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Speaker 1: Welcome to stuff you should know a production of I

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Speaker 1: Heart Radio. Hey, and welcome to the Holiday Cast. I'm Josh,

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Speaker 1: and there's Chuck and Jerry's with us in spirit, and

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Speaker 1: everything is merry and bright, and the tidings are glad

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Speaker 1: in the halls are decked, and uh, Santa's on his way.

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Speaker 1: That's right. Are Christmas episode that we look forward to

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Speaker 1: every year. This, along with the Halloween episodes or episodes,

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Speaker 1: are two of our favorites. And they are both ad

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Speaker 1: free because we insist upon it, because Christmas has been

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Speaker 1: commercialized enough for doing our bit to reverse that trend

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Speaker 1: just ever so slightly. And I think it's it's been

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Speaker 1: having a measurable effe, don't you, Chuck? I think so.

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Speaker 1: People's fingers are spared that fast forward button for the

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Speaker 1: next forty five minutes, and let's do this. So what

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Speaker 1: are we going to do first? Maybe the mystery behind

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Speaker 1: the world's most famous Christmas poem? Yeah, did you dig

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Speaker 1: this one up? Or no? I believe this was a

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Speaker 1: listener suggestion. It was so. This is based on an

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Speaker 1: article by Stacy Conrad in Mental Floss, but it was

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Speaker 1: suggested to us by one of our listeners named Adam Stevenson,

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Speaker 1: and thank you very much to Adam for sending this

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Speaker 1: idea in And the whole thing, Chuck, that we're talking

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Speaker 1: about is probably the world's most famous Christmas poem. It's

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Speaker 1: called a Visit from St. Nicholas, and we've read it before,

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Speaker 1: but it's actually, in most people's mind called Toys the

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Speaker 1: Night before Christmas. That's what I was confused a couple

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Speaker 1: of times I read through this. So that poem has

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Speaker 1: the authorship of it is disputed and has been disputed

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Speaker 1: questions where somebody says, no, no, it was my great

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Speaker 1: actually like evidence that kind of backs this up. So

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Speaker 1: right now here in one and maybe for the rest

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Speaker 1: of all time, we're not a certain who wrote a

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Speaker 1: Visit from St. Nick also known as Towards the Night

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Speaker 1: before Christmas. That's right. We know. It first popped up

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Speaker 1: with no authorship attributed, and then thirteen years after that,

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Speaker 1: a poem he wrote for his kids, supposedly, and sent

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Speaker 1: in one of his poet poetry anthologies. That's right, So

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Speaker 1: it officially became credited to Clement Clark Moore. And then

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Speaker 1: I don't think this is quite right, because it turns

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Speaker 1: out that great great great great great grandfather Henry had

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Speaker 1: it was first published in the Troy, New York Sentinel. Right,

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Speaker 1: So if that was three, they're claiming it goes back

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Speaker 1: So let's duke this out on the livingstone side. And

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Speaker 1: nothing to do with Clement Clark Moore. Um. There's another

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Speaker 1: the mysterious house fire. Now I'm like, I don't know

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Speaker 1: literary professors got involved, and then things got really taken

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Speaker 1: that's all right, good stuff, But that's anapestic scheme. They said,

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Speaker 1: on Clement Clark Moore's manuscript notebook and it says all

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Speaker 1: So on the more side this, I mean, I sort

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Speaker 1: they are like, well that, I mean, that's that, Like, yes,

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Speaker 1: Poetry Websites Foundation, they say that there's a lot of

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Speaker 1: scholars that credit Henry Livingston with authorship, but they still

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Speaker 1: if you search Clement Clark Moore, the poem that they

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Speaker 1: for some of Jerry's delicious Christmas interstitial music. Huh all right,

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Speaker 1: let's hear it. Oh boy, that didn't that so much

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Speaker 1: better than an ad? Yeah? That is so nice. Jerry

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Speaker 1: really knows what she's doing. She's gotten really good at

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Speaker 1: this stuff. All right, where are we headed next? Oh jeez,

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Speaker 1: How about red and green? It's Christmas colors. Yeah, we

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Speaker 1: need to thank u Wanderopolis Reader's digests and our old

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Speaker 1: buddy Robert Paulson, Mr RP funding himself, longtime listener, he said, us,

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Speaker 1: So this was inspired by Robert. And this is the

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Speaker 1: idea that where did green and red come from? For Christmas?

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Speaker 1: And there's quite a few theories and no one knows

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Speaker 1: red and green thing for Christmas? You're a Christian, where

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Speaker 1: I'll tell you. It turns out that the green represents

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Speaker 1: an evergreen tree, which in turn represents Jesus. And you say,

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Speaker 1: of Christ. It's always the blood of Christ. So supposedly

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Speaker 1: I know? Uh? So that was yours. Why don't we

423
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Speaker 1: go with well, no, you pick from mine? Oh is

424
00:24:32,800 --> 00:24:36,120
Speaker 1: it my turn? Yeah, that's what we're doing. Okay, because

425
00:24:36,160 --> 00:24:38,080
Speaker 1: I I we got a big finish if you ask me.

426
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Speaker 1: Let's do Christmas songs, which is interesting, but you know

427
00:24:41,200 --> 00:24:44,679
Speaker 1: the one I'm excited about. Okay, all right, fair enough, okay,

428
00:24:45,320 --> 00:24:48,639
Speaker 1: uh yeah, Christmas songs. This got me thinking about I

429
00:24:49,000 --> 00:24:51,840
Speaker 1: saw the movie About a Boy recently, again movie that

430
00:24:51,880 --> 00:24:55,360
Speaker 1: I really love, and in that movie, Hugh Grant's character

431
00:24:55,760 --> 00:24:58,720
Speaker 1: is still living the good life as a fat cat

432
00:24:58,760 --> 00:25:01,879
Speaker 1: because of a Christmas song that his father wrote. I

433
00:25:01,880 --> 00:25:04,040
Speaker 1: can't remember the name of the song, but it's sort

434
00:25:04,080 --> 00:25:08,080
Speaker 1: of the idea. And it's correct that if you are

435
00:25:08,240 --> 00:25:11,280
Speaker 1: a pop star or even not, if you write, and

436
00:25:11,480 --> 00:25:13,520
Speaker 1: especially if you write and record and have those all

437
00:25:13,560 --> 00:25:17,360
Speaker 1: those rights to a popular Christmas song, then you are

438
00:25:17,400 --> 00:25:20,359
Speaker 1: living on easy street. My friend. Yeah, you can pretty

439
00:25:20,440 --> 00:25:23,400
Speaker 1: much just retire, and it's possible your kids and their

440
00:25:23,480 --> 00:25:26,480
Speaker 1: kids might be able to retire to and such as

441
00:25:26,560 --> 00:25:29,760
Speaker 1: the case Chuck with Jim Lee, who figures prominently in

442
00:25:29,760 --> 00:25:33,840
Speaker 1: this article you found about Christmas music in the music industry.

443
00:25:34,600 --> 00:25:37,959
Speaker 1: He was the bass player for Slade, who until today

444
00:25:38,160 --> 00:25:42,080
Speaker 1: I didn't realize was the originators of Quiet Riots Come

445
00:25:42,119 --> 00:25:45,359
Speaker 1: On Field of Noise. It's actually Slades Come On Field

446
00:25:45,359 --> 00:25:47,720
Speaker 1: of Noise. And I went back and listened to both

447
00:25:47,800 --> 00:25:50,359
Speaker 1: of them and I was like, this Slave Boy is

448
00:25:50,400 --> 00:25:53,600
Speaker 1: so much better. I mean, I love the Quiet Riot song,

449
00:25:53,680 --> 00:25:55,159
Speaker 1: and then I heard the slave version. I was like,

450
00:25:55,200 --> 00:25:58,439
Speaker 1: oh wow, this is this is amazing. Yeah Slade and

451
00:25:58,480 --> 00:26:01,560
Speaker 1: by the way, this is from Rob Pachetta cnn um,

452
00:26:01,600 --> 00:26:03,600
Speaker 1: but yeah Slade. I love Slade. When I was a kid,

453
00:26:03,600 --> 00:26:06,560
Speaker 1: they had that great video MTV video hit Run Run Away,

454
00:26:07,240 --> 00:26:09,520
Speaker 1: and that's how I got introduced. But previous to that,

455
00:26:09,600 --> 00:26:12,280
Speaker 1: in the early eighties, they were a big glam rock

456
00:26:12,359 --> 00:26:16,639
Speaker 1: band in England and Jim was the bassist and he was,

457
00:26:17,680 --> 00:26:20,199
Speaker 1: you know, he was talking about the pressure of of

458
00:26:20,200 --> 00:26:22,840
Speaker 1: writing that next big hit all the time, and he

459
00:26:22,880 --> 00:26:25,560
Speaker 1: was in he was sort of dry of ideas, and apparently,

460
00:26:25,560 --> 00:26:28,760
Speaker 1: as the story goes, in seventy three, in a hotel

461
00:26:28,800 --> 00:26:32,800
Speaker 1: bathroom kind of wondering what to do and remembered that

462
00:26:33,040 --> 00:26:38,199
Speaker 1: his manager and his mom had both said, why Christmas tune,

463
00:26:39,000 --> 00:26:43,680
Speaker 1: you can bloody retire. He's saying that inspired him. My room,

464
00:26:44,960 --> 00:26:49,400
Speaker 1: I mean a hotel bathroom so that inspired him and

465
00:26:49,520 --> 00:26:53,439
Speaker 1: he uh he he came up with the outline of

466
00:26:53,440 --> 00:26:56,000
Speaker 1: a verse and then a bridge apparently, and then all

467
00:26:56,040 --> 00:26:59,800
Speaker 1: of a sudden had a Christmas hit by Slade, which

468
00:27:00,320 --> 00:27:02,400
Speaker 1: isn't as big here in the States. I definitely heard

469
00:27:02,440 --> 00:27:04,919
Speaker 1: it quite a few times, but it's really big in

470
00:27:04,920 --> 00:27:07,280
Speaker 1: the UK. Yeah, I've never heard it before in my

471
00:27:07,440 --> 00:27:11,240
Speaker 1: entire life until yesterday. I think, Yeah, it's called Mary

472
00:27:11,400 --> 00:27:15,399
Speaker 1: Xmuss everybody, and um, yeah, I think it's enormous in

473
00:27:15,440 --> 00:27:17,880
Speaker 1: Britain because Against Slave was British, but I mean, it's

474
00:27:17,920 --> 00:27:20,040
Speaker 1: so big in Britain. I'm very surprised. I've never heard

475
00:27:20,040 --> 00:27:22,800
Speaker 1: it before. But it's a it's a cute, fun little

476
00:27:22,800 --> 00:27:25,560
Speaker 1: song about how not so Christmas is. But it was

477
00:27:25,640 --> 00:27:29,119
Speaker 1: a huge, huge hit for him, and it's kind of

478
00:27:29,160 --> 00:27:33,119
Speaker 1: one of those things where um Slade, the guy, the

479
00:27:33,119 --> 00:27:35,439
Speaker 1: bass player, Jim Lee, when he came up with this

480
00:27:35,480 --> 00:27:37,479
Speaker 1: idea like to do a Christmas song. It wasn't like

481
00:27:37,520 --> 00:27:39,480
Speaker 1: the band had been had been thinking of doing a

482
00:27:39,560 --> 00:27:41,840
Speaker 1: Christmas song. He really had to go sell it to

483
00:27:41,920 --> 00:27:44,920
Speaker 1: talk this awesome hard rocking glam rock band into doing

484
00:27:44,960 --> 00:27:47,040
Speaker 1: a Christmas song. And they didn't release it as like

485
00:27:47,080 --> 00:27:49,800
Speaker 1: a single or special. They released it on one of

486
00:27:49,840 --> 00:27:53,000
Speaker 1: their regular albums. Yeah, you're gonna say the name of

487
00:27:53,040 --> 00:27:57,199
Speaker 1: their lead singer, oh um, uh, it's great. Hold on,

488
00:27:57,280 --> 00:28:00,880
Speaker 1: what is his name? Naughty Holder? That's it's a great name.

489
00:28:00,920 --> 00:28:04,320
Speaker 1: And he actually looks a lot like a Naughty Holder does.

490
00:28:05,359 --> 00:28:08,280
Speaker 1: But Lee talks about the fact that it's like having

491
00:28:08,280 --> 00:28:12,680
Speaker 1: a pension basically here, you know, as he's aging, and

492
00:28:12,720 --> 00:28:14,960
Speaker 1: he said, you know, my grandkids just like we were

493
00:28:14,960 --> 00:28:16,760
Speaker 1: talking to He said, they're gonna be getting money for

494
00:28:16,800 --> 00:28:20,000
Speaker 1: this thing because Christmas tunes don't go away. If you

495
00:28:20,320 --> 00:28:22,760
Speaker 1: if you managed to wed yourself in there with a

496
00:28:22,800 --> 00:28:26,120
Speaker 1: popular tune, at least in your home country, uh, you're

497
00:28:26,119 --> 00:28:28,320
Speaker 1: gonna make a lot of money. And that's why Freddie

498
00:28:28,320 --> 00:28:31,880
Speaker 1: Mercury came to jim Ley at one point and said, Hey,

499
00:28:31,920 --> 00:28:34,159
Speaker 1: I'm kind of thinking about doing a Christmas song. Is like,

500
00:28:34,600 --> 00:28:36,399
Speaker 1: is that okay? Like I'm not gonna be stepping on

501
00:28:36,440 --> 00:28:39,040
Speaker 1: your toast or anything, am I? Yeah? Well, I mean

502
00:28:39,040 --> 00:28:41,120
Speaker 1: that was part of it. I think also, like Slade

503
00:28:41,240 --> 00:28:45,160
Speaker 1: was the ones who made it okay for people who

504
00:28:45,240 --> 00:28:49,480
Speaker 1: weren't being Crosby and Gene Autry record Christmas music because

505
00:28:49,480 --> 00:28:53,320
Speaker 1: after them Bowie recorded that Little Drummer Boy with Bing Crosby.

506
00:28:53,600 --> 00:28:55,920
Speaker 1: Queen came along and recorded There's and it just kept

507
00:28:55,920 --> 00:28:59,040
Speaker 1: going from there. I have the distinct impression that Slade

508
00:28:59,040 --> 00:29:03,640
Speaker 1: where the origin eights of that trend. I think, I think,

509
00:29:03,760 --> 00:29:05,480
Speaker 1: I think you might be right. It seems to be

510
00:29:05,520 --> 00:29:09,120
Speaker 1: what this uh, what this article is indicating. Uh And

511
00:29:09,160 --> 00:29:12,560
Speaker 1: you know now it's I think they said that, uh

512
00:29:12,600 --> 00:29:15,200
Speaker 1: and this was No one knows for sure, because no

513
00:29:15,240 --> 00:29:17,880
Speaker 1: one really wants to share these numbers, I think partially

514
00:29:17,880 --> 00:29:21,320
Speaker 1: because it goes against what you want to think about

515
00:29:21,320 --> 00:29:26,320
Speaker 1: it Christmas. But like that Mariah Carey song Ineen, they

516
00:29:26,480 --> 00:29:30,360
Speaker 1: estimated had earned her about sixty million bucks. It's it's

517
00:29:30,400 --> 00:29:32,200
Speaker 1: a great song. I'm not even a Mariah Carey fan,

518
00:29:32,240 --> 00:29:34,160
Speaker 1: but I love that song. It is a really good one.

519
00:29:34,240 --> 00:29:36,960
Speaker 1: Apparently she has more uppersly that have been coming out

520
00:29:37,040 --> 00:29:40,800
Speaker 1: lately to Christmas album. I think, yeah, I think she

521
00:29:40,960 --> 00:29:43,160
Speaker 1: just released another one. But that I mean that is

522
00:29:43,200 --> 00:29:47,160
Speaker 1: like it is a definitive recent Christmas hit, But it

523
00:29:47,200 --> 00:29:50,400
Speaker 1: also points out how hard it is to make one

524
00:29:50,400 --> 00:29:52,960
Speaker 1: of those, like because she's definitely not the only artist

525
00:29:53,160 --> 00:29:57,680
Speaker 1: who's working still today who's released a Christmas song every Christmas.

526
00:29:57,960 --> 00:30:00,960
Speaker 1: Tons and tons of artists like they're audited Christmas song

527
00:30:01,240 --> 00:30:02,920
Speaker 1: and one of the reasons why they take their song

528
00:30:03,000 --> 00:30:06,160
Speaker 1: was because they will basically be able to stop working

529
00:30:06,160 --> 00:30:09,040
Speaker 1: whenever they want if it's a hit. It's just so

530
00:30:09,240 --> 00:30:11,800
Speaker 1: rarely a hit. And there's this guy who has interviewed

531
00:30:11,800 --> 00:30:16,040
Speaker 1: in them in the article who basically said, um, he's uh.

532
00:30:16,120 --> 00:30:19,680
Speaker 1: He works for PRS for Music, which manages royalty payments.

533
00:30:19,920 --> 00:30:22,720
Speaker 1: He said, basically, you can count on your fingers the

534
00:30:22,840 --> 00:30:25,240
Speaker 1: number of artists in the last twenty five years we've

535
00:30:25,280 --> 00:30:27,840
Speaker 1: had like a bona fide Christmas hit. And it's true,

536
00:30:28,000 --> 00:30:31,120
Speaker 1: like there's plenty of Christmas songs, but Christmas hits are

537
00:30:31,160 --> 00:30:34,160
Speaker 1: few and far between. Yeah. I do think it's funny though,

538
00:30:34,160 --> 00:30:37,400
Speaker 1: how everyone, even bands you don't think you're doing it,

539
00:30:37,520 --> 00:30:39,920
Speaker 1: they try to get some of that Christmas juice because

540
00:30:40,400 --> 00:30:45,800
Speaker 1: if you will bring up like a modern Christmas rock playlist,

541
00:30:46,560 --> 00:30:49,000
Speaker 1: it is just littered with bands that I haven't even

542
00:30:49,000 --> 00:30:51,920
Speaker 1: heard of that are throwing their name in the hat. Basically,

543
00:30:54,240 --> 00:30:56,080
Speaker 1: I mean, I love a lot. I love Elton John's song,

544
00:30:56,120 --> 00:30:58,680
Speaker 1: I love Queen song, Thank God It's Christmas. I think

545
00:30:58,760 --> 00:31:01,280
Speaker 1: my favorite might be Tom pet ease uh and the

546
00:31:01,280 --> 00:31:05,040
Speaker 1: Heartbreakers Christmas all over again. I don't know that one. Oh,

547
00:31:05,120 --> 00:31:07,280
Speaker 1: it's great. It's great because at the end, I think

548
00:31:07,280 --> 00:31:08,760
Speaker 1: I talked about this some movie Crush a couple of

549
00:31:08,840 --> 00:31:11,920
Speaker 1: years ago. At the end, it's kind of fading out

550
00:31:11,960 --> 00:31:14,800
Speaker 1: with some jingle bells and Tom Petty and that sort

551
00:31:14,840 --> 00:31:19,480
Speaker 1: of Florida Southern draw says Santa this Christmas, I want

552
00:31:19,480 --> 00:31:23,280
Speaker 1: a thender Twin Reverb Chuck Berry song. Yeah. Yeah, And

553
00:31:23,280 --> 00:31:25,600
Speaker 1: he's just like listing things out. Is that it even

554
00:31:25,600 --> 00:31:28,200
Speaker 1: fades out on his voice. It's real. Hey, I remember

555
00:31:28,240 --> 00:31:30,760
Speaker 1: that song. That is a cute one. What's your favorite?

556
00:31:30,800 --> 00:31:33,959
Speaker 1: I think we poked about this before. My favorite Christmas

557
00:31:33,960 --> 00:31:36,520
Speaker 1: song of all the time, A recent Christmas hit, favorite

558
00:31:36,880 --> 00:31:42,440
Speaker 1: just pop rock of any era. Christmas song. Man, Somebody's

559
00:31:42,440 --> 00:31:44,440
Speaker 1: going to find me on the street and strangle me.

560
00:31:44,480 --> 00:31:48,400
Speaker 1: But I gotta say Last Christmas by wayamb Oh, it's great?

561
00:31:48,440 --> 00:31:50,480
Speaker 1: Are you kidding me? Yeah? A lot of people really

562
00:31:50,520 --> 00:31:52,720
Speaker 1: hate that song. But it's not because it's a bad song.

563
00:31:52,760 --> 00:31:55,080
Speaker 1: It's just because it's really overplayed. That's one of the

564
00:31:55,080 --> 00:31:58,320
Speaker 1: other problems with the fact that so few Christmas songs

565
00:31:58,320 --> 00:32:01,040
Speaker 1: are Christmas hits because that means that is a small pool.

566
00:32:01,080 --> 00:32:03,800
Speaker 1: It gets played over and over and over again. Such

567
00:32:03,840 --> 00:32:07,360
Speaker 1: good stuff. What a big mistake to get a Christmas

568
00:32:07,360 --> 00:32:10,640
Speaker 1: Heart and the very next day give it away. That's

569
00:32:10,760 --> 00:32:13,000
Speaker 1: it is a big, big mistake. There's one other person

570
00:32:13,000 --> 00:32:14,840
Speaker 1: I want to give a shout out to, though, is

571
00:32:15,160 --> 00:32:18,280
Speaker 1: Carly Kylie Minogue. She had some good Christmas songs and

572
00:32:18,320 --> 00:32:21,960
Speaker 1: there's actually um did she did a duet with James

573
00:32:22,120 --> 00:32:27,200
Speaker 1: Cordon called like every Day Is Christmas? I think, very

574
00:32:27,320 --> 00:32:29,320
Speaker 1: very cute. It's not it's not a hit in the

575
00:32:29,400 --> 00:32:32,120
Speaker 1: United States, but I would bet a lot of marmalite

576
00:32:32,120 --> 00:32:36,040
Speaker 1: that it was. It's a big hit in Australia. Uh.

577
00:32:36,120 --> 00:32:37,840
Speaker 1: I know people are sick of hearing it, but I

578
00:32:37,880 --> 00:32:41,720
Speaker 1: still love Paul McCartney's Wonderful Christmas Time and I love

579
00:32:41,800 --> 00:32:44,360
Speaker 1: John Lennon. So this is Christmas good stuff. Yeah, it

580
00:32:44,480 --> 00:32:47,040
Speaker 1: is good stuff. And then I also, um My, the

581
00:32:47,080 --> 00:32:49,080
Speaker 1: thing I've been playing Chuck and this will come probably

582
00:32:49,120 --> 00:32:50,880
Speaker 1: is a little surprised to you, Bias wanting to shout

583
00:32:50,880 --> 00:32:53,680
Speaker 1: it out to. Um. I found a YouTube video that's

584
00:32:53,680 --> 00:32:58,640
Speaker 1: an hour long called Kmart Store Intercom Christmas Music nineteen four.

585
00:32:59,560 --> 00:33:03,280
Speaker 1: Whoa knock your socks off? Is this a playlist? It's

586
00:33:03,320 --> 00:33:05,920
Speaker 1: apparently an hour that they took from the kmart store

587
00:33:05,920 --> 00:33:08,160
Speaker 1: intercom because at one point they call for security in

588
00:33:08,240 --> 00:33:13,440
Speaker 1: section three. Um. But it's like just small, like instrumental,

589
00:33:13,680 --> 00:33:19,320
Speaker 1: smallty Christmas music that will make you pucker. It's so sweet. Uh.

590
00:33:19,360 --> 00:33:22,080
Speaker 1: Emily has been She usually likes her her rock and

591
00:33:22,120 --> 00:33:24,720
Speaker 1: roll Christmas mixes, but she's a big Christmas music person.

592
00:33:24,800 --> 00:33:28,480
Speaker 1: From Thanksgiving to Christmas. It's always on in the house. Yeah,

593
00:33:28,480 --> 00:33:30,640
Speaker 1: but this year she's just so crazy with work and

594
00:33:30,680 --> 00:33:34,600
Speaker 1: really stressed. She's listened to nothing. But I mean, we're

595
00:33:34,640 --> 00:33:36,560
Speaker 1: calling it jazzy Christmas. I don't know what it is,

596
00:33:36,600 --> 00:33:39,480
Speaker 1: but it's the these it's sort of like dentist office

597
00:33:39,600 --> 00:33:44,280
Speaker 1: Christmas piano stuff. Oh yeah, nice, very relaxing. But I

598
00:33:44,320 --> 00:33:47,479
Speaker 1: do miss step into Christmas and Christmas all over the world,

599
00:33:47,560 --> 00:33:50,480
Speaker 1: and so we're gonna have to rock it out soon, okay.

600
00:33:51,200 --> 00:33:54,200
Speaker 1: Um oh. Another one that we um we should mention

601
00:33:54,280 --> 00:33:58,480
Speaker 1: is that Donnie Hathaway song. Um This Christmas I think

602
00:33:58,560 --> 00:34:03,200
Speaker 1: is what it's called Christmas. You've heard it a million times,

603
00:34:03,960 --> 00:34:06,480
Speaker 1: you know, listen to Dolly. I think I put this

604
00:34:06,520 --> 00:34:10,920
Speaker 1: before I left social media. Last year, a full of

605
00:34:10,920 --> 00:34:15,040
Speaker 1: Dolly Parton's Christmas songs are about having sex. What go

606
00:34:15,200 --> 00:34:19,560
Speaker 1: listen to? Go listen to Dolly Parton's Christmas songs about them.

607
00:34:19,560 --> 00:34:23,480
Speaker 1: At some point she's talking about like screwing Santa, or

608
00:34:23,560 --> 00:34:27,279
Speaker 1: like the guy in neighbor, or like what, it's really funny.

609
00:34:27,440 --> 00:34:30,440
Speaker 1: I'm telling you just do it. And you know it's

610
00:34:30,440 --> 00:34:32,760
Speaker 1: in the Dolly Parton way, like yeah, yeah, of course,

611
00:34:32,800 --> 00:34:35,000
Speaker 1: it's not like we had a few drinks and canoe

612
00:34:35,120 --> 00:34:38,800
Speaker 1: told or something. Really, I had no idea. It's really funny.

613
00:34:38,840 --> 00:34:41,080
Speaker 1: But that she she deserves another shout out just for

614
00:34:41,440 --> 00:34:45,319
Speaker 1: candy Christmas alone. Well, but I think that one talks

615
00:34:45,360 --> 00:34:48,840
Speaker 1: about it. Yeah, I think she talks about going to

616
00:34:48,880 --> 00:34:51,920
Speaker 1: the bar and picking up somebody maybe at once. I

617
00:34:51,960 --> 00:34:54,200
Speaker 1: know what you're talking about. I hadn't really thought about

618
00:34:54,239 --> 00:34:56,839
Speaker 1: it because it's just Dolly, you know. All Right, I'm

619
00:34:56,840 --> 00:34:58,719
Speaker 1: gonna look at the lyrics for that. Well, we need

620
00:34:58,719 --> 00:35:00,319
Speaker 1: to move on or else we're just gonna spend the

621
00:35:00,360 --> 00:35:03,360
Speaker 1: next forty five minutes talking about Christmas songs that we

622
00:35:03,360 --> 00:35:23,560
Speaker 1: we thought of. All right, Jerry, that's your cue? All right?

623
00:35:24,239 --> 00:35:28,279
Speaker 1: Is it my turn? It's your turn? Buddy. All right, well,

624
00:35:28,320 --> 00:35:31,359
Speaker 1: I guess there's nowhere else to go for you than

625
00:35:31,440 --> 00:35:36,080
Speaker 1: Advent calendars. That's true. I don't know how that happened,

626
00:35:36,080 --> 00:35:40,120
Speaker 1: did I Did you choose first or something? I must

627
00:35:40,120 --> 00:35:43,600
Speaker 1: have huh, all right, I'm not sure. It's it's kind

628
00:35:43,600 --> 00:35:46,120
Speaker 1: of like the antipestic rhyme scheme all over the place.

629
00:35:47,280 --> 00:35:50,040
Speaker 1: But we're talking to Advent calendars, and I realized that, um,

630
00:35:50,080 --> 00:35:52,520
Speaker 1: I didn't set out what an Advent calendar was. Maybe

631
00:35:52,520 --> 00:35:55,120
Speaker 1: not everybody understands that because I was raised Catholic, so

632
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Speaker 1: I had an Advent calendar every year, did you No.

633
00:35:58,520 --> 00:36:01,120
Speaker 1: I got into them when took German in high school

634
00:36:01,160 --> 00:36:03,560
Speaker 1: and we sold them for German Club. Okay, alright, so

635
00:36:03,600 --> 00:36:06,120
Speaker 1: they're a super German thing. But also if you're Catholic

636
00:36:06,120 --> 00:36:08,400
Speaker 1: in the United States, they're a pretty Catholic thing too,

637
00:36:08,480 --> 00:36:11,120
Speaker 1: but I think they're also a lot of Protestants usom.

638
00:36:11,160 --> 00:36:14,279
Speaker 1: But it's just basically a little calendar, but it's a

639
00:36:14,320 --> 00:36:18,960
Speaker 1: calendar plus because for each day from December one, that's

640
00:36:19,000 --> 00:36:22,399
Speaker 1: the extent of an Advent calendar. Each day it has

641
00:36:22,520 --> 00:36:24,719
Speaker 1: like a little door on it each day, and you

642
00:36:24,800 --> 00:36:27,279
Speaker 1: open up the door and there's like a swede inside

643
00:36:27,360 --> 00:36:29,600
Speaker 1: or something like that. And the whole point of an

644
00:36:29,640 --> 00:36:32,840
Speaker 1: Advent calendar is to get kids jazz about the coming

645
00:36:32,880 --> 00:36:37,040
Speaker 1: of Christmas, as if they needed any extra jazzing whatsoever.

646
00:36:37,400 --> 00:36:40,799
Speaker 1: But that seems to be the whole point of Advent calendars. Yeah,

647
00:36:40,840 --> 00:36:42,600
Speaker 1: we I don't know why I didn't get one this year,

648
00:36:42,640 --> 00:36:44,279
Speaker 1: because we've been getting them, and I've seen with my

649
00:36:44,320 --> 00:36:47,680
Speaker 1: own eyeballs how delighted my daughter is because you know,

650
00:36:47,719 --> 00:36:50,120
Speaker 1: it becomes the ritual every day. He used to open

651
00:36:50,120 --> 00:36:53,799
Speaker 1: that door and get that little piece of chocolate. Uh, jeez,

652
00:36:53,840 --> 00:36:55,439
Speaker 1: I didn't get one this year. If you look at dope,

653
00:36:55,520 --> 00:36:57,480
Speaker 1: it's not too late. You can just pick up the

654
00:36:57,480 --> 00:37:01,399
Speaker 1: pace and just started like you know, December twelve. Oh yeah,

655
00:37:01,480 --> 00:37:03,600
Speaker 1: I guess that we're recording this in December nine, So

656
00:37:03,840 --> 00:37:05,880
Speaker 1: you're right. I need to find a local German club,

657
00:37:06,239 --> 00:37:11,040
Speaker 1: high school German club. That all right? So these things?

658
00:37:11,360 --> 00:37:14,560
Speaker 1: There isn't one on the twenty, does it end. I've

659
00:37:14,560 --> 00:37:16,839
Speaker 1: seen both ways, and I don't remember. I haven't had

660
00:37:16,840 --> 00:37:19,319
Speaker 1: one for years either, but I feel like there was

661
00:37:19,360 --> 00:37:21,800
Speaker 1: there the last one you opened on Christmas, I thought,

662
00:37:21,800 --> 00:37:23,920
Speaker 1: But maybe it is Christmas Eve that you opened the

663
00:37:24,000 --> 00:37:25,719
Speaker 1: last one and you wake up and it's Christmas and

664
00:37:25,800 --> 00:37:29,520
Speaker 1: you burn it. Then you set it up fire uh

665
00:37:29,640 --> 00:37:33,680
Speaker 1: Latin uh in Latin, coming or arrival is what Advent means.

666
00:37:34,239 --> 00:37:38,160
Speaker 1: So obviously the arrival of Christmas and the first Advent

667
00:37:38,239 --> 00:37:41,400
Speaker 1: calendar that uh, you know, we kind of recognize. This

668
00:37:41,480 --> 00:37:44,560
Speaker 1: one was introduced later than I thought, in nineteen o

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Speaker 1: eight in uh Munich or as we would say in

670
00:37:47,840 --> 00:37:55,040
Speaker 1: German club Munichian Germany, by Gerard Long. Gerard, No, I

671
00:37:55,080 --> 00:37:57,440
Speaker 1: think it would be Gerhardt line. That's what I thought.

672
00:37:58,320 --> 00:38:01,439
Speaker 1: He really threw me off. They were in Saxony or something,

673
00:38:03,440 --> 00:38:06,279
Speaker 1: so Long actually said. It was my dear sweet mother

674
00:38:06,320 --> 00:38:08,560
Speaker 1: who introduced me to the Advent calendar. She used to

675
00:38:08,600 --> 00:38:11,960
Speaker 1: make them for me by hand herself, put little pastries

676
00:38:11,960 --> 00:38:15,000
Speaker 1: in there so that every day, um, I would get

677
00:38:15,040 --> 00:38:16,960
Speaker 1: to eat a little sweet and that was my treat

678
00:38:17,000 --> 00:38:20,279
Speaker 1: for Advent. And he loved it so much and loved

679
00:38:20,280 --> 00:38:22,040
Speaker 1: his dear sweet mother so much that he grew up

680
00:38:22,080 --> 00:38:24,320
Speaker 1: as an adult and in nineteen o eight he released

681
00:38:24,360 --> 00:38:28,400
Speaker 1: the first Advent calendar. But it was the suckiest Advent

682
00:38:28,520 --> 00:38:31,120
Speaker 1: calendar you could possibly get, because it was just a

683
00:38:31,160 --> 00:38:33,640
Speaker 1: flat piece of paper. There were no treats involved. There

684
00:38:33,640 --> 00:38:37,719
Speaker 1: are no doors to open. You just crossed off the day.

685
00:38:37,880 --> 00:38:41,400
Speaker 1: And I think gerhart Lang's mother haunted him by his

686
00:38:41,440 --> 00:38:45,520
Speaker 1: bedside for years until he finally in nine added doors

687
00:38:45,560 --> 00:38:48,399
Speaker 1: to his Advent calendars and put sweets inside. And then

688
00:38:48,440 --> 00:38:52,000
Speaker 1: everybody said okay, and his dear sweet mother could rest

689
00:38:52,000 --> 00:38:54,040
Speaker 1: in peace from that point on and went off to heaven.

690
00:38:55,360 --> 00:39:00,280
Speaker 1: That's nice German heaven. Uh. This went throughout Germany of first,

691
00:39:00,280 --> 00:39:02,960
Speaker 1: and they were they were selling and printing these things

692
00:39:03,000 --> 00:39:06,359
Speaker 1: like crazy up until World War One and in World

693
00:39:06,400 --> 00:39:09,000
Speaker 1: War Two when they stopped doing it because of the

694
00:39:09,040 --> 00:39:11,880
Speaker 1: paper rations. But you'll be glad to know. Then in

695
00:39:11,920 --> 00:39:15,840
Speaker 1: World War Two, the Nazis still printed their own Advent

696
00:39:15,920 --> 00:39:19,960
Speaker 1: calendars with Nazi propaganda stuff behind the little doors. Yeah,

697
00:39:20,000 --> 00:39:22,200
Speaker 1: they took all the churchy stuff out. Yeah, but in

698
00:39:22,200 --> 00:39:25,160
Speaker 1: the little pagan symbols. Uh. And then after World War

699
00:39:25,200 --> 00:39:27,839
Speaker 1: Two they kind of cranked up the operation again. Yeah,

700
00:39:27,880 --> 00:39:31,239
Speaker 1: they got back to normal. Everybody's like, thank God. And

701
00:39:31,280 --> 00:39:34,200
Speaker 1: apparently they just stayed basically in Germany. It was a

702
00:39:34,239 --> 00:39:38,879
Speaker 1: German tradition among Lutherans and other German Protestants. And then

703
00:39:38,880 --> 00:39:43,040
Speaker 1: in the fifties h Dwight Eisenhower, dear old Ike was

704
00:39:43,080 --> 00:39:47,160
Speaker 1: photographed with his grandchildren around Christmas time opening an Advent calendar,

705
00:39:47,200 --> 00:39:49,520
Speaker 1: and everybody said, I like Ike. So they went out

706
00:39:49,560 --> 00:39:51,839
Speaker 1: and bought event calendars, and they suddenly became a lot

707
00:39:51,880 --> 00:39:56,960
Speaker 1: more widespread in the United States, and today they are widespread,

708
00:39:57,000 --> 00:39:59,879
Speaker 1: to say the least, and they really bear little rese

709
00:40:00,080 --> 00:40:03,919
Speaker 1: went to that original Sucky Night Advent calendar that Gary

710
00:40:03,960 --> 00:40:06,520
Speaker 1: hart Lion came up with. Yeah, you know, when I

711
00:40:06,600 --> 00:40:09,440
Speaker 1: bought them, they do resemble it. It's still sort of

712
00:40:09,480 --> 00:40:13,640
Speaker 1: the traditional Advent calendar with just the simple little chocolate

713
00:40:13,680 --> 00:40:17,440
Speaker 1: in there, but they can get quite fancy. Now. Apparently

714
00:40:17,480 --> 00:40:21,320
Speaker 1: you can get large calendars with beer or wine or

715
00:40:21,360 --> 00:40:23,479
Speaker 1: whiskey in them, which I think is kind of cool.

716
00:40:24,640 --> 00:40:28,160
Speaker 1: What else, Um, if you're a little kid and you're like,

717
00:40:28,440 --> 00:40:31,439
Speaker 1: I really want to be exposed to branding all month

718
00:40:31,520 --> 00:40:35,040
Speaker 1: long to really get me primed to ask for certain

719
00:40:35,239 --> 00:40:38,279
Speaker 1: certain presents, then they've got Advent calendars for you. They

720
00:40:38,280 --> 00:40:42,480
Speaker 1: have roadblocks, they have Lego hot Wheels minecraft. Some of

721
00:40:42,520 --> 00:40:45,920
Speaker 1: them managed to be doubly branded. There's Harry Potter Lego

722
00:40:46,400 --> 00:40:52,799
Speaker 1: Advent calendars, Pokemon Funco Advent calendars, it's an advertising bananza

723
00:40:53,200 --> 00:40:57,560
Speaker 1: all about the arrival of the baby Jesus. I bet

724
00:40:57,560 --> 00:41:01,120
Speaker 1: Amazon sales one that's just a tiny little QR code

725
00:41:01,120 --> 00:41:04,239
Speaker 1: for five percent off something that's right, and like you

726
00:41:04,320 --> 00:41:07,160
Speaker 1: open each jour in the messages you love Amazon, I

727
00:41:07,200 --> 00:41:12,040
Speaker 1: love Amazon. You cannot do without Amazon. Uh. And then

728
00:41:12,160 --> 00:41:14,840
Speaker 1: there is one that uh I meant to look this

729
00:41:14,920 --> 00:41:17,239
Speaker 1: up and see a picture of it, but apparently if

730
00:41:17,239 --> 00:41:20,960
Speaker 1: you have way too much money and you're a uh no,

731
00:41:21,040 --> 00:41:22,520
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna say what kind of person might do?

732
00:41:22,520 --> 00:41:26,600
Speaker 1: Is okay because it's our kids are listening. But you

733
00:41:26,640 --> 00:41:29,759
Speaker 1: can get one from Tiffany and Company, which has it's

734
00:41:29,800 --> 00:41:34,160
Speaker 1: a big crate with you know, legit jewelry inside each

735
00:41:34,239 --> 00:41:37,720
Speaker 1: day to give your special someone twenty four individually wrapped

736
00:41:37,760 --> 00:41:41,480
Speaker 1: Tiffany gifts. I think in this crate man the spirit

737
00:41:41,520 --> 00:41:43,600
Speaker 1: of giving. That's what they call that. I guess so.

738
00:41:44,160 --> 00:41:47,520
Speaker 1: And by the way, everybody advent calendars was the suggestion

739
00:41:47,560 --> 00:41:50,920
Speaker 1: of another little helper named Alexandra Stock who sent in

740
00:41:51,000 --> 00:41:53,680
Speaker 1: that one and a whole list of others. So thanks

741
00:41:53,760 --> 00:41:57,640
Speaker 1: for that, and Chuck, I think it's Jerry's time to

742
00:41:57,680 --> 00:42:17,839
Speaker 1: shine again right now? All right, we're back and Uh,

743
00:42:18,040 --> 00:42:23,000
Speaker 1: we need to shout out Time magazine and and this

744
00:42:23,080 --> 00:42:26,160
Speaker 1: is going to be a dead giveaway Festivus web dot

745
00:42:26,200 --> 00:42:33,560
Speaker 1: com for this next bit. Yes, so we're talking about Festivus, Chuck, Festivus,

746
00:42:33,760 --> 00:42:36,719
Speaker 1: the festival for the rest of us or the festivals

747
00:42:36,800 --> 00:42:38,680
Speaker 1: for the rest of us, depending on who you talk to.

748
00:42:39,680 --> 00:42:42,040
Speaker 1: That's right. Uh, if you don't know what we're talking about,

749
00:42:42,200 --> 00:42:45,799
Speaker 1: then you probably are not a Seinfeld fan. But Festivus

750
00:42:47,000 --> 00:42:50,920
Speaker 1: was in the of an episode of The Strike in

751
00:42:50,960 --> 00:42:54,920
Speaker 1: the ninth season when Frank Costanza the great great Jerry Stiller,

752
00:42:55,840 --> 00:42:58,279
Speaker 1: Uh has he left us or is he around? Don't

753
00:42:58,280 --> 00:43:02,800
Speaker 1: know when? And Mara died? Don't know? All right, should

754
00:43:02,800 --> 00:43:05,520
Speaker 1: we get our our our person to check on this? Hey,

755
00:43:05,600 --> 00:43:11,719
Speaker 1: check on that? Will you on it? I think people

756
00:43:11,800 --> 00:43:13,839
Speaker 1: think we do have like a dedicated researcher at our

757
00:43:13,880 --> 00:43:17,759
Speaker 1: side at all times, and they're not very good. So

758
00:43:17,880 --> 00:43:21,400
Speaker 1: Jerry still er, Uh, this is great. He staged a

759
00:43:21,440 --> 00:43:25,640
Speaker 1: war on Christmas and created Festivus. With one of the

760
00:43:25,680 --> 00:43:28,719
Speaker 1: great lines in Seinfeld history, he said, many Christmases ago,

761
00:43:29,400 --> 00:43:30,880
Speaker 1: I went to buy a doll for my son. I

762
00:43:30,920 --> 00:43:32,560
Speaker 1: reached for the last one they had, but so did

763
00:43:32,600 --> 00:43:35,880
Speaker 1: another man and here's the line. As I rained blows

764
00:43:36,000 --> 00:43:39,359
Speaker 1: upon him, I realized there had to be another way

765
00:43:39,719 --> 00:43:45,240
Speaker 1: that Christmas twice today? You you watched it twice today.

766
00:43:45,280 --> 00:43:49,640
Speaker 1: Oh my gosh. It is flawless. Man. It has it all.

767
00:43:49,840 --> 00:43:53,960
Speaker 1: Cramers on a bagel strikes like giving her fake number

768
00:43:53,960 --> 00:43:56,960
Speaker 1: out and trying to get a free sub, Kruger's in it,

769
00:43:57,560 --> 00:44:03,200
Speaker 1: George's Human Fund, like fake charity, Cherry's two faced girlfriend,

770
00:44:03,320 --> 00:44:06,680
Speaker 1: like everything is in that one. It's just an amazing

771
00:44:06,760 --> 00:44:10,319
Speaker 1: flaw this episode. I love it. Uh So this is

772
00:44:10,480 --> 00:44:14,440
Speaker 1: on the show. It's celebrated on December twenty three because

773
00:44:14,440 --> 00:44:17,399
Speaker 1: he wanted to get a leg up on Christmas. Uh

774
00:44:17,440 --> 00:44:20,439
Speaker 1: and he he practiced festivals with the Festivus pole, which

775
00:44:20,480 --> 00:44:23,480
Speaker 1: was a bare aluminum pole in the living room or

776
00:44:23,480 --> 00:44:27,560
Speaker 1: the backyard with no decoration. And they have, of course

777
00:44:27,680 --> 00:44:30,880
Speaker 1: the airing of the family grievances and then engage in

778
00:44:31,040 --> 00:44:34,839
Speaker 1: the feats of strength. That's right. So everybody knows that

779
00:44:35,000 --> 00:44:38,720
Speaker 1: Seinfeld and Seinfeld writers just created this out of whole cloth,

780
00:44:38,840 --> 00:44:42,520
Speaker 1: and Festivus was born. And I mean almost immediately people

781
00:44:42,600 --> 00:44:45,719
Speaker 1: just started taking up festivals and celebrating festivals as well,

782
00:44:45,760 --> 00:44:48,879
Speaker 1: and still do today. Very much. But it turns out,

783
00:44:48,960 --> 00:44:52,279
Speaker 1: and I had no idea about this, but one of

784
00:44:52,280 --> 00:44:57,680
Speaker 1: the writers on Seinfeld, Dan O'Keeffe, his father, Daniel O'Keeffe Sr.

785
00:44:57,920 --> 00:45:01,120
Speaker 1: Actually created festivals back in the six these and little

786
00:45:01,200 --> 00:45:04,120
Speaker 1: Dan O'Keefe, as a kid in the seventies and eighties,

787
00:45:04,440 --> 00:45:07,759
Speaker 1: celebrated it with his family every single year. So Festivus

788
00:45:07,800 --> 00:45:10,799
Speaker 1: was a real thing. The other writers of Seinfeld forced

789
00:45:10,840 --> 00:45:14,160
Speaker 1: Dan O'Keefe to basically include in an episode. Yeah. I

790
00:45:15,160 --> 00:45:17,480
Speaker 1: think I may have heard that at some point, but

791
00:45:17,560 --> 00:45:21,400
Speaker 1: didn't really have it ingrained in my mind until this

792
00:45:21,480 --> 00:45:25,080
Speaker 1: popped up. And it just makes it all the better

793
00:45:25,320 --> 00:45:27,759
Speaker 1: the fact that this was a real thing. As the

794
00:45:27,760 --> 00:45:31,440
Speaker 1: family story goes in nineteen sixty six, on the eve

795
00:45:32,160 --> 00:45:34,520
Speaker 1: of the first date that Daniel Sr. Had with his

796
00:45:35,080 --> 00:45:40,840
Speaker 1: UH fiance to be Deborah Uh, they commemorate Festivus and

797
00:45:40,880 --> 00:45:45,040
Speaker 1: they became an annual tradition. Some differences is they did

798
00:45:45,080 --> 00:45:50,160
Speaker 1: not have a Festivus pole. I was creative for the show, uh,

799
00:45:50,239 --> 00:45:52,680
Speaker 1: and it was not on a set date. Apparently in

800
00:45:52,719 --> 00:45:55,319
Speaker 1: the O'Keefe family, happened at any time in the year

801
00:45:55,400 --> 00:45:57,839
Speaker 1: and never actually happened at Christmas. Yeah, I reade an

802
00:45:57,880 --> 00:45:59,959
Speaker 1: interview with Dan O'Keefe, and he said he never knew

803
00:46:00,560 --> 00:46:02,879
Speaker 1: when they were going to celebrate festivals until he got

804
00:46:02,880 --> 00:46:06,120
Speaker 1: off the bus after school and his dad like had

805
00:46:06,120 --> 00:46:09,239
Speaker 1: the decorations on, was playing weird sixties French music and

806
00:46:09,680 --> 00:46:14,400
Speaker 1: I guess I love that so much better than it

807
00:46:14,440 --> 00:46:17,360
Speaker 1: being a Christmas thing. Yeah, it's amazing. Yeah, there's no

808
00:46:17,360 --> 00:46:20,520
Speaker 1: no idea when. But they actually did air grievances. That

809
00:46:20,600 --> 00:46:22,279
Speaker 1: was part of it, and it seems to be part

810
00:46:22,320 --> 00:46:25,759
Speaker 1: of like the actual theme or reason four festivals. As

811
00:46:25,840 --> 00:46:29,840
Speaker 1: Daniel O'Keeffe senior conceived of it, that it was partially

812
00:46:29,920 --> 00:46:33,440
Speaker 1: just kind of like blow off steam, get out what

813
00:46:33,680 --> 00:46:35,520
Speaker 1: was bothering you about the rest of the family, and

814
00:46:35,520 --> 00:46:38,359
Speaker 1: then you drew off. You know, it's a healthy thing

815
00:46:38,400 --> 00:46:41,719
Speaker 1: to do. They didn't call it the airing of the grievances.

816
00:46:41,719 --> 00:46:45,240
Speaker 1: They just you know, basically spoke about their beefs uh.

817
00:46:45,560 --> 00:46:49,240
Speaker 1: They um apparently were inspired or the senior Daniels inspired

818
00:46:49,280 --> 00:46:52,960
Speaker 1: by a Samuel Beckett play called Crap's Last Tape where

819
00:46:53,239 --> 00:46:55,960
Speaker 1: the protagonist in the movie or I'm starting to play

820
00:46:56,200 --> 00:46:59,520
Speaker 1: Um tapes himself speaking at different points in his life.

821
00:46:59,560 --> 00:47:02,320
Speaker 1: And so the O'Keefe family used a tape recorder to

822
00:47:02,400 --> 00:47:05,520
Speaker 1: record their festivus and these some of these tapes still

823
00:47:05,560 --> 00:47:09,759
Speaker 1: exist apparently from little Dan's life, which is great. Yeah,

824
00:47:09,800 --> 00:47:13,600
Speaker 1: and there's actually in that episode Frank Costanza brings into

825
00:47:13,600 --> 00:47:17,080
Speaker 1: old tape recorder and plays an audio tape of one

826
00:47:17,120 --> 00:47:19,759
Speaker 1: of the festivals. Is where they just saw the whole

827
00:47:19,760 --> 00:47:23,040
Speaker 1: family descends into screaming and George's crying and it's it's

828
00:47:23,080 --> 00:47:27,160
Speaker 1: pretty good. Seriously, you need to watch the episode again.

829
00:47:27,719 --> 00:47:31,120
Speaker 1: So good. I'm like, man, this show was good, and

830
00:47:31,160 --> 00:47:33,920
Speaker 1: that was a really great episode. I'm gonna do that

831
00:47:34,000 --> 00:47:37,200
Speaker 1: right after this. Actually, this was exactly what I'm gonna do. Um.

832
00:47:37,239 --> 00:47:40,359
Speaker 1: One of the traditions that they did that that was

833
00:47:40,400 --> 00:47:43,680
Speaker 1: not on the show was this is really funny. It

834
00:47:43,719 --> 00:47:45,840
Speaker 1: was called a clock into bag or a clock in

835
00:47:45,920 --> 00:47:50,320
Speaker 1: a bag. And the thing here is that apparently even

836
00:47:50,880 --> 00:47:53,360
Speaker 1: the kids still don't know what that was all about.

837
00:47:53,440 --> 00:47:56,040
Speaker 1: This is something the dad did and they would ask him,

838
00:47:56,080 --> 00:47:58,360
Speaker 1: like Dad, what is the clock in the bag all about?

839
00:47:58,480 --> 00:48:00,680
Speaker 1: And he would say, that's not for you to know.

840
00:48:02,520 --> 00:48:04,120
Speaker 1: So they just had to go along with it and

841
00:48:04,239 --> 00:48:08,160
Speaker 1: honor the clock in the bank. And apparently one of

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Speaker 1: the other famous things about Festivists. The Festivals for the

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Speaker 1: rest of Us is what a lot of people say.

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Speaker 1: It's the slogan that's on that episode. That actually was

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Speaker 1: a slogan for Festivus with the Keith family, they called

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Speaker 1: it the Festival for the rest of Us, And initially

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Speaker 1: um was kind of a bit of dark humor reference

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Speaker 1: to Daniel O'Keeffe Senior's mom dying, and so it was

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Speaker 1: a festival for the rest of them left over after

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Speaker 1: his mom died. But it was part of the point

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Speaker 1: was to um move on each year, to like, you know,

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Speaker 1: are your grievances and kind of bid a dude to

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Speaker 1: whatever problems you had and just move on rather than

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Speaker 1: dwelling in the past and your problems and that that

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Speaker 1: seems to be tied in with that. So it was

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Speaker 1: I as if Festivus could have gotten any better, It

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Speaker 1: just did for me. I love it. So we should

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Speaker 1: do that now, Josh, I've been meaning to say, you're

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Speaker 1: not so great at mass, and oh, yeah, that's all

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Speaker 1: I have to say. Uh, your your putdowns are actually

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Speaker 1: not that bad. How about that? That's my big problem?

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Speaker 1: All right, we've gotten it. We've gotten that out of

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Speaker 1: the way. I feel so much better. I do too.

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Speaker 1: I love it. I think it's great that it was

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Speaker 1: a real thing and the writers had to kind of

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Speaker 1: put him up to it. Apparently Dan was a little

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Speaker 1: reticent about sharing this, but his since I think he

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Speaker 1: went on to write a book about it even Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I think so too. He fully embraced it. Yeah, I

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Speaker 1: mean with a set of cash. He right, and he

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Speaker 1: definitely likes set loose, a huge cultural juggernaut on the

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Speaker 1: on the world, which is cool. I love it. And

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Speaker 1: this makes me think of Aaron Cooper, So we want

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Speaker 1: to shout out Aaron, because I know Aaron loves Festivus

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Speaker 1: for sure. Happy Festivus, Cooper, and happy Festivus to all

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Speaker 1: the rest of us. Yeah, and thanks thanks for another

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Speaker 1: great year everybody, and you and Jerry and Dave and

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Speaker 1: we gotta think Dave Ruse, we gotta thank our newest

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Speaker 1: member Libya, and we gotta thank Grabowski and uh, Julia, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: that's right, Julia Layton. And also thank you to our

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Speaker 1: special elf helpers Um, Adam Stevenson, Robert Paulson, of course

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Speaker 1: Alexandra stock Um for coming up with these great suggestions

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Speaker 1: for us. Were appreciate that big time. And like Chuck said,

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Speaker 1: happy Holidays, Merry Christmas, Happy New Year, Happy Hanuka, happy Kwanza,

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Speaker 1: as they say in that episode of The Simpsons, have

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Speaker 1: a tip top ted. And we appreciate you guys joining

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Speaker 1: us every year for this thing because we really look

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Speaker 1: forward to it. And Chuck, I have to say, after

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Speaker 1: a wonky ish episode, which I think was very appropriate

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Speaker 1: for I feel like we got our our Christmas spirit

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Speaker 1: back in this one. I think so. And of course,

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Speaker 1: if this is a tough time of year for you,

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Speaker 1: which it often is for some people we're thinking about you,

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Speaker 1: hang in there, get through these holidays and uh and

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Speaker 1: look forward to hopefully a better next year. So in

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Speaker 1: the meantime, everybody, happy holidays from all of us. It's

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