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Speaker 1: Be Around the NFL Podcast? Is this really the off season?

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Speaker 1: Welcome to another edition of the Around the NFL Podcast.

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Speaker 1: My name is Dan Hansas. Come to from a room

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Speaker 1: filled with some heroes, Mark Sessler, Greg Rosenthal. You know

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Speaker 1: this is not like any other off season. Really, there

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Speaker 1: is no off season, as market has reminded us constantly

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Speaker 1: over the last seven years of the show, at least

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Speaker 1: not for us. Um, we're always busy and we got

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Speaker 1: the draft coming up now, free agency, and the in

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Speaker 1: the rear view now and then the training camps and

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Speaker 1: then the season and you know it, it just goes

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Speaker 1: on and on and on. But also this has been

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Speaker 1: very different than every other off season obviously. UM, Chris

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Speaker 1: Westling our great friend and colleague on the show, and

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Speaker 1: passed away of course in February. And you know we've

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Speaker 1: talked about it a lot, boys, you know, just hunt,

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Speaker 1: you know, remembering Wes and mourning his loss and and

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Speaker 1: moving forward or at least attempting to. And UM, I

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Speaker 1: want to bring in somebody here as we start today's show.

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Speaker 1: Zach Kiefer of The Athletic, who did a great job, um,

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Speaker 1: remembering west in a piece in The Athletic. Really great stuff.

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Speaker 1: So UM to start today's show, before we get to

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Speaker 1: all the football stuff I want to talk about that.

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Speaker 1: Welcome Zach to the Around the NFL podcast. Thank you, Dan.

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Speaker 1: It is an honor to be on with you guys,

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Speaker 1: one of my favorite NFL podcasts. So I wish it

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Speaker 1: was under different circumstances, but I have UM learned a

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Speaker 1: lot about the late great Chris Wesley, and over the

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Speaker 1: last couple of months you certainly have. I mean that

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Speaker 1: is uh, you really did a great job in it,

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Speaker 1: and it and it required a sensitive touch and you

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Speaker 1: were always wary of that. And when you connected with

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Speaker 1: all of us and you spoke with all of us

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Speaker 1: Ricky Westling brothers, UM really appreciated you under standing kind

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Speaker 1: of the sensitivity of the topic. And I think he

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Speaker 1: really as I texted you this morning, you kind of

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Speaker 1: nailed the essence of the man. Um, what did you

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Speaker 1: learn about Wes? I mean, can I be honest, it

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Speaker 1: he was he was a character. I think, Mark, I

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Speaker 1: think at some point you like you were like you know,

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Speaker 1: west always loved to collect characters in his life. He

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Speaker 1: was the greatest character of all and I think you

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Speaker 1: guys all kind of told me that in your own

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Speaker 1: different way, because you each kind of had a different

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Speaker 1: relationship with him. Um, but what you know stood out

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Speaker 1: to me was this was a guy for a long time.

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Speaker 1: You know a lot of people know him as the

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Speaker 1: around the NFL guy, the football nerd, all that before that,

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Speaker 1: he was this guy that was really looking for something right.

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Speaker 1: He really was kind of this wandering soul and he

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Speaker 1: was looking for meaning in his life and in his job.

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Speaker 1: And it all kind of came together when Greg stumbled

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Speaker 1: upon this fifty thousand words you know, football story he

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Speaker 1: wrote for his old website, and everything really changed. And um,

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Speaker 1: you know, like I wrote in the story, he had

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Speaker 1: at the same time, like when you're writing about this guy,

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Speaker 1: if there's a high bar to clear, right, like you

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Speaker 1: unique individual. Um. I could almost hear West in the

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Speaker 1: how you carried out this project. UM. You know, I

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Speaker 1: Zach Kiefer would be the guy to write this, like

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Speaker 1: guys really really became really tight. Yeah, that's really well,

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Speaker 1: Like I think that's important. Like there's a reason people

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Speaker 1: Thanks and you know, you reading the story and that

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Speaker 1: it's in the athletic um. Uh, please check it out

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Speaker 1: Like I'm getting messages from people in Australia and England

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Speaker 1: He did like everyone he liked. Well, I am right,

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Speaker 1: we're all we've all got a little ego. But he

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Speaker 1: didn't like too much. He would he would, he would

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Speaker 1: want to he would want to move it on at

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Speaker 1: a at a certain point for sure. So so let's

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Speaker 1: let's do that. And just one more call to the article.

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Speaker 1: Go find it. I know it's behind a paywall, which

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Speaker 1: is tricky, and I would never tell you to find

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Speaker 1: it through ways that aren't paying for The Athletic because

436
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Speaker 1: it's a very good website. But find the article however,

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Speaker 1: you can um and check out the A t N

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Speaker 1: subreddit as well for discussion on it. UM. All right,

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Speaker 1: big show today, UM Zach obviously awesome guests. We have

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Speaker 1: another guest coming up later, Nate Tys, who is really

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Speaker 1: a guy that we like in respect um in the

442
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Speaker 1: in the draft game, and we're gonna have him on

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Speaker 1: the show to talk about some prospects that are jumping

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Speaker 1: out to him. The draft is not far off. I

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Speaker 1: know you said we're in the what did you call it?

446
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Speaker 1: In the last show mark the teens of April or

447
00:22:59,840 --> 00:23:02,040
Speaker 1: the I can't I can't remember what it was, and

448
00:23:02,119 --> 00:23:04,560
Speaker 1: I don't remember anything I said on this show, so

449
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Speaker 1: I don't know what I said in an anonymous time

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Speaker 1: of of the year, although I did think after the show, like,

451
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Speaker 1: you're kind of ragging on April a little bit. But

452
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Speaker 1: Colton is an April baby and me and your wife

453
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Speaker 1: share the same birthday, also in April, so a little

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Speaker 1: bit of an unnecessary pop there. And my father, so

455
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Speaker 1: I've checked the old man offensive box possible, and and

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Speaker 1: the biggest of all spots gets taken down a notch.

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Speaker 1: Proud of me, now, Dad, you know, not my total intention,

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Speaker 1: but you're right. The results are heard, it's stung. I'm

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Speaker 1: gonna be honest with you. Um yeah, So we're gonna

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Speaker 1: have Nate on. And also Greg wrote a banger on

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Speaker 1: the uh all the g ms in the league and

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Speaker 1: Greg a little bit of a twist. Do you want

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Speaker 1: to get into it? Well, we're doing news first. We

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Speaker 1: could we could do whatever you want first. All right,

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Speaker 1: let's do this. Let's do this. Let's do some news.

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Speaker 1: Get caught up there, hit Greg's gms and then bring

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Speaker 1: in Tice. What a show, not Mike Tye and Nate

468
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Speaker 1: tie does it keep the pencil behind his ear? I

469
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Speaker 1: guess you'll have to wait to find out. Like the

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Speaker 1: old man, Mike always had that number two pencil behind

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Speaker 1: his ear. He was also he also famously missed a

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Speaker 1: draft pick in the first I mean, not all on him,

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Speaker 1: but that the Vikings. Did you remember that? Yeah, I

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Speaker 1: mean I don't think Maybe that um is something that

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Speaker 1: Nate would not want to comment on, but he probably

476
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Speaker 1: doesn't want to get to into like the dad thing.

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Speaker 1: I'm sure he gets that a lot. But but so

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Speaker 1: I'll say it for Mike Tyson did a lot more

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Speaker 1: winning than people remember it because because it did end poorly,

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Speaker 1: there were some wild there was some fun people stories

481
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Speaker 1: people had fun with. But he did he did a

482
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Speaker 1: sneaky amount of winning people forgetting. And I'm sure he

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Speaker 1: would respect his dad, unlike Mark with that. I mean,

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Speaker 1: I don't know what it is. I don't know. I'm

485
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Speaker 1: not sure what we're going here with that. I respect

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Speaker 1: Mike Tyson and my father. How about that? Nailed it.

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Speaker 1: Let's do some news now. I've always said I'm going

488
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Speaker 1: to the wheels come off, and uh they' finally have

489
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Speaker 1: fallen off due to an injury last year. I'll be

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Speaker 1: making my official announcement of my retirement from football. There

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Speaker 1: is Julian Edelman, uh Patriots great, one of the more

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Speaker 1: productive and successful wide receivers in the history of that

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Speaker 1: esteemed franchise. Listen, I don't hold anything against him. These players,

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Speaker 1: they give up so much um to build football careers,

495
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Speaker 1: and if they have a really successful one like Julian

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Speaker 1: Edelman did. Who am I to mock his retirement video?

497
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Speaker 1: But I will say the three sixty pan around Julian

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Speaker 1: Edelman at midfield of Gillette Stadium with him just looking

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Speaker 1: around the stadium, and I guess, awe and reverence um

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Speaker 1: and really, I mean really going for it. It It probably

501
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Speaker 1: took about thirty seconds and then he began his model log.

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Speaker 1: That was the good stuff. That's the cringe comedy that

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Speaker 1: I enjoy it is I'm watching that. I was just like,

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Speaker 1: this is one of those things. If it was any

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Speaker 1: other team, you know, favorite player, I would just be

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Speaker 1: mocking this so hard. But what it's your player, You're

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Speaker 1: just like, yeah, take take whatever time you need. Julian,

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Speaker 1: by the way, did you make it to the very end?

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Speaker 1: You probably didn't where a spaceship. A spaceship beamed him up,

510
00:26:25,400 --> 00:26:29,120
Speaker 1: which was a pretty big tonal shift. I'm not even joking. Um.

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Speaker 1: I liked it. It added a little I'm absolutely serious.

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Speaker 1: It added a little levity to what was a little

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Speaker 1: very self serious. But wait a second, so much so

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Speaker 1: much effort ince of building up the gravitass you can't

515
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Speaker 1: It's a total disconnect. It didn't really make sense. It

516
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Speaker 1: was kind of like in a jut Apata movie sometimes

517
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Speaker 1: they suddenly changed tone a little hard. It doesn't quite work,

518
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Speaker 1: but but it was fun. I like that he added

519
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Speaker 1: that to it was Julian Edelman's this is forty moment

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Speaker 1: I least like Julian Edelman is the And I think

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Speaker 1: I've probably mentioned this before, but the first person that

522
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Speaker 1: I interviewed, the first player I ever interviewed at NFL

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Speaker 1: dot com, and it was like when he was essentially unknown,

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Speaker 1: I mean, he was well, he just he was he

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Speaker 1: still though he had this like beautiful long um thor

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Speaker 1: like hair. And now this was the same day where

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Speaker 1: Dan and I both were dispatched. I think they were

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Speaker 1: kind of testing to see, you know, if we could

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Speaker 1: even do this and he Yeah, we had the chops

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Speaker 1: Dan when it interviewed Brandon Lloyd. And I'll let Dan

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Speaker 1: explain that. But I learned that day that that version

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Speaker 1: of Edelman, I think the whole beam me up and

533
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Speaker 1: what he was in that announcement, He's really evolved as

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Speaker 1: a person. I mean, he's not tight lipped like some

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Speaker 1: Patriots players were, but he was back then. And it

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Speaker 1: was like five questions with Julian Edelman. I could not

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Speaker 1: get him to say anything at all. And in fact,

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Speaker 1: I even asked if he had like tried to get funny,

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Speaker 1: if he had molded his hair off of Thor the

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Speaker 1: Marvel character, and he would just looked at me like,

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Speaker 1: this person is a nut. This person is a total nut.

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00:27:59,600 --> 00:28:01,800
Speaker 1: And Dan the interviewing Brandon Lloyd and having I look

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Speaker 1: over and he's like they're both giggling and laughing and

544
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Speaker 1: enjoying each other, and it's just like I learned a

545
00:28:05,920 --> 00:28:08,840
Speaker 1: lot about the Patriots culture that day. Yeah, he never

546
00:28:08,880 --> 00:28:11,480
Speaker 1: really got off that too much with the video, but

547
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Speaker 1: he um, he was such a fascinating player. And the

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Speaker 1: Hall of Fame argument that everyone's been having on Twitter

549
00:28:19,720 --> 00:28:22,760
Speaker 1: this week is so annoying because like I'm usually the

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Speaker 1: first one to talk all of the last. I'm interested

551
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Speaker 1: in the Hall of Fame as an entity, but you know,

552
00:28:29,080 --> 00:28:33,280
Speaker 1: sometimes you just wish you could just talk about um

553
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Speaker 1: what he was as a player, because he it was

554
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Speaker 1: so fascinating. I think there was levels to him. First

555
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Speaker 1: of all, he had like an uncannily similar career to

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Speaker 1: Troy Brown, which to me was Mr Patriots, the only

557
00:28:44,600 --> 00:28:47,080
Speaker 1: Jersey I own. When I think of the two thousands

558
00:28:47,480 --> 00:28:49,240
Speaker 1: in terms of the Patriots, I think of Troy Brown.

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Speaker 1: When I think of the two thousand tens, I think

560
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Speaker 1: Julian Edelman. Obviously, Brady is, you know, the guy who

561
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Speaker 1: puts it all together, and Gronk is like a superior player.

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Speaker 1: But to me, those were there too, glue eyes and

563
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Speaker 1: we're gonna talk blue guys on on our TV show

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Speaker 1: this week. And Edelman was a return guy who was

565
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Speaker 1: an incredible return er, like one of the best of

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Speaker 1: the last fifteen years as a returner, just like Troy

567
00:29:14,040 --> 00:29:17,200
Speaker 1: Brown had no like receiving production for three or four years,

568
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Speaker 1: finally gets his chance after Welker leaves and just takes over.

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Speaker 1: But so dynamic. I mean a college quarterback Kent State,

570
00:29:23,200 --> 00:29:25,840
Speaker 1: like a legit quarterback. It wasn't like, hey, I'm playing quarterbacks.

571
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Speaker 1: Sometimes I'm half you know. I think they ran a

572
00:29:28,080 --> 00:29:31,280
Speaker 1: crazy offense at Kent State, and he becomes this wide

573
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Speaker 1: receiver who was a seventh round pick but was so

574
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Speaker 1: explosive and uncanny. And I remember saying pretty early when

575
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Speaker 1: he started coming up, like I'm taking home over Welker

576
00:29:43,160 --> 00:29:46,200
Speaker 1: because he's making guys miss, He's making plays on his own.

577
00:29:46,240 --> 00:29:48,960
Speaker 1: The combination of what he could do with his mind

578
00:29:49,000 --> 00:29:52,160
Speaker 1: meld with Brady and the way he was just physically

579
00:29:52,160 --> 00:29:54,920
Speaker 1: gifted at getting open and doing things after the catch.

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00:29:55,160 --> 00:29:58,080
Speaker 1: He was such an integral, awesome, just player, And so

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Speaker 1: I don't care. I don't personally think he's a Hall

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00:29:59,720 --> 00:30:02,080
Speaker 1: of Fame. I don't care that much about that when

583
00:30:02,120 --> 00:30:05,680
Speaker 1: like that's dominating the thing. He had something greater, which

584
00:30:05,720 --> 00:30:09,160
Speaker 1: was like you knew him. You know everybody, you knew him.

585
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Speaker 1: He was in all the big spots. He played his

586
00:30:12,200 --> 00:30:14,480
Speaker 1: best in the biggest moments, and it's like, what's better

587
00:30:14,520 --> 00:30:16,760
Speaker 1: than that? You know that, that's what people know. I mean,

588
00:30:16,960 --> 00:30:19,320
Speaker 1: not here to to judge our contemporaries, but it just

589
00:30:19,320 --> 00:30:22,480
Speaker 1: seemed lazy too to just break it down to just

590
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Speaker 1: is he going to Canton or not when some guys

591
00:30:24,920 --> 00:30:27,400
Speaker 1: that's not the best way. Now, could he go to

592
00:30:27,440 --> 00:30:29,840
Speaker 1: the Hall of Fame? He could, And I think his

593
00:30:29,840 --> 00:30:32,200
Speaker 1: playoff resume is a big part of that. He had

594
00:30:32,480 --> 00:30:35,600
Speaker 1: a hundred and eighteen catches from four and two yards

595
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Speaker 1: and five touchdowns in the postseason, which is crazy. I

596
00:30:38,680 --> 00:30:40,840
Speaker 1: think about when I think about his big playoff moment,

597
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Speaker 1: Mark you and I I think West might have been

598
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Speaker 1: with us um as well. We were at Rocko's in

599
00:30:47,120 --> 00:30:49,880
Speaker 1: Culver City. It was a great back and forth playoff

600
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Speaker 1: game with the Ravens. I think it was the last

601
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Speaker 1: like Joe Flacco flash in the postseason where he was

602
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Speaker 1: just going toe to toe and out playing Brady for

603
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Speaker 1: a for a stretch of that game. Patriots come back

604
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Speaker 1: from multiple scores and the turning play of the game

605
00:31:03,120 --> 00:31:06,320
Speaker 1: was Julian Edelman throwing a perfect deep spiral on a

606
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Speaker 1: trick play to Danny Amondola. I mean, he was just

607
00:31:08,920 --> 00:31:11,320
Speaker 1: like the exact type of guy. Like not not to

608
00:31:11,320 --> 00:31:13,320
Speaker 1: bring it back to baseball, but like when I think

609
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Speaker 1: about my own dynasty I had in my life, the Yankees,

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Speaker 1: like Bernie Williams, like he was the Julian Edelman of

611
00:31:19,080 --> 00:31:20,720
Speaker 1: the Yankees. He's not going on the Hall of Fame.

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Speaker 1: He was never the best player on the team, but

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Speaker 1: you can't imagine how they would have been able to

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Speaker 1: sustain the greatness that they did without him at the center.

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Speaker 1: And I think he's one of the great all time

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Speaker 1: glue guys. I think Edelman is like when you think

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Speaker 1: about what it means to be a glue guy, Edelman

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00:31:34,360 --> 00:31:36,479
Speaker 1: was that for the Patriots. I still kind of think

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Speaker 1: he's gonna end up on the Bucks this year, especially

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Speaker 1: after the Alien closed to the video, which makes me

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Speaker 1: think everything was totally a farce and insincere before that.

622
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Speaker 1: But if this is indeed the end, and his body's

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Speaker 1: probably telling him it is, it was an awesome career,

624
00:31:50,440 --> 00:31:52,600
Speaker 1: can'tner No, that doesn't I mean, speaking of the Bucks,

625
00:31:52,600 --> 00:31:55,959
Speaker 1: I just think that he was genuinely, you know, not

626
00:31:56,040 --> 00:31:59,000
Speaker 1: a malicious way, but just hurt by Brady leaving. I

627
00:31:59,040 --> 00:32:00,760
Speaker 1: don't think he was the same him after that. I mean,

628
00:32:00,960 --> 00:32:03,360
Speaker 1: if I can't think of a player who bought in

629
00:32:03,400 --> 00:32:05,840
Speaker 1: more to what Tom Brady was selling in New England,

630
00:32:05,840 --> 00:32:07,720
Speaker 1: and they just I think Greggy used the word mind

631
00:32:07,760 --> 00:32:10,840
Speaker 1: meld um. They were and in the biggest moments in

632
00:32:10,960 --> 00:32:13,760
Speaker 1: January when it mattered the most. They were linked, and

633
00:32:13,800 --> 00:32:17,080
Speaker 1: I just I cannot think of him in a different uniform.

634
00:32:17,120 --> 00:32:19,040
Speaker 1: As much as it was weird to think about brading

635
00:32:19,080 --> 00:32:22,320
Speaker 1: a different uniform, he really was the New England Patriots.

636
00:32:22,360 --> 00:32:24,280
Speaker 1: And you're right about the glue guy thing, and I

637
00:32:24,360 --> 00:32:26,560
Speaker 1: us a special player. Was a college quarterback. He had

638
00:32:26,560 --> 00:32:28,760
Speaker 1: to come in and be so many different things to

639
00:32:28,840 --> 00:32:31,360
Speaker 1: keep his role initially in New England, and he found

640
00:32:31,400 --> 00:32:34,120
Speaker 1: every possible way to contribute. And that's a total Bill

641
00:32:34,160 --> 00:32:36,880
Speaker 1: Belichick type player right there. His body was broken. I

642
00:32:36,880 --> 00:32:39,280
Speaker 1: know we should move on. The last thing was like

643
00:32:40,040 --> 00:32:42,320
Speaker 1: him winning that Super Bowl MVP in the in the

644
00:32:42,400 --> 00:32:45,000
Speaker 1: Rams game on a season where he was like dragging

645
00:32:45,040 --> 00:32:47,520
Speaker 1: that knee around. I that's the thing is, I don't

646
00:32:47,560 --> 00:32:50,160
Speaker 1: know if he's coming back because he's you could he

647
00:32:50,400 --> 00:32:53,600
Speaker 1: no one took more more hits than Edelman over the

648
00:32:53,680 --> 00:32:56,200
Speaker 1: years and just seemed to be totally spit And look,

649
00:32:56,240 --> 00:32:59,440
Speaker 1: I get it, Patriots fans are obnoxious. He was a

650
00:32:59,520 --> 00:33:02,960
Speaker 1: small white guy that got like too much love because

651
00:33:03,040 --> 00:33:04,959
Speaker 1: he was like a small white guy. But it's like

652
00:33:05,040 --> 00:33:07,920
Speaker 1: it also doesn't change that he was just like such

653
00:33:07,920 --> 00:33:11,360
Speaker 1: a badass um as a player, and uh, I don't

654
00:33:11,360 --> 00:33:13,920
Speaker 1: know he'll have the last revenge because this Hall of

655
00:33:14,000 --> 00:33:16,000
Speaker 1: Fame thing will be so annoying as a debate for

656
00:33:16,040 --> 00:33:19,760
Speaker 1: the next fifteen years. Horrendous. It's a horrendous conversation. It's

657
00:33:19,760 --> 00:33:21,720
Speaker 1: a bummer of a way to to to go out

658
00:33:21,760 --> 00:33:24,880
Speaker 1: on his career. I would think Edelman will will say

659
00:33:24,920 --> 00:33:26,400
Speaker 1: that to you if you ask him the question to

660
00:33:26,640 --> 00:33:30,560
Speaker 1: which is to go out in with a bad seven

661
00:33:30,640 --> 00:33:33,720
Speaker 1: and nine Patriots team. His best buddy Tom's not there.

662
00:33:33,840 --> 00:33:36,280
Speaker 1: It's COVID, so there's nobody in the stands. He can't

663
00:33:36,280 --> 00:33:38,560
Speaker 1: get out, he can't stay on the field. It makes

664
00:33:38,560 --> 00:33:40,760
Speaker 1: me think of the because Mark, I think you nailed,

665
00:33:40,800 --> 00:33:44,200
Speaker 1: And I think he probably felt like when Brady left

666
00:33:44,240 --> 00:33:46,640
Speaker 1: his career in a lot of ways ended as well.

667
00:33:47,600 --> 00:33:51,080
Speaker 1: When Red I was thinking about Andy after Andy escaped

668
00:33:51,080 --> 00:33:53,240
Speaker 1: and he's and read still in the prison and Shawshank

669
00:33:53,280 --> 00:33:55,600
Speaker 1: and he just goes, I guess I'll just miss my

670
00:33:55,680 --> 00:33:59,080
Speaker 1: friend bingo. Yeah. I feel like that's the way Julian

671
00:33:59,160 --> 00:34:03,160
Speaker 1: was in his final season. All right. Speaking of future

672
00:34:03,160 --> 00:34:06,320
Speaker 1: Hall of Famers, potentially, Jadeveon Clowney has found a home

673
00:34:09,280 --> 00:34:14,360
Speaker 1: um as predicted, it happened. Jadeveon Clowney is on the

674
00:34:14,400 --> 00:34:18,240
Speaker 1: Cleveland Browns. As predicted, It's a one year contract loaded

675
00:34:18,239 --> 00:34:20,360
Speaker 1: with incentives that get up to ten million if he

676
00:34:20,400 --> 00:34:23,920
Speaker 1: plays well and stays on the field, And as predicted,

677
00:34:24,080 --> 00:34:27,400
Speaker 1: Twitter went crazy with photoshops of Miles Garrett next to

678
00:34:27,480 --> 00:34:32,040
Speaker 1: Jadeveon Clowney and various stories about the Browns big offseason

679
00:34:32,120 --> 00:34:34,640
Speaker 1: capped with a big move. All that to me is

680
00:34:34,680 --> 00:34:38,280
Speaker 1: hoakum as Dave Damashek would say. But at the same time,

681
00:34:38,480 --> 00:34:40,399
Speaker 1: do I hate the move? Mark, I don't hate the move.

682
00:34:40,960 --> 00:34:44,320
Speaker 1: It's it's worth a worth a shot, but just fire beware.

683
00:34:44,680 --> 00:34:47,200
Speaker 1: You're not a guy. You're not getting the guy that

684
00:34:47,320 --> 00:34:49,279
Speaker 1: was blowing up that running back in the backfield at

685
00:34:49,280 --> 00:34:53,440
Speaker 1: South Carolina. You're getting a potentially broken down, near thirty

686
00:34:53,680 --> 00:34:57,239
Speaker 1: guy that has struggle, struggles to stay healthy and has

687
00:34:57,280 --> 00:35:00,480
Speaker 1: never put up huge numbers. I think you know, we

688
00:35:00,520 --> 00:35:02,960
Speaker 1: did a Network hit with um with Baldy and he

689
00:35:03,080 --> 00:35:05,440
Speaker 1: said it, you know, right or right away, that he

690
00:35:05,480 --> 00:35:07,759
Speaker 1: needs to be in shape, he needs to get his

691
00:35:07,800 --> 00:35:10,160
Speaker 1: body ready for football. And have you guys heard a

692
00:35:10,160 --> 00:35:12,640
Speaker 1: lot about that, because when Baldi said that, that raised

693
00:35:12,680 --> 00:35:15,920
Speaker 1: my eyebrow a little bit. It did a little bit.

694
00:35:16,040 --> 00:35:18,280
Speaker 1: He definitely wanted to get that out there. And Baldi

695
00:35:18,360 --> 00:35:21,759
Speaker 1: talks to coaches and Clowney has had a lot of

696
00:35:21,800 --> 00:35:24,759
Speaker 1: surgeries in the off season over the last few years

697
00:35:24,800 --> 00:35:27,680
Speaker 1: and missed a lot of offseason work. And yet I

698
00:35:27,719 --> 00:35:30,480
Speaker 1: think that's that that's a factor to it. But that's

699
00:35:30,480 --> 00:35:32,279
Speaker 1: what he was speaking to, that that he was not

700
00:35:32,320 --> 00:35:34,440
Speaker 1: showing up in the right in the right way. I

701
00:35:34,520 --> 00:35:36,719
Speaker 1: just think, like the reason that I'm not um, I

702
00:35:36,719 --> 00:35:38,440
Speaker 1: don't think it's a reason to say it's a tipping

703
00:35:38,480 --> 00:35:42,000
Speaker 1: point moment for Cleveland, uh and now they're unstoppable. It's

704
00:35:42,000 --> 00:35:44,879
Speaker 1: like we shouldn't be looking at Jadeveon Clowney that way.

705
00:35:45,080 --> 00:35:47,840
Speaker 1: It's maybe you get ten games out of him eleven.

706
00:35:47,920 --> 00:35:50,480
Speaker 1: I don't know. Um. You know they took a bit

707
00:35:50,520 --> 00:35:53,120
Speaker 1: of a risk um signing Tach McKinley too, and so

708
00:35:53,160 --> 00:35:56,000
Speaker 1: maybe the combination of those two guys and someone that

709
00:35:56,040 --> 00:35:58,440
Speaker 1: you draft or a couple of guys you draft formed

710
00:35:58,480 --> 00:36:01,120
Speaker 1: that right side of the defense line across from Garrett.

711
00:36:01,120 --> 00:36:03,160
Speaker 1: I don't think it's a Clowney come in and save

712
00:36:03,239 --> 00:36:05,359
Speaker 1: the day type move. I mean the Browns, I think

713
00:36:05,440 --> 00:36:08,000
Speaker 1: under Andrew Berry have done a nice job this offseason

714
00:36:08,000 --> 00:36:10,480
Speaker 1: the way they did last year focusing on tight end

715
00:36:10,480 --> 00:36:13,400
Speaker 1: and offensive line. This time around, the need on defense

716
00:36:13,480 --> 00:36:15,719
Speaker 1: was clear. I mean, they were lashed on defense and

717
00:36:15,719 --> 00:36:18,319
Speaker 1: they were injured a lot last year, but they have

718
00:36:18,440 --> 00:36:21,479
Speaker 1: shored up their secondary. They get grant help it back. Um.

719
00:36:21,520 --> 00:36:23,680
Speaker 1: I really liked the signing of Ronnie Harrison during the

720
00:36:23,760 --> 00:36:26,160
Speaker 1: year last year. Their secondary looks like a strength right

721
00:36:26,160 --> 00:36:28,040
Speaker 1: now and that kind of thing can really help the

722
00:36:28,040 --> 00:36:30,440
Speaker 1: pass for USh. So maybe part of it is is

723
00:36:30,440 --> 00:36:33,400
Speaker 1: Clowney in a better situation than he was in Tennessee,

724
00:36:33,800 --> 00:36:36,839
Speaker 1: um or in previous years. We'll wait and see, but um,

725
00:36:37,080 --> 00:36:39,279
Speaker 1: you know, he's going to a pretty good team where

726
00:36:39,320 --> 00:36:42,080
Speaker 1: I think he is being put into a position to succeed,

727
00:36:42,160 --> 00:36:44,400
Speaker 1: and he sounds motivated. I don't know what that means

728
00:36:44,680 --> 00:36:46,879
Speaker 1: in real life, but listening to him yesterday, he said

729
00:36:46,920 --> 00:36:49,799
Speaker 1: that the Browns and Andrew Berry were like relentless in

730
00:36:49,880 --> 00:36:53,279
Speaker 1: pursuing him and that mattered to him. That has to matter. Um,

731
00:36:53,320 --> 00:36:56,120
Speaker 1: you know, sixteen games or seventeen games during the season two.

732
00:36:56,200 --> 00:36:58,440
Speaker 1: I mean I think sometimes you look at Clowney like,

733
00:36:58,560 --> 00:37:00,880
Speaker 1: is the motivation there? I don't know, I don't want

734
00:37:00,920 --> 00:37:03,080
Speaker 1: to speak for him, but um, he's a player with

735
00:37:03,200 --> 00:37:05,440
Speaker 1: question marks. I'm not just suddenly because he's on the

736
00:37:05,480 --> 00:37:08,000
Speaker 1: Browns like doing the thing that a fan does where

737
00:37:08,000 --> 00:37:12,080
Speaker 1: it's like, hey, you know a favorite player, now I am.

738
00:37:12,200 --> 00:37:14,799
Speaker 1: I love Clowney. He's first of all, he's twenty eight.

739
00:37:14,880 --> 00:37:19,400
Speaker 1: He's been incredibly productive in his career because pressure is production,

740
00:37:19,800 --> 00:37:21,279
Speaker 1: and he to me, he's you know, he's been one

741
00:37:21,320 --> 00:37:24,160
Speaker 1: of the ten best defensive ends over the last years

742
00:37:24,200 --> 00:37:26,719
Speaker 1: now the last two years, has been totally injured. Before that,

743
00:37:26,719 --> 00:37:29,360
Speaker 1: though no one played more so it's always it's always

744
00:37:29,400 --> 00:37:31,279
Speaker 1: been this public perception he's playing through injuries, but he

745
00:37:31,280 --> 00:37:33,640
Speaker 1: played a thousand snaps a year. He was he was tough.

746
00:37:34,400 --> 00:37:36,799
Speaker 1: Maybe he is more motivated now. But here's the thing

747
00:37:36,880 --> 00:37:39,640
Speaker 1: that is, there's a no risk. Seven million dollars is

748
00:37:39,680 --> 00:37:42,640
Speaker 1: nothing to me. Cap space is such a waste to me.

749
00:37:42,800 --> 00:37:47,200
Speaker 1: I still don't get why this isn't like more talked about.

750
00:37:47,280 --> 00:37:49,719
Speaker 1: Why Why does six seven teams, even in this year

751
00:37:49,719 --> 00:37:51,680
Speaker 1: where the cap win so down, still have more than

752
00:37:51,760 --> 00:37:53,880
Speaker 1: twenty five million dollars in cap space? What is that

753
00:37:53,920 --> 00:37:57,040
Speaker 1: doing for you? Ultimately, You're not really going to the

754
00:37:57,080 --> 00:37:59,759
Speaker 1: max of using all the resources you can to make

755
00:37:59,800 --> 00:38:02,920
Speaker 1: your team better this year and spend all the money

756
00:38:02,960 --> 00:38:06,839
Speaker 1: you can this year. There's no impact on next year.

757
00:38:06,920 --> 00:38:09,480
Speaker 1: It's one million dollars, it's a one year contract. There's

758
00:38:09,560 --> 00:38:12,200
Speaker 1: no risk to it. To all. You're taking a resource

759
00:38:12,239 --> 00:38:14,200
Speaker 1: and you're doing it with a guy who who's gotten

760
00:38:14,239 --> 00:38:17,799
Speaker 1: double teamed as much in the top five players in

761
00:38:17,800 --> 00:38:20,080
Speaker 1: the entire NFL since he's been in it, including the

762
00:38:20,160 --> 00:38:22,560
Speaker 1: last few years. So he's used to those double teams.

763
00:38:22,560 --> 00:38:24,640
Speaker 1: He's used to winning battles, even if he's not like

764
00:38:24,680 --> 00:38:28,160
Speaker 1: the best pass rusher in the world. Like I love it. Listen,

765
00:38:28,200 --> 00:38:31,319
Speaker 1: this is exactly and I'll say the point. I don't

766
00:38:31,320 --> 00:38:33,239
Speaker 1: want to be labor this, but you're talking about the

767
00:38:33,280 --> 00:38:35,879
Speaker 1: guy like he's a star basically, and and and it's

768
00:38:35,880 --> 00:38:38,960
Speaker 1: like he on his fourth team in four years. Why

769
00:38:39,040 --> 00:38:41,560
Speaker 1: is he struggling to find a job? Deep, it's for

770
00:38:41,600 --> 00:38:43,719
Speaker 1: a reason. And Baldi, like we said, plugged in as

771
00:38:43,719 --> 00:38:45,640
Speaker 1: anybody's this guy doing the right things to be the

772
00:38:45,640 --> 00:38:48,320
Speaker 1: best version of himself. No one's saying it's a bad signing.

773
00:38:48,320 --> 00:38:50,600
Speaker 1: I'm not saying it's a bad signing. It's just it's

774
00:38:50,640 --> 00:38:53,520
Speaker 1: just kind of like buyer, beware a little bit. Let's

775
00:38:53,600 --> 00:38:55,759
Speaker 1: let's I don't know, just calm down a little bit

776
00:38:55,760 --> 00:38:57,680
Speaker 1: about it. So you're a part of the reason, Greg,

777
00:38:58,000 --> 00:39:00,759
Speaker 1: you're those guys think there's like this. I think and

778
00:39:00,800 --> 00:39:02,920
Speaker 1: by the way, he could also be seen. You say, okay, no,

779
00:39:03,160 --> 00:39:06,560
Speaker 1: it's no risk. It's you know, it's seven million dollars.

780
00:39:06,600 --> 00:39:08,719
Speaker 1: What does that mean? But there's that old term, the

781
00:39:08,760 --> 00:39:11,520
Speaker 1: old parcels is um maybe you can get somebody better

782
00:39:11,520 --> 00:39:13,520
Speaker 1: in that spot, some when younger, maybe clowney at the

783
00:39:13,560 --> 00:39:15,920
Speaker 1: stage of his career as a progress stopper. That's all.

784
00:39:15,920 --> 00:39:22,320
Speaker 1: That's all say eight they can still the guitar draft someone.

785
00:39:23,640 --> 00:39:25,759
Speaker 1: I love it. I just I also just like you

786
00:39:25,880 --> 00:39:28,719
Speaker 1: love this sighting because uh, I gotta do it. It's

787
00:39:28,719 --> 00:39:31,359
Speaker 1: good for the podcast. It's good for the podcast. It's

788
00:39:31,400 --> 00:39:34,799
Speaker 1: good that the Browns are getting so hyped now, you know,

789
00:39:35,239 --> 00:39:37,080
Speaker 1: I gotta do it. It's almost only one way it

790
00:39:37,120 --> 00:39:38,880
Speaker 1: can go unfortunate. It's only fair that I do a

791
00:39:38,920 --> 00:39:41,200
Speaker 1: sandwich prop. It just makes so much sense. So I'm

792
00:39:41,200 --> 00:39:44,400
Speaker 1: gonna set uh go get my lunch prop and you

793
00:39:44,400 --> 00:39:46,399
Speaker 1: guys could take me up on it if you don't

794
00:39:46,400 --> 00:39:48,960
Speaker 1: want it to be sacks. I don't want sacks. It's

795
00:39:48,960 --> 00:39:51,680
Speaker 1: gonna be sacks now. I don't want, so don't do it,

796
00:39:51,719 --> 00:39:56,560
Speaker 1: don't take it. I'm gonna set the over under he

797
00:39:56,719 --> 00:40:04,520
Speaker 1: finishes below. Oh it's a tough one, and I think

798
00:40:04,560 --> 00:40:06,680
Speaker 1: Greg it's so high on him. So if he's not,

799
00:40:06,960 --> 00:40:11,000
Speaker 1: I mean give me. Okay, I'll take four and a half.

800
00:40:11,880 --> 00:40:14,080
Speaker 1: I mean you said if he hits five sacks, you

801
00:40:14,080 --> 00:40:18,960
Speaker 1: guys get the sandwiches. He finishes under. Uh. If he

802
00:40:19,000 --> 00:40:22,520
Speaker 1: finishes under, you guys, oh me, you're taking me. Better

803
00:40:22,640 --> 00:40:24,360
Speaker 1: take you? Better take that. I mean that is a

804
00:40:24,400 --> 00:40:27,319
Speaker 1: low number there, I'll take you. I mean I could

805
00:40:27,320 --> 00:40:29,480
Speaker 1: see it go either way, but why not take you

806
00:40:29,520 --> 00:40:32,960
Speaker 1: on it? Sure? I mean it would be amazing about five.

807
00:40:33,000 --> 00:40:35,040
Speaker 1: I thought you were gonna go like double digits. I

808
00:40:35,040 --> 00:40:37,040
Speaker 1: mean he's never had ten, so I mean to the

809
00:40:37,080 --> 00:40:38,840
Speaker 1: attack like, I can't set it at eight and a

810
00:40:38,840 --> 00:40:40,480
Speaker 1: half or something. I'm gonna go on the low end,

811
00:40:41,440 --> 00:40:46,120
Speaker 1: I know. But wait till three of them come on,

812
00:40:46,239 --> 00:40:50,840
Speaker 1: Zack Wilson, then you're gonna feel which bet gosh, we

813
00:40:50,840 --> 00:40:52,839
Speaker 1: we are going on too long. Baldi did mention how

814
00:40:52,880 --> 00:40:55,160
Speaker 1: teammates like love playing it. I do remember being there

815
00:40:55,200 --> 00:40:57,160
Speaker 1: when he was the kind of the leader of them

816
00:40:57,200 --> 00:41:00,520
Speaker 1: winning their first playoff game in franchise history. And um,

817
00:41:01,160 --> 00:41:02,920
Speaker 1: I think his teammates love him. It's not like a

818
00:41:02,960 --> 00:41:06,000
Speaker 1: guy like I don't think it's like you're adding something

819
00:41:06,040 --> 00:41:08,239
Speaker 1: that's bad to a locker room by any means. I

820
00:41:08,239 --> 00:41:12,080
Speaker 1: think player players are impressed by him, and he he

821
00:41:12,160 --> 00:41:14,480
Speaker 1: was like he was the guy there. J. J. Watt

822
00:41:14,560 --> 00:41:16,400
Speaker 1: was hurt and he he took over in one him

823
00:41:16,400 --> 00:41:19,160
Speaker 1: a playoff game. Meanwhile, Seahawks fans are saying, why don't

824
00:41:19,160 --> 00:41:22,440
Speaker 1: you talk about our over hyped veteran pass rusher that

825
00:41:22,480 --> 00:41:26,400
Speaker 1: we just got. Alden Smith, formerly of the Cowboys, signs

826
00:41:26,400 --> 00:41:31,239
Speaker 1: a one year contract with the Seattle Seahawks. Uh. You know,

827
00:41:31,360 --> 00:41:33,920
Speaker 1: here's another guy that, depending how you look at the

828
00:41:33,960 --> 00:41:36,520
Speaker 1: tape and what numbers you look at, had a nice

829
00:41:36,560 --> 00:41:38,399
Speaker 1: season with the Cowboys lesher. He did have a three

830
00:41:38,440 --> 00:41:41,640
Speaker 1: sack game early on, but finished with five. Uh. Did

831
00:41:41,680 --> 00:41:44,919
Speaker 1: get to the quarterback greg with UH some regularity, maybe

832
00:41:44,920 --> 00:41:46,840
Speaker 1: wore down as a season went along, but played a

833
00:41:46,840 --> 00:41:48,640
Speaker 1: lot of snaps for that Cowboys team, which I think

834
00:41:48,680 --> 00:41:52,120
Speaker 1: surprised people. Do you think this is an impact signing

835
00:41:52,160 --> 00:41:54,879
Speaker 1: for Seattle? I think it's worth a shot because they've

836
00:41:54,960 --> 00:41:58,480
Speaker 1: left themselves a little thin. He he definitely wore down,

837
00:41:58,600 --> 00:42:01,279
Speaker 1: so maybe he'll do better, you know, in a lesser rule.

838
00:42:01,360 --> 00:42:07,319
Speaker 1: I know Seahawks fans are strangely excited about this defensive line. Uh,

839
00:42:07,640 --> 00:42:12,160
Speaker 1: it's punaford Um, it's l J. Collier, their first round

840
00:42:12,160 --> 00:42:15,319
Speaker 1: pick who's been okay and not really great. But then

841
00:42:15,360 --> 00:42:18,359
Speaker 1: you got Dunlop, you got Alton Robinson who's shown some things.

842
00:42:18,400 --> 00:42:20,680
Speaker 1: You have a second round pick Taylor who didn't do

843
00:42:20,719 --> 00:42:23,319
Speaker 1: anything last year, Darryl Taylor, Benson Myowa, and then you

844
00:42:23,360 --> 00:42:26,520
Speaker 1: add Smith to this. Like Seahawks fans don't tell them

845
00:42:26,560 --> 00:42:29,160
Speaker 1: that this isn't one of the highest potential defensive lines

846
00:42:29,200 --> 00:42:31,799
Speaker 1: in the league, which I don't quite get. It's it's

847
00:42:31,800 --> 00:42:36,120
Speaker 1: like a lot of people, definitely, and he's one of them.

848
00:42:36,160 --> 00:42:39,920
Speaker 1: I don't know if I'm buying it. And other signings

849
00:42:39,960 --> 00:42:43,040
Speaker 1: Cordrell Patterson, he finds a new home. He lands with

850
00:42:43,080 --> 00:42:45,560
Speaker 1: the Falcons on a one year, three million dollar contract.

851
00:42:45,960 --> 00:42:50,120
Speaker 1: Interesting to me that Patterson and I understand. And by

852
00:42:50,120 --> 00:42:52,000
Speaker 1: the way, the grave beards are flying off the board.

853
00:42:52,040 --> 00:42:53,840
Speaker 1: Now this is the week where it's it's happening like

854
00:42:53,920 --> 00:42:57,279
Speaker 1: I a handful in the least they wait for your

855
00:42:57,360 --> 00:43:00,960
Speaker 1: article to come about. And I really do appreciate it

856
00:43:01,120 --> 00:43:05,319
Speaker 1: nfl um our league, but it does surprise me. I know,

857
00:43:05,440 --> 00:43:10,239
Speaker 1: he's not a dynamic wide receiver and running back. Maybe

858
00:43:10,280 --> 00:43:11,920
Speaker 1: he's a gadget guy said, he's not gonna ever be

859
00:43:12,000 --> 00:43:14,799
Speaker 1: a lynch pin of your offense necessarily, even if that's

860
00:43:14,840 --> 00:43:17,440
Speaker 1: what I was asking of with the graybeards, But just

861
00:43:17,640 --> 00:43:20,040
Speaker 1: the impact that he has on special teams, that's such

862
00:43:20,040 --> 00:43:22,800
Speaker 1: a big part of football and having a guy that

863
00:43:22,960 --> 00:43:25,480
Speaker 1: it's it's to me a big bargain for the Falcons,

864
00:43:25,520 --> 00:43:27,920
Speaker 1: a big ad at this juncture and free agency, and

865
00:43:27,960 --> 00:43:31,080
Speaker 1: I just wonder why an elite, a truly elite special

866
00:43:31,080 --> 00:43:34,960
Speaker 1: teams player who could flip fields and change games, why

867
00:43:35,080 --> 00:43:37,160
Speaker 1: there's not a bigger market, even if he is somewhat

868
00:43:37,200 --> 00:43:39,440
Speaker 1: limited in other ways. I'm weird you. I mean, I

869
00:43:39,480 --> 00:43:42,640
Speaker 1: think you know, from the Falcon side of things, I

870
00:43:42,680 --> 00:43:44,600
Speaker 1: love it. I think Arthur Smith is someone that's going

871
00:43:44,640 --> 00:43:48,160
Speaker 1: to find a way to maximize someone like Cordiolle Patterson.

872
00:43:48,520 --> 00:43:52,319
Speaker 1: And I mean his special teams usage is excellent, and

873
00:43:52,400 --> 00:43:54,640
Speaker 1: I mean, for me, the Falcons are a weird team.

874
00:43:54,719 --> 00:43:58,520
Speaker 1: Right now, they have like fifty five players under contract, um,

875
00:43:58,560 --> 00:44:04,920
Speaker 1: they're about four million under the cap. Because I think

876
00:44:04,960 --> 00:44:07,319
Speaker 1: they're in a real they're in a puzzle, because I

877
00:44:07,360 --> 00:44:09,719
Speaker 1: was reading some stuff where they basically can't even sign

878
00:44:09,800 --> 00:44:12,799
Speaker 1: the rookie class right now, so it's like you're in

879
00:44:12,800 --> 00:44:15,239
Speaker 1: a conundrum. There's no other team in that same thing.

880
00:44:15,320 --> 00:44:17,439
Speaker 1: I know they'll figure it out, but it's like it's

881
00:44:17,480 --> 00:44:19,560
Speaker 1: I think Arthur Smith is in a tough spot, and

882
00:44:19,600 --> 00:44:22,359
Speaker 1: it makes me really wonder what they're gonna do at

883
00:44:22,440 --> 00:44:24,400
Speaker 1: number four and what could happen there. I think that

884
00:44:24,520 --> 00:44:27,120
Speaker 1: is a huge, like pivot point in the draft. The

885
00:44:27,200 --> 00:44:30,279
Speaker 1: only thing I'll push back on their mark is the

886
00:44:30,400 --> 00:44:32,399
Speaker 1: narrative that Arthur Smith is going to be the one

887
00:44:32,400 --> 00:44:34,800
Speaker 1: to unlock Patterson. I don't know if it's gonna happen,

888
00:44:35,239 --> 00:44:37,719
Speaker 1: if it hasn't happened yet, but my point being like

889
00:44:37,800 --> 00:44:41,120
Speaker 1: that doesn't necessarily matter. If he's doing what he's been

890
00:44:41,160 --> 00:44:43,200
Speaker 1: doing on special teams his whole career. It's to me

891
00:44:43,280 --> 00:44:45,960
Speaker 1: a great signing whether or not he finally finds a

892
00:44:45,960 --> 00:44:49,960
Speaker 1: coach that unlocks his true potential as a playmaker for

893
00:44:50,040 --> 00:44:52,799
Speaker 1: special teamers. Basically, that's kind of the top of the

894
00:44:52,840 --> 00:44:57,840
Speaker 1: market for specialized just special teams, guy is about three million,

895
00:44:57,920 --> 00:45:01,160
Speaker 1: like he got five Patterson when people thought maybe he'd

896
00:45:01,160 --> 00:45:02,840
Speaker 1: help a little more on offense. I think people have

897
00:45:02,920 --> 00:45:04,640
Speaker 1: kind of given up on that. It's about with them.

898
00:45:04,640 --> 00:45:07,000
Speaker 1: I think if the Patriots weren't already paying so many

899
00:45:07,040 --> 00:45:09,080
Speaker 1: guys on their special teams to an AFT three million

900
00:45:09,840 --> 00:45:11,759
Speaker 1: just to be special, they probably bring him back. But

901
00:45:11,760 --> 00:45:13,640
Speaker 1: it's like we are. You can only have a couple

902
00:45:13,719 --> 00:45:17,440
Speaker 1: of those guys at most on your team. All right,

903
00:45:17,800 --> 00:45:22,680
Speaker 1: that's what's happening in the news. All right, let's get

904
00:45:22,719 --> 00:45:27,840
Speaker 1: into it. It just went up on NFL dot com

905
00:45:27,880 --> 00:45:29,880
Speaker 1: and Greg, I don't want to start us off on

906
00:45:29,920 --> 00:45:32,239
Speaker 1: the wrong foot here, but the headline of this piece,

907
00:45:32,360 --> 00:45:34,160
Speaker 1: and it's a really good one and everybody should check

908
00:45:34,160 --> 00:45:40,320
Speaker 1: it out. General Manager, Power Rankings colon NFL Draft Edition. Slammer.

909
00:45:41,560 --> 00:45:46,320
Speaker 1: You know that on the power ranking Power Rankings guy,

910
00:45:46,200 --> 00:45:50,120
Speaker 1: maybe the I p here the intellectual property is property

911
00:45:50,280 --> 00:45:53,719
Speaker 1: of the old zeuser, the old New Blue Eyes or

912
00:45:53,760 --> 00:45:56,360
Speaker 1: the new Old Blue Eyes. You're giving me some memories

913
00:45:56,400 --> 00:45:59,960
Speaker 1: of the old Power Rankings guy. I did not say

914
00:46:00,040 --> 00:46:02,839
Speaker 1: desk that I would not have put Power Rankings. Um

915
00:46:02,960 --> 00:46:05,680
Speaker 1: last year it was like GM rankings. This time, I'm

916
00:46:05,719 --> 00:46:08,319
Speaker 1: just looking at the draft only. I decided to do

917
00:46:08,360 --> 00:46:10,759
Speaker 1: it only back to two thousand and fifteen, so that

918
00:46:10,760 --> 00:46:13,279
Speaker 1: that's on the editors. I'm not putting I can do that.

919
00:46:13,520 --> 00:46:17,000
Speaker 1: I will be Greg is gonna throw someone to the bus.

920
00:46:17,000 --> 00:46:20,080
Speaker 1: But readers in generals should know that we essentially never

921
00:46:20,160 --> 00:46:23,759
Speaker 1: create our own headlines. All right, Well, with that out

922
00:46:23,760 --> 00:46:26,640
Speaker 1: of the way, Greg, I think things are moderately strained

923
00:46:26,760 --> 00:46:29,479
Speaker 1: between us now over this. But since you did throw

924
00:46:29,520 --> 00:46:32,840
Speaker 1: the editors under the bus again, I will overturn some tables,

925
00:46:33,000 --> 00:46:35,600
Speaker 1: even if it's virtually to to right this wrong. But

926
00:46:35,960 --> 00:46:38,759
Speaker 1: in terms of the article you wrote, let's put the

927
00:46:38,760 --> 00:46:40,560
Speaker 1: focus where it belongs. And I do like you change

928
00:46:40,600 --> 00:46:43,520
Speaker 1: it up this year. Note you're not involving trades when

929
00:46:43,520 --> 00:46:47,799
Speaker 1: breaking down the merit of gms. You're not including uh

930
00:46:47,960 --> 00:46:50,520
Speaker 1: free agent signs. It's all on draft and you went

931
00:46:50,560 --> 00:46:52,520
Speaker 1: all the way down the list. And I get the

932
00:46:52,560 --> 00:46:55,640
Speaker 1: feelings some GMS might be reading this piece, Greg and

933
00:46:55,960 --> 00:46:59,000
Speaker 1: are holding their breath right now, tell us who do

934
00:46:59,040 --> 00:47:01,520
Speaker 1: you have right now? Is the best GM in football

935
00:47:01,719 --> 00:47:05,520
Speaker 1: when it comes to drafting talent? I went Chris Ballard first,

936
00:47:07,280 --> 00:47:09,680
Speaker 1: he has the advantage he's only done four drafts, So

937
00:47:09,719 --> 00:47:12,160
Speaker 1: it's like, I think the longer you draft, the more

938
00:47:12,200 --> 00:47:14,279
Speaker 1: of a chance you have for some clunkers. And even

939
00:47:14,360 --> 00:47:17,360
Speaker 1: he um you know, had a had a year his

940
00:47:17,400 --> 00:47:19,600
Speaker 1: first year there seventeen. They didn't hit a lot of

941
00:47:19,640 --> 00:47:20,880
Speaker 1: home runs. But if you look at what he did

942
00:47:20,880 --> 00:47:25,240
Speaker 1: when he first got there, Darius Leonard, of course, Quentin Nelson,

943
00:47:25,400 --> 00:47:28,000
Speaker 1: Braden Smith in that same draft, who's a really good

944
00:47:28,000 --> 00:47:31,719
Speaker 1: starting tackle, uh hem Hines. That's one draft. And then

945
00:47:31,719 --> 00:47:33,560
Speaker 1: you look at last year, he almost drafted the defensive

946
00:47:33,640 --> 00:47:35,400
Speaker 1: rookie of the year Julian Blackman, and a couple of

947
00:47:35,440 --> 00:47:38,319
Speaker 1: good offensive players in Pittman and Taylor. Right now, his

948
00:47:38,400 --> 00:47:40,480
Speaker 1: hit rate is like really high. So I feel like

949
00:47:40,560 --> 00:47:43,359
Speaker 1: the other GM is looking at this list Belichicks like, hey, yeah,

950
00:47:43,680 --> 00:47:45,440
Speaker 1: just let him do it for ten years and think

951
00:47:45,520 --> 00:47:47,600
Speaker 1: how good it's gonna be then. But right now Ballard

952
00:47:47,680 --> 00:47:50,280
Speaker 1: is flying high. I I think there's nothing you could

953
00:47:50,360 --> 00:47:53,520
Speaker 1: say against Ballard at this stage. I think what he's

954
00:47:53,560 --> 00:47:57,360
Speaker 1: done so far h is beyond reproach. Really, um, was

955
00:47:57,400 --> 00:48:00,000
Speaker 1: there someone that was that was close the number two

956
00:48:00,000 --> 00:48:02,319
Speaker 1: who choice here? Was it close? Or was he was

957
00:48:02,560 --> 00:48:05,560
Speaker 1: Ballard head and shoulders right now above the rest. I

958
00:48:05,600 --> 00:48:07,439
Speaker 1: gotta a bit. It was kind of like they were

959
00:48:07,480 --> 00:48:10,239
Speaker 1: all close when you really One thing I took away

960
00:48:10,239 --> 00:48:12,600
Speaker 1: after doing this and I I went to Pro Football Reference.

961
00:48:12,640 --> 00:48:15,080
Speaker 1: I looked at every draft pick. I I had different methods,

962
00:48:15,200 --> 00:48:18,279
Speaker 1: how many starters and Pro Bowls and different things. It's

963
00:48:18,320 --> 00:48:22,160
Speaker 1: like the difference between the best GMS and the worst

964
00:48:22,600 --> 00:48:25,280
Speaker 1: when it comes to drafting over a long enough timeline,

965
00:48:25,360 --> 00:48:28,520
Speaker 1: I don't think it's like that huge. So especially the

966
00:48:28,520 --> 00:48:30,600
Speaker 1: guys near the top of this. Kevin Colbert with the

967
00:48:30,640 --> 00:48:32,920
Speaker 1: Steelers is awesome. I mean, look at the receivers he's

968
00:48:32,960 --> 00:48:35,920
Speaker 1: drafted in the last handful of years alone, Juju and

969
00:48:35,920 --> 00:48:39,600
Speaker 1: Deonte Johnson and Claypool, and you had that to you know,

970
00:48:39,640 --> 00:48:42,080
Speaker 1: t J. Watton, Dupree, he was right there. The one

971
00:48:42,120 --> 00:48:44,800
Speaker 1: guy that surprised me being higher than I expected was

972
00:48:44,880 --> 00:48:46,800
Speaker 1: Jason light Maybe I shouldn't because they just won a

973
00:48:46,840 --> 00:48:49,840
Speaker 1: Super Bowl. But when you think of Brady and Gronk

974
00:48:50,000 --> 00:48:52,120
Speaker 1: and and the guys they added in free agency being

975
00:48:52,200 --> 00:48:56,440
Speaker 1: so important, but my I mean he drafted so many

976
00:48:56,520 --> 00:48:59,880
Speaker 1: good players in Tampa and his draft last year with

977
00:49:00,000 --> 00:49:03,000
Speaker 1: Windfield and Tristan worse kind of putting them over the top,

978
00:49:03,080 --> 00:49:05,759
Speaker 1: like he was ranked number three. I think Jason Light,

979
00:49:05,800 --> 00:49:08,080
Speaker 1: who's seen some some low rankings on the d M

980
00:49:08,160 --> 00:49:10,560
Speaker 1: rankings before, he's going to be pretty excited. I mean Light,

981
00:49:10,600 --> 00:49:13,640
Speaker 1: if you you know, it's not just recruiting Tom Brady,

982
00:49:13,680 --> 00:49:16,800
Speaker 1: Like he set the table there with a really solid roster.

983
00:49:16,920 --> 00:49:18,479
Speaker 1: And you know, we've talked about it on our show

984
00:49:18,520 --> 00:49:22,040
Speaker 1: that how many good defenses um existed last year in

985
00:49:22,080 --> 00:49:24,719
Speaker 1: the NFL two or three? I mean most of them

986
00:49:24,719 --> 00:49:27,719
Speaker 1: feel like you know, pushovers. For the most part, the

987
00:49:27,719 --> 00:49:30,520
Speaker 1: Bucks defense was a total game changing unit, and so

988
00:49:30,880 --> 00:49:32,960
Speaker 1: Light deserves a lot of credit. Culbert to me, like,

989
00:49:33,239 --> 00:49:35,040
Speaker 1: I mean, he has been doing it for a really

990
00:49:35,040 --> 00:49:37,160
Speaker 1: long time. And you talk about like you know, Ballard

991
00:49:37,160 --> 00:49:39,880
Speaker 1: having a shorter track record, but a successful one. The

992
00:49:39,920 --> 00:49:43,319
Speaker 1: Steelers have been mighty um for so long under him,

993
00:49:43,600 --> 00:49:46,360
Speaker 1: and he has become like the wide receiver drafting wizard,

994
00:49:46,560 --> 00:49:48,600
Speaker 1: and I just think he's been an incredible asset to

995
00:49:48,680 --> 00:49:51,520
Speaker 1: them and like as consistent as you could hope for

996
00:49:51,640 --> 00:49:54,799
Speaker 1: from the GM position. Is there somebody, Greg And I

997
00:49:54,840 --> 00:49:56,920
Speaker 1: look at I look at this list and I'm scrolling

998
00:49:56,960 --> 00:49:59,719
Speaker 1: and I'm scrolling and I'm scrolling and I'm like, where's Belichick.

999
00:50:00,200 --> 00:50:07,080
Speaker 1: Where's Belichick? Fourteen, fifteen, sixteen, seventeen, eighteen eighteen on this list?

1000
00:50:07,120 --> 00:50:11,360
Speaker 1: Bill Belichick? Uh was first of all as a Patriots guy.

1001
00:50:11,600 --> 00:50:14,640
Speaker 1: How how hard was that? That's out of three? I

1002
00:50:14,640 --> 00:50:16,839
Speaker 1: mean nine guys didn't even count because they're brand new

1003
00:50:16,840 --> 00:50:19,640
Speaker 1: and they've only done one draft. I mean, I mean,

1004
00:50:19,840 --> 00:50:22,000
Speaker 1: did that surprise you or did that kind of just

1005
00:50:22,080 --> 00:50:23,960
Speaker 1: did that make sense to you as you did the

1006
00:50:24,000 --> 00:50:27,600
Speaker 1: exercises confirmation that he's really struggled in this category in

1007
00:50:27,640 --> 00:50:31,080
Speaker 1: recent years. It didn't surprise me because you know, just

1008
00:50:31,120 --> 00:50:33,920
Speaker 1: being a fan, like think of who are the good

1009
00:50:33,960 --> 00:50:37,120
Speaker 1: draft picks they've had. Joe Tuney that was pretty good,

1010
00:50:37,160 --> 00:50:38,880
Speaker 1: but he's not no longer on the team. That's not

1011
00:50:38,880 --> 00:50:42,560
Speaker 1: against the Shack Mason um and some other okay picks.

1012
00:50:42,680 --> 00:50:44,799
Speaker 1: I had to go back to Trey Flowers. I did

1013
00:50:44,840 --> 00:50:46,879
Speaker 1: my best pick, worst pick. I had to go back

1014
00:50:46,880 --> 00:50:50,160
Speaker 1: to to in what Trey Flowers is like the best

1015
00:50:50,200 --> 00:50:52,840
Speaker 1: pick they had those years you know they had because

1016
00:50:52,840 --> 00:50:55,480
Speaker 1: of suspension, they lose a draft pick and then they

1017
00:50:55,520 --> 00:50:57,359
Speaker 1: trade out. They didn't they haven't had a first round

1018
00:50:57,360 --> 00:50:59,799
Speaker 1: pick three times, but their picks have been pretty bad.

1019
00:51:00,000 --> 00:51:02,160
Speaker 1: I mean the second round defensive back picks. I just

1020
00:51:02,200 --> 00:51:04,600
Speaker 1: want to read them off. And all these picks were

1021
00:51:04,640 --> 00:51:09,320
Speaker 1: guys almost exactly that everyone watching the draft was like, really,

1022
00:51:09,680 --> 00:51:13,440
Speaker 1: all right, here are some defensive backs just since they

1023
00:51:13,440 --> 00:51:17,280
Speaker 1: have taken in the second round. Jordan Richards, Cyrus Jones,

1024
00:51:17,640 --> 00:51:21,920
Speaker 1: Duke Dawson, Juwan Williams, and Kyle Dugger. I like Dugger,

1025
00:51:21,960 --> 00:51:23,239
Speaker 1: by the way, it was a rookie last year. But

1026
00:51:23,280 --> 00:51:25,560
Speaker 1: the other four they get, they gave him absolutely nothing.

1027
00:51:25,600 --> 00:51:27,839
Speaker 1: So that the Patriots strategy is load up on second

1028
00:51:27,880 --> 00:51:30,800
Speaker 1: round picks because they're cheap, like they've swung and missed

1029
00:51:30,840 --> 00:51:32,799
Speaker 1: so many times. And also, and when you when you

1030
00:51:32,880 --> 00:51:35,680
Speaker 1: lose fourteen first round picks over twenty year period, for

1031
00:51:35,760 --> 00:51:38,640
Speaker 1: various cheating offenses, it's gonna make your job harder. It

1032
00:51:38,760 --> 00:51:40,799
Speaker 1: just there's no way around it. That's a fair point.

1033
00:51:40,800 --> 00:51:42,320
Speaker 1: I mean, I mean that, well, so they've been picking

1034
00:51:42,640 --> 00:51:45,240
Speaker 1: their their first round pick has essentially been a second

1035
00:51:45,280 --> 00:51:47,319
Speaker 1: round pick for so long that I mean, some of

1036
00:51:47,320 --> 00:51:50,640
Speaker 1: these gms where the team hasn't advanced as quickly as

1037
00:51:50,640 --> 00:51:53,720
Speaker 1: you like, are picking in the you know ten slot.

1038
00:51:54,160 --> 00:51:56,520
Speaker 1: You know what, Colbert got it done. I mean he's

1039
00:51:56,560 --> 00:51:59,359
Speaker 1: picking late. Um. They've had a few whiffs too though,

1040
00:51:59,400 --> 00:52:01,319
Speaker 1: but I mean I like Belichick. I think is it

1041
00:52:01,360 --> 00:52:03,239
Speaker 1: is just the pure drafting because you want to talk

1042
00:52:03,239 --> 00:52:06,560
Speaker 1: about team building and leadership. I mean, Belichick is second

1043
00:52:06,600 --> 00:52:09,080
Speaker 1: to none. I I struggled, my eyes almost blew up

1044
00:52:09,120 --> 00:52:11,880
Speaker 1: on a list where Belichick is two spots removed from

1045
00:52:11,960 --> 00:52:14,239
Speaker 1: Ryan Pace. I just struggled with the concept of it.

1046
00:52:14,360 --> 00:52:16,719
Speaker 1: But I see it's it's a it's basically essentially on

1047
00:52:16,760 --> 00:52:19,960
Speaker 1: who they've drafted in the Patriots, they've struggled in that area.

1048
00:52:20,040 --> 00:52:22,839
Speaker 1: People like people like to get on Belichick for oh,

1049
00:52:22,880 --> 00:52:24,640
Speaker 1: he hasn't been that great a draft. He was. They

1050
00:52:24,640 --> 00:52:28,520
Speaker 1: were very good drafting. I would say until this Julian

1051
00:52:29,680 --> 00:52:32,160
Speaker 1: it's sort of fallen apart. Ever since the draft where

1052
00:52:32,160 --> 00:52:34,840
Speaker 1: they traded up people forget for High Tower and Chandler

1053
00:52:34,880 --> 00:52:37,800
Speaker 1: Jones and drafted them together. And since then they have

1054
00:52:38,000 --> 00:52:40,200
Speaker 1: they have had trouble. Like Howie Roseman is another guy,

1055
00:52:40,239 --> 00:52:42,960
Speaker 1: like I've done these GM rankings for years and Roseman

1056
00:52:43,000 --> 00:52:45,520
Speaker 1: in Belichick one year. I think we're one two and

1057
00:52:45,520 --> 00:52:47,839
Speaker 1: they're in. Belichick is always one. And it was just

1058
00:52:47,880 --> 00:52:50,360
Speaker 1: like the body of his work over twenty years and

1059
00:52:50,440 --> 00:52:53,080
Speaker 1: Roseman was always high. The Eagles were even worse than

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Speaker 1: this exercise. I mean, the best player they've drafted that

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00:52:55,920 --> 00:52:58,360
Speaker 1: I could come up with in the last um, what

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00:52:58,520 --> 00:53:00,879
Speaker 1: is it four years since he took back? Over five

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00:53:00,960 --> 00:53:03,239
Speaker 1: years since Roseman like got back out of the side

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00:53:03,239 --> 00:53:06,160
Speaker 1: of the building. You didn't like was Dallas got her like?

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00:53:06,239 --> 00:53:09,520
Speaker 1: The next one was probably went in like Jalen Mills

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00:53:09,640 --> 00:53:12,160
Speaker 1: and and then a lot of misses for I want

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00:53:12,160 --> 00:53:13,960
Speaker 1: to be like, if we ever who knows where our

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00:53:14,000 --> 00:53:16,480
Speaker 1: career goes from here, but if we ever ended up

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00:53:16,680 --> 00:53:19,480
Speaker 1: working for a team website, it was the Eagles. I

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00:53:19,480 --> 00:53:21,960
Speaker 1: would demand to be on that forbidden area of the

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00:53:22,000 --> 00:53:25,919
Speaker 1: Novacare Complex in Philadelphia where all the ghosts hang out,

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00:53:25,960 --> 00:53:28,640
Speaker 1: the ghost of Chip Kelly and old Howie Roseman and

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00:53:28,640 --> 00:53:31,920
Speaker 1: that analytical guy that Roseman hated. I just want to

1074
00:53:31,920 --> 00:53:37,120
Speaker 1: be in that like Dusty Cobweb area the Novacare Complex.

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00:53:37,320 --> 00:53:39,399
Speaker 1: I tend to think they would they would place your

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00:53:39,400 --> 00:53:42,400
Speaker 1: office is far away from like sort of the nerves.

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00:53:44,239 --> 00:53:46,799
Speaker 1: We would be kind of like we would be Eagles podcasters.

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00:53:46,840 --> 00:53:49,800
Speaker 1: I mean, this is a little bit you know, Weish

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00:53:49,960 --> 00:53:53,160
Speaker 1: is working for Atlanta Falcons Dot com or the Falcons

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00:53:53,320 --> 00:53:59,400
Speaker 1: congrats them like you we need how about um? You know,

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00:53:59,520 --> 00:54:01,400
Speaker 1: I guess it's only gonna work with like the gms

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00:54:01,440 --> 00:54:04,719
Speaker 1: that I praised. Um, John Robinson, I put you up

1083
00:54:04,760 --> 00:54:07,120
Speaker 1: at number six. That a lot of John Robinson love out.

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00:54:07,200 --> 00:54:12,319
Speaker 1: I put you up. John Robinson watches how Jerry Jones like,

1085
00:54:12,360 --> 00:54:13,960
Speaker 1: people make fun of you all the time. You know

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00:54:14,120 --> 00:54:16,560
Speaker 1: you're in the top eight. So way to go, Jerry Jones.

1087
00:54:16,560 --> 00:54:18,799
Speaker 1: So if you got any extra scratch sitting around, you

1088
00:54:18,880 --> 00:54:23,760
Speaker 1: need three podcasters to just do like an incredibly um,

1089
00:54:23,800 --> 00:54:26,279
Speaker 1: you know, positive cowboys podcast. We could do that for

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00:54:26,280 --> 00:54:27,960
Speaker 1: the rest. And Stephen Jones is like, can you at

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00:54:28,000 --> 00:54:30,600
Speaker 1: least give me a slash and put me in the conversation?

1092
00:54:30,680 --> 00:54:32,120
Speaker 1: I know, I don't know. I don't know what to

1093
00:54:32,160 --> 00:54:35,319
Speaker 1: do there. It's probably glasses at this point, but you

1094
00:54:35,360 --> 00:54:38,880
Speaker 1: don't really know. Like the guy that cleans Jerry's Jerry's glasses,

1095
00:54:39,200 --> 00:54:43,279
Speaker 1: get him on a slash there. Finally, John Gruden, Mike

1096
00:54:43,360 --> 00:54:49,880
Speaker 1: Mayock dead last Now listen, man, I get it, but

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00:54:49,920 --> 00:54:54,439
Speaker 1: I also don't get it because there has been Here's

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00:54:54,480 --> 00:54:56,480
Speaker 1: the thing we we talked about this sometimes we're talking

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00:54:56,480 --> 00:54:58,919
Speaker 1: about Cliff Kingsbury for instance, And whenever I say he's

1100
00:54:58,920 --> 00:55:00,520
Speaker 1: on the hot seat this year, you well, when you

1101
00:55:00,520 --> 00:55:03,080
Speaker 1: look at what they've made progress and uh, you know,

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00:55:03,400 --> 00:55:05,600
Speaker 1: as he since he's been there, so maybe this isn't

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00:55:05,640 --> 00:55:08,640
Speaker 1: a playoffs or bus for a cliff, And maybe you're

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00:55:08,719 --> 00:55:12,520
Speaker 1: right about that. With the Raiders, he inherited an awful

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00:55:12,600 --> 00:55:16,799
Speaker 1: team John Gruden and and he rebuilt it to the

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00:55:16,920 --> 00:55:21,359
Speaker 1: point where they are very competitive. They've failed in recent decembers,

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00:55:21,440 --> 00:55:24,520
Speaker 1: but I feel like there's more foundation since he's been

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00:55:24,560 --> 00:55:28,000
Speaker 1: there than there was when he came aboard. But you

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Speaker 1: have him dead last with Mike Mayock along for the ride,

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Speaker 1: so you don't agree. Obviously someone had to be last.

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00:55:35,320 --> 00:55:37,880
Speaker 1: Gedelman was second to last. They've only had three drafts

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00:55:37,880 --> 00:55:41,600
Speaker 1: and Scrutin has been there. They've had like five first

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00:55:41,680 --> 00:55:46,000
Speaker 1: round picks in the last two drafts, and the best

1114
00:55:46,040 --> 00:55:50,600
Speaker 1: one is probably Josh Jacobs, who didn't look great last year.

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00:55:50,800 --> 00:55:54,279
Speaker 1: You know, overall, it was okay Um Cleveland Farrell at

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00:55:54,360 --> 00:55:57,000
Speaker 1: number four. Jonathan Abron was a bit of a fiasco.

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00:55:57,200 --> 00:55:59,279
Speaker 1: Like everyone was kind of like waiting for him to

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00:55:59,280 --> 00:56:01,919
Speaker 1: come back from harden Ox and he struggled last year.

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00:56:01,960 --> 00:56:04,400
Speaker 1: Like the guys they drafted who looked good in twenty

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00:56:04,480 --> 00:56:07,520
Speaker 1: nineteen didn't look so good in and they've had some

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00:56:07,560 --> 00:56:10,120
Speaker 1: pretty big swings and misses otherwise. So he was hurt

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00:56:10,120 --> 00:56:12,200
Speaker 1: because there's only three draft to judge off of, and

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00:56:12,680 --> 00:56:14,680
Speaker 1: they've had a lot of premium picks and they haven't

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00:56:14,760 --> 00:56:17,719
Speaker 1: really hit like any big ones. I would say, I mean,

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00:56:17,719 --> 00:56:20,080
Speaker 1: you'd have to look at the Khalil Mack trade in

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Speaker 1: the Hall that they got in return, and I don't

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00:56:22,760 --> 00:56:24,759
Speaker 1: think it looks that impressive. But I'd always have a

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00:56:24,880 --> 00:56:28,359
Speaker 1: question with the set up um in Las Vegas. You've

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00:56:28,400 --> 00:56:30,719
Speaker 1: got Gruden in Mayok, and I mean Mayok is a

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00:56:30,719 --> 00:56:32,680
Speaker 1: an alpha male, and you know, I think he's got

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00:56:32,680 --> 00:56:35,440
Speaker 1: a good eye for talent. But Gruden always feels like

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00:56:35,560 --> 00:56:37,799
Speaker 1: he'd be a coach that is going to grab as

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00:56:37,840 --> 00:56:40,440
Speaker 1: much power as possible. So when you you know you

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00:56:40,520 --> 00:56:42,040
Speaker 1: have to put him together like you did. I don't

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Speaker 1: know who takes more of the blame there though, but

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00:56:44,239 --> 00:56:46,480
Speaker 1: I do think they have gotten better. They they he

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Speaker 1: inherited a disasters. Here's here's my theory. By the way,

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00:56:50,600 --> 00:56:54,400
Speaker 1: I think he's a really good offensive coach, so I

1139
00:56:54,400 --> 00:56:58,239
Speaker 1: think he's coaching them up offensively really well and the

1140
00:56:58,239 --> 00:57:00,360
Speaker 1: rest of it, you know, you take you off the

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00:57:00,400 --> 00:57:02,319
Speaker 1: board a little bit. You take Ferrell number four, you

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00:57:02,360 --> 00:57:05,319
Speaker 1: take Rugs ahead of some really talented wide receivers like

1143
00:57:05,400 --> 00:57:08,279
Speaker 1: Justin Jefferson and Ceedee Lamb. You're sticking your neck out

1144
00:57:08,280 --> 00:57:09,799
Speaker 1: a little bit. You gotta be right on those picks.

1145
00:57:10,520 --> 00:57:13,880
Speaker 1: But the Ferrell and some moves they've made, uh in

1146
00:57:13,920 --> 00:57:17,800
Speaker 1: the front defensive front confirmed some doubts about Farrell, And yeah,

1147
00:57:17,840 --> 00:57:19,840
Speaker 1: Ruggs needs to hit. Ruggs needs to hit in a

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00:57:19,840 --> 00:57:23,280
Speaker 1: big way, especially with Justin Jefferson being all world uh

1149
00:57:23,320 --> 00:57:26,160
Speaker 1: in his first year in Minnesota. Alright, check it out

1150
00:57:26,320 --> 00:57:29,400
Speaker 1: NFL dot com Slash Rosenthal. If Mayok ever comes back

1151
00:57:29,440 --> 00:57:32,480
Speaker 1: to NFL network, I just said he won't know about this,

1152
00:57:32,640 --> 00:57:35,120
Speaker 1: but it seems like they always find out somehow. We've

1153
00:57:35,160 --> 00:57:37,720
Speaker 1: known you for like ten years, Greg, and like half

1154
00:57:37,760 --> 00:57:40,360
Speaker 1: of your relationships are like Larry David. There's like some

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00:57:40,680 --> 00:57:43,000
Speaker 1: uncomfortable nature to them. So it won't be I'm sure

1156
00:57:43,000 --> 00:57:45,280
Speaker 1: you'll be okay with it. You'll be cool. Yeah. I mean,

1157
00:57:45,320 --> 00:57:47,840
Speaker 1: it's not like he was texting me to go play

1158
00:57:48,120 --> 00:57:51,240
Speaker 1: doubles or anything. He definitely was not. Greg's like our

1159
00:57:51,320 --> 00:57:55,080
Speaker 1: version of Larry David Um. Alright, moving on Mary David

1160
00:57:55,200 --> 00:57:58,800
Speaker 1: money give me it. Alright, we'll work on that as well.

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Speaker 1: All right, good talk their what a show that Keefer

1162
00:58:04,160 --> 00:58:09,120
Speaker 1: talking about the Mailman did some good news. Greg's GM

1163
00:58:09,200 --> 00:58:12,800
Speaker 1: column fire and now to cap things off, it is

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Speaker 1: draft season, so let's get a rising star in the

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00:58:17,080 --> 00:58:21,600
Speaker 1: draft analysis game. Uh. He is a contributor for The Athletic,

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00:58:21,920 --> 00:58:26,080
Speaker 1: He writes draft reports for Bleacher Report, and he is

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Speaker 1: a second time visitor to the Around the NFL podcast.

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Speaker 1: Let's welcome back Nate Tye. Welcome back, buddy, Thanks for

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00:58:34,040 --> 00:58:36,280
Speaker 1: having me so two times. When is there like a

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00:58:36,320 --> 00:58:38,480
Speaker 1: cap after five or like a T shirt with your

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00:58:38,520 --> 00:58:40,320
Speaker 1: name on it after ten or something like that. No,

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00:58:40,480 --> 00:58:42,800
Speaker 1: there is, There's definitely not a cat cap. But we

1173
00:58:42,960 --> 00:58:46,440
Speaker 1: and this kind of this peak the curiosity of our

1174
00:58:46,480 --> 00:58:49,000
Speaker 1: listenership for sure, that I kind of let it slip

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00:58:49,080 --> 00:58:51,240
Speaker 1: that we do have like a hit it and quiddit club.

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00:58:51,920 --> 00:58:56,600
Speaker 1: People that are one non hit wonders go off kind

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00:58:56,600 --> 00:58:58,760
Speaker 1: of yeah. And you know, if you don't, if you

1178
00:58:58,800 --> 00:59:02,000
Speaker 1: don't bring the heat, and for whatever reason you rub

1179
00:59:02,080 --> 00:59:05,320
Speaker 1: us the wrong way, whether it's your performance or even

1180
00:59:05,320 --> 00:59:08,360
Speaker 1: your internet connection, it could be it then your your history.

1181
00:59:08,400 --> 00:59:11,240
Speaker 1: So Nate, I think this confirms that we view you

1182
00:59:11,320 --> 00:59:14,440
Speaker 1: as an asset on the show. And uh and you

1183
00:59:14,440 --> 00:59:17,479
Speaker 1: know it's it's a uh Mark and Greg little test.

1184
00:59:17,840 --> 00:59:22,400
Speaker 1: The draft blind spot maybe is a little too strong,

1185
00:59:22,560 --> 00:59:25,240
Speaker 1: but also spot on. We need help sometimes. I don't

1186
00:59:25,240 --> 00:59:27,640
Speaker 1: think it's too strong. I think it may be accurate.

1187
00:59:29,600 --> 00:59:31,840
Speaker 1: It's not our thing. We really take over. We take

1188
00:59:31,840 --> 00:59:34,840
Speaker 1: the baton once these guys hit the pro level. But

1189
00:59:34,920 --> 00:59:37,880
Speaker 1: we need help and and we want to talk about, um,

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Speaker 1: some of these prospects that are interesting to you. Let's

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00:59:40,160 --> 00:59:44,640
Speaker 1: start at quarterback, Nate. I mean, everybody loves to talk quarterback. Um,

1192
00:59:44,680 --> 00:59:48,600
Speaker 1: Justin Fields is a guy who it depends who you

1193
00:59:48,640 --> 00:59:51,040
Speaker 1: talk to. You know, obviously he's one of those guys

1194
00:59:51,040 --> 00:59:53,360
Speaker 1: that's a somewhat polarizing figure. Where do you fall on

1195
00:59:53,440 --> 00:59:56,840
Speaker 1: Fields and where he fits into this and whether people

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00:59:56,880 --> 00:59:59,439
Speaker 1: will be smacking their foreheads one way or the other

1197
00:59:59,760 --> 01:00:02,720
Speaker 1: a couple of years and now about where he went. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I'm I'm a huge fan of Fields. I have him.

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Speaker 1: Originally it was the big four quarterbacks and then all

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01:00:08,440 --> 01:00:10,680
Speaker 1: of a sudden, now it's a big five. All of

1201
01:00:10,720 --> 01:00:12,560
Speaker 1: a sudden, after we just watched mac Jones for an

1202
01:00:12,640 --> 01:00:14,600
Speaker 1: entire year, but also now everyone wants to love him

1203
01:00:14,600 --> 01:00:17,920
Speaker 1: for this past month. But I feel that too overall

1204
01:00:18,080 --> 01:00:21,200
Speaker 1: or two overall, my like just prospects and also just

1205
01:00:21,240 --> 01:00:24,560
Speaker 1: behind Trevor Lawrence, and I think he's closer to Trevor Lawrence,

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01:00:24,560 --> 01:00:28,080
Speaker 1: who I do view as truly a generational quarterback prospect.

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01:00:28,480 --> 01:00:31,160
Speaker 1: I feel I I view fields as closer to him

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Speaker 1: than any of the other quarterback prospects. Like I am,

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01:00:33,760 --> 01:00:36,600
Speaker 1: I'm extremely high on him. I just think he kind

1210
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Speaker 1: of he checks all the boxes, especially as a modern quarterback,

1211
01:00:39,960 --> 01:00:42,080
Speaker 1: and not everyone wants to talk about, oh yeah, it's big,

1212
01:00:42,120 --> 01:00:44,920
Speaker 1: he's athletic, the classic trade stuff, but he's just so

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Speaker 1: intelligent and just what he does every every week, weekend,

1214
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Speaker 1: week out, what he's doing with the House State offense,

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Speaker 1: because it's just such an aggressive offense that's very down

1216
01:00:53,400 --> 01:00:55,840
Speaker 1: the field, very very just attack the attack. I mean

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01:00:56,040 --> 01:00:58,240
Speaker 1: actually it's a uh if you guys remember like the

1218
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Speaker 1: late Danny Green and my dad's often is in Minnesota,

1219
01:01:00,880 --> 01:01:03,600
Speaker 1: like those type that type of scheme. Just everything's down

1220
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Speaker 1: to field, down to field, down the field, and he's

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Speaker 1: so accurate at all three levels. That's what's stunned me?

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Speaker 1: I had heard of justin fields. You guys said, oh yeah,

1223
01:01:11,560 --> 01:01:13,400
Speaker 1: we don't focus on these guys until they're the NFL.

1224
01:01:13,440 --> 01:01:15,640
Speaker 1: I'm about a half step bear and you guys like

1225
01:01:16,040 --> 01:01:19,760
Speaker 1: I watched I watched Wisconsin football games, a couple other

1226
01:01:19,840 --> 01:01:21,959
Speaker 1: big games and that's about it, like ten college games

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01:01:21,960 --> 01:01:24,960
Speaker 1: a year basically. Um. And so I was like, all right,

1228
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Speaker 1: what's the hype on this guy? I watched him. I

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Speaker 1: was just shocked how accurate he was. And I mean

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Speaker 1: it's all three levels. And he has the athleticism and

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01:01:31,000 --> 01:01:33,080
Speaker 1: the body control to kind of like even when he's

1232
01:01:33,120 --> 01:01:35,800
Speaker 1: off balance and anything or anything like that still put

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Speaker 1: it on the money. So that I think he really

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01:01:38,120 --> 01:01:40,280
Speaker 1: is almost as complete of a package as you can

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Speaker 1: get at the quarterback position. I love it. I mean

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Speaker 1: he does throw dimes. That's the thing. Like you you

1237
01:01:45,200 --> 01:01:47,960
Speaker 1: watch him. I'm no draft nick, but it's like fifty

1238
01:01:47,960 --> 01:01:51,480
Speaker 1: five yards down the field like it's nothing, yep on

1239
01:01:51,600 --> 01:01:54,320
Speaker 1: the spot. Like accuracy should be the number one thing.

1240
01:01:54,800 --> 01:01:58,160
Speaker 1: And and it's funny. I've I've watched what's happening this

1241
01:01:58,240 --> 01:02:00,920
Speaker 1: week in the Cognis sent the and it it was

1242
01:02:00,960 --> 01:02:03,960
Speaker 1: predictable they're getting to the point where I at least

1243
01:02:04,000 --> 01:02:06,200
Speaker 1: felt like I was thinking about a couple of weeks ago,

1244
01:02:06,240 --> 01:02:08,919
Speaker 1: which was just like, well, maybe let's not spend all

1245
01:02:09,000 --> 01:02:11,680
Speaker 1: this time killing the mac Jones pick before they wait

1246
01:02:11,800 --> 01:02:14,040
Speaker 1: they make it for the forty nine, because like what

1247
01:02:14,280 --> 01:02:17,600
Speaker 1: I mean, granted a lot of pre draft process, you know,

1248
01:02:17,720 --> 01:02:19,880
Speaker 1: talk is like a waste of time. I think the

1249
01:02:19,920 --> 01:02:22,160
Speaker 1: fact that there was no combine here, like this was

1250
01:02:22,200 --> 01:02:24,000
Speaker 1: the time of year. By the way, our friend Chris Wesling,

1251
01:02:24,080 --> 01:02:25,880
Speaker 1: he hated this time here because it's like it's a

1252
01:02:25,920 --> 01:02:27,720
Speaker 1: lot of hot air. It's a lot of narratives changing

1253
01:02:27,760 --> 01:02:31,120
Speaker 1: without anything changing. But my thing was kind of like, Okay,

1254
01:02:31,160 --> 01:02:34,280
Speaker 1: we have all these smart people you're watching justin Fields.

1255
01:02:35,000 --> 01:02:38,640
Speaker 1: He's a pocket guy, he can throw off platform, he's accurate.

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Speaker 1: I don't know, maybe the forty Niners don't want to.

1257
01:02:40,760 --> 01:02:44,520
Speaker 1: Maybe they do, but like, let's let's see what happens

1258
01:02:44,600 --> 01:02:46,600
Speaker 1: before we kill it, and maybe by the end of

1259
01:02:46,600 --> 01:02:49,000
Speaker 1: this process they do take him, and everyone's like, oh yeah,

1260
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Speaker 1: actually that makes sense, Like are you with me? Are

1261
01:02:51,520 --> 01:02:53,360
Speaker 1: you with me? That they could do that, or that

1262
01:02:53,400 --> 01:02:55,880
Speaker 1: they could take Trede Lance and that maybe this is

1263
01:02:55,960 --> 01:02:59,120
Speaker 1: just like a whole bunch of people being wrong. By

1264
01:02:59,160 --> 01:03:02,400
Speaker 1: the way, Adam Schefter and Rappaport are often wrong on

1265
01:03:02,600 --> 01:03:04,880
Speaker 1: like predicting where the draft guys are gonna go. It's

1266
01:03:04,920 --> 01:03:07,880
Speaker 1: just a fact. I plug my fingers in my ears

1267
01:03:07,880 --> 01:03:09,640
Speaker 1: and just go. As soon as I have my opinion

1268
01:03:09,640 --> 01:03:11,160
Speaker 1: on a player, I just go la la la la,

1269
01:03:11,240 --> 01:03:13,040
Speaker 1: la la la la, because it's just like, what what

1270
01:03:13,200 --> 01:03:14,920
Speaker 1: is a pro day in short's going to tell you? Like,

1271
01:03:15,040 --> 01:03:17,880
Speaker 1: why does that change anything? We we overestimate how much

1272
01:03:17,920 --> 01:03:20,320
Speaker 1: that changed. Maybe it does, I mean for some decision

1273
01:03:20,320 --> 01:03:23,680
Speaker 1: makers sadly, but it's like, what what changes with these guys?

1274
01:03:23,720 --> 01:03:25,920
Speaker 1: We have the film on them already. I do think

1275
01:03:25,960 --> 01:03:27,960
Speaker 1: it is a smoke screen. I do think at three

1276
01:03:28,000 --> 01:03:30,520
Speaker 1: they're going Fields or Lance. It's just so it just

1277
01:03:30,560 --> 01:03:32,480
Speaker 1: doesn't make sense to me, Like you just watch these

1278
01:03:32,520 --> 01:03:35,320
Speaker 1: guys and you're like, I get it. Which one do

1279
01:03:35,360 --> 01:03:37,800
Speaker 1: you think if if you had to guess, because like

1280
01:03:37,880 --> 01:03:40,400
Speaker 1: Lance is a bit of a mystery to us. I

1281
01:03:40,560 --> 01:03:44,120
Speaker 1: think Fields, uh is the pick? But or or what

1282
01:03:44,200 --> 01:03:46,400
Speaker 1: they would have have above. But I can see the

1283
01:03:46,480 --> 01:03:50,320
Speaker 1: argument for Lance and and Lance I compared to Donovan mcnapp,

1284
01:03:50,680 --> 01:03:52,200
Speaker 1: Like if you want to get like a little close

1285
01:03:52,240 --> 01:03:53,760
Speaker 1: your eyes like kind of like picture of what a

1286
01:03:53,800 --> 01:03:56,680
Speaker 1: player he is, even the over to exaggerated, over the

1287
01:03:56,680 --> 01:03:59,160
Speaker 1: top delivery, like watch him throw like and you guys

1288
01:03:59,200 --> 01:04:00,840
Speaker 1: will know you know that time period, you'll be like.

1289
01:04:01,320 --> 01:04:03,680
Speaker 1: And he wears number five too, so that also adds

1290
01:04:03,720 --> 01:04:05,400
Speaker 1: to it. So it's like, oh my god, this guy's

1291
01:04:05,400 --> 01:04:07,240
Speaker 1: a lot like Manette. He's big, he's like about six

1292
01:04:07,240 --> 01:04:09,919
Speaker 1: to and change, but he's thick. He's very well built.

1293
01:04:09,960 --> 01:04:11,760
Speaker 1: All these guys are well built, except you know, Zack

1294
01:04:11,800 --> 01:04:15,360
Speaker 1: Wilson's a little skinnier. But it's I I think it's fields.

1295
01:04:15,520 --> 01:04:18,120
Speaker 1: That's that's a personal thing. But if they went Lance there,

1296
01:04:18,360 --> 01:04:20,960
Speaker 1: I get it, like because his upside is just huge

1297
01:04:21,080 --> 01:04:24,800
Speaker 1: and he's Lance is so much more. He's an unprecedented

1298
01:04:24,840 --> 01:04:27,200
Speaker 1: kind of prospect FCS, all that stuff. You guys have

1299
01:04:27,320 --> 01:04:29,440
Speaker 1: heard it, even if you're not paying attention to it.

1300
01:04:29,440 --> 01:04:32,560
Speaker 1: It's that he was so much more intelligent and more

1301
01:04:33,000 --> 01:04:35,360
Speaker 1: polished than I was expecting when I was watching him.

1302
01:04:35,400 --> 01:04:39,240
Speaker 1: He he makes adjustments and protections he um, which was

1303
01:04:39,440 --> 01:04:41,800
Speaker 1: like you can tangibly see it, like you can. It's

1304
01:04:41,800 --> 01:04:44,360
Speaker 1: not me just guessing. It's like you watch him, he's communicating,

1305
01:04:44,560 --> 01:04:46,560
Speaker 1: and then after the fact you hear stories about like, no,

1306
01:04:46,640 --> 01:04:49,560
Speaker 1: that's him communicating. He's changing the protection points and he

1307
01:04:49,640 --> 01:04:51,920
Speaker 1: was doing that as a retchirt freshman, which is just

1308
01:04:52,000 --> 01:04:54,880
Speaker 1: like holy crap, Like that is like some really really

1309
01:04:54,920 --> 01:04:58,080
Speaker 1: interesting stuff to watch. And he's just a very mechanically

1310
01:04:58,120 --> 01:05:00,920
Speaker 1: sound he's almost sometimes a little too robotic, like he's

1311
01:05:00,960 --> 01:05:03,120
Speaker 1: like too well coached, Like he's like, okay, get to

1312
01:05:03,160 --> 01:05:06,040
Speaker 1: the first raid, Okay, now to the second raid. Okay,

1313
01:05:06,040 --> 01:05:07,760
Speaker 1: he has to speed it up a little bit, but man,

1314
01:05:07,960 --> 01:05:10,000
Speaker 1: he he has a lot of tools to work with.

1315
01:05:10,000 --> 01:05:12,560
Speaker 1: He's supposed to be an outstanding kid. You can see

1316
01:05:12,600 --> 01:05:15,280
Speaker 1: the intelligence every time he's playing, and that's really cool.

1317
01:05:15,760 --> 01:05:17,840
Speaker 1: So he's a little less of a project and even

1318
01:05:17,880 --> 01:05:19,640
Speaker 1: I was expecting when I was first watching him, but

1319
01:05:19,640 --> 01:05:21,800
Speaker 1: he still is a little bit just you know, adjustment

1320
01:05:21,840 --> 01:05:24,120
Speaker 1: to speed of the game. But I think it's fields

1321
01:05:24,120 --> 01:05:26,280
Speaker 1: are lance because I just can't see them move up.

1322
01:05:26,400 --> 01:05:28,480
Speaker 1: For Mac Jones, who who I think is more like

1323
01:05:28,560 --> 01:05:31,280
Speaker 1: a Chad pen Pennington type then a guy that's like

1324
01:05:31,480 --> 01:05:33,800
Speaker 1: uh m v P type candidate or a guy that's

1325
01:05:33,800 --> 01:05:35,800
Speaker 1: like an All Pro Pro Bowl candidate year after year

1326
01:05:36,360 --> 01:05:41,760
Speaker 1: with before that was like it's a compliment and a diss.

1327
01:05:41,800 --> 01:05:44,560
Speaker 1: That's the thing. It's like, it's, yeah, I don't know,

1328
01:05:44,600 --> 01:05:46,920
Speaker 1: but that's what I'm trying. Oh man, I should I

1329
01:05:46,920 --> 01:05:48,560
Speaker 1: hate that I'm saying this, but people on Twitter I

1330
01:05:48,560 --> 01:05:50,000
Speaker 1: took that as a diss. I'm like, have you guys

1331
01:05:50,000 --> 01:05:52,800
Speaker 1: watched Chad Pennington? Do you remember Chad Pennington? Like this

1332
01:05:52,840 --> 01:05:55,919
Speaker 1: is that? Like that was really compliment? Yeah, he was good.

1333
01:05:55,960 --> 01:05:58,040
Speaker 1: He was good. But that's that's a good little snapshot

1334
01:05:58,040 --> 01:06:00,040
Speaker 1: in your head. That what I kind of project to

1335
01:06:00,120 --> 01:06:03,280
Speaker 1: mask more of like a number eight, number nine, seven

1336
01:06:03,520 --> 01:06:06,520
Speaker 1: best quarterback in the league. Good can be very good

1337
01:06:06,560 --> 01:06:08,280
Speaker 1: with a good system around him, where you know it

1338
01:06:08,320 --> 01:06:09,560
Speaker 1: kind of has a year way as a Pro Bowl

1339
01:06:09,600 --> 01:06:11,560
Speaker 1: year with a really good team around him, you know.

1340
01:06:11,640 --> 01:06:14,160
Speaker 1: But it's that's his upside, Like you're talking about Andy

1341
01:06:14,240 --> 01:06:19,640
Speaker 1: Dalton a little bit. Well, I was, first of all,

1342
01:06:19,680 --> 01:06:24,320
Speaker 1: I am mystified by the concept of the Niners um

1343
01:06:24,360 --> 01:06:27,120
Speaker 1: having to delve into smoke screens when they're sitting at

1344
01:06:27,240 --> 01:06:29,640
Speaker 1: number three. I mean, it's one thing if you to

1345
01:06:29,720 --> 01:06:31,800
Speaker 1: me that that's the whole separate thing. But I would

1346
01:06:31,800 --> 01:06:34,479
Speaker 1: ask this almost on behalf of of Dan and Jets

1347
01:06:34,520 --> 01:06:37,640
Speaker 1: fans like it's kind of ticketed that it's Zack Wilson

1348
01:06:37,640 --> 01:06:40,320
Speaker 1: to the Jets. I wondered one if if that could

1349
01:06:40,400 --> 01:06:42,760
Speaker 1: change during this process. We're getting close to the draft,

1350
01:06:42,800 --> 01:06:44,720
Speaker 1: so maybe it's just their guy. But if you're the

1351
01:06:44,800 --> 01:06:47,800
Speaker 1: Jets and you're sold on Zach Wilson, what about him

1352
01:06:48,200 --> 01:06:51,800
Speaker 1: could sell you over Fields, over Lance, over the rest

1353
01:06:51,800 --> 01:06:53,640
Speaker 1: of these guys, Because I mean, it just seems like

1354
01:06:53,680 --> 01:06:57,520
Speaker 1: a foregone conclusion that it's Lawrence and then Zach Wilson

1355
01:06:57,600 --> 01:07:01,360
Speaker 1: and I are the Jets that sure they seem like

1356
01:07:01,400 --> 01:07:03,960
Speaker 1: they are right. I actually did say to somebody, actually

1357
01:07:03,960 --> 01:07:06,840
Speaker 1: literally yesterday, I said, if Joe Douglas with this, this

1358
01:07:06,920 --> 01:07:09,040
Speaker 1: was the biggest smoke screen ever and Joe Douglas ended

1359
01:07:09,080 --> 01:07:10,600
Speaker 1: up taking like Fields at two, I would be I

1360
01:07:10,640 --> 01:07:12,560
Speaker 1: Ke'd be like my favorite GM because like just to

1361
01:07:12,600 --> 01:07:15,000
Speaker 1: be able to like just get everybody off the smoke

1362
01:07:15,360 --> 01:07:18,160
Speaker 1: of the scent and just also goes completely different. Um,

1363
01:07:18,160 --> 01:07:22,320
Speaker 1: Wilson is he's exciting that. I'm gonna openly admit that

1364
01:07:22,360 --> 01:07:24,720
Speaker 1: he's a very exciting player. I have a lot more

1365
01:07:24,760 --> 01:07:27,040
Speaker 1: negatives on him than the other three guys that I've

1366
01:07:27,080 --> 01:07:28,800
Speaker 1: We've already talked about what we don't really talk Lawrence,

1367
01:07:28,800 --> 01:07:33,240
Speaker 1: but you get it. But it's it's with Wilson, it's uh,

1368
01:07:33,280 --> 01:07:35,600
Speaker 1: you know, he that creating the play, creating off the

1369
01:07:35,600 --> 01:07:38,240
Speaker 1: platform stuff. He is accurate, like I do see a

1370
01:07:38,280 --> 01:07:41,040
Speaker 1: lot of the accuracy. My knox with him was that

1371
01:07:41,120 --> 01:07:43,920
Speaker 1: he you know, he's skinnier, he's under tune or ten pounds.

1372
01:07:44,240 --> 01:07:46,520
Speaker 1: Um he lent like like to fourteen as pro day,

1373
01:07:46,520 --> 01:07:49,160
Speaker 1: but whatever, that's water weight. He you know, he's skinny.

1374
01:07:49,440 --> 01:07:51,720
Speaker 1: And if you're under tun or ten pounds, if you

1375
01:07:51,760 --> 01:07:53,800
Speaker 1: look at the history of quarterbacks are under tuner and

1376
01:07:53,800 --> 01:07:55,720
Speaker 1: ten pounds. I hate that making such a big deal

1377
01:07:55,760 --> 01:07:58,040
Speaker 1: about weight, but it actually holds up. You have to

1378
01:07:58,040 --> 01:08:01,600
Speaker 1: be a freak athlete like Vick or Are or Mark Boulger,

1379
01:08:02,520 --> 01:08:04,400
Speaker 1: and that's it. Like that, that's it if you're under

1380
01:08:04,400 --> 01:08:06,440
Speaker 1: ten pounds and that's a sixth round pick. I think

1381
01:08:06,520 --> 01:08:08,960
Speaker 1: Boulger was. What was your weight at Wisconsin? You were

1382
01:08:09,120 --> 01:08:12,040
Speaker 1: you know, famously Russell Wilson's backup with it where you

1383
01:08:12,120 --> 01:08:14,960
Speaker 1: above to ten? Oh yeah, I was two thirty two.

1384
01:08:15,080 --> 01:08:17,280
Speaker 1: I hung out with a lineman. So there was a

1385
01:08:17,320 --> 01:08:20,559
Speaker 1: lot of a lot of beer, a lot of unhealthy eating.

1386
01:08:21,400 --> 01:08:26,040
Speaker 1: Point to that, to that point. So you played D

1387
01:08:26,160 --> 01:08:29,120
Speaker 1: one college ball. Is that something where you know these

1388
01:08:29,120 --> 01:08:31,680
Speaker 1: guys fill out and now talking as a jet span

1389
01:08:31,720 --> 01:08:34,280
Speaker 1: a little bit. The idea like he's not gonna probably

1390
01:08:34,320 --> 01:08:36,560
Speaker 1: be at two ten five years from now or or

1391
01:08:36,640 --> 01:08:39,360
Speaker 1: certain body types. Is he just always gonna seem to

1392
01:08:39,439 --> 01:08:42,160
Speaker 1: you or probably end up as an undersized guy in

1393
01:08:42,280 --> 01:08:45,120
Speaker 1: terms of the weight. I think it's like there could

1394
01:08:45,120 --> 01:08:48,080
Speaker 1: be addressed. Well, you know how like Derek Carr's built,

1395
01:08:48,120 --> 01:08:50,240
Speaker 1: you know, he's kind of thin. Don't come at Zack

1396
01:08:50,320 --> 01:08:55,000
Speaker 1: Wilson right now, Nate and I see that. I see that,

1397
01:08:55,240 --> 01:08:57,680
Speaker 1: But that is that that's a great, great point. I

1398
01:08:57,720 --> 01:08:59,799
Speaker 1: think he is maxed out as far he can get stronger,

1399
01:09:00,080 --> 01:09:02,080
Speaker 1: you can get it up to you to ten. But

1400
01:09:02,280 --> 01:09:04,280
Speaker 1: it's more like that's just a snapshot of his frame

1401
01:09:04,600 --> 01:09:07,000
Speaker 1: and it's like he is he is skinny. I hate

1402
01:09:07,000 --> 01:09:09,080
Speaker 1: that I talk about like all these like body type stuff,

1403
01:09:09,080 --> 01:09:11,439
Speaker 1: but it does hold up. It's just like the skinny

1404
01:09:11,479 --> 01:09:14,360
Speaker 1: he has kind of that skinny leg frame where it's like, okay,

1405
01:09:14,439 --> 01:09:16,920
Speaker 1: he seems to be already kind of there's not like

1406
01:09:16,960 --> 01:09:18,719
Speaker 1: a lot of room for growth that I can see.

1407
01:09:19,800 --> 01:09:24,680
Speaker 1: What about Tod Brady's combined photo. What is it give

1408
01:09:24,720 --> 01:09:26,880
Speaker 1: be that accurate that like every single ball is gonna

1409
01:09:26,880 --> 01:09:29,720
Speaker 1: be all the money. See, I mean I'm a little uncomfortable,

1410
01:09:29,840 --> 01:09:32,120
Speaker 1: yeah with this skinny shaming and it's tough out there.

1411
01:09:32,880 --> 01:09:36,040
Speaker 1: Um for a small frame, guys. Mark knows what I'm

1412
01:09:36,080 --> 01:09:39,880
Speaker 1: talking about. Like we were getting um some nice swag,

1413
01:09:40,080 --> 01:09:42,720
Speaker 1: you know, thank you to the podcast department. Awesome, Like

1414
01:09:42,760 --> 01:09:45,000
Speaker 1: we got some swag in the mail. But like if

1415
01:09:45,040 --> 01:09:47,080
Speaker 1: you're asking for that, men's small. They don't got it.

1416
01:09:47,120 --> 01:09:51,680
Speaker 1: They don't even they don't even have that as it's

1417
01:09:51,760 --> 01:09:53,840
Speaker 1: gonna be baggy. You wouldn't be small, Mark, but I

1418
01:09:53,840 --> 01:09:56,400
Speaker 1: would be. And it's like we don't have that. Where

1419
01:09:56,439 --> 01:09:59,479
Speaker 1: the medium ahead. I'm a I'm a bona fide medium,

1420
01:09:59,520 --> 01:10:02,360
Speaker 1: and I've you my body is you know, just maybe

1421
01:10:02,400 --> 01:10:05,920
Speaker 1: a tick uh left of pristine. So I don't don't

1422
01:10:05,960 --> 01:10:09,479
Speaker 1: bump me in with your your business excel and proud

1423
01:10:09,560 --> 01:10:14,200
Speaker 1: here um Nate. So let's move off quarterbacks for a second. Um,

1424
01:10:14,840 --> 01:10:16,720
Speaker 1: I got back down to excel recently, and I'm so

1425
01:10:16,760 --> 01:10:19,920
Speaker 1: proud of myself, Like like I'm so proud of myself.

1426
01:10:21,400 --> 01:10:23,759
Speaker 1: It's so hard getting to xuft to like fit properly

1427
01:10:23,800 --> 01:10:26,120
Speaker 1: and also it's like excel. I'm like, oh yeah, that's nice.

1428
01:10:26,160 --> 01:10:28,559
Speaker 1: That's nice that every now everything's baggy. It's like this

1429
01:10:28,600 --> 01:10:32,080
Speaker 1: is great. Yeh th h I c c um no.

1430
01:10:32,360 --> 01:10:37,400
Speaker 1: So wide receivers, let's talk wide receivers. Jamaar Chase obviously

1431
01:10:37,560 --> 01:10:40,960
Speaker 1: everybody's in love with him, Davanta Smith, Jalen Waddle, the

1432
01:10:40,960 --> 01:10:44,320
Speaker 1: two Alabama receivers. Um. You see how in year one

1433
01:10:45,280 --> 01:10:48,160
Speaker 1: these guys can hit and become immediate playmakers and stars

1434
01:10:48,200 --> 01:10:50,280
Speaker 1: as we saw it with Justin Jefferson just to name

1435
01:10:50,600 --> 01:10:54,280
Speaker 1: one example last season. Outside those three guys I just mentioned,

1436
01:10:54,360 --> 01:10:56,040
Speaker 1: is there someone else in this draft class or a

1437
01:10:56,080 --> 01:10:58,400
Speaker 1: couple of guys however many you wanted to talk about

1438
01:10:58,640 --> 01:11:03,360
Speaker 1: that jump at you that could be immediate contributors. Oh yeah.

1439
01:11:03,400 --> 01:11:05,439
Speaker 1: One of my favorite players in the draft period and

1440
01:11:05,479 --> 01:11:09,240
Speaker 1: actually my receiver to um ahead of Chase, which is

1441
01:11:09,320 --> 01:11:12,799
Speaker 1: kind of crazy. It's it's splitting hairs is Rashad Bateman

1442
01:11:12,960 --> 01:11:17,720
Speaker 1: from University of Minnesota, and I I love Bateman. I

1443
01:11:17,320 --> 01:11:20,080
Speaker 1: I think he is just like a no brainer going

1444
01:11:20,120 --> 01:11:22,439
Speaker 1: to be a contributor to day one type of player

1445
01:11:22,520 --> 01:11:24,680
Speaker 1: and has the upside to be to be more like

1446
01:11:24,760 --> 01:11:26,800
Speaker 1: I am a big big fan of his. Just the

1447
01:11:26,840 --> 01:11:30,120
Speaker 1: polish he brings, the route running. He's doing three oh

1448
01:11:30,240 --> 01:11:33,840
Speaker 1: one level stuff. Um as a true junior, actually really

1449
01:11:33,840 --> 01:11:35,880
Speaker 1: as a true sophomore was his real tape. This year

1450
01:11:35,960 --> 01:11:38,519
Speaker 1: was weird. He had COVID, he he opted out, originally

1451
01:11:38,520 --> 01:11:40,200
Speaker 1: played a couple of games, then he opted out again.

1452
01:11:40,280 --> 01:11:43,120
Speaker 1: Like kind of a weird season for him. But his progression.

1453
01:11:43,160 --> 01:11:45,439
Speaker 1: He's super young too, He's come he's twenty. I think

1454
01:11:45,439 --> 01:11:46,920
Speaker 1: he just turned twenty one. He's only a couple of

1455
01:11:46,920 --> 01:11:49,559
Speaker 1: months younger than Jamaar Chase, who everyone brings up his age.

1456
01:11:49,880 --> 01:11:51,960
Speaker 1: This guy was dominating to just but he was just

1457
01:11:52,120 --> 01:11:54,000
Speaker 1: you know, a couple months older I should say than Chase.

1458
01:11:54,479 --> 01:11:57,920
Speaker 1: And but just the that polish that uh, right away,

1459
01:11:57,960 --> 01:12:00,320
Speaker 1: he's gonna be a route running technician. My original arison

1460
01:12:00,360 --> 01:12:04,160
Speaker 1: for him was Allen Robinson. Um, he weighed a little less.

1461
01:12:04,160 --> 01:12:06,320
Speaker 1: He weighed one ninety on his pro day and I

1462
01:12:06,360 --> 01:12:08,360
Speaker 1: was like, but then he had thirty three arms, So

1463
01:12:08,400 --> 01:12:09,800
Speaker 1: I was like, okay, there we go. All right, there

1464
01:12:09,880 --> 01:12:11,960
Speaker 1: was the size that I was seeing. So really the

1465
01:12:11,960 --> 01:12:14,960
Speaker 1: comparison more is more like a Calvin Ridley type. Um,

1466
01:12:15,000 --> 01:12:16,320
Speaker 1: but you know that, but just gonna be like a

1467
01:12:16,320 --> 01:12:18,519
Speaker 1: little snapshot in your head of what his type of

1468
01:12:18,520 --> 01:12:21,640
Speaker 1: style is. He could play inside and out. Uh, Like

1469
01:12:21,680 --> 01:12:23,599
Speaker 1: I keep bringing up his route running because this it's

1470
01:12:23,640 --> 01:12:26,439
Speaker 1: really impressive to see um a guy doing that at

1471
01:12:26,439 --> 01:12:28,639
Speaker 1: a young age in college. And he's just a guy

1472
01:12:28,640 --> 01:12:31,519
Speaker 1: that does everything well or better. Everything is good or better.

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01:12:31,760 --> 01:12:34,840
Speaker 1: There's no like true true weaknesses, which is really cool

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01:12:34,880 --> 01:12:37,040
Speaker 1: to see a lot of his issues or like what

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01:12:37,080 --> 01:12:40,240
Speaker 1: people's concerns were with his speed. Um, And I was

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01:12:40,280 --> 01:12:42,559
Speaker 1: just laughing. I was like, he's from Georgia, the state

1477
01:12:42,560 --> 01:12:44,600
Speaker 1: of Georgia, and he was a late bloomer and then

1478
01:12:44,600 --> 01:12:46,599
Speaker 1: he went to Minnesota. And I keep making a joke.

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01:12:46,680 --> 01:12:48,559
Speaker 1: It's like just because he went above the Mason Dixon

1480
01:12:48,640 --> 01:12:51,559
Speaker 1: line doesn't mean he got slow. Like you know, he's

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01:12:51,840 --> 01:12:54,040
Speaker 1: he still has he's still fast, Like he timed to

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01:12:54,080 --> 01:12:55,439
Speaker 1: four three nine is pro day. He's more like a

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01:12:55,479 --> 01:12:57,320
Speaker 1: four or four eight four or five two type of guy.

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01:12:57,840 --> 01:13:00,160
Speaker 1: But it's it's not a weakness. It's just like he's

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01:13:00,160 --> 01:13:03,360
Speaker 1: not given to me. To the Patriots, then they can

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01:13:03,640 --> 01:13:05,800
Speaker 1: they can't get Fields. I mean my dream scenario is

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01:13:06,479 --> 01:13:09,880
Speaker 1: is definitely Fields falls and they like trade up to

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01:13:10,000 --> 01:13:12,599
Speaker 1: nine with Detroit or whatever Detroit or whatever the number

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01:13:12,720 --> 01:13:16,160
Speaker 1: and they go get justin fields. But backing that up, Um,

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01:13:16,200 --> 01:13:18,519
Speaker 1: you know, try try another receiver. Give it, give up

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01:13:18,520 --> 01:13:21,519
Speaker 1: on kill Harry. This is a deep receiver draft. Listen

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01:13:21,560 --> 01:13:24,280
Speaker 1: to Nate Nate Tyson. I mean you're saying he's up

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01:13:24,320 --> 01:13:26,360
Speaker 1: there with Jamar Jase. Some people think he might not

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01:13:26,400 --> 01:13:28,040
Speaker 1: even get drafted in the first round. So that is

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01:13:28,080 --> 01:13:31,120
Speaker 1: all take. This is much like um, when our friends

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01:13:31,120 --> 01:13:35,120
Speaker 1: spice Rack came on uh and went hard on was

1497
01:13:35,120 --> 01:13:38,960
Speaker 1: it Jonathan Williams? And really his reputation as a draft

1498
01:13:39,000 --> 01:13:41,439
Speaker 1: analyst was was going to be based on that player.

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01:13:41,560 --> 01:13:45,120
Speaker 1: So if right, if you want to be on the

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01:13:45,160 --> 01:13:47,439
Speaker 1: three timer club, Nate, I think it's going to really

1501
01:13:47,479 --> 01:13:49,840
Speaker 1: depend on You're gonna have to hit and it's gonna

1502
01:13:49,840 --> 01:13:52,680
Speaker 1: be one year later, like we have to wait. It's

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01:13:52,680 --> 01:13:55,360
Speaker 1: like we're proofing the puddy. No. I just honestly, I

1504
01:13:55,400 --> 01:13:57,080
Speaker 1: am a believer in this guy. I just think he

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01:13:57,360 --> 01:13:59,240
Speaker 1: the qualities you bring. But actually that's one of my

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01:13:59,280 --> 01:14:01,960
Speaker 1: favorite fits, is the Patriot fit, because especially with the

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01:14:01,960 --> 01:14:04,840
Speaker 1: guys they signed this offseason, his skill set is just

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01:14:04,880 --> 01:14:07,360
Speaker 1: like a perfect synergy for what they need to need

1509
01:14:07,400 --> 01:14:09,880
Speaker 1: because he can be like a true true X and

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01:14:09,880 --> 01:14:12,200
Speaker 1: then move around on other on like third down, just

1511
01:14:12,240 --> 01:14:14,760
Speaker 1: like Davante Adams does comes into slot on third down,

1512
01:14:15,200 --> 01:14:17,040
Speaker 1: Like he can do that stuff, and I think he

1513
01:14:17,080 --> 01:14:18,880
Speaker 1: can do it early on. So that's why I'm just

1514
01:14:18,920 --> 01:14:20,840
Speaker 1: so high on him, as you guys can tell. But

1515
01:14:20,920 --> 01:14:23,800
Speaker 1: it's good. I can't wait to glad I stuck my

1516
01:14:23,840 --> 01:14:27,800
Speaker 1: flag and somebody already and no reputations staked on that.

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01:14:27,800 --> 01:14:31,439
Speaker 1: That's great. I have a weird one for you, like, like, so,

1518
01:14:31,680 --> 01:14:34,439
Speaker 1: one thing that I've heard little whispers of, like over

1519
01:14:34,479 --> 01:14:37,519
Speaker 1: the years is that you know, society is changing. Um,

1520
01:14:38,160 --> 01:14:39,880
Speaker 1: you know a lot of a lot of guys just

1521
01:14:39,880 --> 01:14:41,760
Speaker 1: start as tough as they used to be. We don't

1522
01:14:41,800 --> 01:14:44,720
Speaker 1: have as many like farm boys and stuff. Do you

1523
01:14:44,800 --> 01:14:49,280
Speaker 1: worry about the future of, for instance, this offensive lineman

1524
01:14:49,320 --> 01:14:52,880
Speaker 1: in general where that position comes from, Like, is there

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01:14:52,920 --> 01:14:56,240
Speaker 1: at some point, um a scarcity of people willing to

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01:14:56,320 --> 01:14:59,040
Speaker 1: do that as their career and really even just have

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01:14:59,160 --> 01:15:01,160
Speaker 1: sort of the physic old body for it, or is

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01:15:01,200 --> 01:15:04,720
Speaker 1: that just hogwash? A little bit of hogwash. I think

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01:15:04,760 --> 01:15:07,800
Speaker 1: as long as somebody is good, it's gonna especially when

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01:15:07,800 --> 01:15:10,960
Speaker 1: tackles start getting paid a lot um. Actually it's kind

1531
01:15:10,960 --> 01:15:12,920
Speaker 1: of interesting. If you asked me that five years ago,

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01:15:12,960 --> 01:15:15,360
Speaker 1: maybe five six years ago, I actually been like, yeah,

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01:15:15,439 --> 01:15:17,519
Speaker 1: I could see the concerns and these last couple of

1534
01:15:17,600 --> 01:15:20,400
Speaker 1: draft classes and who's entering the league, especially last year's

1535
01:15:20,439 --> 01:15:24,679
Speaker 1: tackle draft. Um, you can see like an influx of talent.

1536
01:15:24,880 --> 01:15:29,080
Speaker 1: More athletic guys are playing offensive line. It's very interesting.

1537
01:15:29,160 --> 01:15:31,120
Speaker 1: More guys that I think would have been pegged as

1538
01:15:31,200 --> 01:15:34,000
Speaker 1: defensive lineman guys are like, hey, we can make this work.

1539
01:15:34,080 --> 01:15:35,800
Speaker 1: You don't have to be three thirty. Now you can

1540
01:15:35,840 --> 01:15:38,120
Speaker 1: be three oh five and just be more athletic. The

1541
01:15:38,240 --> 01:15:40,519
Speaker 1: weasi just becoming more and more in an athletic league.

1542
01:15:40,560 --> 01:15:42,559
Speaker 1: I mean it always is, but just more. I mean,

1543
01:15:42,600 --> 01:15:44,760
Speaker 1: look at linebackers like that's the number one position to

1544
01:15:44,800 --> 01:15:47,080
Speaker 1: look at it, look at it like, but I think

1545
01:15:47,640 --> 01:15:49,920
Speaker 1: I think more athletic guys are playing the old line.

1546
01:15:50,040 --> 01:15:53,679
Speaker 1: And also in college, they college coaches got so excited

1547
01:15:53,680 --> 01:15:55,680
Speaker 1: about running as many ball plays as possible, running a

1548
01:15:56,040 --> 01:15:58,120
Speaker 1: twenty plays, especially in the Pact twelve, in the Big twelve,

1549
01:15:58,280 --> 01:15:59,960
Speaker 1: and then now they've kind of realized and found that

1550
01:16:00,080 --> 01:16:02,720
Speaker 1: sweet spot of eighty to ninety plays because when they

1551
01:16:02,720 --> 01:16:05,360
Speaker 1: were running a hundred and plays. They weren't teaching the

1552
01:16:05,360 --> 01:16:07,960
Speaker 1: old ligned like don't finish, just come back, get the

1553
01:16:08,000 --> 01:16:09,880
Speaker 1: next play, Get the next play. That's I mean, it's

1554
01:16:09,880 --> 01:16:11,559
Speaker 1: swear to god. That was their coaching point. It wasn't

1555
01:16:11,600 --> 01:16:13,599
Speaker 1: like finishing, grind him to the ground and like, you know,

1556
01:16:13,640 --> 01:16:14,880
Speaker 1: like get back in the huddle. You know, like it

1557
01:16:14,960 --> 01:16:16,479
Speaker 1: was more like go go go, go, go go go.

1558
01:16:16,520 --> 01:16:18,200
Speaker 1: It was just trying to run a fast break offense.

1559
01:16:18,360 --> 01:16:21,479
Speaker 1: So no coaching was happening. And I think now it's like, okay,

1560
01:16:21,520 --> 01:16:23,680
Speaker 1: it's come back a little bits, swinging back just a

1561
01:16:23,720 --> 01:16:26,280
Speaker 1: little bit where these guys actually have to play football

1562
01:16:26,479 --> 01:16:29,400
Speaker 1: and and honestly, and the other position shot kind of changes.

1563
01:16:29,720 --> 01:16:32,599
Speaker 1: These top corners are getting bigger and bigger. You should

1564
01:16:32,640 --> 01:16:35,040
Speaker 1: see these top two guys this year. And I think

1565
01:16:35,040 --> 01:16:37,840
Speaker 1: it's because these guys since middle school. The NFL has

1566
01:16:37,840 --> 01:16:40,439
Speaker 1: been a passing league since these guys were in middle school,

1567
01:16:40,479 --> 01:16:42,800
Speaker 1: so these guys would have been receivers. But now there's

1568
01:16:42,840 --> 01:16:44,880
Speaker 1: six one. They go, no, play corner. You're gonna get

1569
01:16:44,880 --> 01:16:47,599
Speaker 1: paid if you play corner. These guys are getting smarter

1570
01:16:47,640 --> 01:16:50,240
Speaker 1: about that. And just like when all their trainers and

1571
01:16:50,280 --> 01:16:52,679
Speaker 1: all their their family and friends around them. They're guiding

1572
01:16:52,760 --> 01:16:58,840
Speaker 1: them to different positions. You tried to bury the millennials. Um, surprising,

1573
01:16:58,920 --> 01:17:02,679
Speaker 1: moved by Mark, but at work, and thank you Nate

1574
01:17:02,680 --> 01:17:06,640
Speaker 1: for sticking up for them. Yes, Greg, defender of millennials.

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01:17:07,800 --> 01:17:09,800
Speaker 1: That's why you had me on the show. Is a

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01:17:10,000 --> 01:17:13,479
Speaker 1: cool millennial Jackety, it fits, it fits, Nate. Uh, we

1577
01:17:13,520 --> 01:17:16,759
Speaker 1: feel smarter after having you on the show today, and

1578
01:17:16,760 --> 01:17:19,759
Speaker 1: and thank you again, and we're all we're Sean Bateman

1579
01:17:19,880 --> 01:17:23,519
Speaker 1: and it's all going back to Bateman. Ra Sean Bateman.

1580
01:17:23,760 --> 01:17:25,840
Speaker 1: This is what it's gonna come down to here. Uh

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01:17:26,040 --> 01:17:31,240
Speaker 1: and Fields Fields being closer to Lawrence than to Listen

1582
01:17:31,680 --> 01:17:35,680
Speaker 1: and Lance. So definitely some justin Fields that that good.

1583
01:17:35,760 --> 01:17:38,560
Speaker 1: That could save you if Bateman doesn't work out. You

1584
01:17:38,600 --> 01:17:41,120
Speaker 1: just gotta hit on one of them. Just want al right,

1585
01:17:41,800 --> 01:17:45,479
Speaker 1: my two favorite players now check out Nate Tye at

1586
01:17:45,560 --> 01:17:48,759
Speaker 1: Nate underscore Tys on Twitter and follow all this stuff.

1587
01:17:48,800 --> 01:17:52,320
Speaker 1: Obviously a man who was plugged in and understands the game. Nate,

1588
01:17:52,360 --> 01:17:54,559
Speaker 1: thank you for joining us and we'll talk to you later.

1589
01:17:54,800 --> 01:17:59,080
Speaker 1: Thanks Na, thank you all right there he goes. Good

1590
01:17:59,120 --> 01:18:02,439
Speaker 1: to have Nate. Um um, good show. A lot of

1591
01:18:02,479 --> 01:18:05,680
Speaker 1: stuff there, so again Uh, Zach Keiffer at The Athletic.

1592
01:18:05,960 --> 01:18:07,880
Speaker 1: If you haven't seen the story, go read it on

1593
01:18:08,000 --> 01:18:11,960
Speaker 1: Chris Westling. Very happy how that turned out. And um

1594
01:18:12,560 --> 01:18:16,320
Speaker 1: and we'll be back on the network side Friday with

1595
01:18:16,760 --> 01:18:19,679
Speaker 1: of course the Around the NFL broadcast. Please check that out,

1596
01:18:20,160 --> 01:18:23,360
Speaker 1: and then back on Monday with another week of podcast

1597
01:18:23,400 --> 01:18:25,840
Speaker 1: as we get closer to the draft. So thank you

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01:18:26,120 --> 01:18:27,880
Speaker 1: anything you wanted to add there, you're a little hum there.

1599
01:18:28,600 --> 01:18:31,639
Speaker 1: Shout out to Stephen Cohen, the editor at The Athletic

1600
01:18:31,640 --> 01:18:34,320
Speaker 1: who as a listener and I know UM had had

1601
01:18:34,320 --> 01:18:36,720
Speaker 1: exchange messages with west over the years two and it

1602
01:18:36,800 --> 01:18:40,080
Speaker 1: was a big part of that. He's a good man,

1603
01:18:40,200 --> 01:18:42,479
Speaker 1: good dude, and I know he played a role in

1604
01:18:42,080 --> 01:18:44,240
Speaker 1: the article seeing the Light of Day as well, So

1605
01:18:44,280 --> 01:18:46,599
Speaker 1: thank you to Stephen. All right, good stuff this Dan

1606
01:18:46,680 --> 01:18:48,880
Speaker 1: Hads signing off four Flights Star on the Old Boss

1607
01:18:49,200 --> 01:18:54,320
Speaker 1: and Rickey Hollywood behind the Virtual Glass until Monday. He's

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Speaker 1: a call S S S S