Speaker 1: Welcome back to our classic episodes, Fellow conspiracy Realist. In
Speaker 1: twenty nineteen, we put our brain trust together and we
Speaker 1: asked ourselves what will humanity be like in one thousand years?
Speaker 2: And since it hasn't yet been a thousand years, this
Speaker 2: is still very much topical, one would argue.
Speaker 3: Yeah, And we're also joined with some very special guests here,
Speaker 3: friends of the show, John go Forth and Brent Hand
Speaker 3: who are hosts of Hysteria fifty one, or they I
Speaker 3: guess they were hosts of Hysteria fifty one at the time,
Speaker 3: but either way, friends of.
Speaker 2: The show, Brent the dead hand Hand as we like
Speaker 2: to call him.
Speaker 3: In John go Forth, Tally go Forth, Tally Hoe go Forth.
Speaker 2: Yeah, sure, well yeah, he does tend to move in
Speaker 2: a forward direction.
Speaker 1: So our question is in this episode, in this conversation,
Speaker 1: what would it be like if you met someone from
Speaker 1: the year three zero one to nine? How different would
Speaker 1: that human being be from the person you find yourself
Speaker 1: today in twenty twenty four. We still believe this is
Speaker 1: a worthwhile conversation and we look forward to your thoughts,
Speaker 1: So tune in and hit us up if anything has
Speaker 1: changed on this one conspiracydiheartradio dot com.
Speaker 2: What was what was a thousand years in the past?
Speaker 2: Can you guys do some cocktail math real quick?
Speaker 4: No, I don't know.
Speaker 3: I'm just getting ready for a project thirty twenty five,
Speaker 3: you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: There we go mandate for leadership. Also, to answer your question,
Speaker 1: it would have been as we're recording now, it would
Speaker 1: have been ten twenty four, which was a big year
Speaker 1: for humanity in several terrible ways. Yeah.
Speaker 2: What was hot in ten twenty four? Uh?
Speaker 1: Plagues, plagues, nobody was washing their hands. Mmmm, swords Just
Speaker 1: a couple of quick hits.
Speaker 2: Henry the second died in ten twenty four and Conrad
Speaker 2: the second, first of the Sallyan dynasty, was elected king
Speaker 2: only after some debating among dukes and nobles.
Speaker 1: And ten twenty four CE was a leap year. Put
Speaker 1: that in your pipe and smoke. It were fun at parties.
Speaker 1: Here's the episode from UFOs to Psychic Powers and government conspiracies.
Speaker 1: History is riddled with unexplained events. You can turn back
Speaker 1: now or learn this stuff they don't want you to know.
Speaker 4: Hello, welcome back to the show. My name is matt Our.
Speaker 1: Compatriot Nole is on adventures, but will return soon.
Speaker 5: They called me Ben.
Speaker 1: We are joined as always with our super producer Paul
Speaker 1: Mission controlled decad Most importantly, you are you. You are here,
Speaker 1: and that makes this stuff they don't want you to know. However,
Speaker 1: you are not alone, fellow conspiracy realist. We are exploring
Speaker 1: the idea of humanity in one thousand years with a
Speaker 1: ton of asterisks and a dollup of optimism. And we
Speaker 1: are not diving into this exploration on our lonesome. No,
Speaker 1: quite the opposite. We are joined by some friends of
Speaker 1: the show, some personal friends of ours, the host of
Speaker 1: our peer podcast, Hysteria fifty one. Check it out if
Speaker 1: you haven't yet.
Speaker 3: Everyone, please welcome John go Forth and Bent Hand.
Speaker 5: Gentlemen. Thank you very much.
Speaker 6: I guys, I told you I shouldn't bring Brent, but
Speaker 6: you still allowed it. I don't know.
Speaker 5: I begged and begged, and you know, just.
Speaker 6: Probably the worst decision was allowing conspiracy Bot here. We
Speaker 6: will try to keep him quiet.
Speaker 1: That's that's true. That's true. Conspiracy Bot. Also, thank you
Speaker 1: for coming.
Speaker 3: Did you notice that Scully seems to really be getting
Speaker 3: along with conspiracy Bot.
Speaker 5: Yeah, it's weird.
Speaker 4: I know.
Speaker 1: This is an audio podcast. Maybe if they do something
Speaker 1: that's remotely work appropriate, we'll take a picture and host it.
Speaker 6: But right now, yeah, we can't show it right now.
Speaker 5: We're just it was a bear getting the TSA, so
Speaker 5: he needs to enjoy himself. This last time we're traveling
Speaker 5: with them.
Speaker 1: Smells like circuits burning, and it's so guys, Like most people,
Speaker 1: we spend a great deal of our time here in
Speaker 1: the present twenty nineteen.
Speaker 5: As we record this, everyone I know spends their time
Speaker 5: in twenty nineteen.
Speaker 1: Yes, yeah, we spend a lot of this time thinking
Speaker 1: about what might or might not happen in the future.
Speaker 1: And most of the time when we're using these great
Speaker 1: predictive computers that we refer to as our brains, we're
Speaker 1: using this this imaginative capacity to think of what we
Speaker 1: could call small events, not in a diminutive way, just
Speaker 1: like things that don't really rock the friggin' timeline.
Speaker 3: You know what where if it's on your calendar?
Speaker 2: Right?
Speaker 1: Stuff on account? Where am I going to go for lunch?
Speaker 1: What are my list of errands? You know? How can
Speaker 1: I get out of that conference? Call those kind of things?
Speaker 6: When will our son supernova? I've got that on my calendar.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, exactly exactly because we oh yeah, we have
Speaker 1: money on that, right, Yes, so we also have a
Speaker 1: tendency and we could even call it a compulsion to
Speaker 1: wonder about those large events. Let's define it, very loosely,
Speaker 1: arbitrarily as any event that involves a group of people
Speaker 1: large enough such that members of the same group may
Speaker 1: not know each other and may never meet. So this
Speaker 1: is interesting because for both Hysarian fifty one and stuff
Speaker 1: they want, you know, really for any podcast that's that's
Speaker 1: a large scale event because a lot of us listening
Speaker 1: now are probably not going to meet each.
Speaker 4: Other, right WHOA I never thought about it like that.
Speaker 1: The universe is a cold, lonely place. So you know,
Speaker 1: we've got examples of these, like what's a what's a
Speaker 1: large event?
Speaker 4: Oh, sure, like a huge election.
Speaker 3: Let's say a primary election or a presidential election. The
Speaker 3: people who are actually voting probably aren't going to meet
Speaker 3: each other. You're definitely not going to meet everybody who's
Speaker 3: voting in that election.
Speaker 6: Nine to eleven. Yes, there you go from impact from
Speaker 6: not being there even to the people who were there.
Speaker 6: I mean, there were so many people impacted that weren't
Speaker 6: just in those buildings and surrounding communities and such and
Speaker 6: family members. Not all of them all met.
Speaker 1: And that's an excellent example because that's a single event
Speaker 1: rather than something like a war that goes on for years.
Speaker 3: Well, and it's a So that's a large event, and
Speaker 3: it's all it's also a long term event, right.
Speaker 5: Yeah, we're still reeling and the effects are felt.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 1: And that's because in addition to defining something as a
Speaker 1: small or large event, we can also imagine them the
Speaker 1: way you said, Matt, short or long term. So this
Speaker 1: so nine to eleven clearly a long term event, but
Speaker 1: a short term, large scale event would be a celebration
Speaker 1: in your city, like the Bulls win in Chicago, because
Speaker 1: you guys, you guys live in the Windy City. And
Speaker 1: when the Bulls win in Chicago, what do people go nuts?
Speaker 4: Excuse me?
Speaker 6: We call it the lower fourth. Well we haven't seen
Speaker 6: that for so long, I'm not sure how. But when
Speaker 6: the Hawks won the Cup, yes, when the.
Speaker 5: Comes one, seven million people I think showed up one
Speaker 5: of the largest human gatherings in history here.
Speaker 2: Wow.
Speaker 1: Yeah. So a long term, small scale event then would
Speaker 1: be something we're like, all right, I got this kid, now,
Speaker 1: I got to send them to college. At some point,
Speaker 1: I better start putting away the scratch, right, And this
Speaker 1: can take longer, but it's not really It might not
Speaker 1: alter a timeline. Today's episode is about a long term,
Speaker 1: large scale event. One of the biggest questions we ever
Speaker 1: deal with. What's gonna happen to us?
Speaker 5: You know, the collective us? Yeah, collective us? What are we?
Speaker 5: Where are we going?
Speaker 1: Not what's going to happen today or tomorrow, but a
Speaker 1: thousand years from now? And off air this is this
Speaker 1: is an idea that we were talking about that we
Speaker 1: had originally. I don't know if we mentioned this on
Speaker 1: Hysteria fifty one. We had originally when we were talking
Speaker 1: with each other, we're like, all right, yeah, yeah, one
Speaker 1: of us will do an episode on humanity in a
Speaker 1: thousand years, and then the other and then we'll do
Speaker 1: a companion episode about humanity in ten thousand years. And
Speaker 1: we started looking into the research and we were, you know, Paul,
Speaker 1: you're gonna have to bleep me on this, but we
Speaker 1: were like, holy, ten thousand years.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean, you could just say whatever you want.
Speaker 5: Maybe you know.
Speaker 6: We're all jellyfish, yeah I know.
Speaker 1: And even with so we just did an excellent episode.
Speaker 1: Well I really enjoyed it. I thought you guys did.
Speaker 4: I was good.
Speaker 5: Yeah, and you too.
Speaker 1: Conspiracy and we did an episode on the future of
Speaker 1: humanity in one hundred years, and what you guys should
Speaker 1: us was that there's quite a lot of stuff down
Speaker 1: the pike that not only is possible, but is in
Speaker 1: a very real sense inevitable.
Speaker 5: Right, And that's the big I think that's the big
Speaker 5: defining difference of you know, when we look at these things,
Speaker 5: is what are we controlling and what is just going
Speaker 5: to happen? That's you know, this inevitability that is just
Speaker 5: we're careening towards these events.
Speaker 6: A lot of times, I think, especially with technology, it
Speaker 6: really is the pebble that starts the avalanche. But once
Speaker 6: it started, you're not stopping it. Yeah, Like the progression
Speaker 6: of our processing power isn't going to even though we're
Speaker 6: not following More's law, still it is not going to stop.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a train with no breaks, right. Yeah. This
Speaker 1: is this is the part of the show where we
Speaker 1: want to want to let you know that if you
Speaker 1: haven't checked out Hysteria fifty one, please do it. In
Speaker 1: this episode, we're going to be exploring some things that
Speaker 1: dovetail with the previous episode. So if you want to
Speaker 1: get the the full cinema for your ears experience, stop now.
Speaker 1: We'll wait check out our earlier episode.
Speaker 6: And for you comic book fans, we're referring to this
Speaker 6: as a crossover.
Speaker 1: Events, a shared universe.
Speaker 6: Yes, I'm Batman.
Speaker 1: Oh all right, I respect that. I respect that. How
Speaker 1: far are we crossing over? Can I go Marvel?
Speaker 5: Yeah? Yeah, there you go.
Speaker 6: Just stay away from image and we'll be fine.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, their creator owned.
Speaker 5: Uh, it's true. So all right, let's get to it.
Speaker 3: Sure, So let's talk about where we humans. Everybody in
Speaker 3: this room, everyone listening is going to end up in
Speaker 3: one thousand years, ten generations ostensibly from now.
Speaker 1: Well to understand that, Matt, don't we have to go
Speaker 1: back to Would it be helpful for us to go
Speaker 1: back to one thousand years before now?
Speaker 4: I guess?
Speaker 1: Okay, cool, Thanks for saying that, because otherwise.
Speaker 3: All right, that's that's really the only thing we can
Speaker 3: do to have an understanding. Right, Well, let's see how
Speaker 3: far we've come in a thousand years and then extrapolate
Speaker 3: from there.
Speaker 1: And Brett earlier in our previous episode. You you mentioned
Speaker 1: the phantom time hypothesis, so you're when we're playing a
Speaker 1: little bit with history, please write in by the way
Speaker 1: to hysterianation and us and let us know what your
Speaker 1: take is. What actually happened in ten nineteen, right?
Speaker 5: What year isn't really? Year is really?
Speaker 1: Yeah, and you can use the juw Ja calendar if
Speaker 1: you want as well. But okay, so here's the here's
Speaker 1: the good news. For a lot of people. In broad
Speaker 1: evolutionary terms, just basic biology, one thousand years is not
Speaker 1: a drop in the bucket. It's not it's not an
Speaker 1: it's not an iota of spit. It's not a snap.
Speaker 6: So you're saying it's not enough time to develop gills
Speaker 6: Kevin Costner style.
Speaker 1: The only flaw in one water War, the only one.
Speaker 5: It's been worked out behind his ears.
Speaker 1: And for some reason people hated that. They were like,
Speaker 1: that's so convenient, it was so great.
Speaker 4: You jerk totally forgot about that.
Speaker 6: I got an idea, guys, mad Max on a water world.
Speaker 1: Now only if we get the guy from Field of Dream.
Speaker 1: That's really the glue. But yeah, this means what does
Speaker 1: this mean? Like, like, what happens if we meet someone
Speaker 1: putting aside all the interesting problems with time travel, we
Speaker 1: just don't think about it too.
Speaker 5: Too intents and purposes. If you met someone besides you know,
Speaker 5: maybe some some language barriers and in the way they're dressed,
Speaker 5: you wouldn't really know the difference because in the last
Speaker 5: thousand years we haven't changed that much.
Speaker 6: I mean, you kill them, like, don't use don't give
Speaker 6: them a blanket.
Speaker 5: It'll probably twenty five years old and look seventy. You know,
Speaker 5: it'd be a.
Speaker 1: North Centinal Island situation. Possibly, but but yeah, you're you're
Speaker 1: absolutely right, you've nailed it in one. We would still
Speaker 1: eat the same food, we still need the same range
Speaker 1: of environmental conditions, and if there's a little bit of
Speaker 1: romance in the air, you can reproduce.
Speaker 6: There's actually a documentary that explores this. I think the
Speaker 6: other member was a little a little older than just
Speaker 6: a thousand years old, but explores how they might operate
Speaker 6: in modern society. It's called Encino Man.
Speaker 4: Oh god, I.
Speaker 1: Felt, I've got to learn that every time you reference
Speaker 1: a documentary, it's not so it's interesting. There have been
Speaker 1: some discernible changes. People like doctor Alan Kwan, who works
Speaker 1: with computational genomics. He he has some very specific ones.
Speaker 1: One of them is kind of weird, right, did you
Speaker 1: you saw this?
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, the concept of our foreheads changing.
Speaker 5: They call it the Manning syndrome. Yeah, Peyton Manning.
Speaker 4: You guys are just brutal.
Speaker 1: Remember that old insult when people call someone the forehead?
Speaker 1: More like five heads? Pretty soon if this trend is correct,
Speaker 1: a thousand years from now, and people will be making
Speaker 1: fun of three heads if you're if your foreheads too small?
Speaker 6: Too small?
Speaker 3: Right?
Speaker 4: Right?
Speaker 1: So we also seem to have a trend of growing
Speaker 1: taller as a species, but a lot of that is dicey.
Speaker 1: Can we can we call that straight up evolution?
Speaker 6: Or is that just our ability to feed ourselves better
Speaker 6: and breed with Scandinavians?
Speaker 1: And yeah, there a tall bunch. There are a tall bunch.
Speaker 1: Like how now we have this, we have this conspiracy
Speaker 1: that they are Scandinavians, scandidate.
Speaker 3: But the biggest difference between that human and you really
Speaker 3: would be things that are a little different. There's societal things, right,
Speaker 3: medical care, like advances in technology that have allowed for communication,
Speaker 3: Like you said, language barriers are going to be different.
Speaker 3: Even just over all the beliefs and values of that
Speaker 3: person are going to be vastly different. Sure, but I
Speaker 3: mean that's really it.
Speaker 1: It doesn't Yeah, it doesn't mean that they have lower
Speaker 1: or higher cognitive ability, right, It just means that their
Speaker 1: priorities will also widely different.
Speaker 5: You're very much you know, you're product of your environment
Speaker 5: you're surrounding, and so that's going to play heavily into that.
Speaker 6: You might show them a car and they think it's magic,
Speaker 6: but that's you're You're so right about it not being
Speaker 6: their cognitive ability. It's why we we we did an
Speaker 6: episode not that long ago on go Beckley Tepi and
Speaker 6: and and the or the Pyramids or whatever, and there's
Speaker 6: all of these anthropologists to say, well, how did they
Speaker 6: do this? How could they possibly figure this out? Well,
Speaker 6: because they had the same sized brains that we do,
Speaker 6: that's how they did. I mean, a lot of elbow grease,
Speaker 6: maybe a few decades to figure it out, and you
Speaker 6: can build stuff.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, exactly. And that's why you know, there's a
Speaker 1: valid criticism of a lot of ancient alien theories where
Speaker 1: it's like, okay, so what's more likely? Is it more
Speaker 1: likely that someone came all the way to Earth and
Speaker 1: built a vague geometric shape and then left and didn't
Speaker 1: you know, they don't want you to know why. Or
Speaker 1: is it likely that people were always relatively on the
Speaker 1: same cognitive scale. Yes, yes, so this would appear to
Speaker 1: be good news at first blush because this means that
Speaker 1: for the past thousand years, the biggest changes to our
Speaker 1: species have been cultural and technological. Right, even the clear
Speaker 1: and excellent example of the diseases that we carry and
Speaker 1: are immune to, that is a technological improvement. We didn't
Speaker 1: just biologically figure that out. And our population is skyrocketed.
Speaker 1: If we were a product at your local grocery store, what,
Speaker 1: what's the popular grocery store.
Speaker 5: In Chicago, Marianos and Jewel Yeah, okay, Kroger Baby is
Speaker 5: owned by Kroger.
Speaker 1: Fingers on the hand, I see, well, if we were
Speaker 1: a product in Mariano's, we'd still have the same ingredients,
Speaker 1: the same great taste, the same oddly fragile packaging. It's
Speaker 1: just easier to find us in more places. And we
Speaker 1: have a great example. We've pulled this up before.
Speaker 3: Oh, the world population at this moment right now, Yes,
Speaker 3: we're recording this. Yes, seven billion, six hundred and eighty
Speaker 3: eight million, five hundred and thirty four thousand, four hundred
Speaker 3: and twenty nine.
Speaker 5: Yeah, and that's spinning really fat.
Speaker 4: It's going really fast.
Speaker 5: I mean yeah, when you look at that clock, it's
Speaker 5: a staggering thing to see. That's how fast people are
Speaker 5: coming into this world.
Speaker 1: And we always it's always tempting when we bring that
Speaker 1: up in an episode. It's always tempting to check it
Speaker 1: again at the end and see how.
Speaker 5: Many people are sixty billion? What the hell?
Speaker 6: So, Yeah, the premise that most of us go with
Speaker 6: when we're you know, doing engaging in futurism is that
Speaker 6: where will we put all these people?
Speaker 4: Yeah, there is some.
Speaker 6: There's some new studies out that are looking at larger societies,
Speaker 6: maybe not the globe as a whole, and saying, actually,
Speaker 6: we are not currently running at replacement rate. So although
Speaker 6: it's kind of like the fact that we are, population
Speaker 6: is still growing is a function of things that happened
Speaker 6: fifty years ago, because those people are still alive and
Speaker 6: they overpopulated then, and that if if you look a
Speaker 6: few generations in the future, you can actually start to
Speaker 6: see evening out of because this number keeps growing, evening
Speaker 6: out or even decline. So there's not a consensus in
Speaker 6: the scientific community that overpopulation is going to continue to
Speaker 6: exponentially explode the way we kind of all been fed by.
Speaker 1: Like enthusie and reasoning and stuff.
Speaker 6: Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 3: You don't want to go Osamandias on it and just
Speaker 3: wipe out most everybody.
Speaker 6: Yeah right, snappy fingers.
Speaker 1: You know, I'll tell you the thing that made that
Speaker 1: guy Thanos a real villain and the biggest plot hole
Speaker 1: in that film spoiler is he could have just made
Speaker 1: the universe twice as big, or just.
Speaker 5: Doubled all snap it and you make it twice as big,
Speaker 5: you double all of the whatever you need, all the resources.
Speaker 1: I think he was just being super emo, to be
Speaker 1: completely honest, But his cosmic billy corgan this aside. We
Speaker 1: can say right now, in twenty nineteen.
Speaker 6: You also opened a T shop also shop.
Speaker 1: We as a species are making some huge waves of
Speaker 1: multiple fronts, and Matt and I were trying to figure
Speaker 1: out the best way to frame this, and what we
Speaker 1: came up with was the good, the bad, and the ugly.
Speaker 4: Right, So there you go.
Speaker 5: I can't do it.
Speaker 1: That's great, Anio Morricone, Right, good things, we get good things.
Speaker 1: When it comes to technology, we're the best in the
Speaker 1: biz because we're the only ones we really know, you know,
Speaker 1: like some higher order mammals can make tools, corvids can
Speaker 1: use sticks or whatever. But as far as we know,
Speaker 1: no non human entity has built a computer yet.
Speaker 6: Right, Yes, But I mean I'm giving it a fifty
Speaker 6: to fifty on dolphins, but we haven't found them yet.
Speaker 1: Right, right, And it's probably built to do something that
Speaker 1: only dolphins.
Speaker 5: Yeah, we wouldn't understand that.
Speaker 6: When you get it, it's for dolphin kisses.
Speaker 1: Right, so some of us listen. Now, we remember a
Speaker 1: world before smartphones. We talked about this in our episode
Speaker 1: about humanity a century from now. We remember times before
Speaker 1: the internet, a world of landlines and paper maps. Somebody
Speaker 1: would tell tell you where to go at a certain time,
Speaker 1: and you would have to remember it yourself. And we
Speaker 1: are also learning more about our own bodies. Genetic research
Speaker 1: is definitely going to help us eradicate some genetic diseases,
Speaker 1: as well as eventually allowing us to tweak some specific
Speaker 1: traits for practical purposes and cosmetic ones. You know what
Speaker 1: I mean. You want you want kids with purple eyes?
Speaker 6: Yeah, one of the you mentioned on the technology side.
Speaker 6: You know, we talk about AI and we've we've all
Speaker 6: done episodes on AI. It's probably not worth diving deep into,
Speaker 6: but it is worth talking about that. We need to
Speaker 6: be careful as it relates to, you know, creating nanobots
Speaker 6: and things of that nature. I recently read are you
Speaker 6: guys familiar with Nick Bostrom, Swedish philosopher. He's got some
Speaker 6: really cool and interesting stuff on future And I read
Speaker 6: this thing about the h They call it the paper
Speaker 6: clip Maximizer, and it's basically a thought experiment, that's all
Speaker 6: it is. But it's the idea that the most mundane
Speaker 6: thing that you could tell an artificial intelligence to do
Speaker 6: could turn out really poorly. So here's a quote from him.
Speaker 6: Suppose we have an AI whose only goal is to
Speaker 6: make as many paper clips as possible. The AI will
Speaker 6: quickly realize that it would be much better if there
Speaker 6: were no humans, because humans might decide to switch it off,
Speaker 6: and their ultimate goal is to make as many paper
Speaker 6: clips as possible.
Speaker 5: Okay because cheer.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And this is generalized AI, so it can think
Speaker 1: big pictures correct.
Speaker 6: Also, human bodies contain a lot of atoms that could
Speaker 6: be made into paper clips, reformat and turned into paper clips.
Speaker 6: The future that that AI would be trying to gear
Speaker 6: towards would be one in which they were a lot
Speaker 6: of paper clips, but not a lot of humans. And
Speaker 6: if you like from a if you hadn't programmed that
Speaker 6: robot to value human life or to understand empathy, we're
Speaker 6: talking like that could be a problem.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that leads us straight into the bad. Yes, that's
Speaker 1: an excellent example. Many of the self same technological innovations
Speaker 1: that are looming on our species horizons will probably create
Speaker 1: new problems as readily as they solve existing ones. Like John,
Speaker 1: your example with the paper clip maximizer, aside from being
Speaker 1: frankly terrifying, is spot on because we don't know what
Speaker 1: this stuff will be like once we actually created. To
Speaker 1: our common knowledge, there is no functioning generalized machine consciousness
Speaker 1: generalized AI.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 1: There's stuff like no offense conspiracy bought, but there's there's
Speaker 1: stuff that can do specific tax as.
Speaker 6: We haven't reached the singularity, right.
Speaker 5: Right, And that's why it's such a broad term, because
Speaker 5: we don't It's that we don't know, and that's why
Speaker 5: it's so scary for people, and it's so inspiring for people.
Speaker 5: And everyone's seen terminator, you know, and so that's always
Speaker 5: looming in the back of your mind because that that is,
Speaker 5: I guess a possibility.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and that's a good metaphor. But it looks like
Speaker 1: we have we may well have a terminator situation. It
Speaker 1: just won't look human, it'll be gray goo.
Speaker 4: Yes, So this is the thing I wanted to bring up.
Speaker 3: The paper clip problem gets exponentially scarier if it's not
Speaker 3: making paper clips, if it's replicating, if it's just making
Speaker 3: more of itself, right, oh yeah, and if it's on
Speaker 3: a nanoscale technology that's just self replicated replicating.
Speaker 4: That means that the.
Speaker 3: Gray goo that is inside of our heads that can
Speaker 3: come up with making a nano bot and then getting
Speaker 3: that nanobot to have artificial technology to continue to replicate,
Speaker 3: then creates this thing that occurs out in the physical
Speaker 3: world that is a gray gu that is just an
Speaker 3: entire planet covered in nanobots that have self replicated to
Speaker 3: the point where that's all that's left.
Speaker 6: It's all is there.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, exactly. And if we survive all of this,
Speaker 1: then the other bad news concerns our bodies and the
Speaker 1: environment in which they live. Genetic research loves it. I
Speaker 1: think we shouted out Gataga earlier. It's a fantastic film.
Speaker 1: Watch it again if you've already seen it. Like most
Speaker 1: advanced technologies, especially in their earlier days, this is going
Speaker 1: to be controlled by wealthy institutions at first because of
Speaker 1: the way that society functions right now, and so before
Speaker 1: it bleeds into the genes of a general population, before
Speaker 1: like the descendant of Jeff Bezos scandalizes his or her
Speaker 1: family and sleeps with a peasant, this stuff would result
Speaker 1: in in something and it's most extreme that we would
Speaker 1: call man made speciation. But then there's the chance we
Speaker 1: talked about this for the tin Cream with traits and
Speaker 1: one part of the geni code could have unintended disastrous consequences.
Speaker 1: For fiction. A good example of this would be the
Speaker 1: Eloy and the Morlocks from the Time Machine.
Speaker 5: Right, you know, did we have the best of intentions
Speaker 5: and all of a sudden, now we're moment underneath the
Speaker 5: ground because we can't be on the sunlight just because
Speaker 5: Crisper ran.
Speaker 6: That's right, there's a ticking time bomb inside of every cell.
Speaker 6: Very A lot of geneticists are like, well, the key
Speaker 6: to immortality could be turning off that time bomb. One
Speaker 6: of the challenges or scary parts of that is there's
Speaker 6: one type of cell today that does not have that
Speaker 6: time bomb in it. It's a cancer cell.
Speaker 4: Ah.
Speaker 6: Yes, and so you changed the makeup of a cell
Speaker 6: a little too much, you become a big tumor all.
Speaker 1: Of a sudden, right, right, and technically speaking, very technically speaking,
Speaker 1: there is one immortal individual Henrietta lacks at least her cancer, right.
Speaker 3: You guys love us no, no, no, Well, listen to
Speaker 3: our episode on do we do an episode or.
Speaker 1: Just a we did an episode on immortality? Got it
Speaker 1: in the various terribly problematic ways.
Speaker 4: It's achieve it.
Speaker 3: It's this crazy messed up thing where this one woman's
Speaker 3: cancer cells were taken as uh samples to be tested
Speaker 3: right for testing, and then all of the like all
Speaker 3: of the other samples that were that existed in this
Speaker 3: one building ended up having Henrietta LAX's cancer cells in
Speaker 3: those samples. And then they started realizing, wait a second,
Speaker 3: somehow these samples, because they were being shipped across the
Speaker 3: planet to be studied, uh, they ended up in all
Speaker 3: the cancer cells, or at least the vast majority of them.
Speaker 1: And they they continue to reproduce.
Speaker 5: Yes, yes, wow.
Speaker 1: So technically immortal, but not the kind of immortality you probably.
Speaker 3: Yeah remember for But it goes back to our whole
Speaker 3: humanity as a virus thing spreading across the cosmos from
Speaker 3: our last episode.
Speaker 5: Isn't that what you want to do? It's you want
Speaker 5: to reproduce and you want to live. You know that
Speaker 5: you're bringing it down to its basis terms. But I
Speaker 5: mean that's the idea. And guess what I was. I
Speaker 5: needed to leave this body. I need to leave this planet,
Speaker 5: you know. And they say we're going to have to
Speaker 5: be an interplanetary species. Well guess what virus is spread.
Speaker 1: We get angry when it's cancer, but we're one hundred
Speaker 1: percent on board if it's us, right, right, right. So
Speaker 1: the last thing is the climate. Yes, the climate. You've
Speaker 1: heard it before. It is the tragedy of commons writ large.
Speaker 1: Unless we all at the same time make some massive changes,
Speaker 1: the climate seems set to inevitably change in some drastic
Speaker 1: ways ocean acidification, temperature changes, deforestation, and so on.
Speaker 6: I have one question. Yes, you guys are familiar with
Speaker 6: the Kardashiev scale. Yes, we are currently a point seven
Speaker 6: on the Kardashiv scale.
Speaker 5: Seven two three. Come on now, no coteam.
Speaker 6: They say that a level one civilization can control all
Speaker 6: of the energy on their planet, and as a function
Speaker 6: that they can control all of the weather. Everything pretty
Speaker 6: much is happening in their neck of the woods. If
Speaker 6: we achieve level one in the next thousand years, don't
Speaker 6: we also achieve the ability to go, oh well, we
Speaker 6: can just do whatever we need to do the atmosphere
Speaker 6: and make sure that doesn't happen.
Speaker 1: Yes, the problem is getting to that thousand year mark.
Speaker 6: From here to level one.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that is, don't let.
Speaker 5: Anything that we've already done to ourselves erase before we
Speaker 5: can get that.
Speaker 4: Quit's fair.
Speaker 3: If if life has existed on other planets and emerged
Speaker 3: from a goo from a you know, a chemical reaction
Speaker 3: that occurred because there just happened to be the right
Speaker 3: molecules on that planet, don't you think they do they
Speaker 3: go through a very similar process of figuring out.
Speaker 5: Scis Yeah, that like life is probably very similar. Of
Speaker 5: that's the grand equalizers. If they're smart enough to save themselves,
Speaker 5: because they all probably come up to this part. Stay
Speaker 5: we're at now, we're very close to the tipping point
Speaker 5: we were talking about, you know, a singularity. We're almost
Speaker 5: to that point now where we need to decide that
Speaker 5: we want to better ourselves or are do we want
Speaker 5: to wipe ourselves out?
Speaker 6: I think that's assuming that they're like normal ish whatever
Speaker 6: we consider that, like carbon based life forms. Yeah sure,
Speaker 6: you know, there's also people that speculate that on gas giants,
Speaker 6: sentient life could develop in a way that we don't
Speaker 6: even understand.
Speaker 3: Yeah, no, I guess what I just what I mean
Speaker 3: is the fuel, the available fuel that exists on whatever
Speaker 3: planetary body the life emerges from, ends up being used
Speaker 3: up to an extent or altered to an extent, no
Speaker 3: matter what it is.
Speaker 5: That for us in a thousand years from now, if
Speaker 5: we're going to be able to do the things that
Speaker 5: we needed to save our planet from extinction of whatever
Speaker 5: might happen. To be able to explore the cosmos, we're
Speaker 5: gonna need energy and things like that that come from
Speaker 5: far more exotic places, black holes, other dimensions. These are
Speaker 5: the things that they say that we're going to be
Speaker 5: playing with if we are you know, to be a
Speaker 5: you know, a level two or something like that. So
Speaker 5: climate in and of itself is nothing.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and yet it's everything.
Speaker 5: Climate exactly.
Speaker 1: Climate is the the VHS that we have to use
Speaker 1: your earlier tample mat the VHS. We have to keep
Speaker 1: them working order until we can afford LG. So the
Speaker 1: last thing we mentioned the good. We talked about the bad,
Speaker 1: the big bads. Now we have to talk about the ugly.
Speaker 1: Just briefly, there's one ugly thing you should keep in
Speaker 1: your mind, folks, as as we listen along. The number
Speaker 1: one ugly thing, the frightening, horrifying anti ganesh like elephant
Speaker 1: in our species collective room is put simply this, there
Speaker 1: is a very high chance that we will not make
Speaker 1: it to the one thousand year mark. We were safe.
Speaker 1: In our earlier episode we said, you know, we're assuming
Speaker 1: that nothing terrible happens to the one hundred year mark.
Speaker 1: Now we're doing that ten times.
Speaker 5: Yeah, you know, and.
Speaker 1: In Stephen hawkins estimation, we absolutely are not gonna make
Speaker 1: it unless.
Speaker 5: We get off of Earth. Right.
Speaker 1: Stephen Hawkins not necessarily are curmudgeon, but calls him like
Speaker 1: you sees him. He has some statements that are pretty
Speaker 1: much along the lines of screw humans.
Speaker 5: Unless they get off Earth. Screw Earth. We need to
Speaker 5: leave it.
Speaker 1: You know, no disrespect, but it's working out. Aliens are
Speaker 1: real and screw them to So we're gonna get ai
Speaker 1: and you know what, screw that. That's I mean, I'm
Speaker 1: paraphrasing a little.
Speaker 4: Yeah. Yeah, we learned about a lot of that stuff.
Speaker 3: Did you have you, guys ever spoken with Josh Clark,
Speaker 3: who did End of the World from stuff?
Speaker 4: You should know?
Speaker 6: No, we we really want to. We're gonna have him
Speaker 6: on to talk the Fermi Paradox.
Speaker 4: Yea, oh that's great.
Speaker 1: Oh, that's gonna be great.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 1: So he has a podcast that explores.
Speaker 5: All the chuckles that are that are facing us.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, it's a cavalcade of comedy. Yeah, but we
Speaker 1: recommend that. And with all this in mind, we have
Speaker 1: to understand that everything we are about to contemplate about
Speaker 1: human civilization one thousand years from now is inherently optimistic,
Speaker 1: if only because we are assuming that somewhere, somehow, something
Speaker 1: like humanity is still is still partying on in threeenty nineteen.
Speaker 1: What are we talking about. We'll tell you after a
Speaker 1: word from our sponsor.
Speaker 5: Here's where it gets crazy.
Speaker 1: Humanity one thousand years from now. Welcome to thirty nineteen.
Speaker 1: If you're listening to this, then hypothetically you have survived
Speaker 1: and out of all the weird trials and travails that
Speaker 1: you have encountered in thirty nineteen, you have decided to
Speaker 1: take a break and listen to a podcast, and you've
Speaker 1: chose this one. Yeah, thank you.
Speaker 3: Good job doing some ancient recovery of either technology or
Speaker 3: I don't know.
Speaker 5: This is part of an archaeological dig.
Speaker 6: This show is actually included in the tests ract.
Speaker 5: I'm sure it's going to go into the Smithsonian at
Speaker 5: one point in time or another, so you know it's true. Yeah,
Speaker 5: good lord.
Speaker 1: It would be like the regional version, you know, like
Speaker 1: how their Ted X talks right Smithsonian X. So let's
Speaker 1: let's see we left off one thousand years ago. We
Speaker 1: left off with the fact that there are inevitable things
Speaker 1: that will happen in the climate as we knew it
Speaker 1: from twenty nineteen, right, So a thousand years later, a
Speaker 1: lot of water under the bridge, you know.
Speaker 4: A lot of water over there, over the over the bag.
Speaker 1: So he did there, Matt, can you tell us a
Speaker 1: little bit about what's happened with the climate?
Speaker 3: Well, odds are humanity continued despite our best intentions, we
Speaker 3: continue to use carbon fuels, carbon based fuels and other
Speaker 3: things that put CO two emissions out into the atmosphere. Right,
Speaker 3: because as of twenty nineteen, CO two emissions are at
Speaker 3: an average of three hundred and eighty five parts per million.
Speaker 3: Sounds really low, right per million?
Speaker 4: Yeah, it sounds really low. But here's the deal.
Speaker 3: That's increasing and if that gets up just a little
Speaker 3: bit higher to say four hundred and fifty, maybe all
Speaker 3: the way up to six hundred parts per million, and
Speaker 3: that could be really bad because if it reaches that
Speaker 3: level of as an average, and then if in some
Speaker 3: way all CO two emissions just stop debt, no more
Speaker 3: carbon dioxide is added to the atmosphere.
Speaker 4: This is what would happen.
Speaker 3: There would be persistent decreases in dry season rainfall that
Speaker 3: are that are and would be comparable to the nineteen
Speaker 3: thirties depression era, like the dust bowl that we've all
Speaker 3: heard of, that would just exist that there would be
Speaker 3: in zones of.
Speaker 6: All your life, now, yeah, it would be.
Speaker 3: There would be zones of this stuff, this terrible situation
Speaker 3: all across the planet, every everywhere from southern Europe to
Speaker 3: northern Africa, southwestern North America, which already you know, is
Speaker 3: not doing great in twenty nineteen. If you think about
Speaker 3: some of the wildfire situations and other just heat situations,
Speaker 3: Southern Africa would be affected, Western Australia. Human water supplies,
Speaker 3: specifically fresh water supplies aquifers.
Speaker 5: Which is already suspect right now.
Speaker 3: Yes, that stuff would decrease much further. Again, fires would
Speaker 3: just be everywhere.
Speaker 1: If you're one of those people who hates being cold,
Speaker 1: thirty nineteen is like your year.
Speaker 3: Yeah, actually several years after twenty nineteen, and then up
Speaker 3: until thirty nineteen.
Speaker 4: It's your face.
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, it's your era.
Speaker 3: And all kinds of agriculture is going to be hugely
Speaker 3: affected by this, just because of the differences in rainfall
Speaker 3: at this point, because of these things.
Speaker 6: Now, you said if it if all the emission stops,
Speaker 6: you mean you're saying that we take we make progress,
Speaker 6: and they all stop, but these will still be the outcomes.
Speaker 3: Yes, Because it takes that long for a large climate
Speaker 3: change to effect to be affected, essentially a thousand years, right,
Speaker 3: That's one of the main issues. It takes forever to
Speaker 3: the effects will be seen rather quickly, and then it
Speaker 3: takes a long time to fix.
Speaker 6: Those put the toothpaste back into the tube.
Speaker 3: Yes, that is to say, though, or this is without
Speaker 3: saying that there could be technological advancements up to this
Speaker 3: point where we could cause that CO two to be
Speaker 3: out of the atmosphere for one reason or another.
Speaker 1: That's our wild card. We're leaning heavy on this one.
Speaker 6: I don't know about you, guys, but I have I've
Speaker 6: learned most recently that climate change isn't actually a real thing.
Speaker 6: And no, it's not a real thing. You saw how
Speaker 6: cold it got in the in the Midwest this winter.
Speaker 6: Obviously things aren't.
Speaker 5: Getting climate change other.
Speaker 6: And as we all know, plants like CO two, so
Speaker 6: this isn't a problem. I don't know why we're talking
Speaker 6: about this. I can't, but in all seriousness, if I
Speaker 6: do think, if we make it to a thousand years
Speaker 6: from now, isn't that kind of part and parcel with
Speaker 6: we will have the technology to fix this like the
Speaker 6: the in between time, like you mentioned before, Ben, is
Speaker 6: the challenge. Yes, but if we make it there unless
Speaker 6: I guess there's one addendum to that, if we get
Speaker 6: reduced to the place where we are, you know, a
Speaker 6: bunch of tribes running around again because we've lost technology
Speaker 6: because of cataclysmic events. I suppose in that case it wouldn't.
Speaker 6: But assuming we're still a relatively normal society, whether it's
Speaker 6: a global society or still split up by then wouldn't
Speaker 6: we have the tech to affect changer hopefully?
Speaker 1: The question is whether, given our tribalistic nature, we would
Speaker 1: be capable of cooperating on a large enough scale to
Speaker 1: implement it in a meaningful way. So maybe some country
Speaker 1: or some institute, or increasingly what would be likely is
Speaker 1: some large private institution, a company the Koch brothers, sure,
Speaker 1: the Koch brothers, Nessley, Unilever, Haliburton, all the hits, all
Speaker 1: the good ones. They have a let's say that they
Speaker 1: have a way to game the weather in a specific region,
Speaker 1: or they have some thing like innovative breakthrough the weather
Speaker 1: dominating Yeah, oh yeah, yeah, yeah, and throw the wildcard
Speaker 1: in and you're fine, right right. The question is what
Speaker 1: sort of negotiation or arrangement would they expect people to
Speaker 1: enter into in order to gain access to that technology.
Speaker 1: That's study about CO two, by the way, is from
Speaker 1: the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration, and according to their study,
Speaker 1: they're not a super controversial group by the way.
Speaker 6: No, actually, Noah, I mean getting biblical on me.
Speaker 1: Yeah, they're sort of the bad boys of oceanography. They
Speaker 1: they do say in this same study that changes in
Speaker 1: surface temperature, this is a quotation, rainfall and sea level
Speaker 1: are largely irreversible for more than one thousand years after
Speaker 1: CO two emissions are completely stopped. And they if you
Speaker 1: look at the study, they've they've gained it such that
Speaker 1: they go from the average emission now to maybe they say,
Speaker 1: it increases just a little bit and then it all stops.
Speaker 1: It increases toward that more reasonable number the match just
Speaker 1: named max out at six hundred per million, and then
Speaker 1: that just stops. The The scary thing is it's not
Speaker 1: going to completely stop. Like that's just not how things
Speaker 1: of that scale.
Speaker 6: We'll be breathing.
Speaker 1: That's true, Like we emit.
Speaker 6: CO two every time we take a breath.
Speaker 1: Classic usum, Sorry, I've been really off off away from
Speaker 1: the podcast, off topic here. You guys ever get caught
Speaker 1: in the overuse of a turn of phrase or a
Speaker 1: figure of speech, Yeah.
Speaker 5: You can't stop using it.
Speaker 1: They're like, ah, I've got to stop referring to things
Speaker 1: as classic whatever.
Speaker 5: The other person just says it's.
Speaker 6: Kind of like when I refer to things as a
Speaker 6: documentary when they're not really documentaries.
Speaker 1: Well, you did that so well because I felt that
Speaker 1: after you had clearly showed us that that was on
Speaker 1: the way.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 1: The other one is I went through oh, I will
Speaker 1: die on this hill, which is a melodramatic way to
Speaker 1: apply to anything.
Speaker 6: That aside barring you actually being on a hill and
Speaker 6: willing to die over it.
Speaker 1: Right that actually that does not happen yet. So if
Speaker 1: you're listening in thirty nineteen, writ in and let us
Speaker 1: know what your favorite turn of future phrases, assuming you're alive.
Speaker 6: It's like it's like Fill and Ted. You guys literally
Speaker 6: saved the universe.
Speaker 1: Well, you're in this too now.
Speaker 3: And all of this is just to say that in
Speaker 3: a thousand years, if we don't fix this right, it'll
Speaker 3: look this way. So and the other thing that we'll
Speaker 3: see is sea levels because of this, and it's directly
Speaker 3: related to those co two. Yeah, and that's also a
Speaker 3: pretty It doesn't sound as bad initially when you say
Speaker 3: it that if it happens the same way, oceans will
Speaker 3: rise at an average of I think one point two
Speaker 3: feet or something or what is it?
Speaker 5: A one point three to three point two feet.
Speaker 3: That's exactly what it is, so like a maximum of
Speaker 3: a meter, right, But.
Speaker 5: When you think about that though, yes, bye by Florida, Yeah,
Speaker 5: by all these coastal areas.
Speaker 1: Solomon Islands, Yeah, a lot of Micronesia. Then the leaders
Speaker 1: of those countries, a lot of island nations are very
Speaker 1: well aware of this, because even back in twenty nineteen,
Speaker 1: they could see this stuff happening and they pled their
Speaker 1: case to I think we used to call the United Nations,
Speaker 1: which may still be around, I don't know.
Speaker 6: Well speaking of in twenty nineteen, it was in twenty eighteen,
Speaker 6: I believe that a piece of the Arctic shelf fell
Speaker 6: off that was the size of Delaware.
Speaker 5: Jeez, what a wonderfully descriptive size Delaware.
Speaker 1: That's our new Let's just compare things to the measure.
Speaker 1: I've attatched a picture of Delaware for comparison.
Speaker 5: It was three point six delawares. That's great, let's do that.
Speaker 1: So, yes, the ocean will rise, and it will rise
Speaker 1: by two meters if CO two peaks at one thousand
Speaker 1: parts per million and two meters makes a hell of
Speaker 1: a difference. That's that's where you know, the smart money
Speaker 1: has already bought something inland, right right, and they're waiting
Speaker 1: for the beach to show up.
Speaker 6: That beachfront property you own in Arkansas, that's right, right, right.
Speaker 5: Right right.
Speaker 1: This this brings us to we're talking about the natural world.
Speaker 1: This brings us to another thing. Even in twenty nineteen,
Speaker 1: we as a species, we're undergoing what's called a great extinction.
Speaker 1: Great great extinctions are nothing new. It's not the first,
Speaker 1: this will not be the last, but they are brutal
Speaker 1: to experience. In the moments, you know, a thousand years Hence,
Speaker 1: we will have already have lost quite a few wild animals,
Speaker 1: quite a few plants, a ton of insects, many of
Speaker 1: which were never discovered before they went extinct. But because
Speaker 1: we're a thousand years in the future now, we may
Speaker 1: also be able to pull a wooly mammoth and bring
Speaker 1: them back.
Speaker 5: We just don't know where we will put them.
Speaker 6: Well, Ben, you spent so much time trying to figure
Speaker 6: out if you could, you never stopped to think if you.
Speaker 5: Should know.
Speaker 6: A mastardization of it. But yes, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 5: We look at all these things that they're just talking about.
Speaker 5: The bees, are now on the endangered species and they say,
Speaker 5: you know, where are we without bees and politenization? I
Speaker 5: mean hurting very much so, so you better hope that
Speaker 5: we have that kind of technology or wherewithal now to
Speaker 5: change things. Like you said, a hard stop, you know,
Speaker 5: but you know there needs to be a lot of
Speaker 5: hard stops in almost every one of these camps for
Speaker 5: our next thousand years to be something that we want
Speaker 5: to be a part.
Speaker 6: Of, another threat to throw into the ring other than
Speaker 6: being in an extinction moment, other than where the climate
Speaker 6: could go from a warming perspective, we are overdue for
Speaker 6: the next ice age. Oh yeah, and in a thousand
Speaker 6: years makes it much more likely. Now it's a weird
Speaker 6: catch twenty two because they most scientists think that the
Speaker 6: reason hasn't happened again yet is because the global warming
Speaker 6: saving ourselves by killing ourselves. Yeah, it's like cutting the rope.
Speaker 6: But you're like hanging over a vat of acid, Like
Speaker 6: I'm either going to hang here or I'm going to
Speaker 6: fall into the bat of acid. These are not good outcomes.
Speaker 6: But and I am I am not a climatologist. I
Speaker 6: don't know if I told you that. Guys before we
Speaker 6: started the show.
Speaker 1: I'm not you're pretty, You're not like some kind of
Speaker 1: weather surgeon or whatever they call it.
Speaker 6: A climatician. But I have to imagine that the balance
Speaker 6: there of global warming versus the Earth really wants its
Speaker 6: next ice age all play in somehow to a cosmic
Speaker 6: soup of not goodness.
Speaker 1: Yes, yeah, that's that's the thing. That's what makes this
Speaker 1: a tricky topic. If we're talking about the planet in
Speaker 1: one thousand years, it's going to be around. It's it's right,
Speaker 1: it's going to be, by and large still home to
Speaker 1: some sort of life. The question is whether or not
Speaker 1: people are still going to be in the mix. And
Speaker 1: for assuming that they are, they're going to be radically
Speaker 1: different from what we know. That thing we talked about
Speaker 1: where we could speak, well, we could interact with someone
Speaker 1: from ten nineteen and they.
Speaker 5: Would look sort of like us.
Speaker 1: That's probably not the case in thirty.
Speaker 5: Nineteen, because of environmental or designer reasons, either or apps.
Speaker 1: I would say, I would argue largely designer reasons because
Speaker 1: now we are capable in thirty nineteen of impacting, affecting,
Speaker 1: and steering our own evolution and adaptations. Because despite the
Speaker 1: Great extinction despite the ups and downs with the climate
Speaker 1: or the ecology in which we live. If we're around
Speaker 1: and civilization hasn't collapsed, we are going to be doing
Speaker 1: amazing science fiction level stuff. Will we be close to
Speaker 1: being a Type two civilization? I don't know.
Speaker 5: Type two has a hell of a gap.
Speaker 1: You know, there's there's is Type two, the one where
Speaker 1: you are able to your star, your top, your star, right,
Speaker 1: harness the.
Speaker 6: Entire basically, will we have a dice in sphere?
Speaker 4: Yes?
Speaker 5: Or progress to where we don't need one because we've
Speaker 5: come up with some other.
Speaker 1: Yeah, maybe we get to type one and we say, okay,
Speaker 1: let's just let's stay here, let's franchise out Mars and
Speaker 1: maybe you know the shopping districts. Yeah, if the Martians
Speaker 1: want to do it, they can. But we will have
Speaker 1: this amazing technology. We will have super fast computers, perhaps
Speaker 1: perhaps so so very quick that they are no longer
Speaker 1: computers to us. They are part of us, you know,
Speaker 1: Like we mentioned with people becoming you know, becoming digital
Speaker 1: versions of themselves. This is this is rife for all.
Speaker 1: So a side note, a new era of folklore. Can
Speaker 1: you imagine all the urban legends you will literally hear
Speaker 1: voices in your head. Your ancestors will not have died, right,
Speaker 1: they will still exist. Yeah, you've got beef with your
Speaker 1: great uncle. He's still around.
Speaker 6: Now you're saying he's still around because they captured his consciousness. Yes, okay,
Speaker 6: it's funny.
Speaker 4: One of the.
Speaker 6: Technologies they're talking about, but this could be actually a
Speaker 6: lot sooner than a thousand years is just taking enough
Speaker 6: writings and enough other input about a person and their life,
Speaker 6: and all of a sudden you input all of that
Speaker 6: and you get into augmented or virtual reality and you're
Speaker 6: sitting there having a conversation with Samuel Clemens. You know,
Speaker 6: it's an approximation obviously thereof but but you mean actually
Speaker 6: talking to the person.
Speaker 1: Right right, the digital essence the closest we could get
Speaker 1: perhaps to a soul at that point. But it gets
Speaker 1: even weird because we will also like, at this point
Speaker 1: we're clearly in ship a thesis territory, and this means that,
Speaker 1: you know, maybe let's say you have the the digital
Speaker 1: ghost of your great great grandmother says, you know what, Brent,
Speaker 1: I remember the Scorpion Wars and I would love to
Speaker 1: go to that museum with you. Just buy me a
Speaker 1: body real, right, because now it's just hardware.
Speaker 5: Do you know what I mean?
Speaker 6: They call him a sleeve? Was that in altered carbon?
Speaker 3: Yes?
Speaker 4: Yes, sleeve?
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: All right, guess let's stop right there for a second
Speaker 3: and we'll come right back afterward from our sponsor. All right,
Speaker 3: strap in, let's get back in this.
Speaker 6: The other wild card here, Yeah, that could impact every
Speaker 6: aspect of what we've talked about, whether it be how
Speaker 6: we harness power. Do we have the technology to create
Speaker 6: a dice in sphere? Uh? Do we have the technology
Speaker 6: to save our Earth? To to do all of these
Speaker 6: things would be the interference of another society, extraterrestrials, So
Speaker 6: interdimensional or interdimensional?
Speaker 5: Sure?
Speaker 6: I uh. We talked about this on our show a lot.
Speaker 6: Whether we believe in aliens, there's two questions always hidden there.
Speaker 6: Do you believe that another form of life exists in
Speaker 6: this universe?
Speaker 1: Absolutely?
Speaker 6: Second question, do you think they've been here?
Speaker 5: That's exactly exactly we are.
Speaker 6: I don't. I don't think that they've been here, but
Speaker 6: I think we are very very close to them showing up,
Speaker 6: Like I think we're getting farther, far enough along to
Speaker 6: be able to send some signals out there to be
Speaker 6: able to see things. I think we're I think that
Speaker 6: we're going to get to a point very soon where
Speaker 6: they're just going to show up one day.
Speaker 5: Yeah, have our.
Speaker 6: From Star Trek first contact, have our warp drive moment
Speaker 6: now the if that happens, which I think is just
Speaker 6: as realistic a possibility as we can upload our conscious
Speaker 6: I mean, like it's just the showing up, Hey, they're here,
Speaker 6: that if we do acknowledge they exist. You know, if
Speaker 6: depending on how old they are, their technology they're they are,
Speaker 6: if they are able to reach us from something that
Speaker 6: we can't see right now, chances are their technology is
Speaker 6: so advanced that they could help us, help bring us along.
Speaker 6: And I that would I mentioned wild card, that would
Speaker 6: be the ultimate wild card, because they're introducing new technologies
Speaker 6: to us that bring us. I don't think it's the
Speaker 6: alienation thing where they're just as messed up as we
Speaker 6: are and have the same internal and strife and you know,
Speaker 6: because then it's just that doesn't align to me. How
Speaker 6: could they have gotten here so quickly with such advanced
Speaker 6: technology just to be as you know, but then as
Speaker 6: we are.
Speaker 5: That opens up that whole other, you know, line of
Speaker 5: thinking of if they are that advanced and they're going
Speaker 5: to see that. Why do they care? Right right?
Speaker 1: That's the thing. The question then becomes not whether we
Speaker 1: would be capable of recognizing this as sentient life, It
Speaker 1: would be whether it recognizes us as such.
Speaker 5: Mitchillkaku, he was like he was, everyone sees ant hills.
Speaker 5: When's the last time you said, ants, here are beads
Speaker 5: and trinkets. Take me to your your queen. And if
Speaker 5: you do, the ants still know you're talking to them.
Speaker 5: Now is the ant dumb because it doesn't understand English?
Speaker 5: Or is it Are you dumb because you're trying to
Speaker 5: talk to an ant?
Speaker 6: Yeah, I'm dumb because I've got the magnifying glass out
Speaker 6: and I'm trying to burn them with the sun.
Speaker 1: Yeah right. It's just I mean everything gets very quickly
Speaker 1: to the level of stories from the Old Testament, you
Speaker 1: know what I mean? Like we can we can we
Speaker 1: can give favor to these ants and they'll say, oh food,
Speaker 1: or like oh the other ants that we're killing us
Speaker 1: are mysteriously gone and the land is poisoned.
Speaker 5: I just wherever we go, if we're ever in that
Speaker 5: position to where we can be the ones too out there,
Speaker 5: we just build pyramids and leave, you know, and so
Speaker 5: that way for a generation.
Speaker 1: I mean, that's a power move, you know what I mean.
Speaker 7: I vote we get weird with It's just confuse the
Speaker 7: hell out of them. Let's uh, let's let's give uh
Speaker 7: let's let's give some very basic and wildly arbitrary, irrelevant rules,
Speaker 7: you know what I mean, Like, uh, let's ban people
Speaker 7: from doing or let's ban a life form from doing
Speaker 7: something very specific with its antenna, or and it's got
Speaker 7: to be something they would normally have never thought of doing.
Speaker 5: Right. Uh, but you're but you're right.
Speaker 1: This this span of time, this one thousand years, it
Speaker 1: inherently includes space exploration at this point, right, very very soon.
Speaker 1: As far as twenty nineteen went, el on Us was
Speaker 1: planning to have four ships permanently on a circuit to
Speaker 1: Mars in the twenty twenty twenty five.
Speaker 5: Twenty twenty two, they're gonna start sending you Twenty twenty five,
Speaker 5: I think, is when that's gonna kick into Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, So even if that estimate is wildly optimistic, which
Speaker 1: it is, But even if even if it's so wildly
Speaker 1: optimistic that that doesn't happen until twenty one to twenty five,
Speaker 1: still another nine hundred years. So if we're going to
Speaker 1: if we're going to get to space, it is going
Speaker 1: to be within this time span, which makes it one
Speaker 1: of the most important eras in human history. And that
Speaker 1: goes to your your point, John, that will involve us
Speaker 1: putting out so much noise in the universe, even more
Speaker 1: than we already have. And we all read those, you know,
Speaker 1: those kind of bleak dystopian sci fi pieces where we
Speaker 1: finally get a message from space and it's something cryptic
Speaker 1: like sh they'll hear you, and that that could be
Speaker 1: the thing, because we could also find ourselves in a
Speaker 1: situation we're just speculating. Now, there's not a basis on
Speaker 1: this as a thought experiment. We can find ourselves in
Speaker 1: a situation where I would advance. This is more likely
Speaker 1: the meeting of biological life form, where we find the
Speaker 1: creations of some other organic life form and they're really
Speaker 1: into paper clips. We know that Pluto used to be
Speaker 1: an entire sphere, but it's slowly disintegrating, and then we
Speaker 1: have that calculator. That's the thing, given what we understand
Speaker 1: about travel across these impossibly vast distances, unless they're unless
Speaker 1: they have a propulsion or transit system that redefines our
Speaker 1: understanding of physics, which they pretty much would have to
Speaker 1: We would be in one of the worst waiting games ever.
Speaker 1: We would say, we know something's coming, we know it's
Speaker 1: not natural. We have four hundred years together.
Speaker 5: Yeah, so people are gonna spuild religions around that. I
Speaker 5: mean everything, every I mean mass hysteria.
Speaker 1: And a lot of a lot of religions that we
Speaker 1: have back in twenty nineteen. I'm riding this dead horse
Speaker 1: to the ground. They will have also changed such that
Speaker 1: they would they may be widely unrecognizable to people practice
Speaker 1: them today. Right, the Catholic Church has soldiered throughout the
Speaker 1: years and may well still exist, but may also have
Speaker 1: a very different set of practices.
Speaker 5: Well, they've they've come out in years recent and said like, hey,
Speaker 5: if aliens come, it's it's okay, It's part of God's plan.
Speaker 5: It's part of the Bible, you know, all inclusive, bringing
Speaker 5: on in.
Speaker 6: I whish you would have been burned for not that
Speaker 6: long ago, the same thing that. But Ben, I think
Speaker 6: you bring up a really good point, but you can
Speaker 6: almost take it to the next level, not just religion,
Speaker 6: but society and species changes. So continuing along the thought experiment,
Speaker 6: as a society, we're probably a global society by that point.
Speaker 6: We probably speak one to two languages as a as
Speaker 6: a group. The rest are dead languages, and we probably
Speaker 6: you know, one currency for the planet. I mean, these
Speaker 6: are just things that are almost inevitable over that time period.
Speaker 6: If that's the case and we are an interplanetary species,
Speaker 6: we're going to have to do some of the things
Speaker 6: that we discussed earlier, some gene editing, some addition of cybernetics,
Speaker 6: things of that nature. We're going to have to change
Speaker 6: to live in different environments. So there's probably going to
Speaker 6: be a group of people. They could be living on
Speaker 6: the ore cloud there. There will be a group of
Speaker 6: people at living near Proximus century. All all of these
Speaker 6: people will have had to have changed and could be
Speaker 6: gone for long enough periods of time because of how
Speaker 6: long it takes to get there that their heritage there.
Speaker 6: The way they look, they almost would be disassociate themselves
Speaker 6: from the history of man. They are their own thing.
Speaker 1: We have created aliens one thousand years. Hence we have
Speaker 1: created aliens. The most well known to us are probably Martians, correct,
Speaker 1: but The lunar people are pretty weird too. They're like
Speaker 1: the new Florida.
Speaker 6: Well it's underwater. They had to go somewhere soon, man, Florida.
Speaker 1: Man, Yeah, by which I meant awesome. And Disney owns it.
Speaker 1: But that's that's fantastic though, because now we may have.
Speaker 5: Also it's the weirdest part this.
Speaker 1: Maybe a thousand years is too small a margin for this,
Speaker 1: but what if we had a successful colony on Mars
Speaker 1: somehow survived, not just survive, but thrived, and then and
Speaker 1: civilization on Earth collapsed, we entered a dark age. We
Speaker 1: had legends about Martians, but they never screwed up to
Speaker 1: the extent that we did. And they decided to come
Speaker 1: visit us. They're like, wow, our parents' house is trash.
Speaker 1: Like that's that would be an alien encounter for us.
Speaker 1: They would be extraterrestrials, right. But at this point we
Speaker 1: will have had if we're around it all, we will
Speaker 1: have had people visiting these places and hopefully living there
Speaker 1: on a semi permanent basis very quickly, and I think
Speaker 1: you raised this point earlier, Brett. They will speciate.
Speaker 5: That or be completely uploaded into some sort of cybernetic
Speaker 5: you know, Westworld, right, and then then that negates all
Speaker 5: of that, you.
Speaker 1: Know, so we may have we may have a situation
Speaker 1: where everybody on Earth speaks thus one to two languages.
Speaker 1: That's incredibly likely.
Speaker 5: But we may be in.
Speaker 1: A situation where someone says, okay, I have to use
Speaker 1: my cybernetic parts to my my in the cloud software
Speaker 1: programming because I've got to speak with this martian and
Speaker 1: then who knows what the hell they're talking about.
Speaker 6: And it becomes even more likely if we play out
Speaker 6: the scenario we discussed earlier where we're using we start
Speaker 6: with self replicating robots getting us to other places, and
Speaker 6: then if we want to go there because we can't
Speaker 6: survive you know, the five hundred year trip or whatever,
Speaker 6: we laser shoot our consciousness there. They like Mitchiukaku, you
Speaker 6: mentioned him earlier, Brent. He talks about a day where
Speaker 6: we will be cosmic tourists and so oh you want
Speaker 6: to go, you know, look at this exo planet that is,
Speaker 6: you know, fifty light years away. We just we shoot
Speaker 6: through a laser our consciousness there. You've got a robot
Speaker 6: body waiting there that you rent for the day, and
Speaker 6: you go look around and see the big volcanoes, and
Speaker 6: then you shoot to the next planet and so on
Speaker 6: and so forth. Now taking that a step back, just
Speaker 6: the ability to get there, but and and shoot a
Speaker 6: large laser beams, shoot our consciousness there. If we shoot
Speaker 6: there and the laser, the laser itself could take five
Speaker 6: hundred years to get there, depending on how far away
Speaker 6: it is. There's no time involved to you. You get
Speaker 6: there and then you know, a thousand of your friends,
Speaker 6: you start a new all of a sudden, now we've
Speaker 6: got a new species of robot people.
Speaker 1: Right, and yeah, and we're again we're much more likely,
Speaker 1: based on what we understand about sentient life, which is
Speaker 1: very very little, we're much more likely to run into
Speaker 1: technology of some sort that sentient life created. It's it's
Speaker 1: the the Geer kind of example from Star Trek, right.
Speaker 1: And what's fascinating about that is there's a very important
Speaker 1: step that we can't we can't miss. And I know,
Speaker 1: as some of us we're listening along, we said, well,
Speaker 1: all right, send your consciousness through this laser. Robot people
Speaker 1: come back to Earth, right, return these memories to you know,
Speaker 1: Matt or John Prime or whatever you call yourselves, to
Speaker 1: experience that what that means is they're going to have
Speaker 1: to reverse the cloud process. They're going to take the
Speaker 1: relationship between neurons mapped out virtually, and they'll see that
Speaker 1: and see the difference between that, and then have your
Speaker 1: neurons performed the same dance so that now you can
Speaker 1: remember these things. And all you had to do was,
Speaker 1: you know, to wait, switch bodies whatever, repair yourself for
Speaker 1: five hundreds to one thousand years geese. So it's it's like,
Speaker 1: you know, it's there's some time involved.
Speaker 6: I just want to know one thing, how how long
Speaker 6: will I need to work to build up that kind
Speaker 6: of time off?
Speaker 1: No Ah, that's the question.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I'll I'm gonna put my out of office on
Speaker 6: I'll be back in a thousand years.
Speaker 5: Yeah, DMV. Still terrible. It's still terrible.
Speaker 3: It is crazy to imagine that perhaps one day our
Speaker 3: species will think of time on that kind of scale.
Speaker 1: I think we would have won't have to inevitably, or
Speaker 1: it'll just be an illusory thing.
Speaker 5: We know that.
Speaker 1: We'll have a terraforming down pat It will still be
Speaker 1: it'll be an imperfect science, but we'll have a lot
Speaker 1: better idea of what we're working with and what the
Speaker 1: scale is we will have finally answered your earlier question, gentlemen,
Speaker 1: whether it's better to use a laser or nuclear weapon
Speaker 1: on the on the poles of Mars. Yes, we'll have
Speaker 1: new energy sources, some of which we're going to have
Speaker 1: a difficulty comprehending. In twenty nineteen, harnessing interactions in higher
Speaker 1: dimensions or different dimensions will also have utility fog.
Speaker 4: Which is the utility fog.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's like a well thought experiment now, but it's like,
Speaker 1: so the philosopher's stone in alchemy can transform any substance
Speaker 1: into any other substance, utility cloud, a utility fog. Rather,
Speaker 1: it's kind of like a nanotech version of that. You
Speaker 1: can say, well, I'm I enjoy this domicile, but now
Speaker 1: I want something a bit more what do they call
Speaker 1: it Southwestern? I want something with a Pueblo feel. Make
Speaker 1: it so, and then this fog, these nanobots would just
Speaker 1: rearrange into whatever they thought you meant. Now Hopefully, hopefully
Speaker 1: it won't be as fraught with hilarious error as telling
Speaker 1: your Amazon or your Google Home in twenty nineteen, what
Speaker 1: song you want to hear?
Speaker 5: Right?
Speaker 6: T Oh Gray Hot.
Speaker 5: It's like it's like a crazy three D printer from
Speaker 5: the future. Yes, yeah, just a living, breathing three D printer.
Speaker 6: Well, I just made the quite necessary Star Trek the
Speaker 6: next generation reference, Yeah, the better series. Sorry, yeah, I know,
Speaker 6: I just made a hot take. Hot you just started
Speaker 6: a war, Yes, Kirker Picard, you decide No, they thank you?
Speaker 5: Uh? They.
Speaker 6: The one thing we haven't talked about with all of
Speaker 6: this is, okay, but what if we do achieve faster
Speaker 6: than light travel, or what if we do find a
Speaker 6: way to bend space time to where you can you know,
Speaker 6: warp seven and and we just virus out everywhere.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that is just in a word, it's gonna be baller. Yeah,
Speaker 1: because like we can, we will be able to finally
Speaker 1: confirm things that we have worn wandered about since we
Speaker 1: were able to wonder about things.
Speaker 5: Are we rare?
Speaker 1: Are we alone in the universe? And by the time,
Speaker 1: by the time we take time out of the equation,
Speaker 1: which is tricky, but that is the right way to
Speaker 1: say it in English, then all bets are off. Everything
Speaker 1: has changed. You know, if you are if you are
Speaker 1: warping time in space, then you can visit ten nineteen
Speaker 1: if you so wished it right. I don't know if
Speaker 1: people would or if we recognize, because now at this
Speaker 1: point in thirty nineteen, people are recognizable to us, but
Speaker 1: we are We are early man to them, right, And
Speaker 1: we use our hands to do things, not out of
Speaker 1: some sort of fashion statement, but because we have to.
Speaker 3: We still eat a whole bunch of food.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 1: No, here's the thing. So we've talked about this in
Speaker 1: the past. Human beings. Now we think of ourselves as individuals,
Speaker 1: but we're much closer to cities ourselves, given all the
Speaker 1: cells that outnumber us, that live inside us. And this
Speaker 1: trend will continue, and in a thousand years again, if
Speaker 1: people are still around and nothing super horrific and existential occurs,
Speaker 1: we are going to redefine. Our privacy will be gone longer.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, privacy is a relatively recent notion in twenty nineteen,
Speaker 1: and that's probably when it started to die now too,
Speaker 1: But by thirty nineteen, privacy will be a weird alien
Speaker 1: why would you do that concept? And the concept of
Speaker 1: the individual will change as well, because the individual will
Speaker 1: be just the way that our consciousness now is an
Speaker 1: agglomeration or the sum total of interactions between neurons. We
Speaker 1: will each individually be a networked node of several different things.
Speaker 1: You won't just have have one cloud consciousness, You'll have multiple.
Speaker 1: You'll be a group mind, and at times that group
Speaker 1: mind might not agree with what you consider.
Speaker 5: You, which is freaky.
Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, it's It's something we've always stated in
Speaker 1: multiple languages throughout ancient history, when people like I'm on
Speaker 1: the fence, I'm of two minds about that, you will
Speaker 1: be of several hundred.
Speaker 3: Right, Well, guys, in the end, no matter, you know,
Speaker 3: all the things we've discussed so far in this episode,
Speaker 3: all of us in this room, the four of us,
Speaker 3: Paul out there, everyone listening in their office right now,
Speaker 3: and oh, Conspiracy bo I didn't even see you back there.
Speaker 4: He must be recharging drunk. Oh, that's what it is.
Speaker 6: They eventually pass out, so all.
Speaker 3: Of us, you know, in the end, we're all gonna
Speaker 3: get together in twenty nineteen and decide that our species
Speaker 3: is going to move forward towards the future. We're gonna
Speaker 3: steer our planet and our civilization in the direction of
Speaker 3: a utopian thirty nineteen.
Speaker 5: Yeah, can we.
Speaker 1: Get some inspired, inspiring music under that.
Speaker 3: I'm totally totally kidding, guys, all of the decisions that
Speaker 3: could lead to any type of utopian future will be
Speaker 3: made in corporate boardrooms and in government situation rooms, and
Speaker 3: the decisions will be based on profits and margins and
Speaker 3: election cycles.
Speaker 4: The end we fizzle out.
Speaker 1: I mean for some for some point of time. Oh,
Speaker 1: I wish we had more time. I find myself this
Speaker 1: is unusual for us, Matt. I find myself a little
Speaker 1: bit more optimistic.
Speaker 4: I think it's because of these guys.
Speaker 1: It probably is. And speaking of John and Brent, maybe
Speaker 1: we should maybe we should end on a end on
Speaker 1: a cooperative new and go around the table. First off, guys,
Speaker 1: thank you so much for coming on our show on
Speaker 1: behalf of us and our listeners. Secondly, two questions. We'll
Speaker 1: start with you John. One, what of the things we've
Speaker 1: examined day, what do you find most exciting? And two,
Speaker 1: what do you find most terrifying? Oh, if you had to.
Speaker 6: Choose, let me do an reverse order. I think the
Speaker 6: most terrifying is the idea of moving from where we
Speaker 6: are to that next phase two where we become a
Speaker 6: first or second class civilization according to the Karda chev scale.
Speaker 6: I think the road between here and there is littered
Speaker 6: with a lot of potholes that could that could be
Speaker 6: really really take us off track and could become one
Speaker 6: of those existential threats, whichever one you want to talk about.
Speaker 6: I mean, I think they're all just as likely as
Speaker 6: one's just as likely as another. You know, That's what
Speaker 6: that's the most terrifying part, because and the reason that's
Speaker 6: the most terrifying is I'm a pretty big optimist when
Speaker 6: it comes to these things. I think a lot of
Speaker 6: negative human behavior is driven by need and necessity. Certainly
Speaker 6: some people are driven by power, but that power is
Speaker 6: rooted in the power that other people will give to them.
Speaker 6: And if the masses are fairly happy, they're not going
Speaker 6: to allow a tyrant to run them in just my
Speaker 6: one guy's thought. So I think that if we are
Speaker 6: able to get to eight thousand years from now, and
Speaker 6: we have made it past these existential threats, I do
Speaker 6: see a little bit more utopian. I think we'll be
Speaker 6: interacting with other alien species, and I think it will
Speaker 6: we will be a multiplanetary, perhaps multi galaxial if that's
Speaker 6: not a word I just made it up. Sound's pretty
Speaker 6: cool species. And I think it could be a really
Speaker 6: really cool future.
Speaker 4: We just got to get there.
Speaker 5: I think for me, the thing that is the most
Speaker 5: exciting is the thought of the exploration out there, what
Speaker 5: we could do. You know, It's one of those things
Speaker 5: you can just shut your brain off and think and
Speaker 5: there's really no wrong answers because we don't know.
Speaker 4: And that's what's awesome.
Speaker 5: The scariest part of that ties into that too, is
Speaker 5: I'm still hung up on the whole uploading of our
Speaker 5: consciousness and what we will be if in a thousand years,
Speaker 5: for us to be able to do those things, will
Speaker 5: we still be human?
Speaker 3: You know?
Speaker 5: And you know that's what's a mean to be human?
Speaker 5: You know. I think it's the big question. And for
Speaker 5: us to be able to explore the cosmos, to go
Speaker 5: out to survive, we're gonna have to make a lot
Speaker 5: of changes, you know, internally, externally physically, and what that
Speaker 5: does to us is a big question mark to me.
Speaker 3: Wow, Well, gentlemen, thank you so much for coming on
Speaker 3: the show.
Speaker 5: Well, thank you for having us all last.
Speaker 3: Just why don't you tell everybody a little bit more
Speaker 3: about hysteria fifty one where they can find you, what
Speaker 3: they should be listening to and everything.
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Speaker 6: the unexplained, the unexplored. We do it a little bit
Speaker 6: differently in that our third host is not NOL.
Speaker 4: That'd be weird, but it.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 6: Our third host is an angry robot who you see
Speaker 6: here in the corner named conspiracy Bot, and Brent built
Speaker 6: him in his lab to help edit and produce the show. Instead,
Speaker 6: he just get drunks, he just pardon me. Instead, he
Speaker 6: just gets drunk and threatens to take over the world.
Speaker 6: Though he's kind of run by like a for eighty
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Speaker 3: You've got a questions for these guys, Let's just all
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Speaker 3: about how none of it's going to be good.
Speaker 4: In my opinion, is.
Speaker 5: It such a doubter? It's like, what's the future?
Speaker 1: Oh God, as Matt shakes his fist at the sky
Speaker 1: and the inevitable slow grind of what we recognize today
Speaker 1: as time. We reached the end of our episode, but
Speaker 1: not the end of our show. Tune into our next episode, which,
Speaker 1: without laying any spoilers because we're not quite sure which
Speaker 1: what we're gonna do yet, is going to be very
Speaker 1: very very very strange.
Speaker 3: And positive, so positive.
Speaker 6: Oh it's so good.
Speaker 1: Angel farts trumpets, Yeah, nice, like slow jack a numbers whatever.
Speaker 1: But in the meantime, we'd like to hear from you.
Speaker 1: You are indeed our favorite part of the show. No offense, John,
Speaker 1: No offense, Brent.
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