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Speaker 1: This is Frosted Tips with Lance Bass and iHeartRadio Podcast. Hello,

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Speaker 1: my little Peanuts, It's me your host, Lance Bass. This

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Speaker 1: is Frosted Tips with me Lance Bass and my co

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Speaker 1: host Michael Turchin. Hello, the Turkey churching for you guys

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Speaker 1: and my husband. So I'm excited today because you know,

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Speaker 1: I love to reach across the pond and bring in

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Speaker 1: some British acts over here.

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Speaker 2: We're going international.

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Speaker 1: We're going international day with one of the best pop

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Speaker 1: funk boy bands ever, Busted Busted Stick. Yes, we have

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Speaker 1: James Bourne on the show today. Man, this man is

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Speaker 1: so talented, not only just you know, incredible performer, musician,

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Speaker 1: but he can write some songs. Yeah, so we're gonna

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Speaker 1: get into that. And I'm gonna go ahead and just

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Speaker 1: kind of start the sho show early because I know

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Speaker 1: we're gonna go along with this one. I have so

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Speaker 1: much to learn, yeah from James.

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Speaker 2: He's done so much.

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Speaker 1: So let's take a little break, will come back. James

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Speaker 1: Bourne is gonna be here and we have lots and

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Speaker 1: not to Nott's talk about. We'll be right back. Welcome

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Speaker 1: back to the show, all right. James Bourne, English singer,

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Speaker 1: amazing songwriter, musician known as the co founder of the

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Speaker 1: pop punk boy band Busted alongside Matt Willis in Future

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Speaker 1: Fight Star front man Charlie Simpson from two thousand and

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Speaker 1: one to two thousand and five. The band managed to

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Speaker 1: achieve four chart topping singles, multiple successful albums, and sell

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Speaker 1: out tours. James's other projects include the band Son of Dork,

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Speaker 1: mcbusted and his own solo music. Busted has reunited for

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Speaker 1: their twentieth anniversary and we'll embark on a reunion tour

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Speaker 1: in the UK this year. James Bourne, Welcome to Frosted Tips.

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Speaker 3: So much having me on the show. Crazy, real, amazing

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Speaker 3: to be here actually because you know, obviously, uh grew

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Speaker 3: up loving and Sync.

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Speaker 1: You know, so you knew who we were because it's

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Speaker 1: we didn't spend much kidding. Is that a joke?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, you know under the President, nobody in the UK

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Speaker 4: knew who Sync was.

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Speaker 1: Well because we didn't really, I.

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Speaker 3: Don't know, we didn't spend much time people people knew.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I found that also, you know, British entertainers also

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Speaker 1: don't spend enough time in America too, And I think

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Speaker 1: it's like with Busted, I feel like, you know, you

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Speaker 2: You're huge.

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Speaker 1: Did y'all try to break it in America or did

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Speaker 1: y'all just just say like, well, we love our you.

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Speaker 3: Know, we we we we we had we We were

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Speaker 3: the reverse case of the problem that you were describing

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Speaker 3: that you don't have. Yeah we uh yeah we uh.

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Speaker 3: We started in the UK, and this was before my

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Speaker 3: Space and Twitter and you know, the social media thing

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Speaker 3: just didn't exist, and you know, but you got into

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Speaker 3: magazines and the radio and television and that's how people

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Speaker 3: started to you know, when when you tell when you

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Speaker 3: tell your friends you're leaving college or dropping out to

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Speaker 3: wonder if it's real, you know, when they see you

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Speaker 3: on the in the television or in the magaz that's

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Speaker 3: when they start to be like, oh.

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Speaker 1: Oh this is real.

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Speaker 3: It's real.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's what you always say.

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Speaker 1: Well, I know because we started, you know, in Europe.

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Speaker 1: For we were in Germany for a couple of years

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Speaker 1: and I'd left high school. So all my high school

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Speaker 1: friends are like, what are you doing. I'm like, I

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Speaker 1: swear we're like the Beatles over in Europe, Like we

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Speaker 3: Because it's in the beginning.

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, they're like sure, and we come back to

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Speaker 3: So so because I because I feel like I like

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Speaker 3: music history trivia or on point did you start in Germany?

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Speaker 3: That's what I thought. And and it's crazy. I always

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Speaker 3: and followed and was interested. I was interested in your

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Speaker 1: So that was take that for me. Yeah, like watching

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Speaker 3: Right and they did come before you guys, Just I

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Speaker 3: first part of the nineties. They were around, and you

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Speaker 1: Yeah, we started in Europe, we were there in ninety six,

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Speaker 1: but we didn't really come to America until about ninety eight. Okay,

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Speaker 1: before we get into the group and how it all starts,

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Speaker 1: let's go back to the beginning. James, where were you born.

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Speaker 3: I was born in a town called Rochford, which is

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Speaker 3: was living a very comfortable, normal life. I had a

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Speaker 1: Did you have a like, was your family into music?

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Speaker 3: They supported that? I was. I was sort of the

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Speaker 3: first one. It was like where does that come from?

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Speaker 3: I was definitely like it was definitely like what do

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Speaker 3: it was definitely. I definitely I definitely felt like, you know,

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Speaker 3: I watched Back to the Future when I was eight

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Speaker 3: I saw the scene where he plays the guitar, and

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Speaker 3: I was like, I want to do that.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, and what instruments do you play.

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Speaker 3: Guitar and piano and I, you know, those are my

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Speaker 1: Were you self talk.

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Speaker 3: Like yeah, like yeah, well I wasn't.

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Speaker 1: I was.

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Speaker 3: I taught myself how to play the piano.

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Speaker 1: What would you say is the best instrument that you

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Speaker 3: Right now? It's probably a guitar and piano, and I

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Speaker 3: if I think of a song, if I'm driving my

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Speaker 3: I can't wait to try and hear what that sounds

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Speaker 1: But do you remember the first song you wrote?

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Speaker 3: Yeah?

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Speaker 3: It was terrible? Uh, like thirteen? It was probably one

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Speaker 3: mean you start. I remember I started a band when

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Speaker 3: when you're thirteen, Like, it's pretty hard to get to

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Speaker 1: And you can't even get into the clubs.

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Speaker 3: Yeah you cain't. Well, yeah, we used to get kicked out.

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Speaker 3: We used to play in bars when I was like fifteen,

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Speaker 3: and I never got serious about other stuff. It was

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Speaker 3: but the person behind the group got in contact and said,

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Speaker 1: Yeah, is that one busted began?

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Speaker 3: I was in when I was at school. Oh, it

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Speaker 3: was called Sick Puppy.

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Speaker 3: It kind of had like it was kind of you know,

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Speaker 3: we wanted to be like Green Day, but we weren't

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Speaker 3: quite that. And you know, like one of the guys

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Speaker 3: and I remember what he was like, so, what's this

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Speaker 3: was like, we should stay in touch, you know, play

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Speaker 3: me your songs. I would play them from that He

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Speaker 3: was from Los Angeles and he would cool every day

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Speaker 3: and I wouldn't and he would just straight up tell

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Speaker 3: was kind of good that he did say that to me.

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Speaker 3: So I spent the next year or two trying to

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Speaker 3: was sold out in this thing and went. When I

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00:20:46,560 --> 00:20:48,639
Speaker 3: walked into this it was like being in a dream,

439
00:20:48,760 --> 00:20:51,200
Speaker 3: you know, because it's such a long time. Twenty thirteen

440
00:20:51,320 --> 00:20:53,160
Speaker 3: was the West Day and it's been a decade since

441
00:20:53,200 --> 00:20:55,399
Speaker 3: it closed in London to sort of show up in

442
00:20:55,440 --> 00:20:57,840
Speaker 3: the other side of the world, so it was a

443
00:20:58,000 --> 00:21:00,639
Speaker 3: you know, and since then there's been more interest in it.

444
00:21:00,720 --> 00:21:03,600
Speaker 3: But I think musicals are interesting because they can regenerate.

445
00:21:03,960 --> 00:21:06,879
Speaker 3: There's always new people that can that can be in it.

446
00:21:07,280 --> 00:21:07,520
Speaker 2: Yeah.

447
00:21:07,560 --> 00:21:10,600
Speaker 1: And well when you did it in London, what what

448
00:21:10,720 --> 00:21:12,760
Speaker 1: cast did you want to put together? I mean that

449
00:21:12,800 --> 00:21:15,520
Speaker 1: must have been so fun too, Yeah, think about, Wow,

450
00:21:15,560 --> 00:21:17,480
Speaker 1: I'm going to cast this person I've always loved.

451
00:21:17,840 --> 00:21:20,680
Speaker 3: Yeah. Well, to be honest, it wasn't easy to get

452
00:21:20,720 --> 00:21:23,760
Speaker 3: the people that you know, we probably would have, you know,

453
00:21:24,040 --> 00:21:26,560
Speaker 3: out the first choices that we would have wanted that

454
00:21:27,160 --> 00:21:29,720
Speaker 3: probably wouldn't have wanted to make themselves available.

455
00:21:30,119 --> 00:21:32,520
Speaker 1: Well that's the other thing. I mean, like with Broadway too,

456
00:21:32,600 --> 00:21:35,960
Speaker 1: it's just to get the person you want to see

457
00:21:36,000 --> 00:21:37,800
Speaker 1: if they have six months to take out of their

458
00:21:37,840 --> 00:21:40,119
Speaker 1: busy schedule. Yeah, it's it's almost impossible.

459
00:21:40,160 --> 00:21:41,040
Speaker 2: That's it really is.

460
00:21:41,359 --> 00:21:44,600
Speaker 3: Yeah. And so like if you like, I mean it's

461
00:21:44,600 --> 00:21:48,199
Speaker 3: hard to get say because some really like amazing A

462
00:21:48,320 --> 00:21:53,120
Speaker 3: list actors will do plays in London and even musicals.

463
00:21:53,119 --> 00:21:55,320
Speaker 3: I mean you get like Hugh Jackman does musicals or whatever.

464
00:21:55,359 --> 00:21:58,160
Speaker 3: But first of all, the show Luzerville's quite a young show,

465
00:21:58,720 --> 00:22:04,000
Speaker 3: so for young talent, I mean it's not easy to

466
00:22:04,080 --> 00:22:06,640
Speaker 3: convince someone who's on a huge TV show to come

467
00:22:06,640 --> 00:22:09,160
Speaker 3: and be in a musical that no one knows. Yeah,

468
00:22:09,520 --> 00:22:12,560
Speaker 3: and that's what I mean. Louiserville has got a little

469
00:22:12,600 --> 00:22:15,320
Speaker 3: bit more known in the last ten years. But it's

470
00:22:15,440 --> 00:22:18,159
Speaker 3: also it's not like it's a classic. It's not like

471
00:22:18,200 --> 00:22:20,720
Speaker 3: Hamilton or Laine Is or Wickets. It's it's a musical

472
00:22:20,720 --> 00:22:22,920
Speaker 3: that could one day, you know, have have some more

473
00:22:22,960 --> 00:22:25,760
Speaker 3: success if it keeps going. But it you know, there's

474
00:22:25,800 --> 00:22:31,119
Speaker 3: a lot of different levels to this, and convincing people

475
00:22:31,160 --> 00:22:33,640
Speaker 3: to do it is hard. Sometimes they have to know it.

476
00:22:33,680 --> 00:22:35,840
Speaker 1: I'm always looking for something like that because if I

477
00:22:35,840 --> 00:22:38,320
Speaker 1: ever went back to Broadway, unless it was a show

478
00:22:38,320 --> 00:22:41,280
Speaker 1: that I absolutely just loved, you I wanted to do

479
00:22:41,320 --> 00:22:43,720
Speaker 1: a part. Great, But next time I go to Broadway,

480
00:22:43,760 --> 00:22:46,719
Speaker 1: it's going to be in a new musical because I

481
00:22:46,760 --> 00:22:49,040
Speaker 1: want to get Tony nominated. Yeah I want. I want

482
00:22:49,040 --> 00:22:51,199
Speaker 1: to open a show, and I would think, you know,

483
00:22:51,280 --> 00:22:53,400
Speaker 1: a lot of actors out there would just be searching

484
00:22:53,440 --> 00:22:55,240
Speaker 1: for that. Okay, this I can finally be a part

485
00:22:55,240 --> 00:22:56,120
Speaker 1: of opening a.

486
00:22:56,040 --> 00:22:58,760
Speaker 3: Show and be a part of that good information to know, yeah,

487
00:22:58,840 --> 00:23:03,399
Speaker 3: yeah you was it that way? Yeah you? Because I've

488
00:23:03,400 --> 00:23:07,480
Speaker 3: written seven musicals now wow. Yeah, and time to write

489
00:23:07,520 --> 00:23:09,800
Speaker 3: seven musicals because I always writing something.

490
00:23:09,880 --> 00:23:10,360
Speaker 1: Yeah.

491
00:23:10,440 --> 00:23:13,359
Speaker 3: And and the thing is one of the show that

492
00:23:13,359 --> 00:23:16,159
Speaker 3: I'm really excited about, uh, is a show that I

493
00:23:16,160 --> 00:23:19,280
Speaker 3: wrote with a guy called Stephen Sata who had a

494
00:23:19,359 --> 00:23:22,040
Speaker 3: huge hit with the show Spring Awakening. So he wrote

495
00:23:22,080 --> 00:23:23,880
Speaker 3: the book and the lyrics for that show.

496
00:23:24,080 --> 00:23:26,280
Speaker 1: We saw that. I saw that opening Broadway, and then

497
00:23:26,320 --> 00:23:30,480
Speaker 1: we saw the revival where they did the the deaf version.

498
00:23:30,880 --> 00:23:33,840
Speaker 3: Yeah, it was deaf West beautiful. It was one of

499
00:23:33,880 --> 00:23:34,480
Speaker 3: woods I think.

500
00:23:35,040 --> 00:23:36,960
Speaker 1: Yeh, it was thinking.

501
00:23:37,040 --> 00:23:37,800
Speaker 2: It was so good.

502
00:23:37,880 --> 00:23:38,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, it was so good.

503
00:23:38,880 --> 00:23:40,520
Speaker 3: Yeah, and it was wasn't that was on in LA

504
00:23:40,600 --> 00:23:41,280
Speaker 3: for a little bit too.

505
00:23:41,560 --> 00:23:42,960
Speaker 1: I saw in New York, so I don't know when

506
00:23:43,000 --> 00:23:45,400
Speaker 1: it was here in LA, but it was special.

507
00:23:45,560 --> 00:23:50,040
Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah, you know what I'm really regretting. You know,

508
00:23:50,080 --> 00:23:53,320
Speaker 3: I've actually never seen I saw a production of Spring

509
00:23:53,320 --> 00:23:56,000
Speaker 3: Awakening at n y U because we went there to

510
00:23:56,119 --> 00:23:58,639
Speaker 3: do the original workshop of the new show that was

511
00:23:58,640 --> 00:24:01,680
Speaker 3: writing with Stephen and and but everything else I knew

512
00:24:01,720 --> 00:24:05,040
Speaker 3: about the show was from the soundtrack they're listening, or

513
00:24:05,040 --> 00:24:08,760
Speaker 3: from YouTube actually promo stuff on YouTube of looking at

514
00:24:08,760 --> 00:24:12,679
Speaker 3: the Tony Awards, you know, that kind of stuff. But

515
00:24:12,680 --> 00:24:17,240
Speaker 3: but yeah, sort of like working with Stephen was really

516
00:24:17,280 --> 00:24:19,639
Speaker 3: cool because I was a fan of that show and

517
00:24:19,680 --> 00:24:22,400
Speaker 3: I was a fan of like his work. And we've

518
00:24:22,440 --> 00:24:24,920
Speaker 3: done a lot of you know, now we've written two

519
00:24:24,920 --> 00:24:27,600
Speaker 3: shows together and but you know, none of them have

520
00:24:27,720 --> 00:24:29,840
Speaker 3: made it to Broadway or the West End yet, but

521
00:24:29,960 --> 00:24:31,440
Speaker 3: the plan is hopefully to get it there.

522
00:24:31,640 --> 00:24:33,520
Speaker 1: So which one do you want to work on that?

523
00:24:33,640 --> 00:24:35,880
Speaker 1: Which one do you want to bring to the stage.

524
00:24:36,119 --> 00:24:38,000
Speaker 3: It'd be nice to see, you know, it'd be nice

525
00:24:38,000 --> 00:24:41,040
Speaker 3: to see Murder at the Gates get its opening.

526
00:24:41,280 --> 00:24:42,680
Speaker 1: And what's that about?

527
00:24:42,880 --> 00:24:49,200
Speaker 3: You know, it's it's a murder mystery musical love murder mystery. Yeah,

528
00:24:49,240 --> 00:24:54,320
Speaker 3: which is you know, it's a young cast, and you

529
00:24:54,359 --> 00:24:57,040
Speaker 3: know they're fucked up rich kids and sorry, I'm not

530
00:24:57,040 --> 00:25:02,920
Speaker 3: allowed to say that. Yes and so so so they

531
00:25:03,000 --> 00:25:05,280
Speaker 3: are in a gated community. They're the first house in

532
00:25:05,280 --> 00:25:07,680
Speaker 3: the gated community. The dad's greased a few palms. They're

533
00:25:07,680 --> 00:25:10,399
Speaker 3: in early so they're kind of isolated in this big house.

534
00:25:11,040 --> 00:25:15,399
Speaker 3: And yeah, the the lead, you know, the lead, the

535
00:25:15,480 --> 00:25:20,200
Speaker 3: leading part, Cameron. It's her birthday party and she's gone

536
00:25:20,200 --> 00:25:23,359
Speaker 3: through a breakup, her mom's died, and the dad's already

537
00:25:23,359 --> 00:25:26,520
Speaker 3: banging the housekeeper, and you know, her friends have all

538
00:25:26,520 --> 00:25:28,720
Speaker 3: ghosted her, and they've all shown up on her birthday,

539
00:25:28,840 --> 00:25:32,280
Speaker 3: like she's like mortified that they're there. And it's a

540
00:25:32,359 --> 00:25:35,000
Speaker 3: murder mystery and the first murder is real and the

541
00:25:35,080 --> 00:25:38,440
Speaker 3: play becomes real and they're locked down in the house

542
00:25:38,440 --> 00:25:42,320
Speaker 3: and it's and it's a musical. So it's like, I

543
00:25:42,359 --> 00:25:42,639
Speaker 3: love it.

544
00:25:42,680 --> 00:25:44,119
Speaker 1: Well, my favorite movie is Clue.

545
00:25:44,160 --> 00:25:45,600
Speaker 3: I don't know if you yes, So it's a it's

546
00:25:45,600 --> 00:25:47,640
Speaker 3: a lot, like it's a lot like this is very

547
00:25:47,920 --> 00:25:51,520
Speaker 3: speaking to me. This is like Clue meets Clueless.

548
00:25:51,640 --> 00:25:56,399
Speaker 1: Yeah. Hello, that's the best combination. Yeah, yeah, that's perfect

549
00:25:56,440 --> 00:25:58,919
Speaker 1: because I always thought Clue that story would be an

550
00:25:58,920 --> 00:26:01,720
Speaker 1: amazing musical, Like why haven't they turned Clue into a musical?

551
00:26:02,400 --> 00:26:02,600
Speaker 5: Yeah?

552
00:26:02,600 --> 00:26:04,639
Speaker 3: Well this this is definitely down that street.

553
00:26:04,800 --> 00:26:06,840
Speaker 1: Nice. Yeah, well, good luck with that.

554
00:26:07,040 --> 00:26:07,240
Speaker 3: Thanks.

555
00:26:07,240 --> 00:26:08,000
Speaker 1: I can't wait that.

556
00:26:08,080 --> 00:26:22,840
Speaker 5: Yeah.

557
00:26:22,880 --> 00:26:24,679
Speaker 1: All right, going back to Boston, what what year did

558
00:26:24,720 --> 00:26:26,760
Speaker 1: y'all get together? Two thousand and two?

559
00:26:27,680 --> 00:26:30,399
Speaker 3: Two thousand and two was the year that we got signed.

560
00:26:30,560 --> 00:26:34,199
Speaker 1: Okay, Yeah, so you know, in England, you know, and

561
00:26:34,280 --> 00:26:36,359
Speaker 1: especially I mean here in America at that time too,

562
00:26:36,840 --> 00:26:39,359
Speaker 1: a lot of groups, I mean, just you you guys,

563
00:26:39,400 --> 00:26:42,440
Speaker 1: had tons of boy bands, tops of you know, punk bands.

564
00:26:42,760 --> 00:26:45,600
Speaker 1: I mean, there was just lots of groups. How did

565
00:26:45,640 --> 00:26:47,200
Speaker 1: you how did you think you were going to be

566
00:26:47,240 --> 00:26:49,600
Speaker 1: able to stand out amongst all that competition.

567
00:26:51,680 --> 00:26:53,840
Speaker 3: I don't know if we thought that actually in the

568
00:26:53,880 --> 00:26:58,520
Speaker 3: beginning a good thing, but yeah, I remember, like when

569
00:26:58,520 --> 00:27:00,200
Speaker 3: we were I remember we're going to get signed. I

570
00:27:00,240 --> 00:27:02,960
Speaker 3: remember the kind of thing that people were saying about

571
00:27:03,040 --> 00:27:07,080
Speaker 3: us was we don't know how it fits. Yeah, that

572
00:27:07,119 --> 00:27:09,240
Speaker 3: would come back, that would be the feedback. You know,

573
00:27:09,280 --> 00:27:12,119
Speaker 3: people would sort of they would like us, and they

574
00:27:12,160 --> 00:27:14,840
Speaker 3: would we would perform live in the office and all

575
00:27:14,840 --> 00:27:18,480
Speaker 3: that stuff, and a lot of people would say that

576
00:27:18,480 --> 00:27:20,200
Speaker 3: about us. It's like, we love it, we just don't

577
00:27:20,200 --> 00:27:22,399
Speaker 3: really get where it belongs. So we don't know what

578
00:27:22,480 --> 00:27:25,920
Speaker 3: it is. Because it was pop music and it was

579
00:27:26,080 --> 00:27:29,119
Speaker 3: you know, our problem was we like dancing Kamblink. You know,

580
00:27:29,520 --> 00:27:32,720
Speaker 3: we like both things. We liked. You know, I think

581
00:27:32,760 --> 00:27:36,640
Speaker 3: there was people couldn't put us in that box right

582
00:27:36,760 --> 00:27:39,080
Speaker 3: because we would just talk about the music that we

583
00:27:39,280 --> 00:27:41,080
Speaker 3: liked and say, well, we like this and we liked that.

584
00:27:41,119 --> 00:27:41,760
Speaker 3: We like everything.

585
00:27:41,800 --> 00:27:45,680
Speaker 1: Your band was the perfect melting pot of the trol era. Yes,

586
00:27:45,680 --> 00:27:47,320
Speaker 1: but it's like if all the groups of child just

587
00:27:47,359 --> 00:27:50,240
Speaker 1: kind of had a baby, I feel like, yeah, Busted would.

588
00:27:50,040 --> 00:27:54,359
Speaker 3: Be that exactly. Say, we did that show and eventually,

589
00:27:54,400 --> 00:27:57,280
Speaker 3: but like and it was really fun day. Actually that

590
00:27:57,359 --> 00:27:59,920
Speaker 3: was a really good memory. But it was like that

591
00:28:00,040 --> 00:28:02,600
Speaker 3: in the beginning. And then we played for Simon caw

592
00:28:03,760 --> 00:28:07,080
Speaker 3: and he was sort of on the very it was

593
00:28:07,119 --> 00:28:09,879
Speaker 3: the beginning of his television fame, but it was so

594
00:28:10,000 --> 00:28:12,199
Speaker 3: early for his TV career that he was still an

595
00:28:12,200 --> 00:28:13,800
Speaker 3: A and R guy at a record company. You know,

596
00:28:14,080 --> 00:28:16,879
Speaker 3: he wasn't like completely a TV mogul. He was, he

597
00:28:16,920 --> 00:28:19,240
Speaker 3: was venturing into TV mogul world, but he was still

598
00:28:19,240 --> 00:28:22,720
Speaker 3: a guy that had an office in a record company. Yeah,

599
00:28:22,760 --> 00:28:26,560
Speaker 3: And we went to that office and we played for him,

600
00:28:26,600 --> 00:28:28,919
Speaker 3: and it was very scary, you know, because he was

601
00:28:28,960 --> 00:28:33,080
Speaker 3: the guy who was nasty to people and he just

602
00:28:33,119 --> 00:28:34,919
Speaker 3: said right there and then he offered us a record

603
00:28:34,920 --> 00:28:36,600
Speaker 3: deal and we were like jumping up and down in

604
00:28:36,640 --> 00:28:38,960
Speaker 3: the road outside him, we're going to get signed. And

605
00:28:39,600 --> 00:28:42,360
Speaker 3: then that kind of sent ripple effect through the industry

606
00:28:42,400 --> 00:28:45,200
Speaker 3: and we met with whoever we wanted after that, and

607
00:28:45,240 --> 00:28:47,200
Speaker 3: then we ended up not signing to him, but we

608
00:28:47,280 --> 00:28:52,720
Speaker 3: signed to Universal and which you know I would have.

609
00:28:52,880 --> 00:28:54,520
Speaker 3: Actually I was probably the one that was saying we

610
00:28:54,520 --> 00:28:57,280
Speaker 3: should sign to him. But you know, in a band,

611
00:28:57,320 --> 00:29:01,640
Speaker 3: it's like a lot of opinions, and was not you know,

612
00:29:01,680 --> 00:29:06,080
Speaker 3: I wasn't exactly upset about the deal that we got

613
00:29:06,080 --> 00:29:08,680
Speaker 3: with you know, Science, with the Universal. It was actually

614
00:29:08,720 --> 00:29:11,200
Speaker 3: a very you know, just it was better than my deal.

615
00:29:11,680 --> 00:29:14,480
Speaker 3: Really well you mean you I mean, this is the

616
00:29:14,520 --> 00:29:18,120
Speaker 3: thing with you know, when eventually we went to Germany.

617
00:29:18,160 --> 00:29:21,479
Speaker 3: I remember I met Lou Pullman and he came in.

618
00:29:21,520 --> 00:29:25,040
Speaker 3: There was a band there called Natural and we would

619
00:29:25,080 --> 00:29:27,040
Speaker 3: see them a lot. If when we were in Germany.

620
00:29:27,080 --> 00:29:28,200
Speaker 3: It was like in that era.

621
00:29:28,320 --> 00:29:30,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, because Natural came a little after us, because that's

622
00:29:30,920 --> 00:29:33,920
Speaker 1: when we left Lou once we found out he was

623
00:29:33,920 --> 00:29:35,840
Speaker 1: screwing us so badly. And then yeah, he came out

624
00:29:35,840 --> 00:29:38,720
Speaker 1: with Natural and O Town and so crazy. I'm telling

625
00:29:38,760 --> 00:29:41,200
Speaker 1: you have to. I did a documentary on him called

626
00:29:41,480 --> 00:29:43,480
Speaker 1: The Boy Band Cohn. So if you want to really

627
00:29:43,560 --> 00:29:44,880
Speaker 1: know the crazy.

628
00:29:44,720 --> 00:29:47,240
Speaker 3: Yeah, I've heard, I do. I do want to. I

629
00:29:47,280 --> 00:29:50,240
Speaker 3: do want to watch that because that's amazing because I've

630
00:29:50,280 --> 00:29:53,240
Speaker 3: I've heard about that and it's pretty intense. He's seemed good.

631
00:29:53,320 --> 00:29:55,440
Speaker 1: I think a warning to other bands and you know,

632
00:29:55,600 --> 00:29:58,920
Speaker 1: young bands getting that first deal. Definitely watch that doc

633
00:29:58,960 --> 00:29:59,680
Speaker 1: before you signed that.

634
00:29:59,640 --> 00:30:03,160
Speaker 3: D He's strikes me as like sort of like a

635
00:30:03,280 --> 00:30:06,560
Speaker 3: catch me if you can music manager. Oh yeah, right.

636
00:30:06,480 --> 00:30:09,080
Speaker 2: And that's what he kind of was, because it's just the.

637
00:30:09,000 --> 00:30:12,480
Speaker 1: Way he could lie. I mean, you believed everything this man.

638
00:30:12,520 --> 00:30:16,200
Speaker 1: I mean, he was family, we loved lou But I

639
00:30:16,200 --> 00:30:17,800
Speaker 1: mean everything he said you just believed.

640
00:30:18,040 --> 00:30:19,400
Speaker 3: How do you feel about him now.

641
00:30:19,880 --> 00:30:22,719
Speaker 1: I'm totally at peace with everything? Yeah, I mean, I

642
00:30:23,560 --> 00:30:25,320
Speaker 1: you know, it took a lot of therapy. I think

643
00:30:25,560 --> 00:30:27,120
Speaker 1: you know, the older you get, the more you're like, wow,

644
00:30:27,120 --> 00:30:29,000
Speaker 1: why do I still feel this way about this person

645
00:30:29,040 --> 00:30:31,800
Speaker 1: twenty five years ago? And then you kind of just

646
00:30:32,000 --> 00:30:34,480
Speaker 1: get to a point where I don't care anymore. I

647
00:30:34,560 --> 00:30:38,040
Speaker 1: forgive you know, it shouldn't eat on me at all,

648
00:30:38,160 --> 00:30:40,040
Speaker 1: And I do that with so many people in my life.

649
00:30:40,120 --> 00:30:41,720
Speaker 1: I just I don't care anymore. I just want to

650
00:30:41,720 --> 00:30:44,080
Speaker 1: move forward and look to the future and never look back.

651
00:30:44,320 --> 00:30:46,560
Speaker 3: Huh. Yeah, it's interesting.

652
00:30:46,640 --> 00:30:48,360
Speaker 1: Did youn't have bad management at first?

653
00:30:49,000 --> 00:30:52,360
Speaker 3: We were we were lucky. Yeah, I think you know what,

654
00:30:52,640 --> 00:30:57,240
Speaker 3: you know what I think about this. It never goes

655
00:30:58,080 --> 00:31:00,880
Speaker 3: exactly the way you want it to go oh, like

656
00:31:01,360 --> 00:31:04,400
Speaker 3: you know, and I don't know. I've never met anyone

657
00:31:04,600 --> 00:31:09,600
Speaker 3: where it has. And you know, I've experienced in my career.

658
00:31:09,800 --> 00:31:12,840
Speaker 3: I've you know, I've been in a band, I've I've

659
00:31:12,840 --> 00:31:17,400
Speaker 3: helped other artists, have helped other bands happen. I've written

660
00:31:17,640 --> 00:31:20,040
Speaker 3: for other artists. I've been on even on the music

661
00:31:20,040 --> 00:31:25,520
Speaker 3: publishing side. You know, I've signed people, and I've seen

662
00:31:25,840 --> 00:31:27,959
Speaker 3: what it's like to be on the other side when

663
00:31:28,040 --> 00:31:30,360
Speaker 3: you have someone who's hopeful of having a career, and

664
00:31:31,320 --> 00:31:34,640
Speaker 3: that I think is very challenging because you know, as

665
00:31:34,680 --> 00:31:38,560
Speaker 3: a as a manager, if it's going if it's not

666
00:31:38,640 --> 00:31:41,000
Speaker 3: going well, you're kind of a blame. And if it's

667
00:31:41,040 --> 00:31:43,720
Speaker 3: going well, why isn't it going better? Right, I'm not

668
00:31:44,120 --> 00:31:46,920
Speaker 3: I'm not saying that. I'm not I'm not. I'm not

669
00:31:47,000 --> 00:31:50,600
Speaker 3: justifying any of any of that extra stuff that because

670
00:31:51,240 --> 00:31:56,120
Speaker 3: because that's like criminal activity. Yeah, like but like so,

671
00:31:56,480 --> 00:31:58,880
Speaker 3: but what I'm saying is is that even so like

672
00:31:59,440 --> 00:32:02,440
Speaker 3: it feels like when I think when you you know,

673
00:32:03,600 --> 00:32:07,040
Speaker 3: we've both been quite lucky in our careers, and I

674
00:32:07,080 --> 00:32:11,080
Speaker 3: think that there's a deep sense of appreciation and gratitude

675
00:32:11,080 --> 00:32:12,840
Speaker 3: that even though you can go through because I did

676
00:32:12,840 --> 00:32:15,880
Speaker 3: go through some stuffy It wasn't directly from management, but

677
00:32:15,920 --> 00:32:18,120
Speaker 3: they would think there are things that have happened that

678
00:32:18,240 --> 00:32:22,280
Speaker 3: have been very difficult, but you the the appreciation and

679
00:32:22,360 --> 00:32:24,719
Speaker 3: the gratitude that you have for the success that's happened

680
00:32:24,800 --> 00:32:25,600
Speaker 3: is greater.

681
00:32:25,400 --> 00:32:26,400
Speaker 1: Than of course.

682
00:32:26,560 --> 00:32:28,200
Speaker 3: And I think that if that and I think if

683
00:32:28,360 --> 00:32:30,480
Speaker 3: and I think if the if you're if you're fortunate

684
00:32:30,600 --> 00:32:35,400
Speaker 3: enough that like the balances out that way you can

685
00:32:35,480 --> 00:32:35,760
Speaker 3: say that.

686
00:32:36,440 --> 00:32:38,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, and it's all about how you pivot. Yes, I

687
00:32:38,360 --> 00:32:39,600
Speaker 1: mean that's the challenge right there.

688
00:32:39,600 --> 00:32:41,800
Speaker 3: And experiences that you had with it, right, so think

689
00:32:41,840 --> 00:32:43,880
Speaker 3: about like the things that you learned from it, like

690
00:32:43,960 --> 00:32:47,400
Speaker 3: think about you know what, what you now know from

691
00:32:47,440 --> 00:32:50,480
Speaker 3: those experiences is probably invaluable stuff. You know.

692
00:32:50,560 --> 00:32:53,160
Speaker 1: Oh gosh, And I'm glad I did it. I'm glad

693
00:32:53,160 --> 00:32:55,200
Speaker 1: I went through that. It's such a such a young age,

694
00:32:56,200 --> 00:32:58,720
Speaker 1: you know, I got through all the worst parts of

695
00:32:58,760 --> 00:33:01,280
Speaker 1: my career, you know, than negative parts by the time

696
00:33:01,320 --> 00:33:03,920
Speaker 1: I was twenty four years old. Yes, so you know,

697
00:33:04,080 --> 00:33:04,840
Speaker 1: I I.

698
00:33:04,800 --> 00:33:06,000
Speaker 3: Just it's a real privilege.

699
00:33:06,120 --> 00:33:09,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean it really it's a blessing for sure.

700
00:33:09,520 --> 00:33:11,000
Speaker 3: Better than going through it when you're fifty.

701
00:33:11,160 --> 00:33:13,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, and I'll just get screwed and I have no

702
00:33:13,520 --> 00:33:20,680
Speaker 1: time left exactly. Okay, so the group is together, you

703
00:33:20,720 --> 00:33:23,160
Speaker 1: come out with the first song that you wrote for

704
00:33:23,200 --> 00:33:26,160
Speaker 1: the group, which was a you know, smash hit. What's

705
00:33:26,200 --> 00:33:28,280
Speaker 1: interesting to me is and it's funny because the year

706
00:33:28,280 --> 00:33:29,960
Speaker 1: three thousand, the song you wrote, I think that was

707
00:33:30,000 --> 00:33:31,840
Speaker 1: your second release maybe.

708
00:33:31,760 --> 00:33:33,720
Speaker 3: Yeah, the second Yeah, it was a second one.

709
00:33:33,600 --> 00:33:36,200
Speaker 1: Because I know y'all did. Your first hit was number three,

710
00:33:36,280 --> 00:33:38,160
Speaker 1: then it went number two, and then you went number one.

711
00:33:38,200 --> 00:33:40,560
Speaker 1: So I went three to two one, which was we stopped.

712
00:33:40,560 --> 00:33:42,560
Speaker 1: We went to number two, got beat by the Teletubbies

713
00:33:42,560 --> 00:33:43,680
Speaker 1: and we never went back to England.

714
00:33:44,400 --> 00:33:46,880
Speaker 2: I think that's what that was. That's what that.

715
00:33:48,120 --> 00:33:51,800
Speaker 1: Teletoby's premiere and the theme song went number one and

716
00:33:52,160 --> 00:33:53,520
Speaker 1: it was tearing in my heart. That was going to

717
00:33:53,560 --> 00:33:55,960
Speaker 1: be our big breakout in England. And then it just

718
00:33:55,960 --> 00:33:58,360
Speaker 1: went number two and then no one ever talked to

719
00:33:58,400 --> 00:34:02,120
Speaker 1: They're like, oh, tell a Tubby tellotovey tell never coming back.

720
00:34:02,360 --> 00:34:04,640
Speaker 3: Yeah, but you know, but it was a banger. But

721
00:34:04,920 --> 00:34:06,520
Speaker 3: you know, year three thousand wins to number two and

722
00:34:06,560 --> 00:34:08,399
Speaker 3: it's bigger than all the number ones we had.

723
00:34:08,520 --> 00:34:10,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm like, bye bye, Bye, it wasn't number one,

724
00:34:10,800 --> 00:34:12,520
Speaker 1: it wasn't our number one, but it's a class the

725
00:34:12,600 --> 00:34:14,000
Speaker 1: one people know.

726
00:34:14,200 --> 00:34:14,399
Speaker 3: Yeah.

727
00:34:14,400 --> 00:34:16,759
Speaker 1: But it's funny because when he was like listening to

728
00:34:17,120 --> 00:34:19,000
Speaker 1: the group, he was like, yeah, it reminds me of

729
00:34:19,320 --> 00:34:21,600
Speaker 1: Joe Broke, like Jonas brothers, like the American you know,

730
00:34:21,640 --> 00:34:24,839
Speaker 1: the British versions other brothers, and they're the ones they

731
00:34:24,920 --> 00:34:28,120
Speaker 1: first started getting attention because of the song year three thousands.

732
00:34:28,160 --> 00:34:29,680
Speaker 3: Yeah, that year old over the beginning.

733
00:34:29,760 --> 00:34:32,719
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, and most people in America obviously don't know

734
00:34:32,800 --> 00:34:34,240
Speaker 1: that it was an original song.

735
00:34:34,200 --> 00:34:38,600
Speaker 3: But no, and and it's you know, it's such an

736
00:34:38,640 --> 00:34:42,040
Speaker 3: interesting story because you know, my band broke up, and

737
00:34:43,080 --> 00:34:45,880
Speaker 3: you know, the industry, I think there were people that

738
00:34:45,920 --> 00:34:47,719
Speaker 3: you know, there were people in the record industry that

739
00:34:47,760 --> 00:34:51,480
Speaker 3: are Transatlantic people. And there was one of those guys,

740
00:34:51,560 --> 00:34:53,799
Speaker 3: guy called Dave Massy And wait, I.

741
00:34:53,760 --> 00:34:55,719
Speaker 1: Know Dave Massey. How do I know Dave Massy.

742
00:34:55,800 --> 00:34:57,760
Speaker 3: Well, he's been he's been around.

743
00:34:57,880 --> 00:34:58,160
Speaker 5: Yeah.

744
00:34:58,280 --> 00:35:01,200
Speaker 3: Yeah. He he called me in like two thousand and

745
00:35:01,239 --> 00:35:04,080
Speaker 3: six and he you know, he was like, Hey, it's Dave,

746
00:35:05,080 --> 00:35:06,840
Speaker 3: and he was like, you know, I've been I've been

747
00:35:06,880 --> 00:35:09,759
Speaker 3: writing songs that Nick Jonas have been recording as you know,

748
00:35:10,080 --> 00:35:12,880
Speaker 3: very young. He was still when I went to Stockholm

749
00:35:12,920 --> 00:35:14,640
Speaker 3: for the first time. He was the one recording the

750
00:35:14,680 --> 00:35:17,160
Speaker 3: songs that I was writing when I was there with

751
00:35:17,239 --> 00:35:19,280
Speaker 3: those those genius dudes.

752
00:35:19,880 --> 00:35:23,040
Speaker 1: And when did you meet that share on studio group?

753
00:35:23,120 --> 00:35:25,200
Speaker 1: Because we were there when Dennis Pop was still alive.

754
00:35:25,239 --> 00:35:27,319
Speaker 3: That's how I know you were you were you You

755
00:35:27,360 --> 00:35:29,680
Speaker 3: were there at the time when everyone wanted to be there.

756
00:35:29,800 --> 00:35:34,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, it was the Robin the Ace of bass, like

757
00:35:34,040 --> 00:35:35,760
Speaker 1: it was the moment for Sweden.

758
00:35:35,960 --> 00:35:38,560
Speaker 3: Yeah, you I really want to I would love to talk.

759
00:35:38,600 --> 00:35:40,040
Speaker 3: I mean, I would talk to you about that for

760
00:35:40,280 --> 00:35:43,000
Speaker 3: you know, I would really go down the rabbit hole

761
00:35:43,000 --> 00:35:46,520
Speaker 3: with you. But I think the thing about that whole building,

762
00:35:46,600 --> 00:35:49,440
Speaker 3: by the way that building is fascinating, the way that

763
00:35:49,640 --> 00:35:51,239
Speaker 3: you know, the way the live room is shared by

764
00:35:51,280 --> 00:35:55,920
Speaker 3: the different control rooms, and you know, but I was

765
00:35:56,160 --> 00:35:59,240
Speaker 3: I always wanted to go there and work with those people.

766
00:35:59,840 --> 00:36:03,400
Speaker 3: And eventually, when I kind of got my own thing happening,

767
00:36:03,480 --> 00:36:06,759
Speaker 3: I was invited to go there. But Nick Jonas was

768
00:36:06,800 --> 00:36:09,080
Speaker 3: recording the songs I was writing when I was there,

769
00:36:10,160 --> 00:36:14,439
Speaker 3: and it was like Dave Massey called me and said,

770
00:36:14,440 --> 00:36:17,239
Speaker 3: it's not going to happen for Nick's solo career, and

771
00:36:17,440 --> 00:36:20,680
Speaker 3: Nick's like probably still really young at this point. He

772
00:36:20,760 --> 00:36:23,239
Speaker 3: was like, but he's got two brothers, and we like,

773
00:36:23,440 --> 00:36:26,319
Speaker 3: you know, doing like something like busted, and maybe we

774
00:36:26,360 --> 00:36:28,880
Speaker 3: can record Year three thousand if that's okay. And I

775
00:36:28,920 --> 00:36:30,239
Speaker 3: was like, yeah, but I don't think you need my

776
00:36:30,280 --> 00:36:31,960
Speaker 3: permission for that, and then you just cover the song.

777
00:36:32,360 --> 00:36:33,680
Speaker 3: He was like, there's a couple of words that we

778
00:36:33,719 --> 00:36:36,200
Speaker 3: don't want to say on radio Disney. And I was like, oh,

779
00:36:36,480 --> 00:36:38,200
Speaker 3: like what and he was like, well, we don't want

780
00:36:38,200 --> 00:36:39,400
Speaker 3: to say this, and we don't want to say that,

781
00:36:39,440 --> 00:36:43,279
Speaker 3: and I can't say sex. Yeah, exactly, and they.

782
00:36:43,239 --> 00:36:44,799
Speaker 1: Were wearing their purity rings at that point.

783
00:36:44,840 --> 00:36:46,640
Speaker 3: Well exactly. It was there were some lyrics that I

784
00:36:46,719 --> 00:36:49,399
Speaker 3: understood that couldn't be in it, and I was like, look,

785
00:36:49,400 --> 00:36:51,239
Speaker 3: I really don't want to stand in your way, and

786
00:36:51,280 --> 00:36:53,560
Speaker 3: I also don't want to rewrite the song because the

787
00:36:53,560 --> 00:36:56,040
Speaker 3: song's a song. There's a couple of words you want

788
00:36:56,040 --> 00:36:58,040
Speaker 3: to switch out and switch them out, but I don't.

789
00:36:58,280 --> 00:37:00,680
Speaker 3: But like, I'm sure that you know, you're probably better

790
00:37:00,680 --> 00:37:02,759
Speaker 3: at knowing what they are than it than you know,

791
00:37:03,120 --> 00:37:04,960
Speaker 3: and so I think, you know, they just figured it

792
00:37:04,960 --> 00:37:07,399
Speaker 3: out and then I honestly didn't think that I would

793
00:37:07,440 --> 00:37:09,880
Speaker 3: ever hear about it again. I thought that was the

794
00:37:10,400 --> 00:37:12,760
Speaker 3: last that I would hear of it. You don't think

795
00:37:14,120 --> 00:37:16,160
Speaker 3: you can't predict that, no, of course, you know. So

796
00:37:16,400 --> 00:37:18,920
Speaker 3: it was like when I came out here. I remember

797
00:37:18,960 --> 00:37:20,600
Speaker 3: I was a friend's house and there was a Miley

798
00:37:20,680 --> 00:37:23,880
Speaker 3: Cyrus concert and the television was on and I was

799
00:37:23,880 --> 00:37:25,960
Speaker 3: in the house and I heard a song that I

800
00:37:25,960 --> 00:37:31,160
Speaker 3: thought was familiar and realized after about forty seconds in

801
00:37:31,920 --> 00:37:35,040
Speaker 3: that it was actually your song. Yeah, And the guys

802
00:37:35,080 --> 00:37:37,799
Speaker 3: on stage singing with the Jonas brothers and the kids

803
00:37:37,800 --> 00:37:41,200
Speaker 3: in the house were like, this is huge. I was like,

804
00:37:42,000 --> 00:37:45,080
Speaker 3: really that was that?

805
00:37:45,239 --> 00:37:47,919
Speaker 1: Yeah, that must be some nice residuals coming in from

806
00:37:47,920 --> 00:37:50,839
Speaker 1: that song. I mean, two big groups doing that.

807
00:37:50,880 --> 00:37:54,200
Speaker 3: Song when the band breaks up. It's nice to have

808
00:37:54,200 --> 00:37:55,120
Speaker 3: stuff like that happening.

809
00:37:55,280 --> 00:37:56,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

810
00:37:58,080 --> 00:38:02,000
Speaker 3: But and it's also kind of know it's it's nice

811
00:38:02,040 --> 00:38:07,799
Speaker 3: because it's just it's sort of like a it's a

812
00:38:07,840 --> 00:38:12,120
Speaker 3: sign that you can kind of continue on really and

813
00:38:12,239 --> 00:38:15,480
Speaker 3: try and do other things. There's more than there's more

814
00:38:15,520 --> 00:38:18,520
Speaker 3: to life than just doing one thing. You can have

815
00:38:18,560 --> 00:38:19,840
Speaker 3: success with other things.

816
00:38:21,000 --> 00:38:24,319
Speaker 1: Yeah. One fun thing, y'all did was you know band Aid?

817
00:38:25,200 --> 00:38:25,399
Speaker 3: Yeah?

818
00:38:25,440 --> 00:38:28,759
Speaker 1: Which funny, Yeah, you know so, But I mean, I'm

819
00:38:28,760 --> 00:38:30,840
Speaker 1: pretty sure most people know Google if you don't know

820
00:38:30,840 --> 00:38:33,600
Speaker 1: what band Aid is? So y'all did do they know?

821
00:38:33,640 --> 00:38:38,680
Speaker 1: It's Christmas? The remake with incredible artists? You had Paul McCartney,

822
00:38:38,800 --> 00:38:44,000
Speaker 1: Chris Martin, Bono, you guys, what was it like? Did

823
00:38:44,080 --> 00:38:46,480
Speaker 1: you did you get to meet any of these artists?

824
00:38:46,520 --> 00:38:48,319
Speaker 1: Did y'all get to perform it? And you get to

825
00:38:48,360 --> 00:38:51,120
Speaker 1: geek out that that's Paul McCartney standing right next to you.

826
00:38:51,120 --> 00:38:55,399
Speaker 3: You know, if you watch the video, Paul McCartney isn't

827
00:38:55,520 --> 00:38:59,080
Speaker 3: there's a huge crowd of people. Everyone in that crowd

828
00:38:59,120 --> 00:39:01,200
Speaker 3: of people with people that were there other day that

829
00:39:01,239 --> 00:39:08,000
Speaker 3: we were there with with. The funny thing that happened

830
00:39:08,239 --> 00:39:10,680
Speaker 3: was it was one of those weird things where it's

831
00:39:10,719 --> 00:39:13,800
Speaker 3: like it's big news, you know, it's it's national news.

832
00:39:15,480 --> 00:39:18,000
Speaker 3: And I remember we were going in to record that, Dad.

833
00:39:18,040 --> 00:39:19,840
Speaker 3: I remember as we were walking in, it was like

834
00:39:19,840 --> 00:39:22,520
Speaker 3: a delay by like five minutes on the news, and

835
00:39:22,520 --> 00:39:24,080
Speaker 3: we went in, the news was on and we saw

836
00:39:24,120 --> 00:39:26,319
Speaker 3: ourselves on the news five minutes later. Oh that was

837
00:39:26,360 --> 00:39:28,760
Speaker 3: just five minutes ago. And stuff like that and then

838
00:39:29,160 --> 00:39:32,239
Speaker 3: you know, we went in and I was pretty like,

839
00:39:33,320 --> 00:39:36,319
Speaker 3: I was so like there were so many times back

840
00:39:36,360 --> 00:39:38,080
Speaker 3: then where I was kind of like just like caught

841
00:39:38,160 --> 00:39:39,879
Speaker 3: up in what was happening or I have missed really

842
00:39:39,920 --> 00:39:43,239
Speaker 3: key things. And this guy comes over and was like,

843
00:39:43,239 --> 00:39:47,919
Speaker 3: thanks for being here. And I said to my band mate,

844
00:39:47,960 --> 00:39:50,920
Speaker 3: I said, who was that? And he goes it was

845
00:39:50,920 --> 00:39:51,560
Speaker 3: Bob Geldof.

846
00:39:51,880 --> 00:39:52,719
Speaker 1: Oh yeah.

847
00:39:53,120 --> 00:39:57,040
Speaker 3: I was like, I was like, oh, it sounds like me. Yeah,

848
00:39:57,840 --> 00:40:01,200
Speaker 3: And but he was wearing the iconic T shirt that

849
00:40:01,239 --> 00:40:04,239
Speaker 3: he wore in the original band, and you know, he

850
00:40:04,280 --> 00:40:06,440
Speaker 3: did a he did like a speech about, you know,

851
00:40:07,080 --> 00:40:09,440
Speaker 3: remember the reason why we're here. And you know, I

852
00:40:09,440 --> 00:40:11,680
Speaker 3: think when you're in when you're when you're in a

853
00:40:11,680 --> 00:40:13,120
Speaker 3: band and you get invited to be a part of

854
00:40:13,160 --> 00:40:15,560
Speaker 3: something like that, you can get caught up a little

855
00:40:15,600 --> 00:40:19,640
Speaker 3: bit in oh, who's here? This is a fun experience.

856
00:40:19,800 --> 00:40:21,839
Speaker 3: But then it's like what he did is he kind

857
00:40:21,880 --> 00:40:25,719
Speaker 3: of he took that away and was like, this is

858
00:40:25,719 --> 00:40:28,480
Speaker 3: why we're here, you know, and he and it was about,

859
00:40:28,520 --> 00:40:30,240
Speaker 3: you know, people are starving in Africa.

860
00:40:30,600 --> 00:40:32,880
Speaker 1: But I'm sure a lot of money was raised for this.

861
00:40:33,080 --> 00:40:35,000
Speaker 1: Do you know how much? Ultimately it was?

862
00:40:35,160 --> 00:40:38,200
Speaker 3: I don't know, but I know that. I know that

863
00:40:38,200 --> 00:40:40,279
Speaker 3: there's a reason they try to do it every now

864
00:40:40,280 --> 00:40:45,439
Speaker 3: and then because you know, like but but yeah, I mean, yeah,

865
00:40:45,440 --> 00:40:47,920
Speaker 3: it was. It was a it's so crazy. Yes, it's

866
00:40:47,920 --> 00:40:48,920
Speaker 3: interesting you know about that.

867
00:40:50,320 --> 00:40:52,680
Speaker 1: I love that little because I've always wanted I was

868
00:40:52,719 --> 00:40:55,040
Speaker 1: a part of something like that. Michael Jackson put something

869
00:40:55,040 --> 00:41:00,200
Speaker 1: together for September eleventh. I'm so confused if it ever

870
00:41:00,280 --> 00:41:03,600
Speaker 1: came out, because I feel like that song never really released,

871
00:41:03,600 --> 00:41:04,560
Speaker 1: but I remember recorded.

872
00:41:05,680 --> 00:41:06,920
Speaker 2: I don't know nothing exactly.

873
00:41:07,000 --> 00:41:09,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, we did a whole band aid type.

874
00:41:11,160 --> 00:41:14,320
Speaker 3: Was this for horror? No? Not? This was for September eleven.

875
00:41:14,440 --> 00:41:16,680
Speaker 3: I believe he did a Hurricane Katrina thing, didn't he?

876
00:41:17,239 --> 00:41:19,680
Speaker 1: Oh maybe he did that too. I forget, Well he

877
00:41:19,719 --> 00:41:23,360
Speaker 1: did so much, didn't Yeah, and the Black Eyed Peas

878
00:41:23,440 --> 00:41:24,120
Speaker 1: did one.

879
00:41:24,200 --> 00:41:26,440
Speaker 3: Because there was that night when you you performed with

880
00:41:26,440 --> 00:41:27,000
Speaker 3: the Jackson's.

881
00:41:27,360 --> 00:41:28,839
Speaker 1: Yes, that was in New York.

882
00:41:28,840 --> 00:41:32,399
Speaker 3: That was before right before nine eleven, two days before. Yeah,

883
00:41:32,480 --> 00:41:35,720
Speaker 3: And you know I remember it well because I watched

884
00:41:35,760 --> 00:41:41,520
Speaker 3: that and so yeah, because David Guest did that, didn't he?

885
00:41:41,880 --> 00:41:44,000
Speaker 1: Probably? Yeah, I mean it, everyone did that show.

886
00:41:44,120 --> 00:41:46,920
Speaker 3: I produced it. Did he produce the show for TV?

887
00:41:47,239 --> 00:41:49,759
Speaker 1: Oh yeah maybe, yeah, yeah, I think he did.

888
00:41:49,960 --> 00:41:50,160
Speaker 2: He did.

889
00:41:50,280 --> 00:41:53,760
Speaker 3: Yeah, and and and it was crazy because a friend

890
00:41:53,760 --> 00:41:57,160
Speaker 3: of mine, you know, so Matt from my band, was

891
00:41:57,200 --> 00:41:59,000
Speaker 3: in a reality TV show with him.

892
00:41:59,360 --> 00:42:04,800
Speaker 1: Which one was it? It was in the jungle, Yeah.

893
00:42:04,080 --> 00:42:07,000
Speaker 3: And you know, they became quite good friends in there,

894
00:42:07,040 --> 00:42:09,879
Speaker 3: and when they came out, I would I would hang

895
00:42:09,920 --> 00:42:14,200
Speaker 3: out with you know, them all the time, like in

896
00:42:14,239 --> 00:42:16,239
Speaker 3: the month afterwards. Everyone, you know, when you've kind of

897
00:42:16,440 --> 00:42:18,319
Speaker 3: been in a jungle together, everyone wants to hang out

898
00:42:18,320 --> 00:42:21,040
Speaker 3: all the time. Yeah. And so I met David through

899
00:42:21,320 --> 00:42:26,480
Speaker 3: my friend in my band, and it was through him.

900
00:42:26,560 --> 00:42:31,880
Speaker 3: I actually ended up producing a song for Tito Jackson's.

901
00:42:31,480 --> 00:42:34,560
Speaker 1: Kids, the Three T Yeah.

902
00:42:35,280 --> 00:42:40,600
Speaker 3: Yeah, who who Actually, I really I really liked those guys.

903
00:42:41,239 --> 00:42:43,480
Speaker 1: I remember Three T because they started the same time

904
00:42:43,520 --> 00:42:45,919
Speaker 1: we did in Europe, so we would always run into

905
00:42:45,920 --> 00:42:48,440
Speaker 1: them in Germany. Yeah, And I thought it was so calm, like,

906
00:42:48,440 --> 00:42:50,840
Speaker 1: oh my gosh, we know, like some Jackson's.

907
00:42:50,880 --> 00:42:54,160
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, it's pretty it's kind of it's kind of amazing.

908
00:42:54,200 --> 00:42:57,120
Speaker 3: But what was it like because you because when you

909
00:42:57,160 --> 00:42:59,080
Speaker 3: when you did the show with them, because you you

910
00:42:59,200 --> 00:42:59,640
Speaker 3: danced with.

911
00:42:59,760 --> 00:43:02,520
Speaker 1: Was it machine, yeah, dance Machine. Yeah, it was the

912
00:43:02,600 --> 00:43:06,520
Speaker 1: last performance of the Jackson five, which was like insane.

913
00:43:06,760 --> 00:43:08,440
Speaker 1: So we go there and we had done some stuff

914
00:43:08,440 --> 00:43:10,600
Speaker 1: with Michael at that point, we had become good friends,

915
00:43:10,680 --> 00:43:12,960
Speaker 1: and we had just he had just performed with us

916
00:43:12,960 --> 00:43:17,319
Speaker 1: at the VMA's uh, and we had released pop and

917
00:43:18,239 --> 00:43:19,080
Speaker 1: had no idea if he.

918
00:43:19,200 --> 00:43:21,040
Speaker 3: Oh my god, that performance is so good.

919
00:43:21,239 --> 00:43:22,640
Speaker 1: He comes at the end and starts dancing.

920
00:43:22,680 --> 00:43:24,080
Speaker 3: That's just sketch, right, that's just say.

921
00:43:24,239 --> 00:43:27,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, had no idea he would really show. Literally, I'm

922
00:43:27,160 --> 00:43:29,400
Speaker 1: on stage and just hoping that when that etch a

923
00:43:29,440 --> 00:43:31,480
Speaker 1: sketch came up, that he was gonna be so you didn't.

924
00:43:31,239 --> 00:43:31,680
Speaker 3: Know that he was.

925
00:43:32,280 --> 00:43:34,960
Speaker 1: We had he said he'd be there, but there was

926
00:43:35,000 --> 00:43:38,880
Speaker 1: no rehearsal and and we couldn't even tell MTV. MTV

927
00:43:39,000 --> 00:43:41,120
Speaker 1: had no idea this was going to happen. They thought

928
00:43:41,440 --> 00:43:44,480
Speaker 1: somehow they thought Janet was going to show up. But

929
00:43:44,520 --> 00:43:47,040
Speaker 1: then it happened and it was just a moment.

930
00:43:47,480 --> 00:43:47,600
Speaker 3: Uh.

931
00:43:47,719 --> 00:43:50,640
Speaker 1: And then we did his thirtieth anniversary you know special

932
00:43:51,040 --> 00:43:53,360
Speaker 1: two days later, and it had you know, Whitney, but

933
00:43:53,480 --> 00:43:57,200
Speaker 1: everyone hit that stage, and I mean Brittany and Usher

934
00:43:57,280 --> 00:44:00,360
Speaker 1: and I mean just everyone, and we had no idea, idea,

935
00:44:00,760 --> 00:44:01,960
Speaker 1: you know, I knew, we knew we were going to

936
00:44:02,000 --> 00:44:04,520
Speaker 1: do Jackson five fun, but I had no idea Michael

937
00:44:04,600 --> 00:44:07,000
Speaker 1: was actually going to do a concert and just do

938
00:44:07,080 --> 00:44:09,719
Speaker 1: a full on set. And it was the first time

939
00:44:09,719 --> 00:44:12,319
Speaker 1: i'd seen him. You didn't know that, No, not at all,

940
00:44:12,480 --> 00:44:14,160
Speaker 1: And so I sat in that I went into the audience,

941
00:44:14,280 --> 00:44:16,479
Speaker 1: might have to see this, and I had a tear

942
00:44:16,520 --> 00:44:18,439
Speaker 1: in my eye. I'm like, I get it. I get

943
00:44:18,480 --> 00:44:20,000
Speaker 1: why people cry. Now, what is this?

944
00:44:20,200 --> 00:44:21,439
Speaker 2: It's just a single tear.

945
00:44:21,600 --> 00:44:25,440
Speaker 3: It's just weird. The Michael Jackson thing. I mean, you

946
00:44:25,480 --> 00:44:29,759
Speaker 3: saw it. I mean when it was like a different thing,

947
00:44:30,320 --> 00:44:32,560
Speaker 3: wasn't it. Yeah, when you because because it was, it

948
00:44:32,560 --> 00:44:34,479
Speaker 3: didn't matter. It didn't matter who you were. It didn't

949
00:44:34,520 --> 00:44:37,120
Speaker 3: matter how successful you were, it didn't matter how many

950
00:44:37,160 --> 00:44:39,759
Speaker 3: records you sold or how what the hell was going on.

951
00:44:39,880 --> 00:44:43,840
Speaker 3: He was just sort of above everyone.

952
00:44:45,160 --> 00:44:46,200
Speaker 1: It didn't get bigger than.

953
00:44:46,080 --> 00:44:49,520
Speaker 3: That, and it didn't matter. Yeah, it was just.

954
00:44:49,760 --> 00:44:54,280
Speaker 1: His influence on everyone. That's what's so spectacular. Any artist

955
00:44:54,360 --> 00:44:57,360
Speaker 1: you talked to, whatever genre, they always bring up Michael.

956
00:44:57,760 --> 00:45:02,040
Speaker 3: It's crazy. It's crazy, and I can't I remember, you know,

957
00:45:02,360 --> 00:45:04,560
Speaker 3: And it was it was actually crazy because for me

958
00:45:04,600 --> 00:45:06,400
Speaker 3: that's where it all started. Was like being a Michael

959
00:45:06,440 --> 00:45:12,279
Speaker 3: Jackson fan, and I remember seeing I waited up because

960
00:45:12,320 --> 00:45:14,760
Speaker 3: you know, in England, the time difference is a bit different,

961
00:45:16,080 --> 00:45:18,440
Speaker 3: so I knew that there was something going on. It's

962
00:45:18,440 --> 00:45:22,120
Speaker 3: the VMA's right, the extra sketch thing. So when that happened,

963
00:45:23,000 --> 00:45:25,880
Speaker 3: it aired in England. When it happened, it was like

964
00:45:26,000 --> 00:45:27,040
Speaker 3: two am or something.

965
00:45:27,120 --> 00:45:28,800
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah, I was probably live it too.

966
00:45:28,920 --> 00:45:30,719
Speaker 3: Yeah, And I remember like waiting up for it and

967
00:45:30,719 --> 00:45:34,040
Speaker 3: falling asleep and like waking up, and then when it happened,

968
00:45:34,080 --> 00:45:36,720
Speaker 3: I remember, you know, you guys on stage. I remember

969
00:45:36,719 --> 00:45:40,320
Speaker 3: watching thinking there's something about this performance that's a little extra,

970
00:45:40,760 --> 00:45:45,719
Speaker 3: because there was a lot of set in it. It was, yeah,

971
00:45:45,760 --> 00:45:47,600
Speaker 3: and I was like, I was like, there's something going

972
00:45:47,640 --> 00:45:50,080
Speaker 3: on here. And I was literally like keep my eyes

973
00:45:50,120 --> 00:45:53,960
Speaker 3: open so they want to miss it. And I remember

974
00:45:54,000 --> 00:45:57,880
Speaker 3: that like that whole thing was just so crazy.

975
00:45:58,000 --> 00:46:01,239
Speaker 1: That's what I couldn't stop just watching the audience because

976
00:46:01,239 --> 00:46:02,680
Speaker 1: I mean, it was great that Michael was right next

977
00:46:02,719 --> 00:46:05,040
Speaker 1: to us, but I just watching everyone's kind of jaw

978
00:46:05,440 --> 00:46:08,319
Speaker 1: to the floor because no one expected that this has

979
00:46:08,360 --> 00:46:11,400
Speaker 1: been a while since we had seen Michael almost to anyone, Yeah,

980
00:46:11,480 --> 00:46:12,840
Speaker 1: he's been you know, he was kind of on a

981
00:46:12,840 --> 00:46:15,319
Speaker 1: little hiatus for a while. Man, and you know, to

982
00:46:15,320 --> 00:46:18,400
Speaker 1: see jay Z and Beyonce and everyone's like, oh my gosh,

983
00:46:18,520 --> 00:46:20,200
Speaker 1: I need to go back, Like, yeah, I know this guy.

984
00:46:20,280 --> 00:46:21,680
Speaker 2: I know, this guy is my friend.

985
00:46:22,360 --> 00:46:24,040
Speaker 3: But when you when you when but on the on

986
00:46:24,080 --> 00:46:25,920
Speaker 3: the Madison Square Garden thing, when you were all there,

987
00:46:26,000 --> 00:46:30,480
Speaker 3: right and you were dancing, did you like look to

988
00:46:30,480 --> 00:46:30,879
Speaker 3: your left?

989
00:46:30,960 --> 00:46:33,080
Speaker 1: Yes, right the whole time. If you watch my performance,

990
00:46:33,160 --> 00:46:36,160
Speaker 1: I'm not even looking anywhere except to my left or right.

991
00:46:36,440 --> 00:46:41,040
Speaker 1: I'm like, what what is my life right now? I'm

992
00:46:41,040 --> 00:46:44,840
Speaker 1: here with the Jackson freaking five. Oh it was amazing.

993
00:46:44,880 --> 00:46:46,279
Speaker 1: But be able to say that we were the last

994
00:46:46,360 --> 00:46:49,080
Speaker 1: performing the Jackson five is just such a that's just

995
00:46:49,120 --> 00:46:49,800
Speaker 1: such a moment.

996
00:46:49,920 --> 00:46:50,360
Speaker 2: Just hold on.

997
00:46:50,640 --> 00:46:53,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm going to put that on my resume.

998
00:46:54,160 --> 00:46:56,920
Speaker 3: And and yeah, your life must have changed after that.

999
00:46:57,040 --> 00:46:58,719
Speaker 1: I mean it was crazy. I mean yeah, I mean

1000
00:46:58,719 --> 00:47:02,239
Speaker 1: it's uh, it was. It was interesting because that was

1001
00:47:02,280 --> 00:47:06,000
Speaker 1: definitely probably the all time high for in sync, that

1002
00:47:06,120 --> 00:47:10,080
Speaker 1: moment and that special and then nine to eleven happened

1003
00:47:10,120 --> 00:47:13,799
Speaker 1: and everything just pop and just disappeared. And I don't

1004
00:47:13,800 --> 00:47:16,400
Speaker 1: think anyone's ever recovered. I think that was the downfall

1005
00:47:16,440 --> 00:47:19,120
Speaker 1: of ZYNC. I think that was the start, yeah, because

1006
00:47:19,160 --> 00:47:22,400
Speaker 1: I mean I don't think anyone really recovered from that, Yeah,

1007
00:47:22,520 --> 00:47:26,200
Speaker 1: because no one was doing concerts, film was done. I

1008
00:47:26,200 --> 00:47:29,239
Speaker 1: mean just everyone was in such a depressed mood that

1009
00:47:29,320 --> 00:47:31,520
Speaker 1: no one was thinking about music or going to see

1010
00:47:31,520 --> 00:47:33,920
Speaker 1: a concert of a boy band. And I feel like

1011
00:47:33,960 --> 00:47:36,560
Speaker 1: that it just kind of music and fun music fizzled

1012
00:47:36,560 --> 00:47:37,600
Speaker 1: out after that for a bit.

1013
00:47:37,880 --> 00:47:39,680
Speaker 3: No, wait, that that wasn't the end.

1014
00:47:40,040 --> 00:47:40,400
Speaker 5: Was No.

1015
00:47:40,480 --> 00:47:43,360
Speaker 1: We had another album, Celebrity after that, which was great.

1016
00:47:43,560 --> 00:47:46,640
Speaker 1: It was great, but it was considered a flop. Come

1017
00:47:46,920 --> 00:47:51,440
Speaker 1: it sold six million albums and it was and it was.

1018
00:47:51,400 --> 00:47:53,800
Speaker 3: Considered such a such a such a disaster.

1019
00:47:54,200 --> 00:47:56,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, people were like, oh, that's the end of ensync.

1020
00:47:56,160 --> 00:47:58,280
Speaker 1: They didn't they didn't beat no strings attached? Like, who's

1021
00:47:58,280 --> 00:48:00,680
Speaker 1: going to beat no strings attached? Was just that was

1022
00:48:00,760 --> 00:48:02,640
Speaker 1: an insane time that will never happen again.

1023
00:48:02,680 --> 00:48:07,640
Speaker 3: Until two point four million albums and week once Yeah, yeah, six.

1024
00:48:07,480 --> 00:48:08,240
Speaker 2: And a half million.

1025
00:48:08,440 --> 00:48:10,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, and that was considered.

1026
00:48:10,120 --> 00:48:12,279
Speaker 3: Like, isn't that the fastest selling album of all time?

1027
00:48:12,719 --> 00:48:14,319
Speaker 1: Until A Dale beat it a few years ago?

1028
00:48:14,320 --> 00:48:17,279
Speaker 3: Oh really? Yeah, Well eventually that yeah, eventually, but that

1029
00:48:17,360 --> 00:48:17,960
Speaker 3: was a good run.

1030
00:48:18,000 --> 00:48:20,040
Speaker 2: It was a good fifte years run.

1031
00:48:20,280 --> 00:48:22,920
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, But I liked having that title because it

1032
00:48:22,960 --> 00:48:24,439
Speaker 1: was the only thing that I could hang my hat

1033
00:48:24,480 --> 00:48:26,759
Speaker 1: on for a while. And then the Dale just comes

1034
00:48:26,800 --> 00:48:29,160
Speaker 1: in sweeps it back, and I'm thinking, well, that will

1035
00:48:29,200 --> 00:48:32,720
Speaker 1: never be broken because no one camps out for albums anymore,

1036
00:48:32,760 --> 00:48:35,480
Speaker 1: and no one buys an album the singles market, and

1037
00:48:35,480 --> 00:48:37,839
Speaker 1: then the Dale comes in and just kills it.

1038
00:48:37,960 --> 00:48:39,960
Speaker 4: I just do it on four million the first she

1039
00:48:40,000 --> 00:48:44,640
Speaker 4: had three points something insane in the market that no

1040
00:48:44,680 --> 00:48:47,759
Speaker 4: one buys albums that, Yes, that is crazy.

1041
00:48:47,880 --> 00:48:49,640
Speaker 2: Not to get back together and does do a new album?

1042
00:48:49,719 --> 00:48:51,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, just to beat it if you want to get

1043
00:48:51,680 --> 00:48:55,040
Speaker 1: a celebrity album was brilliant. I loved that was great.

1044
00:48:55,200 --> 00:48:58,320
Speaker 1: Celebrity to me was great because we were finally coming

1045
00:48:58,440 --> 00:49:02,279
Speaker 1: in to our own as musicians. You know, the first

1046
00:49:02,280 --> 00:49:04,799
Speaker 1: two albums, you know, you're just so busy, You're you're

1047
00:49:04,840 --> 00:49:07,919
Speaker 1: just trying to make everything work. Finally we had time

1048
00:49:07,960 --> 00:49:10,400
Speaker 1: from No Strings Attack to Celebrity, we had some time,

1049
00:49:10,880 --> 00:49:12,400
Speaker 1: we had some off time, so we were in the

1050
00:49:12,440 --> 00:49:15,120
Speaker 1: studio writing and so most of that album was written

1051
00:49:15,160 --> 00:49:16,759
Speaker 1: by you know, one of the members of en sync

1052
00:49:17,840 --> 00:49:19,920
Speaker 1: and it just was more of our style. It was

1053
00:49:20,040 --> 00:49:21,680
Speaker 1: very it was evolving, for sure.

1054
00:49:22,120 --> 00:49:22,919
Speaker 3: I thought that too.

1055
00:49:23,080 --> 00:49:25,239
Speaker 1: Yeah, so it'd be interesting to see where that would

1056
00:49:25,239 --> 00:49:28,560
Speaker 1: have gone after that. But yeah, we were definitely growing up,

1057
00:49:28,719 --> 00:49:29,200
Speaker 1: I think, And.

1058
00:49:29,360 --> 00:49:33,960
Speaker 3: And do you think, because I think a lot of

1059
00:49:33,960 --> 00:49:35,600
Speaker 3: people want to know what it would be like if

1060
00:49:35,600 --> 00:49:36,200
Speaker 3: you did it now.

1061
00:49:36,360 --> 00:49:40,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, yes, everyone's wondering. Hey, we'll see never say never.

1062
00:49:55,440 --> 00:49:58,399
Speaker 1: What are you excited about right now? Out what you're

1063
00:49:58,440 --> 00:49:58,879
Speaker 1: working on?

1064
00:49:59,719 --> 00:50:01,719
Speaker 3: I'm excited about the band coming back.

1065
00:50:01,800 --> 00:50:04,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, we just well tell us about the twentinth anniversary.

1066
00:50:04,320 --> 00:50:06,319
Speaker 1: What's I know you're going on tour? Are we going

1067
00:50:06,400 --> 00:50:07,400
Speaker 1: to get new music with it?

1068
00:50:07,600 --> 00:50:09,560
Speaker 3: Yeah? We were listening a new song in a couple

1069
00:50:09,560 --> 00:50:09,920
Speaker 3: of weeks.

1070
00:50:09,960 --> 00:50:11,520
Speaker 1: Oh nice, what's it called.

1071
00:50:12,239 --> 00:50:15,640
Speaker 3: It's called called Good One, Good One, all right, and

1072
00:50:16,440 --> 00:50:19,839
Speaker 3: it kind of, you know, it's a bit different, it's

1073
00:50:19,840 --> 00:50:22,399
Speaker 3: a bit you know, it's a bit something new from

1074
00:50:22,480 --> 00:50:25,040
Speaker 3: what we've done before, but it still feels like a

1075
00:50:25,040 --> 00:50:28,800
Speaker 3: busted song. But yeah, I'm excited. I'm sort of excited

1076
00:50:28,800 --> 00:50:30,919
Speaker 3: to go back on tour because it's been like five

1077
00:50:31,000 --> 00:50:33,799
Speaker 3: years and the pandemic really stopped everything. Yeah, and so

1078
00:50:33,800 --> 00:50:35,720
Speaker 3: I'm excited about that what's.

1079
00:50:35,560 --> 00:50:38,719
Speaker 1: Your favorite part about Because what I love about this

1080
00:50:38,920 --> 00:50:41,920
Speaker 1: industry is you get to tour for a few months,

1081
00:50:42,160 --> 00:50:44,120
Speaker 1: then you get back in the studio for a few months,

1082
00:50:44,120 --> 00:50:45,280
Speaker 1: so it never gets boring.

1083
00:50:45,440 --> 00:50:45,600
Speaker 2: You know.

1084
00:50:45,840 --> 00:50:47,880
Speaker 1: By the time you're kind of like, ah, I kind

1085
00:50:47,920 --> 00:50:49,439
Speaker 1: of wish this tour would end. I'm getting a little

1086
00:50:49,480 --> 00:50:51,480
Speaker 1: I'm not sweating anymore. Then you get in the studio,

1087
00:50:51,560 --> 00:50:53,320
Speaker 1: and then by then the study you're like kind of

1088
00:50:53,320 --> 00:50:54,920
Speaker 1: tired of being in this box right now, I want

1089
00:50:54,920 --> 00:50:57,120
Speaker 1: to get back on the road. Yeah, so it kind

1090
00:50:57,120 --> 00:50:58,520
Speaker 1: of I don't know, it equals out.

1091
00:50:58,520 --> 00:51:03,040
Speaker 3: The seasons changing, Yeah, yeah, studio, being on stage.

1092
00:51:02,719 --> 00:51:05,200
Speaker 1: And obviously do you have a favorite I liked.

1093
00:51:05,280 --> 00:51:07,440
Speaker 3: I liked them, But I love to record. I like

1094
00:51:07,520 --> 00:51:11,040
Speaker 3: to I think like making music and releasing music is

1095
00:51:11,120 --> 00:51:13,879
Speaker 3: just as important. Sometimes I go through times I make

1096
00:51:13,880 --> 00:51:15,680
Speaker 3: a lot of music, I don't release any music, and

1097
00:51:16,160 --> 00:51:17,880
Speaker 3: it's like breathing in and not breathing out. You know,

1098
00:51:18,280 --> 00:51:20,520
Speaker 3: it's like kind of, oh, yeah, you want to release

1099
00:51:20,560 --> 00:51:23,200
Speaker 3: the stuff you're excited about, and then sometimes enough time

1100
00:51:23,280 --> 00:51:25,160
Speaker 3: goes by and you're grateful that you didn't.

1101
00:51:25,239 --> 00:51:28,239
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, oh yeah that was I say that.

1102
00:51:28,640 --> 00:51:30,720
Speaker 1: I say that all about all the time about and Sync.

1103
00:51:31,360 --> 00:51:33,879
Speaker 1: I'm so glad that no American label signed us back

1104
00:51:33,880 --> 00:51:36,440
Speaker 1: in ninety five ninety six, because we wouldn't have made

1105
00:51:36,480 --> 00:51:38,799
Speaker 1: it at all. Thank god we got to go to

1106
00:51:38,880 --> 00:51:42,520
Speaker 1: Germany fill it out. Yeah, train ourselves better, figure out

1107
00:51:42,560 --> 00:51:45,359
Speaker 1: what our sound was, and then come back to our

1108
00:51:45,400 --> 00:51:48,120
Speaker 1: country because they would have laughed us out of this

1109
00:51:48,200 --> 00:51:50,439
Speaker 1: country if we were released in ninety five, it would

1110
00:51:50,440 --> 00:51:51,200
Speaker 1: have just never worked.

1111
00:51:51,239 --> 00:51:53,880
Speaker 3: Do you think they like having that story? That foundation

1112
00:51:54,120 --> 00:51:57,080
Speaker 3: of overseas like with Germany was very key.

1113
00:51:56,960 --> 00:52:00,200
Speaker 1: To Yeah, definitely, it's It's what bonded us the most.

1114
00:52:00,680 --> 00:52:03,279
Speaker 1: It made us family. We really got to know what

1115
00:52:03,320 --> 00:52:07,000
Speaker 1: our sound was. You know, we worked with techno and

1116
00:52:07,160 --> 00:52:10,120
Speaker 1: things that we would just never touch today, right, but

1117
00:52:10,200 --> 00:52:12,400
Speaker 1: we just had to had to test it out and

1118
00:52:12,719 --> 00:52:15,360
Speaker 1: see what happens. And we really listened to our fans.

1119
00:52:16,040 --> 00:52:17,720
Speaker 1: So we would do with something and the fans would

1120
00:52:17,760 --> 00:52:20,040
Speaker 1: just go crazy on something we didn't think that they

1121
00:52:20,040 --> 00:52:22,680
Speaker 1: would even like. We would just kind of go with it, like, Okay,

1122
00:52:22,800 --> 00:52:25,160
Speaker 1: this is what the people want, Let's give it to them.

1123
00:52:25,320 --> 00:52:27,680
Speaker 1: Let's finish with this because we have some fan questions

1124
00:52:27,719 --> 00:52:30,560
Speaker 1: for you. So Lubortha wants to know what is your

1125
00:52:30,560 --> 00:52:33,680
Speaker 1: favorite mcbusted story that no one knows now for your

1126
00:52:33,680 --> 00:52:38,200
Speaker 1: Americans listening, mcbusted is a joint group, yes, form McFly

1127
00:52:38,640 --> 00:52:39,480
Speaker 1: and Busted. Yes.

1128
00:52:40,120 --> 00:52:42,759
Speaker 3: I think the thing about that's most I think the

1129
00:52:43,360 --> 00:52:46,520
Speaker 3: craziest thing about that whole thing, the way happened, was

1130
00:52:47,600 --> 00:52:52,680
Speaker 3: how easily it could not have happened, and what happened

1131
00:52:52,719 --> 00:52:57,160
Speaker 3: as a result of it happening is so crazy. It's

1132
00:52:57,200 --> 00:53:01,040
Speaker 3: like such a sliding doors money kismas. Yeah, because I had,

1133
00:53:01,080 --> 00:53:04,759
Speaker 3: like I had a relationship that was went back, you know,

1134
00:53:04,880 --> 00:53:07,799
Speaker 3: to the beginning of McFly. You know, I was a

1135
00:53:07,800 --> 00:53:12,880
Speaker 3: big part of that band, starting and working with Tom

1136
00:53:12,920 --> 00:53:17,560
Speaker 3: before he knew who his band were, And I think

1137
00:53:17,600 --> 00:53:21,120
Speaker 3: I was a big part of inspiring like what the

1138
00:53:21,160 --> 00:53:27,200
Speaker 3: band became and and a lot of people when they

1139
00:53:27,239 --> 00:53:29,839
Speaker 3: got signed and like you said, you know you make

1140
00:53:29,920 --> 00:53:33,000
Speaker 3: the en sync and backtreet reference in England, it was

1141
00:53:33,040 --> 00:53:37,440
Speaker 3: a little bit like bustin McFly had a little bit. Yeah,

1142
00:53:37,480 --> 00:53:39,040
Speaker 3: it was a little bit of that going on. And

1143
00:53:40,400 --> 00:53:43,359
Speaker 3: I think that a lot of people in interviews would

1144
00:53:43,400 --> 00:53:46,719
Speaker 3: say to me, do you think that you're sort of

1145
00:53:47,280 --> 00:53:49,960
Speaker 3: doing the right things doing putting you know, so much

1146
00:53:50,040 --> 00:53:52,319
Speaker 3: work into this other thing. You know, you're in this

1147
00:53:52,400 --> 00:53:55,560
Speaker 3: thing and now this band becoming big now. And I

1148
00:53:55,600 --> 00:53:57,880
Speaker 3: never really thought of it that way. I just loved

1149
00:53:58,160 --> 00:54:00,839
Speaker 3: writing songs and I loved I didn't think that I

1150
00:54:00,920 --> 00:54:04,360
Speaker 3: was phasing myself out. I thought I was, you know,

1151
00:54:04,400 --> 00:54:06,760
Speaker 3: I thought I was just doing more stuff. But eventually,

1152
00:54:06,800 --> 00:54:10,319
Speaker 3: when my band broke up quite recently after that, I

1153
00:54:10,360 --> 00:54:14,800
Speaker 3: did wonder because you know, the management who managed both bands.

1154
00:54:15,080 --> 00:54:17,280
Speaker 3: I wondered if they would worked hard to keep busted

1155
00:54:17,280 --> 00:54:21,440
Speaker 3: together if there wasn't another option. And and but you know,

1156
00:54:21,560 --> 00:54:23,680
Speaker 3: very quickly, when my band broke up, I wasn't just

1157
00:54:23,719 --> 00:54:25,680
Speaker 3: not in my band. I wasn't really in the equation

1158
00:54:25,800 --> 00:54:28,080
Speaker 3: at all anymore. So it was so like two bands

1159
00:54:28,239 --> 00:54:29,839
Speaker 3: that I was sort of very much a big part

1160
00:54:29,880 --> 00:54:33,040
Speaker 3: of my life that wasn't around. And then ten years

1161
00:54:33,120 --> 00:54:35,759
Speaker 3: later when I visited them, I'd been living in the

1162
00:54:35,800 --> 00:54:37,759
Speaker 3: States for all these years and I came back and

1163
00:54:37,840 --> 00:54:41,560
Speaker 3: to see them play that performance, it was like one

1164
00:54:41,560 --> 00:54:44,839
Speaker 3: of the guys, you know, in the band. It was

1165
00:54:44,840 --> 00:54:46,680
Speaker 3: like a joke almost to go out on stage and

1166
00:54:46,719 --> 00:54:51,040
Speaker 3: play some songs. And I think people that could have

1167
00:54:51,120 --> 00:54:52,160
Speaker 3: quite easily not happened.

1168
00:54:52,880 --> 00:54:55,160
Speaker 1: And it's where you say, because you had the same management.

1169
00:54:55,160 --> 00:54:57,680
Speaker 1: I always wonder that too, because our management also did

1170
00:54:57,800 --> 00:55:00,359
Speaker 1: dustin solo project, and I'm wondering what if we had

1171
00:55:00,400 --> 00:55:05,920
Speaker 1: separate management with the band as still continued somehow, you know,

1172
00:55:06,080 --> 00:55:07,759
Speaker 1: would they have figured it out, like, Okay, we're going

1173
00:55:07,840 --> 00:55:09,600
Speaker 1: to figure this out where y'all can still make music

1174
00:55:09,640 --> 00:55:11,880
Speaker 1: within sync and still have this solo Yeah.

1175
00:55:11,760 --> 00:55:15,800
Speaker 3: Because it's interesting. It's interesting because I think, like now,

1176
00:55:15,960 --> 00:55:20,040
Speaker 3: when when people are incentivized, there are people who matter

1177
00:55:20,120 --> 00:55:22,719
Speaker 3: in the equation. Your manager is a big part of that,

1178
00:55:23,400 --> 00:55:27,399
Speaker 3: and there has to be a common goal, right, and

1179
00:55:27,760 --> 00:55:31,560
Speaker 3: that's what that is. It's like, yeah, I think all

1180
00:55:31,600 --> 00:55:35,400
Speaker 3: of a sudden that night, even though Busted was effectively

1181
00:55:35,719 --> 00:55:38,560
Speaker 3: a broken band, when I did it by myself in

1182
00:55:38,600 --> 00:55:41,520
Speaker 3: front of their audience, it worked. It was like it

1183
00:55:41,600 --> 00:55:44,480
Speaker 3: was a live you know, so it's a live and

1184
00:55:44,520 --> 00:55:47,200
Speaker 3: then we're going to fill in the missing pieces with

1185
00:55:47,239 --> 00:55:49,640
Speaker 3: the whole band, which is going to make it more exciting.

1186
00:55:50,280 --> 00:55:54,520
Speaker 3: And that's that. And it kind of led back to

1187
00:55:54,760 --> 00:55:57,520
Speaker 3: Busted and it was sort of like a stargate back.

1188
00:55:57,920 --> 00:56:00,239
Speaker 3: This thing that kind of started ten years ago though,

1189
00:56:01,000 --> 00:56:02,640
Speaker 3: was a stargate back to the future.

1190
00:56:02,960 --> 00:56:05,160
Speaker 1: That's great. Yeah, back to the future, always compact fact

1191
00:56:07,760 --> 00:56:10,719
Speaker 1: all on the same note. Fan for Life one four

1192
00:56:10,760 --> 00:56:13,759
Speaker 1: three wants to know did Macbusted start because of the

1193
00:56:13,880 --> 00:56:17,720
Speaker 1: n KOT BSB the New Kids on a Lot BSB collab?

1194
00:56:18,120 --> 00:56:21,520
Speaker 3: Do you know what we spoke about that? Actually, because

1195
00:56:22,960 --> 00:56:25,359
Speaker 3: because we we we did wrap we when we were

1196
00:56:25,360 --> 00:56:29,080
Speaker 3: talking about it, it was like definitely a reference point.

1197
00:56:29,920 --> 00:56:32,000
Speaker 3: I wouldn't see that tour, so I wasn't sure if

1198
00:56:32,040 --> 00:56:33,839
Speaker 3: it was them on stage all at the same time

1199
00:56:33,960 --> 00:56:34,560
Speaker 3: or if so.

1200
00:56:34,560 --> 00:56:35,920
Speaker 1: I didn't see that tour either, but I think they

1201
00:56:35,960 --> 00:56:37,759
Speaker 1: all went on the stage at a certain time.

1202
00:56:37,840 --> 00:56:39,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was like back and forth, and.

1203
00:56:39,719 --> 00:56:41,640
Speaker 1: It's like what jay Z and Justin did you know

1204
00:56:41,640 --> 00:56:42,040
Speaker 1: on that tour?

1205
00:56:42,080 --> 00:56:44,920
Speaker 3: It just kind of like so in that case, in

1206
00:56:44,920 --> 00:56:50,000
Speaker 3: that case it must have been similar to that. It

1207
00:56:50,080 --> 00:56:52,400
Speaker 3: was really interesting. There was not really It was a

1208
00:56:52,480 --> 00:56:56,960
Speaker 3: very uh fifty to fifty on what the opinion was.

1209
00:56:57,000 --> 00:56:59,120
Speaker 3: If it was even a good idea. Oh yeah, some

1210
00:56:59,120 --> 00:57:00,799
Speaker 3: people because it was a bit of a gamble that.

1211
00:57:01,320 --> 00:57:05,920
Speaker 1: Well it worked. Yeah, Will or when Will Busted tour America?

1212
00:57:05,960 --> 00:57:07,800
Speaker 1: From J Martin seven twenty.

1213
00:57:08,360 --> 00:57:11,319
Speaker 3: It's a really good question. I would love to do it.

1214
00:57:11,400 --> 00:57:14,200
Speaker 3: I just don't know, I don't know if it will happen.

1215
00:57:15,239 --> 00:57:17,760
Speaker 3: If we did, it wouldn't be It would probably have

1216
00:57:17,880 --> 00:57:20,920
Speaker 3: to be. It's hard to justify a tour of America

1217
00:57:20,920 --> 00:57:22,240
Speaker 3: that would be on the level that we would tour

1218
00:57:22,280 --> 00:57:24,480
Speaker 3: right here, right you know, We're just the truth is

1219
00:57:24,480 --> 00:57:26,800
Speaker 3: is I don't know if like doing all this stuff

1220
00:57:26,840 --> 00:57:29,600
Speaker 3: with the Jonas Brothers will, you know, will make any difference.

1221
00:57:29,680 --> 00:57:33,640
Speaker 3: I just think that our audience seems to be where

1222
00:57:33,640 --> 00:57:37,200
Speaker 3: it is, and if that changes, amazing. But I i'd

1223
00:57:37,240 --> 00:57:39,280
Speaker 3: like to think, you know, in a dream scenario, we

1224
00:57:39,320 --> 00:57:42,800
Speaker 3: could make sense of touring here. But and I would

1225
00:57:42,840 --> 00:57:44,680
Speaker 3: love to do that, but I just don't know.

1226
00:57:44,800 --> 00:57:47,000
Speaker 1: Okay, yeah, sweet, Well we have another question.

1227
00:57:47,040 --> 00:57:50,760
Speaker 2: You are just recently released the umbab two.

1228
00:57:50,560 --> 00:57:53,760
Speaker 4: Point zero with Hanson Hanson, Yeah, and also two point

1229
00:57:53,840 --> 00:57:56,000
Speaker 4: zero with the Jonas Brothers song.

1230
00:57:56,120 --> 00:57:56,720
Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly.

1231
00:57:56,840 --> 00:57:57,200
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1232
00:57:57,240 --> 00:58:00,440
Speaker 4: So, and it's funny that I was read that and

1233
00:58:00,480 --> 00:58:02,360
Speaker 4: I was like, I've been telling Lance they need to

1234
00:58:02,400 --> 00:58:04,000
Speaker 4: do like a two point zero.

1235
00:58:04,200 --> 00:58:06,920
Speaker 1: In sync two points if they ever did of a.

1236
00:58:06,600 --> 00:58:08,120
Speaker 2: N Sync song, which would be amazing.

1237
00:58:08,160 --> 00:58:10,720
Speaker 3: It's just it's an interesting thing to do because I

1238
00:58:10,720 --> 00:58:13,840
Speaker 3: think there's a lot of love for these old songs.

1239
00:58:14,280 --> 00:58:16,160
Speaker 3: People love these songs, and if you can create a

1240
00:58:16,160 --> 00:58:19,080
Speaker 3: new way, a new version. I mean if you look

1241
00:58:19,080 --> 00:58:20,880
Speaker 3: at like back back in the day, like even like

1242
00:58:21,040 --> 00:58:23,640
Speaker 3: songs in the seventies got recorded like hundreds of times,

1243
00:58:23,680 --> 00:58:26,320
Speaker 3: you know, and you know the song is like the

1244
00:58:26,400 --> 00:58:28,200
Speaker 3: land and the recording is like the house, and you

1245
00:58:28,200 --> 00:58:29,880
Speaker 3: can build a lot of houses on the land. You know.

1246
00:58:29,920 --> 00:58:33,520
Speaker 3: It's like a different version is also a good idea.

1247
00:58:33,560 --> 00:58:35,400
Speaker 3: You also want to be careful though, because you can

1248
00:58:35,440 --> 00:58:37,840
Speaker 3: don want to release a bad version. Yeah, you don't

1249
00:58:37,840 --> 00:58:41,680
Speaker 3: want to like yeah, yeah, exactly. Yeah.

1250
00:58:41,720 --> 00:58:44,040
Speaker 1: And it also kind of I mean a lot of

1251
00:58:44,040 --> 00:58:46,960
Speaker 1: fans will never be happy with remake things. They're like, no,

1252
00:58:47,080 --> 00:58:48,240
Speaker 1: you can't touch the original.

1253
00:58:48,360 --> 00:58:51,480
Speaker 3: I know. It's like what it's kind of like you

1254
00:58:51,520 --> 00:58:52,440
Speaker 3: can't really know.

1255
00:58:52,520 --> 00:58:53,040
Speaker 2: You can't win.

1256
00:58:53,280 --> 00:58:54,440
Speaker 5: Yeah.

1257
00:58:54,680 --> 00:58:56,800
Speaker 1: All right, So before we let you go, we need

1258
00:58:56,880 --> 00:59:00,320
Speaker 1: to know what are we watching on television right now? What?

1259
00:59:00,000 --> 00:59:02,480
Speaker 1: What what musicians do we need to be looking out for?

1260
00:59:02,640 --> 00:59:03,920
Speaker 1: Can you give us any good bits?

1261
00:59:04,040 --> 00:59:10,120
Speaker 3: Yeah? I like White Lotus, Yeah really yeah? Yeah. I

1262
00:59:10,200 --> 00:59:16,040
Speaker 3: like both those seasons. That was really cool. I you know,

1263
00:59:16,120 --> 00:59:21,400
Speaker 3: I like a lot listening. I like Bruce Hornsby, I

1264
00:59:21,600 --> 00:59:28,240
Speaker 3: like the Top Gun soundtrack. I like listening to film music. Yeah,

1265
00:59:28,360 --> 00:59:34,400
Speaker 3: I like listening to James Taylor. I was actually a

1266
00:59:34,400 --> 00:59:37,680
Speaker 3: friend of mine told me about a really cool artist.

1267
00:59:38,160 --> 00:59:42,480
Speaker 1: I don't know how to pronounce his name, Oh Dejon. Yeah, okay,

1268
00:59:42,640 --> 00:59:43,240
Speaker 1: I write that down.

1269
00:59:43,320 --> 00:59:43,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, right there.

1270
00:59:43,920 --> 00:59:45,440
Speaker 1: And we need new music. I know, we always need

1271
00:59:45,440 --> 00:59:48,400
Speaker 1: good recommendations. Dejon. All right, we're going to do that.

1272
00:59:48,680 --> 00:59:52,920
Speaker 3: I really really good and songs are really good and

1273
00:59:53,520 --> 00:59:54,840
Speaker 3: he's nice.

1274
00:59:55,440 --> 00:59:58,520
Speaker 1: Okay, we'll check that out. James, it was so great

1275
00:59:58,520 --> 01:00:00,760
Speaker 1: to catch up with you. Yeah, see you again.

1276
01:00:00,880 --> 01:00:01,560
Speaker 2: So interesting.

1277
01:00:02,120 --> 01:00:04,160
Speaker 1: I love that you're here in Los Angeles, you know,

1278
01:00:04,240 --> 01:00:06,520
Speaker 1: most of the time. So I'm glad that we're going

1279
01:00:06,560 --> 01:00:08,040
Speaker 1: to be able run each other because there's lots of

1280
01:00:08,080 --> 01:00:11,840
Speaker 1: things we have things to do. Yeah, yeah, we got this.

1281
01:00:12,160 --> 01:00:13,600
Speaker 1: Is there anything you would like to tell your fans

1282
01:00:13,640 --> 01:00:15,360
Speaker 1: out there? And how can everyone stay in touch with you?

1283
01:00:15,760 --> 01:00:15,880
Speaker 4: Uh?

1284
01:00:16,000 --> 01:00:20,240
Speaker 3: No, thanks for listening. This is fun to talk to

1285
01:00:20,240 --> 01:00:24,880
Speaker 3: to you guys. And I'm on Instagram and social media

1286
01:00:25,000 --> 01:00:28,360
Speaker 3: and I try to post when I'm getting really bad

1287
01:00:28,400 --> 01:00:32,280
Speaker 3: at posting, but yeah, I mean I'm always doing something

1288
01:00:32,280 --> 01:00:33,600
Speaker 3: and it's usually on my socials.

1289
01:00:33,680 --> 01:00:36,400
Speaker 1: All right, we'll be we'll be checking it out all right, James,

1290
01:00:36,440 --> 01:00:37,440
Speaker 1: thank you so much for being here.

1291
01:00:38,000 --> 01:00:38,520
Speaker 2: Thank you.

1292
01:00:38,800 --> 01:00:43,520
Speaker 1: Yay, mister James Bourne. Everyone love. I'm gonna say.

1293
01:00:43,400 --> 01:00:45,440
Speaker 2: It, very nice guy.

1294
01:00:45,480 --> 01:00:50,120
Speaker 1: I mean, every single guest is just the nicest guy. Uh.

1295
01:00:51,160 --> 01:00:52,880
Speaker 1: I'm glad we got we've met, you know a few

1296
01:00:52,920 --> 01:00:56,680
Speaker 1: times throughout the years Miami. Now he lives in LA.

1297
01:00:57,920 --> 01:01:01,600
Speaker 1: But I didn't really know the full of James. I know,

1298
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Speaker 1: and we share the same first name, and.

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Speaker 4: I remember I remember like his group vaguely, and I

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Speaker 4: just remember like different magazines or stuff, seeing like McFly

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Speaker 4: and Busted, like the European ones and uh. But yeah,

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Speaker 4: so it's actually kind of interesting now to like now

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Speaker 4: see the whole history of those men.

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Speaker 1: Well, I know, all right, guys, Well that is all

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Speaker 1: the show I have for you. Please stay cool out there,

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Speaker 1: yes hot one, be good to each other, don't drink

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Speaker 1: and drive. Take care of those animals, especially in the heat.

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Speaker 4: Yes, lots of water and put them inside, keep hydrated.

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Speaker 1: And we will see you next time on frosted tips.

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Speaker 1: But until then, stay frosted. You missed it, Turkey, those

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Speaker 1: aren't over there, and until then, stay frosted. Hey, thanks

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Speaker 1: for listening. Follow us on Instagram at Frosted tips with

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Speaker 1: Lance and Michael turchinar and at Lance Beast for all

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Speaker 1: your pop culture needs

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Speaker 4: And make sure to write his review and leave us

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Speaker 4: five stars six if you can, and see you next time.