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Speaker 1: Smell us now, lady, welcome to Meat Eater Trivia Podcast. Oh,

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Speaker 1: welcome to Meet Eater Radio Live. It's eleven am, Montana time,

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Speaker 1: and you're back in the Meat Eater studio. Joining me.

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Speaker 1: I'm your host, by the way, Joining me today, Brody Anderson,

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Speaker 1: hold Seth, Morris Aldi, lots of energy, Keep it up, guys,

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Speaker 1: Corey Calkins and Phil is running this whole gig as

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Speaker 1: you are ready. No, Today, we have a very special

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Speaker 1: Meat Eater Radio Live where we're focusing on a near

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Speaker 1: and dear to all of our hearts, which is public lands.

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Speaker 1: We're gonna talk about state lands and federal lands and

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Speaker 1: get a general idea of what the heck is going

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Speaker 1: on out there in this crazy world. We are going

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Speaker 1: to check in with an EXBLM a recently XBLM the

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Speaker 1: Body Still Warm Folks, BLM rangeland ecologist to talk about layoffs.

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Speaker 1: Then we're gonna talk with our buddy David Wilms, who

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Speaker 1: is our go to legal source for all things public lands.

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Speaker 1: Then we're gonna have some fun with a hot tip off,

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Speaker 1: and finally we're gonna wrap up with another guest who

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Speaker 1: is the CEO of Floating Island International International Bruce Kanya,

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Speaker 1: who is going to talk us about talk to us

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Speaker 1: about methane, specifically in regards to the ice house explosion

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Speaker 1: that we covered on the Meat Eater dot com. First,

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Speaker 1: before we get into all of this, uh, I guess

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Speaker 1: we're gonna call this like cal unleashed. I just want

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Speaker 1: to like set the stage on on what we're tackling.

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Speaker 2: I actually made a drop for this, if that's true. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: I don't know if you're gonna like it or not, but.

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Speaker 3: Oh yeah, perfect?

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Speaker 2: Whoa what was that at the end? That was system

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Speaker 2: of a down. That's that's kind of kind of a

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Speaker 2: deep cut. The ones hit me up.

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Speaker 4: I was sitting in my office and heard film making this,

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Speaker 4: and I was just like, you know what, just just Fill.

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Speaker 3: Doing his thing in there. I'm not gonna be worried.

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Speaker 2: I gave Chili a warning, but not Seth. I probably

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Speaker 2: should have given the whole office of warning.

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Speaker 1: So, you know, the Mountain Tough Fitness guys used to

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Speaker 1: be like my next door neighbor where I lived before

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Speaker 1: they moved into their their new facility. And I'm gonna

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Speaker 1: early riser right, And I had to tell those guys

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Speaker 1: I'm like, you know, if you guys didn't play that

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Speaker 1: type of music, I'd probably come over and work out right.

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Speaker 1: I'm like, hey, you do like BBC News or something

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Speaker 1: like that. Yeah, So we've been listening to a lot

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Speaker 1: of a lot of feedback and tip of the hat

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Speaker 1: here there are people who read the comments on the

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Speaker 1: YouTube channel and read it and all the other places

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Speaker 1: including email that you send in. So we recently did

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Speaker 1: a it's a State of the Union type of podcast

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Speaker 1: that we always do with TRCP. We have a new

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Speaker 1: president's CEO at TRCP, Joel Peterson, who's a fine human.

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Speaker 1: And the timing the news cycle right now is very

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Speaker 1: very fast paced, so anytime you put something out, you

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Speaker 1: risk it being dated by the time it actually really right.

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Speaker 1: The gap between the recording time and the release time,

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Speaker 1: a lot of things can happen. And we were in

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Speaker 1: kind of speculating on if there would be any more

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Speaker 1: federal layoffs at the time of recording, and by the

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Speaker 1: of federal layoffs. So we want to tackle that head

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Speaker 1: on today and I'll just tell you right now, Public lands,

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Speaker 1: access to public lands, access to public wildlife. Those are

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Speaker 1: and they just shouldn't be screwed with man. And we're

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Speaker 1: there's no slippage in those values here. And we cared

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Speaker 1: deeply about the stewards of the land who often sacrifice

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Speaker 1: there and clear trails and clean up you know, government houses,

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Speaker 1: those nice square government houses with the little pebble walls,

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Speaker 1: they do a lot more than that. And the drop toilets, yes,

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Speaker 1: a lot more than that. So hopefully we'll get into

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Speaker 1: more of that, I would say, and fellows please chime

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Speaker 1: in here that I don't think it's unfair to say

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Speaker 1: that there's like a general attack on public lands right now,

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Speaker 1: and it is widespread. Well, it's coming from both the

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Speaker 1: And the only kind of disclaimer I would put in

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Speaker 1: there is, like public lands as we know them so

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Speaker 1: right now, with the layoffs that just recently went through,

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Speaker 1: like the group of people that those layoffs affected in

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Speaker 1: Bureau of Land Management, US Forest Service land that we

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Speaker 1: use heavily here in Montana and throughout the West. Those

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Speaker 1: and the general cleanup that you see like covered in

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Speaker 1: the scariest thing that some of these news outlets can

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Speaker 1: come up with is like, so don't be surprised if

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Speaker 1: there's trash at your campground when you show up.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean there's also habitat work going on, research

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Speaker 5: going on, Like it trickles down to every facet of

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Speaker 5: hunting and fishing, right, like everything, and other forms of

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Speaker 5: outdoor recreation that are important too. I mean, look like camping, rafting,

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Speaker 5: what whatever like there right affects everyone.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Like you're off road vehicle, the stamp that you

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Speaker 1: get like that goes directly to trails and campground maintenance.

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Speaker 1: Yeah right, it's it's probably be a little beefed if

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Speaker 1: you're an ATV or single track writer and those trails

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Speaker 1: aren't maintained and your campgrounds are don't have to worry

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Speaker 1: about trash blowing around because you're not gonna be able

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Speaker 1: to get into one. Period. So without further ado, I

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Speaker 1: think and like we want to get into how you

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Speaker 1: can wade into this this situation here. Certainly at the

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Speaker 1: state level, you have every right and ability to contact

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Speaker 1: all of your lawmakers, from the governor to your state representatives,

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Speaker 1: to your congressional representatives. And if you're concerned about this stuff,

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Speaker 1: you absolutely should be writing in right. Like in the West,

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Speaker 1: I'll tell you that small town economies are greatly impacted

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Speaker 1: by USDA for a Service Bureau of Wreck BLM employees.

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Speaker 5: That shouldn't be about the West, though, no, you know,

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Speaker 5: because back east there are millions of people that live

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Speaker 5: all kinds of federally managed land. So it's it's not

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, you can absolutely agree, like we're based

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Speaker 1: you can agree on some things our elected officials are

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Speaker 1: are doing. And that is absolutely okay. In fact, it's

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Speaker 1: completely normal. So when you call your elected representatives, when

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Speaker 1: what you're doing over here has giant negative impacts that

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Speaker 1: you need to change the pace at which you're pushing

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Speaker 5: So, yeah, how'd your day go yesterday?

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Speaker 1: Cal Oh, that's a good question. Yeah. So we did

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Speaker 1: a rally for public lands at the Montana State Capital, Helena, Montana.

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Speaker 1: I always like to point out when I go up there,

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Speaker 1: BLM and my grandpa, he grew grew up there at

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Speaker 1: So that was really cool. And Gang, I gotta tell you,

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Speaker 1: like showing up physically and being in these places when

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Speaker 1: makes a big impact. It's a very hard thing to ignore.

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Speaker 1: I told the crowd yesterday that if I was a

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Speaker 1: Hard to replace that. So are you guys ready to

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Speaker 1: get to our first interview here?

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Speaker 7: Sure?

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Speaker 6: All right?

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Speaker 1: So Ryan Schroeder is a fella that I've met a

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Speaker 1: handful of times over the years and real interesting story.

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Speaker 1: But he caught old doctor Randa Williams attention the other

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Speaker 1: and I think it's a story worth hearing. So we'd

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Speaker 1: like to get Ryan. Well, there he is, there, I am.

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Speaker 8: Can you see me, guys?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, we got you.

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Speaker 8: Awesome. Good to see you, guys. Thanks for thanks for

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Speaker 8: having me on. I really appreciate the time and and

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Speaker 8: your willingness to talk about this, so thank you.

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Speaker 1: Where are you at?

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Speaker 8: I am in Mancus, Colorado, So just between Cortes and

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Speaker 8: Durango right now, Yeah, far southwest Colorado. Earn round. I

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Speaker 8: think hunting units seventy two, seventy one and seventy one

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Speaker 8: or two. Yeah, so, yeah, thank you guys for having

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Speaker 1: What's the population of Mancus, Colorado?

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Speaker 8: Oh gosh? Are we including cattle in that population too?

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Speaker 8: Or and meal deer? Oh gosh? I think Mancas is

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Speaker 8: right about eighteen hundred folks. Last I checked. One. Yeah,

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Speaker 8: I just moved well plus two now I just moved

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Speaker 8: here back in December from from Missoula. Actually, so saw

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Speaker 8: you guys have me? Did your live when you came

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Speaker 6: Thank you?

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Speaker 1: Uh so, let's just get down to it. What what

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Speaker 1: made you go down the path of being a parasite

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Speaker 1: on the government payroll?

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Speaker 8: Yeah, Well to correct first, I see in the news.

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Speaker 8: Yeah I supposedly. Yeah, so I was. I don't know

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Speaker 8: the right tensing to use, uh because I was fired.

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Speaker 8: I've never been fired before, but was fired on Tuesday.

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Speaker 8: But I was a arrangeling management specialist, not arrangelment to collegists.

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Speaker 8: Those are two different job series titles uh for the

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Speaker 8: Trace Rios Field office uh here in Dolores, Colorado.

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Speaker 1: That's three rivers south.

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Speaker 8: Arrangeling Management specialist out of the Trace Rios Field Office,

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Speaker 8: so yeah, gosh, we're to start why I got interested

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Speaker 8: wanted to serve my country. When I was in high school.

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Speaker 8: was interested in agriculture, habitat, hunting, fishing, et cetera. And

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Speaker 5: What Ryan can I like, I don't know if you

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Speaker 8: range technician to try to fill that bat that two

434
00:27:14,040 --> 00:27:16,440
Speaker 8: years worth of backlog. I mean it with three of us.

435
00:27:16,520 --> 00:27:19,280
Speaker 8: It was going to be a daunting task with two

436
00:27:19,320 --> 00:27:21,480
Speaker 8: of them. And I don't like they are the next

437
00:27:21,480 --> 00:27:24,520
Speaker 8: ones on the chopping block because we hear that this

438
00:27:24,640 --> 00:27:28,000
Speaker 8: is not the end of what is to come well and.

439
00:27:28,359 --> 00:27:30,560
Speaker 1: Like to point out like the other side of this

440
00:27:30,720 --> 00:27:35,000
Speaker 1: is is the quote unquote consumer right, Like folks want

441
00:27:35,080 --> 00:27:39,120
Speaker 1: those grazing leases badly because they're the cheapest grazing lease

442
00:27:39,200 --> 00:27:41,800
Speaker 1: you can possibly get. Right, it's like a dollar to

443
00:27:41,840 --> 00:27:43,440
Speaker 1: thirty five per au m.

444
00:27:44,119 --> 00:27:46,520
Speaker 8: It's the one thing that has not changed with inflation

445
00:27:46,600 --> 00:27:48,840
Speaker 8: and has not changed since nineteen ninety six. About as

446
00:27:48,840 --> 00:27:51,160
Speaker 8: old as I am, I'll be uh I was born

447
00:27:51,240 --> 00:27:51,720
Speaker 8: ninety five.

448
00:27:51,800 --> 00:27:53,680
Speaker 5: So there's a lot of people in this country getting

449
00:27:53,680 --> 00:27:56,280
Speaker 5: their steaks from that land, so to speak, you know

450
00:27:56,280 --> 00:28:00,640
Speaker 5: what I mean, Yeah.

451
00:27:58,880 --> 00:28:04,760
Speaker 8: Yes, sir, and not just beef burgers, but venison, elk, everything.

452
00:28:05,320 --> 00:28:07,480
Speaker 8: And so we were working up. We had new direction

453
00:28:07,600 --> 00:28:11,879
Speaker 8: as of October to start prioritizing grazing permit renewals, fully

454
00:28:11,920 --> 00:28:15,720
Speaker 8: processed renewals, and gunnis and sage grouse habitat because here

455
00:28:16,760 --> 00:28:19,080
Speaker 8: over in Canyon of the Ancient National Monument and up

456
00:28:19,160 --> 00:28:24,960
Speaker 8: north at Disappointment Valley Naturita Area, there's a lot of

457
00:28:25,040 --> 00:28:29,080
Speaker 8: there's gunnis and sage grouse habitat and grazing permits in

458
00:28:29,119 --> 00:28:33,679
Speaker 8: those areas that we were given direction from from the

459
00:28:33,720 --> 00:28:36,440
Speaker 8: last minute, or we were given direction from to begin

460
00:28:36,640 --> 00:28:41,360
Speaker 8: prioritizing catching up with land health assessments, grazing permit renewals

461
00:28:41,400 --> 00:28:46,960
Speaker 8: to be able to adaptively manage grazing permits. Helped work

462
00:28:47,040 --> 00:28:50,480
Speaker 8: with the private permittees to adaptively manage to make sure

463
00:28:50,520 --> 00:28:54,360
Speaker 8: that those species are not further imperiled by what's happening

464
00:28:54,360 --> 00:28:54,960
Speaker 8: out on the ground.

465
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Speaker 1: And so it's interesting, I mean, every program that you've

466
00:28:59,160 --> 00:29:04,200
Speaker 1: mentioned has been at minimum put on funding freeze and

467
00:29:04,400 --> 00:29:07,080
Speaker 1: RCS is you know that really if you looked at

468
00:29:07,200 --> 00:29:11,640
Speaker 1: at NRCS it it wouldn't be disingenuous to call it

469
00:29:11,680 --> 00:29:16,000
Speaker 1: the largest conservation program in the world, not just the

470
00:29:16,080 --> 00:29:20,120
Speaker 1: United States or North America, but like the world. And

471
00:29:20,200 --> 00:29:25,160
Speaker 1: that's something that that helps out people on the private

472
00:29:25,160 --> 00:29:28,800
Speaker 1: side of the fence tremendously, just like we talked about

473
00:29:28,880 --> 00:29:33,959
Speaker 1: grazers right here. So we got to get going just

474
00:29:33,960 --> 00:29:36,760
Speaker 1: out of curiosity. And if you're not willing to share this,

475
00:29:36,800 --> 00:29:38,840
Speaker 1: it's a little bit like looking at you with your

476
00:29:38,840 --> 00:29:43,560
Speaker 1: pants down. But what what were you getting paid as

477
00:29:43,600 --> 00:29:45,040
Speaker 1: a new rangeland specialist?

478
00:29:45,920 --> 00:29:48,640
Speaker 8: Yeah, so I was brought in as a GS eleven

479
00:29:48,720 --> 00:29:53,880
Speaker 8: step one, brand new federal employee. I was making about

480
00:29:53,920 --> 00:29:56,520
Speaker 8: seventy three thousand. If I would have seventy three thousand

481
00:29:56,560 --> 00:29:58,600
Speaker 8: dollars annually would have been my salary.

482
00:30:00,360 --> 00:30:05,360
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, so, and and what what's next next for you?

483
00:30:07,240 --> 00:30:07,920
Speaker 3: Rabid season?

484
00:30:08,680 --> 00:30:10,520
Speaker 8: It's wrap rabbit season. Here's wrapping up.

485
00:30:11,200 --> 00:30:11,440
Speaker 6: You know.

486
00:30:11,600 --> 00:30:13,520
Speaker 8: I've been trying to figure out when to get use

487
00:30:13,600 --> 00:30:17,000
Speaker 8: some of the little leave that I had accrued over

488
00:30:17,040 --> 00:30:20,240
Speaker 8: my short less than sixty days to figure out when

489
00:30:20,280 --> 00:30:22,200
Speaker 8: to go down to hunt my Havelina tag down in

490
00:30:22,240 --> 00:30:24,959
Speaker 8: southern New Mexico. I think I might be able to

491
00:30:25,120 --> 00:30:26,920
Speaker 8: do a little bit more planning to go down and

492
00:30:26,960 --> 00:30:31,480
Speaker 8: hunt that tag after that. I just I want to

493
00:30:31,480 --> 00:30:35,040
Speaker 8: get reinstated. I want to appeal this. I don't think

494
00:30:35,040 --> 00:30:39,120
Speaker 8: this is right. I'm worried about the mission of I mean,

495
00:30:39,240 --> 00:30:41,480
Speaker 8: if I get, if I get, if I don't get rehired,

496
00:30:41,840 --> 00:30:42,320
Speaker 8: so be it.

497
00:30:44,440 --> 00:30:47,160
Speaker 3: Keep fighting, man, I worry you guys.

498
00:30:47,240 --> 00:30:50,880
Speaker 8: Keep fighting to hold the line. This is it, we

499
00:30:51,000 --> 00:30:55,440
Speaker 8: need it, This is important, and this is not the

500
00:30:55,520 --> 00:30:59,040
Speaker 8: end of it. And things need to People need to

501
00:30:59,040 --> 00:31:01,080
Speaker 8: know what is happening out on the ground. It's not

502
00:31:01,120 --> 00:31:04,040
Speaker 8: just trash, it's not just whatever.

503
00:31:04,120 --> 00:31:04,440
Speaker 3: It is.

504
00:31:04,960 --> 00:31:09,600
Speaker 8: Our habitat, our public resource, our natural heritage at risk

505
00:31:10,200 --> 00:31:12,520
Speaker 8: for a mission that is supposedly changing that is not

506
00:31:12,920 --> 00:31:16,360
Speaker 8: due to the public's will, at least not being played

507
00:31:16,360 --> 00:31:20,719
Speaker 8: out in a public process right now. And I worry

508
00:31:20,800 --> 00:31:23,840
Speaker 8: about what has to come next for my for my

509
00:31:24,000 --> 00:31:26,880
Speaker 8: co workers, if they're going to if more people are

510
00:31:26,920 --> 00:31:28,680
Speaker 8: going to get laid off like they're already on a

511
00:31:28,720 --> 00:31:33,040
Speaker 8: skeleton crew. What's going to happen if more people get

512
00:31:33,800 --> 00:31:37,400
Speaker 8: get terminated, or people lose faith in the agency. And

513
00:31:37,400 --> 00:31:41,760
Speaker 8: and go what does that mean for the next That's

514
00:31:41,800 --> 00:31:46,680
Speaker 8: what worries me. I I'll be okay, I think I

515
00:31:46,840 --> 00:31:49,880
Speaker 8: don't know what this sets up for the future of

516
00:31:49,920 --> 00:31:55,479
Speaker 8: our public resources and our natural and national heritage in

517
00:31:55,480 --> 00:31:57,080
Speaker 8: our stewardship of these lands.

518
00:31:58,840 --> 00:32:02,640
Speaker 1: It's hard to hear man. I think. I appreciate you

519
00:32:02,640 --> 00:32:07,400
Speaker 1: coming on. I appreciate you guys asking tremendously, and we'll

520
00:32:07,480 --> 00:32:10,600
Speaker 1: keep sending you good thoughts and hope you do get reinstated.

521
00:32:12,360 --> 00:32:14,640
Speaker 1: You know, it's a good example of what's going on

522
00:32:14,760 --> 00:32:18,520
Speaker 1: right now. Things are moving really fast. Uh And and

523
00:32:18,600 --> 00:32:20,080
Speaker 1: I think at the end of the day, people just

524
00:32:20,080 --> 00:32:24,040
Speaker 1: need to understand that no matter how you voted, the

525
00:32:24,120 --> 00:32:27,160
Speaker 1: vote's over right. What matters is what you do from

526
00:32:27,160 --> 00:32:32,040
Speaker 1: now forward every single day. And it's absolutely absolutely okay

527
00:32:32,080 --> 00:32:36,400
Speaker 1: and within your power to say, hey, this particular thing

528
00:32:36,440 --> 00:32:41,280
Speaker 1: I do not agree with. Right, So thanks a bunch, Ryan,

529
00:32:41,560 --> 00:32:46,000
Speaker 1: and keep me posting. Hopefully we'll have you back on

530
00:32:46,040 --> 00:32:48,120
Speaker 1: with some good news at some point.

531
00:32:48,600 --> 00:32:48,760
Speaker 7: Well.

532
00:32:48,800 --> 00:32:52,840
Speaker 8: See, like I said, I'm speaking into personal capacity right now.

533
00:32:53,040 --> 00:32:53,240
Speaker 6: Once.

534
00:32:53,320 --> 00:32:55,160
Speaker 8: If I were to get brought back on, I have

535
00:32:55,200 --> 00:33:00,600
Speaker 8: to run it by my soup. Yeah, shit, you guys

536
00:33:00,600 --> 00:33:02,400
Speaker 8: have me on Brodie Seth. Good meeting you, guys.

537
00:33:02,440 --> 00:33:05,640
Speaker 3: Philby, thank you.

538
00:33:06,080 --> 00:33:08,840
Speaker 1: You know, I hate asking a fellow how much he makes,

539
00:33:08,880 --> 00:33:11,800
Speaker 1: but when you're in a town of eighteen hundred people,

540
00:33:12,760 --> 00:33:16,720
Speaker 1: that's a that's a significant salary to remove out of

541
00:33:16,720 --> 00:33:17,480
Speaker 1: that economy.

542
00:33:17,720 --> 00:33:21,800
Speaker 5: Sure, yeah, and I mean there's more to it than that,

543
00:33:21,840 --> 00:33:22,440
Speaker 5: even you know.

544
00:33:23,400 --> 00:33:25,280
Speaker 1: Oh absolutely.

545
00:33:27,680 --> 00:33:27,800
Speaker 6: So.

546
00:33:28,200 --> 00:33:30,280
Speaker 1: Running a little bit behind schedule, but we're gonna get

547
00:33:30,280 --> 00:33:34,760
Speaker 1: to the hard facts of the law with David Wilms,

548
00:33:35,280 --> 00:33:39,840
Speaker 1: who's our very next guest. He forgot his hair jail today.

549
00:33:41,080 --> 00:33:43,480
Speaker 7: I did, No, it's I've got lots of it in Yeah,

550
00:33:46,560 --> 00:33:47,040
Speaker 7: I'm just glad.

551
00:33:47,280 --> 00:33:48,320
Speaker 3: I'm just glad I have hair.

552
00:33:49,040 --> 00:33:52,640
Speaker 1: So David, if it's all right with you, I'd love

553
00:33:52,680 --> 00:33:55,600
Speaker 1: to just get an update on what the heck's going

554
00:33:55,640 --> 00:34:00,560
Speaker 1: on with the Utah lawsuit and then go from there

555
00:34:00,560 --> 00:34:05,280
Speaker 1: and just kind of talk about where this land transfer

556
00:34:07,640 --> 00:34:12,320
Speaker 1: sell off movement is. I can give you some feedback

557
00:34:12,360 --> 00:34:14,360
Speaker 1: on the Montana side of things, but I know Wyoming,

558
00:34:15,160 --> 00:34:17,720
Speaker 1: where you are a resident, has some stuff in motion,

559
00:34:17,840 --> 00:34:20,359
Speaker 1: and I think starting with Utah would be a great,

560
00:34:20,520 --> 00:34:21,200
Speaker 1: great place.

561
00:34:22,560 --> 00:34:24,959
Speaker 7: Sure, I'm happy to do that, and thanks for having

562
00:34:24,960 --> 00:34:28,640
Speaker 7: me on. I appreciate it so last time I was

563
00:34:28,800 --> 00:34:32,879
Speaker 7: with you guys, the Utah lawsuit was still active, right,

564
00:34:32,880 --> 00:34:35,719
Speaker 7: meaning they had this case before the United States Supreme Court.

565
00:34:35,719 --> 00:34:38,400
Speaker 7: They were asking for the Supreme Court to accept jurisdiction

566
00:34:38,640 --> 00:34:42,040
Speaker 7: of the case, and we were talking, we were speculating

567
00:34:42,040 --> 00:34:46,320
Speaker 7: what might happen. Well, in January, the United States Supreme Court,

568
00:34:47,120 --> 00:34:51,920
Speaker 7: in a twelve word order, declined to accept jurisdiction of

569
00:34:52,000 --> 00:34:54,480
Speaker 7: the case, which all that really means is they said,

570
00:34:54,520 --> 00:34:57,680
Speaker 7: it doesn't warrant us taking on what's called original jurisdiction.

571
00:34:57,719 --> 00:35:02,520
Speaker 7: It doesn't warrant us taking the case. Yet they didn't

572
00:35:02,560 --> 00:35:05,520
Speaker 7: say that there was no case there. They didn't say

573
00:35:06,200 --> 00:35:08,720
Speaker 7: that they might not hear it again in the future.

574
00:35:09,480 --> 00:35:13,120
Speaker 7: They just said, in twelve words, not now.

575
00:35:14,560 --> 00:35:14,840
Speaker 6: Case.

576
00:35:15,239 --> 00:35:19,120
Speaker 7: We declined to exercise jurisdiction. So because of that, that

577
00:35:19,200 --> 00:35:22,600
Speaker 7: case goes away. But the way I've described this to

578
00:35:22,640 --> 00:35:25,799
Speaker 7: people to use a bit of a football analogy, which

579
00:35:25,840 --> 00:35:27,400
Speaker 7: might be a little late now that we've passed the

580
00:35:27,440 --> 00:35:31,680
Speaker 7: Super Bowl, but I think it works, was that Utah

581
00:35:31,880 --> 00:35:35,439
Speaker 7: threw their Hail Mary on the first play of the game, right,

582
00:35:35,600 --> 00:35:39,120
Speaker 7: instead of the last play of the game, meaning they

583
00:35:39,160 --> 00:35:41,319
Speaker 7: took a run at the Supreme Court knowing very well

584
00:35:41,320 --> 00:35:43,680
Speaker 7: that the likelihood of the court accepting the case was

585
00:35:43,719 --> 00:35:47,480
Speaker 7: exceptionally low. And all that means now is if they

586
00:35:47,520 --> 00:35:51,160
Speaker 7: want this lawsuit to proceed to go forward, they're going

587
00:35:51,239 --> 00:35:53,000
Speaker 7: to have to file it and go through the normal

588
00:35:53,040 --> 00:35:56,040
Speaker 7: course and procedure, which means filing it in federal district court,

589
00:35:56,800 --> 00:36:00,719
Speaker 7: which is what we really expect will probably happen in

590
00:36:00,760 --> 00:36:03,759
Speaker 7: the coming months, weeks, months, don't know how long it'll take,

591
00:36:04,400 --> 00:36:07,399
Speaker 7: but would fully expect that that at some point we'll

592
00:36:07,440 --> 00:36:11,120
Speaker 7: see a new lawsuit filed in federal district court and

593
00:36:11,160 --> 00:36:14,000
Speaker 7: then we're just operating under the playbook.

594
00:36:14,080 --> 00:36:14,239
Speaker 6: Now.

595
00:36:14,400 --> 00:36:17,600
Speaker 7: Now the game's happening, Like to use that football analogy, right,

596
00:36:17,640 --> 00:36:20,080
Speaker 7: we had the we had the hail Mary, it dropped

597
00:36:20,120 --> 00:36:22,759
Speaker 7: in complete in the end zone, and now they're going

598
00:36:22,800 --> 00:36:24,839
Speaker 7: to the playbook and they're playing the game. And that's

599
00:36:24,840 --> 00:36:27,080
Speaker 7: what I would expect would happen going forward, is we'll

600
00:36:27,080 --> 00:36:31,080
Speaker 7: probably see a new lawsuit filed in federal district court

601
00:36:31,840 --> 00:36:33,640
Speaker 7: and then we'll have to go through the normal process

602
00:36:33,800 --> 00:36:38,320
Speaker 7: of emotions to dismiss motions for some rejudgment and you know,

603
00:36:38,360 --> 00:36:41,400
Speaker 7: all the things that come with with litigation.

604
00:36:41,800 --> 00:36:47,680
Speaker 1: And is there there any expected timeline on them supplying

605
00:36:47,719 --> 00:36:50,440
Speaker 1: that to the lower court, and.

606
00:36:50,400 --> 00:36:52,200
Speaker 7: They can really do it whenever they want. When I

607
00:36:52,239 --> 00:36:54,160
Speaker 7: say it could be weeks or months, I mean it

608
00:36:54,480 --> 00:36:56,719
Speaker 7: really can be any time. I don't think I've seen

609
00:36:56,760 --> 00:37:01,799
Speaker 7: anything publicly indicating when that might come. It's just when

610
00:37:01,840 --> 00:37:02,279
Speaker 7: they're ready.

611
00:37:02,320 --> 00:37:03,279
Speaker 6: They'll have to you know.

612
00:37:03,320 --> 00:37:06,759
Speaker 7: I suspect they learned some things, and they floated some

613
00:37:06,840 --> 00:37:07,600
Speaker 7: legal theories.

614
00:37:08,200 --> 00:37:08,439
Speaker 6: Uh.

615
00:37:08,760 --> 00:37:11,279
Speaker 7: And I think some of those legal theories, folks were

616
00:37:11,280 --> 00:37:14,239
Speaker 7: able to poke some holes in uh and you know,

617
00:37:14,320 --> 00:37:16,359
Speaker 7: in that Supreme Court filing, And so I could see

618
00:37:16,400 --> 00:37:19,120
Speaker 7: them going back and making some changes to that complaint

619
00:37:19,239 --> 00:37:21,880
Speaker 7: and maybe pleading this case a little bit differently. I

620
00:37:21,920 --> 00:37:24,239
Speaker 7: don't know what I mean. The end result would be

621
00:37:24,480 --> 00:37:27,000
Speaker 7: asking for roughly the same thing I suspect, but the

622
00:37:27,680 --> 00:37:30,279
Speaker 7: legal arguments to get there might they might tweak those

623
00:37:30,320 --> 00:37:31,879
Speaker 7: a little bit. So it just depends on how long

624
00:37:31,920 --> 00:37:35,640
Speaker 7: it takes for them to do that and uh and

625
00:37:35,640 --> 00:37:37,640
Speaker 7: and when they decide that timing is right for them

626
00:37:37,680 --> 00:37:38,520
Speaker 7: to refile.

627
00:37:39,160 --> 00:37:41,040
Speaker 4: Dave, is there any former.

628
00:37:42,640 --> 00:37:47,879
Speaker 5: Former examples of these kind of cases where we can

629
00:37:48,520 --> 00:37:51,560
Speaker 5: like kind of base what we think should happen in

630
00:37:51,600 --> 00:37:55,960
Speaker 5: the next round, not necessarily what will but what should

631
00:37:56,040 --> 00:37:57,840
Speaker 5: based on what's happened in the past.

632
00:37:59,120 --> 00:38:02,120
Speaker 7: You mean, like, sorry to ask it another way, but

633
00:38:02,239 --> 00:38:06,120
Speaker 7: you mean like an attempt to get to the to

634
00:38:06,160 --> 00:38:08,120
Speaker 7: the Supreme Court that being denied.

635
00:38:08,680 --> 00:38:12,840
Speaker 5: Or in a federal district court just another an example

636
00:38:12,880 --> 00:38:16,840
Speaker 5: of another lawsuit like this that turned out a certain way.

637
00:38:17,360 --> 00:38:19,880
Speaker 5: Or is this just like who knows what's going to happen?

638
00:38:21,040 --> 00:38:23,880
Speaker 7: I like, I view this as a I mean, you

639
00:38:23,920 --> 00:38:26,399
Speaker 7: don't know what's going to happen. Although I would say

640
00:38:26,400 --> 00:38:28,959
Speaker 7: that there's a lot of federal case law out there

641
00:38:29,000 --> 00:38:34,479
Speaker 7: talking about the ability of the federal government to own

642
00:38:34,520 --> 00:38:38,040
Speaker 7: and manage federal lands, Like there's two hundred years of

643
00:38:38,120 --> 00:38:41,200
Speaker 7: precedent out there that Utah is going to somehow have

644
00:38:41,360 --> 00:38:44,160
Speaker 7: to explain away. And I think we talked about it before.

645
00:38:44,280 --> 00:38:48,080
Speaker 7: What the narrow angle they were taking was, which is

646
00:38:49,120 --> 00:38:53,320
Speaker 7: you know that that despite this two hundred years of precedent,

647
00:38:53,360 --> 00:38:56,080
Speaker 7: it was all those cases we're doing was confirming that

648
00:38:56,120 --> 00:39:00,520
Speaker 7: the federal government could manage and manage those lands elusively.

649
00:39:01,120 --> 00:39:04,720
Speaker 7: But that maybe there it didn't actually address the question

650
00:39:04,760 --> 00:39:07,319
Speaker 7: of could they hold on to those lands in perpetuity?

651
00:39:08,080 --> 00:39:11,800
Speaker 7: And so that that's the narrow question they're trying to

652
00:39:12,280 --> 00:39:15,360
Speaker 7: force into the discussion. But man, there's a lot of

653
00:39:15,400 --> 00:39:18,440
Speaker 7: case law out there talking about the federal government having

654
00:39:18,480 --> 00:39:21,399
Speaker 7: the absolute authority to manage public lands and to own

655
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Speaker 7: public lands. Well, it's tough. It's going to be a

656
00:39:25,080 --> 00:39:25,640
Speaker 7: tough case.

657
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Speaker 1: One one good thing that I see here is when

658
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Speaker 1: these things come up, they kind of boil over and

659
00:39:33,040 --> 00:39:40,040
Speaker 1: they become so in the past, so socially unacceptable to

660
00:39:40,160 --> 00:39:44,560
Speaker 1: mess with these big chunks of federally managed public lands

661
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Speaker 1: that are managed on behalf of all of us and

662
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Speaker 1: and they're America's playground. Plus it's where a lot of

663
00:39:51,239 --> 00:39:56,360
Speaker 1: Americans make their living, both in the private sector and

664
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Speaker 1: in the public sector. We're seeing efforts in several states,

665
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Speaker 1: states that have joined the lawsuit on behalf of Utah,

666
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Speaker 1: and bills being introduced in different legislative sessions. And to me,

667
00:40:17,160 --> 00:40:22,200
Speaker 1: like the positive there is being able to say, like, oh,

668
00:40:21,520 --> 00:40:25,680
Speaker 1: that's the person that we need to have a good

669
00:40:26,160 --> 00:40:28,880
Speaker 1: conversation with because they are going to be on the

670
00:40:28,920 --> 00:40:32,480
Speaker 1: wrong side of history. So I kind of like when

671
00:40:32,520 --> 00:40:34,960
Speaker 1: this stuff pops up in a way because it flushes

672
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Speaker 1: out folks with bad ideas.

673
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Speaker 7: Yeah, I mean, I think you're right I also think

674
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Speaker 7: there's the timing of this discussion is perfect. So I

675
00:40:46,400 --> 00:40:48,680
Speaker 7: don't know if you've talked about this or seen this,

676
00:40:48,760 --> 00:40:53,799
Speaker 7: but yesterday Colorado College released a Conservation in the West pole.

677
00:40:53,880 --> 00:40:56,600
Speaker 7: They do this poll every year and it's there. They're

678
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Speaker 7: pulling voters in the West, particularly the Inner Mountain West,

679
00:41:01,560 --> 00:41:04,319
Speaker 7: on a host of conservation issues, and one of the

680
00:41:04,400 --> 00:41:08,560
Speaker 7: questions that they were asked was about transfer of lands

681
00:41:08,719 --> 00:41:11,200
Speaker 7: to from states or from the federal government to states,

682
00:41:11,760 --> 00:41:17,520
Speaker 7: and sixty seven percent of respondents oppose that across the

683
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Speaker 7: West in the aggregate, and in Utah it's fifty seven percent.

684
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Speaker 7: So even in Utah that's leading the charge on this. Now,

685
00:41:24,120 --> 00:41:28,320
Speaker 7: fifty seven percent of the voters doesn't matter political party

686
00:41:28,760 --> 00:41:34,080
Speaker 7: oppose transfer. And so to your point of these bills

687
00:41:34,080 --> 00:41:37,759
Speaker 7: coming up in state and you know, seeing who's sponsoring them,

688
00:41:37,760 --> 00:41:41,319
Speaker 7: who's behind the bills, I think that matters because the

689
00:41:41,360 --> 00:41:45,120
Speaker 7: public doesn't want to see this happen. This data is,

690
00:41:45,400 --> 00:41:47,719
Speaker 7: you know, just like I said, just released yesterday, which

691
00:41:47,719 --> 00:41:50,320
Speaker 7: confirms you know, the poll from last year, in the

692
00:41:50,320 --> 00:41:51,920
Speaker 7: poll from the year before, and you can go back

693
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Speaker 7: and look at poles over time, it's pretty consistent. The

694
00:41:54,320 --> 00:41:59,360
Speaker 7: public doesn't want to see federal lands transferred. There's a

695
00:42:00,360 --> 00:42:04,200
Speaker 7: there's an accountability piece here, an opportunity and educational opportunity,

696
00:42:04,200 --> 00:42:07,120
Speaker 7: and accountability opportunity in the states.

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Speaker 1: And who's who holds people accountable?

698
00:42:09,880 --> 00:42:10,280
Speaker 7: Voters?

699
00:42:10,320 --> 00:42:10,839
Speaker 6: You've got it.

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Speaker 1: That's right, that's right. So what's happening in Wyoming, David?

701
00:42:17,040 --> 00:42:19,960
Speaker 6: What isn't happening in Wyoming? Geez?

702
00:42:21,400 --> 00:42:24,080
Speaker 7: So I could talk about a couple of the things.

703
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Speaker 7: So there was a bill and this one or sorry,

704
00:42:27,880 --> 00:42:30,960
Speaker 7: excuse excuse me, a joint resolution, and this one actually

705
00:42:31,040 --> 00:42:34,400
Speaker 7: died recently, but it it made it pretty far on

706
00:42:34,440 --> 00:42:39,759
Speaker 7: the Senate side, which proposed transferring all federal lands in

707
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Speaker 7: the state to the state, including Grand Teton National Park,

708
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Speaker 7: so everything except Yellowstone and that that did ultimately die

709
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Speaker 7: in the Senate on second or third reading, and I

710
00:42:52,760 --> 00:42:55,720
Speaker 7: think it was, I mean, it was a narrow, narrow margin.

711
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Speaker 7: Then you have a couple of others. There's been a

712
00:42:59,719 --> 00:43:03,160
Speaker 7: bill there to this one I believe is still alive,

713
00:43:04,080 --> 00:43:07,480
Speaker 7: and it would require if you're a private landowner, you

714
00:43:07,520 --> 00:43:10,320
Speaker 7: own your own property and you want to sell that property,

715
00:43:10,800 --> 00:43:13,400
Speaker 7: and the buyer that's interested in that property is the

716
00:43:13,400 --> 00:43:17,360
Speaker 7: federal government under this bill, the state legislature would have

717
00:43:17,400 --> 00:43:21,160
Speaker 7: to approve that sale. You could not sell your private

718
00:43:21,200 --> 00:43:24,160
Speaker 7: land to the federal government without the state legislature's approval.

719
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Speaker 7: And that bill, to my understanding, is still alive, and

720
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Speaker 7: it's rooted in this concept of the state wanting to

721
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Speaker 7: have a no net gain of federal lands in the state.

722
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Speaker 7: And then there's one other thing I'd mentioned in state

723
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Speaker 7: and this one's not a bill, and this one's pretty quiet,

724
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Speaker 7: And this is like I mentioned this because it's something

725
00:43:44,120 --> 00:43:45,960
Speaker 7: I think people should be aware of because it could

726
00:43:45,960 --> 00:43:50,080
Speaker 7: happen in any number of states. But I'm sure you've

727
00:43:50,120 --> 00:43:53,839
Speaker 7: talked about this before on your podcasts, and I'm sure

728
00:43:54,040 --> 00:43:58,600
Speaker 7: listeners know. There was a parcel of land in Grand

729
00:43:58,640 --> 00:44:00,759
Speaker 7: Teton National Park that was owned by the state of

730
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Speaker 7: Wyoming that late last year was sold to the Park

731
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Speaker 7: Service for one hundred million dollars six hundred and forty

732
00:44:09,480 --> 00:44:14,120
Speaker 7: acres section that was bordered on I think it was

733
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Speaker 7: on two sides by the Park Service, one side by

734
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Speaker 7: the National Elk Refuge and one side by the National Forest.

735
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Speaker 7: So it was just transferred to the federal government, which

736
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Speaker 7: was a great deal for Wyoming to get one hundred

737
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Speaker 7: million dollars out of it, and it was a great

738
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Speaker 7: deal for the Park Service to ensure that that land

739
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Speaker 7: wouldn't be sold or subdivided or developed. Now the state

740
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Speaker 7: wants to package that one hundred million dollars and an

741
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Speaker 7: additional I can't remember the exact number, forty eight or

742
00:44:41,400 --> 00:44:44,719
Speaker 7: fifty million from a sale that occurred about ten years

743
00:44:44,719 --> 00:44:47,480
Speaker 7: ago of another parcel in the park and they want

744
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Speaker 7: to put a proposal on. In fact, I think they

745
00:44:49,600 --> 00:44:51,719
Speaker 7: may have already submitted the proposal to the Bureau of

746
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Speaker 7: Land Management to purchase ten thousand acres of BLM land

747
00:44:56,280 --> 00:45:01,040
Speaker 7: in northeast Wyoming with that money. I think that's pretty quiet.

748
00:45:01,080 --> 00:45:02,640
Speaker 7: I don't think there have been there's been a lot

749
00:45:02,640 --> 00:45:06,239
Speaker 7: of press about that, and it's a It's something I

750
00:45:06,320 --> 00:45:09,759
Speaker 7: note because there is a process under the Federal Land

751
00:45:09,760 --> 00:45:14,440
Speaker 7: Policy Management Act for transferring federal lands or selling federal

752
00:45:14,520 --> 00:45:19,400
Speaker 7: lands if it's in the national interest, and I suspect

753
00:45:19,520 --> 00:45:23,600
Speaker 7: there's going to be a pitch that this sale would

754
00:45:23,640 --> 00:45:27,399
Speaker 7: be considered in the national interest. It's an acreage that's

755
00:45:27,480 --> 00:45:32,239
Speaker 7: large enough that it would require notification to Congress, but

756
00:45:32,400 --> 00:45:34,960
Speaker 7: I don't think it requires approval of Congress. It's one

757
00:45:35,000 --> 00:45:37,160
Speaker 7: of those where you provide a notification to Congress and

758
00:45:37,160 --> 00:45:40,440
Speaker 7: if Congress, if one chamber of Congress doesn't oppose within

759
00:45:40,560 --> 00:45:43,640
Speaker 7: thirty days to the transaction, then they can move forward

760
00:45:43,719 --> 00:45:45,279
Speaker 7: with it. Now, there are other things that have to happen.

761
00:45:45,280 --> 00:45:47,560
Speaker 7: They've got to comply with the National Environmental Policy Act,

762
00:45:47,560 --> 00:45:50,480
Speaker 7: probably have to do an EIS, it could be environmental

763
00:45:50,520 --> 00:45:52,799
Speaker 7: impact statement. It could be years before that happens. But

764
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Speaker 7: it's an example of using existing processes and something kind

765
00:45:58,160 --> 00:46:02,000
Speaker 7: of behind the scenes to affect like pretty significant land transfers.

766
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Speaker 1: And I think I think that's something that everybody needs

767
00:46:04,719 --> 00:46:10,280
Speaker 1: to be aware of, Like land transfers, sales of publicly

768
00:46:10,320 --> 00:46:13,680
Speaker 1: managed ground, they do occur and then they have for

769
00:46:13,719 --> 00:46:17,400
Speaker 1: a long time and and sometimes there's some gains as well,

770
00:46:19,320 --> 00:46:22,600
Speaker 1: But everybody needs to be aware that that they can

771
00:46:22,760 --> 00:46:26,200
Speaker 1: weigh in on those. They have a vested interest in saying,

772
00:46:26,239 --> 00:46:30,120
Speaker 1: whoa that doesn't work for me, or this does in

773
00:46:30,400 --> 00:46:31,319
Speaker 1: in the can frame it.

774
00:46:31,280 --> 00:46:33,960
Speaker 5: In a way that's not it's not like a seizure,

775
00:46:34,120 --> 00:46:37,440
Speaker 5: right Like it's kind of like willing seller willing buyer

776
00:46:37,719 --> 00:46:40,000
Speaker 5: type thing. Like they can frame it that way, and

777
00:46:41,040 --> 00:46:43,560
Speaker 5: you know, it's harder to fight that I think.

778
00:46:43,520 --> 00:46:47,120
Speaker 1: Oh, absolutely absolutely. You want me to hit you with

779
00:46:47,160 --> 00:46:49,920
Speaker 1: some Montana stuff, David, Yeah.

780
00:46:49,760 --> 00:46:51,200
Speaker 7: And then I might punt it right back to you

781
00:46:51,239 --> 00:46:51,799
Speaker 7: to answer it.

782
00:46:54,320 --> 00:46:56,880
Speaker 1: Well, I mean things that I think people should know about.

783
00:46:56,960 --> 00:47:01,120
Speaker 1: Right So, as we talk there, the debate on land

784
00:47:01,160 --> 00:47:05,600
Speaker 1: transfer is I'm sorry, Brody's got party in his pants

785
00:47:05,600 --> 00:47:10,720
Speaker 1: over here. The debate on land transfer always edges towards well,

786
00:47:11,120 --> 00:47:14,919
Speaker 1: the state state will manage it better, and I kind

787
00:47:14,920 --> 00:47:17,280
Speaker 1: of kick that back and say, well, it's not actually

788
00:47:17,280 --> 00:47:23,080
Speaker 1: about management. The fear is that the state will have

789
00:47:23,160 --> 00:47:27,160
Speaker 1: to sell these lands if they were to actually get

790
00:47:27,239 --> 00:47:31,239
Speaker 1: ownership of them, for a bunch of reasons. Most most

791
00:47:31,239 --> 00:47:35,920
Speaker 1: of them are would be just tackling any sort of

792
00:47:35,960 --> 00:47:40,680
Speaker 1: budget deficits that would come up in the future. So

793
00:47:41,560 --> 00:47:46,759
Speaker 1: right now, in the state of Montana, we had a

794
00:47:46,920 --> 00:47:49,839
Speaker 1: and I feel strongly that most of our politicians really

795
00:47:49,880 --> 00:47:55,320
Speaker 1: know that land transfer, land sell off, reducing public land,

796
00:47:55,440 --> 00:47:58,520
Speaker 1: public access is not something that's going to get you elected.

797
00:48:00,080 --> 00:48:06,200
Speaker 1: But we did see a you know, a Montana state

798
00:48:06,280 --> 00:48:11,839
Speaker 1: funded i e. The taxpayer funded program get put into

799
00:48:11,840 --> 00:48:15,279
Speaker 1: place this year that would assess all state lands and

800
00:48:15,520 --> 00:48:21,400
Speaker 1: identify lands to sell. And then right now we have

801
00:48:22,719 --> 00:48:27,520
Speaker 1: what is it, HB three seventy nine, House Built three

802
00:48:27,560 --> 00:48:31,960
Speaker 1: seventy nine, which would essentially just streamline the process of

803
00:48:32,040 --> 00:48:38,520
Speaker 1: selling state lands. And then most recently, and this kind

804
00:48:38,520 --> 00:48:41,200
Speaker 1: of goes into the social side of things, like our

805
00:48:41,239 --> 00:48:44,080
Speaker 1: governor was just quoted in a Wall Street Journal opinion

806
00:48:44,080 --> 00:48:53,200
Speaker 1: piece that is very land transfer privatization adjacent. But just

807
00:48:53,280 --> 00:48:56,200
Speaker 1: the fact that he's quoted in there makes me nervous, right,

808
00:48:56,280 --> 00:49:02,560
Speaker 1: And and it's this I this conglomeration of state lands

809
00:49:02,560 --> 00:49:05,719
Speaker 1: and federally public federally managed public lands are the same.

810
00:49:06,640 --> 00:49:09,360
Speaker 1: And and in a lot of ways, it's like apples

811
00:49:09,360 --> 00:49:11,600
Speaker 1: to comb quats, right, Like we're we're not in the

812
00:49:11,600 --> 00:49:16,640
Speaker 1: same ballpark where they're they're very different. And then on

813
00:49:16,680 --> 00:49:20,680
Speaker 1: top of that, we have a bill that hasn't seen

814
00:49:20,719 --> 00:49:23,120
Speaker 1: the light of day yet, but I think it is

815
00:49:23,880 --> 00:49:29,200
Speaker 1: one of those things that hasn't quite gotten out into

816
00:49:29,239 --> 00:49:32,360
Speaker 1: the light because they're afraid of the social repercussions.

817
00:49:33,440 --> 00:49:33,720
Speaker 5: Rep.

818
00:49:33,880 --> 00:49:39,080
Speaker 1: Tommy Millet of Marion, Montana has LC two nine one two,

819
00:49:39,200 --> 00:49:43,920
Speaker 1: which is a draft, but it would be supporting Utah's lawsuit,

820
00:49:44,480 --> 00:49:49,000
Speaker 1: So straight up support of land transfer going through the

821
00:49:49,000 --> 00:49:52,799
Speaker 1: Montana State legislature, which hasn't been there. Uh, we haven't

822
00:49:52,840 --> 00:49:58,000
Speaker 1: seen it yet. But all of this to say, on

823
00:49:58,040 --> 00:50:00,560
Speaker 1: the federal side of things, we're dealing with some very

824
00:50:00,800 --> 00:50:06,480
Speaker 1: challenging times regarding our public lands and that those challenges

825
00:50:06,800 --> 00:50:10,839
Speaker 1: are going to have repercussions in the way that we

826
00:50:11,520 --> 00:50:15,319
Speaker 1: experience public lands. Right now, the same stuff that we've

827
00:50:15,360 --> 00:50:25,040
Speaker 1: been talking about bathrooms, campgrounds, road maintenance, trail maintenance. Down

828
00:50:25,080 --> 00:50:29,000
Speaker 1: to Ryan that we just talked to is like, it's

829
00:50:29,080 --> 00:50:34,000
Speaker 1: possible that our range land that create you know, tall grass,

830
00:50:34,040 --> 00:50:37,000
Speaker 1: makes fat cattle, but it also makes you know, awesome

831
00:50:37,040 --> 00:50:39,719
Speaker 1: horn growth on big g narley, mule deer bucks. Right,

832
00:50:41,840 --> 00:50:46,799
Speaker 1: it's possible that just that soil and range land could

833
00:50:46,800 --> 00:50:50,239
Speaker 1: be affected, like down down to that level. At the

834
00:50:50,239 --> 00:50:57,839
Speaker 1: state level, we're seeing movement to acquire, slash dispose of

835
00:50:58,560 --> 00:51:04,040
Speaker 1: public land. What's your sense of the landscape right now?

836
00:51:06,440 --> 00:51:10,440
Speaker 7: Yeah, I mean you summed it up pretty well. There's

837
00:51:11,040 --> 00:51:16,800
Speaker 7: I would say, some antagonistic behavior in various states. Montana, Wyoming, Utah,

838
00:51:16,880 --> 00:51:20,920
Speaker 7: Arizona are right at the top of the list. From

839
00:51:21,080 --> 00:51:26,320
Speaker 7: you know, the state level pursuing policies that would encourage

840
00:51:26,960 --> 00:51:30,040
Speaker 7: federal land transfer. I think you also have to look

841
00:51:30,080 --> 00:51:34,000
Speaker 7: to what's going on in DC as well, the things

842
00:51:34,000 --> 00:51:36,680
Speaker 7: that have happened or the things that haven't happened yet

843
00:51:36,719 --> 00:51:40,880
Speaker 7: but could. And it's sort of a This would be

844
00:51:40,920 --> 00:51:42,799
Speaker 7: a call to say, hey, keep your eyes out for

845
00:51:42,840 --> 00:51:46,080
Speaker 7: some of this stuff. You might have heard. You know,

846
00:51:46,080 --> 00:51:51,480
Speaker 7: everybody's probably seen news reports about, you know, reconciliation and

847
00:51:52,520 --> 00:51:56,920
Speaker 7: what it looks like for pursuing the president's policy agenda

848
00:51:56,960 --> 00:51:59,960
Speaker 7: and getting through this reconciliation process and getting tax cut

849
00:52:00,160 --> 00:52:02,279
Speaker 7: made permanent. I'll use that example because that's the one

850
00:52:02,280 --> 00:52:05,920
Speaker 7: that's directly correlated here. You know, they had the twenty

851
00:52:06,000 --> 00:52:09,560
Speaker 7: seventeen tax cuts during his first presidency, and he wants

852
00:52:09,600 --> 00:52:12,880
Speaker 7: to wants to make those permanent and maybe add some

853
00:52:12,920 --> 00:52:15,960
Speaker 7: additional cuts. And when you have tax cuts, you have

854
00:52:16,000 --> 00:52:18,360
Speaker 7: to be able to pay for that lost revenue. You

855
00:52:18,400 --> 00:52:21,480
Speaker 7: have to offset that revenue. And one of the ideas

856
00:52:21,520 --> 00:52:25,520
Speaker 7: that I've seen floated around is using this you know,

857
00:52:25,600 --> 00:52:30,040
Speaker 7: I think somebody estimated two hundred trillion dollar asset that

858
00:52:30,200 --> 00:52:33,520
Speaker 7: is our federal lands, using some of those to help

859
00:52:33,840 --> 00:52:40,800
Speaker 7: offset the like selling those to offset the tax cuts.

860
00:52:42,040 --> 00:52:45,360
Speaker 7: I'll make it in there. But those conversations are certainly

861
00:52:45,400 --> 00:52:46,640
Speaker 7: happening behind closed doors.

862
00:52:46,640 --> 00:52:49,799
Speaker 5: Well, there's precedent for that at the state level. Right

863
00:52:49,920 --> 00:52:53,560
Speaker 5: like that, there are plenty of states that don't have

864
00:52:54,200 --> 00:52:58,120
Speaker 5: any state owned public land because they sold them all to.

865
00:53:00,080 --> 00:53:03,319
Speaker 1: Every single state has less state land than they started with.

866
00:53:03,440 --> 00:53:07,800
Speaker 5: Right and they use that to do whatever fund the government.

867
00:53:09,080 --> 00:53:13,920
Speaker 5: So it's almost like taking that to the national level, right.

868
00:53:14,840 --> 00:53:17,680
Speaker 7: Yeah, I mean at the state level. The difference here

869
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Speaker 7: is at the state level, all of these states received

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Speaker 7: these parcels of land and were constitutionally obligated to maximize

871
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Speaker 7: the revenue off of those acres, and the maximizing of

872
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Speaker 7: the revenue off of those acres sometimes meant selling those

873
00:53:32,600 --> 00:53:35,919
Speaker 7: I mean the state of Utah still has I think

874
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Speaker 7: every six months they hold sales of state trust lands.

875
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Speaker 7: And the idea is you maximize the revenue for your

876
00:53:43,880 --> 00:53:47,160
Speaker 7: public schools and hospitals and universities. Depending on the state

877
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Speaker 7: and the constitution, So there's this constitutional obligation that has

878
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Speaker 7: led to the selling off of a lot of that

879
00:53:54,600 --> 00:53:59,240
Speaker 7: land estate. You don't have that obligation at the federal level.

880
00:54:00,080 --> 00:54:05,560
Speaker 7: It's it's it's a little bit disconcerning, uh that those

881
00:54:06,400 --> 00:54:09,080
Speaker 7: that we're now talking you know, I don't I'm not

882
00:54:09,080 --> 00:54:11,640
Speaker 7: going to call it mainstream. I don't think it's mainstream.

883
00:54:11,680 --> 00:54:14,000
Speaker 7: I think most people, even at the federal level in Congress,

884
00:54:14,000 --> 00:54:16,560
Speaker 7: oppose this idea of selling off the federal estate or

885
00:54:16,600 --> 00:54:17,359
Speaker 7: transferring it.

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00:54:17,560 --> 00:54:20,160
Speaker 1: Well, you know what's interesting, though, David, is if you

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00:54:20,200 --> 00:54:22,920
Speaker 1: look at like Utah is a great example, Like if

888
00:54:22,960 --> 00:54:26,759
Speaker 1: you look at the revenue generated. Uh, you know, Utah

889
00:54:26,960 --> 00:54:33,120
Speaker 1: like taxes as most states do, right, they tax oil

890
00:54:33,120 --> 00:54:38,200
Speaker 1: and gas extraction mining in a much different way than

891
00:54:38,960 --> 00:54:43,719
Speaker 1: the Feds do. And like the income received through extractive

892
00:54:43,719 --> 00:54:47,960
Speaker 1: industry on state land in Utah is significant. So, like

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00:54:48,719 --> 00:54:52,640
Speaker 1: you know, I don't know much about anything. My life's

894
00:54:52,760 --> 00:54:54,600
Speaker 1: as much of a mass as the next person. But

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Speaker 1: I don't see how it makes sense to sell off

896
00:54:57,880 --> 00:55:01,960
Speaker 1: that land. Like it's like male box money to the

897
00:55:02,000 --> 00:55:03,240
Speaker 1: tunes of billions of dollars.

898
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Speaker 7: Well, you pointed out one one big thing, right, Like

899
00:55:09,000 --> 00:55:13,080
Speaker 7: the federal government isn't required to manage public lands to

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Speaker 7: generate revenue. They do generate revenue. They sell oil and gas.

901
00:55:16,480 --> 00:55:18,759
Speaker 7: They have grazing leases, and your last guests, you know,

902
00:55:18,800 --> 00:55:21,880
Speaker 7: highlighted the dollar thirty five and aum for grazing leases.

903
00:55:22,440 --> 00:55:24,600
Speaker 7: The states are required to make money off of it,

904
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Speaker 7: as much money as possible, which is why it costs

905
00:55:26,960 --> 00:55:29,440
Speaker 7: in a lot of places one thousand percent more to

906
00:55:29,600 --> 00:55:32,399
Speaker 7: graze on state land than it does on private land.

907
00:55:32,440 --> 00:55:35,359
Speaker 7: Why oil and gas royalty payments to the states are

908
00:55:35,440 --> 00:55:38,439
Speaker 7: higher on state land than they are on federal lands,

909
00:55:38,440 --> 00:55:42,880
Speaker 7: because they're required to generate that revenue. They're not required

910
00:55:43,040 --> 00:55:49,200
Speaker 7: to manage lands with multiple use in mind, including recreation

911
00:55:49,360 --> 00:55:52,360
Speaker 7: and hunting and angling and conservation and all of the

912
00:55:52,440 --> 00:55:55,680
Speaker 7: things that go into multiple lease management. It's different. The

913
00:55:55,680 --> 00:55:59,839
Speaker 7: state systems are just different. And so if you had,

914
00:56:00,160 --> 00:56:03,000
Speaker 7: if you have these transfers, they're going to be managed

915
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Speaker 7: differently than they are currently managed under the federal system.

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Speaker 7: And you know when I mean, here's one thing that

917
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Speaker 7: I was faced with. So I used to work as

918
00:56:12,920 --> 00:56:15,640
Speaker 7: you know, I used to work for the governor here

919
00:56:15,680 --> 00:56:19,080
Speaker 7: in Wyoming, the prior governor, and when we were faced with,

920
00:56:19,560 --> 00:56:22,759
Speaker 7: you know, questions about whether we should support public land transfers,

921
00:56:22,800 --> 00:56:26,359
Speaker 7: one of the big reasons we opposed it was the

922
00:56:26,400 --> 00:56:29,759
Speaker 7: cost of fighting fire would have bankrupt the state. We

923
00:56:29,800 --> 00:56:33,799
Speaker 7: couldn't afford to do it. You know. It was so

924
00:56:33,800 --> 00:56:38,000
Speaker 7: so unbelievably expensive and so important to our states to

925
00:56:38,000 --> 00:56:40,120
Speaker 7: have and to have fire crews and equipment and everything

926
00:56:40,120 --> 00:56:45,200
Speaker 7: out there combating these big wildfires. But it's like they're

927
00:56:45,360 --> 00:56:48,560
Speaker 7: just different systems. And so this idea that we that

928
00:56:48,640 --> 00:56:52,400
Speaker 7: we'd would use federal lands to help pay for tax

929
00:56:52,480 --> 00:56:56,080
Speaker 7: cuts by selling them either to either to private landowners

930
00:56:56,360 --> 00:57:01,760
Speaker 7: or to two states, you know, it's so short sighted,

931
00:57:02,080 --> 00:57:06,640
Speaker 7: Like the impacts on that would would be pretty pretty catastrophic,

932
00:57:06,680 --> 00:57:08,040
Speaker 7: hard even hard to describe.

933
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Speaker 1: Well, yeah, and I think anybody who's trying to get

934
00:57:10,120 --> 00:57:13,839
Speaker 1: a mortgage in a western state right now understands that,

935
00:57:14,960 --> 00:57:17,800
Speaker 1: holy cow, this land just keeps going up and up

936
00:57:17,880 --> 00:57:20,160
Speaker 1: and up. David.

937
00:57:20,640 --> 00:57:21,280
Speaker 3: I'd love to.

938
00:57:21,240 --> 00:57:24,240
Speaker 1: Talk to you more, but I am running this horribly

939
00:57:24,280 --> 00:57:24,800
Speaker 1: over time.

940
00:57:25,400 --> 00:57:26,360
Speaker 6: You are way behind.

941
00:57:26,400 --> 00:57:31,360
Speaker 1: I can tell yes, yes, all right, day, Thank you

942
00:57:31,400 --> 00:57:34,480
Speaker 1: so much for coming out Where where can folks way in.

943
00:57:36,320 --> 00:57:37,120
Speaker 7: On which thing?

944
00:57:38,160 --> 00:57:40,960
Speaker 1: On all of it? Like, if you want to be

945
00:57:41,000 --> 00:57:44,440
Speaker 1: a public lands advocate right now, what's what's your top two.

946
00:57:46,040 --> 00:57:48,000
Speaker 7: I will tell you. If you're in one of the

947
00:57:48,000 --> 00:57:51,720
Speaker 7: states we talked about, Montana, Wyoming, Arizona, Utah, you reach

948
00:57:51,720 --> 00:57:55,320
Speaker 7: out to your local legislator, reach out to your state representative,

949
00:57:55,920 --> 00:57:58,400
Speaker 7: send notes to the governor's office. Governors have the power

950
00:57:58,440 --> 00:58:00,400
Speaker 7: of the pen on the veto right. Some of these

951
00:58:00,400 --> 00:58:03,680
Speaker 7: things come through if they pass, So reaching out to

952
00:58:03,720 --> 00:58:08,000
Speaker 7: your local elected officials is really important on some of

953
00:58:08,000 --> 00:58:11,480
Speaker 7: this stuff. On the federal level, reaching out to your delegation,

954
00:58:11,840 --> 00:58:16,520
Speaker 7: your congressional delegation is going to be really important as well,

955
00:58:16,640 --> 00:58:19,120
Speaker 7: especially as it gets closer and closer to this budget

956
00:58:19,120 --> 00:58:23,680
Speaker 7: reconciliation process. You know there are going to be other bills,

957
00:58:23,720 --> 00:58:28,080
Speaker 7: like using federal lands to build homes, like to use

958
00:58:28,120 --> 00:58:34,000
Speaker 7: it for housing in places that don't have housing. That's

959
00:58:34,040 --> 00:58:37,200
Speaker 7: a big debate that has to happen, but you know,

960
00:58:37,280 --> 00:58:39,240
Speaker 7: keep your eyes out for that too, and contact your

961
00:58:39,280 --> 00:58:41,920
Speaker 7: local representats until you tell them how you feel about that.

962
00:58:42,040 --> 00:58:44,160
Speaker 7: I can tell you that Conservation of the West Poles

963
00:58:44,400 --> 00:58:47,560
Speaker 7: has data about that, and most people overwhelmingly don't want

964
00:58:47,560 --> 00:58:50,160
Speaker 7: to see their public lands sold through housing projects either.

965
00:58:50,720 --> 00:58:54,840
Speaker 7: So elected officials are elected for a reason, right to

966
00:58:54,920 --> 00:59:00,000
Speaker 7: represent you, and the only way they are representing you

967
00:59:00,120 --> 00:59:02,360
Speaker 7: as if you tell them what you think.

968
00:59:03,680 --> 00:59:05,840
Speaker 1: That's right, that's right. And I'll tell you there's nothing

969
00:59:05,880 --> 00:59:09,040
Speaker 1: about the layout of Bosangelus, Montana that makes me think

970
00:59:09,080 --> 00:59:11,680
Speaker 1: that the people who built this place are going to

971
00:59:11,720 --> 00:59:13,280
Speaker 1: do it better. On public lamp.

972
00:59:16,720 --> 00:59:18,520
Speaker 9: Like, I'm not going to argue with you on that,

973
00:59:18,760 --> 00:59:27,040
Speaker 9: all right, Thanks a bunch, David, appreciate it, all right.

974
00:59:27,000 --> 00:59:29,040
Speaker 1: Gig, I apologize for running so high.

975
00:59:29,920 --> 00:59:30,160
Speaker 6: Phil.

976
00:59:30,200 --> 00:59:31,520
Speaker 1: Do you want to do listener feedback?

977
00:59:31,600 --> 00:59:31,720
Speaker 7: Right?

978
00:59:31,800 --> 00:59:34,320
Speaker 2: Here's the convenient thing, cals that are you surprised that

979
00:59:34,400 --> 00:59:37,800
Speaker 2: the live chat has pretty much devolved into an all

980
00:59:37,800 --> 00:59:38,480
Speaker 2: out brawl?

981
00:59:38,880 --> 00:59:41,000
Speaker 3: That's kind of toned down a little bit, But.

982
00:59:41,640 --> 00:59:44,280
Speaker 2: You know, I would say there are some people who

983
00:59:44,280 --> 00:59:46,760
Speaker 2: are level headed and just having a conversation and other

984
00:59:46,800 --> 00:59:49,240
Speaker 2: people who need to get their shit together and grow up.

985
00:59:49,480 --> 00:59:52,440
Speaker 2: Had I had to ban someone for name calling, so

986
00:59:52,440 --> 00:59:53,040
Speaker 2: so you know.

987
00:59:53,600 --> 00:59:54,360
Speaker 3: Don't do that.

988
00:59:55,280 --> 00:59:58,040
Speaker 1: Man, you can't be a good advocate if you lead

989
00:59:58,080 --> 01:00:00,160
Speaker 1: off by telling somebody they're a jerk, and and then

990
01:00:00,160 --> 01:00:03,640
Speaker 1: you're like, but you should listen to me. Just the

991
01:00:03,640 --> 01:00:05,360
Speaker 1: world doesn't work that way anyway.

992
01:00:05,520 --> 01:00:07,000
Speaker 3: I hope it's the last time I have to do it.

993
01:00:07,800 --> 01:00:09,720
Speaker 2: But yeah, we got a couple of let's let's do

994
01:00:09,760 --> 01:00:12,200
Speaker 2: a couple of fun ones, right, Yes, we're having fun today.

995
01:00:13,600 --> 01:00:17,880
Speaker 10: Let's see favorite February outdoor activities. Do you guys have

996
01:00:17,960 --> 01:00:21,400
Speaker 10: anything specific before Turkey season gets gets going and the

997
01:00:21,920 --> 01:00:25,600
Speaker 10: transition period from Caleb Tucker ice fishing.

998
01:00:26,080 --> 01:00:29,240
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's tough, but even that's.

999
01:00:29,040 --> 01:00:31,400
Speaker 1: Just I haven't drilled a single hole through.

1000
01:00:31,480 --> 01:00:32,520
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1001
01:00:32,680 --> 01:00:37,040
Speaker 4: I think hard to get motivated this year for some reason.

1002
01:00:37,480 --> 01:00:41,720
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, I mean the skiing is freaking fantastic period

1003
01:00:42,320 --> 01:00:45,000
Speaker 1: coming up, just yeah.

1004
01:00:44,240 --> 01:00:45,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah.

1005
01:00:45,120 --> 01:00:46,840
Speaker 4: I like shooting guns a lot this time of year.

1006
01:00:46,880 --> 01:00:47,040
Speaker 6: Two.

1007
01:00:47,720 --> 01:00:49,000
Speaker 3: Make sure everything's dialed in.

1008
01:00:50,040 --> 01:00:51,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, hard to find a spot to lay down.

1009
01:00:51,840 --> 01:00:53,560
Speaker 3: That's true, that's true.

1010
01:00:55,440 --> 01:00:58,080
Speaker 2: One more cal I know you're you're a frequenter, Seth,

1011
01:00:58,120 --> 01:01:02,040
Speaker 2: you are too. Jordan's going to Hawaii tomorrow. He's wondering

1012
01:01:02,080 --> 01:01:05,320
Speaker 2: which islands, Uh, where you guys on? I'm sure you

1013
01:01:05,440 --> 01:01:07,560
Speaker 2: visited multiple but do you have any sort of favorite islands,

1014
01:01:07,560 --> 01:01:10,280
Speaker 2: favorite spots on certain islands for certain activities.

1015
01:01:11,480 --> 01:01:14,560
Speaker 1: You know, the Big Island is is big. Yeah, so

1016
01:01:14,640 --> 01:01:19,800
Speaker 1: there's a lot of diversity. Every every island has has diversity.

1017
01:01:19,840 --> 01:01:24,600
Speaker 1: But you can get into all sorts of different stuff

1018
01:01:24,640 --> 01:01:29,560
Speaker 1: on the Big Island and I'll tell you, nobody's gonna

1019
01:01:29,560 --> 01:01:35,520
Speaker 1: stop you for shooting a goat. They've got they've got plenty.

1020
01:01:36,040 --> 01:01:38,520
Speaker 4: Big islands cool because you can go from like desert

1021
01:01:38,600 --> 01:01:43,880
Speaker 4: to rainforest to sweating your ass to freeze in your ass.

1022
01:01:43,960 --> 01:01:48,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, it's wild place, it is, it is, it's

1023
01:01:48,680 --> 01:01:51,240
Speaker 1: it's really cool. You know, did get into like the

1024
01:01:51,320 --> 01:01:54,680
Speaker 1: axis deer. You're gonna have to get over to Lanai

1025
01:01:55,600 --> 01:02:03,400
Speaker 1: or Maui, which super super awesome, and certainly love the

1026
01:02:03,440 --> 01:02:06,040
Speaker 1: people over there. So best best way to do it

1027
01:02:06,080 --> 01:02:09,080
Speaker 1: is get over there, explore and and and make new friends.

1028
01:02:10,760 --> 01:02:13,840
Speaker 3: Right on. Cool, That's that's all I've got right now.

1029
01:02:14,320 --> 01:02:15,120
Speaker 3: Let's keep it moving.

1030
01:02:17,040 --> 01:02:21,000
Speaker 1: Sounds good, okay, keeping the fun going.

1031
01:02:22,640 --> 01:02:32,800
Speaker 3: Oh wait, we're doing hot tip hot tip hop. What's that?

1032
01:02:32,800 --> 01:02:40,800
Speaker 6: That's all enjoying it.

1033
01:02:43,320 --> 01:02:44,960
Speaker 3: That's a great one, Phil, Thank you, man.

1034
01:02:45,040 --> 01:02:46,800
Speaker 2: I don't know, philm I gotta you know, I gotta

1035
01:02:46,840 --> 01:02:48,560
Speaker 2: do some more modern stuff, Brodie, I can't.

1036
01:02:48,600 --> 01:02:49,240
Speaker 3: I can't do that.

1037
01:02:49,400 --> 01:02:56,160
Speaker 1: In the seventies, I learned so much. I learned so much.

1038
01:02:56,440 --> 01:03:01,120
Speaker 1: Like part of me knows that that's a popular somewhere.

1039
01:03:02,000 --> 01:03:04,200
Speaker 5: There's no part of me that.

1040
01:03:03,640 --> 01:03:05,160
Speaker 3: It's got the stink on it.

1041
01:03:06,760 --> 01:03:11,200
Speaker 1: All right, So ahead of time, we asked you amazing

1042
01:03:11,280 --> 01:03:14,400
Speaker 1: folks listeners watching folks watching a home to send in

1043
01:03:14,440 --> 01:03:17,280
Speaker 1: a hot tip off to radio at themeaeater dot com.

1044
01:03:17,680 --> 01:03:20,200
Speaker 1: We have some molten hot tips sent into the inbox,

1045
01:03:20,240 --> 01:03:24,360
Speaker 1: but we painstakingly had narrowed down to just two submissions

1046
01:03:24,360 --> 01:03:27,160
Speaker 1: for this week's listener Hot tip off.

1047
01:03:29,160 --> 01:03:36,720
Speaker 2: Here we go, Brampton Byer, Welcome to another hot tip

1048
01:03:36,760 --> 01:03:39,000
Speaker 2: off coming to you from twenty below, Minnesota.

1049
01:03:39,120 --> 01:03:41,720
Speaker 11: No deer hunter should enter the woods without a roll

1050
01:03:41,760 --> 01:03:43,960
Speaker 11: of toilet paper. Not only is it great for those

1051
01:03:43,960 --> 01:03:46,760
Speaker 11: early morning gas station burritos, but you'll find no better

1052
01:03:46,840 --> 01:03:49,920
Speaker 11: tool for blood trailing than a simple role. As you go,

1053
01:03:50,440 --> 01:03:52,720
Speaker 11: mark your blood with a piece hanging on a tree branch,

1054
01:03:52,800 --> 01:03:54,640
Speaker 11: throw it on the ground wherever you can see it.

1055
01:03:54,760 --> 01:03:56,800
Speaker 11: If you lose track of that deer, you can always

1056
01:03:56,840 --> 01:03:58,680
Speaker 11: look back at your bread crumbs to see their direction

1057
01:03:58,720 --> 01:04:01,320
Speaker 11: of travel. Not only is it's highly visible, but it's

1058
01:04:01,360 --> 01:04:03,880
Speaker 11: fio and agreeable. It'll be gone on the next rainstorm

1059
01:04:03,880 --> 01:04:05,440
Speaker 11: and you never have to go back and pick it up.

1060
01:04:06,120 --> 01:04:08,120
Speaker 11: You so toilet paper to help you find your next year.

1061
01:04:10,240 --> 01:04:14,600
Speaker 6: Richard Chaikowski.

1062
01:04:15,160 --> 01:04:17,680
Speaker 12: Welcome to another hot tip off. My name is Richard,

1063
01:04:17,720 --> 01:04:19,880
Speaker 12: coming at you with this week's hot tip. If you

1064
01:04:20,000 --> 01:04:22,440
Speaker 12: ever spent any amount of time outdoors in the cold,

1065
01:04:22,720 --> 01:04:24,960
Speaker 12: you know keeping the feet warm is always a struggle.

1066
01:04:25,200 --> 01:04:27,360
Speaker 12: I was a dog sled guy for four years and

1067
01:04:27,480 --> 01:04:29,720
Speaker 12: keeping the toes warm was always a battle. So a

1068
01:04:29,800 --> 01:04:32,320
Speaker 12: friend taught me this. Take a little bit of cayenne

1069
01:04:32,360 --> 01:04:35,840
Speaker 12: pepper and you're just gonna sprinkle some on your toes

1070
01:04:36,120 --> 01:04:38,680
Speaker 12: and then your socks. This is gonna act as a

1071
01:04:38,760 --> 01:04:41,880
Speaker 12: vaso dilator and it's gonna keep your feet warm all day.

1072
01:04:42,160 --> 01:04:45,120
Speaker 12: This stuff works pretty much until you wash it off.

1073
01:04:45,440 --> 01:04:47,280
Speaker 12: I'm not a fan of how toe warmers feeling. My

1074
01:04:47,280 --> 01:04:50,000
Speaker 12: boots never got into the heated socks and all that jazz.

1075
01:04:50,520 --> 01:04:52,880
Speaker 12: So this stuff is an awesome, cheap alternative to keep

1076
01:04:52,920 --> 01:04:55,640
Speaker 12: the feet warm. This whole jar cost me four dollars

1077
01:04:55,920 --> 01:04:58,280
Speaker 12: your first time using it. Don't go dumping a whole

1078
01:04:58,360 --> 01:05:01,360
Speaker 12: jar of cayenne on your feet. Just sprinkle a little bit,

1079
01:05:01,520 --> 01:05:03,480
Speaker 12: see how it works for you and go from there.

1080
01:05:04,080 --> 01:05:06,480
Speaker 12: But try this out, get out there and enjoy toasty

1081
01:05:06,520 --> 01:05:07,560
Speaker 12: tolls all year long.

1082
01:05:08,920 --> 01:05:12,960
Speaker 1: All right, all right, So here's the fun part. We

1083
01:05:13,920 --> 01:05:17,080
Speaker 1: are going to vote on who won the hot tip off.

1084
01:05:17,080 --> 01:05:26,000
Speaker 1: The winner is gonna get this mule tree cell cam Seth.

1085
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Speaker 1: You got a lot of experience with stuff like this.

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01:05:27,720 --> 01:05:29,040
Speaker 1: What are your thoughts here.

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01:05:29,480 --> 01:05:30,760
Speaker 3: With the moultries?

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01:05:30,920 --> 01:05:34,680
Speaker 4: Yeah, oh they're sweet. I don't use them a whole lot,

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01:05:34,720 --> 01:05:38,520
Speaker 4: But I liked, like we I've went up in Alaska

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01:05:38,720 --> 01:05:40,160
Speaker 4: just looking over things at the shack.

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01:05:40,480 --> 01:05:43,920
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, so you're you're like human surveillance plus anything

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01:05:43,920 --> 01:05:44,760
Speaker 1: in a.

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01:05:44,720 --> 01:05:46,520
Speaker 4: Lot of deer on there, and it's just cool to

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01:05:46,520 --> 01:05:49,880
Speaker 4: see what's going on up there, like when I'm not.

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01:05:50,160 --> 01:05:57,840
Speaker 1: Yeah right, love it. Hot commodity. So boys, we're going

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01:05:57,920 --> 01:06:01,680
Speaker 1: Cayenne pepper or TP the kind they're kind of related,

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01:06:01,680 --> 01:06:02,440
Speaker 1: which is interesting.

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Speaker 4: Also, I couldn't tell if Richard was like messing with

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01:06:05,560 --> 01:06:07,080
Speaker 4: us or if that's like a legit, he's not.

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01:06:07,360 --> 01:06:09,800
Speaker 1: He threw in vasal dilator, Yeah.

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01:06:09,600 --> 01:06:12,880
Speaker 5: I have leg I heard about it before, but I

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Speaker 5: had forgotten about it.

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Speaker 4: I'm gonna go, Well, if that's the case, I'm gonna

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01:06:16,440 --> 01:06:19,240
Speaker 4: go with Richard because my feet freeze all the time.

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01:06:20,000 --> 01:06:20,920
Speaker 3: I struggle with it.

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01:06:21,000 --> 01:06:24,120
Speaker 5: I'm going with Richard too, because even if it doesn't

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01:06:24,200 --> 01:06:26,480
Speaker 5: keep your feet wet, you got some seasoning for your

1108
01:06:26,520 --> 01:06:28,439
Speaker 5: meat when you kill something in your back.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's not the same could be said for the TP,

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01:06:32,040 --> 01:06:35,920
Speaker 1: Like it's not. Even if your primary focus is blood trailing,

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01:06:36,360 --> 01:06:38,520
Speaker 1: it's good to have it in there, m hm, no

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01:06:38,600 --> 01:06:39,080
Speaker 1: matter what.

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Speaker 5: But I think Brandon's is great I was just the

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01:06:41,280 --> 01:06:43,280
Speaker 5: whole time, I was thinking, what if it's real snowy

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01:06:43,360 --> 01:06:46,480
Speaker 5: out you can't see that thing? Mm hmm yeah, but

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01:06:46,560 --> 01:06:47,880
Speaker 5: then you'd be able to see the blood in the

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01:06:47,880 --> 01:06:48,800
Speaker 5: snow anyway.

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Speaker 3: I guess eh, there you are. You know I'm sticking

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Speaker 3: with Richard.

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Speaker 1: All right, Richard, congratulations, you edge two real tree mobile

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01:07:00,280 --> 01:07:03,840
Speaker 1: cell cam here. Congrats Seth Morris approved.

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01:07:04,480 --> 01:07:07,960
Speaker 4: Yeah, your fun with it, all right, gang.

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Speaker 1: So at our last interview of the day, Bruce, it's

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01:07:10,960 --> 01:07:14,000
Speaker 1: been a long time since you logged on. I'm sure

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Speaker 1: I appreciate your patience. Hopefully you don't think that this

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01:07:19,080 --> 01:07:24,000
Speaker 1: is some kind of cockamami show that has no professionalism

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01:07:24,320 --> 01:07:24,600
Speaker 1: to it.

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Speaker 13: I think you guys are doing fine, in fact, enjoying

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01:07:29,840 --> 01:07:34,960
Speaker 13: the process here the first time with you at least.

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01:07:35,000 --> 01:07:38,720
Speaker 13: But yeah, looking forward to a visit awesome.

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Speaker 1: What is Floating Island International?

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Speaker 6: We?

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Speaker 13: First of all, we're dased here in Montana outside of

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Speaker 13: Billings on a place called Shepherd on the Yellowstone and

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01:07:53,640 --> 01:08:00,000
Speaker 13: go Phillies. We're an invention company. We focus around environmental

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01:08:00,160 --> 01:08:05,960
Speaker 13: service product technology, including a floating island called the Biohaven.

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01:08:06,800 --> 01:08:10,200
Speaker 13: So that's been our primary business since two thousand and

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Speaker 13: five today there's maybe twelve thousand islands all over the world.

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Speaker 1: Well, that sounds like an entire podcast on its own,

1140
01:08:20,080 --> 01:08:24,120
Speaker 1: so I'm going to rain myself back in here. You

1141
01:08:25,000 --> 01:08:26,800
Speaker 1: how did this work? Did you get in contact with

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01:08:26,880 --> 01:08:31,480
Speaker 1: us over the methane ice house explosion?

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01:08:33,479 --> 01:08:35,639
Speaker 6: I did. I read that article and.

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Speaker 13: It touched me real directly, because for the last six

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01:08:42,920 --> 01:08:48,040
Speaker 13: years we've been researching aquatic methane and today we have

1146
01:08:48,320 --> 01:08:53,040
Speaker 13: developed a data compendium. If anybody out there wants it,

1147
01:08:53,240 --> 01:08:57,519
Speaker 13: would like to do background on this topic, just send

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Speaker 13: me an email info at Floating Island National dot com

1149
01:09:02,040 --> 01:09:03,160
Speaker 13: and I'll provide it.

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Speaker 6: The bottom line here.

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01:09:05,280 --> 01:09:09,599
Speaker 13: Is that if you remember back what thirty forty years ago,

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01:09:10,160 --> 01:09:17,000
Speaker 13: harmphology blooms were a rare thing. Water was in reasonable shape,

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01:09:17,080 --> 01:09:21,439
Speaker 13: although I think Cuyahoga River catching on fire stuff like

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01:09:21,520 --> 01:09:28,120
Speaker 13: that still happened. But since then we've had this incredible,

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01:09:28,200 --> 01:09:33,719
Speaker 13: incredible increase in harmphlogy blooms and other forms of aquatic

1156
01:09:33,800 --> 01:09:40,600
Speaker 13: vegetation that can grow explosively, mostly connected with fertilizer agriculture.

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01:09:41,800 --> 01:09:43,760
Speaker 6: Even but today even healthy.

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Speaker 13: Lakes are experiencing some of these harmphology blooms, and that

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Speaker 13: organic material when it does ultimately die subtled into the

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01:09:52,160 --> 01:09:57,280
Speaker 13: bottom becomes sledge. No oxygen in the sledge. That's where

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Speaker 13: methane occurs.

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Speaker 5: And just real quick, Bruce, what you're talking about is

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Speaker 5: like agricultural runoff into bodies of water that bring like

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Speaker 5: a load of nutrients that then create a massive explosion

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01:10:15,600 --> 01:10:18,080
Speaker 5: in a plant growth in plant growth.

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Speaker 13: Yeah, anything organic nice that ultimately results in sludge build

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01:10:26,400 --> 01:10:29,880
Speaker 13: up on the bottom of a waterway. And typically if

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Speaker 13: this occurs over in a deep water setting, it's even

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Speaker 13: more likely to result in methane. The you know, you're

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Speaker 13: looking at here a scene of a floating island right

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01:10:42,560 --> 01:10:46,400
Speaker 13: here at Shepherd, actually on our research reservoir called fish

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Speaker 13: Fry Lake. But in that instance, the island is about

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01:10:53,200 --> 01:10:56,240
Speaker 13: three feet thick. We walk on it, we work on it.

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01:10:57,320 --> 01:11:01,040
Speaker 13: We we rigidified the top of that island, so plants

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01:11:01,280 --> 01:11:04,920
Speaker 13: aren't happening there. But if you look, you'll see a

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01:11:05,240 --> 01:11:09,719
Speaker 13: native form of fresh water sponge that did colonize the island.

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Speaker 13: It's I didn't even know we had fresh water a

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Speaker 13: form of sponge here in Montana, but we do. And

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01:11:18,680 --> 01:11:22,599
Speaker 13: it's a filter feeder. It's helping clarify the water. Of course,

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Speaker 13: the fish love it, they love the shade all that.

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Speaker 1: Boy, let's just get my mind into a totally different

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01:11:29,600 --> 01:11:35,719
Speaker 1: frame right now. This is awesome stuff. So in your

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01:11:35,960 --> 01:11:41,720
Speaker 1: interpretation like what happened that that day on the on

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Speaker 1: the lake.

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Speaker 13: Well, you know, well I can't be one hundred percent.

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01:11:48,400 --> 01:11:54,519
Speaker 13: There's other potential explanations. But from what I understand is

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01:11:54,560 --> 01:11:57,720
Speaker 13: that there was a surge in organic material in the

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01:11:57,760 --> 01:12:01,559
Speaker 13: form of leaves that blew into the lake, and they

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Speaker 13: may have been the ultimate organic material that cycled into methane.

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01:12:07,560 --> 01:12:11,080
Speaker 13: But the with a lid of ice over the lake,

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01:12:11,800 --> 01:12:15,759
Speaker 13: that methane is it ebulates up in bubble form.

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01:12:16,520 --> 01:12:18,080
Speaker 6: It can collect under the ice.

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Speaker 13: So if you open a hole in that in the

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01:12:20,520 --> 01:12:25,280
Speaker 13: wrong spot, you can have a flume of methane.

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Speaker 6: Ebulating up through the ice.

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01:12:27,760 --> 01:12:30,960
Speaker 13: And if you're in a contained setting like an ice hut,

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Speaker 13: and there's any kind of ignition source, all you have

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Speaker 13: to be is a half of one percent methane in

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Speaker 13: the atmosphere five thousand ppm you know, technically is five

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Speaker 13: thousand parts per million to flash, And that may have

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Speaker 13: been what happened there. I do know this that this

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Speaker 13: phenomenon of methane associated with aquatic sources is the single

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01:12:58,360 --> 01:13:02,800
Speaker 13: largest source of methane occurring on the planet. Half again,

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01:13:02,960 --> 01:13:05,719
Speaker 13: more methane comes off of water, then comes from oil

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01:13:05,720 --> 01:13:06,200
Speaker 13: and gas.

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Speaker 6: Hey both?

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Speaker 3: Uh what.

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01:13:13,840 --> 01:13:17,920
Speaker 5: Like as far as ice fisherman goes like, what kind

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01:13:17,960 --> 01:13:22,200
Speaker 5: of lake body of water is something like this more

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Speaker 5: likely to happen? Like I'm assuming like a large body

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Speaker 5: of water with with clear water, rocky bottom, like probably

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01:13:33,200 --> 01:13:35,519
Speaker 5: not as big of a risk.

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01:13:37,720 --> 01:13:39,200
Speaker 6: I think you're you're right on.

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01:13:40,600 --> 01:13:43,479
Speaker 13: If you you know, high mountain lake or someplace as

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01:13:43,520 --> 01:13:48,240
Speaker 13: far removed from nutrient loading, you know, it would be

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01:13:48,600 --> 01:13:53,400
Speaker 13: relatively safe. You can still have, under unusual circumstances a build.

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01:13:53,200 --> 01:13:56,000
Speaker 6: Up, but a build up of methane.

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01:13:56,640 --> 01:14:02,880
Speaker 13: But the point is that in a eutrophic or hypereutrophic

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01:14:02,960 --> 01:14:05,479
Speaker 13: water body, that's where you're going to have a lot

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01:14:05,560 --> 01:14:09,439
Speaker 13: more of that organic build up that results in thick

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01:14:09,520 --> 01:14:12,400
Speaker 13: layers of sludge. Like we have a reservoir here not

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01:14:12,800 --> 01:14:17,280
Speaker 13: far from us where sludge deposition is over eighty feet deep.

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Speaker 13: That will be a methane factory.

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01:14:20,560 --> 01:14:23,519
Speaker 5: That's that Like that when you get that real black,

1225
01:14:23,680 --> 01:14:26,920
Speaker 5: smelly mud on the bottom of a pond, or whatever,

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01:14:27,040 --> 01:14:28,760
Speaker 5: that's a problem.

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Speaker 6: Great point.

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Speaker 13: Methane is colorless and odorless, but it's usually accompanied by

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01:14:37,520 --> 01:14:42,880
Speaker 13: hydrogen sulfide, which is the deep swamp biogas that you

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01:14:43,000 --> 01:14:46,080
Speaker 13: most of us have experienced at some point walking in

1231
01:14:46,120 --> 01:14:47,160
Speaker 13: the muck or whatever.

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01:14:48,400 --> 01:14:51,320
Speaker 6: The So if you smell that, be alert.

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Speaker 13: Yeah, you might very well be in a situation where

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01:14:54,479 --> 01:14:55,799
Speaker 13: lots of methane is occurring.

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Speaker 4: So, Bruce, if I was to punch a hole in

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01:14:59,880 --> 01:15:03,760
Speaker 4: the in a lake somewhere where this could happen. Other

1237
01:15:03,800 --> 01:15:07,799
Speaker 4: than like the smell, is there anything else that could

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01:15:08,120 --> 01:15:12,240
Speaker 4: you know, show signs that there could be methane under

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01:15:12,240 --> 01:15:13,760
Speaker 4: the ice? Do you have a cigarette in your mouth?

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01:15:14,320 --> 01:15:14,479
Speaker 6: No?

1241
01:15:14,520 --> 01:15:17,519
Speaker 4: Cigarette, okay, but I'm getting ready to light my little

1242
01:15:17,720 --> 01:15:18,240
Speaker 4: buddy eater.

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01:15:19,760 --> 01:15:22,599
Speaker 13: Well, start by looking at the ice. If you see

1244
01:15:22,840 --> 01:15:28,439
Speaker 13: bubbles in it, big bubbles especially, then be alert to

1245
01:15:28,479 --> 01:15:31,080
Speaker 13: the fact that they could be that could be methane.

1246
01:15:31,200 --> 01:15:32,040
Speaker 6: Yeah.

1247
01:15:32,080 --> 01:15:36,200
Speaker 13: But and if the ice is murky and cloudy and

1248
01:15:36,240 --> 01:15:41,160
Speaker 13: you can't see through it, that's an indication that light

1249
01:15:41,360 --> 01:15:45,519
Speaker 13: isn't making its way through the ice. This methane only

1250
01:15:45,560 --> 01:15:52,720
Speaker 13: occurs under in the absence of oxygen. So if you've

1251
01:15:52,760 --> 01:15:56,320
Speaker 13: got if you're you know, just drilled the hole over

1252
01:15:56,360 --> 01:15:59,519
Speaker 13: a deep point in the lake and you've got a

1253
01:15:59,560 --> 01:16:05,640
Speaker 13: fish fire. If you can identify fish on the bottom,

1254
01:16:06,200 --> 01:16:10,479
Speaker 13: right against the bottom, that's a good sign that you're

1255
01:16:10,520 --> 01:16:14,720
Speaker 13: not anaerobic, you're not without oxygen, you're not in a

1256
01:16:14,760 --> 01:16:21,120
Speaker 13: methane hot spot. In fact, today there's a sonar technology

1257
01:16:21,200 --> 01:16:28,840
Speaker 13: that can actually work through the ice, and that would

1258
01:16:28,880 --> 01:16:32,320
Speaker 13: be ideal. I mean looking and verifying whether you have

1259
01:16:32,439 --> 01:16:36,880
Speaker 13: fish on the bottom or not before you punch a hole. Yeah, yeah,

1260
01:16:38,439 --> 01:16:42,040
Speaker 13: that would be the way to go. But ultimately be

1261
01:16:42,240 --> 01:16:44,400
Speaker 13: smart about it. Look at the eyes. Let it tell

1262
01:16:44,439 --> 01:16:48,000
Speaker 13: you what's going on. You've got clear ice and maybe

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01:16:48,040 --> 01:16:49,240
Speaker 13: some bubbles, but not many.

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01:16:50,000 --> 01:16:51,400
Speaker 6: You're probably in good shape.

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01:16:52,320 --> 01:16:54,639
Speaker 13: The fact that light is getting through that ice means

1266
01:16:54,640 --> 01:16:58,439
Speaker 13: that there's still oxygen being generated by the green algae

1267
01:16:58,479 --> 01:17:02,479
Speaker 13: that occurs within the water, the green fidal plank. There

1268
01:17:02,560 --> 01:17:05,479
Speaker 13: are good forms of LG as well as negative bunch

1269
01:17:06,280 --> 01:17:07,560
Speaker 13: is the message.

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01:17:07,120 --> 01:17:12,840
Speaker 1: There, kind of like our political discussion. Bruce, thank you

1271
01:17:12,880 --> 01:17:15,800
Speaker 1: so much for being on. I'll let you know and

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01:17:15,800 --> 01:17:20,599
Speaker 1: and everybody else that, uh, there is a go fundme.

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01:17:24,600 --> 01:17:27,840
Speaker 1: Uh what is it? It's a give send go set

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01:17:27,920 --> 01:17:30,080
Speaker 1: up for the family of the recent ice fishing accident

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01:17:30,160 --> 01:17:34,920
Speaker 1: Vermont Joel Shepherd and his daughters Kaylee and Emily at

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01:17:35,040 --> 01:17:40,760
Speaker 1: Give Sendgo dot com forward slash Shepherd Family. If you

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01:17:40,800 --> 01:17:43,519
Speaker 1: got a couple of bucks to push their way that

1278
01:17:43,520 --> 01:17:48,200
Speaker 1: that'd be great. And then Bruce also, uh, my mom's

1279
01:17:48,280 --> 01:17:50,040
Speaker 1: just down the road from you out there in Shepherd.

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01:17:50,920 --> 01:17:53,640
Speaker 1: So yeah, of this spring, I'm gonna come pastry in

1281
01:17:53,680 --> 01:17:54,599
Speaker 1: and go take.

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01:17:57,320 --> 01:18:00,760
Speaker 13: I'll tell you what I had my brother in law

1283
01:18:00,760 --> 01:18:03,800
Speaker 13: who had never caught a fish. He was here last September.

1284
01:18:03,840 --> 01:18:07,400
Speaker 13: He's from England, and I took him fishing with this

1285
01:18:07,600 --> 01:18:11,040
Speaker 13: monster big surface lur and I thought, well, yeah, it

1286
01:18:11,040 --> 01:18:13,200
Speaker 13: should be fun. Anyway, he gets the flame this big

1287
01:18:13,240 --> 01:18:15,800
Speaker 13: playground and he caught two beasts between four and five

1288
01:18:15,840 --> 01:18:18,080
Speaker 13: pumps in the space of an hour and a half.

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01:18:22,240 --> 01:18:25,040
Speaker 1: But hey, thank you so much for being on Floating

1290
01:18:25,080 --> 01:18:29,439
Speaker 1: Island International. If you have any questions for Bruce and

1291
01:18:29,520 --> 01:18:33,120
Speaker 1: want to learn more, go to Floating Island International dot com.

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01:18:33,160 --> 01:18:33,519
Speaker 2: Correct.

1293
01:18:34,600 --> 01:18:37,719
Speaker 13: Yep, thank you guys, thank you.

1294
01:18:39,200 --> 01:18:40,080
Speaker 3: I love that.

1295
01:18:40,080 --> 01:18:40,759
Speaker 1: That's awesome.

1296
01:18:42,040 --> 01:18:44,760
Speaker 2: Phil you want to do another round of you know,

1297
01:18:44,920 --> 01:18:47,200
Speaker 2: we we have gotten a lot of questions like we

1298
01:18:47,280 --> 01:18:51,160
Speaker 2: did get one regarding the video game stream.

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01:18:51,200 --> 01:18:51,839
Speaker 3: It is happening.

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01:18:52,479 --> 01:18:54,360
Speaker 2: I just don't have I don't have a date yet

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01:18:54,360 --> 01:18:56,040
Speaker 2: because I want to make sure that's fun for people

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01:18:56,040 --> 01:18:58,240
Speaker 2: to watch, not just fun for me. So but they

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01:18:58,360 --> 01:19:00,679
Speaker 2: keep your eyes posted. It will have than this year

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01:19:00,720 --> 01:19:04,559
Speaker 2: at some point. But thanks, thanks for catching up. A

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01:19:04,560 --> 01:19:06,920
Speaker 2: lot of people say they're gonna try the cayenne pepper trick.

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01:19:07,439 --> 01:19:10,960
Speaker 3: Uh today? Yeah?

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01:19:11,080 --> 01:19:13,759
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, you should right right in before Seth dumps

1308
01:19:13,760 --> 01:19:14,879
Speaker 2: it on his on his feet.

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01:19:15,640 --> 01:19:16,040
Speaker 3: Oh yeah.

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01:19:16,080 --> 01:19:18,320
Speaker 2: There was a running joke about whose mustache is better,

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01:19:18,640 --> 01:19:21,840
Speaker 2: Seth's or cows. Do we have an in room consensus?

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01:19:22,960 --> 01:19:26,479
Speaker 1: Uh, cows is more seasoned. I think you're talking to

1313
01:19:26,520 --> 01:19:32,080
Speaker 1: two guys who probably don't care that much. Michael Seth

1314
01:19:32,200 --> 01:19:38,080
Speaker 1: is asking how trapping is going. Haven't been trapping. I

1315
01:19:38,200 --> 01:19:39,840
Speaker 1: like to do a lot of my trapping in the

1316
01:19:40,040 --> 01:19:44,840
Speaker 1: either the earlier parts of the winter or in the

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01:19:44,840 --> 01:19:46,320
Speaker 1: spring for beaver.

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01:19:46,680 --> 01:19:47,960
Speaker 3: Ye get going right now.

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01:19:48,200 --> 01:19:51,080
Speaker 4: Everything's just so frozen and covered in snow.

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01:19:51,080 --> 01:19:53,000
Speaker 1: It's just my hands hurt.

1321
01:19:53,120 --> 01:19:53,719
Speaker 3: Pine Martin.

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01:19:53,760 --> 01:19:55,400
Speaker 4: Trapping would be great right now if you had a

1323
01:19:55,439 --> 01:19:59,000
Speaker 4: snowmobile and you know, could get out there. But not

1324
01:19:59,080 --> 01:19:59,840
Speaker 4: doing much right now.

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01:20:00,400 --> 01:20:02,559
Speaker 2: Travis is also asking if you'll be back on the

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01:20:02,600 --> 01:20:04,800
Speaker 2: Montana Walleye Circuit anytime soon.

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01:20:06,439 --> 01:20:09,799
Speaker 4: I wish, I wish. If I get time this summer,

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01:20:09,840 --> 01:20:13,080
Speaker 4: I'll do some tournaments. But I just don't have I'm

1329
01:20:13,120 --> 01:20:15,320
Speaker 4: always gone, yeap, just gone too.

1330
01:20:15,200 --> 01:20:18,439
Speaker 1: Hard to get rid of them. Yeah, for sure, for sure.

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01:20:18,479 --> 01:20:21,559
Speaker 1: I got an update here if folks are interested in

1332
01:20:21,680 --> 01:20:28,320
Speaker 1: helping out some of our former federally employed stewards of

1333
01:20:28,360 --> 01:20:31,519
Speaker 1: the land. Old Doc Randall Williams sent me a go

1334
01:20:31,600 --> 01:20:41,120
Speaker 1: fundme for Rosalie, and Rosalie is was just recently laid off.

1335
01:20:41,160 --> 01:20:43,760
Speaker 1: She had just switched jobs in the forest Service, so

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01:20:43,800 --> 01:20:47,599
Speaker 1: she was in that probationary period even though she's been

1337
01:20:48,000 --> 01:20:50,439
Speaker 1: a forest service employee for a long time. But she's

1338
01:20:50,520 --> 01:20:56,879
Speaker 1: two months before her due date and just lost income

1339
01:20:57,400 --> 01:21:02,960
Speaker 1: as well as insurance. And I believe Corey and Brodie,

1340
01:21:02,960 --> 01:21:05,080
Speaker 1: you guys can probably talk about the importance of insurance

1341
01:21:05,120 --> 01:21:07,920
Speaker 1: when when mom's about to cave out.

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01:21:09,200 --> 01:21:14,799
Speaker 3: I wouldn't you needed not say that like insurance?

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01:21:17,520 --> 01:21:20,080
Speaker 5: Find another way to put that cal You've got a

1344
01:21:20,120 --> 01:21:21,040
Speaker 5: serious girlfriend.

1345
01:21:21,040 --> 01:21:23,520
Speaker 3: You need to take that thing seriously.

1346
01:21:28,200 --> 01:21:31,639
Speaker 1: So anyway, if you check out go fund me, there's

1347
01:21:31,640 --> 01:21:37,040
Speaker 1: a support Rosalie go fund me, and folks could could

1348
01:21:37,880 --> 01:21:40,400
Speaker 1: definitely benefit from a couple extra bucks on that one

1349
01:21:42,280 --> 01:21:48,679
Speaker 1: out side of that gang. Remember to come see us

1350
01:21:48,800 --> 01:21:51,680
Speaker 1: at pheasant Fest that's coming up here in March in

1351
01:21:51,720 --> 01:21:56,120
Speaker 1: Kansas City. That's the annual p f q F annual gathering.

1352
01:21:57,880 --> 01:22:01,840
Speaker 1: Always a really fantastic opportunity to get a bunch of

1353
01:22:01,880 --> 01:22:03,800
Speaker 1: people in the room and get just hit over the

1354
01:22:03,800 --> 01:22:09,280
Speaker 1: head with really good conservation work. I'm garn Darntea. There's

1355
01:22:09,320 --> 01:22:12,719
Speaker 1: gonna be a lot of NRCS farm bill talk during

1356
01:22:12,760 --> 01:22:18,120
Speaker 1: the pheasant Fest this year. That Friday, March fifth, I'm

1357
01:22:18,120 --> 01:22:22,680
Speaker 1: gonna be joining Kansas BHA out in De Soto, Kansas

1358
01:22:22,720 --> 01:22:25,320
Speaker 1: for just kind of a big open to the public

1359
01:22:25,400 --> 01:22:29,040
Speaker 1: round table, let you know about what BHA and Kansas

1360
01:22:29,120 --> 01:22:35,799
Speaker 1: BHA are working on. And then Sunday at Pheasant Fest,

1361
01:22:36,280 --> 01:22:41,280
Speaker 1: I'm joining Pheasants Forever plus the North American Grouse Partnership

1362
01:22:41,640 --> 01:22:46,800
Speaker 1: to talk about this incredibly awesome program regarding endangered species

1363
01:22:47,280 --> 01:22:53,200
Speaker 1: called the Lesser Prairie Chicken land Owner Alliance and Lesser

1364
01:22:53,200 --> 01:22:57,320
Speaker 1: Prairie Checking Man. Fantastic game bird that you know, the

1365
01:22:57,320 --> 01:22:59,760
Speaker 1: mountain men folks they used to eat, so many of

1366
01:22:59,800 --> 01:23:03,120
Speaker 1: them get sick of They get sick of them and

1367
01:23:03,160 --> 01:23:05,559
Speaker 1: now they're on the endangered species list and that happened

1368
01:23:05,560 --> 01:23:08,519
Speaker 1: on our watch. Lots we can be doing about that,

1369
01:23:08,600 --> 01:23:14,400
Speaker 1: and that goes into saving America's grass lands. Outro fellas,

1370
01:23:14,400 --> 01:23:17,559
Speaker 1: who I think we just need to hit it again, Like,

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01:23:17,640 --> 01:23:22,200
Speaker 1: if you're invested in your public lance that in absolutely

1372
01:23:22,240 --> 01:23:26,280
Speaker 1: no way puts you crossways with any administration. That's your

1373
01:23:26,360 --> 01:23:27,719
Speaker 1: right as an American citizen.

1374
01:23:29,000 --> 01:23:33,400
Speaker 5: Yeah, stop dwelling on whoops the results of election, and

1375
01:23:33,479 --> 01:23:36,360
Speaker 5: dwell on what needs to be dealt with now.

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01:23:36,520 --> 01:23:36,960
Speaker 3: That's right.

1377
01:23:37,040 --> 01:23:39,000
Speaker 4: Yeah, And there's a lot of folks out there like

1378
01:23:39,360 --> 01:23:43,880
Speaker 4: myself who like a lot of what the current administration

1379
01:23:44,040 --> 01:23:47,720
Speaker 4: is doing, but when it comes to their stance on

1380
01:23:47,960 --> 01:23:51,200
Speaker 4: federal lands, it's just like a a no go.

1381
01:23:51,400 --> 01:23:53,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, you get to say, hey, pump the brakes. Yeah,

1382
01:23:53,320 --> 01:23:55,479
Speaker 1: like what you're doing over here so they can keep

1383
01:23:55,520 --> 01:23:55,760
Speaker 1: it up.

1384
01:23:55,800 --> 01:23:58,280
Speaker 4: It's okay to like what they're doing, and it's okay

1385
01:23:58,280 --> 01:23:59,320
Speaker 4: to not like what they're doing.

1386
01:23:59,520 --> 01:24:01,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's just not okay to sit on your button

1387
01:24:02,000 --> 01:24:04,360
Speaker 1: do nothing if this stuff matters to you. If you

1388
01:24:04,439 --> 01:24:11,000
Speaker 1: do that, don't write in anymore. I hope you enjoyed

1389
01:24:11,000 --> 01:24:12,800
Speaker 1: the show this week. I know we covered a lot

1390
01:24:12,800 --> 01:24:16,479
Speaker 1: of heavy stuff, but we you know, we're right here

1391
01:24:16,479 --> 01:24:18,080
Speaker 1: with you. This stuff means a heck of a lot

1392
01:24:18,120 --> 01:24:19,760
Speaker 1: to us. I know it means a heck of a

1393
01:24:19,760 --> 01:24:22,080
Speaker 1: lot to you, which is why you watch these fishing

1394
01:24:22,120 --> 01:24:24,960
Speaker 1: and hunting oriented things. So we're gonna stay on top

1395
01:24:25,000 --> 01:24:28,000
Speaker 1: of it as much as we can. Please stay in

1396
01:24:28,040 --> 01:24:32,840
Speaker 1: touch and we will too. So thanks again. We'll talk

1397
01:24:32,840 --> 01:24:33,519
Speaker 1: to you next week.