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Speaker 3: We are back.

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Speaker 4: Welcome, ladies and gentlemen, a beautiful Thursday here on the Herd.

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Speaker 3: Out in sunny Los Angeles. It's meat. Jason McIntyre barely surviving.

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Speaker 4: I mean, jeez, are coming for the online Rachel with

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Speaker 4: the pison feathers.

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Speaker 3: Whatever they say, whatever they say, They're coming after me.

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Speaker 3: But I'm still surviving.

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Speaker 5: Then, Rachel.

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Speaker 4: We got a pretty good times.

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Speaker 3: A lot going on. There is a lot.

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Speaker 4: We are one week exactly one week from today, NFL season.

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Speaker 3: We get packed not packers, I'm sorry. We get Eagles, yeah,

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Speaker 3: and caw and Cowboys. Oh it's he Is there anything

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Speaker 3: I on with the capital? You know, let's just dive

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Speaker 3: right into that, shall we remember?

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Speaker 4: We are one week away from the start of the

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Speaker 4: NFL season and a week from today, it's Eagles Cowboys,

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Speaker 4: and the Eagles are defending champs.

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Speaker 3: They got the best roster in the league.

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Speaker 4: They're stacked, and nobody is talking about them for some reason.

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Speaker 4: It's all about the Dallas Cowboys. Jerry Jones likes it

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Speaker 4: that way. He loves it that way. By the way,

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Speaker 4: do you guys remember what happened last year.

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Speaker 3: In the Eagles Cowboys games? They met twice. Now dak

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Speaker 3: missed both games.

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Speaker 4: Well, let me just check here, okay, thirty four to

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Speaker 4: six was the first one that was Eagles winning, and

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Speaker 4: then it was forty one seven. Jalen Hurts satokancussion did

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Speaker 4: not play. So it's a little early for math. But

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Speaker 4: I'm not seventy five to thirteen. The Eagles smoked the

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Speaker 4: Cowboys last year. It was not competitive in any way,

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Speaker 4: shape or form. Yet the media remains obsessed with the

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Speaker 4: wo begone Dallas Cowboys.

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Speaker 3: Why would that be? Well, wouldn't you know it? But

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Speaker 3: yesterday Michaeh Parsons.

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Speaker 4: Their star holdout hold in I don't know, showed up

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Speaker 3: Where's he going? He doesn't have to go to practice?

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Speaker 4: Well, Michael Parsons is going to get a second opinion.

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Speaker 3: On his back.

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Speaker 4: There's Micah at the I believe it's a Dallas Fort

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Speaker 3: Michael Parsons a large individual.

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Speaker 4: Somebody snapped his photo and next thing you know, it's

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Speaker 4: wait a minute. So he's not gonna be at practice

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Speaker 4: this weekend, pivotal practices right before the season.

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Speaker 3: Well that ain't good because we.

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Speaker 4: Got everybody saying, ah, it's gonna be fine, he's gonna

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Speaker 3: But it didn't stop there, folks.

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Speaker 4: Michaeh filed a grievance against the Cowboys over his fifty

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Speaker 4: year option, and it.

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Speaker 3: Continued the news in Dallas.

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Speaker 4: Jerry Jones loves this, right, Jerry, we'll get to you

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Speaker 4: a second, buddy.

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Speaker 3: There's more.

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Speaker 4: Michael Parson's older brother went on social media yesterday, and

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Speaker 4: I want to make sure I quote him correctly. It's

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Speaker 4: gonna get ugly. Put your gloves on. This is going

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Speaker 4: twelve rounds now. I don't know if he's talking about

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Speaker 4: like a Jake Paul fight coming up or what's happening.

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Speaker 4: Maybe it's his brother who's going toe to toe with

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Speaker 4: Jerry Jones and folks, the more I look at this

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Speaker 4: the more I just get disappointed and sad for Cowboys fans, because,

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Speaker 4: without question, this is the most futile organization in the NFC.

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Speaker 3: A staggering stat. I'm sure you guys have seen.

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Speaker 4: Since twenty ten, every team in the NFC has made

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Speaker 4: the conference championship game. Yes, the pathetic Panthers, the sad

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Speaker 4: There's only one team in the entire conference that hasn't.

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Speaker 4: And if you look at the bottom of the screen

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Speaker 4: there it's the Dallas Cowboys. Nineteen ninety five was the

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Speaker 4: last time they made the conference championship game, fifteen years

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Speaker 4: behind everyone else in the conference. That to me is

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Speaker 4: a very clear signal Jerry Jones is not serious about

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Speaker 3: The Eagles, who they're playing next Thursday.

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Speaker 4: They're crushing free agency every year, they're crushing the draft.

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Speaker 4: Howie Roseman is building a juggernaut, and Jerry Jones is

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Speaker 4: out here creating reality TV shows.

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Speaker 3: You've heard of Love Island Cowboys.

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Speaker 4: They got Star Island, keeping up with the Kardashians.

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Speaker 3: We about keeping up with the Joneses.

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Speaker 4: Yet somehow the media seems to think, Wow, this happens

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Speaker 4: every year. Here's Matt Mosley earlier this week talking about how, hey,

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Speaker 4: Mike is going to be there week one.

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Speaker 6: Remember who Jerry is, and remember how much he loves

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Speaker 6: the pageantry and the circus of all of this, and

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Speaker 6: the last minute get the deal signed is kind of

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Speaker 6: a fun thing for him. Dak got one of his

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Speaker 6: deals done the morning of the first game CD and

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Speaker 6: Zeke's were done four or five days. Every one of

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Speaker 6: these holdouts in in the Cowboys capitulating, right, I mean,

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Speaker 6: namely one that they've won, Like, well, look at the Cowboys,

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Speaker 6: they won this negotiation, Zeke Zach. I mean every CD

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Speaker 6: they all end and the deals getting done.

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Speaker 4: So the worst part is Jerry thinks this is good

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Speaker 4: business because he's not serious about football. He's like, oh,

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Speaker 4: our names are in the headline. I mean they play

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Speaker 4: at a stadium called Jerry World. I mean, the guy's

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Speaker 4: obsessed with himself. That's not going to translate to building

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Speaker 3: It's not going to happen.

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Speaker 4: And on top of all this, there was a couple

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Speaker 3: And everybody gets all excited about that. I'm like, whoa, whoa.

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Speaker 4: Let's be let's pause for a second. That ain't happening.

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Speaker 4: I mean, Jerry, there's no way he's trading Michael. We

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Speaker 4: all know and think, Yeah, he's gonna cave at the

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Speaker 3: He chickens out.

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Speaker 4: He talks a tough game, and then chickens out and

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Speaker 4: it signs a deal. So here's Tyler Dunn talking about

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Speaker 4: Jerry's history with his stars recently. This is headed toward

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Speaker 4: opening night. Jerry Jones is gonna know all eyes are on.

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Speaker 7: The NFL is the NFL. He's the most powerful person

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Speaker 3: And then that's when the news breaks. They don't care

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Speaker 7: If the Dallas Cowboys prioritize the winning, they wouldn't locked

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Speaker 7: up Dappy year ahead of time, Steve de Lammi year

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Speaker 7: out of time, Michael Parsons a year, a year at

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Speaker 7: a time. They just jerk around their best players because

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Speaker 7: They don't modernize the franchise. And if you're a Cowboys

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Speaker 4: And that's why I say, you know, Jerry's kind of

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Speaker 4: He's said, well, I want to win a Super Bowl.

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Speaker 4: And it's got to be disappout pointing if you're a

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Speaker 4: there are thinking, hey, you know, actually, Jay Jerry Jones

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Speaker 4: has a point. Mike is under contract for three more years.

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Speaker 3: He's got to show up.

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Speaker 4: And play, and that's just that's that's not how it works.

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Speaker 4: I'm gonna turn back to twenty twenty one. Okay, that's

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Speaker 4: when Michael Parsons was drafted. I remember that draft fondly

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Speaker 4: because as a Jets fan, all season leading up.

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Speaker 3: To that, we were in position to get Trevor Lawrence.

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Speaker 4: I was so geeked, all excited, and then the Jets,

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Speaker 4: was out here at so far in December, costs themselves

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Speaker 4: know Zach Wilson. I mean, I think he's working at

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Speaker 4: a coffee bean out here in Los Angeles. However, that

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Speaker 4: draft had a lot of other good players who went

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Speaker 4: a full screen of all that those twenty.

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Speaker 3: Twenty one draft picks. Take a look at the final column.

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Speaker 3: Did they sign their extension?

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Speaker 4: These are all guys drafted the exact same day as

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Speaker 4: Michaeh Parsons, Trevor Lawrence, and Jacksonville got his extension. It's done,

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Speaker 4: no drama. Jamar Chase Argue'll be the best receiver in

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Speaker 4: the league. Got it done, no drama, no holdouts, headlines.

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Speaker 4: Jaylen Wattle Miami got his deal. Penay Sewell, the great

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Speaker 4: A ton and Carolina still got his extension done. Patrick

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Speaker 4: Certayan defensive player of the Year. Devonte Smith of the

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Speaker 4: Eagles Boy Eagles Cowboys. Hey, Devonte Smith in Micah's draft

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Speaker 4: class got his extension. Guys, I had to look this

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Speaker 4: up seventeen months ago.

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Speaker 3: He got his extension. He was drafted the same day.

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Speaker 4: As Michael Parsons and we all say the Eagles are

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Speaker 4: the worst we'll run organization in the NFL. Right now,

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Speaker 4: He got his deal done, and you look at a

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Speaker 4: Rayshawn Slater who went to the Chargers. Okay, July twenty seventh,

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Speaker 4: this summer, Rayshawn Slater four year, one hundred and fourteen

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Speaker 4: million dollar deal. Chargers locked him up. Great contract for

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Speaker 3: For the season.

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Speaker 4: But guess what, because he got extended, he doesn't.

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Speaker 3: Have to worry about anything.

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Speaker 4: Can you imagine the panic Rayshon Slater would have right

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Speaker 4: now if he were playing for the Cowboys and Jerry

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Speaker 4: was jerking him around and then he tears his PATEL

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Speaker 4: attendant in practice and he's out for the year. But bro,

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Speaker 4: you didn't get your extension. You just cost yourself a

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Speaker 4: ton of money. He got taken care of. No worries Slater, Hey, man,

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Speaker 4: get healthy. You don't have a damn thing to worry about.

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Speaker 4: We don't need you to rush back because you got paid.

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Speaker 4: We want you to come back fully strong next season.

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Speaker 4: Easy well, ender, Michael Parsons, he doesn't have his extension.

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Speaker 4: You really think Michael Parsons wants to go out there

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Speaker 4: and play and jeopardize an injury like Slater with no

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Speaker 4: security and don't tell me, well, he's got the fifth

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Speaker 3: That ain't security.

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Speaker 4: Security is a four year deal with ninety one million guaranteed,

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Speaker 4: which is what Slater got, and Jerry for some reason

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Speaker 4: is reluctant to give him that money. And at the

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Speaker 4: bottom of that full screen graphic, I don't know if

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Speaker 4: we can get it again.

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Speaker 3: Our guys put it in gold lettering.

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Speaker 4: Okay, of all those guys that got their extensions, Micah

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Speaker 4: Parsons is the only player in this draft to have

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Speaker 4: three all Pro seasons. So you could argue, you know,

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Speaker 4: Jamar Chase has been great, Sewell's been awesome, Micah Parsons

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Speaker 4: has been the best player from his draft. That's a legitimate,

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Speaker 4: credible argument. And I know, hey, Jay, what's he done

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Speaker 4: in the playoffs? Okay, guys, what's Trevor Lawrence done in

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Speaker 4: got it. Here we go College Football National Championship Tiers.

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Speaker 4: Top college football contenders. Shouldn't be no surprise that Clemson

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Speaker 3: They have sixteen starters back Clemson's in there.

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Speaker 3: You sure, folks? Alabama?

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Speaker 4: From the notes, five star quarterback Ty Simpson has been

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Speaker 4: Obviously Georgia Bulldogs are going to be there. However, they

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Speaker 4: And then the Texas Long Orange hook them Archbanning and company.

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Speaker 4: And finally we have a way listed. I was wait

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Speaker 4: You the team of my youth. Yes, I owned the

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Speaker 3: Texas Tech to make the playoff.

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Speaker 4: Was one of my long shot bets. I love what

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Speaker 4: Albert Breer, mister Monday Morning Quarterback, as is always obligatory,

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Speaker 4: I have to ask him about Ohio State right out

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Speaker 4: of the gate, Breer, are you disappointed? I didn't have

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Speaker 3: Already?

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Speaker 5: Who'd you have?

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Speaker 4: So?

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Speaker 5: I was looking at my phone.

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Speaker 3: You weren't even paying attention.

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Speaker 5: Should have been paying attention. That's on me.

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Speaker 3: No, no, no, I had you want him.

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Speaker 8: In the top two though I was paying attention for that.

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Speaker 3: Thank you.

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Speaker 4: Okay, So I think they're could be very good, but

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Speaker 4: I do think Penn State probably gets him this year.

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Speaker 4: Clemson's loaded, and Alabama is the team I bet to

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Speaker 5: Are you bet Alabama?

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Speaker 3: Yeah?

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Speaker 5: All right, we'll see, we'll see.

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Speaker 8: I like I think Ohio State is one of those

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Speaker 8: to replace. There's a question, of course, at quarterback. I

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Speaker 5: I think they'll be in good shape going into December.

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Speaker 4: Now, there's a rumor on a message board that you

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Speaker 8: It'll be my two sons first game there with two,

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Speaker 8: which is going to be pretty cool.

441
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Speaker 4: Yeah, all right, final college football. Got to ask about

442
00:20:46,119 --> 00:20:49,080
Speaker 4: Arch Manning. I keep asking every guest this week, do

443
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Speaker 4: we know if he's good? I mean, yeah, I'm enough

444
00:20:52,800 --> 00:20:56,080
Speaker 4: with the UTSA highlights. Okay, can we wait to see

445
00:20:56,119 --> 00:20:58,440
Speaker 4: him live bullets against a good team with a smart defense.

446
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Speaker 5: Yeah, you know, it's interesting.

447
00:21:00,280 --> 00:21:03,359
Speaker 8: Actually, Jmack I asked around about him, you know, going

448
00:21:03,400 --> 00:21:07,320
Speaker 8: back to you know, like May, when you started to

449
00:21:07,359 --> 00:21:09,680
Speaker 8: see him popping up as the number one overall pick

450
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Speaker 8: in mock drafts, and you know, with all due respect

451
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Speaker 8: to him, I can't remember that ever happening before where

452
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Speaker 8: you had a guy who has two college stars being

453
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Speaker 8: projected in the next year's draft to that level. So

454
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Speaker 8: you know, the guys who are on the ground, who

455
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Speaker 8: do the school calls and have been in Austin, you

456
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Speaker 8: would all say, like, the physical tools are there.

457
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Speaker 5: He's a great kid. You know, he's been.

458
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Speaker 8: Raised right, so there are a lot of like great

459
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Speaker 8: pieces to put together there. But I mean, I think

460
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Speaker 8: the leap that everybody's making here is they assume that

461
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Speaker 8: he's got all the stuff that Peyton and el I

462
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Speaker 8: had and so they're making that leap where they say

463
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Speaker 8: he's Peyton and Eli plus athleticism, and I don't know

464
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Speaker 8: that's really respectful to how difficult it is to see

465
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Speaker 8: the game, to think the game the way that Peyton

466
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Speaker 8: and Eli did. And that doesn't mean that Arch won't

467
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Speaker 8: get there, But there's a process in getting there.

468
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Speaker 3: You know.

469
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Speaker 8: Part of it is playing against better competition, which will

470
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Speaker 8: happen on Saturday for him. Part of it is, you know,

471
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Speaker 8: when teams get six, seven, eight games of game tape

472
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Speaker 8: on you figuring out what you do well what you

473
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Speaker 8: don't do well, and now they're able to game plan

474
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Speaker 8: more specifically, can you CounterPunch? You know, there's still a

475
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Speaker 8: lot that we have left to find out about Arch Manning,

476
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Speaker 8: And I think he'd agree with this, like I, as

477
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Speaker 8: far as I've never talked to him before, but far

478
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Speaker 8: as what I know about the kid, I think you'd

479
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Speaker 8: agree that there's still a lot left unknown about what

480
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Speaker 8: he's going to be as a quarterback. And unfortunately, you

481
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Speaker 8: know the way all this stuff works today, we're never

482
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Speaker 8: going to give a kid like that the opportunity to

483
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Speaker 8: to just let that happen naturally, but you kind of

484
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Speaker 8: wish that it could.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, no shot of that. All right, Let's shift our

486
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Speaker 4: focus to the NFL. Listen, I don't love talking about

487
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Speaker 4: the Cowboys. They sink right. They're the longest drought in

488
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Speaker 4: a conference championship game in the NFC by a mile.

489
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Speaker 4: And then you got Michael Parson showing up at the airport.

490
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Speaker 4: I'm gonna get a second opinion on my back. His

491
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Speaker 4: brother is tweeting out this is going twelve rounds. I mean,

492
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Speaker 4: at what point does this turn from circus to kind

493
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Speaker 4: of like some Shakespearean act where it's really just sad

494
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Speaker 4: and depressive.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, I mean, I would say that, like a lot

496
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Speaker 8: of this is kind of you know, what Jerry's invited

497
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Speaker 8: over the last few years in the way he's handled

498
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Speaker 8: a lot of these contract negotiations.

499
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Speaker 5: The pacing of.

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Speaker 8: It actually isn't much different than the negotiation with Zach

501
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Speaker 8: Martin two years ago, with the negotiation with Ceedee Lamb

502
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Speaker 8: and Dak Prescott last year, where you know, offers were

503
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Speaker 8: made very early in the off season and then there

504
00:23:41,440 --> 00:23:43,919
Speaker 8: was you know, basically radio silence. The team goes to

505
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Speaker 8: California for camp, there's not much movement, and then at

506
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Speaker 8: the very end there's a push to get a deal done.

507
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Speaker 8: Now we'll see what happens and what results from that

508
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Speaker 8: final push to get the deal done.

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Speaker 3: You know.

510
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Speaker 8: But I'd say there are you know, a couple of

511
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Speaker 8: key differences between this one and those. You know, one

512
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Speaker 8: certainly is you know, the the public rankor that this

513
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Speaker 8: sort of taking place over the course the last three

514
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Speaker 8: or four months, where a lot of this stuff has

515
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Speaker 8: gotten out there and become kind of nasty in the

516
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Speaker 8: public forum, whether it's between you know, Jerry and the

517
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Speaker 8: agent David Mullagetta whether it's between Micah and the team itself.

518
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Speaker 8: Obviously there's the stuff at the stadium that last preseason

519
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Speaker 8: game with the nachos and the lying on the training table,

520
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Speaker 8: So this one's gotten more public publicly nasty than than

521
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Speaker 8: than those before it.

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Speaker 5: The other difference is just.

523
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Speaker 8: Kind of how these guys are seen in the locker room,

524
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Speaker 8: you know. And I would say, you know, Dak and

525
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Speaker 8: CD and Zach Martin were all beloved figures in the

526
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Speaker 8: locker room, and I don't know that it's quite that

527
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Speaker 8: way with Micah. Now it doesn't have to be. He's

528
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Speaker 8: a great player, you know. He's a motivated player, you know,

529
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Speaker 8: and I think that if you pay him, he's going

530
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Speaker 8: to be worth every penny. But that does add a

531
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Speaker 8: different twist to the tenor and negotiat and so.

532
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Speaker 5: I can see them getting a deal done in the

533
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Speaker 5: next week.

534
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Speaker 8: I could also see this, you know, turning into something

535
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Speaker 8: that drags into the season where you know, all of

536
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Speaker 8: a sudden, Michah Parson's.

537
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Speaker 5: Back is acting up or his ankle is acting up, and.

538
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Speaker 8: You just kind of have this like weird sideways sort

539
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Speaker 8: of season from one of your very best players, which

540
00:25:24,640 --> 00:25:26,840
Speaker 8: of course can put the rest of the team in a.

541
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Speaker 2: Tough spot too. Be sure to catch live editions of

542
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Speaker 2: The Herd weekdays and neonon Easter not a Empacific.

543
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Speaker 4: Yeah, at what point, I mean, Micah probably has a

544
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Speaker 4: little more ammo to empty the clip.

545
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Speaker 3: I mean, he could simply go on his own.

546
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Speaker 4: Podcast and go off, yeah and shift the attention from Jerry.

547
00:25:42,880 --> 00:25:45,040
Speaker 4: He could control the narrative. Jerry can meet the media

548
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Speaker 4: as much as he wants. I mean, I know he's

549
00:25:47,240 --> 00:25:49,880
Speaker 4: a billionaire and he's the owner. I think Micah has

550
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Speaker 4: the leverage here. Let me get on the screen, Albert.

551
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Speaker 4: We looked at the twenty twenty one draft, all the

552
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Speaker 4: best players in the first round and Jamar Chase signed

553
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Speaker 4: Davante's Smith extension.

554
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Speaker 3: All these guys got their deals.

555
00:26:02,520 --> 00:26:07,240
Speaker 4: Early, held the DeVonta Smithfield has done seventeen months ago. Okay,

556
00:26:07,880 --> 00:26:09,560
Speaker 4: there's one guy on the list who doesn't have a deal.

557
00:26:10,160 --> 00:26:13,280
Speaker 4: Doesn't this even further, Amma, Like Jerry doesn't know what

558
00:26:13,359 --> 00:26:14,040
Speaker 4: the hell he's doing.

559
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Speaker 8: But again, like this is sort of the way that

560
00:26:16,240 --> 00:26:19,159
Speaker 8: they've handled it, like, and I think that's part of it,

561
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Speaker 8: is he does know what he's doing, you know what

562
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Speaker 8: I mean? Like and I think there's a piece of it,

563
00:26:23,280 --> 00:26:24,960
Speaker 8: Like for a lot of these owners it's keeping the

564
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Speaker 8: money in your own pocket for as long as you can,

565
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Speaker 8: and that could be an element here. It's control over workforce,

566
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Speaker 8: which is something Jerry's talked about in the public forum

567
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Speaker 8: and in the private forum too, of the of the

568
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Speaker 8: of the ownership meetings.

569
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Speaker 5: Wait wait, hold on, what do you one of the

570
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Speaker 5: leaders in.

571
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Speaker 8: The pack when it comes to that stuff and making

572
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Speaker 8: sure that everybody knows who's in charge, you know. And

573
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Speaker 8: then I think there's also the entertainment aspect to it,

574
00:26:51,880 --> 00:26:55,560
Speaker 8: you know. And I I a couple of years ago,

575
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Speaker 8: I would have told you were crazy for saying these things,

576
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Speaker 8: and I thought people were kind of off base when

577
00:26:59,359 --> 00:27:03,119
Speaker 8: they did say But the more it's happened this way,

578
00:27:03,240 --> 00:27:06,000
Speaker 8: and the less aggressive that they've gotten about doing deals

579
00:27:06,400 --> 00:27:09,880
Speaker 8: in the months of June and July, the more I thought,

580
00:27:09,920 --> 00:27:14,080
Speaker 8: like maybe there is you know, a side benefit that

581
00:27:14,160 --> 00:27:16,679
Speaker 8: he sees in this whole thing that they're going to

582
00:27:16,680 --> 00:27:18,320
Speaker 8: be in the a block and a lot of you

583
00:27:18,359 --> 00:27:20,439
Speaker 8: know a lot of shows like this one, you know,

584
00:27:20,680 --> 00:27:23,320
Speaker 8: like that they're going to be the most important thing

585
00:27:23,320 --> 00:27:25,639
Speaker 8: over the summer. I mean, will we really be talking

586
00:27:25,640 --> 00:27:28,160
Speaker 8: about the Cowboys right now if it weren't for this, No,

587
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Speaker 8: j Mac No, I mean it's sort of I don't know.

588
00:27:31,600 --> 00:27:33,960
Speaker 8: I mean that maybe because the coaching changed, but they didn't.

589
00:27:34,240 --> 00:27:36,480
Speaker 8: I mean, all due respect Brian Schottenheimer, this wasn't like

590
00:27:36,520 --> 00:27:40,000
Speaker 8: a headline grabbing higher. You know, Dak's coming back for

591
00:27:40,040 --> 00:27:42,960
Speaker 8: another year. I just I don't know if there's anything

592
00:27:42,960 --> 00:27:45,640
Speaker 8: that will capture the imagination of the public that's going

593
00:27:45,680 --> 00:27:46,679
Speaker 8: on there right now.

594
00:27:47,280 --> 00:27:48,560
Speaker 5: And so if you want.

595
00:27:48,400 --> 00:27:51,960
Speaker 8: To be a real conspiracy theory theorist about this, you

596
00:27:51,960 --> 00:27:54,399
Speaker 8: could look at it and say, Jerry's going to get

597
00:27:54,440 --> 00:27:55,200
Speaker 8: a deal done.

598
00:27:55,040 --> 00:27:57,760
Speaker 5: His way early, or you're going to have to wait

599
00:27:57,840 --> 00:27:58,360
Speaker 5: until late.

600
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Speaker 8: And the headlines may be part of the benefit for

601
00:28:02,040 --> 00:28:03,720
Speaker 8: for Jerry when it comes to all that.

602
00:28:03,840 --> 00:28:05,760
Speaker 3: Okay, So Albert, you're a smart guy.

603
00:28:06,080 --> 00:28:10,040
Speaker 4: You've been in radio, TV, writing, you cover the league forever.

604
00:28:10,920 --> 00:28:13,199
Speaker 4: Do you want to win headlines and be in the

605
00:28:13,200 --> 00:28:15,800
Speaker 4: A bloc in July and August or do you want

606
00:28:15,840 --> 00:28:19,119
Speaker 4: to be in playoff games that matter in January and

607
00:28:19,160 --> 00:28:20,480
Speaker 4: get into the game in February?

608
00:28:20,640 --> 00:28:21,520
Speaker 3: Like, well, you know what.

609
00:28:21,480 --> 00:28:23,199
Speaker 5: My answer is exactly, and.

610
00:28:23,440 --> 00:28:25,239
Speaker 4: That's well, the only reason I'm pushing back. Now, you

611
00:28:25,280 --> 00:28:28,080
Speaker 4: said an interesting phrase. I almost didn't like it where

612
00:28:28,080 --> 00:28:33,000
Speaker 4: you said control over players. So are any are any

613
00:28:33,080 --> 00:28:36,960
Speaker 4: other owners speaking in that tone like that vibe, Hey,

614
00:28:37,200 --> 00:28:39,000
Speaker 4: we got to let them know who's in charge or

615
00:28:39,040 --> 00:28:39,640
Speaker 4: is that just.

616
00:28:39,520 --> 00:28:41,880
Speaker 5: A jar think that? I mean most of them think

617
00:28:41,920 --> 00:28:43,280
Speaker 5: that way. I get that, if you want to the

618
00:28:43,280 --> 00:28:45,120
Speaker 5: truth of it, most of them think that way.

619
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Speaker 8: I mean, that's why there are so many rules in

620
00:28:47,640 --> 00:28:50,240
Speaker 8: the CBA that pertain to this sort of stuff, you know,

621
00:28:50,520 --> 00:28:53,840
Speaker 8: like whether it's franchise tags, it's strengthening the rules over

622
00:28:53,920 --> 00:28:57,400
Speaker 8: holding out. I mean, guys have to pay fifty thousand

623
00:28:57,400 --> 00:29:01,840
Speaker 8: a day for for for for days they miss in

624
00:29:01,920 --> 00:29:04,960
Speaker 8: training camp, you know, And that's why players have had

625
00:29:04,960 --> 00:29:08,080
Speaker 8: to get more creative and doing things like holding So, like,

626
00:29:08,160 --> 00:29:13,080
Speaker 8: if you don't think your owner has has has that

627
00:29:13,160 --> 00:29:16,360
Speaker 8: in the back of his head and how you can

628
00:29:16,400 --> 00:29:20,120
Speaker 8: maintain control over his workforce, like you.

629
00:29:20,240 --> 00:29:22,960
Speaker 5: Are either you know, rooting for one of the teams,

630
00:29:23,080 --> 00:29:23,600
Speaker 5: the rare.

631
00:29:23,480 --> 00:29:25,760
Speaker 8: Guy like that, or you have your head in the

632
00:29:25,800 --> 00:29:27,480
Speaker 8: clouds about the way these guys operate.

633
00:29:27,720 --> 00:29:29,840
Speaker 5: Just reality of it, you know what I mean. Like, so,

634
00:29:30,360 --> 00:29:30,680
Speaker 5: I think.

635
00:29:30,640 --> 00:29:33,120
Speaker 8: Jerry's a little bit more forceful about it, and Jerry's

636
00:29:33,360 --> 00:29:36,080
Speaker 8: probably one of the more vocal guys inside the meeting room,

637
00:29:36,120 --> 00:29:38,880
Speaker 8: but it exists everywhere, and it's all over the CBA.

638
00:29:39,240 --> 00:29:41,959
Speaker 8: You know, there's so many different things in the CBA

639
00:29:42,120 --> 00:29:43,880
Speaker 8: that the point to even the length of it, you

640
00:29:43,960 --> 00:29:45,960
Speaker 8: know what I mean, Like doing a ten year deal

641
00:29:46,000 --> 00:29:48,640
Speaker 8: where you have the opt outs, Like what is that?

642
00:29:48,640 --> 00:29:51,760
Speaker 5: That's control over workforce? So I mean, I know that's

643
00:29:51,800 --> 00:29:54,880
Speaker 5: sort of a corporate term for it, but it's exactly

644
00:29:54,960 --> 00:29:55,520
Speaker 5: what it is.

645
00:29:55,760 --> 00:29:57,600
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, Jerry could go to the table and

646
00:29:57,640 --> 00:29:59,200
Speaker 4: say we have you for the next three years.

647
00:29:59,240 --> 00:30:00,520
Speaker 3: You can't do anything, come play.

648
00:30:01,080 --> 00:30:03,640
Speaker 4: And honestly, I'm at the point whereer, you know, I'm

649
00:30:03,640 --> 00:30:06,560
Speaker 4: not rich or wealthy. If I were a rich guy

650
00:30:06,600 --> 00:30:09,080
Speaker 4: and I sided with Michael Parson, I'd say, Micah, I

651
00:30:09,120 --> 00:30:09,440
Speaker 4: got you.

652
00:30:09,520 --> 00:30:11,480
Speaker 3: I'll float some of your lifestyle. I don't want you

653
00:30:11,520 --> 00:30:13,560
Speaker 3: go on a plane. Get your contract.

654
00:30:13,600 --> 00:30:16,120
Speaker 4: You deserve it, You've earned it, just like everybody else

655
00:30:16,160 --> 00:30:17,080
Speaker 4: in your draft class.

656
00:30:17,240 --> 00:30:18,720
Speaker 3: Go screw listening to him.

657
00:30:19,000 --> 00:30:20,920
Speaker 4: I mean, again, maybe that's a little aggressive on my.

658
00:30:20,920 --> 00:30:22,560
Speaker 8: Part, but I mean, but that's the thing is like,

659
00:30:22,680 --> 00:30:26,080
Speaker 8: so what Jerry's told him is like, we have you

660
00:30:26,120 --> 00:30:28,240
Speaker 8: for the next three years. Well, why do they have

661
00:30:28,320 --> 00:30:30,680
Speaker 8: him for the next three years, because for the next

662
00:30:30,680 --> 00:30:32,320
Speaker 8: three years, because they have the last year of his

663
00:30:32,400 --> 00:30:37,960
Speaker 8: contract franchise Tag one, franchise Tag two. And so those

664
00:30:37,960 --> 00:30:41,640
Speaker 8: are mechanisms of control, you know. And I mean there

665
00:30:41,640 --> 00:30:44,320
Speaker 8: are teams that are more aggressive, so they don't have

666
00:30:44,400 --> 00:30:47,560
Speaker 8: to use those mechanisms of control because they don't want

667
00:30:47,600 --> 00:30:49,640
Speaker 8: it to come to that point with their players. You know,

668
00:30:49,680 --> 00:30:51,960
Speaker 8: in a lot of cases, you have a good relationship

669
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Speaker 8: with your player and you just don't want it to

670
00:30:54,640 --> 00:30:55,080
Speaker 8: come to that.

671
00:30:55,160 --> 00:30:56,000
Speaker 5: You may believe that.

672
00:30:55,960 --> 00:30:58,880
Speaker 8: You should have control over your workforce, but you know,

673
00:30:59,160 --> 00:31:01,360
Speaker 8: the Eagles are a great example of it, Like where

674
00:31:01,400 --> 00:31:05,720
Speaker 8: you mentioned DeVante Smith, like they never just things, never

675
00:31:06,480 --> 00:31:08,280
Speaker 8: like came even close to coming to a head with

676
00:31:08,320 --> 00:31:09,520
Speaker 8: him because he did him so early.

677
00:31:09,720 --> 00:31:12,640
Speaker 5: You know Aj Brown, They revised his contract, they.

678
00:31:12,560 --> 00:31:17,400
Speaker 8: Gave him, you know, a big bump when when he

679
00:31:17,400 --> 00:31:20,200
Speaker 8: had outplayed the contracts he initially signed.

680
00:31:20,240 --> 00:31:23,800
Speaker 5: So there are definitely ways to avoid it.

681
00:31:23,840 --> 00:31:26,800
Speaker 8: There are definitely teams that don't want to exert it.

682
00:31:27,080 --> 00:31:30,560
Speaker 8: Jerry's just never been afraid to exert these sorts of mechanisms.

683
00:31:30,560 --> 00:31:33,760
Speaker 5: And again, like that whole thing, like I have.

684
00:31:33,680 --> 00:31:37,080
Speaker 8: You for the next three years, even though you're only

685
00:31:37,160 --> 00:31:41,320
Speaker 8: under contract for the next year. Is of course, you know,

686
00:31:41,520 --> 00:31:45,800
Speaker 8: a pretty clear way of explaining to your player, like,

687
00:31:46,320 --> 00:31:50,360
Speaker 8: even after your contract expires, I still have you because

688
00:31:50,360 --> 00:31:51,240
Speaker 8: of the rules that we put in.

689
00:31:51,520 --> 00:31:52,080
Speaker 3: I don't like that.

690
00:31:52,120 --> 00:31:54,120
Speaker 4: I mean, maybe the WNBA player should talk to the

691
00:31:54,240 --> 00:31:56,120
Speaker 4: NFL guys and be like, hey, hey, oh you guys,

692
00:31:56,120 --> 00:31:57,200
Speaker 4: this is the playbook, is.

693
00:31:57,120 --> 00:31:57,720
Speaker 3: What we're going to do.

694
00:31:57,880 --> 00:32:01,560
Speaker 4: But the other thing looking at that, Sean Slater got

695
00:32:01,600 --> 00:32:05,760
Speaker 4: a new contract July twenty seventh, two weeks later torn

696
00:32:05,800 --> 00:32:09,240
Speaker 4: patella out for the year. He doesn't have to worry

697
00:32:09,240 --> 00:32:11,800
Speaker 4: about anything. Albert, he got he got his money. Hey,

698
00:32:11,920 --> 00:32:15,560
Speaker 4: don't rush back. We're good, you got your contract. We're happy,

699
00:32:16,400 --> 00:32:17,040
Speaker 4: like I'm.

700
00:32:17,240 --> 00:32:19,120
Speaker 8: I mean, Cale McGarry's the other one that's not his

701
00:32:19,240 --> 00:32:21,560
Speaker 8: high profile, but he got hurt in Atlanta, I think,

702
00:32:21,680 --> 00:32:24,600
Speaker 8: a few days after his contract. There are tons of

703
00:32:24,640 --> 00:32:27,120
Speaker 8: examples of it, for sure, and that's that's part of

704
00:32:27,160 --> 00:32:29,480
Speaker 8: the leverage that owners have, is fear that something like

705
00:32:29,520 --> 00:32:30,400
Speaker 8: this is going to happen.

706
00:32:30,720 --> 00:32:30,880
Speaker 3: Yees.

707
00:32:30,960 --> 00:32:32,960
Speaker 4: So if I'm Micah, hey man, I just saw what

708
00:32:32,960 --> 00:32:35,240
Speaker 4: happened to McGary, what happens later, I'm sorry, I don't

709
00:32:35,240 --> 00:32:35,800
Speaker 4: want to go out there.

710
00:32:35,840 --> 00:32:39,000
Speaker 3: My back is hurt. I mean, honestly, you have to.

711
00:32:39,120 --> 00:32:41,480
Speaker 4: If you're Dak Prescott and you probably know him as

712
00:32:41,480 --> 00:32:45,000
Speaker 4: well as anybody who covers teams, at some point he has.

713
00:32:44,920 --> 00:32:46,520
Speaker 3: To think, hey, man, I got paid. I don't care.

714
00:32:46,560 --> 00:32:48,280
Speaker 3: We're not winning the super Bowl, We're not sniffing it.

715
00:32:48,600 --> 00:32:50,440
Speaker 4: I mean, I think the Eagles have a better chance

716
00:32:50,480 --> 00:32:52,520
Speaker 4: to repeat than Dallas does even getting.

717
00:32:52,280 --> 00:32:53,000
Speaker 3: To the playoffs.

718
00:32:53,480 --> 00:32:55,240
Speaker 4: And I think Dak is probably fine with that. Hey

719
00:32:55,280 --> 00:32:57,760
Speaker 4: I'm wealthy, I've got generational wealth. I got my girl,

720
00:32:57,800 --> 00:32:58,480
Speaker 4: I got my kid.

721
00:32:59,000 --> 00:32:59,480
Speaker 3: I'm fine.

722
00:32:59,520 --> 00:33:01,479
Speaker 4: I don't At some point, you just have to not

723
00:33:01,560 --> 00:33:04,080
Speaker 4: care because if the owner doesn't seem to care, why

724
00:33:04,080 --> 00:33:05,960
Speaker 4: should the quarterback. I'm just gonna go play and make

725
00:33:06,000 --> 00:33:06,640
Speaker 4: money and that's it.

726
00:33:08,200 --> 00:33:09,960
Speaker 8: Yeah, I mean, I see what you're saying. I mean,

727
00:33:09,960 --> 00:33:12,040
Speaker 8: but there's also like you only have so many years

728
00:33:12,080 --> 00:33:16,280
Speaker 8: to to to to maximize your time in the field,

729
00:33:16,440 --> 00:33:18,239
Speaker 8: you know how you're going to be remembered and all

730
00:33:18,360 --> 00:33:21,320
Speaker 8: that different stuff. And I think you know, Dak's not

731
00:33:21,400 --> 00:33:23,680
Speaker 8: really wired that way where it's where it's like, okay,

732
00:33:23,720 --> 00:33:26,160
Speaker 8: like well, like my owner is as all and as

733
00:33:26,200 --> 00:33:27,920
Speaker 8: I am so I'm not going to put as much

734
00:33:27,920 --> 00:33:30,040
Speaker 8: into it, Like I just I have a hard time

735
00:33:30,160 --> 00:33:33,840
Speaker 8: envisioning ever seeing anything that anything like that happening with

736
00:33:34,040 --> 00:33:38,520
Speaker 8: that particular guy like Dak Prescott's not that way, but

737
00:33:38,560 --> 00:33:42,080
Speaker 8: I would agree that like it doesn't always send the

738
00:33:42,080 --> 00:33:44,320
Speaker 8: best message to your locker room when you're doing these

739
00:33:44,320 --> 00:33:48,480
Speaker 8: sorts of things, you know, I mean, I think in

740
00:33:48,520 --> 00:33:51,760
Speaker 8: a lot of ways, these contract negotiations send messages to

741
00:33:51,760 --> 00:33:54,600
Speaker 8: the locker room. And I think, you know, for example,

742
00:33:54,680 --> 00:33:56,920
Speaker 8: like Terry McLaurin in Washington, I think one of the

743
00:33:56,960 --> 00:34:00,720
Speaker 8: tricky things about that one is, and was over the

744
00:34:00,760 --> 00:34:03,080
Speaker 8: course of the last few months, was like, I mean,

745
00:34:03,400 --> 00:34:06,320
Speaker 8: if you're if you're in a negotiation with somebody who

746
00:34:06,360 --> 00:34:08,120
Speaker 8: isn't all that well liked or well respected in the

747
00:34:08,120 --> 00:34:11,040
Speaker 8: locker room and there's a dispute, well, I think guys

748
00:34:11,120 --> 00:34:13,520
Speaker 8: kind of, you know, just look the other way on it.

749
00:34:14,000 --> 00:34:17,239
Speaker 8: But if it's a guy like a McLaurin, like, they're

750
00:34:17,280 --> 00:34:18,680
Speaker 8: gonna be guys in the locker room, they're gonna look

751
00:34:18,680 --> 00:34:20,640
Speaker 8: at it and say, like, you messed with that guy,

752
00:34:21,120 --> 00:34:23,319
Speaker 8: And now that they've paid him, they can point and say,

753
00:34:23,360 --> 00:34:25,319
Speaker 8: you know what, we took care of him like it was.

754
00:34:25,440 --> 00:34:27,960
Speaker 8: It got a little messy, but in the end we

755
00:34:28,080 --> 00:34:30,799
Speaker 8: were we were able to find a solution and he's

756
00:34:30,840 --> 00:34:31,840
Speaker 8: happy and we're happy.

757
00:34:31,920 --> 00:34:34,080
Speaker 5: And that's the kind of guy that we pay.

758
00:34:34,239 --> 00:34:39,680
Speaker 8: So, you know, I think more often than more often

759
00:34:39,719 --> 00:34:44,719
Speaker 8: than people realize, players keep score by contract, players keep

760
00:34:44,760 --> 00:34:48,360
Speaker 8: score by money, and so you know, they're paying attention

761
00:34:48,440 --> 00:34:51,080
Speaker 8: to the way that you handle these sorts of negotiations

762
00:34:51,120 --> 00:34:53,799
Speaker 8: because they know if one of the biggest stars in

763
00:34:53,840 --> 00:34:56,320
Speaker 8: the team can be treated a certain way, well, and

764
00:34:56,440 --> 00:34:58,160
Speaker 8: they're certainly not going to be exempt from it.

765
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Speaker 3: Right, let's move off the Cowboys. I know management will

766
00:35:01,120 --> 00:35:01,839
Speaker 3: love that.

767
00:35:02,920 --> 00:35:05,560
Speaker 4: I do have to ask, I'm taking some heat in Chicago,

768
00:35:05,640 --> 00:35:08,920
Speaker 4: Albert Okay, yeah, they're upset with me, Kyle Long. Is

769
00:35:09,000 --> 00:35:13,319
Speaker 4: they taking jabs at me like this? Caleb Williams Ben

770
00:35:13,400 --> 00:35:17,399
Speaker 4: Johnson stuff. Again, I'm listening to the quotes and I'm

771
00:35:17,440 --> 00:35:20,000
Speaker 4: looking at the actions of Ben Johnson, and I'm just

772
00:35:20,040 --> 00:35:22,640
Speaker 4: telling you, from my point of view, something's going on there.

773
00:35:22,920 --> 00:35:24,879
Speaker 4: It doesn't feel like it's off to a good start.

774
00:35:24,880 --> 00:35:27,160
Speaker 4: They've had like four or five months together, and the

775
00:35:27,320 --> 00:35:29,759
Speaker 4: messaging from Ben. Now, maybe this is his personality.

776
00:35:29,800 --> 00:35:30,840
Speaker 3: I don't know. His upbringing.

777
00:35:30,840 --> 00:35:35,040
Speaker 4: I don't know his background. It just doesn't seem positive.

778
00:35:35,239 --> 00:35:38,360
Speaker 4: And then they signed Bagent to a random out of nowhere.

779
00:35:38,360 --> 00:35:40,200
Speaker 4: This guy came out of nowhere and they just signed

780
00:35:40,239 --> 00:35:42,160
Speaker 4: him to a deal. I'm like, what is happening? So

781
00:35:42,280 --> 00:35:44,640
Speaker 4: to maybe talk talk bears fans off the ledge or

782
00:35:44,840 --> 00:35:45,960
Speaker 4: side with me either one.

783
00:35:46,080 --> 00:35:48,080
Speaker 8: I think he's being I think I think Ben's being

784
00:35:48,080 --> 00:35:52,000
Speaker 8: intentionally tough on on on Caleb Williams like.

785
00:35:52,000 --> 00:35:54,280
Speaker 5: I think that's that that that's.

786
00:35:54,239 --> 00:35:57,440
Speaker 8: Really the long and short of it, And this is

787
00:35:57,480 --> 00:35:59,840
Speaker 8: Ben being himself and this is the way he coaches,

788
00:36:00,040 --> 00:36:02,799
Speaker 8: and you know, as far as I can tell, like,

789
00:36:02,880 --> 00:36:06,040
Speaker 8: Caleb has been on board with it, and it produced

790
00:36:06,120 --> 00:36:09,360
Speaker 8: some really ugly days early in training camp, like it

791
00:36:09,400 --> 00:36:12,480
Speaker 8: did not look good. But if you talked to Ben

792
00:36:12,520 --> 00:36:14,440
Speaker 8: about it, what he would tell you is we were

793
00:36:14,480 --> 00:36:16,480
Speaker 8: going through a process where we wanted to feed him

794
00:36:16,480 --> 00:36:19,400
Speaker 8: through a fire hose and give him as much as

795
00:36:19,440 --> 00:36:23,080
Speaker 8: we possibly could, overload him with information, overload him with scheme,

796
00:36:23,760 --> 00:36:27,320
Speaker 8: and then come back and narrow down what he's doing

797
00:36:27,400 --> 00:36:28,960
Speaker 8: and figure out what he does well and what he

798
00:36:29,000 --> 00:36:30,680
Speaker 8: doesn't do well. So of the stuff that he doesn't

799
00:36:30,680 --> 00:36:33,839
Speaker 8: do well out and build an offense around his strengths,

800
00:36:34,320 --> 00:36:39,839
Speaker 8: and so I think, like you juxtapose the early days

801
00:36:39,880 --> 00:36:44,200
Speaker 8: in camp against the second preseason game, and you see

802
00:36:44,239 --> 00:36:46,520
Speaker 8: a guy who was playing much faster. You see a

803
00:36:46,520 --> 00:36:49,880
Speaker 8: guy who's playing much more confidently because they had figured

804
00:36:49,920 --> 00:36:53,439
Speaker 8: out exactly what he does best. They'd honed in on that,

805
00:36:54,000 --> 00:36:56,759
Speaker 8: and then they really sort of fine tune some of

806
00:36:56,760 --> 00:36:59,080
Speaker 8: the stuff as far as how fast he's playing, how.

807
00:36:59,080 --> 00:37:00,640
Speaker 5: Quick the ball is getting out, all of that.

808
00:37:01,360 --> 00:37:04,560
Speaker 8: And I know it didn't look quite the same against

809
00:37:04,640 --> 00:37:07,160
Speaker 8: Kansas City. He wasn't quite as sharp against Kansas City

810
00:37:07,200 --> 00:37:09,919
Speaker 8: in the last preseason game. But I think this has

811
00:37:09,960 --> 00:37:12,160
Speaker 8: gone according to plan, and you know, we'll have to

812
00:37:12,160 --> 00:37:14,280
Speaker 8: see what it looks like when the regular season starts.

813
00:37:15,400 --> 00:37:17,840
Speaker 8: But I think people who've been around Ben would remind

814
00:37:17,960 --> 00:37:21,080
Speaker 8: you like they had days like this with Jared Goff

815
00:37:21,120 --> 00:37:23,960
Speaker 8: in training camp in Detroit, and nobody made this big

816
00:37:23,960 --> 00:37:26,200
Speaker 8: a deal out of it because golf was already a

817
00:37:26,320 --> 00:37:28,640
Speaker 8: proven commodity. We already had an idea of what golf is.

818
00:37:29,680 --> 00:37:31,600
Speaker 8: You know, we'll see if it works with the younger guy.

819
00:37:32,120 --> 00:37:32,440
Speaker 3: Huh.

820
00:37:32,560 --> 00:37:35,719
Speaker 4: That's positive and upbeat, and I like it. I appreciate it.

821
00:37:35,760 --> 00:37:38,960
Speaker 4: I do have to ask Caleb kind of had the

822
00:37:39,000 --> 00:37:40,839
Speaker 4: run of the show last year, he could do whatever

823
00:37:40,880 --> 00:37:41,240
Speaker 4: he wanted.

824
00:37:41,280 --> 00:37:42,480
Speaker 3: He was watching film by himself.

825
00:37:42,520 --> 00:37:45,400
Speaker 4: Reportedly, well, guess what the year prior at USC, he

826
00:37:45,480 --> 00:37:47,359
Speaker 4: was also just doing his own thing, a.

827
00:37:47,280 --> 00:37:49,120
Speaker 3: Lot of backyard football.

828
00:37:49,320 --> 00:37:52,319
Speaker 4: Right, So two years of just hey, freelance, make a play,

829
00:37:52,360 --> 00:37:53,480
Speaker 4: go go get us some points.

830
00:37:54,239 --> 00:37:55,680
Speaker 3: How tough is it going to be to go from

831
00:37:55,760 --> 00:37:57,759
Speaker 3: that into follow my lead?

832
00:37:58,400 --> 00:38:02,040
Speaker 4: Drop read react quickly like it's probably at least a

833
00:38:02,160 --> 00:38:05,600
Speaker 4: year with Ben before we see anything close to what

834
00:38:05,640 --> 00:38:06,040
Speaker 4: he wants.

835
00:38:06,080 --> 00:38:09,120
Speaker 8: Right, Well, it's a mentality change, you know. I mean,

836
00:38:09,120 --> 00:38:11,760
Speaker 8: you're you're trying to coach a playing style out of somebody,

837
00:38:11,760 --> 00:38:14,440
Speaker 8: and that's not an easy thing to do, you know.

838
00:38:14,480 --> 00:38:16,600
Speaker 5: I think beyond just that, like in.

839
00:38:16,480 --> 00:38:20,360
Speaker 8: College, like he was asked in a lot of cases

840
00:38:20,360 --> 00:38:23,799
Speaker 8: to be the best player on the field, and I

841
00:38:23,840 --> 00:38:27,520
Speaker 8: think you saw that reflected in the way that he played.

842
00:38:27,640 --> 00:38:30,680
Speaker 8: It was a lot of big play hunting, a lot

843
00:38:30,719 --> 00:38:34,600
Speaker 8: of passing up the the the easy stuff. And what

844
00:38:34,640 --> 00:38:39,200
Speaker 8: they're trying to teach him to do is play the

845
00:38:39,280 --> 00:38:44,120
Speaker 8: game and and and play quarterback and and in a

846
00:38:44,320 --> 00:38:47,120
Speaker 8: more between the lines sort of ways instead of constantly

847
00:38:47,160 --> 00:38:51,600
Speaker 8: coloring outside the lines. You can run and scramble to

848
00:38:52,000 --> 00:38:54,120
Speaker 8: create throws. In the NFL, you can't do it all

849
00:38:54,160 --> 00:38:56,319
Speaker 8: the time. And I think I'm a Homes because I'm

850
00:38:56,360 --> 00:38:58,600
Speaker 8: doing a story on Pat and Pat and I talked

851
00:38:58,640 --> 00:39:03,400
Speaker 8: about this, you know, earlier in the month. Is like,

852
00:39:04,160 --> 00:39:07,120
Speaker 8: if you look at his numbers, Mahomes' numbers, he averaged

853
00:39:07,160 --> 00:39:10,200
Speaker 8: over ten carries a game when he was at Texas Tech.

854
00:39:10,719 --> 00:39:14,040
Speaker 8: That number for his NFL career is under four per game.

855
00:39:14,680 --> 00:39:18,840
Speaker 8: And that's a very intentional thing that for Mahomes was

856
00:39:18,880 --> 00:39:20,480
Speaker 8: going from having to be the best player on the

857
00:39:20,480 --> 00:39:22,680
Speaker 8: field and almost every play too.

858
00:39:22,840 --> 00:39:24,320
Speaker 5: I've got good teammates around me.

859
00:39:24,600 --> 00:39:26,640
Speaker 8: I can trust them, I can get the ball in

860
00:39:26,680 --> 00:39:28,280
Speaker 8: their hands, and then when I need to be superman,

861
00:39:28,320 --> 00:39:30,719
Speaker 8: I can always put the cape on. That's what they're

862
00:39:30,719 --> 00:39:33,520
Speaker 8: trying to get Caleb to do in Chicago is there

863
00:39:33,560 --> 00:39:35,239
Speaker 8: are going to be certain plays where we just want

864
00:39:35,239 --> 00:39:36,880
Speaker 8: to have your hands at ten and two on the

865
00:39:36,880 --> 00:39:39,880
Speaker 8: wheel and just run the offense. And we know that,

866
00:39:39,920 --> 00:39:42,319
Speaker 8: we know that you're capable of the bigger stuff when

867
00:39:42,360 --> 00:39:44,560
Speaker 8: we need it, but it can't be all the time.

868
00:39:44,680 --> 00:39:47,520
Speaker 5: And I think there were points last year we saw.

869
00:39:47,400 --> 00:39:49,200
Speaker 8: What happens when he's trying to be that guy all

870
00:39:49,200 --> 00:39:51,960
Speaker 8: the time and they're trying to dial that back and say,

871
00:39:52,000 --> 00:39:54,719
Speaker 8: just play quarterback four times out of five, and then

872
00:39:54,719 --> 00:39:57,520
Speaker 8: that fifth time you can go and show everybody exactly

873
00:39:57,600 --> 00:39:58,360
Speaker 8: what you're capable of.

874
00:39:58,800 --> 00:40:02,080
Speaker 3: Your analogy for Klee have got me thinking of the.

875
00:40:02,000 --> 00:40:06,239
Speaker 4: Great movie Old School, where Will Ferrell, you know, used

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Speaker 4: to be a party animal. Then he's really resigned to

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Speaker 4: the birds, and his wife's like, we don't want to

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Speaker 4: see old Frank the tank and then he just comes

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Speaker 4: out and he's beer bong and or funneling whatever the

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Speaker 4: kids call it.

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Speaker 3: Anyways.

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Speaker 4: Albert Breer, Monday Morning Quarterback, Great stuff as always, Hey,

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Speaker 4: good luck to your Buckeyes this weekend.

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Speaker 3: I loaded up. I could use a new car, so

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Speaker 3: let's let's go buck guys.

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Speaker 5: Money on them.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, a couple of bucks.

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Speaker 5: I like it a while.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, we'll do all right, Albert, thank you, all right,