WEBVTT - TRIGGER WARNING: What Deserves a Platform? | MiniPod

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<v Speaker 1>Native Land Pod is a production of iHeartRadio in partnership

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<v Speaker 2>Welcome, Welcome, Well Come, Welcome, Welcome, Welcome, Welcome home. Y'all,

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<v Speaker 2>This is Angela Rye with Tivity Cross and Andrew Gillum.

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<v Speaker 3>You tuned into this week's mini pod.

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<v Speaker 1>So on this show, we are constantly making decisions about

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<v Speaker 1>what topics to present to you guys who listen at home.

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<v Speaker 1>Thank you for tuning in every week. And we have

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<v Speaker 1>a duty that we take very seriously to discuss stories

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<v Speaker 1>that are not only relevant to our audience, but we

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<v Speaker 1>treat it like what you want to know and what

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<v Speaker 1>you need to know. So I know that you guys

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<v Speaker 1>have heard me grown consistently about when we cover Trump,

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<v Speaker 1>because I do.

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<v Speaker 4>I really get tired of it.

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<v Speaker 1>And behind the scenes, this has been an ongoing debate

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<v Speaker 1>between us, and we want to bring you in the

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<v Speaker 1>process of how we decide what to cover, why we

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<v Speaker 1>decide these things, And I've often said our most interesting

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<v Speaker 1>conversations take place when we're in the hotel getting here

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<v Speaker 1>and makeup and you know, getting ourselves together, or when

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<v Speaker 1>we're remote we have a call with just the of

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<v Speaker 1>us co hosts where we talk about these things. So

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<v Speaker 1>I want to dive right in and talk about some

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<v Speaker 1>of the things that we've debated in the past about

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<v Speaker 1>covering and some of the things that's an ongoing debate

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<v Speaker 1>with us now. And I wish we had a videographer

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<v Speaker 1>this morning, because you all would have seen a Jerry

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<v Speaker 1>Springer throw down with the three of us, the three

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<v Speaker 1>of us about what we cover. I take behind the scenes.

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<v Speaker 1>They get tired of me. Okay, no, never, that's so

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<v Speaker 1>I don't I know, we have a clip to play.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't want to start us out there well because

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<v Speaker 1>I think it's on the same tone of things that

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<v Speaker 1>we have disagreed about covering before, and Trump, I think

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<v Speaker 1>leads that I you know, I've talked about covering him

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<v Speaker 1>at nauseum.

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<v Speaker 4>I think people are tired of it, exhausted.

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<v Speaker 1>And I think it is and we all come to

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<v Speaker 1>this in three different roles, three different histories, and three

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<v Speaker 1>different goals. You know, we have different goals that we

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<v Speaker 1>have on this podcast. And I think for me, I

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<v Speaker 1>have never wanted to follow the news, but drive the news.

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<v Speaker 1>And so while everybody else is talking about Trump, I think,

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<v Speaker 1>what are are people at home not hearing about? Which

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<v Speaker 1>is a thousand things every single day.

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<v Speaker 4>Angela.

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<v Speaker 1>I'll let you say what you think, but I feel

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<v Speaker 1>like your thing is this is a big, huge story

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<v Speaker 1>and you are super concerned about him getting back in

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<v Speaker 1>the White House, like we all are. But you're like, no,

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<v Speaker 1>we got to sound the alarm on this, and Andrew

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<v Speaker 1>you have said, like, not normalized this. Something that we

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<v Speaker 1>played that I had a serious challenge with was the

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<v Speaker 1>clip from of the black people talking about voting for

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<v Speaker 1>Trump people.

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<v Speaker 3>Trump oro Biden.

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<v Speaker 5>Trump say that the business man he's gonna think and

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<v Speaker 5>Biden is a racist?

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<v Speaker 3>Who do you think has done more for the black community?

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<v Speaker 3>Trump a bider. I ain't even see Biden yet.

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<v Speaker 5>I know Trump was out, he was at Brod That's

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<v Speaker 5>why he felt as Wall Mike everything. And you know,

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<v Speaker 5>we've been here all the time and can't get a

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<v Speaker 5>free Hamburger and they come here get all this shit.

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<v Speaker 5>And I'm saying, so that's why I say, yeah, Biden,

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<v Speaker 5>he ain't doing she Han shit. So but Trump, I

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<v Speaker 5>would feel that he would be the better person to

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<v Speaker 5>get in Biden.

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<v Speaker 1>I'll tell you what my challenge was as a journalists

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<v Speaker 1>have to remind myself we're not in the newsroom, you know.

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<v Speaker 1>But in my mind, I think this is the newsroom

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<v Speaker 1>and we're you know. But I thought immediately it felt

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<v Speaker 1>irresponsible for me because I had never heard of this outlet.

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<v Speaker 1>It was like Black Conservative Network one. Two, It hadn't

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<v Speaker 1>been independently vetted, Like, we don't know what this is,

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<v Speaker 1>you know. Three, are these paid people? Do we know

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<v Speaker 1>these were actual voters? They said they were. That's why

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<v Speaker 1>I stopped myself and saying, black people in Chicago, I

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<v Speaker 1>don't even know that. They said they're in Chicago. We

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<v Speaker 1>don't know where y'all paid to participate? How do we

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<v Speaker 1>know your registered voters? And in a newsroom you feel

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<v Speaker 1>comfortable playing whatever because it's been vetted eighteen times. I

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<v Speaker 1>also thought the narrative of black people voting for Trump

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<v Speaker 1>is another irresponsible one that the media pushes consistently. Angela,

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<v Speaker 1>you thought really strongly about playing that, and so we

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<v Speaker 1>we cut out what the discussion between us and I

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<v Speaker 1>kind of now as we left back in, I want

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<v Speaker 1>to hear.

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<v Speaker 3>Some of it, some of it but not all of it, okay.

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<v Speaker 1>And we cut the sound bite short. So I but

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<v Speaker 1>what they whatever they missed? I want you to say,

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<v Speaker 1>like why.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I don't want to do a deep dive on

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<v Speaker 2>this necessarily, but I will say this.

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<v Speaker 3>I get asked.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know about y'all, but I consistently get asked

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<v Speaker 2>by folks who are older than me, how do they

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<v Speaker 2>talk to their kids? How do they talk to their

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<v Speaker 2>grandkids who are saying they might vote for Trump, or

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<v Speaker 2>they're free thinkers, or they might sit at home, which

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<v Speaker 2>to us, to me is you know, basically a de

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<v Speaker 2>facto vote for Trump. I also am hearing so much,

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<v Speaker 2>I think, especially when we first started the pot. Around

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<v Speaker 2>that time, there was so much rumbling about the migrant

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<v Speaker 2>crisis in Chicago, in LA in New York, and how

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<v Speaker 2>people were responding to that, particularly in our communit these

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<v Speaker 2>because they felt uncared for by people who we consistently elect,

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<v Speaker 2>and that has been an age old problem too. And

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<v Speaker 2>then I think, finally, I want us to always feel

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<v Speaker 2>safe delving into the things that make us cringe and

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<v Speaker 2>uncomfortable and have to face what is.

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<v Speaker 3>And I think that partially comes from my trauma.

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<v Speaker 2>Around the twenty sixteen election, because I was so freaking

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<v Speaker 2>cocky about what was not going to happen. I was

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<v Speaker 2>so there's no way nobody thinks like that, and this

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<v Speaker 2>time I'm like, no, I'm gonna hone in. Even if

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<v Speaker 2>it was a video that is like rife with misinformation,

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<v Speaker 2>I want to see it because I want to know

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<v Speaker 2>what the other arguments are when you are paying people

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<v Speaker 2>to go knock on doors in ways that they haven't

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<v Speaker 2>made that investment in our community on the progressive.

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<v Speaker 3>Side, I want us to know what that is.

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<v Speaker 2>And so my whole thing here is if I can

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<v Speaker 2>reach people by going into what makes me uncomfortable, I'm

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<v Speaker 2>gonna do it. That also, like as an attorney, that

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<v Speaker 2>sharpens my argument. So I want to know what's being said.

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<v Speaker 2>I'll leave it there because but even.

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<v Speaker 1>The piece of we don't really know what this is,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, I don't even know where we got it from.

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<v Speaker 1>But I'm like, I literally have never heard about it,

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<v Speaker 1>So I wonder your it was online.

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<v Speaker 2>They played it on Fox, you know, but I'm saying,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, you can laugh.

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<v Speaker 1>But that goes to my point though, like Fox, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>to me, it just wasn't vetted.

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<v Speaker 2>Ino Fox is like, it doesn't have to be vetted

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<v Speaker 2>more more millions of people are so I would think

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<v Speaker 2>even people on our side, because they want to know

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<v Speaker 2>what the other side's saying. Then I would argue, if

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<v Speaker 2>we were gonna play, and I want to say, Angel

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<v Speaker 2>will put this in the script, because when me Andrew

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<v Speaker 2>were like what anels like, I mean, it was in

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<v Speaker 2>the script, you know, like I put it there. We

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<v Speaker 2>just hadn't looked at it, so it was there. But

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<v Speaker 2>then I would say to I would have put a caveat, like, oh,

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<v Speaker 2>let me just be clear, we don't know what this is,

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<v Speaker 2>so that would you even get to it because y'all

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<v Speaker 2>had this reaction. I didn't get to even say, like,

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<v Speaker 2>this is this ship that they're playing?

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<v Speaker 1>Your platform something like that, because I think that is

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<v Speaker 1>the bigger question when you platform something like that or

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<v Speaker 1>what we choose to platform, are you drawing unnecessary attention

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<v Speaker 1>to it? Are you elevating something based off what all

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<v Speaker 1>of them are said, Cause you're saying, I'm leaning it,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm traumatized, and it makes me uncomfortable and cringe.

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<v Speaker 4>I want to lean into it.

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<v Speaker 1>Think about all the people out there who make us

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<v Speaker 1>uncomfortable and cringe worthy because they're saying something asinine and

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<v Speaker 1>ignorant by us having this platform, elevating it, presenting it

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<v Speaker 1>out there are we helping them say, now, look at

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<v Speaker 1>this what I would call nonsense and weigh in and

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<v Speaker 1>taking time away from something more substantive. And I want,

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<v Speaker 1>I want you all to know Andrew told me we

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<v Speaker 1>need not be so highbrow and our covers.

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<v Speaker 3>I want Andrew to.

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<v Speaker 4>Weigh it on that too. But that's what I put

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<v Speaker 4>out there to y'all.

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<v Speaker 6>So I'll just offer. I heard you say this is

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<v Speaker 6>what they're playing on Fox, and it pricked me because

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<v Speaker 6>I couldn't tolerate the exercise of listening to Fox and

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<v Speaker 6>your comment just now about you can't the Kravat's javits centered.

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<v Speaker 3>Down the street, yes, yes.

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<v Speaker 6>Talking to Bill Clinton as it looked like the world

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<v Speaker 6>was coming. I couldn't believe what was happening. In fact,

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<v Speaker 6>I left so early in the night because it to

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<v Speaker 6>go to the airport to sleep at the airport so

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<v Speaker 6>I could be on the first flight out the next

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<v Speaker 6>morning back home to just get in bed and sleep,

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<v Speaker 6>because I wasn't sure what the world was going to

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<v Speaker 6>be made right, So I remember the trauma of that,

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<v Speaker 6>and those two things helped me to play along my

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<v Speaker 6>objection around the focusing of that particular video, was you

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<v Speaker 6>said it was playing on Fox, and I said to myself, Okay,

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<v Speaker 6>so we really ever get our voices centered in the

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<v Speaker 6>news on Fox? And so the one time you're going

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<v Speaker 6>to put black folk voices on your platform is when

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<v Speaker 6>they are talking nonsense. I mean just I was so

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<v Speaker 6>mad at everybody in that thing. And you're right, I

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<v Speaker 6>didn't know whether they were paid with the actor. I

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<v Speaker 6>didn't know any of that. None of us did. But

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<v Speaker 6>on the rare occasions in which we're going to get

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<v Speaker 6>a platform, let's at least elevate where there is a

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<v Speaker 6>majoritarian view, or at least a critical mass view, not

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<v Speaker 6>this very narrow and isolated view. Yeah, maybe it's more

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<v Speaker 6>than we would want, but ten percent of the voter

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<v Speaker 6>voting black. You know, folks in this country are voting

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<v Speaker 6>for Trump of what we have baked in, that's what

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<v Speaker 6>they have pretty much gotten.

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<v Speaker 3>It's just my point.

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<v Speaker 1>That's always been the case. So this whole like sound

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<v Speaker 1>the alarm narrative that I'm like that happened in every

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<v Speaker 1>election except for Obama.

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<v Speaker 6>I do think it's important to sound the alarm. I

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<v Speaker 6>did not want to platform what was a view that

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<v Speaker 6>I don't hear e spread ever in that way and

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<v Speaker 6>then use that as the jumping off point to either

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<v Speaker 6>agree with the popular assertion that blacks are flocking the

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<v Speaker 6>Trump or to disagree with blacks flocking the Trump. There

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<v Speaker 6>are other ways in which I felt like that point

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<v Speaker 6>could have been made short of that video. That video, however,

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<v Speaker 6>was shocked. It was awe and it did percolate up

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<v Speaker 6>a conversation amongst you know, our new followers.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, it wasn't just us.

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<v Speaker 6>I know it.

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<v Speaker 3>I know it.

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<v Speaker 6>People were shocked that we were As our j told me,

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<v Speaker 6>they were shocked that we were shocked to hear.

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<v Speaker 4>Those I wasn't shocked to hear the comments.

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<v Speaker 6>Well, I didn't believe them. I didn't believe them, was

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<v Speaker 6>my thing.

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<v Speaker 2>All Right, y'all, we're going to take a quick break

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<v Speaker 2>and we'll be right back.

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<v Speaker 6>The fools and the fact that everybody else seems to

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<v Speaker 6>have heard all this stuff calculating.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm not saying I hadn't heard it, Andrew, I'm saying

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<v Speaker 1>I don't want to be an echo tanker for they

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<v Speaker 1>play on five.

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<v Speaker 6>I guess I should say that's how we.

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<v Speaker 2>Were talking about what we were we were supposed to

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<v Speaker 2>cover overall, and now we're.

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<v Speaker 6>Why But then let me excuse myself if I could

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<v Speaker 6>just finish this point, which is to say, I don't

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<v Speaker 6>mean it to be an attack on this particular. I

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<v Speaker 6>mean this to be a blowback of when we have

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<v Speaker 6>the ability to platform something and it is a view,

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<v Speaker 6>let it be more than a basically Trump paid ad,

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<v Speaker 6>and maybe a more legitimate platform of voices that are this, this,

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<v Speaker 6>that and the third. And I only use a Trump

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<v Speaker 6>ad as a harbinger for whatever the issue is. If

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<v Speaker 6>we're going to give it platform, we're going to give

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<v Speaker 6>it life and breath. Don't let it be just for

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<v Speaker 6>shocka and value, you know, shock value, But let it

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<v Speaker 6>be for it. That's not my condemnation of this, by

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<v Speaker 6>the way, it is in general. This is this is

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<v Speaker 6>the bar I think I set for for how I

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<v Speaker 6>screen things. But I also don't want to have my

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<v Speaker 6>head so buried in the saying, knowing that my network

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<v Speaker 6>of voices and ears say are saying one thing, and

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<v Speaker 6>just because this disagrees with that that it isn't true.

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<v Speaker 6>I also know that not to be the case as well.

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<v Speaker 6>And I honestly, of the three of us, ANGELA, I

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<v Speaker 6>trust your instincts. At a pedestrian level better than I

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<v Speaker 6>trust most because you go to places like the breakfast

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<v Speaker 6>club and you listen in to calls that are coming in,

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<v Speaker 6>and I think people feel a level of access with

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<v Speaker 6>you that they come to you and they come direct

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<v Speaker 6>because they feel that you meet them direct.

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<v Speaker 2>They also drag the shit out of me for being

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<v Speaker 2>a democratic shield. I think all I'm saying is but

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<v Speaker 2>but I can't keep saying everybody's nuts. But I think

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<v Speaker 2>if that's their perspective, and I think everything that's a

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<v Speaker 2>different perspective, is it nuts? Like sometimes sometimes when people,

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<v Speaker 2>when people are so hurt and damage, they go and

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<v Speaker 2>do the other extreme thing and it is not okay

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<v Speaker 2>and it's not cool, but it doesn't just happen politically,

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<v Speaker 2>and I think it is irresponsible. Like, fine, you guys

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<v Speaker 2>didn't like the video. Cool, that's not the point. If

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<v Speaker 2>we're only talking to ourselves, that little bubble is going

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<v Speaker 2>to continue to shrink until we suffocate.

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<v Speaker 3>We can say that it needed to be a legitimate source.

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<v Speaker 2>Motherfuckers had stuff to say about when a Washington Post

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<v Speaker 2>article came out about black people in Detroit not wanting

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<v Speaker 2>to vote for Joe Biden and potentially voting for Donald Trump.

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<v Speaker 2>When the uncommitted option came out, there were one hundred

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<v Speaker 2>thousand plus people that voted uncommitted.

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<v Speaker 3>This is at real issue. So if people take issue.

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<v Speaker 2>With how we cover it, like, then find another option

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<v Speaker 2>or let's talk about another option.

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<v Speaker 3>But to be like this ain't cool.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't like it because they're not a legitimate source,

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<v Speaker 2>or because I don't care. What I don't want to

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<v Speaker 2>do is ever again go back to what I did

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<v Speaker 2>in twenty sixteen and be blind to the facts. There

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<v Speaker 2>are millions of people who are willing to even endanger

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<v Speaker 2>us and our policies, and they're doing it every day

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<v Speaker 2>on Capitol Hill and through state legislatures all over this country.

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<v Speaker 2>This is not a minority view just because it's a

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<v Speaker 2>minority of black people. And again, I don't think that

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<v Speaker 2>this is the point. It's not just about this one clip.

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<v Speaker 2>It is we should be able to disagree and even

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<v Speaker 2>if tip, if you think something is nonsense, or Andrew,

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<v Speaker 2>you think I could have found a better source, let's

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<v Speaker 2>find that instead of being like, oh, I'm not going

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<v Speaker 2>to cover it.

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<v Speaker 3>That's how we end up losing engagement.

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<v Speaker 2>Literally, like, we're in a place now where this shit

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<v Speaker 2>is so narrowed down and so refined and so like,

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<v Speaker 2>we're not engaging people anymore.

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<v Speaker 6>I don't receive that it's true, like, look at the numbers,

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<v Speaker 6>but I think the numbers at episode eighteen are emblematic

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<v Speaker 6>of a brand new show birthing and growing, and almost

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<v Speaker 6>all things that are new and fresh are new and

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<v Speaker 6>fresh at the start, and then it begins to settle

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<v Speaker 6>into itself, and then we get a leveling point where

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<v Speaker 6>then we make goals around what the growth areas then

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<v Speaker 6>become think, if things always remained how they began, why

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<v Speaker 6>the hell does anybody to have an aspiration toward doing

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<v Speaker 6>better or a fear of what worse looks like. I'm

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<v Speaker 6>not bothered by that because I actually believe that what

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<v Speaker 6>was most important is for the three of us to

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<v Speaker 6>find our voices, to sediment into what those are, allow

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<v Speaker 6>our audience to find what their relationship is to each

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<v Speaker 6>of us and also to our voices and ownership, so

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<v Speaker 6>that they can give feedback. I'm not afraid of topics

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<v Speaker 6>that I disagree with at all. That's all good with me.

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<v Speaker 6>I'm also not afraid of news that gets covered by

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<v Speaker 6>cable news and we cover it here because I respect

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<v Speaker 6>the brilliance of each of your perspectives. And I almost

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<v Speaker 6>for sure know that you're going to offer a point,

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<v Speaker 6>probably much more salient than anything I've heard on cable news,

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<v Speaker 6>and much more resident for me than anything I've heard

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<v Speaker 6>anyplace else. But I don't think cable news is our bookend.

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<v Speaker 6>I don't think that is our contrast. We are our

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<v Speaker 6>own space. We don't have to be contrasted in that

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<v Speaker 6>way in order to be in vogue or out of

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<v Speaker 6>vogue if it's news. Take Trump, for instance. We got

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<v Speaker 6>to talk about this thing because it ain't normal. It

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<v Speaker 6>ain't natural, and there are people growing up in our

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<v Speaker 6>democratic republic who are now perceiving these things to just

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<v Speaker 6>be par for the course. They are not par for

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<v Speaker 6>the course. We have all experienced democracy that looks way

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<v Speaker 6>different than how we've observed it these last several years,

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<v Speaker 6>almost decade. So all I'm saying is the moment we

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<v Speaker 6>start to turn off, to tune off that, not give

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<v Speaker 6>mention to it, not give word to it, we then

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<v Speaker 6>I think, allow and create permission for everybody else for

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<v Speaker 6>no good reason, to just turn off to it because

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<v Speaker 6>it's a name that seems familiar in one that I'm

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<v Speaker 6>tired of hearing that's a very lazy approach to maintaining

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<v Speaker 6>a democracy. And I realize that that's not the battle

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<v Speaker 6>everybody wakes up to fight. But you'll wake up to

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<v Speaker 6>fight it when that shit ain't here no more. And

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<v Speaker 6>I don't want to wait to that point, because it's

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<v Speaker 6>too late. Very rarely do we go back and get

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<v Speaker 6>back the rights that we gave away. Think about after

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<v Speaker 6>nine to eleven and all the the the civil and

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<v Speaker 6>personal rights we gave a way to the government for

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<v Speaker 6>the sake of security. Yeah, and we never got any

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<v Speaker 6>of it back. The government still goes into all of

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<v Speaker 6>our shit without permission. Because Congress and the United and

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<v Speaker 6>the and the public, the military industrial complex basically said,

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<v Speaker 6>don't let a good crisis go to waste. Let us

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<v Speaker 6>get into the emails, the phones, the records, the tapping,

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<v Speaker 6>the intelligence of every individual America, and then start to

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<v Speaker 6>build lists. These things happen. We know they do, so

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<v Speaker 6>I we can give it up. Just because we're tired

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<v Speaker 6>of a person's name and their recurrence in the news

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<v Speaker 6>every day, that's not a good enough reason not to

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<v Speaker 6>talk about it, all right.

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<v Speaker 4>So as y'all see, we disagree on what the cover sometimes.

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