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Speaker 1: the rookie quarterbacks. A lot going on First and Foremost

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Speaker 1: he's on the field. So I'm not I'm rooting for

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Speaker 1: him to be one hundredcent healthy and it's never to

428
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Speaker 1: be an issue again. But I don't know. You read

429
00:23:26,320 --> 00:23:28,920
Speaker 1: things like that, you get a little scared, and last

430
00:23:28,920 --> 00:23:32,640
Speaker 1: but not least, the moment, Bill Belichick couldn't get a job.

431
00:23:33,480 --> 00:23:36,159
Speaker 1: Like Julian Edelman said, Foxborough High wouldn't even hire you,

432
00:23:36,880 --> 00:23:39,280
Speaker 1: even though I think if Bill was interested, Foxborough High

433
00:23:39,359 --> 00:23:42,880
Speaker 1: might have interest, but was to get on Thursday night

434
00:23:42,880 --> 00:23:47,200
Speaker 1: football Amazon Prime or Monday Night Football, which was impossible

435
00:23:47,200 --> 00:23:49,879
Speaker 1: because of Joe and Troy. So basically your only option

436
00:23:50,160 --> 00:23:53,360
Speaker 1: was could you get in the booth for Thursday night football.

437
00:23:53,560 --> 00:23:57,080
Speaker 1: Kirkherbstreet college guy, one of the best college guys of

438
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Speaker 1: all time. I don't love him in the NFL. Part

439
00:24:00,280 --> 00:24:02,639
Speaker 1: of him and Al have weird chemistry. It's just not

440
00:24:02,720 --> 00:24:06,000
Speaker 1: a great broadcast. As someone who's been watching sports broadcasts

441
00:24:06,040 --> 00:24:09,000
Speaker 1: for that I can remember for thirty five plus years,

442
00:24:09,480 --> 00:24:11,760
Speaker 1: I think we all agree it's it's one of the

443
00:24:11,840 --> 00:24:15,680
Speaker 1: rougher Ones. It feels more like a lower level Sunday

444
00:24:15,720 --> 00:24:18,840
Speaker 1: game at ten o'clock in the morning Pacific Standard time

445
00:24:19,320 --> 00:24:21,679
Speaker 1: than it does one of the marquee games. When you

446
00:24:21,720 --> 00:24:25,040
Speaker 1: turn on Sunday Night Football and you get Turrico and Collinsworth,

447
00:24:25,119 --> 00:24:27,400
Speaker 1: like they just have really good chemistry, just like al

448
00:24:27,480 --> 00:24:31,159
Speaker 1: Michaels and Collinsworth had really good chemistry. Joe Buck and

449
00:24:31,200 --> 00:24:34,560
Speaker 1: Troy Aikman have really good chemistry. There's this clunky and

450
00:24:34,880 --> 00:24:37,120
Speaker 1: part of it is like a Kirkus in a weird way,

451
00:24:37,119 --> 00:24:41,040
Speaker 1: an outsider. And if you just remove herb Street put Belichick,

452
00:24:41,400 --> 00:24:43,880
Speaker 1: it would be an incredible way to change the perception.

453
00:24:44,320 --> 00:24:46,280
Speaker 1: Because there are two games a week that every owner

454
00:24:46,320 --> 00:24:48,040
Speaker 1: in the league, beside the two playing in the game

455
00:24:48,280 --> 00:24:51,639
Speaker 1: watch that is Thursday and Monday Night Football. Well that

456
00:24:51,680 --> 00:24:54,240
Speaker 1: didn't happen, and I was like, God, I hope Bill

457
00:24:54,280 --> 00:24:57,280
Speaker 1: doesn't do some like pregame show or do something stupid.

458
00:24:57,400 --> 00:24:59,960
Speaker 1: Those are so dumb that you don't even get any

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Speaker 1: out of that. Plus, especially on Sundays, most of these

460
00:25:03,000 --> 00:25:06,080
Speaker 1: owners don't watch any of that stuff because his perception

461
00:25:06,400 --> 00:25:09,159
Speaker 1: is bad. Now, I do think the roast helped change it.

462
00:25:09,600 --> 00:25:12,080
Speaker 1: I wonder if the roast was like a pivotal moment

463
00:25:12,160 --> 00:25:14,880
Speaker 1: for society when it's just like, yeah, we just say

464
00:25:14,880 --> 00:25:17,320
Speaker 1: whatever you want again, let's just let it rip. If

465
00:25:17,320 --> 00:25:19,679
Speaker 1: those guys are doing it like it was, it's one

466
00:25:19,720 --> 00:25:22,879
Speaker 1: of the most refreshing events I've seen in a long time.

467
00:25:23,320 --> 00:25:27,200
Speaker 1: It felt like a moment. It really did problems Tom

468
00:25:27,240 --> 00:25:28,879
Speaker 1: Brady for doing that. I know we got paid a

469
00:25:28,880 --> 00:25:31,680
Speaker 1: lot of money, but I can't imagine many people of

470
00:25:31,720 --> 00:25:36,119
Speaker 1: his statures status would would have pulled the trigger on that.

471
00:25:36,320 --> 00:25:40,239
Speaker 1: Maybe he just really hates his ex wife. But it

472
00:25:40,280 --> 00:25:44,680
Speaker 1: was announced I think on Friday with Peyton Manning that

473
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Speaker 1: Bill Belichick will be on every first quarter of the

474
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Speaker 1: Manning Cast and for the first time. I like most people,

475
00:25:53,600 --> 00:25:55,560
Speaker 1: the Manning Cast when it first started was really cool.

476
00:25:56,119 --> 00:25:59,639
Speaker 1: It was awesome. Well, the moment they hired Joe and Troy,

477
00:26:00,359 --> 00:26:03,359
Speaker 1: I just started watching the broadcast, I was like, I

478
00:26:03,400 --> 00:26:05,680
Speaker 1: love Peyton and Eli and I like hanging out with them,

479
00:26:05,800 --> 00:26:07,960
Speaker 1: but they have weird guests on Zoom and it just

480
00:26:08,640 --> 00:26:12,280
Speaker 1: I don't really care, like what Kevin Hart's saying during

481
00:26:12,280 --> 00:26:14,160
Speaker 1: the Eagle game, Like I just want to watch the game.

482
00:26:15,119 --> 00:26:17,359
Speaker 1: I do think getting Bill Belichick on the first quarter

483
00:26:18,080 --> 00:26:20,919
Speaker 1: is would get me, like, get me to change the channel.

484
00:26:21,760 --> 00:26:23,640
Speaker 1: And I do think it'll get the owners to change

485
00:26:23,680 --> 00:26:27,359
Speaker 1: the channel because one thing he showed at the roast,

486
00:26:28,080 --> 00:26:32,480
Speaker 1: and he showed at McAfee with the draft. I saw

487
00:26:32,520 --> 00:26:35,320
Speaker 1: some of the clips, and this is like most people

488
00:26:35,400 --> 00:26:38,960
Speaker 1: you follow, like on Instagram, write or Twitter or any

489
00:26:39,000 --> 00:26:41,560
Speaker 1: your social media channels, you're gonna have a perception. You're

490
00:26:41,600 --> 00:26:45,720
Speaker 1: gonna think something about them, especially any famous person that's

491
00:26:45,760 --> 00:26:48,800
Speaker 1: like real, that's like fake. It's like reality television on

492
00:26:49,600 --> 00:26:52,600
Speaker 1: social media. If you in hell, you might follow some

493
00:26:52,640 --> 00:26:54,640
Speaker 1: people you hate. I do it. It's sick, I know,

494
00:26:54,960 --> 00:26:57,600
Speaker 1: but I definitely follow some people I hate. I bet

495
00:26:57,640 --> 00:27:00,320
Speaker 1: if you met them, they might be nothing like they're

496
00:27:00,800 --> 00:27:03,960
Speaker 1: online persona, And hell, you might like him. And I

497
00:27:03,960 --> 00:27:07,680
Speaker 1: think most people just assume. I'll Belichick curmudgeon, asshole, tough

498
00:27:07,720 --> 00:27:13,600
Speaker 1: to dick, miserable, just not fun. And I wonder if

499
00:27:13,600 --> 00:27:15,720
Speaker 1: he can loosen up because he's gonna go on McAfee

500
00:27:15,800 --> 00:27:20,280
Speaker 1: during the day on Monday, which his clips, especially if

501
00:27:20,280 --> 00:27:22,200
Speaker 1: he lets it loose on a team or a coach,

502
00:27:22,320 --> 00:27:25,480
Speaker 1: will definitely go viral and that will be passed around

503
00:27:25,560 --> 00:27:29,280
Speaker 1: the NFL world fast and I think him with Peyton

504
00:27:29,320 --> 00:27:33,679
Speaker 1: and Eli could be very, very beneficial to his career

505
00:27:34,400 --> 00:27:37,480
Speaker 1: because he's no lock to get a job next year.

506
00:27:37,520 --> 00:27:40,600
Speaker 1: I know everyone thinks it, but I don't know. You

507
00:27:40,640 --> 00:27:43,600
Speaker 1: talk about a seventy four year old guy. Some of

508
00:27:43,640 --> 00:27:45,840
Speaker 1: these teams that we think are gonna suck, what if

509
00:27:45,880 --> 00:27:49,400
Speaker 1: they don't? Some of these teams that are gonna inevitably

510
00:27:49,440 --> 00:27:51,879
Speaker 1: fire coaches, what if their team's just terrible? And he's like,

511
00:27:51,920 --> 00:27:54,600
Speaker 1: I'm not even interested in doing that. Maybe he would

512
00:27:54,640 --> 00:27:57,639
Speaker 1: be so desperate, But I do think this will go

513
00:27:57,760 --> 00:28:01,800
Speaker 1: a long long way of just the owners that had,

514
00:28:01,920 --> 00:28:04,360
Speaker 1: let's face it, I mean he got one interview, one

515
00:28:04,400 --> 00:28:08,119
Speaker 1: team interviewed, pretty sure, they were like six or seven openings,

516
00:28:08,520 --> 00:28:10,800
Speaker 1: and I think this could this could help change it.

517
00:28:10,840 --> 00:28:13,600
Speaker 1: And I'm interested to watch. Like I said, I didn't

518
00:28:13,600 --> 00:28:16,280
Speaker 1: go to Peyton and Eli at all last year, and

519
00:28:16,640 --> 00:28:19,720
Speaker 1: not because I don't like him. I would say universally,

520
00:28:19,760 --> 00:28:22,320
Speaker 1: most people enjoy Payton an Eli on tv BS and

521
00:28:22,359 --> 00:28:25,480
Speaker 1: about football. It's fun, but like I and part of

522
00:28:25,520 --> 00:28:26,680
Speaker 1: it is I do this for a job, Like I

523
00:28:26,800 --> 00:28:29,040
Speaker 1: kind of I like locking in and Joe and Troy

524
00:28:29,080 --> 00:28:31,600
Speaker 1: are good. I mean, I know Joe Buck on the internet.

525
00:28:31,640 --> 00:28:33,880
Speaker 1: Everyone thinks he sucks, Like, yeah, he's actually really good,

526
00:28:34,040 --> 00:28:36,880
Speaker 1: probably one of the all time greats. And Troy's kind

527
00:28:36,880 --> 00:28:38,920
Speaker 1: of my style, you know, He's kind of a dying

528
00:28:39,000 --> 00:28:41,960
Speaker 1: breed of a guy that will just rip people. You know,

529
00:28:42,600 --> 00:28:45,160
Speaker 1: that was an awful call by the offensive coordinator. He

530
00:28:45,240 --> 00:28:48,080
Speaker 1: watched some of these broadcasts. Everyone's just the greatest. It's like, God,

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00:28:48,680 --> 00:28:50,600
Speaker 1: that's not what we're thinking when we're sitting on our

532
00:28:50,640 --> 00:28:52,760
Speaker 1: couch watching this game. We just saw him, you know,

533
00:28:52,840 --> 00:28:56,400
Speaker 1: run a quarterback sneak on third and eight. But I

534
00:28:57,440 --> 00:28:59,840
Speaker 1: do think he's gonna get a lot of traffic. It's

535
00:29:00,000 --> 00:29:01,760
Speaker 1: actually in that first quarter. If I was Joe and Troy,

536
00:29:01,800 --> 00:29:05,200
Speaker 1: I'd be like, what is now? Both of them got

537
00:29:05,360 --> 00:29:07,520
Speaker 1: enormous amounts of money. I mean, I think Troy signed

538
00:29:07,520 --> 00:29:10,040
Speaker 1: for a buck fifty and Buck signed for like eighty

539
00:29:10,080 --> 00:29:13,640
Speaker 1: million dollars. But I wouldn't love that because it's gonna

540
00:29:13,720 --> 00:29:25,960
Speaker 1: make some people change the channel. Okay, Middlecoff mailbag at

541
00:29:26,000 --> 00:29:31,200
Speaker 1: John Middlecoff is the Instagram. You guys probably have Instagram,

542
00:29:31,240 --> 00:29:34,560
Speaker 1: So just fireing my dms at John Middlecoff two fs

543
00:29:34,640 --> 00:29:38,640
Speaker 1: dms wide open for the pod. I'm curious as to

544
00:29:38,720 --> 00:29:42,120
Speaker 1: what you think was going through Raheem Morris's mind to

545
00:29:42,200 --> 00:29:46,080
Speaker 1: take Pennix at eight. He hasn't proved himself as a

546
00:29:46,120 --> 00:29:49,440
Speaker 1: head coach, and he took a very capable quarterback. I

547
00:29:49,440 --> 00:29:52,160
Speaker 1: think he means Cousins, So he basically set himself up

548
00:29:52,200 --> 00:29:54,320
Speaker 1: for a bidding war amongst fans and the owner of

549
00:29:54,320 --> 00:29:57,920
Speaker 1: the team. I would understand if Blank wanted him, but

550
00:29:58,000 --> 00:30:02,920
Speaker 1: it's like he set himself up for failure. You know,

551
00:30:03,000 --> 00:30:07,000
Speaker 1: the most underrated part about this entire story has not

552
00:30:07,240 --> 00:30:11,200
Speaker 1: been that they fell in love with him the last

553
00:30:11,240 --> 00:30:16,560
Speaker 1: month and a half, that Cousins was shell shocked how

554
00:30:16,640 --> 00:30:21,040
Speaker 1: much money they gave Cousins, all this stuff. It's just

555
00:30:21,160 --> 00:30:24,400
Speaker 1: simply that this guy in his first year and a

556
00:30:24,480 --> 00:30:29,280
Speaker 1: GM that has had three seven win seasons, his twenty

557
00:30:29,320 --> 00:30:34,160
Speaker 1: one wins in three years, set up their locker room

558
00:30:34,280 --> 00:30:37,720
Speaker 1: for weirdness. Because you have to factor in that Cousins,

559
00:30:38,720 --> 00:30:41,280
Speaker 1: at least I haven't read. While he might be ready

560
00:30:41,280 --> 00:30:45,280
Speaker 1: for week one, he is not going to be participating

561
00:30:45,360 --> 00:30:48,720
Speaker 1: on the field in full speed drills for OTAs. So

562
00:30:48,840 --> 00:30:53,680
Speaker 1: pendix is this is not some young team or some

563
00:30:53,920 --> 00:30:56,760
Speaker 1: veteran team that is like, hey, listen, we wanted cousins.

564
00:30:57,360 --> 00:31:00,600
Speaker 1: Young guys. This is a bunch of young guys. Robinson's

565
00:31:00,560 --> 00:31:02,720
Speaker 1: second year, Drake London a couple of years in the league.

566
00:31:03,160 --> 00:31:05,239
Speaker 1: Kyle Pitts just got his fifth year option picked up.

567
00:31:05,920 --> 00:31:10,240
Speaker 1: Like these are young, impressionable people on offense that are

568
00:31:10,240 --> 00:31:13,920
Speaker 1: going to be getting the ball with, you know, on

569
00:31:14,040 --> 00:31:17,520
Speaker 1: the field, in the huddle, practicing with Michael Pennix for

570
00:31:17,560 --> 00:31:20,160
Speaker 1: a month and a half. Who think they're gonna go

571
00:31:20,240 --> 00:31:26,680
Speaker 1: to dinner with husbands? Are Pennix? The locker room dynamics.

572
00:31:27,840 --> 00:31:31,400
Speaker 1: I heard this about New England forever one reason when

573
00:31:31,400 --> 00:31:33,560
Speaker 1: they were winning all the Super Bowls and always drafting

574
00:31:33,640 --> 00:31:37,080
Speaker 1: somewhere between like twenty eight and thirty two. While why

575
00:31:37,160 --> 00:31:40,720
Speaker 1: Bill often traded out of the first round and even

576
00:31:40,720 --> 00:31:43,240
Speaker 1: if they were higher than that was because he never

577
00:31:43,480 --> 00:31:45,600
Speaker 1: liked a rookie on these teams that were really good

578
00:31:45,640 --> 00:31:48,480
Speaker 1: to come in making a decent amount of money that

579
00:31:48,560 --> 00:31:51,000
Speaker 1: he didn't view as some like camp miss player. And

580
00:31:51,120 --> 00:31:55,880
Speaker 1: obviously he did draft some guys high, but I think

581
00:31:55,880 --> 00:31:58,719
Speaker 1: you have to factor in the locker room dynamics, like

582
00:31:59,120 --> 00:32:03,080
Speaker 1: this is not an Excel spreadsheet, These aren't widgets, so

583
00:32:03,200 --> 00:32:06,680
Speaker 1: we can argue over the wasted money on Cousins, the

584
00:32:06,680 --> 00:32:09,640
Speaker 1: wasted draft pick. Well, they did it. They got the

585
00:32:09,680 --> 00:32:12,840
Speaker 1: two guys together, but one guy can't practice, and he's

586
00:32:12,880 --> 00:32:15,280
Speaker 1: the guy making forty five million dollars a year. He

587
00:32:15,360 --> 00:32:19,880
Speaker 1: has no equity with the fans or the players. None. Yeah,

588
00:32:19,920 --> 00:32:22,320
Speaker 1: they saw Cousins be good in the league. But it's

589
00:32:22,320 --> 00:32:24,560
Speaker 1: twenty twenty four now and he's in the he's in

590
00:32:24,600 --> 00:32:29,040
Speaker 1: the training room, and this kid who is been in

591
00:32:29,080 --> 00:32:32,360
Speaker 1: college for five years, ready made starter. Now, I don't

592
00:32:32,360 --> 00:32:33,800
Speaker 1: know if he's gonna be good or not. I think

593
00:32:33,840 --> 00:32:36,440
Speaker 1: he probably will. I like Michael Pennix as a lot

594
00:32:36,480 --> 00:32:39,040
Speaker 1: as a prospect. My point is, no one knows, but

595
00:32:39,040 --> 00:32:42,080
Speaker 1: they're gonna see the kids slinging around. I heard someone

596
00:32:42,120 --> 00:32:44,400
Speaker 1: like Albert Breer total to Rich Eisen that some people

597
00:32:44,480 --> 00:32:48,080
Speaker 1: in that building, because they came from LA right, think

598
00:32:48,120 --> 00:32:50,840
Speaker 1: there's like some Matt Stafford there. Well, if there's some

599
00:32:50,880 --> 00:32:53,240
Speaker 1: Matt Stafford there, how the fuck Cousin's gonna beat him out.

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00:32:55,120 --> 00:32:59,440
Speaker 1: And it just shows you, like they the coaches fell

601
00:32:59,480 --> 00:33:01,960
Speaker 1: in love with him. The coaches fell in love with them.

602
00:33:02,520 --> 00:33:05,080
Speaker 1: Because this pick doesn't happen without the coach. This is

603
00:33:05,120 --> 00:33:08,320
Speaker 1: not a GM pick. It's just not You could have

604
00:33:08,360 --> 00:33:11,520
Speaker 1: taken Spencer Rattler in the third round. If you wanted

605
00:33:11,520 --> 00:33:13,760
Speaker 1: to take a young quarterback, you would have taken a

606
00:33:13,800 --> 00:33:17,360
Speaker 1: defensive player there. Oh, there wasn't a guy we had greater.

607
00:33:18,000 --> 00:33:22,160
Speaker 1: Just take the defensive tackle from Texas. No one's complaining.

608
00:33:23,120 --> 00:33:27,000
Speaker 1: I get the defensive lineman the ends, but they easily

609
00:33:27,000 --> 00:33:29,280
Speaker 1: could have taken the defensive tackle from Texas right there.

610
00:33:30,360 --> 00:33:35,200
Speaker 1: And the moment they made this pick, it's weird, and

611
00:33:35,320 --> 00:33:38,080
Speaker 1: the moment things get weird in locker rooms, there's usually

612
00:33:38,160 --> 00:33:44,160
Speaker 1: no coming back from it. So I just anyone comparing

613
00:33:44,200 --> 00:33:46,360
Speaker 1: this to the Packers is the dumbest thing of all time.

614
00:33:47,160 --> 00:33:50,800
Speaker 1: Jordan Love was one a complete project, and two he

615
00:33:50,960 --> 00:33:53,760
Speaker 1: was going in to a quarterback room led by Aaron

616
00:33:53,840 --> 00:33:58,960
Speaker 1: Rodgers who had multiple MVPs and was easily one of

617
00:33:59,000 --> 00:34:01,240
Speaker 1: the best players in the league, even off a down year,

618
00:34:04,200 --> 00:34:06,920
Speaker 1: had no chance to beat him out. The fans knew it,

619
00:34:07,000 --> 00:34:09,480
Speaker 1: the players knew it, My mom knew it. We all

620
00:34:09,560 --> 00:34:13,279
Speaker 1: knew it. That ain't here because I heard someone say

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00:34:13,280 --> 00:34:14,560
Speaker 1: this the other day and I was like, guy, that's

622
00:34:14,600 --> 00:34:17,640
Speaker 1: kind of right. It's not like they're buying Peyton Manning

623
00:34:17,640 --> 00:34:21,640
Speaker 1: in his prime this what does he really accomplished between

624
00:34:21,640 --> 00:34:24,040
Speaker 1: and I listen, Kirk Cousins, solid player, but he is

625
00:34:24,080 --> 00:34:26,600
Speaker 1: a regular season player. You're not getting some like all

626
00:34:26,600 --> 00:34:28,800
Speaker 1: time great, you're getting one of the highest paid players

627
00:34:28,800 --> 00:34:33,520
Speaker 1: of all time, but he's not exactly mister accomplished when

628
00:34:33,560 --> 00:34:36,600
Speaker 1: it comes to the resume in terms of like playoff victories,

629
00:34:37,080 --> 00:34:43,360
Speaker 1: dominating performances on primetime games. I think the risk of

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Speaker 1: all the human dynamics.

631
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Speaker 2: Is nuts.

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00:34:48,320 --> 00:34:51,080
Speaker 1: I really do. I think it's I think it's really

633
00:34:51,120 --> 00:34:54,760
Speaker 1: really high question for the Mailbag. You're the best NFL

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00:34:54,800 --> 00:34:59,120
Speaker 1: podcast out there, Carly, and I like you, buddy. Teams

635
00:34:59,120 --> 00:35:03,160
Speaker 1: are concerned aboutrunning quarterback sneaks because of injury risk. Why

636
00:35:03,200 --> 00:35:08,000
Speaker 1: do more teams not put the backup quarterback in these situations. Well,

637
00:35:08,040 --> 00:35:11,239
Speaker 1: if you put the backup quarterback in those situations, the

638
00:35:11,320 --> 00:35:15,600
Speaker 1: other team knows, like they one hundred percent know what's coming.

639
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Speaker 1: So I think that's coaches just hate, you know, tells

640
00:35:21,160 --> 00:35:24,680
Speaker 1: on their places. So you would never like when you

641
00:35:24,719 --> 00:35:27,680
Speaker 1: bring a certain guy in if it was just like

642
00:35:27,719 --> 00:35:30,480
Speaker 1: he's only running quarterback sneaks, That's why they would never

643
00:35:30,520 --> 00:35:33,200
Speaker 1: do it. Were there ever any players in the NFL

644
00:35:33,239 --> 00:35:35,560
Speaker 1: that you remember that had a fear of flying, kind

645
00:35:35,560 --> 00:35:40,440
Speaker 1: of like Madden in the bus. No, because it'd be

646
00:35:40,480 --> 00:35:43,880
Speaker 1: impossible to play college football without flying. So think about

647
00:35:44,040 --> 00:35:49,520
Speaker 1: the overwhelming majority of guys come from Power five schools.

648
00:35:50,080 --> 00:35:52,960
Speaker 1: You gotta fly, cal Pauly, they had to fly to

649
00:35:53,000 --> 00:35:56,520
Speaker 1: play Montana or whatever. So it's you can't really play

650
00:35:56,520 --> 00:35:59,440
Speaker 1: football at a high level in college of the pros

651
00:35:59,440 --> 00:36:01,560
Speaker 1: and not fly. How did you last year? In the

652
00:36:01,560 --> 00:36:05,440
Speaker 1: middle of season? Haven't missed an episode since Mailbag? I

653
00:36:05,480 --> 00:36:09,520
Speaker 1: watched the Eagles this grant all access twenty four draft

654
00:36:09,600 --> 00:36:13,400
Speaker 1: video on YouTube. I did as well. One thing I

655
00:36:13,480 --> 00:36:15,840
Speaker 1: noticed was that a couple of days before the draft,

656
00:36:16,000 --> 00:36:19,840
Speaker 1: the Eagles had a red Star meeting where the scouts

657
00:36:19,840 --> 00:36:23,040
Speaker 1: could put a star on a guy that they really

658
00:36:23,160 --> 00:36:25,640
Speaker 1: liked and bring him up to the rest of the group.

659
00:36:26,520 --> 00:36:28,160
Speaker 1: I don't know if you were part of those, but

660
00:36:28,200 --> 00:36:32,560
Speaker 1: from your perspective, what's the point. Everyone brings up different

661
00:36:32,560 --> 00:36:36,440
Speaker 1: players and says the same things about each player tough, resilient,

662
00:36:36,560 --> 00:36:40,320
Speaker 1: high football like, etc. How much does Howie a GM

663
00:36:40,440 --> 00:36:43,560
Speaker 1: take from this meeting. It's only two days before the draft,

664
00:36:43,760 --> 00:36:46,680
Speaker 1: so how much of an impact can it have? I

665
00:36:46,719 --> 00:36:48,640
Speaker 1: feel like it's more for the scouts to feel like

666
00:36:48,640 --> 00:36:53,000
Speaker 1: they're heard. I think it's more. I think a lot

667
00:36:53,040 --> 00:36:56,319
Speaker 1: of teams do versions of this. The point is leading

668
00:36:56,400 --> 00:36:58,719
Speaker 1: up to the draft, there is so much happening, so

669
00:36:58,719 --> 00:37:03,839
Speaker 1: many names out there. Board's huge. Your group has spent

670
00:37:04,000 --> 00:37:08,279
Speaker 1: so much work on grading all those players on that

671
00:37:08,360 --> 00:37:11,960
Speaker 1: draft board. It's basically to kind of get a little

672
00:37:11,960 --> 00:37:15,720
Speaker 1: clarity in the room, right because there's so much noise.

673
00:37:15,960 --> 00:37:18,560
Speaker 1: There's so much white noise. There's so many just shit

674
00:37:18,600 --> 00:37:21,839
Speaker 1: flying around. And if you're Howie're, if you're a GM,

675
00:37:22,200 --> 00:37:24,640
Speaker 1: it just gives you a chance to hear like six, seven,

676
00:37:24,840 --> 00:37:28,719
Speaker 1: ten names that you just know, like if we're in position,

677
00:37:28,800 --> 00:37:30,880
Speaker 1: because again, a lot of it's out of your control.

678
00:37:31,440 --> 00:37:33,560
Speaker 1: And one of the names on there was Jeremiah Trotter.

679
00:37:33,760 --> 00:37:37,000
Speaker 1: That's a bad example because he he's an eagle guy,

680
00:37:37,120 --> 00:37:38,680
Speaker 1: so it's like they would have been talking about him

681
00:37:38,719 --> 00:37:43,000
Speaker 1: no matter what. But just any player that if they've

682
00:37:43,040 --> 00:37:45,759
Speaker 1: been talking about hammered Home and this scout hammered Home

683
00:37:45,800 --> 00:37:48,320
Speaker 1: in the Red Star and then it's the fourth round

684
00:37:48,680 --> 00:37:51,359
Speaker 1: and how he's thinking, should we just take this guy?

685
00:37:52,160 --> 00:37:54,800
Speaker 1: Or you know we were gonna trade, but now instead

686
00:37:54,840 --> 00:37:57,080
Speaker 1: of making a trade. Let's just draft this player because

687
00:37:57,160 --> 00:37:58,960
Speaker 1: we all liked him. He came up in the Red

688
00:37:59,000 --> 00:38:02,640
Speaker 1: Star meeting. But I agree, it's not like you couldn't

689
00:38:02,760 --> 00:38:09,719
Speaker 1: quantify the power of that meeting. Is it necessary? Would

690
00:38:09,719 --> 00:38:12,160
Speaker 1: their draft have look the same without it, because like

691
00:38:12,200 --> 00:38:15,040
Speaker 1: you said, they've already talked about these players and people

692
00:38:15,120 --> 00:38:17,160
Speaker 1: know they like them. I think it's just a hammer

693
00:38:17,200 --> 00:38:20,919
Speaker 1: at home. It's just it's like practice. It's like, did

694
00:38:20,960 --> 00:38:24,480
Speaker 1: you really need that last rep on Friday afternoon? Did that?

695
00:38:25,760 --> 00:38:28,920
Speaker 1: Was that the reason you won the game on Sunday? No?

696
00:38:29,040 --> 00:38:33,760
Speaker 1: But it helped, So I think it's just repetition. Listen

697
00:38:35,440 --> 00:38:37,480
Speaker 1: how he's making seven figures but no one else in

698
00:38:37,520 --> 00:38:41,800
Speaker 1: the room is, and most of the guys are closer

699
00:38:41,800 --> 00:38:45,520
Speaker 1: to one hundred grand than three hundred. So it it

700
00:38:46,239 --> 00:38:49,200
Speaker 1: the And this is not like some nine to five job.

701
00:38:50,040 --> 00:38:54,440
Speaker 1: This is one hundred hour week job. So given the

702
00:38:54,520 --> 00:38:59,160
Speaker 1: amount of people, even my girlfriend's friends who just rushing

703
00:38:59,200 --> 00:39:03,480
Speaker 1: it in business, rushing it. And I'm talking funny whenever

704
00:39:03,480 --> 00:39:06,879
Speaker 1: I read about pay for younger people, I mean, her

705
00:39:06,920 --> 00:39:09,799
Speaker 1: friends are in their late twenties, early thirties. I mean,

706
00:39:09,840 --> 00:39:12,759
Speaker 1: I was like, Jesus didn't sniff that type coin at

707
00:39:12,760 --> 00:39:17,279
Speaker 1: the time, but they ain't working seventy hour weeks when

708
00:39:17,280 --> 00:39:18,880
Speaker 1: they're doing it. Because you know, you get in the

709
00:39:18,960 --> 00:39:23,360
Speaker 1: right industry at the right time. You're good at sales, whatever, football,

710
00:39:23,400 --> 00:39:28,320
Speaker 1: no matter what it's like, it are long fucking days,

711
00:39:29,000 --> 00:39:34,160
Speaker 1: long days, nine ten months a year. So for the

712
00:39:34,200 --> 00:39:37,359
Speaker 1: equivalent of the work ethic, it's like geez, you get

713
00:39:37,360 --> 00:39:39,799
Speaker 1: out of it, you realize, God, it's not really adding up.

714
00:39:40,600 --> 00:39:43,600
Speaker 1: But you got to make those guys feel included. That's

715
00:39:43,640 --> 00:39:47,239
Speaker 1: why the video that went viral of the Colts, I

716
00:39:47,280 --> 00:39:50,440
Speaker 1: don't know if he saw it, but one of their

717
00:39:50,480 --> 00:39:55,680
Speaker 1: scout was just hammering this guy all spring long, the

718
00:39:55,760 --> 00:39:58,600
Speaker 1: dB from Auburn, I forget his name, but he just

719
00:39:58,640 --> 00:40:00,840
Speaker 1: loved him. He loved him. He pushed it, he pushed them.

720
00:40:01,080 --> 00:40:02,840
Speaker 1: Then in the fifth round they looked up at the

721
00:40:02,880 --> 00:40:05,640
Speaker 1: board and Chris is like, screw it, we're taking them.

722
00:40:05,800 --> 00:40:10,240
Speaker 1: So he calls the dB from Auburn and he looks

723
00:40:10,280 --> 00:40:12,160
Speaker 1: back and all the scouts are in the room and

724
00:40:12,200 --> 00:40:14,040
Speaker 1: he calls up I think the guy's name is Jamie

725
00:40:14,120 --> 00:40:16,920
Speaker 1: the scout, and he says, come up here. You're making

726
00:40:16,920 --> 00:40:20,160
Speaker 1: the phone call. And part of it is like you

727
00:40:20,239 --> 00:40:23,160
Speaker 1: got to keep your people included if you're in a

728
00:40:23,239 --> 00:40:27,600
Speaker 1: management position, because it's easy to just feel like you're

729
00:40:27,600 --> 00:40:30,160
Speaker 1: just an independent contractor what's the point of this. I'm

730
00:40:30,200 --> 00:40:32,799
Speaker 1: just evaluating guys to evaluate them. No one actually cares

731
00:40:32,800 --> 00:40:35,680
Speaker 1: what I think. Even if they don't actually care what

732
00:40:35,719 --> 00:40:38,320
Speaker 1: you think, you're gonna lose them and you'll build a

733
00:40:38,360 --> 00:40:42,600
Speaker 1: bad culture. It's just business, one on one. So I

734
00:40:43,239 --> 00:40:46,880
Speaker 1: hear you with does the overall impact of some of

735
00:40:46,880 --> 00:40:51,120
Speaker 1: this stuff matter? You know, it's hard to know the

736
00:40:51,200 --> 00:40:55,160
Speaker 1: specific return on investment of all this craft, but I

737
00:40:55,160 --> 00:40:57,400
Speaker 1: think it is very very important to have people like

738
00:40:57,440 --> 00:41:00,279
Speaker 1: they feel included in the process, because it's very very

739
00:41:00,320 --> 00:41:03,239
Speaker 1: easy as a scout to just feel like you're not

740
00:41:03,320 --> 00:41:05,640
Speaker 1: even part of the draft process. You're like, wait, I

741
00:41:06,120 --> 00:41:10,480
Speaker 1: drove city to city, not making much money, eating subway

742
00:41:10,600 --> 00:41:14,560
Speaker 1: sandwiches and powering down mountain dew and had no life.

743
00:41:14,600 --> 00:41:18,799
Speaker 1: Didn't see my Beyonce, my family, my kids. I just

744
00:41:18,960 --> 00:41:22,160
Speaker 1: grinded my balls off, and now we get to the

745
00:41:22,200 --> 00:41:23,920
Speaker 1: draft meeting, which is the fun part. Why I did

746
00:41:23,920 --> 00:41:25,160
Speaker 1: all the work and now no one even cares what

747
00:41:25,239 --> 00:41:30,840
Speaker 1: I think. That sucks. I mean, it really really sucks.

748
00:41:31,440 --> 00:41:34,360
Speaker 1: Think about whatever you're doing in any of your company.

749
00:41:35,239 --> 00:41:38,719
Speaker 1: After a while, it's like you spend a lot of

750
00:41:38,760 --> 00:41:41,680
Speaker 1: time doing something you want to feel like it had

751
00:41:41,719 --> 00:41:44,560
Speaker 1: a purpose, like there was something behind it, and when

752
00:41:44,560 --> 00:41:46,680
Speaker 1: it doesn't feel that way. So I think it's more

753
00:41:46,760 --> 00:41:51,040
Speaker 1: for that, like the uh kind of bringing the group together.

754
00:41:52,680 --> 00:41:54,520
Speaker 1: I do think there's a tangible value just because you

755
00:41:54,560 --> 00:41:58,680
Speaker 1: hammer home the names. You see some of these boards,

756
00:41:58,719 --> 00:42:01,080
Speaker 1: even on some of these videos that are all blurred out,

757
00:42:01,280 --> 00:42:02,680
Speaker 1: I mean, you can barely see that. There are so

758
00:42:02,760 --> 00:42:06,160
Speaker 1: many names up there. It's just easy to get, you know,

759
00:42:06,280 --> 00:42:08,560
Speaker 1: kind of convoluted. You look at it, you're like, did

760
00:42:08,600 --> 00:42:11,720
Speaker 1: we like this guy? We like this guy? Recently news

761
00:42:11,760 --> 00:42:16,560
Speaker 1: broke that eighty on Mitchell A Donnie Mitchell, Adonna Mitchell.

762
00:42:16,680 --> 00:42:18,439
Speaker 1: I think I'm saying his name right to the wide

763
00:42:18,480 --> 00:42:20,880
Speaker 1: receiver from Texas on the Colts would be wearing number

764
00:42:20,880 --> 00:42:24,280
Speaker 1: ten to signify the ten receivers that were taken before

765
00:42:24,320 --> 00:42:26,960
Speaker 1: him in the draft. I'm a Colts fan, but can't

766
00:42:26,960 --> 00:42:31,680
Speaker 1: help but think this is cringe and immature, especially coming

767
00:42:31,680 --> 00:42:34,240
Speaker 1: from someone that dropped in the draft because of possible

768
00:42:34,320 --> 00:42:37,560
Speaker 1: character issues. Is my thinking out of line? What do

769
00:42:37,600 --> 00:42:42,120
Speaker 1: you think my first reaction is. I just don't care.

770
00:42:42,520 --> 00:42:45,399
Speaker 1: I don't think it matters. It would have been more

771
00:42:45,600 --> 00:42:49,720
Speaker 1: unique when less guys. There was a small, small handful

772
00:42:49,760 --> 00:42:52,239
Speaker 1: of guys playing receiver that didn't have a number in

773
00:42:52,239 --> 00:42:56,680
Speaker 1: the eighties. But how many of the receivers now wear

774
00:42:56,920 --> 00:42:59,400
Speaker 1: ten to nineteen you know that have numbers in the

775
00:42:59,400 --> 00:43:02,759
Speaker 1: teens or I guess even single digits. So to me,

776
00:43:02,880 --> 00:43:06,160
Speaker 1: with the number change, it's like we don't even notice.

777
00:43:06,400 --> 00:43:08,799
Speaker 1: It's an easy thing to say once he gets good.

778
00:43:10,000 --> 00:43:12,879
Speaker 1: I don't think it matters at all. And I don't

779
00:43:12,880 --> 00:43:15,560
Speaker 1: think it's a reflection like he might have worn ten

780
00:43:16,200 --> 00:43:19,640
Speaker 1: no matter what, because the numbers on the team are

781
00:43:19,680 --> 00:43:26,239
Speaker 1: already taken. Yeah, I don't. I don't think it impacts,

782
00:43:26,440 --> 00:43:29,360
Speaker 1: like from a I can't make a judgment from a

783
00:43:29,440 --> 00:43:31,879
Speaker 1: character standpoint because he wants to wear ten. I mean,

784
00:43:32,280 --> 00:43:34,600
Speaker 1: kind of wide receivers in the league war ten. Now,

785
00:43:35,280 --> 00:43:37,719
Speaker 1: why wouldn't the Steelers play justin fields at running back?

786
00:43:38,640 --> 00:43:40,960
Speaker 1: Ravens put Lamar and Flacco on the field together, but

787
00:43:41,000 --> 00:43:44,920
Speaker 1: they split Flacco wide, which was worthless. Haysom Hill had

788
00:43:44,920 --> 00:43:47,280
Speaker 1: found a role as a second quarterback on the field

789
00:43:47,719 --> 00:43:50,840
Speaker 1: and has even thrown passes. Is there a downside to

790
00:43:50,880 --> 00:43:53,799
Speaker 1: having a guy back there that can run well and

791
00:43:53,840 --> 00:43:56,880
Speaker 1: also throw like a semi legit quarterback, seems like it

792
00:43:56,920 --> 00:44:00,200
Speaker 1: could create a problem. Yeah, I mean they're already talking

793
00:44:00,200 --> 00:44:03,200
Speaker 1: about putting a kick returner. People laugh, but it's like

794
00:44:03,560 --> 00:44:05,879
Speaker 1: Justin Fields would be a dynamic kick return I saw

795
00:44:05,920 --> 00:44:09,759
Speaker 1: Sean Payton said, I don't think people realize how many

796
00:44:09,800 --> 00:44:14,279
Speaker 1: explosive plays are gonna come from this kickoff because there's

797
00:44:14,280 --> 00:44:18,040
Speaker 1: not like a line of defense. Right when you're playing

798
00:44:18,080 --> 00:44:20,280
Speaker 1: a defense, there are guys in the line of scrimmage,

799
00:44:20,320 --> 00:44:24,040
Speaker 1: the defensive line, linebackers backed off, you know, anywhere from

800
00:44:24,160 --> 00:44:27,760
Speaker 1: three to six seven yards, and then you have multiple

801
00:44:27,800 --> 00:44:31,240
Speaker 1: corners on the outside as well as safeties. The safety

802
00:44:31,320 --> 00:44:34,719
Speaker 1: is essentially the kicker, and everyone's at the line five

803
00:44:34,800 --> 00:44:37,759
Speaker 1: yards away from you know, the people trying to block them.

804
00:44:38,360 --> 00:44:43,719
Speaker 1: So if you reverse field and can make a guy

805
00:44:43,760 --> 00:44:47,160
Speaker 1: miss or break a tackle, I think we are going

806
00:44:47,280 --> 00:44:52,759
Speaker 1: to see countless touchdowns and definitely big plays. So Justin

807
00:44:52,800 --> 00:44:57,440
Speaker 1: Fields is proven to be an incredible open field runner. Like,

808
00:44:57,520 --> 00:44:59,359
Speaker 1: let's face it, he's got a big arm, but he's

809
00:44:59,360 --> 00:45:01,759
Speaker 1: not accurate, doesn't play well from the pocket. So far,

810
00:45:01,800 --> 00:45:03,759
Speaker 1: he hasn't been a good quarterback, though, I would like

811
00:45:03,800 --> 00:45:05,759
Speaker 1: to see what Arthur Smith can do it. There is

812
00:45:05,840 --> 00:45:08,440
Speaker 1: no one that argues open field ball in his hands.

813
00:45:08,560 --> 00:45:11,719
Speaker 1: He's one of the more dynamic players in the league. Now,

814
00:45:11,760 --> 00:45:15,880
Speaker 1: it's different catching the ball than just getting a snap

815
00:45:15,920 --> 00:45:19,040
Speaker 1: to you. But yeah, I mean I definitely would have

816
00:45:19,080 --> 00:45:23,840
Speaker 1: because Russell Wilson no longer like the athletic element of

817
00:45:23,880 --> 00:45:26,840
Speaker 1: his game is long gone. I think we're gonna see,

818
00:45:27,160 --> 00:45:30,319
Speaker 1: especially if they think after training camp, like you know,

819
00:45:31,000 --> 00:45:33,880
Speaker 1: making this guy good quarterbacks not necessarily possible. Why wouldn't

820
00:45:33,920 --> 00:45:36,600
Speaker 1: you just utilize the skill set and just turn him

821
00:45:36,640 --> 00:45:40,000
Speaker 1: into a hybrid. I think it could happen fast, like

822
00:45:40,080 --> 00:45:43,800
Speaker 1: Lamar approved really quickly that he could throw if and

823
00:45:43,840 --> 00:45:45,600
Speaker 1: it's gonna be harder for fields. If Russell's just the

824
00:45:45,640 --> 00:45:47,600
Speaker 1: starter and he's not playing, you might as well want

825
00:45:47,600 --> 00:45:50,360
Speaker 1: to use the player. But the problem is your backup quarterback,

826
00:45:50,840 --> 00:45:52,560
Speaker 1: and then if Russell were to get hurt, you'd kind

827
00:45:52,600 --> 00:45:56,480
Speaker 1: of be screwed. So it is a slippery slope. Because

828
00:45:57,760 --> 00:45:59,959
Speaker 1: that's my thing with the Bears, like, what if kayleb

829
00:46:00,120 --> 00:46:03,200
Speaker 1: got hurt, You're gonna play with Tyson Badget. You know,

830
00:46:03,239 --> 00:46:06,200
Speaker 1: you do have to put some thought into the backup

831
00:46:06,239 --> 00:46:12,120
Speaker 1: quarterback because you're one just broken foot, broken finger, you know,

832
00:46:12,320 --> 00:46:17,839
Speaker 1: just broken leg away from the quarterback. Concussion, just a concussion,

833
00:46:18,640 --> 00:46:20,280
Speaker 1: and then all of a sudden like that guy starts

834
00:46:20,400 --> 00:46:25,680
Speaker 1: multiple games, so I hear you. Hopefully they do that.

835
00:46:26,400 --> 00:46:29,600
Speaker 1: You think the internet would break if Justin Fields returned

836
00:46:29,600 --> 00:46:31,480
Speaker 1: to kick in the new kick off rule and took

837
00:46:31,480 --> 00:46:35,120
Speaker 1: it to the crib. That'd be bad ass. Appreciate everyone

838
00:46:35,120 --> 00:46:40,200
Speaker 1: listening the volume