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Speaker 1: Good morning, everybody, Happy Monday. We have an amazing show,

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Speaker 1: every buddy today.

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Speaker 4: When do we have Crystal? Indeed we do.

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Speaker 2: We've got a Taco alert from Trump this morning, and

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Speaker 2: as you know, we are Protaco on this show.

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Speaker 1: A Protaco.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: So Trump is trying to back down from some of

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Speaker 2: his threats against Iran. The Iranians, though, are disputing some

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Speaker 2: of the claims that he is making. There is a

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Speaker 2: lot to dig into there. Tree de Parsi is going

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Speaker 2: to join us to help to make sense of what

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Speaker 2: the hell is going on this morning at the same

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Speaker 2: time Lindsey Graham of course for a ground invasion and

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Speaker 2: making a jaw dropping comparison to what it could be like.

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Speaker 2: There have been dueling strikes near nuclear facilities that seems

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Speaker 2: like a troubling development. The US is rolling back sanctions

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Speaker 2: on Iranian oil as prices at.

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Speaker 4: The pump continue to go up.

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Speaker 2: BB claims Iran is targeting near al Oxa mosque in

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Speaker 2: a very ominous development there. And really excited to have

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Speaker 2: this morning. Lawrence Wilkerson joining us. I don't know if

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Speaker 2: you guys know who he is, but very very important

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Speaker 2: figure both currently but also throughout history. He was the

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Speaker 2: chief of staff to Secretary of State Colin Powell. He

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Speaker 2: So really looking forward to getting to speak with him.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, Wilkerson was like the Joe Kent really

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Speaker 3: you Rock, he came forward. I remember reading and listening

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Speaker 3: But with that, let's get to the taco.

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Speaker 2: I'm a little bit biased, but I thought your interview

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Speaker 2: was the best of the day.

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Speaker 1: It is very kind of you. I'm much harder on myself.

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Speaker 3: If one of our premiums had done it, I think

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Speaker 2: Was very important, I think worthy and I think you

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Speaker 1: Tried my best. Joe Will.

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Speaker 3: I believe he's going to be on the Sean Ryan

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Speaker 1: But yeah, taco, all.

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Speaker 2: Right, let's get to the taco. Let's put this up

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Speaker 2: on the screen. From Trump over on Truth Social he says,

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Speaker 2: I am pleased to report the United States of America

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Speaker 4: Based on the tenor and tone.

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Speaker 2: Of these in depth, detailed and constructive conversations which a

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Speaker 2: which will continue throughout the week, I have instructed the

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Speaker 2: and discussions. Thank you for your attention in this matter,

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Speaker 2: All right, let's go ahead and put a zero B

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Speaker 2: achieving Iran's goals from the war. Trump's statements represent a

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Speaker 2: Iran remains steadfast in all its declared positions. Iron's position

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Speaker 2: going to attack their electrical grid. This is war crime,

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Speaker 2: not that anyone apparently cares about such things, but it

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Speaker 2: But in any case that occurred, you then had Iran saying,

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Speaker 2: So mutual threats were made. The clock was ticking, and

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Speaker 2: now you have, oh and one more piece. Aron also said, hey,

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Speaker 2: Oil prices were going up, bond yields were going up.

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Speaker 3: Well, let's look at the timing of it. The timing

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Speaker 3: couple of things before we bring in the we bring

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Speaker 3: Their word Israel was not mentioned once in the entire

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Speaker 3: Trump Taco truth. Right, Israel may continue to do strikes.

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Speaker 3: We have no idea what bbing net and Yahoo and

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Speaker 3: Don't forget we're going to spend a significant time on

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Speaker 3: this on the show. They took a beating over the

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Speaker 3: last seventy two hours. Their interceptors are failing. Their nuclear

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Speaker 3: strikes where our nuclear facilities were struck. They had a

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Speaker 3: mass casualty event in southern Israel. Israel is not doing

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Speaker 3: most importantly, before we get to treat to Parsi, which

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Speaker 3: And I've spoken and now confirmed this with multiple security

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Speaker 3: anything is that the Ayatola made a grave mistake by

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Speaker 1: He was a very cautious, doddering old man. He's dead.

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Speaker 3: We killed him right with the Israelis, the new Ayatola

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Speaker 3: We are not going to engage in fake diplomacy after

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Speaker 3: I really don't know why the Iranians would agree to it.

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Speaker 1: I hope they do. I really do, for all of our.

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Speaker 3: Sakes, for their sakes, and for the world. I just

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Speaker 3: don't see the strategic logic. And this is where Robert

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Speaker 3: Papees and all of the escalation ladder analysis like, at

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Speaker 3: a certain point you're locked in a system of incentives

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Speaker 3: M I don't see how this can end yet.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: I mean that's the thing we've been flagging for a

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Speaker 2: while is that Trump probably wants to taco at this point.

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Speaker 2: He's probably looking for an off ramp, thinking like, I

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Speaker 2: don't know about this. The mid terms are coming up,

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Speaker 2: the gas versus are going up, this is not going great.

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Speaker 4: He thought this would be.

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Speaker 2: Over in forties, genuinely thought that the Iranian people would

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Speaker 4: That's what he was.

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Speaker 2: Telling our allies, and I do think that is what

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Speaker 1: All right, we have treat just Parsi standing by. What

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Speaker 2: All right, guys joining us now for more. We have

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Speaker 4: Great to see Atrita.

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Speaker 1: Good see you, sir, Good to see you as well.

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Speaker 4: This is the big news this morning.

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Speaker 2: A Taco or at least an attempt at taco Here

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Speaker 5: Look, this is a sign of someone who lost control

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Speaker 3: Doctor Parci, something you have hammered home here is that

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Speaker 3: no reason why that logic doesn't remain today. The Ayatola

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Speaker 1: But is that what it's actually going to take? What

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Speaker 5: I think that is what I will take. Look what

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Speaker 5: I find that also extremely unlikely to happen. The thing

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Speaker 5: And that's frankly, what I believe that Trump administration is

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's that's a great point. I also wanted to

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Speaker 2: We've got more marines being sent into the region. Thousands

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Speaker 5: It may very well be that that is his intent.

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Speaker 5: Obviously from their standpoint, it is crucial, absolutely imperative that

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Speaker 5: managed to prevent future attacks. Rather, it's going to be

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Speaker 5: two other things. One, they want this war to be

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Speaker 5: as costly as possible, so that it will simply be

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Speaker 5: absolutely clear to the US and to Israel that it

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Speaker 5: is not worth restarting this. So it was a mistake

445
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Speaker 5: starting it, it will be a mistake restarting it. That's

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Speaker 5: point number one. Point number two is that they need

447
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Speaker 5: that sanctions relief to rebuild themselves, and rebuilding themselves is

448
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Speaker 5: going to be essential in order to have the deterrence

449
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Speaker 5: against the US and Israel attacking again. If they don't

450
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Speaker 5: have sanctions relief after this war, it will be in

451
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Speaker 5: a state of continuous weakening. And it is precisely the

452
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Speaker 5: perception of them being weak that created this false window

453
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Speaker 5: of opportunity to attack youron. So unless they get the

454
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Speaker 5: sanctions relief so they can actually rebuild themselves and have

455
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Speaker 5: a deterrence, they believe they will be attacked again. So

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Speaker 5: I don't see them backing down from the point of

457
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Speaker 5: asking for sanctions relief. It's not just because of economic reasons.

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Speaker 5: It is because it is part of the thing that

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Speaker 5: gives a non aggression pack some actual basis and meat

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Speaker 5: to it. And as a result, I just don't see

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Speaker 5: them backing down from that point unless they lose their

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Speaker 5: blood bage.

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Speaker 1: The other problems.

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Speaker 3: We have not talked about Israel once in this entire equation,

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Speaker 3: and there are a huge you know, they precipitate much

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Speaker 3: of the violence that's actually even been happening, some of

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Speaker 3: the most egregious strikes. So how can the Iranians, frankly,

468
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Speaker 3: how can even the Americans at this point the people

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Speaker 3: have any faith that our government would restrain belligerent Israeli

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Speaker 3: action in any sort of a deal. Like, if you're Iran,

471
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Speaker 3: you don't just have to worry about the United States

472
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Speaker 3: bombing you, you have to worry about Israel. And for example,

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Speaker 3: we have a list of some of the demands that

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Speaker 3: we're circulating this weekend. Can we put what is it

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Speaker 3: A seven, please up on the screen? So these are

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Speaker 3: some of the demands that were going around this weekend

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Speaker 3: of what some Iranian commitments. They would have to agree

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Speaker 3: to no missile program for five years.

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Speaker 1: I mean that alone. Imagine you're in a war and.

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Speaker 3: Somebody says, hey, to end the war, you have to

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Speaker 3: give up all your bullets for five years, Like, well,

482
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Speaker 3: maybe I'd be better off just firing all my bullets.

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Speaker 3: Number two zero uranium enrichment, decommissioning of nuclear reactors, arms

484
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Speaker 3: control treaties with regional countries, no financing for regional proxies,

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Speaker 3: strict outside observation protocols around the creation and use of

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Speaker 3: a centerfuge. Notably, no word of sanctions relief. I mean,

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Speaker 3: do you see any world where this country, whose only

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Speaker 3: reasonable deterrent is missiles, would be even willing to give

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Speaker 3: up their missiles for five years?

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Speaker 1: What can we possibly give.

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Speaker 5: Them to do that? This is absolutely not going to

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Speaker 5: take place. And that is the intents behind these demands.

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Speaker 5: I suspect that they actually originally come from israel Is

494
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Speaker 5: to make sure that there is no deal. Just as

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Speaker 5: much as zero and richment and all of those different

496
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Speaker 5: demands coming from the Israelis side, we're designed to make

497
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Speaker 5: sure that they sawbotage Trump's previous diplomacy and guaranteed war.

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Speaker 5: This is a list of demands, at least the first

499
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Speaker 5: three points that are designed to make sure that there

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Speaker 5: will be no ceasefire, there will be no end to

501
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Speaker 5: the war, and these Raelis get what they're looking for,

502
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Speaker 5: which is as prolonged war as possible in order to

503
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Speaker 5: completely eliminate and destroy Iran's industrial base, to ensure that

504
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Speaker 5: the balance of powerships dramatically in Israel's direction, and that

505
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Speaker 5: Israel will not have to worry about Iran ever. Posing

506
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Speaker 5: a challenge to Israel's designs for hegemony for the next

507
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Speaker 5: three to four decades, and to have that achieved, regardless

508
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Speaker 5: of what the cost is to the global economy, to

509
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Speaker 5: the energy markets, to regional stability, and to Trump's presidency.

510
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Speaker 5: That is the Israeli goal, and they will achieve that

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Speaker 5: by putting forward demands that are completely nonstarters.

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Speaker 2: I just wanted to ask you directly about this. So

513
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Speaker 2: there's obviously two complaining, two competing claims here.

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Speaker 4: This morning.

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Speaker 2: Trump is saying, oh, these talks are ongoing and they're

516
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Speaker 2: very constructive, and the Ranis are saying, we have no

517
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Speaker 2: idea what you're talking about.

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Speaker 4: There are no talks. We don't want any talks.

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Speaker 2: You know, do you have any insight or what would

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Speaker 2: be your instinct of who is telling the truth there?

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Speaker 4: In that exchange, I.

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Speaker 5: Know in previous instances in which the administration said that

523
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Speaker 5: there were no talks and the other that there were

524
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Speaker 5: talks in the Iranians said that there were no talks, that

525
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Speaker 5: the administration was not being truthful there, that there were

526
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Speaker 5: actually no Now, the administration may have sent messages, they

527
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Speaker 5: never got any responses. They may define talks as them talking,

528
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Speaker 5: but reality is that they are no responses from the

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Speaker 5: Iranian side. And I don't believe that there have been

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Speaker 5: any responses on this in this specific instance either. But

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Speaker 5: I want to go back to what I said earlier on.

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Speaker 5: I do worry, however, that the Iranians may also at

533
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Speaker 5: some point overplay their hands and not recognize the moment

534
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Speaker 5: in which they need to cash in on whatever leverage

535
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Speaker 5: they think they have in order to try to get

536
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Speaker 5: to some sort of deal. I think it's very very

537
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Speaker 5: important to understand one thing. Neither side can pursue the

538
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Speaker 5: humiliation of the other in this situation. If they do,

539
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Speaker 5: they're just digging themselves deeper in a hole. Both sides

540
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Speaker 5: need to be able to construct some sort of a

541
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Speaker 5: narrative that allows them to this war in that sense,

542
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Speaker 5: however unlikely or you know, frankly lunacy. It may sound

543
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Speaker 5: when I say this, but Iran and the United States

544
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Speaker 5: are in some ways in the same boat. It will

545
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Speaker 5: either sync together or they will roll to shore together

546
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Speaker 5: and pursuing some sort of humiliation of the other side,

547
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Speaker 5: which was exactly what the US did in the beginning

548
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Speaker 5: of this war and saw the surrendery round was a

549
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Speaker 5: huge mistake. It will be a mistake if the Vanians

550
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Speaker 5: do the same thing. And I want to just say

551
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Speaker 5: one thing. Remember that Ivanians humiliated the United States forty

552
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Speaker 5: seven years ago with a hostage crisis. That was a

553
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Speaker 5: huge mistake. It led to forty seven years of sanctions, tensions,

554
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Speaker 5: and eventually war. It would be a huge, huge mistake

555
00:26:42,320 --> 00:26:45,520
Speaker 5: at this point if they also overplay their hand and

556
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Speaker 5: don't recognize the right moment to go to the table,

557
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Speaker 5: but to negotiate an actual good deal, not one of

558
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Speaker 5: these things that are just aimed at, you know, calming

559
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Speaker 5: down the markets and prepare the grounds for the next

560
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Speaker 5: attack during the next week or.

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Speaker 6: Something like that.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, that's why it's so difficult to see

563
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Speaker 2: how you reach that goldilocks moment where the US is

564
00:27:08,240 --> 00:27:11,960
Speaker 2: not completely humiliated, Ron is not completely but we're both sides. Basically,

565
00:27:12,000 --> 00:27:15,800
Speaker 2: hearing declared mission accomplished in some way, because I have

566
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Speaker 2: to imagine the Iranians don't feel that they've come close

567
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Speaker 2: to exacting enough pain to serve as a deterrence, and

568
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Speaker 2: yet they if they do that, then how is Trump

569
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Speaker 2: going to convince a public that is already really opposed

570
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Speaker 2: to this war that this was, you know, a grand

571
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Speaker 2: adventure and that he came.

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Speaker 4: Out on top.

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Speaker 5: And add one other element to it, which is, even

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Speaker 5: if you find a moment that looks right, you have

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Speaker 5: to recognize that these talks are not going to be

576
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Speaker 5: like the sixteen hour talks that it took or so

577
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Speaker 5: to get to the ceasefire in June, because that was

578
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Speaker 5: an unconditional ceasefire. This is going to be more complex.

579
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Speaker 5: So the actual more time that that diplomacy may require

580
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Speaker 5: maybe ten to fourteen days in the best case scenario,

581
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Speaker 5: and during that period the Goldilocks moment may be lost.

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Speaker 3: Totally agree, sir, as always, thank you so much for

583
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Speaker 3: your analysis.

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Speaker 7: Thank you.

585
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Speaker 1: Trying to feel better. I'm not sure I feel better,

586
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Speaker 1: but but what's always better?

587
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Speaker 5: No one has said that after speaking to me.

588
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Speaker 1: Thank you, sir, Thanks, thank you.

589
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Speaker 3: Meanwhile, while we're on Taco Watch, we have to continue,

590
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Speaker 3: of course, to pay attention to the thousands of US

591
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Speaker 3: ground troops that continue to move to the Middle East.

592
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Speaker 3: And we have Lindsay Graham trying to set expectations for

593
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Speaker 3: everybody here, taking to Fox News Sunday and saying, not

594
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Speaker 3: only should the United States take carg Island, but comparing

595
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Speaker 3: it to the Battle of Ewo Jima.

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Speaker 7: Let's take a listen, here's what I tell you, President Trump,

597
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Speaker 7: keep it up for a few more weeks. Take carg Island,

598
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Speaker 7: where all of the resources they have to Britus all

599
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Speaker 7: control that island.

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Speaker 6: Let this regime down, avine.

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Speaker 8: Is this going to though, take carg Island? Is it

602
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Speaker 8: going to involve US troops on the ground. Let me

603
00:28:52,320 --> 00:28:53,920
Speaker 8: let me just read you something from the Atlantic does

604
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Speaker 8: an assessment on that. They say US troops may well

605
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Speaker 8: take carg Island. We believe their ability to do so,

606
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Speaker 8: but only to endure ballistic missile strikes, drone attacks, petrochemical smoke,

607
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Speaker 8: all without a reliable means of obtaining logistical support. The

608
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Speaker 8: result could be a grinding war of attrition. They talk

609
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Speaker 8: about how far away they would be from recently.

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Speaker 9: I'm sort of tired of all this armchair quarterback and

611
00:29:14,880 --> 00:29:16,960
Speaker 9: this has been amazing military operation.

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Speaker 6: God bless the fallen.

613
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Speaker 4: But it's a difference.

614
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Speaker 6: Let me talk about troops on the I trust the Marines,

615
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Speaker 6: not that guy.

616
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Speaker 9: I trust DoD We got two marine expeditionary units selling

617
00:29:28,720 --> 00:29:29,480
Speaker 9: to this island.

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Speaker 6: We did Eojima. We can do this.

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Speaker 1: We did Eojima. We can do this.

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Speaker 3: Anybody want to tell me the casualties on Eogma. We

621
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Speaker 3: got about seven thousand killed and nineteen thousand wounded. Was

622
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Speaker 3: that a Is that the similar stakes that are involved

623
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Speaker 3: here in the middle of this expeditionary you know, adventure

624
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Speaker 3: chosen excursion.

625
00:29:52,120 --> 00:29:54,960
Speaker 1: Yes, not even award, it's an excursion. That's what Eojima.

626
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Speaker 3: I mean, it's speak flu I think this is the

627
00:29:57,080 --> 00:30:02,680
Speaker 3: perfect clip to show you how these individual Marines are

628
00:30:02,880 --> 00:30:06,240
Speaker 3: just ponds on a chess board to people in Washington,

629
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Speaker 3: that they use the mythology of the heroism of the

630
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Speaker 3: past to whitewash all of the ways in the post

631
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Speaker 3: World War two era, that their lives have just been

632
00:30:16,400 --> 00:30:21,360
Speaker 3: carelessly thrown into these wars of choice and adventurism, which

633
00:30:21,600 --> 00:30:24,880
Speaker 3: accomplished nothing to the benefit of the United States has

634
00:30:24,920 --> 00:30:28,160
Speaker 3: bled us dry blood and treasure. And meanwhile, the individual

635
00:30:28,160 --> 00:30:31,000
Speaker 3: families who either lost somebody or have somebody wounded, or

636
00:30:31,040 --> 00:30:34,160
Speaker 3: whose family member was affected by PTSD, they have to

637
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Speaker 3: deal with the records.

638
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Speaker 1: That's why this bothers me so much.

639
00:30:36,800 --> 00:30:40,960
Speaker 3: Like this Bravo, bravado chess stumping, Each one of those

640
00:30:40,960 --> 00:30:44,360
Speaker 3: individual lives who was lost on Ewojima is not fodder

641
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Speaker 3: for you to claim some of their glory in order

642
00:30:48,080 --> 00:30:51,840
Speaker 3: to advance your regime change war of choice, which has

643
00:30:51,920 --> 00:30:55,200
Speaker 3: now been a total and complete disaster. And I think

644
00:30:55,440 --> 00:30:58,880
Speaker 3: it demonstrates how all of these service members have been

645
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Speaker 3: treated now team killed, the two hundred three hundred who

646
00:31:02,440 --> 00:31:05,080
Speaker 3: knows how many who have been wounded now so far,

647
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Speaker 3: the thousands that are already just being moved into the

648
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Speaker 3: region for some sort of potential operation.

649
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Speaker 1: But that is what that's.

650
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Speaker 3: What they're now trying to prepare the American public for.

651
00:31:16,040 --> 00:31:17,360
Speaker 3: And also, by the way, I should say this, you know,

652
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Speaker 3: Ewojima had a huge backlash here in the United States.

653
00:31:21,080 --> 00:31:23,560
Speaker 3: A lot of people don't remember that time period after

654
00:31:24,080 --> 00:31:26,680
Speaker 3: there was after clearly the war in Europe is either

655
00:31:26,680 --> 00:31:28,680
Speaker 3: winding down or you know, there had been the armisist

656
00:31:28,760 --> 00:31:32,040
Speaker 3: or whatever been signed. Well, the American public started asking

657
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Speaker 3: some serious questions.

658
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Speaker 1: They're like, wait, why are.

659
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Speaker 3: We taking tens of thousands of casualties out here? Like

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Speaker 3: we need to wrap this up very quickly. And the

661
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Speaker 3: Pentagon or I guess the War Department or whatever at

662
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Speaker 3: that time was having a lot of conversations, how do

663
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Speaker 3: we prepare the public for an.

664
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Speaker 1: Ground invasion of Japan?

665
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Speaker 3: So like, even in the conflict with the most bought

666
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Speaker 3: in US public, whenever we were taking these level of casualties.

667
00:31:51,360 --> 00:31:52,160
Speaker 6: They're like, whoa.

668
00:31:52,200 --> 00:31:53,760
Speaker 3: They're like, we need to hold on. They're like, what's

669
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Speaker 3: going on here? Are we sure this is necessary?

670
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Speaker 1: Yeah?

671
00:31:56,040 --> 00:31:57,959
Speaker 3: You know, the atomic bomb ends up happening, and so

672
00:31:58,000 --> 00:32:01,800
Speaker 3: everybody conveniently forgets EOG casualties and Okinawa.

673
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Speaker 1: But it was not like that domestically.

674
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Speaker 3: Yeah and so, and that again was a war where

675
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Speaker 3: probably ninety percent of.

676
00:32:07,800 --> 00:32:10,200
Speaker 1: The public really on board, bought in on that war.

677
00:32:10,320 --> 00:32:14,080
Speaker 3: And he wants to try and recreate this disastrous type

678
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Speaker 3: of circumstance. We talked with Professor Pape about the parallels

679
00:32:17,920 --> 00:32:19,880
Speaker 3: carg Island or the Straits of Her Moves, and we're

680
00:32:19,880 --> 00:32:23,040
Speaker 3: talking about Gallipoli. These are like global changing events. The

681
00:32:23,080 --> 00:32:26,920
Speaker 3: Aussies still remember Gallipoli. I mean, you know, like one

682
00:32:26,920 --> 00:32:28,280
Speaker 3: of my tour guys when I did a World War

683
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Speaker 3: One battle field tour, like the one hundred years later,

684
00:32:31,080 --> 00:32:34,480
Speaker 3: the descendants still come to Gallipoli to see what their

685
00:32:34,520 --> 00:32:37,000
Speaker 3: great great grandfathers had to go through.

686
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Speaker 1: I don't think we should be going about that.

687
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Speaker 3: I think we should do everything in our power to

688
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Speaker 3: avoid some sort of a nightmarish situation. And this is

689
00:32:44,240 --> 00:32:47,000
Speaker 3: this is the problem is that they're so they're so

690
00:32:47,120 --> 00:32:49,680
Speaker 3: caught into this mythost Everything is always World War two.

691
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Speaker 1: That's why what do they say about the Iranians? What

692
00:32:51,320 --> 00:32:52,160
Speaker 1: is mark living in the Oh?

693
00:32:52,160 --> 00:32:55,760
Speaker 3: They're Nazis, right, everybody's always a Nazi. It's always nineteen

694
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Speaker 3: thirty eight. It's always either Munich and our enemies are

695
00:32:58,040 --> 00:33:01,000
Speaker 3: always Nazis. There's no you know in between. That's the

696
00:33:01,000 --> 00:33:03,280
Speaker 3: only conflict that you're ever allowed to talk about.

697
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Speaker 2: Reminds me which Iranian official was it that posted on

698
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Speaker 2: Lehn like Americans remember well when General Westmoreland came and

699
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Speaker 2: that things were going.

700
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Speaker 1: Was a rochi?

701
00:33:12,680 --> 00:33:15,960
Speaker 3: The Foreign Minister said, Americans, remember well, General Westmoreland.

702
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Speaker 1: I'm like, Sir I.

703
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Speaker 2: US.

704
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Speaker 4: I'm sorry to say, sir.

705
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Speaker 1: Sir, I wish that were the case.

706
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Speaker 3: A lot more Americans should know General Westmoreland's name. One

707
00:33:26,040 --> 00:33:28,160
Speaker 3: of those villainous military figures in US history.

708
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Speaker 2: There's a handful of historical events that you could count

709
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Speaker 2: on maybe most Americans were remembering or having learned about.

710
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Speaker 4: That's that's definitely not one of them.

711
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Speaker 3: They don't make saving Private Ryan movies about General Westmoreland. Again,

712
00:33:39,960 --> 00:33:42,600
Speaker 3: literally one of the biggest liars in US military, the

713
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Speaker 3: most villainous military.

714
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Speaker 2: Yeah, we like to sweep that one under. Those don't

715
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Speaker 2: get approved by the Pentagon, you know. Script to people

716
00:33:48,880 --> 00:33:51,400
Speaker 2: who look at the scripts for Hollywood. Yeah, I mean,

717
00:33:51,520 --> 00:33:53,680
Speaker 2: this is sick and it's disgusting, and it's also really

718
00:33:53,720 --> 00:33:58,000
Speaker 2: important because this is not just some senator unfortunately. This

719
00:33:58,080 --> 00:34:01,760
Speaker 2: is a guy who was extremely influential in bringing us

720
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Speaker 2: to this point of four. There was a I believe

721
00:34:04,120 --> 00:34:07,320
Speaker 2: Bloomberg did some digging into, like how the hell did

722
00:34:07,360 --> 00:34:09,360
Speaker 2: this happen? And you know, all the Mark Levin's of

723
00:34:09,400 --> 00:34:12,040
Speaker 2: the world. The Ted Cruz came out and also said

724
00:34:12,080 --> 00:34:13,800
Speaker 2: he was really pushing in this direction. I don't know

725
00:34:13,840 --> 00:34:15,960
Speaker 2: if that's true or not. How influential. He was, but

726
00:34:16,040 --> 00:34:17,920
Speaker 2: he's like wanting to take credit for this right now

727
00:34:17,920 --> 00:34:21,160
Speaker 2: for some reason. So you had a handful of voices,

728
00:34:21,200 --> 00:34:23,839
Speaker 2: you know here in the US, and then obviously the

729
00:34:23,880 --> 00:34:27,919
Speaker 2: israelis very influential as well. You had these media personalities too,

730
00:34:28,360 --> 00:34:30,239
Speaker 2: and then you know, he had Trump high in his

731
00:34:30,280 --> 00:34:33,320
Speaker 2: own supply after Venezuela, and all those things came together

732
00:34:33,480 --> 00:34:37,480
Speaker 2: to create this horrific, horrific set of circumstances. So when

733
00:34:37,520 --> 00:34:39,759
Speaker 2: Lindsey Graham is out there talking, you know, he's saying

734
00:34:39,800 --> 00:34:42,080
Speaker 2: these things directly to the president. The other thing that

735
00:34:42,120 --> 00:34:44,399
Speaker 2: I'll say about, you know, the whole setup there is

736
00:34:44,480 --> 00:34:47,520
Speaker 2: he's dismissing this analysis of like, oh, this is going

737
00:34:47,560 --> 00:34:49,239
Speaker 2: to be really bad, and he's like, I don't trust that.

738
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Speaker 2: I trust the Marines well, and I trust the military.

739
00:34:52,120 --> 00:34:54,440
Speaker 2: It's like, well, the military the ones that tried to

740
00:34:54,440 --> 00:34:55,160
Speaker 2: tell Trump that.

741
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Speaker 4: This was going to be a disaster.

742
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Speaker 2: You know, I don't know how forcefully it was done,

743
00:34:58,400 --> 00:35:01,279
Speaker 2: but they had wargained this down you know, years ago,

744
00:35:01,719 --> 00:35:04,160
Speaker 2: especially the straight or foremost part, and we're like, this

745
00:35:04,200 --> 00:35:06,919
Speaker 2: is not going to go well for us. They saw

746
00:35:06,960 --> 00:35:09,759
Speaker 2: all of the peril on the horizon. But he thought

747
00:35:09,800 --> 00:35:12,759
Speaker 2: he knew better and wanted to listen to Israeli intelligence

748
00:35:12,880 --> 00:35:16,680
Speaker 2: instead of US intelligence, wanted to listen to Israeli war

749
00:35:16,719 --> 00:35:19,600
Speaker 2: planners instead of US war planners, And now here we are.

750
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Speaker 2: The other thing I've been thinking a lot about soccer

751
00:35:21,840 --> 00:35:25,280
Speaker 2: is you know, I really was resistant to this idea

752
00:35:25,320 --> 00:35:27,520
Speaker 2: that you had of like we should actually have age limits.

753
00:35:27,520 --> 00:35:29,759
Speaker 4: But I am coming around to it, because when you

754
00:35:29,880 --> 00:35:30,560
Speaker 4: have these.

755
00:35:30,560 --> 00:35:34,600
Speaker 2: Old men, childless, old men who not just childless, like

756
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Speaker 2: Trump is not childless. I'm talking about Bibe, I'm talking

757
00:35:36,920 --> 00:35:38,560
Speaker 2: about Trump, I'm talking about the now the you know,

758
00:35:38,640 --> 00:35:40,840
Speaker 2: martyred Iatola, I'm talking about Lindsay Graham.

759
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Speaker 4: They don't have to.

760
00:35:42,719 --> 00:35:45,960
Speaker 2: Live in the world that they're authoring, and they're thinking

761
00:35:46,000 --> 00:35:48,040
Speaker 2: about I mean, Trump talks all the time about whether

762
00:35:48,080 --> 00:35:49,720
Speaker 2: he's going to get into heaven or not. Like clearly

763
00:35:49,760 --> 00:35:52,520
Speaker 2: he's thinking about his own mortality. I think Bebe is too,

764
00:35:52,760 --> 00:35:56,000
Speaker 2: not Yahoo is too. And so they're willing to take

765
00:35:56,080 --> 00:35:59,920
Speaker 2: extraordinary risks with the entire world because they're major concern

766
00:36:00,080 --> 00:36:02,520
Speaker 2: and is like, I want to be viewed as this

767
00:36:02,920 --> 00:36:06,719
Speaker 2: great man of history, as this historical figure. And I

768
00:36:06,800 --> 00:36:08,960
Speaker 2: really think in Trump's case, I'm not sure he cares

769
00:36:09,000 --> 00:36:11,600
Speaker 2: whether it's like for good or for evil. He just

770
00:36:11,600 --> 00:36:13,799
Speaker 2: wants to be remembered. He wants to leave his mark

771
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Speaker 2: on the world, and he really doesn't have to give

772
00:36:16,120 --> 00:36:17,839
Speaker 2: a shit what's going to come after, because this man

773
00:36:17,920 --> 00:36:19,160
Speaker 2: is not going to be on this planet for that

774
00:36:19,280 --> 00:36:23,040
Speaker 2: much longer. It creates grave dangers, It creates a risk

775
00:36:23,120 --> 00:36:26,520
Speaker 2: landscape that is truly, truly unacceptable for all of the

776
00:36:26,560 --> 00:36:29,040
Speaker 2: rest of us. So I do genuinely think it is

777
00:36:29,320 --> 00:36:33,120
Speaker 2: a massive problem the way these old men are thinking

778
00:36:33,160 --> 00:36:35,880
Speaker 2: about their legacy and how they want to leave their mark,

779
00:36:36,320 --> 00:36:38,879
Speaker 2: versus like, how do I make sure that we are

780
00:36:39,200 --> 00:36:42,000
Speaker 2: considering risks appropriately and not ending up in some sort

781
00:36:42,000 --> 00:36:43,320
Speaker 2: of an insane nuclear escalation.

782
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Speaker 1: There's a lot to be said.

783
00:36:44,080 --> 00:36:45,880
Speaker 3: When we were talking with the treat to Parsi, he

784
00:36:45,960 --> 00:36:48,000
Speaker 3: was talking he is I mean, you could tell he

785
00:36:48,160 --> 00:36:50,680
Speaker 3: is very concerned that the Iranians will make a similar

786
00:36:50,760 --> 00:36:53,680
Speaker 3: mistake to the US, and that we will not try

787
00:36:53,920 --> 00:36:56,879
Speaker 3: for some de escalation, that they will not seize their

788
00:36:56,920 --> 00:36:59,959
Speaker 3: moment which will lead to their inevitable destruction. To your point,

789
00:37:00,400 --> 00:37:02,800
Speaker 3: I don't think it's an accident that the youngest president

790
00:37:02,800 --> 00:37:05,640
Speaker 3: in American history is the person who got us onto

791
00:37:05,680 --> 00:37:08,719
Speaker 3: a diplomatic off ramp which basically didn't exist during the

792
00:37:08,760 --> 00:37:11,680
Speaker 3: Cuban Missile crisis. And you know, sorry for the history lecture,

793
00:37:11,680 --> 00:37:14,360
Speaker 3: but like it is important to think this was a person.

794
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Speaker 1: Who literally broke his back on pt.

795
00:37:16,080 --> 00:37:18,600
Speaker 3: One oh nine and had to swim in the ocean

796
00:37:18,920 --> 00:37:21,680
Speaker 3: carrying a wounded man, you know, who his life jackets

797
00:37:21,680 --> 00:37:23,960
Speaker 3: strap in his teeth to try and save him. Now,

798
00:37:23,960 --> 00:37:25,239
Speaker 3: it was kind of his fault in the first place,

799
00:37:25,280 --> 00:37:28,520
Speaker 3: but whatever, The point that remains is that while he's

800
00:37:28,520 --> 00:37:31,480
Speaker 3: in the situation room, he was a guy who at

801
00:37:31,480 --> 00:37:33,200
Speaker 3: that time was you know, a low level I think

802
00:37:33,200 --> 00:37:35,279
Speaker 3: he was like a lieutenant and he's sitting across from

803
00:37:35,320 --> 00:37:38,239
Speaker 3: these generals who successfully fought in the Second World War,

804
00:37:38,280 --> 00:37:40,640
Speaker 3: and he's like, they don't understand the stakes of like

805
00:37:40,680 --> 00:37:43,680
Speaker 3: what it actually means to fight and to die in combat.

806
00:37:43,920 --> 00:37:46,480
Speaker 3: And so for him it was so important to seek

807
00:37:46,520 --> 00:37:48,759
Speaker 3: that diplomatic off ramp and to at least gamble and

808
00:37:48,800 --> 00:37:51,680
Speaker 3: to try in the Cuban Missile crisis. The famous responding

809
00:37:51,680 --> 00:37:54,280
Speaker 3: to the first letter, not the second letter, and agreeing

810
00:37:54,360 --> 00:37:58,000
Speaker 3: to some things which were anathema to the US security establishment,

811
00:37:58,040 --> 00:38:01,080
Speaker 3: the removal of Jupiter missiles from Turkey. That is the

812
00:38:01,120 --> 00:38:03,759
Speaker 3: most courageous act I think in the history of the

813
00:38:03,800 --> 00:38:06,959
Speaker 3: American presidency had saved the world from armageddon. I don't

814
00:38:06,960 --> 00:38:08,600
Speaker 3: really think it's an accident that you had a very

815
00:38:08,680 --> 00:38:11,720
Speaker 3: young person who is willing to reject the sixty seventy

816
00:38:11,800 --> 00:38:14,839
Speaker 3: year old security establishment of the people who are around him.

817
00:38:14,880 --> 00:38:17,320
Speaker 3: And you can see now very clearly as it's repeated

818
00:38:17,360 --> 00:38:18,560
Speaker 3: now all throughout history.

819
00:38:18,640 --> 00:38:19,799
Speaker 1: Yes, these older.

820
00:38:19,520 --> 00:38:22,600
Speaker 3: Men, people like Lindsay Graham, people who are like Lindsay

821
00:38:22,760 --> 00:38:25,279
Speaker 3: wants his legacy to be total regime change in the

822
00:38:25,320 --> 00:38:27,640
Speaker 3: Middle East. He has no children and he's in his seventies,

823
00:38:27,680 --> 00:38:29,520
Speaker 3: like this is it for him. He wants a Senate

824
00:38:29,560 --> 00:38:33,000
Speaker 3: building named after him. There by the way, unfortunately the

825
00:38:33,040 --> 00:38:36,480
Speaker 3: Senate buildings, two of them, Rayburn and Russell, are named

826
00:38:36,560 --> 00:38:40,880
Speaker 3: after childless old men who their entire life was you know,

827
00:38:41,000 --> 00:38:44,200
Speaker 3: the Senate. And that's fine, but like, of course, they

828
00:38:44,200 --> 00:38:46,239
Speaker 3: didn't have anything to live for. They didn't have to

829
00:38:46,280 --> 00:38:48,520
Speaker 3: live necessarily in the world of their making and of

830
00:38:48,560 --> 00:38:49,320
Speaker 3: their consequence.

831
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Speaker 1: Like this is really important to the ayah Toola as well.

832
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Speaker 3: He's eighty six whenever he was killed, you know, And yeah,

833
00:38:56,880 --> 00:38:57,120
Speaker 3: I mean.

834
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Speaker 4: Jesus, oh, the a one of all of them, he

835
00:38:58,440 --> 00:38:59,319
Speaker 4: showed a lot more caution.

836
00:38:59,480 --> 00:39:02,040
Speaker 2: He showed a lot, and then his younger replacement is

837
00:39:02,160 --> 00:39:05,040
Speaker 2: likely to not follow in those his caution.

838
00:39:05,200 --> 00:39:07,440
Speaker 3: He was too cautious to start a war and not

839
00:39:07,520 --> 00:39:08,799
Speaker 3: cautious enough to avoid one.

840
00:39:08,800 --> 00:39:10,640
Speaker 1: I actually think he was the worst of all words.

841
00:39:11,120 --> 00:39:12,839
Speaker 3: I mean, with old people, what do they do their

842
00:39:12,920 --> 00:39:15,600
Speaker 3: daughter and they're in you know, they're indecisive, And I

843
00:39:15,600 --> 00:39:19,000
Speaker 3: think that's really Ultimately, I really don't think he's very blameless.

844
00:39:19,000 --> 00:39:21,680
Speaker 1: I think he really made a lot of mistakes.

845
00:39:21,560 --> 00:39:24,560
Speaker 2: Especially while I special they should have pursued a nuclear

846
00:39:24,640 --> 00:39:26,560
Speaker 2: offenses right now.

847
00:39:26,600 --> 00:39:27,840
Speaker 4: I mean, that's the reality is.

848
00:39:28,320 --> 00:39:30,239
Speaker 2: And as much as I hate to say that because I,

849
00:39:30,360 --> 00:39:32,200
Speaker 2: you know, I bore nuclear weapons, I would love for

850
00:39:32,280 --> 00:39:35,200
Speaker 2: proliferations to be rolled back, that's just not the reality

851
00:39:35,200 --> 00:39:35,960
Speaker 2: we live in right now.

852
00:39:36,000 --> 00:39:36,440
Speaker 1: Exactly.

853
00:39:36,840 --> 00:39:38,640
Speaker 3: Last thing I do want to show everybody too, is

854
00:39:38,680 --> 00:39:42,759
Speaker 3: that before the Taco it's not like the American establishment

855
00:39:42,880 --> 00:39:46,239
Speaker 3: wasn't sounding very very bellicos let's put a nine here.

856
00:39:46,760 --> 00:39:49,520
Speaker 3: Secretary of Scott Besson, who is somehow the war defender,

857
00:39:49,600 --> 00:39:52,520
Speaker 3: on television this weekend saying, sometimes you got to escalate

858
00:39:52,560 --> 00:39:53,200
Speaker 3: to de escalate.

859
00:39:53,239 --> 00:39:56,680
Speaker 10: Take a listen, we are taking out their missiles, their

860
00:39:56,719 --> 00:40:00,279
Speaker 10: missile systems, and the factories that build those missiles. And

861
00:40:00,320 --> 00:40:05,520
Speaker 10: now are the General Kane, Secretary Headseith are leading a

862
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Speaker 10: campaign to destroy all the fortifications along the Straits of Formost.

863
00:40:10,360 --> 00:40:11,960
Speaker 8: Just to put a fine point on this though, is

864
00:40:12,000 --> 00:40:14,399
Speaker 8: the President in the process of winding down this war

865
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Speaker 8: or escalator.

866
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Speaker 10: Again, they're not mutually exclusive. Sometimes you have to escalate

867
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Speaker 10: to de escalate.

868
00:40:20,760 --> 00:40:23,680
Speaker 3: Crow sometimes you got to escalate to de escalate. Do

869
00:40:23,760 --> 00:40:26,160
Speaker 3: not forget, as they covered on the Friday show A ten.

870
00:40:26,239 --> 00:40:28,799
Speaker 3: Put that up there on the screen that you just

871
00:40:28,960 --> 00:40:32,719
Speaker 3: had American officials telling their counterparts in Israel there may

872
00:40:32,760 --> 00:40:36,440
Speaker 3: be no choice in order to launch a ground operation

873
00:40:36,600 --> 00:40:40,480
Speaker 3: to capture carg Island. There could be various other schemes

874
00:40:40,480 --> 00:40:43,920
Speaker 3: and plots that are afoot. There's another twenty five hundred marines,

875
00:40:44,000 --> 00:40:45,759
Speaker 3: let's put that one up there on the screen that

876
00:40:45,800 --> 00:40:47,440
Speaker 3: are currently on their way. They're not even going to

877
00:40:47,560 --> 00:40:50,479
Speaker 3: arrive for three weeks, so don't you know this really

878
00:40:50,520 --> 00:40:53,000
Speaker 3: could be a delaying action. You've got two of these

879
00:40:53,000 --> 00:40:56,400
Speaker 3: marine expeditionary forces that are on their way to the

880
00:40:56,440 --> 00:40:58,560
Speaker 3: Middle East. The one that's coming from Asia. They said

881
00:40:58,560 --> 00:40:59,879
Speaker 3: it would take two to three weeks. That was about

882
00:40:59,880 --> 00:41:02,200
Speaker 3: a week ago, so it's still on track. And this one,

883
00:41:02,239 --> 00:41:04,640
Speaker 3: I think also has to sail from the west coast

884
00:41:04,719 --> 00:41:07,000
Speaker 3: all the way to the Persian Gulf, which is going

885
00:41:07,040 --> 00:41:08,640
Speaker 3: to take a little while. So we are in no

886
00:41:08,760 --> 00:41:11,040
Speaker 3: way out of the woods here just yet. I want

887
00:41:11,080 --> 00:41:13,440
Speaker 3: to make sure that we take that with the greatest alt.

888
00:41:13,440 --> 00:41:19,080
Speaker 3: All right, let's get onto the nuclear section. Turning now

889
00:41:19,200 --> 00:41:23,000
Speaker 3: to some very troubling escalatory things that were happening before

890
00:41:23,080 --> 00:41:25,520
Speaker 3: the so called Trump Taco. Again, let's not forget that

891
00:41:25,560 --> 00:41:27,719
Speaker 3: it may not be a real taco. Let's start with

892
00:41:27,800 --> 00:41:30,480
Speaker 3: B one. Let's put this up here on the screen.

893
00:41:30,560 --> 00:41:35,480
Speaker 3: A very strange situation with a alleged strike on Diego Garcia,

894
00:41:35,520 --> 00:41:38,320
Speaker 3: attempt to strike, attempt to strike, yes, sorry, an attack

895
00:41:38,360 --> 00:41:40,840
Speaker 3: on a base twenty five hundred miles away from Iran.

896
00:41:41,080 --> 00:41:43,920
Speaker 3: The Wall Street Journal saying it signals more aggressive military

897
00:41:43,960 --> 00:41:46,840
Speaker 3: posture for the regime. Iran brings Europe into range with

898
00:41:46,880 --> 00:41:50,160
Speaker 3: missiles that were fired at Diego Garcia. We have a

899
00:41:50,200 --> 00:41:52,760
Speaker 3: map just to show you all exactly how far away

900
00:41:52,840 --> 00:41:54,640
Speaker 3: and the distance that it would be. It would be

901
00:41:54,719 --> 00:41:59,000
Speaker 3: the longest IRBM that's been that has happened so far

902
00:41:59,120 --> 00:42:01,520
Speaker 3: in the war. A lot of people were using it

903
00:42:01,600 --> 00:42:04,160
Speaker 3: as evidence of why we had to attack Iran in

904
00:42:04,200 --> 00:42:06,000
Speaker 3: the first place, because it's like, oh my god, look

905
00:42:06,040 --> 00:42:09,080
Speaker 3: at these madmen. They have long range ballistic missiles. But

906
00:42:09,400 --> 00:42:13,920
Speaker 3: there are still some very strange indications around the entire attack.

907
00:42:14,120 --> 00:42:16,680
Speaker 3: Let's put B two up there on the screen from

908
00:42:16,719 --> 00:42:21,240
Speaker 3: the NATO Secretary General. The NATO Secretary General Mark Rutt says, quote,

909
00:42:21,280 --> 00:42:26,000
Speaker 3: the Alliance cannot confirm Israel's claim that missiles targeted Diego Garcia.

910
00:42:26,040 --> 00:42:30,720
Speaker 3: Where Iranian intercontinental ballistic missiles. The other thing to note

911
00:42:30,840 --> 00:42:34,000
Speaker 3: is that you really are not exactly aware of the

912
00:42:34,120 --> 00:42:37,359
Speaker 3: leak because you have Israel allegedly claiming the strike from

913
00:42:37,400 --> 00:42:40,960
Speaker 3: Diego Garcia. The Brits have been very cagy about it.

914
00:42:40,960 --> 00:42:43,600
Speaker 3: There's been some an anonymous leakage that happened to Reuter's

915
00:42:43,600 --> 00:42:45,919
Speaker 3: and a few others, and people are taking it as fact.

916
00:42:46,000 --> 00:42:48,600
Speaker 3: Now you could take that explanation a variety of ways.

917
00:42:49,360 --> 00:42:52,160
Speaker 3: It could be the Iranians don't want to acknowledge the

918
00:42:52,160 --> 00:42:53,920
Speaker 3: strike on Diego Garcia.

919
00:42:53,520 --> 00:42:56,879
Speaker 1: Because likely said it would show some of the powers.

920
00:42:56,520 --> 00:42:58,560
Speaker 3: That they not previously had said that, you know, had

921
00:42:58,600 --> 00:43:01,399
Speaker 3: not previously indicated they have. I'm not really sure why

922
00:43:01,400 --> 00:43:02,839
Speaker 3: that would be. I would want to clean it if

923
00:43:02,840 --> 00:43:04,840
Speaker 3: I were them, because it shows a credible amount of

924
00:43:04,840 --> 00:43:07,920
Speaker 3: deterrence strength ability to strike Europe if they wanted to.

925
00:43:08,080 --> 00:43:10,480
Speaker 3: But maybe they don't want to yet open the box

926
00:43:10,600 --> 00:43:13,000
Speaker 3: whenever it comes to that. The second part is somebody

927
00:43:13,040 --> 00:43:15,800
Speaker 3: else did it. You can surmise who of who exactly would.

928
00:43:15,680 --> 00:43:17,400
Speaker 1: Want the war and all that widening.

929
00:43:17,400 --> 00:43:19,759
Speaker 3: And the third option is it wasn't a missile, it

930
00:43:19,800 --> 00:43:22,360
Speaker 3: was a drone or some other sort of alleged attack.

931
00:43:22,480 --> 00:43:24,480
Speaker 3: Or the fourth I guess is that absolutely nothing happened.

932
00:43:24,520 --> 00:43:28,200
Speaker 3: Remember there's still an information blackout. We have no satellite imagery.

933
00:43:28,239 --> 00:43:31,319
Speaker 3: We basically know nothing in the last like five days

934
00:43:31,440 --> 00:43:33,600
Speaker 3: or so unless it came out of Israel Ororan in

935
00:43:33,640 --> 00:43:36,200
Speaker 3: the Gulf and everywhere else. Even though there's still been attacks.

936
00:43:36,200 --> 00:43:38,600
Speaker 3: The video is dried up to a trickle. They're threatened

937
00:43:38,640 --> 00:43:41,800
Speaker 3: to prosecute people for tweeting out videos, so that Diego

938
00:43:41,840 --> 00:43:44,560
Speaker 3: Garcia one you might have heard it. Be very cautious

939
00:43:44,560 --> 00:43:46,640
Speaker 3: with that claim. There is not any real evidence yet

940
00:43:46,640 --> 00:43:47,560
Speaker 3: that it's actually happened.

941
00:43:47,680 --> 00:43:49,400
Speaker 4: So, yeah, that is really important.

942
00:43:49,440 --> 00:43:49,760
Speaker 1: Today.

943
00:43:49,800 --> 00:43:52,880
Speaker 2: The only evidence we have is from the US saying

944
00:43:52,920 --> 00:43:55,839
Speaker 2: that this occurred. We have no other evidence. There was

945
00:43:55,920 --> 00:43:59,879
Speaker 2: no strike that actually hit the base. You had one,

946
00:44:00,200 --> 00:44:03,160
Speaker 2: this is their claim, one that allegedly like failed halfway in,

947
00:44:03,239 --> 00:44:07,440
Speaker 2: another one that was intercepted. The Iranians are saying this

948
00:44:07,600 --> 00:44:12,040
Speaker 2: was not us. That's their claim. And the reason that

949
00:44:12,360 --> 00:44:15,799
Speaker 2: there's a good cause to be skeptical is because this

950
00:44:15,880 --> 00:44:19,279
Speaker 2: has immediately given a propaganda talking point to proponents of

951
00:44:19,320 --> 00:44:23,160
Speaker 2: the war who say, see, the Iranians were lying about

952
00:44:23,160 --> 00:44:25,120
Speaker 2: the limited range of their ballistic missiles.

953
00:44:25,320 --> 00:44:27,319
Speaker 4: See Europe is at risk.

954
00:44:27,440 --> 00:44:29,920
Speaker 2: Don't you see how we can't believe these people and

955
00:44:29,960 --> 00:44:31,960
Speaker 2: we had to take them out because they pose a.

956
00:44:31,960 --> 00:44:33,880
Speaker 4: Threat to all of the Western world.

957
00:44:34,400 --> 00:44:37,800
Speaker 2: That's the you know what, babe, immediately began pushing all

958
00:44:37,800 --> 00:44:40,359
Speaker 2: sorts of you know, pro war influencers of the US.

959
00:44:40,400 --> 00:44:42,520
Speaker 4: They all began pushing that talking point.

960
00:44:42,960 --> 00:44:45,480
Speaker 2: And when you have this, you know this NATO dude,

961
00:44:45,480 --> 00:44:48,759
Speaker 2: who is a total Trump sycophant even saying like, well,

962
00:44:48,760 --> 00:44:52,040
Speaker 2: we can't actually confirm that it came from Iran. That

963
00:44:52,160 --> 00:44:54,319
Speaker 2: to me was the biggest red flag of like I

964
00:44:54,360 --> 00:44:56,680
Speaker 2: don't know that this really even went down at all,

965
00:44:56,800 --> 00:44:58,840
Speaker 2: let alone went down the way that they're claiming it

966
00:44:58,920 --> 00:45:02,520
Speaker 2: went down. So in any case, possibly Iran has this

967
00:45:03,160 --> 00:45:06,759
Speaker 2: longer missile range that would be a very significant development.

968
00:45:07,040 --> 00:45:11,080
Speaker 2: Or possibly this is all effectively a ruse to provide

969
00:45:11,200 --> 00:45:15,480
Speaker 2: more justification for a war that is extremely unpopular and

970
00:45:15,960 --> 00:45:19,520
Speaker 2: to help to cajole the European allies to get in

971
00:45:19,520 --> 00:45:22,920
Speaker 2: the fight where they've been somewhat resistant thus far. So

972
00:45:23,160 --> 00:45:26,120
Speaker 2: that's the reason to be really skeptical of these claims

973
00:45:26,200 --> 00:45:29,359
Speaker 2: until we have anything more approaching definitive proof.

974
00:45:29,440 --> 00:45:31,799
Speaker 3: And the reason why is that things are not going

975
00:45:31,840 --> 00:45:34,080
Speaker 3: well for Israel right now, and there's every reason in

976
00:45:34,120 --> 00:45:36,480
Speaker 3: the world to actually want to continue to justify the

977
00:45:36,520 --> 00:45:39,200
Speaker 3: propaganda effort against Iran. Let's go and put the next

978
00:45:39,200 --> 00:45:42,320
Speaker 3: one up here on the screen. Let's put B three please.

979
00:45:42,680 --> 00:45:46,600
Speaker 3: This was a very significant development that happened over the weekend.

980
00:45:46,680 --> 00:45:50,360
Speaker 3: Iran said that the US and Israel had attacked the

981
00:45:50,480 --> 00:45:53,960
Speaker 3: Natan's nuclear facility. There actually have been a very limited

982
00:45:54,000 --> 00:45:57,520
Speaker 3: amount of strikes ironically on the nuclear facilities across Iran.

983
00:45:57,719 --> 00:46:01,160
Speaker 3: They said that the Natons Enrichment complex was targeted. This morning,

984
00:46:01,360 --> 00:46:04,800
Speaker 3: we don't yet know what any of the actual damage

985
00:46:04,960 --> 00:46:07,200
Speaker 3: would be. They said, quote, there was no leakage of

986
00:46:07,320 --> 00:46:11,719
Speaker 3: radioactive material that was reported, and no radioactivity material was

987
00:46:11,800 --> 00:46:15,200
Speaker 3: released previously had been targeted by Israel in the Twelve

988
00:46:15,280 --> 00:46:18,200
Speaker 3: Day War. Now, the reason why this is very significant

989
00:46:18,440 --> 00:46:23,840
Speaker 3: is because immediately what followed were massive Iranian strikes on

990
00:46:24,360 --> 00:46:30,000
Speaker 3: where in Demona, where Israel's secret nuclear program is alleged

991
00:46:30,120 --> 00:46:32,600
Speaker 3: to be. Let's go and put some of the video

992
00:46:33,000 --> 00:46:36,240
Speaker 3: up here on the screen. I mean, this is shocking stuff,

993
00:46:36,320 --> 00:46:38,640
Speaker 3: right Like, not only do you see a ballistic missile

994
00:46:38,880 --> 00:46:43,080
Speaker 3: just striking deep inside, you also can see multiple instances

995
00:46:43,160 --> 00:46:45,520
Speaker 3: of interceptors that were failing, not nearly the number of

996
00:46:45,600 --> 00:46:49,120
Speaker 3: interceptors that originally are launched at some of.

997
00:46:49,040 --> 00:46:49,920
Speaker 1: These ballistic missiles.

998
00:46:49,920 --> 00:46:52,360
Speaker 3: And you can see the direct strike that happened that

999
00:46:52,440 --> 00:46:55,720
Speaker 3: was able to penetrate the missile defense systems in Israel.

1000
00:46:55,960 --> 00:46:59,160
Speaker 3: It was immediately followed up by and let's go to

1001
00:46:59,360 --> 00:47:02,320
Speaker 3: B five Life here where Trey Yanks over at Fox

1002
00:47:02,360 --> 00:47:06,520
Speaker 3: News reported a mass casualty event in the city of

1003
00:47:06,600 --> 00:47:10,120
Speaker 3: Arod in Israel, where at least one hundred people were injured.

1004
00:47:10,239 --> 00:47:11,279
Speaker 1: Let's take a listen.

1005
00:47:11,440 --> 00:47:15,000
Speaker 11: Right now, We're here in a rod where last night

1006
00:47:15,000 --> 00:47:20,200
Speaker 11: an Iranian ballistic missile slammed into a residential area. You

1007
00:47:20,239 --> 00:47:23,200
Speaker 11: can see the amounts of destruction here. At least one

1008
00:47:23,239 --> 00:47:26,480
Speaker 11: hundred people were injured, according to first responders. You can

1009
00:47:26,480 --> 00:47:29,200
Speaker 11: see the buildings here that were on fire. There is

1010
00:47:29,280 --> 00:47:34,120
Speaker 11: destruction for blocks. Right now, first responders are still combing

1011
00:47:34,160 --> 00:47:37,239
Speaker 11: through the debris ensuring that there are no unexploded ordinances

1012
00:47:37,840 --> 00:47:40,400
Speaker 11: as Israeli officials arrive here at the scene to survey

1013
00:47:40,520 --> 00:47:41,279
Speaker 11: the damage.

1014
00:47:41,320 --> 00:47:41,920
Speaker 1: So there you go.

1015
00:47:42,000 --> 00:47:43,960
Speaker 3: That was the report there from Trey Yanks who was

1016
00:47:44,000 --> 00:47:46,360
Speaker 3: on the ground. I think the two of these things

1017
00:47:46,400 --> 00:47:49,600
Speaker 3: we could take. First of all, the missile that allegedly

1018
00:47:49,640 --> 00:47:54,960
Speaker 3: struck in Demona, that missile appeared to show some evasive

1019
00:47:55,040 --> 00:47:58,040
Speaker 3: maneuver near the end. This was according to some independent

1020
00:47:58,080 --> 00:48:00,400
Speaker 3: analysis that I saw. That would be some of the

1021
00:48:00,520 --> 00:48:03,840
Speaker 3: more advanced weaponry that the Iranians continue to have. And

1022
00:48:03,880 --> 00:48:06,359
Speaker 3: so what can we take away from that? So they

1023
00:48:06,360 --> 00:48:09,399
Speaker 3: have the ability to target a secret nuclear facility, it's

1024
00:48:09,440 --> 00:48:12,000
Speaker 3: exactly tit for tat. You strike us, we strike you.

1025
00:48:12,280 --> 00:48:14,880
Speaker 3: We're able to penetrate your air defense. We're actually saving

1026
00:48:14,920 --> 00:48:17,440
Speaker 3: some of our more advanced missiles which you claim ninety

1027
00:48:17,440 --> 00:48:20,160
Speaker 3: five percent have all been wiped out. If you combine

1028
00:48:20,200 --> 00:48:22,799
Speaker 3: it with the alleged Diogo Garcia attack, you actually would

1029
00:48:22,840 --> 00:48:25,719
Speaker 3: see a much stronger run from where we are in

1030
00:48:25,760 --> 00:48:28,800
Speaker 3: the last let's say two weeks before, which would validate

1031
00:48:28,840 --> 00:48:30,880
Speaker 3: some of the analysis that we've heard here on the

1032
00:48:30,920 --> 00:48:33,759
Speaker 3: show about how they had sought to wipe out interceptor

1033
00:48:33,760 --> 00:48:36,840
Speaker 3: stockpiles and then reserve some of the drones and some

1034
00:48:36,920 --> 00:48:40,359
Speaker 3: of the ballistic missiles to target very selectively. And they

1035
00:48:40,400 --> 00:48:44,840
Speaker 3: have the ability to secret nuclear facilities, specific bases, patriot

1036
00:48:44,880 --> 00:48:48,200
Speaker 3: missile batteries, SAD interceptors like any of these places, which

1037
00:48:48,200 --> 00:48:51,600
Speaker 3: are very pinprick strikes but designed to inflict maximum damage

1038
00:48:51,600 --> 00:48:54,200
Speaker 3: and deliver a major strategic message. So that's why I

1039
00:48:54,200 --> 00:48:57,719
Speaker 3: think these are very important. Israel very clearly is in

1040
00:48:57,760 --> 00:49:00,719
Speaker 3: a hurt position right now. They do not want to

1041
00:49:00,760 --> 00:49:03,879
Speaker 3: be in a place where their nuclear facility or their

1042
00:49:04,360 --> 00:49:07,080
Speaker 3: cities are taking strikes where they even had to issue

1043
00:49:07,080 --> 00:49:09,640
Speaker 3: an apology to the population in rod being like the

1044
00:49:09,680 --> 00:49:11,360
Speaker 3: interceptor didn't work, We're sorry.

1045
00:49:11,440 --> 00:49:12,560
Speaker 1: I mean, this is.

1046
00:49:12,480 --> 00:49:14,799
Speaker 3: Not what you saw in the opening days of the war,

1047
00:49:14,840 --> 00:49:17,680
Speaker 3: and it's clearly a sign of desperation. We know for them,

1048
00:49:17,960 --> 00:49:20,080
Speaker 3: I mean, the whole gengis con quote you know from

1049
00:49:20,120 --> 00:49:20,919
Speaker 3: BB and all that.

1050
00:49:20,880 --> 00:49:22,640
Speaker 1: Like, you only know which way that that's going to go.

1051
00:49:22,960 --> 00:49:25,000
Speaker 3: In terms of their own response, they're going to say, Okay,

1052
00:49:25,000 --> 00:49:26,879
Speaker 3: we have to have a total war, try and drag

1053
00:49:26,920 --> 00:49:28,160
Speaker 3: the US into a ground invasion.

1054
00:49:28,200 --> 00:49:30,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's exactly right, which is why it's important to

1055
00:49:30,480 --> 00:49:32,840
Speaker 2: keep in mind even if Trump does want to taco,

1056
00:49:32,960 --> 00:49:35,000
Speaker 2: it's not only Iran that gets to say in that.

1057
00:49:35,040 --> 00:49:38,279
Speaker 2: It's also apparently Israel, let's go ahead and put be

1058
00:49:38,360 --> 00:49:40,799
Speaker 2: six up on the screen. This underscores your point about

1059
00:49:40,800 --> 00:49:44,000
Speaker 2: the messaging coming from the Iranians. They're claiming for the

1060
00:49:44,040 --> 00:49:46,600
Speaker 2: past three weeks, our operations were maneuvers to explore the

1061
00:49:46,640 --> 00:49:50,680
Speaker 2: weaknesses of Israeli air defenses. Today we control Israeli airspace.

1062
00:49:51,120 --> 00:49:53,839
Speaker 2: No one can intercept Iran's missiles. I mean, I think

1063
00:49:53,880 --> 00:49:56,880
Speaker 2: that's you know, obviously blustering over the top, But it

1064
00:49:56,920 --> 00:50:00,399
Speaker 2: does appear that as their number of launches have kind

1065
00:50:00,400 --> 00:50:03,920
Speaker 2: of declined to a lower steady state, they're able to

1066
00:50:04,000 --> 00:50:08,040
Speaker 2: inflict more damage, so more of their missiles are finding

1067
00:50:08,080 --> 00:50:11,759
Speaker 2: their targets now. Also important to underscore they did not

1068
00:50:11,920 --> 00:50:16,440
Speaker 2: actually hit the nuclear facility in Demona.

1069
00:50:16,480 --> 00:50:17,400
Speaker 4: Was that intentional?

1070
00:50:17,520 --> 00:50:19,600
Speaker 2: Was it meant more to just send a message of hey,

1071
00:50:19,640 --> 00:50:21,160
Speaker 2: this is something we could do if we want to

1072
00:50:21,160 --> 00:50:23,160
Speaker 2: look how close we're able to strike or did it

1073
00:50:23,239 --> 00:50:23,880
Speaker 2: miss its target?

1074
00:50:23,960 --> 00:50:24,920
Speaker 4: It's open question.

1075
00:50:25,320 --> 00:50:27,200
Speaker 2: But you know, the other thing that I think is

1076
00:50:27,239 --> 00:50:30,480
Speaker 2: really significant here in terms of the Israeli saga is

1077
00:50:31,000 --> 00:50:36,080
Speaker 2: there has been lockdown censorship in Israel about showing some

1078
00:50:36,239 --> 00:50:38,759
Speaker 2: of the damage and showing you know, these missiles in

1079
00:50:38,800 --> 00:50:41,560
Speaker 2: the sky, et cetera. Now you have you had you know,

1080
00:50:41,640 --> 00:50:44,880
Speaker 2: Trey Jinks there on the ground, you had Netanyahu touring

1081
00:50:44,920 --> 00:50:48,080
Speaker 2: some of the damage sites, talking openly about the level

1082
00:50:48,080 --> 00:50:51,120
Speaker 2: of casualties, et cetera. So there has been a shift

1083
00:50:51,719 --> 00:50:56,360
Speaker 2: in their propaganda approach, which I think is also really noteworthy.

1084
00:50:56,640 --> 00:50:59,880
Speaker 2: And you have to ask why what made them decide

1085
00:51:00,080 --> 00:51:02,560
Speaker 2: that they're going to acknowledge some of the damage that

1086
00:51:02,600 --> 00:51:06,279
Speaker 2: has been inflicted and acknowledge some of the civilian casualties.

1087
00:51:06,320 --> 00:51:07,279
Speaker 4: And we'll get to this later.

1088
00:51:07,320 --> 00:51:09,960
Speaker 2: We'll hear more from nat Yahoo later about like, oh

1089
00:51:10,000 --> 00:51:12,000
Speaker 2: my god, the civilians, which is just you know, to

1090
00:51:12,040 --> 00:51:14,200
Speaker 2: hear that man pretend to care about civilian life is

1091
00:51:14,280 --> 00:51:17,080
Speaker 2: just beyond disgusting. But I do think it's interesting to

1092
00:51:17,080 --> 00:51:19,480
Speaker 2: know some people are saying, well, what are they preparing for?

1093
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Speaker 2: You know, what are they trying to prep the ground

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Speaker 2: for by acknowledging these you know strikes that did in

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Speaker 2: fact inflict civilian damage and inflict you know, casualties on

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Speaker 2: civilians there within Israel.

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Speaker 4: So I think that's another important.

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Speaker 3: Piece of Yeah, I mean, we're sitting in the stage

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Speaker 3: here for our eventual conversation about bb later on in

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Speaker 3: the show, because obviously he's making crazy claims. They're trying

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Speaker 3: to widen the war. By the way, just came across

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Speaker 3: the wire. Despite Trump's taco, the Israeli air forces began

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Speaker 3: a wave of air strikes against Iranian infrastructure.

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Speaker 4: Sites, against Israeli infrastructure.

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Speaker 3: Shipw Israel has begun a wave of infrastructure targeting in

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Speaker 3: Iran literally after the Trump talk, so almost an hour later.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, the Israeli Air Force is striking Iran.

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Speaker 4: We know that because they had struck their infrastructure last.

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Speaker 6: Night last night.

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Speaker 1: Well they're continuing again this morning.

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Speaker 3: Just just to keep everybody sorry, you know, the show,

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Speaker 3: everything is moving fluid.

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Speaker 2: Well, and here's the thing, I mean, this is why,

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Speaker 2: like you know, they Trump loves to play this game,

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Speaker 2: and I do think it's the same game as what

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Speaker 2: Biden would play with Israel too, of like, oh I'm

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Speaker 2: so mad at Bebe blah blah blah, and over and

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Speaker 2: over again, we get the same thing, and Trump plays

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Speaker 2: the same game, and so, you know, I look, it's

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Speaker 2: possible Israel's freelancing, but I think it's more likely that

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Speaker 2: there's a coordination here where Trump wants to keep his

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Speaker 2: hands clean but still allow the damage to be inflicted

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Speaker 2: on Iran, to keep the you know, to keep the

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Speaker 2: pressure on and you know, keep uh, sort of manage

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Speaker 2: the escalation by pretending that he's innocent of whatever the

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Speaker 2: you know, the bad Israelis are doing. And oh my gosh,

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Speaker 2: I'm so mad at them for doing this, But you know,

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Speaker 2: I would be surprised if they didn't have some sort

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Speaker 2: of green light er at least not a red light

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Speaker 2: from the US and these type of attacks.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly, who knows exactly what's going on? Alright, let's

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Speaker 3: get to oil