WEBVTT - Heather | Betrayal Weekly

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<v Speaker 1>It's not like he was cheating on me, because I

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<v Speaker 1>don't think you can call it cheating when what you

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<v Speaker 1>do is prey on women, when you are a hunter

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<v Speaker 1>trying to find more victims.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm Andrea Gunning and this is Betrayal, a show about

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<v Speaker 2>the people we trust the most and the deceptions that

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<v Speaker 2>change everything. Heather Rovett is the middle child in a

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<v Speaker 2>tight knit family.

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<v Speaker 1>I have an older brother and a younger sister. We

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<v Speaker 1>were all very close in age.

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<v Speaker 2>She loved growing up in Toronto, Canada. Her childhood was

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<v Speaker 2>filled with all the best.

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<v Speaker 1>Things, joy and fun and love and adventure and kindness.

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<v Speaker 2>Her parents had a great marriage.

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<v Speaker 1>My parents met in high school and were high school sweethearts,

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<v Speaker 1>and he would look at my mom with such adoration.

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<v Speaker 2>They also taught her the value of building a meaningful career.

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<v Speaker 1>My mom was a child psychologist neuroscientist. She's very, very smart,

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<v Speaker 1>and my father was a lawyer who specialized primarily in

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<v Speaker 1>labor law.

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<v Speaker 2>Through high school and university, Heather dated and fell in

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<v Speaker 2>love a few times.

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<v Speaker 1>I've always been able to flirt with guys and there's

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<v Speaker 1>been interest, but it wasn't my main focus to have

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<v Speaker 1>a boyfriend or seek male attention.

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<v Speaker 2>After graduating from university, Heather carved her own path.

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<v Speaker 1>I became a real estate salesperson and then two years

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<v Speaker 1>later I upgraded to broker.

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<v Speaker 2>The career came easily to Heather.

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<v Speaker 1>I can see how you can transform a space or

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<v Speaker 1>how you can make it your home. I just had

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<v Speaker 1>this tenacity and energy.

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<v Speaker 2>Over the next ten years, Heather gained recognition in Toronto's

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<v Speaker 2>real estate scene. By her late thirties, she had built

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<v Speaker 2>a career she loved.

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<v Speaker 1>I loved working and it paid off, and then it

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<v Speaker 1>allowed me to do cool things too, like go on trips.

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<v Speaker 2>She also made a good amount of money. She decided

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<v Speaker 2>to renovate her condo in Toronto and she invested some

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<v Speaker 2>of her funds with a financial advisor.

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<v Speaker 1>I would meet with him quarterly and he would show

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<v Speaker 1>me paperwork of how my money was doing, and I

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<v Speaker 1>thought it was great. And when push came to shove

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<v Speaker 1>and I wanted to sell and get my money back,

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<v Speaker 1>he basically disappeared.

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<v Speaker 2>She'd been scammed.

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<v Speaker 1>He got arrested and there was about five of their people.

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<v Speaker 1>He did this too. The sad thing is, even though

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<v Speaker 1>he was found guilty and ordered to pay the restitution.

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<v Speaker 1>I never saw a penny.

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<v Speaker 2>She lost one hundred and twenty seven thousand dollars. The

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<v Speaker 2>scam was damaging, not only financially, but also to her

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<v Speaker 2>sense of trust in other people. But with time, Heather

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<v Speaker 2>accepted the loss and was able to rebuild. She was

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<v Speaker 2>in her mid forties and single. She managed to pull

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<v Speaker 2>together the funds to finish renovating her condo.

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<v Speaker 1>And I transformed that condo into a beautiful space. And

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<v Speaker 1>then one day I noticed, you know, there were just

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<v Speaker 1>some things that weren't quite right.

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<v Speaker 2>Heather noticed an issue with the cabinets, so she called

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<v Speaker 2>the company who had installed them. They agreed to send

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<v Speaker 2>someone out to take a look.

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<v Speaker 1>He was like, no problem, we have a new service guy.

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<v Speaker 1>He's great. I'm going to give him your contact info

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<v Speaker 1>and he'll be in touch and probably a week later.

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<v Speaker 1>On a Monday morning in July, I woke up to

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<v Speaker 1>a text message, this is Jace, and I was hoping

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<v Speaker 1>I could come by today to fix the outstanding work.

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<v Speaker 1>An hour later, there was a knock at my door

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<v Speaker 1>and I was greeted by this very ruggedly cute guy.

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<v Speaker 1>I was a little befuddled. I found myself a little

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<v Speaker 1>tongue tied and was like, oh wow, sure, come on in.

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<v Speaker 2>Jace got to work fixing the cabinets in her kitchen,

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<v Speaker 2>and afterwards I asked.

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<v Speaker 1>Him if he could help me hang a couple towel

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<v Speaker 1>bars up in the bathrooms, and he happily obliged. We

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<v Speaker 1>were about three quarters of the way through hanging the

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<v Speaker 1>second one and his phone was ringing and he was like,

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<v Speaker 1>oh my gosh, I'm so behind schedule. I gotta go.

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<v Speaker 1>He goes, do you have this? I'm like, I got it,

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<v Speaker 1>don't worry. But she didn't have it, and I kind

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<v Speaker 1>of made more of a mess of it. Was on

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<v Speaker 1>an angle, and I noticed on my kitchen island was

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<v Speaker 1>his measuring tape. So I called him and said, you

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<v Speaker 1>left your measuring tape here, and by the way, I've

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<v Speaker 1>made a mess of this towel bar. And he laughed

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<v Speaker 1>and he said, you know what, I'm literally ten minutes away.

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<v Speaker 1>Why don't I swing back over and we'll fix it.

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<v Speaker 1>And he comes in and within two minutes it's fixed.

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<v Speaker 2>Heather offered to treat Jase to lunch to thank him

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<v Speaker 2>for going out of his way, and he agreed.

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<v Speaker 1>Over lunch, we started talking and I did share with

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<v Speaker 1>him about, you know, the stress of the renovation and

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<v Speaker 1>the guy who stole my money.

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<v Speaker 2>Jase was sympathetic. He was also going through his own

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<v Speaker 2>legal battle.

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<v Speaker 1>I learned a little bit more about him. He had

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<v Speaker 1>a child, and he was going through family court, and

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<v Speaker 1>he had his own software engineering business, but he was

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<v Speaker 1>winding that down because of the divorce. I was like,

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<v Speaker 1>this is so great. This guy just is so easy,

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<v Speaker 1>easy to talk to.

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<v Speaker 2>Jace used to be a software engineer, but after a

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<v Speaker 2>difficult separation, he decided to take a break from office work.

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<v Speaker 2>He wanted a job working with his hands, which is

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<v Speaker 2>how he got into carpentry. At the end of their lunch,

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<v Speaker 2>Jace insisted on paying.

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<v Speaker 1>I walked him back to his truck and he said,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, if you need any more help around the condo.

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<v Speaker 1>I know he didn't get everything done, message me call

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<v Speaker 1>me anytime. I'm like, okay.

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<v Speaker 2>On our walk home, she couldn't stop smiling.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh my gosh, was I just flirting?

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<v Speaker 2>Like that guy was really cute. Later that evening, she

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<v Speaker 2>decided to try and tackle some other projects herself.

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<v Speaker 1>I went to look for what I like to call

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<v Speaker 1>my single girl toolbox, which is a hammer, a leveler,

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<v Speaker 1>and the one screwdriver. And I couldn't find my screwdriver anywhere,

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<v Speaker 1>so she texted Jace. I just said, hey, you didn't

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<v Speaker 1>happen to see a green screwdriver? And he wrote back

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<v Speaker 1>He's like, well, what can I say? I found myself

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<v Speaker 1>later in the day in possession of your screwdriver and

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<v Speaker 1>I didn't know what to do with it, if I

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<v Speaker 1>should be honest or just return it.

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<v Speaker 2>He told her that he was holding her screwdriver hostage.

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<v Speaker 2>She thought it was cute funny even.

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<v Speaker 1>That led to about two weeks of really flirtatious banter

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<v Speaker 1>over text, and I thought it was really fun. Every

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<v Speaker 1>time I got a text from him. It was like

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<v Speaker 1>like an endorphin hic.

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<v Speaker 2>They started texting every day. Jase wasn't shy about his

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<v Speaker 2>attraction to her.

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<v Speaker 1>I remember he sent this one message and he said,

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<v Speaker 1>just please tell me you know how sexy you are, Heather.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm like what, And I jokingly said, well, you should

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<v Speaker 1>see me when I'm really cleaned up.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean you met me.

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<v Speaker 1>I was like just rolled out of bed, lol, and

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<v Speaker 1>he said no, it's not that. He goes like, it's

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<v Speaker 1>your mind like to know how freaking sexy that is

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<v Speaker 1>to me. And I was like, wow, this is so refreshing,

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<v Speaker 1>Like this guy isn't just about how I look. He

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<v Speaker 1>liked my mind, like this is awesome. So there was

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<v Speaker 1>this tension that was definitely building and this flirtation.

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<v Speaker 2>Finally, after two weeks of flirting, Jason asked her out

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<v Speaker 2>on a proper date.

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<v Speaker 1>He showed up on a motorcycle, which I thought was

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<v Speaker 1>really sexy. We walked to a cute little Italian restaurant

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<v Speaker 1>around the corner from my house.

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<v Speaker 2>It was a great date and Heather learned more about him.

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<v Speaker 1>He shared with me how his mom had died when

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<v Speaker 1>he was a teenager, and he talked a bit more

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<v Speaker 1>about the custody battle and I asked him and I'm like,

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<v Speaker 1>that's pretty heavy stuff, like how do you deal with

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<v Speaker 1>that much loss and that much pain? And he said,

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<v Speaker 1>I put it all in boxes.

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<v Speaker 2>He was being really vulnerable with her, and she was

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<v Speaker 2>impressed with how he was able to deal with everything

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<v Speaker 2>he had gone through. She found it really attractive.

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<v Speaker 1>The date ended and we walked back to my place

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<v Speaker 1>and we're both sort of shuffling in the doorway and

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<v Speaker 1>I'm like, in my mind going is he going to

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<v Speaker 1>kiss me? And I was like, fuck it, I'm just

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<v Speaker 1>going to go for it. So I leaned in to

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<v Speaker 1>kiss him. I was like, hey, thanks By, that was

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<v Speaker 1>really fun. And next thing I know, he's pushed me

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<v Speaker 1>up against the wall and we start making out. And

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<v Speaker 1>this kiss was like a kiss I've never experienced before.

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<v Speaker 2>It was passionate and intense. Jace left her in the doorway, stunned.

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<v Speaker 3>I went to.

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<v Speaker 1>Sleep that night with the biggest smile on my face.

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<v Speaker 1>When I woke up the next morning, there was already

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<v Speaker 1>a text message from him saying, good morning, Heather. It's

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<v Speaker 1>a beautiful day and I hope you're spoiling like something

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<v Speaker 1>cheesy but lovely, and I was like wow.

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<v Speaker 2>The next night, Jace came over to her place.

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<v Speaker 1>And he brought a bottle of wine. In my mind,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm thinking, this is like, really, your second date with

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<v Speaker 1>this guy? You don't know him, you know, should you

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<v Speaker 1>do the whole like three date rule or is it

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<v Speaker 1>a three week rule or a three month rule or

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know. And all of a sudden, whatever self

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<v Speaker 1>imposed rules I had were just out the window.

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<v Speaker 2>They couldn't wait to see each other again. It was

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<v Speaker 2>the start of a summer romance.

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<v Speaker 1>A couple weeks later, he took me out and bought

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<v Speaker 1>me a motorcycle helmet, and we that summer went everywhere

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<v Speaker 1>on the motorcycle. It was so fun. We had such

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<v Speaker 1>a good time. I loved every minute of it. I

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<v Speaker 1>don't think I slept a whole night for at least

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<v Speaker 1>three months, because I just was so excited having this

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<v Speaker 1>gorgeous human being lying beside me. I was like, oh

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<v Speaker 1>my god, am I dreaming? This is crazy?

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<v Speaker 2>And soon enough we.

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<v Speaker 1>Were saying I love you. He said it first.

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<v Speaker 2>Heather introduced Jace to her family in September.

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<v Speaker 1>He met my mom and she really liked him. My birthday,

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<v Speaker 1>which is in October, he met my sister and her boyfriend,

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<v Speaker 1>and then a couple weeks later he met my dad.

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<v Speaker 2>It was harder for her to meet Jace's family because

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<v Speaker 2>a lot of them still lived in Italy.

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<v Speaker 1>He was born in Italy, and both his Italian grandfathers

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<v Speaker 1>fought in World War Two for the Allies.

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<v Speaker 2>He came from a fascinating background.

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<v Speaker 1>When my friends started meeting him, they all thought he

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<v Speaker 1>was pretty great, and I was just so happy. Life

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<v Speaker 1>was pretty electric, even like the simple activities going grocery

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<v Speaker 1>shopping became fun because I wasn't doing it alone anymore,

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<v Speaker 1>and I felt that my future was limitless and we

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<v Speaker 1>were just going to live the best life ever.

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<v Speaker 2>Heather Rovett had a meet cute with a man who

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<v Speaker 2>fixed her kitchen cabinets. His name was Jace Peretti. Heather

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<v Speaker 2>and Jace fell hard and fast, and a whirlwind summer

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<v Speaker 2>romance turned into a solid relationship.

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<v Speaker 1>My second birthday with him, he said, check your email

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<v Speaker 1>and I said okay, And I looked at my email

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<v Speaker 1>and there were Airic Canada tickets from Toronto to Rome.

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<v Speaker 3>And I looked at him.

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<v Speaker 1>I was like, we're going to Italy. And he said

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<v Speaker 1>we're going to Italy and I was like, wow, Wow,

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<v Speaker 1>I can't believe we're going to go.

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<v Speaker 2>During this time, Jace was dealing with a lot of stress.

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<v Speaker 2>He went in more time with his young son, but

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<v Speaker 2>he and his ex were constantly in and out of

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<v Speaker 2>family court.

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<v Speaker 1>It was really hard for him. He had been the

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<v Speaker 1>primary parent because he was working from home, so he

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<v Speaker 1>went from spending all this time with his kid to

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<v Speaker 1>now only seeing him two times a week for supervised visits.

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<v Speaker 2>When Heather asked Jace about the custody arrangement.

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<v Speaker 1>He explained because he had both a Canadian and an

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<v Speaker 1>Italian passport. Her lawyer put the idea into her mind

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<v Speaker 1>and the court that Jace had the capability of kidnapping

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<v Speaker 1>their son and taking him to Italy.

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<v Speaker 2>She felt for jas he wasn't that guy. He loved

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<v Speaker 2>his son.

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<v Speaker 1>He would go to the town she was living in

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<v Speaker 1>and he would take him out for dinner, and then

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<v Speaker 1>he would take him home and tuck him in and

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<v Speaker 1>say good night to him, read them stories.

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<v Speaker 2>Heather and Jace had been together for two years. They

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<v Speaker 2>were living together in Toronto, but she had never met

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<v Speaker 2>his son. With this custody arrangement, it put their relationship

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<v Speaker 2>in a holding pattern.

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<v Speaker 1>Honestly, not meeting his son and the family court was

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<v Speaker 1>the albatross around our relationship's neck. It was the only

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<v Speaker 1>thing we would fight about. I just couldn't understand that

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<v Speaker 1>the family court was taking so long. I was like,

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<v Speaker 1>this is so unfair.

0:14:31.880 --> 0:14:35.200
<v Speaker 2>Heather was trying to help Jace regain some agency in

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<v Speaker 2>the situation. She tried to help him in any way

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<v Speaker 2>she could.

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<v Speaker 1>I was like, you need a lawyer. So I had

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<v Speaker 1>arranged a meeting for him with another very well known

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<v Speaker 1>Toronto family lawyer, and she said, the trials just around

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<v Speaker 1>the corner and things will get settled. Let's hold off

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<v Speaker 1>on introducing Heather for now.

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<v Speaker 2>It was frustrating, but Heather didn't want to do anything

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<v Speaker 2>that would compromise Jason's custody of his son. She agreed

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<v Speaker 2>it was best to wait until everything was settled to

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<v Speaker 2>bring his son into their lives. In the meantime, she

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<v Speaker 2>wanted to set up their home so when the time came,

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<v Speaker 2>they would be prepared to welcome him.

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<v Speaker 1>I turned the guest room into a little boy's room,

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<v Speaker 1>and I had toys for him and books for him

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<v Speaker 1>and games for him. And I spent two weeks online

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<v Speaker 1>trying to find like the perfect duvet cover for his

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<v Speaker 1>bedroom because I was so obsessed with making everything amazing

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<v Speaker 1>for him, and I couldn't wait for him to come

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<v Speaker 1>and start having sleepovers at our house.

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<v Speaker 2>But every time she got her hopes.

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<v Speaker 1>Up, something would happen, and it just kept being pushed back.

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<v Speaker 1>And then I remember in early February, he came home

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<v Speaker 1>and he was a little upset, and he said, you're

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<v Speaker 1>never going to believe it. Heather, but the trial has

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<v Speaker 1>been set and it's one. We're in Italy.

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<v Speaker 2>Jays had to be at the trial. There was no

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<v Speaker 2>way around it.

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<v Speaker 1>I said, wow, okay, well, obviously we're not going to Italy,

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<v Speaker 1>like we've been waiting for this now for two and

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<v Speaker 1>a half years. Like, we'll just postpone the trip. I'll

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<v Speaker 1>cancel the hotels and whatnot.

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<v Speaker 2>They canceled their trip to Italy. When the day of

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<v Speaker 2>the trial came, he came home and he said, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>things are good. We have a two week adjournment and

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<v Speaker 2>then we're going back and she has to provide me

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<v Speaker 2>with a full repayment schedule for the house and the

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<v Speaker 2>line of credit that she shut me out of. And

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<v Speaker 2>most importantly, instead of having two supervised visits a week,

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<v Speaker 2>they were going to start phasing into unsupervised and then

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<v Speaker 2>one night's sleepover on the weekend.

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<v Speaker 1>And I was like, this is so great. I was like, yes,

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<v Speaker 1>thank you, finally, finally, finally.

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<v Speaker 2>It was good news, but terrible timing.

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<v Speaker 1>And then in that two week window, COVID happened and

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<v Speaker 1>the whole world got locked down, which meant no family court.

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<v Speaker 2>It was March twenty twenty and Toronto went into lockdown. Soon,

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<v Speaker 2>Heather and Jason began looking at houses to rent outside

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<v Speaker 2>the city.

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<v Speaker 1>I wanted space and solitude. I found this house for

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<v Speaker 1>rent and it was perfect, and it was on five

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<v Speaker 1>acres of property. It had this beautiful family room with

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<v Speaker 1>a vaulted ceiling and a wood burning fireplace.

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<v Speaker 2>They signed the lease together and moved to Aurora, Ontario.

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<v Speaker 2>It was exactly the refuge they hoped it would be.

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<v Speaker 1>That winter, we had fires almost every day. I love

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<v Speaker 1>that house. I remember one day, a couple weeks after

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<v Speaker 1>we moved in, we were standing on the back deck

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<v Speaker 1>and there's wild turkeys and often you'd see deer and bunnies.

0:17:57.560 --> 0:17:59.240
<v Speaker 1>And he said this would be the best place to

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<v Speaker 1>have a backyard, and I was like, yes, it would.

0:18:04.200 --> 0:18:07.240
<v Speaker 2>They started daydreaming about throwing a big celebration at the

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<v Speaker 2>house once COVID restrictions lifted. During the lockdown, Heather and

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<v Speaker 2>Jace had to find new ways to connect with friends

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<v Speaker 2>and family. Heather called her mom often.

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<v Speaker 1>My mom probably back in April, called and she was like, Heath,

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<v Speaker 1>have you seen my bracelet or have you seen this necklace?

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<v Speaker 1>And I'm like no, And I'd get off the phone

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<v Speaker 1>and I'd look at Jace and I'm like, I think

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<v Speaker 1>my mom's starting to like forget things, you know, she

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<v Speaker 1>seems to be misplacing all her stuff. It was just

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<v Speaker 1>like one thing after the other with her, Like my

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<v Speaker 1>grandmother died of dementia.

0:18:46.640 --> 0:18:49.679
<v Speaker 2>Dementia ran in Heather's family, but there wasn't much they

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<v Speaker 2>could do from Afar. Plus, the pandemic had destabilized both

0:18:53.600 --> 0:18:57.120
<v Speaker 2>Heather and Jays financially. He had just started a new

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<v Speaker 2>remote job back in software development.

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<v Speaker 1>He'd gotten this job for Oracle, but even when we

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<v Speaker 1>moved to Aurora and we had to pay the first

0:19:06.119 --> 0:19:09.760
<v Speaker 1>and last month's rent and a security deposit, I ended

0:19:09.800 --> 0:19:11.840
<v Speaker 1>up paying for all of it because he didn't have

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<v Speaker 1>anything saved. How can this be like you're getting Oracle

0:19:15.800 --> 0:19:19.800
<v Speaker 1>paychecks when push came to shove, he just never seemed

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<v Speaker 1>to have money.

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<v Speaker 2>Between his custody battle and COVID, Jace had depleted his savings,

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<v Speaker 2>but what was in his bank account didn't matter to Heather.

0:19:29.720 --> 0:19:32.359
<v Speaker 2>She could support the both of them. The bigger issue

0:19:32.359 --> 0:19:34.960
<v Speaker 2>for her was that she still hadn't met Jase's son.

0:19:36.000 --> 0:19:37.679
<v Speaker 1>I had set up the room for his son in

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<v Speaker 1>the house, and he still kept going two times a

0:19:40.800 --> 0:19:45.840
<v Speaker 1>week on his supervised visits to see his son. I'm

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<v Speaker 1>starting to really resent the situation.

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<v Speaker 2>At the end of twenty twenty, Heather bought a furniture

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<v Speaker 2>and a core business and moved the inventory into their.

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<v Speaker 1>Home, and when we moved to Aurora, Jay started getting

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<v Speaker 1>really into building furniture. I was like, well, that's a

0:20:01.560 --> 0:20:04.320
<v Speaker 1>no brainer. I can sell all that inventory and make

0:20:04.359 --> 0:20:08.800
<v Speaker 1>my investment back tenfold, and we can sell all this furniture.

0:20:10.000 --> 0:20:12.720
<v Speaker 2>Jace was working more and more at Oracle. He was

0:20:12.720 --> 0:20:15.639
<v Speaker 2>coming home late, and when he was home he was

0:20:15.680 --> 0:20:19.360
<v Speaker 2>exhausted from working long hours. He never seemed to have

0:20:19.520 --> 0:20:24.439
<v Speaker 2>energy for Heather or for their new furniture business. The

0:20:24.480 --> 0:20:27.080
<v Speaker 2>couple started getting in fights more often.

0:20:28.080 --> 0:20:33.480
<v Speaker 1>By June of twenty twenty one, I was getting frustrated

0:20:33.520 --> 0:20:36.639
<v Speaker 1>with my life with him because I felt like the

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<v Speaker 1>world's opening up and here we are, and he seems

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<v Speaker 1>to always be working and he never wants to do anything,

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<v Speaker 1>and I just felt very isolated. She wasn't happy, so

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<v Speaker 1>I was like, fuck it, and I said something like,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, if you're not into this relationship, just tell me.

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<v Speaker 1>And then that turned into a pretty escalated, heated argument,

0:21:04.119 --> 0:21:10.800
<v Speaker 1>and he left, and I felt really bad and said,

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<v Speaker 1>do you know, I think I'm going to go down

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<v Speaker 1>to the city for a couple of days just to

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<v Speaker 1>give us a bit of space.

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<v Speaker 2>Heather wanted to actually talk with him. Something was going on,

0:21:21.040 --> 0:21:24.920
<v Speaker 2>but he wasn't giving her anything. After a few days apart,

0:21:25.160 --> 0:21:26.960
<v Speaker 2>Heather headed back to their house.

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<v Speaker 1>And I call him and he said, oh, hey, I'm

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<v Speaker 1>just about to go tea off. I'm like, what, you're

0:21:33.480 --> 0:21:36.159
<v Speaker 1>in golfing and he goes, I'm not quite ready to

0:21:36.200 --> 0:21:37.320
<v Speaker 1>forgive you yet.

0:21:39.920 --> 0:21:44.920
<v Speaker 2>Forgive her for what she hadn't done anything, but Jays

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<v Speaker 2>hung up the phone.

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<v Speaker 1>He finally gets home from golfing and he goes by

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<v Speaker 1>the way, I washed the sheets, the DVA cover still

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<v Speaker 1>in the dryer. I was just crying, like, I don't

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<v Speaker 1>understand what's going on. The more I cried, the more

0:21:58.200 --> 0:22:01.720
<v Speaker 1>he was actually getting kind of angry stranded. I started going,

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<v Speaker 1>this just doesn't seem normal. But I just kept saying,

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<v Speaker 1>you know what, we'll get through it. We love each

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<v Speaker 1>other and we'll get through this. But August twenty twenty

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<v Speaker 1>one was such a brutal month because he just stopped

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<v Speaker 1>coming home. He was claiming he was sleeping in the

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<v Speaker 1>car or sleeping at the office, and he would randomly

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<v Speaker 1>stop by the house to like pick something up.

0:22:28.880 --> 0:22:31.880
<v Speaker 2>Heather had uprooted her life to be with Jase. She'd

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<v Speaker 2>supported him financially for years. She decorated a bedroom for

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<v Speaker 2>his son to stay in, but all of a sudden,

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<v Speaker 2>a switch had flipped. Jayce had discarded her. Heather didn't

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<v Speaker 2>know what to do.

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<v Speaker 1>I've gone through the whole month of August alone, living

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<v Speaker 1>in this big house by myself, and just hurting so badly.

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<v Speaker 1>Every effort I made to mend us, he just spat

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<v Speaker 1>veno and back and it was a really scary time.

0:23:05.880 --> 0:23:08.880
<v Speaker 2>Then one afternoon, Heather was doing work on her laptop.

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<v Speaker 2>When signing into one of her accounts, a screen popped

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<v Speaker 2>up with all of her saved passwords, including the login

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<v Speaker 2>for Jace's email. Heather wondered if his email account might

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<v Speaker 2>hold some of the answers she couldn't get from jas himself,

0:23:23.680 --> 0:23:25.160
<v Speaker 2>so she typed in his password.

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<v Speaker 1>All of a sudden, I'm in his email.

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<v Speaker 2>She started scrolling through his inbox, expecting to find work

0:23:33.119 --> 0:23:37.080
<v Speaker 2>emails and messages from friends, but instead.

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<v Speaker 1>It's bumble match, bad news like He's on every dating app.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm like, what The emails revealed dozens of relationships Jace

0:23:47.119 --> 0:23:50.479
<v Speaker 2>was having with other women. Heather couldn't believe what she

0:23:50.560 --> 0:23:52.760
<v Speaker 2>was seeing. She kept scrolling.

0:23:53.840 --> 0:23:58.840
<v Speaker 1>That began me going down hours of rabbit holes and

0:23:58.960 --> 0:24:04.639
<v Speaker 1>emails and greenshots. Then I got further and I started

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<v Speaker 1>seeing Kijigi ads.

0:24:08.040 --> 0:24:11.560
<v Speaker 2>Kijigi is like the Canadian version of Craigslist. People post

0:24:11.600 --> 0:24:16.359
<v Speaker 2>items for sale. Heather's all emails confirming sales Jace made

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<v Speaker 2>through the site.

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<v Speaker 1>It was a Kidjigi ad for Tiffany bracelet, Tiffany ring

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<v Speaker 1>and click on it. I'm like, oh my god, what

0:24:28.560 --> 0:24:31.560
<v Speaker 1>the fuck that's my mom's stuff.

0:24:55.240 --> 0:24:59.440
<v Speaker 2>For months, Jace was growing more and more distant. Everything

0:24:59.480 --> 0:25:03.159
<v Speaker 2>Heather did to try and reconnect only pushed him further away.

0:25:04.200 --> 0:25:08.359
<v Speaker 2>One day, Heather accidentally logged into Jesse's email and discovered

0:25:08.840 --> 0:25:14.680
<v Speaker 2>he was using multiple dating apps. Heather was horrified the

0:25:14.680 --> 0:25:16.919
<v Speaker 2>man who she'd built a life with for the last

0:25:16.960 --> 0:25:22.280
<v Speaker 2>three years had dozens of other relationships. As she scrolled

0:25:22.320 --> 0:25:25.359
<v Speaker 2>through his inbox, she saw something else that made her

0:25:25.400 --> 0:25:30.959
<v Speaker 2>stomach drop. Jas was selling jewelry online, and Heather recognized

0:25:31.000 --> 0:25:31.560
<v Speaker 2>the pieces.

0:25:32.800 --> 0:25:38.160
<v Speaker 1>The first one I opened was for this tiffany necklace.

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<v Speaker 1>It was a white gold circle with diamonds and a

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<v Speaker 1>simple chain. I'm like, I'm pretty sure that's my mom's necklace,

0:25:47.760 --> 0:25:49.640
<v Speaker 1>you know. I got pictures of her wearing it.

0:25:50.480 --> 0:25:53.760
<v Speaker 2>Looking through the rest of Jase's jewelry sales only confirmed

0:25:53.840 --> 0:25:57.320
<v Speaker 2>what she feared. He had been stealing her mom's jewelry

0:25:57.359 --> 0:26:01.080
<v Speaker 2>for years and selling it online.

0:26:01.520 --> 0:26:05.200
<v Speaker 3>I was just horrified that he could do that.

0:26:06.080 --> 0:26:08.919
<v Speaker 2>And horrified by how long he had been doing it for.

0:26:10.119 --> 0:26:13.080
<v Speaker 3>It wasn't like he just did it all at one

0:26:13.119 --> 0:26:13.879
<v Speaker 3>foul swoop.

0:26:13.920 --> 0:26:15.639
<v Speaker 1>It wasn't like a break and enter where you're just

0:26:15.640 --> 0:26:18.160
<v Speaker 1>like throwing everything in a bag and getting out of there.

0:26:19.400 --> 0:26:22.280
<v Speaker 2>The dates of the jewelry sales told an eerie story.

0:26:22.880 --> 0:26:25.960
<v Speaker 2>Jace had been stealing it piece by piece. He would

0:26:26.000 --> 0:26:28.320
<v Speaker 2>steal a necklace when they went over to her parents'

0:26:28.320 --> 0:26:30.880
<v Speaker 2>house for dinner, and then the next time it would

0:26:30.920 --> 0:26:34.720
<v Speaker 2>be ear rings. Because he did this so slowly and insidiously,

0:26:35.359 --> 0:26:38.400
<v Speaker 2>it took Heather's mom months to even notice, and.

0:26:38.359 --> 0:26:41.359
<v Speaker 1>It wouldn't be until she eventually like opened the entire

0:26:41.400 --> 0:26:45.200
<v Speaker 1>safe box that she saw it was all empty. All

0:26:45.240 --> 0:26:46.800
<v Speaker 1>the bags and boxes were there.

0:26:49.280 --> 0:26:53.320
<v Speaker 2>Heather sat in front of her laptop, seething. She wanted

0:26:53.359 --> 0:26:54.119
<v Speaker 2>an explanation.

0:26:55.480 --> 0:26:56.919
<v Speaker 3>I called him. He didn't answer.

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<v Speaker 2>She knew he would twist this, try to explain his

0:27:00.640 --> 0:27:03.600
<v Speaker 2>way out of it. She would need proof of everything

0:27:03.680 --> 0:27:05.920
<v Speaker 2>she was seeing, so she got to work.

0:27:06.680 --> 0:27:09.760
<v Speaker 1>I just took screenshot after screenshot, and I just sat

0:27:09.800 --> 0:27:11.399
<v Speaker 1>there for hours.

0:27:12.640 --> 0:27:15.639
<v Speaker 2>As she took screenshots of everything, the full extent of

0:27:15.680 --> 0:27:21.640
<v Speaker 2>his deception became clear. Jace had another life since the beginning.

0:27:23.320 --> 0:27:26.400
<v Speaker 1>And when I went back and went through the email,

0:27:27.280 --> 0:27:30.880
<v Speaker 1>I'm seeing email after email of like you're a match,

0:27:30.920 --> 0:27:33.720
<v Speaker 1>You're a match, going back our entire relationship.

0:27:35.040 --> 0:27:38.520
<v Speaker 2>Then she came across an email that changed everything. It

0:27:38.600 --> 0:27:42.439
<v Speaker 2>was about his family court proceedings. Heather clicked on the attachment.

0:27:42.920 --> 0:27:44.800
<v Speaker 2>Her eyes locked on a line at the top of

0:27:44.840 --> 0:27:50.040
<v Speaker 2>the page name of respondent Jason Porter. It was a

0:27:50.080 --> 0:27:55.680
<v Speaker 2>completely different name. The document made no mention of Jace PERETTI.

0:27:55.560 --> 0:27:58.120
<v Speaker 1>My stomach went up in my throat, and my throat

0:27:58.119 --> 0:28:00.880
<v Speaker 1>went in my stomach, and I felt cold and hot

0:28:00.920 --> 0:28:01.879
<v Speaker 1>at the same time.

0:28:02.600 --> 0:28:04.439
<v Speaker 2>So she googled Jason Porter.

0:28:06.280 --> 0:28:09.800
<v Speaker 1>I was just shocked. At the very end of twenty eleven,

0:28:09.840 --> 0:28:11.080
<v Speaker 1>there was a warrant out for his.

0:28:11.080 --> 0:28:13.560
<v Speaker 3>Arrest, and all the news.

0:28:13.280 --> 0:28:16.760
<v Speaker 1>Outlets were picking it up here in Ontario and they

0:28:16.840 --> 0:28:21.240
<v Speaker 1>dubbed him the online Romeo because he had been meeting

0:28:21.280 --> 0:28:23.960
<v Speaker 1>women and stealing from them.

0:28:27.080 --> 0:28:28.840
<v Speaker 3>This cannot be my Jase.

0:28:29.760 --> 0:28:32.960
<v Speaker 1>This is not my life, This is not the man

0:28:33.040 --> 0:28:33.400
<v Speaker 1>I love.

0:28:33.600 --> 0:28:36.119
<v Speaker 3>It's like, how is How did I not see this?

0:28:37.280 --> 0:28:40.520
<v Speaker 2>Back in twenty twelve, Jace pled guilty to multiple fraud

0:28:40.600 --> 0:28:43.920
<v Speaker 2>charges and was sentenced to thirty months in federal prison.

0:28:44.760 --> 0:28:48.840
<v Speaker 2>He was released in twenty fourteen. After getting out of prison,

0:28:49.040 --> 0:28:53.040
<v Speaker 2>he changed his legal name from Jason Porter to Jace Parotti.

0:28:53.680 --> 0:28:55.720
<v Speaker 2>By the time he met Heather a few years later,

0:28:56.280 --> 0:28:59.960
<v Speaker 2>he was going by a variation of that name, Jace Perett.

0:29:01.000 --> 0:29:04.720
<v Speaker 2>Heather was sick. This was so much darker than she imagined.

0:29:05.280 --> 0:29:07.400
<v Speaker 2>Jayce wasn't just lying to cover up the fact that

0:29:07.440 --> 0:29:11.040
<v Speaker 2>he was cheating. He was lying about who he was.

0:29:12.680 --> 0:29:14.880
<v Speaker 1>It's not like he was cheating on me, because I

0:29:14.880 --> 0:29:17.760
<v Speaker 1>don't think you can call it cheating when what you

0:29:17.920 --> 0:29:22.400
<v Speaker 1>do is prey on women, when you are a hunter

0:29:22.920 --> 0:29:27.560
<v Speaker 1>on these dating apps trying to find more victims.

0:29:28.760 --> 0:29:32.800
<v Speaker 2>It was getting dark out then the phone rang I was.

0:29:32.800 --> 0:29:34.440
<v Speaker 3>Like, holy shit, it's him.

0:29:34.600 --> 0:29:36.640
<v Speaker 1>It was probably going on like eight thirty nine o'clock

0:29:36.680 --> 0:29:38.480
<v Speaker 1>at this point on a Friday night of a lot.

0:29:38.480 --> 0:29:41.840
<v Speaker 1>It was Labor Day weekend here in Canada. She picked up,

0:29:43.440 --> 0:29:45.880
<v Speaker 1>and I'm trying to be calm, cool and like, I

0:29:46.000 --> 0:29:50.640
<v Speaker 1>do not want to let him know that I'm onto him.

0:29:51.920 --> 0:29:54.520
<v Speaker 1>And I just remember this so well. I could hear

0:29:54.600 --> 0:29:56.000
<v Speaker 1>crickets in the background.

0:29:56.680 --> 0:29:58.320
<v Speaker 2>Jase told her that he was in the city for

0:29:58.360 --> 0:29:58.720
<v Speaker 2>the night.

0:30:00.400 --> 0:30:02.320
<v Speaker 3>He's like, Oh, I just got back to the offices.

0:30:02.360 --> 0:30:03.200
<v Speaker 3>We just finished up.

0:30:03.760 --> 0:30:06.760
<v Speaker 1>I'm like, oh, wow, that's really late. That's so weird though,

0:30:06.760 --> 0:30:08.520
<v Speaker 1>because you know, I grew up in Toronto. I've never

0:30:08.600 --> 0:30:11.520
<v Speaker 1>heard crickets, never heard crickets.

0:30:11.960 --> 0:30:15.120
<v Speaker 2>Heather tried to hide her suspicion, but it was hard.

0:30:16.120 --> 0:30:18.840
<v Speaker 1>And I said, I feel like I don't even know

0:30:18.880 --> 0:30:21.479
<v Speaker 1>who you are anymore, Jace, And it was like, what

0:30:21.520 --> 0:30:24.440
<v Speaker 1>do you mean. I was like, I've gone from spending

0:30:24.640 --> 0:30:27.000
<v Speaker 1>every weekend with you to now, like the past month,

0:30:27.360 --> 0:30:29.520
<v Speaker 1>it's nine o'clock on a Friday night and I have

0:30:29.600 --> 0:30:31.760
<v Speaker 1>no idea what you're doing this weekend, Like we're supposed

0:30:31.800 --> 0:30:33.880
<v Speaker 1>to be working on our relationship, and I just feel

0:30:33.880 --> 0:30:35.080
<v Speaker 1>like I don't even know who you are.

0:30:35.120 --> 0:30:35.520
<v Speaker 3>Anymore.

0:30:36.440 --> 0:30:39.600
<v Speaker 2>He recommended that they talk over dinner on Sunday, and

0:30:39.640 --> 0:30:40.800
<v Speaker 2>Heather agreed.

0:30:40.920 --> 0:30:44.960
<v Speaker 1>And within minutes of getting off the phone, I refreshed

0:30:45.320 --> 0:30:48.040
<v Speaker 1>and I was logged out of all the different accounts

0:30:48.040 --> 0:30:52.160
<v Speaker 1>that I had been in, and I was like, uh oh.

0:30:51.640 --> 0:30:54.800
<v Speaker 2>Jas must have heard the suspicion in Heather's voice. He

0:30:54.880 --> 0:30:58.280
<v Speaker 2>knew he'd been caught. Heather called her friend Kristen, who

0:30:58.360 --> 0:31:00.920
<v Speaker 2>rushed out to Aurora to help her figure out what

0:31:01.000 --> 0:31:01.360
<v Speaker 2>to do.

0:31:02.480 --> 0:31:04.880
<v Speaker 1>She's now sitting on the couch reading through all the

0:31:04.920 --> 0:31:08.600
<v Speaker 1>screenshots and she's like, this is his job. I think

0:31:08.600 --> 0:31:10.240
<v Speaker 1>he's getting women to send him money.

0:31:11.280 --> 0:31:14.240
<v Speaker 2>Heather's friend was right. He had never been a software

0:31:14.280 --> 0:31:17.440
<v Speaker 2>engineer for Oracle. His full time job was being a

0:31:17.480 --> 0:31:21.760
<v Speaker 2>con artist, a romance scammer. In the course of just

0:31:21.800 --> 0:31:25.280
<v Speaker 2>a few hours, Heather's understanding of the man she loved

0:31:25.560 --> 0:31:29.520
<v Speaker 2>had been completely rearranged. She saw that everything about him

0:31:29.600 --> 0:31:33.480
<v Speaker 2>was a carefully constructed character. The Jase she cared so

0:31:33.560 --> 0:31:38.080
<v Speaker 2>deeply for did not exist anymore, and now she was

0:31:38.120 --> 0:31:44.520
<v Speaker 2>faced with Jason Porter, a stranger. The next day, Heather's

0:31:44.600 --> 0:31:47.320
<v Speaker 2>sister and brother in law encouraged her to call the police.

0:31:47.920 --> 0:31:50.280
<v Speaker 1>They sent two police officers to the house, and I

0:31:50.320 --> 0:31:54.080
<v Speaker 1>started telling the cops what I've discovered, and the cops

0:31:54.120 --> 0:31:57.040
<v Speaker 1>asked me if he had hurt me, and I said

0:31:57.240 --> 0:32:02.120
<v Speaker 1>physically and they said yes, and I was like, well no,

0:32:02.440 --> 0:32:05.640
<v Speaker 1>but I am scared, and I said to the cops,

0:32:06.080 --> 0:32:08.640
<v Speaker 1>can I get a restraining order? And they basically laughed

0:32:08.640 --> 0:32:10.360
<v Speaker 1>at me. They're like, no, we can't give you one.

0:32:10.400 --> 0:32:15.160
<v Speaker 1>And I was like, oh, okay, well that's okay. I

0:32:15.160 --> 0:32:16.960
<v Speaker 1>want to call a locksmith and change all the locks.

0:32:16.960 --> 0:32:19.800
<v Speaker 1>And I said I wouldn't advise you to do that, ma'am.

0:32:20.400 --> 0:32:23.120
<v Speaker 1>He is your co tenant and he has rights according

0:32:23.120 --> 0:32:25.160
<v Speaker 1>to the lease. And that's when I looked at them.

0:32:25.200 --> 0:32:26.960
<v Speaker 1>I was like, how can our release even be real?

0:32:27.160 --> 0:32:29.520
<v Speaker 1>Like the name on the lease is Jase Peretti. He's

0:32:29.560 --> 0:32:33.120
<v Speaker 1>not Jase Peretti. They just dismissed me, and then you know,

0:32:33.160 --> 0:32:36.239
<v Speaker 1>their parting words were basically, but if he does come

0:32:36.320 --> 0:32:39.600
<v Speaker 1>back to the house and you feel scared, call nine

0:32:39.640 --> 0:32:41.400
<v Speaker 1>one one and we'll come back.

0:32:42.600 --> 0:32:46.440
<v Speaker 2>The police couldn't really do anything. I left Heather in shock,

0:32:46.960 --> 0:32:49.720
<v Speaker 2>I mean just belief, like just nauseatingly sick.

0:32:51.360 --> 0:32:53.480
<v Speaker 1>The reality, I guess is slowly sinking in that my

0:32:53.560 --> 0:32:55.080
<v Speaker 1>life is all a fucking live.

0:32:57.360 --> 0:33:01.160
<v Speaker 2>But Heather's parents had a plan been borrowing her dad's

0:33:01.160 --> 0:33:02.880
<v Speaker 2>car that full summer.

0:33:02.960 --> 0:33:06.400
<v Speaker 1>Jace had been driving around in my dad's Mercedes SUV

0:33:06.600 --> 0:33:09.800
<v Speaker 1>because my dad had stopped driving. There had been no

0:33:10.440 --> 0:33:14.720
<v Speaker 1>payment and he was just freely driving around.

0:33:15.840 --> 0:33:19.280
<v Speaker 2>Maybe they could have him arrested for car theft. Heather's

0:33:19.360 --> 0:33:21.600
<v Speaker 2>dad went to the police to explain the situation.

0:33:22.560 --> 0:33:26.200
<v Speaker 3>The advice that the officer had given him was send

0:33:26.280 --> 0:33:30.440
<v Speaker 3>him a text message and just say that you want

0:33:30.480 --> 0:33:32.640
<v Speaker 3>your car backed by such and such a date and time,

0:33:32.680 --> 0:33:34.720
<v Speaker 3>and if you don't get it back, you're going to

0:33:34.760 --> 0:33:36.240
<v Speaker 3>call the police and report it stolen.

0:33:37.200 --> 0:33:40.480
<v Speaker 2>That's what they did. Heather's dad texted Jace.

0:33:40.760 --> 0:33:45.719
<v Speaker 1>As soon as my dad sent that, my phone's ringing

0:33:46.040 --> 0:33:50.719
<v Speaker 1>and it's him. And then I'm getting text messages saying

0:33:50.960 --> 0:33:53.160
<v Speaker 1>what the hell's going on. I'll be home in twenty minutes.

0:33:54.480 --> 0:33:57.200
<v Speaker 2>Jace was on his way to the house at that point.

0:33:57.240 --> 0:33:58.800
<v Speaker 3>He must have known the jig was up.

0:33:59.360 --> 0:34:02.240
<v Speaker 2>Heather began to panic. She was grateful that she wasn't

0:34:02.240 --> 0:34:04.400
<v Speaker 2>alone and that her friend Kristen was there.

0:34:05.520 --> 0:34:10.520
<v Speaker 1>Kristen is the one who called nine one one we're terrified.

0:34:11.320 --> 0:34:12.920
<v Speaker 1>It was a pretty big house and there was a

0:34:13.000 --> 0:34:16.320
<v Speaker 1>lot of doors, and I'm running around just like double

0:34:16.400 --> 0:34:17.720
<v Speaker 1>checking everything is locked.

0:34:17.880 --> 0:34:19.120
<v Speaker 3>We're turning off all the lights.

0:34:19.560 --> 0:34:22.360
<v Speaker 2>They debated whether it was safer to leave or stay

0:34:22.400 --> 0:34:23.240
<v Speaker 2>locked in the house.

0:34:23.920 --> 0:34:25.960
<v Speaker 1>Christen's like, I think we should leave. I think we

0:34:25.960 --> 0:34:28.000
<v Speaker 1>should leave. I'm like, but we're like, where are we

0:34:28.000 --> 0:34:28.400
<v Speaker 1>going to go?

0:34:28.800 --> 0:34:29.440
<v Speaker 3>I'm like, we're.

0:34:29.320 --> 0:34:31.920
<v Speaker 1>Safe because, you know, like he can't get in the.

0:34:31.920 --> 0:34:36.480
<v Speaker 2>Night before, despite the police's advice, Heather had changed the locks,

0:34:36.960 --> 0:34:38.920
<v Speaker 2>so she felt safe enough to stay.

0:34:38.920 --> 0:34:40.840
<v Speaker 1>And the nine to one one ladies like, don't leave.

0:34:41.040 --> 0:34:44.560
<v Speaker 1>The police are on their way. The next thing you know,

0:34:45.080 --> 0:34:46.799
<v Speaker 1>we hear him coming down the driveway and he's in

0:34:46.880 --> 0:34:47.440
<v Speaker 1>my dad's car.

0:34:48.719 --> 0:34:50.399
<v Speaker 3>Kristen's on the phone with nine to one one.

0:34:50.800 --> 0:34:53.600
<v Speaker 1>She's saying, like he's hearing scair but he's at the back,

0:34:53.640 --> 0:34:55.839
<v Speaker 1>and she's like, just stay calm, just stay calm.

0:34:55.880 --> 0:34:57.440
<v Speaker 3>The police have been dispatched, they're on the way.

0:34:57.480 --> 0:34:58.120
<v Speaker 1>She's like, where the.

0:34:58.040 --> 0:34:58.640
<v Speaker 4>Fuck are they?

0:34:59.560 --> 0:35:00.760
<v Speaker 3>I can hear my heart something.

0:35:01.600 --> 0:35:04.040
<v Speaker 1>It came down the driveway and beside the garage is

0:35:04.080 --> 0:35:06.680
<v Speaker 1>a side door, and then you're in the mudroom, so

0:35:06.680 --> 0:35:08.439
<v Speaker 1>I hear him like, put his key in there.

0:35:08.680 --> 0:35:10.680
<v Speaker 3>Then I hear him come to the front door, same thing.

0:35:10.719 --> 0:35:12.800
<v Speaker 3>Put his key in didn't work.

0:35:13.440 --> 0:35:14.760
<v Speaker 2>She was relieved.

0:35:15.320 --> 0:35:17.759
<v Speaker 1>And then the next thing, I note he's come in

0:35:17.800 --> 0:35:19.000
<v Speaker 1>through the dining room window.

0:35:20.160 --> 0:35:23.480
<v Speaker 2>He had broken into the house. Heather felt a surge

0:35:23.480 --> 0:35:26.480
<v Speaker 2>of adrenaline and she made a snap decision.

0:35:26.880 --> 0:35:32.440
<v Speaker 1>And I like bolt out of the bedroom screaming. I said,

0:35:32.800 --> 0:35:35.839
<v Speaker 1>I know who you are. I know you're Jason Porter.

0:35:36.400 --> 0:35:39.120
<v Speaker 1>I know you've been online dating, I know you've been

0:35:39.160 --> 0:35:39.720
<v Speaker 1>in prison.

0:35:40.680 --> 0:35:41.880
<v Speaker 3>I know everything.

0:35:43.520 --> 0:35:45.239
<v Speaker 2>But Jace was unfazed.

0:35:45.880 --> 0:35:48.360
<v Speaker 1>He's in the kitchen going to the coffee machine to

0:35:48.360 --> 0:35:49.960
<v Speaker 1>make himself an espresso.

0:35:50.520 --> 0:35:53.439
<v Speaker 3>And he literally looks at me and shrugs and he's like.

0:35:53.719 --> 0:35:58.600
<v Speaker 2>So minutes later the cops arrived.

0:35:58.200 --> 0:36:02.960
<v Speaker 1>I'm like freaking out. He's so calm and cool and collected.

0:36:03.680 --> 0:36:06.200
<v Speaker 2>One of the cops took Jason's side to talk with

0:36:06.280 --> 0:36:07.360
<v Speaker 2>him one on one.

0:36:07.520 --> 0:36:10.200
<v Speaker 1>And I was like, what's going on, Like why aren't

0:36:10.239 --> 0:36:14.600
<v Speaker 1>you arresting him? And they're like, he's claiming you assaulted him. Heather,

0:36:17.600 --> 0:36:20.799
<v Speaker 1>I couldn't even believe what I was hearing. I guess

0:36:20.880 --> 0:36:24.600
<v Speaker 1>that night we had the fight five weeks prior now,

0:36:24.640 --> 0:36:28.680
<v Speaker 1>he's claiming I assaulted him, and apparently there's some sort

0:36:28.719 --> 0:36:29.360
<v Speaker 1>of proof.

0:36:30.360 --> 0:36:32.480
<v Speaker 2>Heather told them that never happened.

0:36:33.200 --> 0:36:37.080
<v Speaker 1>I said, you know, this guy is a master photoshopper

0:36:37.280 --> 0:36:40.239
<v Speaker 1>and he can edit videos like whatever the evidence is,

0:36:40.320 --> 0:36:45.920
<v Speaker 1>it's not real. And they said, Jace is not going

0:36:45.960 --> 0:36:47.320
<v Speaker 1>to press charges tonight.

0:36:47.520 --> 0:36:49.440
<v Speaker 3>However, he is.

0:36:49.719 --> 0:36:52.799
<v Speaker 1>Reinstating himself in the house and you have to give

0:36:52.880 --> 0:36:53.800
<v Speaker 1>him one of the new keys.

0:36:54.960 --> 0:36:59.040
<v Speaker 2>Heather was incredulous. She couldn't believe the police's response.

0:37:00.280 --> 0:37:03.719
<v Speaker 1>They said to me, if you don't feel safe, you

0:37:03.840 --> 0:37:08.440
<v Speaker 1>should leave. The police left and they left us in

0:37:08.560 --> 0:37:09.799
<v Speaker 1>the house together.

0:37:10.840 --> 0:37:14.200
<v Speaker 2>As soon as the police left, Jace jumped into action.

0:37:14.920 --> 0:37:19.680
<v Speaker 1>Jace goes into the office, which also had two French doors,

0:37:19.719 --> 0:37:23.000
<v Speaker 1>and he took an iPhone cord and wrapped it around

0:37:23.080 --> 0:37:24.960
<v Speaker 1>so I couldn't come in. And he sat there and

0:37:25.000 --> 0:37:28.239
<v Speaker 1>he erased the computer and then he comes out and

0:37:28.280 --> 0:37:30.720
<v Speaker 1>he was like, I'll be back tomorrow early.

0:37:31.920 --> 0:37:34.560
<v Speaker 2>Heather wanted to be gone by the time he came back.

0:37:35.120 --> 0:37:36.759
<v Speaker 1>I loaded up the car with as much as I could,

0:37:36.840 --> 0:37:41.640
<v Speaker 1>and Kristin brilliantly walked through the entire house and the

0:37:41.800 --> 0:37:46.280
<v Speaker 1>entire downstairs where the showroom was and made recordings saying

0:37:46.320 --> 0:37:48.640
<v Speaker 1>this is Heather's, this is Heather's, this is Heather, this

0:37:48.680 --> 0:37:50.480
<v Speaker 1>is the business that's Jase's.

0:37:51.120 --> 0:37:54.040
<v Speaker 2>About a week later, Heather returned to the house for

0:37:54.080 --> 0:37:54.840
<v Speaker 2>the first time.

0:37:55.520 --> 0:37:58.920
<v Speaker 3>There were already things missing. He had taken my Dyson,

0:37:59.440 --> 0:38:02.400
<v Speaker 3>he took the Google speakers, he took my go program

0:38:02.480 --> 0:38:03.440
<v Speaker 3>like he took all the stuff.

0:38:04.239 --> 0:38:08.120
<v Speaker 2>During this time, Heather found out Jace had a new girlfriend.

0:38:08.719 --> 0:38:11.399
<v Speaker 1>He was taking things that were mine and giving them

0:38:11.440 --> 0:38:14.880
<v Speaker 1>to her. So the whole month I thought he was

0:38:15.120 --> 0:38:17.120
<v Speaker 1>living at the office or sleeping in his car, yet

0:38:17.160 --> 0:38:18.760
<v Speaker 1>in fact moved in with this other woman.

0:38:20.200 --> 0:38:22.600
<v Speaker 2>She later learned that when she'd gone to the city

0:38:22.680 --> 0:38:25.760
<v Speaker 2>for a few days and Jace mentioned washing the sheets,

0:38:26.320 --> 0:38:28.840
<v Speaker 2>it was because his new girlfriend had been at the

0:38:28.880 --> 0:38:34.400
<v Speaker 2>house and had slept in her bed. Heather's parents decided

0:38:34.440 --> 0:38:37.880
<v Speaker 2>to press charges for the stolen jewel rate. Jace agreed

0:38:37.880 --> 0:38:41.160
<v Speaker 2>to turn himself in, but before he did, he showed

0:38:41.200 --> 0:38:43.640
<v Speaker 2>up at the Aurora house and asked Heather to let

0:38:43.719 --> 0:38:45.840
<v Speaker 2>him in to talk one last time.

0:38:46.440 --> 0:38:49.320
<v Speaker 1>I sat down at the kitchen table and he's leaning

0:38:49.400 --> 0:38:53.120
<v Speaker 1>at the island, and he still said, you know, you're

0:38:53.160 --> 0:38:54.759
<v Speaker 1>the best thing that ever happened to me other I

0:38:54.800 --> 0:38:57.520
<v Speaker 1>loved you. He tried to convince me he never cheated

0:38:57.560 --> 0:39:00.400
<v Speaker 1>on me, and this is all just a big misunderstanding.

0:39:00.920 --> 0:39:03.080
<v Speaker 1>This is just going to devastate my son.

0:39:03.600 --> 0:39:07.760
<v Speaker 2>The son she'd never met. In that moment, Heather felt

0:39:07.800 --> 0:39:08.520
<v Speaker 2>split in two.

0:39:09.520 --> 0:39:12.280
<v Speaker 1>And there's a part of me that's looking at him, going,

0:39:13.200 --> 0:39:16.520
<v Speaker 1>I love this person. My heart still looks at him

0:39:16.520 --> 0:39:19.880
<v Speaker 1>and feels love. And then there's the other side of

0:39:19.880 --> 0:39:24.040
<v Speaker 1>me that's like disbelief. And he's stole all your mom's

0:39:24.120 --> 0:39:25.480
<v Speaker 1>jewelry and he's a predator.

0:39:26.239 --> 0:39:29.560
<v Speaker 2>She saw through the facade.

0:39:28.520 --> 0:39:30.680
<v Speaker 1>And I was like, you did all this, like you're

0:39:30.800 --> 0:39:33.359
<v Speaker 1>still gaslighting me. You're still trying to turn this around

0:39:33.360 --> 0:39:38.720
<v Speaker 1>and make it like it's my fault. And he left,

0:39:40.560 --> 0:39:41.880
<v Speaker 1>and he went off and got arrested.

0:39:43.400 --> 0:39:45.960
<v Speaker 2>In September of twenty twenty one. He was arrested for

0:39:46.040 --> 0:39:50.320
<v Speaker 2>theft under five thousand dollars and possession of property obtained

0:39:50.360 --> 0:39:54.400
<v Speaker 2>by crime. When Jason raised the computer at their house

0:39:54.400 --> 0:39:58.440
<v Speaker 2>in Aurora, he deleted a lot of evidence. Heather and

0:39:58.480 --> 0:40:01.600
<v Speaker 2>her family hired a lawyer to help them prove that

0:40:01.800 --> 0:40:05.520
<v Speaker 2>Jay stole far more than five thousand dollars from them.

0:40:05.840 --> 0:40:07.680
<v Speaker 2>Heather wanted to get out of the house she shared

0:40:07.680 --> 0:40:10.960
<v Speaker 2>with Jase. She began to sell off their belongings. She

0:40:11.080 --> 0:40:14.040
<v Speaker 2>listed the furniture she bought for Jason's son on Facebook

0:40:14.040 --> 0:40:17.880
<v Speaker 2>marketplace and began clearing out the kid's bedroom, which had

0:40:17.920 --> 0:40:20.360
<v Speaker 2>sat empty during their whole relationship.

0:40:22.760 --> 0:40:25.120
<v Speaker 1>Then I see this, like all the stuff under the bed.

0:40:25.200 --> 0:40:26.200
<v Speaker 3>I'm like, what's this that?

0:40:27.080 --> 0:40:29.720
<v Speaker 1>So I pull it out and it's a plastic bag

0:40:30.239 --> 0:40:32.600
<v Speaker 1>just stuffed to with like papers.

0:40:33.360 --> 0:40:35.560
<v Speaker 2>These were court documents, and.

0:40:35.520 --> 0:40:38.800
<v Speaker 1>I realized I'm staring at all his things from family

0:40:38.880 --> 0:40:42.959
<v Speaker 1>court and I'm reading that he was only ever going

0:40:43.000 --> 0:40:46.400
<v Speaker 1>to have these twice a week supervised visits.

0:40:46.520 --> 0:40:48.240
<v Speaker 3>There was no custody battle.

0:40:49.680 --> 0:40:52.920
<v Speaker 2>Jason Porter does have a son. In fact, he has

0:40:52.960 --> 0:40:56.080
<v Speaker 2>more than one child, though Heather only ever heard about one,

0:40:56.719 --> 0:41:00.320
<v Speaker 2>but his custody arrangement had been decided in February twenty nineteen,

0:41:00.840 --> 0:41:04.040
<v Speaker 2>a year before Heather and Jace moved in together. The

0:41:04.080 --> 0:41:08.319
<v Speaker 2>hope that Jason Heather would have unsupervised visits or sleepovers

0:41:08.320 --> 0:41:12.680
<v Speaker 2>with his son was never a reality. The central tension

0:41:12.760 --> 0:41:16.480
<v Speaker 2>of their relationship Heather waiting to meet his son, the

0:41:16.520 --> 0:41:19.320
<v Speaker 2>custody battle. It was all manufactured.

0:41:20.920 --> 0:41:24.520
<v Speaker 3>There was no lawyer, there was no nothing. It was

0:41:24.560 --> 0:41:26.000
<v Speaker 3>all a lie.

0:41:26.200 --> 0:41:30.680
<v Speaker 1>I had been deceived for over three years about this

0:41:30.840 --> 0:41:34.839
<v Speaker 1>family court situation that didn't exist. And also in that

0:41:34.960 --> 0:41:37.960
<v Speaker 1>bag were the birthday cards and Christmas cards I had

0:41:37.960 --> 0:41:38.640
<v Speaker 1>given his son.

0:41:39.719 --> 0:41:42.680
<v Speaker 2>And that wasn't all. As she continued to clean out

0:41:42.719 --> 0:41:45.400
<v Speaker 2>the house, Heather found more and more.

0:41:46.000 --> 0:41:49.319
<v Speaker 1>There were my mom's missing credit cards. There were all

0:41:49.360 --> 0:41:54.520
<v Speaker 1>these SIM cards and credit cards and a burner phone.

0:41:55.440 --> 0:41:57.200
<v Speaker 1>I can't even believe what I'm looking at.

0:41:58.080 --> 0:42:01.600
<v Speaker 2>Jace didn't have to post bail, and shortly after being arrested,

0:42:02.000 --> 0:42:03.400
<v Speaker 2>he was released again.

0:42:04.239 --> 0:42:07.080
<v Speaker 1>August of Tember October of twenty twenty one, or probably

0:42:07.120 --> 0:42:10.200
<v Speaker 1>three of the worst months of my life because it

0:42:10.280 --> 0:42:11.200
<v Speaker 1>was just exhausting.

0:42:11.760 --> 0:42:14.200
<v Speaker 2>And what made it even harder was that she got

0:42:14.280 --> 0:42:16.160
<v Speaker 2>little to no help from the police.

0:42:16.719 --> 0:42:19.400
<v Speaker 1>I realized when the police weren't going to help me,

0:42:20.400 --> 0:42:25.120
<v Speaker 1>I wanted answers. I wanted somebody to hold this guy accountable.

0:42:25.840 --> 0:42:28.360
<v Speaker 2>She got in touch with a local journalist at Toronto

0:42:28.440 --> 0:42:29.959
<v Speaker 2>Life magazine.

0:42:30.360 --> 0:42:34.160
<v Speaker 3>They do often some really great investigative.

0:42:33.920 --> 0:42:37.120
<v Speaker 1>Stories, and maybe like a week later, I was sitting

0:42:37.160 --> 0:42:41.440
<v Speaker 1>down with a journalist, Jane Gerster, and she was incredible

0:42:42.920 --> 0:42:47.600
<v Speaker 1>I realized if I hold on to feeling embarrassed and

0:42:47.640 --> 0:42:50.000
<v Speaker 1>ashamed about what he did to me, it just gives

0:42:50.080 --> 0:42:52.799
<v Speaker 1>him more power and more fuel.

0:42:53.200 --> 0:42:56.440
<v Speaker 2>Heather wanted to take back her story, and she wanted

0:42:56.440 --> 0:42:59.480
<v Speaker 2>to stop jas. This article would be a great way

0:42:59.520 --> 0:43:02.040
<v Speaker 2>to do that. When the piece came out.

0:43:02.800 --> 0:43:06.080
<v Speaker 1>Within days, I'm having people reach out to me, and

0:43:06.080 --> 0:43:08.880
<v Speaker 1>I'm like, oh my god, I'm connecting with more victims

0:43:08.920 --> 0:43:10.959
<v Speaker 1>of his, and I have more people just randomly reaching

0:43:10.960 --> 0:43:11.360
<v Speaker 1>out to me.

0:43:12.040 --> 0:43:15.280
<v Speaker 2>She learned really quickly the scale of Jason Porter's con.

0:43:15.960 --> 0:43:19.200
<v Speaker 2>He had scammed so many women, and their stories all

0:43:19.200 --> 0:43:23.200
<v Speaker 2>followed the same pattern. Jace posed as the perfect boyfriend

0:43:23.280 --> 0:43:26.640
<v Speaker 2>in order to gain access to their possessions. The story

0:43:26.640 --> 0:43:29.120
<v Speaker 2>being out in the open allowed them to come together.

0:43:30.120 --> 0:43:34.560
<v Speaker 1>All the women I've connected with, they're lovely, Leslie. I

0:43:34.600 --> 0:43:36.319
<v Speaker 1>talked to her yesterday. I talked to her all the time.

0:43:36.440 --> 0:43:42.480
<v Speaker 1>She is such an beautiful, amazing woman. Judy, I have

0:43:42.560 --> 0:43:45.320
<v Speaker 1>so much respect for her. She is such a titan

0:43:45.560 --> 0:43:48.200
<v Speaker 1>in business. And there's some that I still haven't even

0:43:48.280 --> 0:43:50.879
<v Speaker 1>met in person, But like every now and then one

0:43:50.920 --> 0:43:52.239
<v Speaker 1>of them will call and I'll be like, I was

0:43:52.280 --> 0:43:52.880
<v Speaker 1>thinking about you.

0:43:55.680 --> 0:43:58.600
<v Speaker 2>Jay's hurt a lot of people. It took three and

0:43:58.600 --> 0:44:01.040
<v Speaker 2>a half years for Heather to finally see her day

0:44:01.080 --> 0:44:05.080
<v Speaker 2>in court. Once everything was uncovered, Heather's family learned that

0:44:05.200 --> 0:44:08.439
<v Speaker 2>Jace stole over fifty thousand dollars in value from them

0:44:08.920 --> 0:44:12.239
<v Speaker 2>through stolen property. Purchase is made with Heather's credit card,

0:44:12.760 --> 0:44:16.799
<v Speaker 2>unpaid bills, and more. But because Jay's deleted everything off

0:44:16.800 --> 0:44:20.400
<v Speaker 2>the computer, there wasn't enough evidence to prove the full

0:44:20.560 --> 0:44:21.840
<v Speaker 2>extent of his crimes.

0:44:23.400 --> 0:44:27.439
<v Speaker 1>In January of twenty twenty four, we finally were set

0:44:27.480 --> 0:44:30.560
<v Speaker 1>to start the trial, and as luck would have it,

0:44:30.960 --> 0:44:35.359
<v Speaker 1>Jace's lawyer was sick that day, so everybody got sent

0:44:35.440 --> 0:44:39.439
<v Speaker 1>home and court was going to readjourn on Wednesday and

0:44:39.800 --> 0:44:43.040
<v Speaker 1>I was going to be the first witness up. I

0:44:43.080 --> 0:44:45.759
<v Speaker 1>get a phone call from the opp detective saying, don't

0:44:45.800 --> 0:44:50.520
<v Speaker 1>bother coming to court. Court's been adjourned. Why, well, some

0:44:50.680 --> 0:44:54.200
<v Speaker 1>very serious allegations have been brought forward. He said, did

0:44:54.239 --> 0:44:57.920
<v Speaker 1>you see flyers the other day at court? I'm like flyars, Like,

0:44:58.080 --> 0:44:59.640
<v Speaker 1>what are you talking about?

0:45:00.719 --> 0:45:05.359
<v Speaker 2>The courthouse had been canvassed with flyers campaigning against Jace.

0:45:06.480 --> 0:45:10.360
<v Speaker 1>And it's a picture of Jace and it says guilty

0:45:10.640 --> 0:45:15.360
<v Speaker 1>Jace Parati, and he said, they basically implicate you for

0:45:15.480 --> 0:45:16.399
<v Speaker 1>jury tampering. Heather.

0:45:19.840 --> 0:45:22.080
<v Speaker 2>It looked like someone was trying to bias the jury

0:45:22.120 --> 0:45:25.800
<v Speaker 2>against him and that could have serious consequences.

0:45:26.480 --> 0:45:30.200
<v Speaker 1>At the very bottom of the flyer, it says something like,

0:45:30.960 --> 0:45:35.399
<v Speaker 1>if you have more information or would like to be interviewed,

0:45:35.840 --> 0:45:40.040
<v Speaker 1>contact heatherovet at Gmail or call and it was my

0:45:40.080 --> 0:45:42.680
<v Speaker 1>phone number, but I'm like, oh, he actually got my

0:45:42.680 --> 0:45:44.240
<v Speaker 1>phone number wrong by one digit.

0:45:45.719 --> 0:45:49.080
<v Speaker 2>The police began investigating who was behind the flyers.

0:45:50.440 --> 0:45:55.840
<v Speaker 1>Jace was eventually arrested or obstruction of justice, jury tampering,

0:45:56.000 --> 0:46:00.240
<v Speaker 1>and Detective con said to me, these are very serious allegations.

0:46:01.080 --> 0:46:04.160
<v Speaker 1>These actually hold way more weight than the theft and crime.

0:46:05.520 --> 0:46:09.360
<v Speaker 2>On January twentieth, twenty twenty five, Jas pled guilty to

0:46:09.520 --> 0:46:12.960
<v Speaker 2>one count of theft of property over five thousand dollars

0:46:13.160 --> 0:46:16.200
<v Speaker 2>and one count of possession of property obtained by crime

0:46:16.400 --> 0:46:18.040
<v Speaker 2>over five thousand dollars.

0:46:18.440 --> 0:46:23.400
<v Speaker 3>Two months later, there was a sentencing hearing and we

0:46:23.440 --> 0:46:26.399
<v Speaker 3>got to read our victim impact statements and I went

0:46:26.440 --> 0:46:29.879
<v Speaker 3>in person and he was there and he wouldn't look

0:46:29.920 --> 0:46:31.560
<v Speaker 3>at me, he wouldn't acknowledge me.

0:46:32.480 --> 0:46:35.279
<v Speaker 2>The judge ended up giving him more time than the

0:46:35.320 --> 0:46:36.640
<v Speaker 2>prosecutors asked for.

0:46:37.120 --> 0:46:39.239
<v Speaker 3>So he got two years last one day.

0:46:39.880 --> 0:46:44.720
<v Speaker 1>She definitely made a point of referencing that it wasn't

0:46:45.040 --> 0:46:49.399
<v Speaker 1>just a robbery and theft. It was calculated, done over

0:46:49.440 --> 0:46:54.080
<v Speaker 1>a length of time. There was the intimacy and bringing

0:46:54.160 --> 0:46:58.160
<v Speaker 1>him into my family. He really betrayed our trust. The

0:46:58.280 --> 0:47:02.480
<v Speaker 1>judge ordered him into and he was led away in handcuffs.

0:47:03.760 --> 0:47:06.759
<v Speaker 2>After her trial, Heather had to focus on healing and

0:47:06.800 --> 0:47:08.120
<v Speaker 2>rebuilding her life.

0:47:08.560 --> 0:47:10.759
<v Speaker 1>I had two therapists. I did a lot of amdr

0:47:10.920 --> 0:47:15.120
<v Speaker 1>for the trauma. I've gotten way more into meditating and

0:47:15.360 --> 0:47:16.400
<v Speaker 1>Kundalini yoga.

0:47:17.400 --> 0:47:18.640
<v Speaker 3>I know it all helps.

0:47:19.719 --> 0:47:23.120
<v Speaker 2>Another part of her healing has been sharing her story.

0:47:23.320 --> 0:47:26.920
<v Speaker 2>Heather told her story on a documentary alongside other women

0:47:27.160 --> 0:47:29.040
<v Speaker 2>that were victimized by Jason Porter.

0:47:29.760 --> 0:47:32.440
<v Speaker 1>By talking publicly, I felt like it gave me back

0:47:32.600 --> 0:47:36.160
<v Speaker 1>my story, like it gave me control, It gave me confidence,

0:47:36.880 --> 0:47:37.719
<v Speaker 1>it gave me.

0:47:38.960 --> 0:47:40.320
<v Speaker 3>The power back.

0:47:40.880 --> 0:47:43.759
<v Speaker 2>She's become a face of the movement to criminalize and

0:47:43.840 --> 0:47:46.120
<v Speaker 2>stop serial romance gammers.

0:47:46.640 --> 0:47:50.200
<v Speaker 1>And after all of this, it's still not a crime

0:47:50.880 --> 0:47:53.840
<v Speaker 1>what he did to me. You know, I really hope

0:47:53.880 --> 0:47:57.879
<v Speaker 1>that times change and I just wish the system would

0:47:57.920 --> 0:48:03.320
<v Speaker 1>recognize the emotional abuse, especially if it's from a known felon.

0:48:04.239 --> 0:48:07.640
<v Speaker 2>It's helping her and she hopes her story brings awareness.

0:48:08.600 --> 0:48:11.440
<v Speaker 3>My story is not unique.

0:48:11.640 --> 0:48:18.360
<v Speaker 1>There is a Jason Jason in every town, city, province,

0:48:18.400 --> 0:48:23.040
<v Speaker 1>country around the world. One in twenty five people are

0:48:23.080 --> 0:48:30.000
<v Speaker 1>a sociopath, psychopath, narcissist, whatever. If something doesn't feel right,

0:48:31.239 --> 0:48:33.880
<v Speaker 1>you ought to be able to speak to that person

0:48:34.239 --> 0:48:38.480
<v Speaker 1>and get a straight answer. But it's very hard when

0:48:38.480 --> 0:48:41.960
<v Speaker 1>you are being conditioned, groomed, love bombed and you're not

0:48:42.120 --> 0:48:46.279
<v Speaker 1>thinking straight. And I do think those little nudges of

0:48:46.360 --> 0:48:49.560
<v Speaker 1>not feeling right, it's easy to ignore them, but I

0:48:49.600 --> 0:48:52.680
<v Speaker 1>do think that's like your deepest intuition, Like that's something

0:48:52.880 --> 0:48:57.200
<v Speaker 1>in you that's saying like, uh huh, that doesn't listen, listen,

0:48:57.239 --> 0:49:02.120
<v Speaker 1>and it's a soft whisper, but I think we have

0:49:02.200 --> 0:49:02.920
<v Speaker 1>to listen to that.

0:49:09.280 --> 0:49:13.200
<v Speaker 2>We end every weekly episode with the same question, why

0:49:13.200 --> 0:49:15.520
<v Speaker 2>do you want to share your story?

0:49:16.480 --> 0:49:17.640
<v Speaker 3>Your podcast?

0:49:17.760 --> 0:49:22.360
<v Speaker 1>I feel helps heal the internal bruises that we can't see,

0:49:23.880 --> 0:49:27.200
<v Speaker 1>like you just feel this, like, oh my god, it's

0:49:27.280 --> 0:49:28.000
<v Speaker 1>not just me.

0:49:28.360 --> 0:49:29.600
<v Speaker 3>I'm not so alone.

0:49:29.960 --> 0:49:33.319
<v Speaker 1>I'm not making up how I'm feeling like it's so validating.

0:49:33.960 --> 0:49:38.440
<v Speaker 1>It's that human heart connection that's so important. When you

0:49:38.600 --> 0:49:42.480
<v Speaker 1>tell your story, you're taking ownership of it, and that

0:49:42.640 --> 0:49:43.839
<v Speaker 1>is so empowering.

0:49:47.719 --> 0:49:50.640
<v Speaker 2>If you want to watch Heather's documentary, you can find

0:49:50.680 --> 0:49:54.400
<v Speaker 2>it on Amazon Prime. It's called rom Con. Who the

0:49:54.680 --> 0:50:01.200
<v Speaker 2>f Is? Jason Porter On the next episode of Betrayal Weekly.

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<v Speaker 4>She made it seem like it was a normal thing.

0:50:03.760 --> 0:50:07.640
<v Speaker 4>But we'd have gold bars. A gold bar. I remember

0:50:07.640 --> 0:50:11.120
<v Speaker 4>at the time it being like ten thousand dollars. It

0:50:11.160 --> 0:50:13.080
<v Speaker 4>was like the slow burn to like that wasn't weird

0:50:13.120 --> 0:50:15.680
<v Speaker 4>to me. I don't think I was even always told

0:50:15.719 --> 0:50:17.640
<v Speaker 4>what I was doing. I just did whatever she asked

0:50:17.640 --> 0:50:18.120
<v Speaker 4>me to do.

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