1 00:00:01,840 --> 00:00:04,439 Speaker 1: I went to a firehouse I had never been to before, 2 00:00:04,800 --> 00:00:07,680 Speaker 1: and I went in and I met a firefighter, John Sorrentino, 3 00:00:07,760 --> 00:00:09,640 Speaker 1: and I said, what do you need? And he goes, 4 00:00:09,720 --> 00:00:12,160 Speaker 1: you have paper, and I had a legal pad, which 5 00:00:12,200 --> 00:00:15,120 Speaker 1: I still have, and he said, the first thing we 6 00:00:15,160 --> 00:00:19,160 Speaker 1: need is bunting for the firehouse. Bunting is the dark 7 00:00:19,200 --> 00:00:22,040 Speaker 1: purple and black flag that they drape outside a house 8 00:00:22,040 --> 00:00:24,319 Speaker 1: to say we've had a loss in the house. And 9 00:00:24,360 --> 00:00:27,040 Speaker 1: they had a set of three for bunting for the 10 00:00:27,160 --> 00:00:30,400 Speaker 1: entire firehouse, Frior department rather and they lost three hundred 11 00:00:30,400 --> 00:00:32,680 Speaker 1: and forty three men, so you can imagine that, you know, 12 00:00:32,720 --> 00:00:35,879 Speaker 1: they needed bunting. So the second thing he said is 13 00:00:36,120 --> 00:00:38,600 Speaker 1: and this was like the day after, I mean it 14 00:00:38,640 --> 00:00:41,480 Speaker 1: was like right away, and so he blew my mind. 15 00:00:41,520 --> 00:00:45,600 Speaker 1: The second thing he said he needed was a bugler 16 00:00:45,960 --> 00:00:48,320 Speaker 1: because one of the guys they lost eight men, and 17 00:00:48,320 --> 00:00:50,800 Speaker 1: he knew that they were gone, said one of them 18 00:00:50,880 --> 00:00:53,080 Speaker 1: is military. We need a bugler at the funerals, and 19 00:00:53,120 --> 00:00:55,560 Speaker 1: you know if we ever recovered them. The last thing 20 00:00:55,560 --> 00:00:57,480 Speaker 1: he said was counselors. And you could have knocked me 21 00:00:57,520 --> 00:00:58,320 Speaker 1: over with a feather. 22 00:00:58,720 --> 00:00:59,640 Speaker 2: So did you go to work. 23 00:01:00,000 --> 00:01:00,120 Speaker 1: Oh? 24 00:01:00,200 --> 00:01:08,280 Speaker 2: Yes, welcome to an army of normal votes. I'm Bill Courtney. 25 00:01:08,520 --> 00:01:11,440 Speaker 2: I'm a normal guy. I'm a husband, I'm a father, 26 00:01:11,720 --> 00:01:15,560 Speaker 2: I'm an entrepreneur, and I've been an inner city football 27 00:01:15,600 --> 00:01:19,440 Speaker 2: coach in Memphis. And the last part, well, it led 28 00:01:19,520 --> 00:01:23,320 Speaker 2: somehow to a film about our team that won the Oscar. 29 00:01:23,720 --> 00:01:27,520 Speaker 2: That movie is called Undefeated. I believe our country's problems 30 00:01:27,560 --> 00:01:29,959 Speaker 2: are never going to be solved by a bunch of 31 00:01:30,000 --> 00:01:33,880 Speaker 2: fancy people and nice suits using big words that nobody 32 00:01:33,959 --> 00:01:38,000 Speaker 2: understands on CNN and Fox, but rather by an army 33 00:01:38,120 --> 00:01:41,800 Speaker 2: of normal folks. That's us, just you and me deciding Hey, 34 00:01:41,800 --> 00:01:45,800 Speaker 2: you know what, maybe I can help. That's what Nancy Carbone, 35 00:01:45,840 --> 00:01:49,440 Speaker 2: the voice you just heard, has done. After Black snow 36 00:01:50,360 --> 00:01:53,520 Speaker 2: rained it down on her on nine to eleven, Nancy 37 00:01:53,600 --> 00:01:56,920 Speaker 2: knocked on the door of a local firehouse to simply say, Hey, 38 00:01:57,440 --> 00:02:00,840 Speaker 2: how can I help? And when several firef told her 39 00:02:00,840 --> 00:02:05,480 Speaker 2: that they'd need counseling, this non therapist and normal mom, 40 00:02:06,160 --> 00:02:09,840 Speaker 2: well she got to work. Twenty four years later, Friends 41 00:02:10,000 --> 00:02:14,639 Speaker 2: of Firefighters has provided over one thousand firefighters and their 42 00:02:14,680 --> 00:02:21,000 Speaker 2: families with mental health and wellness services at no cost. 43 00:02:21,240 --> 00:02:23,600 Speaker 2: And I can't wait for you to meet Nancy right 44 00:02:23,639 --> 00:02:46,520 Speaker 2: after these brief messages from our general sponsors. Nancy Carbone, 45 00:02:47,520 --> 00:02:52,400 Speaker 2: welcome to mephis thank you. Flewent from desclined from LaGuardia. 46 00:02:52,520 --> 00:02:57,880 Speaker 1: Yes, I did Delta, Yes, NonStop and come on, it 47 00:02:57,919 --> 00:02:58,920 Speaker 1: has to be NonStop. 48 00:02:59,040 --> 00:03:01,799 Speaker 2: Well short, we don't get it. We used to have 49 00:03:01,880 --> 00:03:04,200 Speaker 2: a hub here. We were in Northwest Hub and we 50 00:03:04,240 --> 00:03:07,160 Speaker 2: had non stops everywhere, and then when Delta bault Northwest, 51 00:03:07,200 --> 00:03:09,760 Speaker 2: they yanked out probably eighty percent of our non stops 52 00:03:09,840 --> 00:03:15,440 Speaker 2: and so I suffer with connections. New Yorkers don't suffer. 53 00:03:15,120 --> 00:03:17,200 Speaker 1: With I'm sorry to hear that you do, but I 54 00:03:17,200 --> 00:03:21,639 Speaker 1: did not. I watched part one of one of your podcasts, 55 00:03:21,680 --> 00:03:24,560 Speaker 1: and before we got to part two, it was time 56 00:03:24,600 --> 00:03:28,040 Speaker 1: to put our electronic equipment away. So it was great, awesome. 57 00:03:28,080 --> 00:03:33,280 Speaker 1: So clearly you're from New York everybody. Nancy Carbone is 58 00:03:33,320 --> 00:03:37,960 Speaker 1: the founder and executive director of Friends for Firefighters, which 59 00:03:38,000 --> 00:03:39,040 Speaker 1: has nine eleven UKs. 60 00:03:40,000 --> 00:03:41,320 Speaker 2: What's that? Yeah? 61 00:03:41,520 --> 00:03:43,600 Speaker 1: What friends of UB? 62 00:03:43,680 --> 00:03:45,520 Speaker 2: Did I write it wrong? No? I think I said 63 00:03:45,560 --> 00:03:47,920 Speaker 2: it wrong. Friends of Firefighters? 64 00:03:48,000 --> 00:03:48,400 Speaker 1: Right? 65 00:03:48,880 --> 00:03:49,320 Speaker 2: Is that right? 66 00:03:50,040 --> 00:03:50,120 Speaker 1: Right? 67 00:03:50,480 --> 00:03:53,640 Speaker 2: Friends? For see what I tell you, pliat, you couldn't 68 00:03:53,680 --> 00:03:55,400 Speaker 2: have corrected me. We have to have a producer. 69 00:03:55,720 --> 00:03:58,280 Speaker 1: I'm not going to because so stupid. 70 00:03:58,280 --> 00:03:59,440 Speaker 2: Correct me for sure. 71 00:03:59,360 --> 00:04:00,320 Speaker 1: I definitely will. 72 00:04:01,200 --> 00:04:02,800 Speaker 2: You just gave me the go out of New York woman. 73 00:04:03,040 --> 00:04:05,160 Speaker 2: You don't have any fear to correct it? A god. 74 00:04:05,280 --> 00:04:06,640 Speaker 1: I don't have fear, but I have manners. 75 00:04:06,920 --> 00:04:11,920 Speaker 2: Oh well that's good. Hi. So, founder and executive director 76 00:04:11,960 --> 00:04:15,200 Speaker 2: of Friends of Firefighters, A New York guy through and 77 00:04:15,240 --> 00:04:19,800 Speaker 2: through in terms of what I guess the last twenty 78 00:04:19,839 --> 00:04:21,719 Speaker 2: five years of her life have been so far. But 79 00:04:22,279 --> 00:04:23,800 Speaker 2: I am curious where you from? 80 00:04:23,920 --> 00:04:27,400 Speaker 1: How'd you grow up from New York? Born in Born 81 00:04:27,440 --> 00:04:29,560 Speaker 1: in Flushing, New York, and then we moved to the 82 00:04:29,640 --> 00:04:32,040 Speaker 1: Island when I was about two years old, so I'm 83 00:04:32,080 --> 00:04:33,599 Speaker 1: from Long Island originally. 84 00:04:33,640 --> 00:04:34,520 Speaker 2: What'd your parents did? 85 00:04:35,279 --> 00:04:37,800 Speaker 1: My dad was a custodial engineer and my mom was 86 00:04:37,880 --> 00:04:41,000 Speaker 1: chasing kids all day until I was about junior high school, 87 00:04:41,000 --> 00:04:42,919 Speaker 1: and then she became an EG technician. 88 00:04:43,320 --> 00:04:45,320 Speaker 2: How many of you are there? 89 00:04:45,760 --> 00:04:48,760 Speaker 1: I have six siblings, but my aunt and uncle were 90 00:04:48,839 --> 00:04:51,280 Speaker 1: raised with us as well. Your aunt uncle what were 91 00:04:51,360 --> 00:04:54,080 Speaker 1: raised with us as well? So they were in and 92 00:04:54,120 --> 00:04:54,960 Speaker 1: out nine cares? 93 00:04:55,000 --> 00:05:01,920 Speaker 2: Your mom dealt with nine holy smokes? How did your 94 00:05:02,000 --> 00:05:06,440 Speaker 2: dad make enough money to house clothe and feed that crew. 95 00:05:06,839 --> 00:05:10,240 Speaker 1: He worked several jobs. He worked really hard, he really did. 96 00:05:10,279 --> 00:05:12,880 Speaker 1: He worked hard and it was tight. It was tight, 97 00:05:13,080 --> 00:05:15,920 Speaker 1: and I think that that adds to our character. We're 98 00:05:15,960 --> 00:05:19,760 Speaker 1: pretty tough group. You know. We didn't get everything we wanted, 99 00:05:20,120 --> 00:05:21,240 Speaker 1: but we got what we needed. 100 00:05:22,200 --> 00:05:25,920 Speaker 2: So what's it like? I don't want to ask you 101 00:05:26,960 --> 00:05:32,360 Speaker 2: what's it like at that time of life growing up 102 00:05:33,400 --> 00:05:36,320 Speaker 2: in New York City. I mean that had to have 103 00:05:36,360 --> 00:05:40,360 Speaker 2: been interesting, exciting fun. Maybe you didn't know any different. 104 00:05:41,640 --> 00:05:44,040 Speaker 1: Hell no, it wasn't exciting. I was on Long Island. 105 00:05:44,080 --> 00:05:46,720 Speaker 1: Our house was built on a potato field. There was 106 00:05:46,720 --> 00:05:48,520 Speaker 1: no exciting. You know, it was exciting. I had a 107 00:05:48,560 --> 00:05:55,880 Speaker 1: stingray with a banana seat. That was exciting. That was exciting. Yes, yes, 108 00:05:56,279 --> 00:05:59,719 Speaker 1: I actually have one now. But back then we would play, 109 00:06:00,120 --> 00:06:02,360 Speaker 1: you know, and where they were building houses, we would 110 00:06:02,440 --> 00:06:04,840 Speaker 1: make what do you call it ramps and jump off 111 00:06:04,839 --> 00:06:07,159 Speaker 1: of those and that was exciting. But I left the 112 00:06:07,200 --> 00:06:09,320 Speaker 1: city when I was two. My parents took us out 113 00:06:09,360 --> 00:06:11,880 Speaker 1: to the island and it was we made our own fun. 114 00:06:12,120 --> 00:06:14,800 Speaker 1: Our house was the party house, and that that was 115 00:06:15,160 --> 00:06:17,479 Speaker 1: later on when I was a teenager. That was a 116 00:06:17,480 --> 00:06:18,000 Speaker 1: lot of fun. 117 00:06:18,120 --> 00:06:20,200 Speaker 2: Well did you I mean, did you get to venture 118 00:06:20,279 --> 00:06:21,480 Speaker 2: end of the city as a kid? 119 00:06:21,920 --> 00:06:24,800 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, as a teenager, not as a younger child, 120 00:06:25,000 --> 00:06:27,760 Speaker 1: I say, yeah, teenager. Well, I mean I remember going 121 00:06:27,760 --> 00:06:30,240 Speaker 1: to the Statue of Liberty when I was like seven, 122 00:06:31,440 --> 00:06:33,480 Speaker 1: and I've lived in the city for over forty years 123 00:06:33,480 --> 00:06:37,280 Speaker 1: and I've not gone back, so you know, I will. 124 00:06:37,560 --> 00:06:40,120 Speaker 1: I've brought people. Yeah, I checked the box a long 125 00:06:40,160 --> 00:06:40,600 Speaker 1: time ago. 126 00:06:40,800 --> 00:06:45,080 Speaker 2: So like as an eighteen, nineteen twenty year old coming up, Yeah, 127 00:06:45,120 --> 00:06:48,040 Speaker 2: you had the city, Yes, we had this to go sets. 128 00:06:48,600 --> 00:06:51,479 Speaker 1: Yeah, but I also sewed my oats in Plattsburgh, which 129 00:06:51,520 --> 00:06:53,159 Speaker 1: is close to the Canadian border. 130 00:06:53,680 --> 00:06:54,480 Speaker 2: So my sister. 131 00:06:55,240 --> 00:06:57,839 Speaker 1: It's a college that my sisters and brother went to 132 00:06:58,160 --> 00:07:00,840 Speaker 1: and it was a great party town. So I went there. 133 00:07:01,400 --> 00:07:03,279 Speaker 1: I was in a band, and I was in a 134 00:07:03,320 --> 00:07:06,520 Speaker 1: band there, and so we would play in the neighboring 135 00:07:06,560 --> 00:07:07,880 Speaker 1: areas and it was a lot of fun. 136 00:07:08,080 --> 00:07:11,760 Speaker 2: What did did we vocals or Yeah, you were in 137 00:07:11,800 --> 00:07:16,040 Speaker 2: a band, yes, sir, hanging around in New York in college. Yeah, 138 00:07:16,080 --> 00:07:17,080 Speaker 2: what years were these? 139 00:07:18,040 --> 00:07:21,040 Speaker 1: Oh really, we're going there? Seventy Well I started singing 140 00:07:21,080 --> 00:07:24,440 Speaker 1: when I was about thirteen, so that would be seventy 141 00:07:24,440 --> 00:07:27,200 Speaker 1: two three. Yeah, yeah, you heard that. 142 00:07:27,160 --> 00:07:29,560 Speaker 2: Guys, and then through the early eighties. 143 00:07:30,280 --> 00:07:32,640 Speaker 1: I had my first in eighty two. I had my 144 00:07:32,680 --> 00:07:35,720 Speaker 1: second child in eighty six, and I stopped for a while, 145 00:07:35,760 --> 00:07:38,760 Speaker 1: and then in ninety two I started in another band. 146 00:07:39,160 --> 00:07:40,520 Speaker 1: But I haven't done it in a while. Now I 147 00:07:40,600 --> 00:07:41,480 Speaker 1: just do it here and there. 148 00:07:41,680 --> 00:07:42,720 Speaker 2: That is so cool. 149 00:07:42,880 --> 00:07:45,240 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, not a lot of people know that. I 150 00:07:45,240 --> 00:07:47,720 Speaker 1: don't even think. I don't think any of the firefighters 151 00:07:47,760 --> 00:07:50,480 Speaker 1: know that. Well, they will now I guess they will. Yeah, 152 00:07:50,640 --> 00:07:50,960 Speaker 1: they might. 153 00:07:51,080 --> 00:07:53,160 Speaker 2: And now they're going to make you sing what kind. 154 00:07:53,000 --> 00:07:54,800 Speaker 1: Of No, it was going to make me sing? Just 155 00:07:55,240 --> 00:07:57,200 Speaker 1: put a mic in front of me, and I'm comfortable. 156 00:07:57,640 --> 00:08:00,760 Speaker 1: I loved doing blues and swing and things like that. 157 00:08:01,240 --> 00:08:03,760 Speaker 2: You're in the cradle of it. I know. Roads is 158 00:08:03,760 --> 00:08:05,240 Speaker 2: only an hour south here. 159 00:08:05,320 --> 00:08:07,280 Speaker 1: You know, I'm not going to the crossroads. So my 160 00:08:07,320 --> 00:08:09,440 Speaker 1: life is up enough. I am not going to the 161 00:08:09,480 --> 00:08:13,840 Speaker 1: cross roads. Yeah. But the fact that you know what 162 00:08:13,960 --> 00:08:17,320 Speaker 1: the cross from, no, sir, No, sir, no, that is 163 00:08:17,440 --> 00:08:19,760 Speaker 1: I'm not making any deals with anybody for anything. 164 00:08:20,000 --> 00:08:23,600 Speaker 2: That is so cool. So you had kids, so I 165 00:08:23,720 --> 00:08:26,600 Speaker 2: assume you had a husband somewhere. 166 00:08:26,600 --> 00:08:28,960 Speaker 1: Fifty two years. Yeah, I've been with my husband for 167 00:08:29,240 --> 00:08:31,800 Speaker 1: what it was been married forty five years. Kai k 168 00:08:32,040 --> 00:08:35,800 Speaker 1: y E k usual name Kye. 169 00:08:36,120 --> 00:08:40,560 Speaker 2: Okay, so that is really a cool background story. But 170 00:08:40,679 --> 00:08:43,760 Speaker 2: I mean, you grew up with a whole bunch of kids. 171 00:08:44,000 --> 00:08:46,640 Speaker 2: Your parents did what they could to raise you. You 172 00:08:46,679 --> 00:08:48,880 Speaker 2: had fun in college? What did you get a degree? 173 00:08:49,000 --> 00:08:49,400 Speaker 1: I did not? 174 00:08:49,640 --> 00:08:52,079 Speaker 2: Okay, So you had a lot of fun in college. 175 00:08:52,600 --> 00:08:54,280 Speaker 1: Well, you know what it was. It was all about 176 00:08:54,280 --> 00:08:56,600 Speaker 1: the music for me, and it wasn't about you know, 177 00:08:56,840 --> 00:08:59,000 Speaker 1: I went on later on, but it was at that 178 00:08:59,160 --> 00:09:01,679 Speaker 1: time it would have been a waste of money and 179 00:09:01,760 --> 00:09:03,640 Speaker 1: time for me to sit in a classroom when I 180 00:09:03,679 --> 00:09:05,800 Speaker 1: came in at five am from a gig. It just 181 00:09:05,880 --> 00:09:08,840 Speaker 1: wasn't going to It wasn't happening, and I was not 182 00:09:09,480 --> 00:09:11,360 Speaker 1: I didn't know how to apply myself at that time. 183 00:09:11,559 --> 00:09:15,080 Speaker 2: Fair enough, you know, so whatever. But that's the point 184 00:09:15,160 --> 00:09:21,280 Speaker 2: is you grew up in New York one of. 185 00:09:21,240 --> 00:09:25,360 Speaker 3: About eighty it sounds like it, around, and got married, 186 00:09:25,440 --> 00:09:30,760 Speaker 3: started having kids, and you have this normal really at 187 00:09:30,760 --> 00:09:34,720 Speaker 3: that point, unremarkable normal average life. 188 00:09:36,080 --> 00:09:36,600 Speaker 1: Okay. 189 00:09:37,360 --> 00:09:41,760 Speaker 2: Well the point is, yes, what you're doing now. 190 00:09:41,880 --> 00:09:42,480 Speaker 1: Is that abnormal? 191 00:09:43,440 --> 00:09:43,680 Speaker 2: Yeah? 192 00:09:43,840 --> 00:09:48,080 Speaker 1: Okay and remarkable. It's not that different from growing my 193 00:09:48,200 --> 00:09:51,200 Speaker 1: kitchen table growing up, you had to be quick, you know. 194 00:09:51,280 --> 00:09:55,200 Speaker 1: It was a chaos, right, And my mom's Irish funny 195 00:09:55,200 --> 00:09:57,720 Speaker 1: as hell, and so humor is currency in a house 196 00:09:57,800 --> 00:10:01,840 Speaker 1: like that. So that's a house too. The humor is currency. 197 00:10:01,880 --> 00:10:05,920 Speaker 1: If you're funny, you know, you can kind of skirt around. Also, 198 00:10:06,040 --> 00:10:10,480 Speaker 1: chaos is comfortable for me, So when bad things happen, 199 00:10:10,640 --> 00:10:14,079 Speaker 1: you know, I don't shrink from that. But keep in mind, 200 00:10:14,120 --> 00:10:15,359 Speaker 1: I'm not a first responder. 201 00:10:15,960 --> 00:10:19,720 Speaker 2: And I've met some of those barrel chested Irish firemen 202 00:10:19,920 --> 00:10:24,800 Speaker 2: and they are absolutely hilarious. They're simply constantly breaking each 203 00:10:24,800 --> 00:10:25,400 Speaker 2: other's balls. 204 00:10:25,600 --> 00:10:26,520 Speaker 1: I love it. 205 00:10:26,040 --> 00:10:27,360 Speaker 2: It's the greatest. 206 00:10:27,440 --> 00:10:28,080 Speaker 1: It's the greatest. 207 00:10:28,120 --> 00:10:30,160 Speaker 2: It's the greatest set for a movie. 208 00:10:31,200 --> 00:10:33,640 Speaker 1: Yeah, but you don't want the kitchen stuff getting out there. 209 00:10:34,280 --> 00:10:39,800 Speaker 2: I get it, all right, we're jumping at so normal person, 210 00:10:40,160 --> 00:10:44,559 Speaker 2: have any relatively normal life. Your mom, you're married, you're 211 00:10:44,640 --> 00:10:48,560 Speaker 2: leading your life. Yes, you're not out there doing anything 212 00:10:48,600 --> 00:10:51,680 Speaker 2: remarkable for society. You're taking care of yourself, your children 213 00:10:51,679 --> 00:10:58,040 Speaker 2: and your life. A normal person. Yep, Nancy. One of 214 00:10:58,080 --> 00:11:01,679 Speaker 2: the things we say all the time on our show 215 00:11:02,040 --> 00:11:06,880 Speaker 2: is that the magic happens, the amazing things in our 216 00:11:06,920 --> 00:11:12,640 Speaker 2: culture happens when one's passion and abilities intersect with opportunity. 217 00:11:14,880 --> 00:11:20,800 Speaker 2: And what I'm saying is that intersection had not that 218 00:11:20,840 --> 00:11:25,079 Speaker 2: collision had not happened yet, but it was about to 219 00:11:25,720 --> 00:11:30,680 Speaker 2: and up until the point that that opportunity happened. You're 220 00:11:30,679 --> 00:11:34,480 Speaker 2: doing life like all of us, But your story is 221 00:11:34,520 --> 00:11:37,199 Speaker 2: also an inspiration to say to all of us who 222 00:11:37,320 --> 00:11:40,480 Speaker 2: kind of say we're just leading our normal lives, there's 223 00:11:40,520 --> 00:11:46,640 Speaker 2: opportunity always always. So as I understand it, you and 224 00:11:46,720 --> 00:11:51,160 Speaker 2: your husband were at home and the windows rattled, and 225 00:11:51,200 --> 00:11:53,400 Speaker 2: you thought something broke upstairs or something. 226 00:11:53,880 --> 00:11:56,079 Speaker 1: I thought something dropped from a plane on our roof. 227 00:11:56,960 --> 00:11:59,720 Speaker 1: Really it was right Where did you live in Brooklyn? 228 00:12:00,000 --> 00:12:00,680 Speaker 1: Across the water? 229 00:12:01,360 --> 00:12:04,080 Speaker 2: You and your husband? What were you doing for a living. 230 00:12:04,480 --> 00:12:07,080 Speaker 1: At the time. I was actually I had an interview 231 00:12:07,120 --> 00:12:09,560 Speaker 1: that day for a job. I had been out of 232 00:12:09,600 --> 00:12:12,120 Speaker 1: work for a little bit due to an injury, so 233 00:12:12,160 --> 00:12:14,800 Speaker 1: I was really raring to go back to work. And 234 00:12:15,120 --> 00:12:17,560 Speaker 1: I had an interview in Manhattan, which needless to say, 235 00:12:17,559 --> 00:12:19,840 Speaker 1: I never went to. And what does your husband do 236 00:12:19,880 --> 00:12:23,360 Speaker 1: for He is an art professor and a painter. 237 00:12:24,880 --> 00:12:26,920 Speaker 2: Okay, they just got even cooler. 238 00:12:26,960 --> 00:12:31,080 Speaker 1: And a guitar player, of course would and a chef. 239 00:12:31,679 --> 00:12:37,200 Speaker 2: Well, okay, and you know, yeah right, does he have 240 00:12:37,240 --> 00:12:38,760 Speaker 2: a Renaissance tatto? 241 00:12:38,880 --> 00:12:41,640 Speaker 1: Yeah, pretty much, pretty much. He actually does have the 242 00:12:41,720 --> 00:12:43,480 Speaker 1: Vitruvian man on his arm. 243 00:12:43,880 --> 00:12:47,880 Speaker 2: Yeahee, I just know that. Okay. So he's an art 244 00:12:47,880 --> 00:12:52,600 Speaker 2: professor and artist. Y'all are sitting there and you think 245 00:12:52,640 --> 00:12:55,920 Speaker 2: something fell on top of your house. Really your house 246 00:12:56,120 --> 00:12:56,880 Speaker 2: rattled that hole? 247 00:12:56,920 --> 00:13:01,559 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah, it was a brown stone brownstone. 248 00:13:01,640 --> 00:13:01,960 Speaker 2: Yeah. 249 00:13:02,240 --> 00:13:06,040 Speaker 1: So it's across the water from the Trade Center. And 250 00:13:06,400 --> 00:13:09,760 Speaker 1: that was the reverberation, and I called to my husband. Now, 251 00:13:09,760 --> 00:13:11,720 Speaker 1: I had gotten in late the night before because I 252 00:13:11,800 --> 00:13:15,120 Speaker 1: had gone I brought my son back to school in Vermont. 253 00:13:15,440 --> 00:13:18,439 Speaker 1: And an interesting thing I think it's interesting was the 254 00:13:18,559 --> 00:13:20,360 Speaker 1: let the night before was a light rain and I 255 00:13:20,440 --> 00:13:23,920 Speaker 1: was coming down the West Side Highway and I stopped 256 00:13:23,920 --> 00:13:25,839 Speaker 1: at a light right in front of the Trade Center, 257 00:13:25,880 --> 00:13:29,439 Speaker 1: and I remember looking up and Leon Russell's song Manhattan, 258 00:13:30,720 --> 00:13:35,040 Speaker 1: I can't remember the second part of it, Manhattan Serenade 259 00:13:35,320 --> 00:13:37,880 Speaker 1: came on and I was looking up and I remember 260 00:13:37,920 --> 00:13:40,679 Speaker 1: looking away up and just thinking I hadn't been up 261 00:13:40,720 --> 00:13:43,480 Speaker 1: there since the seventies. And then the light changed and 262 00:13:43,520 --> 00:13:47,280 Speaker 1: I went on. I went to sleep and what woke 263 00:13:47,360 --> 00:13:56,559 Speaker 1: me up was that that big the boom. 264 00:13:56,600 --> 00:13:59,640 Speaker 2: And now a few messages from our general sponsors. But first, 265 00:14:00,080 --> 00:14:05,240 Speaker 2: don't go away. I'm excited to announce our next live interview, 266 00:14:05,480 --> 00:14:11,080 Speaker 2: and this time it's in God's Country, Camelot, Oxford, Mississippi, 267 00:14:11,880 --> 00:14:15,680 Speaker 2: on August twenty eighth, I'll be interviewing Sparky Reardon, who 268 00:14:15,800 --> 00:14:19,240 Speaker 2: is Old missus former Dean of students and was the 269 00:14:19,280 --> 00:14:21,160 Speaker 2: dean of students that all miss when I was there, 270 00:14:21,240 --> 00:14:25,800 Speaker 2: and he's consequently one of my mentors. I genuinely love 271 00:14:25,880 --> 00:14:30,320 Speaker 2: the guy. 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And then I 285 00:15:20,360 --> 00:15:22,680 Speaker 2: won't talk anymore and just open the mic, because for 286 00:15:22,720 --> 00:15:25,840 Speaker 2: an hour and a half you will be inspired, you 287 00:15:25,880 --> 00:15:29,160 Speaker 2: will be entertained, you will laugh, and you will learn. 288 00:15:30,080 --> 00:15:45,840 Speaker 2: I hope you'll join us. We'll be right back. It 289 00:15:45,960 --> 00:15:47,480 Speaker 2: was a it was a boom, but I think I 290 00:15:47,560 --> 00:15:49,280 Speaker 2: read your windows rattled. 291 00:15:49,560 --> 00:15:52,320 Speaker 1: They shook, well there were windows anyway, but yeah, they did. 292 00:15:52,840 --> 00:15:53,240 Speaker 1: They did. 293 00:15:53,920 --> 00:15:55,560 Speaker 2: They did what. 294 00:15:55,600 --> 00:15:57,880 Speaker 1: I called my husband and I said, this is bizarre. 295 00:15:57,960 --> 00:16:00,200 Speaker 1: I said, check the roof. I think something fell out 296 00:16:00,200 --> 00:16:02,840 Speaker 1: of a plane. And he went up on the roof. 297 00:16:02,920 --> 00:16:05,640 Speaker 1: No fence, all of you guys, but you don't send 298 00:16:05,720 --> 00:16:07,840 Speaker 1: mental goal look at something. They opened the refrigerator. They 299 00:16:07,880 --> 00:16:10,120 Speaker 1: can't find anything that was right there. He went up. 300 00:16:10,160 --> 00:16:12,080 Speaker 1: I think he opened the door and goes, no, nothing here, 301 00:16:12,200 --> 00:16:14,360 Speaker 1: and that was the patio. The roof was up another 302 00:16:14,440 --> 00:16:16,640 Speaker 1: you know, you had to go up the but even 303 00:16:16,680 --> 00:16:19,080 Speaker 1: still so I got up because I knew he probably 304 00:16:19,080 --> 00:16:22,120 Speaker 1: didn't look. You know, it just was too loud to 305 00:16:22,160 --> 00:16:24,440 Speaker 1: not have hit our house, and when I went up 306 00:16:24,480 --> 00:16:27,040 Speaker 1: to the next level, you know, I didn't see anything. 307 00:16:27,480 --> 00:16:30,280 Speaker 1: But then my sister in law called from Florida saying 308 00:16:30,360 --> 00:16:32,160 Speaker 1: she had been trying to reach us that a plane 309 00:16:32,200 --> 00:16:34,800 Speaker 1: hit the trade center. And I was thinking maybe it 310 00:16:34,840 --> 00:16:36,880 Speaker 1: was a piper. You know, I don't think anybody thought 311 00:16:36,880 --> 00:16:37,200 Speaker 1: about that. 312 00:16:37,280 --> 00:16:39,680 Speaker 2: I think everybody thought it was a Cessna or a 313 00:16:39,720 --> 00:16:41,400 Speaker 2: small product plane of some sort. 314 00:16:41,480 --> 00:16:42,600 Speaker 1: But when the second body. 315 00:16:42,560 --> 00:16:45,240 Speaker 2: Nobody fathomed it was a jetliner. 316 00:16:44,720 --> 00:16:47,280 Speaker 1: At first, right, the second one confirmed it for everyone. 317 00:16:47,320 --> 00:16:48,040 Speaker 1: That was an attack. 318 00:16:48,520 --> 00:16:51,080 Speaker 2: So could you see the could you see it from 319 00:16:51,080 --> 00:16:53,000 Speaker 2: the smoke? You see the smoke? 320 00:16:53,040 --> 00:16:56,000 Speaker 1: Yeah, I could see the smoke. But I didn't spend 321 00:16:56,000 --> 00:16:58,800 Speaker 1: too much time up there. I had my daughter's fifteen 322 00:16:58,840 --> 00:17:00,760 Speaker 1: and she went to a school that was about twenty 323 00:17:00,760 --> 00:17:02,920 Speaker 1: two blocks from our house, so I wanted to go 324 00:17:02,960 --> 00:17:06,639 Speaker 1: and get her. So I have to admit I probably 325 00:17:06,640 --> 00:17:08,359 Speaker 1: wouldn't do the same thing today. But I took a 326 00:17:08,400 --> 00:17:11,879 Speaker 1: quick shower, and when I went downstairs, it started to 327 00:17:11,960 --> 00:17:16,399 Speaker 1: snow black and papers were falling. 328 00:17:16,240 --> 00:17:18,440 Speaker 2: And all the way across the river. 329 00:17:18,640 --> 00:17:21,560 Speaker 1: Oh that was just the beginning of it. Yeah, yeah, 330 00:17:21,600 --> 00:17:23,600 Speaker 1: that was the beginning of it. And then it was heavily, 331 00:17:23,880 --> 00:17:27,320 Speaker 1: heavily covered with snow, black snow. It was all ash 332 00:17:27,640 --> 00:17:28,840 Speaker 1: and papers. 333 00:17:29,040 --> 00:17:33,280 Speaker 2: You know, we see all the images of when the 334 00:17:33,320 --> 00:17:38,280 Speaker 2: buildings fell and that power plastic cloud of dust rolling 335 00:17:39,080 --> 00:17:41,880 Speaker 2: down the streets of Manhattan and the skyscraper. 336 00:17:42,000 --> 00:17:43,400 Speaker 1: Yes, but I. 337 00:17:43,359 --> 00:17:48,240 Speaker 2: Don't think until right now, I've even asked or seen 338 00:17:48,359 --> 00:17:56,800 Speaker 2: pictures or been cognizant of even the neighborhoods across the river. 339 00:17:57,560 --> 00:17:59,840 Speaker 2: We're being rained on by the fallout. 340 00:18:00,760 --> 00:18:04,560 Speaker 1: But I didn't realize how much had come our way 341 00:18:04,640 --> 00:18:07,840 Speaker 1: until I saw a satellite photo and it was covering 342 00:18:07,880 --> 00:18:10,720 Speaker 1: Brooklyn Heights, Cobble Hill, and Carroll Gardens. I lived in 343 00:18:10,760 --> 00:18:13,760 Speaker 1: Carroll Gardens, so I live. 344 00:18:13,800 --> 00:18:15,200 Speaker 2: Their home is in Carroll Garden. 345 00:18:15,280 --> 00:18:17,000 Speaker 1: It was at the time. We were there for about 346 00:18:17,040 --> 00:18:18,800 Speaker 1: forty years, and then it became very rich and I 347 00:18:18,800 --> 00:18:21,320 Speaker 1: can't afford it, so I moved on. That's like really 348 00:18:21,320 --> 00:18:23,600 Speaker 1: a short story there, and we'll leave it there. I 349 00:18:23,640 --> 00:18:26,160 Speaker 1: went back up the stairs and I grabbed a bunch 350 00:18:26,200 --> 00:18:29,199 Speaker 1: of cloth napkins and got them wet, and I started 351 00:18:29,240 --> 00:18:31,720 Speaker 1: to run up to my daughter's school with my husband, 352 00:18:32,240 --> 00:18:33,240 Speaker 1: and I remember. 353 00:18:32,920 --> 00:18:35,800 Speaker 2: Passing covering your mouth. I guess, yeah. 354 00:18:35,640 --> 00:18:38,439 Speaker 1: But I wanted to cover my daughter's mouth, you know. 355 00:18:38,480 --> 00:18:40,400 Speaker 1: And I told my husband to put it over his face. 356 00:18:40,440 --> 00:18:42,879 Speaker 1: And we passed a man with a baby and I 357 00:18:42,960 --> 00:18:46,119 Speaker 1: gave him two and he put them both over his mouth, 358 00:18:46,160 --> 00:18:48,479 Speaker 1: and I said, you need to cover the baby's face. 359 00:18:48,880 --> 00:18:50,840 Speaker 2: You passed a dude with the baby and he put 360 00:18:50,960 --> 00:18:51,919 Speaker 2: over his mouth. 361 00:18:52,119 --> 00:18:56,640 Speaker 1: I can't judge, you know what. Everybody was totally totally. 362 00:18:57,760 --> 00:19:00,919 Speaker 2: Not being found anything for age rider and even considering 363 00:19:00,960 --> 00:19:02,159 Speaker 2: that the impact may need to bring it. 364 00:19:02,280 --> 00:19:04,600 Speaker 1: Yes, but did I tell you my husband cooks, so 365 00:19:05,480 --> 00:19:07,520 Speaker 1: he's still alive. Okay, so you know you have to 366 00:19:07,560 --> 00:19:10,280 Speaker 1: choose your battles. But what happened was then I got 367 00:19:10,280 --> 00:19:12,680 Speaker 1: to the school and my daughter, who is hearing a parent, 368 00:19:13,400 --> 00:19:17,600 Speaker 1: she felt the building's falling. She felt all of it. 369 00:19:17,680 --> 00:19:21,920 Speaker 1: She's hyper sensitive because of the hearing loss. She's hyper sensitive, 370 00:19:21,960 --> 00:19:23,639 Speaker 1: and she was inconsolable. 371 00:19:24,160 --> 00:19:26,240 Speaker 2: And she knew it because she felt it. 372 00:19:26,320 --> 00:19:29,479 Speaker 1: She felt it first. And remember there was a bombing 373 00:19:29,520 --> 00:19:32,080 Speaker 1: before in the early nineties and she was in that 374 00:19:32,119 --> 00:19:34,639 Speaker 1: same school. Now, she didn't feel that one. She was 375 00:19:34,680 --> 00:19:38,280 Speaker 1: in the in her library. I think, well, they were 376 00:19:38,280 --> 00:19:41,560 Speaker 1: talking about it, like right away. The technology was such 377 00:19:41,600 --> 00:19:43,439 Speaker 1: at that time where they could pull it right up 378 00:19:43,440 --> 00:19:46,359 Speaker 1: from the news or whatever. We had parents in the 379 00:19:46,400 --> 00:19:50,159 Speaker 1: school that worked down there, so the words spread pretty quickly. 380 00:19:50,680 --> 00:19:53,480 Speaker 1: But I remember picking her up. She was quite upset 381 00:19:53,720 --> 00:19:59,320 Speaker 1: and handing out the cloth dinner napkins to everybody, all 382 00:19:59,359 --> 00:20:02,560 Speaker 1: the kids that were coming in the same area we were. 383 00:20:03,080 --> 00:20:06,800 Speaker 1: And I brought her home and as we were going home, 384 00:20:07,040 --> 00:20:09,520 Speaker 1: papers were flying my girlfriend. 385 00:20:09,080 --> 00:20:12,760 Speaker 2: Who lived papers, Oh yeah, like full pieces of paper. 386 00:20:12,640 --> 00:20:15,760 Speaker 1: But they looked they looked like they had BB pock 387 00:20:15,880 --> 00:20:20,080 Speaker 1: marks all over them and dirt and ash, and my girl. 388 00:20:21,720 --> 00:20:22,679 Speaker 2: All the way across the road. 389 00:20:22,720 --> 00:20:26,639 Speaker 1: Yeah, landed on our deck. My girlfriend had a lot 390 00:20:26,680 --> 00:20:29,600 Speaker 1: on her deck, and she actually had the There was 391 00:20:29,640 --> 00:20:33,560 Speaker 1: an evacuation plan in the case of a title a 392 00:20:33,560 --> 00:20:37,000 Speaker 1: tsunami for the trade center. I guess blew from the 393 00:20:37,040 --> 00:20:39,520 Speaker 1: trade center over to her house and landed on her 394 00:20:39,560 --> 00:20:42,320 Speaker 1: deck and her son has that now. She's since passed away. 395 00:20:43,960 --> 00:20:46,920 Speaker 1: So yeah, we we were in that that fallout. And 396 00:20:46,920 --> 00:20:49,159 Speaker 1: I remember my daughter asking me if we were breathing 397 00:20:49,160 --> 00:20:53,840 Speaker 1: in dead people? And I was stunned by her question 398 00:20:54,040 --> 00:20:55,320 Speaker 1: and I didn't how was. 399 00:20:55,280 --> 00:20:58,800 Speaker 2: She had fifteen? Are we breathing in dead people? 400 00:20:58,960 --> 00:21:03,320 Speaker 1: Yeah? Knowing that the buildings came just to be in 401 00:21:03,359 --> 00:21:06,040 Speaker 1: that place in time where you would have to ask 402 00:21:06,119 --> 00:21:10,520 Speaker 1: that question and probably be right. But I don't remember 403 00:21:10,520 --> 00:21:12,320 Speaker 1: my answer, and I hope to God I had something 404 00:21:12,359 --> 00:21:14,720 Speaker 1: to give her that wasn't oh yeah, we are, you know, 405 00:21:15,160 --> 00:21:20,040 Speaker 1: I don't know. I just I remember the question so well. 406 00:21:20,040 --> 00:21:21,919 Speaker 2: I mean, you're trying to be tough for your daughter, 407 00:21:22,000 --> 00:21:23,320 Speaker 2: but you're in shock too. 408 00:21:24,560 --> 00:21:26,440 Speaker 1: It was the first time in my life I saw 409 00:21:26,520 --> 00:21:31,119 Speaker 1: the parents became children in that none of us had answers. 410 00:21:31,920 --> 00:21:35,520 Speaker 1: We were all looking for some kind of direction, and 411 00:21:35,800 --> 00:21:39,560 Speaker 1: we were scared to death. Everybody was scared because I 412 00:21:39,760 --> 00:21:43,000 Speaker 1: thought that they were not done yet. We all did. 413 00:21:43,000 --> 00:21:45,440 Speaker 1: And the F fifteen started coming, and we thought that 414 00:21:45,440 --> 00:21:48,040 Speaker 1: that was the enemy. Whoever the enemy was, we didn't 415 00:21:48,040 --> 00:21:50,760 Speaker 1: know at the time. But the more they came by, 416 00:21:50,840 --> 00:21:53,399 Speaker 1: the more everybody was jumping, you know. And that was 417 00:21:53,480 --> 00:21:56,280 Speaker 1: for a long time. On beautiful days, New Yorkers were 418 00:21:56,359 --> 00:22:00,000 Speaker 1: very skittish because it was a beautiful, especially beautiful day. 419 00:22:02,119 --> 00:22:05,120 Speaker 1: So yeah, at fifteen's came by after that, and all 420 00:22:05,160 --> 00:22:07,440 Speaker 1: of us would just you know, tense up. 421 00:22:10,680 --> 00:22:16,840 Speaker 2: What was the scene like around your neighborhood? Was everybody 422 00:22:16,880 --> 00:22:19,040 Speaker 2: shut in or were people coming out trying to talk 423 00:22:19,080 --> 00:22:20,880 Speaker 2: to each other, or people trying to get a look 424 00:22:21,000 --> 00:22:25,280 Speaker 2: what you well, that would be interesting riving back from Manhattan. 425 00:22:25,359 --> 00:22:28,720 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, Phil covered in dust, like covered you couldn't 426 00:22:28,760 --> 00:22:30,400 Speaker 1: make out who they were. It looked like they were 427 00:22:30,440 --> 00:22:33,320 Speaker 1: just in like a chimney flu covered in dust. 428 00:22:33,840 --> 00:22:35,639 Speaker 2: Some of them they catch on the ferry, I guess 429 00:22:35,680 --> 00:22:37,320 Speaker 2: because there were fairies trying to get people. 430 00:22:37,440 --> 00:22:41,119 Speaker 1: There were boats. Yeahs fairies. In fact, my friend Tommy, Uh, 431 00:22:41,960 --> 00:22:44,120 Speaker 1: Tommy was one of the guys that was a pilot 432 00:22:44,160 --> 00:22:47,600 Speaker 1: on the ferry. He became a firefighter soon after, and 433 00:22:47,680 --> 00:22:50,359 Speaker 1: he has since died of nine eleven cancer. I like 434 00:22:50,440 --> 00:22:54,840 Speaker 1: so many, it's over. I think it's four hundred and fifteen, 435 00:22:54,880 --> 00:22:56,960 Speaker 1: but we just had another one two days ago, so 436 00:22:57,200 --> 00:23:00,639 Speaker 1: I'm not sure. I know it's over four hundred. Additional 437 00:23:00,920 --> 00:23:02,720 Speaker 1: to the three p forty three we lost that day. 438 00:23:02,960 --> 00:23:05,960 Speaker 1: Of just firefighters, that doesn't include the other first responders 439 00:23:06,440 --> 00:23:08,720 Speaker 1: and civilians all too. 440 00:23:09,280 --> 00:23:12,920 Speaker 2: And some of the cancers or as I've grown to 441 00:23:13,000 --> 00:23:15,719 Speaker 2: learn from people like meals and other people, that some 442 00:23:15,760 --> 00:23:20,480 Speaker 2: of these cancers don't even have names. They are cancers unidentifiable. 443 00:23:20,720 --> 00:23:22,920 Speaker 1: There was one cancer that they said was so rare 444 00:23:23,359 --> 00:23:26,280 Speaker 1: that they very rarely saw it, but when they did 445 00:23:26,280 --> 00:23:28,720 Speaker 1: see it, it was in miners that had been miners 446 00:23:28,760 --> 00:23:30,720 Speaker 1: their whole lives. But they never saw it in the 447 00:23:30,760 --> 00:23:33,719 Speaker 1: general population. And that was over ten years ago, and 448 00:23:33,760 --> 00:23:37,800 Speaker 1: now it seems that it's more prevalent, I'll put it 449 00:23:37,840 --> 00:23:40,680 Speaker 1: that way. But to get back to that day, at 450 00:23:40,680 --> 00:23:43,199 Speaker 1: the time, you didn't pay for cable. We had the 451 00:23:43,240 --> 00:23:45,439 Speaker 1: trade center and it had the best antenna, so you 452 00:23:45,480 --> 00:23:48,240 Speaker 1: didn't have to pay for cable. You got your stations. 453 00:23:48,400 --> 00:23:51,520 Speaker 1: You didn't get cable stations, but you know that didn't matter. 454 00:23:51,960 --> 00:23:54,359 Speaker 1: So we went to a friend's house who had cable, 455 00:23:54,400 --> 00:23:56,240 Speaker 1: and we all sat there and it was about I 456 00:23:56,240 --> 00:23:59,400 Speaker 1: would say there were about eight families and our children 457 00:23:59,400 --> 00:24:01,199 Speaker 1: and we sat there and the kids went off and 458 00:24:01,240 --> 00:24:03,520 Speaker 1: played and we just watched. And I think that was 459 00:24:03,640 --> 00:24:07,600 Speaker 1: one of the first things I realized is we're bringing 460 00:24:07,640 --> 00:24:09,440 Speaker 1: this into the living room and the kids are seeing 461 00:24:09,480 --> 00:24:11,600 Speaker 1: it over and over. And I am old enough to say, 462 00:24:11,640 --> 00:24:14,360 Speaker 1: I remember when Kennedy was shot, Yes, the first one. 463 00:24:14,440 --> 00:24:18,280 Speaker 1: That's how old I am. And watching they didn't have cartoons, 464 00:24:18,280 --> 00:24:20,399 Speaker 1: and that's what I remember the most. But I remember 465 00:24:20,400 --> 00:24:23,080 Speaker 1: the funeral procession and how many times did we actually 466 00:24:23,080 --> 00:24:25,240 Speaker 1: see Reagan get shot? And how many times did you 467 00:24:25,240 --> 00:24:27,480 Speaker 1: see Martin Luther King get shot? It's just a loop. 468 00:24:28,240 --> 00:24:32,520 Speaker 1: Nothing came close to the nine to eleven repeated, repeated 469 00:24:32,800 --> 00:24:38,359 Speaker 1: shots of what happened. I know that transmission like I 470 00:24:38,400 --> 00:24:42,359 Speaker 1: know my mother's voice now, and so to the firefighters, 471 00:24:42,400 --> 00:24:43,520 Speaker 1: obviously in the families. 472 00:24:43,960 --> 00:24:48,399 Speaker 2: And that was my question. Your neighborhood had had people 473 00:24:48,400 --> 00:24:52,040 Speaker 2: that worked in the World Trade Center had to have fire. So, yeah, 474 00:24:52,080 --> 00:24:55,920 Speaker 2: you're watching it on TV, just like I am in Memphis. 475 00:24:55,960 --> 00:24:57,840 Speaker 2: You're seeing the same thing on the TV that I 476 00:24:57,880 --> 00:25:00,760 Speaker 2: would be seeing in Memphis. You're seeing the same thing 477 00:25:00,800 --> 00:25:03,000 Speaker 2: that people in LA would be seeing on the TV. 478 00:25:04,600 --> 00:25:10,160 Speaker 2: But we're watching it in horror, but without any personal 479 00:25:10,200 --> 00:25:16,880 Speaker 2: connection other than patriotism and things like that. Yeah, you 480 00:25:16,920 --> 00:25:19,960 Speaker 2: have like interpersonal connection. 481 00:25:19,680 --> 00:25:22,080 Speaker 1: Yes, yeah. And we're breathing it in to all of it. 482 00:25:22,240 --> 00:25:25,080 Speaker 2: We were breathingly, breathing in for months. 483 00:25:25,359 --> 00:25:28,320 Speaker 1: People don't realize it was burning until December. It was 484 00:25:28,359 --> 00:25:33,680 Speaker 1: burning until December, smoldering burning. So yeah, because the Trade 485 00:25:33,720 --> 00:25:37,200 Speaker 1: Center went down about six I think it's six stories. 486 00:25:37,320 --> 00:25:39,439 Speaker 2: I thought it was smoldering down there. You're saying it 487 00:25:39,480 --> 00:25:40,280 Speaker 2: was burning. 488 00:25:40,040 --> 00:25:44,000 Speaker 1: Their boots were melting, the firefighters boots were melting. And yes, 489 00:25:44,080 --> 00:25:46,800 Speaker 1: I think you know. After a couple of months it 490 00:25:46,840 --> 00:25:49,320 Speaker 1: was smoldering, but they didn't The fires did not go 491 00:25:49,359 --> 00:25:54,200 Speaker 1: out until December. So I do remember of that day. 492 00:25:54,080 --> 00:25:57,680 Speaker 2: Which means everybody up there was just sucking that in 493 00:25:58,240 --> 00:25:59,399 Speaker 2: all day long. 494 00:26:00,200 --> 00:26:04,040 Speaker 1: Yeah, or until May when they close the site. So 495 00:26:04,320 --> 00:26:07,040 Speaker 1: you know, as I'm sure you've heard certainly from Tim, 496 00:26:07,080 --> 00:26:08,760 Speaker 1: you know that it started out as a pile. They 497 00:26:08,760 --> 00:26:10,399 Speaker 1: called it the pile. They're going to the pile, and 498 00:26:10,440 --> 00:26:15,680 Speaker 1: then it became the pit. And yeah, but that smell 499 00:26:16,040 --> 00:26:18,320 Speaker 1: is I'll never forget the smell. 500 00:26:26,920 --> 00:26:45,199 Speaker 2: We'll be right back. I know this sounds stupid, but 501 00:26:45,640 --> 00:26:47,800 Speaker 2: I played a lot of football, and if you get 502 00:26:47,840 --> 00:26:51,760 Speaker 2: your bell rung, anybody who's boxed or played football, I've 503 00:26:51,760 --> 00:26:54,760 Speaker 2: done both, and get your bell rung, which means I 504 00:26:54,880 --> 00:26:57,040 Speaker 2: have my bell wrung a lot, which is one of 505 00:26:57,080 --> 00:26:59,080 Speaker 2: the reasons why I'm deaf on my right here, by 506 00:26:59,119 --> 00:27:02,960 Speaker 2: the way. But when you get a shot, if you 507 00:27:03,040 --> 00:27:06,199 Speaker 2: ever took a luminum foil and bit down on it, 508 00:27:06,640 --> 00:27:09,520 Speaker 2: you get that taste in your mouth when you get 509 00:27:09,640 --> 00:27:13,160 Speaker 2: a real nogging shot. All right, it's the only way 510 00:27:13,160 --> 00:27:17,200 Speaker 2: I can explain to my wife what you taste when 511 00:27:17,240 --> 00:27:20,040 Speaker 2: you get a concussion. It's just bite a luminum fool, 512 00:27:20,160 --> 00:27:21,040 Speaker 2: That's what it tastes on. 513 00:27:21,160 --> 00:27:21,879 Speaker 1: That's fascinating. 514 00:27:22,119 --> 00:27:25,800 Speaker 2: Do you have a comparison like that for what that 515 00:27:26,600 --> 00:27:32,520 Speaker 2: smell and that atmosphere was death? It is death. You 516 00:27:32,520 --> 00:27:33,639 Speaker 2: could smell death. 517 00:27:33,800 --> 00:27:38,600 Speaker 1: That's for me. It probably came to symbolize death. But 518 00:27:39,119 --> 00:27:41,359 Speaker 1: for me, if I smell that, I'm going to be 519 00:27:41,359 --> 00:27:47,520 Speaker 1: smelling death, and the association is probably it's a psychological thing, right, 520 00:27:47,560 --> 00:27:49,480 Speaker 1: it's you know, when I was breathing in that day, 521 00:27:49,520 --> 00:27:52,120 Speaker 1: I don't think I was consciously saying what my daughter said, 522 00:27:52,119 --> 00:27:55,760 Speaker 1: am I breathing in somebody that's dead? But to me 523 00:27:55,920 --> 00:27:58,520 Speaker 1: that the memory that day is death. You know, it 524 00:27:58,560 --> 00:27:59,720 Speaker 1: symbolizes death. 525 00:28:00,040 --> 00:28:04,720 Speaker 2: Which that same association means the firefighters who were there 526 00:28:05,520 --> 00:28:09,840 Speaker 2: after the fact doing all the work are literally breathing 527 00:28:09,960 --> 00:28:11,800 Speaker 2: in their brother's staff. Yeah. 528 00:28:12,520 --> 00:28:16,280 Speaker 1: Yeah, So it was like a combination of rubber and 529 00:28:16,840 --> 00:28:21,159 Speaker 1: burned eggs and burned eggs just the weirdest company to 530 00:28:21,240 --> 00:28:23,520 Speaker 1: not think about it. It wasn't your typical fire. It 531 00:28:23,600 --> 00:28:26,600 Speaker 1: wasn't like a chemical fire as opposed to a wood fire, 532 00:28:26,640 --> 00:28:29,920 Speaker 1: as opposed to fire. It was everything. It was garland 533 00:28:30,000 --> 00:28:33,879 Speaker 1: stoves from the restaurant pulverized into dust. It was sheet 534 00:28:33,960 --> 00:28:37,879 Speaker 1: rock pulverized, it was people pulverized. So it was it 535 00:28:37,920 --> 00:28:40,840 Speaker 1: was really a concoction of toxins. 536 00:28:40,680 --> 00:28:44,440 Speaker 2: So kind of burned rubber, burned eggs and molten steel 537 00:28:44,760 --> 00:28:46,000 Speaker 2: stench all blinded. 538 00:28:46,240 --> 00:28:49,440 Speaker 1: Yeah, just death. I mean, that's I can't. I wish 539 00:28:49,480 --> 00:28:51,000 Speaker 1: I could pritify it, but I can't. 540 00:28:51,120 --> 00:28:53,280 Speaker 2: You know, I mean that I think for our listeners 541 00:28:54,480 --> 00:28:59,840 Speaker 2: to fathom that the day was bad, but that stench, 542 00:29:00,120 --> 00:29:02,360 Speaker 2: that smell lingered. 543 00:29:01,960 --> 00:29:06,080 Speaker 1: For months, months, absolutely months. And it was interesting because 544 00:29:06,160 --> 00:29:09,000 Speaker 1: later in the I guess the next month because I 545 00:29:09,040 --> 00:29:12,520 Speaker 1: pretty much dayed close to home, helping the local firehouses 546 00:29:12,720 --> 00:29:15,040 Speaker 1: to the best of my ability, and I went to 547 00:29:15,080 --> 00:29:17,000 Speaker 1: the Upper east Side for something, god knows what. I 548 00:29:17,000 --> 00:29:19,520 Speaker 1: don't go up there very often, but I did, and 549 00:29:19,560 --> 00:29:22,800 Speaker 1: it smelled like Chanelle number five. It didn't smell like 550 00:29:22,920 --> 00:29:29,000 Speaker 1: the sight at all at all, and so iza, yeah, 551 00:29:29,120 --> 00:29:31,080 Speaker 1: it was. It was. It was a weird that kind 552 00:29:31,080 --> 00:29:32,840 Speaker 1: of mean. You know, I'll tell you what really struck 553 00:29:32,880 --> 00:29:35,160 Speaker 1: me is it was someone and I don't want to 554 00:29:35,920 --> 00:29:39,480 Speaker 1: make light of this, but I probably it'll sound like 555 00:29:39,520 --> 00:29:42,880 Speaker 1: I am the woman who was distraught. Everyone was distraught, 556 00:29:42,920 --> 00:29:46,640 Speaker 1: but this woman was over the top distraught and I 557 00:29:46,680 --> 00:29:50,080 Speaker 1: thought her spouse or child was in the building. She 558 00:29:50,160 --> 00:29:53,160 Speaker 1: was literally hysterical, and it turned out she was watching 559 00:29:53,200 --> 00:29:56,360 Speaker 1: it on TV. She might as well have been in Memphis. 560 00:29:56,480 --> 00:29:59,640 Speaker 1: She was on the Upper East Side. She couldn't smell it. 561 00:29:59,640 --> 00:30:03,320 Speaker 1: It was, there was no but it resonated for the 562 00:30:03,360 --> 00:30:05,560 Speaker 1: reason I think it resonated with everybody in the world, 563 00:30:05,560 --> 00:30:07,120 Speaker 1: and the fact that it was on the island that 564 00:30:07,200 --> 00:30:09,920 Speaker 1: she was on. Maybe that was it. But everyone took 565 00:30:09,960 --> 00:30:12,880 Speaker 1: it in different ways. And I think that's true for 566 00:30:12,920 --> 00:30:16,320 Speaker 1: the firefighters as well. There were firefighters that I would 567 00:30:16,360 --> 00:30:18,400 Speaker 1: say the majority of them, they wanted to be on 568 00:30:18,480 --> 00:30:21,120 Speaker 1: the pile every single day, all day, and a lot 569 00:30:21,160 --> 00:30:23,000 Speaker 1: of them were They had to be pulled off to 570 00:30:23,040 --> 00:30:24,200 Speaker 1: take a four hour nap. 571 00:30:24,440 --> 00:30:27,200 Speaker 2: You were probably the tenth person I've interviewed that has 572 00:30:27,320 --> 00:30:30,800 Speaker 2: some correlation and what they do now to it, and 573 00:30:30,960 --> 00:30:33,440 Speaker 2: every single one of you say that that is one 574 00:30:33,440 --> 00:30:37,560 Speaker 2: of the constant stories, is that you almost couldn't drag 575 00:30:37,640 --> 00:30:38,640 Speaker 2: those guys off that way. 576 00:30:38,680 --> 00:30:41,200 Speaker 1: You couldn't and I know had not quit and they 577 00:30:41,200 --> 00:30:43,320 Speaker 1: had broke. There was I know two that had broken 578 00:30:43,360 --> 00:30:45,840 Speaker 1: bones and they were they would not go get them set. 579 00:30:46,360 --> 00:30:48,720 Speaker 1: They were not leaving, and they would They actually said 580 00:30:48,760 --> 00:30:51,440 Speaker 1: it felt good because they knew their brothers were in 581 00:30:51,480 --> 00:30:55,920 Speaker 1: the pile, and for them it was I don't know 582 00:30:56,320 --> 00:30:59,600 Speaker 1: how you would categorize that, but that was their normal 583 00:30:59,760 --> 00:31:04,680 Speaker 1: back then, and I actually understand it. Sounds strange, but 584 00:31:04,760 --> 00:31:07,720 Speaker 1: I do understand it. So I one of the so 585 00:31:07,800 --> 00:31:09,280 Speaker 1: I told you, I grew up in a party house 586 00:31:09,320 --> 00:31:11,760 Speaker 1: and one of the guys that I loved the most 587 00:31:11,800 --> 00:31:14,760 Speaker 1: was my brother's friend, Kevin, and Kevin became a brother 588 00:31:14,840 --> 00:31:16,959 Speaker 1: to me. He was about eight years older. And if 589 00:31:16,960 --> 00:31:18,960 Speaker 1: it's younger and he sees this, I'll let me know. 590 00:31:19,400 --> 00:31:21,640 Speaker 1: But he was about eight years older, just assault of 591 00:31:21,680 --> 00:31:24,960 Speaker 1: the earth guy, nicest guy I ever met. And he's 592 00:31:25,000 --> 00:31:27,960 Speaker 1: a lieutenant in a firehouse in the Bronx and I 593 00:31:28,000 --> 00:31:29,800 Speaker 1: didn't know if he made it out until I think 594 00:31:29,800 --> 00:31:33,000 Speaker 1: it was Wednesday night when his wife called and said 595 00:31:33,000 --> 00:31:35,320 Speaker 1: that he was alive. So a lot of this was 596 00:31:35,400 --> 00:31:38,080 Speaker 1: driven from knowing that Kevin was alive. Now what and 597 00:31:38,160 --> 00:31:39,840 Speaker 1: she said, go to your local house and see what 598 00:31:39,880 --> 00:31:40,320 Speaker 1: they need. 599 00:31:41,200 --> 00:31:45,000 Speaker 2: That's it. Well, see this is where opportunity collided with 600 00:31:45,000 --> 00:31:48,840 Speaker 2: what became a passion. So great job setting it up 601 00:31:48,880 --> 00:31:52,520 Speaker 2: for us. If you're listening to this and you don't understand, now, 602 00:31:52,640 --> 00:31:54,840 Speaker 2: I don't know how to help you understand any better 603 00:31:55,480 --> 00:31:57,920 Speaker 2: what the reality was for the folks who lived in 604 00:31:57,920 --> 00:32:02,800 Speaker 2: and around Manhattan. But a wife of a dear friend, 605 00:32:02,840 --> 00:32:06,240 Speaker 2: as a brother or says something this simple. Go to 606 00:32:06,280 --> 00:32:10,440 Speaker 2: a firehouse and say what they need. Not here's an organization, 607 00:32:10,720 --> 00:32:14,560 Speaker 2: not do this. Walk in the door, see what they need. 608 00:32:15,160 --> 00:32:16,320 Speaker 2: And that was the beginning. 609 00:32:16,640 --> 00:32:19,880 Speaker 1: That was the beginning. That was the pre beginning. 610 00:32:20,120 --> 00:32:20,479 Speaker 2: Okay. 611 00:32:20,600 --> 00:32:23,040 Speaker 1: So I went to a local firehouse which was engined 612 00:32:23,040 --> 00:32:25,320 Speaker 1: two A four, which is now closed. And that's another 613 00:32:25,320 --> 00:32:28,160 Speaker 1: thing I just won't talk about because closing firehouses is insane, 614 00:32:28,200 --> 00:32:32,320 Speaker 1: but they did. I went there and they said, we 615 00:32:32,320 --> 00:32:35,640 Speaker 1: didn't lose anybody here, and I came to find out 616 00:32:35,720 --> 00:32:40,280 Speaker 1: later on that every firefighter lost somebody. They lost somebody, 617 00:32:40,320 --> 00:32:42,760 Speaker 1: but they meant no one that is assigned to this 618 00:32:42,840 --> 00:32:46,160 Speaker 1: house died, and I found that out later on. So 619 00:32:46,240 --> 00:32:49,320 Speaker 1: I walked and it was funny because I'd never that interesting. 620 00:32:49,000 --> 00:32:51,040 Speaker 2: That the guy said, we don't need anything here, no 621 00:32:51,040 --> 00:32:54,840 Speaker 2: one died here. Or go to another one, although everyone 622 00:32:54,920 --> 00:32:56,640 Speaker 2: in that house had a friend, a brother, or a 623 00:32:56,640 --> 00:32:58,600 Speaker 2: colleague that died. 624 00:33:00,000 --> 00:33:01,960 Speaker 1: I sent you to another, but they didn't tell me 625 00:33:02,000 --> 00:33:04,560 Speaker 1: which one. And I just kept walking and I. 626 00:33:04,640 --> 00:33:05,240 Speaker 2: Are you kidding? 627 00:33:05,600 --> 00:33:10,040 Speaker 1: Yeah, they just kept plodding along. But now this is 628 00:33:10,080 --> 00:33:13,000 Speaker 1: where it gets a little. I don't want to be 629 00:33:13,080 --> 00:33:15,800 Speaker 1: like woo wooh about it, but I was. I went 630 00:33:15,840 --> 00:33:18,400 Speaker 1: to a firehouse I had never been to before, even 631 00:33:18,440 --> 00:33:21,479 Speaker 1: though there were some in my neighborhood. And I just 632 00:33:21,600 --> 00:33:23,960 Speaker 1: kept walking. And it was past my daughter's school, so 633 00:33:23,960 --> 00:33:26,160 Speaker 1: it was like twenty eight blocks or something, and I 634 00:33:26,280 --> 00:33:28,920 Speaker 1: landed at two five and one eighteen, which is at 635 00:33:28,920 --> 00:33:31,880 Speaker 1: the base of the Brooklyn Bridge on mid Au Street. 636 00:33:32,240 --> 00:33:35,120 Speaker 1: And I went in and I met a firefighter, John Sorrentino, 637 00:33:35,200 --> 00:33:37,120 Speaker 1: and I said, what do you need? And he goes, 638 00:33:37,160 --> 00:33:39,640 Speaker 1: you have paper, and I had a legal pad, which 639 00:33:39,680 --> 00:33:42,560 Speaker 1: I still have, and he said, the first thing we 640 00:33:42,640 --> 00:33:46,640 Speaker 1: need is bunting for the firehouse. Bunting is the dark 641 00:33:46,680 --> 00:33:49,480 Speaker 1: purple and black flag that they drape outside a house 642 00:33:49,520 --> 00:33:51,640 Speaker 1: to say we've had a loss in the house. So 643 00:33:51,760 --> 00:33:54,480 Speaker 1: when we have a fatal fire, a firefighter goes down 644 00:33:54,720 --> 00:33:58,960 Speaker 1: line of duty called bunting. So the second thing he 645 00:33:59,000 --> 00:34:01,920 Speaker 1: said is and this was like the day after. I 646 00:34:01,960 --> 00:34:04,640 Speaker 1: mean it was like right away, and so he blew 647 00:34:04,680 --> 00:34:08,440 Speaker 1: my mind. The second thing he said he needed was 648 00:34:08,480 --> 00:34:11,799 Speaker 1: a bugler because one of the guys they lost eight men, 649 00:34:11,800 --> 00:34:14,200 Speaker 1: and he knew that they were gone. He said, one 650 00:34:14,200 --> 00:34:16,560 Speaker 1: of them is military. We need a bugler at the funerals, 651 00:34:16,600 --> 00:34:19,080 Speaker 1: and you know if we ever recovered them, which they 652 00:34:19,080 --> 00:34:24,560 Speaker 1: only recovered seven and not until New Year's Day. So 653 00:34:24,640 --> 00:34:26,680 Speaker 1: the last thing he said was counselors. And you could 654 00:34:26,680 --> 00:34:29,279 Speaker 1: have knocked me over with a feather. So now I'm 655 00:34:29,280 --> 00:34:31,080 Speaker 1: going to bounce back to when I was a child. 656 00:34:31,200 --> 00:34:33,120 Speaker 1: My mom's uncle was killed line of duty out of 657 00:34:33,280 --> 00:34:37,399 Speaker 1: fourteen truck in the Bronx in Upper Manhattan, Harlem, and 658 00:34:37,760 --> 00:34:40,239 Speaker 1: so I grew up with a knowledge that the firefighters 659 00:34:40,239 --> 00:34:42,080 Speaker 1: were cut above. My mother used to say that before 660 00:34:42,080 --> 00:34:44,040 Speaker 1: women came on the job, they were cut above all 661 00:34:44,120 --> 00:34:47,080 Speaker 1: men and they don't need Yeah, she'd say, they don't 662 00:34:47,120 --> 00:34:49,439 Speaker 1: need anybody's help, you know, they take care of each other. 663 00:34:49,640 --> 00:34:52,040 Speaker 1: And I think that was because she knew that. When 664 00:34:52,440 --> 00:34:56,239 Speaker 1: her uncle, Maddie died, there was a funeral that you 665 00:34:56,280 --> 00:34:58,960 Speaker 1: could see, you know, everybody showed up for that and 666 00:34:59,000 --> 00:35:02,120 Speaker 1: that was what before I was born. So there was that, 667 00:35:02,920 --> 00:35:06,760 Speaker 1: But what really struck me was that there's no guys 668 00:35:06,880 --> 00:35:12,520 Speaker 1: I knew that were open to counseling. It was for weaklings. 669 00:35:12,680 --> 00:35:15,480 Speaker 1: It was mandated for the guys that were drinking or 670 00:35:15,520 --> 00:35:18,480 Speaker 1: had a drug problem, but they didn't want to willingly 671 00:35:18,600 --> 00:35:19,719 Speaker 1: go to counseling. 672 00:35:20,280 --> 00:35:26,879 Speaker 2: And a firehouse. People need to remember, these guys live together, yes, 673 00:35:26,960 --> 00:35:29,920 Speaker 2: for three four days at a time, and I mean, 674 00:35:30,280 --> 00:35:34,120 Speaker 2: let's be real, a bunch of dudes living in a firehouse, 675 00:35:34,239 --> 00:35:39,040 Speaker 2: cooking together. They're talking about everything everything. You don't want 676 00:35:39,040 --> 00:35:41,200 Speaker 2: to guess, they talk about everything everything. And these are 677 00:35:41,400 --> 00:35:45,200 Speaker 2: men's men, and you know they're busting each other's balls, 678 00:35:45,320 --> 00:35:49,000 Speaker 2: they're cussing, they're hanging out. That is not an atmosphere 679 00:35:49,040 --> 00:35:51,760 Speaker 2: where someone says, my feelings. 680 00:35:51,280 --> 00:35:54,280 Speaker 1: Are hurt Jesus, No, hell no. 681 00:35:54,560 --> 00:35:57,080 Speaker 2: That is why firemen take care of fireman. That is 682 00:35:57,120 --> 00:36:00,840 Speaker 2: why that thing comes from. We have each other others back. 683 00:36:00,920 --> 00:36:04,000 Speaker 1: And yes, that's a big part of it, but there's 684 00:36:04,080 --> 00:36:08,000 Speaker 1: also they're not very good at taking care of themselves. 685 00:36:08,360 --> 00:36:10,480 Speaker 1: They're very good at taking care of other people, they're 686 00:36:10,520 --> 00:36:12,279 Speaker 1: not very good at taking care of themselves. 687 00:36:12,680 --> 00:36:17,919 Speaker 2: And it's it's like the it's like the surgeon who 688 00:36:17,960 --> 00:36:21,080 Speaker 2: works on cancer patients but smokes two packs cigarettes to day. 689 00:36:21,120 --> 00:36:23,319 Speaker 2: It's not that. 690 00:36:24,520 --> 00:36:26,879 Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm good, I'm good. Don't worry about me. I'm good. 691 00:36:26,920 --> 00:36:27,239 Speaker 1: I'm good. 692 00:36:27,400 --> 00:36:30,160 Speaker 2: But what you said is profound. They're great at taking 693 00:36:30,200 --> 00:36:32,520 Speaker 2: care of other people, they're horrible taking care of themselves. 694 00:36:32,520 --> 00:36:34,400 Speaker 1: I stole that from Steve, who sent me, so I 695 00:36:34,440 --> 00:36:34,960 Speaker 1: have to give. 696 00:36:34,840 --> 00:36:36,640 Speaker 2: Credit credit for get it. 697 00:36:36,840 --> 00:36:38,879 Speaker 1: Yeah, and he hit the nail on the head because 698 00:36:38,920 --> 00:36:39,200 Speaker 1: and so. 699 00:36:39,160 --> 00:36:41,840 Speaker 2: When this guy said we need counselors, you must. 700 00:36:41,760 --> 00:36:44,080 Speaker 1: I was stunned in the face. I was stunned. 701 00:36:46,719 --> 00:36:50,160 Speaker 2: And that concludes part one of my conversation with Nancy Carbone, 702 00:36:50,200 --> 00:36:52,279 Speaker 2: and you don't want to miss part two that's now 703 00:36:52,320 --> 00:36:56,240 Speaker 2: available to listen to. Together, guys, we can change this country. 704 00:36:56,560 --> 00:37:02,440 Speaker 2: What it starts with you. I'll see in part two. 705 00:37:01,640 --> 00:37:01,680 Speaker 1: The