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Speaker 1: I'm sure you want to get in and you want

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Speaker 1: to talk about the lending Colins stuff. We will certainly

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Speaker 1: take your calls on that as quickly as we can.

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Speaker 1: We also want to go through a little bit Lance

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Speaker 1: the other stuff in free agency and kind of square

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Speaker 1: away a lot of the details here. You know, you

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Speaker 1: have restricted free agents, you have exclusive rights free agents,

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Speaker 1: and just exactly figure out where the Giants are. They

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Speaker 1: did announce a contract today with aljac Rosas being resigned.

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Speaker 1: The terms of the contract, as far as I could tell,

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Speaker 1: we're not disclosed on that deal. A guy who in

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Speaker 1: his second year made the Pro Bowl last year and

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Speaker 1: obviously a very important player for the Giants to bring back. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: had to breakout campaign after his rookie season was up

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Speaker 1: and down. John as that has been well documented, so

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Speaker 1: it's a valuable piece that the Giants are gonna hold

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Speaker 1: onto With respect to Rosas, because I think when you

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Speaker 1: take it to consideration, what he did for this team

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Speaker 1: from a kicking perspective, from a special team's perspective, you know,

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Speaker 1: it goes without saying that he put his stamp on

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Speaker 1: the two thousand eighteen seasons. So that's a big reason

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Speaker 1: why they invested in him. And this is somebody that's

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Speaker 1: not going to take up a lot of money in

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Speaker 1: terms of the cap space, so it's a worthy investment

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Speaker 1: no matter how you look at it from a variety

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Speaker 1: of angles. So you know, this was a good move.

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Speaker 1: Take care of business, not have to worry about it

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Speaker 1: down the road. And I think Rosas, to me, what

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Speaker 1: jumped out to his play as well as my opinion

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Speaker 1: of him last season, was how he embraced also the

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Speaker 1: competition that was brought into camp, and he didn't miss

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Speaker 1: all that into consideration, I think that's a good sign

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Speaker 1: for a young, developing player, and he was so consistent

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Speaker 1: and that's what jumped out of me for a guy

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Speaker 1: that young, and frankly, his first year with the Giants,

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Speaker 1: he was very inconsistent and he frankly didn't play particularly well,

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Speaker 1: and that's why they brought the competition topic competition and

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Speaker 1: like you talked about, and he handled well. He kicked

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Speaker 1: the hell out of the ball on the summer and

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Speaker 1: then he never even hit a down period. You know,

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Speaker 1: every year, usually every kicker and every team will have

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Speaker 1: like a couple of games stretch where a shanks one

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Speaker 1: he or there, you miss here, you missed there. You know.

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Speaker 1: I think he had a couple of kick loves go

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Speaker 1: his year. Uh. Just such a consistent year from a

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Speaker 1: you're right. The one thing that comes to my mind,

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Speaker 1: John is the fact that he did have one kick

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Speaker 1: But when you think about how many close games the

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Speaker 1: Giants have played over the last few seasons, when you

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Speaker 1: take all of that into consideration, it's so important that

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Speaker 1: many games, John, if you look back at that two

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Speaker 1: and then you even move the calendar forward to this

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Speaker 1: season games that could have easily went the opposite way.

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Speaker 1: When you have a reliable kicker, it's a huge X

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Speaker 1: more flexibility when it comes to making decisions around midfield too.

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Speaker 1: You know, you don't have to get the extra ten

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Speaker 1: always nice. And one thing Pat Shermer mentioned he doesn't

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Speaker 1: But he's also made a strong impression to a brand

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Speaker 1: a good investment for the Giants, and you just hope

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Speaker 1: that Rosas continues to show consistency because it's it's so critical.

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Speaker 1: Look at the Bears and look at what they're going

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Speaker 1: Do you really want to go through that every season?

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Speaker 1: it's a good idea to keep an eye and them. Okay,

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Speaker 1: So on Giants dot com right now, Dan Salem will

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Speaker 1: put up two really good articles breaking down everything you

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Speaker 1: So obviously, the Giants have three different types of free agents.

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Speaker 1: players that you can you know, give tenders to and

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Speaker 1: Just in terms of timing, the start of the two

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Speaker 1: contracts cannot become official though oftentimes, at least from what

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Speaker 1: the timing you're looking at lines in terms of what's

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Speaker 1: the previous off seasons. If you remember, there's been a

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Speaker 1: so exactly. Last year is a perfect example. So here

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Speaker 1: Jamal Brown unrestricted free agent, Landon Collins unrestricted free agent.

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Speaker 1: Carry Wynn unrestricted free agent, Corey Coleman restricted free agent.

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Speaker 1: which basically means it's impossible for him to leave. And

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Speaker 1: took over general manager. Maybe it was worse, but I

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Speaker 1: think what I read recently, because I did look back

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Speaker 1: at the numbers, I think it was just about sixteen

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Speaker 1: million over the caps. And it took him John about

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Speaker 1: two off seasons or so till he established equilibrium. Now,

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Speaker 1: and I'm not bringing that up, but what I'm saying is,

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Speaker 1: if you notice some of the moves that he made,

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Speaker 1: he was sacrificing some veterans. I mean, even after he

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Speaker 1: stabilized the cap, he gave Josh Norman the franchise tag

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Speaker 1: and then he rescinded it. So the point I'm making

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Speaker 1: is this is not uncharted territory for Dave Gettleman. He's

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Speaker 1: been in similar circumstances before. We He's had to make

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Speaker 1: tough decisions about players that were brought into the organization

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Speaker 1: at a young age and developed into pro bowlers, like

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Speaker 1: a Josh Norman. But sometimes when you balance the money out,

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Speaker 1: it's very difficult to retain every book. There's a reason

446
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Speaker 1: they traded Jason Pierre Paul last year. It might hurt

447
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Speaker 1: you now, but you'll see the benefit later. And I

448
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Speaker 1: think this is and I said this yesterday, this is

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Speaker 1: a big see the forest from the trees type of move.

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Speaker 1: It's gonna might hurt your short term, it might get

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Speaker 1: you mad and upset short term, but two or three

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Speaker 1: years from now, it might be like, oh, well, now

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Speaker 1: I understand why he did it. And I think that's

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Speaker 1: what you have to look at when you break down

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Speaker 1: a move like this. All right, three, you want to

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Speaker 1: stand on landing Collins, Matt, Let's go to line too

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Speaker 1: and go to Freddie because he wants to talk landing

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Speaker 1: before we get to some of the other topics. Freddie,

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Speaker 1: what's up, Hey John? Thanks, Hey Land, thanks for taking

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Speaker 1: my car. I appreciate it. Thanks. I'm a huge Land

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Speaker 1: of the Collins guy. But I totally get why they

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Speaker 1: didn't bring them back. And I'm okay with it because,

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Speaker 1: like you said to three years from um down the road,

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Speaker 1: we're gonna see hopefully it was the right move. But um,

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Speaker 1: I want a ball Hawk safety. Um we haven't had

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Speaker 1: that since probably Yeah, I mean Stevie Brown had one year,

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Speaker 1: but yeah, I would say at Rolls is probably where

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Speaker 1: you would go for that, Okay, And that's why I'm

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Speaker 1: pushing for them to sign a Honey Badger because he

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Speaker 1: can be our role. He can play safety or if

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Speaker 1: we need him to play in the scot he can

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Speaker 1: play in this. I remember the one thing about the

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Speaker 1: one thing about the Honey Badger. He's not a single

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Speaker 1: high deep safety. He's a guy that's gonna be able

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Speaker 1: to play. He actually plays closer to the line of

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Speaker 1: scrimmage if you watch him on tape. But he plays

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Speaker 1: a lot of man to man defense close to the

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Speaker 1: line of scrimmage. So like Roll did at times here,

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Speaker 1: he'll cover one on one out of the slot, whether

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Speaker 1: it's tight ends or receivers, and they'll use him as

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Speaker 1: a cover guy. But from what I remembered watching him,

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Speaker 1: and I'm watching tape of Betcher's defense when he was

483
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Speaker 1: in Arizona, it was Antoine Biffet that was his single

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Speaker 1: high deep safety there, and Honey Badger was kind of

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Speaker 1: like that crossover coverage safety, corner hybrid player. So he

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Speaker 1: would play some of that control Roll deal, but you

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Speaker 1: would still have to get a single high safety to

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Speaker 1: compliment him if you know what I'm saying, Okay, exactly, Okay,

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Speaker 1: I got you. Thanks for breaking it down for Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I'm real fist. Also that that was crazy. I know

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Speaker 1: we'll never know what they had could have gotten from

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Speaker 1: Land and Uma here in your trade deadline, but that

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Speaker 1: was crazy though. How the Bleacher Report people ran with

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Speaker 1: that Bleacher Report yesterday saying that they turned down the

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Speaker 1: first round Roland Hard Yeah, and and Freddie thanks for

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Speaker 1: the call. I appreciate it. And Matt Miller, who's a

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Speaker 1: frequent guest with us, and I love Matt. He has

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Speaker 1: very good sources. I have no doubt one of his

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Speaker 1: sources told him that and that's why he reported. And

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Speaker 1: I'm sure the source is very trustworthy, but I find

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Speaker 1: that extremely hard to believe. Well, here's the other thing

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Speaker 1: that I want to say about that report. And I

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Speaker 1: did not listen to the podcast, so I'm talking a

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Speaker 1: little bit out of context, and I don't usually like

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Speaker 1: to do that because I do like to go back

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Speaker 1: and actually listen to what the host said. But I

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Speaker 1: did read the article and the gist of it, So

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Speaker 1: what I took away is he may have heard from

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Speaker 1: a source that a team was willing to give up

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Speaker 1: a first round pick. That doesn't mean that it was

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Speaker 1: formally presented to the Giants, and that doesn't mean that

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Speaker 1: the Giants technically turned it down. Those are two different.

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Speaker 1: And the way it was phrase to me, his source

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Speaker 1: wasn't the team that was offering the first round pick.

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Speaker 1: It was his source knew another team had. So you're

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Speaker 1: looking to the third person you're gonna telephone game. And

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Speaker 1: if I'm Matt, I report that too. You're getting it

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Speaker 1: from reliable source that you trust, your reported And that's great. Again,

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Speaker 1: he's a great draft guy and he knows a lot

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Speaker 1: of people in the league because of that. But I

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Speaker 1: would find it. Look, the Giants went and traded Snacks

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Speaker 1: Harrison for a five, alright, they trade Eli Apple for four?

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Speaker 1: Then you lend in Consiles hitting free agency. If they

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Speaker 1: had a team willing to give a first round pick

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Speaker 1: up for a guy that was going to be a

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Speaker 1: free agent the following off season, I don't see how

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Speaker 1: you say no to that, And I can't imagine the

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Speaker 1: Giants did if it was at all offered them to

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Speaker 1: begin with, which, again, like you said, who knows if

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Speaker 1: it was or not? And The other thing is for

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Speaker 1: a lot of people to think that the Giants weren't

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Speaker 1: planning ahead even around the trade deadline and knowing who

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Speaker 1: they likely want to give the tag to, who they

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Speaker 1: want to resign. Come on, so you were clearly active

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Speaker 1: in the trade dead line last two deals, so they

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Speaker 1: were already thinking into the off season and beyond. By

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Speaker 1: the way, quipdote on Tyron Matthew because the last Cohler

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Speaker 1: mentioned he wanted a safety ball hawk outside of two

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Speaker 1: thousand fifteen. By the way, and these numbers do fluctuate

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Speaker 1: when it comes to interceptions. He's had two or less

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Speaker 1: picks every single season in the league, with the exception

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Speaker 1: of fifteen when he had five and he made the

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Speaker 1: Pro Bowl that year. So since fifteen he's had two

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Speaker 1: or less. He had one in sixteen to a piece

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Speaker 1: in seventeen and eighteen, and he's played two straight seasons

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Speaker 1: with sixteen games. But he did have some injury issues

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Speaker 1: earlier in his career with his legs. Something to keep

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Speaker 1: in mind. One other thing, by the way, and Ernest

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Speaker 1: in Connecticut, Europe next, and I've seen a couple of

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Speaker 1: different people tweet this, so that that that covered the

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Speaker 1: team that you know, if you really want a player,

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Speaker 1: you can find the salary. You can find room in

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Speaker 1: the salary cap to make it happen. Absolutely true. You can.

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Speaker 1: You can structure the contract so that his base number

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Speaker 1: in year one is very low, and you backload the

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Speaker 1: contract and you set it up that way. All of

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00:26:17,520 --> 00:26:22,399
Speaker 1: that's true. However, eventually you have to pay the piper.

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00:26:24,320 --> 00:26:28,639
Speaker 1: Eventually the money does add up. Go ask um teams

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Speaker 1: that have to cut good players because the salary cap purposes.

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Speaker 1: Remember the Cowboys cut the Marcus ware and he goes

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Speaker 1: to the Broncos as sixteen sacks and wins the Super Bowl.

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Speaker 1: Do you think they wanted to cut the Marcus ware?

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Speaker 1: They had to because they restructure contracts so many times

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Speaker 1: and so much money got pushed down the line that

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Speaker 1: they eventually ran out of it. Now the Giants aren't

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Speaker 1: in a situation where that's close to happening. Kevin Abrams

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Speaker 1: is a great job managing the cab and make sure

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Speaker 1: they don't kick the can down the road. Something Dave geentleman,

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Speaker 1: instead of the combine he does not want to do

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Speaker 1: is kick the can down the road. And when you're

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Speaker 1: five and eleven, team kicking the can down the road

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00:27:01,800 --> 00:27:04,600
Speaker 1: is stupid. It's because you're not in the position to

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Speaker 1: win a super Bowl. It's not like the Philadelphia Eagles

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Speaker 1: were restructured in contracts. Well guess what they were in

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Speaker 1: the super Bowl last year, all right, and they made

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Speaker 1: the playoffs last season and want a playoff game. So

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00:27:13,760 --> 00:27:16,800
Speaker 1: just be careful when you talk about stuff like that. Yes,

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00:27:16,960 --> 00:27:18,720
Speaker 1: you can figure out a way to make anybody fit.

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Speaker 1: It works, but eventually, especially if you structure the contracts

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Speaker 1: a certain way, you do have to pay the piper

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Speaker 1: at some point. Well, and you're right about the Giants

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Speaker 1: doing a really good job fitting in the numbers. But

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Speaker 1: in fairness, I don't think we really need to stray

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Speaker 1: too far from the team because John what they did

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Speaker 1: in the two thousand sixteen offseason, you know, Dave Gettleman's

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00:27:36,520 --> 00:27:38,320
Speaker 1: now trying to reconfigure as great point. I mean, look,

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00:27:38,320 --> 00:27:40,919
Speaker 1: they had to trade Snacks and they had to accept

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00:27:41,000 --> 00:27:43,560
Speaker 1: dead money there, and when they traded JPP there was

589
00:27:43,600 --> 00:27:44,920
Speaker 1: a ton of dead money they did take on the

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Speaker 1: gap when they traded him, so and they had the

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Speaker 1: restructure Jenkins this past offseason. Two yeah, I mean, and

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00:27:50,480 --> 00:27:53,800
Speaker 1: those were guys that two years ago bringing in and

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00:27:54,440 --> 00:27:56,960
Speaker 1: initially good results. They made the playoffs at sixth team,

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Speaker 1: but since then, yeah, now all of a sudden, Dave

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00:27:59,359 --> 00:28:02,840
Speaker 1: Gettleman's trying to maneuver around it. So I really think

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00:28:02,880 --> 00:28:04,480
Speaker 1: you could look in the house for that is a

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00:28:04,520 --> 00:28:07,399
Speaker 1: perfect example for anybody that's you know, steering through that narrative.

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Speaker 1: Our buddy Ernest is in Connecticut. Earnest, what's going on? Pal?

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00:28:10,520 --> 00:28:13,159
Speaker 1: How are you? Oh? I'm hanging in there and you

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Speaker 1: I'm doing you no good. I'm just a little bit

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00:28:16,080 --> 00:28:20,680
Speaker 1: um confused with some of the moves that they're making. Now, Uh,

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00:28:22,080 --> 00:28:24,800
Speaker 1: Alex over Tree, I think that they should get rid

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Speaker 1: of him. If you can't tackle and it cannot um

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00:28:27,920 --> 00:28:34,399
Speaker 1: guarding anyone um they're making this defense. I don't think

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Speaker 1: they know what they're doing. Because you have two safeties,

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Speaker 1: Landon Collins and Riley. Neither one of those guys can

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00:28:42,200 --> 00:28:46,840
Speaker 1: guard nobody. Mann and Collins is a is a one

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00:28:47,040 --> 00:28:51,800
Speaker 1: dimensional player. So now you put Jenkins in there, who Now,

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00:28:52,400 --> 00:28:56,120
Speaker 1: now he's guarding the best defensive the best offensive player

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Speaker 1: of the other team. You put him on an island

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00:28:59,680 --> 00:29:02,800
Speaker 1: and then Money beats upone on him where he has

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00:29:02,880 --> 00:29:07,680
Speaker 1: no help in the secondary. Hold on. If you think

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00:29:07,760 --> 00:29:10,160
Speaker 1: Landon consoles with the one dimensional player, that wasn't that good.

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Speaker 1: Why are you confused why they didn't put the franchise

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Speaker 1: tag on him? No, No, I I don't. I didn't

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Speaker 1: think that they should put it on. I don't. I don't.

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Speaker 1: I didn't think I think it would It would have

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Speaker 1: been too much. Well, but you were confused her job.

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Speaker 1: We're not doing that. But what do you confused that

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00:29:25,440 --> 00:29:27,760
Speaker 1: you said you're confused about that direction of the defense.

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Speaker 1: Yet the players you're criticizing, they could very very very

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Speaker 1: well move on from them, so right, definitely, No, No, well,

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Speaker 1: I don't I don't think they should move on from Jenkins.

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Speaker 1: They went he's a very talented talent player Landon Collins.

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Speaker 1: I've felt that they should move on from them because

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Speaker 1: you cannot, because you cannot have people who can't guard

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00:29:49,120 --> 00:29:52,920
Speaker 1: nobody have overtry who cannot guard anyone. You have Collins

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00:29:53,120 --> 00:29:58,120
Speaker 1: cannot guard in anyone. You have to uh the other

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Speaker 1: safety who's he's not there. It's now you have three

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00:30:02,800 --> 00:30:07,160
Speaker 1: suspects people in the secondary who can guard uh people.

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Speaker 1: You have one who's played who plays good on the

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Speaker 1: on the line, but other than that, but Ernest Collins

633
00:30:14,040 --> 00:30:16,640
Speaker 1: and Riley are unrestricted free agents, so if they're not

634
00:30:16,760 --> 00:30:18,920
Speaker 1: brought back, then the Giants are gonna replace them with

635
00:30:19,040 --> 00:30:22,280
Speaker 1: new personnel. So the bottom line is they're going in

636
00:30:22,320 --> 00:30:26,360
Speaker 1: a different direction from what you're saying. Let's make you happy. Yeah, yeah, yeah,

637
00:30:26,840 --> 00:30:29,240
Speaker 1: right right that is. But but then when they got

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Speaker 1: rid of rid Of Snack Harrison, I think that that

639
00:30:32,600 --> 00:30:35,120
Speaker 1: was one of the worst moment they made because now

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Speaker 1: you have people who you know who cannot guard no one.

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Speaker 1: You have, Um, well, how does Snacks? Wait, wait a minute,

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Speaker 1: Snacks is not a safety. Snacks is not a linebacker.

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Speaker 1: You've got David Tomlinson and b J. Hale. So they're

644
00:30:47,720 --> 00:30:50,719
Speaker 1: going in a younger direction. They're continuing to develop them

645
00:30:50,800 --> 00:30:53,040
Speaker 1: and those guys are run stoppers. So what does that

646
00:30:53,120 --> 00:30:56,280
Speaker 1: have to do with defending a guy down in coverage? Well, well,

647
00:30:56,360 --> 00:30:58,719
Speaker 1: you know, because the more pressure that you can put

648
00:30:58,760 --> 00:31:04,800
Speaker 1: on the quarterback, the better chance. And Snacks Snacks, Snacks

649
00:31:04,880 --> 00:31:06,640
Speaker 1: was taken off the field more often than not on

650
00:31:06,720 --> 00:31:09,080
Speaker 1: third down passing situations. That b J. Hill is coming

651
00:31:09,080 --> 00:31:11,920
Speaker 1: off a year where he had five and a half sacks. Yeah,

652
00:31:12,040 --> 00:31:15,920
Speaker 1: but but that was a Snack Snacks. Snacks wanted to

653
00:31:15,960 --> 00:31:17,800
Speaker 1: stay on the field. Yeah, but he's not a good passing.

654
00:31:18,320 --> 00:31:20,720
Speaker 1: But it was it was the coaching it was the

655
00:31:20,920 --> 00:31:23,840
Speaker 1: coaching staff. He made the decision to pull him back.

656
00:31:23,920 --> 00:31:29,920
Speaker 1: You have Earnest, Earnest, Earnest, what has has been hurt

657
00:31:30,600 --> 00:31:33,920
Speaker 1: since they took him? Took him out? So now you

658
00:31:34,040 --> 00:31:37,239
Speaker 1: had the running game that is that is such uh

659
00:31:37,480 --> 00:31:41,320
Speaker 1: such suspect you take this guy away. Alex over Tree

660
00:31:41,400 --> 00:31:43,120
Speaker 1: is still on the team. They should get rid of him.

661
00:31:43,760 --> 00:31:47,320
Speaker 1: He cannot guard, cannot cackle cam do Okay, so artist, artist,

662
00:31:47,360 --> 00:31:50,240
Speaker 1: real quick, I've I've a very simple question for you. Okay,

663
00:31:51,520 --> 00:31:53,360
Speaker 1: I know, I know what you wanna do with Ogil Tree?

664
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Speaker 1: What else? Now? Without looking backwards, I want you to

665
00:31:56,280 --> 00:31:59,040
Speaker 1: look forward now, what would you like the giants to

666
00:31:59,120 --> 00:32:02,520
Speaker 1: do on d ends aside from letting go of alec

667
00:32:02,600 --> 00:32:04,760
Speaker 1: Ogletree to get them to where you want to go?

668
00:32:04,920 --> 00:32:07,640
Speaker 1: What do you want them to do? Okay, I would

669
00:32:07,680 --> 00:32:11,600
Speaker 1: like them to get if they if they could, they could,

670
00:32:11,640 --> 00:32:15,600
Speaker 1: like you saying saying thing earlier, we have a friendly

671
00:32:15,720 --> 00:32:19,880
Speaker 1: free safety cregy and your name some of the some

672
00:32:20,040 --> 00:32:23,200
Speaker 1: of the people, Earl Thomas, some of these guys see

673
00:32:23,280 --> 00:32:25,920
Speaker 1: if if you can get a discount with them all

674
00:32:26,000 --> 00:32:30,960
Speaker 1: Thomas Artist Thomas has said no, no, no, don't hold on.

675
00:32:31,080 --> 00:32:33,120
Speaker 1: Earl Thomas has said that he wants to be the

676
00:32:33,200 --> 00:32:35,760
Speaker 1: highest paid safety in football. So he's not giving you

677
00:32:35,800 --> 00:32:39,600
Speaker 1: a discount. Well, then we can't afford him. But but

678
00:32:39,720 --> 00:32:45,080
Speaker 1: then we can go to to Chicago bear safety a discount.

679
00:32:45,640 --> 00:32:48,400
Speaker 1: Tell you that Amos is coming off a career year.

680
00:32:48,720 --> 00:32:51,600
Speaker 1: He's looking to get paid. Everybody's looking appreciate and appreciate

681
00:32:51,680 --> 00:32:53,640
Speaker 1: the free I mean, and here's the other thing that

682
00:32:53,680 --> 00:32:54,840
Speaker 1: I want to throw out, by the way, and by

683
00:32:54,880 --> 00:32:56,239
Speaker 1: the way, and that doesn't mean Amos is gonna get

684
00:32:56,240 --> 00:32:58,240
Speaker 1: twelvellion dollars a year. He's a strong safety. He's not

685
00:32:58,280 --> 00:33:00,160
Speaker 1: a free safety. Eddie Jackson was there free at the

686
00:33:00,240 --> 00:33:02,920
Speaker 1: first of all. Amos plays the same position Landon Collins did.

687
00:33:03,160 --> 00:33:06,000
Speaker 1: He would be the replacement for Collins, just so people

688
00:33:06,080 --> 00:33:08,080
Speaker 1: understand that as a great player, and I think the

689
00:33:08,160 --> 00:33:10,280
Speaker 1: Giant Trick consider him. But and I think he'll probably

690
00:33:10,320 --> 00:33:12,640
Speaker 1: be cost less than what Landon Collins franchise tag would

691
00:33:12,640 --> 00:33:14,840
Speaker 1: be too. But that doesn't mean that he's just gonna say, hey,

692
00:33:14,960 --> 00:33:18,040
Speaker 1: you know, pay me three bucks. That's the point. But

693
00:33:18,120 --> 00:33:19,720
Speaker 1: he can get hold hang out with Paul the Tino.

694
00:33:19,760 --> 00:33:22,200
Speaker 1: If he comes here, that would be great because clearly

695
00:33:22,520 --> 00:33:25,280
Speaker 1: the Giants moves are all for the sake of pleasing Paul.

696
00:33:25,320 --> 00:33:31,280
Speaker 1: But on more serious notes, when he leads everybody what

697
00:33:31,720 --> 00:33:34,760
Speaker 1: Ernest was saying, I couldpletely disagree, because he was making

698
00:33:34,840 --> 00:33:37,600
Speaker 1: the claim that once Snacks left, the Giants had run

699
00:33:38,040 --> 00:33:41,120
Speaker 1: stopping issues. First of all, Ernest two thousand seventeen, and

700
00:33:41,160 --> 00:33:43,320
Speaker 1: I brought the numbers back up. Snacks was here for

701
00:33:43,400 --> 00:33:45,920
Speaker 1: the entire year, John. They were twenty seven against the

702
00:33:46,000 --> 00:33:50,880
Speaker 1: run with Snacks on the field. And I'm not blaming Snacks.

703
00:33:50,920 --> 00:33:52,720
Speaker 1: I don't want to hear people come back and me, oh, well,

704
00:33:52,840 --> 00:33:54,400
Speaker 1: you know it's a team thing. Yes, it is a

705
00:33:54,480 --> 00:33:56,720
Speaker 1: team thing. But Snatches on the field. There were twenty

706
00:33:56,800 --> 00:33:58,960
Speaker 1: seven against the run they finished in two thousand seventeen.

707
00:33:59,040 --> 00:34:01,200
Speaker 1: They get a hundred any one rushing yards per game.

708
00:34:01,360 --> 00:34:04,200
Speaker 1: So don't tell me the narrative that by removing Snacks

709
00:34:04,200 --> 00:34:06,800
Speaker 1: all of a sudden their rushing defense went down. It

710
00:34:06,920 --> 00:34:09,239
Speaker 1: was already heading in that direction even when him on

711
00:34:09,440 --> 00:34:12,880
Speaker 1: here in the team. And look they basically basically they

712
00:34:13,080 --> 00:34:16,000
Speaker 1: said after the Snacks Harrison trade that they wanted to

713
00:34:16,040 --> 00:34:18,920
Speaker 1: give Dalvin Thomas in to play his natural position of

714
00:34:19,000 --> 00:34:22,000
Speaker 1: those tackles. That's his natural position. B J. Hill's natural

715
00:34:22,040 --> 00:34:24,680
Speaker 1: position is three technique. They wanted those guys to be

716
00:34:24,760 --> 00:34:28,040
Speaker 1: in those spots moving forward. Do I think they're run

717
00:34:28,120 --> 00:34:31,359
Speaker 1: defense took a bit of a click down after the trade. Yeah,

718
00:34:31,440 --> 00:34:33,560
Speaker 1: but I think that's the linebacker positions as much as

719
00:34:33,600 --> 00:34:36,239
Speaker 1: has to do with the defensive tackle position too. And

720
00:34:37,280 --> 00:34:38,960
Speaker 1: and I think the ogul tree thing, I'm sure they'll

721
00:34:39,040 --> 00:34:41,880
Speaker 1: look at what is again I'll go back to my

722
00:34:41,960 --> 00:34:48,640
Speaker 1: points per dollar, but points or i'm sorry, production production

723
00:34:48,760 --> 00:34:51,080
Speaker 1: per dollar. And I'm sure they'll look at that with

724
00:34:51,239 --> 00:34:53,000
Speaker 1: every player on the roster and decide what are we

725
00:34:53,200 --> 00:34:56,160
Speaker 1: getting the amount of production out of this player necessary

726
00:34:56,560 --> 00:34:58,040
Speaker 1: to pay them what we're paying them, and then they'll

727
00:34:58,040 --> 00:35:00,400
Speaker 1: make those decisions as they come. I would go with

728
00:35:00,520 --> 00:35:02,600
Speaker 1: bang for the buck. How about that. That's got some

729
00:35:02,680 --> 00:35:05,880
Speaker 1: alliteration now, but that's basically what you're hitting on exactly.

730
00:35:06,160 --> 00:35:11,440
Speaker 1: It's a more you know, scientific analytical way of saying

731
00:35:13,040 --> 00:35:17,040
Speaker 1: that's exactly what it is. I like to sound sophisticated, Well,

732
00:35:17,239 --> 00:35:20,520
Speaker 1: you more like this. It's very different school of philosophy,

733
00:35:20,560 --> 00:35:22,960
Speaker 1: as I like to say those baseball nuts that get

734
00:35:23,040 --> 00:35:25,040
Speaker 1: bottled down with the numbers, So that would be in

735
00:35:25,120 --> 00:35:27,800
Speaker 1: line with that. But yeah, point well taken. You always

736
00:35:27,840 --> 00:35:29,720
Speaker 1: need to look at if I lock up this amount

737
00:35:29,760 --> 00:35:31,560
Speaker 1: of money with this one position, is he gonna do

738
00:35:31,800 --> 00:35:35,279
Speaker 1: enough john for the entire facet of that team that

739
00:35:35,560 --> 00:35:38,200
Speaker 1: it's worth putting all of that investment in there. Or

740
00:35:38,400 --> 00:35:41,279
Speaker 1: if I take that eleven twelve million dollars and I

741
00:35:41,360 --> 00:35:45,840
Speaker 1: get myself to safeties and I draft somebody, am I

742
00:35:46,080 --> 00:35:49,560
Speaker 1: maximizing my salary capt better? That's really what it comes

743
00:35:49,560 --> 00:35:51,120
Speaker 1: down to. And I said this in the last I'll

744
00:35:51,160 --> 00:35:54,080
Speaker 1: say it again. The way I look at NFL teams

745
00:35:54,320 --> 00:35:58,360
Speaker 1: is you have assets. Right. There are three ways that

746
00:35:58,600 --> 00:36:02,279
Speaker 1: teams can acquire additional talent and players to make their

747
00:36:02,320 --> 00:36:04,560
Speaker 1: team better. All Right, The three types of assets are

748
00:36:04,560 --> 00:36:07,800
Speaker 1: as follows. You have salary cap space, you have draft picks,

749
00:36:08,120 --> 00:36:10,200
Speaker 1: and you have players on your roster to make trades.

750
00:36:10,480 --> 00:36:13,640
Speaker 1: Those are the three ways you acquire additional talent in

751
00:36:13,719 --> 00:36:17,000
Speaker 1: the National Football League. The general manager's job is to

752
00:36:17,160 --> 00:36:20,959
Speaker 1: manage those three sets of assets to get the most

753
00:36:21,080 --> 00:36:24,040
Speaker 1: out of them as possible. Are you getting the best

754
00:36:24,080 --> 00:36:27,760
Speaker 1: bang for your buck production per dollar from the players

755
00:36:27,840 --> 00:36:30,600
Speaker 1: on your roster, the guys that you're signing in free agency,

756
00:36:30,920 --> 00:36:33,880
Speaker 1: same deal. When you're drafting, you want to maximize the

757
00:36:34,040 --> 00:36:37,759
Speaker 1: value you obtain with each selection. That's how you build

758
00:36:37,800 --> 00:36:40,040
Speaker 1: a football team, and that's what Dave Gentleman is trying

759
00:36:40,080 --> 00:36:43,000
Speaker 1: to do. Moving forward to four or five on three,

760
00:36:43,080 --> 00:36:46,920
Speaker 1: Joean Pennsylvania has been holding the long guest age. Joe, Hey, Hi, guys,

761
00:36:47,160 --> 00:36:50,239
Speaker 1: what's up? First? First, I want to say it's tough

762
00:36:50,360 --> 00:36:53,759
Speaker 1: times because it hurts me lose and these players. It

763
00:36:53,880 --> 00:36:56,320
Speaker 1: has to hurt use guys more. You know him personally,

764
00:36:56,360 --> 00:36:59,000
Speaker 1: am correct? Hey, Look, Landon was a good player. He

765
00:36:59,120 --> 00:37:00,759
Speaker 1: was a go to guy for us. He was very

766
00:37:00,840 --> 00:37:03,799
Speaker 1: good to deal with um and frankly, he's just he's

767
00:37:03,840 --> 00:37:05,279
Speaker 1: the guy that loves football and you'd like to be

768
00:37:05,360 --> 00:37:07,040
Speaker 1: around them, and and it is it is tough to

769
00:37:07,040 --> 00:37:09,840
Speaker 1: see guys like that go, No question, I understand it.

770
00:37:09,920 --> 00:37:12,640
Speaker 1: But I'm just trying to uh that. But I wanna

771
00:37:13,200 --> 00:37:16,360
Speaker 1: understand what they're doing here now. You you were talking

772
00:37:16,400 --> 00:37:19,359
Speaker 1: about the Eagles though they can resign. I know all

773
00:37:19,400 --> 00:37:22,680
Speaker 1: about the Eagles. Uh, they are not rebuilding like you said.

774
00:37:23,080 --> 00:37:25,600
Speaker 1: But you said, well, maybe we are rebuilding. But the

775
00:37:25,719 --> 00:37:28,600
Speaker 1: main reason the Eagles can sign these players should I

776
00:37:28,680 --> 00:37:33,440
Speaker 1: tell you why, You're gonna say a rookie quarterback. That's right,

777
00:37:33,680 --> 00:37:39,480
Speaker 1: and they're also but they were paying now because they

778
00:37:39,520 --> 00:37:42,319
Speaker 1: couldn't pay him now. But Joe, they they did pay

779
00:37:42,440 --> 00:37:45,040
Speaker 1: Nick Foles last year. This year they won't pay. Yeah,

780
00:37:45,120 --> 00:37:48,160
Speaker 1: but it was only minimum and they weren't paying the

781
00:37:48,239 --> 00:37:56,319
Speaker 1: rookie quarterback. So that's why I don't care. I want

782
00:37:56,320 --> 00:37:59,080
Speaker 1: to see Eagles lose. They hurt me every year. I'm

783
00:37:59,120 --> 00:38:01,480
Speaker 1: trying to look at are we doing better or not?

784
00:38:01,920 --> 00:38:06,520
Speaker 1: Because I looked back what we had mcadooke correct In

785
00:38:06,600 --> 00:38:09,160
Speaker 1: his first year, he was eleven and six with the

786
00:38:09,239 --> 00:38:14,200
Speaker 1: playoff line correct, and then we went thirteen and three.

787
00:38:14,320 --> 00:38:17,600
Speaker 1: I guess yes, they got rid of them. And my

788
00:38:17,760 --> 00:38:20,120
Speaker 1: main reason they got rid of them him and Restint

789
00:38:20,160 --> 00:38:23,320
Speaker 1: though really anything bad. It's just that the offensive line

790
00:38:23,400 --> 00:38:26,520
Speaker 1: did work out well, and that was charging who was

791
00:38:26,560 --> 00:38:30,279
Speaker 1: in charge of building the offensive line. I understand they tried.

792
00:38:30,400 --> 00:38:33,760
Speaker 1: What the players didn't work out correct, they would have scored.

793
00:38:33,960 --> 00:38:37,160
Speaker 1: We would have been in there correct if Flowers and

794
00:38:37,719 --> 00:38:40,200
Speaker 1: forget the other three guys we left. Go yes, Joe

795
00:38:40,280 --> 00:38:42,080
Speaker 1: it is. It is fair to say if they had

796
00:38:42,160 --> 00:38:44,279
Speaker 1: much better players on the roster, there's a chance that

797
00:38:44,360 --> 00:38:48,239
Speaker 1: they could have succeeded. Yes, but that's the time he

798
00:38:48,400 --> 00:38:51,400
Speaker 1: went and and and not be able to handle the players,

799
00:38:51,520 --> 00:38:55,560
Speaker 1: and that's after two years. Well that correct. Well, I

800
00:38:55,640 --> 00:38:58,759
Speaker 1: mean the locker room issues are a different conversation, and

801
00:38:58,840 --> 00:39:01,879
Speaker 1: I think ultimately that that part of it. Of course,

802
00:39:01,920 --> 00:39:06,080
Speaker 1: it was okay, okay, I'm just saying now now, we

803
00:39:06,200 --> 00:39:08,799
Speaker 1: don't think we're gonna have any locker room problems now

804
00:39:08,960 --> 00:39:11,279
Speaker 1: because we have missed the gentleman and that they want

805
00:39:11,320 --> 00:39:14,279
Speaker 1: star players in there. Now. We didn't sign Landing back

806
00:39:14,760 --> 00:39:17,000
Speaker 1: because okay, you can say, maybe you can get two

807
00:39:17,080 --> 00:39:19,560
Speaker 1: safeties and stuff for his money, but how do you

808
00:39:19,680 --> 00:39:22,480
Speaker 1: put a price. You don't put a price on his leadership.

809
00:39:22,880 --> 00:39:25,560
Speaker 1: He put his body out there on the line and

810
00:39:25,719 --> 00:39:29,080
Speaker 1: he did. You can't say that he was a leader

811
00:39:29,120 --> 00:39:31,400
Speaker 1: on there. And if I'm on the defense saying, well,

812
00:39:31,440 --> 00:39:33,719
Speaker 1: if you're getting rid of him, you know what I mean,

813
00:39:33,800 --> 00:39:36,000
Speaker 1: the star player or a young guy. That's what burns

814
00:39:36,080 --> 00:39:38,759
Speaker 1: me when you get rid of young guys like that.

815
00:39:39,160 --> 00:39:41,120
Speaker 1: We did get a lot of a lot of good

816
00:39:41,239 --> 00:39:44,319
Speaker 1: young defense. We had a good defense, And I said,

817
00:39:44,360 --> 00:39:46,960
Speaker 1: our offensive line it work out, and that put us

818
00:39:47,440 --> 00:39:50,640
Speaker 1: that put back and doing m guys out them out

819
00:39:50,680 --> 00:39:57,160
Speaker 1: there to draw the defense in two thousand seventeen, I understand,

820
00:39:57,280 --> 00:40:06,240
Speaker 1: but that was partially due to the offense, which I'm rebuilding. Tool.

821
00:40:06,920 --> 00:40:10,880
Speaker 1: Stop it with the rebuild, Joe. The roster turnover in

822
00:40:10,920 --> 00:40:14,080
Speaker 1: the National Football League is unlike any other professional league.

823
00:40:14,080 --> 00:40:16,759
Speaker 1: If you compare it to a baseball roster and NBA roster,

824
00:40:16,840 --> 00:40:19,720
Speaker 1: there are ten times more changes on an NFL roster.

825
00:40:20,440 --> 00:40:24,719
Speaker 1: You don't bring back three guys every single year. Really

826
00:40:24,880 --> 00:40:28,239
Speaker 1: good players go, is what one I'm saying. And I'm

827
00:40:28,320 --> 00:40:30,719
Speaker 1: not sure if we're getting better or not with with

828
00:40:30,840 --> 00:40:33,920
Speaker 1: our defense when we leave these key players go and

829
00:40:34,040 --> 00:40:37,080
Speaker 1: we get a fourth and fifth and they were second

830
00:40:37,200 --> 00:40:40,279
Speaker 1: round pick in the first round pick. Stuff like that.

831
00:40:40,480 --> 00:40:44,160
Speaker 1: That burns menas wasn't the first pick and they got

832
00:40:44,280 --> 00:40:46,480
Speaker 1: rid of him. I mean, I don't understand the equivalency.

833
00:40:46,520 --> 00:40:48,799
Speaker 1: They traded Snacks, who was an undrafted free agent when

834
00:40:48,840 --> 00:40:51,319
Speaker 1: he joined the Jets and they got a fifth round here,

835
00:40:51,320 --> 00:40:52,840
Speaker 1: What does that have anything to do with the equivalent.

836
00:40:54,160 --> 00:40:56,560
Speaker 1: I just want to understand here, because I don't understand

837
00:40:56,640 --> 00:41:00,400
Speaker 1: how they give third round picks for everybody. Maybe we

838
00:41:00,400 --> 00:41:03,000
Speaker 1: should watch who we signed, so would we get their

839
00:41:03,160 --> 00:41:05,799
Speaker 1: round picks for these guys if we leave Vernon go now,

840
00:41:06,200 --> 00:41:08,680
Speaker 1: and if we don't sign somebody's equivalent, are we going

841
00:41:08,760 --> 00:41:12,120
Speaker 1: to get their round pick for nothing? Let me answer,

842
00:41:12,239 --> 00:41:15,880
Speaker 1: Joe um Vernon. If you cut a player, they do

843
00:41:16,000 --> 00:41:19,680
Speaker 1: not go into the compensatory pick formula. If Landon Collins

844
00:41:19,760 --> 00:41:23,520
Speaker 1: signs somewhere else and the Giants do not sign a

845
00:41:24,600 --> 00:41:27,320
Speaker 1: of similar free agent from somewhere else in terms of

846
00:41:27,400 --> 00:41:31,279
Speaker 1: volume of free agents, excuse me, they could get a

847
00:41:31,360 --> 00:41:34,280
Speaker 1: third round compensatory pick. Absolutely, But the reason the Patriots

848
00:41:34,320 --> 00:41:37,279
Speaker 1: consistently get compensatory picks, do you know why they never

849
00:41:37,400 --> 00:41:40,880
Speaker 1: sign anybody in free agency? Well? I don't know that.

850
00:41:41,000 --> 00:41:44,040
Speaker 1: Maybe we should look and go on with that too. Here.

851
00:41:44,320 --> 00:41:47,600
Speaker 1: That's what I'm been on here to always. Key players

852
00:41:47,680 --> 00:41:50,480
Speaker 1: were going here because we got little landing columns. To me,

853
00:41:50,600 --> 00:41:52,920
Speaker 1: he was a leader on the defense. I don't care

854
00:41:53,040 --> 00:41:56,480
Speaker 1: Jason Pire Pierre Paul wants too. He was hurt badly.

855
00:41:56,640 --> 00:41:59,040
Speaker 1: I understand the money part there and it didn't work

856
00:41:59,080 --> 00:42:01,480
Speaker 1: out with the offense. But if we're getting this now,

857
00:42:01,920 --> 00:42:04,080
Speaker 1: I really and I love Eli, but I have to

858
00:42:04,160 --> 00:42:06,479
Speaker 1: look and see are we gonna pay him again? Let's

859
00:42:06,719 --> 00:42:09,040
Speaker 1: let's we're gonna get a rookie at him the follow in.

860
00:42:09,440 --> 00:42:11,560
Speaker 1: You know what I mean, are we rebuilding if we

861
00:42:11,680 --> 00:42:14,360
Speaker 1: get rid of these players, Well, let's let's all clash

862
00:42:14,440 --> 00:42:20,440
Speaker 1: it in like the Sixers did. And yeah, basketball, we

863
00:42:20,600 --> 00:42:25,120
Speaker 1: get let all these Let we appreciate, but you're going

864
00:42:25,640 --> 00:42:27,920
Speaker 1: you're going completely off the deep end, Joe and appreciate.

865
00:42:28,200 --> 00:42:30,760
Speaker 1: And again, if you cut Damon Harrison or Eli Apple,

866
00:42:30,880 --> 00:42:34,960
Speaker 1: they do not head into the compensatory pick formula. They're

867
00:42:35,000 --> 00:42:37,600
Speaker 1: not free agents. If you cut a player, it doesn't

868
00:42:37,640 --> 00:42:41,640
Speaker 1: go into the formula. Justin Pugh Weston Richburg went into

869
00:42:41,680 --> 00:42:44,000
Speaker 1: the formula. They were free agents that were let go

870
00:42:44,160 --> 00:42:46,520
Speaker 1: and then it gets offset by the players that come

871
00:42:46,560 --> 00:42:49,440
Speaker 1: in and signed with the Giants. So all the speculation

872
00:42:49,440 --> 00:42:51,799
Speaker 1: about what the Giants could potentially get with a competitory

873
00:42:51,840 --> 00:42:54,279
Speaker 1: pick for Landon Collins will be dependent on what the

874
00:42:54,360 --> 00:42:57,560
Speaker 1: Giants do in free agency. Just like you can't buy

875
00:42:57,600 --> 00:42:59,000
Speaker 1: the way later and get ahead of that, We're not

876
00:42:59,000 --> 00:43:01,160
Speaker 1: eve gonna know right away either. You're not gonna know

877
00:43:01,239 --> 00:43:02,920
Speaker 1: until the next year because you have to see how

878
00:43:03,000 --> 00:43:05,400
Speaker 1: these players perform for the teams that they go to.

879
00:43:05,480 --> 00:43:08,239
Speaker 1: Exactly are they a pro bowler? Did they reach incentives

880
00:43:08,320 --> 00:43:10,640
Speaker 1: this in that? And it's really a formula, to be honest,

881
00:43:10,800 --> 00:43:13,400
Speaker 1: is not known by anybody. Anybody who tells you they

882
00:43:13,440 --> 00:43:15,399
Speaker 1: know the formulas and know what they're talking about, unless

883
00:43:15,480 --> 00:43:18,880
Speaker 1: they're the individual that's actually calculating it. People speculate on

884
00:43:19,040 --> 00:43:21,600
Speaker 1: what is put into the formula, but nobody knows. So

885
00:43:22,320 --> 00:43:25,319
Speaker 1: the Giants have no idea what they could potentially get

886
00:43:25,400 --> 00:43:29,400
Speaker 1: back for Landon Collins. But this whole tanking philosophy that

887
00:43:29,560 --> 00:43:31,440
Speaker 1: Joe was alluding to it the tail and like the

888
00:43:31,520 --> 00:43:33,920
Speaker 1: six is, it's not how the NFL works. Okay, As

889
00:43:33,960 --> 00:43:37,880
Speaker 1: I mentioned, there's so much change at turnover with NFL rosters.

890
00:43:38,080 --> 00:43:39,919
Speaker 1: Why do you think teams can easily go from last

891
00:43:40,000 --> 00:43:42,359
Speaker 1: to first in the NFL unlike any other professional league?

892
00:43:42,560 --> 00:43:44,759
Speaker 1: Because it's rare, once again that you're bringing back the

893
00:43:44,840 --> 00:43:47,400
Speaker 1: bulk of your roster. You're gonna have anywhere from at

894
00:43:47,520 --> 00:43:50,680
Speaker 1: least twenty guys that are gonna easily change on your

895
00:43:50,760 --> 00:43:52,720
Speaker 1: roster every single year. You're gonna see it with the Giants.

896
00:43:52,800 --> 00:43:55,520
Speaker 1: I mean, if you think the turnover was bad from

897
00:43:55,600 --> 00:43:58,319
Speaker 1: what Gentleman is doing in terms of really revamping the roster.

898
00:43:58,360 --> 00:44:01,000
Speaker 1: I may just see what's gonna take place between eighteen

899
00:44:01,400 --> 00:44:03,839
Speaker 1: and nineteen. There's gonna be once again, John, it's gonna

900
00:44:03,840 --> 00:44:05,560
Speaker 1: be turnover. He's gonna bring in new free agents. It's

901
00:44:05,600 --> 00:44:08,040
Speaker 1: gonna be rookies. Not everybody makes the team that made

902
00:44:08,080 --> 00:44:10,200
Speaker 1: the team last year. So there is no such thing

903
00:44:10,239 --> 00:44:13,320
Speaker 1: as tanking. It's not a philosophy that adds up. And

904
00:44:13,360 --> 00:44:15,000
Speaker 1: the other thing that I wanted to throw out, you know,

905
00:44:15,120 --> 00:44:17,000
Speaker 1: Joe pointing out the evening And by the way, ownership

906
00:44:17,120 --> 00:44:19,759
Speaker 1: is said a million times that that will not ever

907
00:44:19,840 --> 00:44:22,000
Speaker 1: happen here. Where you give up on a season, you

908
00:44:22,040 --> 00:44:24,160
Speaker 1: don't try to be competitive, that's never gonna happen here.

909
00:44:24,320 --> 00:44:25,840
Speaker 1: John Mara has said it, So get it out of

910
00:44:25,880 --> 00:44:28,160
Speaker 1: your heads, folks, It's not gonna happen. And Dave Gentleman

911
00:44:28,239 --> 00:44:31,400
Speaker 1: was asked about it at the Common and he literally

912
00:44:31,480 --> 00:44:33,239
Speaker 1: brought up the seventies sections as I've you seen have

913
00:44:33,320 --> 00:44:35,520
Speaker 1: you seen them in a championship? So you tell me

914
00:44:35,600 --> 00:44:38,480
Speaker 1: when this has ever worked before. So, guys, it's not happening.

915
00:44:38,680 --> 00:44:40,759
Speaker 1: So you can call up and say they should do it,

916
00:44:41,120 --> 00:44:43,440
Speaker 1: And our answer is gonna be. Ownership doesn't want it,

917
00:44:43,480 --> 00:44:45,319
Speaker 1: the GM doesn't want it. You know what that means.

918
00:44:45,640 --> 00:44:47,680
Speaker 1: It didn't happen. Now go ahead, I'm so well. No.

919
00:44:47,760 --> 00:44:49,239
Speaker 1: The other example that I was gonna bring up, he

920
00:44:49,320 --> 00:44:52,080
Speaker 1: brought up the Eagles having a rookie quarterback or a

921
00:44:52,200 --> 00:44:54,920
Speaker 1: quarterback on a rookie deal. I should say that's more

922
00:44:55,040 --> 00:44:56,360
Speaker 1: specific by the way I looked it up. Do you

923
00:44:56,360 --> 00:44:58,160
Speaker 1: want to know what their combined cap number was last year?

924
00:44:58,200 --> 00:45:00,520
Speaker 1: Falls and Wentz Fols was making good mone So he

925
00:45:00,680 --> 00:45:02,279
Speaker 1: was to me, he was off base with what he

926
00:45:02,360 --> 00:45:04,880
Speaker 1: said about Folds on a minor deal. They combined to

927
00:45:05,400 --> 00:45:08,799
Speaker 1: their combined cap number last year one million dollars, two

928
00:45:08,840 --> 00:45:12,200
Speaker 1: million less than any lie. So well, because they went

929
00:45:12,320 --> 00:45:15,000
Speaker 1: to they went to Folds after he won the Super Bowl,

930
00:45:15,040 --> 00:45:17,120
Speaker 1: and they said, what can we do to make sure

931
00:45:17,440 --> 00:45:19,520
Speaker 1: we don't lose you? So they gave him a rework

932
00:45:19,600 --> 00:45:22,359
Speaker 1: deal and they gave him incentives. For everybody to think

933
00:45:22,440 --> 00:45:24,480
Speaker 1: that they just had Carson Wentz and he was making

934
00:45:24,520 --> 00:45:28,080
Speaker 1: peanuts and everybody else was making what they needed to.

935
00:45:28,200 --> 00:45:31,839
Speaker 1: Carson won seven point three, Nick Foles thirteen point six.

936
00:45:32,200 --> 00:45:34,759
Speaker 1: So once again, you do the math, you appeal back

937
00:45:34,800 --> 00:45:38,000
Speaker 1: the layers from the narrative. It reveals something quite interesting.

938
00:45:38,040 --> 00:45:39,560
Speaker 1: The other example that I was going to bring up,

939
00:45:39,960 --> 00:45:42,640
Speaker 1: and it's not necessarily equivalent to Carson Wentz, but the

940
00:45:42,719 --> 00:45:45,719
Speaker 1: Saints have good money that they're paying Drew Brees, and

941
00:45:46,000 --> 00:45:48,439
Speaker 1: what they said is, and they've had major defensive issues

942
00:45:48,480 --> 00:45:50,480
Speaker 1: for years with Drew Brees, they said, we're gonna get younger,

943
00:45:50,719 --> 00:45:53,239
Speaker 1: We're gonna invest in the draft. So it can work

944
00:45:53,480 --> 00:45:56,440
Speaker 1: both ways. You can have a young quarterback and make

945
00:45:56,520 --> 00:45:58,800
Speaker 1: investments with polished defenders. But you can also get a

946
00:45:58,840 --> 00:46:01,440
Speaker 1: polished quarterback and you can invest in the draft with

947
00:46:01,520 --> 00:46:03,600
Speaker 1: your defense. And the Saints have done that and it's

948
00:46:03,600 --> 00:46:06,359
Speaker 1: worked for them the last few seasons. I was gonna

949
00:46:06,360 --> 00:46:08,960
Speaker 1: read some tweets, but now I don't want to. You

950
00:46:09,000 --> 00:46:11,160
Speaker 1: know what. The first tweet is at hashtag giants Chat,

951
00:46:11,200 --> 00:46:13,000
Speaker 1: a link to a story asking if the Giant should

952
00:46:13,040 --> 00:46:15,920
Speaker 1: bring back Dominic Rodgers. Commardi, guys, can we not get

953
00:46:16,000 --> 00:46:19,640
Speaker 1: in the time machine please? He retired last year? He

954
00:46:19,920 --> 00:46:23,560
Speaker 1: quitment season? Was that from Charlie? No, it's not, but

955
00:46:23,640 --> 00:46:31,799
Speaker 1: actually where that's from? But no, no, no, Elo underscore

956
00:46:31,840 --> 00:46:35,160
Speaker 1: Bajo must bring Jaman Brown back. I think that will

957
00:46:35,200 --> 00:46:39,040
Speaker 1: be in consideration, but again it depends on price. He

958
00:46:39,200 --> 00:46:40,839
Speaker 1: is not a Pro Bowl caliber player. If he wants

959
00:46:40,840 --> 00:46:42,759
Speaker 1: to get paid like one, he probably will not be here.

960
00:46:43,400 --> 00:46:46,640
Speaker 1: UM Mark in Chicago. UM, I like Landing, but in

961
00:46:46,760 --> 00:46:49,600
Speaker 1: my opinion, he was a great inbox and tackler, but

962
00:46:49,719 --> 00:46:52,600
Speaker 1: mediocre and coverage. Also did not have Pro Bowl caliber

963
00:46:52,640 --> 00:46:55,600
Speaker 1: performances in seventeen or eighteen. Uh those are based on

964
00:46:55,719 --> 00:46:59,520
Speaker 1: reputation from sixteen. Franchise taking my opinion overvalued his talent

965
00:46:59,560 --> 00:47:04,239
Speaker 1: Europe is I think his sixteen Defensive Player of the

966
00:47:04,320 --> 00:47:06,040
Speaker 1: Year season, when you look at his career at the

967
00:47:06,120 --> 00:47:08,160
Speaker 1: end of the day, will end up being an outlier. Yeah,

968
00:47:08,160 --> 00:47:10,279
Speaker 1: I would agree. I mean he did everything that year.

969
00:47:10,480 --> 00:47:13,759
Speaker 1: He returned touchdowns, he had interceptions, and he forced fumbles.

970
00:47:14,280 --> 00:47:18,680
Speaker 1: It was basically, you know what, it was Landed Collin's

971
00:47:18,760 --> 00:47:23,520
Speaker 1: performance to find what two thousand sixteen right there right?

972
00:47:23,960 --> 00:47:26,160
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm not trying to downgrade the two thousand

973
00:47:26,200 --> 00:47:28,800
Speaker 1: sixteen season, but I continue to claim that was not

974
00:47:28,960 --> 00:47:31,360
Speaker 1: a dominant eleven and five team. Listen, you are what

975
00:47:31,480 --> 00:47:33,680
Speaker 1: your record is is. Bill Parcel said, you can't take

976
00:47:33,719 --> 00:47:35,760
Speaker 1: that away from the Giants, but they were winning games

977
00:47:35,800 --> 00:47:37,560
Speaker 1: by their Chinny chin Chin. There were a lot of

978
00:47:37,640 --> 00:47:40,560
Speaker 1: close affairs that year. Let's not forget about that. And

979
00:47:40,640 --> 00:47:42,800
Speaker 1: I guess D R. C announces coming out of retirement.

980
00:47:42,840 --> 00:47:44,720
Speaker 1: So I said, that's why I did not know that question.

981
00:47:44,800 --> 00:47:46,400
Speaker 1: But I still would rather not get back in the time.

982
00:47:46,520 --> 00:47:47,840
Speaker 1: You remember when he said the LAS two years he

983
00:47:47,840 --> 00:47:49,800
Speaker 1: could even play every snap. He was coming off the

984
00:47:49,840 --> 00:47:52,480
Speaker 1: field all the time. What about the Packers playoff game

985
00:47:52,600 --> 00:47:55,560
Speaker 1: pass pass? I think the Giants want to go younger

986
00:47:55,719 --> 00:47:58,000
Speaker 1: A J. Marshall, do you think Eli Manning should restructure

987
00:47:58,000 --> 00:48:00,400
Speaker 1: his contract again? That's kicking the can down the road. Folks.

988
00:48:00,800 --> 00:48:02,960
Speaker 1: You don't ask you know if you're talking pay cut.

989
00:48:03,040 --> 00:48:04,920
Speaker 1: That's one thing I will never suggest the player takes

990
00:48:04,920 --> 00:48:07,160
Speaker 1: a pay cut by sign a contract. That is what

991
00:48:07,239 --> 00:48:10,120
Speaker 1: it is. UM, But restructure means again, you're moving his

992
00:48:10,160 --> 00:48:11,759
Speaker 1: cap number in the later years. I don't think that's

993
00:48:11,760 --> 00:48:14,800
Speaker 1: a smart move. UM Let's see what else do we

994
00:48:14,880 --> 00:48:16,600
Speaker 1: got here on hashtag Giants. I had a couple of

995
00:48:16,600 --> 00:48:18,080
Speaker 1: good ones yesterday. I want to make sure we get

996
00:48:18,160 --> 00:48:22,719
Speaker 1: to UM. Let's see talking about Trevor Lawrence and the

997
00:48:22,800 --> 00:48:24,480
Speaker 1: draft two years from now. I'm not going to do that.

998
00:48:26,000 --> 00:48:27,279
Speaker 1: I'll see what I was taking can pull up as

999
00:48:27,320 --> 00:48:29,200
Speaker 1: you go along. Let's go to another call. As I

1000
00:48:29,320 --> 00:48:32,200
Speaker 1: scan through some of your tweets, Bob and Parsippani has

1001
00:48:32,200 --> 00:48:36,200
Speaker 1: been holding Hello Bob, Hi, Good afternoon, guys. I want

1002
00:48:36,239 --> 00:48:38,719
Speaker 1: to talk about the Giants first round draft pick we

1003
00:48:39,000 --> 00:48:41,960
Speaker 1: call the right Place. I think the Giants should use

1004
00:48:42,000 --> 00:48:46,160
Speaker 1: that pick on a quarterback but not not named Murray

1005
00:48:46,320 --> 00:48:49,240
Speaker 1: or Haskins. I want him to take that pick, trade

1006
00:48:49,280 --> 00:48:51,920
Speaker 1: it with the Cardinals for Josh Rosen. And here's my

1007
00:48:52,040 --> 00:48:55,879
Speaker 1: reasons why I think he. I think Rosen would take

1008
00:48:55,920 --> 00:49:01,600
Speaker 1: care of our quarterback succession problems. I think he's high.

1009
00:49:01,680 --> 00:49:05,319
Speaker 1: He's rated higher than either Murray or Haskins. I think

1010
00:49:05,400 --> 00:49:08,400
Speaker 1: he's actually a younger version of Eli and he and

1011
00:49:08,480 --> 00:49:11,279
Speaker 1: he currently has a stronger and more accurate on than

1012
00:49:11,480 --> 00:49:15,640
Speaker 1: Eli has today. He already has a season. You know,

1013
00:49:15,719 --> 00:49:18,400
Speaker 1: he's broken in. And then there'sn't There's one other thing

1014
00:49:18,480 --> 00:49:22,560
Speaker 1: that should appeal to um Gettleman, and that is next

1015
00:49:22,680 --> 00:49:26,480
Speaker 1: year he will free up twenty million dollars in cap space.

1016
00:49:27,000 --> 00:49:29,839
Speaker 1: So for the six six pick in the draft, you're

1017
00:49:29,880 --> 00:49:32,560
Speaker 1: gonna get a quarterback and you'll get the equivalent of

1018
00:49:32,640 --> 00:49:35,920
Speaker 1: two Land and Collins is next year. Well, you know,

1019
00:49:36,600 --> 00:49:39,239
Speaker 1: I'm look. First of all, Peter King had in his

1020
00:49:39,480 --> 00:49:41,239
Speaker 1: report on Monday morning, and a couple of we have

1021
00:49:41,360 --> 00:49:44,160
Speaker 1: reported that the car those are not currently shopping Josh

1022
00:49:44,239 --> 00:49:47,160
Speaker 1: Rosen's that's number one. UM. If at some point that

1023
00:49:47,280 --> 00:49:51,160
Speaker 1: comes to pass, I do not believe you would have

1024
00:49:51,280 --> 00:49:52,880
Speaker 1: to give up the six pick in the draft in

1025
00:49:53,000 --> 00:49:54,600
Speaker 1: order to get that done. Nor do I think you

1026
00:49:54,640 --> 00:49:57,000
Speaker 1: should remember he was picked tent last year. Once a

1027
00:49:57,040 --> 00:49:59,319
Speaker 1: guy gets picked, he generally loses value of one less

1028
00:49:59,360 --> 00:50:01,239
Speaker 1: year of control on him. Granted you don't have to

1029
00:50:01,239 --> 00:50:03,480
Speaker 1: pay the Sony bonus, so you gain financially back in

1030
00:50:03,560 --> 00:50:08,160
Speaker 1: that situation. UM, I think a mid to late first

1031
00:50:08,280 --> 00:50:10,560
Speaker 1: round pick would get it done for a team. Maybe

1032
00:50:10,560 --> 00:50:12,320
Speaker 1: if the Redskins are looking to make a deal like that,

1033
00:50:12,760 --> 00:50:15,400
Speaker 1: or maybe a team like the Saints or the Chargers

1034
00:50:15,440 --> 00:50:17,439
Speaker 1: of the Patriots or the Steelers are looking for their

1035
00:50:17,760 --> 00:50:20,160
Speaker 1: next guy, that type of pick could get it done.

1036
00:50:20,200 --> 00:50:22,439
Speaker 1: So if you're the Giants, maybe you offer a couple

1037
00:50:22,480 --> 00:50:25,520
Speaker 1: of twos something like that in order to compete with

1038
00:50:25,560 --> 00:50:28,320
Speaker 1: an offer like that. UM. I think last year we

1039
00:50:28,440 --> 00:50:31,400
Speaker 1: talked about Josh Rosen a tum traditional back uh drop

1040
00:50:31,560 --> 00:50:34,960
Speaker 1: back past our pocket guy had some injury issues in college,

1041
00:50:35,000 --> 00:50:37,200
Speaker 1: but I think he showed last year he could take

1042
00:50:37,239 --> 00:50:39,759
Speaker 1: a beating behind that horrible carl those offensive line and

1043
00:50:40,480 --> 00:50:42,880
Speaker 1: get back and keep playing. Uh. There weren't any real

1044
00:50:42,960 --> 00:50:46,040
Speaker 1: personality issues there from what my understanding is, and maybe

1045
00:50:46,080 --> 00:50:49,480
Speaker 1: those issues were overblown. Um, if he does become available,

1046
00:50:50,000 --> 00:50:53,719
Speaker 1: knowing what Dave Gentleman said at the combine that he

1047
00:50:53,920 --> 00:50:57,279
Speaker 1: wants to find the next franchise quarterback, I'm sure they

1048
00:50:57,360 --> 00:50:59,000
Speaker 1: will take a look at it to see if it

1049
00:50:59,040 --> 00:51:01,320
Speaker 1: makes sense for the Giants, how interested they be in

1050
00:51:01,600 --> 00:51:04,640
Speaker 1: and what they'd be willing to offer. I don't know

1051
00:51:04,760 --> 00:51:07,680
Speaker 1: the answer to that question, but I'm sure that would

1052
00:51:07,719 --> 00:51:10,880
Speaker 1: be in the mix in their decision making. Okay, and

1053
00:51:11,520 --> 00:51:13,680
Speaker 1: if they can get him for even cheaper than the

1054
00:51:13,800 --> 00:51:16,080
Speaker 1: six the six pick in the drift, that makes it,

1055
00:51:16,360 --> 00:51:19,040
Speaker 1: that makes it even better. Well I think they can. Mean,

1056
00:51:19,160 --> 00:51:21,840
Speaker 1: thanks thanks for taking my call. Thank you, Bob. I

1057
00:51:21,880 --> 00:51:23,960
Speaker 1: appreciate the phone call. I mean, there's been even some

1058
00:51:24,040 --> 00:51:25,640
Speaker 1: speculation that maybe all you have to do is give

1059
00:51:25,680 --> 00:51:28,080
Speaker 1: up a thirty. I don't necessarily think that that may

1060
00:51:28,120 --> 00:51:30,200
Speaker 1: be accurate, but I also don't think you need to

1061
00:51:30,239 --> 00:51:32,440
Speaker 1: give up the sixth overall pick. As far as his

1062
00:51:32,520 --> 00:51:34,440
Speaker 1: point about you know, well, the money is gonna come

1063
00:51:34,480 --> 00:51:37,360
Speaker 1: off the books whether you trade for Josh Rosen or not.

1064
00:51:37,520 --> 00:51:39,520
Speaker 1: If the Giants don't retain the line manning, the money's

1065
00:51:39,520 --> 00:51:41,799
Speaker 1: coming off the books regardless. So I really don't think

1066
00:51:41,840 --> 00:51:44,480
Speaker 1: that should dictate where you go in the direction of

1067
00:51:44,520 --> 00:51:48,960
Speaker 1: a younger quarterback. Rosen certainly still has value. And I

1068
00:51:49,000 --> 00:51:50,680
Speaker 1: don't put a lot of stock in anything that he

1069
00:51:50,719 --> 00:51:53,520
Speaker 1: showed in Arizona. Why because, as John mentioned, they had

1070
00:51:53,560 --> 00:51:55,480
Speaker 1: no offensive line. It was a game of musical chairs.

1071
00:51:55,800 --> 00:51:58,040
Speaker 1: But the other note is, I know you like that line,

1072
00:51:58,080 --> 00:51:59,680
Speaker 1: so I'll throw it out John to us in a

1073
00:51:59,719 --> 00:52:02,160
Speaker 1: while that you have it. And the second factor is

1074
00:52:02,200 --> 00:52:04,680
Speaker 1: he had two offensive coordinators in the span of fourteen games.

1075
00:52:04,719 --> 00:52:06,760
Speaker 1: He didn't play the first two games of the season.

1076
00:52:06,840 --> 00:52:09,719
Speaker 1: He started fourteen. Actually I think he played fourteen. He

1077
00:52:09,719 --> 00:52:12,960
Speaker 1: started thirteen. Excuse me. He had Mike McCoy al th

1078
00:52:13,120 --> 00:52:16,400
Speaker 1: out camp. Then Mike McCoy was let go very early

1079
00:52:16,680 --> 00:52:19,680
Speaker 1: and Byron Leftwich took over as his offensive coordinator and

1080
00:52:19,719 --> 00:52:22,880
Speaker 1: left which became a first time offensive coordinate. He's actually

1081
00:52:22,960 --> 00:52:26,440
Speaker 1: having the same role now with the Bucks under Bruce Arians,

1082
00:52:26,520 --> 00:52:28,640
Speaker 1: So he had a lot of fluctuation to deal with.

1083
00:52:29,239 --> 00:52:31,160
Speaker 1: For the people who say, well, you know, I wasn't

1084
00:52:31,160 --> 00:52:33,400
Speaker 1: impressed with his decision making and this and that, go

1085
00:52:33,560 --> 00:52:35,319
Speaker 1: back and look at Alex Smith early in his career

1086
00:52:35,360 --> 00:52:36,279
Speaker 1: and look at what he had to deal with in

1087
00:52:36,320 --> 00:52:38,880
Speaker 1: San Francisco. It's no coincidence he didn't start to hit

1088
00:52:38,960 --> 00:52:41,880
Speaker 1: his stride until Greg Roman took over his offensive coordinator

1089
00:52:41,920 --> 00:52:44,600
Speaker 1: in San France with hardball, and then Alex Smith and

1090
00:52:44,640 --> 00:52:47,520
Speaker 1: the Niners started playing better football on offense. So you've

1091
00:52:47,560 --> 00:52:51,000
Speaker 1: got to take that into consideration. If Rosen becomes available,

1092
00:52:51,120 --> 00:52:53,440
Speaker 1: it's a conversation worth having. But I don't think you

1093
00:52:53,440 --> 00:52:55,920
Speaker 1: should give up the sixth overall pick for him to

1094
00:52:56,000 --> 00:52:58,440
Speaker 1: a one four or five, one three. And obviously he

1095
00:52:58,440 --> 00:53:01,080
Speaker 1: has property of the Cardinals, So that's the Giants cannot

1096
00:53:01,080 --> 00:53:04,000
Speaker 1: even talk about that publicly or considerate. We're talking strictly

1097
00:53:04,080 --> 00:53:07,160
Speaker 1: hypothetically if something like that could occur um at some

1098
00:53:07,280 --> 00:53:08,879
Speaker 1: point in time. We do not speak for the front

1099
00:53:08,920 --> 00:53:12,040
Speaker 1: office or anything in that regard. Brian and Virginia's up next? Hi, Brian,

1100
00:53:13,160 --> 00:53:18,200
Speaker 1: what's going on? John? What's going on? Lasts Just a

1101
00:53:18,239 --> 00:53:20,840
Speaker 1: comment on the last callers I think trading for a

1102
00:53:20,960 --> 00:53:24,960
Speaker 1: guy that the Giant didn't really see considerable value in

1103
00:53:25,080 --> 00:53:27,920
Speaker 1: last year, just to you know, Phillip future need and

1104
00:53:27,960 --> 00:53:30,279
Speaker 1: the piece of media and fan base is playing a

1105
00:53:30,360 --> 00:53:33,160
Speaker 1: dangerous game. Well, you know, it depends. It depends on

1106
00:53:33,200 --> 00:53:35,640
Speaker 1: the cost though, like they maybe they saw Josh Rosen

1107
00:53:35,680 --> 00:53:38,759
Speaker 1: as a player that was perfectly fine to pick. And

1108
00:53:38,800 --> 00:53:40,799
Speaker 1: if you're trading a second round pick, then you're getting

1109
00:53:40,840 --> 00:53:42,360
Speaker 1: good value for it. So I think it depends on

1110
00:53:42,960 --> 00:53:48,640
Speaker 1: exactly right, correct, huh right. But on another note, I

1111
00:53:48,719 --> 00:53:51,320
Speaker 1: have a question you think that you know, taking Hapkins

1112
00:53:51,800 --> 00:53:53,640
Speaker 1: with the sixth kid, do you think that sets our

1113
00:53:53,719 --> 00:53:56,799
Speaker 1: franchise back some years? And I'm not you know, I'm

1114
00:53:56,840 --> 00:53:59,919
Speaker 1: not Camverson for him. I'm just I'm just curious because

1115
00:54:00,120 --> 00:54:03,319
Speaker 1: honestly speaking, I'm not you know, speaking on a negative note,

1116
00:54:03,760 --> 00:54:05,680
Speaker 1: I just don't know where we are in the process.

1117
00:54:05,840 --> 00:54:07,759
Speaker 1: I know we're in the process, but I don't know

1118
00:54:07,840 --> 00:54:10,279
Speaker 1: where we are in the process. Well, I don't think

1119
00:54:10,320 --> 00:54:13,080
Speaker 1: we're regret I don't think we're regressive. And you know

1120
00:54:13,200 --> 00:54:15,640
Speaker 1: that was good for the last season, but you know,

1121
00:54:15,760 --> 00:54:17,520
Speaker 1: we have tons of needs to fill on the team

1122
00:54:17,600 --> 00:54:20,960
Speaker 1: and and and also prey me in positions, and so

1123
00:54:21,280 --> 00:54:22,680
Speaker 1: I just want to know, you know, where are we

1124
00:54:22,800 --> 00:54:25,200
Speaker 1: in the process, I will say very simply, and and

1125
00:54:25,400 --> 00:54:26,960
Speaker 1: and then all at Lance answers, I know he was

1126
00:54:27,000 --> 00:54:30,080
Speaker 1: pining you you never set your franchise back if you

1127
00:54:30,120 --> 00:54:34,279
Speaker 1: find your next franchise quarterback. You know it's it's too important. Yeah,

1128
00:54:34,560 --> 00:54:36,800
Speaker 1: that's exactly the direction I was gonna go in, because

1129
00:54:36,840 --> 00:54:40,239
Speaker 1: I think Brian and John was alluding to this. You're

1130
00:54:40,320 --> 00:54:43,160
Speaker 1: thinking big picture with your sixth overall pick, just like

1131
00:54:43,200 --> 00:54:44,759
Speaker 1: you're thinking big picture when you take a guy like

1132
00:54:44,840 --> 00:54:47,880
Speaker 1: sa Kwon Barkley. This is not well, we've got a

1133
00:54:48,000 --> 00:54:51,840
Speaker 1: linebacker need and a defensive lineman need right now, so

1134
00:54:52,000 --> 00:54:54,440
Speaker 1: we'll just take whoever we think is available at six.

1135
00:54:54,440 --> 00:54:56,160
Speaker 1: If you don't think they're gonna be a franchise player,

1136
00:54:56,239 --> 00:54:58,600
Speaker 1: then that set your franchise back. To answer your question,

1137
00:54:58,640 --> 00:55:01,240
Speaker 1: But if you think Dwayne asked, it is your franchise quarterback,

1138
00:55:01,520 --> 00:55:03,719
Speaker 1: whether you need a quarterback right now or you need

1139
00:55:03,760 --> 00:55:05,799
Speaker 1: a quarterback in two years, it's not gonna set your

1140
00:55:05,840 --> 00:55:08,440
Speaker 1: franchise back because in the long run, there's gonna be

1141
00:55:08,520 --> 00:55:12,360
Speaker 1: good value for that selection. So that everyone's obsessed with

1142
00:55:13,360 --> 00:55:15,680
Speaker 1: en here and I think everyone's gonna view every and

1143
00:55:15,880 --> 00:55:18,160
Speaker 1: I get it. That's what the NFL is. It's a

1144
00:55:18,239 --> 00:55:21,200
Speaker 1: it's a year by year league, and everyone wants its gratification.

1145
00:55:21,719 --> 00:55:23,600
Speaker 1: But so many moves and we saw it did get

1146
00:55:23,640 --> 00:55:25,880
Speaker 1: him and do this in Carolina. So people should not

1147
00:55:25,960 --> 00:55:28,719
Speaker 1: be surprised. He takes a very big picture of you.

1148
00:55:28,880 --> 00:55:32,879
Speaker 1: He's willing to take short term pain for long term gain,

1149
00:55:33,120 --> 00:55:36,399
Speaker 1: and he does not give two craps what anybody thinks

1150
00:55:36,440 --> 00:55:37,960
Speaker 1: about it. Either He's gonna do what he thinks is

1151
00:55:38,000 --> 00:55:40,640
Speaker 1: the right thing to do. And I couldn't agree. I've

1152
00:55:40,640 --> 00:55:43,120
Speaker 1: been beating. I've been beating the death for Dave Gentleman

1153
00:55:43,560 --> 00:55:45,840
Speaker 1: um and I hate to call his name and players also,

1154
00:55:46,680 --> 00:55:49,359
Speaker 1: the Giants should get um. And some of these names

1155
00:55:49,360 --> 00:55:52,120
Speaker 1: are nice. They're talking about names of free agency. Some

1156
00:55:52,160 --> 00:55:53,640
Speaker 1: of these names are nice. But you know this is

1157
00:55:53,680 --> 00:55:55,680
Speaker 1: an ol car You know, you don't just get everything

1158
00:55:55,760 --> 00:56:00,759
Speaker 1: you want fantasy that you know. Um, I think we're

1159
00:56:00,800 --> 00:56:03,759
Speaker 1: getting younger and that's definitely encouraging, you know, to see

1160
00:56:03,840 --> 00:56:07,080
Speaker 1: we're getting younger. Um, all we closed, all were not

1161
00:56:07,200 --> 00:56:09,560
Speaker 1: close this, you know the question in my mind, I'm

1162
00:56:09,560 --> 00:56:11,400
Speaker 1: I'm sure, and I think that's where a lot of

1163
00:56:11,520 --> 00:56:13,839
Speaker 1: fan base stands. We're kind of unsure where we are

1164
00:56:14,320 --> 00:56:18,839
Speaker 1: in this process. But like John said yesterday, you were

1165
00:56:18,880 --> 00:56:23,239
Speaker 1: talking about getting production out of players, um and I

1166
00:56:23,320 --> 00:56:25,799
Speaker 1: think at this point, I don't care about the big names.

1167
00:56:26,160 --> 00:56:28,440
Speaker 1: I don't care about big names. I care about production

1168
00:56:28,800 --> 00:56:32,560
Speaker 1: and more more specific, consistent production. And if I think

1169
00:56:32,840 --> 00:56:36,320
Speaker 1: if Gettleman sees guys and whether it's free agency on

1170
00:56:36,400 --> 00:56:40,480
Speaker 1: the draft that can uh bring this production on the field,

1171
00:56:40,760 --> 00:56:43,319
Speaker 1: that I'm all for it. Whether that's the quarterback, whether

1172
00:56:43,400 --> 00:56:47,240
Speaker 1: that's a pass rusher, If if Gettleman can have to foresight,

1173
00:56:47,800 --> 00:56:50,040
Speaker 1: you know, to see that these guys can give us productions,

1174
00:56:50,200 --> 00:56:52,400
Speaker 1: and I'm all for it. I mean, that's what it

1175
00:56:52,440 --> 00:56:55,080
Speaker 1: comes down to. Brian appreciate the call. Yeah, it's all

1176
00:56:55,120 --> 00:56:58,320
Speaker 1: about production. Big names don't win you championships. It's what

1177
00:56:58,520 --> 00:57:00,839
Speaker 1: guys can do. And I think he hit a running

1178
00:57:00,840 --> 00:57:03,880
Speaker 1: the nose by saying what they could do consistently, not

1179
00:57:04,080 --> 00:57:06,120
Speaker 1: what you can do for one season or what can

1180
00:57:06,200 --> 00:57:09,000
Speaker 1: you flash for a span of a few games. And

1181
00:57:09,280 --> 00:57:11,719
Speaker 1: the Giants want to bring in playmakers that are gonna

1182
00:57:11,719 --> 00:57:15,040
Speaker 1: be reliable, and they're no. They know that they're gonna

1183
00:57:15,040 --> 00:57:16,480
Speaker 1: get out on the field each and every week, and

1184
00:57:16,480 --> 00:57:18,400
Speaker 1: they're gonna take care of business. So you know, that's

1185
00:57:18,440 --> 00:57:20,480
Speaker 1: why sometimes you have to sacrifice the guy to make

1186
00:57:20,640 --> 00:57:23,520
Speaker 1: room to bring in some of those other young playmakers.

1187
00:57:24,200 --> 00:57:26,160
Speaker 1: One tweet before we get to our final call, try

1188
00:57:26,240 --> 00:57:28,320
Speaker 1: will get to you in the second um holds on

1189
00:57:28,480 --> 00:57:31,080
Speaker 1: roster plus low caps based plus little draft capital equals

1190
00:57:31,160 --> 00:57:34,440
Speaker 1: unlikely able to trade up. That means stuck at number

1191
00:57:34,480 --> 00:57:36,360
Speaker 1: six or is there a better value if the Giants

1192
00:57:36,400 --> 00:57:39,880
Speaker 1: decide to trade down for more picks? And uh, to me,

1193
00:57:40,000 --> 00:57:42,480
Speaker 1: I'm wide open to trade down this year. Lance, I

1194
00:57:42,520 --> 00:57:45,400
Speaker 1: don't think you're getting unless you know Quentin Williams or

1195
00:57:45,520 --> 00:57:47,200
Speaker 1: Josh Allen or Nick Bosa dropt to you, who are

1196
00:57:47,240 --> 00:57:49,000
Speaker 1: the consensus top three players in the draft. And you

1197
00:57:49,000 --> 00:57:51,600
Speaker 1: know what, never rule that out. That could happen. We

1198
00:57:51,600 --> 00:57:53,360
Speaker 1: saw they happen with Leonard Williams and Jets a couple

1199
00:57:53,360 --> 00:57:55,480
Speaker 1: of years ago, so you never rule it out. But

1200
00:57:55,560 --> 00:57:57,439
Speaker 1: if you get there and you're in that second tier

1201
00:57:57,480 --> 00:58:00,160
Speaker 1: of guys and no one stands out, and you've got three, four, five,

1202
00:58:00,240 --> 00:58:02,439
Speaker 1: six guys with similar grades, and you know a team

1203
00:58:02,520 --> 00:58:04,120
Speaker 1: that wants to move up to six because they like

1204
00:58:04,200 --> 00:58:06,960
Speaker 1: a specific player gives you a call and you can

1205
00:58:07,000 --> 00:58:08,840
Speaker 1: pick up an extra two or an extra three or

1206
00:58:08,880 --> 00:58:11,720
Speaker 1: whatever to move down. Sign me up. I'm all for it,

1207
00:58:11,800 --> 00:58:13,640
Speaker 1: whether it's this year or next year's Jeff, by the way,

1208
00:58:13,800 --> 00:58:16,040
Speaker 1: give me picks, give me more picks, more picks, more picks,

1209
00:58:16,080 --> 00:58:18,360
Speaker 1: more picks. Yeah, I would say that for most years,

1210
00:58:18,760 --> 00:58:22,040
Speaker 1: especially the Giants current situation. But you know, here's the

1211
00:58:22,080 --> 00:58:24,040
Speaker 1: other thing to look at it, the John the Giants

1212
00:58:24,080 --> 00:58:26,280
Speaker 1: already have a number of picks to begin with, I mean,

1213
00:58:26,320 --> 00:58:28,840
Speaker 1: plus that just getting that extra compensatory picks. So the

1214
00:58:29,000 --> 00:58:30,520
Speaker 1: volumes there, now, I get it. They don't have a

1215
00:58:30,560 --> 00:58:33,640
Speaker 1: third round or I understand that. But all of these

1216
00:58:33,680 --> 00:58:36,040
Speaker 1: guys that are gonna be drafted, it's highly unlikely they're

1217
00:58:36,040 --> 00:58:37,680
Speaker 1: all gonna make the rosters. So you know, you can

1218
00:58:37,760 --> 00:58:41,400
Speaker 1: sell me on volume, volume, volume, It's substance, substance, substance.

1219
00:58:41,720 --> 00:58:44,480
Speaker 1: That's my argument. Who's going to realistically have a chance

1220
00:58:44,520 --> 00:58:46,320
Speaker 1: to make the roster and who's gonna make an impact?

1221
00:58:46,560 --> 00:58:49,120
Speaker 1: If you think it's six you're gonna get an impactful player,

1222
00:58:49,360 --> 00:58:51,400
Speaker 1: then I don't think you should overthink it and say, well,

1223
00:58:51,480 --> 00:58:54,360
Speaker 1: if we move down, fifteen spots will get an extra

1224
00:58:54,760 --> 00:58:58,520
Speaker 1: two or three will bring in another playmaker. Six gives

1225
00:58:58,560 --> 00:59:00,480
Speaker 1: you the playmaker, then you take the play maker. Do

1226
00:59:00,560 --> 00:59:02,800
Speaker 1: those circumstances. All right, let's wrap it up with our

1227
00:59:02,840 --> 00:59:05,360
Speaker 1: final call of the day, and that's Charlie in Portland's Mains.

1228
00:59:05,400 --> 00:59:10,200
Speaker 1: Hello Charlie, Hey John, Hey Lance, Hey I I I

1229
00:59:10,520 --> 00:59:14,400
Speaker 1: this What really bothers me is that we don't we're

1230
00:59:14,440 --> 00:59:19,760
Speaker 1: not we don't want to win now. Basically we're rebuilding

1231
00:59:20,040 --> 00:59:23,400
Speaker 1: on the defense. So to me is like, why is

1232
00:59:23,560 --> 00:59:27,320
Speaker 1: Eli even on this team? He should ask for his release,

1233
00:59:27,760 --> 00:59:30,280
Speaker 1: go to a team because maybe he doesn't want to leave,

1234
00:59:30,520 --> 00:59:32,120
Speaker 1: because maybe he doesn't want to leave an he wants

1235
00:59:32,160 --> 00:59:35,040
Speaker 1: to finish his career. And again, you have you have

1236
00:59:35,200 --> 00:59:37,680
Speaker 1: to and you know what, you want to figure out

1237
00:59:37,680 --> 00:59:41,240
Speaker 1: who the replacement is to. I mean, trust me, even

1238
00:59:41,280 --> 00:59:44,840
Speaker 1: though that they are making long term decisions on defense,

1239
00:59:45,240 --> 00:59:47,120
Speaker 1: that doesn't mean you also don't want the team to

1240
00:59:47,160 --> 00:59:49,480
Speaker 1: be competitive for the people that are buying your season tickets.

1241
00:59:49,520 --> 00:59:51,480
Speaker 1: So you don't just want to run into the season

1242
00:59:51,520 --> 00:59:53,000
Speaker 1: and throw Kylo Lett out there and let me get

1243
00:59:53,080 --> 00:59:56,440
Speaker 1: killed for sixteen games. I know, I know, but the

1244
00:59:56,560 --> 00:59:58,960
Speaker 1: thing is, why would Eli want to, you know, be

1245
00:59:59,080 --> 01:00:01,320
Speaker 1: on a team that's going to be six and ten,

1246
01:00:01,720 --> 01:00:05,000
Speaker 1: maybe seven and nine. Maybe if they get uh, you know,

1247
01:00:05,080 --> 01:00:09,040
Speaker 1: if they do get another quarterback Rosen or Askins or whatever,

1248
01:00:09,600 --> 01:00:12,280
Speaker 1: you know, around the eighth or tenth game, since you

1249
01:00:12,360 --> 01:00:15,720
Speaker 1: know we're gonna be like four and whatever, they'll blame

1250
01:00:15,760 --> 01:00:18,400
Speaker 1: it all on Eli, and then they'll bring the rookie

1251
01:00:18,440 --> 01:00:20,880
Speaker 1: in and he's gonna be sitting there with a clipboard

1252
01:00:21,240 --> 01:00:25,320
Speaker 1: going out on his last year. Well, I mean, you

1253
01:00:25,360 --> 01:00:27,080
Speaker 1: don't know they're going to bring in somebody else, first

1254
01:00:27,120 --> 01:00:30,680
Speaker 1: of all, And number two, that Charlie fans think that way,

1255
01:00:30,800 --> 01:00:32,520
Speaker 1: and Lance and I think that way, and people in

1256
01:00:32,560 --> 01:00:35,280
Speaker 1: the media think that way. Players don't think that way.

1257
01:00:35,480 --> 01:00:37,400
Speaker 1: Eli is not sitting there saying, boy, we have a

1258
01:00:37,440 --> 01:00:39,280
Speaker 1: six and ten roster, what the hell am I doing here?

1259
01:00:39,320 --> 01:00:40,920
Speaker 1: He he's gonna say, look, I'm gonna come in here.

1260
01:00:41,280 --> 01:00:43,280
Speaker 1: Becap is gonna be healthy. We're gonna improve on the

1261
01:00:43,360 --> 01:00:46,360
Speaker 1: offensive line, Barkley in a second year. Maybe we catch

1262
01:00:46,400 --> 01:00:47,840
Speaker 1: the lightning in the bottle with a couple of our

1263
01:00:47,920 --> 01:00:49,760
Speaker 1: draft picks on defense and they play really well in

1264
01:00:49,800 --> 01:00:51,360
Speaker 1: their first year, and we figured out a way to

1265
01:00:51,400 --> 01:00:54,160
Speaker 1: win nine games again to the playoffs. That's how athletes

1266
01:00:54,240 --> 01:00:57,240
Speaker 1: think about things. They don't think. They don't think about

1267
01:00:57,600 --> 01:00:59,960
Speaker 1: why the team's gonna fail. They think about why it's

1268
01:01:00,200 --> 01:01:03,520
Speaker 1: can succeed. Yeah, but maybe when you're thirty eight, you are.

1269
01:01:03,920 --> 01:01:06,320
Speaker 1: But let me say something about the defense. And the

1270
01:01:06,400 --> 01:01:09,360
Speaker 1: other thing is the reason why we have given we

1271
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Speaker 1: have given away or traded away a lot of good

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Speaker 1: defensive players. We have given away a lot of them.

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Speaker 1: And I could go through the names, and I'm not

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Speaker 1: going to bother because of one thing. We brought in

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Speaker 1: Betcher and he has a system that was totally different

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Speaker 1: than the one that we started with that we had

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Speaker 1: for years and years and years. So none of these

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Speaker 1: guys hit his system. So we keep getting rid of

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Speaker 1: them all, you know, and and and you know, Collins,

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Speaker 1: we gave two draft picks away to get this guy.

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Speaker 1: It wasn't one we moved up to get him too.

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Speaker 1: We gave away the guy was attacking the machine, and

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01:01:48,560 --> 01:01:52,120
Speaker 1: this team needs attacking the machine. But everybody can't ship

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Speaker 1: his system, so we chief. So what it is is

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Speaker 1: this side of the nuts is that we're not gonna win.

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Speaker 1: Now we're rebuilding. You're wait a minute, you're bringing in

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Speaker 1: players to your point that, yes, fit James Betcher's scheme,

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Speaker 1: and I don't think Landon Collins doesn't fit James Becher's

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Speaker 1: scheme either. But I don't think that. First of all,

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Speaker 1: I mean, he used versatil players when he was in

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01:02:14,320 --> 01:02:17,600
Speaker 1: Arizona that could be moved between linebacker and safety, So

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Speaker 1: I don't buy that. And we talked about Snacks earlier,

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Speaker 1: and we talked about you know, they were looking to

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Speaker 1: get the young guys and and and by the way,

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01:02:29,520 --> 01:02:32,560
Speaker 1: no Canar could couldn't stay healthy when he was with

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Speaker 1: the Giant, and they got paid a lot of money,

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Speaker 1: and JPP didn't get traded because of fit. JPP got

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Speaker 1: traded because of his CAT number. It's that's if the

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01:02:40,760 --> 01:02:44,160
Speaker 1: thing is that what we're doing is now what happens

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Speaker 1: If our defense is worse than it was last year,

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Speaker 1: you think Betcher is going to be here for another

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01:02:49,840 --> 01:02:53,760
Speaker 1: year and we totally Floyd everything gartlet of players that

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Speaker 1: were really good, and he won't even be here next.

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Speaker 1: First of all, Charlie, thanks for call. First of all,

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Speaker 1: it call is insanity. By the way, that was a

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01:03:03,920 --> 01:03:06,640
Speaker 1: very proper term because the defense in two thousand seventeen,

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Speaker 1: with all these great players in the old system stunk too.

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01:03:10,200 --> 01:03:15,280
Speaker 1: It's stunk. First of all, it's stunk. It was bad. No. No, though,

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01:03:15,360 --> 01:03:17,800
Speaker 1: let's be real, because we had somebody yesterday call up

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Speaker 1: to and say, oh, well, the offense didn't get on,

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01:03:20,400 --> 01:03:21,960
Speaker 1: didn't stay on the field, and I'll put the defense

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01:03:22,000 --> 01:03:24,000
Speaker 1: in bad situations. We got into these fights at the

1313
01:03:24,040 --> 01:03:25,760
Speaker 1: end of that year. I remember them and it still

1314
01:03:25,880 --> 01:03:31,360
Speaker 1: drives me nuts. The defense was baden, okay, it's bring

1315
01:03:31,440 --> 01:03:34,320
Speaker 1: it up. It's stunk up the joint. Now. The offense

1316
01:03:34,400 --> 01:03:37,160
Speaker 1: was bad too, don't get me wrong. Did they help, No,

1317
01:03:37,680 --> 01:03:41,440
Speaker 1: but they were not good. The defense in two thousands

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01:03:41,480 --> 01:03:44,840
Speaker 1: seventeen thirty first overall, thirty feet against the past seven

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Speaker 1: against the r A possession. They got tired, lads, they

1320
01:03:49,760 --> 01:03:51,880
Speaker 1: got tired. They were dragging. They didn't know what to do.

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Speaker 1: It's come on, alay narrative. I had somebody call up

1322
01:03:56,680 --> 01:03:59,640
Speaker 1: yesterday and say, oh boy, the Giants, it really cost them.

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01:03:59,680 --> 01:04:01,640
Speaker 1: If they would have brought back Andrew Adams, the defense

1324
01:04:01,680 --> 01:04:03,880
Speaker 1: would have been great. Last year. I swear that I'm

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01:04:03,920 --> 01:04:06,960
Speaker 1: not joking. We got that call yesterday and I was Charlie.

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Speaker 1: Charlie was utilized. No. But here's the thing that come

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Speaker 1: on Charlie hold on John, Charlie listed a plethora of players.

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01:04:14,760 --> 01:04:17,520
Speaker 1: Dave Gettleman didn't select one of them though. That's what

1329
01:04:17,640 --> 01:04:20,000
Speaker 1: he forgot to mention that whole conversation. It's not because

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01:04:20,320 --> 01:04:22,520
Speaker 1: card actually fits better in a three four than a

1331
01:04:22,560 --> 01:04:25,080
Speaker 1: four three. He's a three or four outsideline backer because

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Speaker 1: when he played at USC, he played in a four

1333
01:04:27,320 --> 01:04:29,120
Speaker 1: three and a three for remember, they moved him around

1334
01:04:29,120 --> 01:04:32,520
Speaker 1: here like four different systems bolts, so he could easily

1335
01:04:32,800 --> 01:04:36,440
Speaker 1: be interchangeable. They're not just playkating to Betcher. That's part

1336
01:04:36,480 --> 01:04:38,440
Speaker 1: of the philosophy. Certainly, you want to bring in guys

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01:04:38,720 --> 01:04:41,320
Speaker 1: that fit the coordinator's scheme, There's no doubt about that.

1338
01:04:41,720 --> 01:04:45,280
Speaker 1: But once again, Gettleman is entitled to come in John,

1339
01:04:45,640 --> 01:04:47,720
Speaker 1: He's entitled to evaluate all the players and say, you

1340
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Speaker 1: know what, I don't think that highly of them, or

1341
01:04:50,760 --> 01:04:52,600
Speaker 1: I don't view them value in terms of what we're

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01:04:52,600 --> 01:04:54,600
Speaker 1: talking about. Breakdown of the cap the same way that

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01:04:54,720 --> 01:04:56,880
Speaker 1: the previous general manager did. Is that a crime? And

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01:04:56,960 --> 01:04:58,520
Speaker 1: you know what the funny thing is, and then we're

1345
01:04:58,520 --> 01:05:02,480
Speaker 1: gonna wrap right now. When people constantly call up after

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01:05:02,520 --> 01:05:03,960
Speaker 1: like a coach from one year and they want to

1347
01:05:03,960 --> 01:05:06,360
Speaker 1: fire everybody, right, fire the GM, fire the coach. What

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01:05:06,680 --> 01:05:09,480
Speaker 1: what do we always say to them? We say, if

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01:05:09,600 --> 01:05:15,040
Speaker 1: you do that, it creates a lack of continuity and

1350
01:05:15,160 --> 01:05:16,720
Speaker 1: you have to change over the roster and you have

1351
01:05:16,800 --> 01:05:18,800
Speaker 1: so many changes, it's in impossible to win. If you

1352
01:05:18,880 --> 01:05:20,960
Speaker 1: go back and you look at history and the teams

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01:05:20,960 --> 01:05:25,360
Speaker 1: that are constantly changing coaches in general managers, right, they

1354
01:05:25,440 --> 01:05:28,800
Speaker 1: never have success because you're always recycling everybody. So now

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01:05:29,880 --> 01:05:32,880
Speaker 1: now when they do change the coach and GM and

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01:05:33,000 --> 01:05:35,360
Speaker 1: they change out the players, people are mad that they're

1357
01:05:35,360 --> 01:05:37,240
Speaker 1: doing exactly what we told them they were gonna do.

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01:05:37,640 --> 01:05:40,600
Speaker 1: If you caught fire the coach and general manager. This

1359
01:05:40,880 --> 01:05:44,760
Speaker 1: is how it works. This is what happens. Guys, you're

1360
01:05:44,840 --> 01:05:48,200
Speaker 1: upset about the team losing players that were on one

1361
01:05:48,240 --> 01:05:51,280
Speaker 1: of the worst teams in the franchise's history when they

1362
01:05:51,320 --> 01:05:54,600
Speaker 1: win three and thirteen and I didn't go three by accidents.

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01:05:54,680 --> 01:05:56,760
Speaker 1: And also, guys that I didn't hear anybody calling up

1364
01:05:56,800 --> 01:06:00,480
Speaker 1: a campaigning must be retained by all means that time,

1365
01:06:01,040 --> 01:06:03,800
Speaker 1: when when when Devon Kennarden once again no disrespect him

1366
01:06:03,800 --> 01:06:06,560
Speaker 1: when he was missing five and six games at a pop,

1367
01:06:06,840 --> 01:06:09,600
Speaker 1: was anybody calling in oh, boy, he's priority number one

1368
01:06:09,640 --> 01:06:13,280
Speaker 1: in terms of free agent resigning. Did anybody voice that?

1369
01:06:13,520 --> 01:06:17,160
Speaker 1: And it's not like turn the line's defense was terrible

1370
01:06:17,280 --> 01:06:21,080
Speaker 1: last year. Okuara got more playing time and also two

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01:06:21,160 --> 01:06:23,000
Speaker 1: in Detroit, and we liked the core. We we both

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Speaker 1: thought he was gonna make the roster last year, but

1373
01:06:25,440 --> 01:06:27,800
Speaker 1: more playing time. He took advantage of kudos. Dam he

1374
01:06:27,840 --> 01:06:29,959
Speaker 1: deserves it. He was not the guy that that's turned

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Speaker 1: the whole thing around. It's like, oh, well, you don't

1376
01:06:31,200 --> 01:06:34,440
Speaker 1: need Olivia Ning got Romeo A Kara. I mean, come on, relax.

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01:06:34,800 --> 01:06:36,880
Speaker 1: I mean, we talked about this past season, the lack

1378
01:06:36,960 --> 01:06:39,280
Speaker 1: of depth. It's not just one guy that was basic.

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Speaker 1: Lance good stuff, and we're back tomorrow will ken Lee Platt,

1380
01:06:44,120 --> 01:06:47,040
Speaker 1: who runs the r AS Combined system, will take more

1381
01:06:47,040 --> 01:06:48,680
Speaker 1: of your calls, of course on f agency, but we're

1382
01:06:48,680 --> 01:06:50,760
Speaker 1: also break down some of the best performers from the

1383
01:06:50,840 --> 01:06:53,200
Speaker 1: combine tomorrow on Big Book kick Off live at noon

1384
01:06:53,240 --> 01:06:56,080
Speaker 1: for Lance metwhile John Schmilk we'll see. Then take it easy,

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Speaker 1: everybody have a going