Speaker 1: What's up?
Speaker 2: And welcome back to another episode of No Salers Podcast
Speaker 2: with your host now fucked that with your load glasses Malone.
Speaker 2: So Twilight is a nigga. He it's the honey from
Speaker 2: Loan Beat, right. I didn't meet him before I saw him, Okay,
Speaker 2: I saw the nigga on television. Tell him how where
Speaker 2: I saw you at twy? Like what television program was part?
Speaker 1: Man?
Speaker 3: Yeah? Okay, And it.
Speaker 2: Was dope as hell because it was dope because it
Speaker 2: was it was somebody that I knew from around the way,
Speaker 2: like he was from where we was from. And this
Speaker 2: is why before I even thought about being this is
Speaker 2: where year.
Speaker 1: Was at man, it was two thousand something.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it had to be a while ago, bro, and
Speaker 3: while ago, but I thought it was dope.
Speaker 2: And we've been talking about working ever since we met
Speaker 2: back then, and in between that time, my boy go down,
Speaker 2: fight a bed and all of that, and he come
Speaker 2: home and like, I'm happy and we still ain't work.
Speaker 2: So we were starting to have a conversation about like
Speaker 2: we were talking about something that he posted and it
Speaker 2: hit me. He was like, oh, you know what we
Speaker 2: should do this on ig Live. I was like, yeah,
Speaker 2: you know what for shore Bro. We should you know,
Speaker 2: make some content together. I think that's dope, Like, you know,
Speaker 2: we should make some content. And it hit me like
Speaker 2: I need to give him exposure on No Ceilings. It
Speaker 2: don't make no sense that it's somebody who I really
Speaker 2: I like their talent, you know what I mean, I
Speaker 2: like the brand of what they do, and you know
Speaker 2: what I mean, it's somebody I want to promote.
Speaker 4: So it was like.
Speaker 2: I thought that was dope to bring him on No
Speaker 2: Ceilings to talk about it. And you know, we don't
Speaker 2: really do no interviews.
Speaker 4: So yeah, it's like our third.
Speaker 2: Well it's not really an interview because we don't really ask.
Speaker 2: No question is to no artists about what they do
Speaker 2: with their career. No siblings is about brands. Everything is
Speaker 2: branding and your specific get own. So it's it's everything
Speaker 2: about your get down.
Speaker 3: I appreciate you for having me on here.
Speaker 1: Man, I didn't expect this, you know what I'm saying,
Speaker 1: But shit, were here. Man, that's so too, that's that's
Speaker 1: so yeah. Yeah, So.
Speaker 2: We was having a conversation about gang banging offline, right
Speaker 2: because Twilight is somebody I respect. He got to beachy
Speaker 2: from twenties, like you know, off of Wide. So it
Speaker 2: was a dope conversation about everything we got going on.
Speaker 2: So I was like, oh, you know what, we should
Speaker 2: have this conversation on the podcast. So let's get back
Speaker 2: right into it twilight, so we don't lose no space.
Speaker 2: You were saying your issue with the the culture specifically
Speaker 2: was us when white people was involved, it would change everything.
Speaker 3: Uh not.
Speaker 1: My issue with the culture is that I just feel
Speaker 1: like out of every group.
Speaker 3: You feel me, every group, every ethnic group, every.
Speaker 1: Anybody that come over into America, let me say, they
Speaker 1: got some type of camaraderie and love for each other
Speaker 1: where they look at each other all the same. Even
Speaker 1: the Africans. When the Somalians come over here, they're the Somalians,
Speaker 1: you feel me, and they stick in they community and
Speaker 1: they fuck with each other.
Speaker 3: You know, they might have a their.
Speaker 1: Inner little shit, but overall we know the Samalians rock
Speaker 1: with each other. The Jews they do the same thing,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying, the Asians.
Speaker 4: So when you say culture, I don't know which culture,
Speaker 4: Like you mean just.
Speaker 5: Gang bang culture, hip hop culture, or localized black culture
Speaker 5: or what you're talking about.
Speaker 1: There you go African Americans, black people, we don't look
Speaker 1: at each other as the same, that we the same.
Speaker 1: In fact, I feel like that we got more of
Speaker 1: a disdain for the next nigga than we do anybody else.
Speaker 1: So what I was talking about is that how we
Speaker 1: don't be having the same energy and hatred for white
Speaker 1: people and not specifically a white person. Right, you know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying, not not like you. Right, let me say, like,
Speaker 1: for example, most of these niggas that in this general,
Speaker 1: most of these niggas that's in the streets done been
Speaker 1: to prison. Most of us have been treated unfairly by
Speaker 1: the judicial system. It's the prosecutor that told the judge
Speaker 1: I was a flight risk before I even got on
Speaker 1: the airplane. I'm just trying to get out and make
Speaker 1: bonds so I could be with my family for I
Speaker 1: go do my time.
Speaker 3: Right, I know I broke the law.
Speaker 1: She get up there on the motherfucker's stands, and I
Speaker 1: know she done did this to a whole lot of niggas.
Speaker 3: He's a flight risk. You're on her make his bill
Speaker 3: five million dollars? What bit you lying?
Speaker 1: I donly I never even flew nowhere where fuck I'm
Speaker 1: gonna go right, she lied on me.
Speaker 3: They over senced us. Right, it's the same judge.
Speaker 1: The police would be the same police in the same area,
Speaker 1: beating niggas up, chasing them, planting evidence. Right, a nigga
Speaker 1: get out of jail, he'll forget on about that, or
Speaker 1: maybe he don't. He'll harness the anger and unleash the
Speaker 1: anger on another nigga right close to him. He won't
Speaker 1: think about going to that courtroom and doing nothing to
Speaker 1: her or that judge or that or that officer. They
Speaker 1: won't think about them, but they'll.
Speaker 3: Unleash that same anger on a nigga.
Speaker 1: It's like we bullied each other, you feel me, because
Speaker 1: we know we at the bottom of the totem pole,
Speaker 1: so we take our shit out on each other. But
Speaker 1: I this how the conversation turned into this. I said
Speaker 1: them a rabs. If they was over here getting treated
Speaker 1: unfairly and unjust like that and being locked up, and
Speaker 1: they had some of the leaders in there where they
Speaker 1: know they innocent, them, a Rabs will blow that court
Speaker 1: building up. And he objected to that, and I seen,
Speaker 1: I said, oh this is bit finna get deep, bro.
Speaker 1: I said, we should just go live. When me get
Speaker 1: up out the bed, I said, because we too. I see,
Speaker 1: I already know he intelligent, you feel me, and we
Speaker 1: on two different sides of the spectrum. I said, let's
Speaker 1: jump on live. So that's where we cut off at
Speaker 1: where he's basically said the a rap I'm looking at
Speaker 1: that wrong. They wouldn't you feel me?
Speaker 3: So you know what I'm saying, Well, it's like, let's
Speaker 3: start with this.
Speaker 2: A major a major issue like in our culture right
Speaker 2: in La street urban culture, or a major confusion point
Speaker 2: is you said something specific.
Speaker 3: I know I broke the law. The one thing about
Speaker 3: gang banging.
Speaker 2: Is it's very much rooted in justice. So even when
Speaker 2: you saying like we just treat each other a certain way,
Speaker 2: we don't do it to each other just because we're black. See,
Speaker 2: And that's why it's disingenuous to kind of root it
Speaker 2: as if you see the next brother and it's an
Speaker 2: issue because he a brother. It's not, you know what
Speaker 2: I mean. It's right now, if we in Loan Beach,
Speaker 2: it's because of years and years of violation between two
Speaker 2: specific gangs that create that tension. It ain't just because
Speaker 2: your skin is black. And another point I was thinking
Speaker 2: was when you were talking about how it is for
Speaker 2: those other communities. If you put those people in poor communities,
Speaker 2: they would actually fight each other. Like if we go
Speaker 2: to East La there ain't a black person in site.
Speaker 2: Yet it's really a lot of justice. Is hyper violence
Speaker 2: going on in the streets because everybody is trying to
Speaker 2: ride or wrong. Everybody trying to ride a wrong Cambodia
Speaker 2: town is the same way if we go to the Asians,
Speaker 2: maybe in Chinatown, you know what I mean, or what's
Speaker 2: that spot over the Korea.
Speaker 4: Or like Garden Grove.
Speaker 5: I feel like they used to have some issues with
Speaker 5: the Vietnamese over there before they started getting a little
Speaker 5: bit better off, like thirty years ago, Like they had
Speaker 5: Asian boys and then the trgs or whatever in Long Beaches.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I said, but see listen, let me let me
Speaker 1: interject those when you say Asian boy and TRG, those
Speaker 1: are gangs that came off of I mean those are
Speaker 1: that's a situation that came off of our culture. So
Speaker 1: they're copying us. There are people, don't they look down
Speaker 1: on that. Even if you talk to a Pisa from Mexico,
Speaker 1: they look down on the tools.
Speaker 3: They say they stupid. I talked to I dealt with pisons.
Speaker 3: They be like the trolo.
Speaker 1: That's dumb.
Speaker 3: They fucking killing each other for nothing. Most even when
Speaker 3: you say poor, you know Mexicans they can live in
Speaker 3: a house with each other.
Speaker 1: And this is no disrespect to my Mexican community because
Speaker 1: I admire this. They can live in a house with
Speaker 1: each other. Twenty deep about that bag. You can't put
Speaker 1: twenty niggas in the same house. Yeah, but.
Speaker 2: Also the trauma, the experience is different, and to compare
Speaker 2: them is just kind of not It's just really being
Speaker 2: lazy intellectually.
Speaker 1: Now see, now the experience is different, and I agree
Speaker 1: with that, But that's to start this off. I said
Speaker 1: that we lack the love for ourselves.
Speaker 2: But it's not love, and that's what I'm saying. That's
Speaker 2: not true. If you put any poor group of people together,
Speaker 2: they do the exact same thing. Remember, we just start
Speaker 2: street life in Los Angeles. You know, the first street
Speaker 2: gangs in La or La County was not started by
Speaker 2: black people. You know, the oldest street gang in Los
Speaker 2: Angeles is a gang in East LA. They had a
Speaker 2: rival before the first black street gang popped up. White
Speaker 2: Fence had a rival before the first black Street gang
Speaker 2: ever came to the Los Angeles County.
Speaker 1: And it was another. So you know that in any
Speaker 1: poor ethnic group, right, So when the Somalians come over here,
Speaker 1: are they not poor? Or or when the Agans or
Speaker 1: the Koreans like you said Korean town, they started a
Speaker 1: Korean town. So guess what they're doing. They build it economic,
Speaker 1: a system in their thing where they keep their money
Speaker 1: within each other. They say, the black people, black people
Speaker 1: in America are the group that the dollar stays the
Speaker 1: least in their community.
Speaker 3: We gonna spend our money with everybody else but us, right,
Speaker 3: we're talking about poor people, and actually black people are
Speaker 3: not even poor. They say, we got the most, the
Speaker 3: biggest spending habit in America. So if we had the
Speaker 3: biggest spending habit with the most camaraderie in love for
Speaker 3: each other, right, we would spend with each other. When
Speaker 3: I say that about I say that the hate or
Speaker 3: the I feel like that we are being taught of
Speaker 3: self hatred. It's not conscious, bro, it's unconscious.
Speaker 2: It's not about self hatred. Again, that's like using the
Speaker 2: term black on black crime. There are no crimes because
Speaker 2: there are black on black crimes. You've never done a
Speaker 2: crime to another person in your life, even in your
Speaker 2: most ignorant face, just because they were black. You never
Speaker 2: met a person that you didn't like just because they
Speaker 2: were black. That's disingenuous. That's disingenuous to the cause of
Speaker 2: what's happening.
Speaker 5: This is the first conversation that we had at Signal Hill,
Speaker 5: the first time I went to the Single Hills studio
Speaker 5: I don't know how many years ago, with Malcolm and
Speaker 5: some guy from Oakland who I think was an engineer
Speaker 5: or something like that.
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's pretty funny.
Speaker 1: No, this is deep. But it's like, Okay, so listen,
Speaker 1: you've never consciously done done a crime to a guy
Speaker 1: that's black. But let me ask you this, then, right,
Speaker 1: I believe it's subconscious.
Speaker 2: I don't know I've done I've done crime to black people,
Speaker 2: but not because they were black, Not consciously, I believe.
Speaker 3: Not not consciously, I know.
Speaker 2: But you've never done a crime to somebody because they
Speaker 2: were black.
Speaker 3: I believe it was subconsciously.
Speaker 1: I believe that we are impregnated from a very young age,
Speaker 1: just like the rest of the world, to have to
Speaker 1: look at It's not a hatred.
Speaker 3: I'll take that. I'll take the hatred back.
Speaker 1: But it's still a huge point.
Speaker 3: It's how you, it's how you thank you. That's why
Speaker 3: I knew it.
Speaker 2: Was well no, because I definitely want you to make
Speaker 2: sure it's not it's not it's not hatred.
Speaker 3: It's not hatred.
Speaker 1: But I call it a self hate. But if we're
Speaker 1: going to be you know what I'm saying semantic about it.
Speaker 1: It's not a hatred, but it's a it's a certain perspective.
Speaker 1: It's just like the white lady. She might be not
Speaker 1: be like hate black people in a way, but if
Speaker 1: she's a crossing the streets, she's across the street and
Speaker 1: some black guys are coming and she got her person,
Speaker 1: might clinch her person a little tighter, or she might
Speaker 1: cross the street. That's a subconscious thing. That's something that
Speaker 1: that hold on my life when it that's something that
Speaker 1: it's not in the forefront of your mind. So I
Speaker 1: believe that we are taught self hate from the very beginning.
Speaker 1: We're taught to put us, as in black people down,
Speaker 1: just like in schools, right, we learned about slavery, but
Speaker 1: I didn't get to know we were kings and queens,
Speaker 1: that we made math, we made mathematics, we created the
Speaker 1: sun died, that the name Memphis, that that they went
Speaker 1: into Africa and they stole so many things from us.
Speaker 1: I didn't know how great we were until I went
Speaker 1: to prison. I was sitting right next to uh, you know,
Speaker 1: it's probably only two white guys in my class, but
Speaker 1: let's just say I was in the class with a
Speaker 1: white guy, and they was telling me that my peoples
Speaker 1: were slaves, that that we was, you know, monkeys in
Speaker 1: the field, running around in the in fucking Africa, in
Speaker 1: the wilderness.
Speaker 3: And they basically they civilized us.
Speaker 1: So we're not intelligent. Niggas ain't smart because we had
Speaker 1: to come over here to even become human. You feel me,
Speaker 1: And this is what was subconsciously impregnated in my mind.
Speaker 1: So I developed probably to have a lack of love
Speaker 1: for myself and for show for another nigga.
Speaker 3: But it might not even be love.
Speaker 1: We could say respect because when the police, these these motherfuckers, bro,
Speaker 1: they'll fight the government for what they feel is right.
Speaker 1: These motherfuckers is creating suicide bombers. Nigga that's thinking about
Speaker 1: doing shit for generations and generations we suicide bombing each
Speaker 1: other for some ship that started thirty years ago over
Speaker 1: a bitch or shooting dice.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but that's again to minimize it, right, some things are.
Speaker 1: Everybody's whole world.
Speaker 2: Like, so again this all goes back to the same
Speaker 2: conversation of class.
Speaker 3: Like you said something specifically.
Speaker 2: About how the black dollar works, right, he got you
Speaker 2: ever noticed over there, bro?
Speaker 1: Yeah, he always writes.
Speaker 3: Taking note he's knows because if you don't know, because I.
Speaker 1: Know, somebody will make a point and then kind of
Speaker 1: keep going and you gotta that point. Let me let
Speaker 1: me so I can have a response.
Speaker 2: Well, no, it's it's I'm listening to your whole point.
Speaker 2: But I want to make sure, like when we're talking
Speaker 2: about I want to listen to you. So when I'm
Speaker 2: when I'm talking to someone else, I'm writing down what
Speaker 2: they're saying. That are the things that stick out in
Speaker 2: my mind, like respect That something I told Pete. I
Speaker 2: figured out intelligence is not the ability to speak, it's
Speaker 2: the ability to listen, listening in you know what I mean,
Speaker 2: to really internalize what you're saying and really not to
Speaker 2: like because what you're saying could make me feel a
Speaker 2: certain way. But if I'm listening now, it has no emotions.
Speaker 2: It's like, Okay, let's get down to what we're talking about.
Speaker 2: So true intelligence is the ability to listen in process.
Speaker 2: It ain't about how I respond to you. That all
Speaker 2: goes into me listening to you. So I'm listening to
Speaker 2: you for real, I'm not just talking. I'm listening and
Speaker 2: I'm not and I'm not listening to respond. I'm listening
Speaker 2: to you again the same thing you're you know, you
Speaker 2: the critical of other black people. It's like I'm showing
Speaker 2: you firsthand without even thinking about it, this is how
Speaker 2: you treat another person.
Speaker 1: Nah, you wise bro, And that's dope for sure. So
Speaker 1: pointed it out.
Speaker 2: So like with black dollars, it's also because people form
Speaker 2: businesses in our community first, like growing up like I
Speaker 2: grew up in Compton and watched my whole life in
Speaker 2: the Richland Farms and one hundred and seventeenth Street. Everybody
Speaker 2: had businesses in that community and Compton. The Asian people
Speaker 2: around Louisiana chicken as long as I can remember. I
Speaker 2: don't want to say with specific group of Asians. Maybe
Speaker 2: they were Koreans, I'm not sure, but I don't want
Speaker 2: to be ignorant. It's always been others right in our
Speaker 2: specific community monetizing the black dollars. So it's like a
Speaker 2: it's not like a true desire to go out and
Speaker 2: spend money with other people, right. What it is is
Speaker 2: where you need to spend money that's the most convenient,
Speaker 2: happens to be with other people.
Speaker 3: Same and loan Beach.
Speaker 2: Right, So I listen, I think there's a lot of
Speaker 2: things fractured in La street urban lifestyle. There are a
Speaker 2: lot of things fractured, But I don't think it's truly
Speaker 2: a self hate. I think again, we're in these small,
Speaker 2: really many wars based off of limited resources and limited opportunities,
Speaker 2: so you start to overvalue pride, and pride becomes the
Speaker 2: fall for all of us. It has I don't think
Speaker 2: it's I've never saw brother in my life. Listen, when
Speaker 2: I sold PCP every day, I don't care if your
Speaker 2: skin was as bright or as clear as peats, or
Speaker 2: if you was as dark as motherfucking if you was
Speaker 2: as dark as Hussein Boat, as whosain boat, you could
Speaker 2: get this work. You could for sure buy some PCP
Speaker 2: for me, sure, right, I don't care if I'm walking
Speaker 2: down the street and you are as clear as Casper
Speaker 2: the Ghost or you as dark as a black Air
Speaker 2: as a Black Air Force one. If you put your
Speaker 2: hand on me, you would get your ass will or
Speaker 2: We're gonna be in a fight, whether I win or lose, right,
Speaker 2: And I think that's the same for every person that
Speaker 2: comes from our lifestile.
Speaker 1: Just what we talked.
Speaker 3: I see what you're saying.
Speaker 2: But again we're boxed in right into this really small
Speaker 2: area where it's just us, so all our problems can
Speaker 2: look like usha pete of couestion.
Speaker 5: I mean, because if you take that proximity application, which
Speaker 5: I think is viable in l As, it's definitely viable.
Speaker 5: I mean, you'll be for the Mexican gang if they're
Speaker 5: the closest. You know, like I say, you eat.
Speaker 1: Wife wife fence.
Speaker 2: My wife fence in Myti Vea is probably the oldest
Speaker 2: gang beef in Los Angeles street urban lifestyle.
Speaker 5: Yeah them, And I think that old like what KYE
Speaker 5: fourteen or whatever that got moved out over the fesses
Speaker 5: the forties whatever the people.
Speaker 4: But like.
Speaker 5: So I don't want to misspeak, but I thought he's
Speaker 5: said you had a dozen time.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yes, sir, So when you're in about misspeaking, man,
Speaker 1: you know.
Speaker 4: I don't I don't want to eat for somebody that's incorrect.
Speaker 1: You know what I mean? For the right Yeah, but
Speaker 1: but just you know, if it's incorrect, we'll corrected. But
Speaker 1: you don't have to just be you bro.
Speaker 5: But and and and and then an in a condensed
Speaker 5: proximity environment on the inside like that, just that that
Speaker 5: dynamic change where it's more solidarity against other groups in
Speaker 5: that proximity where you where you see that you know,
Speaker 5: not so much in fighting, but more so outfighting in
Speaker 5: that perspective prime example.
Speaker 2: That's a great point, Like that was good, and that's
Speaker 2: a but, but that's the point when you fucking Peter,
Speaker 2: this is this is why.
Speaker 4: Fuck with you two or three minutes an hour.
Speaker 3: Look, look you know how you wrote the stuff down.
Speaker 3: It's two th I want to respond to what you.
Speaker 1: Said, That's what I'm saying.
Speaker 3: But this is a great a great point too.
Speaker 1: And I gotta I have a response to both of them.
Speaker 1: What what you You made a point about the limited
Speaker 1: resources and that and and I was like, that's a
Speaker 1: good point. Basically that it's because we're around each other
Speaker 1: and we already fucked up, we're uneducated or whatever. We're
Speaker 1: lashing out on each other, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: And most people who have limited resources, they fight over resources.
Speaker 1: I want to point out that we don't fight over
Speaker 1: resources in the hood. We fight over dumb shit and
Speaker 1: we take wars into it. But I understand what you're saying,
Speaker 1: and we lack resources. The confusion is that we don't
Speaker 1: fight over resources. Right, that's not true.
Speaker 2: Again, even if you think it's dumb, Like let's say
Speaker 2: there's big gang wars that start over just the right
Speaker 2: to women, that that again becomes exactly number one thing
Speaker 2: priority as well.
Speaker 1: So that would be so it would be just because
Speaker 1: they're ignorant, not because they don't love each other. But
Speaker 1: this is what I would say then, right, I would
Speaker 1: say that if we had more of a love for
Speaker 1: if I viewed you as a black man, right, Because
Speaker 1: the Jewish community they have money, but they have poor
Speaker 1: Jewish communities, but they follow a guideline in the structure,
Speaker 1: and they have love for this man because he's Jewish.
Speaker 1: There's already a camaraderie for them because.
Speaker 2: You know that you have gangs where they used to
Speaker 2: kill each other. There were Jewish gangsters. Right, So everybody
Speaker 2: fights to a certain extent. Bro, we're here, you know,
Speaker 2: I'm saying the way we did. Like if you ever
Speaker 2: notice our street urban lifestyle, we're named like a lot
Speaker 2: of people from our communities are named after white people.
Speaker 2: Like there's a ton of compones, there's a ton of seagulls.
Speaker 2: All of these are Italian or Jewish names. And it's
Speaker 2: not because they were some kind of revolutionary type of gangster.
Speaker 2: There wasn't no revolutionary type of gangster. They was gangster
Speaker 2: just like us, trying to make a living. And again,
Speaker 2: the closest person, the poorer you are, right, and locks
Speaker 2: you into a vicinity of where you feel stuck and
Speaker 2: you want to control that exact small area.
Speaker 3: That's why why white people ain't banging on each other
Speaker 3: in trailer parks like that.
Speaker 1: They do not. I'm not saying they don't fight, but
Speaker 1: there's not this fucking trailer park. The Omaha Trailer Park
Speaker 1: is over here, shooting the the Tucson trailer park, and
Speaker 1: they right across the street from each other. White people
Speaker 1: have a sense of pride in being Caucasian, period, point blank.
Speaker 3: Yes, they do know, and they look at it.
Speaker 1: I mean culturally, I don't mean every white person look
Speaker 1: at black people a certain way simply because they're black.
Speaker 2: Now, ignorance might fall off. Hold on, hold on, let
Speaker 2: me let me just defeat just the thought of it now.
Speaker 2: And again, it's not like this is probably the most
Speaker 2: argument we ever had.
Speaker 4: That's but.
Speaker 1: They and we disagree. I think I agree in somebody.
Speaker 2: Let me make this point. Then, how do you have
Speaker 2: mafias and mobs who do you think they fight with?
Speaker 1: But they're fighting over resources. They're not killing each other
Speaker 1: because you from across the street. That's money.
Speaker 2: That disingenuous, that's disingenuous to our struggle. To say we
Speaker 2: fight the twenties ain't fighting insane because y'all live across
Speaker 2: the street.
Speaker 1: That's just not true.
Speaker 2: One hundred and seventy Street ain't fighting with the Mona
Speaker 2: Parks because they live on the next street. The Great
Speaker 2: Streets and the bottom hunters. So again, that's your being
Speaker 2: emotionally like irresponsible with why our communities get into it
Speaker 2: with each other consistently. It's not because we're black, or
Speaker 2: because we live across the street.
Speaker 1: So I said that, I said because we live across street,
Speaker 1: or I said the white boys from Omaha are not
Speaker 1: fighting the trailer park across the street.
Speaker 3: They don't.
Speaker 1: And guess what, And I guarantee you a white guy
Speaker 1: over here has had a situation with the across the
Speaker 1: street trailer park.
Speaker 3: Right.
Speaker 1: But because we're talking about poor white people, I don't
Speaker 1: want anybody thinking I'm attacking white people. But we had
Speaker 1: to say poor because we're not talking about the suburbs, right. Okay,
Speaker 1: So they've probably had personal beefs, but it didn't turn
Speaker 1: into this whole trailer park hates this whole trailer park
Speaker 1: and they'll shoot you in front of your kid. Bro.
Speaker 3: It didn't turn into that, okay, Because I've been.
Speaker 5: Toying with, like, I'm big on social paradigms and comparatively
Speaker 5: speaking and stuff, and I was toying with the idea
Speaker 5: the other day if you picked up all of the
Speaker 5: poor Appellachian white people or whatever and highly concentrated black
Speaker 5: communities and moved them such that the per square foot
Speaker 5: or the per square mile population inverted, how that would
Speaker 5: impact crime rates? Because the all the other I mean,
Speaker 5: the education, the you know, the poverty that all those
Speaker 5: you know, the tax bracket ascension, all those things are
Speaker 5: fairly comparable. But the geography is not quite so comfortable.
Speaker 5: So I don't know enough of it. Seems like when
Speaker 5: when when white people get poor, when we get poor,
Speaker 5: we disappear. We don't we don't get a nice big
Speaker 5: spot in the middle of a really expensive metropolitan area.
Speaker 5: We go the fuck on. So I don't know to
Speaker 5: what degree that has an impact. And we're talking bigger
Speaker 5: aggregate numbers, and I don't know every little nuanced corner
Speaker 5: of Ohio from Arkansas for whatever else where. There might
Speaker 5: be small case studies of more densities that I just
Speaker 5: don't know them.
Speaker 1: Okay, so you guys, are you guys are familiar with
Speaker 1: the Black Panther Party origin?
Speaker 4: Sure?
Speaker 1: What's the more the more science the Nation of Islam?
Speaker 1: If let me let me let me ask you this
Speaker 1: that the origin of these movements was part of their
Speaker 1: their their structure was to create a love for black people, right,
Speaker 1: and to understand that you are a king and you
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying, right, the origin of that was
Speaker 1: to look at you like you're my brother and every
Speaker 1: other black man in your community and to come together.
Speaker 1: Even the Nation of Islam, they say, we're not a religion.
Speaker 1: We want to make a nation, we want to build
Speaker 1: a nation, right, So, and I'm not And I'm telling you, guys,
Speaker 1: I understand your mind. And even if we can agree
Speaker 1: to disagree on this, we still have to agree that
Speaker 1: we need to do better as a people. I'm sure, right,
Speaker 1: But let me ask you this, right, I know you, guys,
Speaker 1: I don't know.
Speaker 3: I know you hip to cointail Pro. Right, hit to
Speaker 3: cointail Pro.
Speaker 1: Your name is Phil right, Philip, Peter, Peter, My bad,
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, I'm sorry intail Pro. Right, You're not Okayquintail
Speaker 1: Pro was started by a guy by the name of
Speaker 1: Jay Edgar Hoover. Right. You know, I don't know if
Speaker 1: he founded the FBI, right, but he was a powerful
Speaker 1: force in the FBI. Quintail Pro was a whole secret
Speaker 1: service operation to disintegrate the powerful black groups in America.
Speaker 1: They said that the black like intelligent black man is
Speaker 1: the biggest threat to America. So they went and they
Speaker 1: infiltrated these groups and locked all these guys up. They
Speaker 1: bombed houses with kids, they did all types of stuff.
Speaker 1: So what I'm gonna ask you, glasses, right, if you
Speaker 1: don't think that it's no nothing, because after all of
Speaker 1: these groups got this decimated, right, and they were all
Speaker 1: locked up, and that that type of ideology stopped being
Speaker 1: pressed into our minds. This is when gang banging emerged
Speaker 1: and the hate towards each other because they was pressing
Speaker 1: black love and black power. Right after that happened, we
Speaker 1: ain't we been totally like at the bottom of this, right,
Speaker 1: So if that doesn't have anything to do with it,
Speaker 1: why has it had this much effect that these black leaders,
Speaker 1: these intelligent black men who were preaching black power and
Speaker 1: love for the black men, they're gone and now we.
Speaker 3: Hate each other? Okay, So then why would it be
Speaker 3: so important for.
Speaker 1: The CIA to structure a secret operation to infiltrate these
Speaker 1: groups and get rid of them.
Speaker 3: So I don't disagree that.
Speaker 2: Again, the SACE systemic oppression that has been on the
Speaker 2: American cold since you know, the Pilgrims or the white
Speaker 2: folks that came to this land. You know what I'm saying,
Speaker 2: that still exists. So there's always going to be a
Speaker 2: jab at true black power structures. I mean that that
Speaker 2: will never change. That happened then now, then it's gonna
Speaker 2: happen forever right now, to which degree of concentration you
Speaker 2: I mean, I don't know. But again, there were gangs
Speaker 2: at that time, right, Remember the Black Panthers were actually
Speaker 2: beefing with another militant group called US.
Speaker 3: At the time. I see, I ain't hit to that.
Speaker 2: Look up US. You hear a lot more. It's a
Speaker 2: lot to that story. And it's not that black people
Speaker 2: innately don't get along with each other human beings, right,
Speaker 2: anything that's in the same vicinity. When there's a lower
Speaker 2: amount of resources opportunity in capital, it creates a fight
Speaker 2: for simple things like resources, and pride starts to become
Speaker 2: a valuable thing. Right again, Okay, one thing that nobody
Speaker 2: talks about is how much fighting and crime is on
Speaker 2: the is on the actual h how much fighting and
Speaker 2: crime is on the Indian Reserve, the Native reserves in California.
Speaker 2: Most people don't know how crazy it is. Again, I
Speaker 2: could tell you about East LA. The exact same thing
Speaker 2: happening in Loan Beach and what would be called the
Speaker 2: East Side of Long Beach, or in Wives or in
Speaker 2: Compton is happening in East LA. When you say white
Speaker 2: people have this false sense of self pride in their
Speaker 2: self in Boston, they fought each other for years forever.
Speaker 2: Remember some of the first gangster movies in law like
Speaker 2: in the history of film is The Godfather, which is
Speaker 2: white people killing white people for anything and everything. It
Speaker 2: wasn't always about it wasn't always about oh you know what,
Speaker 2: it was a million dollars. It could be over very
Speaker 2: simple things. Again, when you don't have a way to
Speaker 2: take care of your family, your thought goes into a
Speaker 2: real sense of primitive thought. Everything is handled primitively. It's
Speaker 2: not with hate, right, you were saying white people, right,
Speaker 2: the hat filling McCoy's that's like an old white beef
Speaker 2: that lasted longer than any gang war, longer than the
Speaker 2: insains and twenties, longer than the sixties, and they changed
Speaker 2: longer than the gray streets and bounty hunters. And to
Speaker 2: peace point, that is true when when white people are poor,
Speaker 2: true poor white people move out to the desert away
Speaker 2: from humans. Right, they do a really good job, right
Speaker 2: they got but those yeah, but but those trailer parks
Speaker 2: are also like it's.
Speaker 3: Different if you have a trailer.
Speaker 2: I would say, And it's different if you have a
Speaker 2: trailer park in the city of Buena Park, Right, that's
Speaker 2: like if you put like just one project in the.
Speaker 3: Center of Buena Park.
Speaker 2: It probably wouldn't be as the same if you put
Speaker 2: four projects in this little area called Watts, Right, if
Speaker 2: you take one ghetto and put it in the center
Speaker 2: of Beverly Hills, it's not probably gonna be as violent
Speaker 2: as it was when it was surrounded by the same
Speaker 2: type of poverty.
Speaker 3: I mean they have, they have poverty.
Speaker 1: They have states that are just probably what ninety Caucasian,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean?
Speaker 3: Utah, what are you talking about? Montana? These places, and I'm.
Speaker 1: Pretty sure they have white people living below the poverty
Speaker 1: level or poverty level, and they're not.
Speaker 4: They're not.
Speaker 3: There's poor people everywhere.
Speaker 1: You feel me, it's not the numbers that what I'm
Speaker 1: doing in Chicago, they don't have an LA it's not.
Speaker 3: It's not to the degree.
Speaker 5: There are physically more poor white human beings breathing air
Speaker 5: in America right now than any other race at all.
Speaker 5: I missed saying that the they're per square mile populations
Speaker 5: are way lower.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you're saying they're not as as they're not as
Speaker 1: dense in an area there.
Speaker 4: They might need.
Speaker 5: Four hundred thousand of them in Ohio, but you gotta
Speaker 5: there's not enough of them.
Speaker 4: I don't even think in.
Speaker 5: A concentration not to fight each other, but to become assimilated,
Speaker 5: to to want to bond up with each other.
Speaker 2: Three, here's a question for you. Right, here's a question
Speaker 2: for you. The term ghetto is a Jewish term, right.
Speaker 2: It was a kind of a negative Jewish term, right,
Speaker 2: to talk about poor places that Jewish people live.
Speaker 5: Was a term that they used for the Holocaust, where
Speaker 5: they just placed them two.
Speaker 2: Right, and they just let everybody be poor. Same thing, right,
Speaker 2: it's all root and the same thing. Right, I'm saying,
Speaker 2: show me a poor ghetto in southern California, a poor
Speaker 2: white ghetto in southern California, right now, right, Like, tell
Speaker 2: me we've been here our whole lives. You've been a
Speaker 2: lone beach. You didn't been to Compton, you didn't been
Speaker 2: to South Central. Tell me one poor white neighborhood that's there.
Speaker 1: I can't. I couldn't tell you that, not not in
Speaker 1: Solitary's because the white people that be poor, they be
Speaker 1: they'll be right there, most of them. But they probably
Speaker 1: got some. They got some communities. This white they got
Speaker 1: a poor side of town.
Speaker 3: We just ain't here.
Speaker 1: Probably, if I can only I don't think. I don't
Speaker 1: think it's about him. Yeah, I don't think it's about it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: they they don't. They don't live together, they don't gentrify
Speaker 1: them in that way. Basically, it's not I don't. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you know, somebody somebody saying him and Barstow, but.
Speaker 4: They're peppered in these areas, they're small.
Speaker 3: So so with you guys, Okay, so places like that.
Speaker 1: Your point is that the reason why we are fighting
Speaker 1: each other the way we are is simply just because
Speaker 1: we are poor and disenfranchised.
Speaker 2: It has on top of each other because you know
Speaker 2: why East l A fight each other the same way
Speaker 2: and there's not a black person there.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I understand that, but I feel like that's because
Speaker 1: they've taken on the gang culture.
Speaker 2: But they they started the gang culture, okay, and and
Speaker 2: and and it's black people around other states that had
Speaker 2: in the streets there.
Speaker 3: They didn't. They're not taking on our identity. That's just
Speaker 3: not true.
Speaker 2: They created the culture that we're talking about, saying all over.
Speaker 1: The world, because there's Asian nations, there's Middle Eastern nations,
Speaker 1: there's all over the world, there's going to be poor
Speaker 1: groups of people killing each other at the rate that
Speaker 1: African Americans are in the inner cities of America. One,
Speaker 1: and we're gonna say that that what we're doing has
Speaker 1: nothing to do like, they didn't play any type of
Speaker 1: mental game on us with the education, They didn't play
Speaker 1: any type of game on us, with the perpetuating this
Speaker 1: music and allowing us like I could get on the
Speaker 1: record right now talking about killing the nigga they run
Speaker 1: the industry. Right, I could get on the record right
Speaker 1: now talking about going in your house and shooting your
Speaker 1: mama and your kids. Right, But I can't get on
Speaker 1: here and say anything about a homosexual, Get on here
Speaker 1: and say anything about a jew without being attacked and
Speaker 1: get it, you know what I'm saying, right, and and
Speaker 1: all of these different things. But we're saying that none
Speaker 1: of this has anything to do with this. They didn't
Speaker 1: play any type of game with us. I'm just delusional,
Speaker 1: and we're only we're doing every what everybody else would do.
Speaker 3: None of these things matter, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: The way they treat us, uh, the way the way
Speaker 1: they police because even in the ghetto communities they police different.
Speaker 1: In the suburbs or in the white communities, they actually
Speaker 1: police when they're in our communities.
Speaker 3: They're there to.
Speaker 1: Keep us in line, jumping out on us and when
Speaker 1: we kids slamming us on cars. People, you don't.
Speaker 2: Notice how you speak when you say the white community,
Speaker 2: then you raise the class of what's going on there,
Speaker 2: like you like you just said, you know the suburbs
Speaker 2: or the white communities where there's money right every poor place,
Speaker 2: go those through the exact same thing.
Speaker 3: We gotta get stats on this.
Speaker 5: We gotta get that guy, all right, who's the guy
Speaker 5: who was the boxer, skinny white dude middleweight from like
Speaker 5: Youngstown or Toledo, Ohio who won and then kind.
Speaker 4: Of tapered off you know what I'm talking about, like
Speaker 4: ten years ago.
Speaker 1: No, damn it.
Speaker 4: We gotta get him on the show because he's from
Speaker 4: one of those towns.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and that's what I'm telling John Wick has four versions.
Speaker 2: So for whatever gangster rapper, you could tie all the
Speaker 2: gangster rap you want to together. You could tie all
Speaker 2: the drill you want to together. They don't kill as
Speaker 2: many motherfuckers as John Wick do. They don't kill as
Speaker 2: many mother I saw this movie called The Beekeeper. Shout
Speaker 2: out to Amazon, Shout out to Jason uh stayum and
Speaker 2: and and and and Claire Huxtable.
Speaker 3: What's her character.
Speaker 2: From Cosby that dude got mad because she killed herself
Speaker 2: and went killed four hundred and sixty six white people
Speaker 2: in like one hundred minutes.
Speaker 1: That's a good point. Again, I think it's the industry
Speaker 1: that has perpetuated white on white violence, right.
Speaker 2: I mean historically, if you look at every Cowboy movie,
Speaker 2: they killed two hundred motherfuckers every movie. That's their entertainment,
Speaker 2: and it's based off a level of fact. I think
Speaker 2: it's easier movie whatever, whatever, just entertainment. I mean because
Speaker 2: people can go and saying I'm saying okay.
Speaker 1: Music is a little bit.
Speaker 4: About killing ourselves individually.
Speaker 2: Corridos corridos, right, like corridos from Mexican.
Speaker 3: Right, they talk about knocking motherfuckers off in every song
Speaker 3: you said, who are they?
Speaker 2: It's a Mexican group, gangster rap for Mexican people where
Speaker 2: they sing they been knocking each other off on them
Speaker 2: songs a million times.
Speaker 1: But they're not.
Speaker 3: You cannot blame the art that reflects circle glasses. There's
Speaker 3: no type of nothing going on where we're under.
Speaker 1: Any type of We agree we are under attack, but
Speaker 1: I mean so the corntail pro that's not that's all real.
Speaker 2: I'm listen all of that. Yeah, I'm in agreement that
Speaker 2: these things are real. I'm saying, but black people have
Speaker 2: been targeted in this country since, right, we're talking about
Speaker 2: the sixteen hundreds when slavery started, right, So yes, but
Speaker 2: you're saying that's the reason these things are happening. You're
Speaker 2: saying we're being irresponsible and that's why this is happening.
Speaker 2: I'm telling you, no, this happens when you do this
Speaker 2: to any group of people Native Mexican, White, Asian. If
Speaker 2: you put them and you put them on top each other,
Speaker 2: and you give them limited resources and their opportunities seem bleak,
Speaker 2: they're going to function primitive.
Speaker 3: Okay.
Speaker 2: Ukraine and Russia are at war right now. You could
Speaker 2: tie all the game banging together in the circle, all
Speaker 2: game banging deaths because y'all, because niggas ain't really killing
Speaker 2: each other like your niggas is so dramatic. Niggas ain't
Speaker 2: really killing each other the way we're talking about the
Speaker 2: twenties and insayings ain't got two hundred deaths. And you
Speaker 2: niggas all know each other your whole life, so again,
Speaker 2: it's over sensationalized.
Speaker 3: Right, go to Ukraine and Russia.
Speaker 2: They didn't kill more people than gangs have killed since
Speaker 2: sixty nine.
Speaker 3: I don't know if we got I don't know if
Speaker 3: we got two hundred deaths.
Speaker 1: But no, you talk about if we talk about La
Speaker 1: County and we talk about it, there was a time
Speaker 1: where there was like a thousand deaths a year. You
Speaker 1: feel me, that's that's more than one. That's that's that's
Speaker 1: a couple. That's like three niggas a night. Oh, nobody,
Speaker 1: nobody is loose. Nobody the Asians are not in were
Speaker 1: talking about when you're talking about Mexican listen, listen, we're
Speaker 1: talking about war where it is over a resource or
Speaker 1: something that has to do.
Speaker 3: With saying that that's not true. But most of what
Speaker 3: are the wars about?
Speaker 1: Oil?
Speaker 2: Dumbat You know, that's something that they tell black people,
Speaker 2: the same dumb ass ship that all wars is about.
Speaker 2: You think when we went did you've seen what happened
Speaker 2: on nine to eleven? You remember that what was that over?
Speaker 3: What oil? What was that over?
Speaker 2: Why did we start knocking off motherfuckers left and right?
Speaker 2: We knocking off one hundred motherfuckers a day to try
Speaker 2: to get to a motherfucker that it took us twenty
Speaker 2: years to get to.
Speaker 1: We didn't get the money to get the oil off.
Speaker 3: No, no they didn't. That's all fabrication.
Speaker 1: The look before they got the sun, before he got caught,
Speaker 1: he burned all the oil fields up because he knew
Speaker 1: what they was coming for us.
Speaker 2: All that did, all that cap is cap The reality
Speaker 2: is this is America can humans.
Speaker 3: Let's just let's just go to humans.
Speaker 2: They bomb two buildings, right, They ran planes in two buildings, right,
Speaker 2: one building, second building. Did America say, you know what,
Speaker 2: we need to sit down and resolve this so nobody
Speaker 2: else has to die. No, that didn't happen. They didn't
Speaker 2: sit down and be like, you know what, we're elite,
Speaker 2: we're white people. We're gonna get down with these people.
Speaker 2: We're gonna sit down and solve this problem amicably so
Speaker 2: no one else has to die. No, you know what
Speaker 2: they did. They sent the motherfucking drones. You know how
Speaker 2: many presidents they went through sending.
Speaker 3: The drones over them?
Speaker 2: Handful of motherfuckers that die in that building because you
Speaker 2: know why, in the back of their mind shouldn't nobody
Speaker 2: fuck with America. Again, our issues in our community are
Speaker 2: not unique to black people.
Speaker 3: The only thing that's.
Speaker 2: Unique to black people in this country is that white
Speaker 2: people is putting their foot on your neck.
Speaker 3: That's the only thing unique.
Speaker 2: Because I mean, we could compare ourselves to people maybe
Speaker 2: in Palestine, because maybe somebody putting their foot on their neck.
Speaker 2: But a lot of the beefs start over people fighting
Speaker 2: over valuing pride. But that's a human thing for a
Speaker 2: lot of men. I'm not saying there's nothing wrong with
Speaker 2: gang banging. There's a million things wrong with gang banging.
Speaker 2: There's nothing unique about gang banging. I see what, I
Speaker 2: see what you're saying, there's nothing unique.
Speaker 3: I don't believe that.
Speaker 1: I don't believe that there's anything unique about gang banging.
Speaker 1: I believe that you know what I'm saying, that's been
Speaker 1: going on from beginning the time. But I feel like
Speaker 1: that there is something unique with.
Speaker 3: The way. We don't have no cultural pride or.
Speaker 2: No do you think right now in Russian and Ukraine
Speaker 2: they thinking todayself they fucking up the hospitals. Let me
Speaker 2: tell you something real rush right right now, they're shooting
Speaker 2: up fucking hospitals.
Speaker 1: These motherfuckers is crazy.
Speaker 3: They're blowing up free with they don't give a fuck. Yeah,
Speaker 3: it's a fight, but what but what is it? What
Speaker 3: is it?
Speaker 1: Over?
Speaker 3: Though not?
Speaker 1: This is the point that you gotta think these are
Speaker 1: two they're they're they look at each other like two
Speaker 1: different ethnic groups. Though no, they don't.
Speaker 2: They literally the same people. They just split up the
Speaker 2: other day. They actually split up around the same time
Speaker 2: Crips and Blood split up.
Speaker 1: With Ukraine. That's how they split up, was that in
Speaker 1: the sixty seventies.
Speaker 4: It's weird. That's been going on up over thousand years
Speaker 4: over there.
Speaker 3: I'm in Ukraine and Russia specifically, you're.
Speaker 5: Talking the Soviet Union in Ukraine came apart in like
Speaker 5: the nineties, I want to say, but they they were
Speaker 5: kind of artificially created because half of it Ukraine was
Speaker 5: never really a country like that.
Speaker 1: CAUs you're saying, they're all Caucasians and they're and they're
Speaker 1: you know, somebody over there thinking to theyself, Hey, I'm white,
Speaker 1: I'm white.
Speaker 2: You know what, we need to sit down and have
Speaker 2: a reasonable conversation and make it because we're white and
Speaker 2: we have nothing, you know what it is, kill them
Speaker 2: niggas now, But what.
Speaker 1: Is over It's nothing, okay, two different countries. You have
Speaker 1: to be talking about something major. We talking about niggas
Speaker 1: across the street to have.
Speaker 2: You only feel that way because you think white people
Speaker 2: have to have a more serious reason to fight. And see,
Speaker 2: this is kind of where it can be disingenuous. It's like,
Speaker 2: trust me, the same thing you fighting over. It's the
Speaker 2: same thing white people fighting over. Wealthy people and poor
Speaker 2: people fight over the same shit. Pride ride. They might
Speaker 2: not fight you, or they might not fight in general,
Speaker 2: but they are fighting over the same thing. They not
Speaker 2: fighting over. No fucking oil, these people. That's the lie
Speaker 2: that we believe. In the back of arm man, I
Speaker 2: watch games get into it because another dude was selling
Speaker 2: dope in their neighborhood. I don't know if that's really
Speaker 2: worth fighting over.
Speaker 1: You make you got.
Speaker 5: It's all scale and it's all competition and control. I mean,
Speaker 5: like you look at this even happens like at the
Speaker 5: corporate level. You see strategic alliances form and break amongst
Speaker 5: companies trying to jostle for power in a marketplace. They
Speaker 5: don't shoot each others to drive the other one broke
Speaker 5: ass out of business, you know, send everybody home.
Speaker 1: You just saying beef is beef, and the way they
Speaker 1: beefing in the hood is just it's because they're in
Speaker 1: the hood, you feel me, and so you know, I
Speaker 1: can't understand.
Speaker 3: I hear with you large I think like to.
Speaker 5: Your point that I support, like there's a good portion
Speaker 5: of like white America and also like as it's defined,
Speaker 5: all of like traditional black Americans that have been here
Speaker 5: a very very long time, like longer than where you
Speaker 5: came from matters, you know what I mean, And that
Speaker 5: have moved around a lot too, So you might have
Speaker 5: had something where you get some families that all moved
Speaker 5: here from Alabama and some other families have moved here
Speaker 5: from Louisiana, and this is a fight. They don't like
Speaker 5: each other this group, and people know each other, they
Speaker 5: know each other, and all of a sudden, they just
Speaker 5: don't like each other, you know, but they don't care
Speaker 5: because they've been there so long.
Speaker 4: That's just what they you know.
Speaker 1: So you're saying that there's cultures basically people don't have
Speaker 1: a cultural pride and a sense of cultural love or
Speaker 1: ethnic love where they won't you know what I'm saying, clash.
Speaker 1: They don't know that they're all supposed to be working together.
Speaker 1: You feel me.
Speaker 5: Once once it becomes a matter of what was, it
Speaker 5: ceases to be a matter of necessity because of a
Speaker 5: language barrier or because you just got there recently, or
Speaker 5: whatever the hell. Once that stops, it's over.
Speaker 1: But it's a necessity for us though. It's a necessity
Speaker 1: because as glasses agree. So now we're going further. All right,
Speaker 1: it may not fully be, but it's a necessity for
Speaker 1: us because we are being targeted.
Speaker 3: But now we have targeted because we are black.
Speaker 2: But now, but now you have to really put but
Speaker 2: if you put that in people's faith, right, if you
Speaker 2: put that in people's faith, like in pri and where
Speaker 2: it's obvious white people, let who.
Speaker 3: Sells down from you?
Speaker 2: Right, Guess what happens They figure it out, and then
Speaker 2: guess what. All of those cultural and community difference go
Speaker 2: out the door, and guess what happens. You just gotta
Speaker 2: be black. You don't have the luxury of being from
Speaker 2: young's or twenties or a trade. That luxury is not
Speaker 2: afforded anymore because now you can see somebody really targeting you.
Speaker 3: Specific Yeah, you see it. It's in your face.
Speaker 2: Versus where we at in our little small section of
Speaker 2: Watts right and the Mona Parks is right here, and
Speaker 2: the Pj's is right here, and the Carvers is right here,
Speaker 2: and the Pominos is right here. I don't know no
Speaker 2: white people when I'm in the content and the forms.
Speaker 2: It's the forms, the nutties, the occasions, the seven O's
Speaker 2: and whoever else. It's no white people around here. But
Speaker 2: when you go to prison, you know what you see
Speaker 2: white people. So again I'm not disagreeing with you. I
Speaker 2: do think there are some issues in our community, specifically
Speaker 2: where we're from, our communities, like right where we from.
Speaker 2: But I think if you give there's a ton of
Speaker 2: middle class Black communities that don't have gangs, and they
Speaker 2: not killing each other because if you have opportunities and
Speaker 2: resources aren't scarce, there's a lot less reasons to fight.
Speaker 2: And you're trying to protect something, It's different when you're
Speaker 2: just trying to protect your pride and reputation, because that's
Speaker 2: how everything happens for you. When you come from where
Speaker 2: we come from, Twilight, like, everything that we get is
Speaker 2: based off pride and reputation. The way people treat us
Speaker 2: as based off pride and reputation. If girls want to
Speaker 2: procreate with us is based off pride and reputation. If
Speaker 2: somebody to trusts you with an opportunity to make money
Speaker 2: with some drugs, they affront you, it's all off pride
Speaker 2: and reputation. So it is vigorously protected in our communities,
Speaker 2: but as standard amongst all poor people.
Speaker 3: And that's that's why I keep giving you.
Speaker 2: You give me, you know, north side Loan Beach, or
Speaker 2: you give me east side Loan Beach, or you give
Speaker 2: me the West, or you give me ways or content.
Speaker 2: I'll give you east La. I'll give you the native
Speaker 2: uh uh, the Native the what do you call them?
Speaker 2: The reservations where the same thing is happening. You you
Speaker 2: you you wrote off what's going on in Cambodia town
Speaker 2: with with those people, right? You wrote that off as
Speaker 2: if like, uh, they're just following us.
Speaker 3: No they're not.
Speaker 1: They stuck where we at.
Speaker 3: You beat that point when you said east La and
Speaker 3: you said, see I have it.
Speaker 1: I don't. I don't. I can't contest it where you
Speaker 1: said that they started they originated game banging.
Speaker 3: If that's true, you beat the point of that.
Speaker 1: But what I what I can say to that is
Speaker 1: that that's they're they're saying they're from East La. But overall,
Speaker 1: the Mexicans do have a cultural you know what I'm saying,
Speaker 1: since the pieces, and they have a cultural love and
Speaker 1: a and a cultural mutual. Like you said, it's a necessity.
Speaker 1: We all speak the same language. We gotta make it work.
Speaker 1: There's communities of prices. They're not doing that. And like
Speaker 1: I said before, the those type of Mexicans, I've heard
Speaker 1: them speak down on the Cholos. I've heard that Chicano
Speaker 1: speak down. But as far as we're not once, let me,
Speaker 1: let me, let me land, let me l let me
Speaker 1: last one second.
Speaker 2: Which communities were poor Mexican people that this is not happening?
Speaker 3: Which was you said, East La.
Speaker 1: There's plenty of porters. I'm telling you this is happening.
Speaker 2: I'm telling you this is happening in HP Huntington Park,
Speaker 2: this is happening in Cuta, Hey, this is happening in
Speaker 2: Bell Gardens, This is happening.
Speaker 3: In everywhere you go in Lindwood.
Speaker 2: This is happening anywhere where poor Mexican people are at,
Speaker 2: especially in Californy.
Speaker 1: Youre talking about the gangs, right, but I'm talking about.
Speaker 1: This is what I'm saying Black people overall though, even
Speaker 1: when it don't come down to crips and bloods, and
Speaker 1: in every community that there's black people, like you said,
Speaker 1: in the hood in America, we're killing each other, were
Speaker 1: killing many people can go party. White people can go
Speaker 1: party for sure, and they're not worried about their fucking
Speaker 1: club getting shot up when they go party in their
Speaker 1: areas because they're not getting there.
Speaker 3: They can go to the park.
Speaker 1: They can go to the park.
Speaker 2: Which poor areas are we talking about? Give me a
Speaker 2: poor area. I'm showing you the difference in class. Well,
Speaker 2: where their nightclubs are at.
Speaker 1: We'll go to the area. What We'll go to our
Speaker 1: nightclubs in the area that's not poor and shoot each
Speaker 1: other up.
Speaker 2: Okay, show me where they show me where the poor
Speaker 2: ghetto white people. Show me a poor ghetto white listen
Speaker 2: that I.
Speaker 4: Personally can attach to.
Speaker 5: That would be like when I was really really young,
Speaker 5: because the city has changed a lot. We were a
Speaker 5: little funny coming from Newport going to like downtown Hunting
Speaker 5: Beach where the skinheads at. We didn't like, we were like,
Speaker 5: keep your head up and your eyes open because.
Speaker 3: The skinhead them is gang bangers. Though when you do them,
Speaker 3: when you when you keep.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but when when you keep saying that gang bangers,
Speaker 2: all that means you're just saying is poor people.
Speaker 3: That's all you're saying.
Speaker 2: Because because again you can watch every Mafia movie in
Speaker 2: the seventies, they busting each other, they're telling you the stories,
Speaker 2: they busting each other's head.
Speaker 3: They can out each other. I'm gonna agree with both
Speaker 3: of y'all.
Speaker 1: I'm just gonna say because what you're saying is correct
Speaker 1: in poor areas and in its human nature for people
Speaker 1: to beef and have ego issues and things gonna go
Speaker 1: up regardless.
Speaker 2: Don't say ego just it's primitive, right, it's handle privy.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna say, in the black community, with black people
Speaker 1: in America, I believe it's enhanced. And I believe even
Speaker 1: if it's even if it's small and and and listen
Speaker 1: and listen, and I'm gonna say that it's enhanced because
Speaker 1: of the other psychological attacks that you agree that are
Speaker 1: have been happening for us, in physical attacks that have
Speaker 1: been happening to us. Uh. And we also are attacked
Speaker 1: economically as well, and we don't know how to come
Speaker 1: together economically, so that keeps us poor. Because again we
Speaker 1: do know that black people we got we we.
Speaker 3: We're the biggest spenders, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: So if we have more love for each other and
Speaker 1: you see us.
Speaker 2: It's not a lack of love, bro, it's not a
Speaker 2: lack of love. We don't have the bit we spend
Speaker 2: money with each other.
Speaker 1: When get some niggas be trying to get deals, they
Speaker 1: get mad at them. They talk about they shit expensive,
Speaker 1: but they'll go spend one thousand dollars with Gucci for
Speaker 1: a pair of shoes and they don't even know Gucci.
Speaker 1: We don't look at it like I'm gonna go spend
Speaker 1: my money with this black person because I'm going to
Speaker 1: help instead of going to spend with this they don't
Speaker 1: come spend with us.
Speaker 3: We don't you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: We look at another nigga and were supposed to get
Speaker 1: a deal from another nigga. We not looking at it
Speaker 1: like when I buy from you though I don't. Hey, bro,
Speaker 1: I don't want no discount. Give me what you sell
Speaker 1: your shit for. I'll go straight over. If your shit
Speaker 1: good quality, I'm a fuck with you, bro, because I
Speaker 1: go straight over here to Nike and spend three hundred
Speaker 1: dollars on the on the suit.
Speaker 3: If you've given me the quality like that, I'm a
Speaker 3: fuck But a lot.
Speaker 1: Of niggas like, man, he's selling this shit for three
Speaker 1: hundred I ain't fucking with that, nigga.
Speaker 2: But but I think, but again, I think that's not
Speaker 2: because of self a lack of love. What it is
Speaker 2: is you spend money with Gucci or black people spend
Speaker 2: money with Gucci because of the social currency that comes
Speaker 2: with Gucci. Like right, there's a social currency like right
Speaker 2: when you wear these no, right, yeah, you wear these clothes,
Speaker 2: and these clothes say success. You don't have to tell
Speaker 2: nobody now if I wear something the average person wears
Speaker 2: something by a black brand. There was a time that
Speaker 2: was happening while like when I was younger, like like
Speaker 2: late eighties, early nineties, when everybody's wearing caral Kana, cross color,
Speaker 2: use all of these black brands, that would a thing.
Speaker 2: But again, what keeps things going is something different. But again,
Speaker 2: people don't wear Gucci to support a white brand. They
Speaker 2: wear Gucci because it empowers them socially. So so how
Speaker 2: they spend money with somebody else in terms if it
Speaker 2: empowers them socially.
Speaker 3: You cannot think that's a great point. But I don't.
Speaker 3: I didn't believe that. That's my bad. No, go ahead,
Speaker 3: I was gonna say, like, I.
Speaker 5: Think, like a more root economic cause of this phenomenon
Speaker 5: is that there is a higher like sense per dollar
Speaker 5: spending culture within Black America relative to other communities, for sure.
Speaker 5: And I think that like growth comes from investment. So
Speaker 5: if you spend more and more and more of your ratios,
Speaker 5: you're investing less.
Speaker 4: There's less growth. Therefore there's less.
Speaker 5: Production, so your opportunities to consume black products are reduced
Speaker 5: down to more of a lower tier you know bandwidthin
Speaker 5: like your Gucci's and Chanel's, because that's a company that's
Speaker 5: you know, most companies are worth billions and billions of dollars.
Speaker 4: They've reinvested and grown for a long time. There are
Speaker 4: a lot of those.
Speaker 5: There's not like a surplus of examples of places and
Speaker 5: opportunities for you to spend your money.
Speaker 4: If you're looking for status symbol type of purchases.
Speaker 2: And that's what more poor people are looking for. They're
Speaker 2: looking for a false sense. They want other people to
Speaker 2: see them as valuable a lot of this stuff.
Speaker 1: Look, Twilight, I agree with you.
Speaker 2: I think our community, especially poor black communities, not just
Speaker 2: because it's suburban people that don't have this problem. There's
Speaker 2: one o the black people that don't have this problem.
Speaker 2: This is very much a poor problem and specifically our
Speaker 2: type of communities. I think, right, there is some targeting
Speaker 2: that has affected us, but it's not in the way
Speaker 2: we fight. Like we've never saw a black person and
Speaker 2: tripped on somebody because they're black. We've never did that. Right,
Speaker 2: to compare it to white people, right, it's different. White
Speaker 2: people trip on black people just because they're black.
Speaker 3: That's it. That's it.
Speaker 1: There's no other reasons.
Speaker 2: You might have tripped on somebody because maybe they're from insane,
Speaker 2: maybe they're they're from babies, or they from youngs a
Speaker 2: click off insane, a clicking insane. But you never tripped
Speaker 2: off a brother just because he was black. Look at
Speaker 2: that nig over there, Oh to just kill him because
Speaker 2: he's just a nick You.
Speaker 1: Never, I think I think the way I think my
Speaker 1: perspective of a nigga has been different than my perspective
Speaker 1: of a of a white person. Though I think it's
Speaker 1: a subconscious I think that you're you're thinking I'm speaking
Speaker 1: that it's conscious like this nigga, like a white person,
Speaker 1: has a conscious hatred towards Black people. I'm saying there's
Speaker 1: been a subconscious impregnation that has been given to us
Speaker 1: since we were little, to have a lack of self love.
Speaker 1: And if you if you don't, if you don't love
Speaker 1: yourself and you don't love your culture, we don't have
Speaker 1: the pride in our culture. But I do understand what
Speaker 1: you're saying that people doing it all the time. We're
Speaker 1: in the ghettos, It's gonna happen. I definitely think we
Speaker 1: don't appreate our culture enough. And I feel like if
Speaker 1: there was more of a love, if I looked at you,
Speaker 1: like I said in one of my songs, I say
Speaker 1: why every time I walk past a brother in the streets,
Speaker 1: I used to squinch up my eyes. I used to
Speaker 1: clenching up my teeth. This is a nigga, you feel me.
Speaker 1: It ain't about if you was from insane or not.
Speaker 2: It was the same way about a Mexican that looks
Speaker 2: a certain way from how we came up. Because automatically
Speaker 2: you think this person could be somebody that's dangerous to
Speaker 2: your existence, or maybe they're family members. We don't have
Speaker 2: to specifically say the gang name, right, but I'm saying
Speaker 2: that the same thing's bread because somebody was taking people
Speaker 2: from your community's life. That's where that comes from. That
Speaker 2: don't just come from them else do you think of
Speaker 2: somebody as a threat. It just happens that we don't
Speaker 2: look at white people. Ask me, you're you're.
Speaker 1: Deeper into the psychology. We're not saying that this stuff
Speaker 1: doesn't exist, but you're saying it's the reason behind this.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna give you another example. I might see Peter
Speaker 1: I got it right that time, Right, Peter, Yeah, I'm
Speaker 1: not good with it. Better with faces. I might see
Speaker 1: Peter as a young man. I might see Peter, and
Speaker 1: I see Peter drive by in a Lamborghini. Right, I'm
Speaker 1: gonna say, oh, that's a nice car, white dude, Like
Speaker 1: subconsciously he's supposed to be in that, right, But if
Speaker 1: I see a nigga in that car, I'm gonna think
Speaker 1: to myself, how you do that? How you get that?
Speaker 1: You feel me? We know it's like a I'm saying
Speaker 1: it's a subconscious thing, like I'm not saying it's a
Speaker 1: conscious thing. It's like, i'm a, i'm aa feel different
Speaker 1: about the nigga in the Lamborghini than the white dude in.
Speaker 3: The Lamborghini because I might agree. Why, I don't know.
Speaker 2: I'm telling you why because you also see black people
Speaker 2: as poor. So it fucks with you because you like,
Speaker 2: how did this nigga beat poverty? That's the trick and
Speaker 2: that's what fucks you up. That can trigger jealousy.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's all based off of but you agree that
Speaker 1: they did something, but it's all based off of.
Speaker 2: Our our money, all based on because if you've seen
Speaker 2: Lebron James driving by in a Lamborghini, you wouldn't say
Speaker 2: that shit. No, no dog drive by in a Lamborghini,
Speaker 2: you wouldn't say that shit. If you seen Warren g
Speaker 2: drive by in Lamborghini, you wouldn't say that shit. You
Speaker 2: know why, because you know how they earned their way
Speaker 2: out of poverty.
Speaker 3: Right.
Speaker 2: The question is you're looking at a white man because
Speaker 2: you don't see them ask poor. Just think about a week.
Speaker 2: We're from a specific place in southern California. Like we're
Speaker 2: from a specific place in southern California. Right, this place
Speaker 2: is crazy because we don't even know poor white people, right,
Speaker 2: So I like, we don't know poor white people.
Speaker 3: Bro, we don't even know me and you right now.
Speaker 2: Can't go to a community of poor white people, me
Speaker 2: and you right now, we would have to go to
Speaker 2: like some suburban area to think about it, we'd have
Speaker 2: to go to some suburban area, right some like start
Speaker 2: asking like Newport Beach and then try to find a
Speaker 2: trailer park and rich ass Newport Beach. If you ever
Speaker 2: notice they have trailer parks in the wealthiest parts of
Speaker 2: white people town, because like, we gotta have somewhere for
Speaker 2: poor white people people to live. So again, we're gonna
Speaker 2: go through a bunch of wealth to get to wear
Speaker 2: poor white people and them motherfucker's still wilding out in
Speaker 2: the trailer parts if it's the right type of trailer park.
Speaker 2: So again, I think the problems you make in nately
Speaker 2: ours and this is kind of why I wanted to
Speaker 2: have that conversation, are not ours. They're poor people in
Speaker 2: America's problem, right, They're poor people in America's problem. And
Speaker 2: that's the trick. You gotta know that. And if you
Speaker 2: think that we have something that's different than anybody else,
Speaker 2: it's crazy. We don't we do the same thing, Bro,
Speaker 2: East LA is not the only East La. Cut ahead
Speaker 2: is East La, Bill Guards, is East La anywhere with
Speaker 2: poor Mexican people at right here, Bro, they are squabbling
Speaker 2: and getting down and killing each other over.
Speaker 1: Whatever they I believe that with I believe that we
Speaker 1: have been victims of something, and I believe that our
Speaker 1: victimization is different from everybody else's. And I believe agree
Speaker 1: the current state of the people is based off of
Speaker 1: the after effects.
Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: When I went when I was in the pen, it
Speaker 1: was a book where they used the phrase post traumatic
Speaker 1: slave syndrome. You feel me, and uh and and and
Speaker 1: what I what I know is that we have been
Speaker 1: attacked in so many ways from certain angles that our
Speaker 1: whatever we got going on in our ghettos is a
Speaker 1: little different. You feel me, But I do agree with
Speaker 1: you saying that it has a lot to do with
Speaker 1: being poor. You feel me, But I feel like that
Speaker 1: we attack and they want to keep.
Speaker 2: But what would be the same thing you would say for.
Speaker 1: Southgate? I mean Southgate, is that that that happened, that
Speaker 1: being poor as part of that being culturally affected by
Speaker 1: games because the game culture is a different culture and
Speaker 1: it's very strong. But I don't believe that those people
Speaker 1: were there. They're they've been attacked, but not like us.
Speaker 1: Like you heard of the Willie Lynch letter.
Speaker 3: Right, I'm sure that's not true. Yeah they proven it
Speaker 3: not true.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but but look, okay, so wait a minute, you
Speaker 1: don't bury that.
Speaker 2: Don't change the effect to be correct, Like I do
Speaker 2: think there is a traumatic issue that black people that
Speaker 2: the Senate of Slaves have to deal with. But I
Speaker 2: hate you, but I'm telling you there's a suburban group
Speaker 2: of black people that there's a working class of black
Speaker 2: people that this is not happening with. There's a wealthy
Speaker 2: class of black people.
Speaker 3: That's not happening with.
Speaker 2: And they and they came from the same place me
Speaker 2: and you came from right now, Snoopers in Paris, right now, right,
Speaker 2: He's not fighting some nigga because they just a nigga.
Speaker 2: He that ain't no problem, you know why, because there's
Speaker 2: a different value in everything that he's doing.
Speaker 1: Right.
Speaker 2: But again, we can go to let's say Southgate, shout
Speaker 2: out to Julio G. That's his hometown. Them motherfuckers is fighting.
Speaker 2: Ain't no one wrong Mexican people were enslaved at one time.
Speaker 2: They were just like American people. They were conquered, and
Speaker 2: Spaniards came over there and did the same thing. That
Speaker 2: maybe not the exact same, but they did. They were slaves,
Speaker 2: They were slaves, and so again. But I don't think
Speaker 2: this is a problem, because how do you express with
Speaker 2: Ukraine and Russians fighting over They're trying to bully Ukraine
Speaker 2: into getting back down with them and being a part
Speaker 2: of their movement, and reason.
Speaker 5: Those two countries had substantially higher per capital murder race
Speaker 5: in the United States for decades.
Speaker 4: Russia's is like top five in the world.
Speaker 2: They're not way worst, Twilight, way worse, and it ain't
Speaker 2: And it ain't a nigga breathing air over there, Twilight.
Speaker 3: It ain't a black man over there.
Speaker 1: Breathing air, breathing air over there anymore for political power though.
Speaker 3: He's talking about regular.
Speaker 5: Street normal just normal homicide crimesia.
Speaker 1: Your sensationalism, I got. I can't. I can't this because
Speaker 1: I would have to check out your sensationalism.
Speaker 2: Your sensationalism of how white people behave is fucking funny.
Speaker 2: And I get why, because we from southern California, where
Speaker 2: we don't see poor white people.
Speaker 1: The only white people we see.
Speaker 2: Is on TV and a couple of them at our
Speaker 2: school until we go to jail. We don't really see
Speaker 2: white people the way you see white people when you
Speaker 2: grow up where we grow up at. So we look
Speaker 2: at them like, man, they're just a better behaved class.
Speaker 2: Bullshit and Russia they knocking each other off. And check
Speaker 2: they knocking each other off. Everywhere you go, they knocking
Speaker 2: each other off.
Speaker 1: They a knocking each other off in America, Yes they are.
Speaker 1: But you're saying it's because they're not poor.
Speaker 3: They're not.
Speaker 1: They're not really poor like that you.
Speaker 2: I'm telling you they have done a better. Now we
Speaker 2: can get to my thought on the problem. I think
Speaker 2: the wealthy class don't do right by the poor class.
Speaker 2: I think that's the real difference. You think it's in
Speaker 2: the wealthy class. It's always a class. I definitely believe
Speaker 2: class has something to do with it. Class classism created racism,
Speaker 2: But the ability to another human is create what created,
Speaker 2: you know.
Speaker 1: But we both agree that we've been there's been extra
Speaker 1: attacks on us that were at work, you know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying.
Speaker 2: So we have Yeah, yeah, we were the one product
Speaker 2: that got away, so got a way.
Speaker 3: So do you.
Speaker 1: Believe that that it would be in our benefit to
Speaker 1: start being more Having more love is not a self hate,
Speaker 1: but having more love for it.
Speaker 3: I think, I think.
Speaker 2: I think it ain't the poor people's problem. I think
Speaker 2: poor people do right by poor people as best as
Speaker 2: they can. I think our wealthy class do a horrible
Speaker 2: job of caring for its poorer class of people.
Speaker 3: That's the problem.
Speaker 2: That's my opinion, because if you're comparing it to all
Speaker 2: these other people who have the same issues in America,
Speaker 2: shoot each other, hunting each other, da da da, Like
Speaker 2: whether you're in Chicago before there's black people, it's white
Speaker 2: people hunting each other. Al Capone and Bonnie and Clyde
Speaker 2: were serial killers. People talk about they want to be
Speaker 2: in love like Bonnie and Clyde. Then Motherfucker was two
Speaker 2: serial killers that committed suicide at the end. I mean,
Speaker 2: so again, people don't notice, but they use those white names,
Speaker 2: and they sensationalize in white lifestyle and don't understand the
Speaker 2: true history of how white people can be.
Speaker 3: In this country.
Speaker 2: When you take she don't gotta take much. You see,
Speaker 2: if you just bully them too much at school, they
Speaker 2: go kill everybody. So what I'm saying to you is
Speaker 2: we have to our wealthy class of black people have
Speaker 2: to do a better job by poor people. Right now,
Speaker 2: we got a woman running under the guise of being
Speaker 2: a sister, but her number one thing she is not
Speaker 2: talking about is reparations.
Speaker 3: How the fuck can you look like me or you?
Speaker 2: And the first thing you talking about is not making
Speaker 2: it right with America's bullied class. How how is anything
Speaker 2: else more important on a docket? And you know why
Speaker 2: something else? Because getting elected is more than doing right
Speaker 2: by people. So when you say black people or my people, right,
Speaker 2: because white people don't say white people. They don't even
Speaker 2: fuck with other white people, like.
Speaker 1: Say America's bullied class. You're talking about black people, bully class.
Speaker 1: You said, how are you gonna be talking You're not
Speaker 1: talking about doing right by America's bullied class.
Speaker 3: Yeah, people about black people, right, yep? Right?
Speaker 2: And so this is a person that's a sister that
Speaker 2: that should be her thing. Peter is Italian. He don't
Speaker 2: claim Irish people.
Speaker 4: I'm not hard, I'm not like, I'm not that kind
Speaker 4: of Italian.
Speaker 3: Sure, but he don't like he don't claim Irish people.
Speaker 5: He don't be like Italian people, Like if I go
Speaker 5: to Rhode Island to Providence where there's a bazilion paisanos, I'm.
Speaker 2: Not like, hey, you got we gotta go up there
Speaker 2: to see if they come on. We gotta go up
Speaker 2: Because that's why I like, you don't really know.
Speaker 4: I'm an insular for one hundred years.
Speaker 2: The same thing you don't know I'm a crypt till
Speaker 2: you see me around crypts. Most people don't really realize
Speaker 2: how much of a cuyp I until they see me
Speaker 2: function with Chris.
Speaker 3: They be like, damn, this nigga glass is a.
Speaker 2: Real crypt because that's when it's on. Why am I
Speaker 2: crip with you?
Speaker 1: Who the fuck are you?
Speaker 2: You're ted you work at Comcast, nigga, I'm not talking
Speaker 2: to you like.
Speaker 3: Some niggas don't know how to turn that on and
Speaker 3: off though, because and I don't think you should. But
Speaker 3: I just don't like.
Speaker 2: I just don't give other people the camaraderie of being
Speaker 2: a low.
Speaker 3: Bro like one of us. Bro you don't get to really.
Speaker 2: Like I treat my people like when I go fuck
Speaker 2: with the hummies in the beach because I'm at home bro,
Speaker 2: it don't matter where I'm at, Nigga, these loas like
Speaker 2: me shit, even with bloods like nigga'll be like Nigga's up, Nigga,
Speaker 2: we still what's happening.
Speaker 3: So again, it just.
Speaker 2: I think we have to really take our foot off
Speaker 2: our next and put it back on the responsibilities. Don't
Speaker 2: get me wrong, there are things that we can encourage
Speaker 2: each other to do correctly a lot better. But again,
Speaker 2: we also got to take into account there's a million
Speaker 2: other things going on with us than just that people
Speaker 2: are drunk high. A lot of this shit is awful
Speaker 2: also off of being under the influence. I mean a
Speaker 2: lot of this is even game bang is a lot
Speaker 2: of it is under the influence. Nah, for sure. I
Speaker 2: just I just wanted to talk about that because I
Speaker 2: felt like we were just getting lost in that space.
Speaker 1: And I want to Yeah, because it started with the
Speaker 1: Charleston White that niggas ain't killing oh you know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying.
Speaker 2: And and even with him saying he naming songs where
Speaker 2: black people in hip hop have represented our struggle. Oh
Speaker 2: that's not what all of them talking about. Some of
Speaker 2: these little dudes barely could read and write. They don't
Speaker 2: even have the intellectual capacity to rationalize what's going on
Speaker 2: with them. If you're talking about what's going on in Chicago,
Speaker 2: that's spearheaded by little kids. So I'm sorry if they
Speaker 2: don't have the intellectual they hire little kids like like.
Speaker 3: You get Keith. Keith been on drugs forever. Them dudes
Speaker 3: been on drugs forever.
Speaker 2: They don't even have the intellectual capacity the reason what's
Speaker 2: happening with them. You gotta give them time to grow up,
Speaker 2: just like everybody else, and you gotta help them. It's
Speaker 2: a weird space that Barack Obama and Oprah Winfrey and
Speaker 2: and somebody else is from Chicago, and that is a
Speaker 2: place that they're not actively pursuing the problems.
Speaker 1: Think about that. I think about that with the with
Speaker 1: the rappers out here, like the top notch rappers, I
Speaker 1: ain't even gonna mention their names, but it's well not
Speaker 1: rappers like I'm talking about the legends that the Mount Rushmore's.
Speaker 1: I feel like they could be more active in this
Speaker 1: shit and they got more power. You feel me to
Speaker 1: get niggas on the phone and figure shit out. You
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. They don't got enough money.
Speaker 2: I'm gonnaell, I'm gonna tell you the truth that I
Speaker 2: ain't never said them niggas don't got enough.
Speaker 3: Money I'm thinking about. I'm talking about money.
Speaker 2: Like, you can't tell poor people to behave that won't last.
Speaker 2: You know how you make a poor people behave?
Speaker 1: Unpoor them.
Speaker 2: That's what happened to every other black person that unbehaved
Speaker 2: in the future that learn how to behave, somebody unpoured
Speaker 2: them or they put them in prison. You gotta unpoor people,
Speaker 2: like if there's not a true effort from the wealthy
Speaker 2: class of black people in America to unpoor black people, because.
Speaker 1: That's what Jewish people did.
Speaker 2: The wealthy Jewish people started to unpour poor Jewish people.
Speaker 2: That created everything that's happening for them. They didn't just
Speaker 2: pick themselves up by their bootstraps. Their upper class did
Speaker 2: a much better job by their poorer class.
Speaker 1: Why do you think that that our upper class of
Speaker 1: black people aren't you said, when the Jewish got wealthy,
Speaker 1: they came back and figured out the Asians they gonna go.
Speaker 3: Why do we not do that?
Speaker 2: Because first off, everybody lining about how much money they got.
Speaker 2: Don't let these people ain't None of these people wealthy
Speaker 2: like that because they black we in America, they ain't
Speaker 2: gonna let niggas even get that kind of money. That's
Speaker 2: the thing about being in this country. So again it's
Speaker 2: gonna take a lot.
Speaker 4: Of there's a lot of scalable enterprise.
Speaker 3: Why they not gonna let niggas get that type of money.
Speaker 3: That's that's your point.
Speaker 2: True racism, true oppression is carried out economically. All the
Speaker 2: other little ship that we complain about, that ship's a joke.
Speaker 2: Somebody call you a nigga, that's a joke. Somebody denying
Speaker 2: you the opportunity to live in their community. That's something
Speaker 2: only because you can't get the value of that property
Speaker 2: in your families.
Speaker 1: That's about micomic portfolio, right.
Speaker 5: Like the Jewish and Asian like social paradigms lend themselves
Speaker 5: to more of a bilateral cooperation, you know, not to mention,
Speaker 5: they enter into spaces of commerce that are scalable in
Speaker 5: different ways.
Speaker 1: But the Jewish people love each other to a certain sound.
Speaker 4: That they don't. I mean, like, I'll put it this way.
Speaker 3: That's true.
Speaker 4: I'll put it this way. If you're going to hire,
Speaker 4: if you're going to go, if you say you're even
Speaker 4: not Jewish. They do very very well.
Speaker 5: They have extraordinarily high IQs, high academic achievements. They're very
Speaker 5: conservative in the way that they operate. Every Their whole
Speaker 5: social paradigm is based off of long term goal achievement,
Speaker 5: probability standards, religion for themselves exactly.
Speaker 1: That's self love, you just.
Speaker 5: That's not self love though, you just know it's a
Speaker 5: structure for operation.
Speaker 4: For what structure for operations?
Speaker 1: Okay, the growth of themselves. So to me, they have
Speaker 1: a sense of pride in them at this point. If
Speaker 1: you don't believe, I believe, if you're development and you're
Speaker 1: keeping it, I believe that's love.
Speaker 5: If anybody that's incidental, the outcomes incidental, If if any
Speaker 5: group of a million people operated and made the choices
Speaker 5: over and over and over and over and over again
Speaker 5: that those people make, or that Asian people, Asian Americans
Speaker 5: make when they come to the United States or whatever.
Speaker 5: They didn't run past the media and white people by
Speaker 5: ten x because they just like stuffle it, because they
Speaker 5: were friends that shuffle a couple of dollars back and
Speaker 5: forth to each other. They ran past medium white people by
Speaker 5: ten x because they have a ten times better social model,
Speaker 5: and they adhere.
Speaker 4: To it vigorously. They take education more seriously, they take
Speaker 4: invested more seriously.
Speaker 2: They take hold on that's taught to them in religion.
Speaker 2: That's the thing nobody's talking about.
Speaker 3: That's true, humans together is usually religion.
Speaker 2: Right, So religion and teaches them that it's not because
Speaker 2: they like each other they have a love for the religion. No, No,
Speaker 2: it's a it's a you gotta realize the religion. It's
Speaker 2: not a love, have a loyalty for the religion, but
Speaker 2: the religion is based off of their culture and their
Speaker 2: ethnic group.
Speaker 3: But they're they're.
Speaker 2: In a position to where something really traumatic happened to them, right,
Speaker 2: and they have figured out a way, in a mathematical
Speaker 2: way of making things happen. Right, they say, Okay, this
Speaker 2: is how we're going to do things. This is a
Speaker 2: sin to not do them this way. Mh, this is
Speaker 2: a sin. And it's still people.
Speaker 1: That don't do it that way. So they've constructed to basically,
Speaker 1: you know, affect the psychology by attaching it to a religion.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying, to make the people repetitively
Speaker 1: do this thing. But I mean I agree with that
Speaker 1: because I believe that that was part of what happened
Speaker 1: to us psychologically when they stripped our language from us,
Speaker 1: they stripped our religion from us from through slavery. We
Speaker 1: had we had, we don't. A black person in America.
Speaker 1: We can't go back and be like, yeah, I'm from
Speaker 1: Morocco or I'm from you can say that, but you
Speaker 1: can't say it with as much as uh as pride
Speaker 1: and and and you feel me fact as an Asian person,
Speaker 1: they can go all the way back to their lineage
Speaker 1: and say exactly where they're from. So I do believe
Speaker 1: that they that affected us. But see, that's what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: I feel like we're agreeing, but we just disagreeing about
Speaker 1: the it's a love or it's a hate thing. I
Speaker 1: think that I'm just using that. I feel like that's love.
Speaker 1: You feel me.
Speaker 3: That's just what I'm saying.
Speaker 2: Well, I mean even even coast, Yeah, I do too,
Speaker 2: And I don't want again you're not.
Speaker 3: It's not like you're wrong.
Speaker 2: I just think it's a little too much emotion to
Speaker 2: the concept for sure. And it's not really like or hate, right,
Speaker 2: It's like because if you go to pre slavery, remember
Speaker 2: we got sold into slavery. That was somebody who had
Speaker 2: to see you as different. Right right now, you go
Speaker 2: over in Nigeria, those try fight and kill each other
Speaker 2: right now over different.
Speaker 1: You wouldn't call them gangs, you would call.
Speaker 3: Them tribes back then.
Speaker 2: You know what I'm so again, poverty creates a primitive
Speaker 2: way of dealing with other human beings. It's all primitive.
Speaker 2: Like people don't just kill each other in our community
Speaker 2: for everything. They do it for specific things, and usually
Speaker 2: something that's rooted in pride or emotion, right and and again,
Speaker 2: the things that make you reconsider those things is when
Speaker 2: you have something to lose. I think if you give
Speaker 2: most human beings something to lose, they would probably behave
Speaker 2: and make different choices. They would have to, they wouldn't
Speaker 2: have no choice but to make different choices.
Speaker 1: Or they have that that type of camaraderie or loyalty
Speaker 1: towards something like you say the Jews have it towards
Speaker 1: their religion. I mean, we look at that, don't have.
Speaker 3: Right now the same way.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but it's harder for the nation because they're trying
Speaker 1: to gather people and and and you know what I'm saying,
Speaker 1: the nation is their black in America. Yeah exactly, So
Speaker 1: they're trying to they want to. They say that black
Speaker 1: people that are in the hood doing what they doing,
Speaker 1: killing theirselves or whatever, are sleep so they have the
Speaker 1: task of waking something waking people up. The Jews have
Speaker 1: passed this down. You know what I'm saying, this type
Speaker 1: of love and coarateerie, we don't have it. So regardless
Speaker 1: that what we all what we're going to agree on.
Speaker 3: Them word loving camaraderie that I okay, okay.
Speaker 1: Well whatever, they have their alliance for each other, the
Speaker 1: allegiance that have based off of this, let's let's take
Speaker 1: love out of it. Yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah, And it's not even the line.
Speaker 2: It's just behavior because poor Jewish people used to act
Speaker 2: just like poor black people.
Speaker 1: But they behave this way based off of that. They're
Speaker 1: being loyal to the religion.
Speaker 2: Now now they have something to lose, but it's in
Speaker 2: their religion and if they violate this they go to hell.
Speaker 2: This is you feel me know exactly? They have made
Speaker 2: you know what I'm going dad, l used to be
Speaker 2: a gang. Twilight like the Defense League or the Anti
Speaker 2: Defamation League used to be a fucking Jewish gang.
Speaker 4: That's what the Columbia did.
Speaker 5: You ever see that, say, where they did the making
Speaker 5: of The Godfather special on It was like a series
Speaker 5: for one season. It's cool if you get a chance
Speaker 5: to watch this only Paramount Plus. But they're talking about
Speaker 5: like the behind the scenes making of The Godfather. I
Speaker 5: think it was like with the Colombo crime family at
Speaker 5: the time. And yeah, it was like the Italian American
Speaker 5: Defense League or whatever the hell. He was trying to
Speaker 5: do the same thing that they were doing. Sure, and
Speaker 5: it didn't work and they shot him at.
Speaker 2: So again again, like a gang is powerful if pointed
Speaker 2: in the correct direction. I mean again, a lot of
Speaker 2: the things, it's poor people coming together just trying to survive.
Speaker 3: That's all.
Speaker 2: Gangs are a bunch of poor people coming together trying
Speaker 2: to matter and survive, point quid.
Speaker 4: From what I can observe.
Speaker 5: And I've never spent a lot of time in like
Speaker 5: Jewish temples, like actually at their places of worship, but
Speaker 5: just observationally. And I was just was for a long
Speaker 5: time living in a like almost exclusively Orthodox and Jewish building,
Speaker 5: so I can kind of see how they roll and
Speaker 5: stuff like.
Speaker 4: That a little bit.
Speaker 5: Their relationship with their religion. It's very ritualistic, and it's
Speaker 5: very much like you know, it's like we go here
Speaker 5: because it's what we're supposed to do, and it tells
Speaker 5: us what we're supposed to do at all times, and
Speaker 5: they do what they're supposed to do at all times.
Speaker 5: It's very instruction based and they go there and it's
Speaker 5: like very kind of like Catholic. Yeah, I haven't been
Speaker 5: to any Black monsters or whatever. I've been to a
Speaker 5: lot of black Catholic churches. I feel like a lot
Speaker 5: of people will go there and it's more might say spiritual.
Speaker 5: It's more like just uplifting and happiness kind of stuff.
Speaker 5: It's not like you, guys, this is what we need
Speaker 5: to do. Period. If you aren't doing this, knock it
Speaker 5: off and you should be ashamed of yourself, like you know,
Speaker 5: like you don't go to confession at the Amme I
Speaker 5: remember as a kid, is a Catholic church having to
Speaker 5: go to confession to tell the guy, here's all the
Speaker 5: shit that I did wrong last month, and they would say,
Speaker 5: all right, I'm extremely disappointed with you, say to our
Speaker 5: father two hundred times for the next hour and a half.
Speaker 4: All right, you sit there on your knees for an
Speaker 4: hour and a half. It's like, I don't.
Speaker 5: Get that, like because that's a very cohesive part of
Speaker 5: Black America as the church, and I don't know when
Speaker 5: I go to the church, I don't get the same
Speaker 5: sense that like it's more sociable. It's more like just
Speaker 5: uplifting on. Just just feel better. Whatever the hell you're doing.
Speaker 5: That's fine, keep doing whatever the hell you want to do,
Speaker 5: but feel better. It's kind of like in a nutshell
Speaker 5: some of the tenor there.
Speaker 2: Well before we get look, were finna cut this shit
Speaker 2: off cause I'll be trying not to have three four
Speaker 2: our podcasts and I can see that we in that space.
Speaker 4: Well, just cut in half and half. Part two come
Speaker 4: out next week.
Speaker 1: Well let me say this. Let me say this.
Speaker 2: I think in the Black church, it's definitely a lot
Speaker 2: of focus on emotional and spiritual well being.
Speaker 4: And I get what.
Speaker 2: Yes, because I mean, nigga, you Black in America has
Speaker 2: been fucked up. You've been having to heal yourself emostly
Speaker 2: because you can't really deal. But I think when we're
Speaker 2: talking about or comparing it to like a like Judaism
Speaker 2: or like a Jewish temple, it's a lot of different
Speaker 2: restrictions you have to go to a temple based off
Speaker 2: the perimeter of your house. Like like in Black churches,
Speaker 2: we go to the churches that the pastor or the
Speaker 2: priests is popular and it makes you feel good. But
Speaker 2: in the Jewish community, they make you forced to be
Speaker 2: within your neighbors to be a resource to your net. Again,
Speaker 2: how we utilize resources, that's something we can talk about.
Speaker 1: That's why that's something else we could talk about in
Speaker 1: the nation. I believe I've seen fair Cohns speak on
Speaker 1: that say that we should mimic the because they the
Speaker 1: Jews was really like I went to the they got
Speaker 1: a community like in La where they got not you
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying, restaurants, and they got their.
Speaker 3: Own miracle mile. Yeah, they got their grocery stores.
Speaker 1: They have their own mosques and synagogues, they have their
Speaker 1: own hospitals. You know what I'm saying. They shop within
Speaker 1: their own grocery store. Like he said, we eat culture
Speaker 1: food because culture food is gonna be for show organic.
Speaker 1: The way they even kill their prey, they slaughtered their
Speaker 1: every way and they passed it down, you know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying. So but so I now to to to
Speaker 1: get past that. I just I feel like it that's needed.
Speaker 1: I feel like we have to have some type of
Speaker 1: you know, we not gonna say love, some type of
Speaker 1: something for another black man has to be instilled in
Speaker 1: us for a black period.
Speaker 2: But it is there, Twilight. That's just not And that's
Speaker 2: what I'm telling you. That was the point of this podcast.
Speaker 2: It is there. That's why we're having this. It is there.
Speaker 2: It is inally and all of us now how many
Speaker 2: drugs and how many drinks we drink to try to
Speaker 2: make it disappear, to do what we feel like we
Speaker 2: gotta do to survive.
Speaker 3: This jungle that we call our neighborhoods.
Speaker 1: And the new Okay, all right, all right, now I
Speaker 1: get okay, so I can I can say that it
Speaker 1: is I could see how you can say that, right,
Speaker 1: and then so basically we just our current state has
Speaker 1: not allowed us to put that love or whatever you
Speaker 1: want to call it in front, in the forefront, because
Speaker 1: if I got something like that, I can't just kill you, bro,
Speaker 1: just because you stepped on my shoe or you looked
Speaker 1: at me wrong, or we had a road rage incident.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna say this is another black were going through
Speaker 1: the same shit we under attack they on us. You
Speaker 1: feel me they attacking us.
Speaker 2: Why poor people can't behave is we would have to
Speaker 2: study human issues.
Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly do what black people communication?
Speaker 2: Why poor people don't do a great a better job
Speaker 2: of value in each other's life, going to probably why
Speaker 2: they don't have value for they own it.
Speaker 3: I see now where you at.
Speaker 1: You don't want it to be singled out that black
Speaker 1: people are ignorant or black. This is a poor people thing.
Speaker 1: We're not ignorant, We're not this. We're poor.
Speaker 2: And so you see because because you can go into
Speaker 2: certain places over there don't do this, or working class
Speaker 2: black people don't do it. You can't go to Carson,
Speaker 2: step on somebody fucking foot and then they gonna shoot you.
Speaker 3: Black the night somebody, but usually.
Speaker 2: Somebody that comes from those little ghettos or somebody that
Speaker 2: it's been hardened by other ghettos. Now, if we being honest, bro,
Speaker 2: say Delamo, let's say Delamo. Let's say Delamo one nine. Oh,
Speaker 2: they're hardened by how close they are the pop while
Speaker 2: I was coming because Carson got the they upper they're
Speaker 2: like a middle class Black community and they was gang
Speaker 2: banging and niggas not not all of it right, only
Speaker 2: the places that are close. See, everybody has to protect
Speaker 2: their community, right. So like notice one I know is
Speaker 2: on the border of Compton, So they got that over.
Speaker 3: I lived in it. I lived in Del Lamo.
Speaker 1: You feel me.
Speaker 2: They got they got money, but even I had guarded.
Speaker 2: They were protecting their communities from people bringing. They're close
Speaker 2: to the ghetto. Even though you cross the street and
Speaker 2: you once you cross Compton and you get to Anderson
Speaker 2: Park on women'son and now you in the you and
Speaker 2: you and you in the Daimy. That's because they're right there,
Speaker 2: close to these niggas.
Speaker 3: It's the reason.
Speaker 2: Why, uh, Centerview that's right there behind Compton. You the
Speaker 2: more you get into Carson, once you get away from
Speaker 2: all the projects, you don't have that. There's a ton
Speaker 2: of neighborhoods in Carson that don't have gangs.
Speaker 1: It was the key though. It wasn't the Paris. They
Speaker 1: Paris two parent home, nice car.
Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2: I've been through there minus the class. It's not the class.
Speaker 2: It's the fact that they created this to stand up
Speaker 2: against ghettos and activity around it. There's there's not a
Speaker 2: place in Compton there's not a gang. There's a gang.
Speaker 2: There's places in Carsons that don't have gangs. There's not
Speaker 2: a place in watch that there's not a gang. That's
Speaker 2: not somebody territory. You know what I'm saying, And that's
Speaker 2: what I'm telling you. I'm telling you it changes based
Speaker 2: off the economic Again, if you go to a place
Speaker 2: that's all middle class people are surrounded by middle class people,
Speaker 2: there's no reason to have a gang.
Speaker 3: You just don't. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: You got it?
Speaker 3: They try it be like it don't. It ain't really nothing.
Speaker 2: They don't have nobody to kill, they don't have a
Speaker 2: REASONA war is just a social club at that point.
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