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Speaker 1: Welcome back to our classic episodes, Fellow conspiracy Realist. In

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Speaker 1: twenty nineteen, we put our brain trust together and we

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Speaker 1: asked ourselves what will humanity be like in one thousand years?

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Speaker 2: And since it hasn't yet been a thousand years, this

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Speaker 2: is still very much topical, one would argue.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, And we're also joined with some very special guests here,

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Speaker 3: friends of the show, John go Forth and Brent Hand

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Speaker 3: who are hosts of Hysteria fifty one, or they I

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Speaker 3: guess they were hosts of Hysteria fifty one at the time,

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Speaker 3: but either way, friends of.

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Speaker 2: The show, Brent the dead hand Hand as we like

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Speaker 2: to call him.

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Speaker 3: In John go Forth, Tally go Forth, Tally Hoe go Forth.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, sure, well yeah, he does tend to move in

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Speaker 2: a forward direction.

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Speaker 1: So our question is in this episode, in this conversation,

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Speaker 1: what would it be like if you met someone from

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Speaker 1: the year three zero one to nine? How different would

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Speaker 1: that human being be from the person you find yourself

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Speaker 1: today in twenty twenty four. We still believe this is

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Speaker 1: a worthwhile conversation and we look forward to your thoughts,

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Speaker 1: So tune in and hit us up if anything has

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Speaker 1: changed on this one conspiracydiheartradio dot com.

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Speaker 2: What was what was a thousand years in the past?

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Speaker 2: Can you guys do some cocktail math real quick?

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Speaker 4: No, I don't know.

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Speaker 3: I'm just getting ready for a project thirty twenty five,

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Speaker 1: There we go mandate for leadership. Also, to answer your question,

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Speaker 1: it would have been as we're recording now, it would

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Speaker 1: have been ten twenty four, which was a big year

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Speaker 1: for humanity in several terrible ways. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: What was hot in ten twenty four? Uh?

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Speaker 1: Plagues, plagues, nobody was washing their hands. Mmmm, swords Just

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Speaker 1: a couple of quick hits.

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Speaker 2: Henry the second died in ten twenty four and Conrad

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Speaker 2: only after some debating among dukes and nobles.

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Speaker 1: And ten twenty four CE was a leap year. Put

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Speaker 1: that in your pipe and smoke. It were fun at parties.

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Speaker 1: Here's the episode from UFOs to Psychic Powers and government conspiracies.

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Speaker 1: History is riddled with unexplained events. You can turn back

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Speaker 1: now or learn this stuff they don't want you to know.

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Speaker 4: Hello, welcome back to the show. My name is matt Our.

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Speaker 1: Compatriot Nole is on adventures, but will return soon.

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Speaker 5: They called me Ben.

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Speaker 1: We are joined as always with our super producer Paul

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Speaker 1: Mission controlled decad Most importantly, you are you. You are here,

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Speaker 1: and that makes this stuff they don't want you to know. However,

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Speaker 1: you are not alone, fellow conspiracy realist. We are exploring

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Speaker 1: the idea of humanity in one thousand years with a

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Speaker 1: ton of asterisks and a dollup of optimism. And we

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Speaker 1: are not diving into this exploration on our lonesome. No,

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Speaker 1: quite the opposite. We are joined by some friends of

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Speaker 1: the show, some personal friends of ours, the host of

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Speaker 1: our peer podcast, Hysteria fifty one. Check it out if

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Speaker 1: you haven't yet.

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Speaker 3: Everyone, please welcome John go Forth and Bent Hand.

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Speaker 5: Gentlemen. Thank you very much.

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Speaker 6: I guys, I told you I shouldn't bring Brent, but

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Speaker 6: you still allowed it. I don't know.

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Speaker 5: I begged and begged, and you know, just.

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Speaker 6: Probably the worst decision was allowing conspiracy Bot here. We

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Speaker 6: will try to keep him quiet.

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Speaker 1: That's that's true. That's true. Conspiracy Bot. Also, thank you

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Speaker 1: for coming.

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Speaker 3: Did you notice that Scully seems to really be getting

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Speaker 3: along with conspiracy Bot.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, it's weird.

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Speaker 4: I know.

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Speaker 1: This is an audio podcast. Maybe if they do something

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Speaker 1: that's remotely work appropriate, we'll take a picture and host it.

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Speaker 6: But right now, yeah, we can't show it right now.

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Speaker 5: We're just it was a bear getting the TSA, so

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Speaker 5: he needs to enjoy himself. This last time we're traveling

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Speaker 5: with them.

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Speaker 1: Smells like circuits burning, and it's so guys, Like most people,

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Speaker 1: we spend a great deal of our time here in

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Speaker 5: As we record this, everyone I know spends their time

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Speaker 1: Yes, yeah, we spend a lot of this time thinking

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Speaker 1: using this this imaginative capacity to think of what we

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Speaker 1: like things that don't really rock the friggin' timeline.

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Speaker 3: You know what where if it's on your calendar?

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Speaker 2: Right?

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Speaker 1: Stuff on account? Where am I going to go for lunch?

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Speaker 1: What are my list of errands? You know? How can

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Speaker 6: When will our son supernova? I've got that on my calendar.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, exactly exactly because we oh yeah, we have

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Speaker 1: wonder about those large events. Let's define it, very loosely,

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Speaker 1: is interesting because for both Hysarian fifty one and stuff

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Speaker 1: a large scale event because a lot of us listening

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Speaker 4: Other, right WHOA I never thought about it like that.

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Speaker 1: The universe is a cold, lonely place. So you know,

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Speaker 1: we've got examples of these, like what's a what's a

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Speaker 3: Let's say a primary election or a presidential election. The

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Speaker 3: people who are actually voting probably aren't going to meet

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Speaker 6: Nine to eleven. Yes, there you go from impact from

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Speaker 6: I mean, there were so many people impacted that weren't

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Speaker 1: And that's an excellent example because that's a single event

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Speaker 3: Well, and it's a So that's a large event, and

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Speaker 3: it's all it's also a long term event, right.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, we're still reeling and the effects are felt.

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Speaker 1: And that's because in addition to defining something as a

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Speaker 1: a short term, large scale event would be a celebration

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Speaker 5: Comes one, seven million people I think showed up one

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Speaker 1: Yeah. So a long term, small scale event then would

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Speaker 5: You know, the collective us? Yeah, collective us? What are we?

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Speaker 1: Not what's going to happen today or tomorrow, but a

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Speaker 1: we started looking into the research and we were, you know, Paul,

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Speaker 1: were like, holy, ten thousand years.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean, you could just say whatever you want.

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Speaker 6: We're all jellyfish, yeah I know.

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Speaker 1: And even with so we just did an excellent episode.

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Speaker 1: Well I really enjoyed it. I thought you guys did.

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Speaker 4: I was good.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, and you too.

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Speaker 1: Conspiracy and we did an episode on the future of

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Speaker 1: us was that there's quite a lot of stuff down

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Speaker 5: Right, And that's the big I think that's the big

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Speaker 6: A lot of times, I think, especially with technology, it

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a train with no breaks, right. Yeah. This

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Speaker 1: this episode, we're going to be exploring some things that

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Speaker 6: And for you comic book fans, we're referring to this

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Speaker 1: Events, a shared universe.

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Speaker 6: Yes, I'm Batman.

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Speaker 1: Oh all right, I respect that. I respect that. How

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Speaker 5: Yeah? Yeah, there you go.

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Speaker 6: Just stay away from image and we'll be fine.

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, their creator owned.

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Speaker 5: Uh, it's true. So all right, let's get to it.

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Speaker 3: Sure, So let's talk about where we humans. Everybody in

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Speaker 3: this room, everyone listening is going to end up in

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Speaker 3: one thousand years, ten generations ostensibly from now.

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Speaker 1: Well to understand that, Matt, don't we have to go

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Speaker 1: back to Would it be helpful for us to go

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Speaker 1: back to one thousand years before now?

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Speaker 1: Okay, cool, Thanks for saying that, because otherwise.

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Speaker 3: All right, that's that's really the only thing we can

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Speaker 3: do to have an understanding. Right, Well, let's see how

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Speaker 1: And Brett earlier in our previous episode. You you mentioned

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Speaker 1: take is. What actually happened in ten nineteen, right?

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Speaker 1: There's stuff like no offense conspiracy bought, but there's there's

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Speaker 1: stuff that can do specific tax as.

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Speaker 6: We haven't reached the singularity, right.

445
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Speaker 5: Right, And that's why it's such a broad term, because

446
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Speaker 5: we don't It's that we don't know, and that's why

447
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Speaker 5: it's so scary for people, and it's so inspiring for people.

448
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Speaker 5: And everyone's seen terminator, you know, and so that's always

449
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Speaker 5: looming in the back of your mind because that that is,

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Speaker 5: I guess a possibility.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and that's a good metaphor. But it looks like

452
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Speaker 1: we have we may well have a terminator situation. It

453
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Speaker 1: just won't look human, it'll be gray goo.

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Speaker 4: Yes, So this is the thing I wanted to bring up.

455
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Speaker 3: The paper clip problem gets exponentially scarier if it's not

456
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Speaker 3: making paper clips, if it's replicating, if it's just making

457
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Speaker 3: more of itself, right, oh yeah, and if it's on

458
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Speaker 3: a nanoscale technology that's just self replicated replicating.

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Speaker 4: That means that the.

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Speaker 3: Gray goo that is inside of our heads that can

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Speaker 3: come up with making a nano bot and then getting

462
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Speaker 3: that nanobot to have artificial technology to continue to replicate,

463
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Speaker 3: then creates this thing that occurs out in the physical

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Speaker 3: world that is a gray gu that is just an

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Speaker 3: entire planet covered in nanobots that have self replicated to

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Speaker 3: the point where that's all that's left.

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Speaker 6: It's all is there.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, exactly. And if we survive all of this,

469
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Speaker 1: then the other bad news concerns our bodies and the

470
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Speaker 1: environment in which they live. Genetic research loves it. I

471
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Speaker 1: think we shouted out Gataga earlier. It's a fantastic film.

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Speaker 1: Watch it again if you've already seen it. Like most

473
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Speaker 1: advanced technologies, especially in their earlier days, this is going

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Speaker 1: to be controlled by wealthy institutions at first because of

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Speaker 1: the way that society functions right now, and so before

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Speaker 1: it bleeds into the genes of a general population, before

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Speaker 1: like the descendant of Jeff Bezos scandalizes his or her

478
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Speaker 1: family and sleeps with a peasant, this stuff would result

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Speaker 1: in in something and it's most extreme that we would

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Speaker 1: call man made speciation. But then there's the chance we

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Speaker 1: talked about this for the tin Cream with traits and

482
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Speaker 1: one part of the geni code could have unintended disastrous consequences.

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Speaker 1: For fiction. A good example of this would be the

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Speaker 1: Eloy and the Morlocks from the Time Machine.

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Speaker 5: Right, you know, did we have the best of intentions

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Speaker 5: and all of a sudden, now we're moment underneath the

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Speaker 5: ground because we can't be on the sunlight just because

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Speaker 5: Crisper ran.

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Speaker 6: That's right, there's a ticking time bomb inside of every cell.

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Speaker 6: Very A lot of geneticists are like, well, the key

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Speaker 6: to immortality could be turning off that time bomb. One

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Speaker 6: of the challenges or scary parts of that is there's

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Speaker 6: one type of cell today that does not have that

494
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Speaker 6: time bomb in it. It's a cancer cell.

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Speaker 4: Ah.

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Speaker 6: Yes, and so you changed the makeup of a cell

497
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Speaker 6: a little too much, you become a big tumor all.

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Speaker 1: Of a sudden, right, right, and technically speaking, very technically speaking,

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Speaker 1: there is one immortal individual Henrietta lacks at least her cancer, right.

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Speaker 3: You guys love us no, no, no, Well, listen to

501
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Speaker 3: our episode on do we do an episode or.

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Speaker 1: Just a we did an episode on immortality? Got it

503
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Speaker 1: in the various terribly problematic ways.

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Speaker 4: It's achieve it.

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Speaker 3: It's this crazy messed up thing where this one woman's

506
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Speaker 3: cancer cells were taken as uh samples to be tested

507
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Speaker 3: right for testing, and then all of the like all

508
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Speaker 3: of the other samples that were that existed in this

509
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Speaker 3: one building ended up having Henrietta LAX's cancer cells in

510
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Speaker 3: those samples. And then they started realizing, wait a second,

511
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Speaker 3: somehow these samples, because they were being shipped across the

512
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Speaker 3: planet to be studied, uh, they ended up in all

513
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Speaker 3: the cancer cells, or at least the vast majority of them.

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Speaker 1: And they they continue to reproduce.

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Speaker 5: Yes, yes, wow.

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Speaker 1: So technically immortal, but not the kind of immortality you probably.

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Speaker 3: Yeah remember for But it goes back to our whole

518
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Speaker 3: humanity as a virus thing spreading across the cosmos from

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Speaker 3: our last episode.

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Speaker 5: Isn't that what you want to do? It's you want

521
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Speaker 5: to reproduce and you want to live. You know that

522
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Speaker 5: you're bringing it down to its basis terms. But I

523
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Speaker 5: mean that's the idea. And guess what I was. I

524
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Speaker 5: needed to leave this body. I need to leave this planet,

525
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Speaker 5: you know. And they say we're going to have to

526
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Speaker 5: be an interplanetary species. Well guess what virus is spread.

527
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Speaker 1: We get angry when it's cancer, but we're one hundred

528
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Speaker 1: percent on board if it's us, right, right, right. So

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Speaker 1: the last thing is the climate. Yes, the climate. You've

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Speaker 1: heard it before. It is the tragedy of commons writ large.

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Speaker 1: Unless we all at the same time make some massive changes,

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Speaker 1: the climate seems set to inevitably change in some drastic

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Speaker 1: ways ocean acidification, temperature changes, deforestation, and so on.

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Speaker 6: I have one question. Yes, you guys are familiar with

535
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Speaker 6: the Kardashiev scale. Yes, we are currently a point seven

536
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Speaker 6: on the Kardashiv scale.

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Speaker 5: Seven two three. Come on now, no coteam.

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Speaker 6: They say that a level one civilization can control all

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Speaker 6: of the energy on their planet, and as a function

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Speaker 6: that they can control all of the weather. Everything pretty

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Speaker 6: much is happening in their neck of the woods. If

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Speaker 6: we achieve level one in the next thousand years, don't

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Speaker 6: we also achieve the ability to go, oh well, we

544
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Speaker 6: can just do whatever we need to do the atmosphere

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Speaker 6: and make sure that doesn't happen.

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Speaker 1: Yes, the problem is getting to that thousand year mark.

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Speaker 6: From here to level one.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that is, don't let.

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Speaker 5: Anything that we've already done to ourselves erase before we

550
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Speaker 5: can get that.

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Speaker 4: Quit's fair.

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Speaker 3: If if life has existed on other planets and emerged

553
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Speaker 3: from a goo from a you know, a chemical reaction

554
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Speaker 3: that occurred because there just happened to be the right

555
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Speaker 3: molecules on that planet, don't you think they do they

556
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Speaker 3: go through a very similar process of figuring out.

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Speaker 5: Scis Yeah, that like life is probably very similar. Of

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Speaker 5: that's the grand equalizers. If they're smart enough to save themselves,

559
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Speaker 5: because they all probably come up to this part. Stay

560
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Speaker 5: we're at now, we're very close to the tipping point

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Speaker 5: we were talking about, you know, a singularity. We're almost

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Speaker 5: to that point now where we need to decide that

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Speaker 5: we want to better ourselves or are do we want

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Speaker 5: to wipe ourselves out?

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Speaker 6: I think that's assuming that they're like normal ish whatever

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Speaker 6: we consider that, like carbon based life forms. Yeah sure,

567
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Speaker 6: you know, there's also people that speculate that on gas giants,

568
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Speaker 6: sentient life could develop in a way that we don't

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Speaker 6: even understand.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, no, I guess what I just what I mean

571
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Speaker 3: is the fuel, the available fuel that exists on whatever

572
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Speaker 3: planetary body the life emerges from, ends up being used

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Speaker 3: up to an extent or altered to an extent, no

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Speaker 3: matter what it is.

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Speaker 5: That for us in a thousand years from now, if

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Speaker 5: we're going to be able to do the things that

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Speaker 5: we needed to save our planet from extinction of whatever

578
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Speaker 5: might happen. To be able to explore the cosmos, we're

579
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Speaker 5: gonna need energy and things like that that come from

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Speaker 5: far more exotic places, black holes, other dimensions. These are

581
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Speaker 5: the things that they say that we're going to be

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Speaker 5: playing with if we are you know, to be a

583
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Speaker 5: you know, a level two or something like that. So

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Speaker 5: climate in and of itself is nothing.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, and yet it's everything.

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Speaker 5: Climate exactly.

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Speaker 1: Climate is the the VHS that we have to use

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Speaker 1: your earlier tample mat the VHS. We have to keep

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Speaker 1: them working order until we can afford LG. So the

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Speaker 1: last thing we mentioned the good. We talked about the bad,

591
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Speaker 1: the big bads. Now we have to talk about the ugly.

592
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Speaker 1: Just briefly, there's one ugly thing you should keep in

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Speaker 1: your mind, folks, as as we listen along. The number

594
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Speaker 1: one ugly thing, the frightening, horrifying anti ganesh like elephant

595
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Speaker 1: in our species collective room is put simply this, there

596
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Speaker 1: is a very high chance that we will not make

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Speaker 1: it to the one thousand year mark. We were safe.

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Speaker 1: In our earlier episode we said, you know, we're assuming

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Speaker 1: that nothing terrible happens to the one hundred year mark.

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Speaker 1: Now we're doing that ten times.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, you know, and.

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Speaker 1: In Stephen hawkins estimation, we absolutely are not gonna make

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Speaker 1: it unless.

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Speaker 5: We get off of Earth. Right.

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Speaker 1: Stephen Hawkins not necessarily are curmudgeon, but calls him like

606
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Speaker 1: you sees him. He has some statements that are pretty

607
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Speaker 1: much along the lines of screw humans.

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Speaker 5: Unless they get off Earth. Screw Earth. We need to

609
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Speaker 5: leave it.

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Speaker 1: You know, no disrespect, but it's working out. Aliens are

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Speaker 1: real and screw them to So we're gonna get ai

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Speaker 1: and you know what, screw that. That's I mean, I'm

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Speaker 1: paraphrasing a little.

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Speaker 4: Yeah. Yeah, we learned about a lot of that stuff.

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Speaker 3: Did you have you, guys ever spoken with Josh Clark,

616
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Speaker 3: who did End of the World from stuff?

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Speaker 4: You should know?

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Speaker 6: No, we we really want to. We're gonna have him

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Speaker 6: on to talk the Fermi Paradox.

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Speaker 4: Yea, oh that's great.

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Speaker 1: Oh, that's gonna be great.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: So he has a podcast that explores.

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Speaker 5: All the chuckles that are that are facing us.

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00:33:14,760 --> 00:33:19,280
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, it's a cavalcade of comedy. Yeah, but we

626
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Speaker 1: recommend that. And with all this in mind, we have

627
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Speaker 1: to understand that everything we are about to contemplate about

628
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Speaker 1: human civilization one thousand years from now is inherently optimistic,

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Speaker 1: if only because we are assuming that somewhere, somehow, something

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Speaker 1: like humanity is still is still partying on in threeenty nineteen.

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Speaker 1: What are we talking about. We'll tell you after a

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Speaker 1: word from our sponsor.

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Speaker 5: Here's where it gets crazy.

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Speaker 1: Humanity one thousand years from now. Welcome to thirty nineteen.

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Speaker 1: If you're listening to this, then hypothetically you have survived

636
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Speaker 1: and out of all the weird trials and travails that

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Speaker 1: you have encountered in thirty nineteen, you have decided to

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Speaker 1: take a break and listen to a podcast, and you've

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Speaker 1: chose this one. Yeah, thank you.

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Speaker 3: Good job doing some ancient recovery of either technology or

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Speaker 3: I don't know.

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Speaker 5: This is part of an archaeological dig.

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Speaker 6: This show is actually included in the tests ract.

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Speaker 5: I'm sure it's going to go into the Smithsonian at

645
00:34:31,239 --> 00:34:33,879
Speaker 5: one point in time or another, so you know it's true. Yeah,

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Speaker 5: good lord.

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Speaker 1: It would be like the regional version, you know, like

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Speaker 1: how their Ted X talks right Smithsonian X. So let's

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Speaker 1: let's see we left off one thousand years ago. We

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Speaker 1: left off with the fact that there are inevitable things

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Speaker 1: that will happen in the climate as we knew it

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Speaker 1: from twenty nineteen, right, So a thousand years later, a

653
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Speaker 1: lot of water under the bridge, you know.

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Speaker 4: A lot of water over there, over the over the bag.

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Speaker 1: So he did there, Matt, can you tell us a

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Speaker 1: little bit about what's happened with the climate?

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Speaker 3: Well, odds are humanity continued despite our best intentions, we

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Speaker 3: continue to use carbon fuels, carbon based fuels and other

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Speaker 3: things that put CO two emissions out into the atmosphere. Right,

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Speaker 3: because as of twenty nineteen, CO two emissions are at

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Speaker 3: an average of three hundred and eighty five parts per million.

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Speaker 3: Sounds really low, right per million?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, it sounds really low. But here's the deal.

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Speaker 3: That's increasing and if that gets up just a little

665
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Speaker 3: bit higher to say four hundred and fifty, maybe all

666
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Speaker 3: the way up to six hundred parts per million, and

667
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Speaker 3: that could be really bad because if it reaches that

668
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Speaker 3: level of as an average, and then if in some

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Speaker 3: way all CO two emissions just stop debt, no more

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Speaker 3: carbon dioxide is added to the atmosphere.

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Speaker 4: This is what would happen.

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Speaker 3: There would be persistent decreases in dry season rainfall that

673
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Speaker 3: are that are and would be comparable to the nineteen

674
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Speaker 3: thirties depression era, like the dust bowl that we've all

675
00:36:15,840 --> 00:36:19,360
Speaker 3: heard of, that would just exist that there would be

676
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Speaker 3: in zones of.

677
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Speaker 6: All your life, now, yeah, it would be.

678
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Speaker 3: There would be zones of this stuff, this terrible situation

679
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Speaker 3: all across the planet, every everywhere from southern Europe to

680
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Speaker 3: northern Africa, southwestern North America, which already you know, is

681
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Speaker 3: not doing great in twenty nineteen. If you think about

682
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Speaker 3: some of the wildfire situations and other just heat situations,

683
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Speaker 3: Southern Africa would be affected, Western Australia. Human water supplies,

684
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Speaker 3: specifically fresh water supplies aquifers.

685
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Speaker 5: Which is already suspect right now.

686
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Speaker 3: Yes, that stuff would decrease much further. Again, fires would

687
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Speaker 3: just be everywhere.

688
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Speaker 1: If you're one of those people who hates being cold,

689
00:37:02,960 --> 00:37:05,239
Speaker 1: thirty nineteen is like your year.

690
00:37:07,280 --> 00:37:11,640
Speaker 3: Yeah, actually several years after twenty nineteen, and then up

691
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Speaker 3: until thirty nineteen.

692
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Speaker 4: It's your face.

693
00:37:14,440 --> 00:37:15,600
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, it's your era.

694
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Speaker 3: And all kinds of agriculture is going to be hugely

695
00:37:19,120 --> 00:37:22,800
Speaker 3: affected by this, just because of the differences in rainfall

696
00:37:23,000 --> 00:37:24,439
Speaker 3: at this point, because of these things.

697
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Speaker 6: Now, you said if it if all the emission stops,

698
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Speaker 6: you mean you're saying that we take we make progress,

699
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Speaker 6: and they all stop, but these will still be the outcomes.

700
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Speaker 3: Yes, Because it takes that long for a large climate

701
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Speaker 3: change to effect to be affected, essentially a thousand years, right,

702
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Speaker 3: That's one of the main issues. It takes forever to

703
00:37:48,920 --> 00:37:52,640
Speaker 3: the effects will be seen rather quickly, and then it

704
00:37:52,680 --> 00:37:54,120
Speaker 3: takes a long time to fix.

705
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Speaker 6: Those put the toothpaste back into the tube.

706
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Speaker 3: Yes, that is to say, though, or this is without

707
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Speaker 3: saying that there could be technological advancements up to this

708
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Speaker 3: point where we could cause that CO two to be

709
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Speaker 3: out of the atmosphere for one reason or another.

710
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Speaker 1: That's our wild card. We're leaning heavy on this one.

711
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Speaker 6: I don't know about you, guys, but I have I've

712
00:38:17,360 --> 00:38:20,600
Speaker 6: learned most recently that climate change isn't actually a real thing.

713
00:38:21,680 --> 00:38:24,279
Speaker 6: And no, it's not a real thing. You saw how

714
00:38:24,320 --> 00:38:28,240
Speaker 6: cold it got in the in the Midwest this winter.

715
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Speaker 6: Obviously things aren't.

716
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Speaker 5: Getting climate change other.

717
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Speaker 6: And as we all know, plants like CO two, so

718
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Speaker 6: this isn't a problem. I don't know why we're talking

719
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Speaker 6: about this. I can't, but in all seriousness, if I

720
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Speaker 6: do think, if we make it to a thousand years

721
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Speaker 6: from now, isn't that kind of part and parcel with

722
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Speaker 6: we will have the technology to fix this like the

723
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Speaker 6: the in between time, like you mentioned before, Ben, is

724
00:38:55,880 --> 00:38:59,360
Speaker 6: the challenge. Yes, but if we make it there unless

725
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Speaker 6: I guess there's one addendum to that, if we get

726
00:39:02,840 --> 00:39:05,480
Speaker 6: reduced to the place where we are, you know, a

727
00:39:05,480 --> 00:39:08,480
Speaker 6: bunch of tribes running around again because we've lost technology

728
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Speaker 6: because of cataclysmic events. I suppose in that case it wouldn't.

729
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Speaker 6: But assuming we're still a relatively normal society, whether it's

730
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Speaker 6: a global society or still split up by then wouldn't

731
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Speaker 6: we have the tech to affect changer hopefully?

732
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Speaker 1: The question is whether, given our tribalistic nature, we would

733
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Speaker 1: be capable of cooperating on a large enough scale to

734
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Speaker 1: implement it in a meaningful way. So maybe some country

735
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Speaker 1: or some institute, or increasingly what would be likely is

736
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Speaker 1: some large private institution, a company the Koch brothers, sure,

737
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Speaker 1: the Koch brothers, Nessley, Unilever, Haliburton, all the hits, all

738
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Speaker 1: the good ones. They have a let's say that they

739
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Speaker 1: have a way to game the weather in a specific region,

740
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Speaker 1: or they have some thing like innovative breakthrough the weather

741
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Speaker 1: dominating Yeah, oh yeah, yeah, yeah, and throw the wildcard

742
00:40:07,920 --> 00:40:12,719
Speaker 1: in and you're fine, right right. The question is what

743
00:40:13,160 --> 00:40:18,319
Speaker 1: sort of negotiation or arrangement would they expect people to

744
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Speaker 1: enter into in order to gain access to that technology.

745
00:40:22,480 --> 00:40:24,600
Speaker 1: That's study about CO two, by the way, is from

746
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Speaker 1: the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration, and according to their study,

747
00:40:30,960 --> 00:40:33,200
Speaker 1: they're not a super controversial group by the way.

748
00:40:33,440 --> 00:40:38,799
Speaker 6: No, actually, Noah, I mean getting biblical on me.

749
00:40:39,600 --> 00:40:46,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, they're sort of the bad boys of oceanography. They

750
00:40:46,520 --> 00:40:49,920
Speaker 1: they do say in this same study that changes in

751
00:40:49,960 --> 00:40:53,000
Speaker 1: surface temperature, this is a quotation, rainfall and sea level

752
00:40:53,040 --> 00:40:56,520
Speaker 1: are largely irreversible for more than one thousand years after

753
00:40:56,680 --> 00:40:59,880
Speaker 1: CO two emissions are completely stopped. And they if you

754
00:41:00,080 --> 00:41:02,719
Speaker 1: look at the study, they've they've gained it such that

755
00:41:03,400 --> 00:41:07,239
Speaker 1: they go from the average emission now to maybe they say,

756
00:41:07,239 --> 00:41:09,640
Speaker 1: it increases just a little bit and then it all stops.

757
00:41:09,680 --> 00:41:13,200
Speaker 1: It increases toward that more reasonable number the match just

758
00:41:13,280 --> 00:41:16,120
Speaker 1: named max out at six hundred per million, and then

759
00:41:16,200 --> 00:41:20,719
Speaker 1: that just stops. The The scary thing is it's not

760
00:41:20,840 --> 00:41:24,359
Speaker 1: going to completely stop. Like that's just not how things

761
00:41:24,360 --> 00:41:24,920
Speaker 1: of that scale.

762
00:41:24,920 --> 00:41:25,840
Speaker 6: We'll be breathing.

763
00:41:26,760 --> 00:41:28,360
Speaker 1: That's true, Like we emit.

764
00:41:28,200 --> 00:41:29,680
Speaker 6: CO two every time we take a breath.

765
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Speaker 1: Classic usum, Sorry, I've been really off off away from

766
00:41:41,480 --> 00:41:44,400
Speaker 1: the podcast, off topic here. You guys ever get caught

767
00:41:44,719 --> 00:41:49,360
Speaker 1: in the overuse of a turn of phrase or a

768
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Speaker 1: figure of speech, Yeah.

769
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Speaker 5: You can't stop using it.

770
00:41:53,840 --> 00:41:57,080
Speaker 1: They're like, ah, I've got to stop referring to things

771
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Speaker 1: as classic whatever.

772
00:41:58,880 --> 00:42:01,080
Speaker 5: The other person just says it's.

773
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Speaker 6: Kind of like when I refer to things as a

774
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Speaker 6: documentary when they're not really documentaries.

775
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Speaker 1: Well, you did that so well because I felt that

776
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Speaker 1: after you had clearly showed us that that was on

777
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Speaker 1: the way.

778
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Speaker 5: Yeah.

779
00:42:12,239 --> 00:42:16,000
Speaker 1: The other one is I went through oh, I will

780
00:42:16,040 --> 00:42:19,080
Speaker 1: die on this hill, which is a melodramatic way to

781
00:42:19,120 --> 00:42:20,640
Speaker 1: apply to anything.

782
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Speaker 6: That aside barring you actually being on a hill and

783
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Speaker 6: willing to die over it.

784
00:42:27,200 --> 00:42:29,799
Speaker 1: Right that actually that does not happen yet. So if

785
00:42:29,800 --> 00:42:34,560
Speaker 1: you're listening in thirty nineteen, writ in and let us

786
00:42:34,640 --> 00:42:40,120
Speaker 1: know what your favorite turn of future phrases, assuming you're alive.

787
00:42:40,680 --> 00:42:43,120
Speaker 6: It's like it's like Fill and Ted. You guys literally

788
00:42:43,160 --> 00:42:44,160
Speaker 6: saved the universe.

789
00:42:45,400 --> 00:42:46,480
Speaker 1: Well, you're in this too now.

790
00:42:49,160 --> 00:42:51,879
Speaker 3: And all of this is just to say that in

791
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Speaker 3: a thousand years, if we don't fix this right, it'll

792
00:42:56,480 --> 00:42:58,560
Speaker 3: look this way. So and the other thing that we'll

793
00:42:58,600 --> 00:43:01,680
Speaker 3: see is sea levels because of this, and it's directly

794
00:43:01,719 --> 00:43:05,759
Speaker 3: related to those co two. Yeah, and that's also a

795
00:43:05,800 --> 00:43:09,120
Speaker 3: pretty It doesn't sound as bad initially when you say

796
00:43:09,160 --> 00:43:13,120
Speaker 3: it that if it happens the same way, oceans will

797
00:43:13,200 --> 00:43:16,320
Speaker 3: rise at an average of I think one point two

798
00:43:16,360 --> 00:43:18,239
Speaker 3: feet or something or what is it?

799
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Speaker 5: A one point three to three point two feet.

800
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Speaker 3: That's exactly what it is, so like a maximum of

801
00:43:23,120 --> 00:43:24,319
Speaker 3: a meter, right, But.

802
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Speaker 5: When you think about that though, yes, bye by Florida, Yeah,

803
00:43:27,320 --> 00:43:29,640
Speaker 5: by all these coastal areas.

804
00:43:29,360 --> 00:43:34,400
Speaker 1: Solomon Islands, Yeah, a lot of Micronesia. Then the leaders

805
00:43:34,400 --> 00:43:36,919
Speaker 1: of those countries, a lot of island nations are very

806
00:43:36,920 --> 00:43:40,040
Speaker 1: well aware of this, because even back in twenty nineteen,

807
00:43:40,280 --> 00:43:43,560
Speaker 1: they could see this stuff happening and they pled their

808
00:43:43,640 --> 00:43:46,480
Speaker 1: case to I think we used to call the United Nations,

809
00:43:47,239 --> 00:43:48,960
Speaker 1: which may still be around, I don't know.

810
00:43:50,360 --> 00:43:52,960
Speaker 6: Well speaking of in twenty nineteen, it was in twenty eighteen,

811
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Speaker 6: I believe that a piece of the Arctic shelf fell

812
00:43:56,120 --> 00:43:57,920
Speaker 6: off that was the size of Delaware.

813
00:43:59,400 --> 00:44:04,160
Speaker 5: Jeez, what a wonderfully descriptive size Delaware.

814
00:44:04,480 --> 00:44:08,880
Speaker 1: That's our new Let's just compare things to the measure.

815
00:44:09,040 --> 00:44:11,520
Speaker 1: I've attatched a picture of Delaware for comparison.

816
00:44:11,640 --> 00:44:17,480
Speaker 5: It was three point six delawares. That's great, let's do that.

817
00:44:18,239 --> 00:44:23,400
Speaker 1: So, yes, the ocean will rise, and it will rise

818
00:44:23,440 --> 00:44:27,680
Speaker 1: by two meters if CO two peaks at one thousand

819
00:44:27,680 --> 00:44:31,960
Speaker 1: parts per million and two meters makes a hell of

820
00:44:32,000 --> 00:44:35,560
Speaker 1: a difference. That's that's where you know, the smart money

821
00:44:35,719 --> 00:44:39,360
Speaker 1: has already bought something inland, right right, and they're waiting

822
00:44:39,400 --> 00:44:40,560
Speaker 1: for the beach to show up.

823
00:44:41,719 --> 00:44:45,239
Speaker 6: That beachfront property you own in Arkansas, that's right, right, right.

824
00:44:45,239 --> 00:44:45,720
Speaker 5: Right right.

825
00:44:47,440 --> 00:44:51,000
Speaker 1: This this brings us to we're talking about the natural world.

826
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Speaker 1: This brings us to another thing. Even in twenty nineteen,

827
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Speaker 1: we as a species, we're undergoing what's called a great extinction.

828
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Speaker 1: Great great extinctions are nothing new. It's not the first,

829
00:45:03,800 --> 00:45:07,240
Speaker 1: this will not be the last, but they are brutal

830
00:45:07,520 --> 00:45:14,080
Speaker 1: to experience. In the moments, you know, a thousand years Hence,

831
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Speaker 1: we will have already have lost quite a few wild animals,

832
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Speaker 1: quite a few plants, a ton of insects, many of

833
00:45:22,800 --> 00:45:27,839
Speaker 1: which were never discovered before they went extinct. But because

834
00:45:27,960 --> 00:45:30,799
Speaker 1: we're a thousand years in the future now, we may

835
00:45:31,080 --> 00:45:34,680
Speaker 1: also be able to pull a wooly mammoth and bring

836
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Speaker 1: them back.

837
00:45:36,080 --> 00:45:38,359
Speaker 5: We just don't know where we will put them.

838
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Speaker 6: Well, Ben, you spent so much time trying to figure

839
00:45:41,640 --> 00:45:45,640
Speaker 6: out if you could, you never stopped to think if you.

840
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Speaker 5: Should know.

841
00:45:50,960 --> 00:45:53,840
Speaker 6: A mastardization of it. But yes, yeah, yeah, yeah.

842
00:45:54,640 --> 00:45:56,479
Speaker 5: We look at all these things that they're just talking about.

843
00:45:56,520 --> 00:46:00,800
Speaker 5: The bees, are now on the endangered species and they say,

844
00:46:01,000 --> 00:46:04,200
Speaker 5: you know, where are we without bees and politenization? I

845
00:46:04,239 --> 00:46:07,239
Speaker 5: mean hurting very much so, so you better hope that

846
00:46:07,280 --> 00:46:10,759
Speaker 5: we have that kind of technology or wherewithal now to

847
00:46:10,880 --> 00:46:13,960
Speaker 5: change things. Like you said, a hard stop, you know,

848
00:46:14,280 --> 00:46:16,480
Speaker 5: but you know there needs to be a lot of

849
00:46:16,520 --> 00:46:19,719
Speaker 5: hard stops in almost every one of these camps for

850
00:46:19,840 --> 00:46:22,560
Speaker 5: our next thousand years to be something that we want

851
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Speaker 5: to be a part.

852
00:46:23,040 --> 00:46:26,920
Speaker 6: Of, another threat to throw into the ring other than

853
00:46:26,960 --> 00:46:31,480
Speaker 6: being in an extinction moment, other than where the climate

854
00:46:31,600 --> 00:46:36,759
Speaker 6: could go from a warming perspective, we are overdue for

855
00:46:36,800 --> 00:46:41,400
Speaker 6: the next ice age. Oh yeah, and in a thousand

856
00:46:41,480 --> 00:46:44,960
Speaker 6: years makes it much more likely. Now it's a weird

857
00:46:45,040 --> 00:46:48,000
Speaker 6: catch twenty two because they most scientists think that the

858
00:46:48,040 --> 00:46:54,080
Speaker 6: reason hasn't happened again yet is because the global warming

859
00:46:54,760 --> 00:46:59,360
Speaker 6: saving ourselves by killing ourselves. Yeah, it's like cutting the rope.

860
00:46:59,640 --> 00:47:02,600
Speaker 6: But you're like hanging over a vat of acid, Like

861
00:47:03,280 --> 00:47:05,000
Speaker 6: I'm either going to hang here or I'm going to

862
00:47:05,000 --> 00:47:07,560
Speaker 6: fall into the bat of acid. These are not good outcomes.

863
00:47:08,840 --> 00:47:11,880
Speaker 6: But and I am I am not a climatologist. I

864
00:47:11,880 --> 00:47:14,160
Speaker 6: don't know if I told you that. Guys before we

865
00:47:14,200 --> 00:47:14,719
Speaker 6: started the show.

866
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Speaker 1: I'm not you're pretty, You're not like some kind of

867
00:47:16,680 --> 00:47:18,640
Speaker 1: weather surgeon or whatever they call it.

868
00:47:20,160 --> 00:47:26,880
Speaker 6: A climatician. But I have to imagine that the balance

869
00:47:26,960 --> 00:47:30,080
Speaker 6: there of global warming versus the Earth really wants its

870
00:47:30,120 --> 00:47:36,680
Speaker 6: next ice age all play in somehow to a cosmic

871
00:47:36,760 --> 00:47:38,279
Speaker 6: soup of not goodness.

872
00:47:38,680 --> 00:47:42,120
Speaker 1: Yes, yeah, that's that's the thing. That's what makes this

873
00:47:42,280 --> 00:47:46,000
Speaker 1: a tricky topic. If we're talking about the planet in

874
00:47:46,120 --> 00:47:51,239
Speaker 1: one thousand years, it's going to be around. It's it's right,

875
00:47:51,719 --> 00:47:55,360
Speaker 1: it's going to be, by and large still home to

876
00:47:55,520 --> 00:47:58,560
Speaker 1: some sort of life. The question is whether or not

877
00:47:58,719 --> 00:48:01,040
Speaker 1: people are still going to be in the mix. And

878
00:48:01,040 --> 00:48:04,000
Speaker 1: for assuming that they are, they're going to be radically

879
00:48:04,080 --> 00:48:08,120
Speaker 1: different from what we know. That thing we talked about

880
00:48:08,360 --> 00:48:11,240
Speaker 1: where we could speak, well, we could interact with someone

881
00:48:11,280 --> 00:48:12,560
Speaker 1: from ten nineteen and they.

882
00:48:12,520 --> 00:48:13,719
Speaker 5: Would look sort of like us.

883
00:48:14,200 --> 00:48:17,000
Speaker 1: That's probably not the case in thirty.

884
00:48:16,840 --> 00:48:21,960
Speaker 5: Nineteen, because of environmental or designer reasons, either or apps.

885
00:48:21,960 --> 00:48:25,440
Speaker 1: I would say, I would argue largely designer reasons because

886
00:48:25,480 --> 00:48:29,799
Speaker 1: now we are capable in thirty nineteen of impacting, affecting,

887
00:48:29,960 --> 00:48:35,600
Speaker 1: and steering our own evolution and adaptations. Because despite the

888
00:48:35,640 --> 00:48:39,360
Speaker 1: Great extinction despite the ups and downs with the climate

889
00:48:40,200 --> 00:48:44,640
Speaker 1: or the ecology in which we live. If we're around

890
00:48:44,760 --> 00:48:47,719
Speaker 1: and civilization hasn't collapsed, we are going to be doing

891
00:48:47,840 --> 00:48:52,520
Speaker 1: amazing science fiction level stuff. Will we be close to

892
00:48:52,560 --> 00:48:57,600
Speaker 1: being a Type two civilization? I don't know.

893
00:48:57,680 --> 00:48:59,960
Speaker 5: Type two has a hell of a gap.

894
00:49:00,280 --> 00:49:02,759
Speaker 1: You know, there's there's is Type two, the one where

895
00:49:02,760 --> 00:49:06,560
Speaker 1: you are able to your star, your top, your star, right,

896
00:49:07,239 --> 00:49:07,799
Speaker 1: harness the.

897
00:49:07,840 --> 00:49:10,600
Speaker 6: Entire basically, will we have a dice in sphere?

898
00:49:11,080 --> 00:49:11,319
Speaker 4: Yes?

899
00:49:12,200 --> 00:49:15,200
Speaker 5: Or progress to where we don't need one because we've

900
00:49:15,360 --> 00:49:16,480
Speaker 5: come up with some other.

901
00:49:18,440 --> 00:49:21,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, maybe we get to type one and we say, okay,

902
00:49:21,280 --> 00:49:25,279
Speaker 1: let's just let's stay here, let's franchise out Mars and

903
00:49:26,480 --> 00:49:29,520
Speaker 1: maybe you know the shopping districts. Yeah, if the Martians

904
00:49:29,600 --> 00:49:33,080
Speaker 1: want to do it, they can. But we will have

905
00:49:33,160 --> 00:49:38,200
Speaker 1: this amazing technology. We will have super fast computers, perhaps

906
00:49:39,440 --> 00:49:45,640
Speaker 1: perhaps so so very quick that they are no longer

907
00:49:45,719 --> 00:49:48,560
Speaker 1: computers to us. They are part of us, you know,

908
00:49:49,000 --> 00:49:55,000
Speaker 1: Like we mentioned with people becoming you know, becoming digital

909
00:49:55,080 --> 00:50:00,000
Speaker 1: versions of themselves. This is this is rife for all.

910
00:50:00,080 --> 00:50:03,480
Speaker 1: So a side note, a new era of folklore. Can

911
00:50:03,520 --> 00:50:07,160
Speaker 1: you imagine all the urban legends you will literally hear

912
00:50:07,360 --> 00:50:11,880
Speaker 1: voices in your head. Your ancestors will not have died, right,

913
00:50:12,120 --> 00:50:17,000
Speaker 1: they will still exist. Yeah, you've got beef with your

914
00:50:17,040 --> 00:50:19,080
Speaker 1: great uncle. He's still around.

915
00:50:19,719 --> 00:50:24,000
Speaker 6: Now you're saying he's still around because they captured his consciousness. Yes, okay,

916
00:50:24,520 --> 00:50:25,000
Speaker 6: it's funny.

917
00:50:25,000 --> 00:50:25,359
Speaker 4: One of the.

918
00:50:25,280 --> 00:50:27,800
Speaker 6: Technologies they're talking about, but this could be actually a

919
00:50:27,880 --> 00:50:30,400
Speaker 6: lot sooner than a thousand years is just taking enough

920
00:50:30,480 --> 00:50:34,839
Speaker 6: writings and enough other input about a person and their life,

921
00:50:34,880 --> 00:50:36,680
Speaker 6: and all of a sudden you input all of that

922
00:50:36,719 --> 00:50:39,239
Speaker 6: and you get into augmented or virtual reality and you're

923
00:50:39,239 --> 00:50:42,719
Speaker 6: sitting there having a conversation with Samuel Clemens. You know,

924
00:50:44,440 --> 00:50:47,840
Speaker 6: it's an approximation obviously thereof but but you mean actually

925
00:50:47,880 --> 00:50:49,200
Speaker 6: talking to the person.

926
00:50:49,200 --> 00:50:55,839
Speaker 1: Right right, the digital essence the closest we could get

927
00:50:56,080 --> 00:50:59,160
Speaker 1: perhaps to a soul at that point. But it gets

928
00:50:59,200 --> 00:51:02,680
Speaker 1: even weird because we will also like, at this point

929
00:51:02,680 --> 00:51:07,040
Speaker 1: we're clearly in ship a thesis territory, and this means that,

930
00:51:07,400 --> 00:51:13,360
Speaker 1: you know, maybe let's say you have the the digital

931
00:51:13,520 --> 00:51:17,799
Speaker 1: ghost of your great great grandmother says, you know what, Brent,

932
00:51:18,800 --> 00:51:23,279
Speaker 1: I remember the Scorpion Wars and I would love to

933
00:51:23,320 --> 00:51:25,759
Speaker 1: go to that museum with you. Just buy me a

934
00:51:25,800 --> 00:51:28,920
Speaker 1: body real, right, because now it's just hardware.

935
00:51:29,239 --> 00:51:29,960
Speaker 5: Do you know what I mean?

936
00:51:31,000 --> 00:51:34,320
Speaker 6: They call him a sleeve? Was that in altered carbon?

937
00:51:34,560 --> 00:51:34,719
Speaker 3: Yes?

938
00:51:34,960 --> 00:51:36,520
Speaker 4: Yes, sleeve?

939
00:51:36,920 --> 00:51:37,640
Speaker 2: Yeah.

940
00:51:37,719 --> 00:51:39,720
Speaker 3: All right, guess let's stop right there for a second

941
00:51:39,800 --> 00:51:49,160
Speaker 3: and we'll come right back afterward from our sponsor. All right,

942
00:51:49,200 --> 00:51:50,799
Speaker 3: strap in, let's get back in this.

943
00:51:51,640 --> 00:51:55,879
Speaker 6: The other wild card here, Yeah, that could impact every

944
00:51:55,920 --> 00:51:58,799
Speaker 6: aspect of what we've talked about, whether it be how

945
00:51:58,840 --> 00:52:00,879
Speaker 6: we harness power. Do we have the technology to create

946
00:52:00,880 --> 00:52:04,399
Speaker 6: a dice in sphere? Uh? Do we have the technology

947
00:52:04,480 --> 00:52:07,959
Speaker 6: to save our Earth? To to do all of these

948
00:52:08,000 --> 00:52:15,080
Speaker 6: things would be the interference of another society, extraterrestrials, So

949
00:52:15,560 --> 00:52:17,680
Speaker 6: interdimensional or interdimensional?

950
00:52:17,760 --> 00:52:18,040
Speaker 5: Sure?

951
00:52:18,560 --> 00:52:20,919
Speaker 6: I uh. We talked about this on our show a lot.

952
00:52:21,000 --> 00:52:24,239
Speaker 6: Whether we believe in aliens, there's two questions always hidden there.

953
00:52:24,600 --> 00:52:27,040
Speaker 6: Do you believe that another form of life exists in

954
00:52:27,080 --> 00:52:27,800
Speaker 6: this universe?

955
00:52:28,080 --> 00:52:28,640
Speaker 1: Absolutely?

956
00:52:29,360 --> 00:52:31,200
Speaker 6: Second question, do you think they've been here?

957
00:52:32,640 --> 00:52:35,000
Speaker 5: That's exactly exactly we are.

958
00:52:36,520 --> 00:52:38,799
Speaker 6: I don't. I don't think that they've been here, but

959
00:52:39,000 --> 00:52:43,920
Speaker 6: I think we are very very close to them showing up,

960
00:52:44,400 --> 00:52:47,080
Speaker 6: Like I think we're getting farther, far enough along to

961
00:52:47,120 --> 00:52:48,960
Speaker 6: be able to send some signals out there to be

962
00:52:48,960 --> 00:52:52,120
Speaker 6: able to see things. I think we're I think that

963
00:52:52,320 --> 00:52:53,879
Speaker 6: we're going to get to a point very soon where

964
00:52:53,880 --> 00:52:55,120
Speaker 6: they're just going to show up one day.

965
00:52:57,920 --> 00:52:58,640
Speaker 5: Yeah, have our.

966
00:53:00,160 --> 00:53:02,920
Speaker 6: From Star Trek first contact, have our warp drive moment

967
00:53:03,239 --> 00:53:07,120
Speaker 6: now the if that happens, which I think is just

968
00:53:07,200 --> 00:53:09,760
Speaker 6: as realistic a possibility as we can upload our conscious

969
00:53:09,840 --> 00:53:13,200
Speaker 6: I mean, like it's just the showing up, Hey, they're here,

970
00:53:12,800 --> 00:53:17,120
Speaker 6: that if we do acknowledge they exist. You know, if

971
00:53:17,239 --> 00:53:20,400
Speaker 6: depending on how old they are, their technology they're they are,

972
00:53:20,600 --> 00:53:22,600
Speaker 6: if they are able to reach us from something that

973
00:53:22,640 --> 00:53:25,920
Speaker 6: we can't see right now, chances are their technology is

974
00:53:26,000 --> 00:53:29,640
Speaker 6: so advanced that they could help us, help bring us along.

975
00:53:29,760 --> 00:53:33,439
Speaker 6: And I that would I mentioned wild card, that would

976
00:53:33,440 --> 00:53:36,520
Speaker 6: be the ultimate wild card, because they're introducing new technologies

977
00:53:36,560 --> 00:53:38,520
Speaker 6: to us that bring us. I don't think it's the

978
00:53:38,560 --> 00:53:41,719
Speaker 6: alienation thing where they're just as messed up as we

979
00:53:41,760 --> 00:53:46,759
Speaker 6: are and have the same internal and strife and you know,

980
00:53:47,000 --> 00:53:49,440
Speaker 6: because then it's just that doesn't align to me. How

981
00:53:49,440 --> 00:53:51,920
Speaker 6: could they have gotten here so quickly with such advanced

982
00:53:51,960 --> 00:53:55,120
Speaker 6: technology just to be as you know, but then as

983
00:53:55,200 --> 00:53:55,480
Speaker 6: we are.

984
00:53:55,640 --> 00:53:57,840
Speaker 5: That opens up that whole other, you know, line of

985
00:53:57,880 --> 00:54:00,279
Speaker 5: thinking of if they are that advanced and they're going

986
00:54:00,320 --> 00:54:02,719
Speaker 5: to see that. Why do they care? Right right?

987
00:54:02,800 --> 00:54:06,640
Speaker 1: That's the thing. The question then becomes not whether we

988
00:54:06,719 --> 00:54:11,800
Speaker 1: would be capable of recognizing this as sentient life, It

989
00:54:11,840 --> 00:54:14,799
Speaker 1: would be whether it recognizes us as such.

990
00:54:15,320 --> 00:54:18,840
Speaker 5: Mitchillkaku, he was like he was, everyone sees ant hills.

991
00:54:19,080 --> 00:54:22,000
Speaker 5: When's the last time you said, ants, here are beads

992
00:54:22,000 --> 00:54:25,480
Speaker 5: and trinkets. Take me to your your queen. And if

993
00:54:25,480 --> 00:54:28,120
Speaker 5: you do, the ants still know you're talking to them.

994
00:54:28,120 --> 00:54:30,400
Speaker 5: Now is the ant dumb because it doesn't understand English?

995
00:54:30,680 --> 00:54:32,480
Speaker 5: Or is it Are you dumb because you're trying to

996
00:54:32,520 --> 00:54:33,200
Speaker 5: talk to an ant?

997
00:54:33,360 --> 00:54:35,399
Speaker 6: Yeah, I'm dumb because I've got the magnifying glass out

998
00:54:35,400 --> 00:54:36,879
Speaker 6: and I'm trying to burn them with the sun.

999
00:54:37,280 --> 00:54:40,760
Speaker 1: Yeah right. It's just I mean everything gets very quickly

1000
00:54:41,440 --> 00:54:44,000
Speaker 1: to the level of stories from the Old Testament, you

1001
00:54:44,040 --> 00:54:47,239
Speaker 1: know what I mean? Like we can we can we

1002
00:54:47,280 --> 00:54:52,320
Speaker 1: can give favor to these ants and they'll say, oh food,

1003
00:54:52,800 --> 00:54:56,880
Speaker 1: or like oh the other ants that we're killing us

1004
00:54:56,920 --> 00:54:59,640
Speaker 1: are mysteriously gone and the land is poisoned.

1005
00:54:59,680 --> 00:55:02,120
Speaker 5: I just wherever we go, if we're ever in that

1006
00:55:02,320 --> 00:55:04,719
Speaker 5: position to where we can be the ones too out there,

1007
00:55:05,000 --> 00:55:08,200
Speaker 5: we just build pyramids and leave, you know, and so

1008
00:55:08,360 --> 00:55:10,120
Speaker 5: that way for a generation.

1009
00:55:10,440 --> 00:55:12,359
Speaker 1: I mean, that's a power move, you know what I mean.

1010
00:55:13,640 --> 00:55:17,440
Speaker 7: I vote we get weird with It's just confuse the

1011
00:55:17,480 --> 00:55:20,160
Speaker 7: hell out of them. Let's uh, let's let's give uh

1012
00:55:20,239 --> 00:55:26,720
Speaker 7: let's let's give some very basic and wildly arbitrary, irrelevant rules,

1013
00:55:27,200 --> 00:55:30,920
Speaker 7: you know what I mean, Like, uh, let's ban people

1014
00:55:31,000 --> 00:55:33,600
Speaker 7: from doing or let's ban a life form from doing

1015
00:55:33,640 --> 00:55:40,120
Speaker 7: something very specific with its antenna, or and it's got

1016
00:55:40,160 --> 00:55:42,439
Speaker 7: to be something they would normally have never thought of doing.

1017
00:55:42,600 --> 00:55:44,919
Speaker 5: Right. Uh, but you're but you're right.

1018
00:55:45,120 --> 00:55:49,440
Speaker 1: This this span of time, this one thousand years, it

1019
00:55:49,560 --> 00:55:57,520
Speaker 1: inherently includes space exploration at this point, right, very very soon.

1020
00:55:57,880 --> 00:56:00,560
Speaker 1: As far as twenty nineteen went, el on Us was

1021
00:56:00,680 --> 00:56:06,440
Speaker 1: planning to have four ships permanently on a circuit to

1022
00:56:06,560 --> 00:56:09,040
Speaker 1: Mars in the twenty twenty twenty five.

1023
00:56:09,280 --> 00:56:12,399
Speaker 5: Twenty twenty two, they're gonna start sending you Twenty twenty five,

1024
00:56:12,400 --> 00:56:14,520
Speaker 5: I think, is when that's gonna kick into Yeah.

1025
00:56:14,680 --> 00:56:21,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, So even if that estimate is wildly optimistic, which

1026
00:56:21,480 --> 00:56:24,720
Speaker 1: it is, But even if even if it's so wildly

1027
00:56:24,760 --> 00:56:30,160
Speaker 1: optimistic that that doesn't happen until twenty one to twenty five,

1028
00:56:30,480 --> 00:56:34,160
Speaker 1: still another nine hundred years. So if we're going to

1029
00:56:34,400 --> 00:56:36,520
Speaker 1: if we're going to get to space, it is going

1030
00:56:36,600 --> 00:56:40,000
Speaker 1: to be within this time span, which makes it one

1031
00:56:40,000 --> 00:56:44,640
Speaker 1: of the most important eras in human history. And that

1032
00:56:44,680 --> 00:56:48,359
Speaker 1: goes to your your point, John, that will involve us

1033
00:56:48,360 --> 00:56:51,200
Speaker 1: putting out so much noise in the universe, even more

1034
00:56:51,239 --> 00:56:54,399
Speaker 1: than we already have. And we all read those, you know,

1035
00:56:54,480 --> 00:56:59,040
Speaker 1: those kind of bleak dystopian sci fi pieces where we

1036
00:56:59,120 --> 00:57:02,400
Speaker 1: finally get a message from space and it's something cryptic

1037
00:57:02,520 --> 00:57:09,120
Speaker 1: like sh they'll hear you, and that that could be

1038
00:57:09,160 --> 00:57:11,160
Speaker 1: the thing, because we could also find ourselves in a

1039
00:57:11,200 --> 00:57:14,480
Speaker 1: situation we're just speculating. Now, there's not a basis on

1040
00:57:14,520 --> 00:57:16,440
Speaker 1: this as a thought experiment. We can find ourselves in

1041
00:57:16,480 --> 00:57:20,919
Speaker 1: a situation where I would advance. This is more likely

1042
00:57:20,960 --> 00:57:23,880
Speaker 1: the meeting of biological life form, where we find the

1043
00:57:24,000 --> 00:57:30,120
Speaker 1: creations of some other organic life form and they're really

1044
00:57:30,160 --> 00:57:36,440
Speaker 1: into paper clips. We know that Pluto used to be

1045
00:57:36,520 --> 00:57:40,720
Speaker 1: an entire sphere, but it's slowly disintegrating, and then we

1046
00:57:40,800 --> 00:57:43,920
Speaker 1: have that calculator. That's the thing, given what we understand

1047
00:57:44,000 --> 00:57:50,880
Speaker 1: about travel across these impossibly vast distances, unless they're unless

1048
00:57:50,880 --> 00:57:55,160
Speaker 1: they have a propulsion or transit system that redefines our

1049
00:57:55,200 --> 00:57:58,080
Speaker 1: understanding of physics, which they pretty much would have to

1050
00:57:58,600 --> 00:58:02,160
Speaker 1: We would be in one of the worst waiting games ever.

1051
00:58:02,680 --> 00:58:06,160
Speaker 1: We would say, we know something's coming, we know it's

1052
00:58:06,360 --> 00:58:10,240
Speaker 1: not natural. We have four hundred years together.

1053
00:58:10,360 --> 00:58:14,000
Speaker 5: Yeah, so people are gonna spuild religions around that. I

1054
00:58:14,080 --> 00:58:19,800
Speaker 5: mean everything, every I mean mass hysteria.

1055
00:58:18,400 --> 00:58:21,160
Speaker 1: And a lot of a lot of religions that we

1056
00:58:21,200 --> 00:58:26,360
Speaker 1: have back in twenty nineteen. I'm riding this dead horse

1057
00:58:26,440 --> 00:58:31,120
Speaker 1: to the ground. They will have also changed such that

1058
00:58:31,160 --> 00:58:35,240
Speaker 1: they would they may be widely unrecognizable to people practice

1059
00:58:35,280 --> 00:58:39,840
Speaker 1: them today. Right, the Catholic Church has soldiered throughout the

1060
00:58:39,920 --> 00:58:43,440
Speaker 1: years and may well still exist, but may also have

1061
00:58:43,480 --> 00:58:45,040
Speaker 1: a very different set of practices.

1062
00:58:45,160 --> 00:58:48,560
Speaker 5: Well, they've they've come out in years recent and said like, hey,

1063
00:58:48,760 --> 00:58:51,959
Speaker 5: if aliens come, it's it's okay, It's part of God's plan.

1064
00:58:52,000 --> 00:58:54,800
Speaker 5: It's part of the Bible, you know, all inclusive, bringing

1065
00:58:54,840 --> 00:58:55,160
Speaker 5: on in.

1066
00:58:55,520 --> 00:58:57,360
Speaker 6: I whish you would have been burned for not that

1067
00:58:57,400 --> 00:59:00,920
Speaker 6: long ago, the same thing that. But Ben, I think

1068
00:59:00,920 --> 00:59:03,240
Speaker 6: you bring up a really good point, but you can

1069
00:59:03,280 --> 00:59:05,840
Speaker 6: almost take it to the next level, not just religion,

1070
00:59:06,160 --> 00:59:13,640
Speaker 6: but society and species changes. So continuing along the thought experiment,

1071
00:59:13,880 --> 00:59:16,640
Speaker 6: as a society, we're probably a global society by that point.

1072
00:59:16,960 --> 00:59:19,840
Speaker 6: We probably speak one to two languages as a as

1073
00:59:19,880 --> 00:59:23,800
Speaker 6: a group. The rest are dead languages, and we probably

1074
00:59:23,840 --> 00:59:26,280
Speaker 6: you know, one currency for the planet. I mean, these

1075
00:59:26,280 --> 00:59:28,800
Speaker 6: are just things that are almost inevitable over that time period.

1076
00:59:30,440 --> 00:59:33,640
Speaker 6: If that's the case and we are an interplanetary species,

1077
00:59:34,600 --> 00:59:36,960
Speaker 6: we're going to have to do some of the things

1078
00:59:37,000 --> 00:59:42,520
Speaker 6: that we discussed earlier, some gene editing, some addition of cybernetics,

1079
00:59:42,560 --> 00:59:44,760
Speaker 6: things of that nature. We're going to have to change

1080
00:59:44,800 --> 00:59:48,040
Speaker 6: to live in different environments. So there's probably going to

1081
00:59:48,040 --> 00:59:51,320
Speaker 6: be a group of people. They could be living on

1082
00:59:51,320 --> 00:59:54,680
Speaker 6: the ore cloud there. There will be a group of

1083
00:59:54,720 --> 01:00:00,400
Speaker 6: people at living near Proximus century. All all of these

1084
01:00:00,440 --> 01:00:02,960
Speaker 6: people will have had to have changed and could be

1085
01:00:03,040 --> 01:00:05,160
Speaker 6: gone for long enough periods of time because of how

1086
01:00:05,160 --> 01:00:09,919
Speaker 6: long it takes to get there that their heritage there.

1087
01:00:10,360 --> 01:00:14,560
Speaker 6: The way they look, they almost would be disassociate themselves

1088
01:00:14,560 --> 01:00:17,520
Speaker 6: from the history of man. They are their own thing.

1089
01:00:17,720 --> 01:00:20,800
Speaker 1: We have created aliens one thousand years. Hence we have

1090
01:00:20,880 --> 01:00:25,320
Speaker 1: created aliens. The most well known to us are probably Martians, correct,

1091
01:00:25,400 --> 01:00:29,880
Speaker 1: but The lunar people are pretty weird too. They're like

1092
01:00:29,920 --> 01:00:33,480
Speaker 1: the new Florida.

1093
01:00:33,200 --> 01:00:37,440
Speaker 6: Well it's underwater. They had to go somewhere soon, man, Florida.

1094
01:00:37,480 --> 01:00:40,920
Speaker 1: Man, Yeah, by which I meant awesome. And Disney owns it.

1095
01:00:40,480 --> 01:00:46,960
Speaker 1: But that's that's fantastic though, because now we may have.

1096
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Speaker 5: Also it's the weirdest part this.

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Speaker 1: Maybe a thousand years is too small a margin for this,

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01:00:52,760 --> 01:00:56,720
Speaker 1: but what if we had a successful colony on Mars

1099
01:00:56,840 --> 01:01:00,240
Speaker 1: somehow survived, not just survive, but thrived, and then and

1100
01:01:00,440 --> 01:01:06,040
Speaker 1: civilization on Earth collapsed, we entered a dark age. We

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01:01:06,080 --> 01:01:09,800
Speaker 1: had legends about Martians, but they never screwed up to

1102
01:01:09,840 --> 01:01:12,800
Speaker 1: the extent that we did. And they decided to come

1103
01:01:12,880 --> 01:01:18,560
Speaker 1: visit us. They're like, wow, our parents' house is trash.

1104
01:01:19,400 --> 01:01:22,200
Speaker 1: Like that's that would be an alien encounter for us.

1105
01:01:22,280 --> 01:01:26,400
Speaker 1: They would be extraterrestrials, right. But at this point we

1106
01:01:26,440 --> 01:01:30,120
Speaker 1: will have had if we're around it all, we will

1107
01:01:30,160 --> 01:01:35,240
Speaker 1: have had people visiting these places and hopefully living there

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01:01:35,520 --> 01:01:40,680
Speaker 1: on a semi permanent basis very quickly, and I think

1109
01:01:40,720 --> 01:01:44,440
Speaker 1: you raised this point earlier, Brett. They will speciate.

1110
01:01:45,160 --> 01:01:49,600
Speaker 5: That or be completely uploaded into some sort of cybernetic

1111
01:01:50,320 --> 01:01:54,400
Speaker 5: you know, Westworld, right, and then then that negates all

1112
01:01:54,440 --> 01:01:55,160
Speaker 5: of that, you.

1113
01:01:55,120 --> 01:01:58,320
Speaker 1: Know, so we may have we may have a situation

1114
01:01:58,360 --> 01:02:02,520
Speaker 1: where everybody on Earth speaks thus one to two languages.

1115
01:02:02,560 --> 01:02:03,920
Speaker 1: That's incredibly likely.

1116
01:02:04,360 --> 01:02:06,000
Speaker 5: But we may be in.

1117
01:02:05,880 --> 01:02:08,760
Speaker 1: A situation where someone says, okay, I have to use

1118
01:02:08,840 --> 01:02:15,520
Speaker 1: my cybernetic parts to my my in the cloud software

1119
01:02:15,520 --> 01:02:19,880
Speaker 1: programming because I've got to speak with this martian and

1120
01:02:19,880 --> 01:02:22,640
Speaker 1: then who knows what the hell they're talking about.

1121
01:02:22,880 --> 01:02:25,000
Speaker 6: And it becomes even more likely if we play out

1122
01:02:25,000 --> 01:02:29,680
Speaker 6: the scenario we discussed earlier where we're using we start

1123
01:02:29,800 --> 01:02:35,840
Speaker 6: with self replicating robots getting us to other places, and

1124
01:02:35,880 --> 01:02:40,200
Speaker 6: then if we want to go there because we can't

1125
01:02:40,240 --> 01:02:43,280
Speaker 6: survive you know, the five hundred year trip or whatever,

1126
01:02:43,880 --> 01:02:49,160
Speaker 6: we laser shoot our consciousness there. They like Mitchiukaku, you

1127
01:02:49,160 --> 01:02:51,840
Speaker 6: mentioned him earlier, Brent. He talks about a day where

1128
01:02:51,840 --> 01:02:57,840
Speaker 6: we will be cosmic tourists and so oh you want

1129
01:02:57,840 --> 01:03:01,600
Speaker 6: to go, you know, look at this exo planet that is,

1130
01:03:02,160 --> 01:03:05,000
Speaker 6: you know, fifty light years away. We just we shoot

1131
01:03:05,040 --> 01:03:08,440
Speaker 6: through a laser our consciousness there. You've got a robot

1132
01:03:08,440 --> 01:03:10,520
Speaker 6: body waiting there that you rent for the day, and

1133
01:03:10,560 --> 01:03:12,800
Speaker 6: you go look around and see the big volcanoes, and

1134
01:03:12,840 --> 01:03:15,080
Speaker 6: then you shoot to the next planet and so on

1135
01:03:15,120 --> 01:03:17,960
Speaker 6: and so forth. Now taking that a step back, just

1136
01:03:18,000 --> 01:03:22,120
Speaker 6: the ability to get there, but and and shoot a

1137
01:03:22,200 --> 01:03:25,320
Speaker 6: large laser beams, shoot our consciousness there. If we shoot

1138
01:03:25,320 --> 01:03:29,240
Speaker 6: there and the laser, the laser itself could take five

1139
01:03:29,320 --> 01:03:31,720
Speaker 6: hundred years to get there, depending on how far away

1140
01:03:31,720 --> 01:03:34,240
Speaker 6: it is. There's no time involved to you. You get

1141
01:03:34,240 --> 01:03:36,640
Speaker 6: there and then you know, a thousand of your friends,

1142
01:03:36,960 --> 01:03:38,920
Speaker 6: you start a new all of a sudden, now we've

1143
01:03:38,920 --> 01:03:40,520
Speaker 6: got a new species of robot people.

1144
01:03:41,000 --> 01:03:44,560
Speaker 1: Right, and yeah, and we're again we're much more likely,

1145
01:03:44,760 --> 01:03:47,920
Speaker 1: based on what we understand about sentient life, which is

1146
01:03:48,040 --> 01:03:51,040
Speaker 1: very very little, we're much more likely to run into

1147
01:03:51,640 --> 01:03:55,800
Speaker 1: technology of some sort that sentient life created. It's it's

1148
01:03:55,920 --> 01:03:59,800
Speaker 1: the the Geer kind of example from Star Trek, right.

1149
01:04:00,200 --> 01:04:04,160
Speaker 1: And what's fascinating about that is there's a very important

1150
01:04:04,200 --> 01:04:06,480
Speaker 1: step that we can't we can't miss. And I know,

1151
01:04:06,560 --> 01:04:09,880
Speaker 1: as some of us we're listening along, we said, well,

1152
01:04:09,920 --> 01:04:13,960
Speaker 1: all right, send your consciousness through this laser. Robot people

1153
01:04:14,480 --> 01:04:18,280
Speaker 1: come back to Earth, right, return these memories to you know,

1154
01:04:19,120 --> 01:04:23,080
Speaker 1: Matt or John Prime or whatever you call yourselves, to

1155
01:04:23,120 --> 01:04:25,800
Speaker 1: experience that what that means is they're going to have

1156
01:04:25,840 --> 01:04:29,360
Speaker 1: to reverse the cloud process. They're going to take the

1157
01:04:29,480 --> 01:04:33,919
Speaker 1: relationship between neurons mapped out virtually, and they'll see that

1158
01:04:33,960 --> 01:04:37,240
Speaker 1: and see the difference between that, and then have your

1159
01:04:37,240 --> 01:04:41,640
Speaker 1: neurons performed the same dance so that now you can

1160
01:04:41,680 --> 01:04:44,480
Speaker 1: remember these things. And all you had to do was,

1161
01:04:44,840 --> 01:04:48,760
Speaker 1: you know, to wait, switch bodies whatever, repair yourself for

1162
01:04:48,880 --> 01:04:52,920
Speaker 1: five hundreds to one thousand years geese. So it's it's like,

1163
01:04:53,520 --> 01:04:57,080
Speaker 1: you know, it's there's some time involved.

1164
01:04:57,200 --> 01:05:00,240
Speaker 6: I just want to know one thing, how how long

1165
01:05:00,240 --> 01:05:02,040
Speaker 6: will I need to work to build up that kind

1166
01:05:02,080 --> 01:05:02,800
Speaker 6: of time off?

1167
01:05:03,360 --> 01:05:05,360
Speaker 1: No Ah, that's the question.

1168
01:05:05,480 --> 01:05:07,560
Speaker 6: Yeah, I'll I'm gonna put my out of office on

1169
01:05:07,600 --> 01:05:09,000
Speaker 6: I'll be back in a thousand years.

1170
01:05:09,320 --> 01:05:14,680
Speaker 5: Yeah, DMV. Still terrible. It's still terrible.

1171
01:05:15,240 --> 01:05:18,320
Speaker 3: It is crazy to imagine that perhaps one day our

1172
01:05:18,440 --> 01:05:22,000
Speaker 3: species will think of time on that kind of scale.

1173
01:05:22,120 --> 01:05:24,560
Speaker 1: I think we would have won't have to inevitably, or

1174
01:05:24,600 --> 01:05:27,919
Speaker 1: it'll just be an illusory thing.

1175
01:05:28,240 --> 01:05:29,120
Speaker 5: We know that.

1176
01:05:29,120 --> 01:05:34,480
Speaker 1: We'll have a terraforming down pat It will still be

1177
01:05:34,560 --> 01:05:37,240
Speaker 1: it'll be an imperfect science, but we'll have a lot

1178
01:05:37,320 --> 01:05:40,240
Speaker 1: better idea of what we're working with and what the

1179
01:05:40,320 --> 01:05:44,040
Speaker 1: scale is we will have finally answered your earlier question, gentlemen,

1180
01:05:44,240 --> 01:05:47,200
Speaker 1: whether it's better to use a laser or nuclear weapon

1181
01:05:47,760 --> 01:05:51,440
Speaker 1: on the on the poles of Mars. Yes, we'll have

1182
01:05:51,520 --> 01:05:56,200
Speaker 1: new energy sources, some of which we're going to have

1183
01:05:56,320 --> 01:06:03,280
Speaker 1: a difficulty comprehending. In twenty nineteen, harnessing interactions in higher

1184
01:06:03,280 --> 01:06:08,280
Speaker 1: dimensions or different dimensions will also have utility fog.

1185
01:06:09,240 --> 01:06:10,560
Speaker 4: Which is the utility fog.

1186
01:06:10,720 --> 01:06:13,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's like a well thought experiment now, but it's like,

1187
01:06:15,400 --> 01:06:19,040
Speaker 1: so the philosopher's stone in alchemy can transform any substance

1188
01:06:19,040 --> 01:06:22,960
Speaker 1: into any other substance, utility cloud, a utility fog. Rather,

1189
01:06:23,000 --> 01:06:27,320
Speaker 1: it's kind of like a nanotech version of that. You

1190
01:06:27,360 --> 01:06:31,880
Speaker 1: can say, well, I'm I enjoy this domicile, but now

1191
01:06:31,920 --> 01:06:34,240
Speaker 1: I want something a bit more what do they call

1192
01:06:34,320 --> 01:06:38,200
Speaker 1: it Southwestern? I want something with a Pueblo feel. Make

1193
01:06:38,240 --> 01:06:42,400
Speaker 1: it so, and then this fog, these nanobots would just

1194
01:06:42,520 --> 01:06:48,760
Speaker 1: rearrange into whatever they thought you meant. Now Hopefully, hopefully

1195
01:06:48,880 --> 01:06:54,080
Speaker 1: it won't be as fraught with hilarious error as telling

1196
01:06:54,680 --> 01:06:58,840
Speaker 1: your Amazon or your Google Home in twenty nineteen, what

1197
01:06:59,000 --> 01:06:59,720
Speaker 1: song you want to hear?

1198
01:06:59,800 --> 01:07:00,000
Speaker 5: Right?

1199
01:07:00,720 --> 01:07:01,880
Speaker 6: T Oh Gray Hot.

1200
01:07:03,040 --> 01:07:05,400
Speaker 5: It's like it's like a crazy three D printer from

1201
01:07:05,440 --> 01:07:09,480
Speaker 5: the future. Yes, yeah, just a living, breathing three D printer.

1202
01:07:10,400 --> 01:07:14,160
Speaker 6: Well, I just made the quite necessary Star Trek the

1203
01:07:14,200 --> 01:07:18,720
Speaker 6: next generation reference, Yeah, the better series. Sorry, yeah, I know,

1204
01:07:18,800 --> 01:07:22,680
Speaker 6: I just made a hot take. Hot you just started

1205
01:07:22,720 --> 01:07:31,120
Speaker 6: a war, Yes, Kirker Picard, you decide No, they thank you?

1206
01:07:31,560 --> 01:07:32,080
Speaker 5: Uh? They.

1207
01:07:32,920 --> 01:07:35,360
Speaker 6: The one thing we haven't talked about with all of

1208
01:07:35,400 --> 01:07:40,120
Speaker 6: this is, okay, but what if we do achieve faster

1209
01:07:40,200 --> 01:07:42,240
Speaker 6: than light travel, or what if we do find a

1210
01:07:42,240 --> 01:07:44,800
Speaker 6: way to bend space time to where you can you know,

1211
01:07:45,040 --> 01:07:47,880
Speaker 6: warp seven and and we just virus out everywhere.

1212
01:07:47,960 --> 01:07:51,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, that is just in a word, it's gonna be baller. Yeah,

1213
01:07:52,480 --> 01:07:57,760
Speaker 1: because like we can, we will be able to finally

1214
01:07:58,120 --> 01:08:01,280
Speaker 1: confirm things that we have worn wandered about since we

1215
01:08:01,280 --> 01:08:03,280
Speaker 1: were able to wonder about things.

1216
01:08:03,640 --> 01:08:04,479
Speaker 5: Are we rare?

1217
01:08:04,720 --> 01:08:07,800
Speaker 1: Are we alone in the universe? And by the time,

1218
01:08:09,240 --> 01:08:11,400
Speaker 1: by the time we take time out of the equation,

1219
01:08:12,560 --> 01:08:14,360
Speaker 1: which is tricky, but that is the right way to

1220
01:08:14,360 --> 01:08:18,519
Speaker 1: say it in English, then all bets are off. Everything

1221
01:08:18,520 --> 01:08:21,280
Speaker 1: has changed. You know, if you are if you are

1222
01:08:21,320 --> 01:08:24,839
Speaker 1: warping time in space, then you can visit ten nineteen

1223
01:08:24,960 --> 01:08:28,760
Speaker 1: if you so wished it right. I don't know if

1224
01:08:28,800 --> 01:08:31,280
Speaker 1: people would or if we recognize, because now at this

1225
01:08:31,439 --> 01:08:41,400
Speaker 1: point in thirty nineteen, people are recognizable to us, but

1226
01:08:41,720 --> 01:08:46,400
Speaker 1: we are We are early man to them, right, And

1227
01:08:46,479 --> 01:08:50,840
Speaker 1: we use our hands to do things, not out of

1228
01:08:50,840 --> 01:08:53,240
Speaker 1: some sort of fashion statement, but because we have to.

1229
01:08:53,840 --> 01:08:56,000
Speaker 3: We still eat a whole bunch of food.

1230
01:08:56,479 --> 01:08:56,679
Speaker 5: Yeah.

1231
01:08:56,760 --> 01:08:59,720
Speaker 1: No, here's the thing. So we've talked about this in

1232
01:08:59,760 --> 01:09:03,760
Speaker 1: the past. Human beings. Now we think of ourselves as individuals,

1233
01:09:04,000 --> 01:09:10,000
Speaker 1: but we're much closer to cities ourselves, given all the

1234
01:09:10,040 --> 01:09:14,080
Speaker 1: cells that outnumber us, that live inside us. And this

1235
01:09:14,280 --> 01:09:16,840
Speaker 1: trend will continue, and in a thousand years again, if

1236
01:09:16,880 --> 01:09:21,120
Speaker 1: people are still around and nothing super horrific and existential occurs,

1237
01:09:21,600 --> 01:09:26,839
Speaker 1: we are going to redefine. Our privacy will be gone longer.

1238
01:09:26,960 --> 01:09:31,240
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, privacy is a relatively recent notion in twenty nineteen,

1239
01:09:31,600 --> 01:09:34,080
Speaker 1: and that's probably when it started to die now too,

1240
01:09:35,439 --> 01:09:40,040
Speaker 1: But by thirty nineteen, privacy will be a weird alien

1241
01:09:40,080 --> 01:09:42,760
Speaker 1: why would you do that concept? And the concept of

1242
01:09:42,800 --> 01:09:46,479
Speaker 1: the individual will change as well, because the individual will

1243
01:09:46,520 --> 01:09:49,599
Speaker 1: be just the way that our consciousness now is an

1244
01:09:49,640 --> 01:09:53,720
Speaker 1: agglomeration or the sum total of interactions between neurons. We

1245
01:09:53,880 --> 01:09:59,120
Speaker 1: will each individually be a networked node of several different things.

1246
01:09:59,240 --> 01:10:04,160
Speaker 1: You won't just have have one cloud consciousness, You'll have multiple.

1247
01:10:04,200 --> 01:10:08,200
Speaker 1: You'll be a group mind, and at times that group

1248
01:10:08,280 --> 01:10:10,920
Speaker 1: mind might not agree with what you consider.

1249
01:10:10,640 --> 01:10:12,160
Speaker 5: You, which is freaky.

1250
01:10:12,720 --> 01:10:17,400
Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, it's It's something we've always stated in

1251
01:10:17,520 --> 01:10:21,160
Speaker 1: multiple languages throughout ancient history, when people like I'm on

1252
01:10:21,200 --> 01:10:23,280
Speaker 1: the fence, I'm of two minds about that, you will

1253
01:10:23,320 --> 01:10:24,879
Speaker 1: be of several hundred.

1254
01:10:25,200 --> 01:10:29,640
Speaker 3: Right, Well, guys, in the end, no matter, you know,

1255
01:10:29,680 --> 01:10:32,959
Speaker 3: all the things we've discussed so far in this episode,

1256
01:10:33,960 --> 01:10:35,880
Speaker 3: all of us in this room, the four of us,

1257
01:10:35,920 --> 01:10:38,680
Speaker 3: Paul out there, everyone listening in their office right now,

1258
01:10:40,320 --> 01:10:43,040
Speaker 3: and oh, Conspiracy bo I didn't even see you back there.

1259
01:10:43,200 --> 01:10:46,200
Speaker 4: He must be recharging drunk. Oh, that's what it is.

1260
01:10:46,280 --> 01:10:49,120
Speaker 6: They eventually pass out, so all.

1261
01:10:48,960 --> 01:10:51,240
Speaker 3: Of us, you know, in the end, we're all gonna

1262
01:10:51,240 --> 01:10:54,320
Speaker 3: get together in twenty nineteen and decide that our species

1263
01:10:54,400 --> 01:10:57,599
Speaker 3: is going to move forward towards the future. We're gonna

1264
01:10:57,600 --> 01:11:01,080
Speaker 3: steer our planet and our civilization in the direction of

1265
01:11:01,120 --> 01:11:03,439
Speaker 3: a utopian thirty nineteen.

1266
01:11:04,439 --> 01:11:05,639
Speaker 5: Yeah, can we.

1267
01:11:05,600 --> 01:11:07,920
Speaker 1: Get some inspired, inspiring music under that.

1268
01:11:09,000 --> 01:11:14,680
Speaker 3: I'm totally totally kidding, guys, all of the decisions that

1269
01:11:14,760 --> 01:11:18,519
Speaker 3: could lead to any type of utopian future will be

1270
01:11:18,560 --> 01:11:22,240
Speaker 3: made in corporate boardrooms and in government situation rooms, and

1271
01:11:22,280 --> 01:11:25,559
Speaker 3: the decisions will be based on profits and margins and

1272
01:11:25,640 --> 01:11:26,639
Speaker 3: election cycles.

1273
01:11:26,920 --> 01:11:29,040
Speaker 4: The end we fizzle out.

1274
01:11:29,560 --> 01:11:32,280
Speaker 1: I mean for some for some point of time. Oh,

1275
01:11:32,840 --> 01:11:35,640
Speaker 1: I wish we had more time. I find myself this

1276
01:11:35,720 --> 01:11:38,400
Speaker 1: is unusual for us, Matt. I find myself a little

1277
01:11:38,400 --> 01:11:39,440
Speaker 1: bit more optimistic.

1278
01:11:39,520 --> 01:11:40,960
Speaker 4: I think it's because of these guys.

1279
01:11:40,960 --> 01:11:45,320
Speaker 1: It probably is. And speaking of John and Brent, maybe

1280
01:11:45,320 --> 01:11:50,640
Speaker 1: we should maybe we should end on a end on

1281
01:11:50,840 --> 01:11:54,519
Speaker 1: a cooperative new and go around the table. First off, guys,

1282
01:11:54,840 --> 01:11:57,160
Speaker 1: thank you so much for coming on our show on

1283
01:11:57,200 --> 01:12:01,960
Speaker 1: behalf of us and our listeners. Secondly, two questions. We'll

1284
01:12:01,960 --> 01:12:06,800
Speaker 1: start with you John. One, what of the things we've

1285
01:12:06,840 --> 01:12:10,760
Speaker 1: examined day, what do you find most exciting? And two,

1286
01:12:10,840 --> 01:12:13,400
Speaker 1: what do you find most terrifying? Oh, if you had to.

1287
01:12:13,400 --> 01:12:15,479
Speaker 6: Choose, let me do an reverse order. I think the

1288
01:12:15,560 --> 01:12:21,599
Speaker 6: most terrifying is the idea of moving from where we

1289
01:12:21,640 --> 01:12:28,280
Speaker 6: are to that next phase two where we become a

1290
01:12:28,479 --> 01:12:33,280
Speaker 6: first or second class civilization according to the Karda chev scale.

1291
01:12:33,800 --> 01:12:37,240
Speaker 6: I think the road between here and there is littered

1292
01:12:37,280 --> 01:12:39,679
Speaker 6: with a lot of potholes that could that could be

1293
01:12:41,280 --> 01:12:44,439
Speaker 6: really really take us off track and could become one

1294
01:12:44,439 --> 01:12:47,320
Speaker 6: of those existential threats, whichever one you want to talk about.

1295
01:12:47,600 --> 01:12:49,479
Speaker 6: I mean, I think they're all just as likely as

1296
01:12:49,760 --> 01:12:53,760
Speaker 6: one's just as likely as another. You know, That's what

1297
01:12:53,960 --> 01:12:57,320
Speaker 6: that's the most terrifying part, because and the reason that's

1298
01:12:57,360 --> 01:13:00,920
Speaker 6: the most terrifying is I'm a pretty big optimist when

1299
01:13:00,920 --> 01:13:03,360
Speaker 6: it comes to these things. I think a lot of

1300
01:13:03,400 --> 01:13:07,040
Speaker 6: negative human behavior is driven by need and necessity. Certainly

1301
01:13:07,120 --> 01:13:09,559
Speaker 6: some people are driven by power, but that power is

1302
01:13:09,640 --> 01:13:13,000
Speaker 6: rooted in the power that other people will give to them.

1303
01:13:13,479 --> 01:13:17,599
Speaker 6: And if the masses are fairly happy, they're not going

1304
01:13:17,680 --> 01:13:21,400
Speaker 6: to allow a tyrant to run them in just my

1305
01:13:21,560 --> 01:13:24,920
Speaker 6: one guy's thought. So I think that if we are

1306
01:13:25,000 --> 01:13:27,160
Speaker 6: able to get to eight thousand years from now, and

1307
01:13:27,200 --> 01:13:30,439
Speaker 6: we have made it past these existential threats, I do

1308
01:13:30,479 --> 01:13:33,080
Speaker 6: see a little bit more utopian. I think we'll be

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Speaker 6: interacting with other alien species, and I think it will

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Speaker 6: we will be a multiplanetary, perhaps multi galaxial if that's

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Speaker 6: not a word I just made it up. Sound's pretty

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Speaker 6: cool species. And I think it could be a really

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Speaker 6: really cool future.

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Speaker 4: We just got to get there.

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Speaker 5: I think for me, the thing that is the most

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Speaker 5: exciting is the thought of the exploration out there, what

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Speaker 5: we could do. You know, It's one of those things

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Speaker 5: you can just shut your brain off and think and

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Speaker 5: there's really no wrong answers because we don't know.

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Speaker 4: And that's what's awesome.

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Speaker 5: The scariest part of that ties into that too, is

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Speaker 5: I'm still hung up on the whole uploading of our

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Speaker 5: consciousness and what we will be if in a thousand years,

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Speaker 5: for us to be able to do those things, will

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Speaker 5: we still be human?

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Speaker 3: You know?

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Speaker 5: And you know that's what's a mean to be human?

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Speaker 5: You know. I think it's the big question. And for

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Speaker 5: us to be able to explore the cosmos, to go

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Speaker 5: out to survive, we're gonna have to make a lot

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Speaker 5: of changes, you know, internally, externally physically, and what that

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Speaker 5: does to us is a big question mark to me.

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Speaker 3: Wow, Well, gentlemen, thank you so much for coming on

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Speaker 3: the show.

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Speaker 5: Well, thank you for having us all last.

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Speaker 3: Just why don't you tell everybody a little bit more

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Speaker 3: about hysteria fifty one where they can find you, what

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Speaker 3: they should be listening to and everything.

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Speaker 6: So if you haven't listened to Hysteria fifty one. We

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Speaker 6: talk about a lot of stuff like this, conspiracy theories, UFOs,

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Speaker 6: the unexplained, the unexplored. We do it a little bit

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Speaker 6: differently in that our third host is not NOL.

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Speaker 4: That'd be weird, but it.

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Speaker 5: Yeah.

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Speaker 6: Our third host is an angry robot who you see

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Speaker 6: here in the corner named conspiracy Bot, and Brent built

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Speaker 6: him in his lab to help edit and produce the show. Instead,

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Speaker 6: he just get drunks, he just pardon me. Instead, he

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Speaker 6: just gets drunk and threatens to take over the world.

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Speaker 6: Though he's kind of run by like a for eighty

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Speaker 6: six computer, so it's not a big threat. Okay, he's

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Speaker 6: not an existential threat. But yeah, and you can find

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Speaker 6: us wherever you listen to your podcast, our website Hysteria

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Speaker 6: fifty one dot com.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, just anywhere on Facebook, Twitter, you know, Instagram, smoke signal,

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Speaker 5: We'll get to you.

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Speaker 1: And you have his Hysteria Nation Steri Nation, and yeah,

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Speaker 1: you can search for that on Facebook.

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Speaker 5: That's our discussion group and it's pretty active, so we

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Speaker 5: have a lot of fun in there. You can you

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01:15:52,479 --> 01:15:55,320
Speaker 5: can tell us you know that we're wrong. You can

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Speaker 5: also do it.

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Speaker 1: You can also occasionally catch one of us matter myself

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Speaker 1: popping in on Hysteria Nation because we are also fans

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Speaker 1: of the show.

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Speaker 3: That's right, and check out just while we're here, everyone listening,

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Speaker 3: check out our Facebook group. Here's where it gets crazy.

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Speaker 3: Just again, anything you want to talk about in the show.

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Speaker 3: You've got a questions for these guys, Let's just all

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Speaker 3: have a discussion. Let's talk about the future. Let's talk

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Speaker 3: about how none of it's going to be good.

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Speaker 4: In my opinion, is.

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Speaker 5: It such a doubter? It's like, what's the future?

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Speaker 1: Oh God, as Matt shakes his fist at the sky

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Speaker 1: and the inevitable slow grind of what we recognize today

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Speaker 1: as time. We reached the end of our episode, but

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Speaker 1: not the end of our show. Tune into our next episode, which,

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Speaker 1: without laying any spoilers because we're not quite sure which

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Speaker 1: what we're gonna do yet, is going to be very

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Speaker 1: very very very strange.

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Speaker 3: And positive, so positive.

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Speaker 6: Oh it's so good.

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Speaker 1: Angel farts trumpets, Yeah, nice, like slow jack a numbers whatever.

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Speaker 1: But in the meantime, we'd like to hear from you.

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Speaker 1: You are indeed our favorite part of the show. No offense, John,

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01:17:08,120 --> 01:17:09,080
Speaker 1: No offense, Brent.

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Speaker 3: And that's the end of this classic episode. If you

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Speaker 3: have any thoughts or questions about this episode, you can

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