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Speaker 1: Weekly Zeitgeist. These are some of our favorite segments from
Speaker 1: this week, all edited together into one NonStop infotainment laugh stravaganza. Yeah, So,
Speaker 1: without further ado, here is the Weekly Zeitgeist.
Speaker 2: Miles.
Speaker 1: Yes, we are thrilled to be joined by the head
Speaker 1: of represent Us, a good government group that does work
Speaker 1: around anti corruption, changing voting laws, just general trying to
Speaker 1: fix democracy stuff for something. Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, Hey,
Speaker 1: if that's what you want to do with your time,
Speaker 1: I guess you know what we saying. If it ain't broke,
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Speaker 1: So welcome here the show.
Speaker 3: It's Josh.
Speaker 4: Hey, Josh, what a great as.
Speaker 1: My voice cracked on, Josh, but you are specially welcome.
Speaker 4: Yeah, thanks, good to see you guys. I'm sorry I
Speaker 4: didn't bring a song. I didn't know I was supposed
Speaker 4: to bring a song.
Speaker 5: It's okay, okay, that's how we started setting. That's level
Speaker 5: setting energetically. So now you come you're coming in in
Speaker 5: a deficit and now energy.
Speaker 1: Is up here. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, you got you
Speaker 1: got a lot of love to Josh.
Speaker 4: You guys. It was like it was inspiring. It was inspired.
Speaker 5: Thank you, thank you. Oh yeah, anyway, nothing else happening
Speaker 5: this week? What are you gonna do for Halloween?
Speaker 1: Yeah, let's just talk about moo dang.
Speaker 4: Just talk only about Halloween.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean, I guess maybe a little a little
Speaker 5: bit we can, but we have to if we have to.
Speaker 1: Yeah, here, you're in Massachusetts and you said that you
Speaker 1: are familiar with some Wu tang saying Wu tang yard
Speaker 1: signs that I wasn't aware of.
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, presidents are temporary.
Speaker 1: Wu tang is forever. I like that, So don't vote, right,
Speaker 1: is that basically what we're saying.
Speaker 4: I'm not sure that's the message, right. I think it's
Speaker 4: like American version of keep calm and carry on a right.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 5: Yeah, Oh it's wild because I'm seeing versions that are
Speaker 5: definitely done in the maga style, which I guess makes
Speaker 5: sense that you some people would have like a visceral
Speaker 5: reaction to that font and be like what the and
Speaker 5: they're like oh good, yeah, yeah, yeah, good to know.
Speaker 1: I feel like that that trick is not that fun,
Speaker 1: Like when somebody has a mega hat that like doesn't
Speaker 1: actually say mega. It says like made you look dude, Yeah,
Speaker 1: the major look guy? Yeah yeah, what is something from
Speaker 1: your search history that is revealing about who you are? Yes?
Speaker 6: So I love the Halloween season. I love a Halloween playlist,
Speaker 6: but I realized that the you know, the difficult part
Speaker 6: of the Halloween playlist is like you don't got a
Speaker 6: lot of songs to choose from. I love having one
Speaker 6: on around the house, but like, okay, it's Monster Mash,
Speaker 6: it's Psycho Killer, I put a spell on you, and
Speaker 6: like maybe something from Nightmare before Christmas. But then you
Speaker 6: just gotta like repeat, so you know, it feels like
Speaker 6: it's the same five or six songs. But I think
Speaker 6: something people do not know is that Bobby Boris Pickett,
Speaker 6: the guy who wrote the Monster Mash, just kept writing
Speaker 6: monster songs. He just kept doing it. Every couple of years,
Speaker 6: every time there was a new trend, he would do
Speaker 6: another monster song. There's a monster Christmas song, and so yeah,
Speaker 6: this guy just like has he's got you, He's got
Speaker 6: your back if you like feel like there's not enough
Speaker 6: Halloween songs. So I was kind of going through his
Speaker 6: catalog and in the eighties, at the height of hip hop,
Speaker 6: he did the monster.
Speaker 2: Rap and I believe in the eighties. This is from
Speaker 2: the eighties.
Speaker 6: Yeah, it has a very like eighties you know, hip
Speaker 6: hop production style.
Speaker 1: Oh right, yeah. At the same time I was, I
Speaker 1: was assuming it was more recent than that because eighties
Speaker 1: rap is so I don't know, like think about like
Speaker 1: the Rodney Danger for you old rap and like you
Speaker 1: know those like theme rap songs. It is very much
Speaker 1: in that mold rap and Rodney Mister T's rats not
Speaker 1: that bad. It's not doing the nursery rhyme thing where
Speaker 1: they're like, well, my name is Dracula. I'm here to
Speaker 1: say that, you know, like they it's it feels like
Speaker 1: it was written by people. Well let's let's here listen
Speaker 1: to rat. Okay, sorry I'm not heard guess too much.
Speaker 2: Yeah, nineteen eighty four. I believe it's the.
Speaker 1: Dast tell Yeah, you're of my supposed birth.
Speaker 5: Went without episode, came down his head winds app Okay.
Speaker 1: To rap, shock, the body shock, the body, body shock, the.
Speaker 2: Shock, the.
Speaker 1: Voice.
Speaker 2: No million, I don't know who this is.
Speaker 5: Okay, So one party is definitely like you know, some
Speaker 5: sugar Hill Gang old Sea rap style.
Speaker 1: But what he said the body bought like.
Speaker 2: Shot the body shocking.
Speaker 1: He needs to he needs to sue Playboy CARDI thank you.
Speaker 1: The body part was.
Speaker 3: That?
Speaker 1: Yeah, I really enjoy Jordan thank you so much. Like
Speaker 1: usually people tell his search history, and this is like,
Speaker 1: I can use this immediately. I'm putting this on my
Speaker 1: kids playlist for Halloween tonight.
Speaker 2: And just shirt down.
Speaker 6: And just search for It'll replace all the Christian porn
Speaker 6: ship in your search his exactly, because again, this guy's
Speaker 6: got so many. He's got one called the Monster Swim
Speaker 6: that's like a parody of beach party songs. And then
Speaker 6: at some point in it he goes, it's better than
Speaker 6: the mash has to say, like bringing about that old one.
Speaker 6: We're all doing the Monster Swim now it's better.
Speaker 1: This one also opens with him saying I was still
Speaker 1: in the lab late one night, like so he's like
Speaker 1: he's just like, uh, he kind of sounds Rizon like
Speaker 1: the he's doing character work because he is getting like
Speaker 1: more annoyed by Igor as it goes along, Like now
Speaker 1: he and Igor are like kind of an old married
Speaker 1: couple in this song, Like he gets mad at him
Speaker 1: a lot. Wait, there's a chopped and screwed version of
Speaker 1: the Monster mash.
Speaker 5: Yeah, Broy, Wow, he really is doing the hip hop ship.
Speaker 5: If he's doing a chop like a DJ threw slowed
Speaker 5: down version, was that him?
Speaker 2: This is slow? Yeah?
Speaker 5: This is on the Bobby bors Picket YouTube channel that
Speaker 5: Jordan's sent through. Like one of the clips is monster
Speaker 5: mash parenthetical.
Speaker 2: Slow and spooky version.
Speaker 1: That's good. Yeah, he knows, he knows how TikTok works.
Speaker 1: People love the slow down version of famous songs too,
Speaker 1: So he's just getting in there. He's smart.
Speaker 2: He's smart. I think he has passed on.
Speaker 5: But you know, okay, well, whoever's running this YouTube k
Speaker 5: yeah put this out two months whoever?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 1: Yeah, I love just like finding a thing and sticking
Speaker 1: to it, you know, just all courage.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I know.
Speaker 6: And it's like creative people. I think we all, you know,
Speaker 6: we think a lot about like oh am I being pigeonholed,
Speaker 6: like should I branch out? Have I been doing this
Speaker 6: too long? But it's like this guy is just fucking
Speaker 6: not monster songs, new monster song every couple of years,
Speaker 6: and like yeah, I mean it's it's admirable. I like,
Speaker 6: I like get a lot of inspiration, find.
Speaker 1: Your pigeon hole and just keep drilling, yeah, drilled.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 5: It's like it's like being like Angetti's or like the Wegman,
Speaker 5: the photographer who just takes wine mariner photos, and it's like, I.
Speaker 1: Do one fucking thing, don't yeah anything else. It's these
Speaker 1: dogs in clothes. Okay, one hundred years from now, this
Speaker 1: is going to be the one thing that is artistically
Speaker 1: respected from our time. His monster songs like the only
Speaker 1: really lasting music of their time.
Speaker 2: We don't we don't know much about them.
Speaker 7: They're mysterious people, but he knows that they're They did that.
Speaker 6: Their monsters didn't get together for a lot of different
Speaker 6: kinds of parties.
Speaker 5: Right, and their female deity haktuae right to this place.
Speaker 1: Of course, what is something you think is underrated? Dange?
Speaker 8: This is going to sound very basic, but seasons, and
Speaker 8: I'm sure that's come up on the podcast before. It's
Speaker 8: coming up for me. I live in New Jersey on
Speaker 8: the Jersey Shore. It is as we record Halloween, it's
Speaker 8: very spooky October thirty first, it is eighty fucking degrees
Speaker 8: outside right now. Wow, And there's a lot of like
Speaker 8: global warming hand ringing to be done about that, because
Speaker 8: this is just like like fundamentally not the way that
Speaker 8: temperatures are supposed to go this time of year. And sure,
Speaker 8: I agree with all those reasons it's bad that we're
Speaker 8: killing the world, but also, very specifically, to me, seasons
Speaker 8: are important. We have already taken the fall decorations and
Speaker 8: clothing out of storage and are ready to move the
Speaker 8: summer decks into storage, but we can't right now because
Speaker 8: the weather is being so ridiculous and it's just turned
Speaker 8: my entire closet topsy turvy, and I don't know what
Speaker 8: to do with myself.
Speaker 1: I think of the closets. Yeah, you think of the closets,
Speaker 1: the fossil fuel industry, yeah, please please.
Speaker 5: I love Yeah, I love seasons just because growing up
Speaker 5: in LA we only have like two seasons, like hot
Speaker 5: and not as hot, right, So I like, I like
Speaker 5: wearing sleeves, I like hoods, jackets, pants, and the like.
Speaker 1: But yeah, yeah, seasons, I do too.
Speaker 8: And on a day like today, it's hard not to
Speaker 8: think back to my childhood trick or treating in New
Speaker 8: Jersey and how grateful you were for the temperature to
Speaker 8: drop a bit so you're not walking around in like
Speaker 8: full WCW sting makeup in eighty degrees of a pillowcase
Speaker 8: of melting chocolate on your shoulder.
Speaker 1: It would just be a nightmare. I will say it's
Speaker 1: a little chilly. It was a little chilly here this morning,
Speaker 1: so it's not global warming.
Speaker 2: I don't know you're talking.
Speaker 1: Okay, yeah, so we're good there. What, Caitlin, is something
Speaker 1: you think is overrated?
Speaker 9: Well, I know that it's whatever National candy corn Day,
Speaker 9: But candy corn, it's most overrated that ever happened.
Speaker 1: Because happens every year.
Speaker 5: We lo Look, we lose about ten percent of our
Speaker 5: audience every October. We're down to about fifteen people. And
Speaker 5: I'm sorry, but yeah.
Speaker 1: It's truth.
Speaker 9: It's so disgusting.
Speaker 2: Is it for you?
Speaker 1: Disgusting? Is it underwhelming? Is it? No?
Speaker 9: Well it's not to me. It's not edible. Speaking of
Speaker 9: candy that is not edible, I'm eating sugary wax that
Speaker 9: looks like shit and it tastes like shit.
Speaker 1: I hate it. Boom. I mean your ship is better,
Speaker 1: it's cooler looking the mind, clearly, But I my the thing.
Speaker 1: I am a I'm an icing bitch. I will eat
Speaker 1: the icing off your cake. You know, if you didn't ask,
Speaker 1: even if you didn't ask, I will just like you.
Speaker 1: You shouldn't have left it unguarded like that. And I
Speaker 1: think of candy corn as basically hardened icing, as opposed
Speaker 1: to the wax, which does kind of fuck it up
Speaker 1: if you think about it too much.
Speaker 5: Either way, It's like, hey man, what if you think
Speaker 5: it recontextualized it as old ass icing?
Speaker 1: And that's how I get into it. And that's yummy. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I like sugar.
Speaker 2: What could I say?
Speaker 1: But it's buttery. It is buttery. It's buttery sugar.
Speaker 5: Maybe I just need to like have like a bespoke
Speaker 5: candy corn, like the ship that's like extruded from machines
Speaker 5: like by the millions. No, it's like a hand crafted candy,
Speaker 5: hand rolled one. I'd be open to that, and I
Speaker 5: probably end up offending them by being like.
Speaker 1: This also is so bad?
Speaker 2: You fucking dumb?
Speaker 1: Yeah, all right, let's uh, let's take a quick break.
Speaker 1: We'll come back and we'll talk about porn and the
Speaker 1: upcoming election. We'll be right.
Speaker 3: Back, and we're back.
Speaker 1: We're back, and all right, So we want to talk
Speaker 1: about how money operates in politics these days, in particular
Speaker 1: with we did just remember over the break that the
Speaker 1: elections coming That was the thing. Besides Halloween, there is
Speaker 1: a presidential and many other elections coming up. Are you
Speaker 1: voting in a week? Are you going to vote?
Speaker 2: Dude?
Speaker 1: I mean, I think I've proudly said that I'm undecided,
Speaker 1: still making up my mind.
Speaker 5: I don't even know if I want to get out there,
Speaker 5: but I guess I will. It seems seems pretty grim
Speaker 5: out there.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you got to vote, guys, man Josh said, all right, come,
Speaker 1: all right, no, yeah, we are kidding. I I do
Speaker 1: just find it funny the idea that there are still
Speaker 1: people who are undecided.
Speaker 4: It's really wild, right, it is.
Speaker 1: I think some people who are willing or unwilling to
Speaker 1: reveal their terrible biases.
Speaker 4: Maybe they just really like public opinion polls, and so
Speaker 4: they attention.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and the New York Times will oblige. They will
Speaker 1: fly to your house, throw you a viewing party for
Speaker 1: the latest debate, and then ask you, huh so tough
Speaker 1: choice between and to have the person be like, yeah,
Speaker 1: I still didn't hear enough. I'm not sure what what
Speaker 1: you didn't hear enough racism? But there is Trump to
Speaker 1: be all right, but so One of the goals of
Speaker 1: this episode I've heard so many billionaires getting involved in
Speaker 1: this race. I really want to, like school house rock
Speaker 1: this shit, like, help us understand how one million dollars
Speaker 1: in billionaire's bank account or let's go one hundred million
Speaker 1: dollars make it more realistic in a billionaire's bank account
Speaker 1: goes from numbers in account to us not having more
Speaker 1: effective plans to address climate, you know, like, how exactly
Speaker 1: is that working? Right?
Speaker 5: Because they most people, the most of us, we hear like, oh,
Speaker 5: this bill like they're getting in the race to the
Speaker 5: tune of X million dollars, and I think most people
Speaker 5: like it sort of stops is like, okay, so that'll
Speaker 5: be used for like ads, probably because airtime's expensive, but
Speaker 5: it manifests in a myriad of other ways. So how
Speaker 5: how should we How does it manifest in those other ways?
Speaker 5: Aside from obviously, I think the most visible stuff are
Speaker 5: like the ads that you.
Speaker 4: See right and the ads. So let's just back up
Speaker 4: to like what they're actually trying to do, which is
Speaker 4: convince people to vote one way, one way or the
Speaker 4: other for one candidate or another. That's ultimately what the
Speaker 4: race is about. And the way that that gets done
Speaker 4: is ads tell you the story, but also flyers getting
Speaker 4: mailed to your house, people knocking on your door, ads
Speaker 4: that chase you around the internet, content that gets created.
Speaker 4: I don't know if you get a fundraising emails and
Speaker 4: emails on your phone, all that text messaging, all of
Speaker 4: that costs money. Right, Like that's all right now too,
Speaker 4: I'm blowing up. Biden texted me last night.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I have one from maybe Nancy Pelosi.
Speaker 10: I like that, thanks, Siri, Yeah, maybe, And so yeah,
Speaker 10: let's just like let's go through the how it actually works, right,
Speaker 10: So who's running those ads?
Speaker 4: Who's paying for all that stuff? You've got the DNC
Speaker 4: and the RNC, the Democratic Committee and the Republican Committee
Speaker 4: that are supporting the candidates. You have the candidates campaigns themselves,
Speaker 4: so like Harris has a campaign, Trump has a campaign.
Speaker 4: And then there's all these things we call independent expenditures,
Speaker 4: which are people in groups who are organizing outside the
Speaker 4: party apparatus to spend money on campaigns. And those are
Speaker 4: known as political action committees or packs. And so you
Speaker 4: can have a pack, or then there's a super pack,
Speaker 4: which is basically the same thing with no spending limits
Speaker 4: at all. It's just a different denomination. And the only
Speaker 4: thing with super packs is they're supposed to be totally
Speaker 4: separate from the campaign. But like, if you've got a
Speaker 4: pack called the Maga pack, we all know who they're supporting.
Speaker 4: There's no ra actual separation, right right, And so these people
Speaker 4: are raising and spending tons of money and then running
Speaker 4: their own ads and doing their own mailers and their
Speaker 4: own door knocks to get out support for that candidate.
Speaker 1: Mega pack is Donald Trump. I just googled that. Sorry,
Speaker 1: I just wanted to.
Speaker 4: I'm glad you check out. Are you an undecided voter?
Speaker 1: So I'm a low information undecided voter.
Speaker 5: I should be clarified that I think Maga Yeah, okay,
Speaker 5: maybe not this one.
Speaker 3: Oh that's him.
Speaker 1: That's Trump. Yeah, I knew it. I knew I like,
Speaker 1: I just had to google to make sure.
Speaker 5: But so this all fits, I think, because like we
Speaker 5: also hear about like dark money spending, Like there's all
Speaker 5: this dark money that goes into our elections and things
Speaker 5: like that, a lot most of it in the form
Speaker 5: of like you know, nonprofits that have like opaque donor lists.
Speaker 1: So you're like, I think I know who's I don't.
Speaker 2: I don't.
Speaker 5: I actually don't know, but there's they have a lot
Speaker 5: of money. What is like, you know, I think looking
Speaker 5: at them, not even just this race specifically, just generally,
Speaker 5: I think we've we've gone from like Obama in eight
Speaker 5: sort of being like, oh, you know, public public funds
Speaker 5: might be good to be like who am I kidding?
Speaker 2: Man?
Speaker 5: These like you're gonna get destroyed if you're not taking
Speaker 5: like this like huge these huge sums of money from
Speaker 5: outside groups. What's been kind of like the evolution I know,
Speaker 5: like obviously Citizens United is a is a Supreme Court
Speaker 5: decision we talk about a lot because it's like, hey, yeah,
Speaker 5: you the corporation have the same rights as a person
Speaker 5: to spend as much money on a race. But what
Speaker 5: what's kind of like we're was it ever in a
Speaker 5: good space or does is it truly that? I feel
Speaker 5: like since my time in politics that was really like
Speaker 5: when it just went completely bonkers when you know you're
Speaker 5: ordained by the highest court in the land to be like, yeah, man,
Speaker 5: just let it rip with your dollars however you want.
Speaker 1: And you said those two are not unrelated, you being
Speaker 1: in politics and things just going from bomkers, as I
Speaker 1: think you said off Mike, I was smoking on that
Speaker 1: super pack, you were.
Speaker 2: Low.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I did turn my hat backwards and skateboard
Speaker 1: into frame to say that.
Speaker 5: Force pierced your own ear. Yeah, that's cool, that's good.
Speaker 1: I'm sorry. But actual question.
Speaker 4: Let's just talk about how much money it really is.
Speaker 4: We're talking about five point one billion dollars this year,
Speaker 4: be a billion with a B going into these super
Speaker 4: packs getting spent on the elections. And you kind of
Speaker 4: lost me with.
Speaker 1: The has it ever has it ever been good or
Speaker 1: less bad?
Speaker 4: Oh? Yeah, right, Like it's just been different bad. If
Speaker 4: you go way back in American history, right, like we
Speaker 4: all know the stories of the smoke field rooms and like,
Speaker 4: and that's yeah, that's how politics used to happen. And
Speaker 4: then smoking on that superpack. Yeah, that's exactly smoke field
Speaker 4: rooms twenty twelve Citizens United happens. And it takes us
Speaker 4: from the era of past, so people being able to
Speaker 4: get together and spend some money on politics with regulation
Speaker 4: saying there's a limit to how much you can spend,
Speaker 4: so they just rip the roof right off of it,
Speaker 4: so it became unlimited and all billions and billions of
Speaker 4: dollars start flowing in and the problem is we the
Speaker 4: American people can't see where candidates are getting their funding from,
Speaker 4: so like it could be coming from overseas, it could
Speaker 4: be coming from people with bad intentions. We know a
Speaker 4: lot of it comes from a big industry here in
Speaker 4: the US that's trying to stop regulation from moving, and
Speaker 4: so they create these big packs and they basically like,
Speaker 4: let's say I was a lobbyist and I was like, hey, Myles,
Speaker 4: I know you're running for office, and I think it's
Speaker 4: great that you do. But I've got one hundred million
Speaker 4: dollars in a pack. Great, And I know you got
Speaker 4: this candidate Jack who's running against you, who might be
Speaker 4: a little bit you know, you might be a little
Speaker 4: bit cooler with what we need to have done. And
Speaker 4: so where do you think that hundred million about smoking?
Speaker 1: Oh dude, I love whatever you're doing.
Speaker 5: Man, I love crypto, I love gasoline, I love plastics, microplastics.
Speaker 1: So dude, I'm your guy. I'm your guy. What about
Speaker 1: a NFT made of fossil fuels. I'm just saying, like, no,
Speaker 1: but you said the Supreme Court ripped the roof right
Speaker 1: off of it. That actually sounded really cool, but it's
Speaker 1: bad what they did right, ripping the roof right off,
Speaker 1: because I do that sometimes to a party, and when
Speaker 1: I do it, it's kind of cool. But yeah, what
Speaker 1: bet it is? Yeah yeah, all right.
Speaker 4: Yeah, but you're not taking American democracy down with you.
Speaker 4: Oh so let's just go back that was twenty twelve, right,
Speaker 4: and we say, okay, forget it, there's no more rules
Speaker 4: about money in politics. And since then, we've seen the
Speaker 4: two parties move further and further apart, which means that
Speaker 4: big money has more control over these two parties that
Speaker 4: run everything. We've seen the American people get more and
Speaker 4: more disillusioned with the political system, like we all just
Speaker 4: kind of take for granted now that're like, oh, the
Speaker 4: whole thing is bought, like it's all bought, sold and
Speaker 4: paid for, and so like they're never going to do
Speaker 4: anything for me. And then we see studies from major
Speaker 4: universities that actually underscore the same point, which is like, yep,
Speaker 4: the political system doesn't work for you regular Americans. And
Speaker 4: I think if you tie a line back to twenty twelve,
Speaker 4: from twenty twelve to January sixth of twenty twenty one,
Speaker 4: you kind of think, like, well, if people are that
Speaker 4: disconnected and that angry and that correct that the whole
Speaker 4: thing has been bought and sold, it's no surprise they're
Speaker 4: going to show up being really angry at the Capitol.
Speaker 4: Like we've turned it into a breeding ground for that
Speaker 4: kind of behavior.
Speaker 5: Right, because it's all like it feels, it's like an illusion.
Speaker 5: People are like, but I thought this is I'm the
Speaker 5: outcomes I'm looking for will be achieved through this quote
Speaker 5: unquote political process. But all I'm seeing is like an
Speaker 5: exacerbation of all the things that make my life more difficult.
Speaker 5: And the people that are being enriched look nothing like
Speaker 5: I will. My life looks nothing like the way theirs look. Yeah,
Speaker 5: and I feel like that just turns into apathy or
Speaker 5: anger or whatever, and more and more people just you know,
Speaker 5: when I think we all understand it is Uh, it's
Speaker 5: frustrating to see that, but absolutely because there's no rules.
Speaker 4: The people that have the money to make one hundred
Speaker 4: million dollar donations, they are doing just fine. They've been
Speaker 4: doing just fine since twenty twelve. They're getting more and
Speaker 4: more and more share of the economy going to them,
Speaker 4: and meanwhile regular Americans are getting completely left behind. And
Speaker 4: right now, neither party is stepping up to fix it.
Speaker 4: I mean, there's a clear difference between the parties. Obviously
Speaker 4: we were joking around before, but like clear difference in
Speaker 4: the two parties, and nobody seems to have the balls
Speaker 4: to actually step up and deal with the problems with
Speaker 4: the political system when they're in power. Otherwise, you know,
Speaker 4: maybe like maybe Obama would have done it when he
Speaker 4: had power in both houses in his first term, but
Speaker 4: like they didn't get done.
Speaker 1: Because the other part is like the FEC.
Speaker 5: Also, it's I remember at that time when Obama was
Speaker 5: in office, like there was a chance to maybe put
Speaker 5: more competent or people who are more dedicated to enforcing
Speaker 5: campaigns finance laws, like as commissioners at that VC, and
Speaker 5: that just kind of came and went.
Speaker 1: And yeah, that's where you kind of I think, and
Speaker 1: that's where it.
Speaker 5: Becomes easier to see, like, well, what are the differences,
Speaker 5: because at the end of the day, like they're all
Speaker 5: sort of both both parties are beholden to playing this
Speaker 5: sort of game of like, well, I also have to
Speaker 5: answer to like corporate bene factors, which we've now just
Speaker 5: kind of we're taking the mask off. That's kind of
Speaker 5: what's going on. They it's all about money. They have
Speaker 5: the money, What am I going to do? Swear off
Speaker 5: that money? And they completely blown out like in an
Speaker 5: ad war or something because I just don't have the
Speaker 5: funds to compete. And it's yeah, now we're at this
Speaker 5: place where we're I guess at.
Speaker 2: The bottom already.
Speaker 1: Can we get more bottom? Oh we can always get.
Speaker 4: More of the bottomer, Yeah, we can go bottomer Yeah.
Speaker 1: Sure, yeah, it's so. Yeah, the signal is no longer
Speaker 1: like the idea of a democracy is signal goes from
Speaker 1: people to the politicians or the institutions that can actually
Speaker 1: do something about the will of the people. And that
Speaker 1: stopped happening like kind of completely in the.
Speaker 4: Last Yeah, I don't want you to guys to get
Speaker 4: like totally blown up on the internet. So we're going
Speaker 4: to talk about the democracy versus republic thing. Yeah, everybody say,
Speaker 4: we're not a democracy, we're a republic. We are a
Speaker 4: republic that is also a democracy, and sure, it's just
Speaker 4: worth saying that, and so yeah, yes, what you said, like,
Speaker 4: we're supposed to be able to vote for representatives in
Speaker 4: our republic who we're supposed to do the will of
Speaker 4: the people, but they don't. They do the will of
Speaker 4: special interests and the people that are funding those super
Speaker 4: PACs and the people that are funding their campaigns, that's
Speaker 4: who they have to work for.
Speaker 11: Yeah, if you if you think about it, like the
Speaker 11: the body politic, the metaphor of like a body the
Speaker 11: signal not getting from the eyes to the brain that
Speaker 11: moves things, because like that would be a disorder.
Speaker 1: That person would be in trouble or they would be
Speaker 1: really high off that lab pack.
Speaker 4: All right, I'm just I'm picturing somebody like involuntarily punching
Speaker 4: themselves in the face. Yeah, it feels like the metaphor
Speaker 4: you're going for.
Speaker 1: Yes, exactly, because they're high off that super peck of Okay, Yeah,
Speaker 1: you said something in our last conversation that kind of
Speaker 1: put a lot of this into perspective. Just when I
Speaker 1: hear dark money, I never really thought about the fact
Speaker 1: it's only dark to us, like we don't know where
Speaker 1: the money comes from. But the politicians know that. That's
Speaker 1: just like so like they have to do the extra
Speaker 1: work to keep us from knowing who is funding their campaigns.
Speaker 1: That's just totally so inherently sinister.
Speaker 4: You know, if you think about the motivations of somebody
Speaker 4: who's giving one hundred million dollar donation. It might be
Speaker 4: because they have a worldview and they really want to
Speaker 4: support it, Like it might be just totally all good, right,
Speaker 4: Like I want to see war rights for this group
Speaker 4: or that group, and I'm just going to give a
Speaker 4: ton of money to support it. The other scenario is
Speaker 4: that they're piling up all this money and they're making
Speaker 4: a phone call to a political consultant or to a
Speaker 4: politician and saying, hey, I got this giant pile of
Speaker 4: money that's about to go to either you or your opponent,
Speaker 4: and we're going to make sure that if you don't
Speaker 4: support the thing I care about.
Speaker 1: Then you're going to lose, right.
Speaker 4: And it's that that's so sinister, right, And it's exactly
Speaker 4: what's happening with all this stuff. It's it's folks who
Speaker 4: are spending shit tons of money to make sure that
Speaker 4: they have political power that is over the power of
Speaker 4: the voter.
Speaker 1: It's terrible.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean, like, what are some examples that people
Speaker 5: that kind of go over people's heads and how like
Speaker 5: I think most people are like, yeah, they put money
Speaker 5: behind a candidate and then this person they get to office,
Speaker 5: they're able to find a way to make sure that
Speaker 5: that donation didn't go completely unheard, that the results in
Speaker 5: legislation that's favorable to them. I think that's like one
Speaker 5: easy way to think about it. But like, what are
Speaker 5: some other ways that, you know, just just to kind
Speaker 5: of for people to fully understand outside of just sort
Speaker 5: of like these very easy to understand examples, Like what
Speaker 5: are the more nuanced ways that this is completely completely
Speaker 5: like perverting the process.
Speaker 4: Yeah, So in twenty fourteen, Princeton and Northeastern University did
Speaker 4: a study together and they looked at eighteen hundred public
Speaker 4: opinion polls over the course of twenty years to find
Speaker 4: out whether or not the laws that Congress pass actually
Speaker 4: represent the will of the people. And when they plotted
Speaker 4: all of their data for average American income earners, they
Speaker 4: found that when zero percent of average Americans won something,
Speaker 4: there's about a thirty percent chance that Congress is going
Speaker 4: to pass that law about that thing. And they also
Speaker 4: found that if one hundred percent of Americans want something,
Speaker 4: there's a thirty percent chance that Congress.
Speaker 2: Is going to do it.
Speaker 1: That's what the key takeaway is, Yeah, it's like it's
Speaker 1: not good, No.
Speaker 4: It's not great, no matter what the American people want,
Speaker 4: there's about a thirty percent chance that Congress passes a law.
Speaker 4: In other words, we have near zero, statistically near zero
Speaker 4: impact on public policy. We the American people. They ran
Speaker 4: the same data for special interests and wealthy donors and
Speaker 4: all of that, and they found that those groups actually
Speaker 4: do have influence. And then when you think about it, practically,
Speaker 4: like there's all sorts of issues that Americans really do
Speaker 4: agree on that are just like common sense solutions to
Speaker 4: stuff that we care about, whether it's whether it's background
Speaker 4: checks or abortion or like, there's lots of really difficult
Speaker 4: issues that Americans want solutions on, but the only way
Speaker 4: that we end up talking about it is it's this
Speaker 4: incredibly wild, divisive way. And that goes right back to
Speaker 4: the It goes right back to the money in politics,
Speaker 4: because they have so much more power when we're all
Speaker 4: talking about the extremes rather than common sense solutions.
Speaker 1: Yeah, there were there were just a a there's been
Speaker 1: some moments in the Biden administration where it felt like
Speaker 1: he was like, yeah, man, I want to jack, but
Speaker 1: like I just my hands are tied, where it felt
Speaker 1: like he wasn't talking specifically about Congress but it was
Speaker 1: like if they said he wasn't talking specifically to me, Jack, Jimmy,
Speaker 1: I know, I know that was confusing, but Jack and
Speaker 1: Mac and I feel like that is kind of what
Speaker 1: he's referred like when you're a politician, like you're stepping
Speaker 1: into this system where you are beholden to these like
Speaker 1: massive moneyed interest groups, and you know, the stuff that
Speaker 1: he was able to get passed, for instance, with regards
Speaker 1: to like pushing back on just tech monopolies and the
Speaker 1: power of the tech industry. I was reading this New
Speaker 1: Yorker profile like millionaires who are donating to Trump's campaign,
Speaker 1: and like it's there are some of these traditionally Democrat
Speaker 1: donors who like switched over because they're like, well, we
Speaker 1: just can't live like what Biden has done in this
Speaker 1: administration is like unconscionable. It's just like he's like trying
Speaker 1: to regulate, you know, completely unregulated tech power. So yeah,
Speaker 1: it just it feels like like it's pretty clear how
Speaker 1: it works. I guess we just don't hear the specifics
Speaker 1: of it, like on a day to day basis. It
Speaker 1: feels like it's one of those things that like in
Speaker 1: the mainstream media they won't just be like, yeah, now
Speaker 1: all that money's going to Trump because there was pushback
Speaker 1: against like tech oligarchs in during the Biden administration, you know.
Speaker 4: Totally the first time ever. This year, the crypto industry
Speaker 4: is the largest super pac industry. Like there crypto companies
Speaker 4: are giving more to politics than any other group, two
Speaker 4: hundred and four million dollars going into the campaign, right,
Speaker 4: and uh yeah, yeah, it's back to the same thing.
Speaker 4: It's like they don't sure, I guess they don't want
Speaker 4: to be regulated, but like, isn't it the government's job
Speaker 4: to do what's in the best interest of all the
Speaker 4: people and not just like those that have already made
Speaker 4: a ton of money off the system that we have.
Speaker 5: Yeah, and so what I think, because that's like all
Speaker 5: roads lead to Well, it's it's just the the just
Speaker 5: obscene influence of money that creates this sort of like
Speaker 5: legislative gridlock too, like to a you know, a much
Speaker 5: more extreme extent, because like to your point, whenever people
Speaker 5: are like when politics are like, well it's not that easy,
Speaker 5: what they're saying is like, well, in this game, if
Speaker 5: I step out of line, that special interest group they
Speaker 5: come in and they primary me and put someone else
Speaker 5: up to race in the race against me that will
Speaker 5: be much better funded than me, and then I will
Speaker 5: lose my seat. And because I want to be the
Speaker 5: most popular person in my state, I have to do
Speaker 5: whatever it takes to stay in office. And so it's
Speaker 5: really not so much about what you want, but like
Speaker 5: half of making it seem like I'm acting out the
Speaker 5: will of the voter in my constituents and the other
Speaker 5: half making sure I damn sure do not cross these donors,
Speaker 5: because that's really that's who causes the most damaged, because
Speaker 5: they can actually influence.
Speaker 1: The voters more than the voters can influence me.
Speaker 4: And look, if you want to get anything done, you
Speaker 4: have to be in power right right, And the only
Speaker 4: way to stay in power is to fundraise. The New
Speaker 4: York Times did this awesome expose recently where they interviewed
Speaker 4: a bunch of members of Congress who are on their
Speaker 4: way out, so they're retiring this year or whatever, and
Speaker 4: one of them talked about, in order to get a
Speaker 4: bill put forward, you have to be on a committee,
Speaker 4: right otherwise you can't even move a bill. And in
Speaker 4: order to be on the committee, you have to hit
Speaker 4: your fundraising goals for the quarter, which is some ridiculous
Speaker 4: amount two hundred fifty thousand dollars or something. But in
Speaker 4: order to be the person who decides whether or not
Speaker 4: the bill makes it to the floor of Congress, you
Speaker 4: have to be the chair of that committee, which is
Speaker 4: an even higher fundraising goal. And so when we talk
Speaker 4: talk about like the system is designed to stop good
Speaker 4: people from getting good things done, it's that kind of thing.
Speaker 4: It's like, right, no matter how well intentioned you are,
Speaker 4: you're gonna have to go fundraise for special interest in
Speaker 4: order to get anything done, right. And if that's who
Speaker 4: you have to fundraise from, and then you cross them,
Speaker 4: you're cutting off your your source of power.
Speaker 1: Right.
Speaker 4: And so until we fix this problem, it's just gonna
Speaker 4: keep getting worse.
Speaker 1: Okay, So there's a fix. Yeah a way, No, it
Speaker 1: sounds like we're fucked. I think the episode's over.
Speaker 4: Yeah, really happy podcast.
Speaker 1: All right, Well, okay, so I we we just cut there.
Speaker 1: Josh told us that there might actually be a solution.
Speaker 1: So we're gonna take a break, we're gonna come back
Speaker 1: and we're gonna hear what what could possibly be done
Speaker 1: about the way the system operates. We'll be right back,
Speaker 1: and we're back. We're back. Jordan, Are you a baseball fan?
Speaker 2: You know I'm not.
Speaker 6: I'm not a baseball fan, but I am really enjoying
Speaker 6: the World Series vibes around LA. I was in a
Speaker 6: in a restaurant last night where they were showing the game.
Speaker 6: LA lost, but just like great vibes. I don't know,
Speaker 6: it's really fun as a non sports fan but not
Speaker 6: I'll clarify, I'm not a sports ball guy.
Speaker 2: I'm not a superb Owl guy.
Speaker 6: Just a man who doesn't necessarily follow follows sports. But yeah,
Speaker 6: I don't know, it's fun when the home team's winning,
Speaker 6: It's uh, yeah, I'm liking it. I'm liking a positivity
Speaker 6: in the city for sure.
Speaker 1: So on the night of the twenty ninth, three guys
Speaker 1: I think it was a group of three, two who
Speaker 1: were like the main perpetrators, got in just as a wire.
Speaker 2: I think all three got kicked out.
Speaker 1: Oh the video I saw was just the two, but anyway,
Speaker 1: maybe it was just the two, but they got in
Speaker 1: just under the wire. For like group costumes, if you
Speaker 1: don't have a Halloween costume yet, I feel like because
Speaker 1: one of the if.
Speaker 2: You're in a throttle you got your guys.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well they're wearing sunglasses at night.
Speaker 2: Yep.
Speaker 1: One of them has uh this was my favorite detail.
Speaker 1: One of them had a slide glove, like the glove
Speaker 1: that people wear one ride running bases that can only
Speaker 1: be described as like a oven mitt without the thumb part.
Speaker 1: Masculine of the most masculine. Yeah. Yeah, one of the
Speaker 1: had that for no reason like I've seen I've seen
Speaker 1: people go to games with baseball gloves because you are
Speaker 1: hoping to catch a foul ball. But like the slide
Speaker 1: bit is just I guess, announcing your intention to like
Speaker 1: storm the field. Yeah yeah, yeah, but love their whole
Speaker 1: energy wearing sunglasses at night. The guy who wasn't had
Speaker 1: eyes like two pistoles in a snowbank. To quote my
Speaker 1: mom when I came in extremely fucked up one time.
Speaker 6: I'll say the guy the kind of the main dude
Speaker 6: in this altercation, I would say his look is adult wrizzler.
Speaker 5: Yeah, adult wrizzler. If Tim Robinson was playing the adult wrizzler. Yeah,
Speaker 5: so many, so many people have been posting I think
Speaker 5: you should leave memes to be like it was, whether
Speaker 5: it's the.
Speaker 1: Phone one with him like this like yeah, so many.
Speaker 5: Face expressions like yeah there is so what what happened
Speaker 5: for people who aren't watching and aren't up on it?
Speaker 1: And may the World Series may well be over by
Speaker 1: now because five is tonight, but it game four fly
Speaker 1: ball was hit into like right the right field bleachers,
Speaker 1: and Mookie Betts went and made a spectacular catch, and
Speaker 1: a guy who was there in the crowd just grabbed
Speaker 1: his glove and held him there like aloft while his
Speaker 1: friend like held Mookie. That's risk. The first guy the
Speaker 1: ball out just pried the ball out like that was
Speaker 1: the rules. Yeah, and yeah it was. It was very
Speaker 1: very weird, like it was the It was immediately called
Speaker 1: like fan interference and like the home team who they
Speaker 1: are rooting for was ruled out and then they were
Speaker 1: kicked out. But but for one game for just crazy Yeah, Steve.
Speaker 5: Bartman had to exile to god knows where. Yeah, these
Speaker 5: guys who.
Speaker 1: Touched the ball right as they were about to catch
Speaker 1: it and like hurt the Cubs chances of winning the
Speaker 1: World Series.
Speaker 5: And like but this one, I guess because it's like, yeah,
Speaker 5: fuck them. I think that's really why it feels I
Speaker 5: think justified amongst fans and like I was texting some
Speaker 5: of my friends, I'm like, dude, if I was three
Speaker 5: to zero down, I would be doing some fucking toxic shit,
Speaker 5: I think out there, but.
Speaker 6: Right, find your worst fans, get them as close to
Speaker 6: the game as possible.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 1: I think it also speaks to the bitterness that, like
Speaker 1: you know, just sports fans experience constantly, just simmering rage.
Speaker 1: I should be out there catching the ball and I'm not. Yeah,
Speaker 1: just a new strain of dirt egg just dropped, I
Speaker 1: feel like, and it's I I remember the Steve Bartman moment.
Speaker 1: And this was year, like over a decade ago, Like
Speaker 1: like Myles was saying, like a Cubs fan caught a
Speaker 1: ball that would have been caught by the home team.
Speaker 1: A lot of people say he cost the Cubs. And
Speaker 1: he had an iconic look because he was like wearing
Speaker 1: headphones and a turtleneck for some reason, and everybody that year,
Speaker 1: like there were so many good Bartman costumes. It was.
Speaker 1: It was such a good it's such an iconic look
Speaker 1: that I expect to see some Yankee dirtbag fans out
Speaker 1: there this year. But yeah, like you said, he's only
Speaker 1: banned for Game five. We got.
Speaker 6: When I saw these guys. My initial reaction was, I
Speaker 6: bet these guys still use the nicknames they were given
Speaker 6: in high school. Oh yeah, yeah, I bet these guys
Speaker 6: still call each other like dump truck or something.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, exactly.
Speaker 5: They're like there, where's bag of donuts? See bag of donuts?
Speaker 5: Fish the fucking ball of Mookie Betsmitt bro the fucking
Speaker 5: I love the quotes from this The fucking deranged dude
Speaker 5: are quotes.
Speaker 2: I missed the call. I'm sure they were.
Speaker 1: They found You'll never guess Jordan where they found him
Speaker 1: after he was kicked out. Oh my god, do I
Speaker 1: get a near got three guesses across the street.
Speaker 2: Oh my god?
Speaker 1: He wrote it on their shoulders. Yeah yeah. He said
Speaker 1: he had previously discussed with his friend that if a
Speaker 1: ball comes their way, we're gonna d up. I patrol
Speaker 1: that wall and they know that.
Speaker 6: Oh no, this guy's he's made it his fucking thing.
Speaker 2: He's like, it's my thing. I patrolled the wall.
Speaker 1: Yeah, my god, I wonder who he's voting for.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I patrol the wall.
Speaker 5: Is a very interesting description of him getting ship faced
Speaker 5: and pretending he's on the Yankees.
Speaker 2: But okay, right, I pray to be there. But I
Speaker 2: do a job. I do pay them. But I I'm
Speaker 2: the wall patrol guy.
Speaker 5: But I okay, okay, I control my neighborhood too, boy, yeah, okay,
Speaker 5: what the controls are you on, sir? But yeah, I
Speaker 5: like I said quote, I know when I'm in the wrong,
Speaker 5: And as soon as I did it, I was like, boys,
Speaker 5: I'm out of here.
Speaker 6: Well that shows that shows some maturity and reflection, you.
Speaker 1: Know a little bit. Yeah, he knew, he knew where
Speaker 1: the line was.
Speaker 6: And you know, Tony Hitchcliff would say, boys, I'm out
Speaker 6: of here.
Speaker 1: Boys, I know when I'm in the wrong, and I
Speaker 1: sure fucked up. I agree later myself.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah. I also I feel like every member of the
Speaker 1: Yankees and like this group of fans they all look
Speaker 1: like they leave the stadium and put on NYPD uniforms,
Speaker 1: like yeah, like they really like the guy who was
Speaker 1: like one of the heroes of the game last night
Speaker 1: for the Yankees, I was.
Speaker 2: Like a big mustache.
Speaker 5: It's just like that's yeah, yeah, they're going that's the
Speaker 5: only facial hair you can have as a Yankee.
Speaker 1: Like that.
Speaker 5: That ship is so like tightly regulated for being a Yank,
Speaker 5: which is also very weird. But yeah, I feel like
Speaker 5: half of those players are about to be like those
Speaker 5: scenes or like undercover cops who are usually Yankees Jerseys
Speaker 5: pull out the badge that's on a necklace.
Speaker 1: Yea, yeah, I'd like, bro, whoa whoa NYPD asshole? Like,
Speaker 1: is that you have those underneath?
Speaker 2: Maybe?
Speaker 6: Yeah, all those punisher stickers with the blue Lives Matter
Speaker 6: flags exactly.
Speaker 1: That they pull that out when the next time Mookie
Speaker 1: Bets have a fly ball next to the wall logo. Yeah,
Speaker 1: all right, let's talk haunting houses, guys, haunted houses, or
Speaker 1: as I call them, haunting houses. It turns out a
Speaker 1: lot of Americans believe in ghosts, sixty one percent more
Speaker 1: than is going to vote for any presidential candidate. And
Speaker 1: it's like it's actually a legal issue, because yeah, this
Speaker 1: is interesting. Yeah. So there a person once sued because
Speaker 1: they bought a haunted house, the house and and the
Speaker 1: local court and it went all the way up to
Speaker 1: the Supreme Court ruled as a matter of law, the
Speaker 1: house is haunted, in a decision that's become known as
Speaker 1: the Ghostbusters ruling. I assumed this was in the thirties
Speaker 1: at the latest. Eight it was in the nineties that
Speaker 1: somebody bought a house and then was like, whoa, whoa, whoa,
Speaker 1: you didn't tell me it was haunted, and was able
Speaker 1: to get their money back because they hadn't completely revealed
Speaker 1: the degree to which was haunted.
Speaker 5: Like the person who owned the house was like, this
Speaker 5: shit is haunted as hell. An old sea captain visits
Speaker 5: me at night. And then when a buyer came, they like, yeah,
Speaker 5: it's pretty cool. It's pretty cool. It's pretty cool. And
Speaker 5: then so it wasn't. It was only because that owner
Speaker 5: had out in the open been like you had like
Speaker 5: a New York Times baby, that they're like, oh, well,
Speaker 5: that's just so funny.
Speaker 1: As a matter of law, the haunt the house is haunted.
Speaker 5: Yeah, we should have judge down he got scared, spent
Speaker 5: one night and their hair was standing up from such
Speaker 5: a fright.
Speaker 1: But it's basically spawned a cottage industry of psychics and
Speaker 1: exorcists who work with real estate agents to sort of
Speaker 1: get the haunted houses cleared.
Speaker 7: Yeah sure, so this is this is literally a yeah,
Speaker 7: it is now just a real business.
Speaker 1: Yeah right, yeah, yeah, I was. I was checking.
Speaker 5: It's funny, that's the first thing I thought of, and
Speaker 5: I checked her Twitter. She hasn't posted since.
Speaker 6: The name, Oh the haunted realtor from Nathan.
Speaker 1: Yeah exactly. She's like, all my what was the bus bench? Ads? Like,
Speaker 1: all my house are one ghost free.
Speaker 2: I mean that lady was just fucking ahead of the game.
Speaker 2: She should jump back in. Now.
Speaker 6: It's apparently a legitimate business.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a It is a legit business, and legit
Speaker 1: in that people give you legit money for pseudo scientific thing.
Speaker 6: But they just come in and they're like, so good
Speaker 6: news and bad news. Good news. Uh, the spirit of
Speaker 6: the murdered Victorian out has been sent back to hell.
Speaker 2: But I do have black mold. I'm sorry too. That's
Speaker 2: gonna be pricey.
Speaker 1: Yeah that's no problem. Yeah, we'll see if we can
Speaker 1: get some concessions on that. I'll bring the price down.
Speaker 2: A little bit.
Speaker 1: But yeah, but yeah, four states have real estate disclosure
Speaker 1: laws that specifically mentioned paranormal activity.
Speaker 2: I love that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, like you have to tell people, and some real
Speaker 1: estate agents actually like bundle the service. There's a Toronto
Speaker 1: psychic realtor, Larry Medina.
Speaker 2: Who I just like that.
Speaker 1: There's like, yeah, fuck it fine, Like oh yeah I
Speaker 1: can actually so I know you're worried that the house
Speaker 1: is haunted. I can actually see ghosts. There is a
Speaker 1: ghost here. I'm gonna talk to them though, and well.
Speaker 6: Know, I'm gonna I'm gonna find them a nice little
Speaker 6: bungalow to move into.
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, yeah I can. And I can get them
Speaker 5: to another place if you want, of your choosing. That's
Speaker 5: an extra fee. But yeah, anyway, well let's talk, let's talk.
Speaker 5: Let's talk offline about this.
Speaker 1: They have looked into whether this would dissuade young people
Speaker 1: who don't have affordable housing, and it turns out young
Speaker 1: people don't give a shit over shit yeah, because they're like, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: millennials and gen z would live in the goddamn Overlook
Speaker 1: hotel if it was remotely affordable.
Speaker 5: Yeah. I mean, it's also interesting to think like that
Speaker 5: the idea of the haunted house is like from an
Speaker 5: actual like just old big Victorian homes like be going
Speaker 5: abandoned like in the twentieth century, so like there was
Speaker 5: just this visual of being like that's from a bygone era.
Speaker 5: But now we've all collectively been like these.
Speaker 2: Are haunted homes. Yeah.
Speaker 1: There was a real estate panic called the Panic of
Speaker 1: eighteen ninety three, which was a prolonged American economic collapse
Speaker 1: that led to foreclosure and abandonment of property, and it
Speaker 1: disproportionately affected over large, newly built homes. And at that
Speaker 1: time the style of home that was popular was Victorian
Speaker 1: homes like the Family, the Adams Family, the Bates House,
Speaker 1: and Psycho like those houses that are basically what you
Speaker 1: picture when you picture a haunted house. They were just
Speaker 1: all newly built when there was this real estate implosion
Speaker 1: and so for you know, the first two decades of
Speaker 1: the twentieth century, they were being left to rot, and
Speaker 1: so everybody was like, oh, the old spooky man are
Speaker 1: on the hill. And that's where a lot of our
Speaker 1: images of haunted houses come from, which well, I don't
Speaker 1: know which they gave discounts.
Speaker 6: We're in a world now where there's like there's old goths,
Speaker 6: Like there's old goths who were probably buying houses. You
Speaker 6: can charge them more for that, right right.
Speaker 1: Right exactly, Like somebody needs to come and take the
Speaker 1: opposite side of this and be like, I can get
Speaker 1: you a haunted house or like.
Speaker 5: Wouldn't that just be like or in the place that
Speaker 5: has these disclosures laws, like you can just like con
Speaker 5: your way into a cheaper house and like, oh, this
Speaker 5: place is actually fucking haunted and they didn't say anything,
Speaker 5: so like we've got to knock the price down and
Speaker 5: this just hanted.
Speaker 1: It's just haunted. I think, what this what let's call
Speaker 1: it like ten thousand? Yeah, okay, great?
Speaker 6: Can I can I use that to like get out
Speaker 6: of shit at an airbnb?
Speaker 2: Maybe?
Speaker 6: You know, like how's kind of hitting you now with
Speaker 6: the stuff where it's like, ooh, you didn't strip the
Speaker 6: bed sheets. That's two hundred dollars, Like, well, it was haunted.
Speaker 6: I had to run out.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and you didn't disclose. Yeah.
Speaker 6: I couldn't weirdly strip the bed and load the washing
Speaker 6: machine like you want me to for some reason.
Speaker 5: So right, but I'm paying you. Okay, I'm sorry I
Speaker 5: didn't I didn't separate the colors from the whites and
Speaker 5: that load that I left.
Speaker 2: Sure, yeah, I'm sorry. I'm sorry.
Speaker 6: There was a towel on the towel rack anyway, Well
Speaker 6: that's haunted. I had to run out of the bathroom
Speaker 6: because now I.
Speaker 5: Have to charge you one hundred and fifty dollars cleaning
Speaker 5: fee for that errand towel.
Speaker 1: Would you guys move into a haunted house. Yeah, because
Speaker 1: I don't fucking I never and that'll ok.
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, and I think.
Speaker 6: So I think, I'm I'm I'm I'm not a ghost
Speaker 6: believer either, so I think it could be and you know,
Speaker 6: a fun story for for cocktail parties and such and.
Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly, yeah, I mean, yeah, worst case scenario, you
Speaker 1: have proof that there's like some weird spiritual realm. If
Speaker 1: the house is indeed haunted, you know, yeah.
Speaker 2: It's like there's bigger things going on.
Speaker 5: And then your life situation also when I because when
Speaker 5: I was a kid, and like I remember my grandparents'
Speaker 5: house in Japan was real creaky, and.
Speaker 1: Then a kid, I'm like, mom, it's ghost.
Speaker 5: It's like it's an old house and the temperature is
Speaker 5: affecting the wood, so you're hearing it's like alive, so
Speaker 5: it creaks. And I was so scared that I just
Speaker 5: held onto that for dear life to be like always dismit,
Speaker 5: like I don't give a shit now whatever I hear,
Speaker 5: I'm like, that's just the fucking house.
Speaker 1: What am gonna do? This isn't some ghost shit going on.
Speaker 1: I grew up in a house, uh well next to
Speaker 1: in Dayton, Ohio. I lived next to this house where
Speaker 1: somebody had like killed themselves recently, and it was like
Speaker 1: right next to the driveway where I would like shoot
Speaker 1: hoops late at night, and like I was telling my
Speaker 1: friend about that one time that like, yeah, right there
Speaker 1: that house like that like a guy killed himself, like
Speaker 1: what our neighbor had been, Like this kid had modis
Speaker 1: long and been the last one to see him. And
Speaker 1: then like the lights flickered and the like I swear
Speaker 1: to God, it was like two steps that I took
Speaker 1: before I was like in the kitchen, hiding under the table. Right.
Speaker 1: So even though I logically don't believe in ghosts, I
Speaker 1: also recognize my ability to. Like one of the explanations
Speaker 1: is like people have like unconscious open, like open unconscious minds,
Speaker 1: and I feel like I have a mind that is
Speaker 1: like willing to just yeah, I don't let anything in
Speaker 1: because I don't doubt stupid.
Speaker 5: I don't doubt when people are like this wild shit happened,
Speaker 5: Like I told, perception is reality. Sure, I just know
Speaker 5: my mind is totally closed off to that shit. So yeah,
Speaker 5: I'm I think I just I've shut down the channel
Speaker 5: that wouldn't maybe even perceive that, maybe because I'm so scared. Yeah,
Speaker 5: you know, and that's why, because ghosts are story.
Speaker 1: I don't know. And then when I told my parents,
Speaker 1: you know, I was out there shooting baskets with my
Speaker 1: neighbor Fred and like this happened, they were.
Speaker 2: Like, Jack, Fred died three years old.
Speaker 1: Fuck, you're not.
Speaker 2: Oh my god, Basketball? Who burned down?
Speaker 1: Ago?
Speaker 2: What were you throwing the ball at?
Speaker 1: Just have a pile of ashes in my hand?
Speaker 2: Me your mom? I passed away.
Speaker 1: I'm not here. This story is not really holding together, guys.
Speaker 1: This is an even Dayton Ohio. This is a Bubba
Speaker 1: Gump shrimp code. All right, that's gonna do it for
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