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Speaker 1: Straining live from the Dallas Cowboys World Headquarters at the
Speaker 1: Star in Fris Joe. Here are Mickey Spagnola, Brian Brons,
Speaker 1: Rob Phillips and Bill Jones. What's Up Cowboys Nation? Welcome
Speaker 1: into Talking Cowboys Offseason Edition almost Rookie Minicamp Edition. Rob
Speaker 1: Phillips in the host chair for Bill Jones. He's a
Speaker 1: little busy tonight at a Game seven, covering a game
Speaker 1: seven up in Saint Louis Stars and Blues. You know,
Speaker 1: sometimes he gets pulled away from this football stuff and
Speaker 1: he gets to do that by the way he gets
Speaker 1: to get to I don't yeah, uh privilege. He didn't
Speaker 1: seem too excited about doing it. I'd love to go
Speaker 1: see a game seven like that. I've seen a couple
Speaker 1: of games sevens in my day. I guess he wants
Speaker 1: to hang with us. Yeah, maybe that's what it is. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he just doesn't like hockey, and I don't think how
Speaker 1: could you not like it? How can you not love
Speaker 1: a game seven? Right? Mickey's been to a few games
Speaker 1: this year. Mickey Spagnola back from vacation. A short one.
Speaker 1: Welcome back, long weekend, Long weekend. What was that? Is
Speaker 1: that a new drop? Thank you? Ken Kid Garrison next
Speaker 1: door inside the new garrison dropping those drops and Brian
Speaker 1: brought us across the table from me as always, welcome guys.
Speaker 1: We got a big show planned for you. We're in
Speaker 1: this purgatory right now, this middle ground of end of
Speaker 1: draft and trying to get to some on the field stuff. Sure,
Speaker 1: we're almost there. Good luck this weekend. I know right,
Speaker 1: we're not. We're not going to get an actual chick
Speaker 1: a few hands. It's more you're going to see some
Speaker 1: football problem exactly. We're gonna watch some meetings on the
Speaker 1: field when the rookies get in here. I think they
Speaker 1: arrive Thursday, and they'll have a mini camp this weekend,
Speaker 1: Mick where meetings on Friday and Saturday. Yeah, pretty much.
Speaker 1: They did this last year, and you know, in the
Speaker 1: grand scheme of things, it's probably smart to have more
Speaker 1: orientation type style introduction for these guys. And if the
Speaker 1: weather reports are accurate, they'll probably be indoors. Yeah, good
Speaker 1: thing about having indoors. What do we live in Florida lately?
Speaker 1: What's the deal here with all the rain. It's good though,
Speaker 1: because in two months it won't rain a day exactly
Speaker 1: one hundred and three. You know, I think to me
Speaker 1: when you talk about the way they handle these things nowadays,
Speaker 1: I remember going back some of those Valley Ranch days
Speaker 1: when Garrett first kind of started doing this, and were
Speaker 1: there were some guys that just weren't ready for this. Yeah,
Speaker 1: they weren't ready for the constant go, go, go go.
Speaker 1: You know a lot of these kids they do the combine,
Speaker 1: they work out for their pro day, and then they
Speaker 1: get ready for the draft just doing nothing. And so now,
Speaker 1: I mean they're way way, way behind. If some of
Speaker 1: the guys that have been doing these captain's workouts and
Speaker 1: stuff like that, and they've been on a job interview,
Speaker 1: they have, and so I think it's really a smart
Speaker 1: play by by coach Garrett the front office to let
Speaker 1: these guys get some acclamation. Is that the right word?
Speaker 1: I hope I use the right word, but yeah, to
Speaker 1: come in at least you know understand, Okay, where's my locker,
Speaker 1: where's the training room? Where do I eat? Where's the
Speaker 1: meeting room? I mean, you know, these guys when they
Speaker 1: brought him in. Initially there was a lot of throw
Speaker 1: a lot at him and see how they respond. And boy,
Speaker 1: I tell you what, I don't think the I think
Speaker 1: the return on that investment wasn't very good. And I
Speaker 1: think that's where they realized their fault and like, Okay,
Speaker 1: we need to figure this out a better path and
Speaker 1: allow some of these kids to have felt I felt
Speaker 1: like when camp started last year, correct me if I'm wrong.
Speaker 1: You know, the rookie to be better suited for how
Speaker 1: things were going to be. They were able to work
Speaker 1: out beforehand, you know gets, you know, try and catch
Speaker 1: up a little bit and then go about their job
Speaker 1: and trying to make this football team. So I applaud
Speaker 1: them for doing it this way. If I was sitting
Speaker 1: in that chair, I would be the first guy saying, hey,
Speaker 1: well let's think about what we're doing here. Boys. It's
Speaker 1: probably twenty years too late. The way they used to
Speaker 1: work them out. You think about it, and it used
Speaker 1: to be you got drafted Thursday, Friday, Saturday, and by
Speaker 1: Thursday you were here yea, and Friday you were going
Speaker 1: through a full football workout. Friday, Saturday Sunday, no pads.
Speaker 1: You put a helmet on, and guys were getting hurt
Speaker 1: and all of a sudden, oh, they're not ready for
Speaker 1: training camp. And the story of the day on Friday
Speaker 1: would be after they ran them. Okay, who got sick?
Speaker 1: Ban Yeah, Jess Bryant got says Bryant got sick. He's
Speaker 1: not in shape. Well, yeah, surprise, because a lot of
Speaker 1: times there's also guys you draft from northern climate come
Speaker 1: down here and it's hot and it's ninety's. They don't
Speaker 1: have enough bodies to run the drills, that's the thing.
Speaker 1: And then you got coaches who haven't haven't coached anything
Speaker 1: since well this staff since the playoffs, So you get
Speaker 1: coaches that are anxious to be on the field and hustle, hustle, hustle. Move,
Speaker 1: let's faster, faster, move, you know, and then now you know, yeah,
Speaker 1: you're evaluating. But man, its just it was really I
Speaker 1: think it's set the kids back. I think it. You know,
Speaker 1: if you again get them acclimated to what you want
Speaker 1: them to do, if you want to play with the
Speaker 1: tempo and practice, Okay, this is what we're gonna do.
Speaker 1: These are the drills we're gonna do. At least when
Speaker 1: the when the veteran guys come on board. They won't
Speaker 1: be just totally out of place. They'll be able to
Speaker 1: kind of, you know, follow Jason Witton, or follow you know,
Speaker 1: Travis Frederick, or follow Ezekiel Elliott. You know, those the
Speaker 1: things that will help these kids to kind of have
Speaker 1: an understanding what the expectations are for him without being behind.
Speaker 1: You don't want to get a kid hurt in one
Speaker 1: of these three day practices and all of a sudden
Speaker 1: he doesn't he's not able to work out for six
Speaker 1: weeks because of a hamstring injury, right you know, And
Speaker 1: we know how cautious these guys can be in rightfully, so,
Speaker 1: so give these kids a chance to put their best
Speaker 1: foot forward. I think the last couple of years that
Speaker 1: they've done this, we've seen that be the kicks. Plus,
Speaker 1: they didn't have enough to play football anyway, so you
Speaker 1: had to bring it on a bunch of scrappies to
Speaker 1: get on workouts to have enough to have eleven on eleven. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's the other thing about this. They don't they won't
Speaker 1: bring in tryout guys here. They'll bring in their class
Speaker 1: right rookie free agents that they've agreed to terms with
Speaker 1: will sign and then their draft class and correct me
Speaker 1: if I'm wrong. They used to have this camp and
Speaker 1: then guys, the rookies would have to go back and
Speaker 1: then come back here. I think they be here till
Speaker 1: May fifteenth. So now they can have this camp stick around.
Speaker 1: They get the foundation for really also the strength and
Speaker 1: conditioning program, how they go about that right, and then
Speaker 1: like you said, brian Ota start up in a couple
Speaker 1: of weeks and the terns will be you know. And
Speaker 1: the other thing is is those guys didn't know how
Speaker 1: to practice without pads on, so they played like they
Speaker 1: had pads on, and they started getting hurt. Guys are
Speaker 1: spraying their shoulders because they're diving for balls, or they're
Speaker 1: getting going up and contesting passes falling to the ground.
Speaker 1: The trainers hated it absolutely, and even the OTAs are
Speaker 1: kind of sketchy sometimes too, with the contact that involves.
Speaker 1: You know, we watched last week two weeks ago, the
Speaker 1: touch football or flag football whatever tournament they had out here.
Speaker 1: Those guys were wearing helmets. Now, yeah, that's sort of
Speaker 1: helmets kind of a new thing, like soft helmets, like
Speaker 1: water polo helmets. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I mean yeah, because
Speaker 1: you're gonna run into each other. It's gonna happen. So, yeah,
Speaker 1: this is the smartest thing they've ever done. Basically have
Speaker 1: meetings on the field and do walkthroughs. It's a good
Speaker 1: group of guys. You know, we had a show since
Speaker 1: they've announced the group of guys, the undrafted guys. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and you if you got to look at the whole
Speaker 1: thing too, not just the class, exactly the guys that
Speaker 1: they're going to bring in here off the street. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I was really impressing on Dallas Cowboys dot com. I've
Speaker 1: been writing reports about these kids that were undrafted, and
Speaker 1: I you know, there's gonna be some very competitive guys.
Speaker 1: Are not only guys that are gonna try and get
Speaker 1: roster spots, but those practice squad spots are very competitive too,
Speaker 1: because you have guys that are currently on the roster
Speaker 1: that still have practice squad eligibility. Ken one of these
Speaker 1: you know, undrafted free agents make a roster, make the
Speaker 1: fifty three. We've seen that happen before here. It's something
Speaker 1: quite common. But you also with those practice squad spots
Speaker 1: are very very valuable as well. So not only you're
Speaker 1: playing for a couple of different things, but you're also
Speaker 1: potentially playing for another job somewhere else, and hopefully you
Speaker 1: keep the right guys. When it's all that said and
Speaker 1: done well. Stephen Jones said it after the draft guys
Speaker 1: that this might be one of the most competitive camps
Speaker 1: he's seen in a lot of years. And when you
Speaker 1: look at the roster, that's because they didn't have a
Speaker 1: ton of turnover in free agency this year. Now next year,
Speaker 1: they got a lot of decisions to make, and on
Speaker 1: top of that, they covered themselves in free agent and
Speaker 1: see and added some good young players. Right, there's a
Speaker 1: lot of competition at a lot of spots, and we're
Speaker 1: going to talk about that too, maybe naming some guys
Speaker 1: that they're to step up here. They took fifteen guys
Speaker 1: off their draft board. If you think about it, you know,
Speaker 1: and then that's as rare as it gets. I mean,
Speaker 1: I'm just trying to think of a number, and I
Speaker 1: know this is again I give Chris Hall. Will We
Speaker 1: had Will mcclan the Draft show last week, and I
Speaker 1: gave Chris Hall and that staff a lot of credit
Speaker 1: for how they set their board up. Will even offered
Speaker 1: a little bit of insight if you didn't get a
Speaker 1: chance to hear the Draft show with Will, and I
Speaker 1: encourage you to go back and listen to it. We
Speaker 1: have a podcasted for you that was great. But Will Thursday,
Speaker 1: Thank you. Will was talking about though, that they have
Speaker 1: a meeting before the draft, the actual draft, and sit
Speaker 1: down and give priority to their six and seventh round guys.
Speaker 1: So and that's a smart thing to do because even
Speaker 1: if you know, you say, okay, what order would we
Speaker 1: take these guys, say you have forty six seventh round
Speaker 1: guys on your board. As they start coming off, okay,
Speaker 1: maybe we'll down to ten, okay, and what priority would
Speaker 1: do we need to go after these guys? If those
Speaker 1: guys become available, and they they hammered that and that,
Speaker 1: and then good for them. I mean, they got a
Speaker 1: couple of guys off their board. And talking to some
Speaker 1: folks that you know, that had that had high grades,
Speaker 1: that had you know, fourth round grades, fifth round grades
Speaker 1: on their board, if you're pulling a guy, you're pulling
Speaker 1: players off your board that have fourth round grades. And
Speaker 1: I'm talking about Mitch Hyatt, the tackle from Clemson, and
Speaker 1: talking to people around the league, they seem to think
Speaker 1: that it was just a fact that maybe that Mitch
Speaker 1: Hyatt his first year at Clemson was what he was,
Speaker 1: and then his second year he was the same. The
Speaker 1: third year was kind of the same. He was an
Speaker 1: All American player, but there was never that strength, that
Speaker 1: strength improvement. I mean, I think there are a lot
Speaker 1: of people the guys I were talking about, said, hey,
Speaker 1: this guy deserved to be drafted, considering who was drafted
Speaker 1: by some of the other you know, they sue falls
Speaker 1: had a player drafted, no offense to that kid. But
Speaker 1: Mitch Hyatt is a better He's played in national championship games,
Speaker 1: big time football games. For them to out and get
Speaker 1: guys like that, you know, as as undrafted free agents
Speaker 1: that have fourth round grades on their board, those are
Speaker 1: huge gets. You can't you know, that's just that's just
Speaker 1: quality depth right there. What's on average, like from your experience,
Speaker 1: how many guys on your board if would you get
Speaker 1: in a draft, you might get three, you might get
Speaker 1: three or four at best. I mean to get to
Speaker 1: get to get seven out of that drafted, yeah, to
Speaker 1: get but to get the quality, to get the quality
Speaker 1: of what you're talking about, though, again, fourth fifth round guys,
Speaker 1: that that's kind of an unheard of thing. To have happened. Now, either,
Speaker 1: like I said on the Draft show and Will was
Speaker 1: sitting right there, either they're gonna be really right or
Speaker 1: they're gonna be really wrong. We'll see how it all
Speaker 1: plays out, but I'm going to take my chances. If
Speaker 1: I'm getting guys off my draft board to come in
Speaker 1: here as free agents to potentially making this football team
Speaker 1: or at least filling out my practice squad the right way.
Speaker 1: That means they dropped a lot. Yeah, the players, Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: you know. It was a funny draft in that way.
Speaker 1: It was funny. That was like there were some names
Speaker 1: that were taken at spots that I didn't feel like that,
Speaker 1: you know. And again this is they don't care, and
Speaker 1: I'm not I'm gonna stop. I'm talking about just not them.
Speaker 1: The league doesn't care what my board or Danes board
Speaker 1: or Jeff Cavanaugh's board looks like. But if you just
Speaker 1: evaluate where they're at, you know, and where guys were taking,
Speaker 1: you're sitting there thinking that might have been a little
Speaker 1: early for that guy. Oh that guy was drafted there,
Speaker 1: or oh this guy was not drafted, he was drafted late.
Speaker 1: Oh that guy wasn't drafted at all. So everybody. There
Speaker 1: was a there was a wide wide mix. I was
Speaker 1: talking to you, my friend Steve Sabo in Atlanta about this,
Speaker 1: and you know, he was telling me, he goes, you know,
Speaker 1: Atlanta took them a Garry Kid the offensive tackle from Washington,
Speaker 1: And I said, did you feel like that was a
Speaker 1: little early? And he said, did you see the way
Speaker 1: the board was falling? Did you see what was happening
Speaker 1: to the offensive tackles when it got to us or
Speaker 1: how you know, we said, we either got to go
Speaker 1: get an offensive tackle or we're not going to get
Speaker 1: one at all. And so teams were probably thinking that
Speaker 1: a little bit. And you know, maybe some guys weren't
Speaker 1: in exactly the wheelhouse of some of the teams, and
Speaker 1: that's why the Cowboys were able to get a guy
Speaker 1: like Brendon Knight, you know, and Derek Pooney. You know,
Speaker 1: these are a couple of guys that I kind of
Speaker 1: watched to go along with Mitch Hyatt, that I really
Speaker 1: really liked. You know, Larry Allen Junior nice. You know,
Speaker 1: Larry Allen Junior is winning right now. He you know,
Speaker 1: whether he makes his team or not, he's winning. He's
Speaker 1: a Harvard grad, you know, that he's winning and like
Speaker 1: doing Okay, he's doing all right, So you know, I mean,
Speaker 1: but those when you add guys like that, Chris Westery
Speaker 1: was a guy. You know, this is gonna be the
Speaker 1: big experiment of the six four corner. You know that
Speaker 1: this is the kid that's gonna look impressive when he's
Speaker 1: standing out there and Mickey's interviewing him, He's gonna have
Speaker 1: to get his little box to stand up and talk
Speaker 1: to him. You know that's gonna be That's gonna be
Speaker 1: impressive to watch this kid play, because that's the test case.
Speaker 1: Kenna six four, six four and a half corner have
Speaker 1: some success in the National Football League. You know that's
Speaker 1: that's that's gonna be the test And even the guys
Speaker 1: that they draft. I talked to Jordan Lewis Sunday night
Speaker 1: at Taste of the Cowboys benefiting North Texas Food Bank
Speaker 1: is a great event they do fifteen years in a row.
Speaker 1: He went to high school with Mike Webber, and I
Speaker 1: think the first thing Mike told him on the phone
Speaker 1: was I should have been drafted higher man. Yeah, you know,
Speaker 1: third round grade I think the Cowboys had. Yeah, he
Speaker 1: drops to the seventh they've already drafted a running back,
Speaker 1: but they're like, hey, that whole blinking light thing, right, Yeah,
Speaker 1: but he serves a different purpose than Tony Poller. He does,
Speaker 1: and so but I don't know, a lot of times
Speaker 1: it's priorities. Teams have priorities what they want and what
Speaker 1: they don't. And as Brian said, you know we talked
Speaker 1: last week about Tristan Hill. Yeah, it's like, well, you
Speaker 1: could have got him in the third round. Well maybe not. No,
Speaker 1: that that was something because there were no more, no more.
Speaker 1: And I said the Latin the next kind of three
Speaker 1: technique technique defensive tackle went like at one hundred and
Speaker 1: twenty five, right, it didn't stretch. So if somebody need
Speaker 1: one of those, they were gonna g them, right. Yeah.
Speaker 1: You weren't going to sit there and go, oh I
Speaker 1: can oh they get fancy. That was another thing that
Speaker 1: guys around the league were talking about, because asked him
Speaker 1: about Hill in the assessment, and the first thing that
Speaker 1: everybody talked about was, well, you know, the coaching change
Speaker 1: probably didn't do him any good. And you know, but
Speaker 1: he's a quality player, he's an outstanding player. He should
Speaker 1: have probably been drafted, you know, a lot higher than
Speaker 1: where he was and so you know, but that's that's
Speaker 1: where you had to go once you know, they made
Speaker 1: the determination and we'll look at this in the history
Speaker 1: of you know, the guys like Brian broad Us were saying, oh, safety, safety, safety, safety,
Speaker 1: We'll see all those safeties were on the board. But
Speaker 1: they they felt like though in talking to Will again
Speaker 1: on that show, that he felt like they had they
Speaker 1: had to make that pick. They felt like they did
Speaker 1: the leg work on Hill. They felt like that they
Speaker 1: know Rod Marinelli and his relationship with the player, him
Speaker 1: going to run the work out, his relationship with Scott
Speaker 1: Frost who's now in Nebraska, who was Tristan Hill's coach.
Speaker 1: You know, there's not a lot of information coming out
Speaker 1: of Central Florida now it's becoming a bad visit. And
Speaker 1: so you know, they they they had the right line
Speaker 1: of questioning for folks that they could get information for
Speaker 1: and that's why you make that pick. So you mentioned
Speaker 1: the food bank, Yeah, what was the big story, Rob, Well,
Speaker 1: you didn't catch that news because you were coming back
Speaker 1: what from it was not on my website when I
Speaker 1: pulled up Dallas Cowboys gun Well, there was no headline
Speaker 1: it was there, all right? Was there? The big story
Speaker 1: came out of it was never raised money for the
Speaker 1: food bank. They raised a lot of money for Did
Speaker 1: you eat? I did? I ate? A lot of different
Speaker 1: stations man made then it's like your wedding. I just
Speaker 1: kind of walked around and ate a lot of food.
Speaker 1: I never saw you at the buffet table and the
Speaker 1: bar and the and the bar too. North Texas Food
Speaker 1: bab was a great event. Uh, DeMarcus ware probably was
Speaker 1: the top story that came out of it. Now he
Speaker 1: was one of the hosts. Yes, okay. A lot of
Speaker 1: caberty cowboys people there. Yeah, yeah, a former players, a
Speaker 1: lot of alumni. Um. He wants to come back in
Speaker 1: a consultant role, and they talked with him about that
Speaker 1: about a year ago, year or two ago, and he
Speaker 1: wound up doing pretty much the same thing with Denver
Speaker 1: last year. Out of contract with Denver. Right out of
Speaker 1: contract with Denver. Would like to come in two three
Speaker 1: days a week and work with the pass rushers. Now,
Speaker 1: Jason Garrett said, we'd love him, We'd love to have him.
Speaker 1: It's got to kind of work out for both sides. Obviously,
Speaker 1: DeMarcus has things he's busy with two What do you
Speaker 1: think about that? That's my goal in life, to be
Speaker 1: a consultant, like a pigeon, come in and everything two
Speaker 1: or three days a week, not be held responsible for
Speaker 1: witness and loss. That's exactly your pigeon, come in, poop
Speaker 1: on everything, and fly away. He wanted to do it.
Speaker 1: He was sort of doing it in the offseason last
Speaker 1: year before Denver convinced him to go out there and
Speaker 1: do it. He's come by before. Yeah, yeah, I don't
Speaker 1: know if that bumps Charles Haley out of his consultant role.
Speaker 1: Charles does it for food. Yeah, Charles does the way
Speaker 1: back for food. Charles will coach for food. Yeah. I
Speaker 1: mean he can't hurt, right, it can't have another have
Speaker 1: another voice out there. Can I take the other approach? Then? Yeah?
Speaker 1: And I appreciate what you guys are saying. I'm not
Speaker 1: trying to be a negative guy here. I feel enough.
Speaker 1: It's an important year for this football team, especially for
Speaker 1: the coaches who their head coach is on a year deal.
Speaker 1: I understand DeMarcus. I appreciate him. He was one of
Speaker 1: the best players by far when my last draft. Thank god,
Speaker 1: Bill mall with it. Jerry Jones and Steven Jones and everybody,
Speaker 1: and Larry Lace and those guys all kind of pushed
Speaker 1: it that way because it worked out well. Might be
Speaker 1: a first ballot Hall of Famer, absolutely, and so I
Speaker 1: appreciate that about the player. If if DeMarcus Ware wants
Speaker 1: to coach, go be a coach. Don't be a consultant guy,
Speaker 1: you know, go be a coach. Go try and be
Speaker 1: a coach. If you know Jason Went and we've talked
Speaker 1: about him, go, you know he wants to go be
Speaker 1: a coach, go do that. If I was, if I
Speaker 1: was somebody on staff here, I appreciate what again, when
Speaker 1: he's trying to do but this, if you to pull
Speaker 1: this off, this has to be everybody on the right page.
Speaker 1: I think you have very capable coaches here with Rod
Speaker 1: Marinelli and Leon let you know, they're even working Andre
Speaker 1: Girard a little bit as a as a defensive line coach,
Speaker 1: which is really kind of neat for him because he
Speaker 1: thinks about it from an offensive lineman perspective to try
Speaker 1: and help these guys. So if it's if it's something
Speaker 1: where it's affecting the coaches who you have in your
Speaker 1: contract to do then then that that would bother me.
Speaker 1: I trust me, I appreciate the player, but if I think,
Speaker 1: if I'm on the coaching staff, I want to kind
Speaker 1: of keep things as tight and close and not have
Speaker 1: a bunch of different opinions, especially when you've got some
Speaker 1: young guys here that you might you know, you might
Speaker 1: want to say, Okay, we need to coach them this way.
Speaker 1: They don't need to hear something else, and you know,
Speaker 1: maybe the message. If the message is all the same,
Speaker 1: then it works. If the message turns into well, don't
Speaker 1: don't do that with your hands, don't do that with
Speaker 1: your feet. You know, position when you're coming off, take
Speaker 1: this step, you know that makes sure that everything is
Speaker 1: going to be aligned. Yeah, I just I just think
Speaker 1: this is a really important year for the coaching staff.
Speaker 1: If this was a new staff, maybe maybe you maybe
Speaker 1: you could pull this off. But a staff that's essentially
Speaker 1: needs to have a really good year. I don't need
Speaker 1: any outside consultants and distractions and anything else. It despite that,
Speaker 1: it's a Hall of Fame player given those kind of adjustments.
Speaker 1: So I didn't get to see Jason Garrett say what
Speaker 1: he said, but he said the right thing without saying
Speaker 1: anything right, like oh, yeah, we want to do this.
Speaker 1: He didn't say that right, It was like, yeah, you know,
Speaker 1: if both sides can work something out, and you know,
Speaker 1: he's a great player, and so I thought it was
Speaker 1: kind of a lukewarm response to the possibility. And if
Speaker 1: I think back to when Bill was here and he
Speaker 1: would bring in some of his former players, that was yeah,
Speaker 1: but those were giant players. Yeah they and they were
Speaker 1: giant players. But the assistant coaches, I don't know how
Speaker 1: well they took to that. That that's to me, that's
Speaker 1: you know I I would look at it this way, Rob,
Speaker 1: you know, and we're all we're all trying to be
Speaker 1: professional about what we're doing here. Yeah, I would take
Speaker 1: offense if some if they if they said, hey, we're
Speaker 1: bringing in somebody else to analyze film and do this
Speaker 1: just on a part time kind of a basis. I
Speaker 1: don't have a problem where if they said, okay, Brian
Speaker 1: Mickey is going to evaluate film with you full time,
Speaker 1: then I'm okay. But something that could be just as
Speaker 1: a consultant or part time, I really don't have I
Speaker 1: don't have time for that. I got to focus on
Speaker 1: I got to focus on sixteen games. I got to
Speaker 1: focus on the best record I can get out of this.
Speaker 1: I've got to focus on keeping my job, you know.
Speaker 1: And it doesn't work out, and say he's an assistant
Speaker 1: for or a consultant for the whole year, well he
Speaker 1: just again goes away, and these coaches who are now
Speaker 1: and there, they maybe lose their job. I wouldn't want
Speaker 1: somebody coming in to my territory and being and being
Speaker 1: just on a consultant basis. You hit on it, I
Speaker 1: think when you said, and he's welcome anytime, no question. Everybody.
Speaker 1: Tremendous person, tremendous player. But I'm just saying if you think,
Speaker 1: if you want to think about what the coaches mindset
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Speaker 1: We've we've gone up and down this roster in the offseason,
Speaker 1: and I said it last week. We know more or
Speaker 1: less what the bulk of this roster is going to
Speaker 1: look like in twenty nineteen. Now the draft is over,
Speaker 1: but let's talk about some guys that have something really
Speaker 1: on the line this year. I mean something, maybe some
Speaker 1: names below the radar that we're gonna be watching coming up.
Speaker 1: You got any Brian as as OTA's come up soon? Well,
Speaker 1: I think it's really going to be a really important
Speaker 1: There's a couple of guys that I've been saying. This
Speaker 1: guy's name a lot, just because I know what the
Speaker 1: coaches to feel about him, and I know he was
Speaker 1: on the practice squad and he gets opportunity to get reps.
Speaker 1: Is Donovan Olumba, you know, and he was on, like
Speaker 1: I say, he was on the practice squad the whole
Speaker 1: entire year. Here's a kid that's always around the facility,
Speaker 1: if you want to say, a guy that's always used
Speaker 1: the term and scouting a gym rat. He's always around.
Speaker 1: You always see him. He's you know, when where seems
Speaker 1: to be gone, he's hanging out. You know, he'll be
Speaker 1: hanging out with Chris Rochard eaton lunch, she a talking.
Speaker 1: He's always doing something around the facility. He's a corner
Speaker 1: it's got some link to him, He's got some coverability
Speaker 1: to him. Him and the Ward kid last year that
Speaker 1: they traded to Kansas City, they were going to kind
Speaker 1: of be the guys that the young corners that they
Speaker 1: were going to shelf and then see if they can
Speaker 1: get him, you know, get him to this year. So
Speaker 1: I'm really excited to see how he's going to play.
Speaker 1: A lot of talk about could the Cowboys with corners
Speaker 1: possibly contracts up the next two years, could they find somebody,
Speaker 1: you know, I mentioned Westery earlier from Kentucky as a
Speaker 1: guy that they signed. Well, here's Donovan Alumba again. Another
Speaker 1: whole year on the practice squad, got reps with the
Speaker 1: first defense at times, and so he might be one
Speaker 1: of those guys when we start putting on the pads
Speaker 1: out there in Oxnard and one on one coverages and stuff.
Speaker 1: Maybe he'll stand up and then get some preseason games
Speaker 1: and then find a way to make this football team
Speaker 1: on the fifty three man roster. I like it. I
Speaker 1: like it, Mick, you're making a list over there. I
Speaker 1: am who you got. It's a crowded field at the
Speaker 1: wide receiver position, sure is it is? If you look
Speaker 1: at what they added in the off season, and if
Speaker 1: you're on the fringe there, you better really step up,
Speaker 1: you know. And one of the guys they gave an
Speaker 1: opportunity to last year when he finally got healthy was
Speaker 1: Noah Brown. Right, So if you look at it, you
Speaker 1: have Cooper Gallup, Cob Tavon, Austin, Cedric Wilson is coming back.
Speaker 1: He spent the whole year on i R. So he's
Speaker 1: like a new guy. You have Lance Lenore, who they
Speaker 1: kind of put on the roster late and you know
Speaker 1: he was able to get in there. And then Noah Brown.
Speaker 1: So when you're looking at things, you know, does he
Speaker 1: fit in and he's gonna have to show. I would
Speaker 1: think that he's more than just a big receiver that
Speaker 1: you put in when you're blocked. You got to be
Speaker 1: productive in the passing game. So between Tavon, Lance Leanoor,
Speaker 1: and Brown, I think there's gonna be some significant competition
Speaker 1: out there with those guys. Bring up another night forget somebody, No,
Speaker 1: I think you're good on that. Kyle Quero, Yes, he
Speaker 1: was a safety at this time last year Northwestern. And
Speaker 1: it's funny because I once again had to watch Northwestern
Speaker 1: tape again this year for Nate Hall, the linebacker that
Speaker 1: they brought in from Northwestern. So it kind of reminded
Speaker 1: me of Kyle Quero. Here's another guy that was again
Speaker 1: practice squad the whole entire year and developed some strength developed.
Speaker 1: You know, he's he's naturally a big guy. He was
Speaker 1: a strong safety at Northwestern and then they moved him
Speaker 1: to linebacker. Talking to people during practices about him. He
Speaker 1: was one of those guys that caused caused Dak Prescott
Speaker 1: fits because Prescott we try and fit the ball into
Speaker 1: somebody underneath the way. And here's Kyle Quero driving on
Speaker 1: the ball, knocking it down intersect. I mean, you know,
Speaker 1: usually scout team guys aren't making plays. Well, nobody told
Speaker 1: Kyle Quero that he was making plays and that you know,
Speaker 1: it was like, you know, they're probably yelling at him.
Speaker 1: I'll get out, you know, don't do that, you know,
Speaker 1: And but I think that, you know, with the linebacker
Speaker 1: situation the way it is, Mickey breaking news last week
Speaker 1: about Sean Lee, which very well, you know that could happen,
Speaker 1: you know, but they're looking for a Sam linebacker. This
Speaker 1: guy's got some potential to be some Sam linebacker. Traits,
Speaker 1: and let's see if the special teams holds up. Let's
Speaker 1: see if he could take a guy like Joe Thomas
Speaker 1: and put him on the street. You know, he's gonna
Speaker 1: these young guys, these alumbas and people like Mickey's mentioned
Speaker 1: that some of these young guys are gonna have to
Speaker 1: probably put some veteran guys on the street who've had
Speaker 1: two or three, uh, you know, years already here and
Speaker 1: they're saying, no, what, let's go with a younger, cheaper,
Speaker 1: better guy, better player. And so these the names were
Speaker 1: talking about right now, those kinds of guys. And we
Speaker 1: mentioned the two running backs they drafted, and so where
Speaker 1: does Darius Jackson exactly? You know, and he got an opportunity,
Speaker 1: it was okay, I don't know if they were enthralled
Speaker 1: by it. He got to play a little bit in
Speaker 1: the regular season finale. Giants Yea and Jordan Chun spent
Speaker 1: the year on the practice squad. But you bring in
Speaker 1: two more running backs and now where did those guys
Speaker 1: fit in? So the offseason and early in training camps
Speaker 1: gonna be really important for a guy like that if
Speaker 1: he's gonna stick around and you know, make this he's
Speaker 1: gonna have to bump somebody else off. I got a
Speaker 1: guy Daniel Ross too, Yeah, defensive tackle. I mean they've
Speaker 1: added some they've added some bodies inside now and where
Speaker 1: it was Read and Ross the law firm, as you
Speaker 1: would say, robs the law firm of Reading Ross, those
Speaker 1: those two guys. I watched your show, by the way,
Speaker 1: that the day we sought the law firm of Jackson
Speaker 1: and Jackson. Yes, and so you know, but that's you know,
Speaker 1: when you have when you're bringing in bodies like that
Speaker 1: and quality bodies that we talked about earlier in the
Speaker 1: first segment where they're off their draft board, you know,
Speaker 1: cheaper help. You know, these guys like Ross and you
Speaker 1: know they're gonna have to figure out a way to
Speaker 1: you know, they've already you know with Read, they've already
Speaker 1: moved on from Reid. You know, Ross they brought back.
Speaker 1: Let's see if he can fact hold his spot, because
Speaker 1: if not, then you know they'll they'll probably move on.
Speaker 1: They just that that's just the competition is a lot
Speaker 1: better at that spot. That whole defensive line, Mickey, I
Speaker 1: think you counted it up. It's like sixteen guys uying
Speaker 1: counting the couple of guys that they're going to bring
Speaker 1: in as rookie free agents. Yeah, undrafted vying for. There's
Speaker 1: about eight spots they usually keep. Sure, we kept ten
Speaker 1: ten Yeah, last year they kept eight usually active. This
Speaker 1: might be the one day. Yeah, that's true. This might
Speaker 1: be the one year that I'm actually right about saying that.
Speaker 1: You know, when they get down to the cut, they
Speaker 1: always say, oh, it's a difficult cut, you know, and
Speaker 1: somebody's gonna play somewhere else. Yeah, but you know, teams
Speaker 1: lie to you. Yeah, they lie to you. I mean
Speaker 1: I could say it there like two weeks into training
Speaker 1: camp and say here here, here, gone, gone gone. You know,
Speaker 1: I can kind of figure things out because there's a
Speaker 1: lot of guys on that D line. You know we're
Speaker 1: gonna be here. This might be I'll see another position
Speaker 1: to keep an eye on that needs to step it up.
Speaker 1: Those two backup quarterbacks, Well that's where I was going. Okay,
Speaker 1: I'm sure Making and I were just talking away. No,
Speaker 1: I was gonna that was gonna be my Coney and
Speaker 1: I and let y'all go. Because the point to me,
Speaker 1: we keep talking all off season about running back and
Speaker 1: well what happens if something happens to Zeke. True, why
Speaker 1: aren't we talking about that at quarterback? I know, I
Speaker 1: know Dak looks indestructible. I know he's built like a
Speaker 1: middle linebacker. He hasn't missed a snap due to injury
Speaker 1: in three seasons, just like Zeke. We're all knocking on
Speaker 1: wood here, um. But there were some close calls last year,
Speaker 1: first Washing game, right where you got up on the sidelines.
Speaker 1: He took some hits last year. And uh, I don't
Speaker 1: know that we've seen a large sample size of Mike
Speaker 1: White and Cooper Rush to say where they are. We're
Speaker 1: gonna We're gonna find out. I think I think I've
Speaker 1: seen Cooper Rush. I've seen Cooper Rush be really good
Speaker 1: to make this team. Matter of fact, he drove Kellen
Speaker 1: Moore into coaching if you think about it. Yeah, he
Speaker 1: was one of the best best quarterbacks. I'm not just
Speaker 1: talking about the veteran rookie whatever. He was like one
Speaker 1: of the highest rating quarterbacks two years ago in the preseason,
Speaker 1: and then last year it's like they drafted Mike White
Speaker 1: and he spit the bit, you know. And I was
Speaker 1: expecting Mike White to come in and be more competitive
Speaker 1: and push and try and you know, get Cooper Rush
Speaker 1: to knock him out or put him on the third.
Speaker 1: You know, maybe maybe this might be one of those
Speaker 1: spots where we look at they say they don't have
Speaker 1: the luxury of maybe keeping a third quarterback this year.
Speaker 1: If if we're right about all this competition at defensive line,
Speaker 1: at line, at a wide receiver, you know, at tight end,
Speaker 1: are we're gonna be able to get able to keep
Speaker 1: all these guys? So you might not be you might
Speaker 1: not have the luxury of carrying that third quarterback. So
Speaker 1: this is an important year for Cooper Rush and Mike White.
Speaker 1: You know, Mike White needs to step up. He really does.
Speaker 1: He came in here and I was really just taking
Speaker 1: backs a strong word. I was just kind of disappointed
Speaker 1: because I thought he was a better player Western Kentucky.
Speaker 1: I thought, I'm like, oh, he's gonna come in here
Speaker 1: and beat Cooper Rush out. That's this is no brand.
Speaker 1: And then neither one of them either put put put
Speaker 1: the foot down on the accelerator. It was just they
Speaker 1: both kind of play just okay, and you know it's like,
Speaker 1: all right, we have to keep two quarterbacks. Les keep too.
Speaker 1: You know, I don't think they're that luxury this year,
Speaker 1: I really really don't. Somebody's gonna have to step up
Speaker 1: and take this job. It's either bea Cooper Rush or
Speaker 1: it's gonna be Mike White or do you have a
Speaker 1: short list of available veteran quarterbacks out of work. It's
Speaker 1: interesting because I mean they haven't gone that route. A
Speaker 1: account floating around somewhere, those seem like to be the
Speaker 1: popular guy. I mean they haven't gone that route since
Speaker 1: twenty sixteen when they really want koys, yeah, make boys,
Speaker 1: m accounts. I mean, they got such a steel with
Speaker 1: Dak in twenty sixteen, and I think they they change
Speaker 1: course and said, we we want to develop. You know,
Speaker 1: we've got a young starter. Let's see if we can
Speaker 1: find more guys that we can develop through the draft.
Speaker 1: The thing Mike White was a fifth round pick a
Speaker 1: couple of years ago. I mean, they tried Matt Castle,
Speaker 1: they tried Weedon, they tried all these guys. To our dismay,
Speaker 1: it didn't work, you know, so um, But to your point, yeah,
Speaker 1: I think once you get into training camp, in these
Speaker 1: preseason games, the backups are going to have to show
Speaker 1: that they can handle. Somebody had better step up yeah,
Speaker 1: and that because again I'm just I'm making a prediction
Speaker 1: as we speak here May seventh, right, May seventh, today, seventh,
Speaker 1: May seventh. I'm saying, you know, they're not going to
Speaker 1: keep three quarterbacks. I'm gonna make that prediction right now
Speaker 1: because I think the roster is going to be so
Speaker 1: strong at certain positions with some competition that they're thinking, like,
Speaker 1: we can't keep that guy, we can't keep They got
Speaker 1: to put them on the practice yeah, or you know,
Speaker 1: they cut them in. They're thinking, okay, good luck, you know,
Speaker 1: and maybe we'll find another quarterback down the line. But
Speaker 1: they if now, if they keep both quarterbacks, he'll be
Speaker 1: because both quarterbacks earned the right to be here. But
Speaker 1: if one of them goes out there, like I said,
Speaker 1: spits the bid again and doesn't play with any passion
Speaker 1: and fire and intensity and moving the team and it's
Speaker 1: just you know, three and out, three and out, three
Speaker 1: and out in all those preseason games, you know, then
Speaker 1: I could see him moving on from that. So another position,
Speaker 1: which was a luxury last year, they kept four tight ends. Yeah,
Speaker 1: can they afford to do that again this year? And
Speaker 1: if they can't, then Rico he's on the line with
Speaker 1: Witton coming back and Schultz and Jarwin. To me, he's
Speaker 1: fourth in line again. Keep and they signed the young
Speaker 1: guy Cody McElroy mackelroy. Yeah, and he looks like a
Speaker 1: tight end. Yeah, he didn't play much. He was about
Speaker 1: another basketball basketball right, But again, I was just gonna
Speaker 1: save everybody the UH having to call and ask about Rico.
Speaker 1: Where he fits in? Can I ask a question about Rico? Yes,
Speaker 1: put him at tackle right now? We've gotten some questions
Speaker 1: from fans about that. I mean, would you would you
Speaker 1: just go ahead and say tough enough? You know what
Speaker 1: I think, the blocks you're gonna get hit every fight enough.
Speaker 1: But but but maybe it's about maybe it's a way
Speaker 1: that you tell him, listen, your best avenue of sticking
Speaker 1: in the National Football League and maybe maybe other team. Well,
Speaker 1: obviously if they put him out there, somebody will pick
Speaker 1: him up, because everybody's interested in the basketball guy. By
Speaker 1: the way, every kite ind the Cowboys have cut has
Speaker 1: gone on and done great things. So that might be
Speaker 1: another reason to pick up a tight end from his team.
Speaker 1: But but would you consider putting Rico Gathers right at
Speaker 1: least in the minicamps, the OTAs and working him as
Speaker 1: some offensive tackle and see if if in fact it
Speaker 1: because I think he's got the feet the feet to
Speaker 1: do it, I don't. We'll see about the power of
Speaker 1: the upper body strength and stuff. And maybe that's too
Speaker 1: much to ask mentally of him to have to switch that.
Speaker 1: But he plays that, he plays next to tackles. He
Speaker 1: plays next to tackles in blocking. So but but okay,
Speaker 1: you talk about your investment in time and all that.
Speaker 1: I mean, it's just tough because because he's the transition
Speaker 1: just to get the tight end from eighth grade I
Speaker 1: haven't played, and now you want to switch him. But
Speaker 1: the numbers don't appear to be in his favor now obviously, right,
Speaker 1: it's gonna be tough because you've got a draft pick
Speaker 1: in front of you. They love Jarwin. You got Jason Witten,
Speaker 1: and he's maybe he's better than maybe he's better than Schultz.
Speaker 1: They listened to him at two eighty two. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: don't know. You know, this is where I'm kind of like,
Speaker 1: if you if you did it now, he's two eighty two,
Speaker 1: and you could get him to two ninety four, maybe
Speaker 1: to ninety five something like that put about, you know,
Speaker 1: puts them a little weight more because he's gonna have
Speaker 1: the offseason program. As far as lifting weights, you keep
Speaker 1: bulking him up a little bit. I just think the
Speaker 1: footwork maybe can help being an athlete, But what about
Speaker 1: football awareness that that right there will get somebody killed.
Speaker 1: But I was just thinking, if you're not gonna the
Speaker 1: investment that they made. Okay, so we're saying that the
Speaker 1: two year investment of three year investment of Rico gathers
Speaker 1: is has been a watch. I mean, this is not
Speaker 1: a watch, but as a that's a failure. This is
Speaker 1: the third year, right, right, you gotta do something your
Speaker 1: third year. You gotta make us say the same thing
Speaker 1: about the first round pick they had too that year.
Speaker 1: It's really his fourth year, but he's he missed basically
Speaker 1: one year and no, he's in the same boat. Yeah yeah,
Speaker 1: except for the fact that he's got a guaranteed contract. Yeah. See,
Speaker 1: that's that's Will McClay came out and was was very
Speaker 1: very adamant about Rico needs to not Rico Taco such
Speaker 1: a crowded group. Durance Armstrong's gonna try to you know,
Speaker 1: you drafted a couple ends and we'll see what happens there.
Speaker 1: All right, when you have a four million dollars dead
Speaker 1: money if you get rid of him or trade him,
Speaker 1: and who would give you anything for him at this point?
Speaker 1: I mean, he's got a step up, but again you're
Speaker 1: kind of hamstrung because of the contract. Maybe player for player,
Speaker 1: first round player, it's still cost you four million dollars. Well,
Speaker 1: they would assume the guarantee, yes, right, if you traded him,
Speaker 1: but the dead money on the signing bonus has still remains,
Speaker 1: so it should not Pittsburgh with dead money. That's a
Speaker 1: lot of dead money in Pittsburgh. All right, let's take
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Speaker 1: competing read with Shannon. Yeah, what's up? Give you some
Speaker 1: Jack Clack except mine's nut printed out there. You go,
Speaker 1: Thank you, Mickey. And by the way, big day for
Speaker 1: Jean and Jerry Jones today. Yeah, today the Dallas Cowboys
Speaker 1: will help kind of break ground on what's going to
Speaker 1: be called a cancer society along with Baylor Scott and
Speaker 1: White and the Baylor's Foundation. They're developing sort of a
Speaker 1: to give you an example what it is, you know,
Speaker 1: the Ronald McDonnell House at Children's Hospital here in Dallas.
Speaker 1: They are going to give their combined donations are going
Speaker 1: to be able to give Dallas its first American Cancer
Speaker 1: Society Hope Lodge. It's a Hope Lodge where pepe that
Speaker 1: have to come in in town from out of town
Speaker 1: forty or more miles away and gives them a place
Speaker 1: to stay, family members, support groups. If somebody's in here
Speaker 1: for cancer treatment, they can put them up in a
Speaker 1: condominium type place in this Hope Lodge free of charge.
Speaker 1: They also allow them to you have facilities to cook,
Speaker 1: so you can stay there in a two bedroom, private
Speaker 1: bath basically condo while you're in town when someone that
Speaker 1: you're giving care to is having treatment and the person
Speaker 1: that's having treatment obviously is in the hospital. And I
Speaker 1: thought the neatest thing about it was they have available
Speaker 1: kitchen space and it was described as chef quality competition
Speaker 1: cooking space where families can go down and mingle and
Speaker 1: cook and kind of share what everybody's doing. So the Cowboys,
Speaker 1: Jerry and Gene Jones donating seven point five million dollars
Speaker 1: to this. Baylor Scott and White is donating the land
Speaker 1: close to the Baylor Hospital downtown. It's in the Deep
Speaker 1: Album area and they're going to break ground on that
Speaker 1: and they're hoped to be up and running by twenty
Speaker 1: twenty one, so a really neat idea. They have them
Speaker 1: around the country. Yeah, and this will be the first
Speaker 1: one in Dallas. Awesome, Awesome, all right, I promise we
Speaker 1: get to the phone lines eventually. Will you're still there
Speaker 1: from Chicago? Yes, I'm here. Thanks for holding buddy. What's
Speaker 1: on your mind today? So we just have a couple
Speaker 1: of comments and one comment and one question. Two questions. Really, So, Mickey,
Speaker 1: the next time he in Chicago, which will be in December,
Speaker 1: you have to try the Chicago Pizza pot pie at
Speaker 1: the Chicago Pizza and Oven Grind. Definitely something you would enjoy.
Speaker 1: Comes in half a pound and one pound? Can I
Speaker 1: order it online? But yeah, you better order it because
Speaker 1: there's a long wait. So my first question has to
Speaker 1: deal with Randy Gregory. I know that we've had a
Speaker 1: lot of commerces for as his pending suspension. Do we
Speaker 1: have any kind of update on what that actually means,
Speaker 1: and the second question probably more discussion. I know that
Speaker 1: we put a lot of emphasis on moving to more
Speaker 1: a younger lineup, and I love Sean Lee. He's only
Speaker 1: only player I have pictures with. But with all the
Speaker 1: young talent that we have, do you see the Cowboys
Speaker 1: being brave enough or having enough guts to really move
Speaker 1: away from a Shan Lee who was actually his last
Speaker 1: years and maybe nim with Jason Witten? I think Jason's
Speaker 1: will the safe and and Sean but will they make
Speaker 1: that type of decision? And I'll hang up and listen
Speaker 1: to the sir. Ask you a question quick, sir, sir,
Speaker 1: so are you with me? Okay? Who? Hey? Yeah? Yeah,
Speaker 1: I was gonna ask okay, so you're thinking about this
Speaker 1: for final cuts? Then, right is how you're looking at it?
Speaker 1: So okay? So we need to figure out though. Are
Speaker 1: we liking that Sean Lee is gonna play sam linebacker,
Speaker 1: which Mickey I give him full credit for that. We
Speaker 1: are we okay with that? For Shaun Lee played in
Speaker 1: that role and then being a backup player if something
Speaker 1: were to happen, Because I'll give you a really good
Speaker 1: example of what's happened the last couple of years, last
Speaker 1: few years, if I remember correctly, you know, you look
Speaker 1: at it with Joe Looney was able to do to
Speaker 1: step in backup guy, step in play sixteen games. Need
Speaker 1: that type of a player. Ron Larry did the same
Speaker 1: thing for Lyle Collins. So to me, having a veteran
Speaker 1: type of a guy, especially a guy with the quality
Speaker 1: of you know, pedigree of Sean Lee, I'm not too interested.
Speaker 1: I'm thinking about week seven, Week eight, week eleven. You know,
Speaker 1: we're maybe I'm gonna need that veteran guy to step
Speaker 1: in because Joe Looney stepped in for sixteen weeks. Now
Speaker 1: Joe Looney becomes a backup again, and now there's questions
Speaker 1: about Joe Looney, you know, even is of Connor McGovern.
Speaker 1: So I'm just I'm just trying to get a handle
Speaker 1: on this thing. You're you want to just completely move
Speaker 1: on from Sean Lee. It's what I'm am I right
Speaker 1: about this. No, I'm not saying let's move completely away
Speaker 1: from him right away. I think that we have to
Speaker 1: go through the competition. But if someone shows a talent
Speaker 1: and the ability to do, you know, that's the decision
Speaker 1: we have to make sure and I think I think
Speaker 1: maybe a couple of seasons back I called it. It
Speaker 1: was actually last season I called it and asked the question,
Speaker 1: if Sean Lee goes down, which he did, who steps in?
Speaker 1: Your answer at that point in time was Joe Thomas? Right,
Speaker 1: So Joe Thomas is still with us. We have Chris
Speaker 1: Covington us there. Yeah, I think they brought in a
Speaker 1: couple of another other linebackers. Yeah, Chris. I think that.
Speaker 1: I think that what makes the Patriots the Patriots is
Speaker 1: they're willingness to move on, right, So, you know, are
Speaker 1: we granted if the situation is right? I think having
Speaker 1: him there and that that's that experience is definitely crucial. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but at some point in time, you have to make
Speaker 1: sure that you're reliable to be on the field. Him
Speaker 1: playing Sam linebacker, in my opinion, taking on hits every play,
Speaker 1: I don't see that being a long term solution. Well,
Speaker 1: but you're not going to play every play, right, You're
Speaker 1: gonna play about twenty five percent of the snaps and
Speaker 1: you're gonna back up the other two positions. And him
Speaker 1: backing up the Sam, I mean, the week and the
Speaker 1: middle is better than any other alternative. The Cowboys have,
Speaker 1: and as it was explained to me, he doesn't have
Speaker 1: to be on the line of scrimmage every play playing Sam.
Speaker 1: They can play him off. They've done that before with
Speaker 1: their strong side linebacker and protected him. But if you
Speaker 1: got somebody that's you think's good enough to come in
Speaker 1: and you know who is it, you know Covington's barely played, yeah,
Speaker 1: you know. And Joe Thomas is more of a middle
Speaker 1: week guy, not a strong side guy. So I don't
Speaker 1: think he gets in a way. And the best part
Speaker 1: is his contract, the way it got restructured, doesn't get
Speaker 1: in the way either. I'm all, yeah, no, it's a good,
Speaker 1: good discussion. Now, sometimes you have to have a luxury somewhere.
Speaker 1: I just think that Sean Lee. I'm because I'm thinking
Speaker 1: about again, Week seven, Week nine, Week eleven, something somewhere
Speaker 1: right there. You're gonna need Shaun Lee to start one
Speaker 1: of these games. You know, somebody's gonna get banged up
Speaker 1: and you know, not gonna be able to suit up
Speaker 1: for a game or two. And I think Kevin Shawn Lee,
Speaker 1: you know that that last year though, that they only
Speaker 1: played like the Sam linebacker in the playoffs when we
Speaker 1: played ten percent. Yeah, the two playoff games. Damien Wilson
Speaker 1: was under thirty in the snaps the season, So, I mean,
Speaker 1: and Mickey's right about that, but I think that I
Speaker 1: just also think like that they're gonna do more with
Speaker 1: Shawn Lee. Maybe it's gonna give. And I don't think
Speaker 1: they want to take Layton van Rush off the field.
Speaker 1: I don't think they want to take Jayleen Smith off
Speaker 1: the field, Jaylen Smith. I think they want to develop
Speaker 1: Jayalen Smith Moore as a rusher, believe it or not,
Speaker 1: a guy, an attacking linebacker in nicol situations and stuff him.
Speaker 1: If you tell me, okay, we want to play straight coverage,
Speaker 1: I'll take Jalen Smith off the field because I don't
Speaker 1: think he can cover as well. But I think Sean
Speaker 1: Lee can. I think see and there's other packages that
Speaker 1: can use them for it. You can play four linebackers
Speaker 1: and as Brian said, and then Jalen becomes a pass rusher. Yeah,
Speaker 1: is he Russian? Is he not Russian? Right? Is Shawn
Speaker 1: Lee covering? Is he not covering? Right? There's so many
Speaker 1: things they can do with that three man front that
Speaker 1: they kind of like to use. The people on periscope
Speaker 1: are saying the football IQ and that's that's that's absolutely right.
Speaker 1: I know that's a smart that's a smart observation by
Speaker 1: somebody on pariscope. I'm sorry to catch your name, but yeah,
Speaker 1: that is it. You know, I understand what he was
Speaker 1: talking about with the injury and being young and all that.
Speaker 1: That's that's something that always comes into your mind. It's
Speaker 1: a young team to begin with. Maybe I need to
Speaker 1: carry a Witton, a Sean Lee, you know, I need
Speaker 1: to carry a veteran guy to make sure that the
Speaker 1: young guys are kind of doing things the right way.
Speaker 1: If they're getting in the way, if somebody is clearly
Speaker 1: better than Shan Lee, then I trust Will McClay, Jerry
Speaker 1: Jones and Stephen Jones and Jason Garrett to make the
Speaker 1: right decision to move on from that player if that's
Speaker 1: what they have to do. I don't think you look
Speaker 1: at the linebacker depth chart and say there isn't that guy.
Speaker 1: I just don't now to Will's point, sure, he's got
Speaker 1: to stay healthy, absolutely, but the football IQ is big
Speaker 1: because number. By the way, Sean Lee was the best
Speaker 1: linebacker on the field in the playoff game. The loss
Speaker 1: of the Rams. That was a bad day overall for
Speaker 1: the defense. But the football IQ thing, there were plays
Speaker 1: that you watched Layton last year, and he needs to
Speaker 1: be on the field as much as possible, but there
Speaker 1: were plays that experience diagnosing things, another year or two
Speaker 1: of experience would have done him well. And that's a
Speaker 1: play that probably Sean might have recognized and gotten taken
Speaker 1: the right angle to the ball. Things like that. It
Speaker 1: shows up if you go back and watch some of
Speaker 1: that stuff. So what was the first part of his
Speaker 1: question of the Chicago Pizza Pot pie date on Randy
Speaker 1: Gregory indefinitely suspended right now? Yeah, he's indefinitely suspended, So
Speaker 1: I think he kind of worded it like it was
Speaker 1: impending or something. He is suspended. I think the best
Speaker 1: thing you can say is they are hopefully optimistic that
Speaker 1: he'll get reinstated. I think I've had some people tell
Speaker 1: me that Randy Gregory's working out on his own. You
Speaker 1: know that he's trying to do some things to kind
Speaker 1: of keep himself active, keep himself going, making sure that
Speaker 1: while these guys are here doing OTAs and Captain's workouts
Speaker 1: and all that he's not gonna He's not just sitting
Speaker 1: there waiting for you know, somebody to decide his fate.
Speaker 1: He's going to. If it works, he'll be ready. If
Speaker 1: it doesn't work, well, then he'll do what he has
Speaker 1: to do. But now and again we talk about Randy
Speaker 1: in his situation. It's unfortunate, you know, And I'm not
Speaker 1: going to sit and act like I made a mistake
Speaker 1: with Randy Gregory, you know, and evaluating him. And I'm
Speaker 1: not going to do that again, because you know, it's
Speaker 1: un fortunate. I don't know his complete, you know, completely,
Speaker 1: what goes on with him, But I was wrong about
Speaker 1: his willingness to want to play football. I thought, now
Speaker 1: he doesn't care about football. He really does care about football,
Speaker 1: but he's got something. He's got an illness that's keeping
Speaker 1: him from being the football player that that he's he
Speaker 1: was in college. And you know, we have yet to
Speaker 1: see here with the Cowboy. He really is a unique
Speaker 1: case because it is a it's an illness and it's
Speaker 1: an issue that probably won't get resolved until the next
Speaker 1: CBA and he unfortunately he entered the league in twenty
Speaker 1: fifteen and under the current rule play, it's it's it's
Speaker 1: an issue trying to figure out where he falls with
Speaker 1: violations of the substance he plays. He plays for a professional,
Speaker 1: professional sport that is very not very sympathetic to his
Speaker 1: kind of condition, or it has no understanding of his condition.
Speaker 1: That's that's the problem. If he would maybe maybe maybe
Speaker 1: the other sports baseball, basketball, hockey, maybe they have a
Speaker 1: better understanding of this. Football doesn't have a better understanding
Speaker 1: of this. And we don't know the circumstances surrounding the
Speaker 1: reason for the indefinite suspension. There's a lot of things
Speaker 1: that he has to follow and and the only reason
Speaker 1: I say they're you know, hopefully optimistic. If you listened
Speaker 1: to Stephen Jones answer questions about it, I mean, he
Speaker 1: sounds like, but they know something we don't. Yeah, but
Speaker 1: we gotta be careful, Mickey. Remember we got fooled by
Speaker 1: the whole Zeke thing Jerry came out was a legal thing,
Speaker 1: and we can have analyze that. We can't analyze. No,
Speaker 1: we can't analyze this. But it's if it's coming from
Speaker 1: the league, you gotta just be careful about And I
Speaker 1: appreciate what you're saying. I really really do the legal
Speaker 1: stuff we understood. I don't know if I really understood it,
Speaker 1: but I tried. Well, we obviously misinterpreted it because the
Speaker 1: way they interpreted. But if you've noticed since then, the
Speaker 1: league hasn't done again what they've done to Zeke. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it hadn't happened, all right, KNT real quick. You wanted
Speaker 1: to drop a free agent quarterback list for us, just
Speaker 1: in case the Cowboys wanted to look that way. Yeah,
Speaker 1: let me know if any of these names, um excite
Speaker 1: you more than Cooper Rush and or Michael we'll just
Speaker 1: say stop when we're interested. Some of these names might
Speaker 1: be very familiar to Cowboys fans as well. Um, we'll
Speaker 1: start with David Fails. He was last with Miami. Free
Speaker 1: agent Brock Osweiler, also last with Miami, Josh Johnson, And
Speaker 1: here's some familiar names. Brandon Whedon, Mark Sanchez, Matt Castle.
Speaker 1: Sanchez suspended the first four games? Or was that last
Speaker 1: year I was last? It was? Okay, there we go.
Speaker 1: Sanchez still out there, Josh McCown still out there as well.
Speaker 1: There's some accounco, there's some m account that helps Gino
Speaker 1: Smith and um, Rob, this is for you, Johnny manziel
Speaker 1: I gotta put it out there, put the feelers out, Rob,
Speaker 1: Johnny in there trying to get an extra thousand or two.
Speaker 1: Uh oh yeah, Well that's a great way to end
Speaker 1: the show, isn't it. And that's kind of why you're
Speaker 1: trying to develop your own guys. Right, threw up in
Speaker 1: my mouth. So you got roots there with all of that.
Speaker 1: None of those guys. That's why you try to develop
Speaker 1: your own guys, because those guys had shot. Maybe Josh McCown,
Speaker 1: he forgot a very he got a very key name.
Speaker 1: He left somebody off. He left somebody off, left somebody
Speaker 1: off that that that just might be the best one
Speaker 1: out of all those guys. Tony Romeo, Oh, he's playing
Speaker 1: golf this he's playing he's going to golf this week. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he's golfing. Colin Kaepernick. Yes, yes, if you're talking about
Speaker 1: get me a guy that I know is in shape
Speaker 1: that can whip the ball. But again, is the is
Speaker 1: there going to be important time in this NFL where
Speaker 1: we now understand what's going on here and then we
Speaker 1: don't have the back and forth with that. I guess
Speaker 1: just as much talent as every one of those people
Speaker 1: that that can't just named has been to a Super
Speaker 1: Bowl almost, I'm none of those guys would create a
Speaker 1: controversy if Dak had one bad game. Yeah, no, you're fair,
Speaker 1: that's absolutely right. But I'm just saying, if if I
Speaker 1: was a general manager and I needed a backup quarterback,
Speaker 1: I know I would look at him and say I
Speaker 1: would I would work that angle. Yeah, you're losing Dak
Speaker 1: week three? Would you take? That's a different story over.
Speaker 1: I need to see what Kellen Moore's doing with his offense.
Speaker 1: But if he's moving Dak around, this guy you can
Speaker 1: if you have an athletic quarterback, This guy makes a
Speaker 1: lot of sense. And then the other question is does
Speaker 1: he want to play football? Yeah, that's another question because
Speaker 1: we don't know that do Yeah, we don't. All right,
Speaker 1: we're out of time. KNT thanks for producing and for
Speaker 1: the Yaggy wore him at the end of the show.
Speaker 1: Appreciate that. Thanks to Brian, thanks to Mickey. We'll hollerate
Speaker 1: you guys next Tuesday. Bill will be back in studio
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