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Speaker 1: which is exactly what the Knicks did tonight to the Pacers.

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Speaker 1: They take Game five, so it will be a game

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Speaker 1: six Saturday in Indiana, a game the Knicks took control

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Speaker 1: of before halftime. The Pacers never really made a concerted run.

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Speaker 1: They got it to within six or eight a couple

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Speaker 1: of times, but the Knicks would always push that lead out.

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Speaker 1: They went at one eleven to ninety four. It was

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Speaker 1: a big night for the Knicks. From the guys you

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Speaker 1: expected to have big nights, You needed to have big nights.

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Speaker 1: It was thirty two from Jalen Brunson. It was a

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Speaker 1: big night for Karl Anthony Towns. And I gotta tell

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Speaker 1: you because this is kind of where I'm at tonight.

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Speaker 1: You went, How am I as a Knicks fan going

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Speaker 1: over this watching Brunson? You know, Brunson out a big

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Speaker 1: night again. He makes shots. You just make me just go.

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Speaker 1: I can't with the pressure on him. They need big possessions.

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Speaker 1: He makes it. But Karl Anthony Town's twenty four and

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Speaker 1: thirteen tonight right at a bruise. Uh. He was a

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Speaker 1: game time decision for the game tonight. But I absolutely went

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Speaker 1: out to play and played pretty well. Uh. Like when

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Speaker 1: I'm watching the game tonight, just to kind of pull

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Speaker 1: but mainly there's a lot of me and I don't

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Speaker 1: think I'm the only person watching this game. I'm the

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Speaker 1: only one watching this game going okay. I'm deciding which

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Speaker 1: Knicks can come back for next year, at which they

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Speaker 1: have to put in a trade for Giannis or somebody

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Speaker 1: and do things. Thanks because Karl Anthony Town's been a

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Speaker 1: really tough fit, and you know, and new Nobody's been

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Speaker 1: Like I'm watching, going okay, this is who I think

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Speaker 1: can come back next year and who we can put

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Speaker 1: in that trade, because the guys all make money, so

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Speaker 1: we can make an easy trade to make the money work,

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Speaker 1: whether it's Giannis to somebody else. But I'm watching that tonight,

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Speaker 1: going okay. I'm putting my gradon on the Knicks this season.

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Speaker 1: My great coming in.

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Speaker 4: Well, every one of the games I've been watching with you,

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Speaker 4: you got Jalen Brunson and every other member of the

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Speaker 4: Knicks has been blotted out by the.

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Speaker 1: Void yeah, at some point, yeah, sure, yeah, ah, he's

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Speaker 1: gone yeah yeah, like you've gotten rid of everybody. Yeah,

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Speaker 4: Bridges has been traded for seven times. Karl Anthony, Josh Hart,

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Speaker 4: you got no use for he was twelve and ten tonight,

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Speaker 4: but you hate him. I was even I was even,

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Speaker 4: I was even bad on Josh Art tonight.

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Speaker 1: Well, when he first came into it, when he comes

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Speaker 4: He's at a very inconsistent game outside of rebounding like

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Speaker 4: going to the glass, he's gone Rodman in this series

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Speaker 4: offensively not quite sure what you're getting. But defensively and rebounding,

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Speaker 4: you've had your moments. But all that watching you live,

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Speaker 4: as we're sitting here in the Fox Sports Radio studios,

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Speaker 4: every time I went at Halliburton and the team look

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Speaker 1: You're on the road.

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Speaker 4: You've still got two in the pocket that you can

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Speaker 2: And that's starting five today.

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Speaker 4: Probably one of the starting five was even in double

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Speaker 1: Nine rebounds, nine for nine from the foul line.

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Speaker 4: All of those things are are true, but it's one

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Speaker 4: of those don't give them any air and possibility to

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Speaker 4: extend this thing. So you kept going, I don't know,

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Speaker 4: pacers might have right where they want them like, And

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Speaker 4: I couldn't tell if it was smarty, smart assery or

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Speaker 4: if you really thought they're gonna blow this.

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Speaker 1: Can't wait him. I'm not gonna get too high. No,

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Speaker 1: the thing is you'll rip my heart out like.

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Speaker 2: The guy in Indiana Jones and the Temple of Doom show.

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Speaker 1: It to me. My big thing was getting to the

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Speaker 1: calling the dogs off and we're done. Yeah, if they

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Speaker 1: Game one. They're gonna pull it and put it away.

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Speaker 1: And clearly the Pacers before then, when he got to

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Speaker 1: the fourth quarter, it was a twenty two point lead,

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Speaker 1: Rick Carlisle had Tyre's Halliburton on the bench, so you know,

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Speaker 1: at that point the Pacer is basically giving up, and

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Speaker 1: it's hey, if the bench shoots us back into it,

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Speaker 1: it to ten or twelve, and Halliburton went back in

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Speaker 1: and Rick Carlisle pulled everybody out of the game.

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Speaker 1: I knew if they could just get to the midway

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Speaker 4: You know that three pointer that topp And hit, that

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's the only what he's hit of the eleven.

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Speaker 1: He's taking it, you.

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Speaker 4: Right, but you have that, so you know, the game

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Speaker 2: The books and and for the Knicks.

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Speaker 4: You know, I tweeted it and I grabbed a tweet

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Speaker 4: and texted you in Frostburg early this afternoon because Begley

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Speaker 4: Karl Anthony Towns was now a game time decision being

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Speaker 4: because of the knee injury and what.

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Speaker 1: Could have been his last game as a Nick like

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Speaker 1: Karl Anthony Towns is questionable, but.

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Speaker 4: A guy who decided, and I think this goes to

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Speaker 4: the larger point for the squad. We're not going down

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Speaker 4: without it going for We're not going to have anything

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Speaker 1: So maybe that knee is problematic.

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Speaker 4: I don't know when he went down in a heap

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Speaker 1: So, I mean, look, it's it's a it's a situation

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Speaker 1: in which the Knicks took. Why did they Why did

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Speaker 1: they win this game? And I'll give you a big

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Speaker 1: silver lining for this. They won this game simply because

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Speaker 1: defensively they were more active Jalen Brunson, who even said

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Speaker 1: after the game game four, they went at me defensively,

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Speaker 1: I have to be better defense. It's hard to hear

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Speaker 1: Jalen Brunton said I have to be better, But when

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Speaker 1: much more active tonight the Knicks and more aggressive in general.

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Speaker 4: Well, dude, Bmicbride, that was his big quote from the

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Speaker 4: post game. He just said, look, I felt like we

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Speaker 4: came out with an edge. Yeah, that's what he was.

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Speaker 4: One of the guys said, I wish they would have

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Speaker 4: had more of an edge before it was three to one.

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Speaker 4: But hey, you know, sometimes just celebrate that you got

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Speaker 1: Man, you missed a lot of good stuff. But okay,

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Speaker 1: we're here. So the defensive intensity was there for the Knicks, right,

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Speaker 1: for the Pacers, it's no due and gloom tonight, Right,

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Speaker 1: it's no doom and gloom because they're going back with

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Speaker 1: two chances to win, especially going back at home where

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Speaker 1: in theory your bench is gonna play better and Halliburn's

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Speaker 1: not gonna have another, you know, horrible game like this.

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Speaker 1: But here's your silver lining for the Knicks. Okay, here's

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Speaker 1: a silver lining is that when you examine the Pacers

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Speaker 1: and how they've played this series. Right, And we've got

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Speaker 1: a fund saying, hey, we're gonna preview the Pacers and

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Speaker 1: the Thunder NBA Finals at some point the Pacers are

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Speaker 1: gonna come back to earth. And I said, okay, in

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Speaker 1: the finals against the Thunder, they're not gonna They're they're

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Speaker 1: not gonna play at this level. They have been playing

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Speaker 1: at the highest level they could possibly play at for

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Speaker 1: the first four games of this series. Now tonight was

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Speaker 1: kind of a halfway effort, and they and they and

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Speaker 1: they packed it in. But can they continue to play?

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Speaker 1: Do they have another two games where Tyrese Halliburton has

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Speaker 1: the game of his life and again it was just

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Speaker 1: the Knicks, where Nee Smith has the game of his life,

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Speaker 1: and again just enough to beat the Knicks, where Matherin

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Speaker 1: just enough to beat the Knicks. Like are they they

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Speaker 1: got all of this in the first four games and

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Speaker 1: it's a three to two series, Like it's just gonna

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Speaker 1: go home. They're gonna rediscover that form or is this Hey,

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Speaker 1: we played as well as we could and now the

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Speaker 1: Knicks are adjusting a little bit. And again it took

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Speaker 1: a long time, but do we have enough? Can we

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Speaker 1: do that again? Because they don't just need to say, well,

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Speaker 1: Halliburton's gotta play better. It's they need Halliburton and Siakam

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Speaker 1: and then stuff from them hard and they need Niemith

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Speaker 1: Fox Sports One Insider. Is the NBA Finals really still over?

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Speaker 1: Can anybody beat the thunder? Is Luca really that skinny?

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Speaker 1: The Jason Smith Show with my best friend Mike Harmon. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: the Knicks keep the Eastern Conference Finals alive. The NBA

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Speaker 1: gets another game in this round one eleven ninety four

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Speaker 1: over the Pacers. Thirty two from Jalen Brunson, Karl Anthony

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Speaker 1: Buker who came on the show and this couple nights

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Speaker 6: What's happening, Rick, Oh, just live in the dream, Jason,

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Speaker 1: after this year. Like I feel like that's what's going

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Speaker 1: on now at this point, Like, Hey, is he going

434
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Speaker 1: to be part of of of the big solution in

435
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Speaker 1: an NBA championship team and and he's got tonight and

436
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Speaker 1: Game six to show that, Yeah, I can still be

437
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Speaker 1: that and not be shipped out for Giannis or whatever

438
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Speaker 1: you know, move the next are going to make in

439
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Speaker 1: the off season.

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Speaker 6: Well, I certainly feel like he's sometimes performing on Broadway.

441
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Speaker 6: I'll give you that much. There's something he's just fascinating.

442
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Speaker 6: There's just the body language, the facial expressions, like there's

443
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Speaker 6: a whole circus going on inside that melon over the

444
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Speaker 6: course of the game. I would love to be able

445
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Speaker 6: to kind of know what's going through his mind. But yeah, no,

446
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Speaker 6: I don't know that. I don't know that he's like

447
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Speaker 6: he's looking to go any place else.

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Speaker 1: I mean that the Knicks might say, Okay, we tried

449
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Speaker 1: it for a year. It wasn't quite as smooth as

450
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Speaker 1: we thought, and we can't have you and Jalen on

451
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Speaker 1: the floor at the same time because defensively, wow, that's

452
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Speaker 1: really is not our thing. So hey, we tried it,

453
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Speaker 1: and we need we need a different kind of mix.

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Speaker 6: Well, but I think there's one one I think there's

455
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Speaker 6: other ways to fix that.

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Speaker 5: And two, look, they're.

457
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Speaker 6: In the conference finals. Like when you have a recipe

458
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Speaker 6: that works well enough to get you to the conference

459
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Speaker 6: finals and on the brink of going to the finals,

460
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Speaker 6: continuity and uh and and depth and versatility are are

461
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Speaker 6: the hallmarks of teams getting there. And so you can

462
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Speaker 6: go and change it up and get a guy. So,

463
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Speaker 6: I mean the other problem is how are you going

464
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Speaker 6: to get a significant upgrade without giving without giving up

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Speaker 6: certain assets? And so I think it's easier said than done.

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Speaker 6: And uh and and like I'm not in love with

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Speaker 6: the combination. I wasn't in love with the combination from

468
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Speaker 6: the beginning. But since they've had Mitchell Robinson in the mix, uh,

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Speaker 6: it has it's given them options. My biggest issue is

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Speaker 6: and and Stan Dan Gundy has pointed it out Regi

471
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Speaker 6: Miller as well on the broadcast. It's just he just

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Speaker 6: does some really dumb stuff, Like there's the the fouls

473
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Speaker 6: and some of the decisions. He's really it's trick or try,

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Speaker 6: And that's what I'd like to see adjusted. I think

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Speaker 6: if he played it a little more efficiently and closer

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Speaker 6: to the vest, we would we would accept.

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Speaker 4: Some of the other shortcomings to take you behind the

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Speaker 4: curtain here, Rick, as we were sitting watching the game,

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Speaker 4: they're up fourteen, and Jason's feverishly working trade generators. The

480
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Speaker 4: only guy that was not involved was Jalen Brunson.

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Speaker 6: But that's kind of a New York Knicks fan, isn't it.

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Speaker 1: I mean, in the middle of the Eastern Conference Finals,

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Speaker 1: forget it, let's worry about next year. Let's get next

484
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Speaker 1: year and take care of But not what have.

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Speaker 6: You done for me lately? But like, what have you

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Speaker 6: done me? What have you done for me tomorrow before

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Speaker 6: we even get there?

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Speaker 5: That's what?

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Speaker 6: Yeah, it's yeah, you know what. God bless you Jason. God.

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Speaker 1: Now now let's say that. Let let's let's speak in

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Speaker 1: about looking ahead. I mean, this has been a great series.

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Speaker 1: You talked about it being closer than we see. Forget

493
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Speaker 1: about four games. I don't know that either the Paces

494
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Speaker 1: or the Knicks can you get two games from the

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Speaker 1: Thunder in the NBA Finals.

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Speaker 5: I'm with you. I'm with you there.

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Speaker 6: I I just the matchups are not are not good

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Speaker 6: for either team. And whether it's say Gilts and it's

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Speaker 6: not even like the perimeter. The guy to me that

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Speaker 6: I think is the X factor for for the Thunder

501
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Speaker 6: that that would be a difficult matchup for either the Lake,

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Speaker 6: the Pacers or the Knicks. Is Chet hold Home believe

503
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Speaker 6: it or not. I just think his defense and his

504
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Speaker 6: ability to score inside and outside, and you know, a

505
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Speaker 6: fearlessness beyond his years in attacking their rent, attacking the

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Speaker 6: rint and the.

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Speaker 5: Ability to do so.

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Speaker 2: He is.

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Speaker 6: He is a young, maybe more spry, little bit longer

510
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Speaker 6: Kristaps for zingis. That's what he's doing for the Oklahoma

511
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Speaker 6: City Thunder right now and obviously much healthier. And this

512
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Speaker 6: is what's really amazing when you look at the Thunder

513
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Speaker 6: is the trio of Jalen Williams and Shay Gilgess, Alexander

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Speaker 6: and Chet Holmgren as a young crew that has just

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Speaker 6: come together, and how well they fit together, and they

516
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Speaker 6: make room for each other and they play off of

517
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Speaker 6: each other, and generally young guys, you know, they all

518
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Speaker 6: want to prove that they belong and what they can do,

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Speaker 6: and those guys, while they're doing it, don't let it

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Speaker 6: get in a way of what is of maximum value

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Speaker 6: to the team. And to be able to do that

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Speaker 6: at such a young age is why they are where

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Speaker 6: they are because it starts with that core being as

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Speaker 6: connected as they are, and I think that that just

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Speaker 6: bleeds through the rest of the team.

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Speaker 4: It's funny, Rick, since we're into the thunder talk a

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Speaker 4: little bit, and we've certainly talked about it with you

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Speaker 4: a bunch, but the SGA Hey, Jason and I were

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Speaker 4: looking at each other the other night.

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Speaker 1: He's got that many points, you.

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Speaker 4: Know, you know, can you have a quiet thirty eight

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Speaker 4: point night if they weren't, you know, continually at the

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Speaker 4: foul line to show you the graphic, like, how about

534
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Speaker 4: is he had I don't know, ten twelve now he's

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Speaker 4: got thirty.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, well, but you know what, and a big, big

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Speaker 6: reason for that is because he scores. It's not just

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Speaker 6: that the free throw line, you know, if you look

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Speaker 6: at and this is where I take exception to the

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Speaker 6: whole foul merchant saying, first of all, he was shooting

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Speaker 6: more free throws three years ago when they were forty

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Speaker 6: and forty two and they weren't making the playoffs, and

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Speaker 6: nobody cared, nobody was saying anything. Now that they are

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Speaker 6: beating teams now, it's suddenly it's become an issue. I

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Speaker 6: think it's a skill. And two, if you look at

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Speaker 6: where he is as far as the scorers in the league,

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Speaker 6: Trey Young is I believe third, was finished the regular

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Speaker 6: season third or fourth. I want to say third in

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Speaker 6: scoring and was you know, I take that back, fourteenth

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Speaker 6: and scoring, but third in free throws made and free

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Speaker 6: throws attempted. So a far greater bulk of his scoring

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Speaker 6: came from the free throw line than a shay Gilgess, Alexander,

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Speaker 6: even Damian Lillard I think was tenth in scoring, he

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Speaker 6: was fifth and free throws made and free throws attempted.

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Speaker 6: James Harden, same thing down the scale as far as scorer,

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Speaker 6: but top five in free throws made and attempted. Jay

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Speaker 6: in looking at the top guys, is the only guy

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Speaker 6: that I could find who was lower on the scale

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Speaker 6: of free throws made and attempted than where he was

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Speaker 6: in scoring. And obviously he was the leading scorer.

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Speaker 5: In the league.

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Speaker 6: So this idea that his whole game is fueled by

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Speaker 6: free throws is a misnomer. And there are other guys

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Speaker 6: that deserve that tag far more than he does. Uh

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Speaker 6: And and one of the reasons why he's able to

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Speaker 6: get to the free throw line and score so quietly

567
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Speaker 6: is because he can score at all three levels. He

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Speaker 6: doesn't have to dunk on me. He can score in

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Speaker 6: the mid range, he can knock down a three, and

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Speaker 6: obviously he can finish at the rint. So I just

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Speaker 6: I don't. I'm not I do. People can say it's

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Speaker 6: not attractive, or he's gaming the system or whatever. All

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Speaker 6: of that may be true. He's not. He's not the

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Speaker 6: he's not the first to do it, and he's not

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Speaker 6: the biggest culprit as I see it. So I think

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Speaker 6: we're making way too much of this.

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Speaker 1: He's on Twitter at Rick Buker, that is at Rick Buker.

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Speaker 1: Check him out on the On the Ball podcast as well,

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Speaker 1: where he breaks down every one of Karl Anthony Towns'

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Speaker 1: facial expressions from getting live.

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Speaker 6: That would do something. I'm gonna have to get out

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Speaker 6: of that. That's a good idea.

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Speaker 1: See you, buddy, enjoy the games. We'll talk to you

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Speaker 1: after the next win Game seven on Monday.

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Speaker 2: LOCKDOWNE shitrec.

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Speaker 1: Always a great visit with Rick Buker. Next show tell

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Speaker 1: them how to find out what's trending in the wide

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Speaker 1: world of sports, and Martin Wiss.

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Speaker 3: What he got for us tonight game Live, going down

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Speaker 3: to the bottom of the ninth inning.

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Speaker 1: I'm sorry, bottom of the tenth inning and the bottom

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Speaker 1: of the ninth inning. It was two to two in

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Speaker 1: the seventh.

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Speaker 3: In the top of the tenth, Washington hung a seventh

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Speaker 3: spot nine to two over Seattle going into Seattle's last

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Speaker 3: three outs. That game on FS one's the last game

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Speaker 3: Live today. Elsewhere in Major League Baseball, the Phillies and

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Speaker 3: the Braves had a double header.

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Speaker 1: Phillies had a.

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Speaker 3: Five to four win in Game one, with Kyle Hober

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Speaker 3: hitting his nineteenth home run, the Braves with a nine

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Speaker 3: to three win in uh in Game two, Chris Hill

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Speaker 3: with his twenty fifth hundredth strikeout. The Blue Jays beat

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Speaker 3: the Ads twelve to nothing, and the Rays beat the

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Speaker 3: Astros thirteen to three. In the NHL, the Oilers go

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Speaker 3: ahead and advance to the Stanley Cup Final, beating the

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Speaker 3: Dallas Stars six to three. Corey Perry with the goal,

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Speaker 3: Conor McDavid had one, Evander Kaine had won as well.

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Speaker 3: Evanton scored on their first two shots of the game,

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Speaker 3: causing Dallas to bench it's starting goalie.

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Speaker 1: The Knicks stave off.

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Speaker 3: Elimination in Game five, We'll go back to Madison Square

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Speaker 3: Garden for a game six one eleven to ninety four.

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Speaker 3: The final score Jalen Brunson with thirty two points, Karl

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Speaker 3: Anthony Towns with twenty four. So those two guys combined

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Speaker 3: for fifty six. That's pretty good. Michael Bridges, oj and

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Speaker 3: Andobe combined for twenty three. Both of them had double figures.

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Speaker 3: Tyrese Halliburton only had eight points on two for seven

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Speaker 3: from the floor today. Tough day for Tyrese haliburt In.

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Speaker 3: The hot score for the Indiana was Bennett Mathern. In

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Speaker 3: the NFL, Michael Parson's not at OTA's as the Cowboys,

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Speaker 3: and he's hoping they can reach a long term extension

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Speaker 3: before the start of the twenty twenty five season. Ricky

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Speaker 3: Piersall likely won practice until training camp. Wide receiver has

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Speaker 3: a hamstring injury, says San Francisco coach Shot Kyle Shanahan.

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Speaker 3: And the Dolphins and the Steelers figuring out their framework

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Speaker 3: for a John hu Smith potential trade. Smith would like

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Speaker 3: to stay in Miami. The tight end is owed four

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Speaker 3: point eight million dollars next year. Miami wants to restructure him,

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Speaker 3: and I guess Pittsburgh didn't have enough tight ends.

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Speaker 1: Back to you guys, Oh you got a couple more,

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Speaker 1: then it's all good. Yeah, it's all good. Thank you

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Speaker 1: very much, Mart, appreciate it. What a horrible move by Miami.

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Speaker 1: This like who's running the Dolphins. It's insanely bad. Like

635
00:31:24,520 --> 00:31:27,880
Speaker 1: Dolphins and Steelers both being run horribly. But hey, okay,

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Speaker 1: why not. We're gonna trade away at tighten, a Pro

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Speaker 1: Bowl tight end called eighty eight passes. Do you have

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Speaker 1: another pass catch around the roster? Nope, don't have one.

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Speaker 2: Okay, but for the Steelers it could be fun.

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Speaker 4: You get to add an eighty eight reception guy for

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Speaker 4: the cost of a third day draft choice.

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Speaker 1: At this point, we didn't want That's where we're at

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Speaker 1: with the Dolphins. We didn't want George Pickens, but we're

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Speaker 1: gonna get john Hu Smith. Oh okay, great, all right, great,

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Speaker 1: So it's gonna be a two tight end, one wide

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Speaker 1: receiver offense. Yeah, but here's the thing, two running backs,

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Speaker 1: two tight ends, one wide receiver.

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Speaker 2: Is a Johnny Smith guy that's just gonna go out

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Speaker 2: and work. Now.

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Speaker 4: I still wonder how much of George Pickens being unhappy

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Speaker 4: was the fact that you didn't have a quarterback that

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Speaker 4: could actually throw him the ball down.

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Speaker 1: Well, you were more put him in Harm's way repeatedly.

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Speaker 4: You don't have one right versus him just being in

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Speaker 4: general malcontent. Now all the scuttle but behind the scenes

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Speaker 4: is auditioned by subtraction for the Steelers.

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Speaker 1: Jhonder Smith.

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Speaker 4: I think he's a guy that'll come into I could

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Speaker 4: be a Steeler anyways.

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Speaker 1: Maybe, Yeah, I'd want to get out of Miami. They'revo jump.

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Speaker 1: That's like a lateral move though, with the way they're

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Speaker 1: each running their team.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, but if you do anything of substance as a

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Speaker 4: member of the Steelers, you're set for life.

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Speaker 1: They will take care of you in the Burg. We'll

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Speaker 1: have more NFL on the way. But coming up next,

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Speaker 1: something really bizarre from the postgame press conference tonight between

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Speaker 1: the Pacers and the Knicks. We got it for your

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Speaker 1: next right here. You got to hear it. Fox Sports Radio.

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Speaker 2: Be sure to catch live editions of The Jason Smith

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Speaker 2: Show with Mike Harmon weekdays at ten pm Eastern, seven

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Speaker 2: pm Pacific, Fox Sports Radio.

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Speaker 1: The Jason Smith Show with my best friend Mike Harmon.

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah, we got some big craziness coming up

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Speaker 1: post game between the Pacers and the Knicks with everybody's

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Speaker 1: favorite basketball reporter Greg Doyle. Oh good, you remember him

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Speaker 1: from the Hey, You're gonna have your credential pulled because

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Speaker 1: we don't like these questions to Caitlin Clark. He was

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Speaker 1: added again tonight with Pascal Siakam following the Pacers loss,

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Speaker 1: which we'll have that for you as we're a crossing

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Speaker 1: arts dot in our eyes on this coming up in

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Speaker 1: about ten minutes. You want to know what the next

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Speaker 1: trending topic is going to be in sports, There you go,

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Speaker 1: But first we head to Vegas to find out if

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Speaker 1: Vegas thinks the Eastern Conference Finals is over. He's a

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Speaker 1: former rods maker at Caesar's. Check out his Bet the

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Speaker 1: Board podcast on Twitter at Todd Furman. See him on

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Speaker 1: CBS Todd. What's happening, man? How are you?

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Speaker 5: I'm doing well to night, gentlemen. Hopefully you boys are

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Speaker 5: as well.

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Speaker 1: His Nicks one. So what do you think my night's been?

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Speaker 2: Pal?

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Speaker 5: I was going to say, I mean, he's got to

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Speaker 5: cling to every last victory for the New York Knickerbockers,

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Speaker 5: although they stave off elimination and in the eyes of

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Speaker 5: odds makers about a three to one underdog to punch

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Speaker 5: their ticket to the NBA Finals.

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Speaker 1: Okay, that's not bad. I thought you were going to

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Speaker 1: say more than that. I'm okay at three to one,

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Speaker 1: I feel good about that.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, it turns into a two game moneyline parlay essentially

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Speaker 5: what you're looking at here, and the Pacers a three

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Speaker 5: and a half four point favorite for pivotal Game six

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Speaker 5: on the road, and then the Knicks would open a

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Speaker 5: short favorite at home if they're able to push it

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Speaker 5: to game seven.

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Speaker 1: Can I bet what Knicks fans make the trip to

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Speaker 1: Game six? Can I bet a Shalla may Stiller parlay

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Speaker 1: for game six?

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Speaker 5: I mean you may have access to their busy social calendars,

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Speaker 5: So if you're looking to try and betting it, I

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Speaker 5: figured you've talked to their agents or publicist and it

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Speaker 5: should be an overwhelming favorite if you run into the

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Speaker 5: window to try and bet that.

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Speaker 4: So we've been trying to do our crack research staff

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Speaker 4: of two, he and I in the studio here, Todd,

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Speaker 4: maybe you can help us with this Game five team

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Speaker 4: up three to one? Is there anything in the numbers

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Speaker 4: to suggest that we have a good lean in that

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Speaker 4: subsequent game? Of a team maybe not coming full throat

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Speaker 4: like the Pacers tonight.

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Speaker 5: You know, history usually working against teams with that commanding

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Speaker 5: three to one series lead, although if you look at

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Speaker 5: a team facing a three to one deficit headed home,

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Speaker 5: they've actually been a great in that particular spot. The

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Speaker 5: Knicks continued that trend. Believe that record now moves to

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Speaker 5: thirty three and twelve straight up the last forty five

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Speaker 5: times we've been in this kind of scenario, and now

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Speaker 5: it begs the question is who has the burden of

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Speaker 5: proof and the pressure on them in Game six? Is

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Speaker 5: that the Pacers playing at home, knowing if they don't

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Speaker 5: close it out they'll have to go on the road

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Speaker 5: in a hostile territory. Or is it a Knix team

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Speaker 5: that feels they let a glorious opportunity in Game one

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Speaker 5: slip through their fingers, and if things were a little

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Speaker 5: bit different, they'd be headed on the road with a

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Speaker 5: chance to close out the Pacers having essentially a mulligan

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Speaker 5: in their back pocket.

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Speaker 1: Is there any way todd that the thunder are in

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Speaker 1: an overwhelming favorite over either of these teams in the

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Speaker 1: NBA Finals.

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Speaker 5: No, no scenario where they wouldn't be a massive favorite,

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Speaker 5: and if you're looking at the Thunder right now, to

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Speaker 5: put things in perspective, they'd be right around a seven

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Speaker 5: dollars favorite against the Knicks, an eight dollars favorite against

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Speaker 5: the Pacers, and you'd be looking at them as a

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Speaker 5: two and a half game favorite, needing to lay a

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Speaker 5: substantial price. So we're talking about relatively rarefied air, typically

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Speaker 5: reserved for teams like the Golden State Warriors when they

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Speaker 5: were in their heyday, the Chicago Bulls, and it just

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Speaker 5: speaks to the level of dominance we've seen from the Thunder,

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Speaker 5: combined with the fact that we have two de facto

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Speaker 5: Cinderella stories emerging in the Eastern Conference.

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Speaker 4: Now we have the three and a half point lines

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Speaker 4: set up for Game six here back to Indiana obviously officiating,

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Speaker 4: what's an official worth, what's Scott Foster worth?

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Speaker 5: To align It always depends on what the association can

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Speaker 5: try and do from a seven figure revenue standpoint to

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Speaker 5: get an extra game seven. So you don't have that

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Speaker 5: much downtime between tipoff at Saturday night at eight o'clock

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Speaker 5: Eastern Time with the start of the NBA Finals and

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Speaker 5: the subsequent Thursday, So you always want to know the

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Speaker 5: players that are in the game, but the odds market

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Speaker 5: speaking pretty strongly that this will be the biggest favorite

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Speaker 5: the Pacers have been in any of these games thus far.

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Speaker 5: What's interesting is you've seen the total adjust a little

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Speaker 5: bit as well, a closing number two twenty three for

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Speaker 5: today's game that came in well short of that, and

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Speaker 5: we're now down to two twenty albeit in a building

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Speaker 5: where Indiana should typically control pace and tempo, and we'll

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Speaker 5: see if they can get out and race, knowing that

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Speaker 5: the Knicks don't want to try and turn it into

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Speaker 5: a track meet.

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Speaker 1: Hey, Todd, you know we see this big story today

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Speaker 1: that it looks like both the college basketball and college

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Speaker 1: football players so they can expand sometime in the next year.

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Speaker 1: Are you hearing the same thing, Like, is that going

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Speaker 1: to be a done deal? I mean, it feels like

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Speaker 1: it's moving that way.

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Speaker 5: It definitely feels that we're on a crash course. More

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Speaker 5: games mean more revenue, and well, I'm not sure that

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Speaker 5: the college basketball tournament benefits by expanding the seventy six teams.

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Speaker 5: It's widely been out there. As the sport gets more

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Speaker 5: and more top heavy, it just becomes fodder to play

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Speaker 5: in the middle of the week. We may well turned

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Speaker 5: into two hundred and fifty sixteen tournament at this rate.

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Speaker 5: That way, Northwestern and Syracuse have absolutely no excuse if

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Speaker 5: they're not playing meaningful postseason basketball. But as the football side, guys,

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Speaker 5: we know that it was just a matter of time

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Speaker 5: before the powers that be in the SEC and Big

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Speaker 5: Ten we're going to somehow be unhappy that they couldn't

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Speaker 5: have half of their respective conferences into a college football playoff.

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Speaker 5: And the fact that we're trending towards fourteen and sixteen

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Speaker 5: teams already the timeline a little bit surprising, but not

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Speaker 5: so much that we're headed there, and you have to

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Speaker 5: wonder if we'll get anywhere closer to an FCS like

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Speaker 5: twenty fourteen playoff with a lot of teams getting buys

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Speaker 5: on top of that.

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Speaker 4: Did beget a lot of action with Johnny Smith rumored

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Speaker 4: to be going to the Steelers, I mean waiting on

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Speaker 4: Aaron Rodgers to go to the Steelers.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, JOHNU. Smith not exactly moving the needle as far

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Speaker 5: as odds to win the division or regular season wins.

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Speaker 5: When you're assessing the Pittsburgh Steelers the way they're being

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Speaker 5: priced in the market now it has a little bit

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Speaker 5: of that Aaron Rodgers factor built in. Mason Rudolph would

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Speaker 5: not be a full field goal favorite on the road

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Speaker 5: at the Jets Week one anymore than the pittsg or

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Speaker 5: Steelers win total sits at a robust eight and a

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Speaker 5: half if Rootolph is QB one going into that Week

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Speaker 5: one opener.

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Speaker 1: He's on Twitter at Todd Ferman. That is at Todd

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Speaker 1: Ferman again the Bet the Board podcast. The link is

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Speaker 1: right there on his Twitter page c HM on CBS.

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Speaker 1: Todd has always been appreciate it. We'll talk to you

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Speaker 1: after the next win Game seven on Monday.

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Speaker 5: Hey, miracles happened every day in sports, and we'll have

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Speaker 5: to see if they're able to pull it off because

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Speaker 5: fortunately for the next they're much more likely to do

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Speaker 5: that than one.

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Speaker 1: So to win NLMVA three to one's not a miracle, man,

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Speaker 1: that's not now one So noo, I'm with you, but

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Speaker 1: three to one's not a miracle.

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Speaker 5: Always a pleasure, boys, have a great weekend.

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Speaker 1: Appreciated, Thanks, guys. I'll tell you I really thought it

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Speaker 1: would be reworse than that three to one. Okay, I'm

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Speaker 1: I'm feeling better now.

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Speaker 2: Feeling good.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, a brief two game parlay a.

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Speaker 1: Uh so great to visit with Todd. But coming up

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Speaker 1: next yeah, uh got to make sure the audio is

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Speaker 1: okay to play. You will hear it the big confrontation

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Speaker 1: that Pascal Siaka with the Pacers had with a now

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Speaker 1: notorious Yeah basketball reporter. That's next right here, Jason and

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Speaker 1: Mike Fox