1 00:00:00,840 --> 00:00:04,000 Speaker 1: You're listening to the Tutor Dixon Podcast in the Clay 2 00:00:04,120 --> 00:00:10,760 Speaker 1: and Buck podcast Network. Welcome to the Tutor Dixon Podcast. 3 00:00:10,840 --> 00:00:13,600 Speaker 1: I'm Tutor Dixon, and I'm glad you're here with me today. 4 00:00:14,200 --> 00:00:15,760 Speaker 1: As some of you may know, but some of you 5 00:00:15,840 --> 00:00:19,560 Speaker 1: might not know, Clay Travis and Buck Sexton actually encouraged 6 00:00:19,600 --> 00:00:21,680 Speaker 1: me to do this podcast, and I was a little 7 00:00:21,720 --> 00:00:24,040 Speaker 1: bit unsure of whether or not this is what I 8 00:00:24,040 --> 00:00:28,520 Speaker 1: wanted to do. But there's such awesome encouragers of free speech. 9 00:00:28,640 --> 00:00:32,560 Speaker 1: They've been champions of free speech with people really across 10 00:00:32,600 --> 00:00:35,560 Speaker 1: the country. They launched the Clay and Buck Network here 11 00:00:35,600 --> 00:00:38,920 Speaker 1: on iHeart, and they also have OutKick, and my guest 12 00:00:38,960 --> 00:00:43,720 Speaker 1: today is actually leaving ESPN to join OutKick, So welcome 13 00:00:43,840 --> 00:00:47,400 Speaker 1: to this side of the world. Charlie Arnald, thank you 14 00:00:47,479 --> 00:00:49,040 Speaker 1: so much for being on the podcast. 15 00:00:49,360 --> 00:00:50,400 Speaker 2: Teeter, thank you so much. 16 00:00:50,440 --> 00:00:53,120 Speaker 3: And you know what, the transition has already occurred. I 17 00:00:53,159 --> 00:00:57,320 Speaker 3: have left ESPN. I am out at OutKick, and already 18 00:00:57,720 --> 00:01:00,440 Speaker 3: only a weekend. I'm so happy that I made decision. 19 00:01:00,480 --> 00:01:02,200 Speaker 3: I can already tell it was the perfect. 20 00:01:01,880 --> 00:01:02,280 Speaker 2: One for me. 21 00:01:02,520 --> 00:01:05,280 Speaker 1: OutKick is getting bigger and bigger right now. We see 22 00:01:05,360 --> 00:01:08,360 Speaker 1: people going more and more to OutKick. I mean OutKick 23 00:01:08,400 --> 00:01:12,160 Speaker 1: started mostly as sports, there is the ability to obviously 24 00:01:12,319 --> 00:01:16,679 Speaker 1: speak about political issues. Is that why you decided that 25 00:01:16,880 --> 00:01:19,600 Speaker 1: OutKick was the place to go after ESPN? 26 00:01:20,160 --> 00:01:23,040 Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, there's so many different reasons why OutKick 27 00:01:23,080 --> 00:01:25,840 Speaker 3: was appealing to me, And I want to say that 28 00:01:25,959 --> 00:01:29,080 Speaker 3: Clay Travis was one of the large reasons why I'm 29 00:01:29,120 --> 00:01:32,320 Speaker 3: here today. Just like you said, it was your interactions 30 00:01:32,319 --> 00:01:35,200 Speaker 3: with him and Bach and in fact, I early on 31 00:01:35,720 --> 00:01:37,840 Speaker 3: when I was getting to learn about OutKick, This was 32 00:01:37,880 --> 00:01:39,880 Speaker 3: probably at this point, about six months ago, I had 33 00:01:39,959 --> 00:01:45,360 Speaker 3: dinner with Clay and Buck after being introduced to OutKick on. 34 00:01:45,360 --> 00:01:47,680 Speaker 2: A pretty introductory level, and the. 35 00:01:47,640 --> 00:01:49,520 Speaker 3: Things that they were saying about what they wanted the 36 00:01:49,520 --> 00:01:52,880 Speaker 3: network to be, what kind of talent they were looking for, 37 00:01:52,960 --> 00:01:56,080 Speaker 3: what they were encouraging from their talent, how the idea 38 00:01:56,120 --> 00:01:59,920 Speaker 3: of cancel culture didn't exist at OutKick, and Clay was, 39 00:02:00,880 --> 00:02:04,440 Speaker 3: you know, very steadfast when he told me, listen, if 40 00:02:04,560 --> 00:02:08,000 Speaker 3: something is said on OutKick and the talent stands behind it, 41 00:02:08,080 --> 00:02:12,320 Speaker 3: as long as they have done their research and there 42 00:02:12,360 --> 00:02:16,079 Speaker 3: are facts behind what they're saying, I will never ever 43 00:02:16,120 --> 00:02:19,160 Speaker 3: attempt to cancel anyone for standing up for what they 44 00:02:19,240 --> 00:02:20,400 Speaker 3: believe in and I know, did. 45 00:02:20,280 --> 00:02:22,760 Speaker 1: You feel like that was happening at ESPN? I mean, 46 00:02:22,760 --> 00:02:25,480 Speaker 1: this seems really important to you to not have that 47 00:02:25,639 --> 00:02:29,200 Speaker 1: threat looming over you. But we hear political statements from 48 00:02:29,480 --> 00:02:32,040 Speaker 1: ESPN all the time. So did you feel like there 49 00:02:32,120 --> 00:02:33,200 Speaker 1: was only one side? 50 00:02:33,440 --> 00:02:33,639 Speaker 2: Yeah? 51 00:02:33,680 --> 00:02:36,600 Speaker 3: Well, that's the thing is, there's so many issues in 52 00:02:36,639 --> 00:02:39,960 Speaker 3: sports that have now become politicized, whether or not we 53 00:02:40,000 --> 00:02:42,480 Speaker 3: want to admit it. We have seen so many different 54 00:02:42,560 --> 00:02:45,320 Speaker 3: sports just completely overrun by politics. 55 00:02:45,440 --> 00:02:48,560 Speaker 2: And it's not like they're directly. 56 00:02:48,160 --> 00:02:51,359 Speaker 3: Addressed, but they are because they're not talked about or 57 00:02:51,520 --> 00:02:55,079 Speaker 3: only one side of the argument is addressed. You know, 58 00:02:55,120 --> 00:02:57,640 Speaker 3: when you look at, for example, the trans issue, which 59 00:02:58,160 --> 00:02:59,560 Speaker 3: right now everyone's talking about. 60 00:03:00,800 --> 00:03:04,280 Speaker 2: ESPN always says, you know, we want to keep politics. 61 00:03:03,960 --> 00:03:07,240 Speaker 3: Out of our programming, but then on the same token, 62 00:03:07,360 --> 00:03:10,120 Speaker 3: during Women's Month, they ran a one minute tribute to 63 00:03:10,200 --> 00:03:12,000 Speaker 3: Leah Thomas, who is. 64 00:03:12,320 --> 00:03:14,400 Speaker 2: Not even a woman biologically. 65 00:03:14,480 --> 00:03:16,200 Speaker 3: So it just doesn't make sense when there are so 66 00:03:16,360 --> 00:03:21,240 Speaker 3: many incredible female athletes who have paved the way for 67 00:03:21,440 --> 00:03:23,960 Speaker 3: other females to do their things in the world of sports, 68 00:03:23,960 --> 00:03:26,000 Speaker 3: and just there's so many things that they should be 69 00:03:26,040 --> 00:03:28,800 Speaker 3: recognized for, and yet we're taking the time to recognize 70 00:03:28,800 --> 00:03:31,760 Speaker 3: a biological man for their success during Women's Month. 71 00:03:31,840 --> 00:03:33,120 Speaker 2: It just makes absolutely no sense. 72 00:03:33,160 --> 00:03:36,240 Speaker 3: But then again shows the rhetoric that ESPN is still 73 00:03:36,240 --> 00:03:36,839 Speaker 3: standing by. 74 00:03:37,320 --> 00:03:40,040 Speaker 1: And don't you think if you have an iconic company 75 00:03:40,240 --> 00:03:43,560 Speaker 1: like ESPN, I mean, really, this is the name of 76 00:03:43,680 --> 00:03:46,880 Speaker 1: sports that we've all known growing up and little girls 77 00:03:46,920 --> 00:03:49,880 Speaker 1: look up to, little boys look up to for little 78 00:03:49,920 --> 00:03:53,800 Speaker 1: girls to see. Instead of honoring a woman who's done 79 00:03:53,800 --> 00:03:57,680 Speaker 1: something incredible in sports, you're honoring a biological male, an 80 00:03:57,720 --> 00:04:01,000 Speaker 1: intact male, saying that he's a woman. And I mean 81 00:04:01,600 --> 00:04:04,240 Speaker 1: it's just kind of mind blowing. But don't you think 82 00:04:04,240 --> 00:04:08,160 Speaker 1: that when that happens, it changes culture. That ESPN has 83 00:04:08,200 --> 00:04:11,880 Speaker 1: the power to change culture and changed the way people think. 84 00:04:12,680 --> 00:04:13,280 Speaker 2: Absolutely. 85 00:04:13,960 --> 00:04:16,880 Speaker 3: I think that there's a lot of women who feel 86 00:04:16,920 --> 00:04:18,920 Speaker 3: this way too, they just can't speak up about it. 87 00:04:18,960 --> 00:04:22,080 Speaker 3: Since joining OutKick and announcing the news all my social 88 00:04:22,080 --> 00:04:25,479 Speaker 3: media channels, I have quietly heard from several of my 89 00:04:25,520 --> 00:04:28,080 Speaker 3: colleagues from ESPN who have said, thank you so much 90 00:04:28,120 --> 00:04:30,919 Speaker 3: for speaking up for those of us who can't. And 91 00:04:30,960 --> 00:04:33,120 Speaker 3: that's so encouraging because there is a swell occurring. 92 00:04:33,839 --> 00:04:37,000 Speaker 1: So when you see people getting fired on other networks. 93 00:04:37,400 --> 00:04:40,400 Speaker 1: Why do you think it is? I mean, over the 94 00:04:40,480 --> 00:04:44,560 Speaker 1: years for multiple forms of harassment, isn't this somewhat of 95 00:04:44,600 --> 00:04:47,600 Speaker 1: a form of harassment that women can't really speak their 96 00:04:47,839 --> 00:04:51,279 Speaker 1: minds when it comes to something so serious as their 97 00:04:51,360 --> 00:04:53,680 Speaker 1: achievements in sports? I mean, doesn't it kind of blow 98 00:04:53,720 --> 00:04:56,120 Speaker 1: your mind that people have to be so silent about this? 99 00:04:56,480 --> 00:04:58,200 Speaker 3: I mean absolutely, because when you look at the Me 100 00:04:58,240 --> 00:05:00,920 Speaker 3: Too movement, there were so many women for decades who 101 00:05:00,920 --> 00:05:03,960 Speaker 3: are unable to speak up about their instances of sexual 102 00:05:03,960 --> 00:05:08,040 Speaker 3: harassment or what may have been in their pasts. And 103 00:05:08,760 --> 00:05:10,720 Speaker 3: now it's like the same thing, Like women are suppressed, 104 00:05:10,720 --> 00:05:14,040 Speaker 3: they feel uncomfortable coming forward, So we're allowing something that's 105 00:05:14,120 --> 00:05:17,120 Speaker 3: very uncomfortable to persist and women there's nothing they can 106 00:05:17,160 --> 00:05:19,400 Speaker 3: do about it. And it's like, you know, the Me 107 00:05:19,480 --> 00:05:22,719 Speaker 3: Too moment was so celebrated by men and women alike, 108 00:05:22,839 --> 00:05:26,120 Speaker 3: yet here we are further into the future and it's 109 00:05:26,160 --> 00:05:28,680 Speaker 3: just another example of women not being being able to 110 00:05:28,680 --> 00:05:29,160 Speaker 3: speak up. 111 00:05:29,440 --> 00:05:31,719 Speaker 1: So what will you cover on al kik? How will 112 00:05:31,760 --> 00:05:34,200 Speaker 1: this change the way you talk about sports? 113 00:05:34,480 --> 00:05:37,640 Speaker 3: It's an alternative way to look at different issues, and 114 00:05:37,680 --> 00:05:41,239 Speaker 3: it's a way to cover both sides of issues at hand. 115 00:05:42,120 --> 00:05:46,880 Speaker 3: You know, I think that I have one opinion on matters, 116 00:05:46,880 --> 00:05:49,480 Speaker 3: but I'm open to hearing other opinions. I don't think 117 00:05:49,480 --> 00:05:52,719 Speaker 3: that there's room for only one opinion in each debate. 118 00:05:52,839 --> 00:05:54,720 Speaker 3: So I would love to have a platform where other 119 00:05:54,720 --> 00:05:57,479 Speaker 3: people can come share, you know, what their takes on 120 00:05:57,520 --> 00:06:00,240 Speaker 3: things are, and we can have an open discussion, which 121 00:06:00,279 --> 00:06:01,480 Speaker 3: I think right now is not happening. 122 00:06:01,560 --> 00:06:02,279 Speaker 2: In most places. 123 00:06:03,279 --> 00:06:07,320 Speaker 3: We'll see issues that just don't relate to sports, but 124 00:06:07,360 --> 00:06:09,640 Speaker 3: also just culture and society in general, because a lot 125 00:06:09,680 --> 00:06:12,080 Speaker 3: of those do end up spilling into the world of sports. 126 00:06:13,120 --> 00:06:16,839 Speaker 1: Of course. Yeah, we've seen President Trump go into fights 127 00:06:16,920 --> 00:06:20,000 Speaker 1: and people are like, oh, don't talk about this, don't 128 00:06:20,000 --> 00:06:24,400 Speaker 1: actually acknowledge. But he's incredibly popular. He was a former 129 00:06:24,440 --> 00:06:28,159 Speaker 1: president of the United States. Why is that something that 130 00:06:28,240 --> 00:06:31,880 Speaker 1: you can't celebrate that you have a former president. If 131 00:06:31,880 --> 00:06:34,720 Speaker 1: it were a George Bush, If for we're a Barack Obama, 132 00:06:34,760 --> 00:06:36,240 Speaker 1: how do you think it would be covered differently. 133 00:06:36,440 --> 00:06:39,080 Speaker 3: Yeah, Well, that's the thing is UFC has done something right. 134 00:06:39,120 --> 00:06:42,800 Speaker 3: You know, they have appealed to the voices you have 135 00:06:42,920 --> 00:06:43,840 Speaker 3: not been heard for. 136 00:06:43,800 --> 00:06:44,560 Speaker 2: So many years. 137 00:06:45,200 --> 00:06:48,400 Speaker 3: A lot of Trump's fan base who felt like they 138 00:06:48,440 --> 00:06:52,200 Speaker 3: hadn't been heard for years, and that's why there was 139 00:06:52,200 --> 00:06:55,640 Speaker 3: such an uproar when you know, it was Dana White 140 00:06:55,800 --> 00:06:58,960 Speaker 3: and President former President Trump and Kid Rock and Mike 141 00:06:59,000 --> 00:07:02,400 Speaker 3: Tyson's all sitting octagon side the other night. And I 142 00:07:02,400 --> 00:07:05,679 Speaker 3: think it's just a testament to what people are looking 143 00:07:05,720 --> 00:07:07,800 Speaker 3: for out of sports. You know, they want to feel 144 00:07:07,839 --> 00:07:11,680 Speaker 3: like sports is a reflection of who they are and 145 00:07:11,720 --> 00:07:13,240 Speaker 3: also what they're looking for because at the end of 146 00:07:13,280 --> 00:07:16,400 Speaker 3: the day, here's the thing. Politics is getting inserted into 147 00:07:16,680 --> 00:07:18,440 Speaker 3: every little thing that we do. I mean, it's a 148 00:07:18,440 --> 00:07:21,440 Speaker 3: part of our lives. Any you try to look this way, 149 00:07:21,680 --> 00:07:23,320 Speaker 3: it doesn't matter. You can't avoid it. You look the 150 00:07:23,360 --> 00:07:25,120 Speaker 3: other way, it doesn't matter. It can't be avoided. 151 00:07:25,800 --> 00:07:29,080 Speaker 2: Sports in politics don't need to go hand in hand. 152 00:07:29,240 --> 00:07:32,480 Speaker 3: You know, you've looked throughout history and sports have always 153 00:07:32,520 --> 00:07:40,080 Speaker 3: been an escape for people, right through wartime depressions, downturns 154 00:07:40,200 --> 00:07:43,720 Speaker 3: of every shape and form. The pandemic a big example recently, 155 00:07:44,120 --> 00:07:47,240 Speaker 3: and people returning to sports as a way to distract themselves. 156 00:07:47,760 --> 00:07:50,480 Speaker 3: Whereas now when they watch sports, they're still being confronted 157 00:07:50,520 --> 00:07:52,240 Speaker 3: with the same issues that they're trying to get away 158 00:07:52,240 --> 00:07:55,200 Speaker 3: from in everyday life. I mean, even if you look 159 00:07:55,200 --> 00:07:57,920 Speaker 3: at the NBA bubble right, I mean that was for 160 00:07:58,080 --> 00:08:00,200 Speaker 3: us sports fans, it was so exciting because we had 161 00:08:00,200 --> 00:08:04,160 Speaker 3: been craving sports and craving competition. We finally got what 162 00:08:04,280 --> 00:08:06,920 Speaker 3: was actually a really decent setup by the NBA. You know, 163 00:08:07,080 --> 00:08:09,280 Speaker 3: it was it was the best that they could do, 164 00:08:09,480 --> 00:08:12,440 Speaker 3: and it was it was actually the most competitive basketball 165 00:08:12,720 --> 00:08:14,120 Speaker 3: I had seen in a really long time. 166 00:08:14,160 --> 00:08:15,640 Speaker 2: I really enjoyed bubble play. 167 00:08:16,160 --> 00:08:18,760 Speaker 3: But that also, at the same time is when they 168 00:08:18,800 --> 00:08:25,440 Speaker 3: started doing all of the social justice implementations, whether it 169 00:08:25,560 --> 00:08:27,520 Speaker 3: being you know, stamping a. 170 00:08:27,480 --> 00:08:31,560 Speaker 2: Moniker on the court or allowing players to choose different 171 00:08:31,760 --> 00:08:33,720 Speaker 2: phrases for the backs of their jerseys. 172 00:08:34,000 --> 00:08:36,600 Speaker 3: And it's like, suddenly, we're not watching basketball, we're being 173 00:08:36,679 --> 00:08:40,559 Speaker 3: confronted with politics. And that's when some people started getting 174 00:08:40,640 --> 00:08:43,760 Speaker 3: very turned off of the NBA, and you did see 175 00:08:43,800 --> 00:08:46,440 Speaker 3: the numbers start to drop. And even as recently as 176 00:08:46,440 --> 00:08:49,600 Speaker 3: this week, Phil Jackson, who's a legend in the NBA, 177 00:08:50,240 --> 00:08:53,880 Speaker 3: He's won thirteen championships as both the player and coach, 178 00:08:54,440 --> 00:08:57,640 Speaker 3: he even said he doesn't watch the NBA anymore because 179 00:08:58,320 --> 00:09:00,920 Speaker 3: I didn't hear that, Yeah, because he just says it's 180 00:09:00,960 --> 00:09:03,400 Speaker 3: just too politicized now and it's gotten to a point 181 00:09:03,400 --> 00:09:06,640 Speaker 3: where it's uncomfortable for him, and it's uncomfortable for many fans, 182 00:09:07,160 --> 00:09:09,640 Speaker 3: and that's not what it's supposed to be. And for 183 00:09:09,679 --> 00:09:11,760 Speaker 3: a guy like Phil Jackson to say he doesn't watch 184 00:09:11,800 --> 00:09:14,959 Speaker 3: the NBA when he has been a huge part of 185 00:09:15,080 --> 00:09:17,840 Speaker 3: why the NBA is what it is today, is saying something. 186 00:09:17,960 --> 00:09:20,920 Speaker 1: Well, you said, something interesting. You said. For many of us, 187 00:09:21,200 --> 00:09:23,640 Speaker 1: sports is a reflection of who we are. And I 188 00:09:23,640 --> 00:09:27,960 Speaker 1: think that is the case for people who played soccer 189 00:09:28,000 --> 00:09:30,560 Speaker 1: when they were young, people who played football, people who 190 00:09:30,920 --> 00:09:33,200 Speaker 1: I think what people don't understand is that no matter 191 00:09:33,320 --> 00:09:36,280 Speaker 1: when you were connected to sports, that for a lot 192 00:09:36,280 --> 00:09:38,600 Speaker 1: of people is a lifelong connection. And I think that's 193 00:09:38,600 --> 00:09:41,600 Speaker 1: what we saw when we saw the football players starting 194 00:09:41,600 --> 00:09:45,520 Speaker 1: to kneel, and those people who saw football as a 195 00:09:45,520 --> 00:09:48,320 Speaker 1: reflection of them went well, wait, wait, no, this is 196 00:09:48,360 --> 00:09:51,040 Speaker 1: not who I am. Still patriotic, I still believe that 197 00:09:51,120 --> 00:09:53,880 Speaker 1: this country is a great place. We have flaws, but 198 00:09:54,000 --> 00:09:56,800 Speaker 1: we can work on them. And this was kind of 199 00:09:57,160 --> 00:10:01,000 Speaker 1: a statement, there's it's broken, there's no way to fix it. 200 00:10:01,040 --> 00:10:03,320 Speaker 1: We don't love it, and I think it turned so 201 00:10:03,400 --> 00:10:06,120 Speaker 1: many people off in that moment. They walked away. We 202 00:10:06,200 --> 00:10:10,000 Speaker 1: saw that the NFL started losing viewers and losing money. 203 00:10:10,760 --> 00:10:14,720 Speaker 1: Why they changed quickly. I think they came back and said, 204 00:10:14,760 --> 00:10:16,720 Speaker 1: you know what, we got to stop doing this or 205 00:10:16,840 --> 00:10:18,960 Speaker 1: the next season, we're not going to have any viewers, 206 00:10:19,480 --> 00:10:21,920 Speaker 1: and they brought their viewers back. Why wasn't that a 207 00:10:22,000 --> 00:10:23,760 Speaker 1: learning curve for the rest of sports. 208 00:10:23,880 --> 00:10:26,440 Speaker 3: I think it's because of the athletes themselves. I think 209 00:10:26,960 --> 00:10:30,160 Speaker 3: it's not about the leagues anymore. The players have a 210 00:10:30,200 --> 00:10:34,000 Speaker 3: lot of power. They continuously are gaining more power each 211 00:10:34,000 --> 00:10:34,640 Speaker 3: and every year. 212 00:10:35,360 --> 00:10:38,520 Speaker 2: I look at the NBA as the prime example of this. 213 00:10:38,920 --> 00:10:41,360 Speaker 3: You look at guys like Lebron James, who's going down 214 00:10:41,400 --> 00:10:42,800 Speaker 3: as one of the greatest players of all time, but 215 00:10:42,840 --> 00:10:45,680 Speaker 3: he also has made himself the poster child for many 216 00:10:45,720 --> 00:10:50,720 Speaker 3: social justice issues and teams and the league doesn't have 217 00:10:50,720 --> 00:10:53,960 Speaker 3: any control over that, and a lot of fans who 218 00:10:54,080 --> 00:10:58,199 Speaker 3: love Lebron James then become obsessed with the things that 219 00:10:58,240 --> 00:11:00,800 Speaker 3: he's tweeting and the things that he said, and so 220 00:11:00,840 --> 00:11:04,280 Speaker 3: it doesn't just become about sports todaymore it becomes about politics. 221 00:11:04,320 --> 00:11:06,960 Speaker 3: And you know, when you're in a locker room, it's 222 00:11:07,000 --> 00:11:09,360 Speaker 3: like your family. Like I grew up an athlete and 223 00:11:09,480 --> 00:11:12,439 Speaker 3: a lot of my teammates I looked at as family members, 224 00:11:12,960 --> 00:11:16,800 Speaker 3: and so your mind is hard not to be persuaded 225 00:11:16,880 --> 00:11:19,600 Speaker 3: in one certain way. When you're hearing one of your 226 00:11:19,640 --> 00:11:22,880 Speaker 3: best friends and teammates preaching an issue constantly and talking 227 00:11:22,880 --> 00:11:25,320 Speaker 3: about it and standing up for something, it starts almost 228 00:11:25,360 --> 00:11:27,440 Speaker 3: brainwashing you a little bit because you're around them so 229 00:11:27,520 --> 00:11:29,280 Speaker 3: much and you feel so close to them and you 230 00:11:29,320 --> 00:11:32,200 Speaker 3: trust them. So now it's like, you know, it's uncomfortable 231 00:11:32,200 --> 00:11:34,640 Speaker 3: then to take a different position. So now you're seeing 232 00:11:34,880 --> 00:11:37,280 Speaker 3: a lot of players going in one direction, whereas I'm 233 00:11:37,280 --> 00:11:39,280 Speaker 3: sure there's a lot of people who have different opinions 234 00:11:39,320 --> 00:11:41,559 Speaker 3: and would love to stand up for themselves. But if 235 00:11:41,559 --> 00:11:44,040 Speaker 3: you even look at the recent Phil Jackson issue of 236 00:11:44,160 --> 00:11:47,520 Speaker 3: him speaking up against the NBA, Jalen Rose, who is 237 00:11:47,600 --> 00:11:51,000 Speaker 3: a broadcaster for ESPN also longtime NBA player one of 238 00:11:51,040 --> 00:11:55,080 Speaker 3: the greats as well, called Phil Jackson a racist because 239 00:11:55,400 --> 00:11:57,679 Speaker 3: he said that, you know, you're just being being racist 240 00:11:57,679 --> 00:11:59,520 Speaker 3: by saying that politics should be kept out of the 241 00:11:59,600 --> 00:12:02,040 Speaker 3: NBA and you don't like watching the NBA anymore. 242 00:12:02,040 --> 00:12:04,400 Speaker 2: And Phil Jackson, I mean, look at what he's done. 243 00:12:04,640 --> 00:12:05,760 Speaker 2: He's clearly not a racist. 244 00:12:05,760 --> 00:12:09,080 Speaker 3: And I just think It's unfortunate because it dissuades so 245 00:12:09,160 --> 00:12:10,880 Speaker 3: many people from being able to speak their mind, because 246 00:12:10,920 --> 00:12:12,680 Speaker 3: no one wants to be called that's that's. 247 00:12:12,600 --> 00:12:15,520 Speaker 1: Hurtful, such a cruel word, but it's so effective at 248 00:12:15,520 --> 00:12:18,840 Speaker 1: silencing people. Let's take a quick commercial break. We'll continue 249 00:12:18,840 --> 00:12:25,360 Speaker 1: next on the Tutor Dixon Podcast. I look at what 250 00:12:25,400 --> 00:12:29,360 Speaker 1: we've seen happening in sports over the past few years, 251 00:12:29,440 --> 00:12:32,880 Speaker 1: and I think that you're absolutely right that young especially 252 00:12:32,960 --> 00:12:35,079 Speaker 1: young people, but I think people of all ages can 253 00:12:35,120 --> 00:12:38,480 Speaker 1: start to see somebody that they idolize, that they look 254 00:12:38,559 --> 00:12:42,640 Speaker 1: up to, and take their position as fact. And that's 255 00:12:42,679 --> 00:12:47,920 Speaker 1: where I wonder how challenging has sports reporting become because recently, 256 00:12:48,120 --> 00:12:49,959 Speaker 1: I mean not a few years ago, Lebron James was 257 00:12:50,000 --> 00:12:53,040 Speaker 1: the one out there defending China. And I think that 258 00:12:53,120 --> 00:12:56,600 Speaker 1: the geopolitical climate in the United in the world has 259 00:12:56,760 --> 00:13:00,640 Speaker 1: changed so significantly that whereas in a few years back 260 00:13:01,000 --> 00:13:04,480 Speaker 1: we felt comfortable doing business business with China, we now 261 00:13:04,520 --> 00:13:08,520 Speaker 1: know that in the political world, in the true political world, 262 00:13:08,960 --> 00:13:12,080 Speaker 1: China has become an incredible threat to the United States. 263 00:13:12,360 --> 00:13:15,560 Speaker 1: China has been talking to our oldest, our first and oldest. Ally, 264 00:13:16,040 --> 00:13:19,000 Speaker 1: they have been out there talking to Russia. We know 265 00:13:19,200 --> 00:13:24,480 Speaker 1: that they're supporting many of our enemies, true enemies out there, 266 00:13:24,480 --> 00:13:27,360 Speaker 1: and they're becoming an enemy. I mean, they want world domination. 267 00:13:27,840 --> 00:13:31,120 Speaker 1: So at what point, as a journalist for sports, do 268 00:13:31,160 --> 00:13:34,079 Speaker 1: you have to say, actually, I have to take this 269 00:13:34,160 --> 00:13:36,720 Speaker 1: into the political realm so that we make sure that 270 00:13:36,760 --> 00:13:40,600 Speaker 1: even though the sports personality is saying this, you understand 271 00:13:40,600 --> 00:13:42,280 Speaker 1: why there are dangers surrounding us. 272 00:13:42,600 --> 00:13:42,760 Speaker 2: Well. 273 00:13:42,800 --> 00:13:44,560 Speaker 3: I think that's the thing is if you are going 274 00:13:44,600 --> 00:13:47,040 Speaker 3: to bring politics into the equation, which, like I said, 275 00:13:47,040 --> 00:13:50,480 Speaker 3: a lot of people want to watch sports to avoid politics, Okay, 276 00:13:50,480 --> 00:13:53,000 Speaker 3: but if there are issues that need to be addressed 277 00:13:53,000 --> 00:13:55,440 Speaker 3: and you intend on addressing them, you need to address 278 00:13:55,440 --> 00:13:56,240 Speaker 3: them for both sides. 279 00:13:56,720 --> 00:13:57,920 Speaker 2: And that's problem. 280 00:13:57,960 --> 00:14:03,000 Speaker 3: As you're seeing from most of these sports organizations networks, 281 00:14:03,240 --> 00:14:06,240 Speaker 3: they aren't addressing it from both sides. I think another 282 00:14:06,240 --> 00:14:09,920 Speaker 3: big thing was the COVID mandates that started in twenty twenty. 283 00:14:10,320 --> 00:14:13,880 Speaker 3: You saw the requirement for athletes to be vaccinated. You 284 00:14:13,880 --> 00:14:16,400 Speaker 3: saw Aaron Rodgers get absolutely murdered. 285 00:14:17,120 --> 00:14:18,520 Speaker 1: Yes, yeah, he. 286 00:14:18,600 --> 00:14:22,320 Speaker 3: Wasn't vaccinated, even though at that point the efficacy of 287 00:14:22,360 --> 00:14:25,720 Speaker 3: the vaccine was being highly questioned. Yet people were like, 288 00:14:25,760 --> 00:14:28,840 Speaker 3: how could you this is outrageous when. 289 00:14:28,680 --> 00:14:31,520 Speaker 1: Really, even in Tennis, look at what happened with the vaccine, 290 00:14:31,560 --> 00:14:32,200 Speaker 1: it wasn't. 291 00:14:32,200 --> 00:14:35,760 Speaker 3: He missed his first US Open last year for the 292 00:14:35,760 --> 00:14:37,760 Speaker 3: first time since twenty seventeen, they wouldn't let him into 293 00:14:37,760 --> 00:14:38,240 Speaker 3: the country. 294 00:14:39,120 --> 00:14:41,359 Speaker 2: It's just so outrageous because also. 295 00:14:41,120 --> 00:14:43,120 Speaker 3: This is isn't there like such a thing as like 296 00:14:43,200 --> 00:14:45,480 Speaker 3: medical privacy. I just feel like people just feel like 297 00:14:45,520 --> 00:14:47,880 Speaker 3: they have right to know each and everything a little 298 00:14:47,880 --> 00:14:50,520 Speaker 3: thing about people these days, especially when we all know 299 00:14:50,560 --> 00:14:53,280 Speaker 3: at this point, like masks, we know they're not effective. 300 00:14:54,160 --> 00:14:56,440 Speaker 3: Yet they were making people wear masks for such a 301 00:14:56,440 --> 00:14:58,960 Speaker 3: long time. They were required to get into certain venues, 302 00:14:58,960 --> 00:15:01,640 Speaker 3: They were required for athletes to wear when they are 303 00:15:01,640 --> 00:15:05,160 Speaker 3: around their own teammates. It's just there's just so many 304 00:15:05,160 --> 00:15:07,800 Speaker 3: different things that were not questioned, but they reported on 305 00:15:07,960 --> 00:15:10,200 Speaker 3: as very straightforward fact. This is how it is, This 306 00:15:10,240 --> 00:15:13,280 Speaker 3: is how it should be, without anyone saying, but wait, 307 00:15:13,360 --> 00:15:15,920 Speaker 3: let's actually look at the other side of the coin. 308 00:15:16,080 --> 00:15:17,760 Speaker 3: If you're going to talk about politics, you got to 309 00:15:17,760 --> 00:15:19,480 Speaker 3: address both sides. But you know, when you look at 310 00:15:19,480 --> 00:15:23,520 Speaker 3: a place like a ESPN, that doesn't fit within their rhetoric, 311 00:15:23,600 --> 00:15:26,840 Speaker 3: It doesn't fit within Disney's rhetoric and so they continue 312 00:15:26,880 --> 00:15:27,760 Speaker 3: to turn their heads to that. 313 00:15:28,240 --> 00:15:31,640 Speaker 1: So what is your take on I mean, Disney is 314 00:15:31,680 --> 00:15:36,120 Speaker 1: a very similar situation when it comes to I guess 315 00:15:36,320 --> 00:15:37,960 Speaker 1: I would say it's a little different because there is 316 00:15:38,000 --> 00:15:41,320 Speaker 1: no fighting back when it's Disney outside of you know people. 317 00:15:41,400 --> 00:15:44,320 Speaker 1: I mean, it's a capitalist country. You can unsubscribe, you 318 00:15:44,360 --> 00:15:47,320 Speaker 1: can step away from Disney, plus you cannot watch it. 319 00:15:47,400 --> 00:15:51,400 Speaker 1: But they really have kind of cornered that movement with 320 00:15:51,520 --> 00:15:55,200 Speaker 1: young people of slowly changing culture amongst young people. And 321 00:15:55,240 --> 00:15:57,880 Speaker 1: as a parent, I've watched this over the years because 322 00:15:57,920 --> 00:16:00,360 Speaker 1: we watched all the Disney shows and then and then 323 00:16:00,480 --> 00:16:05,120 Speaker 1: slowly they started to become more and more not I 324 00:16:05,160 --> 00:16:07,600 Speaker 1: wouldn't say we were going into some of the really 325 00:16:08,600 --> 00:16:13,280 Speaker 1: life changing stuff, but more empowering kids to disrespect adults 326 00:16:13,360 --> 00:16:19,320 Speaker 1: and creating a behavior of distraction and disruption. What what 327 00:16:19,480 --> 00:16:21,560 Speaker 1: is the answer to something like that? Do you think 328 00:16:21,600 --> 00:16:24,440 Speaker 1: at some point OutKick has started? Do you think there 329 00:16:24,480 --> 00:16:28,320 Speaker 1: will be entertainment that will be more conservative? Have American 330 00:16:28,440 --> 00:16:31,640 Speaker 1: values go back to that level of respect from children 331 00:16:31,680 --> 00:16:32,240 Speaker 1: to adults. 332 00:16:33,160 --> 00:16:35,880 Speaker 3: Unfortunately? I mean I think that there are places that 333 00:16:35,920 --> 00:16:38,280 Speaker 3: can try. I think it's going to be up to 334 00:16:38,480 --> 00:16:40,680 Speaker 3: you know, they have like the parental controls and the 335 00:16:41,600 --> 00:16:43,960 Speaker 3: you know, parents can dictate what their kids see and 336 00:16:44,000 --> 00:16:46,000 Speaker 3: listen to. So you know, if they were to say, 337 00:16:46,040 --> 00:16:48,840 Speaker 3: you know, let's say outka release kids programming, Okay, this 338 00:16:48,880 --> 00:16:50,560 Speaker 3: is this is what we're raising you on and what 339 00:16:50,600 --> 00:16:52,080 Speaker 3: you get used to seeing, so you don't. 340 00:16:51,840 --> 00:16:53,080 Speaker 2: Crave all of the other stuff. 341 00:16:53,520 --> 00:16:56,800 Speaker 3: Perhaps, But the problem is is social media is so 342 00:16:56,920 --> 00:16:59,520 Speaker 3: ingrained in our culture and you look at so many 343 00:16:59,520 --> 00:17:02,000 Speaker 3: issues that being splattered all over social media. 344 00:17:02,080 --> 00:17:04,520 Speaker 2: I mean, let's look at the trans issue. Right when 345 00:17:04,520 --> 00:17:05,320 Speaker 2: you see a guy. 346 00:17:05,320 --> 00:17:08,320 Speaker 3: Or sorry I don't know even know the proper terminology anymore, 347 00:17:08,320 --> 00:17:11,439 Speaker 3: but just Dylan mulvaney all over the place on social 348 00:17:11,480 --> 00:17:16,880 Speaker 3: media representing women now and then you see kids who are. 349 00:17:16,760 --> 00:17:20,520 Speaker 2: Watching Dylan mulvaney. It's it's a form of brainwashing. 350 00:17:21,400 --> 00:17:23,320 Speaker 1: And you know it's interesting because. 351 00:17:23,080 --> 00:17:25,560 Speaker 2: All they do is consume social media from morning until night. 352 00:17:25,640 --> 00:17:28,520 Speaker 3: It's just unless you completely take it away, which I'll 353 00:17:28,560 --> 00:17:33,080 Speaker 3: tell you I don't have kids yet, but when I do, 354 00:17:33,280 --> 00:17:34,040 Speaker 3: I am going to do. 355 00:17:34,080 --> 00:17:35,320 Speaker 2: My damnness, I'm not. 356 00:17:35,400 --> 00:17:38,280 Speaker 3: They're not going to have access to screens until I 357 00:17:38,320 --> 00:17:39,480 Speaker 3: cannot control it. 358 00:17:39,520 --> 00:17:40,560 Speaker 2: I have no choice. 359 00:17:41,359 --> 00:17:44,439 Speaker 3: I am going to shelter them far beyond what I 360 00:17:44,520 --> 00:17:45,960 Speaker 3: ever thought I would. 361 00:17:46,119 --> 00:17:47,520 Speaker 2: Because I want always wanted to be you know, I 362 00:17:47,520 --> 00:17:48,440 Speaker 2: want to be the cool mom. 363 00:17:49,080 --> 00:17:51,600 Speaker 3: I am so scared to bring up a child in 364 00:17:51,640 --> 00:17:54,919 Speaker 3: this world because it is just it's not what it 365 00:17:54,960 --> 00:17:57,040 Speaker 3: was when I was younger. And if we're already heading 366 00:17:57,040 --> 00:17:59,320 Speaker 3: in this direction and it doesn't seem like things are 367 00:17:59,320 --> 00:18:01,760 Speaker 3: slowing down, I really fear for what the future looks like. 368 00:18:02,359 --> 00:18:05,879 Speaker 1: Well, we've talked about how there are you know, we're 369 00:18:05,920 --> 00:18:10,560 Speaker 1: embracing men wearing makeup and when we were kids, the 370 00:18:10,920 --> 00:18:14,760 Speaker 1: nabling models, all of these makeup models, they were showing 371 00:18:14,800 --> 00:18:16,959 Speaker 1: how they were putting makeup on and commercials and it 372 00:18:17,040 --> 00:18:19,720 Speaker 1: was really kind of like the next stuff in life. 373 00:18:19,760 --> 00:18:22,080 Speaker 1: You know, this will someday be you putting makeup on. 374 00:18:22,400 --> 00:18:25,560 Speaker 1: And that made sense because it's marketing. You would think 375 00:18:25,560 --> 00:18:28,800 Speaker 1: that that's what the company wants, is little girls to say, yes, 376 00:18:29,000 --> 00:18:31,240 Speaker 1: I want to be putting makeup on, just like that, 377 00:18:31,800 --> 00:18:35,399 Speaker 1: similar to even Victoria's Secret. We've had this conversation on 378 00:18:35,480 --> 00:18:38,560 Speaker 1: here before I'm a mom, I've had four girls. I 379 00:18:38,760 --> 00:18:42,040 Speaker 1: actually when I walk past the lingerie store, don't want 380 00:18:42,080 --> 00:18:44,160 Speaker 1: to see my body in lingerie I want to think 381 00:18:44,160 --> 00:18:46,480 Speaker 1: that I can look like Giselle. You know, I don't 382 00:18:46,480 --> 00:18:49,000 Speaker 1: necessarily want to think I'm going to look like. 383 00:18:49,000 --> 00:18:49,680 Speaker 2: It's not my thing. 384 00:18:49,720 --> 00:18:51,520 Speaker 3: It never has been my thing. Give me some like 385 00:18:51,600 --> 00:18:53,600 Speaker 3: comfy swats. That's why I'm here. 386 00:18:54,160 --> 00:18:57,560 Speaker 1: It's just hard to see that we've changed so much 387 00:18:58,200 --> 00:19:01,400 Speaker 1: that we are leaving the people out that actually want 388 00:19:01,400 --> 00:19:05,439 Speaker 1: to feel better about themselves. You know, We're leaving out 389 00:19:05,200 --> 00:19:08,280 Speaker 1: the people that want to the little girls that want 390 00:19:08,320 --> 00:19:10,680 Speaker 1: to say, oh, when I grow up, I'm gonna wear makeup. 391 00:19:10,920 --> 00:19:12,920 Speaker 1: And my girls have seen all of this. You know, 392 00:19:12,960 --> 00:19:15,199 Speaker 1: I have four girls, so I've watched them see this 393 00:19:15,640 --> 00:19:19,399 Speaker 1: and it hasn't been empowering to them. It's been confusing 394 00:19:19,440 --> 00:19:21,240 Speaker 1: to them. And I just think, why aren't people seeing 395 00:19:21,480 --> 00:19:23,800 Speaker 1: Why aren't these big marketing directors seen that this is 396 00:19:24,080 --> 00:19:26,800 Speaker 1: confusing rather than encouraging. 397 00:19:26,920 --> 00:19:29,359 Speaker 3: Well, it's interesting that you bring up both lingerie and 398 00:19:29,440 --> 00:19:31,880 Speaker 3: makeup because we've just seen in the past couple weeks 399 00:19:31,920 --> 00:19:34,840 Speaker 3: Dylan mulvaney was used for a Maybe Lene ad. So 400 00:19:34,880 --> 00:19:38,840 Speaker 3: there's makeup something that women and young girls really identify 401 00:19:38,880 --> 00:19:39,200 Speaker 3: with it. 402 00:19:39,200 --> 00:19:41,080 Speaker 2: It's like a part of their coming of age. Right. 403 00:19:41,160 --> 00:19:42,560 Speaker 3: Oh my gosh, I get to wear makeup, Like I 404 00:19:42,600 --> 00:19:44,720 Speaker 3: finally get to wear some lip gloss, and I would 405 00:19:44,720 --> 00:19:47,760 Speaker 3: sneak my eyeshadow to sight and put it onto the 406 00:19:47,800 --> 00:19:49,520 Speaker 3: bathroom because my dad would never let me wear it 407 00:19:49,520 --> 00:19:52,159 Speaker 3: out of the house. And then there was just another 408 00:19:52,480 --> 00:19:55,520 Speaker 3: lingerie company this past week that used a biological man 409 00:19:55,640 --> 00:19:59,200 Speaker 3: to modelist lingerie, which again, like that's one of those 410 00:19:59,200 --> 00:20:01,240 Speaker 3: things like, ooh, you know, when I'm older, I'm gonna 411 00:20:01,280 --> 00:20:03,400 Speaker 3: I'm gonna buy a teddy, I'm gonna I'm gonna wear 412 00:20:03,400 --> 00:20:06,720 Speaker 3: some lingerie. And again it's it's something that really identifies 413 00:20:06,720 --> 00:20:10,400 Speaker 3: with women, and there's so many amazing women who would 414 00:20:10,400 --> 00:20:14,600 Speaker 3: be great models for lingerie or great models for any 415 00:20:14,640 --> 00:20:17,080 Speaker 3: makeup brand, and yet they're saying, you know what, forget 416 00:20:17,119 --> 00:20:19,400 Speaker 3: all of you actual women, Forget all of you who 417 00:20:19,440 --> 00:20:22,440 Speaker 3: have you know, actually gone through puberty as a girl 418 00:20:22,480 --> 00:20:24,720 Speaker 3: and really felt what it was like to transition from 419 00:20:24,720 --> 00:20:27,119 Speaker 3: girl to women. Forget all of you. We're gonna go 420 00:20:27,160 --> 00:20:29,200 Speaker 3: with a man for this ad. It's just it's a 421 00:20:29,320 --> 00:20:32,320 Speaker 3: huge insult to women, and it has crossed over into 422 00:20:32,359 --> 00:20:35,639 Speaker 3: the sports landscape with the trans athletes. It's such a 423 00:20:36,240 --> 00:20:38,880 Speaker 3: slap in the face to women that they would say 424 00:20:39,480 --> 00:20:40,080 Speaker 3: you know what. 425 00:20:40,280 --> 00:20:42,840 Speaker 2: Everything you've worked for, everything that. 426 00:20:43,119 --> 00:20:45,720 Speaker 3: You know Title nine has helped you to achieve, We're 427 00:20:45,760 --> 00:20:48,520 Speaker 3: just gonna forget about it all. And you know what, ultimately, 428 00:20:48,560 --> 00:20:50,080 Speaker 3: what are we looking for? Are we looking for just 429 00:20:50,119 --> 00:20:52,720 Speaker 3: complete co ed leagues? I don't understand, Like I don't 430 00:20:52,760 --> 00:20:53,320 Speaker 3: understand what. 431 00:20:54,160 --> 00:20:58,359 Speaker 1: No, because because I don't think that the average male 432 00:20:58,560 --> 00:21:01,240 Speaker 1: wants to compete against women. I think they understand that 433 00:21:01,280 --> 00:21:05,959 Speaker 1: there are so many barriers, there's dangers. It's your men 434 00:21:06,000 --> 00:21:09,320 Speaker 1: are tougher than women. I mean, we've seen just the 435 00:21:09,400 --> 00:21:11,520 Speaker 1: volleyball player that was hit in the face with the 436 00:21:11,600 --> 00:21:14,880 Speaker 1: volleyball because a biological man can hit that volleyball much 437 00:21:14,880 --> 00:21:18,920 Speaker 1: harder than a biological woman can. It's tough. But we've 438 00:21:18,920 --> 00:21:24,199 Speaker 1: seen this kind of trending toward this pushing women aside. 439 00:21:24,240 --> 00:21:26,880 Speaker 1: Women have been pushed aside. There's not as much pride 440 00:21:27,000 --> 00:21:29,080 Speaker 1: in being a woman. And like you said, when you 441 00:21:29,119 --> 00:21:33,480 Speaker 1: see that the women who are being used for makeup, 442 00:21:33,560 --> 00:21:37,119 Speaker 1: that are being used for lingerie do not represent women, 443 00:21:37,800 --> 00:21:42,880 Speaker 1: it's disheartening. What about patriotism? Why is it that patriotism 444 00:21:43,000 --> 00:21:44,919 Speaker 1: is under attack? And that's something that I think that 445 00:21:44,960 --> 00:21:48,120 Speaker 1: we see a lot in the sports world. And how 446 00:21:48,240 --> 00:21:50,560 Speaker 1: can we how do we bring that back? How do 447 00:21:50,640 --> 00:21:53,719 Speaker 1: we say, well, no, it's you can love this country 448 00:21:53,720 --> 00:21:55,760 Speaker 1: and still believe that we can change things and make 449 00:21:55,800 --> 00:21:57,440 Speaker 1: things better on a constant basis. 450 00:21:57,680 --> 00:22:00,639 Speaker 3: Well, I think the whole point is that there's just 451 00:22:00,800 --> 00:22:06,639 Speaker 3: such a confused mindset these days where people associate patriotism 452 00:22:07,119 --> 00:22:12,240 Speaker 3: with suppressing the rights of groups that are trying to 453 00:22:12,240 --> 00:22:15,760 Speaker 3: gain more traction right now, and people feel like, oh, well, 454 00:22:15,760 --> 00:22:19,600 Speaker 3: if I say I'm a patriot, it means I'm homophobic, 455 00:22:19,640 --> 00:22:22,600 Speaker 3: it means I'm transphobic, it means all these things, which 456 00:22:22,600 --> 00:22:25,400 Speaker 3: it doesn't mean that they don't go hand in hand. 457 00:22:25,400 --> 00:22:29,520 Speaker 3: But people have gotten very confused because there's one group that's, 458 00:22:29,760 --> 00:22:33,840 Speaker 3: you know, crying out that we're under attack, and if 459 00:22:33,880 --> 00:22:37,679 Speaker 3: you support America and it's traditional values, then you're not 460 00:22:37,760 --> 00:22:40,960 Speaker 3: progressing like the rest of us. The whole mindset of 461 00:22:41,000 --> 00:22:44,640 Speaker 3: the country has just gotten very skewed, and it's really 462 00:22:44,640 --> 00:22:45,040 Speaker 3: a shame. 463 00:22:45,800 --> 00:22:47,960 Speaker 1: How long did it take you to make the decision 464 00:22:48,119 --> 00:22:49,040 Speaker 1: to go. 465 00:22:48,920 --> 00:22:51,280 Speaker 3: To out kick It wasn't a tough decision for me, 466 00:22:51,880 --> 00:22:55,240 Speaker 3: you know, it's just you Also, it's just the wayhg 467 00:22:55,400 --> 00:22:58,199 Speaker 3: of what's going to be best for my career, what 468 00:22:58,280 --> 00:23:00,000 Speaker 3: direction do I want to go in? Because I also 469 00:23:00,200 --> 00:23:03,000 Speaker 3: realize by coming to a place like OutKick, there is 470 00:23:03,040 --> 00:23:05,439 Speaker 3: the possibility that some doors could be shut down the 471 00:23:05,480 --> 00:23:10,959 Speaker 3: road by some of the more traditional outlets. But you 472 00:23:11,000 --> 00:23:14,120 Speaker 3: also have to recognize, you know, what's my goal here 473 00:23:14,160 --> 00:23:15,600 Speaker 3: at the end of the day, Like do I want 474 00:23:15,640 --> 00:23:17,760 Speaker 3: to be able to have the freedom to speak my 475 00:23:17,920 --> 00:23:21,800 Speaker 3: mind and you know, have those that don't have a 476 00:23:21,880 --> 00:23:24,880 Speaker 3: voice to be able to look to me to say, okay, yes, yes, 477 00:23:24,920 --> 00:23:25,240 Speaker 3: I can. 478 00:23:25,200 --> 00:23:25,719 Speaker 2: Agree with that. 479 00:23:25,760 --> 00:23:29,600 Speaker 3: And actually you have encouraged me to stand up for 480 00:23:29,680 --> 00:23:32,160 Speaker 3: my beliefs as well, which I've been getting a lot 481 00:23:32,200 --> 00:23:34,800 Speaker 3: of from women. Like I said, I have had several 482 00:23:34,960 --> 00:23:38,160 Speaker 3: of my former colleagues, not just from ESPN, but from 483 00:23:38,200 --> 00:23:41,840 Speaker 3: former jobs even you know further down the line, reach 484 00:23:41,880 --> 00:23:44,000 Speaker 3: out and say I'm so proud of you, thank you 485 00:23:44,160 --> 00:23:46,200 Speaker 3: so much for standing up for the rest of us. 486 00:23:46,359 --> 00:23:48,720 Speaker 3: There's a lot more of us out there than people realize. 487 00:23:49,320 --> 00:23:51,959 Speaker 3: But it's going to take some time because people are scared. 488 00:23:52,160 --> 00:23:54,280 Speaker 3: People are scared to speak their minds, are scared to 489 00:23:54,280 --> 00:23:56,919 Speaker 3: stand up for themselves. Because the fact of the matter is, 490 00:23:56,960 --> 00:23:58,720 Speaker 3: there's a lot of places where if you do speak 491 00:23:58,800 --> 00:24:00,000 Speaker 3: up you're out of a job. 492 00:24:00,240 --> 00:24:02,960 Speaker 1: Let's take a quick commercial break. We'll continue next on 493 00:24:03,000 --> 00:24:09,480 Speaker 1: the Tutor Dixon Podcast. What do you tell people that say, 494 00:24:09,640 --> 00:24:11,439 Speaker 1: how did you do it? And how can I do it? 495 00:24:11,480 --> 00:24:14,440 Speaker 1: I mean, you must have people constantly saying I feel 496 00:24:14,440 --> 00:24:16,159 Speaker 1: like I need to do this too, But I'm afraid. 497 00:24:16,520 --> 00:24:18,359 Speaker 3: I think it's just going to take a lot of 498 00:24:18,400 --> 00:24:22,720 Speaker 3: women or different groups just saying, you know what, enough 499 00:24:22,760 --> 00:24:26,040 Speaker 3: is enough? And what are they going to do? Fire 500 00:24:26,080 --> 00:24:29,400 Speaker 3: the whole company? If every woman says, well I can't 501 00:24:29,400 --> 00:24:31,240 Speaker 3: do this anymore, what are. 502 00:24:31,119 --> 00:24:33,119 Speaker 2: They going to do? Or at least they're going to be. 503 00:24:33,119 --> 00:24:35,480 Speaker 3: Forced to address the issue. They're going to be forced 504 00:24:35,520 --> 00:24:37,720 Speaker 3: to talk about it. They'll be conversation about it. They'll 505 00:24:37,760 --> 00:24:40,679 Speaker 3: be equal and fair conversation about it. So I just 506 00:24:40,720 --> 00:24:42,960 Speaker 3: think it's one of those things that people just need 507 00:24:43,000 --> 00:24:47,720 Speaker 3: to really do some deep introspection and find out are 508 00:24:47,760 --> 00:24:49,639 Speaker 3: you okay with the world moving in this direction. I 509 00:24:49,640 --> 00:24:52,440 Speaker 3: think there's a lot of women in the broadcast industry 510 00:24:52,480 --> 00:24:56,200 Speaker 3: whose journeys into motherhood are a little bit delayed, right 511 00:24:56,280 --> 00:24:58,679 Speaker 3: because a lot of us put more time into our career. 512 00:24:58,440 --> 00:24:59,040 Speaker 2: At the beginning. 513 00:24:59,440 --> 00:25:01,639 Speaker 3: Having kids isn't something that we think about so early on, 514 00:25:01,680 --> 00:25:03,159 Speaker 3: but now that we're here, there's a lot of us 515 00:25:03,160 --> 00:25:05,760 Speaker 3: who are thinking, Okay, well, kids might be in my 516 00:25:05,800 --> 00:25:08,000 Speaker 3: future in the next few years, and is this something 517 00:25:08,000 --> 00:25:09,160 Speaker 3: I want for my children. 518 00:25:09,880 --> 00:25:12,000 Speaker 2: It's not just about you, it's about the future generations 519 00:25:12,000 --> 00:25:12,360 Speaker 2: as well. 520 00:25:12,440 --> 00:25:14,600 Speaker 3: So I think you really have to just realize what's 521 00:25:14,640 --> 00:25:16,080 Speaker 3: important to you, how do you want to live, how 522 00:25:16,119 --> 00:25:18,000 Speaker 3: do you want your families to live, and make a 523 00:25:18,040 --> 00:25:18,840 Speaker 3: decision from there. 524 00:25:19,440 --> 00:25:23,199 Speaker 1: When you see someone like Megan Rapino, who was a 525 00:25:23,320 --> 00:25:26,760 Speaker 1: champion on the soccer field, was able, you know, fought 526 00:25:26,800 --> 00:25:30,440 Speaker 1: for women to get equal pay or higher pay, and 527 00:25:31,240 --> 00:25:34,480 Speaker 1: probably has her own endorsement deals now saying that she 528 00:25:34,600 --> 00:25:36,560 Speaker 1: thinks that men should be able to compete with women 529 00:25:36,600 --> 00:25:40,119 Speaker 1: on the soccer field and another sport where you're making 530 00:25:40,119 --> 00:25:43,280 Speaker 1: contact with people. I mean, it really is dangerous to 531 00:25:43,400 --> 00:25:47,280 Speaker 1: have a biological male on the field with women playing soccer. 532 00:25:47,640 --> 00:25:48,760 Speaker 1: What is your take on that? 533 00:25:49,240 --> 00:25:50,800 Speaker 2: It doesn't make sense, It doesn't add up. 534 00:25:51,920 --> 00:25:54,880 Speaker 3: You know a lot of people really applauded Megan Rapino 535 00:25:55,040 --> 00:25:57,920 Speaker 3: for taking a stand for women. You know, everyone wants 536 00:25:57,960 --> 00:26:01,000 Speaker 3: to see women treated the same as men and have 537 00:26:01,080 --> 00:26:04,440 Speaker 3: the same rights and a fair level of competition, which 538 00:26:04,480 --> 00:26:08,680 Speaker 3: is being wiped out by biological men now being able 539 00:26:08,720 --> 00:26:12,639 Speaker 3: to play with women on these same fields or arenas. 540 00:26:12,680 --> 00:26:15,159 Speaker 2: So it doesn't really make sense. You have to wonder 541 00:26:15,320 --> 00:26:21,080 Speaker 2: what her incentive is to make this blatant switch in mentality, 542 00:26:21,240 --> 00:26:24,919 Speaker 2: because after fighting this fight for so many years, you know, 543 00:26:25,040 --> 00:26:29,679 Speaker 2: especially for you know, a lesbian woman too, who's probably 544 00:26:29,760 --> 00:26:31,720 Speaker 2: fought a lot of her own battles throughout the years. 545 00:26:31,960 --> 00:26:34,919 Speaker 2: You know, just seems like this would be something we 546 00:26:34,920 --> 00:26:37,680 Speaker 2: would be able to look to her and she would say, listen. 547 00:26:37,440 --> 00:26:40,920 Speaker 3: I've fought a lot of battles. I've been there, done that, 548 00:26:41,240 --> 00:26:44,119 Speaker 3: and I think doing this to women is just the 549 00:26:44,160 --> 00:26:45,600 Speaker 3: worst possible case scenario. 550 00:26:45,760 --> 00:26:47,280 Speaker 2: So it's really sad to see. 551 00:26:47,720 --> 00:26:51,000 Speaker 1: I know, I think that was one of the more 552 00:26:51,080 --> 00:26:54,719 Speaker 1: shocking ones because I understand. I think I can understand 553 00:26:54,720 --> 00:26:58,399 Speaker 1: from her perspective being torn between the two because she 554 00:26:58,480 --> 00:27:01,200 Speaker 1: has been a champion for both women rights and lgbt 555 00:27:01,600 --> 00:27:06,520 Speaker 1: Q rights, and I guess we saw which one one 556 00:27:06,600 --> 00:27:09,199 Speaker 1: out there. But I think that that has been a 557 00:27:09,320 --> 00:27:11,800 Speaker 1: challenge for so many young people. They get caught in 558 00:27:11,840 --> 00:27:14,359 Speaker 1: that same trap. If I support one, do I not 559 00:27:14,480 --> 00:27:16,439 Speaker 1: love the other? And that's what I want people to 560 00:27:16,520 --> 00:27:20,680 Speaker 1: understand No, you can be supportive of both but still 561 00:27:20,800 --> 00:27:24,920 Speaker 1: say women deserve to be in a fair situation. I mean, 562 00:27:24,920 --> 00:27:29,280 Speaker 1: we certainly wouldn't want women to feel that they can't 563 00:27:29,320 --> 00:27:31,960 Speaker 1: be safe in their own sport. We heard a story 564 00:27:32,400 --> 00:27:34,520 Speaker 1: about one of the women who was in a locker 565 00:27:34,600 --> 00:27:38,879 Speaker 1: room with Leah Thomas that had been raped as a 566 00:27:38,920 --> 00:27:42,440 Speaker 1: young person, raped it in like a fourteen or fifteen 567 00:27:42,480 --> 00:27:46,440 Speaker 1: I think, and was just traumatized by the fact that 568 00:27:46,520 --> 00:27:49,080 Speaker 1: she was forced to be changing right next to a 569 00:27:49,080 --> 00:27:51,600 Speaker 1: biological mail. And that's where I think maybe we haven't 570 00:27:51,600 --> 00:27:54,919 Speaker 1: thought some of these things through. I understand wanting to 571 00:27:54,920 --> 00:27:58,200 Speaker 1: be loving and that a lot of like you said, 572 00:27:58,240 --> 00:28:00,760 Speaker 1: these young people can look at this and feel like, yeah, 573 00:28:00,960 --> 00:28:02,880 Speaker 1: I can be convinced by that, And I think that's 574 00:28:02,920 --> 00:28:06,440 Speaker 1: a lot of what's happening, and we're forgetting that there's 575 00:28:06,720 --> 00:28:10,159 Speaker 1: another group that still deserves to be held up and 576 00:28:10,280 --> 00:28:12,400 Speaker 1: kept in a fair situation and a safe situation. 577 00:28:12,720 --> 00:28:15,280 Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, fact is is right now, it's trendy 578 00:28:15,560 --> 00:28:19,119 Speaker 3: to be progressive. You know, if you're in the younger 579 00:28:19,320 --> 00:28:21,879 Speaker 3: you know the gen zers is that that's what's trendy, 580 00:28:21,920 --> 00:28:22,600 Speaker 3: that's what's cool. 581 00:28:22,680 --> 00:28:25,400 Speaker 2: You know, they want to feel like Oh this is you. 582 00:28:25,320 --> 00:28:27,760 Speaker 3: Know, I'm fighting for equal rights and they really don't 583 00:28:27,760 --> 00:28:30,440 Speaker 3: have any real understanding of what they're doing. They're completely 584 00:28:30,440 --> 00:28:35,080 Speaker 3: destroying the fabric of women's sports by championing these new beliefs, 585 00:28:35,440 --> 00:28:38,600 Speaker 3: and I just think ultimately we're going down a very 586 00:28:38,600 --> 00:28:40,959 Speaker 3: slippery slope. I mean, because like we said, we look 587 00:28:41,000 --> 00:28:44,240 Speaker 3: at swimming, Leah Thomas, you know, that's an individual sport, 588 00:28:44,600 --> 00:28:47,000 Speaker 3: still danger surrounding it, you know, even just the locker 589 00:28:47,080 --> 00:28:51,040 Speaker 3: room example being one of them. But and you kind 590 00:28:51,040 --> 00:28:55,320 Speaker 3: of alluded to this already, but soccer fields, basketball courts, 591 00:28:55,480 --> 00:28:59,200 Speaker 3: football fields, what happens when a man enters those arenas 592 00:28:59,240 --> 00:29:01,920 Speaker 3: and there's content and they're very aggressive. 593 00:29:02,080 --> 00:29:03,520 Speaker 2: I mean, someone is going to get hurt. 594 00:29:03,520 --> 00:29:07,080 Speaker 3: There's people getting hurt when women are playing other women, right, 595 00:29:07,160 --> 00:29:09,000 Speaker 3: So what happens when you put a man into the mix? 596 00:29:09,080 --> 00:29:11,520 Speaker 3: I mean it's just there's no way to avoid injury 597 00:29:11,600 --> 00:29:11,800 Speaker 3: like that. 598 00:29:11,920 --> 00:29:16,480 Speaker 1: Because well, in the fighting, when we've seen the boxing 599 00:29:16,600 --> 00:29:22,520 Speaker 1: matches and the fighting that is that seems really outside 600 00:29:22,560 --> 00:29:23,880 Speaker 1: of the realm of common sense. 601 00:29:24,440 --> 00:29:27,200 Speaker 3: Yeah, And I also it's just curious to me that 602 00:29:27,840 --> 00:29:29,960 Speaker 3: a lot of the people that I've been hearing from 603 00:29:30,000 --> 00:29:33,920 Speaker 3: since I started here last week and have started speaking 604 00:29:33,920 --> 00:29:36,320 Speaker 3: out for the first time. A lot of the people 605 00:29:36,400 --> 00:29:39,600 Speaker 3: who are coming after me on social media are clearly 606 00:29:39,640 --> 00:29:42,240 Speaker 3: not athletes, nor have they ever been athletes. 607 00:29:42,280 --> 00:29:45,040 Speaker 2: So it's just interesting that people are trying to fight 608 00:29:45,080 --> 00:29:46,840 Speaker 2: this fight when they know nothing about it. 609 00:29:47,200 --> 00:29:51,120 Speaker 1: I think that's the thing that is frustrating to us, 610 00:29:51,160 --> 00:29:54,320 Speaker 1: as women who've played sports, to hear men come out 611 00:29:54,320 --> 00:29:56,600 Speaker 1: and say, well, you're not being welcoming, or someone who 612 00:29:56,600 --> 00:29:59,480 Speaker 1: has never been involved to say well, you're not being inclusive. 613 00:30:00,000 --> 00:30:02,479 Speaker 1: It's like, no, I I am actually speaking from a 614 00:30:02,520 --> 00:30:06,440 Speaker 1: place of knowing and experiencing this myself, and I have 615 00:30:06,520 --> 00:30:09,040 Speaker 1: to say that this is a bad idea. But you're 616 00:30:09,080 --> 00:30:10,960 Speaker 1: not allowed to say it's a bad idea anymore. 617 00:30:11,080 --> 00:30:12,560 Speaker 2: You're not allowed. And you know what, I was in 618 00:30:12,600 --> 00:30:15,320 Speaker 2: middle school. I was a huge tomboy and I was 619 00:30:15,760 --> 00:30:18,040 Speaker 2: I was so adamant. I was like, I'm playing football. 620 00:30:18,160 --> 00:30:21,040 Speaker 2: You can't keep me off the team. And so I told. 621 00:30:20,960 --> 00:30:22,240 Speaker 3: Them, I was like, I'm playing on I'm playing on 622 00:30:22,280 --> 00:30:24,320 Speaker 3: the middle school boys football team. And it was you know, 623 00:30:24,360 --> 00:30:26,280 Speaker 3: it was a private school, so they had no cuts. 624 00:30:26,680 --> 00:30:29,480 Speaker 3: There weren't enough there weren't enough students, staff cuts, so 625 00:30:29,520 --> 00:30:31,920 Speaker 3: they're like, all right, come on out, and I'm telling 626 00:30:31,960 --> 00:30:32,640 Speaker 3: you tudor. 627 00:30:32,720 --> 00:30:34,480 Speaker 2: I was out there one day and I was like, 628 00:30:35,160 --> 00:30:36,240 Speaker 2: never mind, thank you so much. 629 00:30:37,960 --> 00:30:39,280 Speaker 1: I was good, ye any good? 630 00:30:39,320 --> 00:30:40,440 Speaker 2: So you just don't really even. 631 00:30:40,280 --> 00:30:42,760 Speaker 3: Though I was, I would like to say, the most 632 00:30:42,800 --> 00:30:46,400 Speaker 3: athletic girl in my class, I still. 633 00:30:46,240 --> 00:30:49,360 Speaker 2: Could not hold a candle to these middle school boys. 634 00:30:49,360 --> 00:30:51,920 Speaker 1: I mean, it just what that's what exactly right? I mean, 635 00:30:52,000 --> 00:30:54,040 Speaker 1: that's what you don't know until you know exactly. 636 00:30:54,120 --> 00:30:55,920 Speaker 2: And it's nothing against me. I wasn't. 637 00:30:56,080 --> 00:30:58,640 Speaker 3: I wasn't embarrassed or was I ashamed. It's just one 638 00:30:58,640 --> 00:31:00,800 Speaker 3: of those things like, yeah, I can run fast, but 639 00:31:00,800 --> 00:31:02,680 Speaker 3: can I run as fast as you know? 640 00:31:03,160 --> 00:31:03,719 Speaker 2: I'm strong? 641 00:31:03,760 --> 00:31:06,400 Speaker 3: But am I as strong as you know? It's just 642 00:31:06,520 --> 00:31:07,640 Speaker 3: do I have endurance? 643 00:31:07,920 --> 00:31:08,120 Speaker 1: Yes? 644 00:31:08,200 --> 00:31:09,920 Speaker 2: But do I have much endurance as you know? 645 00:31:10,040 --> 00:31:14,560 Speaker 1: It's just there is different. I recently went to my 646 00:31:14,680 --> 00:31:18,600 Speaker 1: daughter's sixth grade basketball games, and she played basketball this year. 647 00:31:18,840 --> 00:31:21,080 Speaker 1: Her little friend is a boy played basketball on the 648 00:31:21,080 --> 00:31:22,840 Speaker 1: boys team. She wanted to go see him on the 649 00:31:22,840 --> 00:31:25,000 Speaker 1: boys team. I was used to going to the girls 650 00:31:25,040 --> 00:31:29,640 Speaker 1: basketball team for weeks, and I thought, really, honestly, even 651 00:31:29,720 --> 00:31:31,480 Speaker 1: though I talk about this stuff all the time, I 652 00:31:31,520 --> 00:31:34,120 Speaker 1: really thought, how much difference is sixth grade? You know 653 00:31:34,120 --> 00:31:36,239 Speaker 1: it's gonna be the same game, but it was a 654 00:31:36,360 --> 00:31:39,800 Speaker 1: totally different game. The boys just play in it much faster, 655 00:31:40,160 --> 00:31:43,800 Speaker 1: much more aggressive. It's just a different way of playing. 656 00:31:43,920 --> 00:31:46,800 Speaker 1: And that was surprising to me because they're so young. 657 00:31:47,200 --> 00:31:49,440 Speaker 1: But there's truly a difference in the way they play. 658 00:31:49,640 --> 00:31:52,080 Speaker 3: Well. Yeah, and especially like once the testosterone kicks in, 659 00:31:52,120 --> 00:31:53,960 Speaker 3: you know what I mean, Like in football, once you 660 00:31:54,640 --> 00:31:57,120 Speaker 3: take a big hit, your body, it just goes into 661 00:31:57,160 --> 00:31:59,479 Speaker 3: the state where you're ultra fired up and right. 662 00:32:00,000 --> 00:32:00,960 Speaker 2: It's something you control. 663 00:32:01,040 --> 00:32:05,080 Speaker 3: It's an adrenaline rush, it's hormonal, and you suddenly you 664 00:32:05,160 --> 00:32:07,920 Speaker 3: just hit another level of play. And that's something that 665 00:32:07,960 --> 00:32:11,040 Speaker 3: women we experience in a sense of our own, but 666 00:32:11,080 --> 00:32:12,000 Speaker 3: it's not the same thing. 667 00:32:12,600 --> 00:32:14,760 Speaker 1: I guess I had never thought about that before, But 668 00:32:14,840 --> 00:32:16,800 Speaker 1: that is really interesting. I mean that these are the 669 00:32:16,840 --> 00:32:19,120 Speaker 1: things that I feel like we are not free to 670 00:32:19,200 --> 00:32:22,000 Speaker 1: talk about. And I guarantee you that when this post, 671 00:32:22,040 --> 00:32:25,800 Speaker 1: somebody will say, you're not experts on these things, but 672 00:32:25,920 --> 00:32:30,000 Speaker 1: we have this experience. You certainly have had this experience, 673 00:32:30,040 --> 00:32:32,680 Speaker 1: You've watched it. What makes you an expert if you haven't, 674 00:32:33,240 --> 00:32:35,680 Speaker 1: If it's not that you've played, you've watched it, you've 675 00:32:35,680 --> 00:32:38,560 Speaker 1: reported on it. I mean, you are deeply into this 676 00:32:38,640 --> 00:32:41,040 Speaker 1: and you've seen the differences, and it's a shame that 677 00:32:41,120 --> 00:32:43,360 Speaker 1: you can't just safely say, okay, but can we think 678 00:32:43,360 --> 00:32:45,320 Speaker 1: about it? Can we think that maybe this isn't the 679 00:32:45,320 --> 00:32:45,959 Speaker 1: best idea? 680 00:32:46,600 --> 00:32:46,840 Speaker 2: Yeah? 681 00:32:46,880 --> 00:32:49,160 Speaker 3: And you know, there was an example years ago of 682 00:32:50,200 --> 00:32:53,320 Speaker 3: the women's national soccer team doing a scrimmage against a 683 00:32:53,360 --> 00:32:55,720 Speaker 3: grade school boys team. I can't remember exactly what great 684 00:32:55,720 --> 00:32:59,720 Speaker 3: it was. They got completely demolished. You know, you're looking 685 00:32:59,760 --> 00:33:03,360 Speaker 3: at it completely different age group, professional female athletes versus 686 00:33:04,360 --> 00:33:08,200 Speaker 3: right grade school boys, and they still were And it's 687 00:33:08,320 --> 00:33:11,320 Speaker 3: just and it's not a knock on the women. It's 688 00:33:11,320 --> 00:33:14,400 Speaker 3: not to say they aren't phenomenal, fantastic athletes, but just 689 00:33:14,840 --> 00:33:18,440 Speaker 3: men and women are built differently. Their capabilities are different, 690 00:33:18,680 --> 00:33:20,480 Speaker 3: and that is never going to change. 691 00:33:21,040 --> 00:33:24,120 Speaker 1: No, it will not. So okay, so tell us how 692 00:33:24,160 --> 00:33:26,720 Speaker 1: do people find you on OutKick? Tell us a little 693 00:33:26,720 --> 00:33:27,880 Speaker 1: bit about that really quick. 694 00:33:27,920 --> 00:33:31,080 Speaker 3: Okay, So the show that I will be co hosting 695 00:33:31,760 --> 00:33:35,720 Speaker 3: does not launch until before football season, so realistically plot 696 00:33:35,760 --> 00:33:37,040 Speaker 3: probably sometime in July. 697 00:33:37,120 --> 00:33:37,760 Speaker 2: We're looking up. 698 00:33:38,320 --> 00:33:40,480 Speaker 3: But until then I'm gonna be plugged. Into all different 699 00:33:40,480 --> 00:33:43,400 Speaker 3: types of OutKick shows, filling in as a guest host, 700 00:33:43,480 --> 00:33:47,760 Speaker 3: doing guest appearances. I'll just also all over Fox News Channel, 701 00:33:48,600 --> 00:33:51,240 Speaker 3: coming on to talk about issues like this, So like 702 00:33:51,240 --> 00:33:54,520 Speaker 3: tomorrow night, I'll be on Sean Hannity, which is great today, 703 00:33:54,560 --> 00:33:56,760 Speaker 3: and then I'll be on Varney and Co. 704 00:33:57,040 --> 00:33:58,800 Speaker 2: On Thursday, and then. 705 00:33:58,920 --> 00:34:00,880 Speaker 3: You know, I'm sure if you if you go to 706 00:34:00,920 --> 00:34:02,840 Speaker 3: my social media, I'll keep you up to data where 707 00:34:02,840 --> 00:34:05,160 Speaker 3: you can find me, and my socials are at Charlie 708 00:34:05,200 --> 00:34:05,760 Speaker 3: on TV. 709 00:34:06,000 --> 00:34:08,360 Speaker 2: So I'm so wonderful part of the family. 710 00:34:08,600 --> 00:34:11,040 Speaker 3: It's been a great experience so far, and I'm super 711 00:34:11,080 --> 00:34:12,239 Speaker 3: happy to have my voice back. 712 00:34:12,560 --> 00:34:15,200 Speaker 1: Well, we are so happy that you decided to do this, 713 00:34:15,239 --> 00:34:17,440 Speaker 1: and I think that you are an inspiration to so 714 00:34:17,560 --> 00:34:20,560 Speaker 1: many young women and really people all across the country. 715 00:34:20,640 --> 00:34:23,319 Speaker 1: Just know that as many of those nasty comments as 716 00:34:23,320 --> 00:34:26,240 Speaker 1: you get on social media, there's thousands more people behind 717 00:34:26,239 --> 00:34:28,240 Speaker 1: you saying, give me a break. This woman's amazing. 718 00:34:28,400 --> 00:34:31,120 Speaker 3: Absolutely, and hopefully that voice that louder one you just 719 00:34:31,239 --> 00:34:32,400 Speaker 3: mentioned gets even louder. 720 00:34:32,960 --> 00:34:38,080 Speaker 1: I agree, absolutely, you are inspiring it. Charlie Arnault, thank 721 00:34:38,080 --> 00:34:40,560 Speaker 1: you so much for being on the podcast today. I 722 00:34:40,600 --> 00:34:43,320 Speaker 1: really appreciate it, of course, thank you so much. Yeah, 723 00:34:43,320 --> 00:34:46,520 Speaker 1: congratulations too, and good luck. You don't need luck though, 724 00:34:46,560 --> 00:34:48,240 Speaker 1: because what you're doing is already amazing. 725 00:34:48,280 --> 00:34:49,040 Speaker 2: Oh, thank you so much. 726 00:34:49,080 --> 00:34:52,120 Speaker 1: Appreciate that, and thank you all for joining us on 727 00:34:52,200 --> 00:34:55,120 Speaker 1: the Tutor Dixon Podcast. 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