1 00:00:03,120 --> 00:00:07,440 Speaker 1: Broadcasting live to New York, Bloomberg eleven rio to Washington, 2 00:00:07,520 --> 00:00:12,560 Speaker 1: d C, Bloomberg to Boston, Bloomberg twelve hundreds to San Francisco, 3 00:00:12,680 --> 00:00:17,640 Speaker 1: Bloomberg nine to the countries at General one, and around 4 00:00:17,680 --> 00:00:20,919 Speaker 1: the globe the Bloomberg Radio plus DApp and Bloomberg dot Com. 5 00:00:21,320 --> 00:00:25,480 Speaker 1: This is Taking Stock, coming up on Taking Stock. Supply 6 00:00:25,760 --> 00:00:30,080 Speaker 1: and demand rule the day. US debt increasingly the only 7 00:00:30,120 --> 00:00:34,160 Speaker 1: debt available with a plus side yield. We'll talk about 8 00:00:34,440 --> 00:00:37,879 Speaker 1: US debt and the demand for U. S. Treasuries, and 9 00:00:37,920 --> 00:00:39,440 Speaker 1: then later in the half hour, we're going to look 10 00:00:39,440 --> 00:00:42,120 Speaker 1: at the stock market jobs report, hitting it square in 11 00:00:42,120 --> 00:00:44,240 Speaker 1: the nose. We're gonna find out what's next for stocks 12 00:00:44,320 --> 00:00:47,000 Speaker 1: as well. Now let's go to Charlie Pellett. He's in 13 00:00:47,000 --> 00:00:49,279 Speaker 1: the Newstom with the Bloomberg Business Flash, and I thank 14 00:00:49,320 --> 00:00:51,880 Speaker 1: you Kathleen, thank you him. Let us begin with crude oil. 15 00:00:51,960 --> 00:00:55,680 Speaker 1: Oil explorers put drilling rigs back to work in US 16 00:00:55,800 --> 00:00:59,040 Speaker 1: fields for only the second time this year. The supply 17 00:00:59,080 --> 00:01:03,040 Speaker 1: and demand began to come closer into balance. Baker Hughes said. 18 00:01:03,120 --> 00:01:06,880 Speaker 1: Riggs targeting crude rose by nine to three twenty five 19 00:01:07,240 --> 00:01:10,440 Speaker 1: after two were dropped last week. Crude oil today is 20 00:01:10,480 --> 00:01:14,920 Speaker 1: down forty two cents. West Texas Intermediate seventy apparel, a 21 00:01:15,040 --> 00:01:18,360 Speaker 1: drop there of nine tenths of one percent. The argument 22 00:01:18,440 --> 00:01:21,200 Speaker 1: for a June interest rate hike from the Federal Reserve 23 00:01:21,319 --> 00:01:25,639 Speaker 1: has evaporated. After today's jobs report. The US economy added 24 00:01:25,880 --> 00:01:29,240 Speaker 1: just thirty eight thousand new jobs. The unemployment rate fell 25 00:01:29,319 --> 00:01:32,600 Speaker 1: to four point seven percent in May from five percent 26 00:01:32,680 --> 00:01:37,200 Speaker 1: the month before. Walmart shareholders are meeting today. Bloomberg's Shannon 27 00:01:37,280 --> 00:01:40,800 Speaker 1: Petty pieces covering the gathering in Fidville, Arkansas, and we 28 00:01:40,840 --> 00:01:44,480 Speaker 1: asked her about the implications of today's jobs report on 29 00:01:44,720 --> 00:01:48,280 Speaker 1: walmart sleet. It never looks good for a company when 30 00:01:48,360 --> 00:01:50,600 Speaker 1: people are out of work, when people have less money 31 00:01:50,640 --> 00:01:54,040 Speaker 1: in their pocket. But Walmart historically done very well in 32 00:01:54,080 --> 00:01:57,280 Speaker 1: a down market. Earlier this year, They're stock did really well. 33 00:01:57,320 --> 00:01:59,400 Speaker 1: When we were there were all these jitters. If we're 34 00:01:59,440 --> 00:02:01,680 Speaker 1: entering another a recession, I'm looking at their stock today, 35 00:02:01,840 --> 00:02:04,000 Speaker 1: it's not really down that much. The company has a 36 00:02:04,080 --> 00:02:07,480 Speaker 1: defensive play because as people see their way just get down, 37 00:02:07,520 --> 00:02:09,920 Speaker 1: they get worried about their job security, they trade down. 38 00:02:09,960 --> 00:02:13,000 Speaker 1: They look to a retailers like Walmart, Dollar General, Um 39 00:02:13,040 --> 00:02:16,280 Speaker 1: Aldia rather than Macy's Target Nords from those are the 40 00:02:16,280 --> 00:02:18,400 Speaker 1: companies you're going to see more jitters about here the 41 00:02:18,520 --> 00:02:22,280 Speaker 1: ten year up, thirty second Zeal There one point seven percent, 42 00:02:22,400 --> 00:02:25,720 Speaker 1: gold surging thirty two dollars y ounce to twelve forty four, 43 00:02:25,919 --> 00:02:28,959 Speaker 1: a gain of two point six SMP down four to 44 00:02:29,800 --> 00:02:32,160 Speaker 1: want to drop a point two percent. We're brought to 45 00:02:32,160 --> 00:02:36,000 Speaker 1: you by Brown University. 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Chicago's troubled 54 00:03:04,080 --> 00:03:07,280 Speaker 1: police Department is releasing three hundred video clips from about 55 00:03:07,320 --> 00:03:10,600 Speaker 1: one hundred incidents. Under a new policy, the department will 56 00:03:10,600 --> 00:03:13,800 Speaker 1: release any videos of a police encounter within sixty days 57 00:03:13,800 --> 00:03:16,519 Speaker 1: of the incident. It is the city's latest attempt to 58 00:03:16,560 --> 00:03:20,240 Speaker 1: regain public trust in its local law enforcement. Sharon Fairley 59 00:03:20,400 --> 00:03:23,959 Speaker 1: is the chief administrator of Chicago's Independent Police Review Authority. 60 00:03:24,080 --> 00:03:28,600 Speaker 1: Those include officer involved shootings, any discharge of a taser 61 00:03:29,000 --> 00:03:32,239 Speaker 1: and that results in death or great bodily harm, and 62 00:03:32,400 --> 00:03:36,120 Speaker 1: incidents that occurrent police custody that resolved, and death or 63 00:03:36,160 --> 00:03:39,440 Speaker 1: great bodily harm to a citizen. The Police Union opposes 64 00:03:39,480 --> 00:03:42,240 Speaker 1: the policy, saying the videos don't tell the entire story. 65 00:03:42,640 --> 00:03:45,160 Speaker 1: Mayor Ram Emmanuel says there's a lot more work to 66 00:03:45,240 --> 00:03:48,360 Speaker 1: do on the issue of transparency. Nearly the entire half 67 00:03:48,400 --> 00:03:51,040 Speaker 1: of Texas is under a flash flood watch or warning. 68 00:03:51,280 --> 00:03:54,040 Speaker 1: Days of heavy rains are lingering in creeks and reverse 69 00:03:54,400 --> 00:03:56,800 Speaker 1: and storms off the Gulf of Mexico are threatening to 70 00:03:56,880 --> 00:04:00,839 Speaker 1: worsen flooding. Near Houston. Three Texas prisons how been evacuated. 71 00:04:01,160 --> 00:04:04,840 Speaker 1: Texas Governor Greg Abbott is visiting the area today. Michelle 72 00:04:04,880 --> 00:04:08,240 Speaker 1: Obama delivered her final commencement speech as first Lady today. 73 00:04:08,440 --> 00:04:10,720 Speaker 1: She was at City College, where she addressed more than 74 00:04:10,760 --> 00:04:14,680 Speaker 1: three thousand members of the class of Mrs. Obama also 75 00:04:14,720 --> 00:04:17,240 Speaker 1: received an honorary Doctorate of Humane Letters from the one 76 00:04:17,440 --> 00:04:21,200 Speaker 1: D sixty nine year old public institution Global News twenty 77 00:04:21,200 --> 00:04:23,239 Speaker 1: four hours a day, powered by our twenty four hundred 78 00:04:23,279 --> 00:04:25,679 Speaker 1: journalists and more than one hundred fifty news bureaus around 79 00:04:25,680 --> 00:04:29,400 Speaker 1: the world. From the Bloomberg Newsroom, I'm Scarlett Food, Charlie, 80 00:04:30,880 --> 00:04:33,560 Speaker 1: and we thank you and again recapping the SMP five 81 00:04:33,960 --> 00:04:37,640 Speaker 1: index down four points now to one d a drop 82 00:04:37,720 --> 00:04:41,159 Speaker 1: of two tenths of one percent. I'm Charlie Peloton. That's 83 00:04:41,200 --> 00:04:45,599 Speaker 1: a Bloomberg business flash you're listening to taking stock with 84 00:04:45,720 --> 00:04:50,760 Speaker 1: bio Box and Kathleen Hayes on Bloomberg Radio. Debt. US 85 00:04:50,880 --> 00:04:55,280 Speaker 1: treasury debt. Consider this. There is about forty trillion dollars 86 00:04:55,320 --> 00:05:00,160 Speaker 1: worth of outstanding debt among the G ten nations. How 87 00:05:00,240 --> 00:05:04,160 Speaker 1: much of that can be found in US bills and notes? Well, 88 00:05:04,200 --> 00:05:07,920 Speaker 1: of the thirty five percent that isn't overseas, about six 89 00:05:08,480 --> 00:05:10,240 Speaker 1: of it is in the United States. Let's find out 90 00:05:10,279 --> 00:05:12,720 Speaker 1: more from George Canvas. He is the head of the 91 00:05:12,839 --> 00:05:16,360 Speaker 1: United States interest rates strategy at Nomura Securities. George, thanks 92 00:05:16,440 --> 00:05:18,600 Speaker 1: very much for being with us, Thanks for having me 93 00:05:18,720 --> 00:05:20,880 Speaker 1: so I pick on this issue having to do with 94 00:05:20,960 --> 00:05:24,960 Speaker 1: the negative yields because about thirty of all the outstanding 95 00:05:25,000 --> 00:05:28,360 Speaker 1: debt in these G ten nations bears a negative yield, 96 00:05:28,720 --> 00:05:32,480 Speaker 1: is that what continues to entice investors to buy US treasuries, 97 00:05:32,480 --> 00:05:35,039 Speaker 1: particularly at the short end of the curve. But I 98 00:05:35,080 --> 00:05:38,039 Speaker 1: think there's a combination of what we saw today in 99 00:05:38,080 --> 00:05:40,640 Speaker 1: the data for the metals obviously are still not strong 100 00:05:40,760 --> 00:05:43,360 Speaker 1: enough for the FETE to really embark in a fast 101 00:05:43,440 --> 00:05:46,600 Speaker 1: hiking campaign, and that, you know, further lends itself for 102 00:05:46,720 --> 00:05:48,720 Speaker 1: people to be comfortable holding the front ends of the 103 00:05:48,760 --> 00:05:51,960 Speaker 1: yield curve. But you're absolutely right, the fact that you 104 00:05:52,000 --> 00:05:55,719 Speaker 1: know global rates are lower, in many cases negative really 105 00:05:55,760 --> 00:05:57,720 Speaker 1: makes our paper attractive. And so I think that the 106 00:05:57,839 --> 00:05:59,919 Speaker 1: anchoring effect that which is been with us really since 107 00:06:00,400 --> 00:06:04,040 Speaker 1: the b o J and the ECP started these massive 108 00:06:04,080 --> 00:06:06,760 Speaker 1: q programs in negative rate stories for the last couple 109 00:06:06,760 --> 00:06:09,720 Speaker 1: of quarters, has really helped our paper trade well. And 110 00:06:09,760 --> 00:06:11,560 Speaker 1: in fact, that's probably one of the reasons why the 111 00:06:11,880 --> 00:06:15,240 Speaker 1: tenure note has stayed in this range right Actually today 112 00:06:15,240 --> 00:06:16,800 Speaker 1: it's a one point seven. Oh so it's if you 113 00:06:16,880 --> 00:06:18,480 Speaker 1: thought the bottom of the range is one point seven 114 00:06:18,520 --> 00:06:20,760 Speaker 1: five in the top was two, it's it's broken through 115 00:06:20,760 --> 00:06:25,200 Speaker 1: that again. Uh, what about that? Is the if the 116 00:06:25,240 --> 00:06:27,360 Speaker 1: if the economies is weakening we know it was only 117 00:06:27,400 --> 00:06:31,720 Speaker 1: one job support thirty eight thousand net new jobs. Maybe 118 00:06:31,720 --> 00:06:33,880 Speaker 1: it gets revised up, maybe the next one goes up 119 00:06:33,880 --> 00:06:35,599 Speaker 1: closer to two hundred thousand. And this is a fluke. 120 00:06:35,680 --> 00:06:37,800 Speaker 1: But if it's not, does that mean that this rally 121 00:06:37,839 --> 00:06:40,840 Speaker 1: continues even at the long end. Could that tenure note 122 00:06:41,120 --> 00:06:43,640 Speaker 1: break below one point seven towards one point six or 123 00:06:43,640 --> 00:06:46,000 Speaker 1: one point five. It's possible, man, I think you have 124 00:06:46,040 --> 00:06:48,680 Speaker 1: to take a step back and realize that. Yeah, the 125 00:06:48,720 --> 00:06:51,640 Speaker 1: first the first initial move this morning was a steepening 126 00:06:51,680 --> 00:06:54,560 Speaker 1: of the curve where the actual fund end shorter dated 127 00:06:54,720 --> 00:06:57,719 Speaker 1: securities did better. Brought out the course of the day, 128 00:06:58,200 --> 00:07:00,640 Speaker 1: ten your treasures are now downtown basis points and as 129 00:07:00,640 --> 00:07:03,080 Speaker 1: you said, through one seventy five and we kind of 130 00:07:03,080 --> 00:07:05,120 Speaker 1: look at a broader range. We've been really stuck between 131 00:07:05,160 --> 00:07:07,280 Speaker 1: a one fifty two percent. I mean, it's a I 132 00:07:07,279 --> 00:07:11,240 Speaker 1: think like the levels where people either find interest or 133 00:07:11,400 --> 00:07:14,360 Speaker 1: start to get get um concerned about the market's game 134 00:07:14,640 --> 00:07:16,960 Speaker 1: too rich. But I think you know there's definitely scope 135 00:07:17,000 --> 00:07:18,960 Speaker 1: for a slightly little lower yields from here. And I 136 00:07:19,000 --> 00:07:21,600 Speaker 1: think you know, although the jobs data, you know this 137 00:07:21,640 --> 00:07:24,160 Speaker 1: is one that print. I mean, the backward revisions were 138 00:07:24,160 --> 00:07:27,360 Speaker 1: not great and definitely doesn't suggest that there's momentum. In fact, 139 00:07:27,800 --> 00:07:30,680 Speaker 1: that were revised down, and it's typically not customary to 140 00:07:30,720 --> 00:07:33,360 Speaker 1: see the revisions up again after such backward revisions were 141 00:07:33,360 --> 00:07:35,920 Speaker 1: put down, and the weak print like this, so in 142 00:07:36,000 --> 00:07:38,520 Speaker 1: jobs data typically the lagging indicator. It looks like it's 143 00:07:38,520 --> 00:07:40,480 Speaker 1: caught up with the weakness in the mixed economy that 144 00:07:40,520 --> 00:07:43,360 Speaker 1: we've had all throughout Q one and Q two. George, 145 00:07:43,400 --> 00:07:45,600 Speaker 1: I'm going to bring up a corporate bond issue just 146 00:07:45,680 --> 00:07:49,040 Speaker 1: to maybe add some context to this. Bank of America 147 00:07:49,120 --> 00:07:53,880 Speaker 1: recently issued a one billion dollar bond priced in yen, 148 00:07:54,360 --> 00:07:59,800 Speaker 1: designed obviously for Japanese investors. The coupon was zero points 149 00:08:00,040 --> 00:08:04,960 Speaker 1: re nine per cent. And this seems to be appearing 150 00:08:05,280 --> 00:08:07,760 Speaker 1: what regardless of the risk, because I mean movies SMP 151 00:08:08,200 --> 00:08:10,960 Speaker 1: they've both given Bank of America the third lowest investment 152 00:08:11,000 --> 00:08:15,000 Speaker 1: grade score. Are these European and Japanese pension funds or 153 00:08:15,040 --> 00:08:17,560 Speaker 1: anyone looking for positive deal, They're can get hurt later. 154 00:08:18,840 --> 00:08:20,960 Speaker 1: Look I think, um when you look at it from 155 00:08:20,960 --> 00:08:25,800 Speaker 1: a local currency domination, and those are very unique issues. Uh. 156 00:08:26,080 --> 00:08:28,520 Speaker 1: In general, I mean this low rate environment, you know, 157 00:08:28,600 --> 00:08:32,880 Speaker 1: eventually will is coiling up for some sort of repricing 158 00:08:32,880 --> 00:08:34,720 Speaker 1: in the future. But in order for that to really happen, 159 00:08:34,760 --> 00:08:37,920 Speaker 1: we need to see an impulse higher in inflation. It 160 00:08:38,000 --> 00:08:40,439 Speaker 1: really started hopefully in the US, and you would hope 161 00:08:40,480 --> 00:08:42,840 Speaker 1: that Japan and in Europe can get some some action 162 00:08:42,920 --> 00:08:46,040 Speaker 1: there as well. So unfortunately, you know, the deflationary tides 163 00:08:46,080 --> 00:08:48,880 Speaker 1: have been strong, and and really fixt income has been 164 00:08:48,880 --> 00:08:51,760 Speaker 1: supported by all that and all these flows in combination. 165 00:08:51,920 --> 00:08:54,240 Speaker 1: It's at some point there will be a day of 166 00:08:54,280 --> 00:08:56,440 Speaker 1: recomming for the bomb market, just the people have been 167 00:08:56,480 --> 00:08:59,040 Speaker 1: calling for for the last seven years and have missed 168 00:08:59,040 --> 00:09:01,160 Speaker 1: out a lot of opportunities. Well, so I think that 169 00:09:01,240 --> 00:09:06,840 Speaker 1: stuff the real issue here. Jenny Allen speaks on Monday, George, 170 00:09:07,040 --> 00:09:08,560 Speaker 1: and I know you and your team where you're all 171 00:09:08,600 --> 00:09:11,000 Speaker 1: you're all ready for that job support today. What are 172 00:09:11,000 --> 00:09:12,840 Speaker 1: you looking for on Monday? Is? Is is it all 173 00:09:12,880 --> 00:09:14,480 Speaker 1: kind of priced in? Now? Does it not matter what 174 00:09:14,600 --> 00:09:16,600 Speaker 1: she says? Because this jobs report was so weak, you say, hey, 175 00:09:16,679 --> 00:09:21,280 Speaker 1: June's off the table, maybe July two or not. Look, 176 00:09:21,320 --> 00:09:23,959 Speaker 1: I think June is now clearly off the table. I 177 00:09:24,520 --> 00:09:26,480 Speaker 1: think the best that we can expect for is just 178 00:09:26,520 --> 00:09:29,880 Speaker 1: to kind of see some qualifiers of why you know, 179 00:09:30,080 --> 00:09:33,760 Speaker 1: this sort of slowdowns happening, But yet how come they've 180 00:09:33,840 --> 00:09:36,040 Speaker 1: lowered their bar I mean, the last two or three 181 00:09:36,040 --> 00:09:37,960 Speaker 1: weeks they went on us almost on a land page 182 00:09:38,000 --> 00:09:40,800 Speaker 1: of Sammy Hawker's that they were trying to push back 183 00:09:40,800 --> 00:09:42,599 Speaker 1: on the market and really challenged the market because the 184 00:09:42,600 --> 00:09:45,480 Speaker 1: market was basically pressing them out all throughout this year. 185 00:09:45,840 --> 00:09:47,920 Speaker 1: They managed to get probabilities back up again, but then 186 00:09:47,920 --> 00:09:51,000 Speaker 1: the data hasn't cooperated. I think like that the challenge 187 00:09:51,040 --> 00:09:53,599 Speaker 1: will be to, you know, to make the case that 188 00:09:53,679 --> 00:09:56,559 Speaker 1: they're still engaged, that the the their hurdle rate is 189 00:09:56,559 --> 00:09:59,720 Speaker 1: probably lower, But is it thirty eight thousand? I highly doubted. 190 00:09:59,760 --> 00:10:01,920 Speaker 1: I I think because most likely they'd like to see, 191 00:10:01,960 --> 00:10:04,880 Speaker 1: you know, jobs bounced back in the hundred hundred fifty range, 192 00:10:05,280 --> 00:10:08,120 Speaker 1: maybe comfortable hiking if that's the case. But I don't 193 00:10:08,160 --> 00:10:09,640 Speaker 1: think that, you know, what we should expect from her 194 00:10:09,640 --> 00:10:12,200 Speaker 1: on Monday, you know, I don't think a complete one 195 00:10:12,240 --> 00:10:14,120 Speaker 1: eight because I think they they they kind of now 196 00:10:14,559 --> 00:10:17,200 Speaker 1: boxed themselves in a little bit by by sounding so hawkers. 197 00:10:17,280 --> 00:10:19,720 Speaker 1: I think what we should expect is like, look, they're 198 00:10:19,800 --> 00:10:22,839 Speaker 1: they're mindful of the outlook. They know there's some risks 199 00:10:22,840 --> 00:10:26,800 Speaker 1: around the UK referendum. They're gonna at least sound positive 200 00:10:26,840 --> 00:10:29,160 Speaker 1: at the Tune meeting, but that the outlook looks better. 201 00:10:29,559 --> 00:10:31,440 Speaker 1: I think she has to deliver a message consistent with that, 202 00:10:31,440 --> 00:10:34,560 Speaker 1: because she's basically bridging the gap between recent Hawkers speech 203 00:10:34,640 --> 00:10:38,000 Speaker 1: and the upcoming meeting. George Gonkovis thank you so very 204 00:10:38,080 --> 00:10:40,720 Speaker 1: much for joining us on this Friday on taking Stock, 205 00:10:40,760 --> 00:10:43,559 Speaker 1: George's managing director and hit a US rate strategy and 206 00:10:43,600 --> 00:10:48,240 Speaker 1: more securities, saying the jobs report was a week indeed 207 00:10:48,400 --> 00:10:50,920 Speaker 1: one of the big reasons we see bond yields falling 208 00:10:51,040 --> 00:10:53,920 Speaker 1: even further today, rally at the short end as well. 209 00:10:54,000 --> 00:11:02,000 Speaker 1: This is taking Stock on Bloomberg Radio. Yeah, coming up 210 00:11:02,040 --> 00:11:05,679 Speaker 1: on taking Stock, Bank stocks, treasury yields, and the dollar 211 00:11:05,800 --> 00:11:09,480 Speaker 1: all dropped today after the week job's report. 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