1 00:00:00,120 --> 00:00:03,160 Speaker 1: Native Land Pod is a production of iHeartRadio in partnership 2 00:00:03,160 --> 00:00:04,360 Speaker 1: with Recent Choice Media. 3 00:00:05,200 --> 00:00:11,200 Speaker 2: Welcome, Welcome, Well Come, Welcome, Welcome, Welcome, Welcome home. Y'all, 4 00:00:11,320 --> 00:00:14,200 Speaker 2: This is Angela Rye with Tivity Cross and Andrew Gillum. 5 00:00:14,200 --> 00:00:16,520 Speaker 3: You tuned into this week's mini pod. 6 00:00:17,000 --> 00:00:19,720 Speaker 1: So on this show, we are constantly making decisions about 7 00:00:19,760 --> 00:00:22,079 Speaker 1: what topics to present to you guys who listen at home. 8 00:00:22,120 --> 00:00:24,279 Speaker 1: Thank you for tuning in every week. And we have 9 00:00:24,360 --> 00:00:27,160 Speaker 1: a duty that we take very seriously to discuss stories 10 00:00:27,200 --> 00:00:29,639 Speaker 1: that are not only relevant to our audience, but we 11 00:00:29,760 --> 00:00:32,480 Speaker 1: treat it like what you want to know and what 12 00:00:32,520 --> 00:00:34,680 Speaker 1: you need to know. So I know that you guys 13 00:00:34,680 --> 00:00:38,920 Speaker 1: have heard me grown consistently about when we cover Trump, 14 00:00:39,000 --> 00:00:39,640 Speaker 1: because I do. 15 00:00:39,680 --> 00:00:40,760 Speaker 4: I really get tired of it. 16 00:00:41,120 --> 00:00:43,600 Speaker 1: And behind the scenes, this has been an ongoing debate 17 00:00:43,680 --> 00:00:46,040 Speaker 1: between us, and we want to bring you in the 18 00:00:46,080 --> 00:00:48,640 Speaker 1: process of how we decide what to cover, why we 19 00:00:48,680 --> 00:00:51,120 Speaker 1: decide these things, And I've often said our most interesting 20 00:00:51,159 --> 00:00:54,319 Speaker 1: conversations take place when we're in the hotel getting here 21 00:00:54,360 --> 00:00:57,639 Speaker 1: and makeup and you know, getting ourselves together, or when 22 00:00:57,640 --> 00:01:00,200 Speaker 1: we're remote we have a call with just the of 23 00:01:00,240 --> 00:01:02,000 Speaker 1: us co hosts where we talk about these things. So 24 00:01:02,000 --> 00:01:04,800 Speaker 1: I want to dive right in and talk about some 25 00:01:04,880 --> 00:01:07,560 Speaker 1: of the things that we've debated in the past about 26 00:01:07,600 --> 00:01:10,080 Speaker 1: covering and some of the things that's an ongoing debate 27 00:01:10,680 --> 00:01:12,960 Speaker 1: with us now. And I wish we had a videographer 28 00:01:13,000 --> 00:01:14,880 Speaker 1: this morning, because you all would have seen a Jerry 29 00:01:14,920 --> 00:01:19,119 Speaker 1: Springer throw down with the three of us, the three 30 00:01:19,160 --> 00:01:22,000 Speaker 1: of us about what we cover. I take behind the scenes. 31 00:01:22,000 --> 00:01:27,840 Speaker 1: They get tired of me. Okay, no, never, that's so 32 00:01:27,920 --> 00:01:29,600 Speaker 1: I don't I know, we have a clip to play. 33 00:01:29,600 --> 00:01:32,839 Speaker 1: I don't want to start us out there well because 34 00:01:32,880 --> 00:01:35,800 Speaker 1: I think it's on the same tone of things that 35 00:01:35,840 --> 00:01:39,680 Speaker 1: we have disagreed about covering before, and Trump, I think 36 00:01:39,760 --> 00:01:43,320 Speaker 1: leads that I you know, I've talked about covering him 37 00:01:43,319 --> 00:01:43,840 Speaker 1: at nauseum. 38 00:01:43,880 --> 00:01:46,400 Speaker 4: I think people are tired of it, exhausted. 39 00:01:45,920 --> 00:01:48,720 Speaker 1: And I think it is and we all come to 40 00:01:48,760 --> 00:01:52,880 Speaker 1: this in three different roles, three different histories, and three 41 00:01:52,920 --> 00:01:55,360 Speaker 1: different goals. You know, we have different goals that we 42 00:01:55,480 --> 00:02:00,240 Speaker 1: have on this podcast. And I think for me, I 43 00:02:00,280 --> 00:02:03,880 Speaker 1: have never wanted to follow the news, but drive the news. 44 00:02:04,080 --> 00:02:06,360 Speaker 1: And so while everybody else is talking about Trump, I think, 45 00:02:06,480 --> 00:02:09,320 Speaker 1: what are are people at home not hearing about? Which 46 00:02:09,680 --> 00:02:11,840 Speaker 1: is a thousand things every single day. 47 00:02:12,880 --> 00:02:13,320 Speaker 4: Angela. 48 00:02:13,360 --> 00:02:16,280 Speaker 1: I'll let you say what you think, but I feel 49 00:02:16,280 --> 00:02:19,000 Speaker 1: like your thing is this is a big, huge story 50 00:02:19,080 --> 00:02:21,440 Speaker 1: and you are super concerned about him getting back in 51 00:02:21,440 --> 00:02:23,280 Speaker 1: the White House, like we all are. But you're like, no, 52 00:02:23,320 --> 00:02:26,200 Speaker 1: we got to sound the alarm on this, and Andrew 53 00:02:26,240 --> 00:02:28,919 Speaker 1: you have said, like, not normalized this. Something that we 54 00:02:29,040 --> 00:02:32,639 Speaker 1: played that I had a serious challenge with was the 55 00:02:33,040 --> 00:02:38,640 Speaker 1: clip from of the black people talking about voting for 56 00:02:38,720 --> 00:02:39,840 Speaker 1: Trump people. 57 00:02:40,639 --> 00:02:41,320 Speaker 3: Trump oro Biden. 58 00:02:41,560 --> 00:02:44,840 Speaker 5: Trump say that the business man he's gonna think and 59 00:02:44,880 --> 00:02:46,240 Speaker 5: Biden is a racist? 60 00:02:46,320 --> 00:02:48,000 Speaker 3: Who do you think has done more for the black community? 61 00:02:48,040 --> 00:02:49,880 Speaker 3: Trump a bider. I ain't even see Biden yet. 62 00:02:49,919 --> 00:02:54,519 Speaker 5: I know Trump was out, he was at Brod That's 63 00:02:54,560 --> 00:02:59,080 Speaker 5: why he felt as Wall Mike everything. And you know, 64 00:02:59,120 --> 00:03:01,240 Speaker 5: we've been here all the time and can't get a 65 00:03:01,240 --> 00:03:03,560 Speaker 5: free Hamburger and they come here get all this shit. 66 00:03:03,639 --> 00:03:05,880 Speaker 5: And I'm saying, so that's why I say, yeah, Biden, 67 00:03:05,960 --> 00:03:08,640 Speaker 5: he ain't doing she Han shit. So but Trump, I 68 00:03:08,639 --> 00:03:10,799 Speaker 5: would feel that he would be the better person to 69 00:03:10,800 --> 00:03:11,720 Speaker 5: get in Biden. 70 00:03:13,320 --> 00:03:17,200 Speaker 1: I'll tell you what my challenge was as a journalists 71 00:03:17,240 --> 00:03:19,360 Speaker 1: have to remind myself we're not in the newsroom, you know. 72 00:03:19,440 --> 00:03:21,080 Speaker 1: But in my mind, I think this is the newsroom 73 00:03:21,120 --> 00:03:24,959 Speaker 1: and we're you know. But I thought immediately it felt 74 00:03:25,000 --> 00:03:28,720 Speaker 1: irresponsible for me because I had never heard of this outlet. 75 00:03:28,880 --> 00:03:32,040 Speaker 1: It was like Black Conservative Network one. Two, It hadn't 76 00:03:32,040 --> 00:03:34,120 Speaker 1: been independently vetted, Like, we don't know what this is, 77 00:03:34,320 --> 00:03:37,080 Speaker 1: you know. Three, are these paid people? Do we know 78 00:03:37,120 --> 00:03:39,000 Speaker 1: these were actual voters? They said they were. That's why 79 00:03:39,000 --> 00:03:41,280 Speaker 1: I stopped myself and saying, black people in Chicago, I 80 00:03:41,320 --> 00:03:43,600 Speaker 1: don't even know that. They said they're in Chicago. We 81 00:03:43,680 --> 00:03:46,360 Speaker 1: don't know where y'all paid to participate? How do we 82 00:03:46,400 --> 00:03:48,839 Speaker 1: know your registered voters? And in a newsroom you feel 83 00:03:48,880 --> 00:03:52,560 Speaker 1: comfortable playing whatever because it's been vetted eighteen times. I 84 00:03:52,640 --> 00:03:56,200 Speaker 1: also thought the narrative of black people voting for Trump 85 00:03:56,560 --> 00:04:02,480 Speaker 1: is another irresponsible one that the media pushes consistently. Angela, 86 00:04:02,480 --> 00:04:06,720 Speaker 1: you thought really strongly about playing that, and so we 87 00:04:06,720 --> 00:04:09,880 Speaker 1: we cut out what the discussion between us and I 88 00:04:09,960 --> 00:04:11,800 Speaker 1: kind of now as we left back in, I want 89 00:04:11,840 --> 00:04:12,240 Speaker 1: to hear. 90 00:04:12,160 --> 00:04:15,200 Speaker 3: Some of it, some of it but not all of it, okay. 91 00:04:14,960 --> 00:04:17,600 Speaker 1: And we cut the sound bite short. So I but 92 00:04:18,320 --> 00:04:20,240 Speaker 1: what they whatever they missed? I want you to say, 93 00:04:20,640 --> 00:04:20,960 Speaker 1: like why. 94 00:04:21,600 --> 00:04:23,520 Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't want to do a deep dive on 95 00:04:23,600 --> 00:04:25,560 Speaker 2: this necessarily, but I will say this. 96 00:04:26,240 --> 00:04:27,000 Speaker 3: I get asked. 97 00:04:27,000 --> 00:04:30,560 Speaker 2: I don't know about y'all, but I consistently get asked 98 00:04:30,800 --> 00:04:33,520 Speaker 2: by folks who are older than me, how do they 99 00:04:33,560 --> 00:04:35,080 Speaker 2: talk to their kids? How do they talk to their 100 00:04:35,120 --> 00:04:37,480 Speaker 2: grandkids who are saying they might vote for Trump, or 101 00:04:37,520 --> 00:04:41,680 Speaker 2: they're free thinkers, or they might sit at home, which 102 00:04:41,720 --> 00:04:44,400 Speaker 2: to us, to me is you know, basically a de 103 00:04:44,480 --> 00:04:47,680 Speaker 2: facto vote for Trump. I also am hearing so much, 104 00:04:47,760 --> 00:04:49,880 Speaker 2: I think, especially when we first started the pot. Around 105 00:04:49,880 --> 00:04:53,679 Speaker 2: that time, there was so much rumbling about the migrant 106 00:04:53,720 --> 00:04:57,440 Speaker 2: crisis in Chicago, in LA in New York, and how 107 00:04:57,440 --> 00:05:00,280 Speaker 2: people were responding to that, particularly in our communit these 108 00:05:00,320 --> 00:05:04,520 Speaker 2: because they felt uncared for by people who we consistently elect, 109 00:05:04,560 --> 00:05:07,200 Speaker 2: and that has been an age old problem too. And 110 00:05:07,200 --> 00:05:12,400 Speaker 2: then I think, finally, I want us to always feel 111 00:05:12,480 --> 00:05:16,919 Speaker 2: safe delving into the things that make us cringe and 112 00:05:17,080 --> 00:05:19,840 Speaker 2: uncomfortable and have to face what is. 113 00:05:20,160 --> 00:05:22,680 Speaker 3: And I think that partially comes from my trauma. 114 00:05:22,360 --> 00:05:27,200 Speaker 2: Around the twenty sixteen election, because I was so freaking 115 00:05:27,520 --> 00:05:31,279 Speaker 2: cocky about what was not going to happen. I was 116 00:05:31,440 --> 00:05:35,120 Speaker 2: so there's no way nobody thinks like that, and this 117 00:05:35,200 --> 00:05:37,920 Speaker 2: time I'm like, no, I'm gonna hone in. Even if 118 00:05:37,960 --> 00:05:42,440 Speaker 2: it was a video that is like rife with misinformation, 119 00:05:42,960 --> 00:05:44,720 Speaker 2: I want to see it because I want to know 120 00:05:44,760 --> 00:05:47,479 Speaker 2: what the other arguments are when you are paying people 121 00:05:47,520 --> 00:05:49,479 Speaker 2: to go knock on doors in ways that they haven't 122 00:05:49,480 --> 00:05:52,160 Speaker 2: made that investment in our community on the progressive. 123 00:05:51,640 --> 00:05:53,400 Speaker 3: Side, I want us to know what that is. 124 00:05:54,000 --> 00:05:57,560 Speaker 2: And so my whole thing here is if I can 125 00:05:58,080 --> 00:06:01,360 Speaker 2: reach people by going into what makes me uncomfortable, I'm 126 00:06:01,360 --> 00:06:04,120 Speaker 2: gonna do it. That also, like as an attorney, that 127 00:06:04,160 --> 00:06:06,680 Speaker 2: sharpens my argument. So I want to know what's being said. 128 00:06:06,839 --> 00:06:08,719 Speaker 2: I'll leave it there because but even. 129 00:06:08,560 --> 00:06:10,520 Speaker 1: The piece of we don't really know what this is, 130 00:06:10,800 --> 00:06:12,360 Speaker 1: you know, I don't even know where we got it from. 131 00:06:12,400 --> 00:06:14,080 Speaker 1: But I'm like, I literally have never heard about it, 132 00:06:14,120 --> 00:06:15,799 Speaker 1: So I wonder your it was online. 133 00:06:15,839 --> 00:06:19,039 Speaker 2: They played it on Fox, you know, but I'm saying, 134 00:06:19,520 --> 00:06:20,479 Speaker 2: you know, you can laugh. 135 00:06:20,560 --> 00:06:22,880 Speaker 1: But that goes to my point though, like Fox, you know, 136 00:06:23,400 --> 00:06:24,599 Speaker 1: to me, it just wasn't vetted. 137 00:06:24,640 --> 00:06:27,479 Speaker 2: Ino Fox is like, it doesn't have to be vetted 138 00:06:27,560 --> 00:06:32,640 Speaker 2: more more millions of people are so I would think 139 00:06:32,680 --> 00:06:34,240 Speaker 2: even people on our side, because they want to know 140 00:06:34,279 --> 00:06:37,000 Speaker 2: what the other side's saying. Then I would argue, if 141 00:06:37,040 --> 00:06:39,360 Speaker 2: we were gonna play, and I want to say, Angel 142 00:06:39,360 --> 00:06:41,080 Speaker 2: will put this in the script, because when me Andrew 143 00:06:41,120 --> 00:06:43,120 Speaker 2: were like what anels like, I mean, it was in 144 00:06:43,160 --> 00:06:44,680 Speaker 2: the script, you know, like I put it there. We 145 00:06:44,760 --> 00:06:47,359 Speaker 2: just hadn't looked at it, so it was there. But 146 00:06:47,400 --> 00:06:50,360 Speaker 2: then I would say to I would have put a caveat, like, oh, 147 00:06:50,440 --> 00:06:52,360 Speaker 2: let me just be clear, we don't know what this is, 148 00:06:52,760 --> 00:06:54,599 Speaker 2: so that would you even get to it because y'all 149 00:06:54,600 --> 00:06:57,320 Speaker 2: had this reaction. I didn't get to even say, like, 150 00:06:57,400 --> 00:06:58,720 Speaker 2: this is this ship that they're playing? 151 00:07:01,600 --> 00:07:04,039 Speaker 1: Your platform something like that, because I think that is 152 00:07:04,040 --> 00:07:07,279 Speaker 1: the bigger question when you platform something like that or 153 00:07:07,320 --> 00:07:11,280 Speaker 1: what we choose to platform, are you drawing unnecessary attention 154 00:07:11,400 --> 00:07:14,360 Speaker 1: to it? Are you elevating something based off what all 155 00:07:14,360 --> 00:07:15,880 Speaker 1: of them are said, Cause you're saying, I'm leaning it, 156 00:07:16,040 --> 00:07:18,200 Speaker 1: I'm traumatized, and it makes me uncomfortable and cringe. 157 00:07:18,360 --> 00:07:19,400 Speaker 4: I want to lean into it. 158 00:07:19,560 --> 00:07:21,840 Speaker 1: Think about all the people out there who make us 159 00:07:21,920 --> 00:07:24,920 Speaker 1: uncomfortable and cringe worthy because they're saying something asinine and 160 00:07:25,000 --> 00:07:28,920 Speaker 1: ignorant by us having this platform, elevating it, presenting it 161 00:07:28,920 --> 00:07:32,000 Speaker 1: out there are we helping them say, now, look at 162 00:07:32,040 --> 00:07:35,120 Speaker 1: this what I would call nonsense and weigh in and 163 00:07:35,200 --> 00:07:37,920 Speaker 1: taking time away from something more substantive. And I want, 164 00:07:38,200 --> 00:07:39,560 Speaker 1: I want you all to know Andrew told me we 165 00:07:39,600 --> 00:07:41,440 Speaker 1: need not be so highbrow and our covers. 166 00:07:41,440 --> 00:07:42,440 Speaker 3: I want Andrew to. 167 00:07:42,400 --> 00:07:43,760 Speaker 4: Weigh it on that too. But that's what I put 168 00:07:43,800 --> 00:07:44,440 Speaker 4: out there to y'all. 169 00:07:44,840 --> 00:07:47,960 Speaker 6: So I'll just offer. I heard you say this is 170 00:07:48,000 --> 00:07:50,520 Speaker 6: what they're playing on Fox, and it pricked me because 171 00:07:50,560 --> 00:07:54,280 Speaker 6: I couldn't tolerate the exercise of listening to Fox and 172 00:07:54,360 --> 00:08:03,240 Speaker 6: your comment just now about you can't the Kravat's javits centered. 173 00:08:02,840 --> 00:08:05,640 Speaker 3: Down the street, yes, yes. 174 00:08:06,280 --> 00:08:10,720 Speaker 6: Talking to Bill Clinton as it looked like the world 175 00:08:10,880 --> 00:08:14,119 Speaker 6: was coming. I couldn't believe what was happening. In fact, 176 00:08:14,720 --> 00:08:18,000 Speaker 6: I left so early in the night because it to 177 00:08:18,080 --> 00:08:20,200 Speaker 6: go to the airport to sleep at the airport so 178 00:08:20,200 --> 00:08:22,760 Speaker 6: I could be on the first flight out the next 179 00:08:22,760 --> 00:08:25,520 Speaker 6: morning back home to just get in bed and sleep, 180 00:08:25,560 --> 00:08:27,720 Speaker 6: because I wasn't sure what the world was going to 181 00:08:27,800 --> 00:08:30,960 Speaker 6: be made right, So I remember the trauma of that, 182 00:08:31,240 --> 00:08:36,040 Speaker 6: and those two things helped me to play along my 183 00:08:36,160 --> 00:08:44,400 Speaker 6: objection around the focusing of that particular video, was you 184 00:08:44,440 --> 00:08:48,960 Speaker 6: said it was playing on Fox, and I said to myself, Okay, 185 00:08:49,040 --> 00:08:53,320 Speaker 6: so we really ever get our voices centered in the 186 00:08:53,360 --> 00:08:56,360 Speaker 6: news on Fox? And so the one time you're going 187 00:08:56,400 --> 00:09:00,000 Speaker 6: to put black folk voices on your platform is when 188 00:09:00,120 --> 00:09:05,560 Speaker 6: they are talking nonsense. I mean just I was so 189 00:09:05,679 --> 00:09:07,520 Speaker 6: mad at everybody in that thing. And you're right, I 190 00:09:07,559 --> 00:09:09,559 Speaker 6: didn't know whether they were paid with the actor. I 191 00:09:09,559 --> 00:09:12,240 Speaker 6: didn't know any of that. None of us did. But 192 00:09:13,320 --> 00:09:15,200 Speaker 6: on the rare occasions in which we're going to get 193 00:09:15,240 --> 00:09:17,520 Speaker 6: a platform, let's at least elevate where there is a 194 00:09:17,559 --> 00:09:20,880 Speaker 6: majoritarian view, or at least a critical mass view, not 195 00:09:21,880 --> 00:09:25,520 Speaker 6: this very narrow and isolated view. Yeah, maybe it's more 196 00:09:25,600 --> 00:09:29,959 Speaker 6: than we would want, but ten percent of the voter 197 00:09:30,320 --> 00:09:33,320 Speaker 6: voting black. You know, folks in this country are voting 198 00:09:33,400 --> 00:09:39,320 Speaker 6: for Trump of what we have baked in, that's what 199 00:09:39,480 --> 00:09:42,480 Speaker 6: they have pretty much gotten. 200 00:09:41,800 --> 00:09:45,040 Speaker 3: It's just my point. 201 00:09:45,200 --> 00:09:47,679 Speaker 1: That's always been the case. So this whole like sound 202 00:09:47,679 --> 00:09:50,400 Speaker 1: the alarm narrative that I'm like that happened in every 203 00:09:50,480 --> 00:09:51,760 Speaker 1: election except for Obama. 204 00:09:51,840 --> 00:09:53,760 Speaker 6: I do think it's important to sound the alarm. I 205 00:09:53,840 --> 00:09:58,439 Speaker 6: did not want to platform what was a view that 206 00:09:58,600 --> 00:10:04,240 Speaker 6: I don't hear e spread ever in that way and 207 00:10:04,280 --> 00:10:06,600 Speaker 6: then use that as the jumping off point to either 208 00:10:07,520 --> 00:10:11,160 Speaker 6: agree with the popular assertion that blacks are flocking the 209 00:10:11,200 --> 00:10:16,120 Speaker 6: Trump or to disagree with blacks flocking the Trump. There 210 00:10:16,160 --> 00:10:18,320 Speaker 6: are other ways in which I felt like that point 211 00:10:18,320 --> 00:10:21,560 Speaker 6: could have been made short of that video. That video, however, 212 00:10:21,760 --> 00:10:25,200 Speaker 6: was shocked. It was awe and it did percolate up 213 00:10:25,240 --> 00:10:28,119 Speaker 6: a conversation amongst you know, our new followers. 214 00:10:28,320 --> 00:10:29,640 Speaker 3: Yeah, it wasn't just us. 215 00:10:29,760 --> 00:10:30,280 Speaker 6: I know it. 216 00:10:30,440 --> 00:10:30,920 Speaker 3: I know it. 217 00:10:31,000 --> 00:10:34,400 Speaker 6: People were shocked that we were As our j told me, 218 00:10:34,600 --> 00:10:36,920 Speaker 6: they were shocked that we were shocked to hear. 219 00:10:36,840 --> 00:10:39,120 Speaker 4: Those I wasn't shocked to hear the comments. 220 00:10:39,960 --> 00:10:45,960 Speaker 6: Well, I didn't believe them. I didn't believe them, was 221 00:10:46,000 --> 00:10:46,520 Speaker 6: my thing. 222 00:10:47,360 --> 00:10:49,360 Speaker 2: All Right, y'all, we're going to take a quick break 223 00:10:49,440 --> 00:10:50,400 Speaker 2: and we'll be right back. 224 00:11:00,120 --> 00:11:02,199 Speaker 6: The fools and the fact that everybody else seems to 225 00:11:02,240 --> 00:11:04,160 Speaker 6: have heard all this stuff calculating. 226 00:11:04,280 --> 00:11:06,120 Speaker 1: I'm not saying I hadn't heard it, Andrew, I'm saying 227 00:11:06,160 --> 00:11:07,880 Speaker 1: I don't want to be an echo tanker for they 228 00:11:07,880 --> 00:11:08,480 Speaker 1: play on five. 229 00:11:08,520 --> 00:11:09,920 Speaker 6: I guess I should say that's how we. 230 00:11:09,800 --> 00:11:11,640 Speaker 2: Were talking about what we were we were supposed to 231 00:11:11,679 --> 00:11:12,920 Speaker 2: cover overall, and now we're. 232 00:11:14,480 --> 00:11:18,920 Speaker 6: Why But then let me excuse myself if I could 233 00:11:18,960 --> 00:11:22,040 Speaker 6: just finish this point, which is to say, I don't 234 00:11:22,040 --> 00:11:25,360 Speaker 6: mean it to be an attack on this particular. I 235 00:11:25,480 --> 00:11:28,960 Speaker 6: mean this to be a blowback of when we have 236 00:11:29,120 --> 00:11:32,480 Speaker 6: the ability to platform something and it is a view, 237 00:11:33,440 --> 00:11:38,040 Speaker 6: let it be more than a basically Trump paid ad, 238 00:11:38,679 --> 00:11:43,000 Speaker 6: and maybe a more legitimate platform of voices that are this, this, 239 00:11:43,080 --> 00:11:44,920 Speaker 6: that and the third. And I only use a Trump 240 00:11:44,920 --> 00:11:49,040 Speaker 6: ad as a harbinger for whatever the issue is. If 241 00:11:49,040 --> 00:11:50,920 Speaker 6: we're going to give it platform, we're going to give 242 00:11:50,920 --> 00:11:53,520 Speaker 6: it life and breath. Don't let it be just for 243 00:11:53,559 --> 00:11:56,440 Speaker 6: shocka and value, you know, shock value, But let it 244 00:11:56,480 --> 00:11:59,199 Speaker 6: be for it. That's not my condemnation of this, by 245 00:11:59,240 --> 00:12:01,480 Speaker 6: the way, it is in general. This is this is 246 00:12:01,480 --> 00:12:03,800 Speaker 6: the bar I think I set for for how I 247 00:12:03,840 --> 00:12:06,520 Speaker 6: screen things. But I also don't want to have my 248 00:12:06,559 --> 00:12:09,120 Speaker 6: head so buried in the saying, knowing that my network 249 00:12:09,160 --> 00:12:14,440 Speaker 6: of voices and ears say are saying one thing, and 250 00:12:14,520 --> 00:12:17,520 Speaker 6: just because this disagrees with that that it isn't true. 251 00:12:17,679 --> 00:12:19,920 Speaker 6: I also know that not to be the case as well. 252 00:12:20,200 --> 00:12:22,520 Speaker 6: And I honestly, of the three of us, ANGELA, I 253 00:12:22,600 --> 00:12:27,200 Speaker 6: trust your instincts. At a pedestrian level better than I 254 00:12:27,280 --> 00:12:31,200 Speaker 6: trust most because you go to places like the breakfast 255 00:12:31,200 --> 00:12:33,840 Speaker 6: club and you listen in to calls that are coming in, 256 00:12:34,360 --> 00:12:37,079 Speaker 6: and I think people feel a level of access with 257 00:12:37,120 --> 00:12:39,480 Speaker 6: you that they come to you and they come direct 258 00:12:39,480 --> 00:12:42,920 Speaker 6: because they feel that you meet them direct. 259 00:12:43,080 --> 00:12:45,240 Speaker 2: They also drag the shit out of me for being 260 00:12:45,360 --> 00:12:49,160 Speaker 2: a democratic shield. I think all I'm saying is but 261 00:12:49,480 --> 00:12:55,240 Speaker 2: but I can't keep saying everybody's nuts. But I think 262 00:12:55,400 --> 00:12:58,199 Speaker 2: if that's their perspective, and I think everything that's a 263 00:12:58,240 --> 00:13:02,160 Speaker 2: different perspective, is it nuts? Like sometimes sometimes when people, 264 00:13:03,920 --> 00:13:07,600 Speaker 2: when people are so hurt and damage, they go and 265 00:13:07,640 --> 00:13:10,080 Speaker 2: do the other extreme thing and it is not okay 266 00:13:10,120 --> 00:13:12,559 Speaker 2: and it's not cool, but it doesn't just happen politically, 267 00:13:13,040 --> 00:13:16,680 Speaker 2: and I think it is irresponsible. Like, fine, you guys 268 00:13:16,720 --> 00:13:20,000 Speaker 2: didn't like the video. Cool, that's not the point. If 269 00:13:20,040 --> 00:13:24,560 Speaker 2: we're only talking to ourselves, that little bubble is going 270 00:13:24,640 --> 00:13:27,280 Speaker 2: to continue to shrink until we suffocate. 271 00:13:27,720 --> 00:13:29,960 Speaker 3: We can say that it needed to be a legitimate source. 272 00:13:30,160 --> 00:13:33,600 Speaker 2: Motherfuckers had stuff to say about when a Washington Post 273 00:13:33,679 --> 00:13:36,840 Speaker 2: article came out about black people in Detroit not wanting 274 00:13:36,880 --> 00:13:41,520 Speaker 2: to vote for Joe Biden and potentially voting for Donald Trump. 275 00:13:41,760 --> 00:13:44,360 Speaker 2: When the uncommitted option came out, there were one hundred 276 00:13:44,440 --> 00:13:46,960 Speaker 2: thousand plus people that voted uncommitted. 277 00:13:47,200 --> 00:13:50,319 Speaker 3: This is at real issue. So if people take issue. 278 00:13:49,960 --> 00:13:53,120 Speaker 2: With how we cover it, like, then find another option 279 00:13:53,280 --> 00:13:54,559 Speaker 2: or let's talk about another option. 280 00:13:54,640 --> 00:13:56,400 Speaker 3: But to be like this ain't cool. 281 00:13:56,440 --> 00:13:59,079 Speaker 2: I don't like it because they're not a legitimate source, 282 00:13:59,200 --> 00:14:03,400 Speaker 2: or because I don't care. What I don't want to 283 00:14:03,480 --> 00:14:06,640 Speaker 2: do is ever again go back to what I did 284 00:14:06,679 --> 00:14:09,839 Speaker 2: in twenty sixteen and be blind to the facts. There 285 00:14:09,880 --> 00:14:13,520 Speaker 2: are millions of people who are willing to even endanger 286 00:14:13,679 --> 00:14:16,400 Speaker 2: us and our policies, and they're doing it every day 287 00:14:16,400 --> 00:14:20,160 Speaker 2: on Capitol Hill and through state legislatures all over this country. 288 00:14:20,800 --> 00:14:23,320 Speaker 2: This is not a minority view just because it's a 289 00:14:23,320 --> 00:14:26,520 Speaker 2: minority of black people. And again, I don't think that 290 00:14:26,560 --> 00:14:29,360 Speaker 2: this is the point. It's not just about this one clip. 291 00:14:29,600 --> 00:14:32,480 Speaker 2: It is we should be able to disagree and even 292 00:14:32,520 --> 00:14:34,720 Speaker 2: if tip, if you think something is nonsense, or Andrew, 293 00:14:34,760 --> 00:14:36,840 Speaker 2: you think I could have found a better source, let's 294 00:14:36,880 --> 00:14:38,920 Speaker 2: find that instead of being like, oh, I'm not going 295 00:14:39,000 --> 00:14:39,560 Speaker 2: to cover it. 296 00:14:39,760 --> 00:14:41,720 Speaker 3: That's how we end up losing engagement. 297 00:14:42,400 --> 00:14:44,840 Speaker 2: Literally, like, we're in a place now where this shit 298 00:14:44,960 --> 00:14:47,680 Speaker 2: is so narrowed down and so refined and so like, 299 00:14:47,720 --> 00:14:49,400 Speaker 2: we're not engaging people anymore. 300 00:14:50,240 --> 00:14:53,600 Speaker 6: I don't receive that it's true, like, look at the numbers, 301 00:14:53,640 --> 00:15:02,640 Speaker 6: but I think the numbers at episode eighteen are emblematic 302 00:15:02,760 --> 00:15:06,680 Speaker 6: of a brand new show birthing and growing, and almost 303 00:15:06,720 --> 00:15:08,680 Speaker 6: all things that are new and fresh are new and 304 00:15:08,720 --> 00:15:11,040 Speaker 6: fresh at the start, and then it begins to settle 305 00:15:11,080 --> 00:15:14,040 Speaker 6: into itself, and then we get a leveling point where 306 00:15:14,040 --> 00:15:16,560 Speaker 6: then we make goals around what the growth areas then 307 00:15:16,760 --> 00:15:21,400 Speaker 6: become think, if things always remained how they began, why 308 00:15:21,440 --> 00:15:24,280 Speaker 6: the hell does anybody to have an aspiration toward doing 309 00:15:24,320 --> 00:15:27,600 Speaker 6: better or a fear of what worse looks like. I'm 310 00:15:27,600 --> 00:15:30,840 Speaker 6: not bothered by that because I actually believe that what 311 00:15:30,880 --> 00:15:32,520 Speaker 6: was most important is for the three of us to 312 00:15:32,560 --> 00:15:36,040 Speaker 6: find our voices, to sediment into what those are, allow 313 00:15:36,120 --> 00:15:39,080 Speaker 6: our audience to find what their relationship is to each 314 00:15:39,120 --> 00:15:41,880 Speaker 6: of us and also to our voices and ownership, so 315 00:15:41,840 --> 00:15:45,800 Speaker 6: that they can give feedback. I'm not afraid of topics 316 00:15:45,880 --> 00:15:51,360 Speaker 6: that I disagree with at all. That's all good with me. 317 00:15:51,880 --> 00:15:54,480 Speaker 6: I'm also not afraid of news that gets covered by 318 00:15:54,720 --> 00:15:59,720 Speaker 6: cable news and we cover it here because I respect 319 00:15:59,800 --> 00:16:02,720 Speaker 6: the brilliance of each of your perspectives. And I almost 320 00:16:02,800 --> 00:16:06,280 Speaker 6: for sure know that you're going to offer a point, 321 00:16:06,680 --> 00:16:09,680 Speaker 6: probably much more salient than anything I've heard on cable news, 322 00:16:09,720 --> 00:16:12,600 Speaker 6: and much more resident for me than anything I've heard 323 00:16:12,680 --> 00:16:16,160 Speaker 6: anyplace else. But I don't think cable news is our bookend. 324 00:16:16,480 --> 00:16:19,040 Speaker 6: I don't think that is our contrast. We are our 325 00:16:19,040 --> 00:16:21,720 Speaker 6: own space. We don't have to be contrasted in that 326 00:16:21,760 --> 00:16:25,000 Speaker 6: way in order to be in vogue or out of 327 00:16:25,080 --> 00:16:29,160 Speaker 6: vogue if it's news. Take Trump, for instance. We got 328 00:16:29,160 --> 00:16:31,520 Speaker 6: to talk about this thing because it ain't normal. It 329 00:16:31,560 --> 00:16:33,760 Speaker 6: ain't natural, and there are people growing up in our 330 00:16:33,840 --> 00:16:38,080 Speaker 6: democratic republic who are now perceiving these things to just 331 00:16:38,240 --> 00:16:41,040 Speaker 6: be par for the course. They are not par for 332 00:16:41,080 --> 00:16:45,520 Speaker 6: the course. We have all experienced democracy that looks way 333 00:16:45,640 --> 00:16:48,960 Speaker 6: different than how we've observed it these last several years, 334 00:16:48,960 --> 00:16:52,640 Speaker 6: almost decade. So all I'm saying is the moment we 335 00:16:52,760 --> 00:16:55,800 Speaker 6: start to turn off, to tune off that, not give 336 00:16:55,880 --> 00:16:58,640 Speaker 6: mention to it, not give word to it, we then 337 00:16:58,720 --> 00:17:03,080 Speaker 6: I think, allow and create permission for everybody else for 338 00:17:03,200 --> 00:17:05,680 Speaker 6: no good reason, to just turn off to it because 339 00:17:05,680 --> 00:17:07,800 Speaker 6: it's a name that seems familiar in one that I'm 340 00:17:07,840 --> 00:17:13,520 Speaker 6: tired of hearing that's a very lazy approach to maintaining 341 00:17:13,520 --> 00:17:15,520 Speaker 6: a democracy. And I realize that that's not the battle 342 00:17:15,560 --> 00:17:17,760 Speaker 6: everybody wakes up to fight. But you'll wake up to 343 00:17:17,760 --> 00:17:20,520 Speaker 6: fight it when that shit ain't here no more. And 344 00:17:20,560 --> 00:17:22,440 Speaker 6: I don't want to wait to that point, because it's 345 00:17:22,520 --> 00:17:26,400 Speaker 6: too late. Very rarely do we go back and get 346 00:17:26,400 --> 00:17:29,000 Speaker 6: back the rights that we gave away. Think about after 347 00:17:29,080 --> 00:17:34,480 Speaker 6: nine to eleven and all the the the civil and 348 00:17:36,640 --> 00:17:40,119 Speaker 6: personal rights we gave a way to the government for 349 00:17:40,160 --> 00:17:44,800 Speaker 6: the sake of security. Yeah, and we never got any 350 00:17:44,840 --> 00:17:47,280 Speaker 6: of it back. The government still goes into all of 351 00:17:47,280 --> 00:17:51,560 Speaker 6: our shit without permission. Because Congress and the United and 352 00:17:51,600 --> 00:17:55,160 Speaker 6: the and the public, the military industrial complex basically said, 353 00:17:55,200 --> 00:17:58,159 Speaker 6: don't let a good crisis go to waste. Let us 354 00:17:58,200 --> 00:18:01,240 Speaker 6: get into the emails, the phones, the records, the tapping, 355 00:18:01,240 --> 00:18:05,119 Speaker 6: the intelligence of every individual America, and then start to 356 00:18:05,119 --> 00:18:08,719 Speaker 6: build lists. These things happen. We know they do, so 357 00:18:08,800 --> 00:18:14,040 Speaker 6: I we can give it up. Just because we're tired 358 00:18:14,080 --> 00:18:18,720 Speaker 6: of a person's name and their recurrence in the news 359 00:18:18,720 --> 00:18:21,040 Speaker 6: every day, that's not a good enough reason not to 360 00:18:21,080 --> 00:18:23,840 Speaker 6: talk about it, all right. 361 00:18:23,720 --> 00:18:26,560 Speaker 4: So as y'all see, we disagree on what the cover sometimes. 362 00:18:27,280 --> 00:18:28,400 Speaker 3: Thanks for listening, y'all. 363 00:18:28,400 --> 00:18:31,720 Speaker 2: Remember to rate, review, subscribe, and tune into our regular 364 00:18:31,760 --> 00:18:33,600 Speaker 2: episodes every Thursday. 365 00:18:33,680 --> 00:18:38,399 Speaker 3: Welcome Home. 366 00:18:47,440 --> 00:18:50,200 Speaker 1: Native Land pod is the production of iHeartRadio and partnership 367 00:18:50,200 --> 00:18:53,400 Speaker 1: with Resent Choice Media. 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