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Speaker 1: ei there, welcome to another episode of Thinking Sideways. I

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Speaker 1: am your host, Joe, joined as always by and Steve,

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Speaker 1: who's not paying attention. I'm reading about the predators. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: out in the internet right now, reading up about Jesse Ventura.

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Speaker 1: We'll talk about Jesse in a minute. Yeah, I know,

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Speaker 1: we're gonna talk about another cool mystery. Uh, we're going

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Speaker 1: to talk about the strange goings on at a super

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Speaker 1: secret government facility. It's on an island off the east

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Speaker 1: was something like that, Daddy, Well there is. Have you

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Speaker 1: heard of the Montalk Monster do you haven't? Some people have. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: he's the best actor ever. Have to look at his face, like,

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Speaker 1: what do you haven't? Uh? And also have you heard

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Speaker 1: Montak monsters out there, similar kinds of things that are

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Speaker 1: And lime disease was first identified in nineteen seventy five.

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Speaker 1: And Old Lime, Connecticut, Well, the town of Old Lime

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Speaker 1: is eleven miles northwest of a place called Plumb Island,

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Speaker 1: eighteen miles northwest of Montauk Point, the tip of Long Island,

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Speaker 1: which is where the Montauk Monster was found on the beach. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: and you guys have seen pictures of the Montauk Monster. Right, yeah,

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Speaker 1: it's like, yeah, it's it's pretty weird looking. Yeah, I

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Speaker 1: will agree. It is not in a good state. Yeah. Now,

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Speaker 1: so people have drawn a connection. I mean, it's it's

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Speaker 1: like you know, we're talking homeland security guys. They won't

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Speaker 1: land on the island. Uh. And and actually the island

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Speaker 1: was indeed a biological warfare research center for a little bit.

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Speaker 1: And that's really true, that's not I'm not not just

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Speaker 1: suspect that, of course lime disease might have originated there,

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Speaker 1: and and maybe some other things too, like the West

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Speaker 1: Now virus might have originated on that island. It also

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Speaker 1: doesn't help that a few of the strange things have

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Speaker 1: Yeah no, no, no, that it's just plum like the fruit. Yeah. So,

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Speaker 1: War Two Organism group was in there. No, I mean

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Speaker 1: most of the research putting mouth disease. You might also

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Speaker 1: like burn their carcasses. They're not the meat is non saleable. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: So it pays to be prepared. But yeah, mainly it

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Speaker 1: the first point. I'm pretty sure. Yeah, you know, it

423
00:22:00,640 --> 00:22:02,480
Speaker 1: does make way more sense for them to be like, listen,

424
00:22:02,520 --> 00:22:05,080
Speaker 1: we don't want anybody to hear their hands on this stuff. Yeah,

425
00:22:05,480 --> 00:22:07,800
Speaker 1: but but but but Jesse seemed to think that was

426
00:22:07,800 --> 00:22:11,560
Speaker 1: a little strange that there was that much security surrounding

427
00:22:11,600 --> 00:22:14,960
Speaker 1: this island. Jesse thinks a lot of things, He says

428
00:22:15,000 --> 00:22:19,280
Speaker 1: a lot of things. Well, yeah, and and in fairness

429
00:22:19,320 --> 00:22:21,000
Speaker 1: to Jesse, I don't know if he believes all of

430
00:22:21,000 --> 00:22:24,160
Speaker 1: it or not, but you know, he seemed to feel

431
00:22:24,160 --> 00:22:26,400
Speaker 1: that it was just like you know, he's he's of course,

432
00:22:26,520 --> 00:22:28,480
Speaker 1: as he reminds us many many times in this show

433
00:22:28,520 --> 00:22:30,359
Speaker 1: that he was a former Navy seal and so he

434
00:22:30,400 --> 00:22:32,720
Speaker 1: knows he knows something about these things. And he thought

435
00:22:32,720 --> 00:22:36,959
Speaker 1: it was just way too way too much security for

436
00:22:37,000 --> 00:22:40,840
Speaker 1: a humble agricultural research you know. Sure, So like I

437
00:22:40,880 --> 00:22:44,400
Speaker 1: couldn't just like take my boat out there, Okay, could

438
00:22:44,119 --> 00:22:47,000
Speaker 1: if my boat sank, could I like swim to the island?

439
00:22:47,320 --> 00:22:50,119
Speaker 1: Probably could? They would probably not take you at gunpoint,

440
00:22:50,119 --> 00:22:53,560
Speaker 1: and you know, like strip search you and everything like that,

441
00:22:53,880 --> 00:22:55,840
Speaker 1: you know, and and probably like you know, call the

442
00:22:55,840 --> 00:22:57,920
Speaker 1: local police and have you taken away where then they'd

443
00:22:58,000 --> 00:23:00,320
Speaker 1: run a background test check on you have where you

444
00:23:00,359 --> 00:23:04,080
Speaker 1: were released. But yeah, they wouldn't kill you, I don't think.

445
00:23:04,080 --> 00:23:05,919
Speaker 1: I'm pretty sure they wouldn't and they probably wouldn't let

446
00:23:05,960 --> 00:23:08,720
Speaker 1: you drown. But yeah, you're not. People are not. I

447
00:23:08,760 --> 00:23:11,840
Speaker 1: heard one story about some guys that were their boats

448
00:23:11,800 --> 00:23:14,959
Speaker 1: sprang a league and they and the closest islands plumb island,

449
00:23:15,160 --> 00:23:18,680
Speaker 1: and so they want there and they and they were

450
00:23:18,680 --> 00:23:20,800
Speaker 1: being yelled at and waved way back by the people

451
00:23:20,800 --> 00:23:23,040
Speaker 1: on shore, and they actually went ahead and beached on

452
00:23:23,119 --> 00:23:24,680
Speaker 1: the shore and the guy just came up and said,

453
00:23:25,040 --> 00:23:28,000
Speaker 1: get that boat off our island now. We don't care

454
00:23:28,040 --> 00:23:30,080
Speaker 1: if it's leaking or you're thinking or not, get it out,

455
00:23:30,160 --> 00:23:33,359
Speaker 1: get it gone now. So they took they left and

456
00:23:33,359 --> 00:23:35,840
Speaker 1: apparently another boat was passing by and gave him a

457
00:23:35,880 --> 00:23:38,800
Speaker 1: toe back to shore, so they didn't drown. But apparently

458
00:23:38,800 --> 00:23:40,879
Speaker 1: they're they're pretty hard core about not letting people on

459
00:23:40,920 --> 00:23:44,359
Speaker 1: the island. Yeah, but there, of course there are people

460
00:23:44,359 --> 00:23:46,720
Speaker 1: who work there. There's a ferry that goes out there

461
00:23:46,760 --> 00:23:49,360
Speaker 1: every day. It takes all the workers out there, and uh,

462
00:23:49,720 --> 00:23:53,200
Speaker 1: there's all sorts of security, not security in terms of guns,

463
00:23:53,200 --> 00:23:57,760
Speaker 1: but interms of disease spreading and security bio security. Yeah, people,

464
00:23:58,040 --> 00:23:59,640
Speaker 1: of course, you know, I have to show your ID

465
00:24:00,000 --> 00:24:02,919
Speaker 1: and all that stuff, you know, and it makes sense.

466
00:24:02,960 --> 00:24:05,479
Speaker 1: I mean, and then you gotta like, you know, go

467
00:24:05,520 --> 00:24:08,200
Speaker 1: into a room and change out of your street clothes

468
00:24:08,200 --> 00:24:10,320
Speaker 1: and into lab clothes and stuff. And then when you've

469
00:24:10,320 --> 00:24:11,359
Speaker 1: done at the end of the day, you have to

470
00:24:11,359 --> 00:24:14,639
Speaker 1: shower twice. But I feel like that standard for most

471
00:24:15,359 --> 00:24:17,920
Speaker 1: research facilities like this, we would take it would be Yeah,

472
00:24:17,960 --> 00:24:20,600
Speaker 1: so I think you have to take a disinfecting shower

473
00:24:20,680 --> 00:24:23,640
Speaker 1: and then and then you go off and take another shower,

474
00:24:24,000 --> 00:24:27,119
Speaker 1: you know, So it's like serious. Yeah, Devins makes a

475
00:24:27,119 --> 00:24:29,480
Speaker 1: great point. It's this is not unique to Plull my

476
00:24:29,640 --> 00:24:31,399
Speaker 1: lad well, and if it is, then I would like

477
00:24:31,440 --> 00:24:33,320
Speaker 1: to talk to somebody because I'd like for it to

478
00:24:33,400 --> 00:24:38,080
Speaker 1: be standard everywhere, Like if this is overkill, like we

479
00:24:38,119 --> 00:24:41,119
Speaker 1: need more overkill places. Yeah, they're actually not even like

480
00:24:41,160 --> 00:24:45,080
Speaker 1: the highest level of biosecurity there, and I think it

481
00:24:45,119 --> 00:24:47,400
Speaker 1: goes up to five. I think I thought it was four,

482
00:24:47,520 --> 00:24:49,600
Speaker 1: but I could be wrong, but that's fine either way.

483
00:24:49,640 --> 00:24:52,760
Speaker 1: I mean, I think it's their three that Kansas site

484
00:24:52,800 --> 00:24:54,679
Speaker 1: is going to be a level four, and yeah I

485
00:24:54,680 --> 00:24:57,520
Speaker 1: thought there was a level five, but it doesn't matter. Well,

486
00:24:57,560 --> 00:24:59,720
Speaker 1: I mean we only know there's a level four. There's

487
00:24:59,720 --> 00:25:03,399
Speaker 1: probably a level five, level six, probably a level M seven.

488
00:25:03,600 --> 00:25:06,760
Speaker 1: Uh probably Yeah. I just I'm just gonna go on

489
00:25:06,800 --> 00:25:09,800
Speaker 1: the record and say I would like every kind of

490
00:25:09,840 --> 00:25:14,480
Speaker 1: bio research facility to have like this should be the minimum.

491
00:25:14,520 --> 00:25:17,320
Speaker 1: If you're researching something that can infect things, that should be.

492
00:25:17,320 --> 00:25:21,239
Speaker 1: Then some poor researchers somewhere who works on, you know,

493
00:25:21,320 --> 00:25:26,520
Speaker 1: making better, plumper, tastier strawberries, They're like, damn you, Devon,

494
00:25:27,000 --> 00:25:31,679
Speaker 1: I have to take disinfecting showers. Now, that would be funny.

495
00:25:31,880 --> 00:25:34,600
Speaker 1: I don't want you to accidentally infect my normal strawberries.

496
00:25:34,960 --> 00:25:41,360
Speaker 1: I like them. Little thank you. That would that summer.

497
00:25:41,640 --> 00:25:43,239
Speaker 1: But yeah, I mean it would be funny if if

498
00:25:43,280 --> 00:25:45,840
Speaker 1: Devin's words were the genesis for a whole new crash

499
00:25:45,880 --> 00:25:48,520
Speaker 1: program at the government to clap down on everything. Yeah,

500
00:25:48,680 --> 00:25:52,200
Speaker 1: I'm looking forward to getting the residuals from that. Yeah,

501
00:25:52,359 --> 00:25:55,639
Speaker 1: you get a lot of hate mail. It's the government.

502
00:25:55,680 --> 00:25:58,280
Speaker 1: They'd probably be like, here's a million dollars a year

503
00:25:58,640 --> 00:26:01,040
Speaker 1: for your suggest for your idea. Yeah, that's how they

504
00:26:01,040 --> 00:26:06,280
Speaker 1: treat suggestions. Right the US. Yeah. Anyway, sorry, we've gone off. Okay,

505
00:26:06,280 --> 00:26:08,320
Speaker 1: so yeah we're are oh yeah, back to back to

506
00:26:08,359 --> 00:26:10,760
Speaker 1: the type security on Pull Island. Yeah. Oh by the way,

507
00:26:10,880 --> 00:26:14,640
Speaker 1: by the way, if you if you're an animal like

508
00:26:14,560 --> 00:26:15,960
Speaker 1: like like, if you do have to swim ashore, be

509
00:26:16,000 --> 00:26:17,560
Speaker 1: sure you don't look like a deer or anything like that,

510
00:26:17,560 --> 00:26:20,160
Speaker 1: because they will shoot you. That makes sense to me though,

511
00:26:20,280 --> 00:26:24,440
Speaker 1: yeah it but but yeah, I mean they don't want

512
00:26:24,440 --> 00:26:28,160
Speaker 1: it catching any sort of mousease anything else. You're taken

513
00:26:28,280 --> 00:26:30,800
Speaker 1: back to the shore and so and so, any any

514
00:26:30,800 --> 00:26:32,840
Speaker 1: crater like that on the island gets shot. There's but

515
00:26:32,920 --> 00:26:35,760
Speaker 1: birds apparently do not get shot. But they shoot mammals

516
00:26:35,760 --> 00:26:38,560
Speaker 1: because apparently I guess hoping the mouth is as a

517
00:26:38,640 --> 00:26:41,239
Speaker 1: putt in mouth is a mammalian disease. I don't think

518
00:26:41,240 --> 00:26:45,240
Speaker 1: it affects birds. Nose doesn't make the jump. Yeah, and

519
00:26:45,359 --> 00:26:47,240
Speaker 1: so yeah, so they're not that worried about birds. In

520
00:26:47,240 --> 00:26:50,400
Speaker 1: fact that they also don't store animals outside. They used

521
00:26:50,440 --> 00:26:53,720
Speaker 1: to in the beginning, but animals now. I was actually

522
00:26:53,720 --> 00:26:57,119
Speaker 1: really kind of impressed with their protocols because the entire

523
00:26:57,320 --> 00:27:01,280
Speaker 1: building is negatively pressured, so that if a wind, like

524
00:27:01,320 --> 00:27:02,720
Speaker 1: you know, if there's a crack in a window, it's

525
00:27:02,720 --> 00:27:05,320
Speaker 1: gonna pull air from the outside rather than push it

526
00:27:05,359 --> 00:27:09,280
Speaker 1: out when you get into the actual infected section where

527
00:27:09,320 --> 00:27:12,560
Speaker 1: the animals are actually being infected. That's even at an

528
00:27:12,600 --> 00:27:16,720
Speaker 1: even higher pressure, so all air is pulled into that

529
00:27:16,840 --> 00:27:20,080
Speaker 1: area so it doesn't escape. Now they have Now they

530
00:27:20,119 --> 00:27:21,879
Speaker 1: have is they have a big fan and ceiling that

531
00:27:21,880 --> 00:27:25,360
Speaker 1: blows it all straight out the ceiling, a big gas fan. Yeah,

532
00:27:25,359 --> 00:27:28,520
Speaker 1: I mean, I mean hopefully they've got all I'm hoping

533
00:27:28,560 --> 00:27:31,520
Speaker 1: that that, you know, they have a really monster sized

534
00:27:31,520 --> 00:27:33,560
Speaker 1: hep A filter on there and not just some crappy

535
00:27:33,560 --> 00:27:35,720
Speaker 1: thing they got at home depot, you know, furnace filter

536
00:27:36,000 --> 00:27:37,760
Speaker 1: or the one that they got at that uranium plant

537
00:27:37,760 --> 00:27:41,119
Speaker 1: we talked about. It really good ones the bags. Yeah,

538
00:27:41,119 --> 00:27:43,840
Speaker 1: I'm assuming that they've got some heavy duty filtration. Sure,

539
00:27:43,880 --> 00:27:46,800
Speaker 1: it costs at least ten dollars more than that. It's

540
00:27:46,800 --> 00:27:50,040
Speaker 1: the federal government come on tree anyway. So okay, So

541
00:27:50,400 --> 00:27:53,280
Speaker 1: we don't think that it's gonna spread diseases or anything

542
00:27:53,320 --> 00:27:55,840
Speaker 1: like that, Well, we don't know. I mean, some people

543
00:27:55,880 --> 00:27:57,959
Speaker 1: say that it has spread disease. Again, there's people who

544
00:27:57,960 --> 00:28:02,600
Speaker 1: think lime disease originated and on this island. But back

545
00:28:02,640 --> 00:28:05,520
Speaker 1: to Jesse, they I don't know if you guys made

546
00:28:05,520 --> 00:28:07,040
Speaker 1: it far enough to see the scene where they try

547
00:28:07,119 --> 00:28:09,320
Speaker 1: to charter a local boat to take them to the island.

548
00:28:11,200 --> 00:28:13,960
Speaker 1: Maybe yeah, I don't know. I'm sorry. I was yeah

549
00:28:14,240 --> 00:28:16,240
Speaker 1: to get on this boat. And then it's and and

550
00:28:16,480 --> 00:28:18,480
Speaker 1: Jesse said, we wanted to take us to take us

551
00:28:18,520 --> 00:28:20,280
Speaker 1: to Plumb Island, and the guy says, oh, no, I

552
00:28:20,320 --> 00:28:23,000
Speaker 1: can't take you there, And so they're like, oh really,

553
00:28:23,560 --> 00:28:25,720
Speaker 1: you know why not? Well I'm supposed to take you there,

554
00:28:25,840 --> 00:28:29,600
Speaker 1: so well, so they want asked and this marina, they

555
00:28:29,640 --> 00:28:31,840
Speaker 1: asked some other boat operators and they would and they

556
00:28:31,840 --> 00:28:34,600
Speaker 1: were like, no, I won't take it to Plumb Island. Sorry,

557
00:28:35,080 --> 00:28:37,119
Speaker 1: I just I'm sorry. This is like I'm going to

558
00:28:37,200 --> 00:28:39,120
Speaker 1: go on a lot soapbox here for a second, but

559
00:28:39,160 --> 00:28:41,959
Speaker 1: this is like far and away. My biggest problem with

560
00:28:42,040 --> 00:28:45,840
Speaker 1: like most conspiracy theories, is that you know, this is

561
00:28:45,840 --> 00:28:49,280
Speaker 1: a reasonable thing. This is it's a government run facility

562
00:28:49,320 --> 00:28:52,480
Speaker 1: with like reasonable security for what they're doing there, and

563
00:28:52,600 --> 00:28:55,240
Speaker 1: reasonably they've asked all of the boat owners in the

564
00:28:55,280 --> 00:28:58,200
Speaker 1: marina to not take people there because they're like, it's

565
00:28:58,400 --> 00:29:00,560
Speaker 1: it's not a civilian access area. It right, I think

566
00:29:00,560 --> 00:29:03,680
Speaker 1: it's more told than asked. But well, either way, okay,

567
00:29:03,920 --> 00:29:07,760
Speaker 1: so I think all those things are reasonable. Yeah, j

568
00:29:08,040 --> 00:29:09,840
Speaker 1: didn't see it that way, right, And so like that's

569
00:29:09,840 --> 00:29:11,560
Speaker 1: the thing is, then when you come in with that

570
00:29:11,640 --> 00:29:14,400
Speaker 1: conspiracy theory, you're like, well, obviously they're hiding something. It's like, no,

571
00:29:14,560 --> 00:29:16,560
Speaker 1: they're just they're trying to make it so you don't

572
00:29:16,560 --> 00:29:20,600
Speaker 1: accidentally infect all of our cows. That makes sense to me. Yeah,

573
00:29:20,600 --> 00:29:22,880
Speaker 1: but they did then, not just the government's not just

574
00:29:22,960 --> 00:29:25,560
Speaker 1: hide you said, but they struck fear into the local populace.

575
00:29:25,680 --> 00:29:28,280
Speaker 1: I mean, these guys are afraid to go there. And

576
00:29:28,520 --> 00:29:30,240
Speaker 1: of course from their point of view, it's like, well,

577
00:29:30,280 --> 00:29:33,040
Speaker 1: I have a charter boat operator, and you know, these

578
00:29:33,040 --> 00:29:35,000
Speaker 1: guys know that I live here, so they know that

579
00:29:35,120 --> 00:29:37,040
Speaker 1: I know that I'm not supposed to go there. So

580
00:29:37,080 --> 00:29:39,200
Speaker 1: I can't just like stumble over the island and said,

581
00:29:41,000 --> 00:29:43,200
Speaker 1: on the bow of your boat, did they see you

582
00:29:43,280 --> 00:29:47,560
Speaker 1: buzzing them once a week with a bunch of gawking tourists.

583
00:29:47,680 --> 00:29:50,719
Speaker 1: They knew who you are, your identification numbers right there,

584
00:29:50,720 --> 00:29:53,240
Speaker 1: they can very easily find you. Yeah, I just don't

585
00:29:53,240 --> 00:29:55,760
Speaker 1: I don't think it's very nefarious, but well, yeah, I

586
00:29:55,840 --> 00:29:59,520
Speaker 1: did look nefarious to Jesse, but a lot of things

587
00:29:59,600 --> 00:30:01,760
Speaker 1: seem and it's not to him. Well yeah, but it's

588
00:30:01,800 --> 00:30:03,520
Speaker 1: not just him. I mean, there there are people that

589
00:30:03,560 --> 00:30:06,080
Speaker 1: are really really worried about what's going on in this island,

590
00:30:06,240 --> 00:30:08,880
Speaker 1: like what if some killer plague is released? And there

591
00:30:08,960 --> 00:30:12,400
Speaker 1: have been some accidents. There was one in apparently footing

592
00:30:12,440 --> 00:30:14,840
Speaker 1: Mouth was released to animals off the island. Don't ask

593
00:30:14,880 --> 00:30:17,560
Speaker 1: me how. I haven't heard specifics of it, but apparently

594
00:30:17,640 --> 00:30:20,200
Speaker 1: there was that. I think that was when they decided

595
00:30:20,240 --> 00:30:23,040
Speaker 1: to move the animals inside. I would guess I think

596
00:30:23,080 --> 00:30:25,880
Speaker 1: that was. I think that was at that point. I

597
00:30:25,920 --> 00:30:27,920
Speaker 1: think they recognized I think that they might have thought

598
00:30:27,920 --> 00:30:31,160
Speaker 1: that perhaps what happened was it was transmitted by birds,

599
00:30:31,720 --> 00:30:33,640
Speaker 1: because you know, even though the birds can't catch that,

600
00:30:33,720 --> 00:30:36,440
Speaker 1: maybe a bird picks up a tick off of off

601
00:30:36,480 --> 00:30:38,720
Speaker 1: of a critter, you know, and it winds up flying

602
00:30:38,760 --> 00:30:41,080
Speaker 1: back to the mainland or something like that. So at

603
00:30:41,120 --> 00:30:43,360
Speaker 1: that point, but they got it in hand, apparently because

604
00:30:43,360 --> 00:30:45,080
Speaker 1: I could still buy I could still buy stakes at

605
00:30:45,080 --> 00:30:48,120
Speaker 1: my local store, so apparently they got it under control.

606
00:30:48,320 --> 00:30:51,200
Speaker 1: But the animal pans are now indoors um, which makes

607
00:30:51,200 --> 00:30:56,520
Speaker 1: sense negatively pressured indoor spaces. Yeah, yeah, but of course

608
00:30:56,760 --> 00:30:58,800
Speaker 1: there are other things like ticks that people think it

609
00:30:58,880 --> 00:31:02,600
Speaker 1: might escape from the island. Uh. And it's believed, of course,

610
00:31:02,640 --> 00:31:04,880
Speaker 1: like I said, that lime disease originated there, and there

611
00:31:04,920 --> 00:31:09,280
Speaker 1: the U. S. Government has experimented with infecting insects, deliberately

612
00:31:09,320 --> 00:31:12,880
Speaker 1: infecting that with bugs like cliff and mouth and other things,

613
00:31:13,280 --> 00:31:15,320
Speaker 1: and then so that they could release some over enemy

614
00:31:15,440 --> 00:31:19,560
Speaker 1: territory and destroy crops or destroy farm animals or whatever.

615
00:31:19,920 --> 00:31:23,320
Speaker 1: And so they're thinking as well, maybe they were messing

616
00:31:23,320 --> 00:31:26,720
Speaker 1: around with inspecting ticks with lime disease and then they

617
00:31:26,840 --> 00:31:28,880
Speaker 1: you know, and then some of those somehow got off

618
00:31:28,920 --> 00:31:32,760
Speaker 1: the island and onto the mainland. And again it's the

619
00:31:32,840 --> 00:31:36,600
Speaker 1: nearest town. The nearest town Lime, Connecticut winds up being

620
00:31:36,680 --> 00:31:39,200
Speaker 1: kind of we're going like ground zero for lime disease.

621
00:31:39,960 --> 00:31:42,280
Speaker 1: Or are they even doing something more sinister, like radical

622
00:31:42,360 --> 00:31:46,520
Speaker 1: genetic experiments resulting in like the Montauk monster, resulting in

623
00:31:46,520 --> 00:31:49,280
Speaker 1: that body with the elongated fingers and the holes in

624
00:31:49,280 --> 00:31:54,479
Speaker 1: its head. Yeah, is that what's going on? We'll talk

625
00:31:54,520 --> 00:31:58,160
Speaker 1: about theories. Maybe, well, some people think that more and worse,

626
00:31:59,080 --> 00:32:01,400
Speaker 1: So yeah, I don't Before we move on the theories

627
00:32:01,400 --> 00:32:03,240
Speaker 1: any more any more thoughts you guys have any other

628
00:32:03,320 --> 00:32:05,920
Speaker 1: any other stuff you want to talk about about? Theories, right,

629
00:32:06,120 --> 00:32:10,479
Speaker 1: we need to get into some theories then, alright, theories. Well,

630
00:32:11,080 --> 00:32:13,960
Speaker 1: we've got several theories for what's going on in the island,

631
00:32:14,080 --> 00:32:19,160
Speaker 1: so okay, we'll start with the least likely first. Uh So,

632
00:32:19,720 --> 00:32:24,320
Speaker 1: one theory is they are just researching animal diseases. They're

633
00:32:24,360 --> 00:32:27,720
Speaker 1: telling the truth. Yeah, yeah, which is right, you know, right?

634
00:32:27,800 --> 00:32:30,440
Speaker 1: And seriously, why would you put your super secret facility

635
00:32:30,440 --> 00:32:33,080
Speaker 1: to research foot mouth on an island so it doesn't

636
00:32:33,080 --> 00:32:39,120
Speaker 1: infect anything else? Right, Devin, Right, that's a little see Pat, Yeah,

637
00:32:38,480 --> 00:32:42,720
Speaker 1: that's a sorry, making a little too much sense there. Yeah,

638
00:32:43,080 --> 00:32:46,000
Speaker 1: well okay, but actually, actually no, it would make sense.

639
00:32:46,040 --> 00:32:48,160
Speaker 1: That does make sense. But they could be up to

640
00:32:48,240 --> 00:32:50,840
Speaker 1: some other stuff there, so you know, let's talk about

641
00:32:50,840 --> 00:32:53,400
Speaker 1: what can potentially be up to. I am pro conspiracy.

642
00:32:53,560 --> 00:32:56,000
Speaker 1: I think there's a lot of other like weird stuff

643
00:32:56,000 --> 00:32:57,960
Speaker 1: going on, but I also don't think it's that weird

644
00:32:58,360 --> 00:33:01,240
Speaker 1: that they would just put their facility researching things that

645
00:33:01,280 --> 00:33:04,720
Speaker 1: are like super contagious and could totally obliterate agriculture as

646
00:33:04,720 --> 00:33:07,840
Speaker 1: we know it. Yeah, on an island. So it's secretly

647
00:33:07,960 --> 00:33:10,920
Speaker 1: safe and the way. Yeah. No, no, yeah, but you know,

648
00:33:11,000 --> 00:33:13,200
Speaker 1: I mean they could still be shoe hoarding something. They

649
00:33:13,240 --> 00:33:15,160
Speaker 1: could be doing a lot of other stuff, kinds of

650
00:33:15,200 --> 00:33:19,120
Speaker 1: stuff on me. Yeah. One the area people have wondered

651
00:33:19,120 --> 00:33:22,520
Speaker 1: about this is whether they're genetically engineering something, maybe conducting

652
00:33:22,560 --> 00:33:27,640
Speaker 1: genetic experience experiments and maybe trying to produce disease resistant animals,

653
00:33:28,640 --> 00:33:31,560
Speaker 1: and you know, perhaps some of their experiments, you know,

654
00:33:31,640 --> 00:33:33,400
Speaker 1: one a little wrong and they wind up with things

655
00:33:33,400 --> 00:33:36,400
Speaker 1: like the Montauk Monster or the guy with the long fingers,

656
00:33:36,520 --> 00:33:39,880
Speaker 1: that kind of thing. Yeah, So that would that would

657
00:33:40,000 --> 00:33:42,560
Speaker 1: that would still be in the line with their stated mission,

658
00:33:42,600 --> 00:33:45,280
Speaker 1: which is protecting agriculture and lives livestock. You can try

659
00:33:45,280 --> 00:33:47,920
Speaker 1: to develop vaccines and treatments for footing mouth and all

660
00:33:47,920 --> 00:33:50,920
Speaker 1: that stuff, or engineer cows and pigs that are just

661
00:33:51,000 --> 00:33:53,720
Speaker 1: immune to it. Yeah, I'm but I also don't think

662
00:33:53,760 --> 00:33:56,800
Speaker 1: that's that weird. No, I mean, I guess that wouldn't

663
00:33:56,800 --> 00:33:59,160
Speaker 1: be that weird. They just didn't and it would. I

664
00:33:59,200 --> 00:34:02,480
Speaker 1: think it was in China somewhere in Asia. I believe

665
00:34:02,760 --> 00:34:06,240
Speaker 1: they just genetically modified pigs. You know, if you heard

666
00:34:06,240 --> 00:34:08,520
Speaker 1: about this. I don't think that the will ever get

667
00:34:08,560 --> 00:34:12,680
Speaker 1: them in America. But pigs did not have the gene

668
00:34:12,800 --> 00:34:16,439
Speaker 1: that allowed them to like self warm or something like that.

669
00:34:16,960 --> 00:34:19,640
Speaker 1: So that's why they amass all that fat. Somebody just

670
00:34:19,760 --> 00:34:24,440
Speaker 1: like spliced in a gene and the something. Yeah, I mean,

671
00:34:24,480 --> 00:34:27,280
Speaker 1: like I think they did it, like with rat gene

672
00:34:27,360 --> 00:34:29,640
Speaker 1: or something like that, so that they can produce their

673
00:34:29,640 --> 00:34:32,280
Speaker 1: own body heat. And it's like they're leaner, happier pigs

674
00:34:32,320 --> 00:34:35,800
Speaker 1: that take less resources to create. Oh so you're talking, Okay,

675
00:34:36,040 --> 00:34:39,359
Speaker 1: pigs are warm bodied animals, so they can generate their

676
00:34:39,400 --> 00:34:42,319
Speaker 1: own heat. What you're getting at is that they're better

677
00:34:42,440 --> 00:34:45,640
Speaker 1: at retaining they can't regulate their own heat. Yeah, first

678
00:34:45,680 --> 00:34:49,520
Speaker 1: whatever whatever is going on, listen, I'm literally recalling this

679
00:34:49,560 --> 00:34:51,719
Speaker 1: from an NPR thing I heard like four weeks ago.

680
00:34:51,960 --> 00:34:55,200
Speaker 1: I'm just saying that genetically modifying animals to be better

681
00:34:55,400 --> 00:34:57,800
Speaker 1: is not this like secret thing that has to happen

682
00:34:57,840 --> 00:35:02,319
Speaker 1: in actually being for a long time, a long long time.

683
00:35:02,360 --> 00:35:04,399
Speaker 1: But now that we have the tools that we have,

684
00:35:04,680 --> 00:35:08,600
Speaker 1: it's a literal Pandora's box because you can say, hey, look,

685
00:35:08,880 --> 00:35:12,319
Speaker 1: the pigs are leaners, so they're healthier for you to eat.

686
00:35:12,560 --> 00:35:16,320
Speaker 1: And by the way, it turns out, we accidentally eradicated

687
00:35:16,400 --> 00:35:20,680
Speaker 1: their natural immunity to X. Yeah, and all pigs are

688
00:35:20,719 --> 00:35:23,920
Speaker 1: wiped out when because they all ate raspberries or something,

689
00:35:24,000 --> 00:35:26,520
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. Now, I know it's like, well,

690
00:35:26,640 --> 00:35:28,759
Speaker 1: and that's why they don't immediately, you know, introduce this

691
00:35:28,800 --> 00:35:31,880
Speaker 1: new genetic thing into the general population. I think they

692
00:35:31,960 --> 00:35:35,240
Speaker 1: let us sort of, you know, cycles yeah, that's probably

693
00:35:35,280 --> 00:35:38,520
Speaker 1: not probably not a bad idea, but although but also

694
00:35:38,560 --> 00:35:40,600
Speaker 1: I don't necessarily think that's again it's like not this

695
00:35:40,680 --> 00:35:45,760
Speaker 1: super nefarious, weird like X file thing happening. But but again,

696
00:35:46,160 --> 00:35:48,120
Speaker 1: you know, when when you're doing research, you've got to

697
00:35:48,160 --> 00:35:50,840
Speaker 1: go down all kinds of avenues and paths, and some

698
00:35:50,960 --> 00:35:52,960
Speaker 1: of them might be a little weirder than others, you know.

699
00:35:54,000 --> 00:35:56,120
Speaker 1: But you know, but also I don't know if they're

700
00:35:56,160 --> 00:35:57,799
Speaker 1: actually doing this. You think it would be easier just

701
00:35:57,840 --> 00:36:00,600
Speaker 1: to develop a vaccine for this stuff than trying to

702
00:36:00,719 --> 00:36:03,359
Speaker 1: you know, engineer a cow that for example, they can't

703
00:36:03,400 --> 00:36:06,520
Speaker 1: catch it. Well. The hard part with the engineering a vaccine, though,

704
00:36:06,719 --> 00:36:09,640
Speaker 1: is that the disease tends to be a moving target,

705
00:36:10,480 --> 00:36:13,480
Speaker 1: and and there are there are certain parts of a

706
00:36:13,600 --> 00:36:18,640
Speaker 1: disease that are easier to target than others. So there's

707
00:36:18,719 --> 00:36:22,480
Speaker 1: there's really specific things, but those things change. It's kind

708
00:36:22,480 --> 00:36:24,359
Speaker 1: of like you know, when they do the vaccines for

709
00:36:24,480 --> 00:36:27,839
Speaker 1: the flu. Each year, they're hoping to go for some

710
00:36:28,000 --> 00:36:30,799
Speaker 1: particular aspect of it. They're guessing at what it's going

711
00:36:30,840 --> 00:36:34,759
Speaker 1: to be present that year, but it changes from year

712
00:36:34,800 --> 00:36:37,520
Speaker 1: to year because all those kind of things move, and

713
00:36:37,600 --> 00:36:42,000
Speaker 1: there's some more base items of a virus or things

714
00:36:42,200 --> 00:36:46,440
Speaker 1: or bacteria that you can attack, but they're much harder

715
00:36:46,560 --> 00:36:53,279
Speaker 1: to target specifically. That's why things like vaccines sometimes it's

716
00:36:53,360 --> 00:36:57,680
Speaker 1: just a money making scheme for companies because every year

717
00:36:57,800 --> 00:37:00,160
Speaker 1: they have to make a new one, which is you

718
00:37:00,200 --> 00:37:03,000
Speaker 1: get the conspiracy of they're doing it on purpose. They

719
00:37:03,000 --> 00:37:05,319
Speaker 1: could totally cured if they wanted to, but why would

720
00:37:05,320 --> 00:37:09,400
Speaker 1: they throw away all that free money? Well that was

721
00:37:09,400 --> 00:37:12,880
Speaker 1: a tangent, but but it was good. It was It

722
00:37:12,960 --> 00:37:15,200
Speaker 1: was very helpful, but good quite just like cancer. They

723
00:37:15,239 --> 00:37:17,400
Speaker 1: could totally cure cancer, but you know they'd rather like

724
00:37:17,440 --> 00:37:20,680
Speaker 1: have people die. Oh no, I mean they won't money.

725
00:37:20,680 --> 00:37:23,120
Speaker 1: That's what it is. Okay, Yeah, where where was I though?

726
00:37:23,200 --> 00:37:26,160
Speaker 1: The but and you know, support for this comes from,

727
00:37:26,280 --> 00:37:29,359
Speaker 1: of course horror stories about you know, like you know,

728
00:37:29,640 --> 00:37:32,839
Speaker 1: the Montalk monster for example. But that's about it as

729
00:37:32,880 --> 00:37:35,839
Speaker 1: far as evidence goes for this. Can we talk about

730
00:37:35,880 --> 00:37:40,040
Speaker 1: what the Montalk monster was? Well, there are there are people, um,

731
00:37:40,360 --> 00:37:42,799
Speaker 1: there are certain people at this it's and they're kind

732
00:37:42,840 --> 00:37:45,360
Speaker 1: of out there conspiracy serio types who thinks that it

733
00:37:45,400 --> 00:37:48,880
Speaker 1: was a raccoon. It was a trash panda, yeah, trash

734
00:37:48,880 --> 00:37:55,080
Speaker 1: bandah yeah yeah yeah. And when you look at it, it

735
00:37:55,000 --> 00:37:57,719
Speaker 1: it does kind of look like one. It's uh, I

736
00:37:57,719 --> 00:37:59,879
Speaker 1: think it was missing its jaw, like its upper job

737
00:38:00,000 --> 00:38:03,080
Speaker 1: as to the front of its nose was all warm. Yeah,

738
00:38:03,320 --> 00:38:04,919
Speaker 1: and and it was of course, his hair was gone.

739
00:38:05,440 --> 00:38:08,600
Speaker 1: Apparently after you're immersed in seawater for a certain amount

740
00:38:08,600 --> 00:38:10,439
Speaker 1: of time, your hair does kind of tend to fall out.

741
00:38:10,600 --> 00:38:13,960
Speaker 1: If you do some looking around, you can find photos

742
00:38:14,160 --> 00:38:17,960
Speaker 1: of raccoons that have been submerged in that area, and

743
00:38:18,000 --> 00:38:21,719
Speaker 1: they look almost identical, except they still have the ringtail.

744
00:38:22,120 --> 00:38:25,240
Speaker 1: The hair was still on their tail. So it seems

745
00:38:25,280 --> 00:38:29,160
Speaker 1: pretty clear that it's it's a raccoon, and based on

746
00:38:29,200 --> 00:38:33,480
Speaker 1: the scale using that fly, probably the right size. Yeah.

747
00:38:33,800 --> 00:38:37,000
Speaker 1: But raccoons are terrible, terrible little creatures, and so I'm

748
00:38:37,000 --> 00:38:39,919
Speaker 1: not upset the fact that they're drowning in the they're

749
00:38:40,000 --> 00:38:44,240
Speaker 1: cute until I encounter them in real life. They're awful.

750
00:38:44,400 --> 00:38:48,560
Speaker 1: Find them in your neighborhood. They're never cute that kind

751
00:38:48,600 --> 00:38:51,560
Speaker 1: of right. Yeah, there, it's just little monsters. They are

752
00:38:51,600 --> 00:38:54,520
Speaker 1: kind of nasty. I mean, they're cute, I had to say.

753
00:38:54,920 --> 00:38:57,600
Speaker 1: I like looking at pictures of them when they're cute,

754
00:38:57,640 --> 00:39:00,880
Speaker 1: not like gross ones. Yeah, and they are actually a

755
00:39:00,920 --> 00:39:03,400
Speaker 1: little a little sweeter natured when they're just cubs. You know.

756
00:39:03,400 --> 00:39:05,040
Speaker 1: It's when they get older they get kind of mean,

757
00:39:05,960 --> 00:39:12,520
Speaker 1: just like people. Yeah, really everything. Yeah fish fish fish

758
00:39:12,520 --> 00:39:16,040
Speaker 1: are never cute. Yeah, I thought you, But they don't

759
00:39:16,040 --> 00:39:20,160
Speaker 1: get mean like they definitely do. They attack worms and

760
00:39:20,320 --> 00:39:23,720
Speaker 1: fishing lures and all kinds of stuff. They're nasty. Yeah.

761
00:39:23,840 --> 00:39:26,600
Speaker 1: But anyway, the so, so, what do we got? So

762
00:39:26,719 --> 00:39:29,200
Speaker 1: the evidence the Montark monster and some of the other

763
00:39:29,200 --> 00:39:31,600
Speaker 1: stuff that's washed up on shore this presented is evidence

764
00:39:31,680 --> 00:39:34,200
Speaker 1: doesn't look that conclusive to me because, like I said,

765
00:39:34,600 --> 00:39:37,160
Speaker 1: the monster was probably a raccoon, in fact, almost certainly

766
00:39:37,200 --> 00:39:41,200
Speaker 1: a raccoon. Uh. The other stuff that was unrecognizable, well

767
00:39:41,239 --> 00:39:42,840
Speaker 1: that's what happens when you're in the water for a

768
00:39:42,880 --> 00:39:45,480
Speaker 1: couple of weeks or a couple of months, you know,

769
00:39:46,000 --> 00:39:47,839
Speaker 1: I told you my story again about my friends who

770
00:39:47,840 --> 00:39:51,000
Speaker 1: came across the body in the Wayhammer River and just

771
00:39:51,160 --> 00:39:54,719
Speaker 1: left because they didn't think it was a body. Yeah,

772
00:39:54,760 --> 00:39:58,279
Speaker 1: they just left. Yeah, And so it's definitely at least

773
00:39:58,280 --> 00:40:00,920
Speaker 1: that's what they told you. Yeah, they probably left the

774
00:40:00,920 --> 00:40:04,800
Speaker 1: body there. Actually, that's what they meant when they said left. Yeah.

775
00:40:04,840 --> 00:40:06,520
Speaker 1: And as for that dude that washed up on the

776
00:40:06,560 --> 00:40:10,240
Speaker 1: beach in that probably was a mob hit, I'm thinking,

777
00:40:10,480 --> 00:40:13,000
Speaker 1: I don't think so, you think so. No, they don't

778
00:40:13,040 --> 00:40:16,640
Speaker 1: usually like experiment on brains or anything like that. They

779
00:40:16,640 --> 00:40:19,320
Speaker 1: would just like you know, baseball, bat to the knees,

780
00:40:19,960 --> 00:40:22,520
Speaker 1: whack them, yeah, stick their feet in concrete and just

781
00:40:22,800 --> 00:40:27,000
Speaker 1: dump them. Okay, well, okay, so not a mob pretty

782
00:40:27,400 --> 00:40:29,200
Speaker 1: in the back of his head with a gun. Yeah

783
00:40:29,239 --> 00:40:34,760
Speaker 1: that could yeah, well yeah that's too Yeah. But so okay,

784
00:40:34,840 --> 00:40:37,040
Speaker 1: maybe a mob hit or maybe a Devin like devil says,

785
00:40:37,080 --> 00:40:39,920
Speaker 1: not a mob hit. But but the body did have

786
00:40:39,960 --> 00:40:42,879
Speaker 1: those weird elongated fingers. But then again, on the other hand,

787
00:40:42,920 --> 00:40:45,279
Speaker 1: there is this thing called Marfan syndrome. So I don't

788
00:40:45,280 --> 00:40:47,560
Speaker 1: know if you guys have heard about. Yeah, yeah, so

789
00:40:48,719 --> 00:40:52,520
Speaker 1: it comes with a little bit of deformation in the body.

790
00:40:52,560 --> 00:40:56,960
Speaker 1: Including deformed hands with really weirdly long long fingers. Yeah,

791
00:40:57,080 --> 00:40:59,719
Speaker 1: and so it might have just been some guy with

792
00:40:59,760 --> 00:41:05,960
Speaker 1: mar fins. So I I didn't ever like see pictures

793
00:41:06,040 --> 00:41:08,080
Speaker 1: or anything like that. No, I didn't need of it.

794
00:41:08,239 --> 00:41:11,560
Speaker 1: So like that's just it's like hearsay to me, you know, like, oh,

795
00:41:11,680 --> 00:41:14,680
Speaker 1: he had long fingers, like okay, yeah, well no, it's

796
00:41:14,800 --> 00:41:16,920
Speaker 1: entirely possible, like I said that, it was just it

797
00:41:16,960 --> 00:41:19,000
Speaker 1: could have been some sort of genetic anomally. I mean,

798
00:41:19,320 --> 00:41:22,040
Speaker 1: he made have been a guy with just long fingers,

799
00:41:22,320 --> 00:41:26,560
Speaker 1: could be too, I mean, but or marphins, like I said,

800
00:41:26,600 --> 00:41:29,920
Speaker 1: there's some other genetic anomally I mean, actually, genetic anomalies

801
00:41:29,960 --> 00:41:32,520
Speaker 1: occur naturally a lot to a lot of people, to

802
00:41:32,719 --> 00:41:35,279
Speaker 1: a lot of people, and so not necessarily because there

803
00:41:35,360 --> 00:41:39,680
Speaker 1: was in some sort of Frankenstein experiment going on. But

804
00:41:39,760 --> 00:41:41,600
Speaker 1: in the other problem I have with this theory too,

805
00:41:41,680 --> 00:41:43,719
Speaker 1: especially when it comes to the body being evidence, is

806
00:41:43,880 --> 00:41:46,400
Speaker 1: the body was found on the beach of Plumb Island,

807
00:41:46,640 --> 00:41:49,560
Speaker 1: So it was not on a beach as if escaping

808
00:41:49,600 --> 00:41:53,040
Speaker 1: from Plumb Island. Yeah, and so it's like it's so

809
00:41:53,239 --> 00:41:54,799
Speaker 1: if it was this was the fruit of one of

810
00:41:54,800 --> 00:41:57,359
Speaker 1: their hideous experiments, and you've got to ask why they

811
00:41:57,520 --> 00:42:01,839
Speaker 1: turned the body over to the local lease. Why would

812
00:42:01,880 --> 00:42:04,720
Speaker 1: they do that. They wouldn't stay with the ninety nine footage.

813
00:42:04,760 --> 00:42:06,359
Speaker 1: I mean, where did this come from? It was because

814
00:42:06,400 --> 00:42:10,439
Speaker 1: again the nineteen footage, it's on YouTube. They say that

815
00:42:10,520 --> 00:42:13,759
Speaker 1: it was found on Plum Island, and so you got

816
00:42:13,840 --> 00:42:15,440
Speaker 1: to ask, well, okay, so if it was found out

817
00:42:15,440 --> 00:42:17,359
Speaker 1: Plum Island, these guys go out and say, oh, one

818
00:42:17,360 --> 00:42:19,640
Speaker 1: of our credits got away again. Good thing, we got

819
00:42:19,640 --> 00:42:22,359
Speaker 1: it before we got off the island. Why would they

820
00:42:22,360 --> 00:42:24,240
Speaker 1: take film of him? I mean they know us there's

821
00:42:24,360 --> 00:42:26,040
Speaker 1: and I want to just like, you know, bag them

822
00:42:26,080 --> 00:42:29,760
Speaker 1: up and haul them back to the incinerator. But being

823
00:42:29,920 --> 00:42:32,160
Speaker 1: is real, No, I had no idea, you know it.

824
00:42:32,400 --> 00:42:33,840
Speaker 1: I was going to say, because I feel like the

825
00:42:33,960 --> 00:42:37,279
Speaker 1: video is like if you okay, So, if anybody has

826
00:42:37,320 --> 00:42:41,959
Speaker 1: you ever used any kind of film animation software, there

827
00:42:42,000 --> 00:42:46,000
Speaker 1: are preset filters to age things, to give it the

828
00:42:46,080 --> 00:42:49,279
Speaker 1: lines and the spots. And if you play that thing

829
00:42:49,480 --> 00:42:52,640
Speaker 1: slow and you watch a spot, you know you can

830
00:42:52,680 --> 00:42:55,680
Speaker 1: pick like just pick a quadrant. You'll start to see

831
00:42:56,080 --> 00:43:01,200
Speaker 1: the same set of lines appearing over and over. There's

832
00:43:01,239 --> 00:43:04,560
Speaker 1: no randomness to which if it was real old scratched

833
00:43:04,680 --> 00:43:08,960
Speaker 1: up film, it will be completely random. So that is

834
00:43:09,080 --> 00:43:13,480
Speaker 1: that is somebody's fun thing that they made and antiqued

835
00:43:13,960 --> 00:43:17,600
Speaker 1: with some kind of I don't know, I movie filter

836
00:43:17,760 --> 00:43:22,520
Speaker 1: or something with probably like a dummy from Spirit Halloween,

837
00:43:23,480 --> 00:43:25,239
Speaker 1: because you know, what it really looks like to me

838
00:43:25,360 --> 00:43:29,640
Speaker 1: is like a werewolf decoration you would get like at

839
00:43:29,640 --> 00:43:32,640
Speaker 1: a Halloween story. You know that. I mean to me,

840
00:43:32,719 --> 00:43:35,360
Speaker 1: it looks totally like a dog body except for the

841
00:43:35,400 --> 00:43:38,839
Speaker 1: front legs, right, which is what where will things look

842
00:43:38,880 --> 00:43:42,400
Speaker 1: like often where they're like, you know, the arms of

843
00:43:42,400 --> 00:43:45,040
Speaker 1: a human going oh, but like everything else is the dog.

844
00:43:45,960 --> 00:43:49,080
Speaker 1: Like I really wish everybody could have seen you pantomime.

845
00:43:50,280 --> 00:43:54,520
Speaker 1: It was quite funny because we got our TV show. Yeah,

846
00:43:54,920 --> 00:43:57,160
Speaker 1: um no, I mean I think that's kind of what

847
00:43:57,200 --> 00:43:59,040
Speaker 1: it looks like to me is like somebody took their

848
00:43:59,080 --> 00:44:01,920
Speaker 1: like werewolf dummy out like filmed it and then like

849
00:44:01,960 --> 00:44:04,040
Speaker 1: put a filter on it and was like this from night,

850
00:44:04,280 --> 00:44:08,760
Speaker 1: especially since it was released after this like other weird

851
00:44:08,800 --> 00:44:10,680
Speaker 1: mont talk that you know, it's kind of to me

852
00:44:10,800 --> 00:44:13,920
Speaker 1: it was that point grab. Yeah, it was put on

853
00:44:13,960 --> 00:44:17,040
Speaker 1: YouTube and I think, yeah, well, and the problem is

854
00:44:17,040 --> 00:44:18,560
Speaker 1: is that you know what if it was a real

855
00:44:19,000 --> 00:44:20,839
Speaker 1: if it was real and it was really somebody out

856
00:44:20,840 --> 00:44:23,040
Speaker 1: there with a camera checking out this weird thing they

857
00:44:23,040 --> 00:44:27,839
Speaker 1: had come across, they just circles it. Instead, this came

858
00:44:28,520 --> 00:44:30,680
Speaker 1: don't walk around it. Yeah, this stays in one place

859
00:44:30,760 --> 00:44:33,520
Speaker 1: and floats back and forth, almost as if it's someone

860
00:44:33,600 --> 00:44:36,600
Speaker 1: holding out a cell phone camera and just kind of

861
00:44:36,600 --> 00:44:40,680
Speaker 1: shifting back and forth. Knowing that like the zipper goes

862
00:44:40,760 --> 00:44:43,799
Speaker 1: up the back of the costume media. Yeah, that sort

863
00:44:43,840 --> 00:44:46,799
Speaker 1: of thing. That well, also, I gotta say that, you know,

864
00:44:46,880 --> 00:44:48,680
Speaker 1: next time you want to put something like that out there,

865
00:44:48,840 --> 00:44:51,280
Speaker 1: don't say you found it on the beach on Plum Island.

866
00:44:52,040 --> 00:44:54,120
Speaker 1: You found you found out on the beach like, you know,

867
00:44:54,280 --> 00:44:58,760
Speaker 1: just across the shore from Plum Island on Long Island. Hello, Okay,

868
00:44:58,800 --> 00:45:01,359
Speaker 1: so that all right? So kind of butcher death thing. Yeah,

869
00:45:01,400 --> 00:45:04,719
Speaker 1: I gotta I gotta say I I don't think. I

870
00:45:04,719 --> 00:45:06,680
Speaker 1: don't give a lot of credence to this whole genetic

871
00:45:06,719 --> 00:45:09,520
Speaker 1: experimentation kind of thing going on in the island. There's

872
00:45:09,520 --> 00:45:12,480
Speaker 1: just no like I said, I uh, you know, as

873
00:45:12,520 --> 00:45:14,200
Speaker 1: far as the human body, it was a mob hit.

874
00:45:14,320 --> 00:45:18,880
Speaker 1: You know, somebody got shot in the head. Okay, sorry, Okay,

875
00:45:18,880 --> 00:45:25,160
Speaker 1: in deference to Devon, it was an accident, okay, uh okay. Yeah,

876
00:45:25,280 --> 00:45:29,520
Speaker 1: so no, no hideous genetic experiments. But maybe they were

877
00:45:29,560 --> 00:45:33,000
Speaker 1: creating some sort of fast breeding ticks and mosquitoes, or

878
00:45:33,040 --> 00:45:35,320
Speaker 1: maybe just not trying to breathe the ticks of mosquitoes,

879
00:45:35,360 --> 00:45:36,560
Speaker 1: but just trying to come up with a breed of

880
00:45:36,640 --> 00:45:40,160
Speaker 1: tick that would take various diseases without getting infected and

881
00:45:40,239 --> 00:45:42,560
Speaker 1: dying themselves. That's the whole thing about those. You gotta

882
00:45:42,560 --> 00:45:44,440
Speaker 1: make sure the bug itself is just going to carry

883
00:45:44,440 --> 00:45:47,600
Speaker 1: it and not die from the disease itself. And so

884
00:45:47,680 --> 00:45:50,000
Speaker 1: maybe they were messing with that stuff, some of those

885
00:45:50,040 --> 00:45:52,960
Speaker 1: ticks or bugs got out and next thing you know,

886
00:45:53,000 --> 00:45:55,280
Speaker 1: we got lime disease was not a disease, et cetera.

887
00:45:55,600 --> 00:45:58,200
Speaker 1: So maybe it didn't actually originate there, but it just

888
00:45:58,239 --> 00:46:00,800
Speaker 1: got Another possibility is that just got a foothold in

889
00:46:00,840 --> 00:46:02,960
Speaker 1: the population because there were more ticks to spread it

890
00:46:03,040 --> 00:46:09,120
Speaker 1: around from. There's some serious flaws in this, well there

891
00:46:09,120 --> 00:46:13,680
Speaker 1: are Yeah, what that sounds wrong, and there is actually

892
00:46:13,680 --> 00:46:16,400
Speaker 1: a theory that's out there, and you know, and on

893
00:46:16,800 --> 00:46:20,359
Speaker 1: apparently reputable pages that there we have a bigger tick

894
00:46:20,440 --> 00:46:24,160
Speaker 1: problem today in the US because of government experiments in

895
00:46:24,160 --> 00:46:27,359
Speaker 1: the nineteen fifties and sixties. In other words, they were

896
00:46:27,480 --> 00:46:29,480
Speaker 1: doing all this experiment and they were a little careless.

897
00:46:29,520 --> 00:46:31,880
Speaker 1: And now we've got more ticks in the US and

898
00:46:31,920 --> 00:46:35,960
Speaker 1: their guess what, unfortunately, faster breeding ticks and the government.

899
00:46:36,000 --> 00:46:38,719
Speaker 1: And this is not entirely out of speculation, because the

900
00:46:38,719 --> 00:46:42,479
Speaker 1: government did do research on all this stuffy because they're

901
00:46:42,560 --> 00:46:46,160
Speaker 1: using it as a weapon weapon. Yeah, And obviously creating

902
00:46:46,160 --> 00:46:48,719
Speaker 1: a faster breeding tick, for example, does make sense if

903
00:46:48,719 --> 00:46:50,960
Speaker 1: you want to drop a bunch of ticks behind enemy lines,

904
00:46:51,000 --> 00:46:53,400
Speaker 1: and you know, the faster they breathe, the better it is.

905
00:46:53,440 --> 00:46:55,520
Speaker 1: As a weapon. You just want to make damn sure

906
00:46:55,520 --> 00:46:56,920
Speaker 1: they don't get out of your lab and into your

907
00:46:56,920 --> 00:46:59,600
Speaker 1: own country kind of screw I like maybe putting your

908
00:46:59,640 --> 00:47:01,880
Speaker 1: lab on an island. Yeah, that's one way to do

909
00:47:01,960 --> 00:47:04,680
Speaker 1: so it's harder for them to get a place. Yeah.

910
00:47:04,880 --> 00:47:07,840
Speaker 1: And of course that once you created these fast reading ticks,

911
00:47:07,840 --> 00:47:09,799
Speaker 1: you know, you infect them with whatever diseases you want

912
00:47:09,800 --> 00:47:12,120
Speaker 1: to spread and there you go. Again. It's not too

913
00:47:12,160 --> 00:47:15,080
Speaker 1: far out there. Actually, uh, quite a few everyones have

914
00:47:15,160 --> 00:47:18,319
Speaker 1: done research along these lines. And like we talked about earlier,

915
00:47:18,360 --> 00:47:21,080
Speaker 1: if you can destroy the enemy's food supply. Great idea,

916
00:47:21,360 --> 00:47:24,000
Speaker 1: what time anyway, especially if like you can do it

917
00:47:24,040 --> 00:47:26,600
Speaker 1: with ticks or something that might also like get on

918
00:47:26,680 --> 00:47:29,239
Speaker 1: humans and make them miserable, Like if you've got your

919
00:47:29,280 --> 00:47:31,799
Speaker 1: troops are also infected with ticks or something like that,

920
00:47:31,880 --> 00:47:34,920
Speaker 1: like that extra miserable. Not only are you not eating well,

921
00:47:34,960 --> 00:47:38,480
Speaker 1: but also you're somehow infested with this thing. And yeah,

922
00:47:38,480 --> 00:47:40,120
Speaker 1: I don't never had a tick, but you know, I

923
00:47:40,360 --> 00:47:42,239
Speaker 1: kind of suspect I would like it if I can. Yeah,

924
00:47:42,280 --> 00:47:43,920
Speaker 1: I don't think so. Yeah, not a few people that

925
00:47:44,000 --> 00:47:47,000
Speaker 1: had ticks, Yeah they got rid of at least I

926
00:47:47,000 --> 00:47:50,800
Speaker 1: hope they did. But apparently, from everything all my research

927
00:47:50,840 --> 00:47:54,000
Speaker 1: indicates is the research that was done on ticks and

928
00:47:54,040 --> 00:47:56,279
Speaker 1: infecting these bugs and stuff like that was all done

929
00:47:56,280 --> 00:47:59,880
Speaker 1: at Fort Dietrich, Maryland. So not Plumb Island. Apparently not.

930
00:48:00,000 --> 00:48:01,920
Speaker 1: I I've found no evidence that it was done on

931
00:48:01,960 --> 00:48:05,600
Speaker 1: Plum Island. That's just what they want you to think. Oh,

932
00:48:05,680 --> 00:48:08,719
Speaker 1: that's good point to uh for Dietrict is kind of

933
00:48:08,719 --> 00:48:09,920
Speaker 1: the place. It's kind of the place. Is a much

934
00:48:09,920 --> 00:48:12,319
Speaker 1: bigger place than Plumb Island. A lot more going on there,

935
00:48:12,360 --> 00:48:14,520
Speaker 1: I mean a lot of people working there and working

936
00:48:14,520 --> 00:48:17,360
Speaker 1: on stuff like this and bio warfare kind of stuff.

937
00:48:17,440 --> 00:48:20,680
Speaker 1: And it's of course, you know, for dietricts, it's possible

938
00:48:20,719 --> 00:48:23,560
Speaker 1: some ticks escaped. I think maybe the Internet certainly seems

939
00:48:23,560 --> 00:48:27,800
Speaker 1: to have a lot of fleas and ticks on its Yeah,

940
00:48:27,960 --> 00:48:30,919
Speaker 1: so maybe that's where they all came from. And now,

941
00:48:31,080 --> 00:48:34,280
Speaker 1: if you think about it, if they were it's possible

942
00:48:34,280 --> 00:48:36,560
Speaker 1: that that maybe some ticks got into the facility on

943
00:48:36,600 --> 00:48:39,960
Speaker 1: the backs of some cattle and the Plumb Island they

944
00:48:40,000 --> 00:48:41,840
Speaker 1: came on with the island. Somehow they came on. I

945
00:48:41,840 --> 00:48:43,600
Speaker 1: don't I don't know how thoroughly they were checked for

946
00:48:43,640 --> 00:48:46,320
Speaker 1: that kind of stuff. And the ones they're they're they're

947
00:48:46,360 --> 00:48:49,440
Speaker 1: on the island and some lab tech goes by, they

948
00:48:49,480 --> 00:48:51,959
Speaker 1: hop onto the lab tech, hop off in the lab

949
00:48:52,040 --> 00:48:54,440
Speaker 1: into a patriots, swim around a little bit and infected

950
00:48:54,480 --> 00:48:57,359
Speaker 1: with this that like lime disease or whatever, hop onto

951
00:48:57,400 --> 00:49:00,200
Speaker 1: another human and then out the door and make get

952
00:49:00,200 --> 00:49:03,359
Speaker 1: through the two decontamination showers and change of clothes. Well

953
00:49:03,400 --> 00:49:06,279
Speaker 1: that would be the tricky part, wouldn't it. Yeah, But yeah,

954
00:49:06,400 --> 00:49:08,919
Speaker 1: it's possible. Again, you know, I don't know how Again,

955
00:49:09,040 --> 00:49:12,200
Speaker 1: line disease, I think as I think they think it's

956
00:49:12,239 --> 00:49:15,160
Speaker 1: been around. It's about the mid seventies, so back when

957
00:49:15,200 --> 00:49:18,279
Speaker 1: they were a little longer than that. Yeah, probably, I mean,

958
00:49:18,360 --> 00:49:20,360
Speaker 1: I mean there's a lot of disease, like HIV is

959
00:49:20,400 --> 00:49:22,640
Speaker 1: one of those ones where they they were pretty sure

960
00:49:22,680 --> 00:49:24,560
Speaker 1: it came it was actually here in America at a

961
00:49:24,600 --> 00:49:27,200
Speaker 1: certain point, like in the early eighties, late seventies, and

962
00:49:27,239 --> 00:49:30,080
Speaker 1: now the suddenly realizing, oh wait, we've identified some cases

963
00:49:30,120 --> 00:49:33,800
Speaker 1: that were earlier than that, so apparently it was around.

964
00:49:34,000 --> 00:49:37,240
Speaker 1: But I mean, we just got better at diagnosing things,

965
00:49:37,800 --> 00:49:39,640
Speaker 1: you know, Like we used to be like, oh, it's

966
00:49:40,520 --> 00:49:45,000
Speaker 1: you have hysteria, you know, or or whatever, we gotta

967
00:49:45,080 --> 00:49:46,839
Speaker 1: let all your blood out of your body because it's

968
00:49:46,840 --> 00:49:50,279
Speaker 1: infected like that. None of those were things, but we

969
00:49:50,320 --> 00:49:52,160
Speaker 1: thought them for a long time. And now it's like

970
00:49:52,200 --> 00:49:55,920
Speaker 1: we have this higher instance of you know, anxiety, but like, oh,

971
00:49:55,960 --> 00:49:59,680
Speaker 1: maybe we just got good at saying it's anxiety not hysteria.

972
00:50:00,120 --> 00:50:02,840
Speaker 1: Uh yeah, yeah, you know. Lune disease has been around

973
00:50:02,880 --> 00:50:04,759
Speaker 1: for a long time, though, I mean, what is it

974
00:50:04,840 --> 00:50:08,360
Speaker 1: the it's to the three hundred thousand cases of it

975
00:50:08,400 --> 00:50:12,080
Speaker 1: are identified or diagnosed, a more than two hundred thousand

976
00:50:12,160 --> 00:50:14,560
Speaker 1: cases in the US per year, Okay. Now that's because

977
00:50:14,600 --> 00:50:19,200
Speaker 1: we have a very specific set of criteria to identify

978
00:50:19,239 --> 00:50:23,840
Speaker 1: it within very good tests to run to Actually, it

979
00:50:23,880 --> 00:50:27,520
Speaker 1: actually is hard to identify it is, and it's it's

980
00:50:27,560 --> 00:50:31,560
Speaker 1: got some very distinct things like the ring around the

981
00:50:31,600 --> 00:50:35,080
Speaker 1: tick bite is a giant indicator, the bull's eye around

982
00:50:35,200 --> 00:50:38,600
Speaker 1: the bike. But there is there's stuff out there from

983
00:50:38,760 --> 00:50:43,600
Speaker 1: historical writings from the late seventeen and the mid eighteen

984
00:50:43,760 --> 00:50:47,360
Speaker 1: hundreds of people coming to the East coast of the

985
00:50:47,480 --> 00:50:51,680
Speaker 1: United States and being like, dude, this place is lousy

986
00:50:51,800 --> 00:50:55,120
Speaker 1: with ticks. They are literally hanging off of the trees

987
00:50:55,280 --> 00:50:59,239
Speaker 1: to drop on you, and everybody's getting bid And then

988
00:50:59,280 --> 00:51:04,439
Speaker 1: they're it's doctors who are treating people reporting symptoms that

989
00:51:04,520 --> 00:51:08,200
Speaker 1: are pretty much without having you know, the to the

990
00:51:08,280 --> 00:51:12,160
Speaker 1: degree that we can diagnose things, but it's all visual diagnosis.

991
00:51:12,920 --> 00:51:17,120
Speaker 1: It's totally totally lime disease. The first diagnosed case with

992
00:51:17,200 --> 00:51:23,880
Speaker 1: seventeen six, Like, that's crazy, way longer ago than you know.

993
00:51:24,239 --> 00:51:27,120
Speaker 1: This is not a new thing, that's what that's what's

994
00:51:27,160 --> 00:51:30,040
Speaker 1: just so I rolled my eyes at this because it's

995
00:51:30,040 --> 00:51:32,480
Speaker 1: been around for a long time. I mean, but but

996
00:51:32,760 --> 00:51:36,520
Speaker 1: the theory is, well, they didn't necessarily create the disease

997
00:51:36,560 --> 00:51:39,560
Speaker 1: from scratches up, but that they cause the outbreak and

998
00:51:39,719 --> 00:51:44,680
Speaker 1: lime Connecticut and by by infecting ticks, deliberately infecting ticks

999
00:51:44,719 --> 00:51:47,840
Speaker 1: and then just letting him escape. Sure, maybe, again, I

1000
00:51:48,160 --> 00:51:50,680
Speaker 1: I don't find that totally persuasive, because I get I don't.

1001
00:51:51,200 --> 00:51:53,719
Speaker 1: One of the problems I have with this theory is that, well,

1002
00:51:53,880 --> 00:51:55,560
Speaker 1: maybe they were that care less and they let a

1003
00:51:55,600 --> 00:51:58,040
Speaker 1: few ticks go. But the other thing is as a

1004
00:51:58,280 --> 00:52:01,160
Speaker 1: biowarfare agent, lime disease is, it's just not what the

1005
00:52:01,200 --> 00:52:03,960
Speaker 1: one that I would pick Dad. It kind of sucks

1006
00:52:03,960 --> 00:52:06,600
Speaker 1: as a biowarfare is because, yeah, it's going to infect

1007
00:52:06,600 --> 00:52:09,359
Speaker 1: your soldiers and like what a couple of years down

1008
00:52:09,400 --> 00:52:10,840
Speaker 1: the line, they're going to get aches and paints and

1009
00:52:10,880 --> 00:52:13,080
Speaker 1: their joints and you know, and and stuff like that.

1010
00:52:13,239 --> 00:52:19,200
Speaker 1: Very very few people have immediate and debilitating reactions track

1011
00:52:19,280 --> 00:52:21,799
Speaker 1: lime disease exactly. You know. So I mean by the

1012
00:52:21,800 --> 00:52:23,600
Speaker 1: time that by the time it finally kicks in and

1013
00:52:23,680 --> 00:52:26,959
Speaker 1: affects the enemy soldiers, well maybe the war is already over. Yeah,

1014
00:52:27,080 --> 00:52:30,200
Speaker 1: but it's it's a it's a crappy we're more effective

1015
00:52:30,239 --> 00:52:34,400
Speaker 1: to investigate how to you know, apply athletes foot to

1016
00:52:34,520 --> 00:52:38,600
Speaker 1: your enemy because that's going to take hold faster than Yeah,

1017
00:52:38,640 --> 00:52:40,880
Speaker 1: that one was easy. You just like make them build

1018
00:52:40,880 --> 00:52:44,719
Speaker 1: trenches and then haven't rained a lot. Yeah that works. Yeah,

1019
00:52:45,120 --> 00:52:50,200
Speaker 1: they figured that one out a long time. Yeah. So

1020
00:52:50,280 --> 00:52:53,759
Speaker 1: that's so so much for lime disease. I guess I

1021
00:52:53,800 --> 00:52:58,120
Speaker 1: just think that. Yeah, okay, okay, so they didn't originate

1022
00:52:58,280 --> 00:53:01,640
Speaker 1: lime disease, the lime disease out break. Maybe they're still

1023
00:53:01,640 --> 00:53:04,120
Speaker 1: pursuing bio warfare though, because I mean, even though we've

1024
00:53:04,120 --> 00:53:07,200
Speaker 1: officially given up on biological weapons, there is such things

1025
00:53:07,280 --> 00:53:11,239
Speaker 1: keeping your options open, right, Yeah, I mean yeah, uh

1026
00:53:12,000 --> 00:53:14,200
Speaker 1: so our official policy today is that we will deter

1027
00:53:14,360 --> 00:53:19,120
Speaker 1: biological attack with the nuclear response, which is great, but

1028
00:53:19,480 --> 00:53:21,680
Speaker 1: you know, what if a future commander achieved just doesn't

1029
00:53:21,800 --> 00:53:25,080
Speaker 1: quite have the moxie to drop a nuke or two,

1030
00:53:25,520 --> 00:53:27,799
Speaker 1: or what if an enemy launches a biottack on our

1031
00:53:27,840 --> 00:53:31,520
Speaker 1: troops but it's not something like like massive deadly anthrax,

1032
00:53:31,640 --> 00:53:34,319
Speaker 1: but something like the flu or something like that, So

1033
00:53:34,560 --> 00:53:37,480
Speaker 1: to where we we know that they bio attacked our troops,

1034
00:53:37,600 --> 00:53:41,839
Speaker 1: but they didn't give something that's totally deadly like anthrax.

1035
00:53:41,920 --> 00:53:45,800
Speaker 1: And that's the problem with the nuclear deterrent is that well,

1036
00:53:46,440 --> 00:53:48,720
Speaker 1: it's an it's an on off switch kind of things,

1037
00:53:48,760 --> 00:53:51,120
Speaker 1: and either or it's like having as having a sledgehammer

1038
00:53:51,200 --> 00:53:54,279
Speaker 1: when you're dealing with a mosquito or two, and so

1039
00:53:54,440 --> 00:53:56,880
Speaker 1: having some bio weapons laying around for just in case,

1040
00:53:57,040 --> 00:53:59,399
Speaker 1: whether you're not a a treated it's not really such

1041
00:53:59,400 --> 00:54:03,840
Speaker 1: a bad idea. Yeah, as a return if nothing else. Again,

1042
00:54:04,120 --> 00:54:08,480
Speaker 1: research is not entirely prohibited by the Biological Weapons Convention

1043
00:54:08,520 --> 00:54:11,920
Speaker 1: of nineteen seventy two. You can still do some research. Well,

1044
00:54:12,040 --> 00:54:15,520
Speaker 1: so it's not inconceivable that they're looking into this kind

1045
00:54:15,520 --> 00:54:19,080
Speaker 1: of stuff on the island. Again, covert kind of thing.

1046
00:54:19,120 --> 00:54:21,600
Speaker 1: If it's something you don't really want to advertise, I mean,

1047
00:54:21,680 --> 00:54:24,840
Speaker 1: you can hide it inside another program, which is what

1048
00:54:25,000 --> 00:54:27,279
Speaker 1: people you know, what's the government likes to do. Yeah,

1049
00:54:27,360 --> 00:54:32,800
Speaker 1: I'm also not convinced that doing research into biowarfare necessarily

1050
00:54:32,880 --> 00:54:36,600
Speaker 1: has to be as an offensive. You know. It seems

1051
00:54:36,960 --> 00:54:40,520
Speaker 1: possible that the US government, thinking well, hey, maybe somebody's

1052
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Speaker 1: going to attack us with anthrax, could do a bunch

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00:54:42,719 --> 00:54:45,719
Speaker 1: of research into Hey, is there any way to you know,

1054
00:54:45,920 --> 00:54:48,920
Speaker 1: nullify this is I'm totally pouring this out of my research.

1055
00:54:49,520 --> 00:54:52,360
Speaker 1: But if they're a way to like nullify the reaction

1056
00:54:52,440 --> 00:54:56,560
Speaker 1: to anthrax, or is there some sort of treatment that

1057
00:54:56,600 --> 00:55:00,759
Speaker 1: we can give people for certain different biological attacks, And

1058
00:55:01,080 --> 00:55:04,000
Speaker 1: you know, it's not necessarily like prudent, and definitely you

1059
00:55:04,040 --> 00:55:06,160
Speaker 1: probably don't really want to like tell your enemies like,

1060
00:55:06,200 --> 00:55:08,279
Speaker 1: oh yeah, hey, don't worry, We've got the treatment for

1061
00:55:08,320 --> 00:55:12,120
Speaker 1: all these things now. But that would be continuing research

1062
00:55:12,200 --> 00:55:15,919
Speaker 1: into a sort of biowarfare thing that's not necessarily nefarious

1063
00:55:15,920 --> 00:55:19,400
Speaker 1: in nature. But also you probably would want to keep secret.

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00:55:20,480 --> 00:55:22,759
Speaker 1: It seems like that would be a thing, right, am

1065
00:55:22,760 --> 00:55:24,600
Speaker 1: I crazy? Doesn't it think like you would want to

1066
00:55:24,640 --> 00:55:26,719
Speaker 1: figure out a way to protect your citizens? No? You do,

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00:55:26,840 --> 00:55:29,120
Speaker 1: you do? You do? And you want to like it's

1068
00:55:29,200 --> 00:55:31,600
Speaker 1: a backup. Yeah, it's a backup plan, and you probably

1069
00:55:31,600 --> 00:55:33,799
Speaker 1: want to keep it a little bit secret because if

1070
00:55:33,800 --> 00:55:36,640
Speaker 1: you've identified like, so, okay, we found we found a

1071
00:55:36,640 --> 00:55:42,520
Speaker 1: factor of treatments for vaccine any bowla and berry berry

1072
00:55:42,680 --> 00:55:46,840
Speaker 1: and disco music, and so we got and and and

1073
00:55:46,880 --> 00:55:48,400
Speaker 1: so you let your enemy know that, and then and

1074
00:55:48,440 --> 00:55:50,359
Speaker 1: the enemy of course it is like, okay, well we're

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00:55:50,360 --> 00:55:52,680
Speaker 1: not going to bother with those things. So you don't

1076
00:55:52,680 --> 00:55:54,120
Speaker 1: want to keep that a little bit a little bit

1077
00:55:54,160 --> 00:55:56,520
Speaker 1: hush us. I mean it seems similar to me, like

1078
00:55:56,920 --> 00:56:00,439
Speaker 1: that Carat campaign, when you know the US was, oh, yeah,

1079
00:56:00,440 --> 00:56:02,759
Speaker 1: we have actually we have radar now right, but they

1080
00:56:02,760 --> 00:56:06,400
Speaker 1: were like, oh, actually are carrots and it it gets

1081
00:56:06,440 --> 00:56:08,040
Speaker 1: it makes your eyes fight better, and that's what our

1082
00:56:08,080 --> 00:56:10,680
Speaker 1: troops are doing. That's how they're able to find you guys.

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00:56:10,880 --> 00:56:13,600
Speaker 1: We don't have this new technology, right. I mean, it's

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00:56:13,600 --> 00:56:15,680
Speaker 1: a kind of you would just I don't know what,

1085
00:56:15,800 --> 00:56:19,200
Speaker 1: I don't know, it just makes sense. But also probably yeah,

1086
00:56:19,200 --> 00:56:22,920
Speaker 1: like it's the US, so I'm not gonna put put anything. Yeah,

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00:56:22,960 --> 00:56:25,000
Speaker 1: I'm not going to put it past them. To be well,

1088
00:56:25,000 --> 00:56:28,920
Speaker 1: you should put anything past any government, any human and

1089
00:56:29,000 --> 00:56:31,440
Speaker 1: frankly and frankly, which is why I'm curious about that

1090
00:56:31,520 --> 00:56:34,720
Speaker 1: chemistry set down in your basement. You should be worried

1091
00:56:34,719 --> 00:56:38,080
Speaker 1: about more than that. But yeah, not just the US,

1092
00:56:38,120 --> 00:56:39,920
Speaker 1: but I think any goavernment there, it's actually kind of

1093
00:56:39,920 --> 00:56:43,799
Speaker 1: their job go to represent their country's interests. So they're

1094
00:56:43,840 --> 00:56:46,120
Speaker 1: not about the touchy feely stuff. They're about, you know,

1095
00:56:46,320 --> 00:56:49,040
Speaker 1: playing hardball, you know, when it comes to things like

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00:56:49,120 --> 00:56:51,520
Speaker 1: national security. That's kind of what they gotta do. I mean,

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00:56:52,239 --> 00:56:56,160
Speaker 1: that's their job. But I think that it. Well, go ahead,

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Speaker 1: I was just gonna say with along with this theory though,

1099
00:56:58,160 --> 00:57:03,760
Speaker 1: with the whole bio weapon theory. People are using this theory,

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00:57:03,960 --> 00:57:06,839
Speaker 1: as you know, their writer for the whole thing with

1101
00:57:06,920 --> 00:57:12,880
Speaker 1: West Nile virus, and the allegations seemed to go from

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00:57:12,920 --> 00:57:17,400
Speaker 1: they created West Nile virus to they're spreading West Nile

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00:57:17,520 --> 00:57:23,080
Speaker 1: virus in the United States to observe it, which I mean, again,

1104
00:57:23,120 --> 00:57:25,080
Speaker 1: it's the same thing. It doesn't make sense. West Nile

1105
00:57:25,160 --> 00:57:30,000
Speaker 1: virus was first identified in the late thirties, and there's

1106
00:57:30,080 --> 00:57:35,200
Speaker 1: actually a very obvious infection trail through time of it

1107
00:57:35,360 --> 00:57:39,480
Speaker 1: moving from I think, oh god, I forgot where it

1108
00:57:39,520 --> 00:57:44,600
Speaker 1: was first identified, but probably so, I don't remember exactly where,

1109
00:57:44,600 --> 00:57:46,720
Speaker 1: but it was. You know, you can follow the trail

1110
00:57:47,120 --> 00:57:50,160
Speaker 1: as it goes from one country to the next and

1111
00:57:50,280 --> 00:57:53,960
Speaker 1: makes its way along. So I mean, this this this theory.

1112
00:57:54,080 --> 00:57:58,960
Speaker 1: People grab whatever is their current scary bug and seemed

1113
00:57:59,000 --> 00:58:01,919
Speaker 1: to say, well, obviously Plumb Island was working on that,

1114
00:58:02,960 --> 00:58:04,960
Speaker 1: but never I mean, if you just stop and look

1115
00:58:05,000 --> 00:58:07,560
Speaker 1: at the history, it's been around, it's been around, it

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00:58:07,600 --> 00:58:09,760
Speaker 1: doesn't make any sense. Well, yeah, the whole idea too

1117
00:58:09,880 --> 00:58:11,920
Speaker 1: that you know what you know, we're gonna like release

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00:58:11,960 --> 00:58:14,200
Speaker 1: it in America so they can like, you know, see

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00:58:14,240 --> 00:58:17,280
Speaker 1: what's what's going to happen. It's like, well why not

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00:58:17,640 --> 00:58:20,360
Speaker 1: why not release it in a foreign country like say Nevada?

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00:58:21,200 --> 00:58:24,880
Speaker 1: You know, I mean, I mean why you know, why

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00:58:24,920 --> 00:58:29,080
Speaker 1: America just kidding Nevada? Well, why not a foreign country?

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Speaker 1: I mean, you know, And because and any of this, say,

1124
00:58:31,400 --> 00:58:33,040
Speaker 1: oh you've got an outbreak of a disease, that's okay,

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00:58:33,080 --> 00:58:35,080
Speaker 1: we'll send our best people in there to help out.

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Speaker 1: And you could totally observe somewhere else and and kill

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00:58:37,880 --> 00:58:40,280
Speaker 1: all somebody else's citizens, and you know, and so it

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00:58:40,800 --> 00:58:44,880
Speaker 1: doesn't make sense to deliberately release it in the US.

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Speaker 1: And you know, I don't know how it got in fact,

1130
00:58:47,880 --> 00:58:50,360
Speaker 1: you know, and mosquitoes got infected with it accidentally. It's

1131
00:58:51,680 --> 00:58:53,880
Speaker 1: it's not that hard to keep mosquitoes out of your lab.

1132
00:58:54,120 --> 00:58:55,720
Speaker 1: You know, they can't just fly in the door. You

1133
00:58:55,760 --> 00:58:58,000
Speaker 1: can always put fly strips up. I guess the mosquitoes

1134
00:58:58,360 --> 00:58:59,800
Speaker 1: they fly to that, or you gotta put up those

1135
00:59:00,040 --> 00:59:02,640
Speaker 1: attracted to it. You gotta put accident, you gotta put

1136
00:59:02,640 --> 00:59:04,960
Speaker 1: those little little electric things out that they fly in

1137
00:59:05,000 --> 00:59:08,960
Speaker 1: the blue lights. Yeah, yeah, that'll do the trick. My

1138
00:59:09,640 --> 00:59:11,280
Speaker 1: other thing is if you can have a super secret

1139
00:59:11,360 --> 00:59:16,160
Speaker 1: biowarfare project, I don't think plumb Island is the best choice. Everybody.

1140
00:59:16,200 --> 00:59:19,120
Speaker 1: Everybody thinks, well, it's an island, it's so isolated secret.

1141
00:59:19,160 --> 00:59:21,439
Speaker 1: But the thing about islands is they're actually pretty easy

1142
00:59:21,440 --> 00:59:23,360
Speaker 1: to keep an eye on and spy on and stuff

1143
00:59:23,400 --> 00:59:25,000
Speaker 1: like that. There's only one way out and off the

1144
00:59:25,040 --> 00:59:27,320
Speaker 1: island for all the people who work there. That's the ferry,

1145
00:59:27,880 --> 00:59:30,680
Speaker 1: which means it's easier to keep tabs on who's who's

1146
00:59:30,760 --> 00:59:34,040
Speaker 1: coming and going. Plus we know of the Chinese. Yeah,

1147
00:59:34,080 --> 00:59:37,160
Speaker 1: we already know that the research facilities actually underneath d

1148
00:59:37,240 --> 00:59:40,880
Speaker 1: i A. So yeah, Denver International Air problem. Yeah yeah.

1149
00:59:41,160 --> 00:59:44,280
Speaker 1: The other problem with an island is that they're subject

1150
00:59:44,400 --> 00:59:49,360
Speaker 1: to weather, and you know, big storms and hurricanes come through. Yeah.

1151
00:59:49,440 --> 00:59:52,280
Speaker 1: Oh well, look all of your research just got spread

1152
00:59:52,320 --> 00:59:55,480
Speaker 1: across the Eastern seaboard. Let's see what it does to

1153
00:59:55,640 --> 01:00:01,280
Speaker 1: them that Wellies facilities are obviously underground, obviously a mile yeah,

1154
01:00:01,320 --> 01:00:04,000
Speaker 1: half a mile underground of course. Yeah. But that's how

1155
01:00:04,000 --> 01:00:06,280
Speaker 1: they're getting people to in front the facility without the

1156
01:00:06,320 --> 01:00:09,400
Speaker 1: Russian seeing them, is they have that underground elevator that

1157
01:00:09,400 --> 01:00:13,800
Speaker 1: they're all taking. You're right, the ferry is actually red herring. Yeah,

1158
01:00:13,800 --> 01:00:15,320
Speaker 1: that's probably what it is. Yeah, it's just it's just

1159
01:00:15,360 --> 01:00:18,240
Speaker 1: like filled with inflatable dummies. But now I think a

1160
01:00:18,280 --> 01:00:20,240
Speaker 1: better way to do is to bury your secret labit

1161
01:00:20,280 --> 01:00:22,680
Speaker 1: side a really huge military base with a lot of

1162
01:00:22,720 --> 01:00:25,840
Speaker 1: people coming and go on espetially people who have degrees

1163
01:00:25,920 --> 01:00:29,920
Speaker 1: and like you know, biology and all kinds of international

1164
01:00:30,000 --> 01:00:33,760
Speaker 1: airport stuff. Now I'm thinking Port Dietrich, Maryland. Actually, yeah,

1165
01:00:33,760 --> 01:00:35,640
Speaker 1: that's that's a pretty huge place, and you could you

1166
01:00:35,640 --> 01:00:38,280
Speaker 1: could totally bury your project inside that a lot easier

1167
01:00:38,280 --> 01:00:41,760
Speaker 1: you can hide it on an island that So I'm

1168
01:00:41,800 --> 01:00:44,640
Speaker 1: kind of liking after the bio warfare, So we're coming

1169
01:00:44,680 --> 01:00:47,560
Speaker 1: up to our last series, which is the true purpose

1170
01:00:47,640 --> 01:00:51,080
Speaker 1: of Palm Island. Doesn't mean they're not actually doing some

1171
01:00:51,200 --> 01:00:55,560
Speaker 1: animal disease research, but that's not really the reason for

1172
01:00:55,960 --> 01:00:58,280
Speaker 1: their existence. And I think what it is is all

1173
01:00:58,320 --> 01:01:01,200
Speaker 1: that's a cover, and I think the actual purpose is

1174
01:01:01,480 --> 01:01:06,320
Speaker 1: containment of the Kennedy family. Yeah, plus Disney. Disney is

1175
01:01:06,320 --> 01:01:09,520
Speaker 1: there too, right, Oh yeah, he's there too, I'm pretty sure. Well, yeah,

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01:01:09,800 --> 01:01:15,480
Speaker 1: I'm confident he's wherever the kidneys Kennedys. You know, yeah,

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Speaker 1: I but but you know, if you're where the Kennedys

1178
01:01:17,760 --> 01:01:20,680
Speaker 1: are rich and uh and and they like you've all

1179
01:01:20,680 --> 01:01:24,120
Speaker 1: seen those pictures of JFK and RFK and Teddy and

1180
01:01:24,160 --> 01:01:28,160
Speaker 1: all the whole families sailing on Long Island sound right, Yeah,

1181
01:01:28,200 --> 01:01:32,280
Speaker 1: because rich people do. Yeah, exactly. They have mansions out

1182
01:01:32,280 --> 01:01:35,760
Speaker 1: there and they like to sail the sound, and naturally, uh,

1183
01:01:36,080 --> 01:01:38,360
Speaker 1: you know, the government is concerned that they might escape

1184
01:01:38,960 --> 01:01:41,200
Speaker 1: the sound and reak havoc on the shipping lanes, which

1185
01:01:41,200 --> 01:01:45,120
Speaker 1: would devastate our economies. That's why. That's why they're doing it. Yeah.

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01:01:45,120 --> 01:01:47,160
Speaker 1: So they're actually there to They're not there to keep

1187
01:01:47,240 --> 01:01:53,760
Speaker 1: something out. They're there to keep something yeah, don't don't. Yeah.

1188
01:01:53,960 --> 01:01:56,840
Speaker 1: So okay, there it is the real purpose of Palm Island.

1189
01:01:56,840 --> 01:01:58,880
Speaker 1: And again it doesn't mean they're not you know, like

1190
01:01:58,920 --> 01:02:01,840
Speaker 1: piggyback on top of the doing a little research on top.

1191
01:02:01,960 --> 01:02:07,120
Speaker 1: But it's just Kennedy's once again. Okay, well that's about

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01:02:07,160 --> 01:02:09,720
Speaker 1: it for my series. You guys have any series. I

1193
01:02:09,840 --> 01:02:12,440
Speaker 1: like the very first one, which is that it's exactly

1194
01:02:12,440 --> 01:02:15,920
Speaker 1: what it says, researching animal diseases that could be it,

1195
01:02:16,000 --> 01:02:18,280
Speaker 1: that's what they said on the web page. Uh. Yeah,

1196
01:02:18,760 --> 01:02:20,440
Speaker 1: although you know, the best thing that I found in

1197
01:02:20,480 --> 01:02:24,160
Speaker 1: researching this entire episode was a comic strip, and I

1198
01:02:24,200 --> 01:02:26,600
Speaker 1: cannot remember who it is. It's a it's a very

1199
01:02:26,680 --> 01:02:32,280
Speaker 1: famous illustrator, always kind of squiggly lined characters, and it's

1200
01:02:32,360 --> 01:02:35,120
Speaker 1: the doctor walking into a patient saying, well, it's obvious

1201
01:02:35,160 --> 01:02:37,600
Speaker 1: that you have hoof and mouth disease, and he's got

1202
01:02:37,600 --> 01:02:45,040
Speaker 1: a horse standing in front of him and mouth. Yeah.

1203
01:02:45,760 --> 01:02:48,080
Speaker 1: Someday I'll tell you all about the amusing cartoons my

1204
01:02:48,160 --> 01:02:51,280
Speaker 1: doctor's got on a wall in his office. I don't

1205
01:02:51,280 --> 01:02:55,440
Speaker 1: want to. Let's let's keep you going. Not the proctologist,

1206
01:02:55,520 --> 01:03:01,400
Speaker 1: not him. Okay, Well anyway, Uh, that concludes our episode

1207
01:03:01,400 --> 01:03:04,480
Speaker 1: about Plumb Island. We're plumb out of stuff to talk

1208
01:03:04,480 --> 01:03:09,400
Speaker 1: about that for so long thinking about we can think

1209
01:03:09,400 --> 01:03:12,040
Speaker 1: of that one. But but you probably have theories of

1210
01:03:12,080 --> 01:03:14,160
Speaker 1: your own. Maybe work out Plumb Island. I don't know.

1211
01:03:14,200 --> 01:03:16,320
Speaker 1: Maybe you listen to our podcast while you're thinking, how

1212
01:03:16,360 --> 01:03:19,240
Speaker 1: busy like moving ticks around from Petri dis to Petri dish.

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Speaker 1: No I do. I use read it all the time. Actually,

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Speaker 1: I guess I read it. That's a that's a good point.

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Speaker 1: I don't I don't know all the subtleties about it.

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Speaker 1: But you know, one of these days you're gonna teach me. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: maybe you keep promising. Yeah, okay, that that wasn't the promise.

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Speaker 1: episode you're looking for a lot faster way to go. Well,

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01:05:39,560 --> 01:05:42,680
Speaker 1: that's about it. Then again, plumbers, send us an email.

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01:05:42,800 --> 01:05:46,400
Speaker 1: We'll hear from you, but not not the pipe kind. No,

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01:05:46,600 --> 01:05:48,919
Speaker 1: not the pipe kind. We're talking about the deadly disease kind.

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01:05:49,040 --> 01:05:51,880
Speaker 1: You want to hear from you, guys? Okay, so until

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01:05:51,920 --> 01:05:56,800
Speaker 1: next week. I guess it's by guys. I don't have anything.

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01:05:56,840 --> 01:05:58,760
Speaker 1: I'm sorry. Oh my, he begs empty. So I wasn't

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Speaker 1: paying attention, but of course it would