1 00:00:00,120 --> 00:00:03,000 Speaker 1: If you have heard about the murder of Jessica Chambers, 2 00:00:03,160 --> 00:00:06,640 Speaker 1: do not miss the new docuseries on Oxygen. It's the 3 00:00:06,720 --> 00:00:10,600 Speaker 1: true story of a teen girl, a cheerleader in Mississippi 4 00:00:10,880 --> 00:00:14,920 Speaker 1: who is burned alive and the story of the man 5 00:00:15,080 --> 00:00:19,160 Speaker 1: accused of this heinous crime. Is that the right guy 6 00:00:19,239 --> 00:00:23,680 Speaker 1: on trial? Who is he? And who is Jessica Chambers? 7 00:00:23,760 --> 00:00:28,960 Speaker 1: And how does such a horrific crime occur? With more 8 00:00:29,080 --> 00:00:32,879 Speaker 1: questions than answers, this is the case that has captured 9 00:00:33,000 --> 00:00:37,519 Speaker 1: national headlines, taken over social media, and leaves a small 10 00:00:37,760 --> 00:00:41,960 Speaker 1: town divided. This is a must see TV event. It 11 00:00:42,000 --> 00:00:47,080 Speaker 1: features exclusive interviews that take you inside the investigation as 12 00:00:47,080 --> 00:00:52,040 Speaker 1: a search for answers and justice goes on. Unspeakable crime, 13 00:00:52,280 --> 00:00:56,560 Speaker 1: The Killing of Jessica Chambers Saturdays at seven six Central 14 00:00:56,880 --> 00:01:12,600 Speaker 1: on Oxygen, the new network for crime. Sing Hey, I 15 00:01:12,680 --> 00:01:17,440 Speaker 1: need you guys calmed out. My sister's going up, going 16 00:01:17,520 --> 00:01:21,760 Speaker 1: broke in and grabbed dirt. Hurry okay, what is your name? 17 00:01:23,000 --> 00:01:27,039 Speaker 1: Sial sady? Okay, we have a common plate. Offices are 18 00:01:27,080 --> 00:01:32,080 Speaker 1: on the wary Okay, okay, who else is there? Like? 19 00:01:32,760 --> 00:01:37,839 Speaker 1: Just people looking? Don't hurry, h They're on their way. Okay. 20 00:01:37,880 --> 00:01:41,319 Speaker 1: How old are you? Said? He right? Just take a 21 00:01:41,319 --> 00:01:47,920 Speaker 1: deep breath. Okay, doesn't have any medical conditions. No, not 22 00:01:48,080 --> 00:01:51,920 Speaker 1: thinking I thought he has wit she has. There's no 23 00:01:52,000 --> 00:01:57,400 Speaker 1: medical conditions, she's help. No allergies and medical conditions here 24 00:01:58,040 --> 00:02:01,760 Speaker 1: at all. No, I didn't hear anything at all. You're 25 00:02:01,840 --> 00:02:05,800 Speaker 1: hearing raw nine one one call when a little girl 26 00:02:05,880 --> 00:02:10,120 Speaker 1: goes missing from her own bedroom in the last hours, 27 00:02:10,160 --> 00:02:12,880 Speaker 1: a stunning break in the case and the disappearance of 28 00:02:13,000 --> 00:02:17,360 Speaker 1: Isabel Sillys I, Nancy Grace, this is Crime Stories. Thank 29 00:02:17,400 --> 00:02:20,120 Speaker 1: you for being with us. Joining me. Karen Start, New 30 00:02:20,160 --> 00:02:24,240 Speaker 1: York psychologist, Joe Scott Morgan joining me. Forensics expert, author 31 00:02:24,320 --> 00:02:28,520 Speaker 1: of Blood Beneath My Feet. Ashley Wilcott, judge, lawyer, founder 32 00:02:28,560 --> 00:02:32,880 Speaker 1: of child Crime watch dot Com. Jennifer Sakowski, reporter with 33 00:02:32,919 --> 00:02:37,120 Speaker 1: Crime Online dot Com, and special guests Joining me. The 34 00:02:37,280 --> 00:02:44,480 Speaker 1: founder of Class Kids Foundation, crime victim Mark class Mark. 35 00:02:44,600 --> 00:02:51,880 Speaker 1: I remember distinctly when Isabel Silly's first went missing, and 36 00:02:52,120 --> 00:02:58,480 Speaker 1: the circumstances surrounding her disappearance were very, very unusual. The 37 00:02:58,520 --> 00:03:01,480 Speaker 1: whole family had been out to us softball park the 38 00:03:01,600 --> 00:03:04,959 Speaker 1: night before. They had stayed there late. Everybody came back. 39 00:03:06,160 --> 00:03:08,840 Speaker 1: They were up a little late, but the whole family 40 00:03:09,040 --> 00:03:15,600 Speaker 1: was home that night. I saw the home myself. There's 41 00:03:15,639 --> 00:03:21,280 Speaker 1: a large, solid Adobe style fence around the backyard with 42 00:03:21,600 --> 00:03:24,800 Speaker 1: a gate that a purple would have to get through 43 00:03:24,960 --> 00:03:30,080 Speaker 1: or over to get into Isabel's window. The dog didn't 44 00:03:30,080 --> 00:03:34,200 Speaker 1: bark nothing. Do you recall when Isabel went missing? Mark 45 00:03:34,800 --> 00:03:37,560 Speaker 1: unfortunately recall it and actually not recall it because at 46 00:03:37,560 --> 00:03:40,040 Speaker 1: the time it's seemed so similar to what happened to Pauli. 47 00:03:40,360 --> 00:03:43,880 Speaker 1: A little girl minding her own business, doing absolutely nothing, 48 00:03:43,920 --> 00:03:46,360 Speaker 1: and the sanctity of her own and her own home 49 00:03:46,440 --> 00:03:51,160 Speaker 1: when she goes missing, and amazingly, nobody hears or sees 50 00:03:51,280 --> 00:03:54,520 Speaker 1: a thing. The dog doesn't even bark. Now when you compare, 51 00:03:54,520 --> 00:03:57,000 Speaker 1: and this is what through authorities off at the beginning, 52 00:03:57,200 --> 00:03:59,800 Speaker 1: When you compare the father's nine one one call, which 53 00:03:59,800 --> 00:04:04,240 Speaker 1: were about to listen to with the mother, she is frantic, 54 00:04:04,400 --> 00:04:09,440 Speaker 1: she is beside herself, the father extremely calm. Cops didn't 55 00:04:09,520 --> 00:04:12,680 Speaker 1: like that, but as you will learn from any defense attorneys, 56 00:04:13,440 --> 00:04:16,920 Speaker 1: there is no playbook for shock or grief or sorrow. 57 00:04:17,200 --> 00:04:20,680 Speaker 1: To Jennifer Sigowski Crime online dot Com investigative reporter, Let's 58 00:04:20,680 --> 00:04:23,479 Speaker 1: start at the beginning, what happened. I think we should 59 00:04:23,480 --> 00:04:27,800 Speaker 1: start the night before, Jennifer. The night before. Isabel was 60 00:04:27,920 --> 00:04:31,600 Speaker 1: enjoying a softball game with her family the night before, 61 00:04:33,040 --> 00:04:35,640 Speaker 1: and you know, I know you said, this is an 62 00:04:35,640 --> 00:04:39,239 Speaker 1: extremely passionate case for you. Mom had gone to work 63 00:04:39,279 --> 00:04:43,280 Speaker 1: the next morning. The husband, Sergio Sellis, is the one 64 00:04:43,279 --> 00:04:47,360 Speaker 1: who called nine one one and said that he thought 65 00:04:48,040 --> 00:04:52,320 Speaker 1: Isabel had been abducted from her home. Called the father's comminition. 66 00:04:52,400 --> 00:04:55,080 Speaker 1: I guess because he sure seemed to know. He did 67 00:04:55,120 --> 00:04:58,360 Speaker 1: seem very calm, but he seemed to know. He went 68 00:04:58,520 --> 00:05:00,920 Speaker 1: to get her up for her base talk game and 69 00:05:01,000 --> 00:05:04,880 Speaker 1: she was gone. She simply vanished into a We're talking 70 00:05:04,880 --> 00:05:08,279 Speaker 1: about a beautiful little girl who vanishes from her own home, 71 00:05:09,320 --> 00:05:13,040 Speaker 1: you know, Mark, Class, victim's advocate found of Class Kids Foundation. 72 00:05:14,240 --> 00:05:18,279 Speaker 1: What are the statistics about when children vanish? How often 73 00:05:18,360 --> 00:05:20,400 Speaker 1: is it a stranger? How often do they vanish from 74 00:05:20,440 --> 00:05:23,760 Speaker 1: their own home? How often is it family related or 75 00:05:23,839 --> 00:05:29,760 Speaker 1: someone they know? Well, that's a big question. Stranger pure 76 00:05:29,880 --> 00:05:33,159 Speaker 1: stranger reductions, according to the National Center for Mission and 77 00:05:33,240 --> 00:05:38,080 Speaker 1: Exploited Children, occurred somewhere under a hundred and fifty times 78 00:05:38,120 --> 00:05:40,920 Speaker 1: per year, and this was out of about six hundred 79 00:05:40,960 --> 00:05:45,159 Speaker 1: thousand children that are recorded missing every year. The vast 80 00:05:45,200 --> 00:05:52,040 Speaker 1: majority of both children somewhere overt are considered runaway um. 81 00:05:52,200 --> 00:05:58,159 Speaker 1: The next highest category our family involved abductions where supposedly, 82 00:05:58,200 --> 00:06:01,280 Speaker 1: started to say, a non custom odeal father or mother 83 00:06:01,600 --> 00:06:04,479 Speaker 1: will take the child as a way of getting back 84 00:06:04,480 --> 00:06:07,719 Speaker 1: to the custodial parents. And then you have acquaintance types 85 00:06:07,760 --> 00:06:10,719 Speaker 1: of abductions where it's somebody that's known to the family. 86 00:06:10,920 --> 00:06:13,000 Speaker 1: But when you get down to this, when you squeeze 87 00:06:13,040 --> 00:06:17,240 Speaker 1: this down to to the pure stranger abduction, which is 88 00:06:17,279 --> 00:06:22,200 Speaker 1: exactly what it looks likes about situation is it happens 89 00:06:22,760 --> 00:06:26,000 Speaker 1: very rarely in our society. And then we have about 90 00:06:26,000 --> 00:06:28,599 Speaker 1: twenty four hours to be able to really we have 91 00:06:28,680 --> 00:06:31,440 Speaker 1: about three hours to be able to recover those children 92 00:06:31,760 --> 00:06:35,760 Speaker 1: because statistically, of the children that are murdered as a 93 00:06:35,839 --> 00:06:40,599 Speaker 1: result of an abduction, seventy will be dead within the 94 00:06:40,680 --> 00:06:43,479 Speaker 1: first three hours. You know what Mark class When you 95 00:06:43,560 --> 00:06:48,120 Speaker 1: say that, well, pretty much when you say anything, we 96 00:06:48,360 --> 00:06:51,960 Speaker 1: believe it because you're not speaking just from experience, You're 97 00:06:51,960 --> 00:06:56,719 Speaker 1: speaking from the heart. We all are familiar with Polly, 98 00:06:57,000 --> 00:07:00,440 Speaker 1: your daughter who was taken from her home. She was 99 00:07:00,480 --> 00:07:03,080 Speaker 1: even at a little spind the night party of girls 100 00:07:03,160 --> 00:07:07,640 Speaker 1: over at her home. She was taken from her own 101 00:07:07,920 --> 00:07:12,240 Speaker 1: home during the night. And of course police first, as 102 00:07:12,280 --> 00:07:16,560 Speaker 1: they always, and they should focus on you, the friends, 103 00:07:16,640 --> 00:07:20,480 Speaker 1: the neighbors that this and you are the gold standard. 104 00:07:20,560 --> 00:07:23,080 Speaker 1: Mark Class. You're like here, I'll take a Polly, I'll 105 00:07:23,080 --> 00:07:25,560 Speaker 1: take you. Take my d n A, search my place, 106 00:07:25,560 --> 00:07:27,760 Speaker 1: search my car, do whatever you want so you can 107 00:07:27,800 --> 00:07:32,040 Speaker 1: get past me and find my daughter. You are the example. 108 00:07:32,560 --> 00:07:35,600 Speaker 1: And as she Willcott juven I'll judge lawyer, founder of 109 00:07:35,680 --> 00:07:39,080 Speaker 1: child crime watch dot com. When Class says, you know, 110 00:07:39,240 --> 00:07:42,920 Speaker 1: after three hours it's over. That To this day I've 111 00:07:42,920 --> 00:07:45,720 Speaker 1: heard him say it a thousand times. It gives me 112 00:07:45,920 --> 00:07:50,280 Speaker 1: chills and chill bumps, because it's true. After the child 113 00:07:50,320 --> 00:07:54,160 Speaker 1: has gone three hours, at the likelihood of getting the 114 00:07:54,280 --> 00:07:58,480 Speaker 1: child back a light it's drastically reduced. It's almost impossible. 115 00:07:58,520 --> 00:08:01,160 Speaker 1: And that's true. Nancy Statist sickly that after that amount 116 00:08:01,200 --> 00:08:06,480 Speaker 1: of time, generally typically they absolutely are no longer alive, tragically, 117 00:08:06,720 --> 00:08:10,119 Speaker 1: and this is every parents worst nightmare that Mark Class 118 00:08:10,160 --> 00:08:13,840 Speaker 1: has lived, and that is stranger stranger abduction. Can you 119 00:08:13,880 --> 00:08:16,000 Speaker 1: imagine you go to sleep, you have your child in 120 00:08:16,000 --> 00:08:18,600 Speaker 1: the bed everything's good. You wake up the next morning 121 00:08:18,640 --> 00:08:21,320 Speaker 1: and your six year old is missing. This is every 122 00:08:21,360 --> 00:08:26,840 Speaker 1: parents nightmare, you know, Karen Stark, New York psychologist, Whenever 123 00:08:27,080 --> 00:08:31,040 Speaker 1: I talk about a missing child or I cover it, 124 00:08:31,320 --> 00:08:33,440 Speaker 1: you know, I sleep in the room with the twins 125 00:08:33,480 --> 00:08:37,000 Speaker 1: that night and for nights after. I can't help myself 126 00:08:37,200 --> 00:08:39,680 Speaker 1: because what she said is true. It's almost like there's 127 00:08:39,760 --> 00:08:42,280 Speaker 1: nothing you can do to guard against it. Because in 128 00:08:42,360 --> 00:08:45,920 Speaker 1: this case with Isabel Sils, everything was fine. The mom 129 00:08:46,000 --> 00:08:47,920 Speaker 1: was home, the dad was home, the brother was home, 130 00:08:47,960 --> 00:08:50,120 Speaker 1: the dog was there laying in the floor ready to 131 00:08:50,120 --> 00:08:55,040 Speaker 1: bark his head off. Everything was fine, and then she's gone. 132 00:08:55,440 --> 00:08:57,240 Speaker 1: I mean, where does that leave the rest of us? 133 00:08:57,440 --> 00:09:01,160 Speaker 1: But it's obviously it's something that when you think about 134 00:09:01,200 --> 00:09:06,839 Speaker 1: what happened to Mark Dancy, it's just terrific because it's 135 00:09:06,840 --> 00:09:10,440 Speaker 1: it's so much every parents worst nightmare that they don't 136 00:09:10,559 --> 00:09:13,040 Speaker 1: let themselves go there most of the time. And then 137 00:09:13,080 --> 00:09:15,640 Speaker 1: you hear something like this and you think, how could 138 00:09:15,679 --> 00:09:20,679 Speaker 1: this possibly happen? It's shocking, how could a stranger into 139 00:09:20,760 --> 00:09:25,480 Speaker 1: your house? And you understand that you're left with this 140 00:09:25,640 --> 00:09:29,160 Speaker 1: bafflement and this horror of having lost your child. So 141 00:09:29,360 --> 00:09:33,000 Speaker 1: hopeful being that they're going to be killed most of 142 00:09:33,040 --> 00:09:36,520 Speaker 1: the time, because nobody wants to have a little kid 143 00:09:36,559 --> 00:09:41,439 Speaker 1: around and abdusted and then have to say exactly, that's 144 00:09:41,480 --> 00:09:44,640 Speaker 1: something that happened to them, you know. To Joseph Scott Morgan, 145 00:09:44,800 --> 00:09:48,360 Speaker 1: professor of forensics at Jacksonville State University, author of Blood 146 00:09:48,480 --> 00:09:51,600 Speaker 1: Beneath My Feet, Let's quickly look at the timeline, Joe Scott, 147 00:09:51,640 --> 00:09:54,680 Speaker 1: I want to hear what your analysis is. It was 148 00:09:54,840 --> 00:09:58,120 Speaker 1: a very balmy, a nice day it was in April. 149 00:09:58,880 --> 00:10:02,240 Speaker 1: And what we learned earn is that the night before, 150 00:10:02,720 --> 00:10:06,560 Speaker 1: Isabel went to bed late eleven PM. And I found 151 00:10:06,559 --> 00:10:09,440 Speaker 1: that significant and that's why I kept asking Jennifer to 152 00:10:09,480 --> 00:10:12,559 Speaker 1: start the night before, who was watching her at the 153 00:10:12,600 --> 00:10:16,439 Speaker 1: softball game at the park where they were, if anybody 154 00:10:16,720 --> 00:10:18,960 Speaker 1: were friend? Did friends come over? As a matter of fact, 155 00:10:19,000 --> 00:10:21,720 Speaker 1: I think they did come to the home after the game. 156 00:10:22,200 --> 00:10:26,920 Speaker 1: That's eleven PM before eight a m. Isabel's mother, Rebecca, 157 00:10:27,160 --> 00:10:30,000 Speaker 1: leaves her worked early early in the morning eight AM. 158 00:10:30,080 --> 00:10:33,040 Speaker 1: The family members wake up, they discover she's not in 159 00:10:33,080 --> 00:10:35,320 Speaker 1: her bed. They can't find her anywhere in the home. 160 00:10:35,640 --> 00:10:41,640 Speaker 1: They call nine one one. By that evening critical time 161 00:10:41,679 --> 00:10:45,360 Speaker 1: there they call eight am that evening the FBI search 162 00:10:45,480 --> 00:10:50,240 Speaker 1: dogs arrived from Virginia to aid in the search. Lost 163 00:10:50,280 --> 00:10:52,560 Speaker 1: a lot of time, right there, Joe Scott Morgan, a 164 00:10:52,559 --> 00:10:55,440 Speaker 1: lot of time twelve hours. Yeah, and that's key in 165 00:10:55,440 --> 00:10:58,760 Speaker 1: this case. You were talking about how that that critical 166 00:10:58,760 --> 00:11:02,600 Speaker 1: window of three hour or uh, Nancy, this is my 167 00:11:02,720 --> 00:11:07,400 Speaker 1: take on it relative to the way these people viewed children. 168 00:11:08,280 --> 00:11:11,760 Speaker 1: They stalk these children many times. They'll see these things, 169 00:11:12,120 --> 00:11:15,720 Speaker 1: uh that to them draw them in, these things being 170 00:11:15,760 --> 00:11:19,120 Speaker 1: these precious little angels that are out there. And then 171 00:11:19,360 --> 00:11:25,040 Speaker 1: after they have had their way with these children, they 172 00:11:25,160 --> 00:11:27,640 Speaker 1: become nothing more than objects and they just rip them 173 00:11:27,640 --> 00:11:29,720 Speaker 1: to shreds. And then at the end of the day, 174 00:11:30,600 --> 00:11:33,360 Speaker 1: we the investigators have to go back in and try 175 00:11:33,440 --> 00:11:36,679 Speaker 1: to apply what we're seeing at the scene to a timeline. 176 00:11:36,720 --> 00:11:39,920 Speaker 1: In this particular case, this occurred pretty quickly. I would 177 00:11:39,960 --> 00:11:43,080 Speaker 1: imagine Nancy, he saw her potentially at the softball game. Hey, 178 00:11:43,160 --> 00:11:46,320 Speaker 1: even something scarier. He may have been watching her for 179 00:11:46,440 --> 00:11:49,280 Speaker 1: days prior to that. He saw the family altogether. He 180 00:11:49,360 --> 00:11:51,200 Speaker 1: knew that it was gonna be a late night, and 181 00:11:51,240 --> 00:11:53,800 Speaker 1: he wait just a creptit to creep into the house 182 00:11:53,880 --> 00:11:56,559 Speaker 1: and extract this little girl from there to do what 183 00:11:56,600 --> 00:11:58,600 Speaker 1: he wanted to do with her. He would have anyone 184 00:11:58,600 --> 00:12:01,640 Speaker 1: that he would receive as an enemy, anybody that would 185 00:12:01,679 --> 00:12:05,440 Speaker 1: only grudge against you for any reason. That's the whole problem, 186 00:12:05,520 --> 00:12:08,520 Speaker 1: is that we don't understand why or how we made 187 00:12:08,559 --> 00:12:11,199 Speaker 1: east Other a target, because you know, we're her parents, 188 00:12:11,200 --> 00:12:13,520 Speaker 1: so we're like, what did we do? How did we 189 00:12:13,559 --> 00:12:17,680 Speaker 1: make her the target? And we this is a nightly, 190 00:12:17,760 --> 00:12:20,880 Speaker 1: daily hour thing that we're like constantly thinking, why is 191 00:12:20,920 --> 00:12:23,600 Speaker 1: it east of it? And we don't know I have 192 00:12:24,760 --> 00:12:27,880 Speaker 1: and we we go through our heads and who's been 193 00:12:27,880 --> 00:12:30,240 Speaker 1: in our house? And like we just said, for us, 194 00:12:30,280 --> 00:12:33,200 Speaker 1: we wanted everybody in anybody who's been around you so 195 00:12:33,240 --> 00:12:35,880 Speaker 1: that and in our house to be questioned to the 196 00:12:35,960 --> 00:12:38,800 Speaker 1: utmost the way we were just so that to hold 197 00:12:38,880 --> 00:12:42,400 Speaker 1: under the same scrutiny as us because we don't know, 198 00:12:42,840 --> 00:12:49,640 Speaker 1: and we're going round and round and round, and and yes, 199 00:12:50,280 --> 00:12:54,839 Speaker 1: it's extremely frustrating. It's extremely frustrating not having her back. 200 00:12:55,480 --> 00:12:59,640 Speaker 1: It's extremely frustrating. Even with the police department, we share 201 00:12:59,640 --> 00:13:03,520 Speaker 1: the same frustrations. We express our frustrations with them about 202 00:13:03,559 --> 00:13:06,679 Speaker 1: the investigation and everything, and they share them right back, 203 00:13:07,200 --> 00:13:13,040 Speaker 1: they share them right back. It isn't unspoken. And you know, again, 204 00:13:13,440 --> 00:13:15,480 Speaker 1: we do know that there's only so much information that 205 00:13:15,520 --> 00:13:19,480 Speaker 1: we're allowed to be told. And and again it's all 206 00:13:20,320 --> 00:13:23,920 Speaker 1: for protection of the Southern and not to interfere with anything. 207 00:13:24,160 --> 00:13:27,280 Speaker 1: We were talking about the disappearance of a beautiful young 208 00:13:27,480 --> 00:13:31,000 Speaker 1: girl just six years old from her home in Arizona, 209 00:13:31,400 --> 00:13:37,640 Speaker 1: isabel sell Us. Now her disappearance linked to another young girl, 210 00:13:38,280 --> 00:13:42,640 Speaker 1: Marabelle in the last days, a stunning twist in the 211 00:13:42,760 --> 00:13:47,559 Speaker 1: case back to the evening the morning that she goes missing. 212 00:13:48,559 --> 00:13:52,360 Speaker 1: Everything was normal. The mom gets up leaves. How many 213 00:13:52,400 --> 00:13:56,160 Speaker 1: times Ashley Wilcott, juvenile judge, lawyer and founder of child 214 00:13:56,160 --> 00:14:00,120 Speaker 1: crime watch dot com do you ever leave without looking 215 00:14:00,240 --> 00:14:04,640 Speaker 1: at your children asleep before you go out the front door? Never? 216 00:14:04,840 --> 00:14:07,040 Speaker 1: Not only that, I mean I always check on them. 217 00:14:07,080 --> 00:14:09,320 Speaker 1: As silly as it is, this is so crazy. We 218 00:14:09,360 --> 00:14:11,320 Speaker 1: can have a nice dinner, they do all their homework, 219 00:14:11,400 --> 00:14:14,360 Speaker 1: they go upstairs to bed. I go upstairs to go 220 00:14:14,440 --> 00:14:16,600 Speaker 1: to bed. When I go upstairs to go to bed, 221 00:14:16,679 --> 00:14:19,440 Speaker 1: I even check on them. Then I check on them 222 00:14:19,480 --> 00:14:24,160 Speaker 1: at all times because it's just a parental capacity. I 223 00:14:24,240 --> 00:14:27,120 Speaker 1: want to see lay eyes on my child, even in 224 00:14:27,160 --> 00:14:30,080 Speaker 1: my own home. She goes missing. The dogs are brought 225 00:14:30,120 --> 00:14:34,880 Speaker 1: annually twelve hours later, brought in from Quantico. Is twelve 226 00:14:34,880 --> 00:14:39,320 Speaker 1: hours too late? Joseph's got Morgan forensics expert professor forensics, 227 00:14:39,320 --> 00:14:43,360 Speaker 1: said Jacksonville State, author of Blood Beneath My Feet? Is 228 00:14:43,400 --> 00:14:46,240 Speaker 1: it too late by? Then? Don't they have local dogs? 229 00:14:46,400 --> 00:14:49,760 Speaker 1: Why why wait for dogs from Quantico? Yeah? That that's 230 00:14:49,800 --> 00:14:52,160 Speaker 1: kind of head scratcher, Nancy. I'm wondering, you know, why 231 00:14:52,280 --> 00:14:54,760 Speaker 1: why did they wait to come? This is a huge 232 00:14:54,840 --> 00:14:57,520 Speaker 1: distance that they have to come with these animals, and 233 00:14:57,600 --> 00:15:00,080 Speaker 1: I would think that that out there there would be 234 00:15:00,240 --> 00:15:02,920 Speaker 1: a group of canines that could go out and help 235 00:15:02,960 --> 00:15:06,240 Speaker 1: them in the search. But at any rate, that's what happened. Yeah, 236 00:15:06,280 --> 00:15:09,800 Speaker 1: after twelve hours, Nancy, you're talking about the trail really 237 00:15:09,840 --> 00:15:12,720 Speaker 1: going cold here, because you know, are you in the 238 00:15:12,760 --> 00:15:16,520 Speaker 1: midst of a rescue operation or are you you know, 239 00:15:16,680 --> 00:15:19,200 Speaker 1: are you at a point where you might have to 240 00:15:19,240 --> 00:15:22,200 Speaker 1: use cadaver dogs at that point? And that's a completely 241 00:15:22,240 --> 00:15:26,400 Speaker 1: different field. So I found that I found that very strange. Yes, 242 00:15:27,160 --> 00:15:34,080 Speaker 1: then they bring in the psychics. Time passes suddenly, we 243 00:15:34,160 --> 00:15:38,360 Speaker 1: all are baffled. When the father is barred from visiting 244 00:15:38,640 --> 00:15:43,000 Speaker 1: his son's new attention is now focused on the father. 245 00:15:43,440 --> 00:15:46,280 Speaker 1: Why let's take a listen to his nine one one call. 246 00:15:48,840 --> 00:15:51,200 Speaker 1: I want to report a missing person. My little girls 247 00:15:51,200 --> 00:15:53,120 Speaker 1: is six years old. I believe she was effected from 248 00:15:53,120 --> 00:15:56,360 Speaker 1: our house. As on the line to some police, I 249 00:15:56,400 --> 00:16:06,360 Speaker 1: will hello, I need to record a minting child. I 250 00:16:06,400 --> 00:16:12,160 Speaker 1: believe she was adopted from my house. Old years old. Okay, 251 00:16:12,200 --> 00:16:15,000 Speaker 1: is it your daughter? Yes? Why do you think she 252 00:16:15,040 --> 00:16:17,840 Speaker 1: was adopted? I have no idea. We woke up this morning. 253 00:16:17,880 --> 00:16:19,760 Speaker 1: I went to go get her up for her baseball game, 254 00:16:19,800 --> 00:16:22,160 Speaker 1: and she's gone. I woke up my my son's We 255 00:16:22,320 --> 00:16:24,600 Speaker 1: looked everywhere in the house, and my oldest unnoticed that 256 00:16:24,680 --> 00:16:26,800 Speaker 1: her window was wide open and the screen was laying 257 00:16:26,840 --> 00:16:29,720 Speaker 1: in the backyard. We've looked all around the house. My 258 00:16:29,760 --> 00:16:32,520 Speaker 1: sons are king. Yeah, my friends are running around the 259 00:16:32,560 --> 00:16:36,040 Speaker 1: house looking for her. The screen was on the ground outside. 260 00:16:39,000 --> 00:16:42,240 Speaker 1: What's tree? I guess what's your namer? My name is 261 00:16:42,280 --> 00:16:45,960 Speaker 1: Sergio sdr G I oh go on initial D. Last 262 00:16:46,040 --> 00:16:48,920 Speaker 1: name is C E L I S. I asked in 263 00:16:49,000 --> 00:16:54,960 Speaker 1: samp Okay, what's your name? He said that. I asked 264 00:16:55,480 --> 00:17:00,800 Speaker 1: B I S A B E L and as in 265 00:17:00,960 --> 00:17:07,520 Speaker 1: man is the middle initials Okay, same last name. Okay, 266 00:17:07,880 --> 00:17:10,200 Speaker 1: is mom? They're also is she just lets the work. 267 00:17:10,240 --> 00:17:11,600 Speaker 1: I just called her and I told her to get 268 00:17:11,600 --> 00:17:17,240 Speaker 1: her at homework. Okay, I get it to Mark Class, 269 00:17:17,359 --> 00:17:20,240 Speaker 1: victim's advocate and found of Class Kids Foundation. When I 270 00:17:20,400 --> 00:17:22,600 Speaker 1: heard that, I told her to get her But hump, 271 00:17:23,480 --> 00:17:27,399 Speaker 1: that put me on edge right there, Mark Class, because 272 00:17:28,720 --> 00:17:31,639 Speaker 1: that didn't sound right. It's still doesn't sound right. No, 273 00:17:31,800 --> 00:17:34,080 Speaker 1: it doesn't sound right. But what he's doing is he 274 00:17:34,200 --> 00:17:37,320 Speaker 1: is trying to pull it together. His little girl is missing, 275 00:17:37,600 --> 00:17:41,480 Speaker 1: and against all odds, he understands exactly what has gone on, 276 00:17:41,880 --> 00:17:45,080 Speaker 1: and he's trying to be calm. He's trying to notify police, 277 00:17:45,280 --> 00:17:48,440 Speaker 1: he's trying to keep everybody from panicking. And he did 278 00:17:48,440 --> 00:17:51,040 Speaker 1: a hell of a job doing that, Nancy. He did 279 00:17:51,080 --> 00:17:53,399 Speaker 1: such a great job of doing that that he brought 280 00:17:53,520 --> 00:17:57,560 Speaker 1: a lot of suspicion upon himself. Your suspicion from you, 281 00:17:57,760 --> 00:18:01,199 Speaker 1: suspicion from me, suspicion from so many other people. And 282 00:18:01,240 --> 00:18:03,240 Speaker 1: he held a good front. But I'll tell you what 283 00:18:03,640 --> 00:18:07,080 Speaker 1: I'll tell you Exactly what happened is that when nighttime comes, 284 00:18:07,359 --> 00:18:10,679 Speaker 1: when Sergio is alone in bed, when Sergio is thinking 285 00:18:10,720 --> 00:18:15,280 Speaker 1: about that he's dying inside, he's crying, he's begging God 286 00:18:15,359 --> 00:18:18,600 Speaker 1: to to bring his little girl back. And then in 287 00:18:18,640 --> 00:18:21,600 Speaker 1: the morning it snaps back into gear and he tells 288 00:18:21,680 --> 00:18:24,000 Speaker 1: himself that she's all right, that if he keeps it 289 00:18:24,040 --> 00:18:26,800 Speaker 1: together and if he works with the cops, he'll get 290 00:18:26,840 --> 00:18:30,000 Speaker 1: her home. And that's what kept Sergio going. And I, 291 00:18:30,520 --> 00:18:34,800 Speaker 1: for one, feels so terribly for even suspecting this man 292 00:18:35,119 --> 00:18:37,560 Speaker 1: who is doing exactly what he had to do for 293 00:18:37,760 --> 00:18:40,560 Speaker 1: his daughter, but just in a way that other people 294 00:18:40,640 --> 00:18:46,760 Speaker 1: couldn't comprehend it. You know what, Mark, again, you're absolutely correct, 295 00:18:47,440 --> 00:18:53,560 Speaker 1: But when a child is missing, ash Wilcot, statistically we 296 00:18:53,720 --> 00:18:59,240 Speaker 1: look at the father, uh sometimes the mother, the brothers, 297 00:18:59,320 --> 00:19:02,120 Speaker 1: the step brother is in the uncle's, the next foor, neighbors, 298 00:19:02,160 --> 00:19:05,760 Speaker 1: the grandparents, the cousins, the family friends, and you go 299 00:19:05,840 --> 00:19:09,639 Speaker 1: out from there. Of course, he's the first person you 300 00:19:09,720 --> 00:19:14,600 Speaker 1: look at. And that calm, cool demeanor, actually laughing on 301 00:19:14,720 --> 00:19:19,359 Speaker 1: the phone to nine one one. A lot of people 302 00:19:19,400 --> 00:19:23,120 Speaker 1: couldn't relate to that, Ashley. I mean, we were focused 303 00:19:23,160 --> 00:19:30,080 Speaker 1: on finding the girl and everybody was under in the crosshairs. Yeah, 304 00:19:30,119 --> 00:19:33,560 Speaker 1: and it should be that way, regardless of a person's demeanor. 305 00:19:33,680 --> 00:19:36,560 Speaker 1: The family has to be considered a person of interest 306 00:19:36,720 --> 00:19:40,040 Speaker 1: upfront at the beginning, because in spite of this being 307 00:19:40,200 --> 00:19:44,119 Speaker 1: a stranger abduction, many many times that is not the case, 308 00:19:44,240 --> 00:19:46,920 Speaker 1: and it is it is at the hands of a caretaker, 309 00:19:47,040 --> 00:19:50,040 Speaker 1: a parent, a boyfriend, someone living in the home. So 310 00:19:50,119 --> 00:19:52,880 Speaker 1: they have to investigate those people. And again, if you're 311 00:19:52,920 --> 00:19:56,040 Speaker 1: a parent and your child's missing and you know you 312 00:19:56,080 --> 00:19:58,760 Speaker 1: didn't do it, investigate me. Do what you need. Here's 313 00:19:58,800 --> 00:20:00,919 Speaker 1: all of my blood, my t and a Why wouldn't 314 00:20:00,920 --> 00:20:03,439 Speaker 1: a parents say, I'll give you everything you need to 315 00:20:03,480 --> 00:20:05,840 Speaker 1: investigate me because I didn't do this, and you've got 316 00:20:05,840 --> 00:20:08,000 Speaker 1: to get off of me and find the person who 317 00:20:08,000 --> 00:20:10,879 Speaker 1: did it. Well, you're right, and so is Mark class. 318 00:20:10,920 --> 00:20:13,959 Speaker 1: But I want you to listen and compare the father 319 00:20:14,480 --> 00:20:22,000 Speaker 1: to the mother listening and he looked everywhere under the bed. 320 00:20:29,680 --> 00:20:34,280 Speaker 1: Almost there, man, Okay, where where is your husband and 321 00:20:34,280 --> 00:20:44,840 Speaker 1: your kids? Okay, she's up like for you, forty four 322 00:20:44,960 --> 00:20:50,720 Speaker 1: forty five inches long, she's um forty four pounds and hey, 323 00:20:50,760 --> 00:20:56,320 Speaker 1: Carly say brown browns and she has two little phrase 324 00:20:56,400 --> 00:20:59,720 Speaker 1: going to there like plenty child in her hair, so 325 00:20:59,800 --> 00:21:01,840 Speaker 1: she's like four point tails on each side. They go 326 00:21:01,960 --> 00:21:04,840 Speaker 1: down her and it's before in the middle four graded 327 00:21:04,840 --> 00:21:10,399 Speaker 1: pony toes. It's it's a two. It's like two braids. 328 00:21:10,480 --> 00:21:13,320 Speaker 1: Two braids, okay, but it's made with plentytails instead of 329 00:21:13,320 --> 00:21:22,360 Speaker 1: a braid. Any mark scars other than the window out. 330 00:21:22,359 --> 00:21:24,800 Speaker 1: It can't see anything else and the doors like her 331 00:21:24,840 --> 00:21:27,040 Speaker 1: outside since they had to have jumped over the fence 332 00:21:27,160 --> 00:21:29,000 Speaker 1: or I don't know what they did, but oh my god, 333 00:21:29,960 --> 00:21:32,720 Speaker 1: the comfort here. Can I just tak thank you. You 334 00:21:32,720 --> 00:21:35,240 Speaker 1: are hearing the mother of Isabel Selsa. She's on the 335 00:21:35,280 --> 00:21:39,600 Speaker 1: phone frantic. We were comparing her to the father. His 336 00:21:39,880 --> 00:21:42,359 Speaker 1: nine one call came under suspicion when he was so 337 00:21:42,440 --> 00:21:46,720 Speaker 1: incredibly calm reporting his daughter missing, even laughing at one point. 338 00:21:47,840 --> 00:21:51,280 Speaker 1: The little girl, six year old Isabel Sales, vanishes from 339 00:21:51,280 --> 00:21:56,240 Speaker 1: her bedroom on April one, midtown two Sun, Arizona. We 340 00:21:56,359 --> 00:22:00,359 Speaker 1: believe sometime between midnight and eight a m. The following morning. 341 00:22:01,119 --> 00:22:06,040 Speaker 1: What happened to Isabel supposedly lasting in her bedroom around 342 00:22:06,040 --> 00:22:09,760 Speaker 1: eleven that evening. The family had gotten home around ten 343 00:22:09,840 --> 00:22:13,320 Speaker 1: thirty pm the night before. Everybody took their showers and 344 00:22:13,359 --> 00:22:16,760 Speaker 1: went to bed, except for the dad. The dad climbing 345 00:22:16,800 --> 00:22:20,240 Speaker 1: to have stayed up later than everyone else in the family. 346 00:22:20,640 --> 00:22:23,280 Speaker 1: Of course, there's the mother, two sons. They were ten 347 00:22:23,280 --> 00:22:26,159 Speaker 1: and fourteen at the time. That night, he claims he 348 00:22:26,200 --> 00:22:30,360 Speaker 1: was watching a baseball game until about midnight and mentioned 349 00:22:30,600 --> 00:22:33,560 Speaker 1: Isabel's room was just on the other side of the 350 00:22:33,640 --> 00:22:38,000 Speaker 1: wall where he was nearby. He says, quote, I was 351 00:22:38,080 --> 00:22:42,040 Speaker 1: in the living room watching the Diamondbacks game at midnight. 352 00:22:42,200 --> 00:22:45,159 Speaker 1: I fell asleep. I never heard anything weird, so I 353 00:22:45,240 --> 00:22:48,719 Speaker 1: was just like on the on the other side of 354 00:22:48,800 --> 00:22:54,320 Speaker 1: the wall from her. That is a chilling thought. The 355 00:22:54,480 --> 00:22:57,480 Speaker 1: dad was also the first to notice that Isabel went 356 00:22:57,560 --> 00:23:00,400 Speaker 1: missing the following morning, when he says he went to 357 00:23:00,480 --> 00:23:04,159 Speaker 1: get her up and start her baseball game. Both the 358 00:23:04,240 --> 00:23:06,880 Speaker 1: father and the older son called nine one one. You've 359 00:23:06,880 --> 00:23:11,240 Speaker 1: heard pieces of that. That was close to nine am. 360 00:23:11,320 --> 00:23:15,959 Speaker 1: An hour pass from the time they realized she was missing, 361 00:23:15,960 --> 00:23:20,000 Speaker 1: and they call nine one one. A solid hour goes by. 362 00:23:20,200 --> 00:23:23,040 Speaker 1: Then you hear the mother one when she gets back 363 00:23:23,040 --> 00:23:26,040 Speaker 1: home from work, the father reporting she was wearing a 364 00:23:26,080 --> 00:23:29,879 Speaker 1: pink tight eye shirt and navy blue shorts when she 365 00:23:30,000 --> 00:23:33,640 Speaker 1: was last seen, the mom reporting her wearing an old 366 00:23:33,760 --> 00:23:39,160 Speaker 1: navy shirt with the flag on it. What happened to Isabel? 367 00:23:39,760 --> 00:23:42,119 Speaker 1: Then the older son the fourteen year old notices a 368 00:23:42,200 --> 00:23:45,240 Speaker 1: screen to her window looked like it had been removed. 369 00:23:46,560 --> 00:23:51,439 Speaker 1: Everyone was deflated when a pink tight eye shirt was 370 00:23:51,520 --> 00:23:58,320 Speaker 1: found nearby, about thirty feet away from the home. Again 371 00:23:58,640 --> 00:24:01,360 Speaker 1: in the backyard, and I've looked good at myself. There 372 00:24:01,440 --> 00:24:06,480 Speaker 1: was a tall fence, a thick adobe style fence surrounding 373 00:24:06,520 --> 00:24:09,040 Speaker 1: the backyard. You'd have to be able to get through 374 00:24:09,040 --> 00:24:16,159 Speaker 1: the gate or climb over it. Chilling to hear, Mark Class, 375 00:24:16,480 --> 00:24:19,639 Speaker 1: founder of Class Kids Foundation. The dad says he was 376 00:24:19,720 --> 00:24:23,760 Speaker 1: just on the other side of the wall, her wall, 377 00:24:24,119 --> 00:24:27,160 Speaker 1: her bedroom wall, separating the family room from her bedroom, 378 00:24:27,520 --> 00:24:31,840 Speaker 1: and heard nothing. If that's true, that now takes the 379 00:24:31,960 --> 00:24:36,760 Speaker 1: time to about one am to eight am, seven hours 380 00:24:37,160 --> 00:24:39,359 Speaker 1: for someone to get in the home and take the 381 00:24:39,400 --> 00:24:46,359 Speaker 1: little girl unheard. Oh my palms are sweaty because I 382 00:24:46,680 --> 00:24:49,359 Speaker 1: think I'm kind of living my own, kind of my 383 00:24:49,400 --> 00:24:56,399 Speaker 1: own situation here. Sergio. Sergio is a great father, And 384 00:24:56,640 --> 00:24:59,320 Speaker 1: I just feel so bad that I ever suspected this 385 00:24:59,359 --> 00:25:03,640 Speaker 1: man through even one minute, because you can tell by 386 00:25:03,680 --> 00:25:06,640 Speaker 1: the frantic nature of his wife's nine one one call 387 00:25:06,800 --> 00:25:09,000 Speaker 1: that that he knew he had to keep it together. 388 00:25:09,119 --> 00:25:12,399 Speaker 1: Somebody had to keep it together, and The problem is 389 00:25:12,480 --> 00:25:18,919 Speaker 1: natural is that we allow were forgiving nation. We allow 390 00:25:19,160 --> 00:25:23,000 Speaker 1: people second chances and third chances and fourth chances. We 391 00:25:23,080 --> 00:25:25,919 Speaker 1: take our children out to little ball games. We're the 392 00:25:25,920 --> 00:25:28,840 Speaker 1: only people that are out there are the parents of 393 00:25:28,920 --> 00:25:33,639 Speaker 1: other little kids, and perhaps somebody that might suspect that 394 00:25:33,800 --> 00:25:36,960 Speaker 1: might want to cause harm to some of those children. 395 00:25:37,320 --> 00:25:41,000 Speaker 1: So as carrying a father and as carrying as those 396 00:25:41,040 --> 00:25:45,000 Speaker 1: parents were, and having an adobe wall between her and 397 00:25:45,040 --> 00:25:49,080 Speaker 1: the rest of the world, it just wasn't enough. It 398 00:25:49,560 --> 00:25:54,159 Speaker 1: just wasn't enough, And it wasn't enough because we're sexual 399 00:25:54,200 --> 00:25:57,960 Speaker 1: for giving nation. We give people second chances and third 400 00:25:58,040 --> 00:26:05,119 Speaker 1: chances and fourth chances. And now in the last days 401 00:26:05,200 --> 00:26:11,080 Speaker 1: a stunning twist listen. Christopher Matthew Clements was indicted on 402 00:26:11,280 --> 00:26:16,080 Speaker 1: multiple felony charges to include the murders of Isabel Mercedes 403 00:26:16,119 --> 00:26:22,440 Speaker 1: Sellis and Marabelle Victoria Gonzalez. Clements was served the indictment 404 00:26:22,680 --> 00:26:26,000 Speaker 1: at the Maricopa County Jail, where he is being held 405 00:26:26,200 --> 00:26:29,919 Speaker 1: in conjunction with unrelated matters. As you were just hearing, 406 00:26:30,080 --> 00:26:35,760 Speaker 1: Christopher Matthew Clements, who had just been released from federal 407 00:26:36,000 --> 00:26:41,840 Speaker 1: prison for failure to register as a sex offender. His 408 00:26:41,920 --> 00:26:47,920 Speaker 1: conviction overturned on a technicality. We are learning now this guy, 409 00:26:48,040 --> 00:26:53,080 Speaker 1: Christopher Matthew Clements, moves into a home just two miles 410 00:26:53,240 --> 00:26:58,439 Speaker 1: away from six year old Isabel Sellis. That's where she 411 00:26:58,520 --> 00:27:06,520 Speaker 1: went missing us in one month later. I'm dumb struck. 412 00:27:06,840 --> 00:27:14,360 Speaker 1: I am overwhelmed right now, because Mark class. The first 413 00:27:14,560 --> 00:27:19,240 Speaker 1: thing you do once he's started the dogs looking, once 414 00:27:19,240 --> 00:27:21,959 Speaker 1: you start looking for the girl, is you look for 415 00:27:22,119 --> 00:27:27,119 Speaker 1: registered sex offenders in the area. He moves into a 416 00:27:27,200 --> 00:27:30,639 Speaker 1: home just two miles away from her, How do I 417 00:27:30,720 --> 00:27:34,120 Speaker 1: know she wasn't still alive? The problem is is that 418 00:27:34,600 --> 00:27:38,639 Speaker 1: this guy's history indicates that he failed to register as 419 00:27:38,720 --> 00:27:43,240 Speaker 1: a sex offender wherever he happened to be throughout the country, 420 00:27:43,320 --> 00:27:45,800 Speaker 1: and he was never held accountable with that for that. 421 00:27:46,280 --> 00:27:50,000 Speaker 1: Nobody ever said, well, you haven't registered, therefore you're going 422 00:27:50,040 --> 00:27:52,960 Speaker 1: to go back to prison. What they would do is 423 00:27:53,000 --> 00:27:55,680 Speaker 1: they would give him a pass and he would continue 424 00:27:55,680 --> 00:27:58,879 Speaker 1: to fail to register. And he did that here, and 425 00:27:58,920 --> 00:28:02,640 Speaker 1: he did that there, and he did that absolutely everywhere. 426 00:28:03,040 --> 00:28:05,320 Speaker 1: So I'm not even sure that he was on the 427 00:28:05,359 --> 00:28:08,760 Speaker 1: registry at that point. But you're exactly right. Megan's law 428 00:28:09,280 --> 00:28:12,760 Speaker 1: registering sex offenders and giving the community the ability to 429 00:28:12,800 --> 00:28:16,760 Speaker 1: find out who they are and where they are works 430 00:28:16,880 --> 00:28:19,520 Speaker 1: in every one of the fifty states, and people should 431 00:28:19,560 --> 00:28:23,080 Speaker 1: be using that registry. They should know who the predators are, 432 00:28:23,280 --> 00:28:27,080 Speaker 1: who the registered sex offenders are in their community, and 433 00:28:27,200 --> 00:28:30,400 Speaker 1: law enforcement should know it, and they should thoroughly bet 434 00:28:30,440 --> 00:28:33,000 Speaker 1: these guys and check these guys out and make sure 435 00:28:33,040 --> 00:28:35,840 Speaker 1: that their alibis are tight. And this is one boy 436 00:28:35,880 --> 00:28:39,560 Speaker 1: whose alibi was absolutely not tight on the night that 437 00:28:39,760 --> 00:28:44,480 Speaker 1: Isabelle disappeared. Jennifer Sakowski, investigative reporter, Crime online dot Com. 438 00:28:44,480 --> 00:28:46,880 Speaker 1: What do we know about this guy's record? You know, 439 00:28:46,920 --> 00:28:50,920 Speaker 1: we're talking about a convict with a long rap sheet, 440 00:28:51,040 --> 00:28:54,920 Speaker 1: a very long rap sheet. So in the sustanding twenty 441 00:28:55,000 --> 00:28:58,240 Speaker 1: years in four steets dating back to when he was 442 00:28:58,280 --> 00:29:04,240 Speaker 1: just sixteen years old in Christopher, sexually penetrated a victim 443 00:29:04,480 --> 00:29:08,360 Speaker 1: with a foreign object while staying in Oregon. He was 444 00:29:08,400 --> 00:29:12,240 Speaker 1: sentenced to eighteen months imprisonment, followed by ten years of 445 00:29:12,320 --> 00:29:16,040 Speaker 1: community supervision, which, as we know, that doesn't seem to 446 00:29:16,040 --> 00:29:20,600 Speaker 1: have happened. In July two thousand two, he received a 447 00:29:20,640 --> 00:29:24,960 Speaker 1: felony assault charge in King Cony, Washington. He pleaded guilty 448 00:29:25,000 --> 00:29:28,680 Speaker 1: and was sentenced to a year of probation. About four 449 00:29:28,800 --> 00:29:33,080 Speaker 1: months later after that, he was rested yet again on 450 00:29:33,160 --> 00:29:36,920 Speaker 1: a felony charge by identity theft and a misdemeanor charge 451 00:29:36,960 --> 00:29:41,440 Speaker 1: of obstructing keith officer. He pleaded guilty a month later 452 00:29:41,800 --> 00:29:46,920 Speaker 1: and was again sentenced to one year of probation. In 453 00:29:47,000 --> 00:29:50,160 Speaker 1: two thousand and six, he was charged with felony theft, 454 00:29:50,760 --> 00:29:55,680 Speaker 1: making harassing calls, and violating a protective order. It really 455 00:29:55,760 --> 00:29:59,280 Speaker 1: is unclear at this time with that case what is 456 00:29:59,320 --> 00:30:01,960 Speaker 1: sentence may a been or for those charges. Did he 457 00:30:02,120 --> 00:30:05,840 Speaker 1: just get probation again, I'm guessing, but there's not a 458 00:30:05,880 --> 00:30:09,120 Speaker 1: lot of info on that. Now we jumped into two 459 00:30:09,120 --> 00:30:13,480 Speaker 1: thousand six, Christopher was arrested in Florida for failing to 460 00:30:13,680 --> 00:30:17,520 Speaker 1: register as a sex offender. One of the times after 461 00:30:18,120 --> 00:30:21,640 Speaker 1: he attempted to file an interruption, you know, barrying harassment 462 00:30:21,680 --> 00:30:25,520 Speaker 1: against the women from the area. That's when they figured 463 00:30:25,560 --> 00:30:28,520 Speaker 1: out that he had failed to file as a sex offender. 464 00:30:28,800 --> 00:30:33,120 Speaker 1: He pleaded no contest and was, you guested, sentenced to probation. 465 00:30:34,040 --> 00:30:38,240 Speaker 1: In two thousand seven, he moved to Tucson, Arizona, where 466 00:30:38,320 --> 00:30:42,560 Speaker 1: he once again these charges for failing to register as 467 00:30:42,560 --> 00:30:46,320 Speaker 1: a sex offender. This time, he he got out on 468 00:30:46,360 --> 00:30:50,160 Speaker 1: this technicality that he wasn't well, almost split out, that 469 00:30:50,240 --> 00:30:53,280 Speaker 1: he was not read his mirandom rights. The charges were 470 00:30:53,320 --> 00:30:57,719 Speaker 1: almost dropped, but he was re indicted. He was convicted 471 00:30:57,840 --> 00:31:01,000 Speaker 1: and sentenced to forty six months in prison and along 472 00:31:01,000 --> 00:31:04,800 Speaker 1: with five years of supervise relief. You know it, Just 473 00:31:04,800 --> 00:31:06,920 Speaker 1: just wait a second, Wait a second, because I'm getting 474 00:31:06,960 --> 00:31:11,560 Speaker 1: sick to my stomach. Uh, is anybody noticing beside me 475 00:31:11,680 --> 00:31:13,880 Speaker 1: that every time he gets a slap on the wrist, 476 00:31:14,560 --> 00:31:17,400 Speaker 1: I mean to you, Joe's caught, Morgan. You've been in 477 00:31:17,440 --> 00:31:21,400 Speaker 1: plenty of of courtrooms. The judge has the rap sheet 478 00:31:21,800 --> 00:31:24,040 Speaker 1: right in front of him or her. So why does 479 00:31:24,080 --> 00:31:28,880 Speaker 1: this guy keep getting probation, probation, probation, over and over 480 00:31:28,920 --> 00:31:31,400 Speaker 1: and over, early release, on and on and on and 481 00:31:31,440 --> 00:31:35,480 Speaker 1: now Isabel is dead and her parents have been dragged 482 00:31:35,480 --> 00:31:39,240 Speaker 1: through the mud. Yeah, yeah, it's it's like it's it's 483 00:31:39,320 --> 00:31:42,240 Speaker 1: the path at least resistance. In the courts. They just 484 00:31:42,360 --> 00:31:44,920 Speaker 1: disposed of this case as quickly as they can because 485 00:31:44,920 --> 00:31:49,600 Speaker 1: he's just another face appearing in this course in their courts. 486 00:31:49,760 --> 00:31:52,280 Speaker 1: Of course, that doesn't apply to Isabel, now, does it. 487 00:31:52,760 --> 00:31:56,400 Speaker 1: He's not just another face He's a person that purposely 488 00:31:56,480 --> 00:32:01,680 Speaker 1: went and removed the screen off of her window, Nancy 489 00:32:01,920 --> 00:32:06,240 Speaker 1: off of her window, crept into her window, into the 490 00:32:06,240 --> 00:32:10,480 Speaker 1: home of this family, and destroyed this little girl's life 491 00:32:10,640 --> 00:32:16,160 Speaker 1: and her family's life as well. We miss you so much, 492 00:32:16,200 --> 00:32:20,920 Speaker 1: he said. Your brothers miss you so much. We want 493 00:32:20,960 --> 00:32:24,440 Speaker 1: you back. We're looking for you. We will not stop 494 00:32:24,480 --> 00:32:27,200 Speaker 1: looking for you. We want you back more than anything 495 00:32:27,200 --> 00:32:30,240 Speaker 1: else in the world. Were obviously we don't want to 496 00:32:30,240 --> 00:32:32,640 Speaker 1: be here, but we will be in front of these cameras. 497 00:32:32,640 --> 00:32:35,280 Speaker 1: We will talk to everyone we need to talk. We 498 00:32:35,360 --> 00:32:37,280 Speaker 1: are starting to get out there even more. We are 499 00:32:37,360 --> 00:32:39,840 Speaker 1: gathering up our strength. We do have to take care 500 00:32:39,880 --> 00:32:42,080 Speaker 1: of her brothers, but we want you back, and we 501 00:32:42,200 --> 00:32:45,320 Speaker 1: miss you so much. Your brothers miss you so much, 502 00:32:45,880 --> 00:32:48,360 Speaker 1: and we are We're willing to do everything and anything 503 00:32:48,400 --> 00:32:51,800 Speaker 1: we can. So we are doing, you know, getting in 504 00:32:51,840 --> 00:32:54,120 Speaker 1: front of the places we don't want to be, and 505 00:32:54,240 --> 00:32:57,520 Speaker 1: absolutely everything else. We have lots of things going on 506 00:32:57,600 --> 00:33:00,800 Speaker 1: that we were part of the volunteer groups. We are 507 00:33:00,880 --> 00:33:03,800 Speaker 1: going to be at these benefits and we are going 508 00:33:03,840 --> 00:33:07,920 Speaker 1: to start being out in front. You're hearing Isabel's parents 509 00:33:08,000 --> 00:33:11,160 Speaker 1: speaking out to the media about the search for their 510 00:33:11,160 --> 00:33:14,920 Speaker 1: little girl, Isabel's sillys after they themselves, especially the father 511 00:33:15,680 --> 00:33:21,080 Speaker 1: was attacked partially because of his demeanor. Was very calm, cool, 512 00:33:21,160 --> 00:33:24,000 Speaker 1: even laughing at the time she went missing. Now we 513 00:33:24,160 --> 00:33:28,720 Speaker 1: understand the turmoil inside of him. He was trying to 514 00:33:28,760 --> 00:33:33,160 Speaker 1: stay calm and cool to find his daughter, the first 515 00:33:33,160 --> 00:33:35,320 Speaker 1: one to report her missing, the last one to see 516 00:33:35,320 --> 00:33:38,520 Speaker 1: her the night before suspicion turned on him. It was 517 00:33:38,560 --> 00:33:45,280 Speaker 1: wrong the purp. Now we know a convicted sex offender 518 00:33:45,600 --> 00:33:49,120 Speaker 1: who had moved just two miles away from Isabel's home 519 00:33:49,400 --> 00:33:53,760 Speaker 1: within a month she was gone. To Jennifer Stigowski, Crime 520 00:33:53,800 --> 00:33:56,760 Speaker 1: online dot Com investigative reporter, I want to talk to 521 00:33:56,800 --> 00:34:01,000 Speaker 1: you about Marabel Gonzalez and how she relates to the 522 00:34:01,040 --> 00:34:05,720 Speaker 1: disappearance of Isabel Sleas Because it was years before Isabel's 523 00:34:05,760 --> 00:34:09,760 Speaker 1: body her remains were found buried in a rural area 524 00:34:09,800 --> 00:34:13,920 Speaker 1: from an anonymous tip to police. How does that relate 525 00:34:13,960 --> 00:34:17,880 Speaker 1: to Mirabel Gonzalez. Mary Bell left her home and two sons. 526 00:34:18,320 --> 00:34:21,360 Speaker 1: It was less than a mile away from where sweet 527 00:34:21,400 --> 00:34:25,200 Speaker 1: Isabel had vanished from. She was walking to a friend's house, 528 00:34:25,560 --> 00:34:29,960 Speaker 1: but she never returned. Uh. Mary Bell's body was found 529 00:34:30,000 --> 00:34:33,200 Speaker 1: two days after she was reported missing in a remote 530 00:34:33,200 --> 00:34:36,799 Speaker 1: part of the northern to Son, and it's reported that 531 00:34:36,840 --> 00:34:40,400 Speaker 1: it was in the general area of where Isabel's remains 532 00:34:40,440 --> 00:34:45,560 Speaker 1: were found. Police discovered mary belt nude body lying under 533 00:34:45,560 --> 00:34:49,279 Speaker 1: a mesquite tree, covered by two tires and lying faced out. 534 00:34:49,520 --> 00:34:55,560 Speaker 1: Mirabel Gonzalez went missing from her home in Tucson and 535 00:34:55,640 --> 00:35:01,600 Speaker 1: two thousand four, her body, as Jennifer just reported, was 536 00:35:01,640 --> 00:35:06,200 Speaker 1: found several days later miles away in a deserted area 537 00:35:06,400 --> 00:35:12,840 Speaker 1: near Trico Road. We also know that Isabel's body her remains, 538 00:35:12,840 --> 00:35:15,040 Speaker 1: there was really nothing left of her, but her skull 539 00:35:15,800 --> 00:35:22,680 Speaker 1: was found in a similar rural area. I'm just trying 540 00:35:22,680 --> 00:35:27,680 Speaker 1: to figure out in answer to Jennifer's question why the 541 00:35:27,719 --> 00:35:31,800 Speaker 1: two were not cooperating. There was several years between Isabel's 542 00:35:31,800 --> 00:35:37,520 Speaker 1: disappearance and the other disappearance of marabelle Um. We still 543 00:35:37,760 --> 00:35:43,440 Speaker 1: don't know how Isabel was killed, but we do know 544 00:35:43,600 --> 00:35:47,240 Speaker 1: her clothes were not found with her, and like Marabel Gonzalez, 545 00:35:49,040 --> 00:35:53,520 Speaker 1: who was also knew that indicates a sex motive. In 546 00:35:53,560 --> 00:35:56,439 Speaker 1: the last hours, we are learning more and more about 547 00:35:56,520 --> 00:36:01,120 Speaker 1: the man charged in not one, but two abduction and murders. 548 00:36:01,239 --> 00:36:03,600 Speaker 1: I have no doubt in my mind he just got 549 00:36:03,640 --> 00:36:07,279 Speaker 1: Morgan forensics expert. This is not his first time. You 550 00:36:07,320 --> 00:36:11,280 Speaker 1: don't go from zero to one twenty overnight. I wonder 551 00:36:11,440 --> 00:36:14,200 Speaker 1: if there are other dead bodies out there. Yeah, I'll 552 00:36:14,200 --> 00:36:16,400 Speaker 1: do too, Nancy. And this is this is the curious 553 00:36:16,400 --> 00:36:19,480 Speaker 1: thing about it. He's been in Florida, he's been in Oregon. 554 00:36:19,840 --> 00:36:21,400 Speaker 1: That correct me if I'm wrong. I think he may 555 00:36:21,440 --> 00:36:24,040 Speaker 1: have been in Washington State. And of course it's been 556 00:36:24,040 --> 00:36:28,480 Speaker 1: in Arizona. And you see these movements and look everything 557 00:36:28,480 --> 00:36:30,480 Speaker 1: that he does, all those other charges that you heard 558 00:36:30,520 --> 00:36:33,080 Speaker 1: about this guy with theft and all these other things. 559 00:36:33,760 --> 00:36:36,200 Speaker 1: They're just in broidering around the edges. There a means 560 00:36:36,239 --> 00:36:38,600 Speaker 1: to an end to do what this guy is about, 561 00:36:38,719 --> 00:36:42,520 Speaker 1: the ultimate heinous crime out there. He is certain he's 562 00:36:42,520 --> 00:36:46,200 Speaker 1: a hunter. He's out there hunting these little children day 563 00:36:46,239 --> 00:36:48,480 Speaker 1: after day. That's what this guy thinks about. It is 564 00:36:48,520 --> 00:36:52,120 Speaker 1: what he obsesses about. And then you know, kind of 565 00:36:52,239 --> 00:36:57,160 Speaker 1: kind of the finale here, these two little girls that 566 00:36:57,200 --> 00:37:01,400 Speaker 1: we're talking about today, within close roximity of one another. 567 00:37:01,520 --> 00:37:03,600 Speaker 1: It all came around in a great, big circle. I 568 00:37:03,640 --> 00:37:06,480 Speaker 1: wonder how many other bodies are out there. Twice in 569 00:37:06,520 --> 00:37:10,439 Speaker 1: just two years, a little twosung girl disappears and ends 570 00:37:10,520 --> 00:37:16,120 Speaker 1: up dead and a spot of desert and rural Pema County. 571 00:37:16,320 --> 00:37:21,120 Speaker 1: Isabel Salise and Marabel Victoria Gonzalez. They don't have a 572 00:37:21,160 --> 00:37:26,080 Speaker 1: lot more in common. Isabel just six, Marabel thirteen. She 573 00:37:26,239 --> 00:37:30,439 Speaker 1: disappeared walking to a friend's home. Isabel taken from her 574 00:37:30,440 --> 00:37:34,279 Speaker 1: own home. But what they do have in common is 575 00:37:34,360 --> 00:37:39,839 Speaker 1: Christopher Matthew Clements Mark class. Do you believe he was 576 00:37:40,480 --> 00:37:44,560 Speaker 1: stalking these two girls. Of course he was stalking, there's 577 00:37:44,600 --> 00:37:47,120 Speaker 1: one question about that. He stopped them, he saw them, 578 00:37:47,120 --> 00:37:49,839 Speaker 1: and he stoked them. He took them, and he murdered them. 579 00:37:50,120 --> 00:37:52,920 Speaker 1: That's what happened. And you know, another comment out what 580 00:37:53,080 --> 00:37:55,960 Speaker 1: he is that these girls are victims of a criminal 581 00:37:56,120 --> 00:38:01,239 Speaker 1: justice system that just completely sailed them in every way possible. 582 00:38:01,600 --> 00:38:04,719 Speaker 1: What exactly were the judges thinking when they looked at 583 00:38:04,760 --> 00:38:08,560 Speaker 1: this guy's twenty year rap sheet and continually gave him 584 00:38:08,560 --> 00:38:10,920 Speaker 1: a pass. What did they think the end game was 585 00:38:10,960 --> 00:38:13,520 Speaker 1: going to be? Exactly? I think they had to know 586 00:38:13,600 --> 00:38:15,400 Speaker 1: what the end game was going to be. What they 587 00:38:15,440 --> 00:38:19,240 Speaker 1: were hoping that it wouldn't be within their jurisdiction. Nancy. 588 00:38:19,320 --> 00:38:21,960 Speaker 1: Back in the ninety nineties, there was a voter driven 589 00:38:22,000 --> 00:38:25,960 Speaker 1: initiative called three Strikes in Year Out that that was 590 00:38:26,280 --> 00:38:30,200 Speaker 1: created the whole characters like this accountable for their actions. 591 00:38:30,239 --> 00:38:33,200 Speaker 1: That basically said whatever you've done in the past, that 592 00:38:33,280 --> 00:38:35,960 Speaker 1: if you have convictions in the past, if you commit 593 00:38:36,000 --> 00:38:39,000 Speaker 1: another crime in the future, you're looking at twenty five 594 00:38:39,080 --> 00:38:42,160 Speaker 1: years to life. And that piece of legislation was so 595 00:38:42,239 --> 00:38:46,400 Speaker 1: successful that it helped cut crime in half in California. 596 00:38:46,760 --> 00:38:49,600 Speaker 1: And now it's been undone in California and it's being 597 00:38:49,680 --> 00:38:53,080 Speaker 1: undone in other places. And characters like this walk to 598 00:38:53,320 --> 00:38:55,640 Speaker 1: this clements are going to be back out on the 599 00:38:55,680 --> 00:38:58,920 Speaker 1: streets again, and little girls are going to be targets 600 00:38:59,080 --> 00:39:00,879 Speaker 1: and we're not even want to be able to take 601 00:39:00,920 --> 00:39:04,000 Speaker 1: them to their little league games because characters like this 602 00:39:04,200 --> 00:39:06,719 Speaker 1: are going to be lurking in the bushes waiting for 603 00:39:06,760 --> 00:39:10,719 Speaker 1: their opportunity. It's just sick. Dashy Wilcot j even I'll 604 00:39:10,800 --> 00:39:13,600 Speaker 1: judge lawyer and founder of Child Crime watch dot com 605 00:39:13,960 --> 00:39:18,680 Speaker 1: Mark class again is correct. How can judges keep doing it? 606 00:39:18,760 --> 00:39:20,719 Speaker 1: Actually with the rap sheet right in front of them 607 00:39:20,719 --> 00:39:23,200 Speaker 1: when they do these lenient sentences as so as you know, 608 00:39:23,320 --> 00:39:25,399 Speaker 1: I said as a pro tem Judge Nancy, and there's 609 00:39:25,440 --> 00:39:29,200 Speaker 1: no excuse there's no defending that. Here's the problem is 610 00:39:29,239 --> 00:39:34,400 Speaker 1: that I see unfortunately sometimes judges get caught up in 611 00:39:35,080 --> 00:39:38,680 Speaker 1: the fact that court dockets are very, very full. It's 612 00:39:38,719 --> 00:39:41,960 Speaker 1: not an excuse. They need to look at all of 613 00:39:42,000 --> 00:39:45,000 Speaker 1: the history of a criminal before them, and they don't. 614 00:39:45,160 --> 00:39:47,960 Speaker 1: I see it time after time where they just sentence 615 00:39:48,040 --> 00:39:49,960 Speaker 1: based on the one thing they're there, and they don't 616 00:39:50,000 --> 00:39:52,640 Speaker 1: take the time to delve into it and say, wow, 617 00:39:52,800 --> 00:39:55,800 Speaker 1: look at this criminal history, look at this rap sheet. 618 00:39:56,000 --> 00:39:58,600 Speaker 1: What do we need to do. Because a judge should 619 00:39:58,600 --> 00:40:01,399 Speaker 1: not just look at what's a immediately in front of me. 620 00:40:01,680 --> 00:40:04,960 Speaker 1: A judge is tasked with looking at the entire picture, 621 00:40:04,960 --> 00:40:07,600 Speaker 1: which includes all the criminal history. So this is another 622 00:40:07,640 --> 00:40:10,960 Speaker 1: system fail. Judges have got to be diligent and looking 623 00:40:11,000 --> 00:40:14,040 Speaker 1: at every single thing a defendant has done to then 624 00:40:14,080 --> 00:40:16,520 Speaker 1: apply the law to the facts to make the best 625 00:40:16,560 --> 00:40:19,799 Speaker 1: sentence so that this predator does not continue to be 626 00:40:19,840 --> 00:40:23,600 Speaker 1: a predators. Dartwort psychologist way in the worst part is 627 00:40:24,040 --> 00:40:28,160 Speaker 1: that I think that one of the guests said, they 628 00:40:28,200 --> 00:40:30,640 Speaker 1: do get to see the rapt seat, they do get 629 00:40:30,680 --> 00:40:34,520 Speaker 1: to see what's going on in this person's criminal past, 630 00:40:35,080 --> 00:40:38,640 Speaker 1: and they go ahead and give them a free pass. Anyway, 631 00:40:38,880 --> 00:40:42,279 Speaker 1: which is really hard to comprehend. The hardest part to 632 00:40:42,360 --> 00:40:47,400 Speaker 1: comprehend is that the parents are left with guilt, Nancy. 633 00:40:47,480 --> 00:40:50,360 Speaker 1: They will never get over this, and they will always 634 00:40:50,440 --> 00:40:53,919 Speaker 1: blame themselves. You could hear it in Mark's voice. They 635 00:40:53,960 --> 00:40:57,440 Speaker 1: wonder what could they have done differently? They relive it. 636 00:40:57,440 --> 00:41:00,520 Speaker 1: It is the worst thing that could happen to any parent. 637 00:41:00,800 --> 00:41:04,000 Speaker 1: When we talk about violent crime, it's almost as if 638 00:41:04,040 --> 00:41:07,080 Speaker 1: we're drinking from a fire hydrant. It's just too much, 639 00:41:07,120 --> 00:41:10,920 Speaker 1: too fast, too furious. 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It's 648 00:41:47,560 --> 00:41:51,520 Speaker 1: a musty TV event with exclusive interviews that take you 649 00:41:51,760 --> 00:41:57,120 Speaker 1: inside the investigation as a search for answers and justice 650 00:41:57,800 --> 00:42:02,239 Speaker 1: goes on. Don't miss it. It is unspeakable crime. The 651 00:42:02,400 --> 00:42:07,719 Speaker 1: killing on Jessica Chamber Saturday's seven sixth Central on Oxygen, 652 00:42:08,080 --> 00:42:13,440 Speaker 1: the new network for crime. You know, Mark, I just 653 00:42:13,560 --> 00:42:21,759 Speaker 1: can't get out of my mind about Isabel and now Marabel. Well, yea, Mark, 654 00:42:23,440 --> 00:42:27,600 Speaker 1: our little boys and our little girls are the most 655 00:42:27,760 --> 00:42:31,560 Speaker 1: crucious things we have in our lives, and it's our 656 00:42:31,680 --> 00:42:35,319 Speaker 1: duty as individuals and as governments to protect them. And 657 00:42:35,520 --> 00:42:39,080 Speaker 1: there's been an abject failure all along the line for 658 00:42:39,200 --> 00:42:42,359 Speaker 1: these two little girls. And we would hope that their 659 00:42:42,440 --> 00:42:45,960 Speaker 1: legacy would be that we will correct the wrongs that 660 00:42:46,000 --> 00:42:49,360 Speaker 1: have been done so that the other children can be protected, 661 00:42:49,719 --> 00:42:53,760 Speaker 1: so that, as Karen mentioned a moment ago, folks won't 662 00:42:53,760 --> 00:42:55,799 Speaker 1: have to live with the guilty of wondering what they 663 00:42:55,840 --> 00:42:59,839 Speaker 1: could have done forever and ever and ever. And that's 664 00:43:00,160 --> 00:43:05,680 Speaker 1: or the perp behind bars. Arizona is a death penalty state. 665 00:43:06,920 --> 00:43:10,400 Speaker 1: The families of two little girls waiting along with us 666 00:43:10,440 --> 00:43:17,640 Speaker 1: as justice unfalls. Nancy Grace Crime Stories signing off Goodbye friend.