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<v Speaker 1>The views and opinions expressed in this podcast are solely

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<v Speaker 1>those of the podcast author or individuals participating in the podcast,

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<v Speaker 1>or its employees.

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<v Speaker 2>For law enforcement, every homicide case is a puzzle, some

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<v Speaker 2>more difficult than others.

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<v Speaker 3>Two hundred pieces versus two hundred thousands.

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<v Speaker 2>The Zodiac killer took the idea of a puzzle quite literally,

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<v Speaker 2>forcing everyone to play his little game. This may be

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<v Speaker 2>with the Zodiac is known for best codes and taunting

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<v Speaker 2>letters to press and police, But would there be any

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<v Speaker 2>answers to his riddle?

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<v Speaker 3>Any content to his code?

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<v Speaker 2>Was all this affront a powerplay and not worth the

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<v Speaker 2>attention he so desperately sought That was left up to

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<v Speaker 2>the press.

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<v Speaker 3>Game on.

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<v Speaker 4>A man in a match, robbed, tied, and stab them,

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<v Speaker 4>leaving them for.

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<v Speaker 5>Damn subjects stated, I want to report a murder, no

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<v Speaker 5>a double murder.

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<v Speaker 4>I did it a man who wore a medieval style

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<v Speaker 4>executioners hood, carried a knife and gun and intended to

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<v Speaker 4>use them.

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<v Speaker 5>They haven't arrested me because they can't prove a thing.

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<v Speaker 6>I'm not the damn Zodiac.

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<v Speaker 4>Who is the Zodiac? And where is he.

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<v Speaker 2>From iHeartRadio, Helstuff Works and Tenderfoot TV.

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<v Speaker 3>This is Monster, the Zodiac Killer.

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<v Speaker 7>When he committed the murders on Lake Kerman Road, he

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<v Speaker 7>didn't make any effort to communicate with the media or

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<v Speaker 7>take responsibility for it, but there was a lot of

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<v Speaker 7>media attention around it. And then when he struck again

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<v Speaker 7>in July of nineteen sixty nine, there was enormous media coverage,

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<v Speaker 7>largely because of the phone call he made afterwards where

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<v Speaker 7>he took credit for that crime and the murders on

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<v Speaker 7>Lake Kerman Road.

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<v Speaker 8>If you will go one mile east on Columbus Parkway,

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<v Speaker 8>you'll kids in a brown car. They were shot with

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<v Speaker 8>a nine milimeter luger. I also killed those kids last year.

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<v Speaker 7>So now he's created this sensational story that there's a

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<v Speaker 7>psychotic killer out there, a serial killer who's responsible for

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<v Speaker 7>two crimes, not just one. Twenty six days later is

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<v Speaker 7>when I get the first Zodiac letters.

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<v Speaker 4>A strange letter arrives at the offices of three Northern

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<v Speaker 4>California newspapers.

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<v Speaker 7>He's created a whole other game.

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<v Speaker 3>Now.

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<v Speaker 1>On July thirty first, nineteen sixty nine, the zodiaccent envelopes

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<v Speaker 1>to three Bay area newspapers. Each envelope included two sheets,

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<v Speaker 1>a handwritten letter, and one third of a three part

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<v Speaker 1>coded message known as a cryptogram or a cipher. This

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<v Speaker 1>coded message is very important to the case, but let's

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<v Speaker 1>focus on the letter first. Duffy Jennings was working at

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<v Speaker 1>the San Francisco Chronicle when the first or arrived.

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<v Speaker 6>I'll never forget my first day walking into the Chronicle.

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<v Speaker 6>The day before, I had come in to do an interview,

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<v Speaker 6>but it was in the morning, and there's not a

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<v Speaker 6>lot of activity, you know, mostly activity in the morning papers,

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<v Speaker 6>late afternoon. But when I came in to start work

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<v Speaker 6>the next afternoon, I think it was probably two o'clock.

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<v Speaker 6>It was equivalent the first time I walked into the

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<v Speaker 6>Yankee Stadium and saw that grass, and everybody talks about

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<v Speaker 6>that first experience overwhelming. It is the majesty of it.

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<v Speaker 6>And that's what I sensed at the Chronicle. It was

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<v Speaker 6>total chaos. Desks were disheveled and crowded with papers, and

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<v Speaker 6>there was stuff everywhere, and people were smoking. I could

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<v Speaker 6>smell pencil shavings, glue, printers, ink, lots of people talking

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<v Speaker 6>loudly and guys yelling copy and guys at the desk

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<v Speaker 6>yelling first edition. It was just a typical day. But

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<v Speaker 6>that's how it was every afternoon. The closer I got

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<v Speaker 6>to five o'clock, people were on deadline. Editors were yelling,

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<v Speaker 6>you need to explain this, or rewrite this, or you know,

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<v Speaker 6>whatever it was, And I was just captivated. But I

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<v Speaker 6>was mesmerized by this. It was just kind of an

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<v Speaker 6>overwhelming sensory experience to be in and around this environment.

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<v Speaker 6>I would come in and wait to be assigned to

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<v Speaker 6>cover something. When the first letter came, I was among

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<v Speaker 6>the copy boys sorting mail. The first letter didn't cause

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<v Speaker 6>a lot of consternation in the sense that nobody knew

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<v Speaker 6>quite what to make of it. Time. It was viewed

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<v Speaker 6>really as here's a nutcase playing games and say if

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<v Speaker 6>you can guess what this is.

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<v Speaker 1>Here's a portion of the first letter the Zodiac sent

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<v Speaker 1>to the San Francisco Chronicle.

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<v Speaker 8>Dear editor, this is the murderer of the two teenagers

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<v Speaker 8>last Christmas at Lake Herman and the girl on the

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<v Speaker 8>fourth of July near the off course in Vallejo. Here

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<v Speaker 8>is part of a cipher. The other two parts of

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<v Speaker 8>this cipher are being mailed to the editors of the

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<v Speaker 8>Vallejo Times and San Francisco Examiner. I want you to

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<v Speaker 8>print ae cipher on the front page of your paper.

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<v Speaker 8>In this cipher is my identity. If you do not

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<v Speaker 8>printice by the afternoon of Friday, first of August, I

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<v Speaker 8>will go on a kill rampage Friday night. I will

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<v Speaker 8>cruise around all weekend, killing lone people in the night,

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<v Speaker 8>then move on to kill again.

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<v Speaker 1>The letter was scrawled in blue felt tip pen. The

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<v Speaker 1>handwriting was sloppy and cramped, and it was full of misspellings,

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<v Speaker 1>like Christmas with two s's at the end. The style

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<v Speaker 1>of this writing seemed a strange contrast to the other sheet,

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<v Speaker 1>an orderly grid of letters and symbols that the killer

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<v Speaker 1>said contained his true identity.

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<v Speaker 7>When the first letters arrived, that was his introduction to

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<v Speaker 7>the world. This is who I am. I am the murderer,

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<v Speaker 7>so I'm may be taken seriously. I'm a very dangerous person,

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<v Speaker 7>and if you don't do what I tell you to do,

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<v Speaker 7>there will be real consequences.

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<v Speaker 1>The newspapers weren't sure if the letter came from the killer,

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<v Speaker 1>and even if it did, should they publish it. On

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<v Speaker 1>the one hand, you want to take the threat seriously.

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<v Speaker 1>On the other it's like bargaining with terrorists or printing

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<v Speaker 1>a mass shooter's manifesto. Do you really want to reward

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<v Speaker 1>a killer with attention and give them a platform to

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<v Speaker 1>spread more fear. Two other papers, the San Francisco Examiner

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<v Speaker 1>in the Vallejo Times, received nearly identical letters but different

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<v Speaker 1>parts of the code, so the papers had to decide

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<v Speaker 1>together whether or not to publish.

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<v Speaker 6>When there's any kind of controversy or question about whether

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<v Speaker 6>to publish things like this, particularly around threats, My guess

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<v Speaker 6>is that we talked to the other newspapers and said,

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<v Speaker 6>are you going to publish your third of the cryptogram?

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<v Speaker 6>And everybody said, yes, we will. I mean, it's a

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<v Speaker 6>news story when a killer takes credit publicly for what

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<v Speaker 6>he's done and then taunts you or the police to

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<v Speaker 6>solve a puzzle. But even that wasn't up front page story.

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<v Speaker 1>Two days later, on Saturday, August second, the Chronicle ran

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<v Speaker 1>the story coded Clue in Murders with a reproduction of

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<v Speaker 1>the cipher. The Valejo police chief was quoted as saying,

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<v Speaker 1>we're not satisfied the letter was written by the murderer,

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<v Speaker 1>and he urged whoever wrote the letter to prove he

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<v Speaker 1>was the killer by sending more details, perhaps trying to

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<v Speaker 1>trick the Zodiac into sending something self incriminating. The chief

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<v Speaker 1>also warned Vallejo residents to avoid lonely places.

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<v Speaker 7>It wasn't until the police asked, would you send another

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<v Speaker 7>letter with more details that the next letter came and said,

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<v Speaker 7>this is the Zodiac speaking.

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<v Speaker 1>On August fourth, nineteen sixty nine, just two days after

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<v Speaker 1>the chronicle story, a new letter arrived with the same

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<v Speaker 1>slanted handwriting.

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<v Speaker 8>Dear editor, this is the Zodiac speaking in answer to

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<v Speaker 8>your asking for more details about the good times I've

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<v Speaker 8>had in Vallejo. I shall be very happy to supply

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<v Speaker 8>even more material. By the way, are the police having

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<v Speaker 8>a good time.

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<v Speaker 3>With the code?

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<v Speaker 8>If not, tell them to cheer up. When they do

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<v Speaker 8>crack it, they will have me last Christmas. In that episode,

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<v Speaker 8>the police were wondering as to how I could shoot

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<v Speaker 8>and hit my victims in the dark. They did not

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<v Speaker 8>only state this, but implied this by saying it was

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<v Speaker 8>a well lit night and I could see the silhouettes

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<v Speaker 8>on the horizon. Bullshit. That area is surrounded by high

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<v Speaker 8>hills and trees. What I did was tape a small

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<v Speaker 8>pencil flashlight to the barrel of my gun. If you notice,

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<v Speaker 8>you'll see a black or dark spot in the center

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<v Speaker 8>of the circle of light. One taped to a gun barrel.

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<v Speaker 8>The bullet will strike exactly in the center of the

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<v Speaker 8>black dot in the light. All I had to do

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<v Speaker 8>was spray them is if it was a water hose.

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<v Speaker 8>I was not happy to see that I did not

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<v Speaker 8>get front page coverage.

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<v Speaker 7>When he sends that second letter, now he's the Zodiac killer.

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<v Speaker 7>He has chosen his own name, his own moniker. And

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<v Speaker 7>although a lot of serial killers throughout history have nicknames,

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<v Speaker 7>most don't choose their nicknames for themselves. So that name

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<v Speaker 7>had some meaning to him that we don't know. But

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<v Speaker 7>if you look at the handwriting in the Zodiac letters,

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<v Speaker 7>especially the ones that accompany the cipher, the handwriting looks

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<v Speaker 7>very sloppy. It looks kind of rushed and just natural handwriting,

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<v Speaker 7>like I just fired off this letter. Then you look

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<v Speaker 7>at the cipher, it's very clean and very careful. Each

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<v Speaker 7>part consisted of a block of symbols, letters from the

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<v Speaker 7>English language, symbols from astrology and other things, you know,

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<v Speaker 7>half filled circles backwards letters. They're tidy and then straight rows.

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<v Speaker 7>He might have used some sort of graphing paper underneath

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<v Speaker 7>when he was doing it to make sure of that,

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<v Speaker 7>which says something in and of itself about the killer

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<v Speaker 7>that tells you right there, this was very.

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<v Speaker 3>Important to him.

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<v Speaker 7>It was more important than the letter. And when you

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<v Speaker 7>look at the cipher itself, it's chilling just to look

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<v Speaker 7>at it, because you know there's something in it, right,

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<v Speaker 7>But once you realize what's in it, it's even more frightening.

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<v Speaker 7>If he just wanted to brag about what he did,

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<v Speaker 7>he could do that, and he did in that letter.

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<v Speaker 7>The cipher is another element of this game he's playing.

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<v Speaker 7>It's not just I'm somebody who has to be taken seriously.

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<v Speaker 7>I'm dangerous. It's also I'm really clever, and I have

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<v Speaker 7>something else I want to say. If you want to

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<v Speaker 7>know who I am, you want to understand what I

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<v Speaker 7>did and why I do what I do, You're gonna

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<v Speaker 7>have to work for it. I'm not going to give

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<v Speaker 7>you everything.

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<v Speaker 1>The police sent the three parts cipher to the nearby

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<v Speaker 1>Mare Island Naval Shipyard. There, navy code breakers rushed to

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<v Speaker 1>crack the Killer's code and to discover the Zodiac's true

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<v Speaker 1>identity before he killed again.

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<v Speaker 9>On The published codes stopped hundreds of amateur cryptographers and

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<v Speaker 9>several intelligence agencies.

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<v Speaker 1>But surprisingly it was actually two amateurs who ended up

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<v Speaker 1>solving it. A school teacher and his wife, Don and

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<v Speaker 1>Betty Harden, saw the code in the newspaper and just

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<v Speaker 1>decided to give it a shot. Tom Voyd, who runs

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<v Speaker 1>the website Zodiac killer dot com, recorded the Harden's daughter, Leslie,

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<v Speaker 1>at a two thousand and eight conference.

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<v Speaker 10>Began on a Sunday morning fairly early, went on into

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<v Speaker 10>the afternoon, into the evening, and through the night. They

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<v Speaker 10>really became, in my eyes, the perfect code breaking team,

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<v Speaker 10>because my dad had the scientific approach and very logical practices,

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<v Speaker 10>and my mother had some.

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<v Speaker 11>Intuition that led them in the direction that they needed

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<v Speaker 11>to go. My father at some point recognized that he

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<v Speaker 11>had to go to work the next morning, and when

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<v Speaker 11>he went.

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<v Speaker 6>To that.

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<v Speaker 11>Not so my mother. She did not sleep and ate

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<v Speaker 11>very little. The next morning, he got up and went

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<v Speaker 11>off to work.

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<v Speaker 12>He was a school teacher, came back home and was

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<v Speaker 12>probably mildly surprised to find that there was no dinner

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<v Speaker 12>and nothing at all happened in the kitchen.

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<v Speaker 13>She sat in the chair and he stood behind her.

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<v Speaker 13>And what really captured my attention for that moment was

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<v Speaker 13>not the code spread out in front of them at all.

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<v Speaker 13>It was the look of love on my father's face

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<v Speaker 13>as he paid over her.

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<v Speaker 14>And Don Harden. He had a boyhood interest in codes.

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<v Speaker 14>You know, if it wasn't for Betty's persistence, they wouldn't

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<v Speaker 14>have finished it.

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<v Speaker 1>That's David Auranjak, a programmer and amateur cryptographer. He's spent

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<v Speaker 1>the last decade fascinated by the Zodiacs codes.

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<v Speaker 14>The first cipher was a simple substitution cipher, basically a

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<v Speaker 14>simple way to hide a message.

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<v Speaker 1>Essentially, you substitute each letter with a different letter. So

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<v Speaker 1>to make a cipher for the word kill, you might

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<v Speaker 1>substitute J for K, H for I, and b's for

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<v Speaker 1>both l's. And if you know which letters you substituted,

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<v Speaker 1>you can then decode JHBB back to kill. But without

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<v Speaker 1>knowing which letters were substituted, how do you crack that code?

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<v Speaker 1>The Hardens started by doing what's called a frequency analysis.

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<v Speaker 14>You count up all the letters and how many times

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<v Speaker 14>they happen. One of the things about English is that

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<v Speaker 14>certain letters appear more often than others. In particular, the

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<v Speaker 14>letter E is the most frequently occurring letter in the

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<v Speaker 14>English language, and so you can use that information to

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<v Speaker 14>your advantage when you're looking at a ciphertext. If you

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<v Speaker 14>find that, say, the letter V is happening a lot

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<v Speaker 14>more often than the other letters, then there's a good

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<v Speaker 14>chance that it stands for the letter E. But the

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<v Speaker 14>way the Zodiac made it harder and the first cipher

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<v Speaker 14>was he would take a common letter like E, and

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<v Speaker 14>instead of assigning one ciphertext letter to it, he assigned

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<v Speaker 14>seven seven different symbols.

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<v Speaker 1>That's why the Zodiac used backwards letters in astrological symbols

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<v Speaker 1>to make his code harder to crack. Undaunted, the Harden's

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<v Speaker 1>next tried what's called cribbing, plugging specific words into the puzzle.

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<v Speaker 1>On a simpler cryptogram, you could try to figure out

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<v Speaker 1>short words first.

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<v Speaker 14>If the ciphertext has spaces in it, then you know

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<v Speaker 14>that certain words are likely to happen. For instance, if

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<v Speaker 14>you see a word that only has one letter, then

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<v Speaker 14>there's only two words that it can be A and I.

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<v Speaker 14>But in the first side for text, he did not

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<v Speaker 14>use word spaces, so that made it a little harder

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<v Speaker 14>to solve.

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<v Speaker 1>Still, even without the spaces, you can try and guess

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<v Speaker 1>if certain groups of symbols represent common words.

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<v Speaker 14>If you have a right guess and you plug it

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<v Speaker 14>in and you do the substitutions, other parts of the

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<v Speaker 14>plaintext will come out. So you'll see fragments of other

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<v Speaker 14>words like thhe. Well, there's a lot of words to

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<v Speaker 14>start with THG, so you might be onto something. And

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<v Speaker 14>if you made a bad guess, then those fragments will

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<v Speaker 14>look like nonsense. There'll be letters that are next to

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<v Speaker 14>each other that wouldn't really be next to each other ZQR.

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<v Speaker 14>That guess is probably wrong. And Betty is attributed to

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<v Speaker 14>the insight of thinking that he would start it by

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<v Speaker 14>talking about himself and so it would start with the

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<v Speaker 14>letter I, and that he would talk about his crime,

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<v Speaker 14>so he would mention killing. And those intuitions also came

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<v Speaker 14>from patterns that they observed in the ciphertext. They found

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<v Speaker 14>symbols that were repeating next to each other. Doing a

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<v Speaker 14>little research, they found, well, the most common doubled letter

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<v Speaker 14>in English is LL, and you know LLL appears in.

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<v Speaker 7>A lot of words all.

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<v Speaker 14>Will and kill, and so that was a good guess

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<v Speaker 14>on their part, because kill does appear in the message.

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<v Speaker 14>So they tried to plug in those words in different

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<v Speaker 14>places and eventually found other patterns, and then, through trial

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<v Speaker 14>and error, were able to crack the code.

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<v Speaker 1>Or at least almost crack the code. At the very

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<v Speaker 1>end of the message was a string of letters that

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<v Speaker 1>so far no one has been able to figure.

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<v Speaker 14>Out the remaining eighteen symbols. It's just gibberish sequence of

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<v Speaker 14>letters that doesn't make any sense. Zodiac was claiming that

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<v Speaker 14>his identity was in the message, but when you decode

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<v Speaker 14>it with the Harden's key, it doesn't say anything about

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<v Speaker 14>his identity. But since the last eighteen are still undercoded,

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<v Speaker 14>that's led to a lot of people thinking, well, maybe

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<v Speaker 14>he did something else. There's some other process that is

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<v Speaker 14>different than the key for the rest of the message,

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<v Speaker 14>and there might be another message in there. Maybe he

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<v Speaker 14>really did put his identity in there and it's hidden somehow,

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<v Speaker 14>and those last eighteen and we just haven't figured it out.

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<v Speaker 1>Leslie, the Harden's daughter, remembers waking up in the middle

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<v Speaker 1>of the night after her parents cracked the code.

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<v Speaker 11>Once the message became clear, it was a very frightening message.

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<v Speaker 15>I do recall being in my room, coming in and

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<v Speaker 15>out of sleep, mostly nightmares and scary images, because the

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<v Speaker 15>words that were floating down the hallway were frightening words.

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<v Speaker 11>Kill dangerous animal.

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<v Speaker 1>This is the message that was hidden in the Zodia

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<v Speaker 1>Acts three parts cipher.

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<v Speaker 8>I like killing people because it is so much fun.

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<v Speaker 8>It is more fun than killing weld game in the forest,

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<v Speaker 8>because man is the most dangerous animal of all. To

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<v Speaker 8>kill something gives me the most thrilling experience. It is

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<v Speaker 8>even better than getting your rocks off with a girl.

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<v Speaker 8>The best part of it is that when I die,

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<v Speaker 8>I'll be reborn in paradise and all that I have

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<v Speaker 8>killed will become my slaves. I will not give you

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<v Speaker 8>my name because you will try to slow down or

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<v Speaker 8>stop my collection of slaves for my afterlife.

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<v Speaker 12>All of a sudden, what looks like a message, and

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<v Speaker 12>the question at hand was what do we do now?

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<v Speaker 12>They decided that they would do what the paper suggested.

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<v Speaker 12>The paper had said, I think you might have a solution.

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<v Speaker 12>Call this number.

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<v Speaker 11>So they did. But once they did, it got a

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<v Speaker 11>whole lot more interesting.

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<v Speaker 1>The decoded message didn't reveal the Zodiac's true identity, as

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<v Speaker 1>he had promised, but it did give clues as to

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<v Speaker 1>who the zodiac might be.

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<v Speaker 7>In the Zodiac Seiphered message, he referred to man as

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<v Speaker 7>the most dangerous animal of all, which some people have

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<v Speaker 7>interpreted as a reference to the book and or the

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<v Speaker 7>movie The Most Dangerous Game. A lot of us who

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<v Speaker 7>are older, we had to read that story in high school.

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<v Speaker 7>And if you were a teenager who read that in

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<v Speaker 7>high school and you were harboring some sort of violent fantasies,

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<v Speaker 7>then you're not sympathizing with the victims the way most

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<v Speaker 7>of us do. When you read that story, do you

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<v Speaker 7>think about being the hunter Count Tsarov who lives on

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<v Speaker 7>this island where he has constructed things designed to make

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<v Speaker 7>ships crash on the shore so that people will be

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<v Speaker 7>deserted on this island.

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<v Speaker 13>I'm not trying to intrude, but I'm in sort of

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<v Speaker 13>a jam. Are you the owner here? Yes?

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<v Speaker 2>I am Count Zubtolf.

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<v Speaker 7>And of course he pretends to be a gracious host

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<v Speaker 7>and invites them to stay and everything.

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<v Speaker 5>God made some in kings, some big us me he

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<v Speaker 5>made a.

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<v Speaker 7>Hunter, only for them to learn that he really intends

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<v Speaker 7>to hunt.

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<v Speaker 3>Them like animals here on my island.

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<v Speaker 5>I hunt the Most Dangerous Game.

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<v Speaker 8>You write me take half drowned men from ships you

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<v Speaker 8>wrecked and drive them out to be hunted.

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<v Speaker 5>Only after the keel does man know the true extosial.

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<v Speaker 7>Love Count Tzarov obviously the name starts with the letter Z.

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<v Speaker 7>He wears a costume of sorts, and he stalks his

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<v Speaker 7>victims like prey. The whole story is structured around the

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<v Speaker 7>idea that killing is sort of an intellectual exercise, that

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<v Speaker 7>it's sort of a right of man to hunt another

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<v Speaker 7>human being, that killing is part of human nature, and

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<v Speaker 7>the Zodiac may have been very drawn to a story

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<v Speaker 7>with those elements. He may have decided to emulate certain

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<v Speaker 7>aspects of Count Zaroff.

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<v Speaker 16>And maybe that might explain the difference between those first

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<v Speaker 16>two attacks the Bliss create shootings at night.

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<v Speaker 7>After that, it's not the same kind of crime because

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<v Speaker 7>in the story The Most Dangerous Game, Count Zarov doesn't

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<v Speaker 7>come out saying I'm going to kill you. He makes

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<v Speaker 7>you think that he's a friendly person. He wants you

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<v Speaker 7>to participate in his game. He needs you to feel

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<v Speaker 7>safe so that when you find out that you're no

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<v Speaker 7>longer safe, he can see that fear in you and

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<v Speaker 7>that fearrest part of the hunt, So I think with

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<v Speaker 7>the Zodiac there may have been some element of that

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<v Speaker 7>that he decided it's not enough for me to just

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<v Speaker 7>shoot these people. I need to talk to them. I

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<v Speaker 7>need to look in their eyes and see them going, oh,

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<v Speaker 7>everything's okay now, and then look in their eyes when

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<v Speaker 7>I flip on them and they find out that this

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<v Speaker 7>is not what they thought and that their lives.

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<v Speaker 9>Are at statement.

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<v Speaker 1>Why did the Zodiac quote the villain from what at

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<v Speaker 1>the time was almost a fifty year old story. Maybe

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<v Speaker 1>it's how he saw himself a movie villain playing with

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<v Speaker 1>his victims. There were other possible clues about the Zodiac's

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<v Speaker 1>identity hidden in the cipher, such as this line, to

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<v Speaker 1>kill something gives me the most thrilling experience. It is

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<v Speaker 1>even better than getting your rocks off.

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<v Speaker 8>With a girl.

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<v Speaker 1>Psychiatrists at the time speculate that this line reflected the

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<v Speaker 1>killer's feelings of sexual inadequacy, but it may have also

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<v Speaker 1>been literal. The Zodiac may be a sadist, someone who

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<v Speaker 1>feels excitement or pleasure from inflicting pain. To learn more

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<v Speaker 1>about sadism, we spoke with criminal psychology professor Eric Hickey.

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<v Speaker 9>My name is doctor Eric Hickey. I'm a criminal psychologist.

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<v Speaker 9>Some days I'm just a criminalistimes I'm just a psychologist.

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<v Speaker 1>Professor Hickey literally wrote the book on serial killers. It's

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<v Speaker 1>a textbook called Serial Murderers and Their Victims.

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<v Speaker 9>One day I got a phone call from the media

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<v Speaker 9>and there was a case of a mass murderer. When

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<v Speaker 9>they searched his car, they've found a couple of books

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<v Speaker 9>in the backseat of his car, and one of the

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<v Speaker 9>books was my book on sera murder. They said, doctor Key,

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<v Speaker 9>how do you feel about the fact that this serial

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<v Speaker 9>or mass murderer had your book in his car? Like

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<v Speaker 9>I'm supposed to feel badly that I wrote a book

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<v Speaker 9>about serial murders. No, And I said, well, why would

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<v Speaker 9>I be upset about that? The point is this is

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<v Speaker 9>for public education to make it more aware of these

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<v Speaker 9>types of people.

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<v Speaker 1>Professor Hickey says two thirds of serial killers are sexual predators,

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<v Speaker 1>and many have unusual desires like sadism. Hickey says that

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<v Speaker 1>even though the Zodiac didn't sexually assault his victims, the

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<v Speaker 1>killings could have been sexually motivated.

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<v Speaker 9>So sadism is what we call it paraphilia perophilia, meaning

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<v Speaker 9>that they get sexual arousement and gratification through bizarre imagery, fantasies,

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<v Speaker 9>and behavior. There's hundreds and hundreds of paraphilia, and probably

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<v Speaker 9>a sixty percent of them are not criminal. If people

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<v Speaker 9>want to have sex with doorknobs, that's their business, it's

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<v Speaker 9>not a crime. A person could have a footfeth that's

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<v Speaker 9>not a crime. It is a crime. However, if they

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<v Speaker 9>break into people's homes and peel off their blanket while

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<v Speaker 9>they're asleep and stuck on their toes, that's a crime.

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<v Speaker 9>So there's a whole variety of criminal paraphilia that are

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<v Speaker 9>not physically harmful, but they are still criminal, like voyeurism, exhibitionism,

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<v Speaker 9>somnophilia where you would like to watch people asleep. Those

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<v Speaker 9>are criminal, but nobody gets hurt. But people who are

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<v Speaker 9>driven to kill serially, those not the kind out less

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<v Speaker 9>they're looking for. If you're a serial killer and you're statistic,

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<v Speaker 9>you're not into consent. You want to be able to

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<v Speaker 9>do what you want to do. A Zodiac and no

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<v Speaker 9>problem killing people and making them suffer as he did it.

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<v Speaker 1>Hickey thinks of the Zodiac sadism likely extended beyond the

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<v Speaker 1>killings to the letters, the puzzles, the.

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<v Speaker 9>Way he taught the police. There was an element of

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<v Speaker 9>sadism there. He liked creating fear in the public's eye.

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<v Speaker 9>I'm sure that he liked reading about himself in newspapers.

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<v Speaker 9>That would have been quite gratifying to him. He could

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<v Speaker 9>become kind of contact the Ripper.

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<v Speaker 1>Jack the Ripper also sent letters to newspapers when he

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<v Speaker 1>terrorized London in the late eighteen hundreds. One read the

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<v Speaker 1>next job I do, I shall clip the lady's ears

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<v Speaker 1>off and send the police officers just for jolly. Many

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<v Speaker 1>thought it was a hoax, until three days later a

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<v Speaker 1>woman was found dead, her ear lobe severed.

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<v Speaker 9>I think that that was something that the Zodiac and

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<v Speaker 9>was trying to attain. Was that sort of notoriety. He

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<v Speaker 9>held the city of San Francisco in fear. It was

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<v Speaker 9>all his doing, and that would make him feel very powerful,

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<v Speaker 9>and it gave him great pleasure in doing it. So

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<v Speaker 9>there was that sort of sadistic approach, not just to

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<v Speaker 9>his victims, but also to the general public.

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<v Speaker 1>So the Zodiac is likely a sadist, a term named

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<v Speaker 1>after the Marquis de Sod, a French philosopher and novelist.

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<v Speaker 1>Sod wrote in his book Juliet, it is an article

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<v Speaker 1>of faith on the island of Borneo that all those

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<v Speaker 1>persons a man kills will be his slaves in the

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<v Speaker 1>next world. And as a result, the better a man

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<v Speaker 1>wishes to be served after his death, the more he

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<v Speaker 1>kills during life, which brings us to the end of

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<v Speaker 1>the cipher.

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<v Speaker 8>When I die, I'll be reborn in paradise, and all

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<v Speaker 8>that I have killed will become my slaves. I will

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<v Speaker 8>not give you my name, because you will try to

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<v Speaker 8>slow down or stop my collection of slaves for my afterlife.

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<v Speaker 1>Had the Zodiac read that passage from the Marquis de

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<v Speaker 1>Sade or heard about these beliefs somewhere else. Either way,

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<v Speaker 1>this fantasy of slaves in the afterlife speaks to the

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<v Speaker 1>Zodiac's intense desire for power and control. The Zodiac's murders

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<v Speaker 1>and phone call were cold hearted, his letters were twisted,

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<v Speaker 1>but the decoded cipher revealed just how truly deranged the

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<v Speaker 1>Zodiac was. As San Francisco would soon find out, what

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<v Speaker 1>they'd seen so far was just the beginning. The Zodiac

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<v Speaker 1>was ramping up. Professor Hickey told us serial killers often

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<v Speaker 1>intensify their crimes over time.

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<v Speaker 9>There's sort of this evolvement with serial killers that we see.

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<v Speaker 9>There is a long process. Look at Jeffrey Dahmer. Nobody

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<v Speaker 9>wakes up in the morning and said, I'm an acrophile.

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<v Speaker 9>They wake up feeling that they want to be with

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<v Speaker 9>someone who's been buried. And that's what Dahmer did. He

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<v Speaker 9>wanted to be with someone who has been buried because

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<v Speaker 9>he has such low self esteem. He didn't feel comfortable

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<v Speaker 9>with the live person. And then he progressed wanted to

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<v Speaker 9>be with blow up dolls and mannequins and so on,

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<v Speaker 9>and then he progressed from that to dead animals, and

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<v Speaker 9>then from there he went into bringing people home, and

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<v Speaker 9>when they wanted to leave them, he'd make them unconscious,

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<v Speaker 9>then drill holes in their heads and put mer curic

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<v Speaker 9>acid in to make them into zombies. And then he

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<v Speaker 9>progressed from there to evisceraating them and then having sex

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<v Speaker 9>with the corpse and started cannibalizing them. He went down

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<v Speaker 9>this long, dark, dark pathway that each time he did,

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<v Speaker 9>his fantasies get more and more evolved.

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<v Speaker 1>Like Jeffrey Dahmer, the Zodiac was also beginning to evolve.

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<v Speaker 1>His codes would become more complex, his letters increasingly bizarre,

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<v Speaker 1>and his murders more ritualistic and sadistic.

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<v Speaker 3>Next time on Monster the Zodiac.

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<v Speaker 4>Killer, Celia Shephard and Brian Hartnell, both in their early twenties,

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<v Speaker 4>were sitting on this knoll of land overlooking part of

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<v Speaker 4>Lake Barriessa. They thought they were alone, but there was

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<v Speaker 4>a third man on this knoll, a man who wore

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<v Speaker 4>a medieval style executioner's hood, carried a knife and gun

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<v Speaker 4>and intended to use.

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<v Speaker 7>Them whenever redrive here.

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<v Speaker 16>I'm like, Wow, he drove the same exact way just

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<v Speaker 16>to get here and do that.

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<v Speaker 3>It is crazy to think about.

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<v Speaker 7>This guy is a pathological, a psycho.

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<v Speaker 5>Killer found this young girl in on the shoreland here.

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<v Speaker 5>I've had eleven years patrol on Miss Lake and I've

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<v Speaker 5>seen a lot of people cut up by boat accidents

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<v Speaker 5>and smaticism. One of the worst things I ever witnessed.

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<v Speaker 2>Monster the Zodiac Killer is a fifteen episode podcast produced

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