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Uh, we're going 0:01:25.040 --> 0:01:28.240 to talk about the strange goings on at a super 0:01:28.280 --> 0:01:31.600 secret government facility. It's on an island off the east 0:01:31.600 --> 0:01:34.520 coast of the United States. But you didn't know there 0:01:34.560 --> 0:01:37.039 was something like that, Daddy, Well there is. Have you 0:01:37.080 --> 0:01:45.080 heard of the Montalk Monster do you haven't? Some people have. Yeah, 0:01:45.480 --> 0:01:47.720 he's the best actor ever. Have to look at his face, like, 0:01:47.760 --> 0:01:50.920 what do you haven't? Uh? And also have you heard 0:01:50.920 --> 0:01:54.920 of lime disease? And also there's there are some other 0:01:55.600 --> 0:01:58.960 Montak monsters out there, similar kinds of things that are 0:01:59.000 --> 0:02:01.680 washed up nearby, and I've seen the pictures of them. 0:02:01.760 --> 0:02:05.040 And lime disease was first identified in nineteen seventy five. 0:02:05.080 --> 0:02:08.000 And Old Lime, Connecticut, Well, the town of Old Lime 0:02:08.120 --> 0:02:11.400 is eleven miles northwest of a place called Plumb Island, 0:02:11.600 --> 0:02:13.239 which is a tiny island in the mouth of the 0:02:13.360 --> 0:02:16.680 Long Island Sound, which puts it basically between Long Island, 0:02:16.720 --> 0:02:19.080 New York, and the coast of Connecticut. And it's about 0:02:19.080 --> 0:02:22.440 eighteen miles northwest of Montauk Point, the tip of Long Island, 0:02:22.480 --> 0:02:26.280 which is where the Montauk Monster was found on the beach. Yeah, 0:02:26.720 --> 0:02:29.519 and you guys have seen pictures of the Montauk Monster. Right, yeah, 0:02:29.639 --> 0:02:33.400 it's like, yeah, it's it's pretty weird looking. Yeah, I 0:02:33.400 --> 0:02:37.160 will agree. It is not in a good state. Yeah. Now, 0:02:37.520 --> 0:02:39.639 so people have drawn a connection. I mean, it's it's 0:02:39.680 --> 0:02:42.280 that close to Montauk Point and there's this weird island 0:02:42.280 --> 0:02:44.200 over there where the government's doing all kinds of stuff 0:02:44.240 --> 0:02:47.040 that they won't talk about. Uh. And it doesn't help 0:02:47.080 --> 0:02:50.200 that Plumb Island is surrounded by guys in boats with guns, 0:02:50.200 --> 0:02:53.040 like you know, we're talking homeland security guys. They won't 0:02:53.120 --> 0:02:55.360 let you near the island. You are not allowed to 0:02:55.440 --> 0:02:58.520 land on the island. Uh. And and actually the island 0:02:58.680 --> 0:03:02.480 was indeed a biological warfare research center for a little bit. 0:03:03.080 --> 0:03:05.120 And that's really true, that's not I'm not not just 0:03:05.240 --> 0:03:09.560 making that up, um, but that officially, at least that 0:03:09.639 --> 0:03:13.799 mission was ended in nineteen nine. Unofficially, well, who knows 0:03:13.840 --> 0:03:16.520 what's going on there. Some people suspect that maybe it's 0:03:16.520 --> 0:03:20.600 still continues or something even more nefarious. Uh. Some people 0:03:20.600 --> 0:03:23.480 suspect that, of course lime disease might have originated there, 0:03:23.520 --> 0:03:26.000 and and maybe some other things too, like the West 0:03:26.000 --> 0:03:29.440 Now virus might have originated on that island. It also 0:03:29.480 --> 0:03:31.200 doesn't help that a few of the strange things have 0:03:31.280 --> 0:03:34.079 been found nearby, like a human body that was found 0:03:34.120 --> 0:03:36.360 on the beach, or a body that seemed to be 0:03:36.400 --> 0:03:38.600 mostly human but was kind of different. That was two 0:03:38.600 --> 0:03:41.720 thousand and ten when it was found. Uh, And somebody 0:03:41.760 --> 0:03:44.360 recently dredged up some photos of another creature that was 0:03:44.440 --> 0:03:48.320 found in nineteen fifty nine on the island. You've seen 0:03:48.320 --> 0:03:51.680 those photos, I sue, Yeah, well that doesn't look like 0:03:51.720 --> 0:03:55.160 a human being. I don't think you have to agree. 0:03:55.360 --> 0:03:58.280 Maybe a human dog hybrid. So all this prompts a 0:03:58.280 --> 0:04:00.320 lot of questions, what the hell is going on on 0:04:00.360 --> 0:04:03.920 Plum Island. Well, okay, first I'm gonna give you a 0:04:03.960 --> 0:04:07.280 little background about the island. So, yeah, I know, it's 0:04:07.320 --> 0:04:09.760 totally sweet. So you all know where Long out of 0:04:09.840 --> 0:04:12.119 New York is. If you don't, we'll get into get 0:04:12.120 --> 0:04:14.080 a new Google or something and go take a look 0:04:14.120 --> 0:04:17.880 at it. This is This is Plumb Island. P l 0:04:18.040 --> 0:04:21.640 U M. Yeah. Not to be confused with Plumb Island. 0:04:23.000 --> 0:04:25.800 Yeah no, no, no, that it's just plum like the fruit. Yeah. So, 0:04:25.920 --> 0:04:28.360 Long Island is a long, skinny thing that's parallel to 0:04:28.400 --> 0:04:30.960 the coast of Connecticut and Long Island Sound is in 0:04:31.000 --> 0:04:34.080 between Connecticut and the island and then in the mouth 0:04:34.120 --> 0:04:35.720 of it on the east end you and you can 0:04:35.760 --> 0:04:37.800 find it on Google. Just type in plum Island and 0:04:37.880 --> 0:04:40.520 maps and it'll take you right there and it'll show 0:04:40.560 --> 0:04:42.680 you aerials and everything. Although I'm sure they've been dummied 0:04:42.720 --> 0:04:44.280 up by the government, but you can see there's a 0:04:44.320 --> 0:04:46.720 bunch of buildings, there's some roads and stuff like that 0:04:46.760 --> 0:04:49.279 on the on the island, it's eighty acres, it's a 0:04:50.200 --> 0:04:52.600 it's about what like one point three square miles something 0:04:52.640 --> 0:04:56.239 like that. Yeah, it's been home by the FEDS since 0:04:57.680 --> 0:05:00.520 when it was bought for a construction of Fort Terry, 0:05:00.839 --> 0:05:03.120 which at the time it was not necessary to protect 0:05:03.200 --> 0:05:05.279 Long Island Sound from enemy ships that we were at 0:05:05.320 --> 0:05:07.880 war with Spain at the time. You all remember the 0:05:07.920 --> 0:05:12.080 Spanish American War. Yeah, like it was yesterday, right, Yeah, yeah, 0:05:12.400 --> 0:05:16.280 and uh. And so after after I think World War Two, 0:05:16.960 --> 0:05:20.400 Fort Terry was finally shuttered and then the Army Chemical 0:05:20.480 --> 0:05:23.200 Corps took over the island. Then I guess they were 0:05:23.200 --> 0:05:26.599 going to pursue researching the biological warfare, but then they 0:05:26.720 --> 0:05:29.280 turned around and decided to give the island to the U. S. 0:05:29.360 --> 0:05:31.920 D A. That's the U. S. Department of Agriculture. Well, 0:05:31.960 --> 0:05:34.920 they had plans and they started to build, but it 0:05:35.279 --> 0:05:40.160 almost looks like it was really underfunded because they began construction, 0:05:40.279 --> 0:05:42.040 but then when the U. S. D A took over, 0:05:42.520 --> 0:05:45.360 they had to take over these buildings and use them 0:05:45.360 --> 0:05:47.960 as is and I think expand on them or complete 0:05:48.000 --> 0:05:51.320 some because it wasn't as if the facility was all 0:05:51.400 --> 0:05:53.880 there and ready from when the you know, the World 0:05:53.880 --> 0:05:56.600 War Two Organism group was in there. No, I mean 0:05:56.920 --> 0:05:58.839 for terry was. I mean they were probably there were 0:05:58.880 --> 0:06:01.160 some fortifications and probably all the rest of it was 0:06:01.200 --> 0:06:03.760 just wooden buildings for things like barracks, you know, mess 0:06:03.760 --> 0:06:05.840 halls and storage rooms and stuff like that. You know, 0:06:06.320 --> 0:06:10.760 so not exactly research laboratory stuff, right, yeah, really, but 0:06:11.000 --> 0:06:12.880 they have sense done some building on there and they've 0:06:12.880 --> 0:06:16.120 got some shiny new buildings and the USDA established the 0:06:16.200 --> 0:06:20.039 Plumb Island Animal Research or excuse the Animal Disease Center, 0:06:20.600 --> 0:06:23.200 most of the research putting mouth disease. You might also 0:06:23.279 --> 0:06:26.000 have heard of that as cliff and mouth disease, which 0:06:26.040 --> 0:06:28.120 is a nasty little thing that hits your cows and 0:06:28.279 --> 0:06:30.560 pigs and stuff like that, and it can be hard 0:06:30.560 --> 0:06:33.640 on agriculture. Uh yeah, I mean if if you if 0:06:33.680 --> 0:06:35.720 your animals get it, you have to kill them and 0:06:35.839 --> 0:06:40.560 like burn their carcasses. They're not the meat is non saleable. Yeah, 0:06:40.600 --> 0:06:42.880 at that point, it doesn't kill the animal, but it's 0:06:42.920 --> 0:06:44.880 non saleable. Yeah. Yeah. It makes them, Yeah, it makes 0:06:44.920 --> 0:06:46.840 them kind of useless and so yeah, and it can 0:06:46.880 --> 0:06:50.240 be actually devastating I mean to the animals because you 0:06:50.240 --> 0:06:55.840 get that and it's like, oh, Herbie, too bad for you. Yeah. 0:06:56.720 --> 0:07:01.040 But but also some other things besides that, render past 0:07:01.120 --> 0:07:03.720 and a few other weird diseases like that. Yeah, yeah, 0:07:04.520 --> 0:07:07.279 number quite a few things they've looked into. Yeah, but 0:07:07.360 --> 0:07:10.960 mostly foot and mouth. They're looking for things like early detection, 0:07:11.640 --> 0:07:14.960 the tools and vaccines. There's I don't think they've ever 0:07:15.040 --> 0:07:17.120 invented a vaccine for foot and mouth disease. I don't 0:07:17.120 --> 0:07:19.120 think so, I don't. I don't believe that that's certainly 0:07:19.160 --> 0:07:22.200 not going to stop them from trying. I mean, probably 0:07:22.200 --> 0:07:25.640 at this point they're not trying anymore. But back then, well, yeah, 0:07:25.640 --> 0:07:28.520 we managed to eradicated in the US in ninety nine. 0:07:28.560 --> 0:07:30.960 But you know, on the other hand, it might come back. 0:07:31.000 --> 0:07:33.920 So it pays to be prepared. But yeah, mainly it 0:07:33.960 --> 0:07:36.480 is footing mouth that they do stuff there, and of 0:07:36.480 --> 0:07:38.679 course it's on the island because it's against a federal 0:07:38.760 --> 0:07:40.720 lot of study foot and mouth disease on the US 0:07:40.800 --> 0:07:43.480 mainland because as well, like I said, we eradicated it, 0:07:43.520 --> 0:07:46.280 we don't want it back, so it's not legal, and 0:07:46.320 --> 0:07:48.920 it's it's rather hard for a cow that or pig 0:07:48.960 --> 0:07:52.040 that's infected to just wander away because it's stuck on 0:07:52.040 --> 0:07:55.600 an island. That's exactly the deterred. Yeah, although there has 0:07:55.640 --> 0:07:57.960 been some talking about closing the island down and moving that, 0:07:58.040 --> 0:08:01.480 moving the whole research center to the mid Kansas somewhere, 0:08:01.760 --> 0:08:05.240 and the same thing island middle of Kansas. Yeah, where 0:08:05.240 --> 0:08:07.720 they gonna go from Kansas. Where I really love about 0:08:07.760 --> 0:08:09.720 this is that did you look at the site where 0:08:09.760 --> 0:08:12.120 they were going to put it in Kansas? It's right 0:08:12.160 --> 0:08:15.280 on if what I looked at is where they're really 0:08:15.320 --> 0:08:17.880 looking to do it. It's damn near on the banks 0:08:17.880 --> 0:08:22.520 of a river that pours straight into a major metropolitan area. 0:08:23.040 --> 0:08:25.800 And I'm like, oh great, so you're researching diseases and 0:08:25.880 --> 0:08:29.040 when you have something go wrong and it overflows, it's 0:08:29.040 --> 0:08:32.880 gonna go right in the river. But things never overflow. 0:08:33.160 --> 0:08:36.840 Things always go perfectly. If toilets have taught me anything 0:08:36.920 --> 0:08:40.280 that is not true, too, wouldn't it it would be 0:08:41.240 --> 0:08:45.600 that's there. They are a great um not it's not 0:08:45.640 --> 0:08:51.760 about a four allegory analogy. Okay, yeah, well we'll talk 0:08:51.760 --> 0:08:54.680 of that later and okay, back to our island history. 0:08:55.160 --> 0:08:57.240 Usually if you if you read about the history of 0:08:57.240 --> 0:08:59.800 the island, you also here mention of Eric Trout, who 0:08:59.840 --> 0:09:02.360 was said, you guys have heard of Eric Troub, right, yeah, 0:09:02.480 --> 0:09:04.880 supposedly a Nazi I guess he was officially a Nazi 0:09:04.920 --> 0:09:08.640 Party member, German guy who has been called the godfather 0:09:08.720 --> 0:09:11.600 of Plumb Island. Um. And during World War Two, Eric 0:09:11.640 --> 0:09:14.040 Troub worked for the German government on what's called Rheims 0:09:14.120 --> 0:09:16.640 Island off the north coast of Germany and the Baltic Sea, 0:09:16.960 --> 0:09:19.560 and he was doing kind of similar stuff biological warfare, 0:09:19.600 --> 0:09:21.959 but it was animal oriented kind of stuff. He worked 0:09:21.960 --> 0:09:24.120 on things like foot in mouth disease and render pest, 0:09:24.679 --> 0:09:27.440 just like they do on Plum Island. But of course 0:09:27.480 --> 0:09:30.599 part of the idea was an offensive use for these diseases, 0:09:30.720 --> 0:09:33.880 so you could weaponize it and infect your enemies cattle 0:09:33.960 --> 0:09:36.800 and pigs and stuff with this, and you know, like 0:09:37.080 --> 0:09:39.320 totally screw up their food supply in time of war, 0:09:39.520 --> 0:09:44.599 which is actually super effective. Yeah, an army Marxist his 0:09:44.679 --> 0:09:47.640 stomach right. Well, yeah, we talked about that in what 0:09:47.679 --> 0:09:51.920 was the potato beating exactly. So this is this has 0:09:51.960 --> 0:09:54.640 been practiced time and again, I mean thousands of years ago. 0:09:54.679 --> 0:09:59.880 It's like you invaded your enemy's territory, you burned his crops. Absolutely, so, yeah, 0:10:00.000 --> 0:10:03.200 this is old stuff, but you know, modern biological warfare 0:10:03.280 --> 0:10:06.360 kind of stuff, but old stuff. But Troub Eric Troub 0:10:06.440 --> 0:10:08.640 was brought to the US under Operation paper Clip, which 0:10:08.640 --> 0:10:10.680 you probably heard of, where we got a bunch of 0:10:10.679 --> 0:10:12.760 German scientists have brought him over here after the war 0:10:12.800 --> 0:10:15.240 before the Russian Russians could get their hands on him. 0:10:15.320 --> 0:10:18.040 And he was interviewed extensively about his work on Rehem's 0:10:18.160 --> 0:10:22.440 Island and supposedly this was maybe the inspiration for the 0:10:22.480 --> 0:10:25.880 creation of the facility of Plumb Island. Maybe, But contrary 0:10:25.920 --> 0:10:29.280 to popular legend, Trout never actually worked on Plumb Island. 0:10:29.280 --> 0:10:31.120 I think he was offered a job there one time. 0:10:31.120 --> 0:10:32.680 It was she turned down and he was like, no, 0:10:32.800 --> 0:10:37.199 I'm done. Commute I'm tired of working on islands, or 0:10:37.280 --> 0:10:39.400 maybe he had a better job offer. I don't now, 0:10:39.600 --> 0:10:42.080 And we're working on this bomb thing over here. It 0:10:42.120 --> 0:10:46.079 sounds much more exciting. Yeah, it was a foot and 0:10:46.120 --> 0:10:49.600 mouth bomb. Yeah, But as I said that, they did 0:10:49.640 --> 0:10:52.280 actually work for a little while on biological warfare. But 0:10:52.679 --> 0:10:54.520 it was kind of like what Eric Trout did on 0:10:54.600 --> 0:10:58.120 Rehem's Island. It was not human diseases, just made ways 0:10:58.160 --> 0:11:01.640 to make your enemies cows and pigs. And officially, at 0:11:01.720 --> 0:11:04.000 least that mission was enter in nineteen sixty nine by 0:11:04.040 --> 0:11:09.720 the Nickson administration. They were negotiating the Biological wearsk Business 0:11:09.760 --> 0:11:13.120 Convention at that time and which became supposed the international 0:11:13.200 --> 0:11:17.800 law in nineteen seventy two, the Biological Weapons Convention, which 0:11:17.920 --> 0:11:22.160 banned defensive research in the weaponized stuff. It's kind of 0:11:22.200 --> 0:11:24.880 an elastic standard. I think you can still research diseases. 0:11:24.960 --> 0:11:27.520 You just can't. You know. It's sort of nobody knows 0:11:27.520 --> 0:11:30.439 when when you're crossing the line and taking that research 0:11:30.480 --> 0:11:34.000 into that disease to actually unleash it on your enemies. Right. 0:11:34.679 --> 0:11:37.160 But you know, obviously, if you've got a little warhead 0:11:37.200 --> 0:11:39.480 that's designed to spread foot and mouth disease. Well, yeah, 0:11:39.480 --> 0:11:42.360 you stepped over the line. Okay, yeah, yeah. Uh and 0:11:42.400 --> 0:11:45.520 if you're manufacturing and vast quantity as well, that's kind 0:11:45.559 --> 0:11:47.319 of stepping over the line too, you gotta you know. 0:11:47.800 --> 0:11:51.960 So that's that's the biological seems like a pretty yeah, yeah, 0:11:52.040 --> 0:11:54.640 it is. Uh, well, no, it's fuzzy in a way. 0:11:55.000 --> 0:11:56.760 You know, it's just a question of quantity. I mean, 0:11:56.840 --> 0:11:59.719 how much is too much in terms of quantity? You know, 0:11:59.760 --> 0:12:01.880 one of a cross that line. Well, you know, it's 0:12:01.880 --> 0:12:04.800 it's that's that's where it gets a little bit fun. Yeah, 0:12:05.040 --> 0:12:07.160 but of course that's then the research on Plum Island 0:12:07.200 --> 0:12:10.800 has strictly officially at least been into animal diseases again 0:12:10.880 --> 0:12:15.959 put in mouth, et cetera. They've built new buildings, uh, 0:12:16.040 --> 0:12:17.880 and there are a lot of old are like buildings 0:12:17.920 --> 0:12:19.920 also to go back to the original ford. I think 0:12:19.920 --> 0:12:22.920 there's something like seventy buildings on the island, many of 0:12:22.920 --> 0:12:25.840 which are kind of fallen down and they just left 0:12:25.840 --> 0:12:29.360 because it's cheaper to just let them run away. Probably right, Yeah, maybe, 0:12:29.440 --> 0:12:31.080 I mean, you know, when you're on an island like that, 0:12:31.120 --> 0:12:33.199 bringing in demo cruise and all that kind of stuff, 0:12:33.240 --> 0:12:36.400 maybe that does cost a little electra. I mean, it 0:12:36.520 --> 0:12:39.560 is a potential. It could potentially backfire if you have 0:12:39.679 --> 0:12:42.360 them hauling away debris in an area where you were 0:12:42.400 --> 0:12:45.760 doing testing. Yeah, maybe I don't know, and maybe you've 0:12:45.760 --> 0:12:47.679 got some bodies buried out there. I don't know, but 0:12:48.080 --> 0:12:51.920 that's yeah, it could be. But that does help to 0:12:52.080 --> 0:12:54.440 further the kind of sinister image of the island because 0:12:54.480 --> 0:12:57.800 a lot of buildings are kind of scary, right when 0:12:57.800 --> 0:12:59.120 you think about it. I mean, I mean all the 0:12:59.200 --> 0:13:02.880 scary creepy up never happens in spiffy new concrete. You know, 0:13:02.920 --> 0:13:08.400 industrial buildings. There's Chinese skyscrapers. Have you noticed that I have? Yeah? Yeah, never. Yeah, 0:13:08.440 --> 0:13:12.079 because Satan likes old, krusty, ugly buildings, because Satan is 0:13:12.120 --> 0:13:14.200 old and crusty. Is that what it is. He's an old, 0:13:14.200 --> 0:13:16.800 crusty building. I'm pretty sure. Actually. Yeah. So if you're 0:13:16.840 --> 0:13:19.439 listening Hollywood, you know, so everybody occurved ball in your 0:13:19.480 --> 0:13:22.120 next horror films, they put it in a shiny office tower. 0:13:22.280 --> 0:13:24.520 I'm so excited to get like a million emails from 0:13:24.520 --> 0:13:27.760 people that are like, what about this movie? Yeah? What 0:13:27.880 --> 0:13:31.160 about that movie? I can't think we'll learn about it. Yeah, 0:13:31.559 --> 0:13:33.720 I suppose that was at the die Hard That wasn't 0:13:33.720 --> 0:13:40.760 a shiny office tower. Okay. Uh. But also you know 0:13:40.920 --> 0:13:42.840 when you think about old buildings like that that are 0:13:42.880 --> 0:13:44.600 dere looked at everything are kind of a perfect cover 0:13:44.720 --> 0:13:47.960 for secret labs, right yeah, yeah, yeah, because who would 0:13:47.960 --> 0:13:52.079 look under an old rotting warehouse? I would and I 0:13:52.120 --> 0:13:54.520 would never think to look there. Yeah, but if you're 0:13:54.520 --> 0:13:55.920 in the know, you walk in and you pick it 0:13:56.000 --> 0:13:57.640 with through the garbage and to try this, and there's 0:13:57.640 --> 0:13:59.160 a wind up passed out in the corner and you 0:13:59.240 --> 0:14:01.480 sort of roll him over and there's a shiny hatch 0:14:01.520 --> 0:14:06.480 setting made of stadless steel. Secret lab. Yeah, so yeah, 0:14:06.559 --> 0:14:09.000 that's it's a it's a perfect cover, and who knows, 0:14:09.160 --> 0:14:15.760 maybe that's what's going on there. Yeah, Jesse Venturance, I 0:14:15.760 --> 0:14:18.800 promise we talked about Jesse a little bit. Yeah. Uh. 0:14:19.560 --> 0:14:22.000 If you haven't heard of Jess, Yeah, he's the former 0:14:22.040 --> 0:14:25.680 governor of Minnesota and one of America is leading intellectually 0:14:26.280 --> 0:14:29.000 and uh had a TV show for a little while 0:14:29.120 --> 0:14:32.160 called Conspiracy Theory, and he did an episode about this 0:14:32.240 --> 0:14:35.320 particular island and you guys, I know, watch I set 0:14:35.360 --> 0:14:37.520 you guys a link. Yeah. Yeah, as much as you 0:14:37.520 --> 0:14:40.720 could as much as I could tolerate. Yeah, and we 0:14:40.760 --> 0:14:42.360 will have a link to that episode on a web 0:14:42.400 --> 0:14:45.280 page if you want to watch it. Yeah, if you've 0:14:45.280 --> 0:14:47.400 got forty five minutes in which you'd like to murder 0:14:47.440 --> 0:14:55.160 your brain, it's that it's not that bad. Oh, come on. 0:14:55.560 --> 0:14:58.840 But well, of course Jesse mentions the Montak monster, uh, 0:14:58.880 --> 0:15:01.720 and also another beast that washed ashore not too far 0:15:01.920 --> 0:15:05.240 west of there. They interviewed this local web journalist whose 0:15:05.320 --> 0:15:08.560 name was Nick cutting Narrow, and you'll see him if 0:15:08.600 --> 0:15:11.440 you watch the episode. He saw the original Montark monster 0:15:11.600 --> 0:15:14.600 which washed Ashore, I believe in two thousand and eight. Right, 0:15:15.000 --> 0:15:18.800 he obviously lives lives there. But there was also apparently 0:15:18.840 --> 0:15:22.400 a second thing that washed ashore which he saw, and 0:15:22.440 --> 0:15:24.720 they showed some video of this monster, and it's hard 0:15:24.760 --> 0:15:28.120 to say exactly what it was, but cutting Narrow did 0:15:28.160 --> 0:15:30.960 say that it had pause, or rather clause, as they said. 0:15:30.960 --> 0:15:33.720 He said they were actually like chicken claws, which is 0:15:33.760 --> 0:15:35.960 not something you normally see on fish. It's kind of 0:15:35.960 --> 0:15:39.200 which is kind of weird. H Yeah, but I've seen 0:15:39.200 --> 0:15:40.880 the video of it again. It's just this sort of 0:15:41.800 --> 0:15:43.840 you can't really tell what the hell it is. Is 0:15:43.840 --> 0:15:48.240 it like shaky you cain't camera footage? Uh, well it's not. 0:15:49.200 --> 0:15:51.440 Or is it more because it's a gelatinous blob that's 0:15:51.440 --> 0:15:54.680 been in the water. Yeah, it's kind of like that, 0:15:55.720 --> 0:15:58.200 but you know, it's some sort of hideous genetic creation 0:15:58.840 --> 0:16:02.200 obviously created in the lab. But now seriously, though, it's 0:16:02.200 --> 0:16:03.840 hard to say. When stuff is in the ocean for 0:16:03.880 --> 0:16:06.840 a long time, it's a little worse for the wear. 0:16:07.000 --> 0:16:10.840 It's yeah, but Nick cut Narrow also investigated a human 0:16:10.920 --> 0:16:13.360 body that was found on the shore of Plumb Island 0:16:13.400 --> 0:16:18.080 in January, mean or seven years ago, well almost eight 0:16:18.160 --> 0:16:21.040 years I guess. Yeah, the body was human, but it 0:16:21.080 --> 0:16:24.280 had these strangely elongated fingers. Uh. And it also had 0:16:24.320 --> 0:16:27.120 five holes drilled in the skull. Were they the size 0:16:27.120 --> 0:16:29.480 of a nine millimeter bullet? I don't know about the 0:16:29.520 --> 0:16:32.800 size of more, but they but there were five holes. 0:16:32.960 --> 0:16:36.280 And what some people have suggested would indicate the scientists 0:16:36.400 --> 0:16:40.840 or maybe performing brain experiments on this creature. Yeah, it 0:16:40.840 --> 0:16:43.360 would also wearing shirt and pants, but it had no wallet. 0:16:43.360 --> 0:16:45.840 And the other way to identify who were what it was, 0:16:46.160 --> 0:16:49.160 you know, I mean, I guess you know, the driver's 0:16:49.160 --> 0:16:55.640 licensary New York driver's licenses male female genetic aberration. Yeah, 0:16:56.480 --> 0:16:59.480 but yeah, I had. There was no identification, obviously, the 0:16:59.520 --> 0:17:02.040 body has never identified if it was ever even a 0:17:02.480 --> 0:17:05.480 fully fledched human being. But this Nick Cutt Narrow guy 0:17:05.440 --> 0:17:07.399 I want did go down to the local sheriff's office 0:17:07.440 --> 0:17:09.639 to ask questions about the body, and he said that 0:17:09.680 --> 0:17:11.520 when he got there they clambed up and wouldn't talk 0:17:11.560 --> 0:17:15.120 to him about it. Yeah but yeah, apparently he said 0:17:15.160 --> 0:17:16.760 he talked to them on the phone like the day before. 0:17:16.760 --> 0:17:17.960 He says, yeah, I want to come down and talk 0:17:17.960 --> 0:17:20.320 about it, and they said the guy just said yeah, sure, 0:17:20.400 --> 0:17:22.720 come on down. But then he shows up and it's 0:17:22.760 --> 0:17:26.080 just like bam nothing. That's probably their game with reporters 0:17:26.640 --> 0:17:29.520 is let's just make that guy come all the way 0:17:29.560 --> 0:17:32.520 down here for nothing. So I guess he's gonna come 0:17:32.560 --> 0:17:34.159 all the way down here, he's gonna spend half an 0:17:34.160 --> 0:17:36.880 hour just finding a parking spot, and he's gonna put 0:17:36.880 --> 0:17:38.879 a bunch of money in the meter, and then he's 0:17:38.920 --> 0:17:41.200 gonna show up and we're going and then we're gonna 0:17:41.200 --> 0:17:49.320 take it him for improper parking when he gets back. Yeah, 0:17:49.320 --> 0:17:51.959 but anyway, Yeah, so but he thought that was kind 0:17:51.960 --> 0:17:54.119 of haicky that they wouldn't talk to him about this body. 0:17:54.359 --> 0:17:56.480 Since Jesse aired his episode, which I think was in 0:17:56.520 --> 0:17:59.280 two thousand and eleven, somebody also posted a YouTube video 0:17:59.320 --> 0:18:02.000 I referenced it earlier of a creature that was found 0:18:02.040 --> 0:18:04.680 on the beach on Plum Island in nineteen fifty nine. 0:18:04.880 --> 0:18:06.680 And I've seen the video. I assume you guys watched 0:18:06.680 --> 0:18:10.080 the video too, right, all thirty seconds of it. It's 0:18:10.119 --> 0:18:13.479 not a very long video. Yeah, And it looks like 0:18:13.640 --> 0:18:16.720 maybe as some sort of animal human hybrid. It almost 0:18:16.720 --> 0:18:19.520 looks to me like the like like the hind quarters, 0:18:19.720 --> 0:18:22.080 back legs of a dog maybe, but the but the 0:18:22.119 --> 0:18:24.880 front legs are not dog legs, and they look they 0:18:24.880 --> 0:18:29.080 have elbows and look almost more human to me. Did either? 0:18:29.240 --> 0:18:31.840 I know Devon has, but have you, Joe, did you 0:18:31.840 --> 0:18:35.960 ever play that old video game Altered Beast? You've played 0:18:35.960 --> 0:18:39.359 Altered Beast? Devon? Oh God, what's wrong with you people? 0:18:40.320 --> 0:18:44.080 Video games? It's an old video game. Yeah, but there 0:18:44.160 --> 0:18:46.159 is one. I think one of the very first beasts 0:18:46.200 --> 0:18:49.280 you become is this dog hybrid thing, and it's got, 0:18:49.560 --> 0:18:51.440 you know, a true doghead and the rest of it 0:18:51.520 --> 0:18:54.080 just a hairy human body. That's what I thought. It 0:18:54.080 --> 0:18:56.120 looked like you saw you thought it was a human 0:18:56.119 --> 0:18:58.680 body with a dogheads kind of thing. Yeah, I thought 0:18:58.720 --> 0:19:00.560 it was kind of the opposite, like a dog, partial 0:19:00.600 --> 0:19:04.360 dog body with human arms. Maybe I don't know, yeah, 0:19:04.400 --> 0:19:06.439 but anyway, it looked like a skinny bear to me. 0:19:06.520 --> 0:19:10.160 So skinny bear. Okay, Well, well maybe if you're lucky, 0:19:10.160 --> 0:19:12.639 we'll put a link to this video, you know, you know, 0:19:12.640 --> 0:19:14.520 on your website and you can look for yourself. But 0:19:14.680 --> 0:19:17.280 unfortunately nobody's thought like like set a beer can down 0:19:17.320 --> 0:19:19.239 next to this creature for scale so you can they 0:19:19.240 --> 0:19:21.159 were creating this film when they were yeah, when they 0:19:21.160 --> 0:19:22.800 were filming it, you know, because so you can't really 0:19:22.800 --> 0:19:24.880 tell how big it is. I mean, it could be 0:19:25.359 --> 0:19:27.240 the size of a twenty pound dog, or it could 0:19:27.280 --> 0:19:28.960 be the size of a small bear. I mean, I 0:19:29.000 --> 0:19:33.240 don't know. It's just you know, it's out of that 0:19:33.240 --> 0:19:35.680 way with the Montac Monster. Frankly, I mean it's hard. 0:19:35.760 --> 0:19:38.320 You can't really tell exactly how big that thing is. Oh, 0:19:38.520 --> 0:19:42.080 there's a there's a scale reference on the fly on it. 0:19:42.440 --> 0:19:45.120 If you look, there's a horse fly on that thing, 0:19:45.240 --> 0:19:47.639 so it gives you a sense of scale. Okay, I 0:19:47.640 --> 0:19:49.920 didn't see the fly. Yeah, yeah, there's a horse fly 0:19:50.000 --> 0:19:53.320 on its shoulder, just behind its head, and it's it's 0:19:53.320 --> 0:19:56.520 almost in perfect profile. But yeah, there's a there's a 0:19:56.520 --> 0:19:58.359 fly on it, so you can actually use that to 0:19:58.760 --> 0:20:01.560 gues estimate. It's I still think a beer camp would 0:20:01.560 --> 0:20:06.040 have worked better, would be the best. Yeah, that'd be good. 0:20:06.560 --> 0:20:10.200 And the other thing about these carcasses is they disappeared, 0:20:10.240 --> 0:20:13.800 like the Montak Monster very famously was. It was photographed, 0:20:13.920 --> 0:20:17.000 but then the carcass was taken away, and it just 0:20:17.560 --> 0:20:19.960 sort of vanished, you know, and you can't nobody knows 0:20:19.960 --> 0:20:22.720 what happened to it. Same thing with this this beast 0:20:22.800 --> 0:20:24.439 or whatever they found on the on the shores of 0:20:24.520 --> 0:20:27.520 Plum Island. Same thing with the dead body that they found, 0:20:27.560 --> 0:20:31.119 and all those taken away by the authorities. I guess 0:20:31.440 --> 0:20:34.879 animal control, maybe I don't know, and the garbage man, 0:20:35.400 --> 0:20:38.719 now just kidding. I assume some guys in suits came 0:20:38.760 --> 0:20:40.679 and grabbed them into them away, but I don't know. 0:20:40.800 --> 0:20:43.479 But but the Montak Monster definitely disappeared, and that's one 0:20:43.480 --> 0:20:45.560 of the reasons that sort of contributes to the mystique 0:20:45.560 --> 0:20:48.439