1 00:00:05,880 --> 00:00:12,280 Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Greece. We are coming to you 2 00:00:12,360 --> 00:00:16,000 Speaker 1: live from the courthouse and the judge has just announced 3 00:00:16,040 --> 00:00:19,759 Speaker 1: a lunch break, and this time it really is a 4 00:00:19,880 --> 00:00:23,600 Speaker 1: lunch break. I'm talking soups and sandwiches, that kind of thing, 5 00:00:24,320 --> 00:00:28,400 Speaker 1: not the break we took yesterday. Take a listen to 6 00:00:28,400 --> 00:00:31,760 Speaker 1: our cut one, ladies and gentleen. We have to evacuate 7 00:00:32,000 --> 00:00:36,720 Speaker 1: the building at this time, so we'll be in recess 8 00:00:36,840 --> 00:00:41,080 Speaker 1: until we discover what's going on. That recess was for 9 00:00:41,200 --> 00:00:44,800 Speaker 1: a bomb threat. As you all know, you legal eagles, 10 00:00:44,800 --> 00:00:47,199 Speaker 1: there was a bomb threat right in the middle of 11 00:00:47,200 --> 00:00:50,360 Speaker 1: the state's presentation yesterday. Gee, I wonder who would want 12 00:00:50,400 --> 00:00:54,160 Speaker 1: to disrupt the state's presentation that said we now know 13 00:00:54,480 --> 00:00:59,080 Speaker 1: it was a male caller. I believe it was Christine, 14 00:00:59,160 --> 00:01:02,720 Speaker 1: wasn't it from area code eight four three, But we 15 00:01:02,840 --> 00:01:07,240 Speaker 1: don't know who the caller was yet they think it 16 00:01:07,319 --> 00:01:10,399 Speaker 1: is eight four to three. There was no bomb, but 17 00:01:10,520 --> 00:01:15,440 Speaker 1: it waked havoc in the Murdog prosecution. Well, guess what, 18 00:01:15,680 --> 00:01:20,440 Speaker 1: we're back at it and the judge as always cool 19 00:01:21,240 --> 00:01:25,440 Speaker 1: as a cucumber on the bench, but today in court 20 00:01:26,160 --> 00:01:31,480 Speaker 1: it was another matter. Damning evidence pouring from the witness stand. 21 00:01:31,680 --> 00:01:33,880 Speaker 1: I mean, see Grace, this is Crime Stories. Thank you 22 00:01:33,920 --> 00:01:37,240 Speaker 1: for being with us here at Fox Nation in series sixeleven. 23 00:01:37,920 --> 00:01:39,839 Speaker 1: I'm going to go to the experts in just a moment, 24 00:01:39,840 --> 00:01:43,120 Speaker 1: but I want you to hear what we have learned 25 00:01:43,480 --> 00:01:48,160 Speaker 1: about Alex the Murdog, high profile lawyer and legal air 26 00:01:48,480 --> 00:01:51,480 Speaker 1: there in South Carolina on trial for the murders of 27 00:01:51,600 --> 00:01:55,080 Speaker 1: his wife, Maggie and adult son Paul. I want you 28 00:01:55,120 --> 00:01:57,880 Speaker 1: to hear what the state has just put up on 29 00:01:57,920 --> 00:02:01,800 Speaker 1: the stand. Take a listen to our starting at nine 30 00:02:01,840 --> 00:02:04,920 Speaker 1: oh six forty eight pm and then into nine oh 31 00:02:05,040 --> 00:02:08,919 Speaker 1: six fifty pm. So at that point it actually has 32 00:02:08,919 --> 00:02:11,799 Speaker 1: an engine running event, so the car has been turned on. Okay, 33 00:02:11,840 --> 00:02:14,840 Speaker 1: so nine oh six fifty pm, the vehicle is put 34 00:02:15,000 --> 00:02:17,720 Speaker 1: taken out a park and then let's go down the 35 00:02:17,720 --> 00:02:20,600 Speaker 1: line nineteen o four one nine zero four was the 36 00:02:20,680 --> 00:02:23,680 Speaker 1: next event where the vehicle went back into park at 37 00:02:24,040 --> 00:02:27,400 Speaker 1: nine twenty two and forty five seconds. In your opinion, 38 00:02:28,280 --> 00:02:31,400 Speaker 1: could the vehicle been moving between those two times? So 39 00:02:31,440 --> 00:02:34,040 Speaker 1: it could have, I have no evidence of that. Roughly, 40 00:02:34,080 --> 00:02:37,679 Speaker 1: how much time passes between the vehicle taking out of 41 00:02:37,720 --> 00:02:40,640 Speaker 1: park at line sixteen seventy two and put back in 42 00:02:40,680 --> 00:02:44,440 Speaker 1: a park at line nineteen o four approximately sixteen minutes 43 00:02:45,440 --> 00:02:47,919 Speaker 1: at nine twenty two forty five pm. And that's the 44 00:02:47,960 --> 00:02:50,840 Speaker 1: line nineteen o four. That's when the vehicle have been 45 00:02:50,840 --> 00:02:53,760 Speaker 1: placed in a park. Correct, that's correct. Nine forty three 46 00:02:53,840 --> 00:02:56,440 Speaker 1: oh five. The vehicle is now backed out a part correct, 47 00:02:57,320 --> 00:03:00,639 Speaker 1: that's correct. Roughly how much time passes between the sense 48 00:03:01,160 --> 00:03:05,079 Speaker 1: approximately twenty one minutes. Okay, you are hearing an expert 49 00:03:05,160 --> 00:03:11,920 Speaker 1: on the stand, Dwight felksoft Key, and he is an 50 00:03:11,960 --> 00:03:20,320 Speaker 1: expert in car engines, car systems, car navigation systems. Think 51 00:03:20,360 --> 00:03:23,320 Speaker 1: about it. If you have a nav system in your car, 52 00:03:24,280 --> 00:03:28,120 Speaker 1: it can tell you directions to get where you're going, 53 00:03:28,760 --> 00:03:31,200 Speaker 1: It can tell you all sorts of things. Your car 54 00:03:31,360 --> 00:03:35,160 Speaker 1: is actually pretty smart now. And of course Murdog has 55 00:03:35,160 --> 00:03:37,760 Speaker 1: a car that's the top of the line. Joining me 56 00:03:38,480 --> 00:03:44,200 Speaker 1: is Mike King, former police commander, host of Profiling Evil, 57 00:03:44,720 --> 00:03:52,280 Speaker 1: and Brian Darr, senior forensic engineer and tire expert at 58 00:03:52,440 --> 00:03:56,560 Speaker 1: US Forensic Tire Expert dot Com. I want to go 59 00:03:56,600 --> 00:03:58,520 Speaker 1: to both of you, gentlemen. I'll get to the rest 60 00:03:58,520 --> 00:04:01,800 Speaker 1: of you guests in just a second. Brian Darr, could 61 00:04:01,840 --> 00:04:08,120 Speaker 1: you interpret what this expert what Valkovski was saying, Yeah, 62 00:04:08,160 --> 00:04:12,800 Speaker 1: it sounded like he was referring to the enfotainment system. 63 00:04:13,000 --> 00:04:17,000 Speaker 1: The infotainment records all sorts of data, has track logs 64 00:04:17,520 --> 00:04:20,960 Speaker 1: that it can track your whereabouts as far as when 65 00:04:21,000 --> 00:04:24,440 Speaker 1: you turn to viequand turned off where you actually go, 66 00:04:24,800 --> 00:04:28,719 Speaker 1: don't go, things of that sort. Okay, listen, I may 67 00:04:28,800 --> 00:04:33,360 Speaker 1: have a double legal degree, but I don't know anything 68 00:04:33,400 --> 00:04:36,919 Speaker 1: that you just said. Okay, unless it's got yellow crime 69 00:04:37,000 --> 00:04:40,640 Speaker 1: scene tape around it, I don't know about it. Can 70 00:04:40,720 --> 00:04:44,320 Speaker 1: you bring it down for me? He is saying, and 71 00:04:44,400 --> 00:04:47,520 Speaker 1: I actually wrote it down. He is saying that there 72 00:04:47,600 --> 00:04:51,479 Speaker 1: was an engine running event. Is he trying to say, 73 00:04:51,839 --> 00:04:55,919 Speaker 1: Murdock turned his car on? Correct? Okay, that's an engine 74 00:04:56,080 --> 00:05:00,800 Speaker 1: running event? Is that what you call it? Yes? Yeah, 75 00:05:00,839 --> 00:05:04,800 Speaker 1: the engine's running, the cars running. Okay, So the car 76 00:05:04,839 --> 00:05:07,719 Speaker 1: has been turned on and that is nine h six 77 00:05:07,920 --> 00:05:12,359 Speaker 1: point forty eight. And these times are very very important. 78 00:05:12,440 --> 00:05:16,960 Speaker 1: Brian dhar hold on Mike King, I'm coming. The vehicle 79 00:05:17,800 --> 00:05:21,720 Speaker 1: was taken out of park, and let's go down the line. 80 00:05:21,760 --> 00:05:25,360 Speaker 1: He says, the vehicle was taken out of park and 81 00:05:25,480 --> 00:05:29,360 Speaker 1: put back into park. Now, how can you Brian dhar 82 00:05:30,279 --> 00:05:35,920 Speaker 1: look at data coming from the vehicle and tell me 83 00:05:36,320 --> 00:05:39,680 Speaker 1: exactly the second that the car was taken out of 84 00:05:39,680 --> 00:05:43,880 Speaker 1: park and put back into park. Well, the system within 85 00:05:43,920 --> 00:05:50,200 Speaker 1: the car each manufacturer different, so each manufacturer records different things, 86 00:05:50,240 --> 00:05:54,440 Speaker 1: but it dates and time stamps it, so that's why 87 00:05:54,440 --> 00:05:58,279 Speaker 1: it's recording it down to it's relative to the clock 88 00:05:58,320 --> 00:06:00,960 Speaker 1: in the vehicle. It's amazing to me that all of 89 00:06:00,960 --> 00:06:03,560 Speaker 1: this is kind of like a black box on an airplane, 90 00:06:03,839 --> 00:06:06,640 Speaker 1: so they can even tell us And let me go 91 00:06:06,680 --> 00:06:10,520 Speaker 1: to you, Joshua Ritter, criminal defense attorneys, partner at Worksman 92 00:06:10,640 --> 00:06:15,880 Speaker 1: Jackson and Quinn, former La County Deputy District attorney. Thanks 93 00:06:15,880 --> 00:06:18,920 Speaker 1: for being with us, Joshua. I mean this is like, 94 00:06:19,160 --> 00:06:20,840 Speaker 1: I know you're a defense attorney, so I don't take 95 00:06:20,880 --> 00:06:23,240 Speaker 1: this the wrong way, which means it's going to be 96 00:06:23,279 --> 00:06:27,080 Speaker 1: really bad whatever I'm about to say about defense attorneys, Joshua, 97 00:06:27,160 --> 00:06:31,520 Speaker 1: this is a defense lawyer's worst nightmare because Alex Murdock 98 00:06:31,600 --> 00:06:34,760 Speaker 1: has given this alibi that he wasn't there at the 99 00:06:34,760 --> 00:06:37,840 Speaker 1: scene of the double murders, and here you've got somebody 100 00:06:37,880 --> 00:06:41,760 Speaker 1: like Brian Darr saying, well, he cranked up his car 101 00:06:42,120 --> 00:06:48,080 Speaker 1: at nine oh six point five zero there was an 102 00:06:48,120 --> 00:06:52,280 Speaker 1: engine running event translation, he turned his car on. What 103 00:06:52,320 --> 00:06:55,920 Speaker 1: do you do with that? As a defense lawyer, Joshua Well, 104 00:06:56,000 --> 00:06:58,240 Speaker 1: jerrys love this type of stuff. You're absolutely right. It 105 00:06:58,240 --> 00:07:02,960 Speaker 1: begins to recreate them for them. They begins to become 106 00:07:03,000 --> 00:07:05,760 Speaker 1: alive for them. What took place that evening and minute 107 00:07:05,760 --> 00:07:08,039 Speaker 1: by minute. It's pretty incredible how they can get it 108 00:07:08,080 --> 00:07:10,080 Speaker 1: down to the exact minute and second of what he 109 00:07:10,160 --> 00:07:12,720 Speaker 1: was doing and when and start to reconstruct this. And 110 00:07:12,760 --> 00:07:15,360 Speaker 1: you're absolutely right. If that cuts against his alibi, they 111 00:07:15,480 --> 00:07:17,800 Speaker 1: got big problems. But the thing I'll point out is 112 00:07:17,840 --> 00:07:21,280 Speaker 1: what you've noticed, and what I notice is I think 113 00:07:21,320 --> 00:07:23,480 Speaker 1: I understand this stuff pretty well, but I'm still a 114 00:07:23,520 --> 00:07:25,880 Speaker 1: little bit lost, and I'm a little bit confused, and 115 00:07:25,920 --> 00:07:28,800 Speaker 1: confusion plates right into the defense hand. And if they 116 00:07:28,840 --> 00:07:31,680 Speaker 1: can cause some confusion in the jurors minds that they 117 00:07:31,720 --> 00:07:34,520 Speaker 1: don't quite understand what this evidence is telling them. Is 118 00:07:34,560 --> 00:07:36,520 Speaker 1: he turning on his car? Is he moving his car? 119 00:07:36,640 --> 00:07:39,800 Speaker 1: What does that mean to have his engine turn on? 120 00:07:40,640 --> 00:07:43,640 Speaker 1: If that causes any kind of doubt enough that it 121 00:07:43,760 --> 00:07:46,000 Speaker 1: rises to the level that they don't know what to believe, 122 00:07:46,080 --> 00:07:48,080 Speaker 1: that could play into the defense hand. I don't like 123 00:07:48,280 --> 00:07:53,160 Speaker 1: anything that you're saying ridder. But you're right because if 124 00:07:53,240 --> 00:07:56,760 Speaker 1: all of us were Let's say, you've got on our 125 00:07:56,800 --> 00:07:59,920 Speaker 1: panel right now, you've got a doctor on a medical exam, 126 00:08:00,640 --> 00:08:04,680 Speaker 1: You've got an Emerson, a reporter, you've got Mike King 127 00:08:04,720 --> 00:08:09,440 Speaker 1: and police commander, you've got Joshua Ritterer. If all of 128 00:08:09,560 --> 00:08:13,320 Speaker 1: us don't quite know what was said on the stand, 129 00:08:13,600 --> 00:08:15,680 Speaker 1: the jury's not going to get it either. But then 130 00:08:15,840 --> 00:08:20,400 Speaker 1: he tries to the prosecutor re ask the question how 131 00:08:20,480 --> 00:08:23,200 Speaker 1: much time between the vehicle taking out a park and 132 00:08:23,320 --> 00:08:28,000 Speaker 1: putting back in park sixteen minutes and that's when the 133 00:08:28,080 --> 00:08:31,480 Speaker 1: vehicle was in part Yes, and when the vehicle goes 134 00:08:31,520 --> 00:08:35,559 Speaker 1: out of park twenty one minutes. And I guarantee you 135 00:08:36,080 --> 00:08:39,280 Speaker 1: there's going to be a big chart Joshua Ritter, and 136 00:08:39,360 --> 00:08:45,680 Speaker 1: it's going to explain it in understandable terms what this means. Guys. 137 00:08:45,840 --> 00:08:48,600 Speaker 1: I want to hear that sound one more time, Christine, 138 00:08:48,960 --> 00:08:52,960 Speaker 1: do you mind playing it one more time now that 139 00:08:52,960 --> 00:08:56,679 Speaker 1: we've got a little understanding based on what Brian Darr 140 00:08:56,679 --> 00:09:01,640 Speaker 1: told us, starting at nine and then into nine oh 141 00:09:01,760 --> 00:09:05,640 Speaker 1: six fifty pm, so at that point it actually has 142 00:09:05,640 --> 00:09:08,520 Speaker 1: an engine running event, so the car has been turned on. Okay, 143 00:09:08,559 --> 00:09:11,559 Speaker 1: so nine oh six fifty pm, the vehicle is put 144 00:09:11,720 --> 00:09:14,440 Speaker 1: taken out of park and then let's go down the 145 00:09:14,440 --> 00:09:17,320 Speaker 1: line nineteen o four one nine zero four was the 146 00:09:17,400 --> 00:09:20,400 Speaker 1: next event where the vehicle went back into park at 147 00:09:20,760 --> 00:09:24,120 Speaker 1: nine twenty two and forty five seconds? In your opinion, 148 00:09:25,000 --> 00:09:28,120 Speaker 1: could the vehicle been moving between those two times as 149 00:09:28,160 --> 00:09:30,760 Speaker 1: it could have? I have no evidence of that. Roughly, 150 00:09:30,800 --> 00:09:34,400 Speaker 1: how much time passes between the vehicle taking out of 151 00:09:34,440 --> 00:09:37,360 Speaker 1: park at line sixteen seventy two and put back in 152 00:09:37,400 --> 00:09:41,160 Speaker 1: a park at line nineteen o four approximately sixteen minutes 153 00:09:42,160 --> 00:09:44,640 Speaker 1: at nine twenty two forty five pm. And that's the 154 00:09:44,679 --> 00:09:47,559 Speaker 1: line nineteen o four. That's when the vehicle has been 155 00:09:47,559 --> 00:09:50,480 Speaker 1: placed in a park. Correct, that's correct. Nine forty three 156 00:09:50,559 --> 00:09:53,160 Speaker 1: oh five the vehicle is now back out of park. Correct, 157 00:09:54,040 --> 00:09:57,360 Speaker 1: that's correct. Roughly how much time passes between those two events? 158 00:09:57,920 --> 00:10:01,000 Speaker 1: Approximately twenty one minutes. Well, look, I don't have the 159 00:10:01,000 --> 00:10:05,080 Speaker 1: background that Brian Dharr has with tire expert dot com, 160 00:10:05,240 --> 00:10:07,760 Speaker 1: but I can tell you what that means straight out 161 00:10:07,760 --> 00:10:11,520 Speaker 1: to Mike King, former police commander, host of profiling evil 162 00:10:11,760 --> 00:10:15,840 Speaker 1: on YouTube author, I've deceived an investigative memoir of the 163 00:10:15,960 --> 00:10:19,800 Speaker 1: Zion Society cult. Oh, I got to read that, an 164 00:10:19,840 --> 00:10:23,600 Speaker 1: investigative memoir of the Zion Society cult, because you know, 165 00:10:23,640 --> 00:10:26,000 Speaker 1: I don't get to talk about murder enough all day long. 166 00:10:26,000 --> 00:10:28,120 Speaker 1: I want to read about it at night. Mike King, 167 00:10:28,160 --> 00:10:30,960 Speaker 1: I can tell you. And I sure don't know about 168 00:10:31,000 --> 00:10:35,440 Speaker 1: break systems and nav systems like Brian dhar does. But 169 00:10:36,000 --> 00:10:40,280 Speaker 1: he drove for sixteen minutes to his mother's house. The 170 00:10:40,360 --> 00:10:43,200 Speaker 1: car was in park, the car was turned on, it 171 00:10:43,240 --> 00:10:46,400 Speaker 1: was in park, It came out of park sixteen minutes later, 172 00:10:46,400 --> 00:10:50,560 Speaker 1: it went back into park, twenty one minutes later, it 173 00:10:50,679 --> 00:10:53,440 Speaker 1: came out of park, and he was at his mother's 174 00:10:53,440 --> 00:10:56,160 Speaker 1: house twenty one minutes. That's the way I'm interpreting it. 175 00:10:56,200 --> 00:11:00,600 Speaker 1: Does that make sense to you, Mike King? It absolutely does, Nancy. 176 00:11:00,640 --> 00:11:02,360 Speaker 1: And the thing that I'm so intrigued by this, I'm 177 00:11:02,400 --> 00:11:05,680 Speaker 1: so glad Brian's on because I don't understand navigation systems, 178 00:11:06,200 --> 00:11:09,960 Speaker 1: but I understand geography and I understand data, and the 179 00:11:10,080 --> 00:11:12,480 Speaker 1: data is telling us that there's a period of time 180 00:11:12,559 --> 00:11:15,000 Speaker 1: that when you map this out on a map and 181 00:11:15,080 --> 00:11:18,240 Speaker 1: you look at those rural roads in that system that 182 00:11:18,280 --> 00:11:21,040 Speaker 1: would take him from point A to point B if 183 00:11:21,080 --> 00:11:23,960 Speaker 1: in fact, he really did show up there. The time 184 00:11:24,160 --> 00:11:26,960 Speaker 1: fits the story, and this is where I think the 185 00:11:27,000 --> 00:11:31,360 Speaker 1: prosecution needs to maybe simplify the message to the jury. 186 00:11:31,400 --> 00:11:33,280 Speaker 1: And I hope I love the idea you had about 187 00:11:33,360 --> 00:11:36,520 Speaker 1: possibly getting this on a map and showing him and 188 00:11:36,600 --> 00:11:40,480 Speaker 1: simplifying it that, Hey, during this sixteen minute period of time, 189 00:11:40,840 --> 00:11:43,559 Speaker 1: look how far he could have traveled. Yes, he could 190 00:11:43,559 --> 00:11:46,800 Speaker 1: have traveled to the location of those homicides. Yes he 191 00:11:46,840 --> 00:11:49,840 Speaker 1: could have made it to his parents home and after 192 00:11:49,880 --> 00:11:52,960 Speaker 1: the homicides. If all the theories are correct that the 193 00:11:53,040 --> 00:11:56,920 Speaker 1: prosecution's laid out, including the theory of stopping long enough 194 00:11:56,960 --> 00:12:01,720 Speaker 1: to displace a telephone twenty one minutes going back isn't 195 00:12:01,720 --> 00:12:03,560 Speaker 1: out of line either, And the going in and out 196 00:12:03,559 --> 00:12:06,080 Speaker 1: of park doesn't bug me too much because to me, 197 00:12:06,160 --> 00:12:10,200 Speaker 1: that talks to the disorganization once this thing has happened, 198 00:12:10,440 --> 00:12:12,480 Speaker 1: of what am I gonna do? Am I going into 199 00:12:12,520 --> 00:12:14,880 Speaker 1: park out of park? In those seconds that we're playing 200 00:12:14,920 --> 00:12:18,040 Speaker 1: back and forth. I think it's a really powerful testimony. 201 00:12:18,160 --> 00:12:35,480 Speaker 1: Today time stories with Nancy Grace. I'm cross referencing right 202 00:12:35,480 --> 00:12:38,440 Speaker 1: now with the Ultimate Guide to the Evidence, which is 203 00:12:38,440 --> 00:12:41,079 Speaker 1: my little trial note, but where I'm writing everything down 204 00:12:41,880 --> 00:12:45,480 Speaker 1: and hey, Christine, can you flip through? And said, if 205 00:12:45,480 --> 00:12:48,040 Speaker 1: you could flip through, what was the time that Murdog 206 00:12:48,920 --> 00:12:52,720 Speaker 1: called nine one one? In my head, I've got ten 207 00:12:52,840 --> 00:12:55,400 Speaker 1: h six, but I want to make sure of that 208 00:12:55,440 --> 00:12:57,640 Speaker 1: because I'm not seeing it in my notes. I know 209 00:12:57,720 --> 00:13:01,480 Speaker 1: that at nine fifty eight, text comes in from the 210 00:13:01,559 --> 00:13:05,800 Speaker 1: friend Paul Rogan that was never answered, but I need 211 00:13:05,840 --> 00:13:11,360 Speaker 1: to know when that phone call was made. And I'm sorry, yes, 212 00:13:11,520 --> 00:13:14,240 Speaker 1: did you say nine oh six? Is she saying nine 213 00:13:14,280 --> 00:13:17,320 Speaker 1: or ten? Ten oh six? Ten or six? Thanks Christine. 214 00:13:18,000 --> 00:13:22,479 Speaker 1: And with that in mind, and you know that the 215 00:13:22,559 --> 00:13:27,400 Speaker 1: last text that Maggie read was at eight forty nine. 216 00:13:27,440 --> 00:13:31,480 Speaker 1: She actively read that text and then everything goes dead 217 00:13:31,520 --> 00:13:34,360 Speaker 1: at eight forty nine thirty five. She read the text 218 00:13:34,400 --> 00:13:37,000 Speaker 1: at eight forty nine twenty seven, Christine, could you put 219 00:13:37,040 --> 00:13:40,920 Speaker 1: the car movements up there again? That was brilliant the 220 00:13:40,960 --> 00:13:43,800 Speaker 1: way that you broke that down, because that's exactly what 221 00:13:43,840 --> 00:13:46,640 Speaker 1: the jury is gonna want to see so they can 222 00:13:46,760 --> 00:13:50,840 Speaker 1: understand nine oh three, he turns his car on whoa whoa, 223 00:13:50,880 --> 00:13:53,920 Speaker 1: whoa whoa. Wait, leave it right there, nine oh three, 224 00:13:54,040 --> 00:13:57,520 Speaker 1: because we believe the shootings and murders the carb at 225 00:13:57,559 --> 00:14:02,640 Speaker 1: eight forty nine. At nine three, he's still at the house. 226 00:14:03,240 --> 00:14:06,360 Speaker 1: He is still at the murder scene. The way I'm 227 00:14:06,400 --> 00:14:10,200 Speaker 1: reading this is suv boots up cars running nine oh six. 228 00:14:10,640 --> 00:14:13,280 Speaker 1: I wonder what he was sitting there in the car thinking, Oh, 229 00:14:13,320 --> 00:14:16,320 Speaker 1: dear Lord in heaven. Nine oh six. He pulls out 230 00:14:16,880 --> 00:14:18,960 Speaker 1: and there he goes. Can I see the next one, Christine? 231 00:14:20,720 --> 00:14:23,280 Speaker 1: Nine oh six. He pulls out, takes it out of 232 00:14:23,360 --> 00:14:27,440 Speaker 1: park nine twenty two. He's made it to his mother's home. 233 00:14:28,200 --> 00:14:31,920 Speaker 1: He parks nine forty three. He goes out of park 234 00:14:32,040 --> 00:14:35,520 Speaker 1: nine forty three, it goes back into park nine forty four. 235 00:14:36,920 --> 00:14:40,280 Speaker 1: He's leaving his mother's house. He takes it out of park. 236 00:14:41,040 --> 00:14:43,920 Speaker 1: All right, let's see what happens then. So between forty 237 00:14:43,960 --> 00:14:48,000 Speaker 1: four he gets back to Mozelle. At ten pm, the 238 00:14:48,080 --> 00:14:51,200 Speaker 1: car goes into park and I don't know what he's 239 00:14:51,240 --> 00:14:53,800 Speaker 1: doing right there, going in and out, in and out 240 00:14:54,160 --> 00:14:58,640 Speaker 1: multiple times. At ten oh one, do you have another graph? 241 00:14:58,640 --> 00:15:00,920 Speaker 1: Are you leaving it right there? Chris? Scene? Is there? 242 00:15:00,960 --> 00:15:05,360 Speaker 1: Another car goes into park at ten oh one, Oh, 243 00:15:05,360 --> 00:15:07,640 Speaker 1: you've got some more for me? Oh my goodness. He's 244 00:15:07,640 --> 00:15:09,920 Speaker 1: going in and out and in and out of park. 245 00:15:10,640 --> 00:15:15,320 Speaker 1: But Somewhere in that time he calls ten oh six, 246 00:15:15,400 --> 00:15:21,920 Speaker 1: he calls nine one one. Now that's interesting because can 247 00:15:21,960 --> 00:15:26,080 Speaker 1: you reverse, at Christine, exactly what you did not think 248 00:15:26,120 --> 00:15:28,040 Speaker 1: I was going to ask you to do to reverse 249 00:15:28,200 --> 00:15:31,920 Speaker 1: the graph? Okay, look at this. So when does he 250 00:15:32,000 --> 00:15:34,640 Speaker 1: even have time to go find the bodies? Because Mozille 251 00:15:34,680 --> 00:15:38,520 Speaker 1: is huge, it's what seventeen hundred acres. So he gets 252 00:15:38,520 --> 00:15:41,520 Speaker 1: there at ten pm, he's still going in and out 253 00:15:41,520 --> 00:15:45,960 Speaker 1: of park in his car ten oh one, ten oh one, 254 00:15:46,120 --> 00:15:49,720 Speaker 1: ten oh one, ten o one. Then at ten o 255 00:15:49,960 --> 00:15:54,240 Speaker 1: four he's still going in and out of park, and 256 00:15:54,560 --> 00:15:58,160 Speaker 1: at ten o six he calls nine one one. Did 257 00:15:58,200 --> 00:16:05,560 Speaker 1: he even go to the kennel? Look at that he's 258 00:16:05,600 --> 00:16:08,760 Speaker 1: screwed around in his car. Did he even go and 259 00:16:08,840 --> 00:16:11,480 Speaker 1: look at the bodies? Because ten oh six is the 260 00:16:11,520 --> 00:16:14,920 Speaker 1: time the nine one one call comes in. You know what, 261 00:16:15,320 --> 00:16:18,440 Speaker 1: Mike King, former police command or host of Profiling Evil 262 00:16:18,480 --> 00:16:24,160 Speaker 1: on YouTube, don't you just love modern technology? Oh it's 263 00:16:24,160 --> 00:16:27,440 Speaker 1: fantastic in these kinds of investigations, And as you apply 264 00:16:28,160 --> 00:16:32,560 Speaker 1: the behavioral science to it, you really start seeing this disorganization. 265 00:16:33,040 --> 00:16:35,480 Speaker 1: And I'm with you, I wonder if he even got 266 00:16:35,520 --> 00:16:37,360 Speaker 1: out of the car and headed over there before that 267 00:16:38,360 --> 00:16:41,120 Speaker 1: if in fact he returns to that location. But I 268 00:16:41,120 --> 00:16:43,440 Speaker 1: can just see in his mind him putting that thing 269 00:16:43,520 --> 00:16:46,160 Speaker 1: back in gear and out, like what on Earth am 270 00:16:46,160 --> 00:16:48,480 Speaker 1: I going to do? And the reality of what's happening 271 00:16:48,840 --> 00:16:50,920 Speaker 1: is starting unfold in front of him. He just gave 272 00:16:50,960 --> 00:16:54,400 Speaker 1: me an idea. I had a viewer right in on 273 00:16:54,480 --> 00:16:58,600 Speaker 1: social I wonder if Maggie had a fitbit or if 274 00:16:58,720 --> 00:17:04,119 Speaker 1: Murdog had a fitbit that would show us anything I'm 275 00:17:04,160 --> 00:17:06,920 Speaker 1: hearing in my ear. Ann Emerson is joining us WCIV. 276 00:17:07,040 --> 00:17:09,359 Speaker 1: But I want to go back to Brian darr And 277 00:17:09,720 --> 00:17:13,600 Speaker 1: we've been talking to a senior forensic engineer and tire expert. 278 00:17:14,320 --> 00:17:17,920 Speaker 1: At is the name of your business, US Forensic or 279 00:17:17,960 --> 00:17:21,000 Speaker 1: what's the name of your business? Brian, It's US Forensic, 280 00:17:21,760 --> 00:17:24,720 Speaker 1: that's my employer, and I can find you at tire 281 00:17:24,920 --> 00:17:29,760 Speaker 1: expert dot com. Okay, gotcha, Brian? What else? What all 282 00:17:29,920 --> 00:17:36,520 Speaker 1: can forensics experts learn from your vehicle? You can there's 283 00:17:36,680 --> 00:17:39,360 Speaker 1: quite a bit of information you can learn. The uh 284 00:17:40,000 --> 00:17:43,600 Speaker 1: they have airbag modules that record your speed, you know, say, 285 00:17:43,640 --> 00:17:48,040 Speaker 1: if you're in that collision. The infotainment system that's been 286 00:17:48,080 --> 00:17:53,120 Speaker 1: discussed at hand as a wealth of knowledge that can 287 00:17:53,160 --> 00:17:56,920 Speaker 1: be obtained from the vehicle. This is amazing to me. 288 00:17:57,400 --> 00:18:02,879 Speaker 1: I'm looking now inside of murders Chevy. Look at that. 289 00:18:03,000 --> 00:18:05,640 Speaker 1: It's it's a really big vehicle, and you're looking right 290 00:18:05,800 --> 00:18:09,680 Speaker 1: at the nav system. So I guess, Brian darv it's 291 00:18:09,720 --> 00:18:12,159 Speaker 1: got the nav system. I think it's Scott. We're going 292 00:18:12,200 --> 00:18:15,439 Speaker 1: to be able to tell exactly where he travels that evening, 293 00:18:15,440 --> 00:18:20,960 Speaker 1: at what time? Correct? Correct? Wow? Okay. Ann Emerson has 294 00:18:21,040 --> 00:18:24,600 Speaker 1: just made her way out of the courthouse thankfully today, 295 00:18:24,800 --> 00:18:28,040 Speaker 1: not because of a bomb threat, but for a lunch break. 296 00:18:28,119 --> 00:18:31,720 Speaker 1: An Emerson is joining us. She has an award winning 297 00:18:31,840 --> 00:18:36,640 Speaker 1: daily podcast, Unsolved South Carolina The Murderdog, Murders, Money and Mystery, 298 00:18:37,000 --> 00:18:40,040 Speaker 1: which is awesome. And I've really learned a lot from 299 00:18:40,040 --> 00:18:43,800 Speaker 1: your podcast, by the way, and we're just going through 300 00:18:44,240 --> 00:18:48,760 Speaker 1: everything that we can deduce from the one witness on 301 00:18:48,800 --> 00:18:53,760 Speaker 1: the stand, Dwight Falkowski, about the movements of Murdog's car 302 00:18:54,160 --> 00:18:58,080 Speaker 1: his suv. It's amazing, It is amazing, and Nancy, I 303 00:18:58,119 --> 00:19:00,560 Speaker 1: love the way that y'all are taking a part right 304 00:19:00,600 --> 00:19:02,720 Speaker 1: at the end too. I'm learning something from what y'all 305 00:19:02,720 --> 00:19:05,920 Speaker 1: are talking about as well. Because as you've said, we 306 00:19:05,960 --> 00:19:10,840 Speaker 1: haven't gotten that visual representation of what this timeline looks 307 00:19:10,840 --> 00:19:13,560 Speaker 1: like except for the work that we're doing ourselves right now. 308 00:19:13,800 --> 00:19:16,639 Speaker 1: We're all doing the same thing as journalists, trying to 309 00:19:16,880 --> 00:19:20,679 Speaker 1: piece together this timeline that is very specific off of 310 00:19:20,680 --> 00:19:26,040 Speaker 1: this this on Star car information. You know, it's amazing, 311 00:19:26,080 --> 00:19:28,679 Speaker 1: as you said, what technology can do, and just coming 312 00:19:28,760 --> 00:19:30,960 Speaker 1: up with what you were just talking about that that 313 00:19:31,119 --> 00:19:36,240 Speaker 1: very very narrow time period of when that car return 314 00:19:36,320 --> 00:19:40,760 Speaker 1: to Mozelle and and you know when it stopped, I 315 00:19:40,760 --> 00:19:43,040 Speaker 1: mean that is very important, and when that nine one 316 00:19:43,160 --> 00:19:46,440 Speaker 1: one call was placed. Now, what we're hearing today as 317 00:19:46,480 --> 00:19:50,080 Speaker 1: I'm just coming out of the courtroom, is another layer 318 00:19:50,480 --> 00:19:53,760 Speaker 1: of this information that we can go into. With the 319 00:19:53,880 --> 00:19:57,359 Speaker 1: testimony that has now been given by Chris Wilson in 320 00:19:57,560 --> 00:20:00,760 Speaker 1: court to the jury. We've heard him, and we've heard 321 00:20:00,840 --> 00:20:04,520 Speaker 1: him in camera without the jury present. We've heard him today. 322 00:20:04,640 --> 00:20:08,159 Speaker 1: This is his best friend, This is Alec Murdoch's best friend, 323 00:20:09,280 --> 00:20:13,480 Speaker 1: has worked with him for years and years personally and professionally, 324 00:20:14,400 --> 00:20:16,720 Speaker 1: and he adds to this timeline as well. So we've 325 00:20:16,720 --> 00:20:19,040 Speaker 1: got a whole another set of numbers we got to 326 00:20:19,040 --> 00:20:20,680 Speaker 1: deal with. Now, Yeah, you know what I was trying 327 00:20:20,720 --> 00:20:24,359 Speaker 1: to do in court when everything was happen, you know, 328 00:20:24,880 --> 00:20:28,480 Speaker 1: pouring from the witness stand, was taking notes, and when 329 00:20:28,520 --> 00:20:32,080 Speaker 1: we were doing the cell phone data a couple of 330 00:20:32,160 --> 00:20:34,280 Speaker 1: days ago, it was right down to the second. At 331 00:20:34,280 --> 00:20:38,600 Speaker 1: eight forty nine twenty seven, Maggie reads a text on 332 00:20:38,680 --> 00:20:42,680 Speaker 1: the group thread about mister Randolph Murdoch's father at eight 333 00:20:42,760 --> 00:20:49,280 Speaker 1: forty nine thirty five, the friend Rogie Rogan Gibson wrote, 334 00:20:50,000 --> 00:20:53,280 Speaker 1: but it was never read. And that's where I'm getting 335 00:20:53,440 --> 00:20:56,320 Speaker 1: the time of the murders between eight forty nine twenty 336 00:20:56,320 --> 00:20:59,840 Speaker 1: seven and eight forty nine thirty five. And now we've 337 00:20:59,840 --> 00:21:04,679 Speaker 1: got this overlay of the car data where Murdog is 338 00:21:04,720 --> 00:21:09,000 Speaker 1: in his car fumbling around at nine oh six, so 339 00:21:09,160 --> 00:21:14,160 Speaker 1: that's sixteen minutes later. He's already. We know he's there 340 00:21:14,440 --> 00:21:17,960 Speaker 1: because we saw the snapchat video. We know he's there 341 00:21:17,960 --> 00:21:20,600 Speaker 1: in the kennels. He's made his way all around from 342 00:21:20,640 --> 00:21:23,880 Speaker 1: the kennels to where his vehicle is part. Oh, Christine, 343 00:21:23,920 --> 00:21:28,720 Speaker 1: could you give me an aerial of Mozelle, Because when 344 00:21:28,760 --> 00:21:31,359 Speaker 1: many of us think about dashing out and getting into 345 00:21:31,400 --> 00:21:34,240 Speaker 1: our minivan or a car, it's just a few steps. 346 00:21:34,600 --> 00:21:38,480 Speaker 1: But not so with Moselle. It's oh wow, Okay, there 347 00:21:38,480 --> 00:21:41,679 Speaker 1: it is. The cars are parked off to the left, 348 00:21:41,760 --> 00:21:46,600 Speaker 1: and you've got the kennels. It's huge. It's a huge property. 349 00:21:46,880 --> 00:21:49,080 Speaker 1: So you've got to get from the kennels where the 350 00:21:49,080 --> 00:21:53,520 Speaker 1: bodies were all the way to your vehicle by foot, 351 00:21:54,359 --> 00:21:59,359 Speaker 1: so you've got eight basically eight fifty. And then he's 352 00:21:59,400 --> 00:22:04,239 Speaker 1: in the car cranking up at nine oh six. But 353 00:22:04,320 --> 00:22:08,200 Speaker 1: yet he says he wasn't there when the murders occurred. 354 00:22:10,000 --> 00:22:14,280 Speaker 1: You know, I've got so much more data evidence, but 355 00:22:14,320 --> 00:22:17,120 Speaker 1: I want to go straight to what and Emerson from 356 00:22:17,240 --> 00:22:22,600 Speaker 1: WCIV just brought up because she's right, it was riveting. 357 00:22:22,760 --> 00:22:25,960 Speaker 1: It's the only you couldn't take your eyes off this 358 00:22:26,080 --> 00:22:31,000 Speaker 1: witness testifying. It's Chris Wilson in our cut ten. Listen 359 00:22:31,040 --> 00:22:33,800 Speaker 1: to this. We were standing around in the driveway talking 360 00:22:33,800 --> 00:22:36,520 Speaker 1: and I think it was Lee Co, Mark Ball. I 361 00:22:36,560 --> 00:22:39,679 Speaker 1: don't remember if Ronnie Crosby was in that conversation. A 362 00:22:39,720 --> 00:22:43,960 Speaker 1: couple other people, and there was some discussion about lex 363 00:22:44,040 --> 00:22:49,080 Speaker 1: interaction with Sled, and the discussion that was had was, look, 364 00:22:49,440 --> 00:22:52,880 Speaker 1: he probably doesn't need to interact with Sled without buy himself, 365 00:22:52,920 --> 00:22:54,600 Speaker 1: because I don't know what state of mind he's in 366 00:22:54,680 --> 00:22:57,800 Speaker 1: and don't know what the circumstances are, But he also 367 00:22:57,880 --> 00:23:00,399 Speaker 1: doesn't need seven or eight lawyers trying to ask him 368 00:23:00,440 --> 00:23:02,480 Speaker 1: or deal with him. I made it very clear that 369 00:23:02,520 --> 00:23:04,280 Speaker 1: I wanted to be his friend and not his lawyer, 370 00:23:04,680 --> 00:23:08,760 Speaker 1: and that I didn't feel comfortable without um and um 371 00:23:09,320 --> 00:23:11,159 Speaker 1: that one person needed to be for lack of a 372 00:23:11,160 --> 00:23:14,880 Speaker 1: better term, the point person, he was destroyed, He was upset, 373 00:23:17,560 --> 00:23:19,879 Speaker 1: and I don't know whether he need, whether he was 374 00:23:19,920 --> 00:23:21,720 Speaker 1: able to talk with SLED at that point in time 375 00:23:21,760 --> 00:23:24,439 Speaker 1: by himself or not, but I knew that that's not 376 00:23:24,560 --> 00:23:28,199 Speaker 1: something that somebody should do. Why did his best friend 377 00:23:28,880 --> 00:23:32,000 Speaker 1: not want him to speak to SLED? South Carolina Law 378 00:23:32,119 --> 00:23:38,520 Speaker 1: Enforcement Division? Why? Because, you know, Ann Emerson, if someone 379 00:23:38,560 --> 00:23:42,560 Speaker 1: in my family, god forbid, had been murdered, I'd want 380 00:23:42,560 --> 00:23:47,880 Speaker 1: to find out who who murdered my husband, who murdered 381 00:23:48,200 --> 00:23:51,520 Speaker 1: my child, And no matter how upset I would be, 382 00:23:51,680 --> 00:23:56,080 Speaker 1: I would want that person caught and brought to justice. 383 00:23:57,280 --> 00:24:00,720 Speaker 1: So why would Chris Wilson not want his best friend 384 00:24:01,040 --> 00:24:04,439 Speaker 1: Murdoch to speak to SLED. Well, he didn't say that 385 00:24:04,440 --> 00:24:05,800 Speaker 1: he didn't want to speak to us, that he didn't 386 00:24:05,800 --> 00:24:08,960 Speaker 1: want him to speak to sled without an attorney president, 387 00:24:09,040 --> 00:24:11,040 Speaker 1: and he didn't want to be the attorney president. From 388 00:24:11,080 --> 00:24:13,280 Speaker 1: that's the way I kind of read what he was saying, 389 00:24:13,640 --> 00:24:18,040 Speaker 1: But there was there's a lot underneath. There's it's it's 390 00:24:18,480 --> 00:24:21,680 Speaker 1: one of those optics that are coming across that all 391 00:24:21,760 --> 00:24:24,800 Speaker 1: of his friends were lawyers. All of them that were 392 00:24:24,880 --> 00:24:28,160 Speaker 1: there that were his close friends that we've been hearing 393 00:24:28,200 --> 00:24:32,560 Speaker 1: about in this testimony were also lawyers. So they were 394 00:24:32,920 --> 00:24:35,400 Speaker 1: trying to figure out, Okay, who's going to deal with 395 00:24:35,440 --> 00:24:38,600 Speaker 1: this basically, and from what we could gather, this was 396 00:24:38,800 --> 00:24:41,720 Speaker 1: not something that Chris Wilson was prepared to do. For 397 00:24:41,720 --> 00:24:44,000 Speaker 1: whatever reason, he was not going to get into the 398 00:24:44,000 --> 00:24:46,960 Speaker 1: middle of this. So I think that that he was 399 00:24:47,040 --> 00:24:51,080 Speaker 1: also concerned. I don't know why, and we haven't heard 400 00:24:51,119 --> 00:24:53,800 Speaker 1: all of it yet, but you know, Chris Wilson was 401 00:24:53,840 --> 00:24:57,720 Speaker 1: obviously very concerned because he was in His friend Alec 402 00:24:57,800 --> 00:25:01,520 Speaker 1: Murdoch was in such terrible shape that night when he 403 00:25:01,560 --> 00:25:03,920 Speaker 1: was talking to Chris. There was no way he was 404 00:25:03,960 --> 00:25:06,240 Speaker 1: going to get a story out that was that was 405 00:25:06,280 --> 00:25:08,600 Speaker 1: going to be of any benefit. So I think that's 406 00:25:08,600 --> 00:25:11,000 Speaker 1: where they were going with it from there. But you know, 407 00:25:11,240 --> 00:25:15,800 Speaker 1: really I thought the prosecution, Nancy setting up the whole 408 00:25:15,840 --> 00:25:19,560 Speaker 1: backstory with Chris Wilson, and they really went through it. 409 00:25:19,600 --> 00:25:21,919 Speaker 1: I mean, this was hours of testimony this morning that 410 00:25:22,000 --> 00:25:25,240 Speaker 1: he was on the stand, really setting up this relationship 411 00:25:25,240 --> 00:25:29,960 Speaker 1: and how he trusted him implicitly. There was no there 412 00:25:30,000 --> 00:25:33,679 Speaker 1: was no question that Alec Murdoch was in his mind 413 00:25:33,720 --> 00:25:36,040 Speaker 1: a good guy and would do the right thing every time. 414 00:25:36,160 --> 00:25:39,680 Speaker 1: It was incredible to hear how this all took us 415 00:25:39,720 --> 00:25:43,280 Speaker 1: all the way through these double murders. And of course, 416 00:25:43,480 --> 00:25:48,119 Speaker 1: Joshua Ritter, when you have a faithful and loyal best 417 00:25:48,160 --> 00:25:52,360 Speaker 1: friend on the stand, the first line of cross examination 418 00:25:52,520 --> 00:25:55,520 Speaker 1: is you knew him so well, but I bet you 419 00:25:55,560 --> 00:25:58,760 Speaker 1: didn't know that he had an opioid problem, did you? 420 00:25:58,960 --> 00:26:01,560 Speaker 1: I bet you didn't know that he had outrightd stolen 421 00:26:02,080 --> 00:26:05,520 Speaker 1: about eight million dollars from his clients and his law firm. 422 00:26:05,720 --> 00:26:09,000 Speaker 1: Did you know that? Did you know he persuaded someone 423 00:26:09,080 --> 00:26:10,560 Speaker 1: to shoot him in the head to try to get 424 00:26:10,600 --> 00:26:13,719 Speaker 1: insurance benefits? Youne him so well, but you didn't know that, 425 00:26:13,920 --> 00:26:18,280 Speaker 1: did you? As exactly where the cross can go. I mean, 426 00:26:18,720 --> 00:26:22,040 Speaker 1: this has turned itself into a character trial, which is 427 00:26:22,080 --> 00:26:24,479 Speaker 1: kind of unfortunate, I think for the prosecution they may 428 00:26:24,520 --> 00:26:26,880 Speaker 1: have gotten a little too cute by half by trying 429 00:26:26,920 --> 00:26:30,600 Speaker 1: to introduce all of that financial crimes evidence, because they've 430 00:26:30,600 --> 00:26:33,120 Speaker 1: really turned it into a character trial. And now it's 431 00:26:33,119 --> 00:26:35,640 Speaker 1: going to come down to a question for jurors, partially 432 00:26:35,680 --> 00:26:39,320 Speaker 1: at least it does he have the motive to do 433 00:26:39,359 --> 00:26:42,280 Speaker 1: this based upon his character, based upon all the evidence 434 00:26:42,320 --> 00:26:44,320 Speaker 1: we've heard about him before, now the troubles that he 435 00:26:44,359 --> 00:26:46,359 Speaker 1: was dealing with, but also being such a good person. 436 00:26:46,600 --> 00:26:48,399 Speaker 1: Do we believe this is the type of person to 437 00:26:48,440 --> 00:26:50,639 Speaker 1: commit this crime? And I don't know if that is 438 00:26:50,920 --> 00:26:54,080 Speaker 1: the direction the prosecution intended when they first started out 439 00:26:54,119 --> 00:26:59,440 Speaker 1: on this trial. Mister Ritter, you are familiar with motive evidence, 440 00:26:59,600 --> 00:27:03,719 Speaker 1: evidence that under some circumstances would be disallowed because it 441 00:27:03,760 --> 00:27:07,680 Speaker 1: touches on one's prior reputation or past bad acts, typically 442 00:27:07,720 --> 00:27:12,880 Speaker 1: disallowed at trial unless it proves motive, course of conduct, 443 00:27:13,400 --> 00:27:19,800 Speaker 1: frame of mind. True. Yes, No, isn't that true? Absolutely? Yeah? Okay, 444 00:27:19,960 --> 00:27:22,280 Speaker 1: so it can't come in a bad act, can come 445 00:27:22,280 --> 00:27:27,600 Speaker 1: into show motive, frame of mind, course of conduct intent, yes? Yes. 446 00:27:27,720 --> 00:27:30,800 Speaker 1: But I think where the prosecution may have some trouble 447 00:27:30,880 --> 00:27:34,120 Speaker 1: here is what is that motive I'm having trouble connecting 448 00:27:34,160 --> 00:27:37,119 Speaker 1: the dots of he was in a bunch of financial trouble. 449 00:27:37,520 --> 00:27:40,760 Speaker 1: He had some drug problems and therefore that caused him 450 00:27:40,800 --> 00:27:44,280 Speaker 1: to kill his wife and child. Where is the benefit 451 00:27:44,400 --> 00:27:46,879 Speaker 1: to his life by ending their life? I can tell 452 00:27:46,920 --> 00:27:49,520 Speaker 1: you that. I can tell you that Joshua, and I 453 00:27:49,520 --> 00:27:52,280 Speaker 1: don't know that the prosecution is going to say this plainly, 454 00:27:52,600 --> 00:27:56,400 Speaker 1: but as another lawyer said, and I'm quoting him problem solving. 455 00:27:56,960 --> 00:28:00,520 Speaker 1: He had a massive, multimillion dollar lawsuit file against his 456 00:28:00,640 --> 00:28:05,119 Speaker 1: family because of his son, now murdered, was drunk as 457 00:28:05,160 --> 00:28:07,520 Speaker 1: a scott and high as a kite on a boat 458 00:28:08,119 --> 00:28:11,400 Speaker 1: and a beautiful young girl, Mallory Beach goes spinning off 459 00:28:11,400 --> 00:28:15,439 Speaker 1: the boat to her death. That lawsuit. Guess what. After 460 00:28:15,640 --> 00:28:20,879 Speaker 1: Paul's murder, that suit was settled. Maggie reportedly was seeking 461 00:28:20,880 --> 00:28:23,760 Speaker 1: out a divorce lawyer, which would also call in a 462 00:28:23,840 --> 00:28:29,200 Speaker 1: forensic account and all of his stealing, lying and bazzling 463 00:28:29,840 --> 00:28:34,600 Speaker 1: would come to light. So now there's now there's no 464 00:28:34,640 --> 00:28:38,200 Speaker 1: more divorce. Yes, please jump in, Nancy. There's something that 465 00:28:38,200 --> 00:28:41,000 Speaker 1: we have to talk about too, is the testimony that 466 00:28:41,000 --> 00:28:43,480 Speaker 1: we've already heard that has to go in front of 467 00:28:43,480 --> 00:28:46,040 Speaker 1: the jury. Still of some of the victims of these 468 00:28:46,080 --> 00:28:49,280 Speaker 1: alleged financial crimes. I'm using the word allegedly still, even 469 00:28:49,280 --> 00:28:52,640 Speaker 1: though Chris Wilson was talking about how he was hearing 470 00:28:53,040 --> 00:28:55,520 Speaker 1: Alec tell him that he had stolen money. So we're 471 00:28:55,560 --> 00:28:58,640 Speaker 1: now getting those kind of witness accounts to what Alec 472 00:28:58,720 --> 00:29:04,160 Speaker 1: Murdoch has said, Nancy, the testimony that we are going 473 00:29:04,200 --> 00:29:08,360 Speaker 1: to hear if they if they come in of Tony Satterfield, 474 00:29:08,680 --> 00:29:12,240 Speaker 1: this young man who lost his mother and then um 475 00:29:12,280 --> 00:29:14,960 Speaker 1: Alec has already done admitted to owing money, that he 476 00:29:15,080 --> 00:29:17,440 Speaker 1: stole four point three million dollars from these kids from 477 00:29:17,480 --> 00:29:23,040 Speaker 1: an insurance settlement that he helped manufacturer. Not only that, 478 00:29:23,120 --> 00:29:25,240 Speaker 1: but you know who I saw and I don't know 479 00:29:25,280 --> 00:29:26,960 Speaker 1: if you know this name right off the top, but 480 00:29:27,080 --> 00:29:30,320 Speaker 1: Elena Pliler. I just saw her walk into the back 481 00:29:30,400 --> 00:29:34,840 Speaker 1: into the witness area of the courtroom. This is another 482 00:29:35,040 --> 00:29:39,880 Speaker 1: young woman who was completely taken to the cleaners at 483 00:29:39,920 --> 00:29:46,040 Speaker 1: times by the financial manipulation. So these are what they 484 00:29:46,120 --> 00:29:49,720 Speaker 1: what the prosecution is doing is setting up this if 485 00:29:49,760 --> 00:29:52,440 Speaker 1: they are looking at character, let's look at the character 486 00:29:52,560 --> 00:29:55,960 Speaker 1: of how these crimes were committed and in the state 487 00:29:56,000 --> 00:29:59,240 Speaker 1: of mind of the defendant during that period that he 488 00:29:59,240 --> 00:30:04,000 Speaker 1: could completely divorced himself from all of what was going 489 00:30:04,080 --> 00:30:07,160 Speaker 1: on in the world, like in order to go on 490 00:30:07,200 --> 00:30:09,840 Speaker 1: a holiday or pay a credit card off. We're talking 491 00:30:09,880 --> 00:30:14,280 Speaker 1: about ninety nine alleged financial crimes right now that he's 492 00:30:14,360 --> 00:30:20,640 Speaker 1: facing for money laundering, financial fraud. These are as, as 493 00:30:20,760 --> 00:30:25,320 Speaker 1: my legal analyst Charlie Connon, who's a former attorney general 494 00:30:25,320 --> 00:30:28,360 Speaker 1: who I've been working with on this case as well 495 00:30:28,400 --> 00:30:30,600 Speaker 1: and talking to quite a bit, he said, these are 496 00:30:30,640 --> 00:30:35,280 Speaker 1: white collar crimes that have just turned red blood. They 497 00:30:35,320 --> 00:30:39,360 Speaker 1: are red blood color crime. That is what the prosecution 498 00:30:39,480 --> 00:30:42,360 Speaker 1: is trying to set up. And he was definitely going 499 00:30:42,400 --> 00:30:48,160 Speaker 1: to be disbarred, ruining his family's reputation, the father, the grandfather, 500 00:30:48,280 --> 00:30:53,640 Speaker 1: the great grandfather, judges, prosecutors, lawyers until screeching halt with 501 00:30:53,680 --> 00:30:57,960 Speaker 1: Alex murdog Aside from that, and I hear you, Ritter, 502 00:30:58,240 --> 00:31:01,120 Speaker 1: I hear you loud and clear, how is are the 503 00:31:01,200 --> 00:31:04,440 Speaker 1: financial crimes motive for murder? But I think the prosecutor 504 00:31:04,480 --> 00:31:06,680 Speaker 1: is going to lay it out the way Anne Emerson did. 505 00:31:07,600 --> 00:31:09,840 Speaker 1: But I want to circle back to something that you 506 00:31:09,960 --> 00:31:15,240 Speaker 1: can't argue with, and that is hard, cold data. It's 507 00:31:15,320 --> 00:31:20,040 Speaker 1: my understanding and Emerson that it took an expert about 508 00:31:20,080 --> 00:31:23,960 Speaker 1: a year to put together this car evidence that we're 509 00:31:24,000 --> 00:31:27,440 Speaker 1: hearing today. It was a year. Yeah, absolutely, you're right, Nancy. 510 00:31:27,480 --> 00:31:30,400 Speaker 1: It tookome a year to get into this to unlock 511 00:31:30,480 --> 00:31:33,560 Speaker 1: the system. They literally said they had to reverse engineer 512 00:31:33,800 --> 00:31:38,080 Speaker 1: the entire infotainment system in order to start pulling this 513 00:31:38,200 --> 00:31:40,320 Speaker 1: information out, and they still weren't able to get it 514 00:31:40,440 --> 00:31:43,480 Speaker 1: all from what they were what we gather so far. 515 00:31:44,480 --> 00:31:47,120 Speaker 1: But what they did get were these stops and starts 516 00:31:47,160 --> 00:31:50,880 Speaker 1: with the car, which were so interesting within this timeline. 517 00:31:51,040 --> 00:31:53,160 Speaker 1: But you know, Nancy, and this is something else that 518 00:31:53,160 --> 00:31:56,600 Speaker 1: we're sort of deducing from what we're hearing now, and 519 00:31:56,640 --> 00:31:59,280 Speaker 1: we were talking about this amongst ourselves a little bit, 520 00:31:59,360 --> 00:32:05,200 Speaker 1: is that the this timeline of when we actually heard 521 00:32:05,240 --> 00:32:08,280 Speaker 1: about an arrangement for these murder charges, for the double 522 00:32:08,360 --> 00:32:11,360 Speaker 1: murder charges, we all down here we're wondering, why is 523 00:32:11,400 --> 00:32:14,640 Speaker 1: it taking so long for the prosecution, because we've been 524 00:32:14,680 --> 00:32:17,760 Speaker 1: hearing rumors forever that they were going to be going 525 00:32:17,800 --> 00:32:21,080 Speaker 1: after Alec Murdock. Now we know it's gonna be a 526 00:32:21,200 --> 00:32:25,600 Speaker 1: year to unlock this system of navigation. It took them 527 00:32:26,640 --> 00:32:31,680 Speaker 1: how long? Nine months after the murders to unlock Paul's phone. 528 00:32:32,080 --> 00:32:36,080 Speaker 1: We know how important that dog video and audio is. 529 00:32:36,200 --> 00:32:41,120 Speaker 1: Now with the defendants what several witnesses have already said 530 00:32:41,160 --> 00:32:43,960 Speaker 1: as the defendant's voice. Let me circle back to Brian Dahar, 531 00:32:44,240 --> 00:32:48,800 Speaker 1: senior forensic engineer and tire expert with tire expert dot com. 532 00:32:49,720 --> 00:32:53,080 Speaker 1: I'm curious as to how you became a forensic engineer, 533 00:32:53,520 --> 00:32:57,920 Speaker 1: but that is for another day. Brian Dahar, I heard 534 00:32:58,080 --> 00:33:02,600 Speaker 1: that it took about a year to unlock all of 535 00:33:02,680 --> 00:33:06,840 Speaker 1: the data we're getting from Alex Murdog's suburban, and it's 536 00:33:06,960 --> 00:33:09,080 Speaker 1: a lot of data. I can tell every time he 537 00:33:09,120 --> 00:33:11,120 Speaker 1: turned the car on, when he put it in park, 538 00:33:11,280 --> 00:33:13,600 Speaker 1: when he took it out of park. The NAW system 539 00:33:13,760 --> 00:33:16,240 Speaker 1: can probably tell me where he went, what time he 540 00:33:16,360 --> 00:33:18,640 Speaker 1: got there, what time he got back in the car 541 00:33:18,880 --> 00:33:22,880 Speaker 1: and drove again. Why would it take a year? Did 542 00:33:22,960 --> 00:33:25,680 Speaker 1: you hear her and Emerson state it took about a 543 00:33:25,760 --> 00:33:29,680 Speaker 1: year to reverse engineer the infotainment system. What does that mean? 544 00:33:31,920 --> 00:33:34,400 Speaker 1: What it means to me is that the data was 545 00:33:34,480 --> 00:33:38,280 Speaker 1: somehow encrypted and that they had to go in basically 546 00:33:38,400 --> 00:33:42,600 Speaker 1: line by line, maybe right an algorithm to understand the 547 00:33:42,760 --> 00:33:47,080 Speaker 1: data that's there and quote unquote reverse engineering. Okay, when 548 00:33:47,120 --> 00:33:51,880 Speaker 1: you said encrypt and unencrypted, Now I understand why it 549 00:33:52,000 --> 00:33:54,760 Speaker 1: took them a year, you know, Mike King joined me, 550 00:33:54,840 --> 00:34:00,320 Speaker 1: former police commander, host of Profiling Evil on YouTube and author, Mike. 551 00:34:01,560 --> 00:34:04,360 Speaker 1: You know, we hear it all the time when members 552 00:34:04,440 --> 00:34:08,319 Speaker 1: of the public, and I agree with them as well, 553 00:34:09,120 --> 00:34:12,200 Speaker 1: saying why is there an arrest? We know phill in 554 00:34:12,280 --> 00:34:15,760 Speaker 1: the blank did it? Why is it he behind bars? 555 00:34:16,520 --> 00:34:20,279 Speaker 1: Now we see why, because it took a year to 556 00:34:21,280 --> 00:34:25,640 Speaker 1: crack this encrypted code on Murdoch's suburban. They had to 557 00:34:26,200 --> 00:34:30,560 Speaker 1: crack the code on Paul's cell phone, a lot of 558 00:34:30,800 --> 00:34:35,120 Speaker 1: technical data. How to police handle it when the public is, 559 00:34:35,719 --> 00:34:42,200 Speaker 1: you know, running at them with pitchforks and torches and spikes. 560 00:34:42,360 --> 00:34:45,080 Speaker 1: We want justice. How do you handle that? Yeah, it's 561 00:34:45,080 --> 00:34:48,360 Speaker 1: a lot of pressure that's placed on investigators and frankly 562 00:34:48,440 --> 00:34:52,080 Speaker 1: the administrations to move the case along faster. But I 563 00:34:52,160 --> 00:34:54,800 Speaker 1: think you set up before, Nancy. I've heard it many times. 564 00:34:55,200 --> 00:34:57,799 Speaker 1: You really only get one dip at the well when 565 00:34:57,840 --> 00:35:00,080 Speaker 1: you take this thing to trial. So you gotta have 566 00:35:00,160 --> 00:35:03,799 Speaker 1: all these pieces and parts lined up, and you got 567 00:35:03,880 --> 00:35:05,560 Speaker 1: to have him ready to go in a way that 568 00:35:05,680 --> 00:35:08,719 Speaker 1: the jury can understand them, because all it takes is 569 00:35:08,800 --> 00:35:11,560 Speaker 1: a couple of people in some places one and many 570 00:35:12,000 --> 00:35:15,120 Speaker 1: to say I just don't buy it. And I love 571 00:35:15,840 --> 00:35:20,759 Speaker 1: analyzing all the data we're hearing. First of all, I'm 572 00:35:20,840 --> 00:35:26,280 Speaker 1: hearing from a courthouse source right now that Eddie cousin 573 00:35:26,560 --> 00:35:31,360 Speaker 1: Curtis Edward Smith is in the courthouse. Could he testify 574 00:35:31,480 --> 00:35:37,640 Speaker 1: this afternoon that Murdog was saying intently listening to the 575 00:35:37,719 --> 00:35:42,239 Speaker 1: car testimony as if he were learning something new. Now, 576 00:35:42,320 --> 00:35:45,400 Speaker 1: at least he's not chewing on something and eating. I 577 00:35:45,560 --> 00:35:51,320 Speaker 1: got flooded with social media questions about what is he eating? 578 00:35:51,600 --> 00:35:54,960 Speaker 1: Why is he eating right in front of the jury, 579 00:35:55,120 --> 00:35:57,440 Speaker 1: And you can hear their stomach is growling and Murdog 580 00:35:57,600 --> 00:36:01,760 Speaker 1: is eating at the table. Guys, we're trying to overlay 581 00:36:02,400 --> 00:36:05,920 Speaker 1: what we know about the car data, which shows that 582 00:36:06,040 --> 00:36:09,640 Speaker 1: he didn't leave Mozelle until about nine oh six, went 583 00:36:09,760 --> 00:36:12,279 Speaker 1: to his mother's, turned right around and came back. He 584 00:36:12,440 --> 00:36:17,520 Speaker 1: was only visiting his mother twenty one minutes. Okay, but 585 00:36:17,680 --> 00:36:23,560 Speaker 1: now an overlay of Maggie's phone activity, and this is significant. 586 00:36:23,880 --> 00:36:26,759 Speaker 1: Take a listen to our cut three. Well, first call 587 00:36:27,400 --> 00:36:30,920 Speaker 1: from Alex, what are the times for the call? That's 588 00:36:30,920 --> 00:36:34,680 Speaker 1: associated with Wines eleven to twelve. There at the same time. 589 00:36:35,360 --> 00:36:39,440 Speaker 1: It is six seven, twenty twenty one at nine oh 590 00:36:39,560 --> 00:36:42,960 Speaker 1: four twenty three pm. It has the name of Alex 591 00:36:43,360 --> 00:36:47,239 Speaker 1: direction shows incoming and it shows that it was a 592 00:36:47,360 --> 00:36:51,920 Speaker 1: miss call received on sixty seven, twenty twenty one at 593 00:36:52,040 --> 00:36:56,239 Speaker 1: nine oh six fifty one pm, nine eight fifty eight 594 00:36:56,480 --> 00:37:01,480 Speaker 1: PM from the phone number one three nine four two 595 00:37:01,880 --> 00:37:06,120 Speaker 1: one two two seven Alex to Maggie Murdoch. What does 596 00:37:06,160 --> 00:37:09,120 Speaker 1: that text say? It says, going to check on him, 597 00:37:09,440 --> 00:37:12,560 Speaker 1: be right back the last part Alex heard at ninety 598 00:37:12,640 --> 00:37:16,600 Speaker 1: six fifty one correct. Yes, Yeah, the text came from 599 00:37:16,640 --> 00:37:19,719 Speaker 1: Alex at nine week fifty eight correct. Yes, That entry 600 00:37:19,840 --> 00:37:24,520 Speaker 1: is at nine forty seven twenty three pm. And what 601 00:37:24,719 --> 00:37:27,800 Speaker 1: is that It is a text message that was received 602 00:37:27,840 --> 00:37:32,759 Speaker 1: on that from Alex says call me babe. It was 603 00:37:32,800 --> 00:37:36,880 Speaker 1: that text ever read? I know that's referencing the previous report. 604 00:37:37,520 --> 00:37:40,520 Speaker 1: Nest of that text is not read. Well, it wasn't 605 00:37:40,560 --> 00:37:45,960 Speaker 1: read because Maggie's already dead and I believe, like the prosecution, 606 00:37:46,040 --> 00:37:48,200 Speaker 1: that she was dead when Murdoch pulled out of the house, 607 00:37:48,760 --> 00:37:52,440 Speaker 1: out of Moselle to an Emerson, I want to overlay 608 00:37:52,640 --> 00:37:57,440 Speaker 1: what we just heard two the car starting and stopping, 609 00:37:57,880 --> 00:38:00,399 Speaker 1: going in and out of park. Christine, do you mind 610 00:38:00,480 --> 00:38:05,839 Speaker 1: putting up those entries one more time, because we've got 611 00:38:06,080 --> 00:38:12,800 Speaker 1: murdog at nine o four twenty three, and this is 612 00:38:12,840 --> 00:38:16,280 Speaker 1: Maggie's fine. We're looking at an incoming call from Murdock 613 00:38:16,320 --> 00:38:20,160 Speaker 1: at nine oh four. Now we know he's cranking his car. 614 00:38:20,320 --> 00:38:23,239 Speaker 1: The car is running, and the car is taken out 615 00:38:23,320 --> 00:38:26,520 Speaker 1: of park at nine oh six fifty right at nine 616 00:38:26,680 --> 00:38:30,719 Speaker 1: o seven. Then we have a text to him, I'm 617 00:38:30,760 --> 00:38:34,600 Speaker 1: gonna go check on m which is mom, I guess 618 00:38:35,040 --> 00:38:40,839 Speaker 1: be right back, and that is at nine o eight 619 00:38:41,000 --> 00:38:43,920 Speaker 1: I believe. Can we advance the chart? So at nine 620 00:38:44,000 --> 00:38:48,400 Speaker 1: oh eight he's texting all right, that means he is 621 00:38:48,920 --> 00:38:52,719 Speaker 1: en route. He's driving at that time, because the car 622 00:38:52,840 --> 00:38:57,319 Speaker 1: goes back in park at nine twenty two, And now 623 00:38:57,400 --> 00:39:01,840 Speaker 1: we've got him texting at nine oh eight. All this 624 00:39:02,080 --> 00:39:05,680 Speaker 1: time he's saying back and forth with Maggie. Of course 625 00:39:05,719 --> 00:39:09,800 Speaker 1: they're unread because she's dead. There's another entry at nine 626 00:39:10,320 --> 00:39:17,319 Speaker 1: four seven where he writes, call me babe, what does 627 00:39:17,400 --> 00:39:21,400 Speaker 1: this mean to you? And Emerson as you overlay the 628 00:39:21,560 --> 00:39:24,680 Speaker 1: evidence on top of each other to create a timeline. Well, 629 00:39:25,920 --> 00:39:27,920 Speaker 1: we are down to seconds, aren't we. I mean, we're 630 00:39:27,960 --> 00:39:30,880 Speaker 1: down to seconds and minutes, you know, And that is far, far, 631 00:39:31,000 --> 00:39:33,120 Speaker 1: far away from where we were just just a couple 632 00:39:33,160 --> 00:39:36,200 Speaker 1: of weeks ago. We had no idea that the prosecution 633 00:39:36,560 --> 00:39:40,799 Speaker 1: had really narrowed this down so hard with these with technology, 634 00:39:40,960 --> 00:39:43,240 Speaker 1: as you were saying, we got a whole nother layer 635 00:39:43,360 --> 00:39:46,800 Speaker 1: of it today, if from Chris Wilson as well, because 636 00:39:46,840 --> 00:39:49,279 Speaker 1: of course Chris Wilson was one of the people that 637 00:39:49,360 --> 00:39:52,399 Speaker 1: he called when he was in that car, and they 638 00:39:52,480 --> 00:39:54,960 Speaker 1: knew that through Verizon records, and they know that through 639 00:39:56,280 --> 00:39:59,680 Speaker 1: through his phone. They say that he talks about a 640 00:39:59,719 --> 00:40:02,520 Speaker 1: convert station he had with him at eleven nine eleven 641 00:40:02,680 --> 00:40:07,759 Speaker 1: PM as well, and that they talked again at nine twenty. 642 00:40:07,760 --> 00:40:10,239 Speaker 1: He said nine to eleven he had to call him back. 643 00:40:10,560 --> 00:40:14,240 Speaker 1: At nine twenty we heard that he had just gotten 644 00:40:14,239 --> 00:40:19,440 Speaker 1: to his mom's house. So this absolutely is starting to 645 00:40:19,560 --> 00:40:22,440 Speaker 1: line up. They are going to give us a blow 646 00:40:22,560 --> 00:40:26,200 Speaker 1: by blow description from the state of exactly where Alec 647 00:40:26,280 --> 00:40:29,080 Speaker 1: Murdoch was. What they're saying is we know where you 648 00:40:29,200 --> 00:40:32,480 Speaker 1: were the whole time, We know when these phones stopped, 649 00:40:32,520 --> 00:40:35,040 Speaker 1: and we know how these people use their phones. These 650 00:40:35,120 --> 00:40:38,560 Speaker 1: people were not, including himself, were people that use their 651 00:40:38,600 --> 00:40:41,720 Speaker 1: phones all the time, all the time. So Chris Wilson 652 00:40:41,880 --> 00:40:45,160 Speaker 1: is actually one of the people that Murdoch is calling 653 00:40:45,400 --> 00:40:49,239 Speaker 1: that night. Many would argue to establish his alibi. I 654 00:40:49,360 --> 00:40:53,400 Speaker 1: want you to hear about Chris Wilson, Murdoch's best friend, 655 00:40:53,840 --> 00:40:57,960 Speaker 1: talking about calls for Murdoch the night of the murders. 656 00:40:58,080 --> 00:41:02,280 Speaker 1: Take a listen hour cut seven. Does that reflect calls 657 00:41:02,440 --> 00:41:05,120 Speaker 1: from Eli Murdoch on the night of June seventh, twenty 658 00:41:05,200 --> 00:41:08,200 Speaker 1: twenty one, Yes, sir, he said, Hey, you know, Habo 659 00:41:08,360 --> 00:41:10,239 Speaker 1: is normally how he would greet you, Haybo. Did you 660 00:41:10,280 --> 00:41:13,480 Speaker 1: sound normal to you? Sounded normal, yes, sir. So you said, Hey, 661 00:41:13,600 --> 00:41:14,960 Speaker 1: I'm busy right now, let me call you back. What 662 00:41:15,080 --> 00:41:17,840 Speaker 1: did he say? He said, that's fine nine to eleven pm. 663 00:41:18,200 --> 00:41:21,680 Speaker 1: In coming from his cell phone, called Elok back nine 664 00:41:21,840 --> 00:41:26,279 Speaker 1: twenty pm. I generally say Heybo two and uh, you know, 665 00:41:26,360 --> 00:41:30,719 Speaker 1: Heybo calling you back us. He said, Hey, I'm about 666 00:41:30,719 --> 00:41:33,360 Speaker 1: to get into my mom's house. Can we talk a 667 00:41:33,400 --> 00:41:38,000 Speaker 1: little bit later? I told him sure. Um that's from 668 00:41:38,040 --> 00:41:40,719 Speaker 1: Elok to me at nine fifty two on June the seventh, 669 00:41:40,800 --> 00:41:43,160 Speaker 1: says called me if you up, picked up the phone 670 00:41:43,200 --> 00:41:44,680 Speaker 1: and gave him a call. Said, hey, I like I 671 00:41:44,760 --> 00:41:48,400 Speaker 1: got your text calling you back. Has your mama? He said, um, 672 00:41:48,920 --> 00:41:52,359 Speaker 1: you know she's you know, doing about like normal. I think, 673 00:41:52,400 --> 00:41:56,160 Speaker 1: I mean she'd been doing poorly for years. And he said, 674 00:41:56,160 --> 00:41:58,040 Speaker 1: I'm about to get back home. Can we can we 675 00:41:58,160 --> 00:42:00,840 Speaker 1: talk tomorrow. Pretty shortly after that, I went on the bed. So, 676 00:42:01,080 --> 00:42:04,640 Speaker 1: if the state is correct, Joshua ridd Or, criminal defense 677 00:42:04,680 --> 00:42:08,279 Speaker 1: attorney joining us out of LA. If the state is 678 00:42:08,320 --> 00:42:13,080 Speaker 1: correct in their allegations that murdog murdered his wife and son, 679 00:42:14,080 --> 00:42:17,720 Speaker 1: he is able to act perfectly normal on the phone 680 00:42:17,760 --> 00:42:21,280 Speaker 1: with his best friend. Yeah, that's that's hugely impactful evidence 681 00:42:21,360 --> 00:42:23,000 Speaker 1: for the defense and something I'm sure they're going to 682 00:42:23,080 --> 00:42:26,560 Speaker 1: draw home that. Listen, you're saying that a man, by 683 00:42:26,600 --> 00:42:31,440 Speaker 1: the way, didn't just commit your everyday type of murder here, 684 00:42:31,840 --> 00:42:35,239 Speaker 1: murdered his wife and child and it's cool as cool 685 00:42:35,239 --> 00:42:37,759 Speaker 1: as a cucumber on the phone with his best friend, 686 00:42:38,160 --> 00:42:41,520 Speaker 1: doesn't have a hint that anything is wrong. That's that's 687 00:42:41,600 --> 00:42:43,640 Speaker 1: powerful evidence for the defense. I don't care how you 688 00:42:43,760 --> 00:42:46,160 Speaker 1: cut it, and I think it's certainly something they're going 689 00:42:46,239 --> 00:42:48,640 Speaker 1: to remind yours of when they get into closing argument 690 00:42:48,719 --> 00:42:51,640 Speaker 1: that listen, a lot of this doesn't line up with 691 00:42:51,760 --> 00:42:54,680 Speaker 1: the prosecution's theory of what was taking place in when well, 692 00:42:54,680 --> 00:42:57,239 Speaker 1: I think it lines up exactly with what the prosecution 693 00:42:57,640 --> 00:43:02,680 Speaker 1: says the calls they data from the car that our 694 00:43:02,880 --> 00:43:05,880 Speaker 1: new friend Brian darr is explaining to us at office 695 00:43:05,920 --> 00:43:09,160 Speaker 1: together but doesn't fit together to me, is that he 696 00:43:09,600 --> 00:43:14,040 Speaker 1: is so calm when he calls his friend knowing he 697 00:43:14,160 --> 00:43:31,960 Speaker 1: just killed his wife and son. Crime stories with Nancy Grace, 698 00:43:33,560 --> 00:43:37,120 Speaker 1: you know, when you think it through to Mike King, 699 00:43:38,280 --> 00:43:43,040 Speaker 1: very often you see defendants act really calm after a murder. 700 00:43:43,120 --> 00:43:46,400 Speaker 1: I mean, do you remember Scott Peterson, Do you remember 701 00:43:46,520 --> 00:43:51,120 Speaker 1: Drew Peterson? I mean, so many there calm. As a 702 00:43:51,280 --> 00:43:56,640 Speaker 1: nun I remember sitting with professors at Harvard University talking 703 00:43:56,719 --> 00:44:02,240 Speaker 1: about this transitional thing and people finally make a decision, 704 00:44:02,800 --> 00:44:06,600 Speaker 1: there's a sense of calmness that comes. Even completing something 705 00:44:06,719 --> 00:44:09,600 Speaker 1: like this might bring that calmness. And yet I think 706 00:44:09,719 --> 00:44:11,760 Speaker 1: still when you look at some of the other evidence, 707 00:44:11,920 --> 00:44:13,880 Speaker 1: especially the move in the vehicle in and out of 708 00:44:13,960 --> 00:44:15,960 Speaker 1: park so many times, Nancy, I've said it a couple 709 00:44:16,000 --> 00:44:19,400 Speaker 1: of times, I think that is so indicative of the 710 00:44:19,600 --> 00:44:22,920 Speaker 1: disorganization that's starting to happen as the reality of what 711 00:44:23,040 --> 00:44:26,319 Speaker 1: he's gone through, as the adrenaline starts to drain off, 712 00:44:26,760 --> 00:44:28,759 Speaker 1: those kinds of things are going to play. And I 713 00:44:29,000 --> 00:44:31,680 Speaker 1: hope as this thing goes forward and as we start 714 00:44:31,760 --> 00:44:34,959 Speaker 1: looking at cellular location and other things in the case. 715 00:44:35,520 --> 00:44:40,759 Speaker 1: Now joining me a renowned expert doctorate, Michelle Duprie. Now 716 00:44:40,920 --> 00:44:44,480 Speaker 1: not only is she a pathologist and a medical examiner, 717 00:44:44,800 --> 00:44:49,080 Speaker 1: she's also a former detective. And let me tout one 718 00:44:49,120 --> 00:44:53,320 Speaker 1: more thing. She is the author of the Homicide Investigation 719 00:44:53,920 --> 00:44:59,279 Speaker 1: Field Guide. Now, Dupree, no aspersions to be cast on 720 00:44:59,360 --> 00:45:02,320 Speaker 1: the rest of our guests, but I was saving the 721 00:45:02,400 --> 00:45:09,359 Speaker 1: best for last. That's you, medical examiner, pathologist, detective. Now 722 00:45:09,440 --> 00:45:13,160 Speaker 1: that you've heard some of the technical data as explained 723 00:45:13,200 --> 00:45:18,040 Speaker 1: by Brian Daharr, the argument by Joshua Ritter, and our 724 00:45:18,120 --> 00:45:23,320 Speaker 1: former police commander Mike King, the facts from Anne Emerson, 725 00:45:23,960 --> 00:45:26,200 Speaker 1: what do you make of it? When Nancy, I think 726 00:45:26,239 --> 00:45:28,400 Speaker 1: this is very interesting. I think that a lot of 727 00:45:28,480 --> 00:45:32,120 Speaker 1: these things are what we call forensic countermeasures, which is 728 00:45:32,160 --> 00:45:36,919 Speaker 1: Alex trying to diffuse the situation, trying to cast doubt 729 00:45:37,040 --> 00:45:41,359 Speaker 1: on him and refer that to someone else. Remember, early 730 00:45:41,520 --> 00:45:45,280 Speaker 1: on in the investigation, he offered a reward one hundred 731 00:45:45,320 --> 00:45:48,719 Speaker 1: thousand dollars to find the killer of his wife and child. 732 00:45:49,200 --> 00:45:53,680 Speaker 1: Yet he put a time limit on it. Who does that? Also, 733 00:45:54,040 --> 00:45:57,880 Speaker 1: he was very cool, I think, and rather calculating. The 734 00:45:58,080 --> 00:46:00,719 Speaker 1: night of the interview, he's sitting in in the car 735 00:46:01,120 --> 00:46:05,480 Speaker 1: being interviewed by the officer and he's almost thinking about 736 00:46:05,600 --> 00:46:09,080 Speaker 1: everything that he's saying before he says it. To me, 737 00:46:09,760 --> 00:46:13,640 Speaker 1: That's just another indication of how cool this person can 738 00:46:13,760 --> 00:46:17,120 Speaker 1: be under such duress. I do think that the movement 739 00:46:17,160 --> 00:46:19,120 Speaker 1: of the car back and forth in and out of park, 740 00:46:20,040 --> 00:46:22,279 Speaker 1: he was starting to unravel. I mean, this has to 741 00:46:22,360 --> 00:46:26,200 Speaker 1: be a horrific scene, you know, horrific emotions even after 742 00:46:26,320 --> 00:46:30,240 Speaker 1: he has done this, allegedly done this. No, doctor Michelle Dupree, 743 00:46:30,719 --> 00:46:34,440 Speaker 1: you just reminded me about that time limit on the reward. 744 00:46:34,880 --> 00:46:38,799 Speaker 1: He gave a hundred thousand dollars reward if you can 745 00:46:38,960 --> 00:46:42,440 Speaker 1: solve this murder an x number of weeks and months. 746 00:46:42,800 --> 00:46:45,320 Speaker 1: I remember that, which I recall we discussed at the 747 00:46:45,400 --> 00:46:48,960 Speaker 1: time that it was very odd. Could you explain exactly 748 00:46:49,040 --> 00:46:52,960 Speaker 1: what you mean by a forensic countermeasure? Doctor Sure, a 749 00:46:53,040 --> 00:46:57,600 Speaker 1: forensic countermeasure is something that usually the perpetrator will do. 750 00:46:57,920 --> 00:47:01,200 Speaker 1: It's almost like staging the crime. I'm saying, it's something 751 00:47:01,280 --> 00:47:05,759 Speaker 1: to throw off the investigation, to make people look in 752 00:47:05,880 --> 00:47:09,760 Speaker 1: other directions rather than at the perpetrator. So Ann Emerson, 753 00:47:10,040 --> 00:47:13,760 Speaker 1: She's right. I recall when Murdo put out the reward 754 00:47:14,080 --> 00:47:15,960 Speaker 1: and he put a time limit on it. Do you 755 00:47:16,000 --> 00:47:19,400 Speaker 1: remember that that time so much was happening during September 756 00:47:19,520 --> 00:47:22,120 Speaker 1: as well, of course, because that was when we had 757 00:47:22,200 --> 00:47:27,360 Speaker 1: the bog assisted suicide attempt that was also going on, 758 00:47:27,600 --> 00:47:31,799 Speaker 1: so so already that world was starting to unravel for sure, 759 00:47:32,160 --> 00:47:35,920 Speaker 1: But also don't you know, it reminds me also of 760 00:47:35,960 --> 00:47:39,239 Speaker 1: the shotgun that that he was carrying, if you kind 761 00:47:39,280 --> 00:47:44,120 Speaker 1: of follow doctor Dupree's line of thinking, that shotgun that 762 00:47:44,200 --> 00:47:47,239 Speaker 1: he had in his hands when the cops got to 763 00:47:47,360 --> 00:47:50,960 Speaker 1: him the night of the murders. That was very that 764 00:47:51,160 --> 00:47:55,880 Speaker 1: was that was very well thought out from the stains perspective, 765 00:47:55,960 --> 00:47:59,719 Speaker 1: because of course that would explain gunshot residue and some 766 00:47:59,840 --> 00:48:01,759 Speaker 1: of the things that were going on when they were 767 00:48:01,800 --> 00:48:05,920 Speaker 1: testing him. Guys on the stand today, Murdog's best friend. Now, 768 00:48:05,920 --> 00:48:08,600 Speaker 1: I want you to hear where he's coming from. And 769 00:48:08,719 --> 00:48:12,000 Speaker 1: you have to understand his relationship to murdog so you 770 00:48:12,080 --> 00:48:16,520 Speaker 1: can carefully evaluate his testimony. Take a listen to best 771 00:48:16,600 --> 00:48:20,480 Speaker 1: friend Chris Wilson on the stand in Our Cut six. 772 00:48:21,520 --> 00:48:24,040 Speaker 1: One of your best friends, Yes, sir, very much, not 773 00:48:24,200 --> 00:48:26,480 Speaker 1: just my best friend, most of wars. I mean our family, 774 00:48:26,520 --> 00:48:34,600 Speaker 1: were clothes, I mean our kids, our wives. I'm close yet. 775 00:48:34,640 --> 00:48:39,560 Speaker 1: Frendship with Maggie two, yes, Sir Graham. Friendship with Paul too. Yes, Sir, 776 00:48:41,080 --> 00:48:43,719 Speaker 1: got French hip with Buster two. Yes, sir, haven't been 777 00:48:43,760 --> 00:48:46,680 Speaker 1: able to have that sense, not like it was. But yes, sir, 778 00:48:47,400 --> 00:48:55,960 Speaker 1: hope to one day, sir, And more about when he 779 00:48:56,120 --> 00:48:58,920 Speaker 1: finds out about the murders. Take a listen. I were 780 00:48:58,960 --> 00:49:03,359 Speaker 1: cut eight, Pat find out I was asleep. My wife 781 00:49:03,400 --> 00:49:07,480 Speaker 1: comes in kind of his you know, just hysterical. Um, 782 00:49:08,760 --> 00:49:10,400 Speaker 1: she says, you gotta wake up, you gotta wake up. 783 00:49:11,440 --> 00:49:13,040 Speaker 1: I don't remember if she was on the phone with 784 00:49:13,600 --> 00:49:17,480 Speaker 1: m Randy's wife or Randy. My wife is telling me 785 00:49:18,680 --> 00:49:20,400 Speaker 1: what's going on. I just told her. I said, Um, 786 00:49:21,719 --> 00:49:23,600 Speaker 1: I gotta I'll get some clothes. I gotta go to Moselle. 787 00:49:24,560 --> 00:49:26,560 Speaker 1: Did you get to mosell about one o'clock in the morning. 788 00:49:26,760 --> 00:49:28,480 Speaker 1: I don't know that I knew at that point that 789 00:49:28,719 --> 00:49:31,520 Speaker 1: that that this had occurred at the Kennel's, but I 790 00:49:31,560 --> 00:49:33,840 Speaker 1: could see that there was tons of activity there. I 791 00:49:34,000 --> 00:49:38,400 Speaker 1: think John, Marvin and Randy were walking out. Um and 792 00:49:38,719 --> 00:49:40,600 Speaker 1: kind of waved off and said go to the house. 793 00:49:43,520 --> 00:49:48,080 Speaker 1: He was yes, sir, Yeah, I did. Hugged his nag 794 00:49:48,120 --> 00:49:50,680 Speaker 1: and crying. There were a lot of the lawyers that 795 00:49:50,760 --> 00:49:54,440 Speaker 1: he practices law with, several family members, you know, some 796 00:49:54,560 --> 00:49:57,360 Speaker 1: friends of his that I knew. Um, there were a 797 00:49:57,400 --> 00:49:59,359 Speaker 1: lot of people already in the house. Okay, a lot 798 00:49:59,360 --> 00:50:02,040 Speaker 1: of people may find that odd. Mike King joining me 799 00:50:02,120 --> 00:50:06,480 Speaker 1: form a police commander oster profiling evil on YouTube. Mike King, 800 00:50:06,600 --> 00:50:08,919 Speaker 1: how many times have you walked into a double murder 801 00:50:09,000 --> 00:50:12,799 Speaker 1: scene and the place is crawling with lawyers? I don't 802 00:50:12,880 --> 00:50:15,920 Speaker 1: think I could remember a time that that happened. But 803 00:50:16,840 --> 00:50:19,799 Speaker 1: I thought it was interesting that they said, yeah, we're 804 00:50:19,840 --> 00:50:22,160 Speaker 1: going to encourage him not to talk to police, yet 805 00:50:22,360 --> 00:50:26,680 Speaker 1: he still did. Yeah. I find that very odd. Why 806 00:50:26,680 --> 00:50:30,400 Speaker 1: would you encourage someone when their wife and son had 807 00:50:30,480 --> 00:50:34,760 Speaker 1: been brutally murdered, shot multiple times, Maggie was riddled with bullets. 808 00:50:35,600 --> 00:50:38,880 Speaker 1: Why would you not want them to talk to police exactly. 809 00:50:39,160 --> 00:50:41,319 Speaker 1: And you know, it really makes me wonder that if 810 00:50:41,360 --> 00:50:45,040 Speaker 1: it's an arrogance thing knowing what he probably should do 811 00:50:45,160 --> 00:50:48,280 Speaker 1: from a legal standpoint, getting that counsel from other lawyers 812 00:50:48,320 --> 00:50:51,000 Speaker 1: in the room, deciding he's going to do it anyway. 813 00:50:51,120 --> 00:50:53,319 Speaker 1: Is it an arrogance that he thinks he can talk 814 00:50:53,440 --> 00:50:55,680 Speaker 1: his way through it, or is it that he actually 815 00:50:55,840 --> 00:50:58,560 Speaker 1: is innocent? But it makes me really wonder if this 816 00:50:58,760 --> 00:51:01,200 Speaker 1: guy is going to have the arrogance to go in 817 00:51:01,239 --> 00:51:04,000 Speaker 1: them try to testify in this case. Oh my goodness, 818 00:51:04,080 --> 00:51:07,880 Speaker 1: Joshua Ritter, do you think Murdock would actually take the stand? 819 00:51:08,000 --> 00:51:11,440 Speaker 1: No way, I don't think so. I think his attorneys 820 00:51:11,480 --> 00:51:14,120 Speaker 1: would sit on his chest before they allowed that to happen. 821 00:51:14,239 --> 00:51:16,640 Speaker 1: But listen, I've been listening to all of this, and 822 00:51:16,680 --> 00:51:20,399 Speaker 1: I appreciate the idea about these forensic countermeasures and everything else. 823 00:51:20,960 --> 00:51:23,040 Speaker 1: So what we have here is either a person who's 824 00:51:23,400 --> 00:51:27,080 Speaker 1: so diabolical that they've planned this all out, or a 825 00:51:27,160 --> 00:51:29,480 Speaker 1: person who's innocent. Right is what his defense is going 826 00:51:29,520 --> 00:51:32,160 Speaker 1: to argue. And if that person truly believes that they're innocent, 827 00:51:33,120 --> 00:51:34,919 Speaker 1: you might not be able to keep him from the stand. 828 00:51:35,000 --> 00:51:38,799 Speaker 1: And if he truly is as diabolical is We're all 829 00:51:38,840 --> 00:51:41,000 Speaker 1: see me to think maybe that's the same kind of 830 00:51:41,040 --> 00:51:43,120 Speaker 1: person you can't keep from the stand. So nothing in 831 00:51:43,200 --> 00:51:45,480 Speaker 1: this case would cease to shock me at this point 832 00:51:46,000 --> 00:51:48,640 Speaker 1: An Emerson, I can't agree with him more. Keep getting 833 00:51:49,320 --> 00:51:54,600 Speaker 1: texts from the courthouse that Curtis Eddie Smith akaa cousin 834 00:51:54,800 --> 00:51:59,640 Speaker 1: Eddie is in the courthouse now in that jurisdiction. Is 835 00:51:59,719 --> 00:52:03,080 Speaker 1: the jail below the court? Is there a jail in 836 00:52:03,200 --> 00:52:07,719 Speaker 1: the courthouse a holding sale literally, like you know where 837 00:52:07,719 --> 00:52:09,759 Speaker 1: the courthouse is is right behind me if you just 838 00:52:09,880 --> 00:52:11,759 Speaker 1: go a little bit further down the hill and I've 839 00:52:11,840 --> 00:52:13,839 Speaker 1: done the run. I have done the run to get 840 00:52:14,840 --> 00:52:17,480 Speaker 1: you know, some of the defendants in different cases from 841 00:52:17,520 --> 00:52:20,719 Speaker 1: Colleton County, to get pictures of them coming out of 842 00:52:20,760 --> 00:52:23,560 Speaker 1: that sort of sally port in the back. So really 843 00:52:23,680 --> 00:52:27,120 Speaker 1: it's it's less than a five minute drive. If you 844 00:52:27,320 --> 00:52:29,200 Speaker 1: literally are just getting him into the car and driving 845 00:52:29,239 --> 00:52:31,839 Speaker 1: him down there, it's it's to run. I think I've 846 00:52:31,880 --> 00:52:33,680 Speaker 1: done it about two and a half minutes, so it's 847 00:52:33,800 --> 00:52:36,280 Speaker 1: right there, and you know, this is the Colleton County 848 00:52:36,320 --> 00:52:38,960 Speaker 1: jail where we actually that. This is the first time 849 00:52:39,000 --> 00:52:41,640 Speaker 1: I ever saw Curtis Setti Smith, because I was at 850 00:52:41,719 --> 00:52:44,719 Speaker 1: that sally Port and in the first bond hearing when 851 00:52:44,800 --> 00:52:47,520 Speaker 1: we heard about the importance of who he is and 852 00:52:47,640 --> 00:52:49,040 Speaker 1: how he was going to play a role in this, 853 00:52:49,480 --> 00:52:52,160 Speaker 1: and Nancy, I think it's so interesting that you're hearing 854 00:52:52,239 --> 00:52:54,280 Speaker 1: that from the court right now. I have not gotten 855 00:52:54,360 --> 00:52:57,360 Speaker 1: that confirmed yet that he's here. I have heard that 856 00:52:57,440 --> 00:53:00,400 Speaker 1: he's supposed to be coming this week. But but if 857 00:53:00,440 --> 00:53:03,239 Speaker 1: he is here, it makes sense with what the prosecution 858 00:53:03,440 --> 00:53:06,080 Speaker 1: was doing. Literally right before we got out of court 859 00:53:06,160 --> 00:53:09,239 Speaker 1: for lunch, they were taking us up and they're very 860 00:53:09,360 --> 00:53:11,719 Speaker 1: good at that. They're taking us right up to that 861 00:53:11,920 --> 00:53:14,759 Speaker 1: point of the roadside chooting. I mean, we are on 862 00:53:14,880 --> 00:53:18,439 Speaker 1: September fourth, twenty twenty one. Right now. We've just heard 863 00:53:18,480 --> 00:53:23,600 Speaker 1: from Chris Wilson about his last interaction ever in person 864 00:53:23,840 --> 00:53:27,359 Speaker 1: with Alec Murdoch. Ever, again, this was the last time 865 00:53:27,400 --> 00:53:29,280 Speaker 1: he talked to his best friend in the whole wide 866 00:53:29,320 --> 00:53:34,000 Speaker 1: world was on September fourth, just just before all of 867 00:53:34,040 --> 00:53:35,920 Speaker 1: this went down. Okay, let's take a listen to that. 868 00:53:36,000 --> 00:53:38,959 Speaker 1: In our cut nine went out on the front porch 869 00:53:39,000 --> 00:53:40,439 Speaker 1: and I looked at him and I said, he look 870 00:53:41,160 --> 00:53:44,360 Speaker 1: and I'm sure I've said f for h or something. 871 00:53:44,400 --> 00:53:46,840 Speaker 1: I said, what the you know, what the is going on? 872 00:53:47,400 --> 00:53:50,400 Speaker 1: I need to know what's going on because I know 873 00:53:50,520 --> 00:53:52,400 Speaker 1: about this thing that Lease call me about, and I 874 00:53:52,480 --> 00:53:54,080 Speaker 1: need to know if there's something else you've done that 875 00:53:54,160 --> 00:53:56,120 Speaker 1: involves me that I don't know about. That's a problem 876 00:53:56,200 --> 00:54:00,319 Speaker 1: for me. What is going on? Broke down crying, said, 877 00:54:00,360 --> 00:54:02,560 Speaker 1: I can't talk. Let me, I can't I can't write 878 00:54:02,600 --> 00:54:05,960 Speaker 1: this second, Chris. He walked inside and grabbed a handful 879 00:54:05,960 --> 00:54:07,759 Speaker 1: of paper towels and came back out on the porch 880 00:54:09,040 --> 00:54:15,640 Speaker 1: and said, you know, I'm sorry. I've had a drug problem. 881 00:54:15,760 --> 00:54:18,680 Speaker 1: I've been addicted to opioids for something like twenty years. 882 00:54:18,880 --> 00:54:20,680 Speaker 1: There were parts where it was he didn't parts where 883 00:54:20,680 --> 00:54:23,920 Speaker 1: it was silent, and parts where it was probably calmer. 884 00:54:24,120 --> 00:54:28,320 Speaker 1: He admitted he had been stealing money, you know, he 885 00:54:29,680 --> 00:54:32,440 Speaker 1: from his law firm and from clients. Couldn't leave that. 886 00:54:32,520 --> 00:54:37,800 Speaker 1: I didn't know it, never saw it, never suspected it 887 00:54:38,360 --> 00:54:41,279 Speaker 1: drugs or money. And what did he say? Just said 888 00:54:41,320 --> 00:54:42,719 Speaker 1: it had been going on for a long time. I 889 00:54:42,880 --> 00:54:47,879 Speaker 1: was angry. I was I didn't know how to feel, 890 00:54:48,120 --> 00:54:51,839 Speaker 1: which leads me back to what Joshua Ritter, renowned defense 891 00:54:51,880 --> 00:54:56,320 Speaker 1: attorney from LA was just saying Ann Emerson that his 892 00:54:56,520 --> 00:55:01,440 Speaker 1: own best friend didn't know anything about the opioid addiction 893 00:55:01,840 --> 00:55:05,200 Speaker 1: or the embezzling money that's being going on for years, 894 00:55:05,400 --> 00:55:11,040 Speaker 1: twenty years. So what else could Alex Murdoch be capable 895 00:55:11,160 --> 00:55:15,759 Speaker 1: of that as friends would never suspect murder. Oh, I mean, 896 00:55:15,800 --> 00:55:18,080 Speaker 1: I think they're absolutely going to have a problem here, right, 897 00:55:18,200 --> 00:55:22,600 Speaker 1: They've got to now. I mean, the prosecution is setting 898 00:55:22,680 --> 00:55:24,400 Speaker 1: up that no one knew him. I mean, this is 899 00:55:24,400 --> 00:55:26,759 Speaker 1: a question that the prosecution is given to several of 900 00:55:27,120 --> 00:55:30,200 Speaker 1: the closest sort of people around Alec Murdoch. Did you 901 00:55:30,320 --> 00:55:32,840 Speaker 1: really know him? No? I guess I didn't you know? 902 00:55:32,960 --> 00:55:35,160 Speaker 1: This is what they keep on saying on the stand. 903 00:55:35,239 --> 00:55:38,880 Speaker 1: So we've been setting up that he's garnered an enormous 904 00:55:38,920 --> 00:55:42,280 Speaker 1: amount of trust and brotherhood with the people, that he loves, 905 00:55:42,520 --> 00:55:46,040 Speaker 1: his family, everyone. But did we really know him? No? 906 00:55:46,520 --> 00:55:48,640 Speaker 1: Is the answer that we keep on hearing. But the defense, 907 00:55:48,719 --> 00:55:52,480 Speaker 1: of course, is going to be uh, you know, fighting 908 00:55:52,520 --> 00:55:54,319 Speaker 1: this tooth and nail as they get into it there 909 00:55:54,600 --> 00:55:57,200 Speaker 1: they are going to be saying, you know, they're going 910 00:55:57,280 --> 00:56:00,080 Speaker 1: to say that he's as loving of a family that 911 00:56:00,160 --> 00:56:03,000 Speaker 1: he could ever have in his entire world, and Chris 912 00:56:03,080 --> 00:56:06,960 Speaker 1: Wilson backed that up to doctor Michelle Dupre. How many times, 913 00:56:07,040 --> 00:56:09,960 Speaker 1: Dodgor dupree, have you handled cases that end up in 914 00:56:10,040 --> 00:56:14,080 Speaker 1: the morgue where no one really knew the defendant. They 915 00:56:14,160 --> 00:56:17,920 Speaker 1: thought they did, but they would never have suspected a 916 00:56:18,080 --> 00:56:21,280 Speaker 1: double murder like this, But in fact it was true 917 00:56:21,400 --> 00:56:25,239 Speaker 1: their parts to people, especially addicted to drugs, that we 918 00:56:25,360 --> 00:56:28,600 Speaker 1: can never comprehend. We're trying to apply logic to an 919 00:56:28,640 --> 00:56:33,040 Speaker 1: illogical situation, Dodgor Dupre, exactly, Nancy. And how many times 920 00:56:33,600 --> 00:56:36,200 Speaker 1: is a significant other, a husband or a wife, the 921 00:56:36,320 --> 00:56:39,000 Speaker 1: one who actually does kill their loved ones? You know, 922 00:56:39,400 --> 00:56:42,320 Speaker 1: whenever we see these mass shootings or anything horrific like this, 923 00:56:42,760 --> 00:56:46,240 Speaker 1: family and friends almost always say we never saw it coming, 924 00:56:46,760 --> 00:56:48,640 Speaker 1: you know, and if they did, certainly they would have 925 00:56:48,640 --> 00:56:51,120 Speaker 1: alerted somebody or tried to get that person help. But 926 00:56:51,280 --> 00:56:54,000 Speaker 1: in this case, everyone is saying the same thing, we 927 00:56:54,200 --> 00:56:57,359 Speaker 1: never suspected it. And what does that even tell us 928 00:56:57,400 --> 00:57:01,279 Speaker 1: about Alex Murdock. He was very very good at this, 929 00:57:01,760 --> 00:57:04,759 Speaker 1: at hiding things from other people, even those that were 930 00:57:04,800 --> 00:57:07,080 Speaker 1: close to him. Guys, I'm hearing in my ear everybody 931 00:57:07,320 --> 00:57:10,840 Speaker 1: is breaking camp and going back into the courthouse. Lunch 932 00:57:11,160 --> 00:57:13,799 Speaker 1: is over now that they've got to get those garards 933 00:57:14,080 --> 00:57:18,480 Speaker 1: back into the jury area where they sit. We never 934 00:57:18,840 --> 00:57:22,480 Speaker 1: see their faces, and I'm sure that they've got a 935 00:57:22,600 --> 00:57:27,200 Speaker 1: lot of emotions and concerns because of the bomb threat yesterday, 936 00:57:27,320 --> 00:57:30,600 Speaker 1: the unfounded bomb threat. But they're making their way back 937 00:57:30,640 --> 00:57:33,919 Speaker 1: into the courtroom and so are we. Goodbye, friend, thanks 938 00:57:33,960 --> 00:57:34,520 Speaker 1: for being with us.