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Speaker 2: Welcome, Welcome, Well Come, Welcome, Welcome, Welcome, Welcome home. Y'all,
Speaker 2: This is Angela Rye with Tivity Cross and Andrew Gillum.
Speaker 3: You tuned into this week's mini pod.
Speaker 1: So on this show, we are constantly making decisions about
Speaker 1: what topics to present to you guys who listen at home.
Speaker 1: Thank you for tuning in every week. And we have
Speaker 1: a duty that we take very seriously to discuss stories
Speaker 1: that are not only relevant to our audience, but we
Speaker 1: treat it like what you want to know and what
Speaker 1: you need to know. So I know that you guys
Speaker 1: have heard me grown consistently about when we cover Trump,
Speaker 1: because I do.
Speaker 4: I really get tired of it.
Speaker 1: And behind the scenes, this has been an ongoing debate
Speaker 1: between us, and we want to bring you in the
Speaker 1: process of how we decide what to cover, why we
Speaker 1: decide these things, And I've often said our most interesting
Speaker 1: conversations take place when we're in the hotel getting here
Speaker 1: and makeup and you know, getting ourselves together, or when
Speaker 1: we're remote we have a call with just the of
Speaker 1: us co hosts where we talk about these things. So
Speaker 1: I want to dive right in and talk about some
Speaker 1: of the things that we've debated in the past about
Speaker 1: covering and some of the things that's an ongoing debate
Speaker 1: with us now. And I wish we had a videographer
Speaker 1: this morning, because you all would have seen a Jerry
Speaker 1: Springer throw down with the three of us, the three
Speaker 1: of us about what we cover. I take behind the scenes.
Speaker 1: They get tired of me. Okay, no, never, that's so
Speaker 1: I don't I know, we have a clip to play.
Speaker 1: I don't want to start us out there well because
Speaker 1: I think it's on the same tone of things that
Speaker 1: we have disagreed about covering before, and Trump, I think
Speaker 1: leads that I you know, I've talked about covering him
Speaker 1: at nauseum.
Speaker 4: I think people are tired of it, exhausted.
Speaker 1: And I think it is and we all come to
Speaker 1: this in three different roles, three different histories, and three
Speaker 1: different goals. You know, we have different goals that we
Speaker 1: have on this podcast. And I think for me, I
Speaker 1: have never wanted to follow the news, but drive the news.
Speaker 1: And so while everybody else is talking about Trump, I think,
Speaker 1: what are are people at home not hearing about? Which
Speaker 1: is a thousand things every single day.
Speaker 4: Angela.
Speaker 1: I'll let you say what you think, but I feel
Speaker 1: like your thing is this is a big, huge story
Speaker 1: and you are super concerned about him getting back in
Speaker 1: the White House, like we all are. But you're like, no,
Speaker 1: we got to sound the alarm on this, and Andrew
Speaker 1: you have said, like, not normalized this. Something that we
Speaker 1: played that I had a serious challenge with was the
Speaker 1: clip from of the black people talking about voting for
Speaker 1: Trump people.
Speaker 3: Trump oro Biden.
Speaker 5: Trump say that the business man he's gonna think and
Speaker 5: Biden is a racist?
Speaker 3: Who do you think has done more for the black community?
Speaker 3: Trump a bider. I ain't even see Biden yet.
Speaker 5: I know Trump was out, he was at Brod That's
Speaker 5: why he felt as Wall Mike everything. And you know,
Speaker 5: we've been here all the time and can't get a
Speaker 5: free Hamburger and they come here get all this shit.
Speaker 5: And I'm saying, so that's why I say, yeah, Biden,
Speaker 5: he ain't doing she Han shit. So but Trump, I
Speaker 5: would feel that he would be the better person to
Speaker 5: get in Biden.
Speaker 1: I'll tell you what my challenge was as a journalists
Speaker 1: have to remind myself we're not in the newsroom, you know.
Speaker 1: But in my mind, I think this is the newsroom
Speaker 1: and we're you know. But I thought immediately it felt
Speaker 1: irresponsible for me because I had never heard of this outlet.
Speaker 1: It was like Black Conservative Network one. Two, It hadn't
Speaker 1: been independently vetted, Like, we don't know what this is,
Speaker 1: you know. Three, are these paid people? Do we know
Speaker 1: these were actual voters? They said they were. That's why
Speaker 1: I stopped myself and saying, black people in Chicago, I
Speaker 1: don't even know that. They said they're in Chicago. We
Speaker 1: don't know where y'all paid to participate? How do we
Speaker 1: know your registered voters? And in a newsroom you feel
Speaker 1: comfortable playing whatever because it's been vetted eighteen times. I
Speaker 1: also thought the narrative of black people voting for Trump
Speaker 1: is another irresponsible one that the media pushes consistently. Angela,
Speaker 1: you thought really strongly about playing that, and so we
Speaker 1: we cut out what the discussion between us and I
Speaker 1: kind of now as we left back in, I want
Speaker 1: to hear.
Speaker 3: Some of it, some of it but not all of it, okay.
Speaker 1: And we cut the sound bite short. So I but
Speaker 1: what they whatever they missed? I want you to say,
Speaker 1: like why.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't want to do a deep dive on
Speaker 2: this necessarily, but I will say this.
Speaker 3: I get asked.
Speaker 2: I don't know about y'all, but I consistently get asked
Speaker 2: by folks who are older than me, how do they
Speaker 2: talk to their kids? How do they talk to their
Speaker 2: grandkids who are saying they might vote for Trump, or
Speaker 2: they're free thinkers, or they might sit at home, which
Speaker 2: to us, to me is you know, basically a de
Speaker 2: facto vote for Trump. I also am hearing so much,
Speaker 2: I think, especially when we first started the pot. Around
Speaker 2: that time, there was so much rumbling about the migrant
Speaker 2: crisis in Chicago, in LA in New York, and how
Speaker 2: people were responding to that, particularly in our communit these
Speaker 2: because they felt uncared for by people who we consistently elect,
Speaker 2: and that has been an age old problem too. And
Speaker 2: then I think, finally, I want us to always feel
Speaker 2: safe delving into the things that make us cringe and
Speaker 2: uncomfortable and have to face what is.
Speaker 3: And I think that partially comes from my trauma.
Speaker 2: Around the twenty sixteen election, because I was so freaking
Speaker 2: cocky about what was not going to happen. I was
Speaker 2: so there's no way nobody thinks like that, and this
Speaker 2: time I'm like, no, I'm gonna hone in. Even if
Speaker 2: it was a video that is like rife with misinformation,
Speaker 2: I want to see it because I want to know
Speaker 2: what the other arguments are when you are paying people
Speaker 2: to go knock on doors in ways that they haven't
Speaker 2: made that investment in our community on the progressive.
Speaker 3: Side, I want us to know what that is.
Speaker 2: And so my whole thing here is if I can
Speaker 2: reach people by going into what makes me uncomfortable, I'm
Speaker 2: gonna do it. That also, like as an attorney, that
Speaker 2: sharpens my argument. So I want to know what's being said.
Speaker 2: I'll leave it there because but even.
Speaker 1: The piece of we don't really know what this is,
Speaker 1: you know, I don't even know where we got it from.
Speaker 1: But I'm like, I literally have never heard about it,
Speaker 1: So I wonder your it was online.
Speaker 2: They played it on Fox, you know, but I'm saying,
Speaker 2: you know, you can laugh.
Speaker 1: But that goes to my point though, like Fox, you know,
Speaker 1: to me, it just wasn't vetted.
Speaker 2: Ino Fox is like, it doesn't have to be vetted
Speaker 2: more more millions of people are so I would think
Speaker 2: even people on our side, because they want to know
Speaker 2: what the other side's saying. Then I would argue, if
Speaker 2: we were gonna play, and I want to say, Angel
Speaker 2: will put this in the script, because when me Andrew
Speaker 2: were like what anels like, I mean, it was in
Speaker 2: the script, you know, like I put it there. We
Speaker 2: just hadn't looked at it, so it was there. But
Speaker 2: then I would say to I would have put a caveat, like, oh,
Speaker 2: let me just be clear, we don't know what this is,
Speaker 2: so that would you even get to it because y'all
Speaker 2: had this reaction. I didn't get to even say, like,
Speaker 2: this is this ship that they're playing?
Speaker 1: Your platform something like that, because I think that is
Speaker 1: the bigger question when you platform something like that or
Speaker 1: what we choose to platform, are you drawing unnecessary attention
Speaker 1: to it? Are you elevating something based off what all
Speaker 1: of them are said, Cause you're saying, I'm leaning it,
Speaker 1: I'm traumatized, and it makes me uncomfortable and cringe.
Speaker 4: I want to lean into it.
Speaker 1: Think about all the people out there who make us
Speaker 1: uncomfortable and cringe worthy because they're saying something asinine and
Speaker 1: ignorant by us having this platform, elevating it, presenting it
Speaker 1: out there are we helping them say, now, look at
Speaker 1: this what I would call nonsense and weigh in and
Speaker 1: taking time away from something more substantive. And I want,
Speaker 1: I want you all to know Andrew told me we
Speaker 1: need not be so highbrow and our covers.
Speaker 3: I want Andrew to.
Speaker 4: Weigh it on that too. But that's what I put
Speaker 4: out there to y'all.
Speaker 6: So I'll just offer. I heard you say this is
Speaker 6: what they're playing on Fox, and it pricked me because
Speaker 6: I couldn't tolerate the exercise of listening to Fox and
Speaker 6: your comment just now about you can't the Kravat's javits centered.
Speaker 3: Down the street, yes, yes.
Speaker 6: Talking to Bill Clinton as it looked like the world
Speaker 6: was coming. I couldn't believe what was happening. In fact,
Speaker 6: I left so early in the night because it to
Speaker 6: go to the airport to sleep at the airport so
Speaker 6: I could be on the first flight out the next
Speaker 6: morning back home to just get in bed and sleep,
Speaker 6: because I wasn't sure what the world was going to
Speaker 6: be made right, So I remember the trauma of that,
Speaker 6: and those two things helped me to play along my
Speaker 6: objection around the focusing of that particular video, was you
Speaker 6: said it was playing on Fox, and I said to myself, Okay,
Speaker 6: so we really ever get our voices centered in the
Speaker 6: news on Fox? And so the one time you're going
Speaker 6: to put black folk voices on your platform is when
Speaker 6: they are talking nonsense. I mean just I was so
Speaker 6: mad at everybody in that thing. And you're right, I
Speaker 6: didn't know whether they were paid with the actor. I
Speaker 6: didn't know any of that. None of us did. But
Speaker 6: on the rare occasions in which we're going to get
Speaker 6: a platform, let's at least elevate where there is a
Speaker 6: majoritarian view, or at least a critical mass view, not
Speaker 6: this very narrow and isolated view. Yeah, maybe it's more
Speaker 6: than we would want, but ten percent of the voter
Speaker 6: voting black. You know, folks in this country are voting
Speaker 6: for Trump of what we have baked in, that's what
Speaker 6: they have pretty much gotten.
Speaker 3: It's just my point.
Speaker 1: That's always been the case. So this whole like sound
Speaker 1: the alarm narrative that I'm like that happened in every
Speaker 1: election except for Obama.
Speaker 6: I do think it's important to sound the alarm. I
Speaker 6: did not want to platform what was a view that
Speaker 6: I don't hear e spread ever in that way and
Speaker 6: then use that as the jumping off point to either
Speaker 6: agree with the popular assertion that blacks are flocking the
Speaker 6: Trump or to disagree with blacks flocking the Trump. There
Speaker 6: are other ways in which I felt like that point
Speaker 6: could have been made short of that video. That video, however,
Speaker 6: was shocked. It was awe and it did percolate up
Speaker 6: a conversation amongst you know, our new followers.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it wasn't just us.
Speaker 6: I know it.
Speaker 3: I know it.
Speaker 6: People were shocked that we were As our j told me,
Speaker 6: they were shocked that we were shocked to hear.
Speaker 4: Those I wasn't shocked to hear the comments.
Speaker 6: Well, I didn't believe them. I didn't believe them, was
Speaker 6: my thing.
Speaker 2: All Right, y'all, we're going to take a quick break
Speaker 2: and we'll be right back.
Speaker 6: The fools and the fact that everybody else seems to
Speaker 6: have heard all this stuff calculating.
Speaker 1: I'm not saying I hadn't heard it, Andrew, I'm saying
Speaker 1: I don't want to be an echo tanker for they
Speaker 1: play on five.
Speaker 6: I guess I should say that's how we.
Speaker 2: Were talking about what we were we were supposed to
Speaker 2: cover overall, and now we're.
Speaker 6: Why But then let me excuse myself if I could
Speaker 6: just finish this point, which is to say, I don't
Speaker 6: mean it to be an attack on this particular. I
Speaker 6: mean this to be a blowback of when we have
Speaker 6: the ability to platform something and it is a view,
Speaker 6: let it be more than a basically Trump paid ad,
Speaker 6: and maybe a more legitimate platform of voices that are this, this,
Speaker 6: that and the third. And I only use a Trump
Speaker 6: ad as a harbinger for whatever the issue is. If
Speaker 6: we're going to give it platform, we're going to give
Speaker 6: it life and breath. Don't let it be just for
Speaker 6: shocka and value, you know, shock value, But let it
Speaker 6: be for it. That's not my condemnation of this, by
Speaker 6: the way, it is in general. This is this is
Speaker 6: the bar I think I set for for how I
Speaker 6: screen things. But I also don't want to have my
Speaker 6: head so buried in the saying, knowing that my network
Speaker 6: of voices and ears say are saying one thing, and
Speaker 6: just because this disagrees with that that it isn't true.
Speaker 6: I also know that not to be the case as well.
Speaker 6: And I honestly, of the three of us, ANGELA, I
Speaker 6: trust your instincts. At a pedestrian level better than I
Speaker 6: trust most because you go to places like the breakfast
Speaker 6: club and you listen in to calls that are coming in,
Speaker 6: and I think people feel a level of access with
Speaker 6: you that they come to you and they come direct
Speaker 6: because they feel that you meet them direct.
Speaker 2: They also drag the shit out of me for being
Speaker 2: a democratic shield. I think all I'm saying is but
Speaker 2: but I can't keep saying everybody's nuts. But I think
Speaker 2: if that's their perspective, and I think everything that's a
Speaker 2: different perspective, is it nuts? Like sometimes sometimes when people,
Speaker 2: when people are so hurt and damage, they go and
Speaker 2: do the other extreme thing and it is not okay
Speaker 2: and it's not cool, but it doesn't just happen politically,
Speaker 2: and I think it is irresponsible. Like, fine, you guys
Speaker 2: didn't like the video. Cool, that's not the point. If
Speaker 2: we're only talking to ourselves, that little bubble is going
Speaker 2: to continue to shrink until we suffocate.
Speaker 3: We can say that it needed to be a legitimate source.
Speaker 2: Motherfuckers had stuff to say about when a Washington Post
Speaker 2: article came out about black people in Detroit not wanting
Speaker 2: to vote for Joe Biden and potentially voting for Donald Trump.
Speaker 2: When the uncommitted option came out, there were one hundred
Speaker 2: thousand plus people that voted uncommitted.
Speaker 3: This is at real issue. So if people take issue.
Speaker 2: With how we cover it, like, then find another option
Speaker 2: or let's talk about another option.
Speaker 3: But to be like this ain't cool.
Speaker 2: I don't like it because they're not a legitimate source,
Speaker 2: or because I don't care. What I don't want to
Speaker 2: do is ever again go back to what I did
Speaker 2: in twenty sixteen and be blind to the facts. There
Speaker 2: are millions of people who are willing to even endanger
Speaker 2: us and our policies, and they're doing it every day
Speaker 2: on Capitol Hill and through state legislatures all over this country.
Speaker 2: This is not a minority view just because it's a
Speaker 2: minority of black people. And again, I don't think that
Speaker 2: this is the point. It's not just about this one clip.
Speaker 2: It is we should be able to disagree and even
Speaker 2: if tip, if you think something is nonsense, or Andrew,
Speaker 2: you think I could have found a better source, let's
Speaker 2: find that instead of being like, oh, I'm not going
Speaker 2: to cover it.
Speaker 3: That's how we end up losing engagement.
Speaker 2: Literally, like, we're in a place now where this shit
Speaker 2: is so narrowed down and so refined and so like,
Speaker 2: we're not engaging people anymore.
Speaker 6: I don't receive that it's true, like, look at the numbers,
Speaker 6: but I think the numbers at episode eighteen are emblematic
Speaker 6: of a brand new show birthing and growing, and almost
Speaker 6: all things that are new and fresh are new and
Speaker 6: fresh at the start, and then it begins to settle
Speaker 6: into itself, and then we get a leveling point where
Speaker 6: then we make goals around what the growth areas then
Speaker 6: become think, if things always remained how they began, why
Speaker 6: the hell does anybody to have an aspiration toward doing
Speaker 6: better or a fear of what worse looks like. I'm
Speaker 6: not bothered by that because I actually believe that what
Speaker 6: was most important is for the three of us to
Speaker 6: find our voices, to sediment into what those are, allow
Speaker 6: our audience to find what their relationship is to each
Speaker 6: of us and also to our voices and ownership, so
Speaker 6: that they can give feedback. I'm not afraid of topics
Speaker 6: that I disagree with at all. That's all good with me.
Speaker 6: I'm also not afraid of news that gets covered by
Speaker 6: cable news and we cover it here because I respect
Speaker 6: the brilliance of each of your perspectives. And I almost
Speaker 6: for sure know that you're going to offer a point,
Speaker 6: probably much more salient than anything I've heard on cable news,
Speaker 6: and much more resident for me than anything I've heard
Speaker 6: anyplace else. But I don't think cable news is our bookend.
Speaker 6: I don't think that is our contrast. We are our
Speaker 6: own space. We don't have to be contrasted in that
Speaker 6: way in order to be in vogue or out of
Speaker 6: vogue if it's news. Take Trump, for instance. We got
Speaker 6: to talk about this thing because it ain't normal. It
Speaker 6: ain't natural, and there are people growing up in our
Speaker 6: democratic republic who are now perceiving these things to just
Speaker 6: be par for the course. They are not par for
Speaker 6: the course. We have all experienced democracy that looks way
Speaker 6: different than how we've observed it these last several years,
Speaker 6: almost decade. So all I'm saying is the moment we
Speaker 6: start to turn off, to tune off that, not give
Speaker 6: mention to it, not give word to it, we then
Speaker 6: I think, allow and create permission for everybody else for
Speaker 6: no good reason, to just turn off to it because
Speaker 6: it's a name that seems familiar in one that I'm
Speaker 6: tired of hearing that's a very lazy approach to maintaining
Speaker 6: a democracy. And I realize that that's not the battle
Speaker 6: everybody wakes up to fight. But you'll wake up to
Speaker 6: fight it when that shit ain't here no more. And
Speaker 6: I don't want to wait to that point, because it's
Speaker 6: too late. Very rarely do we go back and get
Speaker 6: back the rights that we gave away. Think about after
Speaker 6: nine to eleven and all the the the civil and
Speaker 6: personal rights we gave a way to the government for
Speaker 6: the sake of security. Yeah, and we never got any
Speaker 6: of it back. The government still goes into all of
Speaker 6: our shit without permission. Because Congress and the United and
Speaker 6: the and the public, the military industrial complex basically said,
Speaker 6: don't let a good crisis go to waste. Let us
Speaker 6: get into the emails, the phones, the records, the tapping,
Speaker 6: the intelligence of every individual America, and then start to
Speaker 6: build lists. These things happen. We know they do, so
Speaker 6: I we can give it up. Just because we're tired
Speaker 6: of a person's name and their recurrence in the news
Speaker 6: every day, that's not a good enough reason not to
Speaker 6: talk about it, all right.
Speaker 4: So as y'all see, we disagree on what the cover sometimes.
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