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Speaker 1: ei there, welcome to another episode of Thinking Sideways. I
Speaker 1: am your host, Joe, joined as always by and Steve,
Speaker 1: who's not paying attention. I'm reading about the predators. Yeah,
Speaker 1: out in the internet right now, reading up about Jesse Ventura.
Speaker 1: We'll talk about Jesse in a minute. Yeah, I know,
Speaker 1: he's an actual hero guy. Oh yeah, he's awesome. So anyway,
Speaker 1: we're gonna talk about another cool mystery. Uh, we're going
Speaker 1: to talk about the strange goings on at a super
Speaker 1: secret government facility. It's on an island off the east
Speaker 1: coast of the United States. But you didn't know there
Speaker 1: was something like that, Daddy, Well there is. Have you
Speaker 1: heard of the Montalk Monster do you haven't? Some people have. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he's the best actor ever. Have to look at his face, like,
Speaker 1: what do you haven't? Uh? And also have you heard
Speaker 1: of lime disease? And also there's there are some other
Speaker 1: Montak monsters out there, similar kinds of things that are
Speaker 1: washed up nearby, and I've seen the pictures of them.
Speaker 1: And lime disease was first identified in nineteen seventy five.
Speaker 1: And Old Lime, Connecticut, Well, the town of Old Lime
Speaker 1: is eleven miles northwest of a place called Plumb Island,
Speaker 1: which is a tiny island in the mouth of the
Speaker 1: Long Island Sound, which puts it basically between Long Island,
Speaker 1: New York, and the coast of Connecticut. And it's about
Speaker 1: eighteen miles northwest of Montauk Point, the tip of Long Island,
Speaker 1: which is where the Montauk Monster was found on the beach. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and you guys have seen pictures of the Montauk Monster. Right, yeah,
Speaker 1: it's like, yeah, it's it's pretty weird looking. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: will agree. It is not in a good state. Yeah. Now,
Speaker 1: so people have drawn a connection. I mean, it's it's
Speaker 1: that close to Montauk Point and there's this weird island
Speaker 1: over there where the government's doing all kinds of stuff
Speaker 1: that they won't talk about. Uh. And it doesn't help
Speaker 1: that Plumb Island is surrounded by guys in boats with guns,
Speaker 1: like you know, we're talking homeland security guys. They won't
Speaker 1: let you near the island. You are not allowed to
Speaker 1: land on the island. Uh. And and actually the island
Speaker 1: was indeed a biological warfare research center for a little bit.
Speaker 1: And that's really true, that's not I'm not not just
Speaker 1: making that up, um, but that officially, at least that
Speaker 1: mission was ended in nineteen nine. Unofficially, well, who knows
Speaker 1: what's going on there. Some people suspect that maybe it's
Speaker 1: still continues or something even more nefarious. Uh. Some people
Speaker 1: suspect that, of course lime disease might have originated there,
Speaker 1: and and maybe some other things too, like the West
Speaker 1: Now virus might have originated on that island. It also
Speaker 1: doesn't help that a few of the strange things have
Speaker 1: been found nearby, like a human body that was found
Speaker 1: on the beach, or a body that seemed to be
Speaker 1: mostly human but was kind of different. That was two
Speaker 1: thousand and ten when it was found. Uh, And somebody
Speaker 1: recently dredged up some photos of another creature that was
Speaker 1: found in nineteen fifty nine on the island. You've seen
Speaker 1: those photos, I sue, Yeah, well that doesn't look like
Speaker 1: a human being. I don't think you have to agree.
Speaker 1: Maybe a human dog hybrid. So all this prompts a
Speaker 1: lot of questions, what the hell is going on on
Speaker 1: Plum Island. Well, okay, first I'm gonna give you a
Speaker 1: little background about the island. So, yeah, I know, it's
Speaker 1: totally sweet. So you all know where Long out of
Speaker 1: New York is. If you don't, we'll get into get
Speaker 1: a new Google or something and go take a look
Speaker 1: at it. This is This is Plumb Island. P l
Speaker 1: U M. Yeah. Not to be confused with Plumb Island.
Speaker 1: Yeah no, no, no, that it's just plum like the fruit. Yeah. So,
Speaker 1: Long Island is a long, skinny thing that's parallel to
Speaker 1: the coast of Connecticut and Long Island Sound is in
Speaker 1: between Connecticut and the island and then in the mouth
Speaker 1: of it on the east end you and you can
Speaker 1: find it on Google. Just type in plum Island and
Speaker 1: maps and it'll take you right there and it'll show
Speaker 1: you aerials and everything. Although I'm sure they've been dummied
Speaker 1: up by the government, but you can see there's a
Speaker 1: bunch of buildings, there's some roads and stuff like that
Speaker 1: on the on the island, it's eighty acres, it's a
Speaker 1: it's about what like one point three square miles something
Speaker 1: like that. Yeah, it's been home by the FEDS since
Speaker 1: when it was bought for a construction of Fort Terry,
Speaker 1: which at the time it was not necessary to protect
Speaker 1: Long Island Sound from enemy ships that we were at
Speaker 1: war with Spain at the time. You all remember the
Speaker 1: Spanish American War. Yeah, like it was yesterday, right, Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: and uh. And so after after I think World War Two,
Speaker 1: Fort Terry was finally shuttered and then the Army Chemical
Speaker 1: Corps took over the island. Then I guess they were
Speaker 1: going to pursue researching the biological warfare, but then they
Speaker 1: turned around and decided to give the island to the U. S.
Speaker 1: D A. That's the U. S. Department of Agriculture. Well,
Speaker 1: they had plans and they started to build, but it
Speaker 1: almost looks like it was really underfunded because they began construction,
Speaker 1: but then when the U. S. D A took over,
Speaker 1: they had to take over these buildings and use them
Speaker 1: as is and I think expand on them or complete
Speaker 1: some because it wasn't as if the facility was all
Speaker 1: there and ready from when the you know, the World
Speaker 1: War Two Organism group was in there. No, I mean
Speaker 1: for terry was. I mean they were probably there were
Speaker 1: some fortifications and probably all the rest of it was
Speaker 1: just wooden buildings for things like barracks, you know, mess
Speaker 1: halls and storage rooms and stuff like that. You know,
Speaker 1: so not exactly research laboratory stuff, right, yeah, really, but
Speaker 1: they have sense done some building on there and they've
Speaker 1: got some shiny new buildings and the USDA established the
Speaker 1: Plumb Island Animal Research or excuse the Animal Disease Center,
Speaker 1: most of the research putting mouth disease. You might also
Speaker 1: have heard of that as cliff and mouth disease, which
Speaker 1: is a nasty little thing that hits your cows and
Speaker 1: pigs and stuff like that, and it can be hard
Speaker 1: on agriculture. Uh yeah, I mean if if you if
Speaker 1: your animals get it, you have to kill them and
Speaker 1: like burn their carcasses. They're not the meat is non saleable. Yeah,
Speaker 1: at that point, it doesn't kill the animal, but it's
Speaker 1: non saleable. Yeah. Yeah. It makes them, Yeah, it makes
Speaker 1: them kind of useless and so yeah, and it can
Speaker 1: be actually devastating I mean to the animals because you
Speaker 1: get that and it's like, oh, Herbie, too bad for you. Yeah.
Speaker 1: But but also some other things besides that, render past
Speaker 1: and a few other weird diseases like that. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: number quite a few things they've looked into. Yeah, but
Speaker 1: mostly foot and mouth. They're looking for things like early detection,
Speaker 1: the tools and vaccines. There's I don't think they've ever
Speaker 1: invented a vaccine for foot and mouth disease. I don't
Speaker 1: think so, I don't. I don't believe that that's certainly
Speaker 1: not going to stop them from trying. I mean, probably
Speaker 1: at this point they're not trying anymore. But back then, well, yeah,
Speaker 1: we managed to eradicated in the US in ninety nine.
Speaker 1: But you know, on the other hand, it might come back.
Speaker 1: So it pays to be prepared. But yeah, mainly it
Speaker 1: is footing mouth that they do stuff there, and of
Speaker 1: course it's on the island because it's against a federal
Speaker 1: lot of study foot and mouth disease on the US
Speaker 1: mainland because as well, like I said, we eradicated it,
Speaker 1: we don't want it back, so it's not legal, and
Speaker 1: it's it's rather hard for a cow that or pig
Speaker 1: that's infected to just wander away because it's stuck on
Speaker 1: an island. That's exactly the deterred. Yeah, although there has
Speaker 1: been some talking about closing the island down and moving that,
Speaker 1: moving the whole research center to the mid Kansas somewhere,
Speaker 1: and the same thing island middle of Kansas. Yeah, where
Speaker 1: they gonna go from Kansas. Where I really love about
Speaker 1: this is that did you look at the site where
Speaker 1: they were going to put it in Kansas? It's right
Speaker 1: on if what I looked at is where they're really
Speaker 1: looking to do it. It's damn near on the banks
Speaker 1: of a river that pours straight into a major metropolitan area.
Speaker 1: And I'm like, oh great, so you're researching diseases and
Speaker 1: when you have something go wrong and it overflows, it's
Speaker 1: gonna go right in the river. But things never overflow.
Speaker 1: Things always go perfectly. If toilets have taught me anything
Speaker 1: that is not true, too, wouldn't it it would be
Speaker 1: that's there. They are a great um not it's not
Speaker 1: about a four allegory analogy. Okay, yeah, well we'll talk
Speaker 1: of that later and okay, back to our island history.
Speaker 1: Usually if you if you read about the history of
Speaker 1: the island, you also here mention of Eric Trout, who
Speaker 1: was said, you guys have heard of Eric Troub, right, yeah,
Speaker 1: supposedly a Nazi I guess he was officially a Nazi
Speaker 1: Party member, German guy who has been called the godfather
Speaker 1: of Plumb Island. Um. And during World War Two, Eric
Speaker 1: Troub worked for the German government on what's called Rheims
Speaker 1: Island off the north coast of Germany and the Baltic Sea,
Speaker 1: and he was doing kind of similar stuff biological warfare,
Speaker 1: but it was animal oriented kind of stuff. He worked
Speaker 1: on things like foot in mouth disease and render pest,
Speaker 1: just like they do on Plum Island. But of course
Speaker 1: part of the idea was an offensive use for these diseases,
Speaker 1: so you could weaponize it and infect your enemies cattle
Speaker 1: and pigs and stuff with this, and you know, like
Speaker 1: totally screw up their food supply in time of war,
Speaker 1: which is actually super effective. Yeah, an army Marxist his
Speaker 1: stomach right. Well, yeah, we talked about that in what
Speaker 1: was the potato beating exactly. So this is this has
Speaker 1: been practiced time and again, I mean thousands of years ago.
Speaker 1: It's like you invaded your enemy's territory, you burned his crops. Absolutely, so, yeah,
Speaker 1: this is old stuff, but you know, modern biological warfare
Speaker 1: kind of stuff, but old stuff. But Troub Eric Troub
Speaker 1: was brought to the US under Operation paper Clip, which
Speaker 1: you probably heard of, where we got a bunch of
Speaker 1: German scientists have brought him over here after the war
Speaker 1: before the Russian Russians could get their hands on him.
Speaker 1: And he was interviewed extensively about his work on Rehem's
Speaker 1: Island and supposedly this was maybe the inspiration for the
Speaker 1: creation of the facility of Plumb Island. Maybe, But contrary
Speaker 1: to popular legend, Trout never actually worked on Plumb Island.
Speaker 1: I think he was offered a job there one time.
Speaker 1: It was she turned down and he was like, no,
Speaker 1: I'm done. Commute I'm tired of working on islands, or
Speaker 1: maybe he had a better job offer. I don't now,
Speaker 1: And we're working on this bomb thing over here. It
Speaker 1: sounds much more exciting. Yeah, it was a foot and
Speaker 1: mouth bomb. Yeah, But as I said that, they did
Speaker 1: actually work for a little while on biological warfare. But
Speaker 1: it was kind of like what Eric Trout did on
Speaker 1: Rehem's Island. It was not human diseases, just made ways
Speaker 1: to make your enemies cows and pigs. And officially, at
Speaker 1: least that mission was enter in nineteen sixty nine by
Speaker 1: the Nickson administration. They were negotiating the Biological wearsk Business
Speaker 1: Convention at that time and which became supposed the international
Speaker 1: law in nineteen seventy two, the Biological Weapons Convention, which
Speaker 1: banned defensive research in the weaponized stuff. It's kind of
Speaker 1: an elastic standard. I think you can still research diseases.
Speaker 1: You just can't. You know. It's sort of nobody knows
Speaker 1: when when you're crossing the line and taking that research
Speaker 1: into that disease to actually unleash it on your enemies. Right.
Speaker 1: But you know, obviously, if you've got a little warhead
Speaker 1: that's designed to spread foot and mouth disease. Well, yeah,
Speaker 1: you stepped over the line. Okay, yeah, yeah. Uh and
Speaker 1: if you're manufacturing and vast quantity as well, that's kind
Speaker 1: of stepping over the line too, you gotta you know.
Speaker 1: So that's that's the biological seems like a pretty yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: it is. Uh, well, no, it's fuzzy in a way.
Speaker 1: You know, it's just a question of quantity. I mean,
Speaker 1: how much is too much in terms of quantity? You know,
Speaker 1: one of a cross that line. Well, you know, it's
Speaker 1: it's that's that's where it gets a little bit fun. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but of course that's then the research on Plum Island
Speaker 1: has strictly officially at least been into animal diseases again
Speaker 1: put in mouth, et cetera. They've built new buildings, uh,
Speaker 1: and there are a lot of old are like buildings
Speaker 1: also to go back to the original ford. I think
Speaker 1: there's something like seventy buildings on the island, many of
Speaker 1: which are kind of fallen down and they just left
Speaker 1: because it's cheaper to just let them run away. Probably right, Yeah, maybe,
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, when you're on an island like that,
Speaker 1: bringing in demo cruise and all that kind of stuff,
Speaker 1: maybe that does cost a little electra. I mean, it
Speaker 1: is a potential. It could potentially backfire if you have
Speaker 1: them hauling away debris in an area where you were
Speaker 1: doing testing. Yeah, maybe I don't know, and maybe you've
Speaker 1: got some bodies buried out there. I don't know, but
Speaker 1: that's yeah, it could be. But that does help to
Speaker 1: further the kind of sinister image of the island because
Speaker 1: a lot of buildings are kind of scary, right when
Speaker 1: you think about it. I mean, I mean all the
Speaker 1: scary creepy up never happens in spiffy new concrete. You know,
Speaker 1: industrial buildings. There's Chinese skyscrapers. Have you noticed that I have? Yeah? Yeah, never. Yeah,
Speaker 1: because Satan likes old, krusty, ugly buildings, because Satan is
Speaker 1: old and crusty. Is that what it is. He's an old,
Speaker 1: crusty building. I'm pretty sure. Actually. Yeah. So if you're
Speaker 1: listening Hollywood, you know, so everybody occurved ball in your
Speaker 1: next horror films, they put it in a shiny office tower.
Speaker 1: I'm so excited to get like a million emails from
Speaker 1: people that are like, what about this movie? Yeah? What
Speaker 1: about that movie? I can't think we'll learn about it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I suppose that was at the die Hard That wasn't
Speaker 1: a shiny office tower. Okay. Uh. But also you know
Speaker 1: when you think about old buildings like that that are
Speaker 1: dere looked at everything are kind of a perfect cover
Speaker 1: for secret labs, right yeah, yeah, yeah, because who would
Speaker 1: look under an old rotting warehouse? I would and I
Speaker 1: would never think to look there. Yeah, but if you're
Speaker 1: in the know, you walk in and you pick it
Speaker 1: with through the garbage and to try this, and there's
Speaker 1: a wind up passed out in the corner and you
Speaker 1: sort of roll him over and there's a shiny hatch
Speaker 1: setting made of stadless steel. Secret lab. Yeah, so yeah,
Speaker 1: that's it's a it's a perfect cover, and who knows,
Speaker 1: maybe that's what's going on there. Yeah, Jesse Venturance, I
Speaker 1: promise we talked about Jesse a little bit. Yeah. Uh.
Speaker 1: If you haven't heard of Jess, Yeah, he's the former
Speaker 1: governor of Minnesota and one of America is leading intellectually
Speaker 1: and uh had a TV show for a little while
Speaker 1: called Conspiracy Theory, and he did an episode about this
Speaker 1: particular island and you guys, I know, watch I set
Speaker 1: you guys a link. Yeah. Yeah, as much as you
Speaker 1: could as much as I could tolerate. Yeah, and we
Speaker 1: will have a link to that episode on a web
Speaker 1: page if you want to watch it. Yeah, if you've
Speaker 1: got forty five minutes in which you'd like to murder
Speaker 1: your brain, it's that it's not that bad. Oh, come on.
Speaker 1: But well, of course Jesse mentions the Montak monster, uh,
Speaker 1: and also another beast that washed ashore not too far
Speaker 1: west of there. They interviewed this local web journalist whose
Speaker 1: name was Nick cutting Narrow, and you'll see him if
Speaker 1: you watch the episode. He saw the original Montark monster
Speaker 1: which washed Ashore, I believe in two thousand and eight. Right,
Speaker 1: he obviously lives lives there. But there was also apparently
Speaker 1: a second thing that washed ashore which he saw, and
Speaker 1: they showed some video of this monster, and it's hard
Speaker 1: to say exactly what it was, but cutting Narrow did
Speaker 1: say that it had pause, or rather clause, as they said.
Speaker 1: He said they were actually like chicken claws, which is
Speaker 1: not something you normally see on fish. It's kind of
Speaker 1: which is kind of weird. H Yeah, but I've seen
Speaker 1: the video of it again. It's just this sort of
Speaker 1: you can't really tell what the hell it is. Is
Speaker 1: it like shaky you cain't camera footage? Uh, well it's not.
Speaker 1: Or is it more because it's a gelatinous blob that's
Speaker 1: been in the water. Yeah, it's kind of like that,
Speaker 1: but you know, it's some sort of hideous genetic creation
Speaker 1: obviously created in the lab. But now seriously, though, it's
Speaker 1: hard to say. When stuff is in the ocean for
Speaker 1: a long time, it's a little worse for the wear.
Speaker 1: It's yeah, but Nick cut Narrow also investigated a human
Speaker 1: body that was found on the shore of Plumb Island
Speaker 1: in January, mean or seven years ago, well almost eight
Speaker 1: years I guess. Yeah, the body was human, but it
Speaker 1: had these strangely elongated fingers. Uh. And it also had
Speaker 1: five holes drilled in the skull. Were they the size
Speaker 1: of a nine millimeter bullet? I don't know about the
Speaker 1: size of more, but they but there were five holes.
Speaker 1: And what some people have suggested would indicate the scientists
Speaker 1: or maybe performing brain experiments on this creature. Yeah, it
Speaker 1: would also wearing shirt and pants, but it had no wallet.
Speaker 1: And the other way to identify who were what it was,
Speaker 1: you know, I mean, I guess you know, the driver's
Speaker 1: licensary New York driver's licenses male female genetic aberration. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but yeah, I had. There was no identification, obviously, the
Speaker 1: body has never identified if it was ever even a
Speaker 1: fully fledched human being. But this Nick Cutt Narrow guy
Speaker 1: I want did go down to the local sheriff's office
Speaker 1: to ask questions about the body, and he said that
Speaker 1: when he got there they clambed up and wouldn't talk
Speaker 1: to him about it. Yeah but yeah, apparently he said
Speaker 1: he talked to them on the phone like the day before.
Speaker 1: He says, yeah, I want to come down and talk
Speaker 1: about it, and they said the guy just said yeah, sure,
Speaker 1: come on down. But then he shows up and it's
Speaker 1: just like bam nothing. That's probably their game with reporters
Speaker 1: is let's just make that guy come all the way
Speaker 1: down here for nothing. So I guess he's gonna come
Speaker 1: all the way down here, he's gonna spend half an
Speaker 1: hour just finding a parking spot, and he's gonna put
Speaker 1: a bunch of money in the meter, and then he's
Speaker 1: gonna show up and we're going and then we're gonna
Speaker 1: take it him for improper parking when he gets back. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but anyway, Yeah, so but he thought that was kind
Speaker 1: of haicky that they wouldn't talk to him about this body.
Speaker 1: Since Jesse aired his episode, which I think was in
Speaker 1: two thousand and eleven, somebody also posted a YouTube video
Speaker 1: I referenced it earlier of a creature that was found
Speaker 1: on the beach on Plum Island in nineteen fifty nine.
Speaker 1: And I've seen the video. I assume you guys watched
Speaker 1: the video too, right, all thirty seconds of it. It's
Speaker 1: not a very long video. Yeah, And it looks like
Speaker 1: maybe as some sort of animal human hybrid. It almost
Speaker 1: looks to me like the like like the hind quarters,
Speaker 1: back legs of a dog maybe, but the but the
Speaker 1: front legs are not dog legs, and they look they
Speaker 1: have elbows and look almost more human to me. Did either?
Speaker 1: I know Devon has, but have you, Joe, did you
Speaker 1: ever play that old video game Altered Beast? You've played
Speaker 1: Altered Beast? Devon? Oh God, what's wrong with you people?
Speaker 1: Video games? It's an old video game. Yeah, but there
Speaker 1: is one. I think one of the very first beasts
Speaker 1: you become is this dog hybrid thing, and it's got,
Speaker 1: you know, a true doghead and the rest of it
Speaker 1: just a hairy human body. That's what I thought. It
Speaker 1: looked like you saw you thought it was a human
Speaker 1: body with a dogheads kind of thing. Yeah, I thought
Speaker 1: it was kind of the opposite, like a dog, partial
Speaker 1: dog body with human arms. Maybe I don't know, yeah,
Speaker 1: but anyway, it looked like a skinny bear to me.
Speaker 1: So skinny bear. Okay, Well, well maybe if you're lucky,
Speaker 1: we'll put a link to this video, you know, you know,
Speaker 1: on your website and you can look for yourself. But
Speaker 1: unfortunately nobody's thought like like set a beer can down
Speaker 1: next to this creature for scale so you can they
Speaker 1: were creating this film when they were yeah, when they
Speaker 1: were filming it, you know, because so you can't really
Speaker 1: tell how big it is. I mean, it could be
Speaker 1: the size of a twenty pound dog, or it could
Speaker 1: be the size of a small bear. I mean, I
Speaker 1: don't know. It's just you know, it's out of that
Speaker 1: way with the Montac Monster. Frankly, I mean it's hard.
Speaker 1: You can't really tell exactly how big that thing is. Oh,
Speaker 1: there's a there's a scale reference on the fly on it.
Speaker 1: If you look, there's a horse fly on that thing,
Speaker 1: so it gives you a sense of scale. Okay, I
Speaker 1: didn't see the fly. Yeah, yeah, there's a horse fly
Speaker 1: on its shoulder, just behind its head, and it's it's
Speaker 1: almost in perfect profile. But yeah, there's a there's a
Speaker 1: fly on it, so you can actually use that to
Speaker 1: gues estimate. It's I still think a beer camp would
Speaker 1: have worked better, would be the best. Yeah, that'd be good.
Speaker 1: And the other thing about these carcasses is they disappeared,
Speaker 1: like the Montak Monster very famously was. It was photographed,
Speaker 1: but then the carcass was taken away, and it just
Speaker 1: sort of vanished, you know, and you can't nobody knows
Speaker 1: what happened to it. Same thing with this this beast
Speaker 1: or whatever they found on the on the shores of
Speaker 1: Plum Island. Same thing with the dead body that they found,
Speaker 1: and all those taken away by the authorities. I guess
Speaker 1: animal control, maybe I don't know, and the garbage man,
Speaker 1: now just kidding. I assume some guys in suits came
Speaker 1: and grabbed them into them away, but I don't know.
Speaker 1: But but the Montak Monster definitely disappeared, and that's one
Speaker 1: of the reasons that sort of contributes to the mystique
Speaker 1: of the monster, is that it vantished the way it did.
Speaker 1: Certainly not getting around and it looks alone. No, obviously,
Speaker 1: you know somebody took it and wow, why did they
Speaker 1: dispose of it? Why is it not in the museum? Uh?
Speaker 1: And also back to Jesse Ventura, you know, in his episode,
Speaker 1: which of course you're going to need to watch, you know,
Speaker 1: it's the security on Plumb Island seems to be unnaturally
Speaker 1: tight for a research facility. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I don't. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I think I mentioned that Department of Homeland Security took
Speaker 1: over the island in two thousand two. You did not,
Speaker 1: but not, Okay, now I have. Yeah. Obviously, apparently in
Speaker 1: the wake of the nine eleven attacks, it was thought, well,
Speaker 1: Plumber Island, you know, if terrorists invaded and say, set
Speaker 1: some of that stuff loose, or you know, grabbed a
Speaker 1: bunch of it and there's you know, just hooked off
Speaker 1: to the Midwest and infected all of our cat Yeah.
Speaker 1: I was kind of hoping that it was like because
Speaker 1: they were like, listen, it was really great to defend
Speaker 1: against the French or the Spanish during the Spanish American War.
Speaker 1: So this this is a good tactical move against terrorists too. Well, yeah,
Speaker 1: they a little terrorist art modest sales up. This is
Speaker 1: the first point. I'm pretty sure. Yeah, you know, it
Speaker 1: does make way more sense for them to be like, listen,
Speaker 1: we don't want anybody to hear their hands on this stuff. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but but but but Jesse seemed to think that was
Speaker 1: a little strange that there was that much security surrounding
Speaker 1: this island. Jesse thinks a lot of things, He says
Speaker 1: a lot of things. Well, yeah, and and in fairness
Speaker 1: to Jesse, I don't know if he believes all of
Speaker 1: it or not, but you know, he seemed to feel
Speaker 1: that it was just like you know, he's he's of course,
Speaker 1: as he reminds us many many times in this show
Speaker 1: that he was a former Navy seal and so he
Speaker 1: knows he knows something about these things. And he thought
Speaker 1: it was just way too way too much security for
Speaker 1: a humble agricultural research you know. Sure, So like I
Speaker 1: couldn't just like take my boat out there, Okay, could
Speaker 1: if my boat sank, could I like swim to the island?
Speaker 1: Probably could? They would probably not take you at gunpoint,
Speaker 1: and you know, like strip search you and everything like that,
Speaker 1: you know, and and probably like you know, call the
Speaker 1: local police and have you taken away where then they'd
Speaker 1: run a background test check on you have where you
Speaker 1: were released. But yeah, they wouldn't kill you, I don't think.
Speaker 1: I'm pretty sure they wouldn't and they probably wouldn't let
Speaker 1: you drown. But yeah, you're not. People are not. I
Speaker 1: heard one story about some guys that were their boats
Speaker 1: sprang a league and they and the closest islands plumb island,
Speaker 1: and so they want there and they and they were
Speaker 1: being yelled at and waved way back by the people
Speaker 1: on shore, and they actually went ahead and beached on
Speaker 1: the shore and the guy just came up and said,
Speaker 1: get that boat off our island now. We don't care
Speaker 1: if it's leaking or you're thinking or not, get it out,
Speaker 1: get it gone now. So they took they left and
Speaker 1: apparently another boat was passing by and gave him a
Speaker 1: toe back to shore, so they didn't drown. But apparently
Speaker 1: they're they're pretty hard core about not letting people on
Speaker 1: the island. Yeah, but there, of course there are people
Speaker 1: who work there. There's a ferry that goes out there
Speaker 1: every day. It takes all the workers out there, and uh,
Speaker 1: there's all sorts of security, not security in terms of guns,
Speaker 1: but interms of disease spreading and security bio security. Yeah, people,
Speaker 1: of course, you know, I have to show your ID
Speaker 1: and all that stuff, you know, and it makes sense.
Speaker 1: I mean, and then you gotta like, you know, go
Speaker 1: into a room and change out of your street clothes
Speaker 1: and into lab clothes and stuff. And then when you've
Speaker 1: done at the end of the day, you have to
Speaker 1: shower twice. But I feel like that standard for most
Speaker 1: research facilities like this, we would take it would be Yeah,
Speaker 1: so I think you have to take a disinfecting shower
Speaker 1: and then and then you go off and take another shower,
Speaker 1: you know, So it's like serious. Yeah, Devins makes a
Speaker 1: great point. It's this is not unique to Plull my
Speaker 1: lad well, and if it is, then I would like
Speaker 1: to talk to somebody because I'd like for it to
Speaker 1: be standard everywhere, Like if this is overkill, like we
Speaker 1: need more overkill places. Yeah, they're actually not even like
Speaker 1: the highest level of biosecurity there, and I think it
Speaker 1: goes up to five. I think I thought it was four,
Speaker 1: but I could be wrong, but that's fine either way.
Speaker 1: I mean, I think it's their three that Kansas site
Speaker 1: is going to be a level four, and yeah I
Speaker 1: thought there was a level five, but it doesn't matter. Well,
Speaker 1: I mean we only know there's a level four. There's
Speaker 1: probably a level five, level six, probably a level M seven.
Speaker 1: Uh probably Yeah. I just I'm just gonna go on
Speaker 1: the record and say I would like every kind of
Speaker 1: bio research facility to have like this should be the minimum.
Speaker 1: If you're researching something that can infect things, that should be.
Speaker 1: Then some poor researchers somewhere who works on, you know,
Speaker 1: making better, plumper, tastier strawberries, They're like, damn you, Devon,
Speaker 1: I have to take disinfecting showers. Now, that would be funny.
Speaker 1: I don't want you to accidentally infect my normal strawberries.
Speaker 1: I like them. Little thank you. That would that summer.
Speaker 1: But yeah, I mean it would be funny if if
Speaker 1: Devin's words were the genesis for a whole new crash
Speaker 1: program at the government to clap down on everything. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm looking forward to getting the residuals from that. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you get a lot of hate mail. It's the government.
Speaker 1: They'd probably be like, here's a million dollars a year
Speaker 1: for your suggest for your idea. Yeah, that's how they
Speaker 1: treat suggestions. Right the US. Yeah. Anyway, sorry, we've gone off. Okay,
Speaker 1: so yeah we're are oh yeah, back to back to
Speaker 1: the type security on Pull Island. Yeah. Oh by the way,
Speaker 1: by the way, if you if you're an animal like
Speaker 1: like like, if you do have to swim ashore, be
Speaker 1: sure you don't look like a deer or anything like that,
Speaker 1: because they will shoot you. That makes sense to me though,
Speaker 1: yeah it but but yeah, I mean they don't want
Speaker 1: it catching any sort of mousease anything else. You're taken
Speaker 1: back to the shore and so and so, any any
Speaker 1: crater like that on the island gets shot. There's but
Speaker 1: birds apparently do not get shot. But they shoot mammals
Speaker 1: because apparently I guess hoping the mouth is as a
Speaker 1: putt in mouth is a mammalian disease. I don't think
Speaker 1: it affects birds. Nose doesn't make the jump. Yeah, and
Speaker 1: so yeah, so they're not that worried about birds. In
Speaker 1: fact that they also don't store animals outside. They used
Speaker 1: to in the beginning, but animals now. I was actually
Speaker 1: really kind of impressed with their protocols because the entire
Speaker 1: building is negatively pressured, so that if a wind, like
Speaker 1: you know, if there's a crack in a window, it's
Speaker 1: gonna pull air from the outside rather than push it
Speaker 1: out when you get into the actual infected section where
Speaker 1: the animals are actually being infected. That's even at an
Speaker 1: even higher pressure, so all air is pulled into that
Speaker 1: area so it doesn't escape. Now they have Now they
Speaker 1: have is they have a big fan and ceiling that
Speaker 1: blows it all straight out the ceiling, a big gas fan. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean, I mean hopefully they've got all I'm hoping
Speaker 1: that that, you know, they have a really monster sized
Speaker 1: hep A filter on there and not just some crappy
Speaker 1: thing they got at home depot, you know, furnace filter
Speaker 1: or the one that they got at that uranium plant
Speaker 1: we talked about. It really good ones the bags. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm assuming that they've got some heavy duty filtration. Sure,
Speaker 1: it costs at least ten dollars more than that. It's
Speaker 1: the federal government come on tree anyway. So okay, So
Speaker 1: we don't think that it's gonna spread diseases or anything
Speaker 1: like that, Well, we don't know. I mean, some people
Speaker 1: say that it has spread disease. Again, there's people who
Speaker 1: think lime disease originated and on this island. But back
Speaker 1: to Jesse, they I don't know if you guys made
Speaker 1: it far enough to see the scene where they try
Speaker 1: to charter a local boat to take them to the island.
Speaker 1: Maybe yeah, I don't know. I'm sorry. I was yeah
Speaker 1: to get on this boat. And then it's and and
Speaker 1: Jesse said, we wanted to take us to take us
Speaker 1: to Plumb Island, and the guy says, oh, no, I
Speaker 1: can't take you there, And so they're like, oh really,
Speaker 1: you know why not? Well I'm supposed to take you there,
Speaker 1: so well, so they want asked and this marina, they
Speaker 1: asked some other boat operators and they would and they
Speaker 1: were like, no, I won't take it to Plumb Island. Sorry,
Speaker 1: I just I'm sorry. This is like I'm going to
Speaker 1: go on a lot soapbox here for a second, but
Speaker 1: this is like far and away. My biggest problem with
Speaker 1: like most conspiracy theories, is that you know, this is
Speaker 1: a reasonable thing. This is it's a government run facility
Speaker 1: with like reasonable security for what they're doing there, and
Speaker 1: reasonably they've asked all of the boat owners in the
Speaker 1: marina to not take people there because they're like, it's
Speaker 1: it's not a civilian access area. It right, I think
Speaker 1: it's more told than asked. But well, either way, okay,
Speaker 1: so I think all those things are reasonable. Yeah, j
Speaker 1: didn't see it that way, right, And so like that's
Speaker 1: the thing is, then when you come in with that
Speaker 1: conspiracy theory, you're like, well, obviously they're hiding something. It's like, no,
Speaker 1: they're just they're trying to make it so you don't
Speaker 1: accidentally infect all of our cows. That makes sense to me. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but they did then, not just the government's not just
Speaker 1: hide you said, but they struck fear into the local populace.
Speaker 1: I mean, these guys are afraid to go there. And
Speaker 1: of course from their point of view, it's like, well,
Speaker 1: I have a charter boat operator, and you know, these
Speaker 1: guys know that I live here, so they know that
Speaker 1: I know that I'm not supposed to go there. So
Speaker 1: I can't just like stumble over the island and said,
Speaker 1: on the bow of your boat, did they see you
Speaker 1: buzzing them once a week with a bunch of gawking tourists.
Speaker 1: They knew who you are, your identification numbers right there,
Speaker 1: they can very easily find you. Yeah, I just don't
Speaker 1: I don't think it's very nefarious, but well, yeah, I
Speaker 1: did look nefarious to Jesse, but a lot of things
Speaker 1: seem and it's not to him. Well yeah, but it's
Speaker 1: not just him. I mean, there there are people that
Speaker 1: are really really worried about what's going on in this island,
Speaker 1: like what if some killer plague is released? And there
Speaker 1: have been some accidents. There was one in apparently footing
Speaker 1: Mouth was released to animals off the island. Don't ask
Speaker 1: me how. I haven't heard specifics of it, but apparently
Speaker 1: there was that. I think that was when they decided
Speaker 1: to move the animals inside. I would guess I think
Speaker 1: that was. I think that was at that point. I
Speaker 1: think they recognized I think that they might have thought
Speaker 1: that perhaps what happened was it was transmitted by birds,
Speaker 1: because you know, even though the birds can't catch that,
Speaker 1: maybe a bird picks up a tick off of off
Speaker 1: of a critter, you know, and it winds up flying
Speaker 1: back to the mainland or something like that. So at
Speaker 1: that point, but they got it in hand, apparently because
Speaker 1: I could still buy I could still buy stakes at
Speaker 1: my local store, so apparently they got it under control.
Speaker 1: But the animal pans are now indoors um, which makes
Speaker 1: sense negatively pressured indoor spaces. Yeah, yeah, but of course
Speaker 1: there are other things like ticks that people think it
Speaker 1: might escape from the island. Uh. And it's believed, of course,
Speaker 1: like I said, that lime disease originated there, and there
Speaker 1: the U. S. Government has experimented with infecting insects, deliberately
Speaker 1: infecting that with bugs like cliff and mouth and other things,
Speaker 1: and then so that they could release some over enemy
Speaker 1: territory and destroy crops or destroy farm animals or whatever.
Speaker 1: And so they're thinking as well, maybe they were messing
Speaker 1: around with inspecting ticks with lime disease and then they
Speaker 1: you know, and then some of those somehow got off
Speaker 1: the island and onto the mainland. And again it's the
Speaker 1: nearest town. The nearest town Lime, Connecticut winds up being
Speaker 1: kind of we're going like ground zero for lime disease.
Speaker 1: Or are they even doing something more sinister, like radical
Speaker 1: genetic experiments resulting in like the Montauk monster, resulting in
Speaker 1: that body with the elongated fingers and the holes in
Speaker 1: its head. Yeah, is that what's going on? We'll talk
Speaker 1: about theories. Maybe, well, some people think that more and worse,
Speaker 1: So yeah, I don't Before we move on the theories
Speaker 1: any more any more thoughts you guys have any other
Speaker 1: any other stuff you want to talk about about? Theories, right,
Speaker 1: we need to get into some theories then, alright, theories. Well,
Speaker 1: we've got several theories for what's going on in the island,
Speaker 1: so okay, we'll start with the least likely first. Uh So,
Speaker 1: one theory is they are just researching animal diseases. They're
Speaker 1: telling the truth. Yeah, yeah, which is right, you know, right?
Speaker 1: And seriously, why would you put your super secret facility
Speaker 1: to research foot mouth on an island so it doesn't
Speaker 1: infect anything else? Right, Devin, Right, that's a little see Pat, Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's a sorry, making a little too much sense there. Yeah,
Speaker 1: well okay, but actually, actually no, it would make sense.
Speaker 1: That does make sense. But they could be up to
Speaker 1: some other stuff there, so you know, let's talk about
Speaker 1: what can potentially be up to. I am pro conspiracy.
Speaker 1: I think there's a lot of other like weird stuff
Speaker 1: going on, but I also don't think it's that weird
Speaker 1: that they would just put their facility researching things that
Speaker 1: are like super contagious and could totally obliterate agriculture as
Speaker 1: we know it. Yeah, on an island. So it's secretly
Speaker 1: safe and the way. Yeah. No, no, yeah, but you know,
Speaker 1: I mean they could still be shoe hoarding something. They
Speaker 1: could be doing a lot of other stuff, kinds of
Speaker 1: stuff on me. Yeah. One the area people have wondered
Speaker 1: about this is whether they're genetically engineering something, maybe conducting
Speaker 1: genetic experience experiments and maybe trying to produce disease resistant animals,
Speaker 1: and you know, perhaps some of their experiments, you know,
Speaker 1: one a little wrong and they wind up with things
Speaker 1: like the Montauk Monster or the guy with the long fingers,
Speaker 1: that kind of thing. Yeah, So that would that would
Speaker 1: that would still be in the line with their stated mission,
Speaker 1: which is protecting agriculture and lives livestock. You can try
Speaker 1: to develop vaccines and treatments for footing mouth and all
Speaker 1: that stuff, or engineer cows and pigs that are just
Speaker 1: immune to it. Yeah, I'm but I also don't think
Speaker 1: that's that weird. No, I mean, I guess that wouldn't
Speaker 1: be that weird. They just didn't and it would. I
Speaker 1: think it was in China somewhere in Asia. I believe
Speaker 1: they just genetically modified pigs. You know, if you heard
Speaker 1: about this. I don't think that the will ever get
Speaker 1: them in America. But pigs did not have the gene
Speaker 1: that allowed them to like self warm or something like that.
Speaker 1: So that's why they amass all that fat. Somebody just
Speaker 1: like spliced in a gene and the something. Yeah, I mean,
Speaker 1: like I think they did it, like with rat gene
Speaker 1: or something like that, so that they can produce their
Speaker 1: own body heat. And it's like they're leaner, happier pigs
Speaker 1: that take less resources to create. Oh so you're talking, Okay,
Speaker 1: pigs are warm bodied animals, so they can generate their
Speaker 1: own heat. What you're getting at is that they're better
Speaker 1: at retaining they can't regulate their own heat. Yeah, first
Speaker 1: whatever whatever is going on, listen, I'm literally recalling this
Speaker 1: from an NPR thing I heard like four weeks ago.
Speaker 1: I'm just saying that genetically modifying animals to be better
Speaker 1: is not this like secret thing that has to happen
Speaker 1: in actually being for a long time, a long long time.
Speaker 1: But now that we have the tools that we have,
Speaker 1: it's a literal Pandora's box because you can say, hey, look,
Speaker 1: the pigs are leaners, so they're healthier for you to eat.
Speaker 1: And by the way, it turns out, we accidentally eradicated
Speaker 1: their natural immunity to X. Yeah, and all pigs are
Speaker 1: wiped out when because they all ate raspberries or something,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. Now, I know it's like, well,
Speaker 1: and that's why they don't immediately, you know, introduce this
Speaker 1: new genetic thing into the general population. I think they
Speaker 1: let us sort of, you know, cycles yeah, that's probably
Speaker 1: not probably not a bad idea, but although but also
Speaker 1: I don't necessarily think that's again it's like not this
Speaker 1: super nefarious, weird like X file thing happening. But but again,
Speaker 1: you know, when when you're doing research, you've got to
Speaker 1: go down all kinds of avenues and paths, and some
Speaker 1: of them might be a little weirder than others, you know.
Speaker 1: But you know, but also I don't know if they're
Speaker 1: actually doing this. You think it would be easier just
Speaker 1: to develop a vaccine for this stuff than trying to
Speaker 1: you know, engineer a cow that for example, they can't
Speaker 1: catch it. Well. The hard part with the engineering a vaccine, though,
Speaker 1: is that the disease tends to be a moving target,
Speaker 1: and and there are there are certain parts of a
Speaker 1: disease that are easier to target than others. So there's
Speaker 1: there's really specific things, but those things change. It's kind
Speaker 1: of like you know, when they do the vaccines for
Speaker 1: the flu. Each year, they're hoping to go for some
Speaker 1: particular aspect of it. They're guessing at what it's going
Speaker 1: to be present that year, but it changes from year
Speaker 1: to year because all those kind of things move, and
Speaker 1: there's some more base items of a virus or things
Speaker 1: or bacteria that you can attack, but they're much harder
Speaker 1: to target specifically. That's why things like vaccines sometimes it's
Speaker 1: just a money making scheme for companies because every year
Speaker 1: they have to make a new one, which is you
Speaker 1: get the conspiracy of they're doing it on purpose. They
Speaker 1: could totally cured if they wanted to, but why would
Speaker 1: they throw away all that free money? Well that was
Speaker 1: a tangent, but but it was good. It was It
Speaker 1: was very helpful, but good quite just like cancer. They
Speaker 1: could totally cure cancer, but you know they'd rather like
Speaker 1: have people die. Oh no, I mean they won't money.
Speaker 1: That's what it is. Okay, Yeah, where where was I though?
Speaker 1: The but and you know, support for this comes from,
Speaker 1: of course horror stories about you know, like you know,
Speaker 1: the Montalk monster for example. But that's about it as
Speaker 1: far as evidence goes for this. Can we talk about
Speaker 1: what the Montalk monster was? Well, there are there are people, um,
Speaker 1: there are certain people at this it's and they're kind
Speaker 1: of out there conspiracy serio types who thinks that it
Speaker 1: was a raccoon. It was a trash panda, yeah, trash
Speaker 1: bandah yeah yeah yeah. And when you look at it, it
Speaker 1: it does kind of look like one. It's uh, I
Speaker 1: think it was missing its jaw, like its upper job
Speaker 1: as to the front of its nose was all warm. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and and it was of course, his hair was gone.
Speaker 1: Apparently after you're immersed in seawater for a certain amount
Speaker 1: of time, your hair does kind of tend to fall out.
Speaker 1: If you do some looking around, you can find photos
Speaker 1: of raccoons that have been submerged in that area, and
Speaker 1: they look almost identical, except they still have the ringtail.
Speaker 1: The hair was still on their tail. So it seems
Speaker 1: pretty clear that it's it's a raccoon, and based on
Speaker 1: the scale using that fly, probably the right size. Yeah.
Speaker 1: But raccoons are terrible, terrible little creatures, and so I'm
Speaker 1: not upset the fact that they're drowning in the they're
Speaker 1: cute until I encounter them in real life. They're awful.
Speaker 1: Find them in your neighborhood. They're never cute that kind
Speaker 1: of right. Yeah, there, it's just little monsters. They are
Speaker 1: kind of nasty. I mean, they're cute, I had to say.
Speaker 1: I like looking at pictures of them when they're cute,
Speaker 1: not like gross ones. Yeah, and they are actually a
Speaker 1: little a little sweeter natured when they're just cubs. You know.
Speaker 1: It's when they get older they get kind of mean,
Speaker 1: just like people. Yeah, really everything. Yeah fish fish fish
Speaker 1: are never cute. Yeah, I thought you, But they don't
Speaker 1: get mean like they definitely do. They attack worms and
Speaker 1: fishing lures and all kinds of stuff. They're nasty. Yeah.
Speaker 1: But anyway, the so, so, what do we got? So
Speaker 1: the evidence the Montark monster and some of the other
Speaker 1: stuff that's washed up on shore this presented is evidence
Speaker 1: doesn't look that conclusive to me because, like I said,
Speaker 1: the monster was probably a raccoon, in fact, almost certainly
Speaker 1: a raccoon. Uh. The other stuff that was unrecognizable, well
Speaker 1: that's what happens when you're in the water for a
Speaker 1: couple of weeks or a couple of months, you know,
Speaker 1: I told you my story again about my friends who
Speaker 1: came across the body in the Wayhammer River and just
Speaker 1: left because they didn't think it was a body. Yeah,
Speaker 1: they just left. Yeah, And so it's definitely at least
Speaker 1: that's what they told you. Yeah, they probably left the
Speaker 1: body there. Actually, that's what they meant when they said left. Yeah.
Speaker 1: And as for that dude that washed up on the
Speaker 1: beach in that probably was a mob hit, I'm thinking,
Speaker 1: I don't think so, you think so. No, they don't
Speaker 1: usually like experiment on brains or anything like that. They
Speaker 1: would just like you know, baseball, bat to the knees,
Speaker 1: whack them, yeah, stick their feet in concrete and just
Speaker 1: dump them. Okay, well, okay, so not a mob pretty
Speaker 1: in the back of his head with a gun. Yeah
Speaker 1: that could yeah, well yeah that's too Yeah. But so okay,
Speaker 1: maybe a mob hit or maybe a Devin like devil says,
Speaker 1: not a mob hit. But but the body did have
Speaker 1: those weird elongated fingers. But then again, on the other hand,
Speaker 1: there is this thing called Marfan syndrome. So I don't
Speaker 1: know if you guys have heard about. Yeah, yeah, so
Speaker 1: it comes with a little bit of deformation in the body.
Speaker 1: Including deformed hands with really weirdly long long fingers. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and so it might have just been some guy with
Speaker 1: mar fins. So I I didn't ever like see pictures
Speaker 1: or anything like that. No, I didn't need of it.
Speaker 1: So like that's just it's like hearsay to me, you know, like, oh,
Speaker 1: he had long fingers, like okay, yeah, well no, it's
Speaker 1: entirely possible, like I said that, it was just it
Speaker 1: could have been some sort of genetic anomally. I mean,
Speaker 1: he made have been a guy with just long fingers,
Speaker 1: could be too, I mean, but or marphins, like I said,
Speaker 1: there's some other genetic anomally I mean, actually, genetic anomalies
Speaker 1: occur naturally a lot to a lot of people, to
Speaker 1: a lot of people, and so not necessarily because there
Speaker 1: was in some sort of Frankenstein experiment going on. But
Speaker 1: in the other problem I have with this theory too,
Speaker 1: especially when it comes to the body being evidence, is
Speaker 1: the body was found on the beach of Plumb Island,
Speaker 1: So it was not on a beach as if escaping
Speaker 1: from Plumb Island. Yeah, and so it's like it's so
Speaker 1: if it was this was the fruit of one of
Speaker 1: their hideous experiments, and you've got to ask why they
Speaker 1: turned the body over to the local lease. Why would
Speaker 1: they do that. They wouldn't stay with the ninety nine footage.
Speaker 1: I mean, where did this come from? It was because
Speaker 1: again the nineteen footage, it's on YouTube. They say that
Speaker 1: it was found on Plum Island, and so you got
Speaker 1: to ask, well, okay, so if it was found out
Speaker 1: Plum Island, these guys go out and say, oh, one
Speaker 1: of our credits got away again. Good thing, we got
Speaker 1: it before we got off the island. Why would they
Speaker 1: take film of him? I mean they know us there's
Speaker 1: and I want to just like, you know, bag them
Speaker 1: up and haul them back to the incinerator. But being
Speaker 1: is real, No, I had no idea, you know it.
Speaker 1: I was going to say, because I feel like the
Speaker 1: video is like if you okay, So, if anybody has
Speaker 1: you ever used any kind of film animation software, there
Speaker 1: are preset filters to age things, to give it the
Speaker 1: lines and the spots. And if you play that thing
Speaker 1: slow and you watch a spot, you know you can
Speaker 1: pick like just pick a quadrant. You'll start to see
Speaker 1: the same set of lines appearing over and over. There's
Speaker 1: no randomness to which if it was real old scratched
Speaker 1: up film, it will be completely random. So that is
Speaker 1: that is somebody's fun thing that they made and antiqued
Speaker 1: with some kind of I don't know, I movie filter
Speaker 1: or something with probably like a dummy from Spirit Halloween,
Speaker 1: because you know, what it really looks like to me
Speaker 1: is like a werewolf decoration you would get like at
Speaker 1: a Halloween story. You know that. I mean to me,
Speaker 1: it looks totally like a dog body except for the
Speaker 1: front legs, right, which is what where will things look
Speaker 1: like often where they're like, you know, the arms of
Speaker 1: a human going oh, but like everything else is the dog.
Speaker 1: Like I really wish everybody could have seen you pantomime.
Speaker 1: It was quite funny because we got our TV show. Yeah,
Speaker 1: um no, I mean I think that's kind of what
Speaker 1: it looks like to me is like somebody took their
Speaker 1: like werewolf dummy out like filmed it and then like
Speaker 1: put a filter on it and was like this from night,
Speaker 1: especially since it was released after this like other weird
Speaker 1: mont talk that you know, it's kind of to me
Speaker 1: it was that point grab. Yeah, it was put on
Speaker 1: YouTube and I think, yeah, well, and the problem is
Speaker 1: is that you know what if it was a real
Speaker 1: if it was real and it was really somebody out
Speaker 1: there with a camera checking out this weird thing they
Speaker 1: had come across, they just circles it. Instead, this came
Speaker 1: don't walk around it. Yeah, this stays in one place
Speaker 1: and floats back and forth, almost as if it's someone
Speaker 1: holding out a cell phone camera and just kind of
Speaker 1: shifting back and forth. Knowing that like the zipper goes
Speaker 1: up the back of the costume media. Yeah, that sort
Speaker 1: of thing. That well, also, I gotta say that, you know,
Speaker 1: next time you want to put something like that out there,
Speaker 1: don't say you found it on the beach on Plum Island.
Speaker 1: You found you found out on the beach like, you know,
Speaker 1: just across the shore from Plum Island on Long Island. Hello, Okay,
Speaker 1: so that all right? So kind of butcher death thing. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I gotta I gotta say I I don't think. I
Speaker 1: don't give a lot of credence to this whole genetic
Speaker 1: experimentation kind of thing going on in the island. There's
Speaker 1: just no like I said, I uh, you know, as
Speaker 1: far as the human body, it was a mob hit.
Speaker 1: You know, somebody got shot in the head. Okay, sorry, Okay,
Speaker 1: in deference to Devon, it was an accident, okay, uh okay. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so no, no hideous genetic experiments. But maybe they were
Speaker 1: creating some sort of fast breeding ticks and mosquitoes, or
Speaker 1: maybe just not trying to breathe the ticks of mosquitoes,
Speaker 1: but just trying to come up with a breed of
Speaker 1: tick that would take various diseases without getting infected and
Speaker 1: dying themselves. That's the whole thing about those. You gotta
Speaker 1: make sure the bug itself is just going to carry
Speaker 1: it and not die from the disease itself. And so
Speaker 1: maybe they were messing with that stuff, some of those
Speaker 1: ticks or bugs got out and next thing you know,
Speaker 1: we got lime disease was not a disease, et cetera.
Speaker 1: So maybe it didn't actually originate there, but it just
Speaker 1: got Another possibility is that just got a foothold in
Speaker 1: the population because there were more ticks to spread it
Speaker 1: around from. There's some serious flaws in this, well there
Speaker 1: are Yeah, what that sounds wrong, and there is actually
Speaker 1: a theory that's out there, and you know, and on
Speaker 1: apparently reputable pages that there we have a bigger tick
Speaker 1: problem today in the US because of government experiments in
Speaker 1: the nineteen fifties and sixties. In other words, they were
Speaker 1: doing all this experiment and they were a little careless.
Speaker 1: And now we've got more ticks in the US and
Speaker 1: their guess what, unfortunately, faster breeding ticks and the government.
Speaker 1: And this is not entirely out of speculation, because the
Speaker 1: government did do research on all this stuffy because they're
Speaker 1: using it as a weapon weapon. Yeah, And obviously creating
Speaker 1: a faster breeding tick, for example, does make sense if
Speaker 1: you want to drop a bunch of ticks behind enemy lines,
Speaker 1: and you know, the faster they breathe, the better it is.
Speaker 1: As a weapon. You just want to make damn sure
Speaker 1: they don't get out of your lab and into your
Speaker 1: own country kind of screw I like maybe putting your
Speaker 1: lab on an island. Yeah, that's one way to do
Speaker 1: so it's harder for them to get a place. Yeah.
Speaker 1: And of course that once you created these fast reading ticks,
Speaker 1: you know, you infect them with whatever diseases you want
Speaker 1: to spread and there you go. Again. It's not too
Speaker 1: far out there. Actually, uh, quite a few everyones have
Speaker 1: done research along these lines. And like we talked about earlier,
Speaker 1: if you can destroy the enemy's food supply. Great idea,
Speaker 1: what time anyway, especially if like you can do it
Speaker 1: with ticks or something that might also like get on
Speaker 1: humans and make them miserable, Like if you've got your
Speaker 1: troops are also infected with ticks or something like that,
Speaker 1: like that extra miserable. Not only are you not eating well,
Speaker 1: but also you're somehow infested with this thing. And yeah,
Speaker 1: I don't never had a tick, but you know, I
Speaker 1: kind of suspect I would like it if I can. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I don't think so. Yeah, not a few people that
Speaker 1: had ticks, Yeah they got rid of at least I
Speaker 1: hope they did. But apparently, from everything all my research
Speaker 1: indicates is the research that was done on ticks and
Speaker 1: infecting these bugs and stuff like that was all done
Speaker 1: at Fort Dietrich, Maryland. So not Plumb Island. Apparently not.
Speaker 1: I I've found no evidence that it was done on
Speaker 1: Plum Island. That's just what they want you to think. Oh,
Speaker 1: that's good point to uh for Dietrict is kind of
Speaker 1: the place. It's kind of the place. Is a much
Speaker 1: bigger place than Plumb Island. A lot more going on there,
Speaker 1: I mean a lot of people working there and working
Speaker 1: on stuff like this and bio warfare kind of stuff.
Speaker 1: And it's of course, you know, for dietricts, it's possible
Speaker 1: some ticks escaped. I think maybe the Internet certainly seems
Speaker 1: to have a lot of fleas and ticks on its Yeah,
Speaker 1: so maybe that's where they all came from. And now,
Speaker 1: if you think about it, if they were it's possible
Speaker 1: that that maybe some ticks got into the facility on
Speaker 1: the backs of some cattle and the Plumb Island they
Speaker 1: came on with the island. Somehow they came on. I
Speaker 1: don't I don't know how thoroughly they were checked for
Speaker 1: that kind of stuff. And the ones they're they're they're
Speaker 1: on the island and some lab tech goes by, they
Speaker 1: hop onto the lab tech, hop off in the lab
Speaker 1: into a patriots, swim around a little bit and infected
Speaker 1: with this that like lime disease or whatever, hop onto
Speaker 1: another human and then out the door and make get
Speaker 1: through the two decontamination showers and change of clothes. Well
Speaker 1: that would be the tricky part, wouldn't it. Yeah, But yeah,
Speaker 1: it's possible. Again, you know, I don't know how Again,
Speaker 1: line disease, I think as I think they think it's
Speaker 1: been around. It's about the mid seventies, so back when
Speaker 1: they were a little longer than that. Yeah, probably, I mean,
Speaker 1: I mean there's a lot of disease, like HIV is
Speaker 1: one of those ones where they they were pretty sure
Speaker 1: it came it was actually here in America at a
Speaker 1: certain point, like in the early eighties, late seventies, and
Speaker 1: now the suddenly realizing, oh wait, we've identified some cases
Speaker 1: that were earlier than that, so apparently it was around.
Speaker 1: But I mean, we just got better at diagnosing things,
Speaker 1: you know, Like we used to be like, oh, it's
Speaker 1: you have hysteria, you know, or or whatever, we gotta
Speaker 1: let all your blood out of your body because it's
Speaker 1: infected like that. None of those were things, but we
Speaker 1: thought them for a long time. And now it's like
Speaker 1: we have this higher instance of you know, anxiety, but like, oh,
Speaker 1: maybe we just got good at saying it's anxiety not hysteria.
Speaker 1: Uh yeah, yeah, you know. Lune disease has been around
Speaker 1: for a long time, though, I mean, what is it
Speaker 1: the it's to the three hundred thousand cases of it
Speaker 1: are identified or diagnosed, a more than two hundred thousand
Speaker 1: cases in the US per year, Okay. Now that's because
Speaker 1: we have a very specific set of criteria to identify
Speaker 1: it within very good tests to run to Actually, it
Speaker 1: actually is hard to identify it is, and it's it's
Speaker 1: got some very distinct things like the ring around the
Speaker 1: tick bite is a giant indicator, the bull's eye around
Speaker 1: the bike. But there is there's stuff out there from
Speaker 1: historical writings from the late seventeen and the mid eighteen
Speaker 1: hundreds of people coming to the East coast of the
Speaker 1: United States and being like, dude, this place is lousy
Speaker 1: with ticks. They are literally hanging off of the trees
Speaker 1: to drop on you, and everybody's getting bid And then
Speaker 1: they're it's doctors who are treating people reporting symptoms that
Speaker 1: are pretty much without having you know, the to the
Speaker 1: degree that we can diagnose things, but it's all visual diagnosis.
Speaker 1: It's totally totally lime disease. The first diagnosed case with
Speaker 1: seventeen six, Like, that's crazy, way longer ago than you know.
Speaker 1: This is not a new thing, that's what that's what's
Speaker 1: just so I rolled my eyes at this because it's
Speaker 1: been around for a long time. I mean, but but
Speaker 1: the theory is, well, they didn't necessarily create the disease
Speaker 1: from scratches up, but that they cause the outbreak and
Speaker 1: lime Connecticut and by by infecting ticks, deliberately infecting ticks
Speaker 1: and then just letting him escape. Sure, maybe, again, I
Speaker 1: I don't find that totally persuasive, because I get I don't.
Speaker 1: One of the problems I have with this theory is that, well,
Speaker 1: maybe they were that care less and they let a
Speaker 1: few ticks go. But the other thing is as a
Speaker 1: biowarfare agent, lime disease is, it's just not what the
Speaker 1: one that I would pick Dad. It kind of sucks
Speaker 1: as a biowarfare is because, yeah, it's going to infect
Speaker 1: your soldiers and like what a couple of years down
Speaker 1: the line, they're going to get aches and paints and
Speaker 1: their joints and you know, and and stuff like that.
Speaker 1: Very very few people have immediate and debilitating reactions track
Speaker 1: lime disease exactly. You know. So I mean by the
Speaker 1: time that by the time it finally kicks in and
Speaker 1: affects the enemy soldiers, well maybe the war is already over. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but it's it's a it's a crappy we're more effective
Speaker 1: to investigate how to you know, apply athletes foot to
Speaker 1: your enemy because that's going to take hold faster than Yeah,
Speaker 1: that one was easy. You just like make them build
Speaker 1: trenches and then haven't rained a lot. Yeah that works. Yeah,
Speaker 1: they figured that one out a long time. Yeah. So
Speaker 1: that's so so much for lime disease. I guess I
Speaker 1: just think that. Yeah, okay, okay, so they didn't originate
Speaker 1: lime disease, the lime disease out break. Maybe they're still
Speaker 1: pursuing bio warfare though, because I mean, even though we've
Speaker 1: officially given up on biological weapons, there is such things
Speaker 1: keeping your options open, right, Yeah, I mean yeah, uh
Speaker 1: so our official policy today is that we will deter
Speaker 1: biological attack with the nuclear response, which is great, but
Speaker 1: you know, what if a future commander achieved just doesn't
Speaker 1: quite have the moxie to drop a nuke or two,
Speaker 1: or what if an enemy launches a biottack on our
Speaker 1: troops but it's not something like like massive deadly anthrax,
Speaker 1: but something like the flu or something like that, So
Speaker 1: to where we we know that they bio attacked our troops,
Speaker 1: but they didn't give something that's totally deadly like anthrax.
Speaker 1: And that's the problem with the nuclear deterrent is that well,
Speaker 1: it's an it's an on off switch kind of things,
Speaker 1: and either or it's like having as having a sledgehammer
Speaker 1: when you're dealing with a mosquito or two, and so
Speaker 1: having some bio weapons laying around for just in case,
Speaker 1: whether you're not a a treated it's not really such
Speaker 1: a bad idea. Yeah, as a return if nothing else. Again,
Speaker 1: research is not entirely prohibited by the Biological Weapons Convention
Speaker 1: of nineteen seventy two. You can still do some research. Well,
Speaker 1: so it's not inconceivable that they're looking into this kind
Speaker 1: of stuff on the island. Again, covert kind of thing.
Speaker 1: If it's something you don't really want to advertise, I mean,
Speaker 1: you can hide it inside another program, which is what
Speaker 1: people you know, what's the government likes to do. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm also not convinced that doing research into biowarfare necessarily
Speaker 1: has to be as an offensive. You know. It seems
Speaker 1: possible that the US government, thinking well, hey, maybe somebody's
Speaker 1: going to attack us with anthrax, could do a bunch
Speaker 1: of research into Hey, is there any way to you know,
Speaker 1: nullify this is I'm totally pouring this out of my research.
Speaker 1: But if they're a way to like nullify the reaction
Speaker 1: to anthrax, or is there some sort of treatment that
Speaker 1: we can give people for certain different biological attacks, And
Speaker 1: you know, it's not necessarily like prudent, and definitely you
Speaker 1: probably don't really want to like tell your enemies like,
Speaker 1: oh yeah, hey, don't worry, We've got the treatment for
Speaker 1: all these things now. But that would be continuing research
Speaker 1: into a sort of biowarfare thing that's not necessarily nefarious
Speaker 1: in nature. But also you probably would want to keep secret.
Speaker 1: It seems like that would be a thing, right, am
Speaker 1: I crazy? Doesn't it think like you would want to
Speaker 1: figure out a way to protect your citizens? No? You do,
Speaker 1: you do? You do? And you want to like it's
Speaker 1: a backup. Yeah, it's a backup plan, and you probably
Speaker 1: want to keep it a little bit secret because if
Speaker 1: you've identified like, so, okay, we found we found a
Speaker 1: factor of treatments for vaccine any bowla and berry berry
Speaker 1: and disco music, and so we got and and and
Speaker 1: so you let your enemy know that, and then and
Speaker 1: the enemy of course it is like, okay, well we're
Speaker 1: not going to bother with those things. So you don't
Speaker 1: want to keep that a little bit a little bit
Speaker 1: hush us. I mean it seems similar to me, like
Speaker 1: that Carat campaign, when you know the US was, oh, yeah,
Speaker 1: we have actually we have radar now right, but they
Speaker 1: were like, oh, actually are carrots and it it gets
Speaker 1: it makes your eyes fight better, and that's what our
Speaker 1: troops are doing. That's how they're able to find you guys.
Speaker 1: We don't have this new technology, right. I mean, it's
Speaker 1: a kind of you would just I don't know what,
Speaker 1: I don't know, it just makes sense. But also probably yeah,
Speaker 1: like it's the US, so I'm not gonna put put anything. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm not going to put it past them. To be well,
Speaker 1: you should put anything past any government, any human and
Speaker 1: frankly and frankly, which is why I'm curious about that
Speaker 1: chemistry set down in your basement. You should be worried
Speaker 1: about more than that. But yeah, not just the US,
Speaker 1: but I think any goavernment there, it's actually kind of
Speaker 1: their job go to represent their country's interests. So they're
Speaker 1: not about the touchy feely stuff. They're about, you know,
Speaker 1: playing hardball, you know, when it comes to things like
Speaker 1: national security. That's kind of what they gotta do. I mean,
Speaker 1: that's their job. But I think that it. Well, go ahead,
Speaker 1: I was just gonna say with along with this theory though,
Speaker 1: with the whole bio weapon theory. People are using this theory,
Speaker 1: as you know, their writer for the whole thing with
Speaker 1: West Nile virus, and the allegations seemed to go from
Speaker 1: they created West Nile virus to they're spreading West Nile
Speaker 1: virus in the United States to observe it, which I mean, again,
Speaker 1: it's the same thing. It doesn't make sense. West Nile
Speaker 1: virus was first identified in the late thirties, and there's
Speaker 1: actually a very obvious infection trail through time of it
Speaker 1: moving from I think, oh god, I forgot where it
Speaker 1: was first identified, but probably so, I don't remember exactly where,
Speaker 1: but it was. You know, you can follow the trail
Speaker 1: as it goes from one country to the next and
Speaker 1: makes its way along. So I mean, this this this theory.
Speaker 1: People grab whatever is their current scary bug and seemed
Speaker 1: to say, well, obviously Plumb Island was working on that,
Speaker 1: but never I mean, if you just stop and look
Speaker 1: at the history, it's been around, it's been around, it
Speaker 1: doesn't make any sense. Well, yeah, the whole idea too
Speaker 1: that you know what you know, we're gonna like release
Speaker 1: it in America so they can like, you know, see
Speaker 1: what's what's going to happen. It's like, well why not
Speaker 1: why not release it in a foreign country like say Nevada?
Speaker 1: You know, I mean, I mean why you know, why
Speaker 1: America just kidding Nevada? Well, why not a foreign country?
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, And because and any of this, say,
Speaker 1: oh you've got an outbreak of a disease, that's okay,
Speaker 1: we'll send our best people in there to help out.
Speaker 1: And you could totally observe somewhere else and and kill
Speaker 1: all somebody else's citizens, and you know, and so it
Speaker 1: doesn't make sense to deliberately release it in the US.
Speaker 1: And you know, I don't know how it got in fact,
Speaker 1: you know, and mosquitoes got infected with it accidentally. It's
Speaker 1: it's not that hard to keep mosquitoes out of your lab.
Speaker 1: You know, they can't just fly in the door. You
Speaker 1: can always put fly strips up. I guess the mosquitoes
Speaker 1: they fly to that, or you gotta put up those
Speaker 1: attracted to it. You gotta put accident, you gotta put
Speaker 1: those little little electric things out that they fly in
Speaker 1: the blue lights. Yeah, yeah, that'll do the trick. My
Speaker 1: other thing is if you can have a super secret
Speaker 1: biowarfare project, I don't think plumb Island is the best choice. Everybody.
Speaker 1: Everybody thinks, well, it's an island, it's so isolated secret.
Speaker 1: But the thing about islands is they're actually pretty easy
Speaker 1: to keep an eye on and spy on and stuff
Speaker 1: like that. There's only one way out and off the
Speaker 1: island for all the people who work there. That's the ferry,
Speaker 1: which means it's easier to keep tabs on who's who's
Speaker 1: coming and going. Plus we know of the Chinese. Yeah,
Speaker 1: we already know that the research facilities actually underneath d
Speaker 1: i A. So yeah, Denver International Air problem. Yeah yeah.
Speaker 1: The other problem with an island is that they're subject
Speaker 1: to weather, and you know, big storms and hurricanes come through. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Oh well, look all of your research just got spread
Speaker 1: across the Eastern seaboard. Let's see what it does to
Speaker 1: them that Wellies facilities are obviously underground, obviously a mile yeah,
Speaker 1: half a mile underground of course. Yeah. But that's how
Speaker 1: they're getting people to in front the facility without the
Speaker 1: Russian seeing them, is they have that underground elevator that
Speaker 1: they're all taking. You're right, the ferry is actually red herring. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's probably what it is. Yeah, it's just it's just
Speaker 1: like filled with inflatable dummies. But now I think a
Speaker 1: better way to do is to bury your secret labit
Speaker 1: side a really huge military base with a lot of
Speaker 1: people coming and go on espetially people who have degrees
Speaker 1: and like you know, biology and all kinds of international
Speaker 1: airport stuff. Now I'm thinking Port Dietrich, Maryland. Actually, yeah,
Speaker 1: that's that's a pretty huge place, and you could you
Speaker 1: could totally bury your project inside that a lot easier
Speaker 1: you can hide it on an island that So I'm
Speaker 1: kind of liking after the bio warfare, So we're coming
Speaker 1: up to our last series, which is the true purpose
Speaker 1: of Palm Island. Doesn't mean they're not actually doing some
Speaker 1: animal disease research, but that's not really the reason for
Speaker 1: their existence. And I think what it is is all
Speaker 1: that's a cover, and I think the actual purpose is
Speaker 1: containment of the Kennedy family. Yeah, plus Disney. Disney is
Speaker 1: there too, right, Oh yeah, he's there too, I'm pretty sure. Well, yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm confident he's wherever the kidneys Kennedys. You know, yeah,
Speaker 1: I but but you know, if you're where the Kennedys
Speaker 1: are rich and uh and and they like you've all
Speaker 1: seen those pictures of JFK and RFK and Teddy and
Speaker 1: all the whole families sailing on Long Island sound right, Yeah,
Speaker 1: because rich people do. Yeah, exactly. They have mansions out
Speaker 1: there and they like to sail the sound, and naturally, uh,
Speaker 1: you know, the government is concerned that they might escape
Speaker 1: the sound and reak havoc on the shipping lanes, which
Speaker 1: would devastate our economies. That's why. That's why they're doing it. Yeah.
Speaker 1: So they're actually there to They're not there to keep
Speaker 1: something out. They're there to keep something yeah, don't don't. Yeah.
Speaker 1: So okay, there it is the real purpose of Palm Island.
Speaker 1: And again it doesn't mean they're not you know, like
Speaker 1: piggyback on top of the doing a little research on top.
Speaker 1: But it's just Kennedy's once again. Okay, well that's about
Speaker 1: it for my series. You guys have any series. I
Speaker 1: like the very first one, which is that it's exactly
Speaker 1: what it says, researching animal diseases that could be it,
Speaker 1: that's what they said on the web page. Uh. Yeah,
Speaker 1: although you know, the best thing that I found in
Speaker 1: researching this entire episode was a comic strip, and I
Speaker 1: cannot remember who it is. It's a it's a very
Speaker 1: famous illustrator, always kind of squiggly lined characters, and it's
Speaker 1: the doctor walking into a patient saying, well, it's obvious
Speaker 1: that you have hoof and mouth disease, and he's got
Speaker 1: a horse standing in front of him and mouth. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Someday I'll tell you all about the amusing cartoons my
Speaker 1: doctor's got on a wall in his office. I don't
Speaker 1: want to. Let's let's keep you going. Not the proctologist,
Speaker 1: not him. Okay, Well anyway, Uh, that concludes our episode
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