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Speaker 1: Welcome in on Doug Gottlieb and this is the I

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Speaker 1: don't know if you want to call it the New

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Speaker 1: Doug Gottlieb Show or just the Doug Gottlieb Show or whatever.

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Speaker 1: I truly appreciate you watching, listening, loading up on it,

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Speaker 1: downloading in podcast form as well. And what you'll hear

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Speaker 1: over the next hour or so is a lot of

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Speaker 1: what you heard over the years, only a slight slant

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Speaker 1: on it towards Wisconsin and a little bit more on.

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Speaker 1: What I'd like to say is my terms right, my timeline.

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Speaker 1: So if any of when you come upon this on

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Speaker 1: WFRV Plus, or you listen to it in the All

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Speaker 1: Ball podcast feed, or you watch it on WFRV, or

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Speaker 1: you see a clip of it online, just understand that

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Speaker 1: my terms are, Hey, I don't have anything else going,

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Speaker 1: and I get to talk sports with some of my friends.

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Speaker 1: And my goal is always when I interview people. And

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Speaker 1: we have three guests today. One is Preston Rudinger, who

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Speaker 1: I actually know. He's my point guard at GB but

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Speaker 1: he's also co owner of the Green Bay Packers. I

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Speaker 1: like that. I thought you would so too. Is Matt

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Speaker 1: Holliday is a dear friend of mine. We share a

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Speaker 1: same birthday. Happy Birthday, Matt, think I forget that. I

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Speaker 1: got to remember to wish my happy birthday. But we've

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Speaker 1: been friends for nineteen ninety seven, nineteen ninety seven, so

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Speaker 1: that's almost thirty years of frendship. We were sat we didn't.

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Speaker 1: We weren't friends in nineteen ninety seven. We met nineteen

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Speaker 1: ninety seven, but we've been friends for a long time anyway,

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Speaker 1: So let's go with twenty twenty five years of true friendship.

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Speaker 1: And any guests we have on we're friends, but I

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Speaker 1: also I like to learn from them. I ask questions

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Speaker 1: about things I don't know the answer to. I think

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Speaker 1: that's the reason some people when they conduct interviews, they

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Speaker 1: want confirmation over a thought, and that's why it isn't

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Speaker 1: really a question, or it is a setup question to

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Speaker 1: play into whatever their rant is. I got a couple

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Speaker 1: of different thoughts to share with you, and then we'll

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Speaker 1: work through some NFL stuff, we'll work through some college

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Speaker 1: hoop stuff, and we'll work through some baseball stuff as well.

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Speaker 1: Mark Dominic will be our guest, of course. Mark Dominic

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Speaker 1: was a GM of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers, a dear

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Speaker 1: friend of mine. He's an unbelievable asset as he's in

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Speaker 1: the agent world as well. He knows the draft, he

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Speaker 1: knows the players, he knows the Packers, he knows the

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Speaker 1: NFC North. And then Matt Holliday Preston Rudiger will also

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Speaker 1: join us. But I do have some thoughts to share

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Speaker 1: with you. Let's start with the topic that everybody in

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Speaker 1: Green Bay is talking about, which is Matt Lafleur and

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Speaker 1: his future. The thing about it, and I understand that

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Speaker 1: we've seen the conservative play calling, We've seen you lose leads,

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Speaker 1: then into the postseason, and it's a fire everybody sort

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Speaker 1: of moment. But you do have to catch your breath

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Speaker 1: and go Okay. Does firing Matt Lafleur absolutely positively make

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Speaker 1: us better in terms of getting back to Super Bowl?

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Speaker 1: That's the question. I mean, look, just if you want

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Speaker 1: full candor, that's what you're going to get here. I

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Speaker 1: get my coaching job late. There's not a lot available.

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Speaker 1: We don't have a lot of money, and even if

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Speaker 1: you did, the guys that are available all have flaws,

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Speaker 1: bigger flaws than the ones that were available previously, and

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Speaker 1: you kind of gotta do you go super young or

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Speaker 1: do you go with somebody with major baggage. The same

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Speaker 1: is true with coaching staff that that wasn't necessarily perfect.

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Speaker 1: So in trying to say, Okay, how do I build

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Speaker 1: this thing the right way? The only thing that mattered

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Speaker 1: in coaching staff, in support staff is are you making

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Speaker 1: Are you helping me and us get better every day?

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Speaker 1: If you're not, it doesn't matter how good a friends

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Speaker 1: that stuff is great. Are you making us better? Let's it?

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Speaker 1: Are you making us? Is what you do? Make us better?

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Speaker 1: And then when you get players, players making us better?

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Speaker 1: Not can he score? Not getting does he make it?

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Speaker 1: Does he do something that helps make us better? And

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Speaker 1: so when I'm when you look at Matt Lafleur and

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Speaker 1: of back and forth as it was or not. He

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Speaker 1: bought into the system, it will work, and then what

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Speaker 1: end of his Packer career, he was an MVP in

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Speaker 1: his late thirties. Again, I understand that Aaron Rodgers of

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Speaker 1: you absolutely he's in the pantheon of FARVN Rodgers' all

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Speaker 1: time great Packers quarterback. There are moments in which he

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Speaker 1: looks like some portion of each of them, right, the

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Speaker 1: gunslinger mentality of FARV and some of the play styling

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Speaker 1: you can see that. On the other hand, there are

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Speaker 1: times when she's like, what are you doing? And again

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Speaker 1: maybe that's the FARV in him, because how FARV was

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Speaker 1: then high risk, high reward quarterbacks just don't operate that

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Speaker 1: way anymore. Right, We're in a We're in a world

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Speaker 1: of efficiency. If you want to know, by the way,

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Speaker 1: I want a secret for what's changed with Green Bay basketball.

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Speaker 1: We're the most efficient team in the league. That's it.

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Speaker 1: We don't play the fastest, we actually play the slowest, okay,

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Speaker 1: but we score plenty of points because while we don't

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Speaker 1: take a ton of field goals, we get to the

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Speaker 1: free throw line a ton. Okay, it's by design. We

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Speaker 1: just don't feel like we're we're at our best if

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Speaker 1: that's really again. You can play a ton of snaps

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Speaker 1: I don't know if Farv would be far of if

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Speaker 1: that's where love falls is that Leve will have one

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Speaker 1: game where you're like, you do know we're wearing green today,

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Speaker 1: and it's high risk, high reward. So I just I've

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Speaker 1: then there are other ones are like I don't know,

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Speaker 1: be six seven games where they're still trying to figure

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Speaker 1: out the offense in the season, and the Packers should

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Speaker 1: be in super Bowl mode next year. You're gonna get

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Speaker 1: Michael Parsons back, You're gonna get Tucker Kraft back. You

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Speaker 1: still have a young team, you have a quarterback under contract.

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Speaker 1: own like you have all of these things. Obviously, there's

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Speaker 1: all those things. But if you change coaches, you're changing

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Speaker 1: You're changing offenses, you're changing vocabulary, and you're at least

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Speaker 1: offering up the possibility of whatever you think of Jordan Love,

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Speaker 1: should definitely bring them back. I also think you don't

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Speaker 1: a check. It doesn't hurts you. In the salary cap.

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Speaker 1: a kick, they win the win the game, right, and

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Speaker 1: talking about man. They really bumped up against the ceiling

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Speaker 1: because they didn't have theirs they were prepared to play.

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Speaker 1: That's how they jumped up. All of that's coaching. When

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Speaker 1: Don't do it. It's like as a divorce man, don't follow

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Speaker 1: don't want any of that. You don't. Just live your life,

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Speaker 1: on social media at Gottlieb Show or on Instagram at

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Speaker 1: Gottlieb Show. If you have a legit plan for how

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Speaker 3: right because I think that Detroit has such unique pieces.

429
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Speaker 3: When Sam Laporte is healthy, boy, there's a lot of

430
00:21:26,440 --> 00:21:28,479
Speaker 3: weapons there. You got the running back room, you certainly

431
00:21:28,680 --> 00:21:30,959
Speaker 3: obviously the wide receivers, the different things that they can do.

432
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Speaker 3: So I'm looking for somebody that can has shown there

433
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Speaker 3: has been in a system that has shown that multiple

434
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Speaker 3: players can do different things. It's like the forty nine

435
00:21:38,600 --> 00:21:40,879
Speaker 3: ers mindset, right, It's like when we have Kittle, we

436
00:21:40,880 --> 00:21:42,520
Speaker 3: can go to Kittle, but we can also use mccaffreys

437
00:21:42,560 --> 00:21:45,080
Speaker 3: and I can use different pieces in different matchups. And

438
00:21:45,119 --> 00:21:46,600
Speaker 3: so it's going to be more than that and just

439
00:21:46,600 --> 00:21:48,680
Speaker 3: bringing in I want to run this West Coast system

440
00:21:48,760 --> 00:21:50,520
Speaker 3: or I want to run this system. I think you're

441
00:21:50,560 --> 00:21:52,679
Speaker 3: looking for that coach that's been around, somebody that's been

442
00:21:52,720 --> 00:21:54,720
Speaker 3: able to say we're going to focus on the ball

443
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Speaker 3: here and we're going to get it there. I mean,

444
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Speaker 3: I was fortunate in Tampa to work with coach Cruden.

445
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Speaker 3: And you know what's amazing about Coach Cruden is it

446
00:22:02,119 --> 00:22:04,399
Speaker 3: long time ago he had, you know, Jerry Rice and

447
00:22:04,440 --> 00:22:06,160
Speaker 3: Tim Brown, and he found a way to give them

448
00:22:06,160 --> 00:22:08,600
Speaker 3: both like eighty catches and one thousand yards. To me,

449
00:22:08,680 --> 00:22:11,280
Speaker 3: that that's a special coach that can figure out how

450
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Speaker 3: do you keep everybody fed and keep the machine moving.

451
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Speaker 4: I think you got to look that way.

452
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Speaker 1: Let's go to the Vikings.

453
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Speaker 5: It's J. J.

454
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Speaker 1: McCarthy absolutely the guy.

455
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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean yeah, I was just meeting with some

456
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Speaker 3: Michigan guys again the other day that are coming out

457
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Speaker 3: in this draft, and boy, they all speak so highly

458
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Speaker 3: of him, so you know, it's not the it's not

459
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Speaker 3: the character of the guy, and it's not the leader

460
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Speaker 3: of the guy. It's the execution of the guy. Right

461
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Speaker 3: And and to me, you know, I'm still going one

462
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Speaker 3: more year with JJ as the starter.

463
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Speaker 4: I don't feel like I really need to.

464
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Speaker 3: Put the big push behind him, Like I'm going to

465
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Speaker 3: let him be the guy, and I'm willing to be

466
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Speaker 3: wrong about it. And I would be comfortable doing that

467
00:22:51,040 --> 00:22:53,360
Speaker 3: if I was in Minnesota because I still think if

468
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Speaker 3: we can get the offensive line a little more secured

469
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Speaker 3: and maybe find him one more weapon, I think you

470
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Speaker 3: got to see what you got because too many it

471
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Speaker 3: feels like he's got it. But the problem is, coach,

472
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Speaker 3: you know, he only had flashes, like he barely put

473
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Speaker 3: together a full game, and that's very concerning. But I'm

474
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Speaker 3: going to give him one more year if I'm Minnesota,

475
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Speaker 3: because I still believe the guy is in there that

476
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Speaker 3: everybody craves and loves.

477
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Speaker 1: I do want to ask you about the Browns because

478
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Speaker 1: they're interesting, right. They let go Stefanski, they have two

479
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Speaker 1: rookie quarterbacks, they have a high draft pick, but the

480
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Speaker 1: but the draft class does not appear to be loaded

481
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Speaker 1: with the quarterback position, right, So what do you do?

482
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Speaker 1: I mean, look, I think the reality to it is

483
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Speaker 1: who they hire is going to tell you a lot

484
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Speaker 1: about their quarterback plans. Right. If it's a guy who

485
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Speaker 1: comes in and he's tied to a quarterback, you can

486
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Speaker 1: go one of these vets that might be on the market.

487
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Speaker 1: Maybe you could go get a you could go get

488
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Speaker 1: a Kyler Murray who could be available somebody else to

489
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Speaker 1: kind of keep it going for a year or two,

490
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Speaker 1: and then when the quarterback you want is in the draft,

491
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Speaker 1: go get it. You could stick with the two young quarterbacks,

492
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Speaker 1: build up their roster around them, and then again if

493
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Speaker 1: they work great. If they don't, you're kind of punting

494
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Speaker 1: for a year and continue to fill the kind of

495
00:24:09,960 --> 00:24:12,359
Speaker 1: your coffers as you save money in the quarterbacks. So

496
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Speaker 1: a lot of things you can do. I put you

497
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Speaker 1: in charge of the Cleveland Browns, knowing that Andrew Berry

498
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Speaker 1: drafted one of them may be drafted to I don't

499
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Speaker 1: know if the owner drafted Shad or I don't know,

500
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Speaker 1: but you and I have watched a bunch of Browns games.

501
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Speaker 1: Who do you hire and how do you approach quarterback?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean I would like to hire a previous

503
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Speaker 3: head coach. I want some stability. And I know that

504
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Speaker 3: Stefanski looks like he's going to get a job based

505
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Speaker 3: off the amount of interviews he's going to so I

506
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Speaker 3: think he's gonna be a head coach to where else.

507
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Speaker 3: But I'd like to get some stability, and I think

508
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Speaker 3: I might actually go for a defensive head coach and

509
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Speaker 3: rebuild what I think offensively they need to do. I

510
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Speaker 3: look at the two quarterbacks and say I would keep them,

511
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Speaker 3: and whoever wins is the number two. But I think

512
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Speaker 3: you're to your point. I think you have to go

513
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Speaker 3: out there and look at the available quarterbacks, whether it's

514
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Speaker 3: via trade or you know that's going to hit free agency,

515
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Speaker 3: and whether it's a Kirk Cousins and like, hey, look

516
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Speaker 3: like you said, keep the boat ashore and see what happens.

517
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Speaker 4: It could be.

518
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Speaker 3: Davis Mills, because that's a player that I still I'm

519
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Speaker 3: not fully sure that he's a bust in terms of

520
00:25:11,280 --> 00:25:13,480
Speaker 3: what he could be. Now that the Houston Texas have

521
00:25:13,560 --> 00:25:15,520
Speaker 3: got a real football team around it, who would c J.

522
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Speaker 4: Stroud has been able to do.

523
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Speaker 3: He's a guy that's kind of little intriguing to I

524
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Speaker 3: think I'd passed on Kyler Murray just because I'm worried

525
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Speaker 3: about what everybody feels. And so I think I'm looking

526
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Speaker 3: for more of that stability type of player like again,

527
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Speaker 3: one that can get me through a season. But in

528
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Speaker 3: no way am I going to walk in with Gabriel

529
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Speaker 3: or should or Sanders as my possible number one or

530
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Speaker 3: else I've failed as a GM.

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Speaker 1: Okay, can Shadoor be in number two? And here's why

532
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Speaker 1: I ask? Okay, And maybe it changes if you bring

533
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Speaker 1: in a new coach and he has complete control. But

534
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Speaker 1: you know how this works. The backup quarterback is there

535
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Speaker 1: for one purpose, to get the starter ready, right, and

536
00:25:52,640 --> 00:25:55,320
Speaker 1: the backup quarterback college football, your backup quarterback can be

537
00:25:55,320 --> 00:25:58,560
Speaker 1: your most popular guy the NFL. It cannot, right, It's

538
00:25:58,600 --> 00:26:03,320
Speaker 1: all about who that starter is. So can you have

539
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Speaker 1: Shador Sanders as your backup quarterback? Is as the plan?

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Speaker 3: I think that's the conversation I have with Shador Sanders

541
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Speaker 3: one on one or with.

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Speaker 4: The head coach. The new head coach like, hey, look, we'll.

543
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Speaker 3: Give you an opportunity to compete for a roster spot,

544
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Speaker 3: but we're not saying you're going to be number one

545
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Speaker 3: or number two or number three. How it plays out,

546
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Speaker 3: how do you feel about that? And talk to him,

547
00:26:22,640 --> 00:26:25,320
Speaker 3: let him say to you, Yeah, coach, as long as

548
00:26:25,359 --> 00:26:27,159
Speaker 3: I get a fair shot of competing or whatever it

549
00:26:27,240 --> 00:26:30,320
Speaker 3: might be, I'm in. And I'll tell him. I'll tell Shador,

550
00:26:30,359 --> 00:26:32,600
Speaker 3: and I would tell his dad and I would tell him.

551
00:26:32,760 --> 00:26:34,920
Speaker 3: They all know it's a business. And so just because

552
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Speaker 3: you're sitting here today and it's January seventeenth, doesn't mean

553
00:26:38,160 --> 00:26:39,880
Speaker 3: that you know, come February twenty eighth, that I don't

554
00:26:39,920 --> 00:26:42,280
Speaker 3: have another player in the building. So you can't assume anything.

555
00:26:42,520 --> 00:26:44,200
Speaker 3: You just got to compete to make it. This league's

556
00:26:44,240 --> 00:26:46,600
Speaker 3: tough and we're rotating players all the time. But do

557
00:26:46,680 --> 00:26:48,439
Speaker 3: you want to compete here and be part of this

558
00:26:48,800 --> 00:26:50,600
Speaker 3: or do you want to not compete here and feel

559
00:26:50,600 --> 00:26:52,600
Speaker 3: like you've got a better opportunity somewhere else. And if

560
00:26:52,600 --> 00:26:54,600
Speaker 3: he feels like, look, I'd rather be somewhere else. I'd

561
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Speaker 3: like to be in Dallas because I don't think Dak

562
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Speaker 3: Prescott's going to play good. And that's my dad's team

563
00:26:59,000 --> 00:27:01,680
Speaker 3: where he ended up playing, really having a great tough career. Fine,

564
00:27:01,840 --> 00:27:04,119
Speaker 3: you know, I don't want it to be where no

565
00:27:04,119 --> 00:27:05,960
Speaker 3: matter what, I want him to onboard and saying I

566
00:27:05,960 --> 00:27:07,840
Speaker 3: want to compete here, or I don't know if it's

567
00:27:07,880 --> 00:27:09,520
Speaker 3: a great opportunity for me coaching. If it's not a

568
00:27:09,520 --> 00:27:11,160
Speaker 3: great opportunity, then let's ship you out.

569
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Speaker 1: I want to ask you about the Bears in terms

570
00:27:13,840 --> 00:27:17,280
Speaker 1: of the long term sustainability. Right, don't get me wrong.

571
00:27:17,440 --> 00:27:20,359
Speaker 1: If you're a Bears fan, you've been in it, you know,

572
00:27:20,480 --> 00:27:22,720
Speaker 1: for fifteen years. I mean, ex, Rex Grossman went to

573
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Speaker 1: the Super Bowl and there are questions about whether or

574
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Speaker 1: not he should be the starting quarterback in the Super Bowl. Right,

575
00:27:26,359 --> 00:27:29,600
Speaker 1: they've they've been through this before. A couple of things

576
00:27:29,680 --> 00:27:32,240
Speaker 1: jumped out to me. Even the Packers game. I thought

577
00:27:32,280 --> 00:27:34,080
Speaker 1: they I thought when they were cute and tried to

578
00:27:34,160 --> 00:27:37,320
Speaker 1: run trick plays, I thought, I don't, no, I did

579
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Speaker 1: not think of work. I think it took away from

580
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Speaker 1: the fact they're a pretty good football team, and it's

581
00:27:42,080 --> 00:27:45,040
Speaker 1: like they it's almost like Johnson Ben Johnson has to

582
00:27:45,040 --> 00:27:47,480
Speaker 1: be cute and like, no, you're actually good at just

583
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Speaker 1: calling plays. Second part I thought, is, boy, he just

584
00:27:52,400 --> 00:27:56,920
Speaker 1: not very accurate at times. Right, and you know, great,

585
00:27:57,000 --> 00:27:58,600
Speaker 1: you got to the playoffs, But you have your if

586
00:27:58,600 --> 00:28:01,120
Speaker 1: you're a Bears, you have your sites much bigger, and

587
00:28:01,320 --> 00:28:03,840
Speaker 1: you're what a year away from figuring out if you

588
00:28:03,880 --> 00:28:07,000
Speaker 1: want to give this guy a massive contract extension, and

589
00:28:07,359 --> 00:28:09,800
Speaker 1: I'm not sure if Caleb Williams has demanded that based

590
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Speaker 1: upon his play. And then the last thing is I

591
00:28:13,600 --> 00:28:15,720
Speaker 1: thought it hurt two years ago when Detroit was in

592
00:28:15,760 --> 00:28:18,440
Speaker 1: San Francisco. Should have won the game, but odd decisions

593
00:28:18,440 --> 00:28:20,679
Speaker 1: as to when they went forward on fourth when they didn't,

594
00:28:21,320 --> 00:28:23,639
Speaker 1: and I thought they put themselves in bad position in

595
00:28:23,680 --> 00:28:26,240
Speaker 1: the first half constantly going for it on fourth down. Again,

596
00:28:26,480 --> 00:28:28,560
Speaker 1: the need to be cute instead of just being solid

597
00:28:28,560 --> 00:28:31,080
Speaker 1: and win the football game. So here's the question mark.

598
00:28:31,119 --> 00:28:32,879
Speaker 1: It was a very long way of getting into it,

599
00:28:33,240 --> 00:28:37,200
Speaker 1: which is is what they're building sustainable in the style

600
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Speaker 1: in which they're building.

601
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Speaker 3: So I'm with you. Caleb performed well this season, no

602
00:28:43,000 --> 00:28:45,600
Speaker 3: doubt about it. To me, the one hundred percent thing

603
00:28:45,640 --> 00:28:48,400
Speaker 3: that the Bears did last offseason was fixing that offensive line,

604
00:28:48,440 --> 00:28:51,920
Speaker 3: and really that has been the real reason why Caleb

605
00:28:51,960 --> 00:28:53,720
Speaker 3: has been a little more successful because they had a

606
00:28:53,720 --> 00:28:55,480
Speaker 3: little more time. When you put a joke Douni in

607
00:28:55,520 --> 00:28:57,760
Speaker 3: there and Drew Dollman what they were able to do

608
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Speaker 3: in terms of building offensive line. To me, that is everything,

609
00:29:00,920 --> 00:29:03,520
Speaker 3: and so that's where the foundation is and can they

610
00:29:03,600 --> 00:29:06,560
Speaker 3: keep that together. I am not as confident either, you know.

611
00:29:06,600 --> 00:29:08,080
Speaker 3: I feel like this could be a really rough game

612
00:29:08,120 --> 00:29:10,800
Speaker 3: for the Chicago Bears. I'm happy to see them, you know,

613
00:29:10,840 --> 00:29:13,680
Speaker 3: being able to rebound the way they have, but I'm

614
00:29:13,720 --> 00:29:15,800
Speaker 3: still wanting to see another full season out of Caleb

615
00:29:15,880 --> 00:29:18,520
Speaker 3: Williams before I even think about an extension, and I

616
00:29:18,520 --> 00:29:20,840
Speaker 3: almost would like to see two more seasons. Quite frankly,

617
00:29:21,120 --> 00:29:22,800
Speaker 3: I don't know what their rush is for all these

618
00:29:22,840 --> 00:29:25,200
Speaker 3: general managers to sign the guy quickly after year three

619
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Speaker 3: and give them seventy million dollars a year. I mean,

620
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Speaker 3: if that's the going market, I would rather wait till

621
00:29:29,960 --> 00:29:32,640
Speaker 3: after year four, like give me more information, and I

622
00:29:32,640 --> 00:29:34,960
Speaker 3: think Caleb still has to give you more information. Great

623
00:29:35,000 --> 00:29:37,120
Speaker 3: season of what they've been able to do. This one's

624
00:29:37,120 --> 00:29:39,120
Speaker 3: going to be very interesting in terms of cornerback play,

625
00:29:39,160 --> 00:29:40,680
Speaker 3: and certainly the wind and the weather are going to

626
00:29:40,680 --> 00:29:43,600
Speaker 3: be part of this whole conversation as well. But you know,

627
00:29:43,680 --> 00:29:45,480
Speaker 3: I think if you're telling me which one's going to

628
00:29:45,520 --> 00:29:49,000
Speaker 3: struggle more and bad weather as much as Caleb practices it.

629
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Speaker 3: Stafford still has a better arm even today.

630
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Speaker 1: Yeah, and he done it. He's done it more often.

631
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Speaker 1: He's done it more often. You do all you get, Mark,

632
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Speaker 1: This is awesome. You can't wait to do this some more.

633
00:29:58,320 --> 00:30:00,000
Speaker 1: Thanks so much for doing us in the Doug Otleip Show.

634
00:30:00,200 --> 00:30:01,040
Speaker 4: My pleasure, buddy.

635
00:30:04,920 --> 00:30:06,880
Speaker 1: All right, let's turn to baseball now, as we welcome

636
00:30:06,920 --> 00:30:08,400
Speaker 1: in a dear friend of mine. He's a seven time

637
00:30:08,440 --> 00:30:11,800
Speaker 1: All Star, four times Silver Slugger, and most notably, most recently,

638
00:30:12,640 --> 00:30:16,040
Speaker 1: he produces baseball stars. Okay, right, Jackson's number one overall pick.

639
00:30:16,200 --> 00:30:19,480
Speaker 1: He starts for the Baltimore Baltimore Orioles Ethan was the

640
00:30:19,720 --> 00:30:23,440
Speaker 1: fourth overall pick. Team that selected Matt in the draft

641
00:30:23,440 --> 00:30:26,000
Speaker 1: as well, with the Colorado Rockies, and he's in their

642
00:30:26,040 --> 00:30:28,880
Speaker 1: farm system, getting ready in a month to report to

643
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Speaker 1: his first kind of official spring training. Matt Holliday joins

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Speaker 1: us now on the Doug Gottlieb Show. Are the Dodgers

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Speaker 1: ruining baseball?

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Speaker 2: I don't think so. I mean I think I think.

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Speaker 6: Look, yeah, I think every team could afford that contract

648
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Speaker 6: with Kyle Tucker.

649
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Speaker 2: They got a great deal. On the show.

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Speaker 6: Hey deal with him? Giving him all that backloaded flexibility.

651
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Speaker 6: I certainly think the perception amongst you know, most of

652
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Speaker 6: the people that are following baseball is this is going

653
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Speaker 6: to lead us to some sort of work stoppage or

654
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Speaker 6: salary cap or some sort of This is kind of

655
00:31:09,920 --> 00:31:13,800
Speaker 6: the last straw of the current system that the Dodgers

656
00:31:13,800 --> 00:31:16,360
Speaker 6: can continue to spend this kind of money where you

657
00:31:16,440 --> 00:31:19,560
Speaker 6: have the smaller market teams crying poor and that they

658
00:31:19,560 --> 00:31:22,479
Speaker 6: have no chance to win now because the Dodgers can

659
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Speaker 6: simply just buy all the best players. And so I think,

660
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Speaker 6: you know, that's probably where we're headed. I think there

661
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Speaker 6: could be some sort of work stoppage in twenty seven.

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Speaker 6: But I again, Doug, I think these owners have the ability.

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Speaker 6: There's have the ability to spend that kind of money

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Speaker 6: that are just choosing not to. I mean, they just

665
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Speaker 6: the payroll the Dodgers are willing to have. And obviously

666
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Speaker 6: when you have a bigger market and wealthier owners, you

667
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Speaker 6: can spend more money.

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Speaker 2: But I don't think they're ruining baseball.

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Speaker 6: But I do think it's going to It's going to

670
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Speaker 6: bring something to a head soon.

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Speaker 1: Oh Okay, let's go. Let's go to the Brewers. Because

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Speaker 1: now if you're a Brewer fan, You're sitting there going like,

673
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Speaker 1: how do we compete with that? And yet in the

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Speaker 1: regular season they do. First, I have my own perception,

675
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Speaker 1: but I'm just a basketball coach and just a sports fan.

676
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Speaker 1: Why are why have the Brewers? Why they look so

677
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Speaker 1: different in the playoffs as opposed to the regular season.

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Speaker 6: Well, they're pitching was a little banged up, I think,

679
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Speaker 6: if I remember correctly, in the in the postseason. Look,

680
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Speaker 6: I think the postseason, you know, is a little bit

681
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Speaker 6: of a crap shoot. You need you need, I mean

682
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Speaker 6: as I say that the Dodgers won with great starting

683
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Speaker 6: pitching one year.

684
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Speaker 2: In the year before that, they won with great relief pitching.

685
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Speaker 6: But typically, you know, you win with with a couple

686
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Speaker 6: of horses in front of your rotation. I don't think

687
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Speaker 6: they hit enough home runs. I think you win in

688
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Speaker 6: the postseason by hitting home runs.

689
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Speaker 1: So pitching, power pitching, power hitting, your power hitting guy.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think so. I mean, I think so. I think.

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Speaker 1: Such a meathead. That's just such a meadhead answer. That

692
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Speaker 1: really is power pitching power. Don't you win now with bullpens?

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Speaker 2: Yeah?

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Speaker 1: I mean, and defense and timely hitting. And that's what

695
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Speaker 1: they had all season long.

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Speaker 2: Yeah you can.

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Speaker 6: And I think that that's again, I think that the

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Speaker 6: I don't think that there's a magic reason. I mean,

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Speaker 6: I don't think there's one thing you can point to

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Speaker 6: and go, this is why the Brewers are very successful

701
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Speaker 6: in the regular season and haven't been able to do

702
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Speaker 6: it in the postseason. I mean, the Dodgers are are

703
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Speaker 6: they're they're you know, they're extremely talented, and they have

704
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Speaker 6: a lot of great players, and they have Hall of

705
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Speaker 6: Fame players up and down their roster. And during the

706
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Speaker 6: regular season, you're gonna lose some games, you may not

707
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Speaker 6: wind up with the best record, but when you get

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Speaker 6: into a seven game or a five game series with

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Speaker 6: a team with that much talent, they're really hard to beat.

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Speaker 6: I mean they have, you know, they have some of

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Speaker 6: you know, Shoe Otani's maybe the greatest player that's ever

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Speaker 6: put on a uniform, and Freddie Freeman has been incredible

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Speaker 6: in the postseason, and they have Mookie Betts and they

714
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Speaker 6: have you know, they have an amazing team. But that

715
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Speaker 6: doesn't always mean you'll have the best record in the

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Speaker 6: regular season. So I love that about baseball. I think

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Speaker 6: that you can win different ways, like you just talked

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Speaker 6: about I think you can win with pitching and defense

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Speaker 6: and timely hitting and bullpen, and but I think sometimes

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Speaker 6: when you run into a team that has that kind

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Speaker 6: of talent and in a series, it can be very difficult.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you just get kind of overwhelmed. Yeah, you just

723
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Speaker 1: get overwhelmed. One of the things for people who don't

724
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Speaker 1: know Matt is kind of a hitting savant, right like you.

725
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Speaker 1: Agencies send hitters to you in the off season for

726
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Speaker 1: you to help get them right, rediscover their swing. And

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Speaker 1: you and I have discussed hitting for a long time,

728
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Speaker 1: and obviously you see it on a completely different level

729
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Speaker 1: than even other star Major leaguers. And one of the

730
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Speaker 1: things that's always impressed me is you can look at

731
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Speaker 1: somebody's swing and say he's gonna he's gonna hit well

732
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Speaker 1: for a long time. Where you can look at it.

733
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Speaker 1: There's guys that have great years that you're like, there's

734
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Speaker 1: a hole there and it's going to get exposed. Jackson

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Speaker 1: Curio right two years in he looks amazing, But again,

736
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Speaker 1: is there a hole there? What are your thoughts on

737
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Speaker 1: what his trajectory is going to look like?

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Speaker 6: Yeah, extremely talented. I think he's a he's got a

739
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Speaker 6: chance to be a perennial All Star. I think he

740
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Speaker 6: makes adjustments. Well, he had a lull this year. Some

741
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Speaker 6: people call it sophomore slump. You know, we talked about,

742
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Speaker 6: you know, teams start to figure out, you know, maybe

743
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Speaker 6: a hole. They find a hole and they and they

744
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Speaker 6: just live there until the hitter makes an adjustment. But

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Speaker 6: I thought he did a really good job of making

746
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Speaker 6: the adjustment. I think he's you know, he's he's gonna

747
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Speaker 6: hit for our average. He's got he's got power. That's

748
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Speaker 6: a good place to hit homers. So I think he's

749
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Speaker 6: gonna hit maybe more homers. Uh there, then maybe if

750
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Speaker 6: he was in a more of a pitching friendly park.

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Speaker 2: But I like him a lot.

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Speaker 6: I think he's uh, you know, he's he's extremely young.

753
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Speaker 6: He's I think he's gonna be a you know, one

754
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Speaker 6: of these three four five.

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Speaker 2: Hundred million dollar players at some point.

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Speaker 6: So if I was a Brewers fan or a Brewer's

757
00:36:35,840 --> 00:36:38,239
Speaker 6: front office, he'd be a guy that i'd be. I'd

758
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Speaker 6: be trying to get him locked up. And maybe they have.

759
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Speaker 6: I think they did.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think they did.

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Speaker 1: They did the long term thing.

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Speaker 6: Okay, yeah, great, Yeah, that's I mean That's what I

763
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Speaker 6: would have done. I mean, I think he's going to

764
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Speaker 6: be a great player.

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Speaker 2: I think I like him a lot. I think he's

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Speaker 2: but next.

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Speaker 6: Year and maybe the next year he's your he's your

768
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Speaker 6: three hole for the next you know, however long you

769
00:37:01,040 --> 00:37:03,680
Speaker 6: can keep him. Uh, you just pencil him in into

770
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Speaker 6: that three hole and an All Star kind of player.

771
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Speaker 2: So I'm a I'm a big fan of his.

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Speaker 1: Mis came in obviously into the season, actually got into

773
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Speaker 1: the All Star Game, and I mean, his stuff is

774
00:37:16,360 --> 00:37:18,680
Speaker 1: just electric. People started to hit him later on the year.

775
00:37:19,880 --> 00:37:21,520
Speaker 1: You know, his last ten starts, he got lit up,

776
00:37:21,719 --> 00:37:23,960
Speaker 1: got lit up, gave up some runs a little bit.

777
00:37:25,360 --> 00:37:28,560
Speaker 1: When do you know where when a guy is sustainable? Right,

778
00:37:28,600 --> 00:37:31,720
Speaker 1: because they all come in young and they have unbelievable stuff.

779
00:37:32,000 --> 00:37:35,000
Speaker 1: But then whether it's injuries or people start to figure

780
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Speaker 1: out or tipping pitches. You know your thoughts on Mis

781
00:37:38,719 --> 00:37:42,520
Speaker 1: and when we'll know if that early success is sustainable.

782
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Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean, I think obviously the fastball velocity overwhelmed

783
00:37:48,800 --> 00:37:53,319
Speaker 6: guys a little bit early, and then you know, his

784
00:37:53,320 --> 00:37:58,799
Speaker 6: his breaking ball is so hard that if it's if

785
00:37:58,840 --> 00:38:03,239
Speaker 6: he's executing those who pitches we saw you saw what

786
00:38:03,280 --> 00:38:06,280
Speaker 6: could happen now? You know, if he if his command

787
00:38:06,760 --> 00:38:08,960
Speaker 6: is a little erratic and he starts to fall behind

788
00:38:09,000 --> 00:38:12,040
Speaker 6: in predictable counts, Uh, you start to have to throw

789
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Speaker 6: your fastball in fastball counts. I think that's when it

790
00:38:15,520 --> 00:38:18,719
Speaker 6: doesn't matter if you throw a hundred and two. If

791
00:38:18,800 --> 00:38:21,000
Speaker 6: big league hitters know that you have to come to

792
00:38:21,040 --> 00:38:24,560
Speaker 6: the middle of the play and hitters counts, they're they're

793
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Speaker 6: going to be able to do damage.

794
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Speaker 2: And so uh for a guy like him, Uh, to me, it's.

795
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Speaker 6: It's going to be because eventually that velo is gonna

796
00:38:33,239 --> 00:38:35,400
Speaker 6: come down a little bit as he gets older. But

797
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Speaker 6: how his second and third pitch development continues. Obviously, like

798
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Speaker 6: I said, when his slider is on, it's disgusting. I

799
00:38:42,880 --> 00:38:46,719
Speaker 6: think he's shown signs of of having a good change up.

800
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Speaker 2: But what separates you know, incredible stuff.

801
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Speaker 6: To to to a guy that you can pencil in

802
00:38:55,120 --> 00:38:58,520
Speaker 6: as an ace that wins fifteen to twenty games every

803
00:38:58,600 --> 00:39:01,280
Speaker 6: year with an e r A and the high twos

804
00:39:01,520 --> 00:39:05,759
Speaker 6: low twos. Somewhere in there I think is uh consistency

805
00:39:05,960 --> 00:39:09,399
Speaker 6: with command. And if he can command the ball, then

806
00:39:09,560 --> 00:39:12,040
Speaker 6: even if his VLO drops a little bit, you know,

807
00:39:12,080 --> 00:39:16,359
Speaker 6: in the next five six years, which typically it will

808
00:39:16,360 --> 00:39:18,480
Speaker 6: come down a little bit. You still got to be

809
00:39:18,480 --> 00:39:20,839
Speaker 6: able to pitch. And I think that's where the second, third,

810
00:39:20,840 --> 00:39:24,239
Speaker 6: and fourth pitches. Uh, the guys the best, the best

811
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Speaker 6: guys like Kershaw and Bumgardner and some of these guys

812
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Speaker 6: that have you know, they they developed a pitch kind

813
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Speaker 6: of every couple of years. Remember when I first broke in,

814
00:39:35,960 --> 00:39:39,200
Speaker 6: Kershaw was just fastball, curveball, and then he developed that

815
00:39:39,480 --> 00:39:43,960
Speaker 6: slider that became like his uh yeah, his signature pitch.

816
00:39:44,160 --> 00:39:47,640
Speaker 6: And and then so Bumgardner too, Like he came in

817
00:39:47,760 --> 00:39:50,560
Speaker 6: as a kind of a four seam cutter guy, and

818
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Speaker 6: then all of a sudden, you know, he developed a

819
00:39:52,520 --> 00:39:55,040
Speaker 6: high end breaking ball, curveball to slow slow you know,

820
00:39:55,080 --> 00:39:57,400
Speaker 6: it was a slow pitch because all this stuff was

821
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Speaker 6: so firm.

822
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Speaker 2: So it's uh, it's got you know, guys.

823
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Speaker 6: Like that, they they they're able to add pitches and

824
00:40:03,239 --> 00:40:08,440
Speaker 6: and uh and continue to make their repertoire unpredictable and

825
00:40:08,440 --> 00:40:10,799
Speaker 6: and and and throw strikes and and be able to

826
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Speaker 6: use those pitches and hitters counts. So that'll be you know,

827
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Speaker 6: that'll be the thing to watch for with him. And

828
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Speaker 6: I'm sure they're there their coaches know that.

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Speaker 1: I like these you still go repertoire instead of repertoire, right,

830
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Speaker 1: you know, like you're you're still still water Oklahoma.

831
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Speaker 2: Right, Yeah, I'm high school educated. I don't even know.

832
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Speaker 1: Yeah, no, I mean, listen you. I don't like when

833
00:40:34,000 --> 00:40:37,399
Speaker 1: people pick and shoes which one they go with, the

834
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Speaker 1: you know, proper pronunciation of it. You know, it's like

835
00:40:40,960 --> 00:40:43,920
Speaker 1: we play on a soccer field, not a pitch. You

836
00:40:43,960 --> 00:40:46,759
Speaker 1: don't have to say why. You can say Uruguay. And

837
00:40:46,800 --> 00:40:50,000
Speaker 1: it's a foyer, not a foyer, right, it's a it's

838
00:40:50,160 --> 00:40:53,200
Speaker 1: you know, it's a beer, it's not a bottle of beer.

839
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Speaker 1: I want to ask you about the Cards. Of course,

840
00:40:55,080 --> 00:40:56,839
Speaker 1: you want a world series with the Cards. You're kind

841
00:40:56,840 --> 00:41:02,320
Speaker 1: of synonymous, uh with with the Cards. Gone are the days,

842
00:41:02,360 --> 00:41:05,680
Speaker 1: at least in the last three years of the ninety

843
00:41:05,680 --> 00:41:09,120
Speaker 1: win seasons, let alone one hundred win seasons, right, And

844
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Speaker 1: we talk about what the Brewers have done and their

845
00:41:11,280 --> 00:41:14,719
Speaker 1: ability to sustain this thing. Where are the Cardinals, not

846
00:41:14,840 --> 00:41:17,360
Speaker 1: just in that division, but as an organization in the

847
00:41:17,400 --> 00:41:20,399
Speaker 1: attempt to rebuild it back to to the glory days

848
00:41:20,400 --> 00:41:21,160
Speaker 1: of when you were there.

849
00:41:22,360 --> 00:41:24,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, so there's a transition going on.

850
00:41:24,160 --> 00:41:27,919
Speaker 6: Obviously, John Mozaylock is out of the organization as far

851
00:41:28,000 --> 00:41:32,840
Speaker 6: as making any decisions go h with personnel, and he'm Bloom,

852
00:41:32,880 --> 00:41:37,000
Speaker 6: who's kind of been a close eyed GM the last

853
00:41:37,320 --> 00:41:38,040
Speaker 6: two years.

854
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Speaker 2: Kind of this transition period.

855
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Speaker 6: I you know, it was kind of weird for me

856
00:41:42,840 --> 00:41:45,480
Speaker 6: just on the outside looking in to have two GMS

857
00:41:45,640 --> 00:41:48,000
Speaker 6: or you know, a GM and waiting who had already

858
00:41:48,000 --> 00:41:49,760
Speaker 6: been a GM.

859
00:41:50,520 --> 00:41:52,560
Speaker 2: So it wasn't kind of it wasn't like a mentorship

860
00:41:52,680 --> 00:41:53,239
Speaker 2: type of deal.

861
00:41:53,440 --> 00:41:55,600
Speaker 6: You know, Heim Bloom had already been a GM, and

862
00:41:55,680 --> 00:41:58,960
Speaker 6: so he was you know, busy, you know, redeveloping the

863
00:41:58,960 --> 00:42:01,879
Speaker 6: minor league system, sort of catching up with a lot

864
00:42:01,920 --> 00:42:04,279
Speaker 6: of the stuff where they felt they had felt like

865
00:42:04,320 --> 00:42:08,600
Speaker 6: they've kind of fallen behind on some of the you know,

866
00:42:08,719 --> 00:42:10,880
Speaker 6: the R and D and the and then and just

867
00:42:11,000 --> 00:42:15,120
Speaker 6: the minor league system of development that they had fallen behind,

868
00:42:15,160 --> 00:42:17,440
Speaker 6: and the and the cupboard has gotten had gotten a

869
00:42:17,440 --> 00:42:20,760
Speaker 6: little bear with with with their minor leagues.

870
00:42:20,840 --> 00:42:21,720
Speaker 2: So he's been.

871
00:42:23,080 --> 00:42:25,640
Speaker 6: And you know, kind of behind the scenes working on

872
00:42:25,880 --> 00:42:28,720
Speaker 6: getting the pharm system back up and and producing and

873
00:42:28,719 --> 00:42:31,600
Speaker 6: and uh now he takes over as the full time

874
00:42:31,960 --> 00:42:37,239
Speaker 6: I guess President Baseball operations slash GM running the organization

875
00:42:37,480 --> 00:42:39,359
Speaker 6: as far as the you know, the big league team goes.

876
00:42:39,440 --> 00:42:43,360
Speaker 6: So they trade aeron Otto, they trade contrarists, they trade

877
00:42:43,360 --> 00:42:43,960
Speaker 6: Sonny Gray.

878
00:42:46,440 --> 00:42:49,600
Speaker 2: You know, I don't know how good the pitchers are.

879
00:42:49,640 --> 00:42:52,000
Speaker 6: They got back A couple of them have been in

880
00:42:52,000 --> 00:42:53,160
Speaker 6: the big leagues a little bit.

881
00:42:55,280 --> 00:42:57,840
Speaker 2: I don't know what they got in return.

882
00:42:58,360 --> 00:43:03,359
Speaker 6: A lot of it feels like salary relief, certainly Aeronatto

883
00:43:04,080 --> 00:43:06,720
Speaker 6: for a guy that hasn't thrown a professional pitch yet,

884
00:43:06,840 --> 00:43:10,080
Speaker 6: and they threw in most of the money.

885
00:43:10,719 --> 00:43:11,560
Speaker 2: Til I a giveaway.

886
00:43:12,000 --> 00:43:15,839
Speaker 1: So what I guess the question is what's the plan? Right? Yeah,

887
00:43:15,520 --> 00:43:17,440
Speaker 1: I'm okay. If the plan is all right, Hey this

888
00:43:17,560 --> 00:43:19,719
Speaker 1: year they're gonna dump a bunch of money and they're

889
00:43:19,760 --> 00:43:22,279
Speaker 1: just gonna build farm system and load up and it's

890
00:43:22,280 --> 00:43:25,919
Speaker 1: gonna be a slow build. Or is the plan again

891
00:43:26,040 --> 00:43:27,920
Speaker 1: like what, I I don't know what the plan is.

892
00:43:27,960 --> 00:43:28,919
Speaker 1: That that's a big thing.

893
00:43:29,440 --> 00:43:33,719
Speaker 6: Yeah, I agree, That's kind of been what I've I've

894
00:43:33,719 --> 00:43:37,120
Speaker 6: talked about in various platforms, is is that are you

895
00:43:37,160 --> 00:43:40,040
Speaker 6: going to Are they freeing up that money to put

896
00:43:40,080 --> 00:43:43,400
Speaker 6: that money back into the roster. Are they freeing that

897
00:43:43,480 --> 00:43:47,200
Speaker 6: money to to to hit free agency next year. Are

898
00:43:47,239 --> 00:43:49,880
Speaker 6: they freeing that money up to hit free agency in

899
00:43:49,920 --> 00:43:54,040
Speaker 6: two years or are they putting that money in into

900
00:43:54,480 --> 00:43:56,360
Speaker 6: minor league coaching or development.

901
00:43:56,880 --> 00:43:57,239
Speaker 2: I don't know.

902
00:43:57,320 --> 00:44:01,120
Speaker 6: I think as a Cardinal fan, you just kind of go, yeah,

903
00:44:01,160 --> 00:44:04,880
Speaker 6: what is the plan? And how good are our young players?

904
00:44:05,640 --> 00:44:08,440
Speaker 6: You know they have They have several young players to

905
00:44:08,480 --> 00:44:10,680
Speaker 6: me that you still don't know quite what they are.

906
00:44:11,080 --> 00:44:13,080
Speaker 6: You know, I think Mason Win is a good player.

907
00:44:13,880 --> 00:44:15,439
Speaker 6: I think he's got a potential to be a really

908
00:44:15,440 --> 00:44:18,200
Speaker 6: good player. Uh they have a young prospect named JJ

909
00:44:18,280 --> 00:44:20,200
Speaker 6: Weatherholt who's got a chance to be an All Star

910
00:44:20,560 --> 00:44:23,080
Speaker 6: caliber player. I like his swing a lot, really good hitter,

911
00:44:23,280 --> 00:44:27,080
Speaker 6: good college hitter. First round pick. They picked a pitcher

912
00:44:27,120 --> 00:44:29,440
Speaker 6: from Tennessee who has a great arm in this past draft.

913
00:44:30,040 --> 00:44:33,279
Speaker 6: Uh So, I think there's there's some guys coming. But

914
00:44:33,440 --> 00:44:35,160
Speaker 6: I think as far as when you look at the

915
00:44:35,239 --> 00:44:41,000
Speaker 6: current roster as a fan, I I mean, there's not

916
00:44:41,080 --> 00:44:42,359
Speaker 6: a lot to get excited.

917
00:44:42,000 --> 00:44:43,080
Speaker 2: About to come to the ballpark.

918
00:44:43,120 --> 00:44:46,480
Speaker 6: And last year the fans kind of showed that the

919
00:44:47,160 --> 00:44:51,360
Speaker 6: attendance was way down, and they certainly haven't done anything

920
00:44:51,400 --> 00:44:54,520
Speaker 6: this offseason to to bring them back. As far as

921
00:44:54,560 --> 00:44:57,960
Speaker 6: get them excited. Look at To me, it looks like

922
00:44:57,960 --> 00:45:01,320
Speaker 6: a complete rebuild. They've tried to him and Haw about

923
00:45:01,440 --> 00:45:04,440
Speaker 6: it's a you know, we're just kind of what however

924
00:45:04,480 --> 00:45:05,160
Speaker 6: you want to say it.

925
00:45:05,200 --> 00:45:08,280
Speaker 1: You know, people say reload, right, yeah, building, we're reloading.

926
00:45:08,400 --> 00:45:08,840
Speaker 2: Yeah.

927
00:45:09,239 --> 00:45:12,040
Speaker 6: To me, it's it looks like going down to the studs.

928
00:45:13,280 --> 00:45:17,120
Speaker 6: Kind of more like a Houston Astros situation a few

929
00:45:17,160 --> 00:45:19,880
Speaker 6: years ago, several years ago before.

930
00:45:19,640 --> 00:45:22,360
Speaker 1: They twenty thirteen, I think was the was the was

931
00:45:22,400 --> 00:45:23,520
Speaker 1: the very rock bottom.

932
00:45:23,800 --> 00:45:27,200
Speaker 2: Yeah. So I don't know, it's so interesting.

933
00:45:27,239 --> 00:45:29,680
Speaker 1: Nobody wants to say it. Yeah, but that's the way

934
00:45:29,719 --> 00:45:32,400
Speaker 1: you do it. Yeah, it just it just is right.

935
00:45:32,360 --> 00:45:34,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, Like you don't want to be in the middle.

936
00:45:35,560 --> 00:45:38,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, no, no, in the middle is purgatory.

937
00:45:38,680 --> 00:45:40,879
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, you don't want to be stuck in the middle. Yeah.

938
00:45:40,920 --> 00:45:42,640
Speaker 1: Well, let me let me ask you about something. So

939
00:45:42,840 --> 00:45:45,160
Speaker 1: when I talked to the Brewers guys, they said, look,

940
00:45:45,239 --> 00:45:48,560
Speaker 1: everybody who who's in the field for us was a

941
00:45:48,600 --> 00:45:51,840
Speaker 1: shortstop at some point in their life, in their in

942
00:45:51,880 --> 00:45:55,279
Speaker 1: their in their baseball life. And I do think they

943
00:45:55,280 --> 00:45:58,000
Speaker 1: were ahead of it in terms of when the rules changed.

944
00:45:58,200 --> 00:46:01,799
Speaker 1: You needed more athleticism, right the days of you know,

945
00:46:01,840 --> 00:46:03,799
Speaker 1: shoving a guy in a position and hoping the ball

946
00:46:03,840 --> 00:46:07,560
Speaker 1: didn't go there, and using the offensive analytics I think

947
00:46:07,600 --> 00:46:09,759
Speaker 1: are kind of over plus. You need speed on the

948
00:46:09,800 --> 00:46:16,160
Speaker 1: base paths. Where are you on drafting athletes above maybe

949
00:46:16,440 --> 00:46:18,240
Speaker 1: positional baseball players?

950
00:46:19,280 --> 00:46:21,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean I think that that's sort of been.

951
00:46:23,760 --> 00:46:25,960
Speaker 6: Part of part of baseball for a long time, that

952
00:46:26,200 --> 00:46:29,080
Speaker 6: shortstops can play anywhere on the field. So if you

953
00:46:29,160 --> 00:46:30,800
Speaker 6: if you even if you have a great shortstop and

954
00:46:30,840 --> 00:46:33,799
Speaker 6: there's one available, you draft him. And I think, you know,

955
00:46:33,920 --> 00:46:37,120
Speaker 6: even if you looked at the Orioles, they drafted three

956
00:46:37,160 --> 00:46:39,759
Speaker 6: shortstops in the first round three years in a row,

957
00:46:39,960 --> 00:46:42,680
Speaker 6: with Jordan Westburg, Gunner Henderson Well, Gunner was a second

958
00:46:42,719 --> 00:46:47,239
Speaker 6: round pick, but Jordan, Gunner and Jackson or maybe maybe

959
00:46:47,239 --> 00:46:49,879
Speaker 6: inside of four years they drafted those three players something

960
00:46:49,960 --> 00:46:53,880
Speaker 6: like that, all shortstops coming out of two you know,

961
00:46:54,000 --> 00:46:56,720
Speaker 6: one Jordan was out of college and Jackson and Gunner

962
00:46:56,719 --> 00:46:59,440
Speaker 6: out of high school and they all three, you know,

963
00:46:59,719 --> 00:47:02,400
Speaker 6: can't play shortstop, but you know Jordan plays third and

964
00:47:02,480 --> 00:47:05,680
Speaker 6: Jackson plays second, and so I think this has been

965
00:47:05,719 --> 00:47:09,520
Speaker 6: something where you know, front offices trust if if you

966
00:47:09,560 --> 00:47:12,600
Speaker 6: can play shortstop, they can movee just about anywhere on

967
00:47:12,640 --> 00:47:17,160
Speaker 6: the field, you know, except for maybe catcher or you know,

968
00:47:18,120 --> 00:47:20,600
Speaker 6: but you can pretty much most shortstops can play anywhere else.

969
00:47:20,680 --> 00:47:24,080
Speaker 6: So I think that that's that's interesting, you know that

970
00:47:24,200 --> 00:47:26,440
Speaker 6: the you know, that is kind of the identity of

971
00:47:26,440 --> 00:47:29,759
Speaker 6: the Brewers. A bunch of guys that can play different positions,

972
00:47:30,680 --> 00:47:32,640
Speaker 6: steel bases, manufacturer runs.

973
00:47:33,320 --> 00:47:35,280
Speaker 2: Uh, it's a fun brand of baseball to watch.

974
00:47:36,400 --> 00:47:41,360
Speaker 6: I think Murph embodies that kind of baseball, like he

975
00:47:41,560 --> 00:47:46,759
Speaker 6: likes that action kind of baseball. And and so it's

976
00:47:46,760 --> 00:47:49,160
Speaker 6: been it's been very successful for them, and so.

977
00:47:50,320 --> 00:47:52,360
Speaker 2: They've they've kind of found a niche.

978
00:47:52,120 --> 00:47:57,680
Speaker 6: Of players that maybe some other teams underlooked, are overlooked

979
00:47:58,280 --> 00:48:03,040
Speaker 6: and underappreciate it. And they've they've plugged him into roles

980
00:48:03,160 --> 00:48:04,920
Speaker 6: that have allowed them to have a lot of success.

981
00:48:05,600 --> 00:48:08,200
Speaker 6: And and they've they've put up amazing, you know, win

982
00:48:08,280 --> 00:48:09,719
Speaker 6: totals the last couple of years.

983
00:48:10,400 --> 00:48:12,640
Speaker 1: Matt, great stuff. As always, thanks so much for joining us.

984
00:48:12,680 --> 00:48:14,560
Speaker 1: We look forward to more conversations in the future.

985
00:48:14,880 --> 00:48:15,399
Speaker 2: Sounds good.

986
00:48:19,719 --> 00:48:22,399
Speaker 1: So we welcome in the team captain for the Green

987
00:48:22,400 --> 00:48:26,080
Speaker 1: Bay Phoenix. He's also a minority Packers owner, as so

988
00:48:26,120 --> 00:48:28,879
Speaker 1: many of you are. Preston Rudinger, known as Rudy, joins

989
00:48:28,960 --> 00:48:32,319
Speaker 1: us here on the Doug Gottlieb Show. There's a lot

990
00:48:32,360 --> 00:48:33,719
Speaker 1: there's a lot of want to get to Let let's

991
00:48:33,719 --> 00:48:38,560
Speaker 1: start with this, what do you do with Lafleur if

992
00:48:38,560 --> 00:48:39,440
Speaker 1: you were in charge?

993
00:48:40,480 --> 00:48:44,560
Speaker 5: I'm keeping them too many injuries over the year. Obviously,

994
00:48:44,600 --> 00:48:47,200
Speaker 5: Parsons went down, a cl Craft went down, a cl

995
00:48:47,960 --> 00:48:51,759
Speaker 5: uh DeAndre Wyatt got hurt. She's an ending injury. You know,

996
00:48:51,800 --> 00:48:53,480
Speaker 5: They're just banged up all year. And I feel like

997
00:48:53,800 --> 00:48:56,520
Speaker 5: over the past two seasons we've said that a lot.

998
00:48:57,520 --> 00:48:59,440
Speaker 5: And I think the thing that sucks is the flours.

999
00:48:59,520 --> 00:49:02,600
Speaker 5: I think three and seven now in the playoffs, and

1000
00:49:02,640 --> 00:49:04,839
Speaker 5: you know, being from Green Bay and the franchise we are,

1001
00:49:04,880 --> 00:49:07,440
Speaker 5: we want wins in the playoffs and that's really ultimately

1002
00:49:07,480 --> 00:49:11,640
Speaker 5: what matters. But I feel like now that John signed

1003
00:49:11,680 --> 00:49:14,959
Speaker 5: with the Giants, there's no one better than Matt. I think,

1004
00:49:15,120 --> 00:49:18,439
Speaker 5: you know, our offense puts up numbers and I feel like, yeah,

1005
00:49:18,440 --> 00:49:20,560
Speaker 5: there was a three game stretch there we felt like

1006
00:49:20,560 --> 00:49:23,480
Speaker 5: we couldn't score a touchdown, but I think we keep them.

1007
00:49:23,960 --> 00:49:25,319
Speaker 1: Did you feel that way when the game was over

1008
00:49:25,400 --> 00:49:26,520
Speaker 1: or did you want to fire? No?

1009
00:49:26,760 --> 00:49:30,080
Speaker 5: I wanted I wanted him gone the second after, but

1010
00:49:30,239 --> 00:49:33,759
Speaker 5: I cooled down, took the emotions out of it, and yeah,

1011
00:49:34,160 --> 00:49:34,759
Speaker 5: he's our guy.

1012
00:49:35,000 --> 00:49:38,120
Speaker 1: Okay, I guess there is a certain kind of devil,

1013
00:49:38,200 --> 00:49:41,600
Speaker 1: you know, versus devil you don't, right, sure, And again,

1014
00:49:41,680 --> 00:49:43,799
Speaker 1: like I'll just tell you my position as a coach, like, right,

1015
00:49:43,840 --> 00:49:46,839
Speaker 1: we're looking at like for people to understand when you're

1016
00:49:46,840 --> 00:49:50,120
Speaker 1: looking at your roster, it's not they It's not just

1017
00:49:50,120 --> 00:49:51,640
Speaker 1: that they want to go in the portal. Sometimes you

1018
00:49:51,680 --> 00:49:53,400
Speaker 1: want them to go in the portal. They're like, you know,

1019
00:49:53,520 --> 00:49:58,359
Speaker 1: you should probably think about it, but there is there's

1020
00:49:58,400 --> 00:50:02,319
Speaker 1: a value in retention. On the other hand, being a

1021
00:50:02,360 --> 00:50:04,799
Speaker 1: guy who's also a Charger fan, I can tell you

1022
00:50:04,840 --> 00:50:06,920
Speaker 1: that there's PTSD from those type of losses. Right when

1023
00:50:06,960 --> 00:50:08,560
Speaker 1: they lost to the Jaguars a couple of years ago,

1024
00:50:08,840 --> 00:50:12,120
Speaker 1: they had a big lead to half the next year,

1025
00:50:12,200 --> 00:50:14,080
Speaker 1: there was always there was never a lead where you

1026
00:50:14,120 --> 00:50:17,120
Speaker 1: felt comfortable because of it. So you do just so

1027
00:50:17,200 --> 00:50:20,000
Speaker 1: you understand that the Packers are going to carry that

1028
00:50:20,120 --> 00:50:25,680
Speaker 1: kind of scarlet letter going forward. What is it about

1029
00:50:25,880 --> 00:50:29,040
Speaker 1: his approach, their approach, their team, Jordan love that it

1030
00:50:29,520 --> 00:50:32,400
Speaker 1: does feel like and we have had some of the

1031
00:50:32,400 --> 00:50:36,000
Speaker 1: same problems where closing the deal can be an issue.

1032
00:50:36,360 --> 00:50:39,839
Speaker 5: I just feel like sometimes, you know, inconsistency, I would say,

1033
00:50:40,640 --> 00:50:42,640
Speaker 5: I think like you said, I mean even sometimes we

1034
00:50:42,680 --> 00:50:45,320
Speaker 5: struggle with it. I mean, I feel like the Packers

1035
00:50:45,400 --> 00:50:49,200
Speaker 5: never put forty or sixty minutes together the whole year.

1036
00:50:49,840 --> 00:50:51,959
Speaker 5: They're either really good in the second half where Jordan

1037
00:50:52,040 --> 00:50:55,360
Speaker 5: Love has gotten it in air and out. But you know,

1038
00:50:55,480 --> 00:50:58,000
Speaker 5: I feel like also a run game wasn't as where

1039
00:50:58,000 --> 00:51:00,319
Speaker 5: it needed to be. I think that opened up a

1040
00:51:00,320 --> 00:51:03,120
Speaker 5: lot of the play action stuff, and we're elite, elite

1041
00:51:03,160 --> 00:51:05,840
Speaker 5: at play action. I think that's one of our strong suits.

1042
00:51:06,600 --> 00:51:09,240
Speaker 5: But the other thing, you know that you know, always

1043
00:51:09,280 --> 00:51:10,719
Speaker 5: in the back of my mind is we got to

1044
00:51:10,760 --> 00:51:15,080
Speaker 5: make a kick. I mean, obviously that sucks for McManus,

1045
00:51:15,120 --> 00:51:17,000
Speaker 5: and I know he was injured all year and who

1046
00:51:17,040 --> 00:51:20,840
Speaker 5: knows what his health was like. But that's seven points

1047
00:51:20,840 --> 00:51:23,600
Speaker 5: and fifty five ardor is a long kick in the wind,

1048
00:51:24,040 --> 00:51:26,400
Speaker 5: cold in Chicago. But kind of sucked to me the

1049
00:51:26,400 --> 00:51:28,480
Speaker 5: first one. Obviously they called the time out, but you know,

1050
00:51:28,840 --> 00:51:32,440
Speaker 5: we got to execute, you know, kicking, and then we

1051
00:51:32,520 --> 00:51:35,920
Speaker 5: just need to be I think like Wisconsin football, you know,

1052
00:51:35,960 --> 00:51:39,279
Speaker 5: we ground Ron and pound. That's why we brought Josh

1053
00:51:39,360 --> 00:51:41,840
Speaker 5: Jacobs here, and I think that will even open up

1054
00:51:41,920 --> 00:51:42,799
Speaker 5: Jordan Love even more.

1055
00:51:43,000 --> 00:51:45,160
Speaker 1: Yeah. No, And then when you lose lineman to injuries,

1056
00:51:46,400 --> 00:51:49,360
Speaker 1: that that hurts it. And also you lose Tucker you know,

1057
00:51:49,440 --> 00:51:53,319
Speaker 1: Tucker Craft is just he became the security blanket or

1058
00:51:53,440 --> 00:51:57,880
Speaker 1: Jordan Love, especially in you know, third yard, third down situations,

1059
00:51:57,960 --> 00:52:00,560
Speaker 1: and you lose that type of big target and you know,

1060
00:52:00,640 --> 00:52:02,719
Speaker 1: must Grave just not been that guy. They just haven't

1061
00:52:02,760 --> 00:52:04,920
Speaker 1: had that got Mercedes Lewis was the last guy who

1062
00:52:05,080 --> 00:52:10,240
Speaker 1: was was was that guy for for the Packers? What's

1063
00:52:10,360 --> 00:52:13,520
Speaker 1: cooler as a as an owner of the Packers?

1064
00:52:13,600 --> 00:52:13,759
Speaker 5: Yep?

1065
00:52:14,200 --> 00:52:17,520
Speaker 1: The first ever Packers game or the first Packers game

1066
00:52:17,560 --> 00:52:18,439
Speaker 1: you can drink at?

1067
00:52:19,040 --> 00:52:25,160
Speaker 5: Oh, that's really hard. Did My first ever Packer game

1068
00:52:25,239 --> 00:52:27,160
Speaker 5: was Tom Brady when it came to town in like

1069
00:52:27,160 --> 00:52:29,120
Speaker 5: twenty fourteen when the Packers won.

1070
00:52:29,320 --> 00:52:30,480
Speaker 1: So who you twenty? Then?

1071
00:52:32,600 --> 00:52:35,799
Speaker 5: I think I was eleven, But no, that seeing Tom

1072
00:52:35,840 --> 00:52:38,839
Speaker 5: Brady and Lambeau in just like the atmosphere like it

1073
00:52:38,880 --> 00:52:40,799
Speaker 5: was like, oh my gosh, tom Brady's in town and

1074
00:52:40,840 --> 00:52:44,120
Speaker 5: the Patriots I think it was in twenty fourteen, and

1075
00:52:44,200 --> 00:52:46,120
Speaker 5: I remember they won twenty six to twenty one.

1076
00:52:46,239 --> 00:52:46,640
Speaker 1: Who is the.

1077
00:52:48,160 --> 00:52:52,680
Speaker 5: Packers Packers Packers one? And I think, like, you know,

1078
00:52:53,880 --> 00:52:55,719
Speaker 5: I don't know, having your first beer in Lambo, it's

1079
00:52:55,719 --> 00:52:56,200
Speaker 5: pretty cool.

1080
00:52:56,760 --> 00:52:58,200
Speaker 1: Was when was the first beard? Do you remember that?

1081
00:53:01,520 --> 00:53:03,800
Speaker 5: For airing purpose? We're going to go sometime after No,

1082
00:53:03,920 --> 00:53:04,800
Speaker 5: you can, you don't.

1083
00:53:04,600 --> 00:53:08,280
Speaker 1: Have to, Like, we're real people here. This is Green Bay, Wisconsin.

1084
00:53:08,280 --> 00:53:10,160
Speaker 1: I would have thought, like my first beer in my

1085
00:53:10,160 --> 00:53:12,080
Speaker 1: first game were the same time. What are you talking about?

1086
00:53:12,680 --> 00:53:16,399
Speaker 5: Yeah, well not eleven, but no, it was. It was

1087
00:53:16,480 --> 00:53:19,319
Speaker 5: also a little hard no drinking with Pops around because

1088
00:53:19,320 --> 00:53:22,080
Speaker 5: he was the high school coach could do that. So yeah,

1089
00:53:22,080 --> 00:53:23,360
Speaker 5: well we'll say around college.

1090
00:53:24,480 --> 00:53:28,120
Speaker 1: And that's it's close in comparison because it it is.

1091
00:53:28,239 --> 00:53:31,359
Speaker 1: It's it's part of the whole thing, right, It's again,

1092
00:53:31,400 --> 00:53:33,000
Speaker 1: it's part of the whole thing. It's like one of

1093
00:53:33,040 --> 00:53:37,360
Speaker 1: those I'm a just just just for full disclosure, Okay,

1094
00:53:37,400 --> 00:53:39,200
Speaker 1: So I've been a Charger fan. I always like the

1095
00:53:39,200 --> 00:53:43,120
Speaker 1: Packers born Milwaukee, and when we moved away, Packers were terrible.

1096
00:53:43,160 --> 00:53:45,920
Speaker 1: I was still a Packers fan even in the nineties

1097
00:53:46,440 --> 00:53:50,759
Speaker 1: before far in southern California and then the Rams and

1098
00:53:50,800 --> 00:53:54,120
Speaker 1: the Raiders moved away and nobody liked the Rams and

1099
00:53:54,160 --> 00:53:56,960
Speaker 1: they played right down the street from me and the Raiders.

1100
00:53:57,239 --> 00:54:02,160
Speaker 1: I didn't fit the demo. I just wasn't so so

1101
00:54:02,239 --> 00:54:04,440
Speaker 1: I became a Charger fan because the Chargers had Bobby

1102
00:54:04,520 --> 00:54:07,040
Speaker 1: Ross was their coach. Was like, he's like Boss Ross, right,

1103
00:54:07,080 --> 00:54:11,280
Speaker 1: they had Natron means Natron means business. Was they're running

1104
00:54:11,320 --> 00:54:13,640
Speaker 1: back he's I mean, he'd looked like a lineman back there.

1105
00:54:13,960 --> 00:54:16,600
Speaker 1: And then they had stand the Man Humphreys, which I

1106
00:54:16,600 --> 00:54:18,879
Speaker 1: mean he literally looked like a mechanic back there throwing

1107
00:54:19,000 --> 00:54:21,040
Speaker 1: throwing the football. But somehow they got the Super Bowl.

1108
00:54:21,040 --> 00:54:23,320
Speaker 1: They got blasted by the Niners. I became a Charger

1109
00:54:23,360 --> 00:54:27,279
Speaker 1: fan because the parking is such an issue at so far,

1110
00:54:28,000 --> 00:54:29,919
Speaker 1: and frankly it was a huge issue when they played

1111
00:54:29,920 --> 00:54:34,360
Speaker 1: in the soccer stadium. Pro games in most of the

1112
00:54:34,360 --> 00:54:39,120
Speaker 1: country aren't about tailgating. College games are about tailgate. Lambo's different.

1113
00:54:39,400 --> 00:54:42,600
Speaker 1: Lambo is about the whole day, Like that's your whole day.

1114
00:54:42,840 --> 00:54:44,640
Speaker 1: So I can't tell you how many times, like I've

1115
00:54:44,680 --> 00:54:47,319
Speaker 1: shown up at you know, eleven o'clock for a noon

1116
00:54:47,360 --> 00:54:49,080
Speaker 1: Packer game and people are like, where you been. I

1117
00:54:49,160 --> 00:54:50,520
Speaker 1: was like, well, the game doesn't surf for an hour,

1118
00:54:50,680 --> 00:54:52,680
Speaker 1: like we've been here for like five hours, dude, Like

1119
00:54:52,680 --> 00:54:54,239
Speaker 1: where are you? What are you doing? Like that's not

1120
00:54:54,320 --> 00:54:58,439
Speaker 1: how you do it. So there is something too when

1121
00:54:58,480 --> 00:55:00,640
Speaker 1: you it's one thing to go to Lamb the first

1122
00:55:00,640 --> 00:55:03,040
Speaker 1: time you go. That's cool because you walk in and

1123
00:55:03,080 --> 00:55:07,359
Speaker 1: it literally feels like you're walking back in time. But

1124
00:55:07,560 --> 00:55:10,600
Speaker 1: there's also something about it's almost like you need two trips.

1125
00:55:10,800 --> 00:55:13,279
Speaker 1: This is here you go, Rudy, here's some good old

1126
00:55:13,320 --> 00:55:17,279
Speaker 1: man advice. Right, Okay, when you buy a house, When

1127
00:55:17,280 --> 00:55:20,399
Speaker 1: you buy your first house, okay, you're gonna you're gonna

1128
00:55:20,400 --> 00:55:22,000
Speaker 1: go house hunting and you're gonna walk in the house

1129
00:55:22,040 --> 00:55:24,320
Speaker 1: and be like, oh my god, I love it. And

1130
00:55:24,640 --> 00:55:26,160
Speaker 1: you know, if it's Ama, she's gonna go like, I

1131
00:55:26,200 --> 00:55:28,120
Speaker 1: love it. Let's see this can go here, and this

1132
00:55:28,160 --> 00:55:30,719
Speaker 1: can go here, and this can everything. Especially when it's

1133
00:55:30,760 --> 00:55:34,000
Speaker 1: like fresh paint or it's new or newly redone, you're

1134
00:55:34,040 --> 00:55:36,399
Speaker 1: gonna love everything about it. You're like, I want an offer.

1135
00:55:36,440 --> 00:55:37,840
Speaker 1: I want to do it right now, Like let's do

1136
00:55:37,880 --> 00:55:40,200
Speaker 1: this right now. You start calling your bet, your your

1137
00:55:40,239 --> 00:55:42,680
Speaker 1: your banker, your mortgage guy. You start looking at like

1138
00:55:42,680 --> 00:55:44,399
Speaker 1: how much is insurance? When are we paying a month.

1139
00:55:44,400 --> 00:55:46,480
Speaker 1: How much is gonna put down? Oh, you start calling

1140
00:55:46,560 --> 00:55:48,520
Speaker 1: your dad. Your Dad's like, let me come check it out.

1141
00:55:48,520 --> 00:55:50,960
Speaker 1: You're like, no, no, no, I got this. Okay, what you

1142
00:55:51,000 --> 00:55:52,600
Speaker 1: gotta do is you got to come back the very

1143
00:55:52,680 --> 00:55:56,440
Speaker 1: next day and walk the house. Cause I can tell

1144
00:55:56,480 --> 00:55:59,680
Speaker 1: you I've done this before. Where we were moving from.

1145
00:56:00,239 --> 00:56:03,520
Speaker 1: I left Espno, went to CBS, and it was in

1146
00:56:03,560 --> 00:56:06,359
Speaker 1: twenty twelve, twenty fourteen. They moved me back and we

1147
00:56:06,360 --> 00:56:07,520
Speaker 1: were going to work. I was gonna work out of

1148
00:56:07,520 --> 00:56:09,120
Speaker 1: New York City, and I never forget. We went in

1149
00:56:09,200 --> 00:56:12,719
Speaker 1: this one house that was probably thirty five to forty

1150
00:56:12,719 --> 00:56:14,200
Speaker 1: minutes outside of the city. It was in New York

1151
00:56:15,120 --> 00:56:17,960
Speaker 1: and we went in and I was like, it had

1152
00:56:18,040 --> 00:56:21,120
Speaker 1: five acres in the backyard, had this sick pool, it

1153
00:56:21,200 --> 00:56:23,880
Speaker 1: kind of looked like a resort. Had this little, uh

1154
00:56:23,920 --> 00:56:28,200
Speaker 1: a detached garage, and you know it was it had.

1155
00:56:28,280 --> 00:56:29,959
Speaker 1: It was at the end of a cul de sac,

1156
00:56:30,239 --> 00:56:32,920
Speaker 1: so it was safe, but it was kind of separated

1157
00:56:32,920 --> 00:56:35,120
Speaker 1: from people. But you thought, Okay, maybe there'll be some

1158
00:56:35,239 --> 00:56:37,239
Speaker 1: kids there. I don't know. Anyway, I love the house,

1159
00:56:37,320 --> 00:56:40,520
Speaker 1: like literally want to make an offer. So I bought

1160
00:56:40,520 --> 00:56:41,880
Speaker 1: a lot of houses. I was like, let's go back

1161
00:56:41,880 --> 00:56:43,160
Speaker 1: the next day. The next day I came back and

1162
00:56:43,200 --> 00:56:46,640
Speaker 1: I was like, something was different about this. I don't

1163
00:56:46,719 --> 00:56:48,680
Speaker 1: know what it is, right, So the first thing is

1164
00:56:48,680 --> 00:56:50,440
Speaker 1: I opened the back door and there's this pool and

1165
00:56:50,480 --> 00:56:53,200
Speaker 1: it's got like a water feature that makes all this noise.

1166
00:56:54,600 --> 00:56:59,120
Speaker 1: So I'm looking and there's like literally and granted it's

1167
00:56:59,120 --> 00:57:00,840
Speaker 1: a five acre property. It's one of the reasons it

1168
00:57:00,880 --> 00:57:04,399
Speaker 1: had five acres was there's an interstate at the very

1169
00:57:04,400 --> 00:57:07,799
Speaker 1: back end of the property, and between the foliage and

1170
00:57:07,880 --> 00:57:09,920
Speaker 1: the water feature, it kind of blended out some of

1171
00:57:09,960 --> 00:57:11,800
Speaker 1: the noise. But if you turn off the water feature, like,

1172
00:57:11,840 --> 00:57:15,319
Speaker 1: holy crap, I'm living on a freeway. And then I

1173
00:57:15,400 --> 00:57:17,880
Speaker 1: love the kitchen. And then I was like, what is

1174
00:57:17,920 --> 00:57:19,480
Speaker 1: it about the kitchen I don't like? And then I

1175
00:57:19,520 --> 00:57:22,240
Speaker 1: realized that the kitchen had been the garage, and the

1176
00:57:22,240 --> 00:57:26,200
Speaker 1: garage had been built separately, and so, you know, a

1177
00:57:26,320 --> 00:57:28,920
Speaker 1: kitchen is usually the centerpiece of the house. Instead it

1178
00:57:29,000 --> 00:57:30,960
Speaker 1: was like the entry point of the house, and if

1179
00:57:30,960 --> 00:57:33,000
Speaker 1: you're watching TV, it's like on the other side of

1180
00:57:33,040 --> 00:57:34,920
Speaker 1: the house. So if you have friends over, you're like

1181
00:57:35,040 --> 00:57:37,360
Speaker 1: back forth, back forth. I just moved on from it.

1182
00:57:38,120 --> 00:57:42,040
Speaker 1: So the point is that you have to experience some

1183
00:57:42,120 --> 00:57:44,000
Speaker 1: things twice. Everybody says you gotta do it once, Like

1184
00:57:44,160 --> 00:57:46,280
Speaker 1: not really kind of got to do it twice. What

1185
00:57:46,320 --> 00:57:47,919
Speaker 1: do you think of the idea of if you're gonna

1186
00:57:47,920 --> 00:57:50,200
Speaker 1: do Lambeau, you do Lambeau, you do the game, but

1187
00:57:50,240 --> 00:57:52,160
Speaker 1: you got to do Lambeau do it right with like

1188
00:57:52,200 --> 00:57:55,280
Speaker 1: some locals, with the tailgate with some buddies and do

1189
00:57:55,400 --> 00:57:56,320
Speaker 1: like a whole day thing.

1190
00:57:56,600 --> 00:57:58,760
Speaker 5: I totally agreat It's the only way to do it.

1191
00:57:58,840 --> 00:58:00,800
Speaker 5: I mean, you got to go to a stadium view,

1192
00:58:00,840 --> 00:58:02,760
Speaker 5: you gotta go to all those bars, and then you

1193
00:58:02,840 --> 00:58:05,800
Speaker 5: gotta go find some random tailgate and just be like, hey, guys,

1194
00:58:05,840 --> 00:58:06,480
Speaker 5: I'm here for the game.

1195
00:58:06,640 --> 00:58:09,720
Speaker 1: That's the crazy part is you can walk by and

1196
00:58:10,040 --> 00:58:13,080
Speaker 1: I understand when you're a coach, like people like, hey, coach, coach,

1197
00:58:13,120 --> 00:58:15,080
Speaker 1: come overead take a shot with us, you drink a

1198
00:58:15,120 --> 00:58:18,280
Speaker 1: beer with us. But even if some people don't recognize me, whatever,

1199
00:58:18,840 --> 00:58:22,600
Speaker 1: it's the weirdest, friendliest tailgate thing, like the whole Midwest

1200
00:58:22,680 --> 00:58:27,720
Speaker 1: nice thing. It's not always totally accurate, right, but in

1201
00:58:27,760 --> 00:58:31,200
Speaker 1: the in the parking lot of Lambeau pregame, because postgame

1202
00:58:31,200 --> 00:58:33,360
Speaker 1: it can be get a little rough, especially if the

1203
00:58:33,400 --> 00:58:37,919
Speaker 1: pack lose but pregame. Literally you could go, you could

1204
00:58:37,960 --> 00:58:40,200
Speaker 1: get drunk and never pay a penny for a beer.

1205
00:58:40,360 --> 00:58:40,600
Speaker 5: Never.

1206
00:58:41,200 --> 00:58:43,240
Speaker 1: Just so, what's the keys? What do you have to do?

1207
00:58:43,320 --> 00:58:44,040
Speaker 1: What do you have to say?

1208
00:58:44,080 --> 00:58:47,120
Speaker 5: We have to wear simple? You wear a packer's jersey,

1209
00:58:47,760 --> 00:58:52,040
Speaker 5: You say at the bears, yes, and then you say, hey,

1210
00:58:52,080 --> 00:58:52,880
Speaker 5: do you want a shotgun?

1211
00:58:54,280 --> 00:59:01,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, come on over, let's go. Okay, this is airing

1212
00:59:01,080 --> 00:59:04,560
Speaker 1: and it will air in perpetuity after we beat Oakland. Right,

1213
00:59:04,640 --> 00:59:07,400
Speaker 1: but this has been a long, long, long journey for you.

1214
00:59:07,360 --> 00:59:07,680
Speaker 5: For sure?

1215
00:59:08,400 --> 00:59:11,040
Speaker 1: What was like you came out of high school? It

1216
00:59:11,080 --> 00:59:13,080
Speaker 1: was COVID had been your senior year, so that where

1217
00:59:13,080 --> 00:59:14,400
Speaker 1: there no with there no playoffs.

1218
00:59:14,440 --> 00:59:16,840
Speaker 5: There was playoffs, but they shut down my junior year

1219
00:59:16,880 --> 00:59:17,480
Speaker 5: of playoffs.

1220
00:59:18,000 --> 00:59:20,000
Speaker 1: So where were you in the playoffs when it shut down?

1221
00:59:20,440 --> 00:59:22,040
Speaker 5: We were a game before state?

1222
00:59:22,920 --> 00:59:24,560
Speaker 1: And who are you going to match up with? Are

1223
00:59:24,560 --> 00:59:25,040
Speaker 1: you gonna play?

1224
00:59:25,560 --> 00:59:28,640
Speaker 5: I don't even remember? Oh I know it is we

1225
00:59:28,720 --> 00:59:32,720
Speaker 5: lost that last game to go to the game before state.

1226
00:59:32,800 --> 00:59:35,960
Speaker 1: But oh so you lost, so it didn't actually affect you.

1227
00:59:36,040 --> 00:59:37,440
Speaker 1: So you're kind of you were kind of acting like

1228
00:59:37,440 --> 00:59:42,480
Speaker 1: it affected You're like, we actually lost, Yeah, I guess, okay, okay,

1229
00:59:42,520 --> 00:59:47,560
Speaker 1: and so uh but then everything shut down and what

1230
00:59:47,640 --> 00:59:50,040
Speaker 1: was what was it like trying to make a decision

1231
00:59:50,040 --> 00:59:53,240
Speaker 1: on what you're going to do in college when nothing's

1232
00:59:53,280 --> 00:59:55,400
Speaker 1: open and there are no it's not like you can

1233
00:59:55,440 --> 00:59:58,160
Speaker 1: go and play in front of college coaches. What was

1234
00:59:58,200 --> 00:59:58,680
Speaker 1: that process?

1235
00:59:58,800 --> 01:00:00,760
Speaker 5: Like? I mean, it was it was hard. I mean

1236
01:00:01,440 --> 01:00:04,480
Speaker 5: I also did play on a team that was really

1237
01:00:04,520 --> 01:00:09,040
Speaker 5: sponsored by a circuit going into my junior year. Obviously

1238
01:00:09,360 --> 01:00:12,840
Speaker 5: I played for Mike McCarthy's a team that he built,

1239
01:00:13,600 --> 01:00:15,880
Speaker 5: and so we were on the Adidas circuit. But you

1240
01:00:15,920 --> 01:00:21,160
Speaker 5: go to all these ADDS tournaments and there's no one there, so.

1241
01:00:20,680 --> 01:00:23,680
Speaker 1: You played like the like the Gold level whatever instead

1242
01:00:23,720 --> 01:00:25,640
Speaker 1: of the open over or whatever. Yeah.

1243
01:00:25,720 --> 01:00:27,360
Speaker 5: Yeah, so like we were on the circuit, but we

1244
01:00:27,360 --> 01:00:28,919
Speaker 5: weren't on the circuit, if that makes sense.

1245
01:00:29,840 --> 01:00:32,240
Speaker 1: And then for people who don't understand how that works,

1246
01:00:32,280 --> 01:00:34,400
Speaker 1: and let me just interject real quick for people don't

1247
01:00:34,440 --> 01:00:38,400
Speaker 1: understand it works. Okay, So the circuits, those teams they

1248
01:00:38,440 --> 01:00:41,120
Speaker 1: get a credit so they don't spend money, right, the

1249
01:00:41,320 --> 01:00:43,960
Speaker 1: Adidas will fly them around the country and they'll help them,

1250
01:00:44,040 --> 01:00:46,400
Speaker 1: they give them shoes whenever, and then the rest of

1251
01:00:46,440 --> 01:00:49,280
Speaker 1: them are money makers for the circuit, right, and then

1252
01:00:49,320 --> 01:00:51,280
Speaker 1: they say you're on the circuit, but you're not really

1253
01:00:51,320 --> 01:00:53,080
Speaker 1: on the circuit because you have to pay for the uniforms,

1254
01:00:53,120 --> 01:00:54,960
Speaker 1: you gotta pay for the tournaments, gotta pay for everything,

1255
01:00:55,160 --> 01:00:58,960
Speaker 1: but you're paying for exposure. And then college coaches unless

1256
01:00:58,960 --> 01:01:02,200
Speaker 1: there's somebody you know, like you've really done the work,

1257
01:01:02,360 --> 01:01:04,920
Speaker 1: and especially if you're a low major college coach or

1258
01:01:05,000 --> 01:01:07,800
Speaker 1: d you do college coach like again, you're just playing

1259
01:01:07,840 --> 01:01:09,720
Speaker 1: really to put together a film to send to somebody

1260
01:01:09,800 --> 01:01:10,200
Speaker 1: for sure.

1261
01:01:10,280 --> 01:01:12,920
Speaker 5: Yeah, and it was really hard for me too because

1262
01:01:12,960 --> 01:01:15,040
Speaker 5: my dad was my high school coach and he was

1263
01:01:15,040 --> 01:01:17,720
Speaker 5: my AU coach, So you know when college coaches like

1264
01:01:17,720 --> 01:01:19,080
Speaker 5: can I talk to a coach and I'm like, well,

1265
01:01:19,080 --> 01:01:20,960
Speaker 5: it's my dad, You've already talked to him, and they're like,

1266
01:01:21,440 --> 01:01:23,560
Speaker 5: I don't know. It just brushed people off, But no,

1267
01:01:23,640 --> 01:01:25,520
Speaker 5: it was really hard. So I had a couple of

1268
01:01:25,600 --> 01:01:28,640
Speaker 5: D two offers, and then they pressured me into obviously

1269
01:01:28,880 --> 01:01:30,919
Speaker 5: wanting to commit right away, and I just wasn't ready

1270
01:01:30,960 --> 01:01:33,320
Speaker 5: because I wanted to come to agree bout high school.

1271
01:01:34,280 --> 01:01:37,240
Speaker 5: And I had a conversation with the Link Darner staff

1272
01:01:37,360 --> 01:01:40,560
Speaker 5: right before they got fired and obviously a week later

1273
01:01:40,600 --> 01:01:42,720
Speaker 5: they got fired, so that that just kind of fell through.

1274
01:01:43,520 --> 01:01:45,360
Speaker 1: But that was that was at your senior year.

1275
01:01:45,480 --> 01:01:47,840
Speaker 5: Yeah, that was my So let's go through the.

1276
01:01:47,800 --> 01:01:51,840
Speaker 1: Things that went wrong for you, right, like out of

1277
01:01:51,880 --> 01:01:54,040
Speaker 1: loyalty and by the way, something little to you, like

1278
01:01:54,240 --> 01:01:55,480
Speaker 1: what are you gonna do to your dad? Like, Hey,

1279
01:01:55,480 --> 01:01:59,200
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go play for hero you know, hey love you?

1280
01:01:59,400 --> 01:02:05,160
Speaker 1: But you know playmakers plays in a circuit something like that, right, so, uh,

1281
01:02:06,880 --> 01:02:12,000
Speaker 1: you're independent essentially au program. Hey, then COVID takes away

1282
01:02:12,680 --> 01:02:16,240
Speaker 1: the spring and the summer. Green Bay who you wanted

1283
01:02:16,240 --> 01:02:19,200
Speaker 1: to go play for? Link Darner got fired? Right, So

1284
01:02:19,240 --> 01:02:23,160
Speaker 1: now you're sitting there like uh oh yeah, so how

1285
01:02:23,160 --> 01:02:23,960
Speaker 1: did it happen with AUTPO?

1286
01:02:24,360 --> 01:02:28,720
Speaker 5: So my dad was new an assistant coach Matt Bone

1287
01:02:29,040 --> 01:02:32,240
Speaker 5: on staff. Yeah, Matt Boone was at Platteville or River

1288
01:02:32,280 --> 01:02:35,960
Speaker 5: Falls when my dad was in college. So Matt Bone

1289
01:02:36,080 --> 01:02:39,240
Speaker 5: coached against my dad and that connection grew and then

1290
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Speaker 5: I mean basically on the spot, I was like, all right,

1291
01:02:41,800 --> 01:02:43,600
Speaker 5: I'm coming. That's really all I have. It was either

1292
01:02:43,640 --> 01:02:46,480
Speaker 5: that or Michigan Tech. And I respectfully to Michigan Tech.

1293
01:02:46,520 --> 01:02:49,720
Speaker 5: I did not want to go up up North and

1294
01:02:49,840 --> 01:02:51,560
Speaker 5: we can make fun of coach Keel because he didn't

1295
01:02:51,560 --> 01:02:55,280
Speaker 5: recruit me. So that's fine. But after you know, I

1296
01:02:55,400 --> 01:02:56,120
Speaker 5: said hot and is.

1297
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Speaker 1: That how you pronounced it, Holden, I think it's it's

1298
01:02:59,440 --> 01:03:00,840
Speaker 1: kind of a cool town. I went up there for

1299
01:03:00,880 --> 01:03:03,720
Speaker 1: the Tech Northern game last year in the playoffs. It's

1300
01:03:03,760 --> 01:03:04,360
Speaker 1: a cool town.

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01:03:04,440 --> 01:03:06,280
Speaker 5: It is his way thell out there.

1302
01:03:06,320 --> 01:03:08,600
Speaker 1: Oly. Yeah, you know you got you gotta go your

1303
01:03:09,200 --> 01:03:10,680
Speaker 1: your You're like deep.

1304
01:03:10,520 --> 01:03:11,680
Speaker 5: Youper for deep.

1305
01:03:11,680 --> 01:03:13,480
Speaker 1: Youuper to go up there for that.

1306
01:03:13,760 --> 01:03:16,880
Speaker 5: Yeah, not a big fisher. It's kind of not Wisconsin

1307
01:03:16,920 --> 01:03:18,840
Speaker 5: to me, but it's not my thing. I don't know.

1308
01:03:18,960 --> 01:03:21,560
Speaker 5: You played golf, Yeah, golf, yeah for sure, but you

1309
01:03:21,680 --> 01:03:23,960
Speaker 5: got to play golf up there for two months.

1310
01:03:24,400 --> 01:03:27,880
Speaker 1: It's like it's like a pre wreck for every Wisconsin

1311
01:03:27,960 --> 01:03:31,160
Speaker 1: kid right where you got to either fish, hunt or

1312
01:03:31,200 --> 01:03:34,120
Speaker 1: play golf. Two of the three you don't hunt though,

1313
01:03:34,280 --> 01:03:36,360
Speaker 1: I don't know, so one of the three.

1314
01:03:36,280 --> 01:03:37,960
Speaker 5: And one of the three I'm kind of an outlayer.

1315
01:03:38,080 --> 01:03:40,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, but you're also a packer fan and owner, so

1316
01:03:40,640 --> 01:03:43,520
Speaker 1: that that's kind of two out of four for sure. Yeah. Yeah,

1317
01:03:43,560 --> 01:03:45,560
Speaker 1: there's got to be one other thing that's that's definite.

1318
01:03:45,680 --> 01:03:46,760
Speaker 5: That's drink beer.

1319
01:03:47,040 --> 01:03:49,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, well else, Yeah, you can't be like a non

1320
01:03:49,440 --> 01:03:54,280
Speaker 1: drinker who doesn't play golf, doesn't fish, likes the vikings, right,

1321
01:03:54,360 --> 01:03:57,720
Speaker 1: Like you're like you you're living in the wrong state,

1322
01:03:57,840 --> 01:04:00,760
Speaker 1: totally living in the in the in the wrongs. Okay,

1323
01:04:00,800 --> 01:04:04,400
Speaker 1: so you go there. What was that like your freshman

1324
01:04:04,480 --> 01:04:05,760
Speaker 1: year as a walk on?

1325
01:04:06,080 --> 01:04:09,160
Speaker 5: Yeah, it was different. I felt like in the beginning,

1326
01:04:09,360 --> 01:04:13,760
Speaker 5: like you weren't respected, no offense to the other walk

1327
01:04:13,760 --> 01:04:16,320
Speaker 5: ons u VOPO, but like they were there for engineering.

1328
01:04:16,400 --> 01:04:19,720
Speaker 5: It's an engineering school, so the walk ons there were engineers.

1329
01:04:19,760 --> 01:04:23,680
Speaker 5: They're you know, we're told probably you're never gonna play,

1330
01:04:23,800 --> 01:04:25,120
Speaker 5: but like they just wanted to be a part of

1331
01:04:25,120 --> 01:04:26,680
Speaker 5: the team and they're like still one of my best

1332
01:04:26,680 --> 01:04:29,360
Speaker 5: buddies to today. So you had to earn respect, and

1333
01:04:29,800 --> 01:04:32,040
Speaker 5: you know, obviously that was kind of hard.

1334
01:04:32,280 --> 01:04:32,520
Speaker 2: Uh.

1335
01:04:32,760 --> 01:04:34,880
Speaker 5: First couple of months were hard just because you were

1336
01:04:34,880 --> 01:04:36,880
Speaker 5: in drills. You really weren't in drills, but you were

1337
01:04:36,960 --> 01:04:39,840
Speaker 5: kind of getting the layout. And then you know, the

1338
01:04:39,880 --> 01:04:42,480
Speaker 5: season comes around and it's an exhibition game and they

1339
01:04:42,480 --> 01:04:44,600
Speaker 5: throw me in there because at that at that time

1340
01:04:44,640 --> 01:04:46,080
Speaker 5: we were going to red shirt before the year.

1341
01:04:46,160 --> 01:04:48,000
Speaker 1: Who'd you who was the exhibition against.

1342
01:04:47,960 --> 01:04:49,840
Speaker 5: A d two lost twice.

1343
01:04:50,840 --> 01:04:52,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, but who is the one that you got thrown

1344
01:04:52,160 --> 01:04:52,680
Speaker 1: in there against?

1345
01:04:53,920 --> 01:04:58,480
Speaker 5: Maybe? Okay, and so we got we threw in there.

1346
01:04:58,520 --> 01:05:00,560
Speaker 5: I got thrown in there, and I played pretty well,

1347
01:05:01,520 --> 01:05:03,520
Speaker 5: you know, did what I was supposed to do, and

1348
01:05:03,560 --> 01:05:07,240
Speaker 5: then kind of talked like okay, maybe we won't red shirt,

1349
01:05:07,720 --> 01:05:10,520
Speaker 5: like you could be in the rotation. In about like

1350
01:05:10,680 --> 01:05:13,560
Speaker 5: the day before our first game versus Toledo, they're like,

1351
01:05:13,800 --> 01:05:16,000
Speaker 5: we're gonna rentret you was like, all right, that's fine.

1352
01:05:16,080 --> 01:05:18,720
Speaker 5: That was the plan, like get bigger and stronger, get better.

1353
01:05:19,600 --> 01:05:22,800
Speaker 5: And then about fifteen games into the season, they're like

1354
01:05:23,240 --> 01:05:26,560
Speaker 5: you want on a red shirt? Me as, yeah, I

1355
01:05:26,600 --> 01:05:30,240
Speaker 5: want to play, throw me in there. So then finished

1356
01:05:30,280 --> 01:05:32,800
Speaker 5: out that year, ended up winning.

1357
01:05:32,840 --> 01:05:34,640
Speaker 1: But that was that was COVID year, right.

1358
01:05:34,640 --> 01:05:37,880
Speaker 5: No, that was the year after, so we don't wait,

1359
01:05:38,240 --> 01:05:39,880
Speaker 5: I was the first class that did get a COVID year.

1360
01:05:40,200 --> 01:05:44,000
Speaker 1: No, but it was. It was the first year after COVID. Yes, right,

1361
01:05:44,080 --> 01:05:46,440
Speaker 1: so where there's in there limited number of people like

1362
01:05:46,440 --> 01:05:48,520
Speaker 1: what was it in like in Indiana? I don't know, because

1363
01:05:48,520 --> 01:05:52,200
Speaker 1: I did. I traveled and did games that year and

1364
01:05:52,320 --> 01:05:54,760
Speaker 1: like we need big ten games. You couldn't be down

1365
01:05:54,760 --> 01:05:56,680
Speaker 1: on the court level. You had to be up on

1366
01:05:56,760 --> 01:05:58,760
Speaker 1: the concourse level calling the game.

1367
01:05:58,960 --> 01:06:00,919
Speaker 5: Yeah, it was. It wasn't that much different.

1368
01:06:01,000 --> 01:06:02,480
Speaker 1: Honestly, I'll tell you what it was different for me

1369
01:06:02,520 --> 01:06:05,840
Speaker 1: as a broadcaster was I'd go early and talk to

1370
01:06:05,880 --> 01:06:08,960
Speaker 1: the coaches, and even ones that usually weren't friendly to

1371
01:06:09,000 --> 01:06:10,840
Speaker 1: me were like so friendly because they had no human

1372
01:06:10,840 --> 01:06:14,040
Speaker 1: interaction with anybody else. Like literally, they're like, dude, come

1373
01:06:14,080 --> 01:06:17,000
Speaker 1: and hang out and like you sure, like, yeah, we don't.

1374
01:06:17,080 --> 01:06:18,920
Speaker 1: No one hangs out with us. We just hang out

1375
01:06:18,920 --> 01:06:20,680
Speaker 1: with each other. And then we have like six foot

1376
01:06:20,720 --> 01:06:21,640
Speaker 1: barriers with everything.

1377
01:06:21,720 --> 01:06:22,200
Speaker 4: It was.

1378
01:06:22,280 --> 01:06:23,120
Speaker 1: It was so weird.

1379
01:06:23,560 --> 01:06:25,200
Speaker 5: Yeah, we still had the COVID rule where if you

1380
01:06:25,200 --> 01:06:27,240
Speaker 5: had COVID you had to stay away for seven days

1381
01:06:27,320 --> 01:06:29,880
Speaker 5: or something like that, but that was about the only barrier.

1382
01:06:30,240 --> 01:06:31,320
Speaker 1: How many games did you play?

1383
01:06:31,680 --> 01:06:34,200
Speaker 5: I played? I don't know the math, but I think

1384
01:06:34,200 --> 01:06:34,800
Speaker 5: it was sixteen.

1385
01:06:34,800 --> 01:06:36,600
Speaker 1: Maybe I think we got to get another year for you?

1386
01:06:36,800 --> 01:06:38,720
Speaker 5: I know, I agree, And then why not?

1387
01:06:38,920 --> 01:06:41,040
Speaker 1: Right puff? Johnson just got another year and I have

1388
01:06:41,160 --> 01:06:42,000
Speaker 1: no idea why.

1389
01:06:42,280 --> 01:06:44,160
Speaker 5: Hey, I'm only twenty two. Were Mels twenty nine? So

1390
01:06:44,200 --> 01:06:48,360
Speaker 5: that means they got but why not? But no?

1391
01:06:48,640 --> 01:06:51,120
Speaker 1: And then like, hey, listen if there's a lawyer. Can

1392
01:06:51,160 --> 01:06:53,520
Speaker 1: we call Kruber? Can we get can we figure out

1393
01:06:53,640 --> 01:06:58,360
Speaker 1: some way somebody to sue you were forced to take

1394
01:06:58,360 --> 01:07:00,800
Speaker 1: the red shirt off? Right? I agree, Yes, there was

1395
01:07:00,840 --> 01:07:05,800
Speaker 1: definitely definitely. What was it Like, I'm in like they

1396
01:07:05,880 --> 01:07:10,200
Speaker 1: get fired, right and when you're a walk on you don't.

1397
01:07:10,240 --> 01:07:13,400
Speaker 1: It's not I can tell you, like when you get

1398
01:07:13,400 --> 01:07:15,200
Speaker 1: the job and like somebody's walking Like, dude, I have

1399
01:07:15,400 --> 01:07:17,080
Speaker 1: a lot of things on my plate, that's not one

1400
01:07:17,080 --> 01:07:17,400
Speaker 1: of them.

1401
01:07:17,840 --> 01:07:20,280
Speaker 5: What was that like, Well, it was kind of easier

1402
01:07:20,320 --> 01:07:23,520
Speaker 5: just because I was all freshman team in the Valley,

1403
01:07:24,360 --> 01:07:26,680
Speaker 5: so that was easier, like people knew me and stuff.

1404
01:07:27,280 --> 01:07:29,480
Speaker 5: But that second year a retro because I got surgery

1405
01:07:29,480 --> 01:07:32,960
Speaker 5: on my shoulder, So that was I was like, basically,

1406
01:07:32,960 --> 01:07:35,200
Speaker 5: I'm gonna play nine games and then we're gonna call

1407
01:07:35,240 --> 01:07:38,640
Speaker 5: it because it just wasn't going for me. But then yeah,

1408
01:07:38,760 --> 01:07:41,920
Speaker 5: the next coach came in and I met Max Nelson.

1409
01:07:42,040 --> 01:07:44,560
Speaker 5: He's obviously on Fort Wayne now, but he was a

1410
01:07:44,600 --> 01:07:46,280
Speaker 5: really good friend and we were kind of like, hey,

1411
01:07:46,360 --> 01:07:48,200
Speaker 5: let it's kind of the plan. Let's go back to

1412
01:07:48,240 --> 01:07:52,480
Speaker 5: Green Bay because Lottick got fired at Valpol and it

1413
01:07:52,600 --> 01:07:57,240
Speaker 5: was like, hey, let's let's go home. Ultimately he thought

1414
01:07:57,240 --> 01:07:59,160
Speaker 5: it was the best decision to go to Fort Wayne.

1415
01:07:59,240 --> 01:08:02,800
Speaker 5: But no, I was right. When UH Coachalanak got fired,

1416
01:08:02,840 --> 01:08:04,280
Speaker 5: I was like, I want to go to Green Bay's.

1417
01:08:04,800 --> 01:08:08,560
Speaker 5: I didn't even take another call from anyone else, and

1418
01:08:08,760 --> 01:08:11,560
Speaker 5: other some other schools are interested, but I said right

1419
01:08:11,600 --> 01:08:13,920
Speaker 5: from the jump, I'm going to Green Bay and Center.

1420
01:08:14,080 --> 01:08:16,080
Speaker 5: Sonny better take me here.

1421
01:08:16,439 --> 01:08:22,880
Speaker 1: Problems fast forward to now. Regardless of how it ends, right,

1422
01:08:23,640 --> 01:08:28,200
Speaker 1: I would say that anybody who's watched you can see

1423
01:08:28,200 --> 01:08:31,960
Speaker 1: your personal improvement and what you've done for the program.

1424
01:08:32,960 --> 01:08:35,519
Speaker 1: What's it like to have gone through all of that?

1425
01:08:35,720 --> 01:08:38,120
Speaker 1: I mean you've literally injured just about every part of

1426
01:08:38,120 --> 01:08:41,479
Speaker 1: your body. Basically you had two concussions last year, you

1427
01:08:41,600 --> 01:08:45,200
Speaker 1: had a small is it called an ablasion? What was

1428
01:08:45,240 --> 01:08:49,439
Speaker 1: the what was the fractional evulsion in your ankle? You've

1429
01:08:49,439 --> 01:08:53,280
Speaker 1: had a knee thing, you tore your oblique class year,

1430
01:08:53,360 --> 01:08:56,680
Speaker 1: you had the shoulder. Like it's literally been to go

1431
01:08:56,760 --> 01:09:02,240
Speaker 1: through all that, but then ultimately again and wherever we finish,

1432
01:09:02,880 --> 01:09:07,000
Speaker 1: it's way better. Right. What's this experience been like for you?

1433
01:09:07,120 --> 01:09:11,439
Speaker 5: I mean, it's been amazing experience. Honestly, you know, my

1434
01:09:11,560 --> 01:09:15,479
Speaker 5: ultimate goal coming year was leave it a better spot

1435
01:09:15,520 --> 01:09:17,920
Speaker 5: than when you game and obviously, you know there were

1436
01:09:17,960 --> 01:09:19,840
Speaker 5: three and twenty nine and that's kind of you know,

1437
01:09:19,920 --> 01:09:22,400
Speaker 5: hard to leave it worse. But like just a culture,

1438
01:09:22,920 --> 01:09:26,759
Speaker 5: I think bringing a good culture or building the culture

1439
01:09:26,800 --> 01:09:30,120
Speaker 5: and being part of that and then ultimately winning games

1440
01:09:30,160 --> 01:09:32,679
Speaker 5: is the most important part. But you know, I built

1441
01:09:32,680 --> 01:09:36,440
Speaker 5: a family not only with the players and the coaches,

1442
01:09:36,680 --> 01:09:40,960
Speaker 5: but the fans. You know, I'll have lifelong friends not

1443
01:09:41,320 --> 01:09:43,320
Speaker 5: only on the basketball floor but off the basketball for

1444
01:09:43,760 --> 01:09:47,400
Speaker 5: basketball floor too. But no, it's it means the world

1445
01:09:47,400 --> 01:09:50,559
Speaker 5: to me obviously that we started off really good, and

1446
01:09:51,000 --> 01:09:53,559
Speaker 5: you know, I love that. You know, three of our

1447
01:09:53,640 --> 01:09:56,880
Speaker 5: key contributors came back last year in college basketball world

1448
01:09:56,880 --> 01:09:59,439
Speaker 5: where everyone just jumped ship, especially after that year when

1449
01:09:59,439 --> 01:10:04,000
Speaker 5: we were four to twenty eight, but no, three of

1450
01:10:04,000 --> 01:10:06,559
Speaker 5: our guys came back and their key contributors, and you

1451
01:10:06,560 --> 01:10:08,800
Speaker 5: know that that means a lot. I feel like that

1452
01:10:09,040 --> 01:10:11,639
Speaker 5: can just like show our culture that we started last year,

1453
01:10:12,960 --> 01:10:17,280
Speaker 5: not just me, but everyone coaches, players that we truly

1454
01:10:17,320 --> 01:10:19,759
Speaker 5: love each other. And I think that's a big reason

1455
01:10:19,760 --> 01:10:24,280
Speaker 5: why we have had our start. We're a united, you

1456
01:10:24,280 --> 01:10:27,120
Speaker 5: know unit, and we're going to do anything we can

1457
01:10:27,200 --> 01:10:29,679
Speaker 5: to win, and I think that you know, this start

1458
01:10:29,720 --> 01:10:31,120
Speaker 5: is only the beginning and we have a lot more

1459
01:10:31,120 --> 01:10:31,320
Speaker 5: to go.

1460
01:10:31,520 --> 01:10:34,120
Speaker 1: Okay, so now you can help me out, and there'll

1461
01:10:34,120 --> 01:10:36,200
Speaker 1: be a lot of people help watching this that can

1462
01:10:36,200 --> 01:10:40,960
Speaker 1: help us out. Obviously, you know, money helps guys want

1463
01:10:41,000 --> 01:10:43,840
Speaker 1: to stand, but it's not the only thing, but it

1464
01:10:43,920 --> 01:10:47,120
Speaker 1: is definitely a part of the conversation. So if you

1465
01:10:47,160 --> 01:10:49,400
Speaker 1: were to tell me, and you know, we obviously got

1466
01:10:49,439 --> 01:10:51,640
Speaker 1: to have this talk off air as well, how do

1467
01:10:51,680 --> 01:10:56,320
Speaker 1: you how do I keep the guys right? Because because

1468
01:10:56,360 --> 01:10:59,360
Speaker 1: if you keep cycling through, Oh, he's a higher rated

1469
01:10:59,360 --> 01:11:01,600
Speaker 1: player and he's a rate a player. Again, if you

1470
01:11:01,640 --> 01:11:04,200
Speaker 1: look at our starting lineup, you had no scholarship offers

1471
01:11:04,200 --> 01:11:07,559
Speaker 1: out of high school, correct, Kateen Wilkins had no scholarship

1472
01:11:07,560 --> 01:11:09,600
Speaker 1: offers out of high school. C J O'Hara had no

1473
01:11:09,640 --> 01:11:11,599
Speaker 1: scholarship offers out of high school. They both came here

1474
01:11:11,600 --> 01:11:15,160
Speaker 1: as walk ons. Justin Allen notly no scholarship offers out

1475
01:11:15,160 --> 01:11:16,800
Speaker 1: of high school. Last year in the portal, we were

1476
01:11:16,800 --> 01:11:18,840
Speaker 1: the only ones who offered him. I think others may

1477
01:11:18,880 --> 01:11:20,840
Speaker 1: have come around offered him, but none of them offered

1478
01:11:20,880 --> 01:11:25,839
Speaker 1: him right, So only Marcus who was he was recruited,

1479
01:11:25,880 --> 01:11:27,880
Speaker 1: but like you know, Marcus was kind of an easy

1480
01:11:27,920 --> 01:11:30,760
Speaker 1: one because he just likes it. He loves Green Bay,

1481
01:11:31,120 --> 01:11:34,439
Speaker 1: loves this area, and wants wants to stay here. So

1482
01:11:34,600 --> 01:11:37,760
Speaker 1: we've been able to get guys and keep guys that

1483
01:11:37,840 --> 01:11:43,120
Speaker 1: were undervalued and again winning with our culture, winning by

1484
01:11:43,240 --> 01:11:45,839
Speaker 1: kind of teaching them how to win, how to play,

1485
01:11:46,320 --> 01:11:50,240
Speaker 1: and kind of using that retention. How do we keep

1486
01:11:50,280 --> 01:11:52,519
Speaker 1: doing that? Like, what is the what's the ways which

1487
01:11:52,520 --> 01:11:54,760
Speaker 1: you truly honestly retain players?

1488
01:11:54,960 --> 01:11:58,320
Speaker 5: You know, I think a big thing for me in

1489
01:11:58,439 --> 01:12:02,240
Speaker 5: retaining players is if you go up a level quote

1490
01:12:02,320 --> 01:12:05,760
Speaker 5: unquote to the you know, Missouri Valley. Let's just use

1491
01:12:05,760 --> 01:12:07,920
Speaker 5: the Missouri Valley as an example. They're a one big

1492
01:12:08,000 --> 01:12:13,280
Speaker 5: league last year they what year was Indiana State could

1493
01:12:13,320 --> 01:12:15,200
Speaker 5: have easily went to the tournament. But guess what, they're

1494
01:12:15,200 --> 01:12:17,040
Speaker 5: a one big league two years ago. Yes, and you

1495
01:12:17,120 --> 01:12:20,519
Speaker 5: might make let's say fifteen thousand dollars more a year,

1496
01:12:20,920 --> 01:12:23,639
Speaker 5: but you're missing out on two years where you've grown

1497
01:12:23,640 --> 01:12:28,120
Speaker 5: a program. Well, u c JFCJ left and went to Missouri,

1498
01:12:28,200 --> 01:12:30,920
Speaker 5: the Missouri Valley, you wasted two years of being in

1499
01:12:30,960 --> 01:12:33,200
Speaker 5: the program. You was solidified that you're one of the

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01:12:33,200 --> 01:12:37,799
Speaker 5: best players on the team. You know, you know the culture,

1501
01:12:38,000 --> 01:12:40,720
Speaker 5: you can build a culture, you've built a community, and

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01:12:40,800 --> 01:12:45,280
Speaker 5: to go over to We'll use Valparaiso and an example. Just

1503
01:12:45,320 --> 01:12:47,880
Speaker 5: go to Valpo and start fresh. You never know what's

1504
01:12:47,920 --> 01:12:50,679
Speaker 5: going to happen. And I think that when you establish

1505
01:12:50,760 --> 01:12:53,920
Speaker 5: a culture at a school and you know, maybe maybe

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01:12:53,960 --> 01:12:56,479
Speaker 5: we'll say we can't compete with Wisconsin just with the

1507
01:12:56,520 --> 01:13:01,240
Speaker 5: money bases. Right, but if he has scholarships, he's first

1508
01:13:01,240 --> 01:13:03,240
Speaker 5: team and he wants to go to Wisconsin, he's getting paid,

1509
01:13:03,280 --> 01:13:05,760
Speaker 5: that go ahead. But listen, if you're gonna go to

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01:13:06,040 --> 01:13:08,639
Speaker 5: another mid major, that's one mid league, it's no different

1511
01:13:08,640 --> 01:13:12,200
Speaker 5: than Green Bay. And to lose all the progress you've made,

1512
01:13:12,560 --> 01:13:15,759
Speaker 5: you know what, the community with the team, I feel

1513
01:13:15,760 --> 01:13:16,960
Speaker 5: like it's a mistake.

1514
01:13:17,040 --> 01:13:19,519
Speaker 1: The term is sweat equity, right, you got sweat equity,

1515
01:13:20,080 --> 01:13:23,840
Speaker 1: and it's it's a lot like you know. I mean,

1516
01:13:23,840 --> 01:13:26,280
Speaker 1: obviously I told you can join the staff. I'm sure

1517
01:13:26,320 --> 01:13:28,559
Speaker 1: you could work anywhere here. It's like Ryan Wade, right,

1518
01:13:28,600 --> 01:13:31,000
Speaker 1: Like Ryan Wade, he makes more than all of our

1519
01:13:31,040 --> 01:13:35,040
Speaker 1: assistant coaches, just because everybody in Green Bay loves Ryan Wade.

1520
01:13:35,479 --> 01:13:38,519
Speaker 1: And that was a guy that stayed and I didn't

1521
01:13:38,520 --> 01:13:40,840
Speaker 1: give him scholarship last year, right me, dummy me, and

1522
01:13:40,920 --> 01:13:43,240
Speaker 1: then started playing him late in the year and he

1523
01:13:43,280 --> 01:13:46,360
Speaker 1: had an awesome finish to his career. So no, I

1524
01:13:47,200 --> 01:13:52,320
Speaker 1: understand what you're saying. I'm saying what here's my belief.

1525
01:13:52,439 --> 01:13:56,160
Speaker 1: I think we gotta make it so good for dudes,

1526
01:13:56,640 --> 01:13:58,840
Speaker 1: And so when I tell people, hey, show up at

1527
01:13:58,880 --> 01:14:03,120
Speaker 1: the Cress, it's because the only the biggest difference I

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01:14:03,120 --> 01:14:06,200
Speaker 1: think between the valley and the horizon is the crowd size.

1529
01:14:06,320 --> 01:14:06,759
Speaker 5: For sure.

1530
01:14:06,960 --> 01:14:10,160
Speaker 1: You know it really is, like and I can't control

1531
01:14:10,200 --> 01:14:13,080
Speaker 1: what happens at Fort Wayne. I can't control what happens

1532
01:14:13,560 --> 01:14:16,599
Speaker 1: at at Wright State or at Cleveland State. Whatever. What

1533
01:14:16,640 --> 01:14:19,120
Speaker 1: I can do is tell you that if if Green

1534
01:14:19,160 --> 01:14:22,280
Speaker 1: Bay puts that four thousand people in the Cress every

1535
01:14:22,320 --> 01:14:27,719
Speaker 1: game and we're anywhere from near competitive financially, not only

1536
01:14:27,760 --> 01:14:30,720
Speaker 1: will CJ and other guys want to stay, but all

1537
01:14:30,800 --> 01:14:33,280
Speaker 1: the other guys like yourself that are gone elsewhere be like, well,

1538
01:14:33,320 --> 01:14:35,599
Speaker 1: I want to come home and play like that's what

1539
01:14:35,640 --> 01:14:38,320
Speaker 1: I want to do, Like that's the dream. And I

1540
01:14:38,360 --> 01:14:40,719
Speaker 1: think if you find the right guys that there's get Look,

1541
01:14:40,920 --> 01:14:42,519
Speaker 1: if you're going to make half a million dollars or

1542
01:14:42,520 --> 01:14:45,360
Speaker 1: more playing it at min Madison or even playing at

1543
01:14:45,400 --> 01:14:49,240
Speaker 1: Minnesota or whatever. Like, I can't begrudge that because you know,

1544
01:14:49,280 --> 01:14:51,559
Speaker 1: if you're getting to five six x of what we

1545
01:14:51,600 --> 01:14:55,559
Speaker 1: can pay you, like again, you should probably go do that.

1546
01:14:56,000 --> 01:14:57,840
Speaker 1: I do think there's an argument for if it's your

1547
01:14:57,840 --> 01:14:59,880
Speaker 1: senior year, you can have your name on the wall.

1548
01:15:00,080 --> 01:15:03,679
Speaker 1: I don't know maybe, but outside of that, again, it's

1549
01:15:03,760 --> 01:15:06,479
Speaker 1: one of the reasons that when you tell people, yes,

1550
01:15:06,560 --> 01:15:08,720
Speaker 1: does it help us in terms of wins and losses? Yeah,

1551
01:15:08,800 --> 01:15:12,080
Speaker 1: we feel the place we're not losing. But it's also

1552
01:15:12,240 --> 01:15:14,519
Speaker 1: it makes it so that like why would I ever leave?

1553
01:15:15,040 --> 01:15:16,680
Speaker 1: I like, we try and take care of guys with

1554
01:15:16,720 --> 01:15:18,960
Speaker 1: their food. We're trying to get all everything when they

1555
01:15:19,000 --> 01:15:22,040
Speaker 1: live better. We're trying to be competitive with what we

1556
01:15:22,120 --> 01:15:25,759
Speaker 1: pay guys. I don't think the biggest a hole, although

1557
01:15:25,760 --> 01:15:28,040
Speaker 1: I do have that, as you know in me right,

1558
01:15:28,560 --> 01:15:30,800
Speaker 1: But the bigger thing is like if every time you

1559
01:15:30,920 --> 01:15:33,320
Speaker 1: roll out there, that place is three quarters to all

1560
01:15:33,360 --> 01:15:35,760
Speaker 1: the way full, Like why would you go somewhere else

1561
01:15:36,240 --> 01:15:37,760
Speaker 1: just to take a check and play for a coach

1562
01:15:37,800 --> 01:15:40,519
Speaker 1: that you don't really know and they don't know how

1563
01:15:40,560 --> 01:15:42,160
Speaker 1: you play for sure makes sense.

1564
01:15:42,280 --> 01:15:45,400
Speaker 5: There's two good examples. I'll even bring up, you know, Ramel,

1565
01:15:45,560 --> 01:15:48,040
Speaker 5: even after our last clear of State game goes, there's

1566
01:15:48,040 --> 01:15:49,920
Speaker 5: nothing like playing in the Cress. And I was like,

1567
01:15:50,840 --> 01:15:53,559
Speaker 5: you're totally right, Like the energy and vibes are totally different.

1568
01:15:53,840 --> 01:15:55,880
Speaker 5: And guess what that's about half the people who are

1569
01:15:55,960 --> 01:15:58,439
Speaker 5: gonna get for Oakland and these other games knowing that

1570
01:15:58,439 --> 01:16:01,400
Speaker 5: we're good. So like, you're totally right. I think like

1571
01:16:01,520 --> 01:16:04,000
Speaker 5: even the players. Vermel has never been a part of it,

1572
01:16:04,040 --> 01:16:06,360
Speaker 5: but he sees that. And then the other example I'll

1573
01:16:06,360 --> 01:16:08,840
Speaker 5: give you is like, you know, one of our donors,

1574
01:16:08,880 --> 01:16:11,400
Speaker 5: Scott Perry, just text me and Kate and hey, you

1575
01:16:11,439 --> 01:16:13,600
Speaker 5: want to come over and hit golf balls on the stimulator,

1576
01:16:13,760 --> 01:16:15,760
Speaker 5: Like you know you're not gonna get that anywhere else.

1577
01:16:15,800 --> 01:16:18,720
Speaker 5: And I think that in the family style community of

1578
01:16:18,720 --> 01:16:21,360
Speaker 5: Green Bay, like that's a seller and that's something that

1579
01:16:21,400 --> 01:16:23,759
Speaker 5: you're gonna want to do even after basketball.

1580
01:16:23,800 --> 01:16:26,559
Speaker 1: Plus Blot gives us all the steaks, sure, really good.

1581
01:16:27,160 --> 01:16:31,200
Speaker 1: Favorite cut of steak is what play? How do you

1582
01:16:31,240 --> 01:16:31,599
Speaker 1: cook it?

1583
01:16:32,280 --> 01:16:32,840
Speaker 5: Meet him? Rare?

1584
01:16:33,120 --> 01:16:34,080
Speaker 1: No, but how do you cook it?

1585
01:16:35,360 --> 01:16:36,519
Speaker 5: I leave that to you.

1586
01:16:36,560 --> 01:16:37,360
Speaker 1: Don't cook steak?

1587
01:16:37,479 --> 01:16:39,840
Speaker 5: No, I don't know how to cook steak. I don't

1588
01:16:39,840 --> 01:16:41,639
Speaker 5: know how to cook anything. Really, I'm gonna be honest.

1589
01:16:41,960 --> 01:16:44,240
Speaker 1: You're you're my dad.

1590
01:16:44,240 --> 01:16:45,320
Speaker 5: I'm gonna blame it on my dad.

1591
01:16:45,960 --> 01:16:47,000
Speaker 1: Your dad can't work a grill.

1592
01:16:47,479 --> 01:16:49,760
Speaker 5: No, he's not where he's not a real guy. My

1593
01:16:49,840 --> 01:16:52,519
Speaker 5: grandpa on the other hand, my dad will even admit it.

1594
01:16:52,560 --> 01:16:54,600
Speaker 5: He's not a real guy. But my grandpa on the

1595
01:16:54,600 --> 01:16:57,519
Speaker 5: other hand, we're gonna have to get in the lab

1596
01:16:57,560 --> 01:16:59,120
Speaker 5: after basketball, or.

1597
01:16:59,160 --> 01:17:02,040
Speaker 1: You just come over to my house. You know I can.

1598
01:17:02,240 --> 01:17:05,600
Speaker 1: I can do everything from air fryer to oven, to

1599
01:17:06,320 --> 01:17:09,080
Speaker 1: on a skillet, to on a flat top to on

1600
01:17:09,160 --> 01:17:12,360
Speaker 1: a grill. Now what I can't do, I don't do

1601
01:17:12,439 --> 01:17:15,120
Speaker 1: like cast roles and stuff. And then I don't clean.

1602
01:17:15,760 --> 01:17:18,599
Speaker 1: That's just not my deal, right, I mean as part

1603
01:17:18,640 --> 01:17:20,519
Speaker 1: of like why my marriage was so good for so

1604
01:17:20,640 --> 01:17:24,160
Speaker 1: long is she didn't like to cook, and but she was.

1605
01:17:24,560 --> 01:17:29,080
Speaker 1: She's like the cleanest human being ever ever. Like we

1606
01:17:29,120 --> 01:17:31,519
Speaker 1: always call my house the museum. My house now not

1607
01:17:31,600 --> 01:17:34,800
Speaker 1: a museum, right unless I hire a professional cleaner lead,

1608
01:17:36,000 --> 01:17:39,000
Speaker 1: But it's good m cooks. How does how does she

1609
01:17:39,040 --> 01:17:40,479
Speaker 1: make mistake on the band?

1610
01:17:40,600 --> 01:17:43,439
Speaker 5: Because the apartment has a dumb roll where you can't

1611
01:17:43,520 --> 01:17:44,559
Speaker 5: have a grill, or.

1612
01:17:44,760 --> 01:17:46,519
Speaker 1: She do pan but then into the oven, or she

1613
01:17:46,600 --> 01:17:48,240
Speaker 1: just do pan in the whole stud I do pan

1614
01:17:48,320 --> 01:17:53,600
Speaker 1: in the oven, in the oven, I will I'll do

1615
01:17:53,680 --> 01:17:57,040
Speaker 1: I'll do Jedi training whenever. Now do you win? Okay?

1616
01:17:57,080 --> 01:18:00,760
Speaker 1: So the perfect meal is a filet with what else?

1617
01:18:03,600 --> 01:18:03,880
Speaker 5: I like?

1618
01:18:04,320 --> 01:18:07,680
Speaker 1: Asparagus is the it's like the perfect blend. Right you

1619
01:18:07,720 --> 01:18:10,040
Speaker 1: feel like, Okay, I'm a little healthy, and I like

1620
01:18:10,080 --> 01:18:12,360
Speaker 1: a pig. But the flay no fat? Or does it

1621
01:18:12,360 --> 01:18:14,400
Speaker 1: feels like no fat? So that's that's pretty? And then

1622
01:18:14,439 --> 01:18:14,640
Speaker 1: what else?

1623
01:18:15,200 --> 01:18:16,439
Speaker 5: Potato?

1624
01:18:16,600 --> 01:18:19,400
Speaker 1: Well, then there goes the whole dietary stuff.

1625
01:18:19,920 --> 01:18:23,000
Speaker 5: And then you know mac and cheese too. We're gonna

1626
01:18:23,000 --> 01:18:24,519
Speaker 5: sprinkle something something else in.

1627
01:18:24,479 --> 01:18:26,840
Speaker 1: There, Okay? And then do you have a beer with

1628
01:18:26,880 --> 01:18:28,040
Speaker 1: that meal? Or do you do?

1629
01:18:28,280 --> 01:18:30,080
Speaker 5: For sure, you can have a beer with any meal,

1630
01:18:30,200 --> 01:18:31,160
Speaker 5: it doesn't matter.

1631
01:18:34,320 --> 01:18:36,920
Speaker 1: But but that doesn't spoil the meal. And anyway you

1632
01:18:37,600 --> 01:18:41,120
Speaker 1: bring up flavor. God, I am so not I'm so

1633
01:18:41,320 --> 01:18:45,960
Speaker 1: not full Wisconsin. I mean honestly, like, I'm not against beer.

1634
01:18:46,080 --> 01:18:48,280
Speaker 1: I like beer, but I like beer kind of on

1635
01:18:48,320 --> 01:18:52,880
Speaker 1: its own, shower beer, hot day beer or like end

1636
01:18:52,920 --> 01:18:56,719
Speaker 1: of day. I just need a beer.

1637
01:18:57,840 --> 01:18:58,760
Speaker 5: You need a victory beer.

1638
01:18:58,840 --> 01:19:01,920
Speaker 1: Then do you need a victory beer, victory beer and

1639
01:19:01,960 --> 01:19:04,680
Speaker 1: a shower beer in the same night. That's a good night.

1640
01:19:05,040 --> 01:19:06,479
Speaker 1: I will point this out. And I don't know if

1641
01:19:06,520 --> 01:19:09,080
Speaker 1: you did this when he came home from Valpo first time,

1642
01:19:09,120 --> 01:19:12,120
Speaker 1: you crack open the beer with your dad home, like

1643
01:19:12,120 --> 01:19:13,720
Speaker 1: your dad's like, hey, you go and get me a beer,

1644
01:19:13,720 --> 01:19:16,760
Speaker 1: and you go like, oh, oh, I brought you one too.

1645
01:19:17,240 --> 01:19:18,000
Speaker 1: That's a big moment.

1646
01:19:18,040 --> 01:19:18,479
Speaker 4: I agree.

1647
01:19:18,640 --> 01:19:22,120
Speaker 1: I agree, that's a that's a big moment. The resident

1648
01:19:22,200 --> 01:19:25,000
Speaker 1: mayor and co owner of the Green Bay Packers, he's

1649
01:19:25,040 --> 01:19:28,360
Speaker 1: also the captain. Although we didn't have a captain's vote.

1650
01:19:28,400 --> 01:19:30,200
Speaker 1: I just just you know, I just named you the captain.

1651
01:19:30,240 --> 01:19:32,519
Speaker 1: I think we already knew that. There you go, and

1652
01:19:32,560 --> 01:19:34,720
Speaker 1: we are going to be suing the NCAA soon for

1653
01:19:34,960 --> 01:19:39,040
Speaker 1: another year. Unfortunately, there'll probably be very little practicing that occurs.

1654
01:19:39,520 --> 01:19:50,360
Speaker 1: If you get another Preston Rudiger Raldy, great stuff you well.

1655
01:19:50,400 --> 01:19:53,800
Speaker 1: At the time of this airing, I believe we'll we'll

1656
01:19:53,880 --> 01:19:57,360
Speaker 1: beaten the Oakland Golden Grizzlies and Greg Campy, which means

1657
01:19:57,360 --> 01:20:01,120
Speaker 1: we're on our way back to Ohio. I think on Wednesday,

1658
01:20:01,520 --> 01:20:05,280
Speaker 1: Youngstown State's on Thursday and then Robert Morris who won

1659
01:20:05,320 --> 01:20:07,840
Speaker 1: the league, won the league tournament and got away with

1660
01:20:07,920 --> 01:20:11,519
Speaker 1: one at the Crest Center buck in two thousand twenty

1661
01:20:11,560 --> 01:20:15,200
Speaker 1: five at the end of twenty five when they when

1662
01:20:15,200 --> 01:20:17,320
Speaker 1: they when they took down us as we had eleven

1663
01:20:17,320 --> 01:20:19,679
Speaker 1: point lead with like two in chains to go. That one.

1664
01:20:20,080 --> 01:20:22,360
Speaker 1: That one still doesn't sit well with me. By the way,

1665
01:20:22,360 --> 01:20:26,320
Speaker 1: if anybody's watching, just understand, I am a Jedi and

1666
01:20:26,439 --> 01:20:28,400
Speaker 1: I did not throw the stool. Wasn't the chair of

1667
01:20:28,400 --> 01:20:31,839
Speaker 1: the stool. I used the force to move the stool.

1668
01:20:31,920 --> 01:20:34,400
Speaker 1: There's no video of me throwing the stool. I just

1669
01:20:34,960 --> 01:20:40,439
Speaker 1: moved the stool, much like Luke Skywalker in Was It Strike?

1670
01:20:40,680 --> 01:20:43,639
Speaker 1: You know, his Return of the Jedi. No, the Empire

1671
01:20:43,640 --> 01:20:46,439
Speaker 1: strikes back right where he finally he was trying to

1672
01:20:46,560 --> 01:20:51,080
Speaker 1: lift the x wing I think out of the swamp.

1673
01:20:51,600 --> 01:20:53,439
Speaker 1: And then of course Yoda did it on his own

1674
01:20:54,160 --> 01:20:58,920
Speaker 1: Yoda anyway, that's what really happened. But I appreciate the

1675
01:20:58,960 --> 01:21:02,280
Speaker 1: folks at WFRV. WFRV plus you'll see more of this

1676
01:21:02,320 --> 01:21:04,519
Speaker 1: on a weekly basis. Plus see some of me on

1677
01:21:04,600 --> 01:21:07,599
Speaker 1: the TV side. If you enjoyed it, share with a friend.

1678
01:21:08,240 --> 01:21:10,120
Speaker 1: If you enjoyed it, make sure you make a comment.

1679
01:21:10,200 --> 01:21:12,800
Speaker 1: If you enjoyed it, download it and make it part

1680
01:21:12,840 --> 01:21:16,080
Speaker 1: of your queue on a daily or weekly basis. I'm

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01:21:16,080 --> 01:21:18,280
Speaker 1: Doug Gottliebin. This is the Doug Gottlieb Show.