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Speaker 2: three DP show. Timberwolf said goodbye to the Lakers, the Rockets,

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Speaker 2: roll the Warriors. I walked in today. First person I

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Speaker 2: see is Marvin, and Marvin says the following, you're going

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Speaker 2: to apologize I said about what You know what I said? No,

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Speaker 2: you know what you said? I go, wait, is this

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Speaker 2: about Rudy Gobert. Yes, you're called ing the most overrated

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Speaker 2: player in the NBA. I'd like to take this moment

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Speaker 2: going to stare into the camera to Rudy Gobert. I

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Speaker 2: apologize for saying you're the most overrated player in the NBA.

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Speaker 2: For one mind, It's a temporary apology, very very temporary.

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Speaker 2: Rudy Gobert looks like a chem Elijahwan, he looked like Shack.

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Speaker 2: He looked like Tim Duncan. Rudy Gobert had twenty seven

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Speaker 2: points and twenty four rebounds. Excuse yes, I said the

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Speaker 2: same thing. He dominated twelve to fifteen from the floor.

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Speaker 2: He's the third player in the last fifty years to

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Speaker 2: have a twenty twenty in a playoff game while shooting

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Speaker 2: at least eighty percent from the floor, he was great.

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Speaker 2: The rest of the timber Wolves not so good, and

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Speaker 2: they still won. The Lakers shot better from two point

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Speaker 2: three point free throw line, and they ended up losing,

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Speaker 2: and you say goodbye to the Lakers what could have been?

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Speaker 2: But to Rudy Gobert, once again, congratulations on a wonderful

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Speaker 2: performance against a front line that I think I probably

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Speaker 2: could have gotten ten rebounds. But once again, I mean,

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Speaker 2: come on, Lakers had no big guy. Rudy Gobert should

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Speaker 2: have been dominant, just rebound wise, just rebounding, that's all.

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Speaker 2: He should have twenty rebounds every game against the Lakers.

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Speaker 2: He should have. But once again, to Rudy Gobert, congratulations

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Speaker 2: on a wonderful, wonderful performance. Did that seem sincere not

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Speaker 2: feeling the sincerity You're not.

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Speaker 3: Because he went out you want to say it, well,

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Speaker 3: for one night anywhere, you did that, and you're expected

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Speaker 3: to do that anyway.

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Speaker 2: Other than that, and you know fake sincerity. Okay, yes, Marvin.

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Speaker 3: But Rudy's still one of the most overrated, not just

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Speaker 3: not the most overrating.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, yeah, absolutely absolutely, Congratulations the Timberwolves. They advance

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Speaker 2: as they dust off the Lakers. For one, and as

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Speaker 2: we always do, we don't look at the team that's advancing.

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Speaker 2: We look at the team that's going off into the sunset.

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Speaker 2: The question is is Lebron going off into the sunset

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Speaker 2: as well? He was asked about his future after the loss.

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Speaker 2: Do you have that, Marvin?

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Speaker 3: He talks about JJ Redicks season.

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Speaker 2: Oh, okay. I thought that he was asked about his

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Speaker 2: future there.

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Speaker 4: I think JJ are going to continue to grow. I

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Speaker 4: thought he had a hell of a rookie campaign for

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Speaker 4: a rookie coach. That's already hard being a rookie coach

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Speaker 4: in NBA, and it's a hell of a lot harder

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Speaker 4: being a rookie head coach coaching the Lakers. It's a

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Speaker 4: a whole another ballgame. And I thought he handled it

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Speaker 4: extremely well. I thought he I just learned every single day.

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Speaker 4: He held us accountable, he pushed us. I thought JJ

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Speaker 4: and his coach Stab were great.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. I thought that he had a really good regular season.

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Speaker 2: I don't think he did well in this series. I

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Speaker 2: think he was all in on the previous game and

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Speaker 2: he thought, if we win this game, we can win

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Speaker 2: the series. If we don't win this game. We're not

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Speaker 2: going to win this series. That was just my feeling.

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Speaker 2: If you're watching it in real time and you're thinking, Okay,

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Speaker 2: they might win this game, and then they didn't, and

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Speaker 2: then I wonder what the aftershocks would be, and we

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Speaker 2: saw that Minnesota didn't play well at all. It's just

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Speaker 2: the Lakers have no bench. Now you're really reliant on

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Speaker 2: relying on Lebron James, and it's not fair to Lebron

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Speaker 2: to say, hey, you still have to be one of

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Speaker 2: the ten best players in the game. I think if

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Speaker 2: he comes back, I think you're going to have to

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Speaker 2: look at how do you monitor his minutes here? And

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Speaker 2: it might be one of those situations like the San

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Speaker 2: Antonio Spurs.

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Speaker 5: Used to do.

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Speaker 2: They didn't care about the regular season. This is about

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Speaker 2: the postseason. How many minutes you play and how fresh

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Speaker 2: are you going to be in the postseason. I think

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Speaker 2: Lebron his ego gets in the way. He wants to

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Speaker 2: prove that he can play every single night and he's

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Speaker 2: going to play as many minutes as possible. Now I

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Speaker 2: admire that. I want to see the stars play, But

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Speaker 2: I also have to factor in. What is the ultimate goal,

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Speaker 2: Not to prove that you can play more games than

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Speaker 2: guys who were twenty years younger than you. It's to

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Speaker 2: prove how great you are when you get to the postseason,

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Speaker 2: because that's how he's measured. The regular season doesn't matter. Okay,

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Speaker 2: you get another All Star appearance, all right, you score

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Speaker 2: a couple thousand points, you add to your forty thousand

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Speaker 2: points or assist or whatever it might be. This is

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Speaker 2: about winning a championship. And I wonder how close he

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Speaker 2: thinks they really are. The West is young, Okase, he's

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Speaker 2: not going anywhere. You're seeing a Houston Rockets team that's young.

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Speaker 2: Might get Kevin Durant, might be the missing piece for

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Speaker 2: them in the offseason, but they might beat the Golden

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Speaker 2: they shut down Steph Curry. So you start to look

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Speaker 2: around and you go, Okay, where do we fit here?

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Speaker 2: And if I'm a Laker fan, I think we're kind

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Speaker 2: were doing when they had an eight game winning streak.

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Speaker 2: They had a stretch there where they were playing great defense,

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Speaker 2: and it felt like there was a collaboration going on.

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Speaker 2: It wasn't just two players. There was a true collaboration.

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Speaker 2: But then as you get to the postseason, coaches really

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Speaker 2: start to limit the number of players who contribute. You

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Speaker 2: might go seven deep, maybe eight, But the Lakers, I

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Speaker 2: think JJ Reddick looked at that bench and he went,

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Speaker 2: I don't want to put those guys in. You know,

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Speaker 2: you don't have confidence in them, But if you put

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Speaker 2: him in, then they can gain confidence. So that's what

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Speaker 2: I didn't understand. But JJ Reddick he was testing. So pregame,

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Speaker 2: this is a pregame press conference, and he was asked

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Speaker 2: about what happened with the lack of substitutions previous game.

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Speaker 6: What do you.

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Speaker 7: Recall about your thought process in the moment sticking with

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Speaker 7: the five you stuck with in the fourth quarter the

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Speaker 7: other day? And is there an assistant or someone maybe

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Speaker 7: that you'll on tonight maybe to try to get you know,

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Speaker 7: some other guys involved if that opportunity presents.

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Speaker 4: Are you saying that because I'm inexperienced and that was

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Speaker 4: an inexperienced decision that I made. Do you think I

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Speaker 4: don't talk to my assistance about substitutions every single time out.

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Speaker 7: No, I just think there's a lot of coaches leaning

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Speaker 7: on their assistance in those situations as.

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Speaker 5: Do every single time. That's a weird assumption.

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Speaker 2: And then he walked out, So that's pregame tension running

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Speaker 2: a little high there. I think it's a fair question

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Speaker 2: to ask. I think you can ask it in a

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Speaker 2: better way. But I do think the topic is fair

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Speaker 2: because of what we just saw. Yeah, if it didn't

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Speaker 2: strike me as that unfair of a of a question. Plus,

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Speaker 2: I don't know why the reporter should assume the other

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Speaker 2: way either, the reporter should assume that he just does

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Speaker 2: everything that we think he does.

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Speaker 8: I mean, it doesn't seem like that crazy of a question.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, PAULI, I.

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Speaker 9: Disagree, just to the phrasing of the question is fine,

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Speaker 9: but it feels like they're doing a preview of the

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Speaker 9: next game in this press conference, not even the last

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Speaker 9: night see him, but the following. That's that's what it's

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Speaker 9: meant for for quotes for after And this is a

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Speaker 9: three day old story, two day old story, and Reddick

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Speaker 9: is probably like we're still talking about this now. That said,

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Speaker 9: he could have blown it off with a pat answer easily.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. But you know that's just if you watch JJ

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Speaker 2: when he was doing his TV work at the Mothership,

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Speaker 2: he if he if he got bored with you or

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Speaker 2: he was going to dismiss you, he could get combative,

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Speaker 2: like he didn't suffer fools. He's like, oh God, this

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Speaker 2: guy's going to tell me about substituting. Okay, I got it.

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Speaker 2: Now that makes you a great media guy, not necessarily

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Speaker 2: a great head coach. But the topic I thought was fair.

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Speaker 2: And we saw the bench scored four points. There weren't substitutions,

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Speaker 2: and I think you had a tired team. Now I

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Speaker 2: look at this a couple of different ways because you

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Speaker 2: have Lebron how many more years? And Lebron said after

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Speaker 2: he's not sure, he's not sure what's going to happen here.

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Speaker 2: It feels like there's one more year there. I think

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Speaker 2: I think you owe it to the possibility of you

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Speaker 2: and Luca having an entire offseason, training camp, an entire

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Speaker 2: regular season together. JJ Reddick's second year Austin Reeves is

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Speaker 2: a you know, a really good player, but you start

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Speaker 2: to look at the other players on the roster and

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Speaker 2: you're going, are you going to develop them? Can you

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Speaker 2: get somebody in there. I think it's difficult. You know,

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Speaker 2: Lebron's going to make sixty million dollars and probably sixty

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Speaker 2: million dollars attached to that because he's still playing basketball

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Speaker 2: with endorsements. If you're Luca, do you want to be

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Speaker 2: the centerpiece? Are you going to be the guy when

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Speaker 2: Lebron leaves in a year? Are you ready for that?

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Speaker 2: Here's Luca after the game last night.

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Speaker 10: I mean, it's been great, honestly. You know, the way

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Speaker 10: the fans accept to me, you know, he's been amazing.

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Speaker 10: The way the community said to me has been amazing.

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Speaker 10: So I'm really glad that I'm here. Had a great

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Speaker 10: a couple of months, you know, trying to learn about

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Speaker 10: everything about the city, about the team, so just trying

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Speaker 10: to process everything.

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Speaker 2: All right, So he's got one more year on his deal,

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Speaker 2: then does he want to be there? He's going to

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Speaker 2: get paid, He'll be the centerpiece there, And then you

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Speaker 2: start to look at that trade. Who won in that trade?

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Speaker 2: I downas god Anthony Davis, Lakers got Luca. Both are

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Speaker 2: out moving forward and this I think I would have

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Speaker 2: a better answer in a year. If you said after

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Speaker 2: next year, I think then I'm going to create the trade. Now,

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Speaker 2: that's not fair because we want to grade a trade

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Speaker 2: right away. But if I said to you, you could

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Speaker 2: have had Luca or you could have Yanis if you're

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Speaker 2: the Lakers. So if you knew that the Mavericks were

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Speaker 2: How would your dad have reacted if you did something

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Speaker 12: That's all that needs the information, right. We don't ever

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Speaker 2: Let's revisit the draft because I don't know how good

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Speaker 12: That's why they were the greatest of all time. Right,

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Speaker 12: Joe Montana might be the one out of the top ten,

431
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Speaker 12: top fifteen quarterbacks of all time where you'd go. He

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Speaker 12: might not have an elite physical trade, but he had

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Speaker 12: a lot of good traits and he had some other

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Speaker 12: intangibles that brought him over the top. Cam Ward rocket

435
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Speaker 12: arm right, can throw it anyway you want, side arm,

436
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Speaker 12: over the top, whatever phenomenal in the pocket, seize the

437
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Speaker 12: field well, can make place outside of the pocket. Throw

438
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Speaker 12: the ball on the run as good as you're gonna find.

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Speaker 12: So to answer that question, and let's go back to

440
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Speaker 12: last year's draft, cam Ward would have been in the

441
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Speaker 12: mix for my money up there. I still probably would

442
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Speaker 12: have had Caleb Williams and Jayden Daniels number two, but

443
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Speaker 12: I think if I was fair to where I was

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Speaker 12: at last year in my evaluation, I think cam Ward

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Speaker 12: would have been my third quarterback in that class. Last

446
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Speaker 12: year so that's what I think of him. He's legit,

447
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Speaker 12: is what I'm saying.

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Speaker 2: Who is the second best quarterback in this draft?

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Speaker 5: That's the great question, right. I'm not in love with

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Speaker 5: any of them.

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Speaker 12: I'm on record on my podcast Pro Football Talk going

452
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Speaker 12: if I was a GM, I really wouldn't want to

453
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Speaker 12: stake my claim or name to any of these guys

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Speaker 12: for the future of my organization. I like Jackson Dart

455
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Speaker 12: He's good, but I don't I'm not like wowed by it.

456
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Speaker 12: Same with Tyler Schuck, same with Shador Sanders. On the field,

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Speaker 12: I still like Shador Sanders more I do. I'm a

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Speaker 12: fan of Shador and what he does there. But I

459
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Speaker 12: said from the start too, I wouldn't want to take

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Speaker 12: him in the top I really wouldn't want to take

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Speaker 12: him in the top twenty, and I was very aware

462
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Speaker 12: that he might fall and do that. But yeah, I

463
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Speaker 12: don't love that group. To me again, they're maybe borderline starters.

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Speaker 12: I think in my heart of hearts, I look at

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Speaker 12: him to think maybe they're great backups as we go

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Speaker 12: on here through through the to the future, we'll see

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Speaker 12: where it goes.

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Speaker 5: But yeah, cam Mood is the only guy I really

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Speaker 5: loved here.

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Speaker 2: What are the Cleveland Browns doing?

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Speaker 12: It's a great question. First off, what stinks is an

472
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Speaker 12: amazing draft. They have an amazing draft, but we can't

473
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Speaker 12: talk about it because we're just gonna talk about one guy, right,

474
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Speaker 12: And you know, Chador has of course been the center

475
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Speaker 12: of attention here where Cleveland messes up a lot of times,

476
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Speaker 12: and they do a lot of good here too. But

477
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Speaker 12: to me, there they let analytics drive their organization and

478
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Speaker 12: their team more than any other organization in football. And

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Speaker 12: I've asked Andrew Berry that flat out and he's told me, yeah,

480
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Speaker 12: that's fair to say, Chris, you're not off there on

481
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Speaker 12: saying that.

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Speaker 5: And what to me were they up? Sometimes?

483
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Speaker 12: Is the human aspect When you follow numbers and formulas

484
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Speaker 12: all the time, you knew lose the fact of wait, hey,

485
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Speaker 12: the numbers the value. That's all great, but what is

486
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Speaker 12: it going to do to the value of our team

487
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Speaker 12: when every day everybody in the locker.

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Speaker 5: Room's gonna go, how'd the quarterbacks do? What happened? How

489
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Speaker 5: did shadur do? How did Dylan Gabriel do? Hey?

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Speaker 12: And then it's Mary cat It's Mary Kay Cabot and

491
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Speaker 12: every person in.

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Speaker 5: The Cleveland media.

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Speaker 12: Hey, well the quarterback quarterback, Hey Miles Garrett, the hell

494
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Speaker 12: with the rest of the team. How did the quarterbacks

495
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Speaker 12: then go today? Then it's going to overtake their organization.

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Speaker 12: And this is let they've fallen in that trap with

497
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Speaker 12: Deshaun Watson lost a human aspect. They kind of fell

498
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Speaker 12: in that trap with Johnny Manzel, and that to me

499
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Speaker 12: is one of the issues. At least I see here

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Speaker 12: from the outside looking in.

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Speaker 2: I you're not winning now. I wouldn't have re signed

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Speaker 2: Miles Garrett. I think they truly tried to see if

503
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Speaker 2: they could trade him, but you got the Deshaun Watson situation.

504
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Speaker 2: Not going away. Travis Hunter would have been a hey,

505
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Speaker 2: there's the future. We have some thing that nobody else

506
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Speaker 2: has and we can we can show him off on

507
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Speaker 2: both sides of the ball. I would have gone after

508
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Speaker 2: Shador Sanders in the third round instead of Dylan Gabriel.

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Speaker 2: I think, I mean, I just thought, why not try

510
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Speaker 2: this because you've tried other things and it hasn't worked out.

511
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Speaker 2: Travis Hunter, it you know you got something that is

512
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Speaker 2: a tune in factor. There's no tune in factor here,

513
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Speaker 2: at least not right now. Miles Garrett's a Hall of Famer.

514
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Speaker 2: But I don't know if you gather the kids and say, hey,

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Speaker 2: Miles Garrett's on the field, No.

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Speaker 12: I think you're right right now, Cleveland. Everyone's going, hey, kids,

517
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Speaker 12: watch Cleveland. Let's see how they figure out or screw

518
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Speaker 12: up this whole quarterback situation with their whole team. Right now,

519
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Speaker 12: they're a little bit into that. I'm with you in

520
00:27:45,040 --> 00:27:47,920
Speaker 12: a little of I certainly thought, hey, maybe it's time

521
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Speaker 12: to tear the band aid off, trade Miles Garrett, start

522
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Speaker 12: a new era, get assets, get picks, get some money

523
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Speaker 12: back because you're still stuck with the Deshaun Watson thing,

524
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Speaker 12: and rebuild your football team.

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Speaker 5: Now, I think think one they're trying to go.

526
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Speaker 12: A little bit of we're gonna rebuild our football team

527
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Speaker 12: on the fly while trying to stay competitive.

528
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Speaker 5: At least that's what it looks like to me.

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Speaker 12: And they do still have some things on their roster

530
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Speaker 12: where you go, that's pretty good. But do I look

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Speaker 12: at it and go, oh, you're gonna make a run

532
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Speaker 12: in the AFC playoffs or do something like that.

533
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Speaker 5: Absolutely not. I do not.

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Speaker 12: So yeah, I would have been more in favor of

535
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Speaker 12: that as well. Now the Travis Hunter thing. I hear

536
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Speaker 12: what you're saying. I get you, and he definitely would

537
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Speaker 12: have been like a household name, and let's see what

538
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Speaker 12: they do and how he does things there too. But

539
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Speaker 12: what they got in that trade was pretty special. They

540
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Speaker 12: got a trade haul of basically like somebody traded up

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Speaker 12: for a franchise quarterback to get him, and I'm not

542
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Speaker 12: gonna fault them for that. And then they got a

543
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Speaker 12: bunch of good players after that, certainly, So.

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Speaker 5: We'll see where this goes. But it feels like to me,

545
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Speaker 5: they're like, hey, we're kind of good enough.

546
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Speaker 12: We're gonna kind of try to stay competitive and maybe

547
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Speaker 12: we can still sneak into the playoffs here.

548
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Speaker 5: But I want to go I don't know. I think

549
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Speaker 5: that's kinda far fetched.

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Speaker 2: Okay, but this was brought up, brought to my attention yesterday.

551
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Speaker 2: If I'm Jacksonville and I traded for Travis Hunter, I

552
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Speaker 2: basically got two first round picks with Travis Hunter. So

553
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Speaker 2: he's a first round pick as a receiver. First round

554
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Speaker 2: pick is the defensive back. I have to look at

555
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Speaker 2: it that way that even next year we're going to

556
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Speaker 2: be better. That draft pick might be twenty third, but

557
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Speaker 2: our our first round draft pick next year, is Travis

558
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Speaker 2: Hunter as the defensive back. Maybe it was Travis Hunter

559
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Speaker 2: as the wide receiver. I don't I don't have a

560
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Speaker 2: problem with them viewing it that way, that they got

561
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Speaker 2: something that is a tune in factor. You're in the

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Speaker 2: entertainment business.

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Speaker 12: Right, you know. Yeah, yeah, I'm not mad at you.

564
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Speaker 12: You're you're saying things. I don't disagree with what you're

565
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Speaker 12: saying there. Jacksonville has something now that we all go,

566
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Speaker 12: damn Travis Hunter.

567
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Speaker 5: Huh. And let's just not forget too.

568
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Speaker 12: The number one reason the guy Liam Cohene was hired

569
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Speaker 12: was to go, wait, fix our fifty five million dollar,

570
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Speaker 12: number one paid player on our team who's supposed to

571
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Speaker 12: carry the franchise.

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Speaker 5: Yes, so within that that is that too. Now we'll

573
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Speaker 5: see where it all goes.

574
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Speaker 12: Travis Hunter, though, I will say this, Dan, I think

575
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Speaker 12: he's a receiver.

576
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Speaker 5: And you're hearing that right now.

577
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Speaker 12: They're gonna let him start a receiver that he could

578
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Speaker 12: be a guy that gets eighty one hundred receptions right

579
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Speaker 12: off the bat first year corner. Right, He's not an outside,

580
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Speaker 12: shut down island man corner.

581
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Speaker 5: He can't do that.

582
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Speaker 12: The good receivers in football will torch him on the outside.

583
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Speaker 12: He's gonna have to be kind of like a zone

584
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Speaker 12: nickel safety hybrid type of guy. Okay, right, so we'll

585
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Speaker 12: see where that all goes.

586
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Speaker 5: It's gonna be interesting. We've seen nothing like this before,

587
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Speaker 5: so it's kind of awesome.

588
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Speaker 2: Given what the Steelers did or didn't do in the

589
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Speaker 2: draft leads you to believe what are they going to

590
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Speaker 2: have in the quarterback room.

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Speaker 12: Yeah, it makes me believe that Aaron Rodgers is going

592
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Speaker 12: to be there and that they know that, and there's

593
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Speaker 12: kind of a wink wink, nod nod deal whatever Rogers

594
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Speaker 12: has said. He's got some you know, off the field

595
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Speaker 12: issues he's got to deal with whatever it is. I

596
00:30:56,440 --> 00:30:58,280
Speaker 12: don't know, or he just going, wait, I don't need

597
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Speaker 12: to be there every waking moment in late April and

598
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Speaker 12: early May, and let me just come in a little

599
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Speaker 12: bit later and get my body right and rehab the

600
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Speaker 12: way I want. But yes, I think they're looking at

601
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Speaker 12: it and they're expecting Aaron Rodgers to be there, and

602
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Speaker 12: they're a team that's looking at it to go. And

603
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Speaker 12: what the draft told me is that they want to

604
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Speaker 12: be good this year and they're going to try to

605
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Speaker 12: make a run at this thing in the AFC.

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Speaker 5: That's what at least I see right now.

607
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Speaker 2: Do you think that Aaron Rodgers And I don't know

608
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Speaker 2: if he has the power to say this to Mike Tomlin,

609
00:31:26,200 --> 00:31:29,640
Speaker 2: but he could suggest, Hey, I'm not going to sign

610
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Speaker 2: until after the draft, or I'm not coming in until

611
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Speaker 2: after the draft. I want to make sure that you

612
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Speaker 2: don't take a quarterback early. You don't take a quarterback

613
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Speaker 2: with the twenty first pick. You don't take Shador Sanders,

614
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Speaker 2: you don't take Jackson Dark because he doesn't want to

615
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Speaker 2: be in a situation where if he struggles, then all

616
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Speaker 2: of a sudden people are going to say, hey, when

617
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Speaker 2: are you going to put in the rookie?

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Speaker 5: I mean, you know, I don't know. I don't think

619
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Speaker 5: he would do that. I don't.

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Speaker 12: I think Pittsburgh's looking at it like we're in when

621
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Speaker 12: now mode overall.

622
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Speaker 5: And I think two, he's smart enough.

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Speaker 12: They're smart enough that they probably led him to believe

624
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Speaker 12: that that wasn't going to be part of the scenario.

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Speaker 12: No matter what, if we draft a quarterback, it might

626
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Speaker 12: be in later rounds. Don't worry, It'll be no threat

627
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Speaker 12: to you or whatever. So I think they've done whatever

628
00:32:12,600 --> 00:32:15,440
Speaker 12: they've had to do. And then yes, with the draft itself,

629
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Speaker 12: the de tackle, the running back, the DN from Ohio State,

630
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Speaker 12: and of course we know there are a damn good

631
00:32:21,120 --> 00:32:23,880
Speaker 12: team anyways, and now they got DK Metcalf and we'll

632
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Speaker 12: see where all that goes. I think they're being very

633
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Speaker 12: honest and have probably led him in the right place here.

634
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Speaker 12: That's why it'll happen here any day or any month

635
00:32:32,200 --> 00:32:32,640
Speaker 12: here soon.

636
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Speaker 2: You played, you were on the staff with Bill Belichick?

637
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Speaker 2: What do you make of his start there at North

638
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Speaker 2: Carolina so far?

639
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Speaker 12: I want to go and go, who are you? And

640
00:32:46,440 --> 00:32:48,560
Speaker 12: what did you do with Bill Belichick? That's what I

641
00:32:48,600 --> 00:32:50,880
Speaker 12: want to do. Where did the guy go that would

642
00:32:50,920 --> 00:32:53,400
Speaker 12: never do any of these things ever? And it's kind

643
00:32:53,400 --> 00:32:56,320
Speaker 12: of been a year long tour of that. I don't

644
00:32:56,320 --> 00:32:58,840
Speaker 12: talk to the media. I'm onto Cincinnati, But now I'm

645
00:32:58,880 --> 00:32:59,960
Speaker 12: out of the game and I'm going to be on

646
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Speaker 12: every media show in the world and do things that

647
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Speaker 12: I used.

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Speaker 5: To not like to do when people did to me.

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Speaker 12: And I'm going to dissect and question the coach that

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Speaker 12: took over for me in New England. So I didn't

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Speaker 12: love any of that necessarily, right, And yes it's a

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Speaker 12: little awkward. I mean, I don't know. I mean, yeah,

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Speaker 12: just the whole situation with his girlfriend, how it's being

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Speaker 12: handled there. I just feel like, gosh, if anybody around

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Speaker 12: Bill Belichick, you know, ten years ago and this was

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Speaker 12: going on somewhere else, people would be like, man, Bill

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Speaker 12: or the New England staff's like, what the hell is

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Speaker 12: this team doing with this?

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Speaker 5: And the girlfriend running interviews and all that.

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Speaker 12: So it's all a little awkward to me right now

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Speaker 12: down there at North Carolina.

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Speaker 2: Well, Rons Tucker, who played in New England for I

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Speaker 2: think two years, said that Bill controlled everything. He what's

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Speaker 2: in the monitors in the hallway or the lunch like everything, right,

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Speaker 2: he get all of his media responses. It was all controlled.

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Speaker 2: That's what this is. Like a body Witch movie, like

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Speaker 2: Freaky Friday or something like that. Maybe Zac Efron is

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Speaker 2: being Bill Belichick and posing at the beach with his girlfriend.

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Speaker 12: Yeah, yeah, something like that Men in Black. Some an

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Speaker 12: alien got inside there. I don't know what's going on,

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Speaker 12: but it is it seems awkward.

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Speaker 5: I don't. I know, he's the greatest coach of all time.

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Speaker 5: I got that.

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Speaker 12: He's awesome and I don't doubt that they won't have

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Speaker 12: some success and he'll make North Carolina a little bit better.

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Speaker 5: But is he in it for the long haul?

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Speaker 12: I certainly think that's a fair question. And then yes,

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Speaker 12: the approach itself and some of the things he's done,

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Speaker 12: I just go, I've never seen Belichick act like this,

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Speaker 12: talk like this, anything like this, and it's just a

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Speaker 12: little little different right now.

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Speaker 2: But also if his goal is to get back in

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Speaker 2: the NFL, I think this hurts definitely, right if I'm

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Speaker 2: an owner on what is going on.

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Speaker 12: That's already what everybody is saying in the NFL. I

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Speaker 12: mean there's a reason. Also, you look at it and

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Speaker 12: you go, huh. A lot of his old staff and

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Speaker 12: stuf I've kind of said, I don't think I'm going

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Speaker 12: down there with you. I'll go somewhere else, see you later, right,

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Speaker 12: So that I think that says a lot to it itself.

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Speaker 5: And I agree one hundred percent.

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Speaker 12: I don't think he's doing himself any favors at all

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Speaker 12: to get back in the NFL and win over a

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Speaker 12: GM or an owner that way.

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Speaker 2: Good to talk to you, Chris is always Thanks for

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Speaker 2: joining us.

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Speaker 5: Thanks buddy, say hid all those knuckleheads, you got over.

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Speaker 2: There with you well, Chris says, Hi, knucklehead, Hi Chris, Chris,

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Speaker 2: Chris Simms Pro Football Talk Live co host. You can

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Speaker 2: Play of Today up next.

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Speaker 2: Jonathan and Youngstown. Hi Jonathan, what's on your mind?

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Speaker 5: Today. What's Up?

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Speaker 14: VP five ten of Hard two five hard. First off,

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Speaker 14: I want to say thank you guys for everything you do. Man,

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Speaker 14: it's I've been listening for twenty years. It's a great show.

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Speaker 14: I really appreciate it. Fritz, you're the best brother I know.

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Speaker 14: Lately you've been on a you know, even influential, getting

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Speaker 14: people in a Hall of Fame, etcetera, etcetera. But I've

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Speaker 14: got your best your stage yet. First off, the Barkley

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Speaker 14: View yesterday was awesome as usual. He's all just so

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Speaker 14: honest all the time. But I want to see if

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Speaker 14: you can help out to repair the relationship between MJ

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Speaker 14: and Barkley. You had any influence over that, that'd be terrific.

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Speaker 14: I'm sure it's a hard one. But last, but not least,

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Speaker 14: I actually have my son Johnny they deep birthday and

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Speaker 14: Mike good buddy Mike Bova's birthday as well. I just

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Speaker 14: want to see if I get a birthday shout out,

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Speaker 14: but certainly appreciate all you guys doing.

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Speaker 2: Thank you all right, thank you Jonathan, and a birthday

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Speaker 2: shout out for your son and your best friend. I

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Speaker 2: can't help you with Barkley and Michael. Mike will hold

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Speaker 2: a grudge. Charles was critical of Michael as an owner.

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Speaker 2: Charles did his job. Michael was way too thin skin

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Speaker 2: sensitive about this. Charles's job is to assess anybody. He

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Speaker 2: can't say, hey, Mike's my friend. I'm not going to

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Speaker 2: criticize him. If you ask a question about Michael's tenure

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Speaker 2: as an owner in Charlotte. He didn't do a good job, Okay.

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Speaker 2: I mean, at the end of the day, you're still

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Speaker 2: the greatest player of all time, great businessman, you're a billionaire,

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Speaker 2: you get to play golf all the time. Is it

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Speaker 2: really worth losing your friend, Charles Berkley, I don't know.

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Speaker 2: I guess it is. But Michael hold a grudge. Michael

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Speaker 2: hold a grudge. Eight seven to seven to three DP

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Speaker 2: show email address Dpadanpatrick dot com, Twitter handle a DP show.

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Speaker 2: We'll check in with the Lakers coming up a little

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Speaker 2: bit later on. By the way, the Rockets all five

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Speaker 2: of their starters scored in double figures last night, and

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Speaker 2: this game was over. It was seventy six forty nine

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Speaker 2: at halftime. You want to see some defense with some youngsters.

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Speaker 5: Man.

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Speaker 2: The Rockets went after Steph Curry, after him. It was

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Speaker 2: fun to watch because you're seeing them in real time

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Speaker 2: get playoff experiences against one of the top ten players

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Speaker 2: of all time. They don't even know what they don't know,

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Speaker 2: They're just out there playing and then you're like, all right,

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Speaker 2: just play hard. Steph's gonna make some shots. Jimmy Butler

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Speaker 2: will make some shots. Play hard, and they did. You're

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Speaker 2: seeing this with Detroit and Houston, and I love that.

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Speaker 2: I love when you see a young team learning on

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Speaker 2: the job and this will help them. I don't think

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Speaker 2: Houston looks at their roster and says it's a finished product.

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Speaker 2: I really think that they'll bring in Kevin Durant this offseason.

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Speaker 2: And what Detroit has done. They got some journeymen there,

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Speaker 2: but they kind of stayed with the core and Kate

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Speaker 2: Cunningham is a legitimate star. He's a great player.

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Speaker 3: Yes, Marvin, do you think that's a good idea of

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Speaker 3: bringing an established veteran like Katie to try to mess

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Speaker 3: up the float that they got going on with a

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Speaker 3: lot of these young guys.

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Speaker 2: They need a go to guy and now I don't

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Speaker 2: know if Kde is still the go to guy, but

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Speaker 2: they don't have you know, Jalen Green can be spotting.

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Speaker 2: He can be unbelievable. Then you're going, I don't know.

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Speaker 14: But.

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Speaker 2: I think they're gonna do it.

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Speaker 9: Yeah, Pauli, it is fun to see guys you only

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Speaker 9: see on highlights, like Amen Thompson, the forward for the Rockets.

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Speaker 9: I've never watched an entire game of him. Last night

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Speaker 9: I did.

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Speaker 2: It's like, this guy's all over the place. Yeah, he's

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Speaker 2: like there's two of them. Well, his brother plays for Detroit,

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Speaker 2: and those guys they play defense like they they really

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Speaker 2: want to play defense. Now they're young, and they're probably

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Speaker 2: gonna go I don't want to play that much. Get hey,

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Speaker 2: after a while, you're maybe maybe tonight, maybe not tomorrow night, Satan,

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Speaker 2: would you update the poll results please?

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Speaker 8: Well we got up there right now, which has run

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Speaker 8: its course. More Lebron and the Lakers. Giannis in the Bucks, Well.

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Speaker 2: Oh well one's thirty and one's forty, so I'm going

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Speaker 2: to factor that in that Lebron at forty. But what

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Speaker 2: are you gonna do with Lebron? You know, the Bucks

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Speaker 2: can do something with Yannis if they want to either

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Speaker 2: keep him or they can trade him with Lebron. It's

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Speaker 2: just Lebron. Do you want to you know, like Kobe

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Speaker 2: at the end of his career, I think that his

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Speaker 2: last game they won that game, that was their fifteenth

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Speaker 2: win of the season with Kobe, Like people forget it

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Speaker 2: was basically come out and see, Kobe, we're not very

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Speaker 2: good now. The Lakers aren't in that situation. I just wonder,

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Speaker 2: as I have the last week or so, what are

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Speaker 2: you gonna do? What are you gonna tell Luca? What's

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Speaker 2: the future with the Lakers? With Luca and surrounding him

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Speaker 2: with talent. One hour in the books on this Thursday,