1 00:00:07,240 --> 00:00:10,840 Speaker 1: Hi, and welcome back to the Carol Markwood Show on iHeartRadio. 2 00:00:11,160 --> 00:00:14,200 Speaker 1: Someone sent me a study a few days ago about 3 00:00:14,400 --> 00:00:17,639 Speaker 1: the city with the rudest kids in twenty twenty four. 4 00:00:18,280 --> 00:00:21,160 Speaker 1: It's actually a study from I believe, a site where 5 00:00:21,239 --> 00:00:24,760 Speaker 1: kids could play games called Solitaire, So I mean, they 6 00:00:24,840 --> 00:00:28,920 Speaker 1: probably have their own reasons for doing these kinds of studies. 7 00:00:29,760 --> 00:00:35,159 Speaker 1: And what they found was that Memphis, Tennessee, Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, 8 00:00:35,200 --> 00:00:39,520 Speaker 1: and Baltimore, Maryland rudest kids in America in twenty twenty four. 9 00:00:40,040 --> 00:00:44,160 Speaker 1: In Tucson, Arizona, San Diego, California, and Raleigh, North Carolina 10 00:00:44,720 --> 00:00:47,479 Speaker 1: the least rude kids apparently. But the part of the 11 00:00:47,520 --> 00:00:51,319 Speaker 1: study that I found interesting is that nearly three out 12 00:00:51,360 --> 00:00:56,000 Speaker 1: of four Americans said it was social media making kids rude. 13 00:00:56,440 --> 00:01:00,920 Speaker 1: The email actually reads, there's no doubt that the introduction 14 00:01:01,040 --> 00:01:03,880 Speaker 1: of cell phones and social media to younger kids has 15 00:01:03,920 --> 00:01:07,040 Speaker 1: had its fair share of adverse effects on the behavior 16 00:01:07,080 --> 00:01:10,840 Speaker 1: of young people in America. Now, I'd say there's some doubt. 17 00:01:11,200 --> 00:01:15,920 Speaker 1: I am willing to blame social media for a lot, not. 18 00:01:15,840 --> 00:01:18,119 Speaker 2: Even social media as much as screens in. 19 00:01:18,120 --> 00:01:21,000 Speaker 1: General, because I got into it on the show before. 20 00:01:21,160 --> 00:01:23,840 Speaker 1: I think that the big problem now with kids is 21 00:01:23,880 --> 00:01:26,360 Speaker 1: not social media. They're not on Facebook, they're not even 22 00:01:26,400 --> 00:01:29,839 Speaker 1: really on Instagram. They're not taking selfies. They're just scrolling 23 00:01:29,959 --> 00:01:33,600 Speaker 1: these short videos on TikTok and Instagram and YouTube, and 24 00:01:33,640 --> 00:01:36,920 Speaker 1: it's much less about socializing at all. But I digress. 25 00:01:37,400 --> 00:01:42,240 Speaker 1: People specifically, kids are more boring when they stare at 26 00:01:42,280 --> 00:01:42,679 Speaker 1: a screen. 27 00:01:43,000 --> 00:01:46,880 Speaker 2: They're less motivated, they're less sharp. Sure, all of that, 28 00:01:47,680 --> 00:01:50,480 Speaker 2: but ruder. I think that's a step too far in 29 00:01:50,560 --> 00:01:52,120 Speaker 2: the blame game. I feel like. 30 00:01:52,080 --> 00:01:56,720 Speaker 1: People use stuff like this, like social media, to absolve 31 00:01:56,800 --> 00:02:00,960 Speaker 1: them of having to parents. Social media can be a problem, 32 00:02:01,200 --> 00:02:04,600 Speaker 1: so can your kids friends, so can any bad influence. 33 00:02:04,680 --> 00:02:09,040 Speaker 1: I keep running into kids who are misbehaving, often at 34 00:02:09,040 --> 00:02:14,280 Speaker 1: a really obvious, obnoxious level, and the parents literally do nothing. 35 00:02:14,560 --> 00:02:18,760 Speaker 1: I kind of blame the gentle parenting trend, this idea. 36 00:02:18,800 --> 00:02:22,839 Speaker 2: Of no yelling or punishment. I'm just not into it. 37 00:02:22,919 --> 00:02:23,760 Speaker 2: My kids. 38 00:02:23,800 --> 00:02:25,959 Speaker 1: You know, I was born in the Soviet Union. My 39 00:02:26,000 --> 00:02:28,920 Speaker 1: kids are always like your Russian parenting is quite hardcore. 40 00:02:29,320 --> 00:02:31,799 Speaker 1: The thing that always shocks me the most, though, is 41 00:02:31,919 --> 00:02:35,840 Speaker 1: the disrespect, specifically of the parent. The kid is behaving 42 00:02:35,880 --> 00:02:38,399 Speaker 1: like a terror, and the parent, you know, gets down 43 00:02:38,440 --> 00:02:41,320 Speaker 1: to their level, tries the gentle parenting thing and their 44 00:02:41,400 --> 00:02:45,600 Speaker 1: sweetest voice, Timmy, you're going to have to let go 45 00:02:45,680 --> 00:02:48,800 Speaker 1: of your sister's hair as Timmy yanks it to the ground. 46 00:02:49,919 --> 00:02:54,160 Speaker 1: Timmy has no intention of letting go of his sister's hair. 47 00:02:54,639 --> 00:02:57,520 Speaker 1: And also he sticks up two middle fingers at his mom. 48 00:02:57,919 --> 00:02:59,600 Speaker 1: My kids see this stuff and. 49 00:02:59,520 --> 00:03:01,480 Speaker 2: Their eyes go wide. 50 00:03:02,280 --> 00:03:04,840 Speaker 1: They can imagine what I would do to them if 51 00:03:04,840 --> 00:03:06,840 Speaker 1: they talk to me like that, or to anyone. 52 00:03:06,919 --> 00:03:07,239 Speaker 2: Really. 53 00:03:07,280 --> 00:03:09,720 Speaker 1: I would never allow that. My husband and I would 54 00:03:09,760 --> 00:03:14,080 Speaker 1: never ever allow that. Someone once saw my well behaved 55 00:03:14,160 --> 00:03:17,120 Speaker 1: kids and asked whether it was me or my husband 56 00:03:17,120 --> 00:03:20,600 Speaker 1: who's banked them. We've never ever hit our kids. We 57 00:03:20,639 --> 00:03:23,400 Speaker 1: don't have to. I can destroy them with my eyes 58 00:03:23,560 --> 00:03:27,400 Speaker 1: if they're misbehaving. My kids are not perfect. Let me 59 00:03:27,440 --> 00:03:31,160 Speaker 1: pretend that they're perfect. They're just absolutely not. They're not rude, 60 00:03:31,480 --> 00:03:34,680 Speaker 1: not to me or to other people. We just would 61 00:03:34,760 --> 00:03:35,839 Speaker 1: not stand for it. 62 00:03:36,120 --> 00:03:38,360 Speaker 2: Again, not perfect. Can they be. 63 00:03:38,480 --> 00:03:41,560 Speaker 1: Loud or in someone's way, or self absorbed or any 64 00:03:41,640 --> 00:03:45,320 Speaker 1: number of other bad qualities, of course, but there's no 65 00:03:45,520 --> 00:03:48,400 Speaker 1: planet where we would allow them to act out and 66 00:03:48,480 --> 00:03:52,560 Speaker 1: do nothing about it. Kids don't hatch knowing how to 67 00:03:52,600 --> 00:03:56,160 Speaker 1: behave that's something I think parents, especially modern parents, need 68 00:03:56,240 --> 00:03:59,400 Speaker 1: to get. We teach them and then we teach them again, 69 00:03:59,440 --> 00:04:01,360 Speaker 1: and that we take them again and we just teach 70 00:04:01,400 --> 00:04:06,120 Speaker 1: them until they get it. Tiring, time consuming, but that's 71 00:04:06,200 --> 00:04:07,600 Speaker 1: how you get good kids. 72 00:04:07,760 --> 00:04:11,120 Speaker 2: There's no secret shortcut to it. There's no sound of 73 00:04:11,160 --> 00:04:13,840 Speaker 2: your voice that can make it better. Don't listen to 74 00:04:13,880 --> 00:04:14,640 Speaker 2: people on the internet. 75 00:04:14,760 --> 00:04:16,719 Speaker 1: I feel like that should be the name of this podcast. 76 00:04:16,800 --> 00:04:19,080 Speaker 1: Don't listen to people on the internet when they tell 77 00:04:19,120 --> 00:04:21,920 Speaker 1: you can just talk softly to your kids and they'll 78 00:04:21,960 --> 00:04:24,880 Speaker 1: be well behaved. They won't. You have to teach them 79 00:04:24,880 --> 00:04:26,679 Speaker 1: how to do it. You don't get to blame social 80 00:04:26,760 --> 00:04:30,240 Speaker 1: media for your kids. Coming up next, an interview with 81 00:04:30,360 --> 00:04:32,760 Speaker 1: Charlie Gasperino. Join us after the break. 82 00:04:35,880 --> 00:04:39,400 Speaker 3: Welcome back to the Carol Markowitz Show on iHeartRadio. My 83 00:04:39,480 --> 00:04:43,360 Speaker 3: guest today is Charles Gasparino. Charlie is a Fox Business 84 00:04:43,400 --> 00:04:46,760 Speaker 3: Network senior correspondent and the author of a new book, 85 00:04:47,080 --> 00:04:50,560 Speaker 3: Go Woke, Go Broke, The Inside story of the Radicalization 86 00:04:50,680 --> 00:04:51,880 Speaker 3: of Corporate America. 87 00:04:52,000 --> 00:04:53,520 Speaker 2: Hi, Charlie, so nice to have you on. 88 00:04:54,120 --> 00:04:56,240 Speaker 4: Left the New York Post out. How could you do that? 89 00:04:56,520 --> 00:04:58,960 Speaker 3: Oh my gosh, I did you're right, you know, you 90 00:04:59,040 --> 00:05:01,760 Speaker 3: know what it is, asked Fox, how I should introduce you, 91 00:05:01,800 --> 00:05:03,479 Speaker 3: and they're like, how about you just mentioned us? They 92 00:05:03,480 --> 00:05:06,240 Speaker 3: didn't even have I went the book in myself. I 93 00:05:06,279 --> 00:05:07,800 Speaker 3: was like, I know he has a new book. I 94 00:05:07,800 --> 00:05:10,400 Speaker 3: want to get that in there. You're right, he is 95 00:05:10,520 --> 00:05:14,719 Speaker 3: also my you know, colleague columnist at the New York Post, 96 00:05:14,760 --> 00:05:17,440 Speaker 3: where I love to read you. 97 00:05:17,440 --> 00:05:19,600 Speaker 2: You're you make a lot of friends on Twitter. 98 00:05:19,920 --> 00:05:24,800 Speaker 4: Well, you know, listen here. Generally I make enemies in 99 00:05:24,839 --> 00:05:29,240 Speaker 4: frenemies because I write about stocks, main finance. I mean, 100 00:05:29,240 --> 00:05:32,120 Speaker 4: I write a lot about stocks and I and you know, 101 00:05:33,480 --> 00:05:37,000 Speaker 4: the culture wars that I describe in my book actually 102 00:05:37,240 --> 00:05:39,520 Speaker 4: go loocal broke. You know, there's all these culture wars 103 00:05:39,839 --> 00:05:43,320 Speaker 4: where people when they saw what Disney was doing with 104 00:05:43,440 --> 00:05:46,720 Speaker 4: same sex kissing scenes, what they when they saw what 105 00:05:46,760 --> 00:05:50,159 Speaker 4: Budwiser was doing with the trans woman in the bubble 106 00:05:50,200 --> 00:05:53,839 Speaker 4: bath drinking of Bud as an influencer. Yeah, well, you 107 00:05:53,880 --> 00:05:58,440 Speaker 4: know Larry Finks proselytizing about ESG, environmental social governments and 108 00:05:58,839 --> 00:06:01,760 Speaker 4: you know, changing behavior years of people that are mostly 109 00:06:01,800 --> 00:06:05,560 Speaker 4: in a progressive way that manifests on social media in 110 00:06:05,839 --> 00:06:09,440 Speaker 4: a major way. Also, the other stuff I cover, which 111 00:06:09,480 --> 00:06:11,760 Speaker 4: I cover the confluence of politics and finance. But somebody 112 00:06:11,760 --> 00:06:14,280 Speaker 4: that I just cover finance, you know, you wouldn't believe 113 00:06:14,320 --> 00:06:18,320 Speaker 4: how tribal the stock market has gone. So you see 114 00:06:18,520 --> 00:06:22,560 Speaker 4: of blowback on my stories when I wrote about meme stocks, 115 00:06:22,920 --> 00:06:26,760 Speaker 4: people diving into these things that you know shouldn't. You know, 116 00:06:26,800 --> 00:06:28,360 Speaker 4: it's a waste of money. And most of them were 117 00:06:28,360 --> 00:06:31,920 Speaker 4: blown up, by the way, and there's all these conspiracy 118 00:06:31,960 --> 00:06:34,080 Speaker 4: theories you know why they didn't go up. I mean, 119 00:06:34,200 --> 00:06:39,240 Speaker 4: stupid stuff for anybody with it. You know, you don't 120 00:06:39,279 --> 00:06:39,920 Speaker 4: even have to take. 121 00:06:39,800 --> 00:06:42,080 Speaker 3: E comm win it one right, basic understanding of the 122 00:06:42,120 --> 00:06:45,000 Speaker 3: stock markets can't line. 123 00:06:44,839 --> 00:06:47,240 Speaker 4: Like it's usually the stuff on that. But lately with 124 00:06:47,320 --> 00:06:50,320 Speaker 4: this book, I've been getting hate, like at another level, 125 00:06:50,360 --> 00:06:53,279 Speaker 4: from really from lefties. And it was interesting, is that, 126 00:06:54,279 --> 00:06:56,360 Speaker 4: you know. So I wrote a common in New York 127 00:06:56,400 --> 00:07:00,719 Speaker 4: Post that said Kamala Harris could be our first de president. 128 00:07:00,880 --> 00:07:02,920 Speaker 4: And you know, I didn't think it was that controversial 129 00:07:02,920 --> 00:07:06,200 Speaker 4: because I remember, yeah, Joe the first off, I mean, 130 00:07:06,240 --> 00:07:09,159 Speaker 4: it was obvious that she was chosen mainly because. 131 00:07:08,880 --> 00:07:10,840 Speaker 2: She checked by celebrated that. 132 00:07:11,040 --> 00:07:14,080 Speaker 4: You know, celebrated, yeah, and Joe Biden wanted a black woman, 133 00:07:14,280 --> 00:07:18,200 Speaker 4: and he then celebrated. He says, deis throughout my administration, 134 00:07:18,720 --> 00:07:21,040 Speaker 4: including at the very top the vice president. So I 135 00:07:21,720 --> 00:07:24,040 Speaker 4: didn't think it was like that controversy. There was an 136 00:07:24,040 --> 00:07:26,880 Speaker 4: interesting take on it, and also gave me a chance 137 00:07:26,920 --> 00:07:29,640 Speaker 4: to plug my book. So I'm it's a Saturday, the 138 00:07:29,680 --> 00:07:32,960 Speaker 4: Post releases it and my phone is starting to blow up. 139 00:07:32,960 --> 00:07:34,440 Speaker 4: I'm like, what the hell is going on? I have? 140 00:07:34,640 --> 00:07:37,400 Speaker 4: You know, it was like Saturday, around eight. I had 141 00:07:37,480 --> 00:07:39,960 Speaker 4: one martini in me. I was ready to go ahead, 142 00:07:41,120 --> 00:07:44,840 Speaker 4: and then I saw that one. I mean literally I 143 00:07:44,880 --> 00:07:47,880 Speaker 4: wanted to go to bed. I was I see blowing up. 144 00:07:47,920 --> 00:07:50,520 Speaker 4: I see you know, yo, Gavin Newsom just called you 145 00:07:50,560 --> 00:07:53,320 Speaker 4: a racist, and so I go on to Twitter and 146 00:07:53,360 --> 00:07:57,240 Speaker 4: I see you know incoming like you. Yeah, that wasn't 147 00:07:57,280 --> 00:07:59,720 Speaker 4: all negative. It was a lot of positive too. It 148 00:07:59,760 --> 00:08:00,560 Speaker 4: was people. 149 00:08:00,520 --> 00:08:02,840 Speaker 3: Gavin knew some calling you a racist, like you should 150 00:08:02,920 --> 00:08:04,160 Speaker 3: have that in your Twitter bio. 151 00:08:04,320 --> 00:08:08,640 Speaker 4: Well, you know I didn't take it. When I the 152 00:08:08,680 --> 00:08:10,120 Speaker 4: next morning when I got up, I said, oh, this 153 00:08:10,160 --> 00:08:11,120 Speaker 4: is perfect for the book. 154 00:08:11,360 --> 00:08:12,840 Speaker 2: Huge, right. 155 00:08:12,920 --> 00:08:15,840 Speaker 4: He tweeted him and said, you know, mister Governor, I'd 156 00:08:15,840 --> 00:08:18,560 Speaker 4: love to interview you about your views on why it's 157 00:08:18,640 --> 00:08:20,840 Speaker 4: racist for me to say exactly what Joe Biden said, 158 00:08:20,880 --> 00:08:23,080 Speaker 4: but then after weekend with them with that, I want 159 00:08:23,160 --> 00:08:26,160 Speaker 4: to also delve into a couple of things about California. 160 00:08:26,160 --> 00:08:28,320 Speaker 4: Why are so many people leaving? Why is it la 161 00:08:28,600 --> 00:08:32,440 Speaker 4: a shithold essentially? And by the way, one more thing 162 00:08:32,120 --> 00:08:33,880 Speaker 4: you did you why did you think it was a 163 00:08:33,920 --> 00:08:36,040 Speaker 4: smart move to lock down the entire state, saying you 164 00:08:36,040 --> 00:08:38,320 Speaker 4: can't go out for dinner even outside. Didn't show up 165 00:08:38,360 --> 00:08:40,480 Speaker 4: at a restaurant, fancy sancy. 166 00:08:41,600 --> 00:08:44,120 Speaker 3: I'd like to know I closed the schools, but let 167 00:08:44,160 --> 00:08:46,480 Speaker 3: his kids go to the open private school, and then. 168 00:08:46,360 --> 00:08:48,400 Speaker 4: Maybe we can get into the logic of you calling me. 169 00:08:48,600 --> 00:08:50,440 Speaker 4: He didn't quite call me a racist, Just so you know, 170 00:08:50,480 --> 00:08:52,760 Speaker 4: I just I know, I know this sort of verbiage 171 00:08:52,800 --> 00:08:56,240 Speaker 4: of the lea. Yes, it's like my column was racist? 172 00:08:56,720 --> 00:09:00,800 Speaker 4: Was racism? You know, my thought was rac He doesn't 173 00:09:00,800 --> 00:09:02,600 Speaker 4: know it's in myself right. 174 00:09:03,320 --> 00:09:06,360 Speaker 2: It's just amazing that DEI. It's like it's good. 175 00:09:06,880 --> 00:09:10,400 Speaker 3: But if we acknowledge that anybody was hired using it, 176 00:09:10,440 --> 00:09:10,960 Speaker 3: that's bad. 177 00:09:11,400 --> 00:09:13,760 Speaker 4: Yeah. I'm so stupid, I mean, so illogical, but it 178 00:09:13,800 --> 00:09:16,160 Speaker 4: was funny. Just tell you know. Two weeks later, now 179 00:09:16,160 --> 00:09:18,520 Speaker 4: a week later, I'm on Fox and I have a 180 00:09:18,679 --> 00:09:21,200 Speaker 4: very spirited discussion with a guy and like Andy puns there, 181 00:09:21,320 --> 00:09:24,200 Speaker 4: used to work in a Trump administration, and we somehow 182 00:09:24,600 --> 00:09:27,240 Speaker 4: evolved into, you know, whether Trump spent too much money 183 00:09:27,280 --> 00:09:29,000 Speaker 4: during his time, and I said, listen, let's be clear, 184 00:09:29,040 --> 00:09:34,240 Speaker 4: he's not a fiscal conservative, but it comes to spending again, 185 00:09:34,600 --> 00:09:36,760 Speaker 4: you know, just kind of like at the end of 186 00:09:36,760 --> 00:09:39,480 Speaker 4: the day, I'm in the gym, actually hitting the heavy bag, 187 00:09:39,559 --> 00:09:41,839 Speaker 4: working out, and I'm thinking, Okay, I'm gonna get done 188 00:09:41,840 --> 00:09:44,319 Speaker 4: with this and just go out for dinner tonight, quite dinner, 189 00:09:44,320 --> 00:09:48,000 Speaker 4: and I get this email from my producer, Dude, Trump 190 00:09:48,120 --> 00:09:50,920 Speaker 4: just called you an never Trumper on social media. That's 191 00:09:51,000 --> 00:09:55,120 Speaker 4: truth social wow. So I go back. I see Charlie 192 00:09:55,200 --> 00:10:00,440 Speaker 4: never trumper, gus wow. I was asked by Andy. I 193 00:10:00,600 --> 00:10:02,000 Speaker 4: was like, what the hell is this? 194 00:10:02,640 --> 00:10:05,240 Speaker 3: And you're not a Nember Trumper, are you? 195 00:10:04,480 --> 00:10:04,520 Speaker 1: No? 196 00:10:05,240 --> 00:10:08,160 Speaker 4: No, right? I was bulls and strikes. I'm both, yeah, 197 00:10:08,240 --> 00:10:11,920 Speaker 4: you know, and that's that's the absurdity. Then yesterday Keith 198 00:10:11,920 --> 00:10:14,920 Speaker 4: Odman called me a fascist and I and I said, well, 199 00:10:15,040 --> 00:10:18,360 Speaker 4: no offense, Keith, but you know that's your go to term. 200 00:10:18,960 --> 00:10:21,160 Speaker 4: Disagrees with you, and plus you look like a guy 201 00:10:21,200 --> 00:10:22,679 Speaker 4: that that people should keep away from. 202 00:10:22,679 --> 00:10:26,480 Speaker 3: There say, he insulted me one time, and I think 203 00:10:26,520 --> 00:10:29,800 Speaker 3: I had the best comeback ever. I said, I wish 204 00:10:29,840 --> 00:10:32,160 Speaker 3: you had insulted me when you were still relevant, like 205 00:10:32,280 --> 00:10:33,400 Speaker 3: and then it would have you know. 206 00:10:33,640 --> 00:10:36,719 Speaker 4: It mattered ied in and I said, you know who 207 00:10:37,200 --> 00:10:39,960 Speaker 4: who would have who ever thought that you were unemployable? 208 00:10:41,400 --> 00:10:42,000 Speaker 2: Everybody? 209 00:10:42,520 --> 00:10:45,240 Speaker 4: So, I mean, you know, that's kind of you know, 210 00:10:45,320 --> 00:10:49,520 Speaker 4: the absurdity of you know, the racist thing or the 211 00:10:49,559 --> 00:10:52,240 Speaker 4: never Trumper thing is that I'm just a journalist. You know, 212 00:10:52,280 --> 00:10:55,200 Speaker 4: I have strong opinions. I call him as I see him. 213 00:10:55,200 --> 00:10:58,640 Speaker 4: I've attacked both Republicans and Democrats. You know, most people 214 00:10:58,640 --> 00:11:02,600 Speaker 4: don't know what really where I am on the political spectrum. 215 00:11:02,600 --> 00:11:04,439 Speaker 4: I'm kind of all over the place. I mean, you 216 00:11:04,480 --> 00:11:06,160 Speaker 4: might say I'm a libertarian. 217 00:11:05,640 --> 00:11:06,880 Speaker 2: But then I think I know where you are. 218 00:11:07,200 --> 00:11:09,719 Speaker 4: Yeah, well yeah, but then then again, you know, I 219 00:11:10,160 --> 00:11:11,640 Speaker 4: kind of go against the grain on somebody. 220 00:11:12,880 --> 00:11:15,880 Speaker 3: I don't think there's anything wrong with saying that. Wait, yeah, 221 00:11:15,960 --> 00:11:20,080 Speaker 3: I'm against ethenaloty too, though, but I have a problem 222 00:11:20,120 --> 00:11:22,720 Speaker 3: with you, and I'm pretty right wingy, but can I 223 00:11:22,760 --> 00:11:23,000 Speaker 3: have a. 224 00:11:23,000 --> 00:11:26,320 Speaker 4: Problem with you know, outlawing abortion period. I mean, I 225 00:11:26,559 --> 00:11:29,120 Speaker 4: understand where Trump's coming with that. I actually agree with 226 00:11:29,200 --> 00:11:31,280 Speaker 4: him on leave it to the States, And you know, 227 00:11:31,520 --> 00:11:33,920 Speaker 4: I know personally I'm pro choice. I mean, it's just me, 228 00:11:34,640 --> 00:11:37,040 Speaker 4: but I understand where he's coming with this. So at 229 00:11:37,080 --> 00:11:39,559 Speaker 4: any event, I tried to write a book that way. Now, 230 00:11:39,720 --> 00:11:42,360 Speaker 4: one thing I'm not is woke, and I think it's 231 00:11:42,360 --> 00:11:47,760 Speaker 4: one of the most corrosive, disgusting cultural phenomenons this country 232 00:11:47,840 --> 00:11:51,559 Speaker 4: ever ever engaged in. I could see why it happened 233 00:11:51,600 --> 00:11:54,440 Speaker 4: at the at the university level, you know, the fever 234 00:11:54,520 --> 00:11:57,560 Speaker 4: swamps of the u N and you know Elizabeth Warren's 235 00:11:57,559 --> 00:12:02,760 Speaker 4: sort of staff meetings right aocs, you know, you know, 236 00:12:03,120 --> 00:12:06,120 Speaker 4: you know, coffee clatches. But I can't. I could never 237 00:12:06,320 --> 00:12:10,440 Speaker 4: understand why Jamie Diamond and Larry Fink and all these 238 00:12:10,480 --> 00:12:13,880 Speaker 4: CEOs who I actually know like and respect went there. 239 00:12:14,120 --> 00:12:15,040 Speaker 2: So what did you discover? 240 00:12:15,240 --> 00:12:15,400 Speaker 3: Why? 241 00:12:15,520 --> 00:12:16,520 Speaker 2: Why did well? 242 00:12:16,559 --> 00:12:18,680 Speaker 4: I mean when I did the book, you know, it's 243 00:12:18,679 --> 00:12:21,000 Speaker 4: never like one reason why something happened, and it was 244 00:12:21,040 --> 00:12:23,480 Speaker 4: it was a slow burn, and I think there was 245 00:12:23,520 --> 00:12:26,440 Speaker 4: a number of things that occurt. First off, we should 246 00:12:26,480 --> 00:12:28,960 Speaker 4: point out that, you know, Jamie Diamond and Larry Fink 247 00:12:29,040 --> 00:12:31,360 Speaker 4: are much different. The new CEOs a different than like 248 00:12:31,800 --> 00:12:34,800 Speaker 4: the old guys like you know, Jack Welsh, you know 249 00:12:34,800 --> 00:12:38,640 Speaker 4: what I'm saying. You know Dan Tolly who ran Merrill Lynch. 250 00:12:38,640 --> 00:12:41,160 Speaker 4: I knew all these guys. They were pretty much just businessmen, 251 00:12:41,480 --> 00:12:43,960 Speaker 4: you know. They they were nominally Republican, and Jack Welsh 252 00:12:44,040 --> 00:12:45,960 Speaker 4: was conservative, but he just ran a business and that 253 00:12:46,080 --> 00:12:48,520 Speaker 4: was his whole thing. And I as I did my 254 00:12:48,520 --> 00:12:51,240 Speaker 4: my my reporting, I found out that this sort of 255 00:12:51,280 --> 00:12:55,880 Speaker 4: like politicalization of the boardroom sort of started seeping in. 256 00:12:55,920 --> 00:12:58,440 Speaker 4: And it reminded me of when I first started at 257 00:12:58,480 --> 00:13:00,240 Speaker 4: the Wall Street Journal. My first job at the Wall 258 00:13:00,280 --> 00:13:03,920 Speaker 4: Street Journal was covering mutual funds, and you know, I 259 00:13:03,960 --> 00:13:06,560 Speaker 4: hated it, but it was like a big business. It 260 00:13:06,640 --> 00:13:10,000 Speaker 4: was like booming, and nineteen ninety five, mutual funds was 261 00:13:10,040 --> 00:13:13,760 Speaker 4: like it was like AI today. It was like one 262 00:13:13,800 --> 00:13:16,200 Speaker 4: of the biggest growth centers for Wall Street and it 263 00:13:16,320 --> 00:13:18,680 Speaker 4: just was killing it. And I was covering it and 264 00:13:18,720 --> 00:13:22,320 Speaker 4: I noticed this sort of odd little subsector of it 265 00:13:22,440 --> 00:13:25,840 Speaker 4: known as socially responsible investing. And I used to you know, 266 00:13:25,920 --> 00:13:27,839 Speaker 4: so we used to cover these stories about tech funds 267 00:13:27,880 --> 00:13:30,960 Speaker 4: and this thing and Fidelity doing this to investors at 268 00:13:31,040 --> 00:13:36,200 Speaker 4: Vanguard exploding in growth, Jack Bogel and Peter Lynch and 269 00:13:36,240 --> 00:13:36,960 Speaker 4: you know they had and. 270 00:13:36,840 --> 00:13:38,760 Speaker 2: That was the star that was the start of this 271 00:13:38,960 --> 00:13:39,800 Speaker 2: DII moment. 272 00:13:40,120 --> 00:13:43,400 Speaker 4: Well, well, it was a sub sector of the mutual 273 00:13:43,400 --> 00:13:46,800 Speaker 4: fund business that was called socially responsible and it was 274 00:13:46,920 --> 00:13:48,960 Speaker 4: really interesting. So I used to go and listen to 275 00:13:49,000 --> 00:13:51,360 Speaker 4: these folks, like I do a story on them, and 276 00:13:51,400 --> 00:13:54,240 Speaker 4: you'd sit there and they just explain why they're you know, 277 00:13:54,280 --> 00:13:57,360 Speaker 4: what their investment parameters were, and it was like all 278 00:13:57,400 --> 00:14:02,200 Speaker 4: progressive stuff and so like it was we only we 279 00:14:02,280 --> 00:14:04,880 Speaker 4: only you know, support you know, these are some of 280 00:14:04,880 --> 00:14:07,000 Speaker 4: the parameters. I remember one guy was up there. I 281 00:14:07,080 --> 00:14:09,280 Speaker 4: was given a seminar and I raised my hand. He goes, 282 00:14:09,640 --> 00:14:12,160 Speaker 4: you know, if you if you're a company that does 283 00:14:12,200 --> 00:14:16,680 Speaker 4: not provide you know, reproductive rights, that then we we 284 00:14:16,720 --> 00:14:19,200 Speaker 4: won't invest your company. So I said, so you'll use 285 00:14:19,600 --> 00:14:23,600 Speaker 4: So this is a fund that supports abortion on demand 286 00:14:22,600 --> 00:14:26,120 Speaker 4: and reproduct the rights. No, it's called abortion. You know, 287 00:14:26,200 --> 00:14:29,200 Speaker 4: you want to board babies. Again, I'm pro choice, but 288 00:14:29,240 --> 00:14:31,640 Speaker 4: it's playing the Devil's advocate with these guys. It was 289 00:14:31,680 --> 00:14:34,800 Speaker 4: just watching them like twist themselves. So I just remembered 290 00:14:34,880 --> 00:14:39,320 Speaker 4: that it kind of went you know, dormant, and then 291 00:14:39,520 --> 00:14:43,200 Speaker 4: if you notice there was certain things occurred that pushed 292 00:14:43,240 --> 00:14:47,440 Speaker 4: us along and where it was. You know, two thousand 293 00:14:47,480 --> 00:14:49,640 Speaker 4: and eight is a huge marker because that's when you 294 00:14:49,760 --> 00:14:53,520 Speaker 4: literally had populism in both the right and the left. 295 00:14:53,560 --> 00:14:56,760 Speaker 4: He Party and occupied Wall Street, but mostly occupied Wall Street, 296 00:14:57,200 --> 00:15:02,040 Speaker 4: animated members of Congress in ways TEA Party was mostly 297 00:15:02,080 --> 00:15:04,680 Speaker 4: focused on the Fed and printing money, and right, you know, 298 00:15:04,840 --> 00:15:07,640 Speaker 4: you know, QE being bad and basing the currency. This 299 00:15:07,760 --> 00:15:10,440 Speaker 4: was different. This was like political, how do we change companies? 300 00:15:10,480 --> 00:15:13,000 Speaker 4: Elizabeth Warren? You know, how do we maybe you know, 301 00:15:13,160 --> 00:15:15,720 Speaker 4: socialize all the banks? You know, nationalize the banks was 302 00:15:16,080 --> 00:15:18,440 Speaker 4: Kea's thing after two thousand and eight. I covered two 303 00:15:18,480 --> 00:15:21,000 Speaker 4: thousand and eight very, very, a lot cher and I 304 00:15:21,040 --> 00:15:22,640 Speaker 4: was at CNBC. I broke a lot of the stories. 305 00:15:22,640 --> 00:15:25,560 Speaker 4: I broke tarp. I remember moving the markets five hundred 306 00:15:25,560 --> 00:15:29,680 Speaker 4: points in a second. It was just fever time. And 307 00:15:30,000 --> 00:15:33,520 Speaker 4: you know, the left actually started to sort of gain 308 00:15:33,640 --> 00:15:36,560 Speaker 4: political traction in ways I've never seen it before. Obviously, 309 00:15:36,720 --> 00:15:39,160 Speaker 4: if you had a community organizer, a man of the left, 310 00:15:39,240 --> 00:15:42,560 Speaker 4: Barack Obama's president, if you had industrial policy that was 311 00:15:42,600 --> 00:15:48,680 Speaker 4: being foisted on big companies like Republicans like Jeff Immelt 312 00:15:49,400 --> 00:15:54,400 Speaker 4: of ge Jack Welsh's successor somehow found himself on Obama's 313 00:15:54,440 --> 00:15:57,440 Speaker 4: Economic Council and they were talking about windmills and you know, 314 00:15:57,480 --> 00:16:00,000 Speaker 4: how to replace you know, gas gulls in the cars. 315 00:16:00,680 --> 00:16:04,000 Speaker 4: So there was clearly something happened then. And then if 316 00:16:04,000 --> 00:16:06,880 Speaker 4: you go slowly, you start seeing as I went back 317 00:16:06,880 --> 00:16:11,240 Speaker 4: and research, ESG starts to become talked about in dobbles. 318 00:16:11,240 --> 00:16:13,880 Speaker 4: It begins at the UN as sort of some sort 319 00:16:13,880 --> 00:16:16,120 Speaker 4: of a weird position paper at the UN in nineteen 320 00:16:16,200 --> 00:16:18,720 Speaker 4: ninety five. Ironically, right around the time with this social 321 00:16:18,760 --> 00:16:21,680 Speaker 4: responsible investing, it starts picking up steam and Davos and 322 00:16:21,720 --> 00:16:25,240 Speaker 4: Davos is literally you know, all these guys just it's 323 00:16:25,280 --> 00:16:27,840 Speaker 4: like it's like a it's like a feedback loop. 324 00:16:28,000 --> 00:16:32,160 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's an incubator, definitely. Yeah. 325 00:16:32,280 --> 00:16:39,240 Speaker 4: And then you know, you you have Blackrock figuring out 326 00:16:39,560 --> 00:16:43,240 Speaker 4: and other asset managers how they can make money and 327 00:16:43,280 --> 00:16:46,640 Speaker 4: buy political cover from the left. And one way to 328 00:16:46,680 --> 00:16:51,640 Speaker 4: do that is to embrace this ESG business. And they 329 00:16:51,720 --> 00:16:57,960 Speaker 4: started literally pushing ESG not just for people that want 330 00:16:58,000 --> 00:17:00,600 Speaker 4: to hurt you single as they invest they pushed it 331 00:17:00,600 --> 00:17:03,560 Speaker 4: throughout their firms because it allowed their big firms. Their firms, 332 00:17:03,640 --> 00:17:07,520 Speaker 4: these are huge asset managers, trillions of dollars. They're very 333 00:17:07,520 --> 00:17:10,119 Speaker 4: important to the economy. They could tell companies what to 334 00:17:10,160 --> 00:17:14,160 Speaker 4: do because they wanted to get access, mainly to pension 335 00:17:14,200 --> 00:17:18,040 Speaker 4: fund money, which was run by lefty politicians in California. 336 00:17:18,320 --> 00:17:21,240 Speaker 4: CalPERS is one of the biggest right it's brillions of 337 00:17:21,280 --> 00:17:25,280 Speaker 4: dollars New York State trillions of dollars because they want 338 00:17:25,320 --> 00:17:28,240 Speaker 4: the Illinois trillions of dollars. They wanted to get that. 339 00:17:29,160 --> 00:17:32,280 Speaker 4: They started adopting ESG and then, you know, to put 340 00:17:32,280 --> 00:17:34,920 Speaker 4: a finer point on it. I think it was twenty eighteen, 341 00:17:34,960 --> 00:17:38,200 Speaker 4: twenty nineteen. The Business Roundtable, which is the one hundred 342 00:17:38,240 --> 00:17:41,879 Speaker 4: biggest companies, it's like their lobby group run by Jamie 343 00:17:41,920 --> 00:17:44,800 Speaker 4: Diamond at the time, said we're going to change the 344 00:17:44,880 --> 00:17:48,240 Speaker 4: way our business ethos. We're going to go to stakeholder 345 00:17:48,280 --> 00:17:51,760 Speaker 4: capitalism where we're we're citizens of the world. We're going 346 00:17:51,840 --> 00:17:55,719 Speaker 4: to throw overboard shareholder capitalism, which was created by Milton Friedman, 347 00:17:55,760 --> 00:17:58,199 Speaker 4: which said you have to serve the shareholder within the 348 00:17:58,240 --> 00:18:02,359 Speaker 4: confines of ethics and leading, but don't screw around politics. 349 00:18:02,800 --> 00:18:05,439 Speaker 4: And they went there, and then it was game on 350 00:18:05,600 --> 00:18:09,000 Speaker 4: and then after George Floyd, you could see the manifestation 351 00:18:09,080 --> 00:18:12,960 Speaker 4: of wokeness writ large. Absolutely there is a happy ending 352 00:18:13,000 --> 00:18:15,159 Speaker 4: for people like us. In this sense, there was a 353 00:18:15,160 --> 00:18:16,200 Speaker 4: consumer backlash. 354 00:18:16,760 --> 00:18:18,720 Speaker 2: Is it backfiring? That's what I want to ask. 355 00:18:19,040 --> 00:18:22,960 Speaker 4: It's not just backfiring. It's like you, I don't think. Listen, 356 00:18:23,040 --> 00:18:25,560 Speaker 4: if you want to virtue signal, be a company, a 357 00:18:25,560 --> 00:18:27,840 Speaker 4: woke company, you know, you better be Ben and Jerry's 358 00:18:27,840 --> 00:18:31,159 Speaker 4: these days. 359 00:18:29,640 --> 00:18:31,840 Speaker 3: Like a product that people just are obsessed with and 360 00:18:31,920 --> 00:18:33,240 Speaker 3: don't it doesn't matter what the. 361 00:18:33,160 --> 00:18:35,399 Speaker 4: Politics are, you know, Okay. 362 00:18:35,200 --> 00:18:37,080 Speaker 2: I don't know. I don't buy Ben and Jerry's anymore. 363 00:18:37,680 --> 00:18:39,639 Speaker 2: And we liked Ben and Jerry's, but I know we 364 00:18:39,720 --> 00:18:40,320 Speaker 2: got it out. 365 00:18:40,560 --> 00:18:43,080 Speaker 3: I also, I'm running out of sneaker brands, like we're 366 00:18:43,200 --> 00:18:46,040 Speaker 3: like all the sneaker brands are woke. 367 00:18:46,119 --> 00:18:47,920 Speaker 2: I don't even know what to buy anymore. 368 00:18:48,280 --> 00:18:51,119 Speaker 4: Are they I don't see it. I don't see them 369 00:18:51,160 --> 00:18:52,880 Speaker 4: proselytizing as someone Nike. 370 00:18:53,320 --> 00:18:53,679 Speaker 2: I don't know. 371 00:18:53,680 --> 00:18:56,480 Speaker 3: I guess I just I can't forgive what they did 372 00:18:56,520 --> 00:18:59,200 Speaker 3: even a few years ago. Maybe they're not as much anymore. 373 00:19:00,600 --> 00:19:03,399 Speaker 3: We don't buy Nike, you know. Adidas just had this whole, 374 00:19:03,480 --> 00:19:08,720 Speaker 3: like nineteen seventy two celebrating the Olympics where Israeli athletes 375 00:19:08,720 --> 00:19:10,879 Speaker 3: were slaughtered. I just all all of that to me. 376 00:19:11,320 --> 00:19:13,440 Speaker 2: I can't abide, And then. 377 00:19:13,720 --> 00:19:17,280 Speaker 3: I'm actually my favorite my favorite sneaker brand was Kanye's. 378 00:19:17,359 --> 00:19:20,600 Speaker 3: Kanye West's Easy's were the best sneakers I've ever worn 379 00:19:20,640 --> 00:19:21,240 Speaker 3: in my life. 380 00:19:21,760 --> 00:19:23,960 Speaker 2: It was like walking on clouds. They were amazing. I 381 00:19:23,960 --> 00:19:26,360 Speaker 2: don't know why nobody else can do it, but yeah, 382 00:19:26,600 --> 00:19:27,959 Speaker 2: I was really hard hit by that. 383 00:19:28,640 --> 00:19:31,080 Speaker 4: Well, you could buy all the listen. I don't have 384 00:19:31,400 --> 00:19:33,040 Speaker 4: I work out a lot, trust me, I have the 385 00:19:33,080 --> 00:19:35,520 Speaker 4: bad needs to prove it. And I'm older and so 386 00:19:35,920 --> 00:19:38,400 Speaker 4: I don't wear Adidas or Nike or any of those 387 00:19:38,440 --> 00:19:39,400 Speaker 4: and I get through the day. 388 00:19:39,520 --> 00:19:41,880 Speaker 2: So yeah, you don't have to tell us what you're 389 00:19:42,880 --> 00:19:43,480 Speaker 2: I got. 390 00:19:43,320 --> 00:19:45,600 Speaker 4: My wife orders them for me. That's all. But I 391 00:19:45,600 --> 00:19:47,959 Speaker 4: I'll go look later. But that's what I'm saying, Like, 392 00:19:48,160 --> 00:19:52,119 Speaker 4: if you go there, you will face consumer backlace, bud 393 00:19:52,119 --> 00:19:57,800 Speaker 4: Wiser Disney inflicting same sex kissing scenes gratuitously in cartoons. 394 00:19:57,880 --> 00:19:58,840 Speaker 4: I mean give me. 395 00:19:58,960 --> 00:19:59,160 Speaker 3: Yeah. 396 00:20:00,000 --> 00:20:02,800 Speaker 4: Blackrock lost two trillion dollars assets under management when it 397 00:20:02,840 --> 00:20:06,280 Speaker 4: became the poster child for esg right, none of this 398 00:20:06,359 --> 00:20:08,520 Speaker 4: stuff's works. And if we're going to go meta on 399 00:20:08,560 --> 00:20:12,600 Speaker 4: this a little bit, you got to ask yourself, Okay, 400 00:20:12,680 --> 00:20:15,719 Speaker 4: if it doesn't work broadly for brands, how is Kamala 401 00:20:15,760 --> 00:20:19,639 Speaker 4: Harris going to pull it off? Because Kamala is you 402 00:20:19,640 --> 00:20:24,479 Speaker 4: know she said it, Oh I'm be woke. Well, yeah, 403 00:20:24,600 --> 00:20:27,480 Speaker 4: it was some word salad. She came up, trust me, 404 00:20:27,640 --> 00:20:29,919 Speaker 4: some word salad and it was like in line with 405 00:20:29,960 --> 00:20:33,280 Speaker 4: everything else she says. But her bottom line was when 406 00:20:33,280 --> 00:20:35,480 Speaker 4: you translated, you know, go woke. You know it's the 407 00:20:35,520 --> 00:20:38,399 Speaker 4: best thing in the world. I don't think it's a 408 00:20:38,440 --> 00:20:39,480 Speaker 4: winning formula. 409 00:20:40,119 --> 00:20:40,960 Speaker 2: I hope. 410 00:20:41,040 --> 00:20:43,959 Speaker 4: Yeah, Donald, it's construe this up. 411 00:20:43,960 --> 00:20:46,760 Speaker 2: Excuse me, I said, you're a lot of curse on here. 412 00:20:46,800 --> 00:20:47,800 Speaker 2: It's totally okay. 413 00:20:48,280 --> 00:20:50,240 Speaker 3: We're going to take a quick break and be right 414 00:20:50,280 --> 00:20:56,240 Speaker 3: back on the Carol Marcowitch Show. So a question that 415 00:20:56,280 --> 00:20:58,480 Speaker 3: I ask all of my guests is what do you 416 00:20:58,480 --> 00:21:02,159 Speaker 3: think is our largest cultural pro And I guess my 417 00:21:02,200 --> 00:21:05,280 Speaker 3: follow up to that is is it wokeness in companies? 418 00:21:05,440 --> 00:21:07,439 Speaker 3: Is does it trickle down into our culture? 419 00:21:08,520 --> 00:21:10,439 Speaker 4: Well, I don't think it's wokeness in company. I think 420 00:21:10,440 --> 00:21:13,000 Speaker 4: it's wokeness period. I mean I think this sort of 421 00:21:13,520 --> 00:21:22,200 Speaker 4: this sort of cultural affinity to celebrate everybody's difference except 422 00:21:22,200 --> 00:21:26,719 Speaker 4: for a white male and have a hierarchy and celebration 423 00:21:26,920 --> 00:21:32,040 Speaker 4: of this is maybe the dumbest thing for cultural cohesion, 424 00:21:32,320 --> 00:21:35,960 Speaker 4: for cohesive society to do. I mean there is I 425 00:21:35,960 --> 00:21:41,920 Speaker 4: mean there is no there is no unifying ethos of wokeness. 426 00:21:41,920 --> 00:21:45,480 Speaker 4: It's all about putting putting each other at odds and 427 00:21:46,040 --> 00:21:48,600 Speaker 4: you know, fighting about it and beating up on the 428 00:21:48,600 --> 00:21:52,000 Speaker 4: guys on the other lower end like they were like 429 00:21:52,080 --> 00:21:55,320 Speaker 4: they own slaves. I mean, listen, I mean listen. I 430 00:21:55,320 --> 00:22:00,000 Speaker 4: come at this interestingly because I'm the first person who 431 00:22:00,119 --> 00:22:02,919 Speaker 4: my family to actually and then my brother was second 432 00:22:03,440 --> 00:22:05,840 Speaker 4: to go to go to high school, like to finish 433 00:22:05,880 --> 00:22:08,560 Speaker 4: high school. My father went to Samuel Gompers High School 434 00:22:08,600 --> 00:22:10,879 Speaker 4: in the Bronx, which, if you know, is a technical 435 00:22:10,960 --> 00:22:14,720 Speaker 4: high school. It's not not like academic high school. It's 436 00:22:14,760 --> 00:22:18,440 Speaker 4: because he was a poor white dude Italian. My mother 437 00:22:19,080 --> 00:22:23,000 Speaker 4: lived in housing projects and tenements, Italian American. She dropped 438 00:22:23,000 --> 00:22:25,600 Speaker 4: out of school at sixteen because she could type but 439 00:22:25,760 --> 00:22:28,280 Speaker 4: a gazillion words admitted a minute. She got a job 440 00:22:28,320 --> 00:22:30,840 Speaker 4: at the Bisco as a as a secretary like one 441 00:22:30,880 --> 00:22:34,159 Speaker 4: of those Madmen secretaries was my mom, and that my 442 00:22:34,240 --> 00:22:36,480 Speaker 4: father at the time was working in the New York 443 00:22:36,480 --> 00:22:40,480 Speaker 4: City's Stanitation department as a mechanic. And you know, I'm 444 00:22:40,520 --> 00:22:43,280 Speaker 4: just saying that I come from this. You know, there 445 00:22:43,359 --> 00:22:47,240 Speaker 4: is no there were no gimneys for me, you know 446 00:22:47,240 --> 00:22:49,760 Speaker 4: what I'm saying. It was like nobody gave me two 447 00:22:49,880 --> 00:22:53,080 Speaker 4: hundred points in my SATs. You know, no one said, 448 00:22:53,119 --> 00:22:57,080 Speaker 4: you know, I had no no coaching through this. I 449 00:22:57,119 --> 00:23:02,040 Speaker 4: had parents that really didn't know about it. And come out, listen. 450 00:23:02,080 --> 00:23:04,639 Speaker 4: I didn't grow up in a tenement, and I get that, 451 00:23:05,920 --> 00:23:10,359 Speaker 4: but it's and I understand the need for diversity, and 452 00:23:10,400 --> 00:23:13,200 Speaker 4: I also understand the need for poor people to get 453 00:23:13,240 --> 00:23:17,439 Speaker 4: a break. But by by essentially saying and this is 454 00:23:17,440 --> 00:23:24,320 Speaker 4: what DEI does, the rich South American woman lesbian has 455 00:23:24,960 --> 00:23:28,359 Speaker 4: has been more oppressed than the coal miner's daughter. 456 00:23:30,080 --> 00:23:31,440 Speaker 2: That it makes no sense. 457 00:23:32,040 --> 00:23:35,520 Speaker 4: It makes no sense. And it's because she checks more 458 00:23:35,560 --> 00:23:39,199 Speaker 4: boxes on race and sex and all this weird stuff 459 00:23:39,200 --> 00:23:43,399 Speaker 4: that some creepy social scientists came up with. God knows 460 00:23:43,440 --> 00:23:46,720 Speaker 4: when I guess it was. I mean, I don't you know, 461 00:23:46,760 --> 00:23:48,440 Speaker 4: that was one thing I didn't say, like who I 462 00:23:48,680 --> 00:23:52,120 Speaker 4: found out when woke became a term. It was after 463 00:23:52,920 --> 00:23:55,520 Speaker 4: Michael Brown and the Ferguson stuff. It was supposed to 464 00:23:55,560 --> 00:23:59,560 Speaker 4: be awake, then they woke, and then it was bewoke, 465 00:23:59,640 --> 00:24:01,920 Speaker 4: and then a sudden it was like, you know, the right, 466 00:24:02,160 --> 00:24:06,199 Speaker 4: the conservative movement actually sort of stole that, you know, 467 00:24:06,200 --> 00:24:08,879 Speaker 4: exppropriated it and try to make fun of it. And 468 00:24:10,119 --> 00:24:12,040 Speaker 4: George I's probably the first time they ever did anything 469 00:24:12,119 --> 00:24:17,520 Speaker 4: smart like that. But you know, so, you know, I 470 00:24:17,600 --> 00:24:22,280 Speaker 4: wonder who actually came up with these check boxes, these intersectionality. 471 00:24:22,880 --> 00:24:25,320 Speaker 4: I mean, yeah about this. 472 00:24:25,680 --> 00:24:28,359 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's the active mentioned in the book. 473 00:24:28,920 --> 00:24:31,560 Speaker 4: What became interesting is after George Floyd is like all 474 00:24:31,560 --> 00:24:35,640 Speaker 4: these companies like Gold and Sachs started like bringing see 475 00:24:35,720 --> 00:24:39,960 Speaker 4: r people that taught this stuff right sermonized. Yeah. The 476 00:24:40,040 --> 00:24:41,040 Speaker 4: weirdest thing. 477 00:24:41,320 --> 00:24:44,080 Speaker 3: I just I just watched Am I Racist? The Matt 478 00:24:44,080 --> 00:24:44,760 Speaker 3: Walsh movie. 479 00:24:45,320 --> 00:24:46,160 Speaker 2: I'm so good. 480 00:24:46,600 --> 00:24:49,439 Speaker 3: It's I mean, awkward as all hell. I had to 481 00:24:49,440 --> 00:24:51,919 Speaker 3: watch it like like this, I like, I don't do 482 00:24:52,000 --> 00:24:55,040 Speaker 3: well with awkward, Like I can't watch Curb Your Enthusiasm 483 00:24:55,119 --> 00:24:57,800 Speaker 3: or anything like that, but I made it through this movie. 484 00:24:57,840 --> 00:25:01,600 Speaker 3: It was really funny and it's like scare how these 485 00:25:01,640 --> 00:25:05,280 Speaker 3: people swallow this bullshit, and the fact that people that 486 00:25:05,359 --> 00:25:08,760 Speaker 3: come big companies do is you know, even more frightening. 487 00:25:08,880 --> 00:25:13,480 Speaker 4: Really yeah, I mean like listening to Jamie Diamond talk 488 00:25:13,480 --> 00:25:17,680 Speaker 4: about systemic racism, like so Jamie and then and then 489 00:25:17,720 --> 00:25:20,520 Speaker 4: talk about the need for a racial equity fund, right, 490 00:25:20,840 --> 00:25:24,840 Speaker 4: thirty six billion dollar racial equity fund. So I raised 491 00:25:24,840 --> 00:25:27,080 Speaker 4: this thing. And then to watch him take a knee 492 00:25:27,680 --> 00:25:30,320 Speaker 4: during the same time at a bank branch in Malchis. 493 00:25:30,400 --> 00:25:33,320 Speaker 4: Goes from yeah, so there's all there's there's By the way, 494 00:25:33,359 --> 00:25:35,359 Speaker 4: my story is mainly anecdotes. I try to write it 495 00:25:35,520 --> 00:25:37,760 Speaker 4: like a my book. I try to write it like 496 00:25:37,800 --> 00:25:40,600 Speaker 4: a narrative, you know. So you see all these narratives, 497 00:25:40,600 --> 00:25:43,800 Speaker 4: and it's chronological and all this stuff. So there's a 498 00:25:43,840 --> 00:25:45,440 Speaker 4: couple of things that stand out. One of the things 499 00:25:45,600 --> 00:25:48,199 Speaker 4: was with Jamie Diamond. So when he so he starts, 500 00:25:48,359 --> 00:25:51,159 Speaker 4: he sees what goes on at Bank of America. Brian Mornan, 501 00:25:51,280 --> 00:25:54,800 Speaker 4: another very woke CEO, says, Okay, calls everybody in his room. 502 00:25:55,119 --> 00:25:57,480 Speaker 4: I had a source that I knew exactly what was 503 00:25:57,520 --> 00:26:00,440 Speaker 4: going on, calls everybody and he goes two things. After 504 00:26:00,440 --> 00:26:03,600 Speaker 4: George Floyd, this is really bad stuff. I need. I 505 00:26:03,640 --> 00:26:07,600 Speaker 4: need everybody to read the collective works of roge Chetty. 506 00:26:08,480 --> 00:26:12,480 Speaker 4: And roge Chetty is a progressive professor at Harvard that 507 00:26:12,960 --> 00:26:15,359 Speaker 4: talks about inequality a lot, you know what I'm saying. 508 00:26:15,440 --> 00:26:18,800 Speaker 4: And then he started bringing in roge Chetty to give 509 00:26:18,920 --> 00:26:21,720 Speaker 4: like certain you know, zoom calls with bankers and stuff 510 00:26:21,760 --> 00:26:24,280 Speaker 4: like this, such a grift, Yeah, it's so stupid. Then 511 00:26:24,280 --> 00:26:25,680 Speaker 4: he says, you know what, We're going to start a 512 00:26:25,760 --> 00:26:30,600 Speaker 4: one point five billion dollar racial equity fund. People are like, okay, well, 513 00:26:30,600 --> 00:26:32,160 Speaker 4: how do we give this out? He goes, just get 514 00:26:32,160 --> 00:26:34,560 Speaker 4: the money going, just get it out there, right, And 515 00:26:34,840 --> 00:26:36,840 Speaker 4: what is it going to be? Well, low interest loans, 516 00:26:36,880 --> 00:26:41,320 Speaker 4: this that grants you know. Diamond sees this and he goes, well, 517 00:26:41,400 --> 00:26:45,360 Speaker 4: you know I can't let a he's the second biggest bank, 518 00:26:45,400 --> 00:26:48,520 Speaker 4: we're number one. So he starts he's sort of like 519 00:26:48,760 --> 00:26:50,480 Speaker 4: does it on steroids. He says, we're going to do 520 00:26:50,520 --> 00:26:53,800 Speaker 4: a thirty five billion dollar fund, and you know, this 521 00:26:53,920 --> 00:26:56,879 Speaker 4: is systemic racism. We're going to give it to every community, 522 00:26:57,240 --> 00:26:59,800 Speaker 4: including the LATINX community and so. 523 00:27:00,280 --> 00:27:04,320 Speaker 2: And everyone's like, what the hell's Latinx's. 524 00:27:03,080 --> 00:27:05,680 Speaker 4: Like, what's the LATINX know what it is. But yes, 525 00:27:06,200 --> 00:27:08,360 Speaker 4: in fact checking the book, I go back, I go, well, 526 00:27:08,440 --> 00:27:10,359 Speaker 4: can you tell me how this worked out. He goes, no, 527 00:27:10,440 --> 00:27:11,320 Speaker 4: we're not going to get in. 528 00:27:13,000 --> 00:27:15,000 Speaker 2: Don't you worry about it. It was fine. 529 00:27:15,400 --> 00:27:17,199 Speaker 4: The PR guy for JP Morgan says, but you know, 530 00:27:17,359 --> 00:27:20,040 Speaker 4: you keep mentioning Jamie taking a knee. I said, yes, 531 00:27:20,760 --> 00:27:23,399 Speaker 4: he did it when he went to the Mount Kisco 532 00:27:23,520 --> 00:27:26,720 Speaker 4: branch right during the George Floyd wriots. And I remember 533 00:27:26,720 --> 00:27:28,720 Speaker 4: calling you. I said, well, is he taking a knee 534 00:27:28,760 --> 00:27:31,240 Speaker 4: for Black Lives Matter? And you said, no comments, you 535 00:27:31,359 --> 00:27:33,600 Speaker 4: just believe what you want. I said, well, that was 536 00:27:33,600 --> 00:27:37,800 Speaker 4: a that was not tacit. You were basically confirming what 537 00:27:37,840 --> 00:27:40,639 Speaker 4: everybody thinks. Yeah, and he goes, oh no, no, we 538 00:27:40,720 --> 00:27:43,479 Speaker 4: just didn't want to get involved at the time. Jamie 539 00:27:43,520 --> 00:27:45,879 Speaker 4: was actually taking a knee so we can fit in 540 00:27:45,920 --> 00:27:47,879 Speaker 4: the picture and not block the people behind. 541 00:27:48,160 --> 00:27:49,040 Speaker 2: Oh yeah. 542 00:27:49,119 --> 00:27:51,679 Speaker 4: And I'm like, oh, come on, took you four years 543 00:27:51,680 --> 00:27:52,359 Speaker 4: to come out with that. 544 00:27:52,640 --> 00:27:56,000 Speaker 2: Clarify that right, I'm not sure. I'm not sure I 545 00:27:56,040 --> 00:27:56,680 Speaker 2: buy that one. 546 00:27:56,720 --> 00:27:58,920 Speaker 4: Actually, well, you know, that was an interesting see this 547 00:27:59,400 --> 00:28:02,200 Speaker 4: there's a couple of really interesting scenes. Another interesting scene, 548 00:28:02,200 --> 00:28:05,000 Speaker 4: which is very telling is there's something called the New 549 00:28:05,080 --> 00:28:06,200 Speaker 4: York City Partnership. 550 00:28:06,600 --> 00:28:11,280 Speaker 3: You know wild it's like all the big businesses in 551 00:28:11,320 --> 00:28:13,199 Speaker 3: New York, right, I mean all the banks, all the 552 00:28:13,200 --> 00:28:13,960 Speaker 3: insurance companies. 553 00:28:14,000 --> 00:28:17,120 Speaker 2: So they do like the parks and stuff, like the movies. 554 00:28:16,720 --> 00:28:21,119 Speaker 4: And stuff like that they do. It's like a pr organization, 555 00:28:21,240 --> 00:28:24,640 Speaker 4: lobby group for the biggest the biggest companies in New York. 556 00:28:24,640 --> 00:28:26,760 Speaker 4: They need all the time. So I mean, like Steve 557 00:28:26,800 --> 00:28:28,840 Speaker 4: Schwartzman A Blackstone is part of it. So it is 558 00:28:28,920 --> 00:28:32,080 Speaker 4: Jamie Dimond. So they're all part of it. I think 559 00:28:32,080 --> 00:28:38,920 Speaker 4: it's Alvin Bragg had just gotten elected, uh Manhattan Attorney General, 560 00:28:39,360 --> 00:28:43,600 Speaker 4: excuse me, Manhattan District Attorney and taking a spot that 561 00:28:43,720 --> 00:28:46,200 Speaker 4: was you know, for years made it was a great 562 00:28:46,200 --> 00:28:49,760 Speaker 4: office run by Bob Morgan. Thou Yeah, a political It 563 00:28:49,960 --> 00:28:54,000 Speaker 4: just took on mainly big crimes. You know, it wasn't 564 00:28:54,040 --> 00:28:56,720 Speaker 4: a political organization. But you know, Alva Bragg ran as 565 00:28:56,760 --> 00:29:01,120 Speaker 4: a George Soros esque defund the police guy that's, let's 566 00:29:01,160 --> 00:29:04,120 Speaker 4: not crack down on crimes, let's decriminalize all this stuff. 567 00:29:05,600 --> 00:29:10,240 Speaker 4: He comes in and he starts, it leaks, and the 568 00:29:10,280 --> 00:29:14,480 Speaker 4: Post breaks the story that it leaks, the memo about 569 00:29:14,840 --> 00:29:16,720 Speaker 4: here all the crimes. We're not going to prosecute anymore. 570 00:29:16,720 --> 00:29:19,840 Speaker 4: Something to get a little crazy at the New York 571 00:29:19,880 --> 00:29:24,120 Speaker 4: City Partnership, where it is, I just give the guy 572 00:29:24,120 --> 00:29:26,360 Speaker 4: a chance. He doesn't seem that radical if you talk 573 00:29:26,440 --> 00:29:27,320 Speaker 4: to he's a nice guy. 574 00:29:27,520 --> 00:29:28,080 Speaker 2: Yeah. 575 00:29:28,240 --> 00:29:30,680 Speaker 4: So they were like okay, and then the body start 576 00:29:30,760 --> 00:29:32,480 Speaker 4: piling up them. I mean, this is where it gets 577 00:29:32,560 --> 00:29:36,520 Speaker 4: really sick. I mean, you know, the woman from Deloitte 578 00:29:36,520 --> 00:29:39,720 Speaker 4: gets pushed in front of a train and forget. I 579 00:29:39,720 --> 00:29:43,120 Speaker 4: think the name is go Kathleen Glow or go. There's 580 00:29:43,160 --> 00:29:45,200 Speaker 4: a guy that worked at Golden Sacks. And these are 581 00:29:45,240 --> 00:29:47,880 Speaker 4: not like bankers. You know, people think that everybody works 582 00:29:47,880 --> 00:29:50,880 Speaker 4: for a financial firm is rich and takes chauffeurs. No, 583 00:29:51,000 --> 00:29:52,680 Speaker 4: these are the average people work. 584 00:29:52,760 --> 00:29:55,040 Speaker 2: But also used to be like that. Everybody took the subway. 585 00:29:55,200 --> 00:29:58,920 Speaker 3: That was like everybody took people that could buy protection, 586 00:30:00,080 --> 00:30:02,960 Speaker 3: average people. They had to when things started going downhill. 587 00:30:03,080 --> 00:30:04,320 Speaker 3: They couldn't protect this guy. 588 00:30:04,880 --> 00:30:07,280 Speaker 4: Sas guy was on a train and he got murdered, 589 00:30:07,400 --> 00:30:11,120 Speaker 4: just flown away. They go nuts the New York City Partnership. 590 00:30:11,160 --> 00:30:14,520 Speaker 4: They demand a meeting with Bragg. He goes, he sits 591 00:30:14,560 --> 00:30:17,160 Speaker 4: there and they're like, there's all these crazy questions, like 592 00:30:17,200 --> 00:30:20,280 Speaker 4: what guy says, So, if if I get hit in 593 00:30:20,320 --> 00:30:23,400 Speaker 4: the head with a baseball bat and beat and die, 594 00:30:23,680 --> 00:30:27,040 Speaker 4: is that is that not a crime? That's a crime 595 00:30:27,040 --> 00:30:29,800 Speaker 4: because they tried to kill you. Yeah, But then he says, 596 00:30:29,840 --> 00:30:32,400 Speaker 4: well I suppose I don't die, Well then maybe, I 597 00:30:32,440 --> 00:30:35,720 Speaker 4: mean it was like this weird thing, right, And then 598 00:30:35,840 --> 00:30:37,880 Speaker 4: Bragg turns to them and says something along the lines 599 00:30:37,880 --> 00:30:40,640 Speaker 4: I'm paraphrasing, Well, you guys kind of knew where I 600 00:30:40,680 --> 00:30:43,000 Speaker 4: was coming from when I first ran. Why did you 601 00:30:43,000 --> 00:30:44,280 Speaker 4: Why aren't he complaining? Now? 602 00:30:44,560 --> 00:30:47,080 Speaker 2: I like that. Good for him. You know, they did know, 603 00:30:47,320 --> 00:30:47,880 Speaker 2: They did know. 604 00:30:48,640 --> 00:30:50,520 Speaker 4: And I agree with him on that, and I agree 605 00:30:50,520 --> 00:30:51,320 Speaker 4: with him on anything. 606 00:30:51,120 --> 00:30:51,920 Speaker 2: Else no the same. 607 00:30:52,000 --> 00:30:54,520 Speaker 3: I mean, I think he's horrific, and they, you know, 608 00:30:54,720 --> 00:30:56,000 Speaker 3: hope New York votes him out. 609 00:30:56,360 --> 00:30:56,960 Speaker 2: But he's right. 610 00:30:57,120 --> 00:31:00,000 Speaker 3: They wanted somebody far left. They got someone far left. 611 00:31:00,120 --> 00:31:01,840 Speaker 3: What do they think's going to happen? 612 00:31:02,000 --> 00:31:04,600 Speaker 4: Well, they are there because they're taking the chauffeur. And 613 00:31:04,680 --> 00:31:08,240 Speaker 4: that's one thing that's so pernicious about welkness in general, 614 00:31:08,280 --> 00:31:11,960 Speaker 4: whether it's defunded police, whether it's you know, what target 615 00:31:12,040 --> 00:31:14,280 Speaker 4: does where you have to you know, you go to 616 00:31:14,360 --> 00:31:16,080 Speaker 4: a shop store with your two kids. 617 00:31:16,480 --> 00:31:17,240 Speaker 2: Yeah, and you got to. 618 00:31:17,240 --> 00:31:21,200 Speaker 4: See rows upon rows of gender affirming stuff for children, 619 00:31:21,720 --> 00:31:25,560 Speaker 4: Rainbow coverers, onesies, tuck friendly bathing suits that could be 620 00:31:25,560 --> 00:31:30,080 Speaker 4: worn by a teenage boy transition to a woman. I mean, 621 00:31:30,120 --> 00:31:34,720 Speaker 4: all the books proselytizing personally, I don't care. When I 622 00:31:34,760 --> 00:31:36,800 Speaker 4: walk see that stuff I walk by, it doesn't even 623 00:31:36,800 --> 00:31:40,040 Speaker 4: register my head. People do care. And you know, here's 624 00:31:40,080 --> 00:31:42,280 Speaker 4: the thing, and this is where it gets horrible for 625 00:31:42,320 --> 00:31:46,920 Speaker 4: the average American. Why they're rebelling. They don't have shoppers 626 00:31:46,960 --> 00:31:49,000 Speaker 4: for them. They have to shop on their own. They 627 00:31:49,000 --> 00:31:52,160 Speaker 4: don't have daycares. Some people can't afford daycare. They have 628 00:31:52,240 --> 00:31:55,080 Speaker 4: to Moms from working class families have to bring the 629 00:31:55,160 --> 00:31:59,320 Speaker 4: kids to Target with them, right, you know they go 630 00:31:59,360 --> 00:32:02,000 Speaker 4: to a movie. They just want to, you know, get 631 00:32:02,000 --> 00:32:03,080 Speaker 4: their kids out of the house. 632 00:32:03,280 --> 00:32:05,720 Speaker 2: Right, You don't. We don't want a lesson that you 633 00:32:05,720 --> 00:32:06,440 Speaker 2: don't agree with. 634 00:32:06,600 --> 00:32:10,520 Speaker 3: You don't want the messaging to children, right, they don't 635 00:32:10,520 --> 00:32:14,000 Speaker 3: want to. I mean I care, I don't want political 636 00:32:14,000 --> 00:32:15,120 Speaker 3: messaging to my kids. 637 00:32:15,360 --> 00:32:16,760 Speaker 2: I would not agree with it. 638 00:32:16,880 --> 00:32:19,800 Speaker 4: But the rich CEO like a Jamie Diamond or the 639 00:32:19,800 --> 00:32:22,160 Speaker 4: guy that runs Target like Cornell's point and make a 640 00:32:22,200 --> 00:32:26,479 Speaker 4: book they can escape all that. They don't have to 641 00:32:26,600 --> 00:32:30,480 Speaker 4: have their kids be proselytized by that. The average American 642 00:32:30,600 --> 00:32:33,840 Speaker 4: does send their kids to public school and they're teaching 643 00:32:33,880 --> 00:32:38,160 Speaker 4: pronouns in the public school. Yeah, Ron desanthis bravely and 644 00:32:38,200 --> 00:32:42,440 Speaker 4: courageously said enough enough. And this is where this is. 645 00:32:42,440 --> 00:32:44,480 Speaker 2: What he actually did. It's so funny. I feel like 646 00:32:44,480 --> 00:32:45,800 Speaker 2: people don't talk about this enough. 647 00:32:45,840 --> 00:32:49,760 Speaker 3: But he made the public schools safer from that kind 648 00:32:49,840 --> 00:32:53,200 Speaker 3: of stuff. And the private schools are you know, like 649 00:32:53,440 --> 00:32:55,760 Speaker 3: parents who send their kids to private schools in Florida, 650 00:32:56,320 --> 00:32:58,040 Speaker 3: you have to kind of know what you're going to 651 00:32:58,120 --> 00:32:59,720 Speaker 3: get at your school. It could be good, it could 652 00:32:59,720 --> 00:33:02,280 Speaker 3: be bad, but the state has no control over that. 653 00:33:02,360 --> 00:33:05,360 Speaker 3: He made the public schools exactly what you're saying. He 654 00:33:05,440 --> 00:33:08,360 Speaker 3: made it safer for the average person to send their kids. 655 00:33:08,360 --> 00:33:12,000 Speaker 4: And by the way, he's a popularly elected governor. It 656 00:33:12,120 --> 00:33:17,080 Speaker 4: was passed by a popularly popularly elected state legislature. And 657 00:33:17,120 --> 00:33:18,800 Speaker 4: guess who opposed it. And this is one of the 658 00:33:18,880 --> 00:33:21,880 Speaker 4: key parts of the book. Disney. Right, So Disney is 659 00:33:21,920 --> 00:33:24,680 Speaker 4: sitting there and you know, Bob Chapick was the CEO. 660 00:33:25,480 --> 00:33:28,920 Speaker 4: He didn't want to oppose it. He felt compelled to. 661 00:33:29,160 --> 00:33:31,440 Speaker 2: He was forced to write by activists. 662 00:33:31,720 --> 00:33:34,160 Speaker 4: Yeah, Bob and by the way, the guy that later 663 00:33:34,240 --> 00:33:38,120 Speaker 4: took his job, Bob Iger. I went back and noticed 664 00:33:38,160 --> 00:33:40,400 Speaker 4: that Bob iger gave an interview and did a tweet 665 00:33:40,920 --> 00:33:43,800 Speaker 4: about how Disney's staying out of the fight over the 666 00:33:43,880 --> 00:33:45,920 Speaker 4: Don't Say Gay bill, which you never said, gain the bill. 667 00:33:46,160 --> 00:33:50,080 Speaker 4: It's ridiculous, was bad for trance kids, discriminatory, and it 668 00:33:50,080 --> 00:33:52,960 Speaker 4: puts so much pressure on chaepick. He had to do 669 00:33:53,080 --> 00:33:56,320 Speaker 4: one and then he kind of tried to correct himself 670 00:33:56,360 --> 00:33:58,640 Speaker 4: too much on the rates and he went and he 671 00:33:58,720 --> 00:34:03,160 Speaker 4: lost his job. Obviouslyer's back there, and but think about that. 672 00:34:03,240 --> 00:34:05,400 Speaker 4: And this is where a guy named ed Renzi, who 673 00:34:05,480 --> 00:34:08,160 Speaker 4: leads as a former CEO of McDonald's USA, who leads 674 00:34:08,200 --> 00:34:11,200 Speaker 4: the counter attack to wokeness. He saw what was going on. 675 00:34:11,280 --> 00:34:14,080 Speaker 4: He said, who the hell is this guy saying no 676 00:34:14,239 --> 00:34:18,120 Speaker 4: to the governor? Just run fucking business. And he did 677 00:34:18,160 --> 00:34:21,120 Speaker 4: say it just like that, And he started a movement. 678 00:34:21,200 --> 00:34:25,399 Speaker 4: He and Bernie Marcus, who's another yes, Bernie Marcus Home 679 00:34:25,440 --> 00:34:29,720 Speaker 4: Depot fame, started a counter movement, uh, you know, to 680 00:34:29,719 --> 00:34:34,120 Speaker 4: to address corporate wokeness. That's my bigger point is and 681 00:34:34,200 --> 00:34:37,040 Speaker 4: here's where what does go broke? So Eiger comes back 682 00:34:37,080 --> 00:34:40,359 Speaker 4: in they blow out shape pick. Oh the great Eiger's back. 683 00:34:40,400 --> 00:34:41,840 Speaker 4: You know he had a great run, but you know 684 00:34:41,880 --> 00:34:44,000 Speaker 4: a lot of it was wind was at his back, right, 685 00:34:44,080 --> 00:34:46,440 Speaker 4: you know, he you know, he was the media business 686 00:34:46,520 --> 00:34:48,760 Speaker 4: and we didn't have cord cutting when Bob Iger was running. 687 00:34:48,760 --> 00:34:51,680 Speaker 4: Most of the stuff he had the he had good rate, 688 00:34:51,760 --> 00:34:53,319 Speaker 4: he had good shows, he had good rate, and it 689 00:34:53,320 --> 00:34:58,040 Speaker 4: almost didn't matter papered over all his wacky wokenessney stock kept. 690 00:34:57,800 --> 00:34:59,920 Speaker 3: Going up in good times, you can get away with 691 00:35:00,080 --> 00:35:00,800 Speaker 3: a lot, right. 692 00:35:01,000 --> 00:35:02,759 Speaker 4: So then and by the way, then he did something 693 00:35:02,800 --> 00:35:06,879 Speaker 4: stupid and something really smart that our ultimate boss did 694 00:35:07,440 --> 00:35:10,160 Speaker 4: sold him all our entertainment assets at the top of 695 00:35:10,200 --> 00:35:13,960 Speaker 4: the market. So he was laiden with fifty billion dollars 696 00:35:13,960 --> 00:35:17,120 Speaker 4: a day. Right, So Fox sold its entertainment apps. So 697 00:35:17,480 --> 00:35:19,399 Speaker 4: that's what Chapik was dealing with. He wanted to deal 698 00:35:19,440 --> 00:35:21,759 Speaker 4: with that. So now Iiger has to deal with it. 699 00:35:22,000 --> 00:35:23,640 Speaker 4: He also has to deal with the fact that people 700 00:35:23,640 --> 00:35:28,160 Speaker 4: hate his woke programming. He does then if you read 701 00:35:28,160 --> 00:35:31,000 Speaker 4: the end of the book, he's doing a one eighty unwokeness. 702 00:35:31,040 --> 00:35:34,600 Speaker 4: Mister woke himself. And one reason why he is is 703 00:35:34,640 --> 00:35:37,400 Speaker 4: because disney Stock hasn't yet since twenty fourteen. 704 00:35:37,560 --> 00:35:41,600 Speaker 3: That's reason for that, Right, He's hopefully waking up woke, 705 00:35:41,840 --> 00:35:44,000 Speaker 3: you know, waking up in the other direction though. 706 00:35:44,200 --> 00:35:47,680 Speaker 2: Yes, so, Charlie, You're on Fox. 707 00:35:47,440 --> 00:35:49,600 Speaker 3: News, you have a column in the Post, you have 708 00:35:49,800 --> 00:35:51,040 Speaker 3: a new hit book out. 709 00:35:51,800 --> 00:35:52,960 Speaker 2: Do you feel like you've made it? 710 00:35:53,000 --> 00:35:53,080 Speaker 1: So? 711 00:35:53,080 --> 00:35:53,759 Speaker 2: What does that mean? 712 00:35:54,880 --> 00:35:58,240 Speaker 4: I don't know. You know, Listen, I've had ups downs 713 00:35:58,280 --> 00:36:01,080 Speaker 4: in my career. You know. I wrote a best selling 714 00:36:01,080 --> 00:36:04,520 Speaker 4: book in two thousand and eight, got a new contract 715 00:36:04,520 --> 00:36:07,280 Speaker 4: that Fox from CNBC. You know where I thought. I really, 716 00:36:07,600 --> 00:36:09,680 Speaker 4: when I think I make it is like when I 717 00:36:09,719 --> 00:36:12,480 Speaker 4: when I break a big story and I don't know. 718 00:36:13,160 --> 00:36:15,399 Speaker 4: I don't know yet if I made it with this, 719 00:36:15,600 --> 00:36:19,840 Speaker 4: with this, you know, and one other thing. You know, this, 720 00:36:19,840 --> 00:36:21,600 Speaker 4: this is a hard question. I can't believe you asked 721 00:36:21,640 --> 00:36:23,200 Speaker 4: me this. This is like one of those open ended 722 00:36:23,280 --> 00:36:26,080 Speaker 4: questions that always get you in trouble. I will say this. 723 00:36:26,239 --> 00:36:29,480 Speaker 4: I think I'm blessed. Okay. I get on my knees 724 00:36:29,480 --> 00:36:32,160 Speaker 4: every day and I thank the Good Lord for my health, 725 00:36:33,320 --> 00:36:36,880 Speaker 4: for the ability to keep doing this at a high level, 726 00:36:37,280 --> 00:36:39,680 Speaker 4: and for platforms that allow me to do this. And 727 00:36:39,719 --> 00:36:41,799 Speaker 4: I thank the people at Fox. I think the people 728 00:36:41,840 --> 00:36:45,480 Speaker 4: at the Post and and I try to deliver, you know, 729 00:36:46,200 --> 00:36:48,000 Speaker 4: based on you know, they give me the platform. I 730 00:36:48,000 --> 00:36:50,720 Speaker 4: tried to deliver for them. I think in that way, 731 00:36:51,200 --> 00:36:53,480 Speaker 4: I think I made it, and that to me is 732 00:36:53,800 --> 00:36:57,120 Speaker 4: making you know, I live a good life. I you know, 733 00:36:57,440 --> 00:37:01,040 Speaker 4: I don't want for anything. I don't live extravagantly. I 734 00:37:01,120 --> 00:37:03,319 Speaker 4: make decent money, you know. You know, listen, when I 735 00:37:03,320 --> 00:37:06,759 Speaker 4: was a kid, it was funny my parents thought there 736 00:37:06,800 --> 00:37:09,680 Speaker 4: was so I grew up in Yorktown Heights, you know, yeah, 737 00:37:09,680 --> 00:37:12,080 Speaker 4: the only thinking about Yorktown Heights. That's where AOC came from. 738 00:37:12,080 --> 00:37:14,680 Speaker 4: Only my old man was a construction worker and we 739 00:37:14,840 --> 00:37:18,560 Speaker 4: lived in front of the car wash. In my backyard 740 00:37:18,640 --> 00:37:23,120 Speaker 4: was the car wash and the UPS plant. So think 741 00:37:23,160 --> 00:37:26,319 Speaker 4: about that. In our one thousand foot square foot house, 742 00:37:26,680 --> 00:37:28,560 Speaker 4: we used to hear the trucks rumble in every day. 743 00:37:28,600 --> 00:37:32,080 Speaker 4: I mean, these are big So anyway, my parents always 744 00:37:32,120 --> 00:37:35,319 Speaker 4: wanted me. They're a big dream for me was to 745 00:37:35,320 --> 00:37:37,840 Speaker 4: get a job at the UPS plan and be a teamster. 746 00:37:39,520 --> 00:37:42,640 Speaker 2: So you maybe did a little better, you know, And. 747 00:37:42,600 --> 00:37:45,160 Speaker 4: I'll tell you so I'm happy where I am and 748 00:37:45,239 --> 00:37:46,319 Speaker 4: I didn't have to go there. 749 00:37:46,600 --> 00:37:48,799 Speaker 2: Yeah. I love that. Well. 750 00:37:48,880 --> 00:37:51,120 Speaker 3: I love talking to you, Charlie. You've been such a 751 00:37:51,120 --> 00:37:55,239 Speaker 3: great guest, and here with your best tip for my 752 00:37:55,320 --> 00:37:57,440 Speaker 3: listeners on how they can improve their. 753 00:37:57,320 --> 00:38:00,800 Speaker 4: Lives stay in shape. 754 00:38:00,920 --> 00:38:01,919 Speaker 2: Does that involve the gym? 755 00:38:02,160 --> 00:38:04,759 Speaker 4: That involved the gym, and that means reading everything that 756 00:38:04,840 --> 00:38:07,239 Speaker 4: comes your way, including people you disagree with. 757 00:38:08,160 --> 00:38:09,239 Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a really good tip. 758 00:38:09,719 --> 00:38:12,399 Speaker 4: Will keep your mind. It gets you thinking, keep your 759 00:38:12,400 --> 00:38:16,360 Speaker 4: mind sharp, keep your body sharp, and just try to 760 00:38:16,360 --> 00:38:18,480 Speaker 4: be a good person. One thing I've always tried to 761 00:38:18,520 --> 00:38:21,280 Speaker 4: do was give back. Listen, I could be a prick. 762 00:38:21,760 --> 00:38:27,000 Speaker 4: You you you attack me, I'm ready to fight. You know. 763 00:38:27,360 --> 00:38:29,480 Speaker 4: I don't do that to women, but that's the sexist 764 00:38:29,480 --> 00:38:31,359 Speaker 4: in me. But if you're a guy and you get 765 00:38:31,400 --> 00:38:34,280 Speaker 4: my face, you know I'm ready. Don't get me wrong. 766 00:38:34,719 --> 00:38:37,799 Speaker 4: But one of the things that I've fulfilled me most 767 00:38:37,800 --> 00:38:39,959 Speaker 4: in life is that I've had a bunch of kids 768 00:38:40,000 --> 00:38:43,600 Speaker 4: that work for me, including my current producer, and they've 769 00:38:43,760 --> 00:38:46,960 Speaker 4: all done very well in journalism. You know, I got 770 00:38:46,960 --> 00:38:48,359 Speaker 4: a kid that used to work for me is at 771 00:38:48,440 --> 00:38:54,359 Speaker 4: CNBC doing well. Lydia Moynihan's at the Post's Ellie. My 772 00:38:54,520 --> 00:38:57,360 Speaker 4: current produced arrot is doing great. You know, I have 773 00:38:57,440 --> 00:39:00,160 Speaker 4: a bunch of them. They're all they're all you know, 774 00:39:00,440 --> 00:39:02,880 Speaker 4: they they you know. I gave back that way, and 775 00:39:02,960 --> 00:39:05,560 Speaker 4: I think that's very fulfilling. And I think doing that 776 00:39:05,800 --> 00:39:08,200 Speaker 4: it pays it pays it back when people need help. 777 00:39:08,200 --> 00:39:10,880 Speaker 4: For me, I try to be there, Yeah, try to 778 00:39:10,920 --> 00:39:14,600 Speaker 4: help kids that ask for help. You know, no charge, right, 779 00:39:14,800 --> 00:39:18,600 Speaker 4: you know, is my two cents. And I think being 780 00:39:18,680 --> 00:39:20,560 Speaker 4: a good person like that, trying to be a mentor 781 00:39:21,200 --> 00:39:23,840 Speaker 4: is like is you know, it comes back to you. 782 00:39:23,840 --> 00:39:27,839 Speaker 4: You know, there's a centrifical force that that the Good 783 00:39:27,880 --> 00:39:30,000 Speaker 4: Lord I think puts into place. You know, you do 784 00:39:30,120 --> 00:39:31,960 Speaker 4: get you do get back. You know, it comes back 785 00:39:32,000 --> 00:39:32,160 Speaker 4: to you. 786 00:39:33,120 --> 00:39:35,960 Speaker 2: I absolutely agree. He is Charlie Gasparino. 787 00:39:36,080 --> 00:39:38,359 Speaker 3: Catch him on Fox Business, read him in the New 788 00:39:38,440 --> 00:39:41,160 Speaker 3: York Post. Get his new book, Go Woke, Go Broke, 789 00:39:41,239 --> 00:39:44,640 Speaker 3: The inside story of the radicalization of Corporate America. 790 00:39:45,120 --> 00:39:47,040 Speaker 2: Thank you so much for coming on, Charlie. 791 00:39:46,800 --> 00:39:48,480 Speaker 4: Anytime, Carol, glad we could do this. 792 00:39:48,600 --> 00:39:51,239 Speaker 1: Thank you, thanks so much for joining us on the 793 00:39:51,280 --> 00:39:52,279 Speaker 1: Carol Marko Which show. 794 00:39:52,320 --> 00:39:54,560 Speaker 2: Subscribe wherever you get your podcasts.