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Speaker 5: and Bonnie Joe Laughlin. Ladies, Hi, y'all doing today?
Speaker 3: I feel good. I'm sure you guys already talked about
Speaker 3: it yesterday, but I mean, I know it's too I
Speaker 3: should say, kind of two bad teams, but I'll take
Speaker 3: that win because it's something for them to build upon.
Speaker 3: And we, you know, we're able to see that we
Speaker 3: could off the run because I did think singletarys have
Speaker 3: a big day and he didn't, you know, and then
Speaker 3: obviously trying to establish our run a little bit wreco
Speaker 3: impressed me. I still would like to get over one
Speaker 3: hundred yards rushing at some point. I think we got
Speaker 3: like one O two, maybe Cleveland week one, but you know,
Speaker 3: and Zeke did a little bit, so I was happy.
Speaker 3: And I think CD's got his rhythm and Dak looked great.
Speaker 3: He was very efficient, So I was happy.
Speaker 5: And we didn't get a chance to hear I know,
Speaker 5: we're going to talk more of the DeMarcus Lawrence.
Speaker 3: News and yeah, that's the only thing. Though, when you
Speaker 3: lose those two guys, it's like, gosh, I mean, I
Speaker 3: obviously you take a dub all day long, but when
Speaker 3: you lose those two guys, sure did it give.
Speaker 6: You a little hope though?
Speaker 5: That win from the Giants did give you more hope
Speaker 5: heading into week five?
Speaker 6: Oh?
Speaker 3: Absolutely, And I think it gives these rookie guys confidence.
Speaker 3: And we all know how much you know, this is
Speaker 3: the NFL, so any given Sunday, you know, so any
Speaker 3: given Thursday night. So it just it was something where
Speaker 3: I thought, Okay, we could start to see some flashes
Speaker 3: of what's the potential. And I was happy with it.
Speaker 3: I know, again, it's a giant, just like we talked
Speaker 3: about the Browns. But I'm gonna take it because at
Speaker 3: this point, you any any opponent is a good opponent
Speaker 3: right now.
Speaker 6: Yeah, that was one of the themes yesterday. Is a
Speaker 6: W is a W? You don't get extra credit for
Speaker 6: winning pretty or right? You know you you.
Speaker 3: You're in the wing column and you know, and it's
Speaker 3: a division win, so you know, I'm happy with that.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I don't know about the Giants being the Giants,
Speaker 5: so we can't say that anymore because they didn't look
Speaker 5: too bad. They left some touchdowns off the field that
Speaker 5: could have been a whole different game.
Speaker 3: And that's why I like is that they held the
Speaker 3: actually to just field goal, five field goals and no touchdowns,
Speaker 3: So that was that was good.
Speaker 6: Yeah, And the thing that everyone was harping on going
Speaker 6: into that game was improving the run defense and you
Speaker 6: mentioned singletary and shoot, when you allow only one point
Speaker 6: one yards per.
Speaker 3: Twenty six yards total, yeah.
Speaker 6: That's just an amazing, uh you know, way to finish.
Speaker 6: And actually I say finish, you take it, move forward
Speaker 6: and build upon exactly.
Speaker 3: And you were there. How was that? And I'm sure
Speaker 3: you talked about yesterday, but was it? How is the energy?
Speaker 6: Yeah? It was good. There were a lot of Cowboy
Speaker 6: fans there. There always are when we play in New York,
Speaker 6: and so yeah, the Giants hung in there pretty much,
Speaker 6: but yeah, by the end it was just the Cowboys
Speaker 6: fans that were left behind the visiting bench. So that's
Speaker 6: always sweet.
Speaker 5: It's always sweet to see this run defense taking steps
Speaker 5: in the red. Yes, as well, when you talk about
Speaker 5: the unfortunate news of DeMarcus Lawrence and Michael Parsons, they
Speaker 5: will be missing some time. DeMarcus Lawrence officially being placed
Speaker 5: on ir and so that means that he will be
Speaker 5: out for about four weeks, could possibly miss some more
Speaker 5: time with that midfoot injury. But the Cowboys have signed
Speaker 5: kJ Henry defensive end who was on the Bengals practice squad.
Speaker 5: First thoughts on what Henry brings that other guys in
Speaker 5: that defensive end position in the Cowboys does not bring.
Speaker 6: Played a really good program at Clemson and was a
Speaker 6: fifth round pick of Washington last year and got quite
Speaker 6: a bit of playing time for a fifth round pick,
Speaker 6: over two hundred snaps on defense and played in ten games.
Speaker 6: And here's the main thing. In Washington last year, his
Speaker 6: position coach was Jeff Scanina, who was the new Cowboys
Speaker 6: defensive line coach. So there is product knowledge here and
Speaker 6: so Jeff knows exactly what to expect from kJ as
Speaker 6: he comes in. But you know, if you look at
Speaker 6: the stat line, look beyond the sacks one and a
Speaker 6: half sacks, but also six quarterback hits, four tackles for loss,
Speaker 6: nine pressures, pretty good against the run as well. Overall,
Speaker 6: nineteen tackles. So that's a pretty good stat line in
Speaker 6: just ten games. So what happened was, after that rookie
Speaker 6: year in Washington, you go through the off season, get
Speaker 6: to training camp. Washington releases him at the end of
Speaker 6: training camp and wants to sign him back to the
Speaker 6: practice squad. But because he's a young guy, he's on waivers.
Speaker 6: And actually one thing I heard was that the Cowboys
Speaker 6: were considering claiming him off waivers, but Cincinnati got him,
Speaker 6: and so Cincinnati signed him to their fifty three men.
Speaker 6: He played a couple games, so he got reverted to
Speaker 6: the practice squad and the Cowboys plucked him from the
Speaker 6: practice squad. So to me, the main thing is the
Speaker 6: coaching staff. There's already you know, some as I say,
Speaker 6: product knowledge, but a better feel of exactly what he
Speaker 6: can do and how they think he can contribute.
Speaker 5: Another thing I like is that he can contribute on
Speaker 5: special teams.
Speaker 3: Exactly good point.
Speaker 5: In twenty twenty three, he played three hundred and forty
Speaker 5: seven total snaps. Of course, seventy eight were special teams,
Speaker 5: not as much as his defensive snaps. But you love,
Speaker 5: of course Bones Fossils. John Fossil is also going to
Speaker 5: be very happy about an extra body, an extra blocker
Speaker 5: on special teams as well. But what did you think
Speaker 5: about kJ Henry and the new signing? What do you feel?
Speaker 3: Yeah, I actually know one of the Bengals scouts and
Speaker 3: so he actually gave me a little bit of skyt
Speaker 3: report on him, and he said he's talented athletic, and
Speaker 3: he said he really moves his hips well, Christy so
Speaker 3: gets him off that corner really well, which I thought
Speaker 3: was you know, and he's got a lot of upside.
Speaker 3: You know, he's that that cross chop movie told me about,
Speaker 3: and he's got you know, springing outside linebacker. So you know,
Speaker 3: they they all said they loved him, so that's you know,
Speaker 3: it's actually a huge loss for them because they are
Speaker 3: hoping to elevate him at some point. So for us
Speaker 3: to grab him, they said it's a win win, So
Speaker 3: I thought that was great.
Speaker 6: Yeah, he looks like kind of one of these taller,
Speaker 6: thinner guys, you know, so kind of off the edge.
Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly so, but are athletic.
Speaker 6: Yeah. But he also put up some decent, you know
Speaker 6: stats against the run the previous year in Washington, so
Speaker 6: hopefully he can hold that up, because you know that's
Speaker 6: one thing with Marshawn Nelan, the rookie who's going to
Speaker 6: come in and be one of the starters now with
Speaker 6: both Micah and Dee Law Michah missing hopefully not too
Speaker 6: much time, but you know, he's a good player against
Speaker 6: the run, so you don't want that drop off to
Speaker 6: where it's a guy who's like just a pastor exactly.
Speaker 5: And you mentioned Marshaw Neeland. So that's now two young
Speaker 5: guys within this defensive end room. That's a lot of youth.
Speaker 5: I don't know, are you guys confident with that? I mean,
Speaker 5: you really don't have a choice.
Speaker 6: Second, yeah, the confident. We haven't really seen him. I
Speaker 6: mean I recognized the name just from preparing for the
Speaker 6: Commanders last year, but other than just the recognition of
Speaker 6: the name, I couldn't tell you any more about it.
Speaker 6: That's why Bonnie Jill, I'm glad you're able to talk
Speaker 6: to your friend who's the scalp, because that's some good stoke.
Speaker 3: It was all pretty upside, which was good. The fact
Speaker 3: that he said that we would wanted to elevate him
Speaker 3: at some point like that was there waiting and then
Speaker 3: for us to grab him that they were upset about that.
Speaker 3: So good job of the Cowboys for doing that for sure.
Speaker 5: With the state of this defensive line, I know it
Speaker 5: pains me to even think about it, with these losses,
Speaker 5: is there any concern heading in? I mean, because now
Speaker 5: you're putting your faith in I mean Marshall Neeland. Don't
Speaker 5: get me wrong. He has improved as a pastor.
Speaker 3: He definitely has of the last couple of weeks, and
Speaker 3: the coaches love him.
Speaker 5: They said they love him, and he's more confident. You
Speaker 5: can see it in his play. But now you're having
Speaker 5: to rely on Carl Lawson and Chauncey Golden, who again
Speaker 5: has improved as well. But with the amount of snaps
Speaker 5: that they have not played, is there any concern of
Speaker 5: what the production looks like for them?
Speaker 6: Well, I'd like to share something that Mike Tomlin, the
Speaker 6: Steelers head coach, said today in his press conference, and
Speaker 6: it goes to what we were talking about yesterday on
Speaker 6: this podcast. We were saying that Mike McCarthy had alluded
Speaker 6: to it. When you lose a Michaeh. Parsons, when you
Speaker 6: lose a DeMarcus Lawrence, two of the best at their
Speaker 6: position in the game, uh and Micah one of the
Speaker 6: top two or three pass rushers. It's not a one
Speaker 6: for one exchange. You're not Chauncey Goldstin and nieland are
Speaker 6: not replacing Micah and d law because nobody can. So
Speaker 6: we were talking about how Zimmer's gonna have to, you know,
Speaker 6: do some things and scheme it up. So let's hear
Speaker 6: what Mike Tomlin had to say about that today. Mike
Speaker 6: Zimmer is no novice. He's been around, We've competed against
Speaker 6: him over the years. I've got a lot of respect
Speaker 6: for his approach to ball, his aggressive schematic demeanor. He's
Speaker 6: one of the godfathers of double A pressure. Double A.
Speaker 6: That means the pressure, the blitzing up the middle, pressuring
Speaker 6: the quarterback up the gap on each side of the
Speaker 6: center in one dimensional passing moments. I've seen it in Cincinnati.
Speaker 6: So Tomlin used to go against Zimmer twice a year
Speaker 6: when Zimmer was the defensive coordinator for the Cincinnati Bengals.
Speaker 6: You know, we better prepare ourselves for multiple blitz looks
Speaker 6: and so forth. I'd imagine that he's going to have
Speaker 6: all the schematic tools at his disposal in terms of
Speaker 6: creating pressure on the quarterback, particularly maybe with his edge
Speaker 6: guys out. You do what you've got to do from
Speaker 6: a coach's perspective, And I use this phrase all the time.
Speaker 6: If you've got red paint, you paint your barn red.
Speaker 6: And so with those dynamic edge people like Lawrence and
Speaker 6: maybe even Parsons out, we better get ready for a
Speaker 6: lot of schematic pressure from Zimmer.
Speaker 5: I'm not gonna lie. Can you the red paint?
Speaker 6: Say it again?
Speaker 5: And cool?
Speaker 3: I love that.
Speaker 6: Okay, So this is Mike Tomlin. I use the phrase
Speaker 6: all the time. If you've got red paint, you paint
Speaker 6: your barn red. In other words, using using using the players,
Speaker 6: like the way using players the way that you know,
Speaker 6: playing to their strengths, right, And if you're without two
Speaker 6: dynamic edge pass rushers, which they are, how do you
Speaker 6: compensate for that? So we were saying, do you send
Speaker 6: demo on some things? Uh, you know, blitz over shown
Speaker 6: to you used Jordan Lewis off the as off the
Speaker 6: nickel is you know, blitzing from that so and it
Speaker 6: doesn't mean crazy things, it means mixing it up. And
Speaker 6: you know, Chauncey Goldston is a guy who the previous
Speaker 6: couple of years was uh most of the time when
Speaker 6: he came in, it was in a nickel pass rush situation,
Speaker 6: and so instead of rushing from defensive end, they would
Speaker 6: move him to the inside and he would pass rush
Speaker 6: from the inside. Well, now he's more likely to pass
Speaker 6: rush from the outside. I mean, he could still move
Speaker 6: inside and you have lost In and Kneeland out side.
Speaker 6: You can move mare Shaan around too. But you know,
Speaker 6: I just think we're gonna see multiple things Kay.
Speaker 3: And goldsend with his lengthen size, don't you agree, good
Speaker 3: against the run from what I've seen so far.
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, he plays better off the edge too. I
Speaker 5: love that Zimmer wanted to try him out. I mean,
Speaker 5: obviously he played defensive end before, but when they moved
Speaker 5: him into the nterior, I like the fact that Zimmer
Speaker 5: wants to give him more opportunities off the edge.
Speaker 3: I feel like he's a great pass.
Speaker 6: Usher as well, yeah, we'll see you see a lot.
Speaker 6: And the other thing, Bonnie Joe we were talking about
Speaker 6: yesterday is this is Chauncey's fourth year, right the final
Speaker 6: year of his Rooky contract. So with this opportunity, it
Speaker 6: is a golden opportunity for him to contracts and really
Speaker 6: make Hay and your contract here.
Speaker 5: Yeah, it's gonna be a lot of fun to see.
Speaker 3: It should be to see what we would see these
Speaker 3: guys and what Zim does, Yes.
Speaker 5: For sure, and it's gonna be a lot of fun
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Speaker 5: I see what she did there.
Speaker 3: Yes, changed. It just makes fun of me for saying,
Speaker 3: all right, all right, alright, alright.
Speaker 5: It is okay, all right, ladies, this offense so far
Speaker 5: Finally getting some production there with Rico Dawdle. Love to
Speaker 5: see him get his first touchdown of the year, and
Speaker 5: CD Lamb as well against the Giants. What did y'all
Speaker 5: like from this offense? We'll start with likes first and
Speaker 5: then we'll move to dislikes. What did you like?
Speaker 6: Christ Jack had his best game of the year by
Speaker 6: far for twenty seven. Yeah, and it looks like the
Speaker 6: connection to CD, which the first few weeks was you
Speaker 6: could tell.
Speaker 3: Was a little dicey, which I could be back and.
Speaker 6: A little more efficient with the run. But again, you
Speaker 6: know it's it's the same thing from the previous couple
Speaker 6: of weeks. You've got to cut down on the penalties,
Speaker 6: yes I am. Yeah, yeah, so still shooting yourself in
Speaker 6: the foot a bit, but major improvement. But particularly with Dak,
Speaker 6: it was he was outstanding.
Speaker 9: Yeah.
Speaker 3: I like how active he was, and I really like
Speaker 3: how he spread the ball around, you know, that was
Speaker 3: really impressive. And third down and red zone penalties, I
Speaker 3: mean that'll just kill a drive. You'll know that. So
Speaker 3: that's really frustrating to see that. But yeah, thirty percent
Speaker 3: on third down conversions, Yeah, yes, that's it's got to
Speaker 3: be better.
Speaker 6: It's you're going to be that in the mid forties
Speaker 6: or higher. And absolutely yeah, and that's beyond.
Speaker 3: Sorry after absolutely so I said that, then I looked,
Speaker 3: try to Christy.
Speaker 6: We're joking because we have these verbal crutches. You call
Speaker 6: it when you use the same words over and over
Speaker 6: and absolutely as mine. Absolutely so. Now the thing is
Speaker 6: now that you're four games in, it is what Mike
Speaker 6: McCarthy says with September fiftell you are kind of like
Speaker 6: showing you. But now at this point you're showing who
Speaker 6: you are, and so what we've seen so far we
Speaker 6: don't like. And you cannot get through a season with
Speaker 6: a third down conversion percentage in the low thirties. That's
Speaker 6: just not going to cut it. And part of that
Speaker 6: goes to the run game and not getting in the
Speaker 6: rhythm or established. And I thought the run game has
Speaker 6: been better the last couple of weeks, but then you
Speaker 6: move behind the chains with those penalties. So it goes
Speaker 6: back to this team. And I'm sorry, three years into
Speaker 6: girls talk, boys talk say the same thing every time, absolutely,
Speaker 6: and that is the team's not just Cowboys, but across
Speaker 6: the NFL. You're not good enough to beat yourselves if
Speaker 6: you beat yourselves. It's hard enough to beat the opponent
Speaker 6: when you're seeing yourself as well. You just can't. It's
Speaker 6: teams just can't overcome that in this league because the
Speaker 6: margins are so small.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 3: I was glad though, to see a little bit more
Speaker 3: of the run game kind of, you know, because we
Speaker 3: all know if you don't have a good run game,
Speaker 3: you know, you don't win games at the end of
Speaker 3: the day, and that's something that's always been concerning. Get
Speaker 3: that pressure off deck. So I'm hoping as the weeks
Speaker 3: go on, they're kind of kinking out right, they're ironing
Speaker 3: out all those kinks, and hopefully we'll figure it out
Speaker 3: this week even more because I did see an upside,
Speaker 3: definitely for sure.
Speaker 5: I like the fact that the run game improved only
Speaker 5: eighty yards on the ground, but they didn't see I'll
Speaker 5: take it better than what they had the week prior,
Speaker 5: but when it didn't work. I like how McCarthy used
Speaker 5: douce Van in space, made sure to get Rico Dadell
Speaker 5: out there in space, because hey, rico'dad's touchdown was actually
Speaker 5: a receiving touchdown, so you know, he's trying these different ways.
Speaker 5: The screenplays getting running backs involved in the screen game.
Speaker 5: I thought that was actually a different thing. I mean,
Speaker 5: that was kind of what they used earlier in the
Speaker 5: season last year, until they started getting more confident in
Speaker 5: driving the ball downfield.
Speaker 1: Uh.
Speaker 5: Were y'all confident in the play calling? Y'all like the
Speaker 5: play calling at all?
Speaker 6: Uh?
Speaker 5: Could there have been a different way?
Speaker 6: But I did you know? Part of it was again,
Speaker 6: here's so many, so many penalties in the game that
Speaker 6: there was really no flow. Sure, and we have not
Speaker 6: seen the Cowboys offense yet.
Speaker 3: Yeah, right, we don't even know. Yeah, Hunter Lukie Can
Speaker 3: mentioned him as well because he really impressed me, and
Speaker 3: I feel like listening to often the Corodinator Sean or
Speaker 3: how he said that there's nothing this kid can't do,
Speaker 3: you know that he's pretty versatile. I mean, so I
Speaker 3: really love how they're using him. And I can see
Speaker 3: the confidence that Dak is seeing him because there's some
Speaker 3: real tough third down drives where I'm like, wow, you know,
Speaker 3: real tight coverages and it's happening.
Speaker 5: I like that.
Speaker 3: I don't know if y'all have.
Speaker 6: Yeah, would you be surprised to note that he got
Speaker 6: the most of all the running back snaps and see
Speaker 6: the game last Thursday, so I didn't know that. But
Speaker 6: Lipkey was on the field for twenty nine plays, okay,
Speaker 6: and I'm going offensive snaps, not special teams, So fifty
Speaker 6: two percent. Rico was second with twenty five snaps forty
Speaker 6: five percent. Deuce only had four, Zeke had ten. So
Speaker 6: this is this is the most. Let's see the previous week,
Speaker 6: Hunter Lipkey had thirty snaps, but overall the Cowboys had
Speaker 6: more snaps overall, so thirty eight percent. But you can
Speaker 6: see that Lipkey's snaps per game is trending up, whereas
Speaker 6: Zeke's are trending down and Deuces it's really more kind
Speaker 6: of like with matchups and stuff like Duce had ten
Speaker 6: offensive snaps in week two, but the other weeks he's
Speaker 6: had two, five and four.
Speaker 5: Do you guys agree with Zeke's snaps going down?
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know.
Speaker 6: I think part of it though, is they're not like
Speaker 6: down in the red zone and these short yardage kind
Speaker 6: of things. You know, I really do you believe it?
Speaker 6: It is more situational. And am I surprised that Rico's
Speaker 6: getting more snaps than Zeke. No, not at all, because
Speaker 6: I think that even if they were getting in a
Speaker 6: rhythm converting third downs, and I think that we would
Speaker 6: see more Rico.
Speaker 3: But Zeke still look pretty good compared to like from
Speaker 3: all the other games. He still had some valuable contributions
Speaker 3: I saw as well. So I think it's working right now.
Speaker 3: I would be happy to see Dalvin Cook elevated. I
Speaker 3: know he's ready. I know he knows the playbook, he
Speaker 3: knows the terminology. So I know that's the kind of
Speaker 3: people don't want to talk about that. But I don't know, Chris,
Speaker 3: you may see something different. Well, I doesn't see him
Speaker 3: in there. Yeah.
Speaker 6: I think the issue is, for example, you know you've
Speaker 6: elevated Carl Lawson. I know you probably get two elevations
Speaker 6: per week, and so they've done these elevations by what
Speaker 6: you need, Yeah, and they've needed defensive end. And then
Speaker 6: they used Nick Vigil. He was elevated the first three games.
Speaker 6: Who's Nick Vigil? He's a backup line backer who plays
Speaker 6: a lot on special teams. I think the thing that
Speaker 6: hurts uh, that that hurts Dalvin Cook is he's not
Speaker 6: a special teams guy at least that we know of.
Speaker 6: So a backup running back, and you could say, well,
Speaker 6: Zeke's a backup running back. Now, well, but the hunterd
Speaker 6: lip Keys, the Deuce Vaughan's and you know Siames, So
Speaker 6: I think that's an issue. But with the with the
Speaker 6: situation as it is, with not just defensive line. I
Speaker 6: mentioned Carl Lawson being elevated. Remember in the game Thursday,
Speaker 6: they also elevated Amani over Warrior. Yes, wow, it was
Speaker 6: just didn't even practice that one. And he ended up
Speaker 6: having the interception at the end of the game to
Speaker 6: clinch the win. So that was because of the injury
Speaker 6: to Kaylin Carson. So again, but it just kind of
Speaker 6: is going to be our priority thing.
Speaker 5: Yeah, with the running back situation and the struggles with
Speaker 5: the run game, do y'all still feel that it's the
Speaker 5: lack of ability within this personnel or is it this
Speaker 5: or is it this offensive line which one do y'all think?
Speaker 5: I know sometimes I know the beginning of the year,
Speaker 5: we're thinking it's maybe at least I'll speak for myself,
Speaker 5: I was thinking that it was more so the personnel
Speaker 5: wasn't there to get it done. And that's again because
Speaker 5: we hadn't seen the attempts. That's something that Mike McCarthy
Speaker 5: even mentioned. But over time, starting to.
Speaker 3: Think that's it. I was with you too, isn't sure
Speaker 3: about the personnel. If we had the backs could actually
Speaker 3: do it. Pollard was gonna be a big missing piece.
Speaker 3: But now I feel like we didn't really know what
Speaker 3: these guys were capable of. Now we're seeing it. Is
Speaker 3: it because the old line is weak, you know, and
Speaker 3: there's times where they're not able to get those lanes
Speaker 3: open and there's they need help. So that's I don't know, Christie,
Speaker 3: what you think. I think it's a combination of both,
Speaker 3: is what I'm saying.
Speaker 6: Absolutely, And the penalties too, because remember when you when
Speaker 6: you fall behind, you know when it's you get a penalty,
Speaker 6: and it's second, third and long, you know you're you're
Speaker 6: having to pass the past. And the other thing is remember,
Speaker 6: for example, you mentioned Rico scoring on the touchdown pass
Speaker 6: the screen a lot of times. The way the NFL
Speaker 6: isn't the way it used to be. It's not three
Speaker 6: yards and a cloud of dust anymore. So the thing
Speaker 6: is getting the ball out to your playmakers in space,
Speaker 6: which is what they did with Tony Pollard and the like.
Speaker 6: So think of some of these short deals screened a
Speaker 6: little bit different. How it's set up with blocking, but
Speaker 6: think of getting the ball out to the guys in space,
Speaker 6: and if it's these short passes, think of it as
Speaker 6: an extended handoff. So that's kind of I think that
Speaker 6: you if you look at just the rushing numbers, I
Speaker 6: think that that's too myopic. You have to look at
Speaker 6: the running backs contributions holistically and as well as how
Speaker 6: is the line blocking and what situations are you in
Speaker 6: because you've been shooting yourself in the foot with penalties.
Speaker 3: Right with you know, Tyler Guyton, I know, Oh sorry,
Speaker 3: I don't want to cut you off. But with that,
Speaker 3: with the holding penalties, you know, that's what we talked about.
Speaker 3: You know, when you get all those penalties, that's going
Speaker 3: to cause a big, big problem.
Speaker 5: Is Tyler Geiton a concern for you guys moving forward?
Speaker 5: As in he's partially a reason for a lot of
Speaker 5: a chunk of these holding penalties.
Speaker 6: Hey, he's a rookie pain, that's part of it. That's
Speaker 6: part of it. He's also a very tall guy. So
Speaker 6: when you have guys coming around the edge with good
Speaker 6: bend and going low, you know, that's difficult for a
Speaker 6: guy who's so tight and trying to replace Hyaran Smith.
Speaker 3: That just doesn't happen a Hall of famer if you
Speaker 3: trill of famer potentially, right, it's hard to say with
Speaker 3: the rookie, you know. But they say he's still not
Speaker 3: has his balance sometimes correct. They say he's kind of
Speaker 3: his not using his hands and his feet like he should.
Speaker 3: There's so many things like fundamentals and details Christy what
Speaker 3: we always spoke about, So it's those details. But they
Speaker 3: said he's been giving him a lot of self scouting
Speaker 3: tapes for him to watch and to show, Okay, what
Speaker 3: is your opponent seeing what can I work on? And
Speaker 3: he said it's really really helped him. I'm sure you
Speaker 3: both know about that. I guess that's really for Tyler
Speaker 3: himself that it's helped him.
Speaker 6: I hope so, okay, but but also also his attitude
Speaker 6: being studious and get better. So all that being said,
Speaker 6: we are so glad to have a talent like that
Speaker 6: done with him.
Speaker 3: Yeah, this is just part of the process.
Speaker 5: And really it's honestly on the part of the process.
Speaker 5: With two starting rookie shots Alignment and Grant and Cooper's
Speaker 5: been playing very well, not surprising it all to me
Speaker 5: at all. But uh no, when you talk about Tyler Geiton,
Speaker 5: though he does have another test in t J.
Speaker 3: Watt.
Speaker 5: Possibly he could be matched. That could be a matchup
Speaker 5: that Terrence Steele could see more often on Sunday.
Speaker 6: But there is a bit of a break though because
Speaker 6: the guy who's opposite of t J. Watt, Alex high Smith.
Speaker 3: He's actually hurt though. Yeah, so he's not playing this.
Speaker 6: The previous game and Tomlin said today that they're moving
Speaker 6: ahead as if he's not going to be able to
Speaker 6: play this weekend as well. So you're getting a little
Speaker 6: bit of a break in that you got to J. Watt,
Speaker 6: but the booke nd going to be a backup there.
Speaker 5: First thoughts on this Steelers defensive line, Christy, Well.
Speaker 6: He's the he's elite. You know, the Cowboys are without
Speaker 6: Michael Parsons, who I mean, So I would say t J. Watt,
Speaker 6: Bosa and Micah are the three best pass rushers in
Speaker 6: the league. But I also think the thing about what
Speaker 6: is he's a catalytic player, and by that I mean
Speaker 6: just just making plays right, you know, whether it's tackles
Speaker 6: for loss or And by the way, I should mention
Speaker 6: Max Crosby the four or the four best players Max
Speaker 6: Crosby for the Raiders because I'd love to have him too,
Speaker 6: but anyway, and then Hayward Bean Cam Hayward NFL Man
Speaker 6: of the Year by the way, great.
Speaker 3: Guy, but oh my god, you would never doesn't even
Speaker 3: skip a beat.
Speaker 6: Yeah, so they this is a really great test for
Speaker 6: Cowboys offensive line that I don't shall we say has
Speaker 6: not hit their stride yet, has been hit with some
Speaker 6: penalties and is going to be tested with. As we
Speaker 6: said before, the two rookies in it and.
Speaker 3: Coach Tom I'm sorry, no, go ahead, go ahead. So
Speaker 3: Coach Tomin was talking about how the groin injury with
Speaker 3: Alex high Smith Christy, so he said that Demarvin Leo
Speaker 3: will be in place, and he said Leo or mindsen
Speaker 3: of a Lamar Woodley, which is good, you know, good comparison.
Speaker 3: Someone can do a lot. But he's a very versatile player,
Speaker 3: so he's obviously not high Smith, but there is someone
Speaker 3: still going to take his place that they can still
Speaker 3: do some damage.
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Speaker 5: Let's dive back into this matchup. What are some of
Speaker 5: the biggest concerns if you had to choose one for
Speaker 5: this Cowboys offense heading into Sunday.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I'd just like to see more consistent uh play
Speaker 6: on the offensive line and get the run game going better,
Speaker 6: more efficiently eliminating the penalties. I'd like to see Brandon
Speaker 6: Cooks a little more. Sorry, I know we're to choose
Speaker 6: one thing, but yeah, I just don't as we were
Speaker 6: saying in the first segment, we still haven't really seen
Speaker 6: this Cowboys offense yet operating on all cylinders, not even
Speaker 6: really close to it. So more efficiency and they and
Speaker 6: the other day it's not just converting on third downs,
Speaker 6: but once you get down into the red that was
Speaker 6: a that's been a weak point, was a point of
Speaker 6: emphasis coming out of or going into Yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't want to reiterate with Christmas. So it's
Speaker 3: basically the same, you know, being able to establish a
Speaker 3: run hopefully we I don't do hero ball, but having
Speaker 3: someone that really breaks out, you know, in the run game,
Speaker 3: and then be able to really open up that offense.
Speaker 3: That's what I'm hoping.
Speaker 5: Both of those things start with feel position. That's what
Speaker 5: I'm going with. I want to see better starting field position,
Speaker 5: so that starts obviously with Cavante Turpin or Janya Thomas,
Speaker 5: whoever the hell is back there returning, And because the
Speaker 5: Cowboys haven't had a good starting field position, they've been
Speaker 5: having to drive the full length of the field. And
Speaker 5: I mean, I feel like if there's better starting field position,
Speaker 5: we'll see a little bit of what this offense is
Speaker 5: really offense really is. But when you talk about this
Speaker 5: offensive line, Christy, it's not going to be easy just
Speaker 5: because t J. Watt is a half sack away from
Speaker 5: the NFL hundred sack club, So that's gonna be really
Speaker 5: interesting to watch. But what else do you feel like
Speaker 5: he does well aside from the sacks as being one
Speaker 5: of the NFL's Yeah.
Speaker 6: Just making those catalytic plays. And then they also, you know,
Speaker 6: they added Patrick Queen at linebacker, and we mentioned Cam
Speaker 6: Hayward and I mean he's you know, the people who
Speaker 6: really follow football, he's very well known, but even in
Speaker 6: Pittsburgh and with that kind of blue collar and defensive
Speaker 6: line kind of thing, even he's overshadowed by t J. Watt.
Speaker 6: And the other thing is, I'm so excited about going
Speaker 6: to Pittsburgh because we only get to go there once
Speaker 6: eight years and there is a rivalry, fantastic atmosphere. I mean,
Speaker 6: that is real football, it my opinion. You want real yeah,
Speaker 6: old school, real, great atmosphere. And I know it's not
Speaker 6: three Rivers Stadium anymore. Heck, they don't even call it
Speaker 6: Hinsfield anymore. But you know that, to me, that's like
Speaker 6: real football. And they still get those terrible towels going
Speaker 6: and stuff like that, and they.
Speaker 3: Know the game.
Speaker 6: They do.
Speaker 3: Those fans actually really know the game, and they get
Speaker 3: kind of hostile, you know, and they're they're drinking. You
Speaker 3: go back to Steel Curtain days and I don't know,
Speaker 3: I like there. I like it. I just like that
Speaker 3: football atmosphere. Yeah, it's going to be fun.
Speaker 6: And the other thing is we're going to get real
Speaker 6: lucky with the weather. It's going to be like in
Speaker 6: the seventies and it's going to be very mild, just
Speaker 6: as it was in kick Bark last week. But but
Speaker 6: it's a nine kickoff, so it might be more like
Speaker 6: in the upper sixties by the time we go. But
Speaker 6: hinz heinsfield a censure field that it's it's right on
Speaker 6: the lakes or three excuse me, not like that, the
Speaker 6: three rivers coming together. That's the old name of Three
Speaker 6: River Stadium, but.
Speaker 3: I always it was always stadium.
Speaker 6: But you would get like a wind is very difficult
Speaker 6: place to kick there. And in fact, for many years
Speaker 6: they didn't have like a field goal of over fifty yards,
Speaker 6: which was crazy because they've had some really great kickers
Speaker 6: there for the Steelers. The point of this whole thing
Speaker 6: is usually kicking can be affected, uh there in Pittsburgh.
Speaker 6: But I think that with these male temperatures, that that
Speaker 6: bodes well for the Cowboys when you have a Brandon
Speaker 6: Aubrey and you have such a solid kicking game with it.
Speaker 3: And the only reason he missed that kick is because
Speaker 3: I think, my personal opinion, I think that McCarthy should
Speaker 3: have called the time out because he didn't he didn't
Speaker 3: have his hips. He even said, my hips weren't placed.
Speaker 3: And so I'm not going to, you know, blame Aubrey
Speaker 3: on that. I don't know what y'all think, but that
Speaker 3: was I think he should have called time out, all right.
Speaker 5: Last time the Cowboys made the trip to Pittsburgh, they
Speaker 5: actually won that match.
Speaker 3: That was.
Speaker 6: Dak and ze Seek at the end with the long
Speaker 6: Oh my gosh, no, that was so Dak and Zeke
Speaker 6: that rookie year, because you remember going into the season,
Speaker 6: Romo was out and this rooky fourth round kick and
Speaker 6: Kellen Moore had been heard and DA's gone from a
Speaker 6: fourth string quarterback at the start of camp and oh man,
Speaker 6: it's going well, they're undefeated. But it was that game
Speaker 6: in Pittsburgh that was sort of the.
Speaker 3: Coming out pivotal.
Speaker 6: That was like the emphatic of I remember thinking, we
Speaker 6: really do have something here, we really do have something
Speaker 6: going here.
Speaker 3: So here we go. Maybe we do it again.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean, this is the number one team in
Speaker 5: the AFC North, the three and one. Granted I think
Speaker 5: they still should have beat the Colts on Sunday, but
Speaker 5: that's a whole differ.
Speaker 3: You know, another on the other side of the ball.
Speaker 3: You know, we're doing a lot about Cowboys offense, but
Speaker 3: defense Another matchup I'm kind of concerned by. Is Kaylen
Speaker 3: Carson George Pickens, if that ends up, that's that's I'm saying.
Speaker 3: If he does play, Yeah, and that's a concern.
Speaker 6: You know, with Trayvon, they tried to have him follow
Speaker 6: him the Elite Neighbors last week, and he did for
Speaker 6: a lot of it. But what they were doing with
Speaker 6: Neighbors was starting him inside in the slot and then
Speaker 6: motioning him out once Trayvon had committed to one side
Speaker 6: or the you know, to the deal. So I wonder
Speaker 6: it'll be interesting to see if maybe Trayvon travels again.
Speaker 5: I'm interested to see how this secondary performs. Just if
Speaker 5: Kayln Carson's a no go, and then you have. I mean, granted,
Speaker 5: Amani are Amani done?
Speaker 6: Well done?
Speaker 5: Amani are? Oh my goodness, I had it right? Whoa
Speaker 5: game ceiling interception? I mean, I honestly, I think you
Speaker 5: should get the start over Andrew Booth. I think that
Speaker 5: would be a good look for him. What do you think.
Speaker 6: Christy wouldn't be surprised?
Speaker 3: I think that if you?
Speaker 6: If you, yeah, I know what the that question will
Speaker 6: come up tomorrow morning and Mike McCarthy's press conference, and
Speaker 6: we'll probably get the coach speak of it's an open competition.
Speaker 6: But I don't know when you get mentioned at halftime
Speaker 6: like Booth did, I don't know how well that bode's
Speaker 6: going into the next week.
Speaker 5: Who's your X factor in this game?
Speaker 6: Oh man, I still got to study some more. I've
Speaker 6: only seen two of Pittsburgh's.
Speaker 5: Cowboys offense X factor Jake Ferguson.
Speaker 6: And here's why, because I'm going to go back to
Speaker 6: something like Tomlin said today. Remember what we said earlier
Speaker 6: when he said, if you've got red paint, you paint
Speaker 6: your barn red. So this was all in the opening
Speaker 6: statement for Mike Tomlin. So the reason I point that
Speaker 6: out is the question was not oh about Dallas and
Speaker 6: who concerned you? This is in his thing at the beginning,
Speaker 6: and he talks about DAK and CD, but then he says,
Speaker 6: let's see. Really have gained an appreciation for the development
Speaker 6: of Ferguson at tight end. I remember watching him up
Speaker 6: close at Mobile That's the singable at Mobile Alabama a
Speaker 6: couple of years ago when he came out and was
Speaker 6: really impressed with his skill set, had a chance to
Speaker 6: talk to his grandfather while I was watching practice, the
Speaker 6: great Barry Alvarez, and so I enjoyed that. But man,
Speaker 6: Ferguson's play is impressive and how he's evolved as a
Speaker 6: player is really impressive, and Dak's utilization of him within
Speaker 6: their offense is impressive. But they've got a lot of
Speaker 6: eligibles to manage. Man, you focus or get hyper focused
Speaker 6: on those two. Too much of a guy like Brandon
Speaker 6: Cooks can ruin your day, and so we better play
Speaker 6: a total game in terms of minimizing those guys. So
Speaker 6: it's just interesting that, Yeah, he mentioned Dack, he mentioned
Speaker 6: c D and spent more time talking about the tide end.
Speaker 3: Yeah, who's your X factor? Offensively, I'd love I mean
Speaker 3: Prescott to Lamb. I'd love to see that really open
Speaker 3: that up and be able to get that connection going
Speaker 3: and multiple touchdown. That's a you know, big, big take,
Speaker 3: but that's what I'd love to see because with the Steelers,
Speaker 3: I don't think they're going to be able to run
Speaker 3: the ball much. They do, they're really good at stopping
Speaker 3: the run. So and remember last week I talked about Mazie.
Speaker 3: I think he was going to be the one that
Speaker 3: the impact that he was the best four quarters I've
Speaker 3: seen him play it. I thought he played pretty well,
Speaker 3: you know, considering I thought he needed to be that
Speaker 3: And aren't you happy with the way he.
Speaker 6: Yeah, by far his best game and Pittsburgh did Yeah
Speaker 6: there last game they I mean, Nag's he's a great
Speaker 6: you know, he's very good running back. But man, they
Speaker 6: were struggling with their run as well. Now, but the
Speaker 6: thing is justin fields is one of these mobile quarterbacks
Speaker 6: running getting him out he can, so some of their
Speaker 6: rushing yards are you know, were done by the quarterback
Speaker 6: kind of like Deshaun Watson, and.
Speaker 3: He did everything. If you look at the stats with
Speaker 3: the Colts, I mean he's look at it, it's all
Speaker 3: justin fields.
Speaker 5: Yeah, there was something I saw a by Justin Fields
Speaker 5: though he's thrown fifty three point three percent of his
Speaker 5: passes outside of the numbers. No, that was not it.
Speaker 5: It was this one, this one, this one where it
Speaker 5: was it's about play action. Boom boom, boom boom. Hold on,
Speaker 5: where did it go? I had it, y'all?
Speaker 3: Sorry, I'll here we go.
Speaker 5: The Steerley's utilized play action at the second highest rate
Speaker 5: in the NFL season, that's thirty seven percent, yet have
Speaker 5: the second lowest yards per attempt on play action passes.
Speaker 6: Yeah, well, I think if they you know, the one
Speaker 6: thing you don't want to do is let them get
Speaker 6: their run game going, sure, because if they get that
Speaker 6: run game going, it makes the play action pass more effective.
Speaker 6: And so, like I said, Naji Harris that the one
Speaker 6: thing is they also have Corderyl Patterson, who has given
Speaker 6: the Cowboys fits in other years like whether especially when
Speaker 6: he was with Minnesota. Uh, he's questionable with an injury.
Speaker 6: He got dinged outright the last game, So not sure
Speaker 6: if he's going to be available. He you know, if
Speaker 6: he's able to practice tomorrow. Wouldn't be surprised if he's
Speaker 6: listed as limited. But he's one of these Swiss Army
Speaker 6: knife kind of guys who's an excellent return man, can
Speaker 6: catch the ball but run out of the backfield as well.
Speaker 6: So if he's not able to play, that's gonna hurt
Speaker 6: their run game and hurt their offense.
Speaker 5: And I know that for their offensive line, they have
Speaker 5: two guys they have they battle with injuries as well.
Speaker 5: To have two guys on their O line that have
Speaker 5: started all four games, of course due to injury. So
Speaker 5: I think this is an opportunity for this defensive line.
Speaker 5: Granted we're dealing with our injuries as well, but I
Speaker 5: think it's a good opportunity for you know, new pass
Speaker 5: rushers to emerge. Maybe Marshaw Neeland, I don't know, maybe
Speaker 5: a Chauncey Goldstin, I don't know.
Speaker 3: Let's throw that out. Their time to shine right now.
Speaker 5: Yeah, for sure, and Mozzie Smith to continue to keep
Speaker 5: it up he's doing.
Speaker 6: Yeah, there's a chance that they may be getting say
Speaker 6: Amalo back, one of their veteran guards. He had missed
Speaker 6: a couple of games. If they get him back, that's
Speaker 6: really gonna help because they've been going with some young
Speaker 6: backups at Gardenerate. Then they have the rookie center, and then,
Speaker 6: as we were talking about yesterday, their rookie first round
Speaker 6: pick tackle out for the year with a dislocated knee cap.
Speaker 6: So yeah, the as Cowboys Nation laments all the injuries
Speaker 6: to the Cowboys defensive line into the secondary. The Pittsburgh
Speaker 6: fans don't want to hear it because they've been hit
Speaker 6: hard in their offensive line.
Speaker 3: Real fast.
Speaker 5: Who was the biggest tests ahead of them on Sunday,
Speaker 5: Tyler Cowboy's offense.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, yeah, I think yeah, yeah, sorry Tyler, but.
Speaker 5: Ste because I truly feel like they're going to match
Speaker 5: up t J. Watt with steel Yeah, that's as well.
Speaker 5: So yeah, definitely gonna be a lot of fun to watch.
Speaker 5: We're going to be talking about the Cowboys defense Steelers
Speaker 5: offense on a win, so make sure to tune in
Speaker 5: with this.
Speaker 3: So we have Christy's going to talk about the helmet.
Speaker 6: Oh yeah, you know what, we can save it for
Speaker 6: Friday if you want, no.
Speaker 3: Because I'm not on Friday.
Speaker 6: Oh go ahead, go ahead, all right, I'll do a
Speaker 6: fast version. Okay. Fun fact, so the Pittsburgh Steelers are
Speaker 6: the only team that have a logo on just one
Speaker 6: side of their helmet, so to black helmet with the
Speaker 6: gold stripe down the middle, and then the Steeler's logo.
Speaker 6: It's just on one side.
Speaker 3: Well, what's up with that.
Speaker 6: Well, they used to have gold helmets, and they used
Speaker 6: to have the player's number on the helmet. But in
Speaker 6: nineteen sixty two, the owner's son, So Rooney's son Dan,
Speaker 6: went to the equipment manager with this new logo and
Speaker 6: asked him to put it on the right side of
Speaker 6: the helmet, which the equipment manager, Jack Hart, did, but
Speaker 6: he only put it on the right side. He wasn't
Speaker 6: sure whether to put whether the Rooney's wanted it on
Speaker 6: both sides or not, so they just did the one side. Well,
Speaker 6: the Steelers weren't really very good back then, okay, and
Speaker 6: they put it on just the one side and they
Speaker 6: won the game. Good luck, term had a good luck.
Speaker 6: So let's just leave it. Let's just leave it. Let's
Speaker 6: just leave it. Nineteen sixty two they actually made the playoffs,
Speaker 6: so they never they never bothered to put a second
Speaker 6: logo on the other side. So, whether you wanted to
Speaker 6: say superstition or not, but it's just that the owner's son,
Speaker 6: Dan Rooney, who you know, ended up being noted for
Speaker 6: so so long and later obviously Ambassador to Ireland and
Speaker 6: everything else, the great Rooney family. Yeah, it just wasn't
Speaker 6: clear to put it on one side or two sides,
Speaker 6: so that Jackhart just put it on one side and
Speaker 6: it stayed that way since nineteen.
Speaker 3: I liked this story just because when I was a
Speaker 3: little giry, Yes, my daddy, I'm like, why, why, what's
Speaker 3: going on? And he told me that story.
Speaker 5: Yeah, so.
Speaker 2: I did.
Speaker 6: Yeah, And then there's there's there's there's little there's little
Speaker 6: diamonds on the helmet there the little so it says Steelers.
Speaker 6: That used to just say steel and then after a
Speaker 6: couple of years they added Steeler the E R s.
Speaker 6: But so that those little like three diamond looking things,
Speaker 6: it's uh uh something the Steelers petition the American Iron
Speaker 6: and Steel Institute to use that logo, and so the
Speaker 6: colors have a certain meaning and it's the three colors
Speaker 6: represent what you used to make iron because steelers, steel
Speaker 6: workers ride all the steel mills in Pittsburgh. So there's
Speaker 6: they're good fans into the community, great great fan base.
Speaker 5: Some pretty cool things. But hopefully the cowboys, but we're
Speaker 5: still going to get the w They're going to get
Speaker 5: the w in handle business all right. We'll be back
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