12,279 Speaker 2: used that show as a vehicle. And that was really 704 00:40:12,280 --> 00:40:15,799 Speaker 2: what convinced me because I saw that as one the 705 00:40:15,840 --> 00:40:17,799 Speaker 2: network wanted me to do it, because I never was like, hey, 706 00:40:17,800 --> 00:40:19,239 Speaker 2: put me on Dancing with the Stars. I loved it, 707 00:40:19,280 --> 00:40:21,920 Speaker 2: but that was never my choice. But I saw that 708 00:40:21,640 --> 00:40:23,680 Speaker 2: and that talk was really good for me. And I 709 00:40:23,719 --> 00:40:25,239 Speaker 2: feel like people that get on the show and they're 710 00:40:25,320 --> 00:40:27,359 Speaker 2: upset about it either a they don't know the work 711 00:40:27,360 --> 00:40:28,680 Speaker 2: they have to put in, or two people in their 712 00:40:28,680 --> 00:40:31,040 Speaker 2: circle that are going, you're doing a dance show that's lame. 713 00:40:31,600 --> 00:40:38,319 Speaker 1: Mmmmm yeah, yeah, Well I just I have I understand that. 714 00:40:39,719 --> 00:40:44,799 Speaker 1: I think my experience with some who might not have 715 00:40:45,400 --> 00:40:50,919 Speaker 1: been as happy as others as the season progressed it had. 716 00:40:51,360 --> 00:40:54,120 Speaker 1: I'm thinking of one person in particular, whom I won't name, 717 00:40:54,160 --> 00:40:58,920 Speaker 1: but a comedian who just lost all of his funny 718 00:40:58,920 --> 00:41:02,680 Speaker 1: bone because he wasn't ready for how hard it was 719 00:41:02,719 --> 00:41:05,520 Speaker 1: going to be, how much time was going to be required, 720 00:41:05,960 --> 00:41:09,520 Speaker 1: the fact that you're doing it live. There's no you know, 721 00:41:09,560 --> 00:41:14,040 Speaker 1: to your point earlier. There's no second take, and it's 722 00:41:14,080 --> 00:41:16,520 Speaker 1: it's tense, which is one of the reasons why, if 723 00:41:16,560 --> 00:41:22,120 Speaker 1: you remember how NC seventeen, I would make the dress rehearsal. 724 00:41:22,239 --> 00:41:26,400 Speaker 1: Sometimes it was to relax you guys, especially in the 725 00:41:26,480 --> 00:41:31,200 Speaker 1: early weeks that you know, it's only a ballroom competition show. 726 00:41:31,880 --> 00:41:34,759 Speaker 1: Just everybody relaxed, and I'd get that all out of 727 00:41:34,760 --> 00:41:40,000 Speaker 1: my system, you know, the darker r rated jokes during 728 00:41:40,000 --> 00:41:42,640 Speaker 1: the dress rehearsal. But there was a purpose behind that too, 729 00:41:42,680 --> 00:41:44,080 Speaker 1: to help you guys all relax. 730 00:41:44,440 --> 00:41:46,760 Speaker 2: Did you ever see anybody get really upset after they lost. 731 00:41:47,280 --> 00:41:50,120 Speaker 1: Well, John O'Hurley wasn't happy. I mean, I think that 732 00:41:50,320 --> 00:41:53,560 Speaker 1: was part of the reason that we had that dance 733 00:41:53,640 --> 00:42:00,239 Speaker 1: off in September of five, you know, but he's the 734 00:42:00,239 --> 00:42:03,200 Speaker 1: first one that comes to mind, But I can't think 735 00:42:03,280 --> 00:42:07,400 Speaker 1: of others. I'm sure there were. But one of the 736 00:42:07,400 --> 00:42:11,320 Speaker 1: things people don't know is how little I was really 737 00:42:11,360 --> 00:42:14,200 Speaker 1: involved in the day to day stuff. I didn't, you know. 738 00:42:14,280 --> 00:42:16,480 Speaker 1: Occasionally I might show up at a rehearsal just to 739 00:42:16,880 --> 00:42:21,400 Speaker 1: say hi, But typically my week was a Friday production 740 00:42:21,560 --> 00:42:27,040 Speaker 1: meeting in the office and Monday and occasionally Tuesday when 741 00:42:27,040 --> 00:42:29,320 Speaker 1: we had result shows. I'd be there for the show, 742 00:42:30,440 --> 00:42:37,120 Speaker 1: but after Monday aired live, I wouldn't be there until Friday. So, 743 00:42:37,680 --> 00:42:40,319 Speaker 1: you know, I was a part of the show, but 744 00:42:40,400 --> 00:42:44,160 Speaker 1: I also had the advantage of being slightly apart from 745 00:42:44,239 --> 00:42:46,759 Speaker 1: the show, so I could watch it almost as a 746 00:42:46,840 --> 00:42:47,680 Speaker 1: viewer watched it. 747 00:42:49,080 --> 00:42:52,120 Speaker 2: So I know you're semi retired or retire, I don't 748 00:42:52,120 --> 00:42:53,160 Speaker 2: know what the word I use for it, but that's 749 00:42:53,200 --> 00:42:55,400 Speaker 2: going to be crazy for you, someone who's been so 750 00:42:55,640 --> 00:42:58,360 Speaker 2: active for so long, and I just don't think you're retired. 751 00:42:58,400 --> 00:43:01,600 Speaker 2: I think you're just still staying active. Like I don't 752 00:43:01,600 --> 00:43:03,480 Speaker 2: feel like you're someone who's gonna sit around Mike's like, 753 00:43:03,520 --> 00:43:04,120 Speaker 2: what are you doing? 754 00:43:04,520 --> 00:43:09,399 Speaker 1: No, yeah, I think that's accurate. I just did Dick 755 00:43:09,520 --> 00:43:14,080 Speaker 1: Van Dyke's audio book for his last his most recent book, 756 00:43:14,120 --> 00:43:17,399 Speaker 1: one hundred Rules for Living to one hundred. I did 757 00:43:18,000 --> 00:43:21,440 Speaker 1: a stint a couple of episodes of Drew Barrymore's version 758 00:43:21,920 --> 00:43:25,759 Speaker 1: of Hollywood Squares. You know. Came back for the anniversary 759 00:43:25,800 --> 00:43:29,960 Speaker 1: show for Dancing with the Stars because my original showrunner, 760 00:43:30,040 --> 00:43:36,160 Speaker 1: Conrad Green is the showrunner again, and so given that environment, 761 00:43:36,360 --> 00:43:40,400 Speaker 1: I felt very comfortable going back, and I'm always open 762 00:43:40,440 --> 00:43:42,880 Speaker 1: to being surprised. I don't have a fire in my 763 00:43:42,920 --> 00:43:46,719 Speaker 1: gut to host anything anymore. But when I look back 764 00:43:46,760 --> 00:43:49,520 Speaker 1: at my career, the shows that I ended up having 765 00:43:49,560 --> 00:43:53,080 Speaker 1: the most fun on were shows that I didn't pursue 766 00:43:53,560 --> 00:43:58,000 Speaker 1: and initially thought I wasn't that interested in Breakfast Time 767 00:43:58,040 --> 00:44:04,120 Speaker 1: on FX, Hollywood Square, Dancing with the Stars. So I've 768 00:44:04,200 --> 00:44:08,640 Speaker 1: learned that my initial reaction isn't always to be trusted. 769 00:44:09,560 --> 00:44:12,160 Speaker 2: Final question, did you ever almost get a big job 770 00:44:12,280 --> 00:44:13,279 Speaker 2: and you didn't get it? 771 00:44:13,480 --> 00:44:17,440 Speaker 1: Yeah, Good Morning America. I was again under contract to 772 00:44:17,560 --> 00:44:21,680 Speaker 1: replace Charlie. I had done this wonderful sort of audition 773 00:44:21,760 --> 00:44:26,960 Speaker 1: week with Elizabeth Vargas that actually got a cheer in 774 00:44:27,040 --> 00:44:30,319 Speaker 1: the cheers and jeers section of the Old TV Guy, 775 00:44:31,440 --> 00:44:33,840 Speaker 1: And so I was feeling like, Okay, I was feeling 776 00:44:33,920 --> 00:44:36,560 Speaker 1: like you were feeling when you were negotiating to take 777 00:44:36,600 --> 00:44:38,440 Speaker 1: over as the host of Dancing with the Stars. This 778 00:44:38,480 --> 00:44:40,920 Speaker 1: is going to be great. I'm in like Flint. And 779 00:44:40,960 --> 00:44:43,200 Speaker 1: then I met the person that they hired to replace 780 00:44:43,280 --> 00:44:50,879 Speaker 1: Joan London, somebody from Lisa McCree, and we just had 781 00:44:51,000 --> 00:44:53,319 Speaker 1: no chemistry. I used to kid that if you were 782 00:44:53,360 --> 00:44:56,480 Speaker 1: close enough to your television set, you could feel the 783 00:44:56,520 --> 00:44:59,879 Speaker 1: wind show come off the speaker. And in fact, when 784 00:45:00,280 --> 00:45:04,600 Speaker 1: they decided because they already had a contract with her 785 00:45:04,800 --> 00:45:07,400 Speaker 1: and they had an option to pick up mine, and 786 00:45:07,440 --> 00:45:09,960 Speaker 1: when they didn't and they cut me the check, we 787 00:45:10,040 --> 00:45:13,560 Speaker 1: bought a place in New Hampshire and in my office 788 00:45:13,680 --> 00:45:18,080 Speaker 1: I have a plaque that says McCree manor from cold 789 00:45:18,200 --> 00:45:20,440 Speaker 1: shoulder to warm hearth. 790 00:45:22,080 --> 00:45:24,799 Speaker 2: That's funny. Well, I really appreciate the time. It's great 791 00:45:24,840 --> 00:45:29,040 Speaker 2: seeing you again. Yeah, you know, I just think it 792 00:45:29,120 --> 00:45:31,800 Speaker 2: me positively, Tom, that's all just thinking me positively, I do. 793 00:45:32,080 --> 00:45:35,400 Speaker 2: I just think you know. The question wasn't even about me. 794 00:45:35,480 --> 00:45:37,120 Speaker 2: It was like who surprised you? And you were like, 795 00:45:37,280 --> 00:45:39,000 Speaker 2: I don't have an answer for that, but I could 796 00:45:39,040 --> 00:45:41,919 Speaker 2: tell you who I can't believe one. And I was like, man, 797 00:45:41,960 --> 00:45:42,640 Speaker 2: that guy got me. 798 00:45:42,760 --> 00:45:46,200 Speaker 1: Well, I didn't quite say it with that snarky tone. 799 00:45:46,000 --> 00:45:48,040 Speaker 2: That vigor. You had, that vigor about you whenever you 800 00:45:48,040 --> 00:45:50,160 Speaker 2: were throwing me out there. But I'm big I'm a 801 00:45:50,160 --> 00:45:52,680 Speaker 2: big fan. I'm a big fan of you and never 802 00:45:52,719 --> 00:45:55,080 Speaker 2: stopped and thank you so much. And hopefully we'll bump 803 00:45:55,120 --> 00:45:57,240 Speaker 2: into each other sometime when I'm out there in crazy 804 00:45:57,280 --> 00:45:59,719 Speaker 2: Hollywood getting all my million of dollars offers that never 805 00:45:59,719 --> 00:46:01,000 Speaker 2: actual come to fruition. 806 00:46:01,280 --> 00:46:03,320 Speaker 1: We'll debrief after your meetings. 807 00:46:03,400 --> 00:46:05,120 Speaker 2: Okay, very good, Tom, good to see you. 808 00:46:05,880 --> 00:46:06,640 Speaker 1: Take care every body. 809 00:46:06,760 --> 00:46:11,200 Speaker 4: Bye, Tom, Thanks for listening to a Bobby Cast production.