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Speaker 2: You're listening to Fox Sports Radio. Here we go. It

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Speaker 2: is a Friday, It is our two. We had been

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Speaker 2: in a heater with a blazing five. We are rebounding

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Speaker 2: today live in La wherever you may be, however you

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Speaker 2: may be listening. Thanks for making us part of your day. Plus,

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Speaker 2: one of the sharpest guys who covers the NFL, our friend,

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Speaker 2: Mike Sando, is going to be joining us in five minutes.

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Speaker 2: You know, Jmax. It is a weird year. Last year

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Speaker 2: it was a great year for the Joes, not the pros.

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Speaker 2: The favorites crushed. I've been on this for a few

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Speaker 2: years now that the bottom of the NFL is looking

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Speaker 2: like the bottom of the NBA is that it's not

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Speaker 2: watchable and it's not competitive. That was never the case

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Speaker 2: years ago, but as the league has become more quarterback dependent,

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Speaker 2: that means offensive lines and quarterbacks and offensive coaches have

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Speaker 2: a greater impact. We're seeing ugly spreads and favorites are

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Speaker 2: holding serve a lot. And this week again, I like

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Speaker 2: a lot of favorites. It's a dead last week early games,

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Speaker 2: I took road favorites. I went to and all on

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Speaker 2: those and I thought these are bad picks. They worked out,

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Speaker 2: So here we go. Here's this week's blazing five.

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Speaker 3: Let's blaze it up. Fired up, It's Collins Blazon. Fuck

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Speaker 3: the Felkins at Colts.

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Speaker 2: I like the Colts in Berlin minus five and a half.

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Speaker 2: Don't overreact to the Steelers' loss. They lead the NFL

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Speaker 2: at six point three yards of play. They haven't lost

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Speaker 2: if Jonathan Taylor just russes for ninety yards, have the

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Speaker 2: number two total offense, and Daniel Jones on the road

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Speaker 2: had a stinker five turnovers against Pittsburgh. Even good quarterbacks

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Speaker 2: have bad weekends. I love the Colts. I love what

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Speaker 2: Sauce Gardner does to the locker room. The Falcons are

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Speaker 2: on a three game losing streak. They've been out gained

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Speaker 2: in all of their games. They're the worst third down

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Speaker 2: team over the last two games, so they are regressing.

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Speaker 2: I think it's to bounce back for the Colts. I

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Speaker 2: like Indy here, Atlanta's struggling to score. Indy to win

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Speaker 2: and cover thirty three twenty four Ravens and Vikings. I'm

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Speaker 2: gonna take the Ravens coming off extra rest averaging thirty

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Speaker 2: two a game when Lamar plays. I don't know if

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Speaker 2: you've noticed this. Lamar's having an unbelievable year. He'd be

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Speaker 2: the MVP if he'd been healthy, and the defense in

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Speaker 2: Lamar's averaging seventy three completion percentage this year in a

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Speaker 2: one to thirty seven passer rating.

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Speaker 2: The Vikings have been out gained in back to back games,

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Speaker 2: including the win over Detroit, and they're allowing thirty a

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Speaker 4: Their last three games.

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Speaker 2: So again, a regressing Minnesota defense which is on the.

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Speaker 4: Field too long.

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Speaker 2: Lamar owns the NFC Ravens win and the Ravens cover.

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Speaker 2: It's an urgent week for Baltimore and next week in

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Speaker 5: Be more Patriots at Buccaneers.

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Speaker 2: I like the Bucks minus two and a half coming

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Speaker 2: two wins have been by double digits. They're a very

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Speaker 2: good home team, twenty eight a game at home, getting

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Speaker 2: slightly healthier. My concern, though, is the Patriots, who have

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Speaker 2: played the easiest schedule in the league, and I think

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Speaker 2: we're a little hot on a young New England team.

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Speaker 2: Drake May is getting sacked at an alarming rate. Watch

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Speaker 2: out Todd Bowles. Jmack knows this. He dials up the

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Speaker 2: blitzes he and Brian Flores as well as anybody. So

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Speaker 2: since week seven, Drake May is under duress. I like

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Speaker 2: the Bucks at home to win and cover twenty seven

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Speaker 2: to twenty three, Lions at Commanders. I don't think I've

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Speaker 2: ever taken four straight favorites. I'm gonna take the Lions.

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Speaker 2: Do not panic over the Minnesota loss. They had more yards,

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Speaker 2: they were better on third and fourth, better time of possession.

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Speaker 2: Road games, and they were really last week in division

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Speaker 4: Comfortably Steelers at Chargers.

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Speaker 2: I'm gonna take the underdog Steelers plus three. They're four

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Speaker 2: the Chargers don't have either Tackle Becton's hurt as well.

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Speaker 4: And I don't trust this O line.

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Speaker 2: Justin Herbert's got one plus picks in three straight games

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Speaker 4: Around that whole line and nobody had all year.

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Speaker 2: I'm gonna take the underdog Steelers so far is going

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Speaker 2: to be sixty forty Steeler fans, not a home field advantage.

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Speaker 2: Maybe seventy thirty Steeler fans. I got an upset twenty four,

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Speaker 4: I don't like a lot of favorites I do this week.

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Speaker 4: J Mac, use restraint when bashing my picks.

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Speaker 6: No, no, I actually am with you on a lot

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Speaker 6: of these. I would just be careful with that Bucks game.

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Speaker 6: Everybody likes Tampa Christian Gonzalez Ago Christian Gozalas versus Buca

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Speaker 7: I don't hate the picks call. I mean, you're hot.

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Speaker 7: What can I say? You know when you're hot?

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Speaker 4: Not last week.

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Speaker 2: Mike Sandos, an NFL writer for the Athletic Selector for

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Speaker 2: the Pro Football Hall of Fame, So you know I was,

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Speaker 2: I said this great senior, Mike. I watched Bo Nicks

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Speaker 2: and he has regressed badly. And for young quarterbacks the

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Speaker 2: development is never lindear. They have bad stretches, bad games.

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Speaker 2: They can lose a coordinator. So I understand that, but

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Speaker 2: there are I think he looks nervous. I think there's

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Speaker 2: he's trying to please Sean Payton. Sean Payton's then overcompensating,

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Speaker 4: The rhythm is off.

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Speaker 2: I don't know, like I something feels off and wrong. Mike,

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Speaker 5: Yeah? I agree now.

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Speaker 8: I do think one of the warnings you get from

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Speaker 5: Right, people adjust to you, they got the film on you.

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Speaker 8: He had some success last year, so you're probably getting

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Speaker 8: but it's not sustainable. We see Arizona's changing to changing

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Speaker 8: think that you know, Sean Payton would be the perfect

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Speaker 8: It does not look sustainable at all.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so let's go to Caleb Williams. I had said

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Speaker 2: Bear fans, even Ben Johnson, if you have said, listen

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Speaker 2: his folks. There's a lot of the dynamic stuff is landing.

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Speaker 2: Where are you on Caleb and Ben and that relationship.

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Speaker 8: Well, the thing I look at is he's on a

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Speaker 8: Ben Johnson. So I think it's a stressful way for.

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Speaker 4: Him to play.

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Speaker 5: I give them credit.

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Speaker 8: I think that it's you know, look, this could have

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Speaker 5: I don't think we're doing that.

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Speaker 8: But when you talk about the long term sustainability and

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Speaker 5: Still have those question marks.

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Speaker 8: Although I will say to hey, the Sacks, you know,

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Speaker 8: kind of interesting to me that he's like a waiting Sacks,

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Speaker 8: I just I still need to see long term, you

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Speaker 8: know how if there's going to be a lot of

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, it's interesting, Mike, he's never thrown picks,

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Speaker 2: high school, college pros. He doesn't throw picks. So he

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Speaker 2: hold it a little longer because I can escape, I

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Speaker 2: a lot of trouble. There's not a ton of three

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Speaker 2: just to your point, the rhythm is off, the operational

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Speaker 2: part of it's a little clunky, right.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, Yeah, I'm going to look at this too, because

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Speaker 8: I think one of the fears, even I knew a

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Speaker 8: point that you're playing behind the sticks a fair amount,

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Speaker 8: a magician. I mean he was. The positives were so amazing,

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Speaker 8: he made it work. In fact, once his legs wins,

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Speaker 8: he couldn't do it anymore. And I haven't necessarily seen

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Speaker 8: I'm generally I feel better about it now than I

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Speaker 8: It's been like a campaign to convince us, and I

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Speaker 5: Right totally.

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Speaker 5: They're like fourteen and eleven.

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Speaker 8: We don't feel like any one of those teams is

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Speaker 2: You know, there were stories out there that Tom Brady

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Speaker 4: And Pete. I mean, it's just nothing is working. Mike.

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Speaker 8: I always wonder, like, you know, can a top coach

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Speaker 5: You know, how does that work? And how much is

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Speaker 8: I thought about that too, because Pete's going to be

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Speaker 4: Away?

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Speaker 5: Is that for Pete?

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Speaker 4: Now?

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Speaker 8: Do you fire a Pete Carroll after one year? To me,

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Speaker 8: it would really have to be like they had a

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Speaker 8: If that type of thing is happening, then I think

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Speaker 8: when you're just totally incompetitive. The game the other night

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Speaker 8: It wasn't like they were losing thirty to nothing. So

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Speaker 8: I would think Pete, it's more time. It has just

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Speaker 8: I kind of agreed with that, because you don't what

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Speaker 5: But I'm not sure how like think of it this way.

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Speaker 8: When you're a head coach and your calling card is

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Speaker 8: changing the culture, It's not like Pete Carroll's coming in

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Speaker 8: think that they're going to wait that long? Is this

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Mike Sando, Senior writer. The athletic on a Friday

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Speaker 2: is the temperature's cool in the nation, and the aviation

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Speaker 4: Mike, it's great seeing you.

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Speaker 5: Great seeing you. Appreciated Colin all right, Mike does terrific work.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I don't. It's an interesting.

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Speaker 2: Idea by you, is that it is it's hard to

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Speaker 2: take the job. Obviously, it doesn't matter who the owner

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Speaker 2: Dean Spanos now in LA with so far his huge

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Speaker 2: you know. That's why we have said for years we

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Speaker 2: It's just hard to turn this stuff around. I mean again,

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Speaker 2: It's just if you don't have the quarterback right and

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Speaker 4: It looks like the Raiders.

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Speaker 7: Well it's funny.

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Speaker 6: After I said that on social media, guys coming after me,

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Speaker 6: Hey j Mack, you want to keep Aaron Glenn, but

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Speaker 7: And I said, well, those are different things.

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Speaker 6: Pete Carroll's a veteran coach, right coming into a Raiders

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Speaker 6: kind of handpicked his quarterback. Aaron Glenn got hey, this

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Speaker 7: You can do it.

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Speaker 6: I'm giving Aaron Glenn, a first time head coach, a chance.

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Speaker 6: I just wonder if Pete Carroll's the right fit there.

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Speaker 6: I mean, you know, Chip Kelly, we like a lot,

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Speaker 6: you know, we know the ownership group is some smart people.

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Speaker 6: I just don't know how they landed on Gino Smith

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Speaker 4: Urban Meyer next hour.

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Speaker 2: I'm still telling you there's the Lincoln Riley stuff at USC.

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Speaker 2: Penn State might be interested. Keep your eye on Lane Kiffin.

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Speaker 2: What is working in the NFL right now? Is young

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Speaker 2: offensive guys. They're working AFC, NFC. You can bounce around

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Speaker 6: Wait, so is link taking the LSU job, the Penn

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Speaker 6: State job, mimy Miami Dolphins. Okay, boy, Lane Kiffin's the

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Speaker 2: I mean he's he's been Listen, don't blame the Raiders

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Speaker 2: winning since Pete Carroll, Sark Kiffin, Clay Lincoln, where all

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Speaker 6: It's more about like just is it because is some

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Speaker 7: Good in the NFL or better than everybody thought?

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Speaker 5: Is it?

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Speaker 7: Old miss?

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Speaker 2: He's got a kid now, Trinidad Chambliss, the quarterback. I

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Speaker 2: In recruiting, offensive players at a high school or transfer

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Speaker 2: left tackles. Offensive players follow the coach more than defensive players.

437
00:22:03,040 --> 00:22:07,000
Speaker 2: Now in the NFL, obviously, that dynamic changes you're drafting

438
00:22:07,040 --> 00:22:10,240
Speaker 2: them they're not choosing you. So maybe he's just built

439
00:22:10,320 --> 00:22:14,000
Speaker 2: for college because Lane's young, good looking guy, big personality,

440
00:22:15,280 --> 00:22:18,760
Speaker 2: and in the college level he's got a pied piper effect.

441
00:22:18,760 --> 00:22:21,600
Speaker 2: He can get those those transfer guys they want they

442
00:22:21,640 --> 00:22:23,280
Speaker 2: want to play for lanth and they should.

443
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Speaker 6: I look at the who he's answering to at Ole

444
00:22:25,520 --> 00:22:28,280
Speaker 6: miss nobody, it's Lane's show. Nobody tells them what to do.

445
00:22:28,640 --> 00:22:30,920
Speaker 6: At LSU, it's I believe the governor of the state

446
00:22:31,000 --> 00:22:34,280
Speaker 6: right now. No, you're right, okay, The Miami Dolphins Stephen Ross,

447
00:22:34,960 --> 00:22:36,600
Speaker 6: you know him as an owner. Look at his history.

448
00:22:36,680 --> 00:22:39,280
Speaker 6: It ain't great. And then the New York Giants, who

449
00:22:39,320 --> 00:22:40,040
Speaker 6: are a bit of a dog.

450
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Speaker 4: Would you ask yourself these are good point.

451
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Speaker 7: I want to kill the kill the Giants.

452
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Speaker 2: I would rather coach in the NFL than college because

453
00:22:46,480 --> 00:22:51,200
Speaker 2: I just would get tired of having to tell every player.

454
00:22:51,480 --> 00:22:53,720
Speaker 2: It's like being a late night host, Like you're Jimmy Kimmel.

455
00:22:53,920 --> 00:22:56,920
Speaker 2: You have to fake that you care about some crappy

456
00:22:57,280 --> 00:22:59,920
Speaker 2: third line actress or actor on a show you'd know

457
00:23:00,240 --> 00:23:01,880
Speaker 2: watch late night TV.

458
00:23:02,080 --> 00:23:02,919
Speaker 4: Is just faking it.

459
00:23:03,320 --> 00:23:06,879
Speaker 2: You very rarely get Chris rock On or Seinfeld or

460
00:23:06,960 --> 00:23:09,720
Speaker 2: Dave Chappelle, like, that's a great guest. You get them

461
00:23:09,760 --> 00:23:12,840
Speaker 2: like four times a year, or a great like Bradley Cooper.

462
00:23:12,920 --> 00:23:16,439
Speaker 2: It's mostly second third tier people you gotta fake. So

463
00:23:16,600 --> 00:23:20,000
Speaker 2: in college recruiting you have to. Basically you're constantly like, oh,

464
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Speaker 2: I love you, You're my favorite to eighteen year olds

465
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Speaker 2: in the NFL.

466
00:23:23,640 --> 00:23:24,840
Speaker 4: I draft you. I like you.

467
00:23:24,920 --> 00:23:27,240
Speaker 2: It doesn't work. I cut you. It's more bottom line,

468
00:23:27,280 --> 00:23:29,720
Speaker 2: I'd rather coach NFL than college. You say that, but

469
00:23:29,800 --> 00:23:31,760
Speaker 2: then we've got all these meddaling owners.

470
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Speaker 6: Colin who Woody Johnson goes and blast Justin Fields.

471
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Speaker 7: The week of the game Justin Fields.

472
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Speaker 6: And shows up and is great, and you're like, what

473
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Speaker 6: is Woody Johnson talking about? Do you want your owner

474
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Speaker 6: coming into meetings and meddling. I mean, look at the

475
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Speaker 6: Carolina Panthers owner the last few years. Now he's simmer

476
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Speaker 6: down this season, Like, do you want to deal with that?

477
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Speaker 2: Well, I would rather think I would rather deal with

478
00:23:53,119 --> 00:24:01,080
Speaker 2: one impulsive billionaire than seven needy boosters, an overwhelmed athletic director,

479
00:24:01,480 --> 00:24:05,360
Speaker 2: and the NCAA nonsense all deal good question.

480
00:24:05,200 --> 00:24:07,360
Speaker 4: With one impulsive rich guy.

481
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Speaker 2: I'll talk him off the ledge Twice a year when

482
00:24:09,359 --> 00:24:10,679
Speaker 2: you deal with a lot of rich guys, you know,

483
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Speaker 2: I don't.

484
00:24:11,240 --> 00:24:13,159
Speaker 6: I don't, I don't. I don't know what they're like.

485
00:24:13,200 --> 00:24:14,520
Speaker 6: I just can make fun of one the ender. My

486
00:24:14,560 --> 00:24:18,199
Speaker 6: friends are oppressed and living on peanut riddle. But the

487
00:24:18,240 --> 00:24:22,960
Speaker 6: point is, I'd rather deal with one one thing than

488
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Speaker 6: a bunch of things.

489
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Speaker 7: Joey baggat Donuts, who's coming in?

490
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Speaker 2: I'm got every car dealer in town and guys that

491
00:24:28,560 --> 00:24:30,080
Speaker 2: sell sofas at discount?

492
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Speaker 6: Hey, what about but don't buy the kid again? I

493
00:24:32,720 --> 00:24:34,520
Speaker 6: don't know, And I'd love to ask Lane. You take

494
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Speaker 6: one of these car.

495
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Speaker 7: Dealers out to a dinner and they're just thrilled.

496
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Speaker 6: They're on cloud nine for a month. That's it, and

497
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Speaker 6: you're good, Hey, thank you for the input, you know,

498
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Speaker 6: and you just win on Sunday and your owner is

499
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Speaker 6: good Saturday.

500
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Speaker 7: Yeah. Oh well, yeah, that's tough. It's not easy.

501
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Speaker 2: Do you want needy boosters and needy administrators or.

502
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Speaker 7: Do you want to just be like a radio host

503
00:24:53,680 --> 00:24:54,760
Speaker 7: in you you know, you just whatever?

504
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Speaker 2: I mean, Belichick's like Robert Kraft A lot of times.

505
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Speaker 2: The coaches are I mean, Andy Reid gets along with

506
00:25:02,080 --> 00:25:03,679
Speaker 2: Jeffrey Lourie, amahont family.

507
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Speaker 7: The he's out of it.

508
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Speaker 4: You have it in.

509
00:25:05,920 --> 00:25:09,760
Speaker 2: Belichick's grumpy. He's like Robert Robert Kraft's a top four owner.

510
00:25:10,480 --> 00:25:14,399
Speaker 2: You're complaining about Robert Kraft. That's a tough owner. Belichick

511
00:25:14,480 --> 00:25:17,840
Speaker 2: doesn't want anybody, not Not all owners are created equal.

512
00:25:18,080 --> 00:25:20,320
Speaker 2: Cleveland Brown's what's going on with that owner?

513
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Speaker 6: Like there's just some team like I'd rather coach in

514
00:25:22,880 --> 00:25:25,960
Speaker 6: colleague Penn State's probably a better job than you know,

515
00:25:26,000 --> 00:25:29,040
Speaker 6: probably a third of NFL jobs, given how crazy and

516
00:25:29,080 --> 00:25:29,760
Speaker 6: wacky these.

517
00:25:29,600 --> 00:25:34,360
Speaker 2: Billions, you want to be recruiting small town A thirteenth

518
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Speaker 2: apple Pie Slice of the Week.

519
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Speaker 7: I love apple pie. I'll eat apple pie six days

520
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Speaker 7: a week if I get.

521
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Speaker 2: To just schmooze with Jmack with a news No, no,

522
00:25:44,400 --> 00:25:45,119
Speaker 2: turn on the news.

523
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Speaker 7: This is the headline news, all right. So this one

524
00:25:49,440 --> 00:25:50,800
Speaker 7: is interesting. Aaron Rodgers.

525
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Speaker 6: You know, I've stopped beating up on him after he

526
00:25:52,359 --> 00:25:53,440
Speaker 6: got that one over the Colts.

527
00:25:53,840 --> 00:25:56,320
Speaker 7: Very strange situation this week.

528
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Speaker 6: So Rogers talked about an alleged team bonding of event

529
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Speaker 6: that he was invited to, right, and then he shows

530
00:26:03,520 --> 00:26:05,960
Speaker 6: up and he's the only player there.

531
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Speaker 7: Listen to this colin.

532
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Speaker 10: Him invited me to a movie night a while back,

533
00:26:10,880 --> 00:26:12,720
Speaker 10: and I said it was a big team function.

534
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Speaker 6: I showed up.

535
00:26:13,320 --> 00:26:15,720
Speaker 10: I was the only player there, and.

536
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Speaker 5: On a Tuesday night too.

537
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Speaker 10: It was just like we had an early Wednesday morning

538
00:26:20,040 --> 00:26:22,520
Speaker 10: the quarterbacks with our meeting with Mike. So I was like,

539
00:26:22,800 --> 00:26:26,760
Speaker 10: I love, you know, team bonding, chemistry stuff. I show up,

540
00:26:26,760 --> 00:26:28,800
Speaker 10: I see him and his son col and we have

541
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Speaker 10: to know during training camp. I'm like, oh cool, yeah,

542
00:26:31,440 --> 00:26:32,520
Speaker 10: of course camps here.

543
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Speaker 4: I'm looking around.

544
00:26:33,520 --> 00:26:37,480
Speaker 5: I go, where's it? But he so then he texted

545
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Speaker 5: me a.

546
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Speaker 10: Couple of nights ago said there was something on Monday night,

547
00:26:40,280 --> 00:26:42,840
Speaker 10: and I said, is this gonna be like the last one?

548
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Speaker 7: Okay, so is this something? Nothing is?

549
00:26:45,560 --> 00:26:47,359
Speaker 2: Rogers ain't get on chain here? I like that he

550
00:26:47,400 --> 00:26:48,840
Speaker 2: tells a story that's kind of funny.

551
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Speaker 7: So is it just.

552
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Speaker 6: Cam Hayward's older? Is he inviting guys over and all

553
00:26:52,440 --> 00:26:54,159
Speaker 6: the young guys are like, we're good, we got we got,

554
00:26:54,200 --> 00:26:55,520
Speaker 6: we got a night off. We're not hanging with the

555
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Speaker 6: old boy.

556
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Speaker 4: That's why I don't invite you guys over to my place.

557
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Speaker 2: I'll get the same kind of treatment you guys all

558
00:27:01,520 --> 00:27:04,480
Speaker 2: go to night clubs and New night clubs. These guys

559
00:27:04,480 --> 00:27:07,520
Speaker 2: go to music venues and night clubs and dance clubs,

560
00:27:07,560 --> 00:27:08,879
Speaker 2: and I go to bowling alley.

561
00:27:08,960 --> 00:27:10,600
Speaker 7: You're hanging out a cigar lounges.

562
00:27:10,720 --> 00:27:12,080
Speaker 4: Well, I mean, I go, I'm in.

563
00:27:12,200 --> 00:27:14,960
Speaker 2: I'm literally playing with the dogs at five forty five

564
00:27:15,200 --> 00:27:19,160
Speaker 2: the other night during uh it was Monday night football,

565
00:27:19,680 --> 00:27:23,600
Speaker 2: so Chicago's central time zone LA Pacific, And so I'm

566
00:27:23,640 --> 00:27:25,520
Speaker 2: sitting there and I'm watching the Monday night football game,

567
00:27:25,520 --> 00:27:28,000
Speaker 2: and I'm I'm getting tired, and I'm kind of battling

568
00:27:28,000 --> 00:27:30,440
Speaker 2: a flu. I'm like, I'm gonna get into bed. And

569
00:27:30,480 --> 00:27:32,879
Speaker 2: I looked down. It was five point fifty four, and

570
00:27:32,920 --> 00:27:35,800
Speaker 2: I'm like, I wanted to take magnesium and shut it.

571
00:27:35,800 --> 00:27:37,600
Speaker 2: And I had to watch the Monday night football game.

572
00:27:37,680 --> 00:27:42,040
Speaker 6: Those those Midwest winters hit hard. How you hold it up, buddy?

573
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Speaker 6: Let's move on. Hey, well, let'll get you happy with

574
00:27:44,520 --> 00:27:47,280
Speaker 6: this one. Sam Darnold your guy. You can't stop talking

575
00:27:47,280 --> 00:27:48,879
Speaker 6: about it. Oh, he's the best quarterback in.

576
00:27:48,840 --> 00:27:49,520
Speaker 7: The league this year.

577
00:27:49,520 --> 00:27:53,959
Speaker 6: That's undeniable. He had seventeen straight completions against one.

578
00:27:54,040 --> 00:27:56,720
Speaker 2: That was the best half of football by any quarterback

579
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Speaker 2: this decade.

580
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Speaker 7: Unbelievable.

581
00:27:59,200 --> 00:28:02,159
Speaker 6: NFL analyst Hugh Millan believes that one of the keys

582
00:28:02,200 --> 00:28:05,600
Speaker 6: to Darnold's success has been his ability to manipulate the

583
00:28:05,640 --> 00:28:08,400
Speaker 6: defense with his eyes and smoking the ball into those

584
00:28:08,440 --> 00:28:09,240
Speaker 6: tiny windows.

585
00:28:10,080 --> 00:28:13,760
Speaker 2: Your thoughts, I know you, and I think he's right.

586
00:28:13,880 --> 00:28:16,560
Speaker 2: I think Sam's really grown. I think we forget how

587
00:28:16,600 --> 00:28:19,320
Speaker 2: young Sam was with the Jets, so he was twenty

588
00:28:19,359 --> 00:28:23,200
Speaker 2: one years old. The Jets are dysfunctional. But and it

589
00:28:23,280 --> 00:28:27,640
Speaker 2: also Sam's also helped that this general manager, John Snyder,

590
00:28:27,720 --> 00:28:30,520
Speaker 2: this roster's really good. They got their left tackle, they

591
00:28:30,560 --> 00:28:33,919
Speaker 2: got their interior offensive linemen, they now got three receivers.

592
00:28:35,880 --> 00:28:36,960
Speaker 4: It's a really good roster.

593
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Speaker 2: When you watch them against Washington, I made this comment,

594
00:28:40,080 --> 00:28:44,200
Speaker 2: it looked like a it was Ohio State against Purdue.

595
00:28:44,240 --> 00:28:49,360
Speaker 2: It looked like an unfair fight. They are so long, strong,

596
00:28:50,280 --> 00:28:53,640
Speaker 2: they're so nimble. They're just they draft really well. They

597
00:28:53,640 --> 00:28:55,840
Speaker 2: don't miss. They don't miss much in drafts.

598
00:28:56,040 --> 00:28:59,760
Speaker 7: So we're talking about coaches and hot hot coaches.

599
00:29:00,160 --> 00:29:04,200
Speaker 6: Is Sam Darnald looking different and better because of Clint Kubiak? Now,

600
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Speaker 6: remember he's the OC last year Colin, You remember when

601
00:29:07,040 --> 00:29:09,240
Speaker 6: the New Orleans Saints started two and oh, they scored

602
00:29:09,240 --> 00:29:11,640
Speaker 6: like ninety points if Kubiak was there, Kubiak was the.

603
00:29:11,560 --> 00:29:13,760
Speaker 7: Guy, then it did. It went sideways, but Carr was hurt.

604
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Speaker 6: I just wonder if Kubiak's been so good for Donald

605
00:29:18,320 --> 00:29:21,440
Speaker 6: that maybe he starts getting some looks in interviews with Donald.

606
00:29:21,080 --> 00:29:26,400
Speaker 2: Has now succeeded in his life with Clay Helton, Kevin o'cutia,

607
00:29:26,800 --> 00:29:30,520
Speaker 2: Kevin O'Connell. When you start succeeding with three different sets

608
00:29:30,560 --> 00:29:31,880
Speaker 2: of it's not all that.

609
00:29:32,040 --> 00:29:35,400
Speaker 6: But how about this Kubiak Before he was with Seattle,

610
00:29:35,440 --> 00:29:39,200
Speaker 6: it was the Saints before that San Francisco fourteen nine ers.

611
00:29:39,240 --> 00:29:42,680
Speaker 2: Well that's where Donald, Yeah, Donald, you know, Shanahan's the

612
00:29:42,680 --> 00:29:46,520
Speaker 2: one that never quit on Donald after, you know, bouncing

613
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Speaker 2: around the league. McVeigh liked Baker, remember he brought him

614
00:29:49,560 --> 00:29:53,080
Speaker 2: to LA mcvay's like, no Baker can play. That's why

615
00:29:53,120 --> 00:29:55,240
Speaker 2: you have to be careful as a fan. You know,

616
00:29:55,240 --> 00:29:59,160
Speaker 2: when a quarterback's losing and say, well, let's contextualize it.

617
00:29:59,280 --> 00:30:02,440
Speaker 4: Why is he lose? Right, Like it's a quarterback can

618
00:30:02,480 --> 00:30:03,280
Speaker 4: only do so much.

619
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Speaker 2: Joe Burrow last year was the best quarterback in the

620
00:30:06,160 --> 00:30:09,920
Speaker 2: league statistically, could not make the playoffs. Right, he's overcoming

621
00:30:09,960 --> 00:30:11,840
Speaker 2: a chief owner. We don't know how great of a

622
00:30:11,880 --> 00:30:14,400
Speaker 2: coach Zach Taytor is. The old lines always banged up.

623
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Speaker 7: So Darnald plus Kubiak. If you have an opening in

624
00:30:17,960 --> 00:30:18,600
Speaker 7: the NFL and.

625
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Speaker 6: You don't bring in Koobiak because they're doing stuff JSN

626
00:30:21,520 --> 00:30:25,600
Speaker 6: is open all day and easy elite, how is that happening?

627
00:30:25,640 --> 00:30:27,240
Speaker 6: And I think Kubiak has a lot to do with

628
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Speaker 6: darn m Green Final story column. Let's go to the NBA.

629
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Speaker 7: Listen. You can't win.

630
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Speaker 6: Them all, Okay, The Dallas Mavericks are a total dumpster fire.

631
00:30:35,280 --> 00:30:38,640
Speaker 6: Things are going awful. Obviously, they made their change of

632
00:30:38,720 --> 00:30:41,440
Speaker 6: Cooper Flag. The rookie is not at point guard now.

633
00:30:41,480 --> 00:30:43,880
Speaker 6: They put Kay Thompson on the bench. Take a listen

634
00:30:43,920 --> 00:30:47,200
Speaker 6: to what our guy found here. A MAVs beat writer said,

635
00:30:47,200 --> 00:30:48,520
Speaker 6: the vibes are off in Dallas.

636
00:30:48,560 --> 00:30:52,720
Speaker 7: Listen to this. What was your your prosession of the

637
00:30:52,800 --> 00:30:53,480
Speaker 7: vibe today?

638
00:30:54,760 --> 00:30:56,640
Speaker 11: I mean they were move talk about prea, they playing

639
00:30:56,720 --> 00:31:01,280
Speaker 11: Marvin's Room. It just felt sad and dark and I

640
00:31:01,280 --> 00:31:03,880
Speaker 11: don't want to be dramatic, but like it just the

641
00:31:04,080 --> 00:31:05,600
Speaker 11: energy wasn't high.

642
00:31:05,720 --> 00:31:07,600
Speaker 5: You know, I've been around.

643
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Speaker 11: Some championship high school teams and you go in locker room.

644
00:31:11,320 --> 00:31:13,720
Speaker 11: The vibes are pretty high. I mean they're dancing, they're

645
00:31:13,720 --> 00:31:16,840
Speaker 11: playing music there. It's just it is a different type

646
00:31:16,840 --> 00:31:18,560
Speaker 11: of energy. They're laughing with each other, they're joking with

647
00:31:18,600 --> 00:31:21,440
Speaker 11: each other. The MAVs aren't doing that as much.

648
00:31:25,200 --> 00:31:28,840
Speaker 6: Any theories why things are suddenly gloomy and dark.

649
00:31:29,120 --> 00:31:31,800
Speaker 4: Well, it's just very early.

650
00:31:31,960 --> 00:31:34,760
Speaker 7: Oh really interesting. So who's the leader of this team?

651
00:31:34,840 --> 00:31:38,840
Speaker 4: CoV that's a good question. They don't have one.

652
00:31:38,880 --> 00:31:41,720
Speaker 6: They don't have leadership. Cooper Flag's eighteen. He's not walking

653
00:31:41,760 --> 00:31:43,400
Speaker 6: in there and tell them guys what to do. Klay

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Speaker 6: Thompson not a leader. He's got his own you know,

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Speaker 6: he's got dating a famous woman now and like that's

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Speaker 6: his story. Anthony Davis has never been an alpha leader. Right,

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Speaker 6: they don't have a leader.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, that's fair.

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Speaker 7: And without that, they're two and six. The vibes are dark,

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Speaker 7: Like who's that practice, Let's go Fellas and who who's

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Speaker 7: the hype guy, the energy guy?

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Speaker 6: Maybe that's Kyrie when he comes back in five months.

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Speaker 6: I think it's over this season for now. I know

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Speaker 6: it's dramatic, Jason too early. You just watched them and

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Speaker 6: you're like, this is not a playoff team. Especially in

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Speaker 6: the Western Conference.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you're probably not wrong. I mean I probably I

668
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Speaker 2: really like the front line. Cooper Flagg's had one bad game,

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Speaker 2: otherwise he's he's a good player.

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Speaker 6: So remember all the talk over with Lebron and go

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Speaker 6: to the Mavericks, you know, play with Kyrie and no,

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Speaker 6: no shot. Lebron's on a winning team. The MAVs they're

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Speaker 6: not winning, by the way. Laker's dodged a bullet with

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Speaker 6: Klay Thompson. Remember how laker land out here. We gotta

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Speaker 6: get Klay, come on, bring him in.

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Speaker 7: They got lucky. Everybody likes Clay Thompson. Nice guy.

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Speaker 4: He's a great guy. So J Mack with a news.

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Speaker 3: Well that's the news, and thanks for stopping by the herd.

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Speaker 4: Line Meyer last hour. J Max got his picks.

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Speaker 2: You've had a very good year, by the way, So

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Speaker 2: uh that Mike Say had an earlier comment which I

682
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Speaker 2: totally agree with.

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Speaker 4: You start looking at the playoff pictures now it's NFC.

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Speaker 2: I buy AFC nonsense that Denver can't end up a

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Speaker 2: number one seed. Can't You cannot have more three and

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Speaker 2: out than the Titans and more punch than Cleveland and

687
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Speaker 2: be a number one seed.

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Speaker 4: In La, It's the Herd.

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Speaker 3: Be sure to catch live editions of The Herd weekdays

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Speaker 3: in noon eastern nine am Pacific on Fox Sports Radio

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Speaker 3: FS one and the iHeartRadio app.

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Speaker 6: Start your Saturday strong with the Unstoppable second ranked Toooziers.

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Speaker 6: All eyes are on Fernando Mendoza as he leads Indiana

694
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Speaker 6: and continues his Heisman campaign against Penn State. It all

695
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Speaker 6: starts with Big Noon kickoff at ten am Eastern. Then

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Speaker 6: it's Indiana Penn State, Big Noon Saturday only on Fox.

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Speaker 4: So right now, Denver.

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Speaker 2: And that was an inartistic windy mess. Is the number

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Speaker 2: one seed in the af Seed, the conference of Mahall

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Speaker 2: and Josh Allen and Lamar and Herbert, and they lead

701
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Speaker 2: the NFL and punts. It's brutal. Here's Sean Payton discussing

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Speaker 2: last night's mess.

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Speaker 12: So you're asking my comfortable as a coach, We're never satisfied.

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Speaker 12: If my answer were to you, I'm comfortable, that'd be silly.

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Speaker 12: Right now. You know, we're teams sitting at eight wins.

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Speaker 12: I think we're the only team sitting there, so and

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Speaker 12: yet we're constantly looking internally starting you know, But that

708
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Speaker 12: was it was a tough night offensively obviously.

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Speaker 2: So I I nothing looked good. So and this is

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Speaker 2: a number one offensive line in football according to PFFS,

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Speaker 2: so they're a number one seed. Next up Kansas City

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Speaker 2: Chiefs off of by all, take Kansas City regardless of

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Speaker 2: the line. Here's the current AFC playoff picture. So Denver's

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Speaker 2: a number one seed. They only give out one buy

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Speaker 2: Now in each conference, seven seated Jags would take on

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Speaker 2: the Colts in Indianapolis the two seed. The third seeded

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Speaker 2: Patriots would host the sixth seeded Chargers, and then Buffalo

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Speaker 2: of five seed would host Pittsburgh a four seed. Now

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Speaker 2: nobody loves the Bolts Harbaugh Herbert like me, but they

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Speaker 2: don't have their offensive tackles. I don't think that works.

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Speaker 2: And I wouldn't trust the Jags to park my car.

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Speaker 2: And you can buy into the crypto Colts all go

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Speaker 2: with a real equity. So I'll put Kansas City to

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Speaker 2: replace the Jags as a wild card team. I trust

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Speaker 2: Andy Reid, Mahomes and Spags the Ravens to replace the Chargers,

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Speaker 2: even though the records right now don't feel that way.

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Speaker 2: But and then I'll take Buffalo and Pittsburgh to remain

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Speaker 2: the same. I don't know what Pittsburgh is gonna do.

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Speaker 2: Let's just make these two moves. So then I believe

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Speaker 2: the winners are Kansas City over the Colts, Baltimore over

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Speaker 2: New England, and Buffalo. So the road teams with the

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Speaker 2: Hall of Fame quarterbacks all win. Then Kansas City would

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Speaker 2: go to Denver and I would take Kansas City, and

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Speaker 2: I think I would take Josh Allen over Lamar, so

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Speaker 2: it would be Josh Allen and Mahomes again meeting for

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Speaker 2: the AFC Championship in Buffalo.

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Speaker 6: Hold on, let me add something. So I got to

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Speaker 6: look this up just to make sure Colin that Chiefs

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Speaker 6: Colts game is interesting. Indianapolis should be at home. I

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Speaker 6: believe their defensive coordinator is Lou Amaruno is Yes, yeah, consent.

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Speaker 6: He's the one who hatched that great plan against Mahomes

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Speaker 6: in the playoffs when the Bengals took them down, and

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Speaker 6: now he adds Sauce Gardner to the mix.

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Speaker 7: That's interest. That would be a good game.

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Speaker 6: I think, you know, Kansas City probably would be favored

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Speaker 6: by three three.

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Speaker 2: And a half if you go to the NFC playoff picture.

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Speaker 2: I mostly buy it. Maybe the Bears will sneak in.

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Speaker 2: But we said this before the year. The AFC is

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Speaker 2: better at the top, but it's middle and bottom looks

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Speaker 2: like the NBA Eastern Conference. The NFC doesn't have a

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Speaker 2: really bad bottom outside of like the Saints. I mean,

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Speaker 2: Carolina has got They just beat Green Bay at Lambeau.

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Speaker 2: So the bottom of the end of Arizona just Clapper Dallas.

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Speaker 2: So when I look at the NFC playoff picture Philly, Tampa, Seattle,

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Speaker 2: Green Bay, Rams, Niners, Lions, Bears, there's stuff I like

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Speaker 2: about all those teams I even trusted. I think Chicago

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Speaker 2: at this point we know what they are. They're not

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Speaker 2: very good eventually. AFC, I think the culture a little overvalued.

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Speaker 2: They're more regular season than postseason team. New England's a

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Speaker 2: great story.

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Speaker 4: I don't know if.

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Speaker 2: They're gonna win a playoff game against an elite quarterback.

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Speaker 2: Pittsburgh's what Pittsburgh gets. Chargers all beat up. Don't trust

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Speaker 2: the Jags. So I think the AFC has got all

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Speaker 2: sorts of changes and the big dogs will come roaring

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Speaker 2: back in the next you know.

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Speaker 4: Eight weeks.

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Speaker 2: But I'll tell you there's nothing that There's nobody in

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Speaker 2: the NFC outside of the Bears, who I think will change.

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Speaker 2: I think the Bears could end up like supplanting San

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Speaker 2: Francisco as a wild card team.

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Speaker 4: I don't think the Bears are gonna win their division.

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Speaker 6: We'll see if who comes back for the Niners. This

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Speaker 6: is fascinating coin Look at the top four of the

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Speaker 6: AFC and NFC. Okay, Broncos cold weather in January, outdoors,

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Speaker 6: colds Dome, Patriots, cold outside, Pittsburgh, cold outside, NFC Philly

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Speaker 6: cold outside in January, Tampa probably warmed.

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Speaker 7: Seattle's gonna be cold. You know that's messy, messy.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, and Green Bay the tundra you better be able

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Speaker 6: to travel with that defense in run game is gonna

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Speaker 6: be huge in January.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, No, there's no question. It also shows you, and

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Speaker 2: this has been true forever. There's never been a dome

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Speaker 2: dynasty in the NFL. There's never been a warm weather dynasty.

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Speaker 2: Think about that, Cowboys, is that warm weather?

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Speaker 7: Nineties?

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Speaker 4: Dallas winters are cold.

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Speaker 2: It's it's not When I say warm weather, I'm talking

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Speaker 2: La Florida, Arizona, all the Florida teams. New Orleans is

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Speaker 2: warm weather. AFC, AFC South, NFC South that right, but

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Speaker 2: there's never been the dynasties in my life. Are Pittsburgh outdoors?

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Speaker 7: Yeah?

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Speaker 4: Okay, New England, Kansas City?

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Speaker 2: Again, you could say, what about San Francisco here, what's

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Speaker 2: the old joke that the the coldest winner I ever

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Speaker 2: spent was the summer in San Francisco. So San Francisco's

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Speaker 2: foggy and can be you know, it could be cold.

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Speaker 2: I guess San Francisco would qualify as the warm weather

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Speaker 2: dynasty in the NFL. Well, but my point is this

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Speaker 2: league is a Thanksgiving on league.

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Speaker 4: It is a cold weather leave. Go back to bart Starr.

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Speaker 2: I mean, go back all you want, you go back

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Speaker 2: to the Packers with Bart Starr. You know it just

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Speaker 2: it's been a lot of I mean, look at that.

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Speaker 2: If I said to you, best teams over the last

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Speaker 2: ten years in the NFL Baltimore, Green Bay, Kansas City,

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Speaker 2: New England. The Steelers have been very good, Seattle has

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Speaker 2: been well run.

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Speaker 6: Even Peyton Manning with the dome in Indy could not

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Speaker 6: really generate.

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Speaker 2: It unt anyway he got yeah, I mean he had

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Speaker 2: one Super Bowl in Indye. Yeah, So the disadvantage to

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Speaker 2: warm weather and dome you get very comfortable I can

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Speaker 2: remember the Dan FOUPs game. Dan Fouts was an amazing quarterback,

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Speaker 2: goes to Cincinnati. It's like nine degrees and all the

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Speaker 2: San Diego guys. But there is some value in playing

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Speaker 2: in crappy weather and having a rough, relentless, harsh media.

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Speaker 2: Now I will say the rare discomfort League not a

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Speaker 2: comfort league.

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Speaker 6: So this Rams team, because you know, this defense is

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Speaker 6: nasty and they have a run game and a great coach.

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Speaker 6: I think they can handle outdoor weather in junue. I

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Speaker 6: think the Rams will be okay, right, would you agree?

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Speaker 4: Okay?

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Speaker 7: Hurt also he could play in the Element.

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Speaker 4: No, no, no, he did.

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Speaker 2: But I think the point is if you look at

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Speaker 2: this last thirty four years in the NFL, these cold

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Speaker 2: weather December January decides this league, look at the teams

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Speaker 2: that continue to dominate the cold weather club.

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Speaker 6: As a Jets fan, I got to look up Mendoza. Now,

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Speaker 6: can he play in cold weather?

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Speaker 2: Well?

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Speaker 7: In me, he's our pick, he's our guy.

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Speaker 4: Pretty frigid.

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Speaker 2: I think Mendoza and Dante Moore are going to go

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Speaker 2: one and two. That's my guess. Urban Meyer coming up

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Speaker 2: next down