1 00:00:05,240 --> 00:00:07,640 Speaker 1: Hey, this is Annie and Samantha and welcome stuff. Never 2 00:00:07,640 --> 00:00:08,960 Speaker 1: told your protection to buy Heart Radio. 3 00:00:18,640 --> 00:00:21,800 Speaker 2: And is that time of year here in the US 4 00:00:22,239 --> 00:00:26,040 Speaker 2: that we come to celebrate Black History Month? Just to 5 00:00:26,079 --> 00:00:30,000 Speaker 2: put a time stamp, it is February fourth, twenty twenty five. 6 00:00:30,120 --> 00:00:32,720 Speaker 2: And yes, this month is really difficult for me to pronounce, 7 00:00:33,240 --> 00:00:36,240 Speaker 2: so that's just going to be a whole flub. Apologies 8 00:00:36,360 --> 00:00:40,440 Speaker 2: in advance because I can't say February. Well, there's too 9 00:00:40,440 --> 00:00:44,320 Speaker 2: many rs in there anyway, And yes, it is when 10 00:00:44,320 --> 00:00:48,159 Speaker 2: we celebrate Black History Month, and ain't nothing any racist 11 00:00:48,200 --> 00:00:50,720 Speaker 2: group can say about it, because we're going to do 12 00:00:50,760 --> 00:00:51,960 Speaker 2: it and as in fact, we're going to stretch it 13 00:00:51,960 --> 00:00:55,600 Speaker 2: out as long as we want to. So with all 14 00:00:55,640 --> 00:00:57,880 Speaker 2: of that, we thought we want to we would start 15 00:00:57,920 --> 00:01:00,640 Speaker 2: off with a bang for a feminist around the World 16 00:01:00,680 --> 00:01:04,400 Speaker 2: segment and talk about the American musician storyteller and I'm 17 00:01:04,400 --> 00:01:07,759 Speaker 2: calling her a historian, Rhianna and Giddons. I have seen 18 00:01:07,800 --> 00:01:13,120 Speaker 2: an influx about her work and her contributions to the 19 00:01:13,200 --> 00:01:15,600 Speaker 2: music world as well as to the black community recently, 20 00:01:15,920 --> 00:01:18,400 Speaker 2: and I love it because she deserves all the flowers, 21 00:01:18,640 --> 00:01:20,479 Speaker 2: and she does get a lot of flowers, but we're 22 00:01:20,520 --> 00:01:23,800 Speaker 2: gonna keep going. I don't want to brag, but I 23 00:01:23,800 --> 00:01:27,200 Speaker 2: am going to about the fact that I've actually known 24 00:01:27,240 --> 00:01:30,440 Speaker 2: about her for quite some time. In fact, Rihanna and 25 00:01:30,440 --> 00:01:32,520 Speaker 2: Giddens is one of those that I was able to 26 00:01:32,560 --> 00:01:35,280 Speaker 2: see live a few times. And this is when I 27 00:01:35,319 --> 00:01:38,240 Speaker 2: was actually going out and doing things and socializing and 28 00:01:38,319 --> 00:01:41,640 Speaker 2: actually liked going to listen to music live music. I 29 00:01:41,640 --> 00:01:43,360 Speaker 2: don't like it now, I'm too old. I'm that crowd 30 00:01:43,400 --> 00:01:45,039 Speaker 2: that was like, it's too loud to wash my airplux. 31 00:01:45,319 --> 00:01:47,760 Speaker 2: But once upon a time when I did like it, 32 00:01:48,560 --> 00:01:51,600 Speaker 2: I was able to see her in the band Carolina 33 00:01:51,680 --> 00:01:54,680 Speaker 2: Chocolate Drops, and I'm telling you their shows. I still 34 00:01:55,040 --> 00:01:58,440 Speaker 2: clearly remember some of the best performances. I can't even 35 00:01:58,520 --> 00:02:01,240 Speaker 2: remember the name of a venue you, but I remember 36 00:02:01,280 --> 00:02:03,840 Speaker 2: the performances, including her dancing, and I believe they call 37 00:02:03,920 --> 00:02:09,120 Speaker 2: it flat footed dancing. So good, it's so good. But 38 00:02:09,280 --> 00:02:12,560 Speaker 2: with that, even though again she's already a worldwide figure 39 00:02:13,240 --> 00:02:15,480 Speaker 2: and has been praised for a lot of her work 40 00:02:15,680 --> 00:02:19,160 Speaker 2: in art artistry, we still wanted to celebrate here on 41 00:02:19,200 --> 00:02:21,480 Speaker 2: the show her work and legacy as she continues to 42 00:02:21,480 --> 00:02:26,120 Speaker 2: build it. Obviously, because it's still going so Giddons is 43 00:02:26,200 --> 00:02:31,640 Speaker 2: a gifted musician with many talents under her belt, including fiddle, banjo, dancing, 44 00:02:31,680 --> 00:02:34,760 Speaker 2: and of course singing. Her music is filled with soul, 45 00:02:35,000 --> 00:02:38,600 Speaker 2: ancestral tributes, and storytelling. She grew up with her family 46 00:02:38,680 --> 00:02:42,760 Speaker 2: in the mountains of North Carolina. Her lineage includes African American, 47 00:02:42,880 --> 00:02:47,239 Speaker 2: Native American, and European American, so they say it's very diverse. 48 00:02:48,600 --> 00:02:51,080 Speaker 2: Both she and her sister have grown up with the 49 00:02:51,160 --> 00:02:54,000 Speaker 2: love of music and went on to get degrees in 50 00:02:54,560 --> 00:02:57,040 Speaker 2: conservatories as in fact, I believe her sister runs one, 51 00:02:57,240 --> 00:02:59,960 Speaker 2: so lot lot of music and a lot of talent 52 00:03:00,360 --> 00:03:04,360 Speaker 2: in this family. Giddens even studied opera at Oberlin College 53 00:03:04,360 --> 00:03:07,160 Speaker 2: and that's one of her specialties. And her voice is 54 00:03:07,320 --> 00:03:11,680 Speaker 2: so unique. It's such a beautiful uh sound and tone, 55 00:03:12,160 --> 00:03:16,560 Speaker 2: so many things. Gidden's background also includes Scottish traditional music 56 00:03:17,120 --> 00:03:20,360 Speaker 2: and has performed and contributed to many different folk groups 57 00:03:20,360 --> 00:03:23,880 Speaker 2: and festivals and even beyond, including operas. I believe she's 58 00:03:24,040 --> 00:03:26,760 Speaker 2: worked with Italian artists. She's definitely worked with a lot 59 00:03:26,760 --> 00:03:29,720 Speaker 2: of classical people. Yo Yoma believe he's one of the 60 00:03:29,720 --> 00:03:32,800 Speaker 2: people that she has worked with as well. She's a 61 00:03:32,880 --> 00:03:35,680 Speaker 2: giant list of all the big and famous people that 62 00:03:35,720 --> 00:03:40,120 Speaker 2: she's worked with. I think she opened up for Elvis Costello, 63 00:03:40,440 --> 00:03:43,960 Speaker 2: which you know, our friend of the show, Hollyween, huge fan, 64 00:03:44,400 --> 00:03:48,280 Speaker 2: huge fan, but they've opened up for them as well. 65 00:03:49,240 --> 00:03:53,480 Speaker 2: And with her amazing ability to perform and showcase her talents, Uh, 66 00:03:53,560 --> 00:03:57,360 Speaker 2: she's able to add storytelling to her artistry. Like everything 67 00:03:57,840 --> 00:04:00,560 Speaker 2: that she does, even if it sounds just like a song, 68 00:04:00,880 --> 00:04:05,280 Speaker 2: has a story. She does a great rendition of do Right, 69 00:04:06,080 --> 00:04:10,960 Speaker 2: which I know from Roger Rabbit, but I believe, I 70 00:04:11,040 --> 00:04:15,000 Speaker 2: believe's a pathty Cline song. But she does a great 71 00:04:15,080 --> 00:04:17,160 Speaker 2: rendition of that song. You have going to good chance 72 00:04:17,160 --> 00:04:19,400 Speaker 2: to listen to it. And here's a bit from her 73 00:04:19,440 --> 00:04:23,159 Speaker 2: own site. Rihannon Giddins has made a singular iconic career 74 00:04:23,200 --> 00:04:25,640 Speaker 2: out of stretching her brand of folk music, with its 75 00:04:25,720 --> 00:04:30,320 Speaker 2: miles deep historical roots and contemporary sensibilities, into just about 76 00:04:30,360 --> 00:04:34,160 Speaker 2: every field imaginable. A two time Grammy Award winning singer 77 00:04:34,200 --> 00:04:38,560 Speaker 2: and multi instrumentalist, MacArthur Genius Grant recipient, pull A Surprise winner, 78 00:04:38,800 --> 00:04:42,719 Speaker 2: and composer of opera, ballet, and film, Giddons has centered 79 00:04:42,720 --> 00:04:45,039 Speaker 2: her work around the mission of lifting up people whose 80 00:04:45,080 --> 00:04:49,520 Speaker 2: contributions to American music history have previously been overlooked or erased, 81 00:04:49,680 --> 00:04:52,680 Speaker 2: and advocating for a more accurate understanding of the country's 82 00:04:52,800 --> 00:04:57,000 Speaker 2: musical origins through art and yeah, obviously we're gonna go 83 00:04:57,040 --> 00:04:59,720 Speaker 2: a little bit deeper into what she's been doing. But 84 00:05:00,120 --> 00:05:02,400 Speaker 2: that's exactly why I feel like she's one of those 85 00:05:02,480 --> 00:05:06,159 Speaker 2: that should start off our Black History Month, people who 86 00:05:06,400 --> 00:05:11,560 Speaker 2: are able to accurately portray as well as dictate and 87 00:05:11,640 --> 00:05:16,120 Speaker 2: give us and some of her works should be celebrated immediately. 88 00:05:17,160 --> 00:05:19,120 Speaker 2: So in two thousand and six, she helped form the 89 00:05:19,120 --> 00:05:23,320 Speaker 2: group Carolina Chocolate Drops with Don Flemons and Justin Robinson. 90 00:05:23,400 --> 00:05:25,880 Speaker 2: So here's a bit of information about the group from 91 00:05:26,200 --> 00:05:29,880 Speaker 2: her sight Rhannegiddons dot com. The Carolina Chocolate Drops were 92 00:05:29,880 --> 00:05:32,680 Speaker 2: an innovative black string band founded in two thousand and six. 93 00:05:33,040 --> 00:05:36,200 Speaker 2: The original members Don Flemons, Rhann and Giddons and Justin 94 00:05:36,279 --> 00:05:39,960 Speaker 2: Robinson's with assists from Souley Greg Wilson, spent a lot 95 00:05:40,000 --> 00:05:42,880 Speaker 2: of time with the revered string band. Elder Joe Thompson, 96 00:05:43,200 --> 00:05:46,320 Speaker 2: an eighty six year old fiddler from Mibin, North Carolina. 97 00:05:46,720 --> 00:05:49,039 Speaker 2: His music formed the core of their original set list, 98 00:05:49,160 --> 00:05:52,839 Speaker 2: but blues drug band members, originals, novelty songs, ballads, and 99 00:05:52,880 --> 00:05:56,440 Speaker 2: other kinds of Americana rounded out their repertoire. They won 100 00:05:56,520 --> 00:05:59,680 Speaker 2: the last Official Folk Music Grammy in twenty ten for 101 00:05:59,800 --> 00:06:02,880 Speaker 2: their None Such release, and if you get a chance 102 00:06:02,880 --> 00:06:06,600 Speaker 2: to listen to their award winning album, it is fantastic. 103 00:06:06,680 --> 00:06:10,880 Speaker 2: There's so many good things and I'm I'm pretty sure 104 00:06:10,920 --> 00:06:12,760 Speaker 2: and I need to look back into this that some 105 00:06:12,800 --> 00:06:18,040 Speaker 2: of these songs were actually songs from enslaved people's from 106 00:06:18,080 --> 00:06:20,920 Speaker 2: way back when and they just brought it back again. 107 00:06:21,560 --> 00:06:26,839 Speaker 2: Such a phenomenals album, such great music. Their performances are amazing, 108 00:06:26,920 --> 00:06:29,440 Speaker 2: and yeah, they do a lot of like jug playing. 109 00:06:29,640 --> 00:06:32,400 Speaker 2: I believe they did a lot of like mouth music 110 00:06:32,440 --> 00:06:37,000 Speaker 2: as well as a watchboard. So good, so good, I 111 00:06:37,040 --> 00:06:39,920 Speaker 2: can't talk a less about it. She was the last 112 00:06:39,960 --> 00:06:42,400 Speaker 2: original member of the group and even since then she's 113 00:06:42,400 --> 00:06:46,040 Speaker 2: not slowed down. Her performances and musical contributions has earned 114 00:06:46,080 --> 00:06:49,279 Speaker 2: her many different awards, including the first American to be 115 00:06:49,279 --> 00:06:51,640 Speaker 2: awarded as the Folk Singer of the Year from the 116 00:06:51,680 --> 00:06:54,760 Speaker 2: BBC two Focal Awards, and the first woman in person 117 00:06:54,800 --> 00:06:57,279 Speaker 2: of color to be awarded the Steve Martin Price for 118 00:06:57,320 --> 00:07:00,279 Speaker 2: Excellence in Banjo and bluegrass, and I feel if you 119 00:07:00,279 --> 00:07:02,320 Speaker 2: know who Steve Martin is, you know he is a 120 00:07:02,360 --> 00:07:17,120 Speaker 2: really great banjo player. Yeah, her work in artistry in 121 00:07:17,200 --> 00:07:21,080 Speaker 2: playing the banjo is mesmerizing, and it's obvious she has 122 00:07:21,120 --> 00:07:24,800 Speaker 2: a deep connection to this specific instrument. In an interview 123 00:07:24,840 --> 00:07:26,720 Speaker 2: she did for Variety, she talks about the legacy of 124 00:07:26,720 --> 00:07:29,760 Speaker 2: the banjo and its connection to the black community in 125 00:07:29,800 --> 00:07:33,920 Speaker 2: an article written by Chris Willman. In that article, she says, well, 126 00:07:33,960 --> 00:07:36,280 Speaker 2: I'll always have to start here, and I'm surprised. I 127 00:07:36,280 --> 00:07:38,720 Speaker 2: don't know why that it's still such an unknown thing 128 00:07:39,080 --> 00:07:43,040 Speaker 2: that black people invented the banjo. If that's your only takeaway, 129 00:07:43,120 --> 00:07:45,480 Speaker 2: I've done something. But if you weren't lucky enough to 130 00:07:45,520 --> 00:07:47,800 Speaker 2: know somebody who knew the real story, why would you 131 00:07:47,840 --> 00:07:50,280 Speaker 2: know that. I didn't know that until I was an adult. 132 00:07:50,640 --> 00:07:52,560 Speaker 2: And that shifts your whole view of what we've been 133 00:07:52,560 --> 00:07:55,680 Speaker 2: told about American music. If the very foundation of what 134 00:07:55,680 --> 00:07:57,720 Speaker 2: we've been told is as wrong as it is, what 135 00:07:57,760 --> 00:08:00,320 Speaker 2: does that mean for everything that's built on top of it? 136 00:08:00,960 --> 00:08:06,239 Speaker 2: And then she continues elaborating history isn't simple, especially American history, 137 00:08:06,240 --> 00:08:09,120 Speaker 2: which is super complicated because of the way that America 138 00:08:09,200 --> 00:08:11,560 Speaker 2: came to be, and the amounts of different cultures that 139 00:08:11,640 --> 00:08:14,840 Speaker 2: mixed and mingled, and the economic juggernaut that was slavery. 140 00:08:15,160 --> 00:08:17,400 Speaker 2: The banjo is existing in this world, and I guess 141 00:08:17,440 --> 00:08:19,360 Speaker 2: what I want people to understand is that you can't 142 00:08:19,400 --> 00:08:22,720 Speaker 2: talk about the banjo without talking about slavery. You have 143 00:08:22,800 --> 00:08:25,960 Speaker 2: to talk about slavery. You have to talk about minstrelsy. 144 00:08:26,440 --> 00:08:29,040 Speaker 2: You have to talk about the segregation of American music. 145 00:08:29,360 --> 00:08:31,680 Speaker 2: Those are the three main points. And if you're not 146 00:08:31,720 --> 00:08:34,400 Speaker 2: talking about those things when you talk about the banjo, 147 00:08:34,640 --> 00:08:38,000 Speaker 2: then you're just serving a simplified narrative that's actually doing 148 00:08:38,080 --> 00:08:41,600 Speaker 2: us harm because it's not just simplified, it's actually false. 149 00:08:42,040 --> 00:08:45,640 Speaker 2: It actually lies, which is amazing to me how deeply 150 00:08:45,720 --> 00:08:48,360 Speaker 2: rooted they are and how powerful they are. So this 151 00:08:48,559 --> 00:08:51,360 Speaker 2: article was talking about a special she was doing about 152 00:08:51,400 --> 00:08:53,680 Speaker 2: the history of the banjo and music and all that, 153 00:08:54,480 --> 00:08:58,840 Speaker 2: and I found that article really fascinating and a great read, 154 00:08:58,880 --> 00:09:03,240 Speaker 2: because yes, we have talked about how often history has 155 00:09:03,320 --> 00:09:07,000 Speaker 2: been whitewashed and taken away from those who truly contributed 156 00:09:07,280 --> 00:09:10,960 Speaker 2: and then forgotten. So I love that we are talking 157 00:09:10,960 --> 00:09:12,920 Speaker 2: about it, and she has continued to talk about it 158 00:09:12,960 --> 00:09:17,000 Speaker 2: to elevate the story with her platform and with her 159 00:09:17,160 --> 00:09:20,240 Speaker 2: taking the time to educate people on the true history 160 00:09:20,280 --> 00:09:22,920 Speaker 2: of music. She's been hard at work and telling those 161 00:09:22,960 --> 00:09:26,280 Speaker 2: stories and unearthing the many who have contributed even more so. 162 00:09:26,800 --> 00:09:29,800 Speaker 2: Here's a quote from a UNC dot Edo article titled 163 00:09:30,120 --> 00:09:32,760 Speaker 2: Rihannon Giddens connects History and music, and this is kind 164 00:09:32,800 --> 00:09:34,480 Speaker 2: of the part of the work that she has done 165 00:09:34,679 --> 00:09:38,440 Speaker 2: in order to give us more and more information. Gidden's 166 00:09:38,440 --> 00:09:41,200 Speaker 2: residency began in spring twenty twenty two with a goal 167 00:09:41,280 --> 00:09:45,280 Speaker 2: of quote highlighting stories untold and voices unheard. She said, 168 00:09:45,800 --> 00:09:49,120 Speaker 2: my aim was to celebrate the cultural contributions of those 169 00:09:49,160 --> 00:09:51,839 Speaker 2: who came before us in my art, and to bring 170 00:09:51,880 --> 00:09:55,160 Speaker 2: to light the impact of black and Indigenous populations that 171 00:09:55,320 --> 00:09:59,000 Speaker 2: resided in Chapel Hill. Gidden's work centers on uncovering and 172 00:09:59,040 --> 00:10:02,840 Speaker 2: lifting up overlooked people and forgotten or erased musical origins. 173 00:10:03,280 --> 00:10:06,840 Speaker 2: Before she conducted much of her historical research digitally, finding 174 00:10:06,840 --> 00:10:10,360 Speaker 2: sheet music from the eighteen hundreds, advertisements foreign slaved People 175 00:10:10,640 --> 00:10:14,840 Speaker 2: ads for runaways at Carolina Getten spent hours delving into 176 00:10:14,840 --> 00:10:17,960 Speaker 2: the robust archives of Wilson Library with the help of 177 00:10:18,080 --> 00:10:21,839 Speaker 2: archivists and research assistance. These kinds of things have played 178 00:10:21,840 --> 00:10:24,720 Speaker 2: a huge part in my songwriting and composition, she said, 179 00:10:25,040 --> 00:10:27,800 Speaker 2: But I've never had the opportunity to hold documents in 180 00:10:27,840 --> 00:10:31,520 Speaker 2: my hand, to chase things down, to really dig into things. 181 00:10:33,160 --> 00:10:36,320 Speaker 2: That's so much history. And again it's one of those 182 00:10:36,320 --> 00:10:39,520 Speaker 2: things that we have to acknowledge how much work she 183 00:10:39,640 --> 00:10:43,200 Speaker 2: has put in into telling us the truth, giving us 184 00:10:43,200 --> 00:10:47,520 Speaker 2: so much amazing information and content. And with all of this, 185 00:10:47,679 --> 00:10:51,520 Speaker 2: of course, she continues to earn accolades on top of accolades, 186 00:10:52,120 --> 00:10:55,680 Speaker 2: some of them we mentioned earlier including International Folk Music Awards, 187 00:10:55,800 --> 00:11:00,280 Speaker 2: Americana Music Awards, Grammy for the Best Folk Album, The Again, 188 00:11:00,360 --> 00:11:04,120 Speaker 2: the MacArthur Fellowship Again, and The Pull of Surprise in 189 00:11:04,280 --> 00:11:08,559 Speaker 2: music for Omar, an opera based on Omar bin said 190 00:11:08,760 --> 00:11:11,880 Speaker 2: and his life story. So this was actually something she 191 00:11:11,920 --> 00:11:14,760 Speaker 2: was working on, I believe during COVID, and so it 192 00:11:14,800 --> 00:11:17,080 Speaker 2: was released in twenty twenty two or twenty twenty three. 193 00:11:17,600 --> 00:11:20,480 Speaker 2: And this is from her site. Here's what she's up 194 00:11:20,480 --> 00:11:24,040 Speaker 2: to currently. Quote. She is the current artistic director of 195 00:11:24,160 --> 00:11:27,520 Speaker 2: the Yo Yo Ma founded Silk Road Ensemble, hosts a 196 00:11:27,559 --> 00:11:30,599 Speaker 2: TV show on PBS My Music with Rhiann and Giddons, 197 00:11:30,760 --> 00:11:34,880 Speaker 2: and has hosted two podcasts, Aria Code from New York 198 00:11:34,880 --> 00:11:39,599 Speaker 2: City's NPR affiliated station WQXR, which ran for three seasons, 199 00:11:39,880 --> 00:11:44,040 Speaker 2: and American Railroad from Silk Road. Giddens has published two 200 00:11:44,160 --> 00:11:47,680 Speaker 2: children's books and written and performed music for the soundtrack 201 00:11:47,720 --> 00:11:50,559 Speaker 2: of Red Dead Redemption two, one of the best selling 202 00:11:50,600 --> 00:11:54,240 Speaker 2: video games of all times. Pause here because my partner 203 00:11:54,280 --> 00:11:56,079 Speaker 2: was playing this and I did. I actually stopped a 204 00:11:56,360 --> 00:12:00,600 Speaker 2: way that music. Who's playing this? I was able to 205 00:12:00,640 --> 00:12:05,120 Speaker 2: recognize and pinpoint who it was, just saying myself kudos, 206 00:12:05,120 --> 00:12:10,840 Speaker 2: thank you. Anyway, going on, she's appeared as a recurring 207 00:12:11,080 --> 00:12:14,040 Speaker 2: cast member of ABC's hit drama Nashville. So she's doing 208 00:12:14,040 --> 00:12:18,600 Speaker 2: some acting as a music history expert on Kenburn's Country 209 00:12:18,679 --> 00:12:21,680 Speaker 2: music series on PBS, and in twenty twenty five, she 210 00:12:21,720 --> 00:12:25,240 Speaker 2: will launch her music her own music festival in Durham, 211 00:12:25,280 --> 00:12:29,520 Speaker 2: North Carolina, called Biscuits and Banjo's to celebrate black culture 212 00:12:29,600 --> 00:12:32,319 Speaker 2: outside the mainstream. I really want to go to this. 213 00:12:33,400 --> 00:12:34,439 Speaker 2: I think we need to go to this. 214 00:12:35,200 --> 00:12:36,880 Speaker 1: I'm in that's not that far. 215 00:12:37,080 --> 00:12:39,439 Speaker 2: It's not far. It's not far, and I definitely want 216 00:12:39,480 --> 00:12:42,520 Speaker 2: to celebrate that. Obviously. Again, with all of her works 217 00:12:42,559 --> 00:12:47,320 Speaker 2: and accomplishments. We are condensing this down by a lot, 218 00:12:47,720 --> 00:12:49,760 Speaker 2: by a lot, but go and take a listen to 219 00:12:49,760 --> 00:12:52,240 Speaker 2: her music and her work. It's something you have to 220 00:12:52,320 --> 00:12:58,400 Speaker 2: experience firsthand because when we talk about passion and soul, 221 00:12:58,720 --> 00:13:02,040 Speaker 2: she to me is the epitome of that. The music 222 00:13:02,160 --> 00:13:05,559 Speaker 2: that she plays, that she writes, that she performs it 223 00:13:05,720 --> 00:13:08,840 Speaker 2: truly like is her. Like I said, I was able 224 00:13:08,880 --> 00:13:11,600 Speaker 2: to pick her out of a game that I don't 225 00:13:11,640 --> 00:13:14,440 Speaker 2: even know anything about outside of I think he dies 226 00:13:14,440 --> 00:13:15,360 Speaker 2: a syphilis. I don't know. 227 00:13:18,720 --> 00:13:20,800 Speaker 1: Well, I'm going to I'm going to tell you that's 228 00:13:20,920 --> 00:13:21,880 Speaker 1: not what happened. 229 00:13:22,080 --> 00:13:23,360 Speaker 2: Okay, maybe that's. 230 00:13:23,200 --> 00:13:27,880 Speaker 1: What happened to your partner and his playthrough, but that's 231 00:13:27,920 --> 00:13:29,040 Speaker 1: not the ultimate ending. 232 00:13:29,920 --> 00:13:34,520 Speaker 2: I don't know. Wow, maybe consumption is that when it 233 00:13:34,640 --> 00:13:36,319 Speaker 2: is one of those two things. 234 00:13:36,720 --> 00:13:44,200 Speaker 1: No, still not right, But I appreciate that you're able 235 00:13:44,240 --> 00:13:49,080 Speaker 1: to pick it out. That's I try it. Oh well, 236 00:13:49,160 --> 00:13:51,720 Speaker 1: I mean, this is an amazing story and obviously she's 237 00:13:51,800 --> 00:13:55,880 Speaker 1: doing so so much a music festival and acting and 238 00:13:56,000 --> 00:14:02,920 Speaker 1: music and history. It's amazing video games. Well, listeners, please 239 00:14:03,000 --> 00:14:06,320 Speaker 1: let us know if you have any thoughts on this 240 00:14:06,440 --> 00:14:10,040 Speaker 1: or any suggestions for who we should cover next. You 241 00:14:10,080 --> 00:14:12,280 Speaker 1: can contact us in a variety of ways. You can 242 00:14:12,360 --> 00:14:14,840 Speaker 1: email us at Hello at stuff one Never Told You 243 00:14:14,880 --> 00:14:17,839 Speaker 1: dot com. You can find us on blue Sky at 244 00:14:17,840 --> 00:14:20,600 Speaker 1: mom Stuff podcast, or on Instagram and TikTok at stuff 245 00:14:20,600 --> 00:14:23,120 Speaker 1: I've Never Told You. We're also on YouTube. 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