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Speaker 1: Hello and welcome to Rewind with Karen and Georgia.

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Speaker 2: This is the show where we look back on our

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Speaker 2: old episodes from 2018 and we get to revisit the

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Speaker 2: incredible breaking news moment that we still can't believe we

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Speaker 2: were there for.

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Speaker 3: That's right.

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Speaker 1: In a very special Rewind today, we're rewinding to episode 118,

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Speaker 1: which we named Golden State Killer Caught.

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Speaker 4: It happened.

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Speaker 2: It was real. This episode originally came out on April 26, 2018.

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Speaker 1: All right, let's listen to the intro of episode 118.

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Speaker 4: Is that it?

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Speaker 3: Goodbye.

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Speaker 4: Oh, my God, you guys. Fuck, they caught the fucking

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Speaker 4: Golden State Killer. East Area motherfucking rapist. That.

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Speaker 2: This is one of the fucking weirdest experiences of my life.

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Speaker 4: Let's talk about last night. I'm laying in bed. I'm fucking...

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Speaker 4: I've been up since 5 a.m. I'm like, great.

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Speaker 1: I already know I'm going to need a Xanax to

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Speaker 1: go to sleep just for the fucking shit of it.

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Speaker 1: Because I drank a fucking cold brew that day. Then

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Speaker 1: I look at my text and immediately... And see what

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Speaker 1: I've fucking been hoping to see every morning I wake

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Speaker 1: up for fucking ever. You texting me and Steven. They

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Speaker 1: caught the Golden State Killer.

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Speaker 3: Yes.

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Speaker 1: And I fucking pop out of bed gasping, scaring the

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Speaker 1: shit out of Vince. He was like mad at me.

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Speaker 1: And I call you immediately.

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Speaker 2: I was driving home from the Hollywood Improv, just did

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Speaker 2: a show there, met some nice listeners who had come

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Speaker 2: to the show. I was having a wonderful evening.

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Speaker 4: Coming down off of that.

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Speaker 2: And I have to admit to you, although I was

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Speaker 2: not reading and driving, I waited for a red light.

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Speaker 2: But as I am addicted to Twitter, I opened my

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Speaker 2: Twitter account. And I'm actually going to read his name

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Speaker 2: because this is the first person who told me, which

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Speaker 2: means the world to me because someone was on it

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Speaker 2: and immediately was just like, did you hear this?

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Speaker 4: Everyone else who's tweeted us after loses to this guy.

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Speaker 2: His name's Eric, and it's at era, E-R-A, can't see.

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Speaker 2: And he wrote, they got him question mark. Reddit is excited.

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Speaker 2: So he basically came over and let me know. And

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Speaker 2: so at a red light, I, I opened this thing

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Speaker 2: and it's basically just like they, there is an arrest

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Speaker 2: and it's a hundred percent DNA match.

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Speaker 4: You know, I didn't see that part yet.

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Speaker 1: The thing that got me excited, like that I wasn't

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Speaker 1: just like, Oh, this is just another thing is when

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Speaker 1: I said, Oh, When you said Reddit's excited, I'm like, well,

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Speaker 1: if Reddit's excited, that's almost better than if fucking law

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Speaker 1: enforcement is excited.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, because I feel like Reddit is set up to

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Speaker 2: make people stop being excited.

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Speaker 4: Right. To shut them down.

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Speaker 2: It's like, no, no, you're being rash, you're being immature,

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Speaker 2: you're being too hopeful.

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Speaker 1: Or you're fucking pinning it on someone that has nothing

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Speaker 1: and stop it.

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Speaker 4: Exactly. Yes, that's a very important point to make.

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Speaker 2: Right.

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Speaker 1: So, and what happened, you know, then I lay down

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Speaker 1: and I start fucking Googling and Redditing and Twittering for

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Speaker 1: fucking hours.

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Speaker 4: And at first it was, they had the name of

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Speaker 4: some dude that it wasn't.

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Speaker 1: I'm not obviously going to say his name, but he

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Speaker 1: was also in law enforcement. You know, it could have

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Speaker 1: been him, all this shit. And so I did all

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Speaker 1: this fucking research on him. Then it wasn't him. So,

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Speaker 1: and like they put photos up, they put.

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Speaker 4: It's just... Of the wrong guy? Of the wrong guy.

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Speaker 4: But at the same time, this guy... This guy's a

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Speaker 4: piece of shit too. So, I mean, whatever. But it's

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Speaker 4: the wrong guy.

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Speaker 2: I think it's like, that's the thing that we were

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Speaker 2: was it Ken Kratz or whoever that guy is? It's

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Speaker 2: then we're just like, this is it. Joseph D'Angelo is the,

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Speaker 2: you know, police, police allege Joseph D'Angelo is the fucking

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Speaker 2: I think about is these days, how many fucking documentaries

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Speaker 2: have you seen where then they pull it all apart?

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Speaker 4: Right. But I know. Yes. The 100% DNA match is.

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Speaker 4: And the fact that I think that... Yeah, that does

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Speaker 4: make a huge difference. And also because that's been happening,

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Speaker 4: that happens so much, and what a huge high-profile case

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Speaker 4: this is with so many different jurisdictions, I don't think these...

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Speaker 4: People had to do.

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Speaker 1: So much fact-checking. They did not arrest this fucking guy

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Speaker 1: until they were sure. Otherwise, it would have looked really bad.

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Speaker 1: It would have made them look incompetent. It would have

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Speaker 1: been a ton of fucking jurisdictions that would have looked bad,

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Speaker 1: not just, you know, the fucking Manitoba County or whatever

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Speaker 1: the fuck.

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Speaker 4: Manitoba County? Okay. If you could get one question answered

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Speaker 4: right now. Well, let me, can I just also say this?

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Speaker 2: Never in my life have experienced this from the moment

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Speaker 2: you and I started talking last night.

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Speaker 4: I had like the Georgia.

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Speaker 2: So I text that then fucking thank God Georgia calls me.

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Speaker 2: Cause I was like, If I have to be by

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Speaker 2: myself with this information, I'm going to lose my mind.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: And Vince gave zero shits. He fucking fell asleep immediately.

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Speaker 2: Well, that'd be like him going like, oh my God,

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Speaker 2: mankind is going to star in a movie or something.

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Speaker 4: You're like, I want to care.

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Speaker 1: Well, I just said to him as he was leaving,

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Speaker 1: you know, we were supposed to go to breakfast. We

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Speaker 4: And then I was like, I'm sorry, this is my WrestleMania.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 4: He's like, I know. He understands. He lives it. He

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Speaker 4: lives it. He knows it. He made us coffee.

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Speaker 1: He made us like a spread as if we were

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Speaker 4: But I have to say, I've never had the experience

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Speaker 4: of when we started talking about the reality of it,

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Speaker 4: getting waves of chills and just continuing to get waves

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Speaker 4: of chills. I was laying down.

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Speaker 2: It was four hours later. I was still getting chills.

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Speaker 2: And it's like, it's a feeling that... that I think

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Speaker 4: Right. Everybody that cares about this case or has been

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Speaker 1: My favorite, I just, I mean, Reddit, I love Reddit.

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Speaker 1: And last night it was like, it was my like companion.

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Speaker 1: A couple of the things I thought were so funny.

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Speaker 4: One person put up a fuck. I should find them.

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Speaker 1: Can you find now put up a thing of that,

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Speaker 1: that there's going to be a fucking sale on yearbooks

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Speaker 1: from 1972 and 1973 in Sacramento today.

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Speaker 4: Yes.

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Speaker 1: And also that all the people who have a fucking

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Speaker 1: lifetime subscription to classmates dot com are really bummed right now.

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Speaker 4: They were like, should I do it a one year,

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Speaker 4: a three year or a lifetime? Right. And then they're

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Speaker 4: just like, why the lifetime? But you never know. Somebody

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Speaker 4: else could come up. Yeah. I mean, it's not. That's true.

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Speaker 2: Oh, it's so.

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Speaker 3: Crazy.

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Speaker 2: And then when we were talking about it on, like,

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Speaker 2: we were basically texting on two different threads.

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Speaker 4: You text me.

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Speaker 1: We were texting on two different threads because Steven hadn't

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Speaker 1: responded yet, which is so unlike Steven.

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Speaker 4: What were you doing? Steven's the first responder at all times.

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Speaker 4: Steven's the first. When I saw that tweet come in,

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Speaker 4: I thought it.

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Speaker 1: Was from Steven because he's the one who's always like

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Speaker 1: updating us on these crazy shit.

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Speaker 4: Yes. I was at Margaritaville. You are so fired. It's unbelievable.

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Speaker 4: Unbelievable how fired you are. You're beyond fired. Leave the equipment.

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Speaker 4: Get the fuck out of here. Show us how to

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Speaker 4: use it. Right. Feed my cats while we're in Europe.

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Speaker 4: Take care of business. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Please get the fuck out. And I just want to

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Speaker 1: say how Steven's mustache. Did you see me keep trying

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Speaker 1: to videotape you?

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Speaker 4: A little bit. You caught me. I don't, there's no

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Speaker 4: like casual way. It's my like anxious thing of like,

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Speaker 4: whole time. Well, I just wanted to be like, this

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Speaker 4: is how it is. I had my face. Fist in

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Speaker 2: Like I couldn't bite my nails enough. I just had

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Speaker 2: to then go full fist like an infant.

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Speaker 1: I mean, we were leaning closer and closer to the

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Speaker 4: Right. Oh, OK.

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Speaker 2: But also, I have to say, and just as like

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Speaker 2: the casual, almost like, you know. as this infotainment, um,

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Speaker 2: that was such an unsatisfying press conference because we know

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Speaker 2: he's in custody.

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Speaker 4: We now know his name. We know that.

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Speaker 2: I mean, that fucking mugshot is so uncool. It is

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Speaker 2: so unnerving and upsetting looking, but he did have some

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Speaker 2: scrapes on his forehead, which it looks like the cops

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Speaker 2: may have accidentally thrown an elbow.

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Speaker 1: Well, here's what, here's what I took away from them

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Speaker 1: explaining how they detained him, that they, uh, were suspecting

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Speaker 1: he was going to try to kill himself. Which I

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Speaker 1: know is something that happens a lot with older suspects

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Speaker 1: when they finally find them and they get that knock

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Speaker 1: at the door and they shoot themselves.

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Speaker 4: Yes, that's right. So it sounds like maybe they had a.

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Speaker 1: I mean, I'm just obviously conjecture being out of my mind.

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Speaker 3: Of course.

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Speaker 4: Maybe they had to like fucking tackle him to get

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Speaker 4: a gun away from him.

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Speaker 2: Yes, or they had some kind of... Like they were

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Speaker 2: so prepared because they had gone through so much heartbreak

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Speaker 2: that they already had a.

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Speaker 4: Guy coming in his back door. You know what I mean?

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Speaker 2: Something like that where it's just like... they, I would, uh,

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Speaker 2: first of all, I'm so mad. Paul holes didn't get

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Speaker 2: to talk during that.

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Speaker 1: You have basically, Paul's appearance view is way too high

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Speaker 1: at this point.

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Speaker 4: He's standing in the background. He press conference.

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Speaker 2: He was like the, the, um, he was the wallpaper

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Speaker 2: of that entire press conference.

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Speaker 4: And I was just like, step forward, cut out. It's

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Speaker 4: not even him.

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Speaker 1: He, like, sold them the cutout for $ 500 for a

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Speaker 2: And now it's going around to all the craft stores

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Speaker 2: in the area.

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Speaker 4: Right.

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Speaker 2: Because all the people that knit and do hand stitching and.

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Speaker 4: All that are like, yes, Pauls. But I wish... Yes.

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Speaker 2: Just like, I don't like this fact that there's data

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Speaker 4: Clearly.

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Speaker 1: Right.

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Speaker 4: How, what, where. Right.

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Speaker 1: Or even like, I mean, of course, what I'm dying

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Speaker 4: Enough to collect his DNA. Was it a tip? Was it,

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Speaker 1: I mean, he fits the profile is what's obvious about it.

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Speaker 4: Fucking, a couple of the sketches are like. dead on

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Speaker 1: You know, this thing obviously leads to this thing. You can't,

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Speaker 2: My obsession is like, I was like secretly in my mind,

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Speaker 4: He works at Cirque du Soleil.

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Speaker 1: Well, I wonder if they had that tip come in

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Speaker 4: Oh, right. Right.

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Speaker 1: So they went in and they asked hospitals around, like,

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Speaker 2: Because you can't, you can't do all the things that

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Speaker 4: You can't control two people, tie them up, all that shit.

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Speaker 1: I mean, so maybe that's the fucking thing that they

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Speaker 4: I don't know. I mean, it had to be someone

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Speaker 2: And now, so let's in the, uh, I think it's

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Speaker 3: Yes.

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Speaker 2: The reason that Joseph DeAngelo, who the police suspect is

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Speaker 4: is.

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Speaker 2: Because he was caught shoplifting dog repellent and a hammer

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Speaker 1: Tell me where that is. What's the place? What are

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Speaker 4: So it's actually not. So Auburn is rural as fuck.

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Speaker 4: And it's very like, it's not suburbs. It's like, no,

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Speaker 4: Is it like beautiful and people have expensive houses there? Yes.

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Speaker 2: I mean, I think it's a full range because you

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Speaker 2: Also remember that story I told you about the girl

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Speaker 4: So she's just started making that noise.

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Speaker 2: Yes.

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Speaker 4: That's Auburn. That happened in Auburn. Jesus.

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Speaker 2: So it's a little bit like It's as sketchy as

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Speaker 4: If you scream, your fucking neighbors aren't going to hear you.

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Speaker 4: If they hear you, they won't be there for seven minutes. Right.

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Speaker 4: And they also will mind their own fucking business.

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Speaker 4: He cut the dog if you listen to the book

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Speaker 4: yeah he cut a dog who came upon him while

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Speaker 4: he was prowling fucking cut the dog open dog survived

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Speaker 1: Which I have always wondered about. I got an email

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Speaker 4: It smells familiar. Right. Something like that.

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Speaker 2: And we were talking, you and I were talking about

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Speaker 4: Going to say anything about anybody but nope it's a

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Speaker 3: Right.

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Speaker 2: It can't be this old white guy in a white

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Speaker 2: It's just an old man that every once in a

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Speaker 4: We don't really know, but. And they were attacked. Right.

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Speaker 1: So God was, he was a cop, you know, was,

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Speaker 4: I would fucking glance right over them.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, especially like if he had the cop thing and

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Speaker 4: Town hall meeting, I think, yeah. And because they said

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Speaker 4: So he did that lie in that time frame. I

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Speaker 2: And then he could have even been standing in the front.

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Speaker 4: On stage fucking with a bunch of cops. It's a

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Speaker 1: And then, you know, on Reddit, they're talking about like, well,

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Speaker 4: Caught because he did a lot of fucking creepy weird

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: You know, and so someone needing to get off on

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Speaker 4: That would make sense. That fucking kleptomania thrill that you get.

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Speaker 2: But also because he was a cop, I bet you

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Speaker 4: Yeah. And so. But almost like, why would he do

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Speaker 2: There's you I know he's working on like fucking nine different.

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Speaker 4: Levels it's I wonder if the hammer like had the

449
00:18:55,020 --> 00:18:57,460
Speaker 4: name of the store on it the way they some

450
00:18:57,480 --> 00:18:59,040
Speaker 4: of them do and it's like he was gonna leave

451
00:18:59,100 --> 00:19:01,100
Speaker 4: it behind to be like I was even at this

452
00:19:01,140 --> 00:19:02,699
Speaker 4: store and you don't know who I am right I

453
00:19:02,740 --> 00:19:05,500
Speaker 4: didn't I didn't interact with a sales girl or whatever

454
00:19:05,520 --> 00:19:08,920
Speaker 4: yeah because then it would lead people there and then dead.

455
00:19:08,780 --> 00:19:10,680
Speaker 1: End because then this girl Sally would be like well

456
00:19:10,720 --> 00:19:12,440
Speaker 1: I sold a hammer to this.

457
00:19:12,600 --> 00:19:16,440
Speaker 4: Cop dude that I know dead end Doesn't matter. Nope.

458
00:19:16,619 --> 00:19:21,790
Speaker 4: Wouldn't happen. Yeah. No trace. It's beyond. They have to

459
00:19:21,850 --> 00:19:23,629
Speaker 4: make sure he doesn't kill himself. They have to get

460
00:19:23,670 --> 00:19:24,110
Speaker 4: him to talk.

461
00:19:24,190 --> 00:19:25,910
Speaker 1: This is the part that gave me the most fucking

462
00:19:25,950 --> 00:19:31,010
Speaker 1: chills that anything ever has. There's in Michelle's book, and

463
00:19:31,150 --> 00:19:34,410
Speaker 1: it's known that sometimes he would start crying in the middle.

464
00:19:35,070 --> 00:19:38,730
Speaker 1: and say, I'm sorry, mommy, or fuck you, mommy, and

465
00:19:38,770 --> 00:19:40,590
Speaker 1: like kind of lose it. And a lot of people

466
00:19:40,609 --> 00:19:42,890
Speaker 1: were wondering, you know, was that just him? Is that

467
00:19:42,910 --> 00:19:45,689
Speaker 1: like a red herring? Is he trying to throw them

468
00:19:45,790 --> 00:19:46,889
Speaker 1: off and they can think he's crazy?

469
00:19:46,930 --> 00:19:47,670
Speaker 4: Something like that.

470
00:19:47,690 --> 00:19:48,290
Speaker 2: Okay.

471
00:19:48,690 --> 00:19:51,870
Speaker 4: So this guy, the fucking amazing sleuths on Reddit did

472
00:19:51,990 --> 00:19:53,310
Speaker 4: all this fucking sleuthing.

473
00:19:53,330 --> 00:19:58,690
Speaker 1: This guy, Joseph fucking D'Angelo, when he was younger was engaged.

474
00:19:58,710 --> 00:20:02,379
Speaker 1: They found the engagement fucking article to a woman named Bonnie.

475
00:20:04,100 --> 00:20:07,690
Speaker 1: Bonnie married someone else. He married someone else. And that

476
00:20:07,730 --> 00:20:11,609
Speaker 1: was in 1976. And one of the women who was

477
00:20:11,650 --> 00:20:15,359
Speaker 1: sexually assaulted insisted that, no, he laid down and said, fuck.

478
00:20:15,140 --> 00:20:21,280
Speaker 4: You, Bonnie. I remember that. Not fuck you, mommy. Wow. So... Yeah,

479
00:20:21,300 --> 00:20:24,060
Speaker 4: I remember reading the fuck you, Bonnie thing recently.

480
00:20:24,320 --> 00:20:26,660
Speaker 1: And this dude was fucking engaged to a woman named

481
00:20:26,700 --> 00:20:28,790
Speaker 1: Bonnie and the engagement got broken off somehow.

482
00:20:28,980 --> 00:20:32,270
Speaker 2: And was that the piece that made the final thing

483
00:20:32,290 --> 00:20:33,109
Speaker 2: go click?

484
00:20:33,330 --> 00:20:33,590
Speaker 3: Right.

485
00:20:33,890 --> 00:20:38,510
Speaker 2: Could just uncovering that, an old engagement, that shit doesn't

486
00:20:38,530 --> 00:20:40,189
Speaker 2: get recorded by the county.

487
00:20:40,260 --> 00:20:40,359
Speaker 3: No.

488
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Speaker 4: The only weddings do. Right. How would you know that

489
00:20:43,200 --> 00:20:45,739
Speaker 4: unless suddenly Bonnie's like... Is Bonnie the one who's like,

490
00:20:45,780 --> 00:20:46,980
Speaker 4: you need to look at my fucking ex?

491
00:20:47,000 --> 00:20:47,080
Speaker 3: Yes.

492
00:20:47,859 --> 00:20:49,440
Speaker 4: He was, I broke off my engagement with him for

493
00:20:49,619 --> 00:20:51,500
Speaker 4: whatever fucking reason. For this reason and that reason. Because

494
00:20:51,520 --> 00:20:55,740
Speaker 4: he liked to eat fucking dog repellent. I don't know. Wait, what?

495
00:20:55,760 --> 00:20:58,280
Speaker 4: That was the other one. There was another one that

496
00:20:58,300 --> 00:21:07,710
Speaker 4: was fucking great. What was it? Jesus Christ. It's so. Shaking.

497
00:21:08,910 --> 00:21:10,510
Speaker 4: It's like a million. It's almost like.

498
00:21:11,760 --> 00:21:15,879
Speaker 2: The feeling is supposed to be that like the Homeland

499
00:21:16,140 --> 00:21:17,400
Speaker 2: red string board.

500
00:21:17,720 --> 00:21:19,730
Speaker 4: It's almost like now we're done with that. But actually

501
00:21:20,090 --> 00:21:22,450
Speaker 4: a brand new one is starting. There's even more now.

502
00:21:22,550 --> 00:21:24,090
Speaker 4: There's even more of those red fucking strings.

503
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Speaker 1: Things i want to know like what connection he we

504
00:21:27,470 --> 00:21:29,010
Speaker 1: still don't know what connection he had to the other

505
00:21:29,050 --> 00:21:31,100
Speaker 1: cities there's always been this guess of like maybe well

506
00:21:31,119 --> 00:21:33,580
Speaker 1: there was the um a city planner maybe he worked

507
00:21:33,600 --> 00:21:35,760
Speaker 1: for an architecture firm right so what's the thing about

508
00:21:36,200 --> 00:21:37,020
Speaker 1: this company he.

509
00:21:36,960 --> 00:21:41,060
Speaker 2: Worked for so there was um an article that they

510
00:21:41,160 --> 00:21:43,359
Speaker 2: found or it looked like it was something out of

511
00:21:43,400 --> 00:21:46,000
Speaker 2: an old yearbook so this is like the yearbook uh

512
00:21:46,080 --> 00:21:48,800
Speaker 2: data okay and it said that he i think it

513
00:21:48,840 --> 00:21:51,679
Speaker 2: might have been his his his his little thing they

514
00:21:51,720 --> 00:21:53,129
Speaker 2: used to write a little chunk under.

515
00:21:53,070 --> 00:21:55,369
Speaker 4: Instead of like a club being what was in and

516
00:21:55,390 --> 00:21:58,210
Speaker 4: what instrument so he worked for a place called sierra

517
00:21:58,369 --> 00:22:01,310
Speaker 4: hoist and hall or some shit like that yeah i

518
00:22:01,330 --> 00:22:03,810
Speaker 4: have the name in here they always thought he either

519
00:22:03,890 --> 00:22:07,270
Speaker 4: had construction connections or he was in a class learning

520
00:22:07,310 --> 00:22:10,990
Speaker 4: how to be an architecture or like a landscape designer that's.

521
00:22:10,790 --> 00:22:14,910
Speaker 1: Because of the homework uh fucking evidence which is like

522
00:22:15,050 --> 00:22:17,650
Speaker 1: my favorite fucking evidence in the world it's so creepy

523
00:22:17,690 --> 00:22:18,090
Speaker 1: and on the.

524
00:22:18,090 --> 00:22:20,010
Speaker 2: Back of it this is from your spinoff podcast my

525
00:22:20,050 --> 00:22:25,399
Speaker 2: favorite evidence Oh, I didn't tell you read evidence in

526
00:22:25,420 --> 00:22:28,700
Speaker 2: a fucking monotone voice where he writes punishment on.

527
00:22:28,660 --> 00:22:30,380
Speaker 1: The back of a piece of paper at that point,

528
00:22:30,420 --> 00:22:32,420
Speaker 1: that part and fucking I'll be gone in the dark

529
00:22:32,480 --> 00:22:33,359
Speaker 1: is chilling.

530
00:22:33,400 --> 00:22:34,600
Speaker 4: Okay, go on. It's so scary.

531
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Speaker 2: So no, no, no, but it's just, there are things

532
00:22:37,670 --> 00:22:41,710
Speaker 2: on that. uh that company he was a diver which

533
00:22:41,930 --> 00:22:45,670
Speaker 2: you know divers have like nuts bodies like like you

534
00:22:45,710 --> 00:22:48,889
Speaker 2: have to be fit like crazy and humongous calves right

535
00:22:49,070 --> 00:22:51,850
Speaker 2: swimmer divers they have to stand on their toes on

536
00:22:51,890 --> 00:22:53,430
Speaker 2: a diving board their.

537
00:22:53,250 --> 00:22:55,830
Speaker 1: Calves are themselves up and that means he was a

538
00:22:55,850 --> 00:22:58,410
Speaker 1: good swimmer probably too which is like calves for days

539
00:22:58,570 --> 00:23:00,290
Speaker 1: yeah so wait tell me more about the arc of

540
00:23:00,330 --> 00:23:02,500
Speaker 1: the the company that what.

541
00:23:02,430 --> 00:23:04,900
Speaker 4: Do they do I don't know. I have no idea.

542
00:23:04,980 --> 00:23:08,879
Speaker 2: I just saw that it's Sierra Hoist and Crane. So

543
00:23:08,940 --> 00:23:11,800
Speaker 2: it's basically if you have anything that you need.

544
00:23:11,609 --> 00:23:13,380
Speaker 4: Pulled up by a crane. Oh, I thought those were

545
00:23:13,440 --> 00:23:15,830
Speaker 4: last names. Or pulled out. No, no, no. It's like

546
00:23:15,930 --> 00:23:17,909
Speaker 4: the two things the company does. Oh, they hoist stuff

547
00:23:18,150 --> 00:23:19,450
Speaker 4: and they crane shit.

548
00:23:19,630 --> 00:23:21,690
Speaker 2: And they will drive a crane somewhere and they will

549
00:23:21,730 --> 00:23:22,969
Speaker 2: hoist the fuck out of something for you.

550
00:23:23,010 --> 00:23:24,750
Speaker 4: Dude, I was like, Mr. Hoist and Mr. Crane? I

551
00:23:24,770 --> 00:23:26,609
Speaker 4: wonder why they hired this teen. Mr.

552
00:23:26,650 --> 00:23:28,950
Speaker 2: Hoist was the worst boss. He was such a dick.

553
00:23:29,109 --> 00:23:30,590
Speaker 2: You couldn't be four minutes late.

554
00:23:30,609 --> 00:23:31,570
Speaker 4: Oh my God.

555
00:23:31,609 --> 00:23:33,290
Speaker 2: Yeah, so there's just a little bit of that like

556
00:23:33,810 --> 00:23:35,760
Speaker 2: It's just these things that we have no idea how

557
00:23:35,800 --> 00:23:38,649
Speaker 2: they actually apply, but then your mind is going crazy

558
00:23:38,690 --> 00:23:41,710
Speaker 2: of like, But just for years thinking about this stuff

559
00:23:41,770 --> 00:23:43,670
Speaker 2: and not having an answer and suddenly just being like.

560
00:23:43,910 --> 00:23:44,310
Speaker 3: Oh, yeah.

561
00:23:44,330 --> 00:23:45,530
Speaker 4: Hoist and crane means.

562
00:23:45,350 --> 00:23:48,010
Speaker 2: They pulled trees out of the lots where they eventually

563
00:23:48,070 --> 00:23:50,530
Speaker 2: built those... You know, that's what my mind did. And

564
00:23:50,570 --> 00:23:54,010
Speaker 2: I think this is that special circumstance of like... It's

565
00:23:54,050 --> 00:23:56,390
Speaker 2: as if we all love the Philadelphia Eagles. Right.

566
00:23:57,430 --> 00:23:59,510
Speaker 4: I've never understood sports fans. I get it now. This

567
00:23:59,570 --> 00:24:02,360
Speaker 4: is it. This is the feeling of... You're so engaged.

568
00:24:02,380 --> 00:24:04,280
Speaker 4: You've been following it for so long. You care about

569
00:24:04,300 --> 00:24:08,300
Speaker 4: these people. Our team... Has had bad luck for fucking

570
00:24:08,300 --> 00:24:11,860
Speaker 4: 40 years and everyone thinks that we're cursed and we

571
00:24:11,960 --> 00:24:14,120
Speaker 4: fucking won today. Yeah. The Superbowl.

572
00:24:14,340 --> 00:24:17,400
Speaker 2: Also those women who appeared in the case file three

573
00:24:17,440 --> 00:24:20,700
Speaker 2: part series that were the victims that spoke for themselves.

574
00:24:20,720 --> 00:24:23,220
Speaker 4: That they're fucking the woman whose mother was the victim,

575
00:24:23,340 --> 00:24:24,220
Speaker 4: their sisters or family.

576
00:24:24,880 --> 00:24:27,120
Speaker 2: That she they read that ann marie read that that

577
00:24:27,160 --> 00:24:29,230
Speaker 2: was her letter that was dead from debbie because her

578
00:24:29,290 --> 00:24:31,649
Speaker 2: mom was murdered and that part of that book is

579
00:24:31,670 --> 00:24:34,830
Speaker 2: so fucking sad when she's like the rebellious teenage daughter

580
00:24:34,850 --> 00:24:36,110
Speaker 2: and then she comes home one day and her.

581
00:24:36,050 --> 00:24:39,340
Speaker 4: Mother's murdered it's so bad and his brother speaking yeah

582
00:24:39,380 --> 00:24:41,280
Speaker 4: they're the fucking players and we were rooting for them

583
00:24:41,320 --> 00:24:43,619
Speaker 4: this whole time and they finally fucking won and they

584
00:24:43,680 --> 00:24:50,609
Speaker 4: had to like they have had to endure that motherfucker Oh,

585
00:24:50,630 --> 00:24:52,190
Speaker 4: I thought you meant that in a positive way.

586
00:24:52,250 --> 00:24:52,570
Speaker 1: No, no, no.

587
00:24:52,570 --> 00:24:54,230
Speaker 4: That motherfucking badass motherfucker.

588
00:24:54,280 --> 00:24:58,500
Speaker 2: The East Area Rapist and the Golden State Killer, allegedly

589
00:24:58,580 --> 00:25:03,100
Speaker 2: Joseph D'Angelo, as police have named by 100% DNA match,

590
00:25:05,040 --> 00:25:08,270
Speaker 2: would call them. And harassed them years afterwards.

591
00:25:08,490 --> 00:25:10,169
Speaker 4: That's another one of the things. So fucked up. It's

592
00:25:10,190 --> 00:25:11,750
Speaker 4: so fucked up. That's another one of the things is

593
00:25:11,790 --> 00:25:15,330
Speaker 4: there's that, we all watched the, it was the ID special.

594
00:25:15,430 --> 00:25:18,840
Speaker 4: What was it called? It's not over yet until it's over. Yes. Remember?

595
00:25:18,880 --> 00:25:21,420
Speaker 4: The Golden State Killer. It's not over. Right. So that's

596
00:25:21,460 --> 00:25:22,560
Speaker 4: an incredible documentary.

597
00:25:22,700 --> 00:25:25,400
Speaker 1: And actually one of the guys, the like arm, they

598
00:25:25,420 --> 00:25:27,920
Speaker 1: keep calling the armchair detective or whatever. He's one of

599
00:25:27,940 --> 00:25:30,449
Speaker 1: the guys on Reddit who was like, out like he

600
00:25:30,490 --> 00:25:30,910
Speaker 1: was the one.

601
00:25:30,869 --> 00:25:33,030
Speaker 4: To follow he was telling us everything knew it all

602
00:25:33,070 --> 00:25:35,169
Speaker 4: yeah so he they posted he was great in that

603
00:25:35,210 --> 00:25:36,330
Speaker 4: special he was really good.

604
00:25:36,550 --> 00:25:39,820
Speaker 1: They posted a thing uh about one of the calls

605
00:25:39,840 --> 00:25:43,240
Speaker 1: it was recorded the gonna kill you recording yes and

606
00:25:43,420 --> 00:25:46,119
Speaker 1: everyone tried to figure out in the in the documentary

607
00:25:46,240 --> 00:25:48,350
Speaker 1: what was playing in the background it sounded like people

608
00:25:48,390 --> 00:25:51,260
Speaker 1: were talking I went down that rabbit hole one night

609
00:25:51,320 --> 00:25:52,420
Speaker 1: and it was, they.

610
00:25:52,320 --> 00:25:53,939
Speaker 4: Figured out what movie it was. No, no, no.

611
00:25:54,000 --> 00:25:56,379
Speaker 1: It was a TV movie from the 1970s and they

612
00:25:56,440 --> 00:25:58,820
Speaker 1: figured out what part of the movie it was. But

613
00:25:58,900 --> 00:26:01,280
Speaker 1: now they're saying this one guy, this random fucking dude

614
00:26:01,320 --> 00:26:03,180
Speaker 1: on Reddit posted, yeah, but I think I heard some

615
00:26:03,220 --> 00:26:08,520
Speaker 1: like a police scanner chatter in the background. And it

616
00:26:08,580 --> 00:26:10,700
Speaker 1: was just a blip. It was just a fucking blip

617
00:26:10,790 --> 00:26:13,470
Speaker 1: on Reddit. And it's fucking legit.

618
00:26:13,530 --> 00:26:17,050
Speaker 4: It's true. That's what they fucking heard. Not because he

619
00:26:17,070 --> 00:26:19,649
Speaker 4: had a fucking scanner, because it was a He was

620
00:26:19,690 --> 00:26:21,570
Speaker 4: a cop. I've had a lot of coffee.

621
00:26:22,109 --> 00:26:27,000
Speaker 2: No, no, no. Look, this is like, this is an explosion.

622
00:26:27,119 --> 00:26:31,310
Speaker 2: This is a fucking explosion. I just didn't think it

623
00:26:31,350 --> 00:26:32,050
Speaker 2: was going to happen.

624
00:26:32,250 --> 00:26:36,470
Speaker 4: I really didn't. I just bought a... What is it

625
00:26:36,490 --> 00:26:38,270
Speaker 4: called when you monitor your heart to see how fast

626
00:26:38,330 --> 00:26:42,169
Speaker 4: it's beating? Was it a heart monitor? Yeah. Should we

627
00:26:42,190 --> 00:26:43,300
Speaker 4: go see? Like a cuff?

628
00:26:43,470 --> 00:26:43,970
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah.

629
00:26:44,100 --> 00:26:45,260
Speaker 4: Put your cuff on. Okay, I'm going to go get

630
00:26:45,280 --> 00:26:47,400
Speaker 4: it for us and we're going to see. Yeah, let's

631
00:26:47,440 --> 00:26:52,180
Speaker 4: keep you medically observed. No, I just... It is such

632
00:26:52,220 --> 00:26:53,560
Speaker 4: a strange. No, it's funny.

633
00:26:53,580 --> 00:26:55,639
Speaker 2: Let's just see how you're doing. But also we have

634
00:26:55,660 --> 00:26:58,880
Speaker 2: to add the coffee element into it as well. We've

635
00:26:58,900 --> 00:27:00,500
Speaker 2: all been drinking a lot of coffee.

636
00:27:00,520 --> 00:27:01,180
Speaker 4: You know what?

637
00:27:01,560 --> 00:27:01,780
Speaker 3: What?

638
00:27:02,440 --> 00:27:04,740
Speaker 4: I'm not going to do it. How come? Because it's weird.

639
00:27:04,760 --> 00:27:08,439
Speaker 4: Blood pressure. You don't want people knowing about your blood pressure.

640
00:27:08,460 --> 00:27:11,670
Speaker 4: My blood pressure cuff. Well, how to begin with right now. Anyways,

641
00:27:11,690 --> 00:27:12,590
Speaker 4: that's not what we're talking about.

642
00:27:12,810 --> 00:27:15,730
Speaker 2: I'm just texting with my friend, Dave Escondari, who we

643
00:27:16,010 --> 00:27:18,290
Speaker 2: all lived in Sacramento at the same time, went to

644
00:27:19,340 --> 00:27:21,740
Speaker 2: We kind of all were like dropouts that then ended

645
00:27:21,780 --> 00:27:24,399
Speaker 2: up going to Sacramento, that Sac City was the junior

646
00:27:24,440 --> 00:27:24,970
Speaker 2: college there.

647
00:27:25,630 --> 00:27:27,090
Speaker 4: And he and.

648
00:27:28,490 --> 00:27:31,060
Speaker 2: We had this group of friends, like six friends, and

649
00:27:31,119 --> 00:27:32,440
Speaker 2: we jokingly called ourselves friends.

650
00:27:33,250 --> 00:27:36,170
Speaker 4: The 18th street. Oh my God. Because we all lived

651
00:27:36,210 --> 00:27:38,050
Speaker 4: on 18th street, but it was sarcastic. But then we

652
00:27:38,109 --> 00:27:40,660
Speaker 4: actually started doing it for real. The hell cats. Um,

653
00:27:41,140 --> 00:27:43,680
Speaker 4: but he texted me this morning and I was like,

654
00:27:43,940 --> 00:27:45,220
Speaker 4: isn't it weird? We lived there.

655
00:27:45,400 --> 00:27:48,480
Speaker 2: Like this is this thing that, that in my, in

656
00:27:48,540 --> 00:27:51,580
Speaker 2: all my ego maniacism, I'm just like, but this is

657
00:27:51,619 --> 00:27:53,820
Speaker 2: a weird thing where this is part of my history.

658
00:27:53,880 --> 00:27:56,560
Speaker 2: Like I do know I had my, like when I

659
00:27:56,600 --> 00:27:58,869
Speaker 2: said to my sister today, I of course called her

660
00:27:58,880 --> 00:28:00,550
Speaker 2: in the morning and was like, They caught him.

661
00:28:00,570 --> 00:28:01,290
Speaker 4: He's this, he's that.

662
00:28:02,070 --> 00:28:04,070
Speaker 2: And when I said he lives in Citrus Heights, the

663
00:28:04,109 --> 00:28:06,950
Speaker 2: man they arrested lives in Citrus Heights. My sister goes, oh,

664
00:28:07,550 --> 00:28:08,770
Speaker 2: remember when we used to have to drive out to

665
00:28:08,850 --> 00:28:10,950
Speaker 2: Citrus Heights when I had to do that thing for work?

666
00:28:11,050 --> 00:28:13,310
Speaker 2: And like we started talking about and it's what I've

667
00:28:13,330 --> 00:28:15,389
Speaker 2: already told you, but there is this there is a

668
00:28:15,990 --> 00:28:18,590
Speaker 2: bleakness or there was in the 90s, the 80s and

669
00:28:18,850 --> 00:28:22,800
Speaker 2: 90s in Sacramento and this like. these long streets that

670
00:28:22,840 --> 00:28:25,990
Speaker 2: went on forever. And all it was, was asphalt and

671
00:28:26,050 --> 00:28:29,379
Speaker 2: mini malls and, and a horizon that had nothing on it.

672
00:28:29,770 --> 00:28:33,050
Speaker 2: And it, I thought I was fucking dying every day

673
00:28:33,090 --> 00:28:36,149
Speaker 2: in that city. And just that idea that like, it

674
00:28:36,250 --> 00:28:39,180
Speaker 2: almost feels, I know it's all serving. It just almost

675
00:28:39,220 --> 00:28:40,960
Speaker 2: feels like I was justified a little.

676
00:28:40,840 --> 00:28:44,680
Speaker 4: Bit, like bad fucking vibes. Those bad vibes were real.

677
00:28:44,860 --> 00:28:48,360
Speaker 1: I keep thinking about, so I'm from Irvine where a couple,

678
00:28:48,460 --> 00:28:51,920
Speaker 1: like the later and the where when I was a

679
00:28:51,970 --> 00:28:55,620
Speaker 1: kid growing up there, there was a couple incidents there

680
00:28:55,640 --> 00:28:56,540
Speaker 1: and murders and stuff.

681
00:28:57,180 --> 00:28:57,900
Speaker 4: It's too much.

682
00:28:58,060 --> 00:28:58,200
Speaker 3: It's.

683
00:28:59,130 --> 00:29:02,310
Speaker 2: It's a weird, like, suddenly you're watching a movie and

684
00:29:02,350 --> 00:29:04,470
Speaker 2: suddenly you walk by in the background as an eight-year-old.

685
00:29:04,490 --> 00:29:05,510
Speaker 4: Right. That's the feeling.

686
00:29:05,530 --> 00:29:08,690
Speaker 2: It's this weird, like, am I a background player in

687
00:29:08,730 --> 00:29:11,550
Speaker 2: this thing? Which is just, I think that's just human,

688
00:29:11,570 --> 00:29:14,600
Speaker 2: that's human nature. Human narcissism, a little bit.

689
00:29:15,060 --> 00:29:15,780
Speaker 3: Fair enough.

690
00:29:15,990 --> 00:29:16,950
Speaker 4: I mean, fine.

691
00:29:17,200 --> 00:29:19,960
Speaker 1: Well, it's the places that we thought of and that

692
00:29:20,020 --> 00:29:24,460
Speaker 1: we inhabited that were sinister and dark and.

693
00:29:25,240 --> 00:29:27,810
Speaker 4: Either we're not at all what we thought they were

694
00:29:27,900 --> 00:29:30,510
Speaker 4: or were exactly what they thought we thought they were

695
00:29:30,510 --> 00:29:32,380
Speaker 4: if we were creepy kids. Yeah, that's right.

696
00:29:32,380 --> 00:29:34,890
Speaker 2: It's like maybe we were getting a psychic feeling. yeah

697
00:29:34,950 --> 00:29:38,670
Speaker 2: maybe it was just too much asphalt from my precious

698
00:29:38,990 --> 00:29:41,170
Speaker 2: you know delicate system.

699
00:29:40,830 --> 00:29:43,190
Speaker 1: Maybe your brain inhaled too much asphalt can i give

700
00:29:43,230 --> 00:29:45,950
Speaker 1: a shout out really quickly uh to a murderino on

701
00:29:46,010 --> 00:29:51,950
Speaker 1: twitter her name is kara stone it's k-u-r-r-a lynn she

702
00:29:52,020 --> 00:29:55,360
Speaker 1: tweeted uh just snuck into the press only conference for

703
00:29:55,380 --> 00:29:58,700
Speaker 1: the golden state killer by saying i was with ssdgm

704
00:29:58,780 --> 00:30:01,200
Speaker 1: daily news Honey.

705
00:30:01,220 --> 00:30:04,780
Speaker 2: And, and did she make fake press credentials or did

706
00:30:04,800 --> 00:30:07,270
Speaker 2: she just fucking, she just like, you don't need them

707
00:30:07,310 --> 00:30:08,030
Speaker 2: if you're confident.

708
00:30:08,210 --> 00:30:09,830
Speaker 4: She just nailed it. She had her little hat with

709
00:30:09,850 --> 00:30:11,390
Speaker 4: the word press on the hat on the ring.

710
00:30:11,470 --> 00:30:13,670
Speaker 1: Oh, she says, I'm kind of freaking out because I'm

711
00:30:13,710 --> 00:30:16,410
Speaker 1: wearing my murderino shirt and everyone else is dressed very nice.

712
00:30:16,730 --> 00:30:19,600
Speaker 4: I don't, I didn't think this one through. Then let's

713
00:30:19,620 --> 00:30:23,400
Speaker 4: see what she wrote. Will you be live tweeting? She said,

714
00:30:23,460 --> 00:30:25,760
Speaker 4: I'm trying to look casual because people are staring at me. Yeah.

715
00:30:26,360 --> 00:30:28,400
Speaker 4: I love her so much. Girl, she risked it all

716
00:30:28,420 --> 00:30:33,880
Speaker 4: for the SSDGM news. Someone says you didn't lie, though. Yeah,

717
00:30:33,900 --> 00:30:36,580
Speaker 4: that's true. You are with us. You are now. Yeah.

718
00:30:37,120 --> 00:30:41,360
Speaker 4: Then I think that's all she wrote. She's probably in

719
00:30:41,380 --> 00:30:46,420
Speaker 4: fucking jail, right? County jail. Because she will bail her out. No,

720
00:30:47,180 --> 00:30:49,850
Speaker 4: we will not ever. If you do something, you're on

721
00:30:49,870 --> 00:30:52,910
Speaker 4: your own. Steven will use his money that we pay

722
00:30:52,970 --> 00:30:55,350
Speaker 4: him finally. His birthday money. His birthday money. We got

723
00:30:55,450 --> 00:30:57,190
Speaker 4: him a U.S. bond.

724
00:30:57,230 --> 00:30:57,770
Speaker 3: Bail money.

725
00:30:57,790 --> 00:30:58,390
Speaker 4: For his birthday.

726
00:30:58,410 --> 00:30:58,850
Speaker 3: Mm-hmm.

727
00:30:59,510 --> 00:31:01,010
Speaker 4: Um okay that's.

728
00:31:00,790 --> 00:31:02,470
Speaker 2: It that well it looked like they were having that

729
00:31:02,590 --> 00:31:06,280
Speaker 2: obviously that press conference like in front of the station

730
00:31:06,320 --> 00:31:09,280
Speaker 2: river so i wonder how they would have gotten it

731
00:31:09,340 --> 00:31:11,220
Speaker 2: like you're not allowed in and you are allowed.

732
00:31:11,060 --> 00:31:13,540
Speaker 4: In i think pretty easily i bet she could like

733
00:31:13,620 --> 00:31:17,180
Speaker 4: parking lot parking lot style yeah i mean yeah i've

734
00:31:17,400 --> 00:31:20,990
Speaker 4: i've lied by saying i'm with my community college journalism

735
00:31:21,030 --> 00:31:23,910
Speaker 4: team to get into like things before nice it's not

736
00:31:23,970 --> 00:31:25,680
Speaker 4: true What else?

737
00:31:26,050 --> 00:31:27,650
Speaker 2: It wasn't true that you were on the journalism team

738
00:31:27,670 --> 00:31:29,550
Speaker 2: or the whole story you just told me wasn't true.

739
00:31:30,050 --> 00:31:34,690
Speaker 4: No, the journalism team. I don't know. I've never snuck in. Oh,

740
00:31:34,710 --> 00:31:37,150
Speaker 4: that's true. Um, Howard Dean conference.

741
00:31:38,420 --> 00:31:38,740
Speaker 3: No.

742
00:31:39,160 --> 00:31:41,860
Speaker 4: Are you there when he did the weird screen? Unfortunately

743
00:31:41,880 --> 00:31:44,480
Speaker 4: I was there like two weeks before and I was like,

744
00:31:44,760 --> 00:31:48,070
Speaker 4: I love this guy. Howard Dean. Howard Dean was great.

745
00:31:48,090 --> 00:31:51,680
Speaker 4: And then he fucking screamed. Um, What was I going

746
00:31:51,720 --> 00:31:52,000
Speaker 4: to say?

747
00:31:52,020 --> 00:31:52,460
Speaker 1: Okay.

748
00:31:52,480 --> 00:31:54,640
Speaker 4: If you could get one, like, how do you do

749
00:31:54,700 --> 00:31:58,370
Speaker 4: it question or one, like, why, why this, why did

750
00:31:58,390 --> 00:32:05,360
Speaker 4: he do this answered? What would it be? Or like confirmation,

751
00:32:05,400 --> 00:32:06,960
Speaker 4: because I have this thing of like the.

752
00:32:06,880 --> 00:32:09,280
Speaker 1: Couple that was killed, which is what he got arrested

753
00:32:09,320 --> 00:32:13,120
Speaker 1: for in Sacramento, because the goddamn motherfucking statute of limitations

754
00:32:13,280 --> 00:32:15,340
Speaker 1: about rape ends pretty quickly.

755
00:32:15,400 --> 00:32:17,820
Speaker 4: So it wouldn't matter anyways. So they got him on

756
00:32:17,860 --> 00:32:19,980
Speaker 4: these murders. But so the murder. I feel like that's

757
00:32:20,040 --> 00:32:22,340
Speaker 4: changing in places, though, isn't it? One would hope. I

758
00:32:22,420 --> 00:32:24,940
Speaker 4: think there was one story we read where they were changing.

759
00:32:24,980 --> 00:32:25,940
Speaker 4: They are. Yeah.

760
00:32:25,960 --> 00:32:29,940
Speaker 1: So Brian and Kate Majore, they were that sweet couple

761
00:32:30,240 --> 00:32:31,800
Speaker 1: who were walking their poodle.

762
00:32:32,740 --> 00:32:35,870
Speaker 4: And, and it's just like a, it's a freak thing

763
00:32:36,050 --> 00:32:36,750
Speaker 4: that didn't.

764
00:32:36,610 --> 00:32:40,050
Speaker 1: Fit the MO at all, but was for various reasons,

765
00:32:40,210 --> 00:32:43,610
Speaker 1: you know, pretty sure that it was East area rapist. They,

766
00:32:43,790 --> 00:32:46,440
Speaker 1: they encountered him somehow and he, he chased them down

767
00:32:46,480 --> 00:32:49,840
Speaker 1: and shot them in a backyard and threw their poodle

768
00:32:49,960 --> 00:32:52,900
Speaker 1: in the pool, which is creepy and weird.

769
00:32:52,940 --> 00:32:55,340
Speaker 4: So maybe the poodle happened upon him and was barking.

770
00:32:55,360 --> 00:32:56,200
Speaker 4: And so he threw it in the pool.

771
00:32:56,220 --> 00:33:00,060
Speaker 1: They got an altercation or maybe Brian fucking recognized him.

772
00:33:00,800 --> 00:33:03,600
Speaker 1: him as a fellow cop because he was an air

773
00:33:03,640 --> 00:33:07,680
Speaker 1: force officer and so he had to kill them.

774
00:33:08,540 --> 00:33:10,540
Speaker 4: This is different than this time where there was an

775
00:33:10,780 --> 00:33:13,640
Speaker 4: fbi agent that chased him down that's a different one

776
00:33:13,680 --> 00:33:15,160
Speaker 4: right who got he got on a bike and then

777
00:33:15,180 --> 00:33:16,760
Speaker 4: he was in a car no that's a different one

778
00:33:16,780 --> 00:33:18,820
Speaker 4: that's so crazy and that guy got shot but didn't

779
00:33:18,880 --> 00:33:20,310
Speaker 4: die right i don't know if you guys i don't

780
00:33:20,330 --> 00:33:22,830
Speaker 4: know that part okay yeah it's so because it went

781
00:33:22,870 --> 00:33:25,030
Speaker 4: on so long and there's all these there's so many

782
00:33:25,070 --> 00:33:27,130
Speaker 4: of 50 sexual.

783
00:33:26,790 --> 00:33:29,120
Speaker 2: Assaults And there are people who know every single one

784
00:33:29,160 --> 00:33:32,440
Speaker 2: of these incidents. And we know like the people on

785
00:33:32,480 --> 00:33:36,090
Speaker 2: Reddit are like MIT and we are essentially entertainment tonight.

786
00:33:36,190 --> 00:33:39,070
Speaker 4: Absolutely. So like, if you want good, the good stuff,

787
00:33:39,490 --> 00:33:40,170
Speaker 4: go onto.

788
00:33:39,990 --> 00:33:41,810
Speaker 2: These Reddit threads because there are people that have been

789
00:33:41,870 --> 00:33:44,050
Speaker 2: working on this shit for fucking eight years.

790
00:33:44,150 --> 00:33:47,320
Speaker 1: And, uh, I mean, I'm wondering how, how many more

791
00:33:47,360 --> 00:33:49,100
Speaker 1: are now going to be tied in that don't have

792
00:33:49,140 --> 00:33:52,880
Speaker 1: DNA or he's gonna, they said, I remember seeing he's

793
00:33:52,940 --> 00:33:55,110
Speaker 1: talking about They caught this guy last night.

794
00:33:55,160 --> 00:33:56,190
Speaker 4: He's talking. Right.

795
00:33:56,390 --> 00:33:58,410
Speaker 1: I wonder if he's just like, you know, because a

796
00:33:58,430 --> 00:34:00,730
Speaker 1: lot of these fucking killers are actually cocky at the

797
00:34:00,770 --> 00:34:02,630
Speaker 1: end of the day and they want to be like, no, no, no,

798
00:34:02,670 --> 00:34:03,590
Speaker 1: that's not how it happened.

799
00:34:03,610 --> 00:34:05,350
Speaker 4: And they want credit for these things that they're not

800
00:34:05,370 --> 00:34:06,130
Speaker 4: getting credit for.

801
00:34:06,450 --> 00:34:10,730
Speaker 1: They're being very well manipulated by detectives in the interrogation

802
00:34:10,910 --> 00:34:12,030
Speaker 1: to like get them to spill.

803
00:34:12,410 --> 00:34:14,770
Speaker 2: And I think in this day and age, like truly

804
00:34:15,090 --> 00:34:19,610
Speaker 2: because it's 2018. all those guys know how not to

805
00:34:19,650 --> 00:34:23,690
Speaker 2: do it. I'm sure they're very, very concerned about exactly

806
00:34:23,710 --> 00:34:26,160
Speaker 2: how they interrogate him to get him to open and

807
00:34:26,200 --> 00:34:26,660
Speaker 2: stay open.

808
00:34:26,700 --> 00:34:29,260
Speaker 4: And not only that, so that it's admissible in court. Exactly.

809
00:34:29,280 --> 00:34:31,640
Speaker 4: Not fuck it up in any way. No, no. They're

810
00:34:31,660 --> 00:34:33,480
Speaker 4: putting their best guys on this one. And I say

811
00:34:33,500 --> 00:34:35,260
Speaker 4: their best guys. Ladies. Guys and ladies.

812
00:34:35,280 --> 00:34:38,000
Speaker 2: Guys and ladies, but probably especially Paul Hulls. If Paul

813
00:34:38,060 --> 00:34:40,700
Speaker 2: Hulls came into the room, you did something wrong, he

814
00:34:40,739 --> 00:34:43,120
Speaker 2: puts his hands on his hips underneath his blazer and

815
00:34:43,160 --> 00:34:44,799
Speaker 2: starts explaining shit to you, you're just like.

816
00:34:45,300 --> 00:34:47,560
Speaker 4: Yes, mea culpa pole holes. I got to get this

817
00:34:47,600 --> 00:34:49,500
Speaker 4: off my chest. Or if he's like, Joe, what did

818
00:34:49,540 --> 00:34:52,319
Speaker 4: you do? Joe, you son of a bitch. And he

819
00:34:52,340 --> 00:34:54,620
Speaker 4: does some kind of secret cop thing with him. Gets

820
00:34:54,660 --> 00:34:58,160
Speaker 4: him a ring pop. His favorite ring pop. Hey, man,

821
00:34:58,200 --> 00:35:01,100
Speaker 4: I brought you a ring pop. The ring pop theory. No,

822
00:35:01,120 --> 00:35:05,360
Speaker 4: the grape is your favorite. Oh, my God. You love grape.

823
00:35:05,520 --> 00:35:06,200
Speaker 4: You love grape.

824
00:35:06,420 --> 00:35:11,310
Speaker 2: It's also because he's so old. To me, that was

825
00:35:11,430 --> 00:35:13,029
Speaker 2: the other part of not having hope.

826
00:35:13,090 --> 00:35:13,890
Speaker 4: I mean, just in.

827
00:35:13,870 --> 00:35:16,779
Speaker 2: Terms of like, if he did all these things and

828
00:35:16,800 --> 00:35:19,780
Speaker 2: he's not doing them anymore, there's no way he's still alive.

829
00:35:19,800 --> 00:35:23,219
Speaker 4: And that and a 72-year-old like my dad, Marty. My dad, Marty,

830
00:35:23,239 --> 00:35:25,560
Speaker 4: looks fucking great for 72. He's got a lot of

831
00:35:25,600 --> 00:35:27,980
Speaker 4: time left. That guy's a fucking, this Joe guy is

832
00:35:28,020 --> 00:35:32,000
Speaker 4: an old fucking piece of shit. It looks like something's

833
00:35:32,020 --> 00:35:36,660
Speaker 4: been weighing on him. Maybe, yeah. over the years. Yeah,

834
00:35:36,680 --> 00:35:38,569
Speaker 4: my dad's 78 and I think he looks better than

835
00:35:38,610 --> 00:35:41,310
Speaker 4: that guy. Your dad looks better than my dad. Your

836
00:35:41,330 --> 00:35:45,569
Speaker 4: dad looks better than me. Keep it healthy. You got

837
00:35:45,590 --> 00:35:47,070
Speaker 4: to keep it healthy. You got to walk every day.

838
00:35:47,090 --> 00:35:51,370
Speaker 4: The trick is don't have baggage. Hanging over your head,

839
00:35:51,450 --> 00:35:54,160
Speaker 4: like being a fucking rapist and murderer.

840
00:35:54,180 --> 00:35:57,860
Speaker 2: Being like a serial rapist to a degree where I think,

841
00:35:58,400 --> 00:36:02,100
Speaker 2: and also it's, I understand that Anne-Marie was like, quit

842
00:36:02,120 --> 00:36:04,210
Speaker 2: trying to say that a bunch of other people did

843
00:36:04,250 --> 00:36:05,910
Speaker 2: this work and we didn't do it because we've been

844
00:36:05,950 --> 00:36:06,410
Speaker 2: doing the work.

845
00:36:06,550 --> 00:36:07,049
Speaker 4: I get that.

846
00:36:07,070 --> 00:36:10,510
Speaker 1: Or like, I wonder if even Michelle McNamara, they want

847
00:36:10,550 --> 00:36:12,830
Speaker 1: to say thank you for bringing it to the public eye,

848
00:36:12,850 --> 00:36:14,649
Speaker 1: but like giving her.

849
00:36:14,640 --> 00:36:17,880
Speaker 4: Credit might even... Piss them off somehow a little bit. Well,

850
00:36:17,920 --> 00:36:20,640
Speaker 4: some of them. It takes away from the people who

851
00:36:20,680 --> 00:36:21,990
Speaker 4: do it for a living, maybe.

852
00:36:22,130 --> 00:36:22,490
Speaker 3: Right.

853
00:36:22,670 --> 00:36:23,290
Speaker 4: Or how many.

854
00:36:23,310 --> 00:36:23,390
Speaker 2: Yeah.

855
00:36:23,410 --> 00:36:25,720
Speaker 4: I just wish one person had said.

856
00:36:26,330 --> 00:36:30,160
Speaker 2: Before Michelle McNamara started writing articles, doing all the shit,

857
00:36:30,580 --> 00:36:34,419
Speaker 2: writing for fucking different magazines, saying we need to call

858
00:36:34,460 --> 00:36:35,820
Speaker 2: him the Golden State Killer.

859
00:36:35,980 --> 00:36:38,060
Speaker 4: We need to collect all these things together. I'm going

860
00:36:38,120 --> 00:36:40,340
Speaker 4: to interview everyone. I'm going to go to all of

861
00:36:40,420 --> 00:36:41,990
Speaker 4: the scenes. I'm going to fucking.

862
00:36:42,130 --> 00:36:43,549
Speaker 2: I'm going to make these cops talk to each other.

863
00:36:43,570 --> 00:36:45,890
Speaker 2: Dedicate my life to this. And there was an element

864
00:36:45,930 --> 00:36:46,969
Speaker 2: of pressure from her.

865
00:36:46,989 --> 00:36:49,830
Speaker 4: Right. They're not going to talk about being pressured, of course,

866
00:36:49,910 --> 00:36:53,230
Speaker 4: by a citizen. Right. But I think that. her bringing

867
00:36:53,270 --> 00:36:55,549
Speaker 4: it to the media made them go, yes, we are

868
00:36:55,610 --> 00:36:56,110
Speaker 4: working on it.

869
00:36:56,180 --> 00:36:59,640
Speaker 2: And like, maybe that is not always a positive thing

870
00:36:59,680 --> 00:37:04,020
Speaker 2: with the police and, and like data miners and armchair experts.

871
00:37:04,120 --> 00:37:07,020
Speaker 2: But at the same time, I, no one was fucking

872
00:37:07,060 --> 00:37:10,040
Speaker 2: talking about it before. And this was a thing that like,

873
00:37:10,460 --> 00:37:13,840
Speaker 2: of all the murders and rape cases in the nation,

874
00:37:14,520 --> 00:37:16,239
Speaker 2: it was obscure.

875
00:37:16,260 --> 00:37:18,839
Speaker 4: It was not well known. If this fucking hashtag right

876
00:37:18,860 --> 00:37:23,440
Speaker 4: now was, uh, what was it? Euron's, Euron's? East Area Rapist.

877
00:37:23,500 --> 00:37:26,470
Speaker 4: What was it? East Area Rapist. Original Knights. Original Knights.

878
00:37:26,489 --> 00:37:27,210
Speaker 4: So it's Eurons.

879
00:37:27,530 --> 00:37:27,630
Speaker 3: Right.

880
00:37:27,670 --> 00:37:29,450
Speaker 1: If this fucking hashtag was Eurons right now, do you

881
00:37:29,469 --> 00:37:31,609
Speaker 1: think you'd be half as fucking blowing up as Golden State,

882
00:37:31,650 --> 00:37:32,850
Speaker 1: hashtag Golden State Killer?

883
00:37:33,030 --> 00:37:33,350
Speaker 3: Right.

884
00:37:33,430 --> 00:37:36,069
Speaker 1: Which is like the fucking, she was, they were right.

885
00:37:36,090 --> 00:37:40,160
Speaker 1: A beautiful, catchy name. Go listen to, there's a three-part

886
00:37:40,180 --> 00:37:42,719
Speaker 1: podcast called I'll Be Gone in the Dark that just

887
00:37:42,780 --> 00:37:46,060
Speaker 1: explains with all the players how this book came to be.

888
00:37:46,100 --> 00:37:48,219
Speaker 4: It's really well done. It's a really quick listen if

889
00:37:48,239 --> 00:37:50,850
Speaker 4: you just need to catch up. Get all the info.

890
00:37:50,910 --> 00:37:53,290
Speaker 1: And one of them is that they knew that this

891
00:37:53,370 --> 00:37:55,190
Speaker 1: needed a fucking better name, you know?

892
00:37:55,530 --> 00:37:58,710
Speaker 2: Because it needed to reflect that he fucking terrorized the

893
00:37:58,750 --> 00:38:01,660
Speaker 2: entire state in all these counties. There was no jurisdiction

894
00:38:01,680 --> 00:38:05,880
Speaker 2: that was more important. Although, you know, Sacramento obviously is

895
00:38:05,920 --> 00:38:08,759
Speaker 2: the grandfather and the original hunting ground and all that.

896
00:38:08,820 --> 00:38:09,020
Speaker 4: Right.

897
00:38:09,320 --> 00:38:11,160
Speaker 2: That all these other things happen and it had to

898
00:38:11,200 --> 00:38:15,910
Speaker 2: be cohesively approached. And I do think that, and maybe

899
00:38:15,930 --> 00:38:19,070
Speaker 2: that's just because that's the, that's what I like.

900
00:38:19,110 --> 00:38:19,310
Speaker 4: Yeah.

901
00:38:19,570 --> 00:38:23,470
Speaker 2: But I think her going around and getting evidence herself

902
00:38:23,550 --> 00:38:24,920
Speaker 2: and just being like, fine, I'll do it.

903
00:38:24,950 --> 00:38:28,040
Speaker 4: Just copy it for me. Made everyone else go like, no, no, no, no,

904
00:38:28,100 --> 00:38:30,680
Speaker 4: we got it. Yeah. Like she wasn't going to stop.

905
00:38:30,820 --> 00:38:34,239
Speaker 4: She fucking, she branded this fucking thing. She really did.

906
00:38:34,380 --> 00:38:38,690
Speaker 4: And that's brilliantly. Yeah. Brilliantly branded. And then wrote about it.

907
00:38:38,700 --> 00:38:43,739
Speaker 2: I know we talked about it so much. It's like,

908
00:38:44,460 --> 00:38:47,770
Speaker 2: I told my friend today, oh, it's fact prose. Because

909
00:38:47,930 --> 00:38:50,930
Speaker 2: it's as dry as facts can be. She then turns

910
00:38:50,969 --> 00:38:53,070
Speaker 2: it into this thing where suddenly you're looking at a picture.

911
00:38:53,090 --> 00:38:54,210
Speaker 2: You're not reading a sentence.

912
00:38:54,230 --> 00:38:58,350
Speaker 4: Poetic. Yeah. Words that... I would never use, but fits

913
00:38:58,390 --> 00:39:00,450
Speaker 4: so perfectly. I don't know what that's called. Good writing.

914
00:39:02,190 --> 00:39:04,510
Speaker 1: You know what I did last night? I was like, okay, finally,

915
00:39:04,700 --> 00:39:07,259
Speaker 1: I'm just refreshing everything. It's the same information. It's fucking

916
00:39:07,280 --> 00:39:08,460
Speaker 1: three in the morning. There's nothing new.

917
00:39:10,560 --> 00:39:13,810
Speaker 4: I took a Xanax, which is great. I never do anymore.

918
00:39:13,830 --> 00:39:15,940
Speaker 4: And I knew I had to. And then I thought

919
00:39:15,960 --> 00:39:17,720
Speaker 4: you were almost there for 24 hours. Yeah.

920
00:39:18,260 --> 00:39:19,900
Speaker 1: Then I put in my headphones, which I always do

921
00:39:19,920 --> 00:39:22,560
Speaker 1: to fall asleep. I've been listening to, uh, I needed

922
00:39:22,600 --> 00:39:25,170
Speaker 1: something nice and light lately because I've been listening to

923
00:39:25,210 --> 00:39:26,930
Speaker 1: fucking I'll be gone in the dark at night and

924
00:39:26,950 --> 00:39:27,870
Speaker 1: it's been scaring the shit out of me.

925
00:39:28,070 --> 00:39:28,290
Speaker 4: Yes.

926
00:39:28,310 --> 00:39:31,210
Speaker 1: I've been listening to fucking Douglas Adams lately, but I

927
00:39:31,270 --> 00:39:34,570
Speaker 1: fucking put on, I'll be gone in the fucking dark

928
00:39:34,640 --> 00:39:36,549
Speaker 1: and my headphones and fell asleep to it.

929
00:39:36,719 --> 00:39:39,860
Speaker 4: Wow. And I, it was awesome. Cause it's a different

930
00:39:39,900 --> 00:39:41,360
Speaker 4: story now.

931
00:39:41,480 --> 00:39:43,500
Speaker 1: I was not freaking out and I was not scared.

932
00:39:43,540 --> 00:39:46,140
Speaker 1: My heart was fucking happy as I listened to it

933
00:39:46,160 --> 00:39:46,660
Speaker 1: and fell asleep.

934
00:39:47,219 --> 00:39:51,330
Speaker 4: And as Mr., is it Hetherington or Harrington? Harrington. Mr.

935
00:39:51,390 --> 00:39:53,150
Speaker 4: Harrington said. Bruce Harrington.

936
00:39:53,170 --> 00:39:56,150
Speaker 2: Bruce Harrington, the brother of one of the victims and

937
00:39:56,190 --> 00:39:59,950
Speaker 2: his wife. Those victims get to, for the first time

938
00:39:59,969 --> 00:40:03,020
Speaker 2: in fucking 40 something years, they get to rest easy.

939
00:40:03,120 --> 00:40:05,339
Speaker 4: And what a, I mean, what a relief that he's

940
00:40:05,400 --> 00:40:05,859
Speaker 4: not dead.

941
00:40:06,320 --> 00:40:06,660
Speaker 1: Yes.

942
00:40:06,700 --> 00:40:08,900
Speaker 4: You know. What a satisfying like. Like it would be

943
00:40:08,960 --> 00:40:10,940
Speaker 4: great if they found him and he was dead. Glad

944
00:40:10,980 --> 00:40:13,140
Speaker 4: we fucking found out. At least found him. Exactly.

945
00:40:13,160 --> 00:40:13,239
Speaker 2: Yeah.

946
00:40:13,700 --> 00:40:15,710
Speaker 4: That would have been totally satisfying. But this is a

947
00:40:15,730 --> 00:40:16,270
Speaker 4: different thing.

948
00:40:16,710 --> 00:40:18,930
Speaker 2: And if they handle it right, which I believe in

949
00:40:18,969 --> 00:40:21,910
Speaker 2: these people that they will. And they're so by the book.

950
00:40:22,210 --> 00:40:26,770
Speaker 2: I mean, it was funny how crazy careful they started being.

951
00:40:26,790 --> 00:40:28,650
Speaker 2: It's like, why take questions if you're not going to

952
00:40:28,750 --> 00:40:31,700
Speaker 2: answer the question? Well, so how about Anne-Marie getting super

953
00:40:31,739 --> 00:40:33,800
Speaker 2: pissed when they're like, is it related to Mr.

954
00:40:33,860 --> 00:40:34,160
Speaker 3: Cruel?

955
00:40:34,200 --> 00:40:37,760
Speaker 4: And she's like, no. Where it's just like, wait, what's

956
00:40:37,800 --> 00:40:40,040
Speaker 4: the problem? Yeah, all these Australians are like, we're just

957
00:40:40,100 --> 00:40:42,640
Speaker 4: waiting to hear... our guy's been caught too. Right.

958
00:40:43,040 --> 00:40:46,890
Speaker 2: Because there are so many, there's so many, um, you know,

959
00:40:46,989 --> 00:40:49,070
Speaker 2: I read the same article everybody else did, but I

960
00:40:49,090 --> 00:40:50,030
Speaker 2: was surprised.

961
00:40:49,730 --> 00:40:53,090
Speaker 4: I didn't know there were that many MO matches. Yeah.

962
00:40:53,170 --> 00:40:56,469
Speaker 4: The eating, uh, like sticking around and eating. Yep.

963
00:40:56,610 --> 00:40:59,950
Speaker 2: And surveilling for like weeks and months beforehand and all that.

964
00:41:00,219 --> 00:41:03,379
Speaker 4: Oh, it's so creepy. So it's so crazy.

965
00:41:04,160 --> 00:41:08,180
Speaker 1: What about, what else, what else would you want to know? Um,

966
00:41:08,660 --> 00:41:11,230
Speaker 1: I want to know What the connections with the other

967
00:41:11,390 --> 00:41:12,109
Speaker 1: locations are.

968
00:41:13,550 --> 00:41:14,750
Speaker 4: Obviously, especially Irvine.

969
00:41:14,969 --> 00:41:17,009
Speaker 1: I already texted my dad and said, hey, did you

970
00:41:17,030 --> 00:41:19,890
Speaker 1: know an ex-cop in Irvine in 1986-ish?

971
00:41:19,910 --> 00:41:21,410
Speaker 4: That's such a good idea.

972
00:41:21,450 --> 00:41:22,950
Speaker 2: You're like, did you ever hang out and talk to

973
00:41:22,969 --> 00:41:24,589
Speaker 2: this guy at the donut shop or whatever?

974
00:41:24,780 --> 00:41:27,450
Speaker 4: Maybe. That wasn't a slur against cops. It was the

975
00:41:27,489 --> 00:41:28,950
Speaker 4: first place I thought of. Like where we want to

976
00:41:28,989 --> 00:41:30,980
Speaker 4: be right now. Where would Marty hang out? Like a

977
00:41:31,020 --> 00:41:33,219
Speaker 4: Whole Foods type of place? Yeah. Mother's. They were called

978
00:41:33,260 --> 00:41:35,640
Speaker 4: Mother's Market back then. Because he's a little bit of

979
00:41:35,660 --> 00:41:40,200
Speaker 4: a hippie, right? Oh, he's a fucking caribbean hippie. kidding

980
00:41:40,239 --> 00:41:42,080
Speaker 4: me now was janet a hippie or was she just

981
00:41:42,140 --> 00:41:44,609
Speaker 4: playing ball in the 70s uh they were just like

982
00:41:44,780 --> 00:41:50,569
Speaker 4: the health food fanatic hippies smoking pot chilling out yeah

983
00:41:50,590 --> 00:41:53,930
Speaker 4: but they weren't they were uh they were yuppies oh

984
00:41:54,010 --> 00:41:56,569
Speaker 4: okay yeah they were totally yuppies got it got it

985
00:41:56,910 --> 00:41:58,110
Speaker 4: they were can you be a.

986
00:41:58,110 --> 00:42:01,230
Speaker 1: Yuppie and not have money they had the yet they

987
00:42:01,270 --> 00:42:05,420
Speaker 1: lived a yuppie lifestyle I'm like, I.

988
00:42:05,560 --> 00:42:07,880
Speaker 4: If you could see this written, it would be fuppies,

989
00:42:07,960 --> 00:42:11,899
Speaker 4: but faux yuppies. Faux yuppies. Faux yuppies. That's exactly right.

990
00:42:12,140 --> 00:42:15,800
Speaker 4: Faux yuppies. It would still have A-U-X, but fuppies.

991
00:42:17,219 --> 00:42:19,259
Speaker 2: Uh, I mean, I can't even think of what I

992
00:42:19,320 --> 00:42:21,830
Speaker 2: want to hear of those, those near miss times. We

993
00:42:21,870 --> 00:42:23,969
Speaker 2: know of the ones, but like in, cause I read

994
00:42:23,989 --> 00:42:28,080
Speaker 2: that book by one of the other investigators, um, And

995
00:42:28,160 --> 00:42:30,780
Speaker 2: he wrote a self-published book that's that thick.

996
00:42:30,860 --> 00:42:32,240
Speaker 4: It's so long and crazy.

997
00:42:32,660 --> 00:42:35,860
Speaker 2: But it was basically just his firsthand experience of over

998
00:42:35,920 --> 00:42:38,460
Speaker 2: and over again getting called to these houses where the

999
00:42:38,500 --> 00:42:41,140
Speaker 2: victims are sitting on the couch crying and they had

1000
00:42:41,180 --> 00:42:44,300
Speaker 2: this horrible thing happen to them. And it's so incredible.

1001
00:42:44,860 --> 00:42:47,800
Speaker 2: One of the times he talks about was a time

1002
00:42:47,820 --> 00:42:51,850
Speaker 2: where police pulled a guy over the morning after an attack.

1003
00:42:52,430 --> 00:42:54,569
Speaker 2: He had all this weird shit in his car and

1004
00:42:54,610 --> 00:42:56,090
Speaker 2: they let him go anyway. And he got on the

1005
00:42:56,410 --> 00:42:59,050
Speaker 2: freeway north. and basically toured Auburn.

1006
00:42:59,170 --> 00:42:59,590
Speaker 4: Shit.

1007
00:42:59,670 --> 00:42:59,990
Speaker 3: Yes.

1008
00:43:00,170 --> 00:43:02,899
Speaker 4: And that part of the story, it's just like, they,

1009
00:43:02,980 --> 00:43:06,700
Speaker 4: no one knows. And that, that was like a, my thing,

1010
00:43:06,920 --> 00:43:09,129
Speaker 4: alleged fucking all this other illegal shit.

1011
00:43:09,370 --> 00:43:12,049
Speaker 2: But it's like, if he was a cop, And they

1012
00:43:12,090 --> 00:43:13,820
Speaker 2: saw him in his car. Did they just go, oh,

1013
00:43:13,850 --> 00:43:14,270
Speaker 2: it's that guy.

1014
00:43:14,390 --> 00:43:16,430
Speaker 4: Go ahead. You're fine. Yeah. Or like when you get,

1015
00:43:16,469 --> 00:43:17,910
Speaker 4: when you're a cop and you get pulled over, you

1016
00:43:18,130 --> 00:43:19,990
Speaker 4: fucking hand, when they ask you for your license, you

1017
00:43:20,010 --> 00:43:22,520
Speaker 4: hand them your fucking cop ID. And they're like, oh,

1018
00:43:22,660 --> 00:43:23,319
Speaker 4: go ahead. Yeah.

1019
00:43:23,500 --> 00:43:23,939
Speaker 3: It's over.

1020
00:43:23,960 --> 00:43:27,660
Speaker 4: That's not, there's no discussion. It'd be, it'd be fucking disrespectful.

1021
00:43:28,040 --> 00:43:30,279
Speaker 4: Which I wonder if he kept all this shit around them.

1022
00:43:30,340 --> 00:43:32,779
Speaker 2: So even if he was kicked off the fucking dude. Right.

1023
00:43:33,100 --> 00:43:36,239
Speaker 4: Still dressed up like him. And the prowling, maybe he

1024
00:43:36,280 --> 00:43:39,399
Speaker 4: wasn't prowling. Maybe he was fucking walking around dressed. Well,

1025
00:43:39,580 --> 00:43:41,319
Speaker 4: I guess someone would have said they saw a cop dress.

1026
00:43:41,360 --> 00:43:41,520
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1027
00:43:42,360 --> 00:43:44,510
Speaker 4: A cop by himself would be weird. A cop car

1028
00:43:44,910 --> 00:43:45,550
Speaker 4: might be.

1029
00:43:45,610 --> 00:43:45,810
Speaker 3: No.

1030
00:43:45,830 --> 00:43:49,230
Speaker 4: I don't know. I would want to know also about

1031
00:43:49,290 --> 00:43:51,450
Speaker 4: the real estate element. That thing where there was a

1032
00:43:51,530 --> 00:43:53,750
Speaker 4: guy that used to show up at open houses that would.

1033
00:43:53,670 --> 00:43:58,080
Speaker 2: Be across from places or... I mean, that whole part is.

1034
00:43:58,620 --> 00:44:00,720
Speaker 4: I don't even know. I just want to know everything.

1035
00:44:00,739 --> 00:44:01,580
Speaker 4: Me too.

1036
00:44:01,820 --> 00:44:04,440
Speaker 2: I think we will. Oh, you know what they were saying?

1037
00:44:04,460 --> 00:44:07,779
Speaker 2: I was going to ask you because they were talking...

1038
00:44:07,580 --> 00:44:09,900
Speaker 2: They were trying to get... At this press conference, they

1039
00:44:09,920 --> 00:44:15,319
Speaker 2: were just trying to get Amory... And our boy, Scott Jones,

1040
00:44:15,340 --> 00:44:18,480
Speaker 2: who I'm positive I drank with at Popeye's in the

1041
00:44:18,540 --> 00:44:21,320
Speaker 2: late 80s. Popeye's is the worst bar in America.

1042
00:44:21,940 --> 00:44:23,319
Speaker 4: He looks so familiar to me.

1043
00:44:23,360 --> 00:44:25,950
Speaker 2: He's like every guy I had a crush on in Sacramento.

1044
00:44:26,360 --> 00:44:30,150
Speaker 2: But they were trying to get them to answer questions

1045
00:44:30,190 --> 00:44:31,690
Speaker 2: about that surveillance time.

1046
00:44:31,810 --> 00:44:31,989
Speaker 4: Right.

1047
00:44:33,070 --> 00:44:35,500
Speaker 2: How exciting is it to think about those cops where

1048
00:44:35,540 --> 00:44:37,700
Speaker 2: they were in the lab, they were like, it's a

1049
00:44:37,800 --> 00:44:41,819
Speaker 2: fucking match. Now go surveil him or get the, here's

1050
00:44:41,860 --> 00:44:42,280
Speaker 2: the thing.

1051
00:44:42,390 --> 00:44:43,430
Speaker 4: We need the thing to match it.

1052
00:44:43,450 --> 00:44:45,170
Speaker 2: It wouldn't be the match first. They would go to

1053
00:44:45,230 --> 00:44:48,150
Speaker 2: get the match. This guy looks good. This guy looks good.

1054
00:44:48,330 --> 00:44:51,810
Speaker 2: It's 18 points on the 20 point chart. And then

1055
00:44:51,950 --> 00:44:56,210
Speaker 2: two guys go sit in a car waiting. Now tell me, Georgia,

1056
00:44:56,450 --> 00:44:57,590
Speaker 2: you are now one of those guys.

1057
00:44:58,030 --> 00:45:00,680
Speaker 4: Or ladies. Or ladies, because anything can happen in this

1058
00:45:00,700 --> 00:45:03,540
Speaker 4: day and age. And we say guys, we mean people. Yeah.

1059
00:45:03,880 --> 00:45:06,859
Speaker 2: So you are a police person that's gotten sent to

1060
00:45:06,980 --> 00:45:12,230
Speaker 2: surveil this very good-looking suspect for as long as it

1061
00:45:12,270 --> 00:45:15,030
Speaker 2: takes so that he comes out and spits on the lawn,

1062
00:45:15,530 --> 00:45:17,490
Speaker 2: throws his cup in the ditch.

1063
00:45:17,570 --> 00:45:21,270
Speaker 4: He's a litterer. Like, what do you see?

1064
00:45:21,610 --> 00:45:24,310
Speaker 2: What's your dream thing of how that surveillance happened that

1065
00:45:24,330 --> 00:45:25,490
Speaker 2: they snuck his DNA?

1066
00:45:25,510 --> 00:45:26,340
Speaker 4: Okay.

1067
00:45:26,860 --> 00:45:30,180
Speaker 1: Or or legally acquired? Well, I mean, it's really I

1068
00:45:30,219 --> 00:45:33,320
Speaker 1: feel like it seems so simple. And the most obvious

1069
00:45:33,400 --> 00:45:35,900
Speaker 1: one is if he's a smoker. But the problem is,

1070
00:45:36,260 --> 00:45:38,880
Speaker 1: say he is a smoker and he puts a cigarette

1071
00:45:39,140 --> 00:45:41,660
Speaker 1: out in an ashtray. Well, there's no way to prove

1072
00:45:41,680 --> 00:45:44,180
Speaker 1: that that's his actual. But unless it's a brand new

1073
00:45:44,219 --> 00:45:47,340
Speaker 1: clean cigarette cigarette ashtray. But, you know, maybe he's a

1074
00:45:47,380 --> 00:45:49,319
Speaker 1: smoker and he flicks his fucking cigarette. That guy doesn't

1075
00:45:49,340 --> 00:45:51,160
Speaker 1: look like a fucking health nut to me. So maybe

1076
00:45:51,180 --> 00:45:51,970
Speaker 1: he's a smoker.

1077
00:45:52,030 --> 00:45:55,089
Speaker 2: He definitely looks like a smoker and a person that

1078
00:45:55,150 --> 00:45:56,710
Speaker 2: drinks a huge, a big.

1079
00:45:56,590 --> 00:45:57,069
Speaker 4: Gulp all day long.

1080
00:45:57,090 --> 00:46:00,609
Speaker 1: Absolutely a big gulp. So, I mean, you know, they

1081
00:46:00,650 --> 00:46:03,310
Speaker 1: have their ways. The spitting on the ground is good,

1082
00:46:03,350 --> 00:46:05,950
Speaker 1: but it'd have to be like. I remember there was

1083
00:46:06,050 --> 00:46:08,050
Speaker 1: one case where they did the spitting on the ground,

1084
00:46:08,090 --> 00:46:09,790
Speaker 1: but the only way they were able to use it

1085
00:46:09,850 --> 00:46:11,180
Speaker 1: is because it had just rained.

1086
00:46:11,719 --> 00:46:12,399
Speaker 4: And so the spit was.

1087
00:46:12,340 --> 00:46:15,660
Speaker 1: Sitting on top of the rain and the cement. So

1088
00:46:15,700 --> 00:46:17,660
Speaker 1: it wasn't like part of the ground because then it'd

1089
00:46:17,680 --> 00:46:18,700
Speaker 1: be like, well, this is.

1090
00:46:18,780 --> 00:46:21,160
Speaker 2: They couldn't introduce all the other spit and weird shit

1091
00:46:21,180 --> 00:46:22,480
Speaker 2: that was there.

1092
00:46:22,500 --> 00:46:27,359
Speaker 4: Or maybe they arrested him on something else and got

1093
00:46:27,420 --> 00:46:31,110
Speaker 4: his DNA through that way. Like, you know what I mean?

1094
00:46:31,120 --> 00:46:31,940
Speaker 4: Maybe they....

1095
00:46:33,100 --> 00:46:35,620
Speaker 1: But he probably was so careful.

1096
00:46:35,900 --> 00:46:36,160
Speaker 3: Yes.

1097
00:46:36,560 --> 00:46:38,439
Speaker 1: And there's no way that they would have been like,

1098
00:46:38,480 --> 00:46:40,839
Speaker 1: we got you for a stop. You ran a stop sign. Hey,

1099
00:46:40,860 --> 00:46:43,960
Speaker 1: can we get your DNA, by the way? No, not

1100
00:46:44,000 --> 00:46:44,279
Speaker 1: that guy.

1101
00:46:44,300 --> 00:46:45,759
Speaker 4: Then you'll never speak to that guy again. He's going

1102
00:46:45,780 --> 00:46:48,140
Speaker 4: to lawyer up. Not the guy who.

1103
00:46:49,360 --> 00:46:52,660
Speaker 2: Was caught for shoplifting a dog repellent and a hammer.

1104
00:46:52,800 --> 00:46:53,760
Speaker 4: And then when they said.

1105
00:46:54,300 --> 00:46:56,259
Speaker 2: You have to go under review for the Auburn police

1106
00:46:56,280 --> 00:47:00,339
Speaker 2: department said no thanks. And just took being dismissed because

1107
00:47:00,360 --> 00:47:02,200
Speaker 2: he didn't want to even talk about it. Okay.

1108
00:47:02,219 --> 00:47:05,230
Speaker 1: Well, so allegedly from what Reddit has told me that

1109
00:47:05,390 --> 00:47:08,350
Speaker 1: he has a two daughters that were born in 81

1110
00:47:08,350 --> 00:47:12,340
Speaker 1: and 86. So of course they're my age-ish. I looked

1111
00:47:12,360 --> 00:47:13,400
Speaker 1: them up on Facebook.

1112
00:47:13,420 --> 00:47:13,940
Speaker 4: Are we friends?

1113
00:47:14,580 --> 00:47:17,100
Speaker 1: I don't think we are, but I want to know

1114
00:47:17,160 --> 00:47:19,440
Speaker 1: about them. And did they read while be gone in

1115
00:47:19,460 --> 00:47:22,770
Speaker 1: the dark? Did they ever say to mom and dad, hey,

1116
00:47:22,890 --> 00:47:25,950
Speaker 1: were you guys freaking out at that time? You know,

1117
00:47:25,969 --> 00:47:27,509
Speaker 1: at that time, you guys, we lived here.

1118
00:47:27,530 --> 00:47:30,970
Speaker 2: Because that has happened for other killers when their children

1119
00:47:31,010 --> 00:47:31,700
Speaker 2: suspect them.

1120
00:47:31,800 --> 00:47:34,359
Speaker 4: Really? Or family members suspect them, yeah. Isn't that the

1121
00:47:34,980 --> 00:47:38,560
Speaker 4: happy face killer's daughter is the reason? Is she the

1122
00:47:38,640 --> 00:47:41,440
Speaker 4: one that article was, she wrote that article recently? What's

1123
00:47:41,480 --> 00:47:42,080
Speaker 4: it called?

1124
00:47:43,200 --> 00:47:44,819
Speaker 2: I don't know, but she did have a TV show

1125
00:47:44,860 --> 00:47:46,530
Speaker 2: for a little while where she would go and meet

1126
00:47:46,690 --> 00:47:51,339
Speaker 2: other people. Like, she interviewed BTK's wife. You know, she

1127
00:47:51,360 --> 00:47:53,879
Speaker 2: would go and talk to families. And I would say this, too.

1128
00:47:53,900 --> 00:47:59,280
Speaker 4: Yeah. Like, nobody should be in any way contacted, obviously.

1129
00:47:59,370 --> 00:48:00,250
Speaker 4: Absolutely not.

1130
00:48:00,270 --> 00:48:03,010
Speaker 2: But, like, we know that there's all this weird access

1131
00:48:03,070 --> 00:48:04,210
Speaker 2: these days for people.

1132
00:48:04,489 --> 00:48:04,669
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1133
00:48:04,969 --> 00:48:07,410
Speaker 4: It would be living hell to be related to this

1134
00:48:07,450 --> 00:48:08,170
Speaker 4: person today.

1135
00:48:08,190 --> 00:48:11,170
Speaker 1: Do you know that they've already tracked down the Yelp

1136
00:48:11,230 --> 00:48:17,360
Speaker 1: review of what they're assuming is his wife's? business no

1137
00:48:17,600 --> 00:48:20,440
Speaker 1: and there's some like really negative yelp review about what

1138
00:48:20,460 --> 00:48:23,540
Speaker 1: a fucking psycho she is but it's like who knows

1139
00:48:23,680 --> 00:48:26,460
Speaker 1: where she is what's going on who wrote this review

1140
00:48:26,520 --> 00:48:28,660
Speaker 1: if it's even her actual business if it's even actually

1141
00:48:28,700 --> 00:48:32,000
Speaker 1: his wife um but the article is called the struggle

1142
00:48:32,040 --> 00:48:34,900
Speaker 1: to find my struggle to find peace as the daughter.

1143
00:48:34,680 --> 00:48:37,080
Speaker 4: Of a serial killer on huffington post which i keep

1144
00:48:37,100 --> 00:48:41,610
Speaker 4: meaning to read oh that's her smiley face killer yeah

1145
00:48:41,700 --> 00:48:47,950
Speaker 4: one of yeah yeah Okay, what about you? What is your...

1146
00:48:50,790 --> 00:48:54,330
Speaker 4: You're sitting in the interrogation room with him. You have

1147
00:48:54,450 --> 00:49:00,270
Speaker 4: one fucking shot. What... What tactic would you take? I mean,

1148
00:49:00,290 --> 00:49:02,000
Speaker 4: I couldn't do it. I find these criminals so.

1149
00:49:11,640 --> 00:49:12,319
Speaker 4: Abhorrent.

1150
00:49:12,520 --> 00:49:14,400
Speaker 2: Like I just don't even want to be anywhere in

1151
00:49:14,560 --> 00:49:17,750
Speaker 2: near the building, but I would want Paul, if I

1152
00:49:17,770 --> 00:49:19,900
Speaker 2: could be inside Paul holes or like just one.

1153
00:49:20,260 --> 00:49:22,660
Speaker 4: As what he did... If I could have your DNA

1154
00:49:23,180 --> 00:49:24,130
Speaker 4: inside of you.

1155
00:49:25,300 --> 00:49:25,640
Speaker 3: Right?

1156
00:49:26,500 --> 00:49:28,180
Speaker 4: Are you being dirty about Paul Holes? I am. If

1157
00:49:28,200 --> 00:49:29,339
Speaker 4: you could be... He's a married man.

1158
00:49:29,400 --> 00:49:32,299
Speaker 1: If you could be surrounded with your heart and spirit

1159
00:49:32,380 --> 00:49:35,200
Speaker 1: and smells and tastes with Paul.

1160
00:49:35,700 --> 00:49:37,410
Speaker 4: Inside Paul Holes. If I could just.

1161
00:49:38,110 --> 00:49:41,390
Speaker 2: surveil paul holes this is we can't keep doing this.

1162
00:49:41,430 --> 00:49:44,750
Speaker 4: But okay interrogate steven like he's the now i can't

1163
00:49:44,910 --> 00:49:47,450
Speaker 4: this improv is so weird i'm kidding i'm kidding uh

1164
00:49:47,750 --> 00:49:52,070
Speaker 4: just interrogate steven i just okay so you're saying you

1165
00:49:52,090 --> 00:49:56,020
Speaker 4: were at margaritaville But you don't seem hungover at all today.

1166
00:49:56,200 --> 00:49:58,279
Speaker 4: Or that you have sugar poisoning from... What kind of

1167
00:49:58,300 --> 00:50:01,540
Speaker 4: margarita did you get? Yeah. I got the spicy, the hot, hot, hot.

1168
00:50:02,540 --> 00:50:06,800
Speaker 4: And I'm very hungover. Oh, you're pulling it off really nicely, Stephen.

1169
00:50:06,820 --> 00:50:10,200
Speaker 4: Is that that glow about you? It's that 31-year-old about him. Oh,

1170
00:50:10,260 --> 00:50:12,130
Speaker 4: that's right. You're not hungover yet. You fucking son of

1171
00:50:12,150 --> 00:50:12,290
Speaker 4: a bitch.

1172
00:50:12,310 --> 00:50:15,510
Speaker 1: Stephen, there's bacon and fucking bagels right here.

1173
00:50:15,530 --> 00:50:17,890
Speaker 4: Stephen throws up on all the equipment. Don't throw up

1174
00:50:17,930 --> 00:50:18,200
Speaker 4: on it.

1175
00:50:18,310 --> 00:50:18,410
Speaker 3: Oh.

1176
00:50:19,540 --> 00:50:21,460
Speaker 4: Wait, you're... Did you press play? Did you remember to

1177
00:50:21,480 --> 00:50:24,700
Speaker 4: press play? You drank margaritas that were spicy. I love

1178
00:50:24,719 --> 00:50:27,779
Speaker 4: spicy margaritas. It has like jalapenos in it and stuff.

1179
00:50:27,820 --> 00:50:30,960
Speaker 4: The best. With salt. Yeah. Oh, the best. I have

1180
00:50:31,380 --> 00:50:34,439
Speaker 4: such an ulcer. You're old. You're... Not you're old, but you're...

1181
00:50:34,600 --> 00:50:36,240
Speaker 4: You don't... It's too late. You already said it and

1182
00:50:36,300 --> 00:50:40,630
Speaker 4: it's recorded. you are an old drinker meaning like you

1183
00:50:40,650 --> 00:50:44,090
Speaker 4: weren't around you just did it again you're a fucking

1184
00:50:44,150 --> 00:50:47,710
Speaker 4: old drinker i know oh i know you missed the

1185
00:50:47,750 --> 00:50:50,170
Speaker 4: period of like good drinks a hundred.

1186
00:50:49,989 --> 00:50:52,620
Speaker 2: Percent no i you were too young i burned out

1187
00:50:52,700 --> 00:50:55,060
Speaker 2: on like bartles and james i took an acid stomach

1188
00:50:55,100 --> 00:50:56,919
Speaker 2: from wine coolers yeah yeah that's how.

1189
00:50:56,860 --> 00:51:00,140
Speaker 4: Bad it was you didn't get a drink fucking classy shit.

1190
00:50:59,820 --> 00:51:02,840
Speaker 2: With no the mixology was far off no one had

1191
00:51:02,900 --> 00:51:05,390
Speaker 2: a fucking curly ass mustache when i was in bars

1192
00:51:05,450 --> 00:51:08,430
Speaker 2: it was all free popcorn right and like fucking miller

1193
00:51:08,469 --> 00:51:11,549
Speaker 2: light in a small glass it was dark shit and

1194
00:51:11,570 --> 00:51:15,770
Speaker 2: it was in sacramento and smoking allowed and smoke please

1195
00:51:15,830 --> 00:51:20,330
Speaker 2: smoke waitresses handing you lit cigarettes that never happened but

1196
00:51:20,510 --> 00:51:22,380
Speaker 2: yeah no it was like it was as it was

1197
00:51:22,469 --> 00:51:24,040
Speaker 2: like it was a hundred years ago yeah when i

1198
00:51:24,080 --> 00:51:26,259
Speaker 2: think about all all of those times they.

1199
00:51:26,200 --> 00:51:28,980
Speaker 4: Were like here become an alcoholic it's so easy we

1200
00:51:29,020 --> 00:51:30,920
Speaker 4: want to we want to make it happen as in

1201
00:51:31,080 --> 00:51:33,759
Speaker 4: but when it's like nowadays they're like here every drink

1202
00:51:33,820 --> 00:51:36,440
Speaker 4: is 14 fucking dollars so you can only be an

1203
00:51:36,500 --> 00:51:39,200
Speaker 4: alcoholic but you're if you're rich as fuck and if

1204
00:51:39,219 --> 00:51:41,480
Speaker 4: you come anywhere near us with a cigarette we're gonna

1205
00:51:41,540 --> 00:51:42,380
Speaker 4: murder you.

1206
00:51:42,180 --> 00:51:44,520
Speaker 2: Right you it's like you have to be some kind

1207
00:51:44,560 --> 00:51:46,930
Speaker 2: of a connoisseur these days to be an alcoholic which

1208
00:51:46,969 --> 00:51:48,509
Speaker 2: i just don't have the energy for and.

1209
00:51:48,430 --> 00:51:50,109
Speaker 4: You see an alcoholic you're like oh that guy must

1210
00:51:50,150 --> 00:51:53,770
Speaker 4: be rich yes Because you're buying drinks that have those

1211
00:51:53,870 --> 00:51:57,569
Speaker 4: huge ice cubes in them that are like designer ice cubes.

1212
00:51:57,610 --> 00:51:59,589
Speaker 4: And they measure everything. So like you're not, it's like

1213
00:51:59,610 --> 00:52:00,950
Speaker 4: an ounce and a half of alcohol.

1214
00:52:00,989 --> 00:52:02,610
Speaker 2: And you're like, it doesn't matter. I'm just going to

1215
00:52:02,700 --> 00:52:04,939
Speaker 2: swallow it really fast. Like giving my dog a treat

1216
00:52:04,960 --> 00:52:07,440
Speaker 2: where she, I look at George and go, please just

1217
00:52:07,540 --> 00:52:08,360
Speaker 2: chew this twice.

1218
00:52:08,380 --> 00:52:11,140
Speaker 4: Like, please. And she'll just go, like, I'll give her

1219
00:52:11,180 --> 00:52:13,560
Speaker 4: leftover steak from like a dinner we were at. And

1220
00:52:13,600 --> 00:52:16,060
Speaker 4: I hold it out and she swallows, she inhales it.

1221
00:52:16,080 --> 00:52:18,469
Speaker 4: She doesn't even taste it. I'm like, bite it twice.

1222
00:52:18,489 --> 00:52:19,240
Speaker 4: You'll love the taste.

1223
00:52:19,260 --> 00:52:19,810
Speaker 2: It's even better.

1224
00:52:19,910 --> 00:52:23,029
Speaker 4: Elvis does that too with cookies. A couple people had

1225
00:52:23,050 --> 00:52:25,210
Speaker 4: the great idea that this needs to be on MFM.

1226
00:52:26,090 --> 00:52:27,190
Speaker 4: Do you need a ride crossover?

1227
00:52:27,210 --> 00:52:30,890
Speaker 1: Chris Fairbanks is just driving us to fucking Sacramento.

1228
00:52:31,090 --> 00:52:32,759
Speaker 2: You know, we could take the entire drive up to

1229
00:52:32,800 --> 00:52:35,900
Speaker 2: Sacramento to explain to Chris Fairbanks what the entire case

1230
00:52:35,980 --> 00:52:36,840
Speaker 2: is and what's happening.

1231
00:52:36,860 --> 00:52:38,520
Speaker 4: He'd be like, oh, I never heard of this before.

1232
00:52:38,540 --> 00:52:40,660
Speaker 4: And I don't care. And I still don't care. I'm

1233
00:52:40,680 --> 00:52:49,540
Speaker 4: not interested. And we are back.

1234
00:52:49,860 --> 00:52:50,340
Speaker 3: Wow.

1235
00:52:50,660 --> 00:52:54,960
Speaker 4: I remember most of, I remember.

1236
00:52:54,820 --> 00:52:58,299
Speaker 2: Seeing the tweet that said this happened, looking it up,

1237
00:52:58,969 --> 00:53:03,410
Speaker 2: realizing it was real. I was on Moore Park where

1238
00:53:03,430 --> 00:53:06,150
Speaker 2: it meets up Riverside on the edge of Toluca Lake.

1239
00:53:06,710 --> 00:53:09,090
Speaker 2: And that's where I sat at that red light texting

1240
00:53:09,130 --> 00:53:14,419
Speaker 2: you and being like, guess what? And I can see

1241
00:53:14,460 --> 00:53:17,080
Speaker 2: all those moments kind of after that where it was like,

1242
00:53:18,330 --> 00:53:19,610
Speaker 2: The before of the news.

1243
00:53:19,489 --> 00:53:21,589
Speaker 4: And the after of the news. Yeah.

1244
00:53:21,660 --> 00:53:24,120
Speaker 1: And I was listening to this and it's like the

1245
00:53:24,180 --> 00:53:28,400
Speaker 1: amount that I started digging online after that, just wanting

1246
00:53:28,460 --> 00:53:30,040
Speaker 1: more and more and more information.

1247
00:53:30,060 --> 00:53:30,140
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1248
00:53:31,280 --> 00:53:33,799
Speaker 1: I mean, it's disappointing that to this day we don't

1249
00:53:33,840 --> 00:53:36,770
Speaker 1: have a ton of information about it. I know it's

1250
00:53:36,830 --> 00:53:39,049
Speaker 1: like I just thought there'd be so much more that

1251
00:53:39,090 --> 00:53:42,250
Speaker 1: came out, like other victims and other crimes.

1252
00:53:42,710 --> 00:53:45,529
Speaker 4: Right. It would be incredibly satisfying to go over all

1253
00:53:45,570 --> 00:53:46,190
Speaker 4: of the theories.

1254
00:53:46,750 --> 00:53:47,210
Speaker 3: Right.

1255
00:53:47,310 --> 00:53:48,910
Speaker 4: And where, you know what I mean? It's like this

1256
00:53:49,010 --> 00:53:51,850
Speaker 4: one people really bought into because da, da, da. Totally.

1257
00:53:51,870 --> 00:53:54,790
Speaker 4: He looked like this or like the way people got

1258
00:53:55,010 --> 00:53:57,430
Speaker 4: off track and back on track.

1259
00:53:57,469 --> 00:53:59,500
Speaker 3: Just answers for what things meant.

1260
00:53:59,980 --> 00:54:00,200
Speaker 4: Yeah.

1261
00:54:00,540 --> 00:54:00,880
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1262
00:54:01,080 --> 00:54:05,899
Speaker 1: Like the dog smell and the Bonnie, all those things

1263
00:54:05,920 --> 00:54:07,879
Speaker 1: that we just like became obsessed with.

1264
00:54:08,060 --> 00:54:08,259
Speaker 4: Right.

1265
00:54:08,280 --> 00:54:11,040
Speaker 3: Right. Let's do some updates. Sure.

1266
00:54:11,420 --> 00:54:15,380
Speaker 2: So detectives originally got the DNA to test from Golden

1267
00:54:15,400 --> 00:54:19,780
Speaker 2: State Killer's car door while he was shopping at Hobby Lobby.

1268
00:54:20,380 --> 00:54:22,920
Speaker 2: And they were able to match that with semen gathered

1269
00:54:22,960 --> 00:54:26,180
Speaker 2: from old crime scenes. And then they got the second

1270
00:54:26,250 --> 00:54:29,129
Speaker 2: sample from a tissue that was in a garbage can

1271
00:54:29,170 --> 00:54:32,410
Speaker 2: outside of his house. And then once they had that,

1272
00:54:32,880 --> 00:54:33,620
Speaker 2: They arrested him.

1273
00:54:33,520 --> 00:54:34,000
Speaker 3: The next day.

1274
00:54:34,020 --> 00:54:38,020
Speaker 1: And then on April 24th, 2018, Sacramento County Sheriff's deputies

1275
00:54:38,160 --> 00:54:42,520
Speaker 1: arrested former police officer Joseph James DeAngelo at his house

1276
00:54:42,640 --> 00:54:46,970
Speaker 1: in Citrus Heights, California. And he was famously identified using

1277
00:54:46,989 --> 00:54:49,109
Speaker 1: investigative genetic genealogy.

1278
00:54:49,310 --> 00:54:53,110
Speaker 2: Prosecutors ended up charging DeAngelo with 13 counts of first-degree

1279
00:54:53,150 --> 00:54:56,830
Speaker 2: murder and 13 counts of kidnapping to commit robbery.

1280
00:54:57,430 --> 00:54:58,810
Speaker 4: He couldn't be charged.

1281
00:54:58,469 --> 00:55:02,310
Speaker 2: With sexual assaults or burglaries because of the statute of limitations. Oh, God.

1282
00:55:03,030 --> 00:55:06,049
Speaker 2: Which is kind of insane because as the East Area Rapist,

1283
00:55:06,230 --> 00:55:08,780
Speaker 2: there was over 50 rapes and attacks.

1284
00:55:08,880 --> 00:55:10,700
Speaker 3: And he just remained hidden long enough.

1285
00:55:10,800 --> 00:55:11,640
Speaker 4: He waited it out.

1286
00:55:12,040 --> 00:55:13,720
Speaker 3: I fucking can't. I can't.

1287
00:55:13,800 --> 00:55:14,020
Speaker 4: Yeah.

1288
00:55:14,460 --> 00:55:16,620
Speaker 1: In June 2020, as part of a plea deal to

1289
00:55:16,680 --> 00:55:19,400
Speaker 1: spare him from the death penalty, D'Angelo pleaded guilty to

1290
00:55:19,500 --> 00:55:22,730
Speaker 1: all 26 charges against him. He was sentenced to multiple

1291
00:55:22,770 --> 00:55:25,690
Speaker 1: consecutive life terms without the possibility of parole.

1292
00:55:26,050 --> 00:55:30,489
Speaker 2: HBO made a docuseries in 2020 of I'll Be Gone

1293
00:55:30,510 --> 00:55:34,700
Speaker 2: in the Dark. It includes Paul Holes. It includes everybody

1294
00:55:34,760 --> 00:55:41,379
Speaker 2: basically around. They had cameras with Patton as he was

1295
00:55:41,620 --> 00:55:44,739
Speaker 2: trying to go on this book tour because Michelle had

1296
00:55:44,800 --> 00:55:48,790
Speaker 2: died and the book was coming out. And that's where

1297
00:55:48,850 --> 00:55:52,750
Speaker 2: they were. I mean, that idea that they found out

1298
00:55:53,550 --> 00:55:57,450
Speaker 2: with documentary filmmakers with them because they were trying to

1299
00:55:57,510 --> 00:55:59,180
Speaker 2: do something else for her book.

1300
00:55:59,219 --> 00:55:59,680
Speaker 3: Totally.

1301
00:55:59,760 --> 00:56:01,259
Speaker 4: Like, it's the craziest.

1302
00:56:01,320 --> 00:56:03,440
Speaker 2: I mean, we've talked about all of this, but it's

1303
00:56:03,500 --> 00:56:07,600
Speaker 2: the most larger-than-life, like, movie script of an experience.

1304
00:56:07,700 --> 00:56:08,239
Speaker 3: Absolutely.

1305
00:56:08,260 --> 00:56:13,000
Speaker 1: And as of 2026, D'Angelo remains incarcerated in California.

1306
00:56:13,120 --> 00:56:14,219
Speaker 3: He's 80 years old.

1307
00:56:14,719 --> 00:56:17,300
Speaker 1: Also, update, every time I see Paul Holes, I fucking

1308
00:56:17,900 --> 00:56:19,759
Speaker 1: try to get, like, more information out of him.

1309
00:56:20,320 --> 00:56:21,259
Speaker 3: But, you know.

1310
00:56:21,660 --> 00:56:21,940
Speaker 4: Yeah.

1311
00:56:22,580 --> 00:56:23,839
Speaker 3: That's just, yeah, we want more.

1312
00:56:24,120 --> 00:56:24,359
Speaker 4: Yeah.

1313
00:56:24,680 --> 00:56:27,049
Speaker 2: It's almost like Everybody got what they wanted, which was

1314
00:56:27,210 --> 00:56:28,710
Speaker 2: for this monster to be stopped.

1315
00:56:28,730 --> 00:56:29,250
Speaker 4: Yeah.

1316
00:56:29,830 --> 00:56:33,850
Speaker 2: But then it doesn't go into, like, and now he's

1317
00:56:33,870 --> 00:56:36,090
Speaker 2: going to completely admit to things.

1318
00:56:36,150 --> 00:56:39,430
Speaker 4: Right. He's going to explain things. Like, you don't get satisfaction.

1319
00:56:39,489 --> 00:56:39,719
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1320
00:56:40,010 --> 00:56:41,759
Speaker 4: Ultimately, or that's not part of it.

1321
00:56:41,920 --> 00:56:44,480
Speaker 2: It's, like, just the fact that it stopped and the

1322
00:56:44,520 --> 00:56:48,399
Speaker 2: fact that he's identified is, I guess, the most we

1323
00:56:48,420 --> 00:56:49,359
Speaker 2: get to have from that.

1324
00:56:49,400 --> 00:56:52,620
Speaker 1: Well, hopefully that's enough for the victim's families and the

1325
00:56:52,660 --> 00:56:56,450
Speaker 1: victims to— Being able to move on, which is the

1326
00:56:56,489 --> 00:56:57,090
Speaker 1: real point.

1327
00:56:57,210 --> 00:56:59,170
Speaker 3: But, you know, we just we want to know.

1328
00:56:59,270 --> 00:56:59,550
Speaker 4: Yeah.

1329
00:56:59,730 --> 00:57:02,430
Speaker 2: You know what I also remember is us when we

1330
00:57:02,530 --> 00:57:07,840
Speaker 2: watched that news conference, every moment of it was so unsatisfying.

1331
00:57:07,860 --> 00:57:09,739
Speaker 4: Like that's where I guess I.

1332
00:57:09,700 --> 00:57:11,980
Speaker 2: Thought some of that payoff would come or some of

1333
00:57:12,000 --> 00:57:14,779
Speaker 2: that satisfaction we were just talking about not being there.

1334
00:57:15,219 --> 00:57:18,080
Speaker 2: But like watching them all congratulate each other.

1335
00:57:18,100 --> 00:57:18,340
Speaker 4: Right.

1336
00:57:19,050 --> 00:57:23,150
Speaker 2: And not talk about Paul Holes, not talk about Michelle McNamara,

1337
00:57:23,210 --> 00:57:27,620
Speaker 2: kind of basically point it all back toward these, you know.

1338
00:57:28,160 --> 00:57:28,960
Speaker 4: Police departments.

1339
00:57:29,340 --> 00:57:31,200
Speaker 2: It was just such a weird thing where it's just like, oh,

1340
00:57:31,220 --> 00:57:32,700
Speaker 2: wait a sec. So we're not going to.

1341
00:57:33,580 --> 00:57:35,540
Speaker 4: Hear about how or why.

1342
00:57:35,560 --> 00:57:36,580
Speaker 3: And what they missed.

1343
00:57:36,980 --> 00:57:39,500
Speaker 1: Like, of course, they're not going to talk about, well,

1344
00:57:39,760 --> 00:57:41,990
Speaker 1: you know, saying that the only way we could ever

1345
00:57:42,050 --> 00:57:44,680
Speaker 1: get him was from genetic genealogy. I'm sure there are

1346
00:57:44,720 --> 00:57:47,830
Speaker 1: ways and there was evidence and there were clues where

1347
00:57:47,870 --> 00:57:50,450
Speaker 1: they could have caught him before he had done a

1348
00:57:50,470 --> 00:57:51,270
Speaker 1: lot of the crimes.

1349
00:57:51,390 --> 00:57:51,670
Speaker 2: Yes.

1350
00:57:51,730 --> 00:57:53,270
Speaker 3: They're never going to talk about like, that's what I

1351
00:57:53,310 --> 00:57:54,450
Speaker 3: want to hear is like.

1352
00:57:54,470 --> 00:57:57,590
Speaker 1: Did you know he was a cop and could you

1353
00:57:57,630 --> 00:57:58,630
Speaker 1: have looked into this?

1354
00:57:58,750 --> 00:58:01,689
Speaker 3: And, you know, did you You knew these, like, little

1355
00:58:01,730 --> 00:58:02,630
Speaker 3: things about him.

1356
00:58:02,950 --> 00:58:06,690
Speaker 2: Or even just taking some— which, of course, this wasn't the expectation,

1357
00:58:06,730 --> 00:58:08,910
Speaker 2: but it would have been satisfying for them to talk

1358
00:58:08,970 --> 00:58:13,770
Speaker 2: about the interdepartmental lack of communication that stood in the

1359
00:58:13,830 --> 00:58:16,530
Speaker 2: way of solving these crimes. That stood in the way

1360
00:58:16,570 --> 00:58:20,750
Speaker 2: of them connecting Southern California crimes to Northern California crimes. Like,

1361
00:58:20,930 --> 00:58:24,700
Speaker 2: all those things that it felt like— For some reason,

1362
00:58:25,080 --> 00:58:27,020
Speaker 2: in my mind, I thought that that would be addressed.

1363
00:58:27,040 --> 00:58:28,880
Speaker 2: So it's like, and so can we stop doing that

1364
00:58:28,960 --> 00:58:31,840
Speaker 2: from now on? So that this kind of bullshit, like

1365
00:58:32,240 --> 00:58:34,740
Speaker 2: they're all baseball teams and your team has to win

1366
00:58:34,780 --> 00:58:37,050
Speaker 2: over another. It's like you're standing in the way of

1367
00:58:37,730 --> 00:58:41,689
Speaker 2: potentially like stopping monsters and executing justice.

1368
00:58:41,710 --> 00:58:43,270
Speaker 3: Because you want to be the one and it just.

1369
00:58:43,790 --> 00:58:46,830
Speaker 1: And also the question of like, was he at that

1370
00:58:47,070 --> 00:58:51,490
Speaker 1: conference in the audience where the guy says... Something about

1371
00:58:51,530 --> 00:58:53,710
Speaker 1: a man being in the house, he would never let

1372
00:58:53,750 --> 00:58:54,090
Speaker 1: that happen.

1373
00:58:54,210 --> 00:58:55,050
Speaker 4: I'd never let that happen.

1374
00:58:55,110 --> 00:58:57,140
Speaker 1: And he becomes the next target.

1375
00:58:57,260 --> 00:58:57,440
Speaker 4: Yeah.

1376
00:58:57,940 --> 00:58:59,580
Speaker 3: We still don't know if he was there or if

1377
00:58:59,660 --> 00:59:01,180
Speaker 3: it's just a random act or what.

1378
00:59:01,260 --> 00:59:04,990
Speaker 2: But I mean, it couldn't have been because that's the

1379
00:59:05,140 --> 00:59:08,200
Speaker 2: exact kind of monster, he like the creep that he

1380
00:59:08,240 --> 00:59:10,880
Speaker 2: was it's like oh i'll i was there amongst you

1381
00:59:10,920 --> 00:59:13,300
Speaker 2: and i'm gonna let you know by this horrible.

1382
00:59:12,940 --> 00:59:15,970
Speaker 1: Attack right and then there was also like there was

1383
00:59:16,220 --> 00:59:18,710
Speaker 1: people who said they heard another voice during oh a

1384
00:59:19,710 --> 00:59:22,130
Speaker 1: second voice there's people who said they heard a second

1385
00:59:22,150 --> 00:59:25,010
Speaker 1: voice during the attack and they would steal he would

1386
00:59:25,130 --> 00:59:29,300
Speaker 1: steal things or you know rob them of really specific things,

1387
00:59:29,400 --> 00:59:30,780
Speaker 1: like household things.

1388
00:59:31,820 --> 00:59:34,340
Speaker 4: I mean, I'm going to suggest something very creepy. Yeah.

1389
00:59:34,440 --> 00:59:35,680
Speaker 4: He's the second voice.

1390
00:59:36,140 --> 00:59:36,380
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1391
00:59:36,860 --> 00:59:40,280
Speaker 2: Because that's, and I'm definitely pulling that from like a horror,

1392
00:59:40,300 --> 00:59:43,120
Speaker 2: like a psychological thriller from the 80s or 90s.

1393
00:59:43,160 --> 00:59:44,980
Speaker 3: He would talk to himself for sure. Yeah.

1394
00:59:45,260 --> 00:59:47,720
Speaker 2: And it would make perfect sense that if it's like,

1395
00:59:47,900 --> 00:59:50,540
Speaker 2: and you're doing voice, I mean, he's all up here.

1396
00:59:50,840 --> 00:59:52,640
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1397
00:59:52,740 --> 00:59:54,260
Speaker 4: So. Yeah.

1398
00:59:54,420 --> 00:59:56,320
Speaker 1: Or like, was there other targets that he, like, did

1399
00:59:56,340 --> 00:59:58,740
Speaker 1: he have notes of who he was going to, Target.

1400
00:59:58,900 --> 01:00:01,900
Speaker 2: Or like people that were after the fact finding stuff

1401
01:00:02,020 --> 01:00:05,080
Speaker 2: under those couch cushions. That kind of thing where it's like,

1402
01:00:05,360 --> 01:00:06,620
Speaker 2: you know there's those stories.

1403
01:00:06,680 --> 01:00:07,120
Speaker 3: Totally.

1404
01:00:07,240 --> 01:00:09,120
Speaker 2: People are like, oh, there was all these footprints in

1405
01:00:09,160 --> 01:00:11,470
Speaker 2: our backyard and then it happened five doors down.

1406
01:00:11,670 --> 01:00:14,690
Speaker 1: Or did he know the victim that he targeted before

1407
01:00:14,810 --> 01:00:15,930
Speaker 1: he targeted that person?

1408
01:00:16,090 --> 01:00:17,910
Speaker 4: Right. There was the whole real estate theory.

1409
01:00:18,190 --> 01:00:20,730
Speaker 3: Right. And then there was like a boat, a photo

1410
01:00:20,770 --> 01:00:21,910
Speaker 3: of her on a boat.

1411
01:00:22,070 --> 01:00:22,810
Speaker 1: I mean, yeah.

1412
01:00:23,050 --> 01:00:23,210
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1413
01:00:23,670 --> 01:00:25,030
Speaker 3: Crazy. I guess we'll never know.

1414
01:00:25,130 --> 01:00:26,650
Speaker 4: No. We'll never be satisfied.

1415
01:00:26,670 --> 01:00:29,890
Speaker 3: Unless you get Paul Hull's drunk and make him tell

1416
01:00:29,930 --> 01:00:33,850
Speaker 3: us everything. I'm not. I'll do that.

1417
01:00:34,300 --> 01:00:37,360
Speaker 2: I think we have plans to do that in December. But, yeah,

1418
01:00:37,420 --> 01:00:40,520
Speaker 2: I mean, it was like we got dropped into a movie.

1419
01:00:40,700 --> 01:00:41,180
Speaker 3: Totally.

1420
01:00:41,680 --> 01:00:43,240
Speaker 4: On that, like, day and all the.

1421
01:00:43,220 --> 01:00:44,280
Speaker 3: Days after that.

1422
01:00:44,800 --> 01:00:45,000
Speaker 4: Yeah.

1423
01:00:45,420 --> 01:00:48,700
Speaker 3: Well, thank God he got caught. I mean, we'd never.

1424
01:00:48,530 --> 01:00:50,950
Speaker 2: Rename this episode because this is clearly what it is.

1425
01:00:51,190 --> 01:00:53,430
Speaker 2: But if we want to go through and just name

1426
01:00:53,470 --> 01:00:56,330
Speaker 2: some kind of some great lines that we had during it.

1427
01:00:57,050 --> 01:01:00,330
Speaker 2: Too much asphalt, which is the feeling I've always had

1428
01:01:00,610 --> 01:01:01,510
Speaker 2: about Sacramento.

1429
01:01:02,890 --> 01:01:06,550
Speaker 1: Beyond fired when Stephen missed the Golden State Killer News

1430
01:01:06,590 --> 01:01:07,230
Speaker 1: because he was at.

1431
01:01:07,270 --> 01:01:11,350
Speaker 3: Margaritaville, remember? And you said, you are beyond fired.

1432
01:01:13,130 --> 01:01:15,250
Speaker 4: Stephen loves Margaritaville.

1433
01:01:15,270 --> 01:01:15,650
Speaker 2: He does.

1434
01:01:16,490 --> 01:01:18,169
Speaker 3: Unironically. Oh, yeah.

1435
01:01:18,210 --> 01:01:19,890
Speaker 2: It's like the way some people are like, they have

1436
01:01:19,910 --> 01:01:23,520
Speaker 2: their mom's favorite casserole. Stephen's just like, an afternoon drink

1437
01:01:23,560 --> 01:01:25,200
Speaker 2: at Margaritaville.

1438
01:01:24,460 --> 01:01:25,669
Speaker 4: And Universal Studios.

1439
01:01:25,750 --> 01:01:26,650
Speaker 3: Yeah, love that.

1440
01:01:26,690 --> 01:01:29,030
Speaker 4: Yeah, you had that good line, this is my WrestleMania.

1441
01:01:29,070 --> 01:01:29,870
Speaker 3: That's right.

1442
01:01:30,070 --> 01:01:32,110
Speaker 4: Kind of, I think that fits.

1443
01:01:32,250 --> 01:01:33,150
Speaker 3: This is my WrestleMania.

1444
01:01:33,250 --> 01:01:35,290
Speaker 4: All right. Well, what else is there to say?

1445
01:01:35,430 --> 01:01:35,830
Speaker 3: Nothing.

1446
01:01:35,970 --> 01:01:38,780
Speaker 4: This has been this week's episode of Rewind.

1447
01:01:39,040 --> 01:01:41,880
Speaker 3: Let's say goodbye from 2018.

1448
01:01:47,720 --> 01:01:49,900
Speaker 4: I have to say, maybe we can close it up,

1449
01:01:50,420 --> 01:01:53,560
Speaker 4: but I'm like honored that we get to be a

1450
01:01:54,380 --> 01:01:56,300
Speaker 4: voice in the background of this.

1451
01:01:56,560 --> 01:02:01,030
Speaker 1: And like Michelle McNamara, as we've, I've been, we've been

1452
01:02:01,210 --> 01:02:04,730
Speaker 1: such a fan of hers, a fangirl of a fangirl crime.

1453
01:02:05,110 --> 01:02:07,270
Speaker 1: And like, I'm just honored that we get to even

1454
01:02:07,990 --> 01:02:08,650
Speaker 1: talk about this.

1455
01:02:08,730 --> 01:02:09,970
Speaker 4: What a, yeah.

1456
01:02:10,270 --> 01:02:14,709
Speaker 2: What a magical thing that in real time is, not,

1457
01:02:14,850 --> 01:02:16,910
Speaker 2: it's not like 20 years from now where we get

1458
01:02:16,990 --> 01:02:19,530
Speaker 2: back together to talk about that they finally found the

1459
01:02:19,550 --> 01:02:21,030
Speaker 2: guy or they finally figured.

1460
01:02:20,870 --> 01:02:23,770
Speaker 4: Out who it is. It's just like, this is shocking.

1461
01:02:24,170 --> 01:02:24,950
Speaker 4: It's thrilling.

1462
01:02:25,850 --> 01:02:31,580
Speaker 2: And yeah, kudos to fucking Michelle McNamara and her, it like,

1463
01:02:32,380 --> 01:02:35,040
Speaker 2: people keep using the phrase dogged persistence, but I think

1464
01:02:35,080 --> 01:02:40,010
Speaker 2: there's something it's, she, It's like this righteousness and this

1465
01:02:40,430 --> 01:02:42,910
Speaker 2: like kind of call for justice.

1466
01:02:42,800 --> 01:02:46,720
Speaker 4: That I think we all feel. And I think most people.

1467
01:02:46,540 --> 01:02:48,939
Speaker 2: Are good in that way where they don't want other

1468
01:02:48,980 --> 01:02:50,400
Speaker 2: people to suffer like this.

1469
01:02:50,760 --> 01:02:51,810
Speaker 4: And that's what's cool.

1470
01:02:51,870 --> 01:02:54,970
Speaker 2: It's like all those people at that press conference, everybody

1471
01:02:55,010 --> 01:02:58,850
Speaker 2: that's talking about it. Everybody is just like, no more

1472
01:02:58,890 --> 01:02:59,490
Speaker 2: of this shit.

1473
01:02:59,710 --> 01:03:01,370
Speaker 4: No more pretending, right? Doesn't matter.

1474
01:03:01,870 --> 01:03:04,660
Speaker 2: No more pretending that you, that, you know, all the,

1475
01:03:04,700 --> 01:03:07,860
Speaker 2: all these weird old things are really going by the wayside.

1476
01:03:07,900 --> 01:03:10,300
Speaker 4: These old attitudes, all that kind of stuff.

1477
01:03:10,400 --> 01:03:14,120
Speaker 2: And it's like building a new fucking tomorrow as corny

1478
01:03:14,160 --> 01:03:14,780
Speaker 2: as that sounds.

1479
01:03:14,800 --> 01:03:18,410
Speaker 4: No, I agree. People in Sacramento now who are loving

1480
01:03:18,450 --> 01:03:20,990
Speaker 4: Sacramento and want to defend Sacramento. You don't have to,

1481
01:03:21,130 --> 01:03:24,180
Speaker 4: cause I get towns change, whatever. But I also get

1482
01:03:24,420 --> 01:03:27,140
Speaker 4: to have my opinion about this, the very short amount

1483
01:03:27,160 --> 01:03:30,060
Speaker 4: of time that I suffered greatly in that town.

1484
01:03:30,520 --> 01:03:32,860
Speaker 2: Every day I was suffering. I was a goth in

1485
01:03:32,880 --> 01:03:36,710
Speaker 2: the summer. It sucked shit and I couldn't go anywhere

1486
01:03:36,990 --> 01:03:39,430
Speaker 2: and be happy. We're going to, we're... It doesn't mean

1487
01:03:39,490 --> 01:03:41,770
Speaker 2: anything about you or your family or your fucking grandparents.

1488
01:03:41,790 --> 01:03:45,150
Speaker 4: And we weren't even, we weren't even planning, our tour

1489
01:03:45,190 --> 01:03:45,830
Speaker 4: agent wasn't even.

1490
01:03:46,290 --> 01:03:48,720
Speaker 1: planning on sending us to Sacramento and we insisted because

1491
01:03:48,760 --> 01:03:49,960
Speaker 1: it's become this running joke.

1492
01:03:50,200 --> 01:03:53,640
Speaker 2: Well, because Sacramento Marinerinos are like showing up and they're like,

1493
01:03:53,820 --> 01:03:54,970
Speaker 2: they're like, come here.

1494
01:03:54,990 --> 01:03:58,290
Speaker 4: We love it. We love you. So we love that.

1495
01:03:58,530 --> 01:04:01,950
Speaker 2: It's, it's been so fun, but I, but You cannot

1496
01:04:01,990 --> 01:04:05,080
Speaker 2: change my mind about 90s Sacramento.

1497
01:04:05,160 --> 01:04:06,800
Speaker 4: I think they love it. Oh, I know what I

1498
01:04:06,820 --> 01:04:09,640
Speaker 4: wanted to say. Yes. And I love what I love

1499
01:04:09,800 --> 01:04:14,640
Speaker 4: about Reddit, about what about this press conference, about what

1500
01:04:14,660 --> 01:04:18,160
Speaker 4: I'm sure Michelle would say is that no one is saying,

1501
01:04:18,440 --> 01:04:20,760
Speaker 4: I knew it. I took credit for this. It's because

1502
01:04:20,820 --> 01:04:21,660
Speaker 4: I said this.

1503
01:04:21,720 --> 01:04:24,980
Speaker 1: I said that it's this it's it's wanted to be

1504
01:04:25,040 --> 01:04:28,020
Speaker 1: solved by so many people. And that's so much bigger

1505
01:04:28,060 --> 01:04:30,880
Speaker 1: than anyone's ego. They want it to be solved for

1506
01:04:30,900 --> 01:04:34,390
Speaker 1: the victims and for the victims' families and friends and

1507
01:04:34,450 --> 01:04:36,450
Speaker 1: to put an end to this fucking monster and bring

1508
01:04:36,470 --> 01:04:37,190
Speaker 1: them to justice.

1509
01:04:37,250 --> 01:04:39,790
Speaker 4: Yeah. And so I love that this fight is not

1510
01:04:39,890 --> 01:04:44,500
Speaker 4: for credit or being the one who solves it. Right.

1511
01:04:44,520 --> 01:04:46,250
Speaker 4: It's about justice. justice.

1512
01:04:46,650 --> 01:04:49,670
Speaker 1: And I, I know Michelle would be saying something to

1513
01:04:49,750 --> 01:04:51,610
Speaker 1: us along the lines of no, no, no, it has

1514
01:04:51,650 --> 01:04:53,790
Speaker 1: nothing to do with my, you know, she would be, uh,

1515
01:04:54,770 --> 01:04:57,780
Speaker 1: demurring and she would be rightfully so giving a huge

1516
01:04:57,800 --> 01:04:59,700
Speaker 1: amount of credit to the detectives who have worked on

1517
01:04:59,740 --> 01:05:03,820
Speaker 1: this for years and years and, you know, and wanted

1518
01:05:03,880 --> 01:05:06,580
Speaker 1: just as much to solve this passionately as we did.

1519
01:05:07,300 --> 01:05:09,540
Speaker 2: And the way that sheriff was saying at the beginning, um,

1520
01:05:10,400 --> 01:05:12,400
Speaker 2: I wrote his name down, Scott Jones, my party friend,

1521
01:05:12,420 --> 01:05:15,140
Speaker 2: Scott Jones, um, that he was saying in the beginning, um,

1522
01:05:15,570 --> 01:05:18,910
Speaker 2: He when he became the sheriff, the person who was

1523
01:05:18,930 --> 01:05:21,550
Speaker 2: the sheriff before him was like, this case is huge

1524
01:05:21,590 --> 01:05:23,070
Speaker 2: and important and you have to work on it. So

1525
01:05:23,410 --> 01:05:26,800
Speaker 2: there are all those people that over the years when

1526
01:05:26,820 --> 01:05:29,040
Speaker 2: they were just trying to go place to place with

1527
01:05:29,180 --> 01:05:32,720
Speaker 2: no technology, with everything was writing, writing everything up by

1528
01:05:32,760 --> 01:05:34,380
Speaker 2: hand and putting it into a file.

1529
01:05:34,400 --> 01:05:37,940
Speaker 1: I saw something that was like one page of files

1530
01:05:38,040 --> 01:05:41,650
Speaker 1: from back then takes forever. you know, three weeks for

1531
01:05:41,810 --> 01:05:44,950
Speaker 1: us to like translate. That's so wrong. But you know

1532
01:05:44,970 --> 01:05:45,410
Speaker 1: what I mean?

1533
01:05:45,570 --> 01:05:46,530
Speaker 4: To put into a computer?

1534
01:05:46,650 --> 01:05:49,310
Speaker 1: To put into a computer, like one file takes, we

1535
01:05:49,350 --> 01:05:50,169
Speaker 1: have to, yeah.

1536
01:05:51,250 --> 01:05:54,090
Speaker 4: It just takes forever to make it. Oh, maybe it's one.

1537
01:05:54,850 --> 01:05:58,530
Speaker 4: Cut that out. I don't know. It was great. But

1538
01:05:58,570 --> 01:06:00,950
Speaker 4: basically it takes fucking forever and it's tons of work.

1539
01:06:01,070 --> 01:06:04,310
Speaker 4: It was all paperwork back then. It's all paperwork. And

1540
01:06:04,550 --> 01:06:08,690
Speaker 4: those people suffered. The police who worked on it suffered, too.

1541
01:06:08,710 --> 01:06:11,310
Speaker 2: Yeah. Like they they're the ones that had to go

1542
01:06:11,330 --> 01:06:15,250
Speaker 2: and and suffer by not catching him and by meeting

1543
01:06:15,290 --> 01:06:15,870
Speaker 2: more victims.

1544
01:06:15,950 --> 01:06:17,410
Speaker 4: And there's so much.

1545
01:06:18,310 --> 01:06:20,669
Speaker 2: It just is so incredible that there gets to be

1546
01:06:20,690 --> 01:06:24,220
Speaker 2: at least it's not closure, but it is this like

1547
01:06:24,340 --> 01:06:26,919
Speaker 2: it's next steps. It's real next step.

1548
01:06:26,960 --> 01:06:32,050
Speaker 4: Finally, it's fucking finally. Fuck, guys. Thanks for listening. Let

1549
01:06:32,090 --> 01:06:35,850
Speaker 4: us know what you think. Yeah. This is really cool. Yeah.

1550
01:06:36,050 --> 01:06:39,190
Speaker 4: I'm thrilled. Me too. All right. Stay sexy. Don't get murdered.

1551
01:06:39,470 --> 01:06:39,750
Speaker 2: Bye.

1552
01:06:39,770 --> 01:06:42,690
Speaker 4: Goodbye. Elvis. Do you want a cookie?

1553
01:06:42,710 --> 01:06:45,490
Speaker 3: There it is.

1554
01:06:46,410 --> 01:06:47,190
Speaker 4: Goodbye.

1555
01:06:47,210 --> 01:06:47,280
Speaker 2: Bye.