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Speaker 1: Were with Nick Eatman, David Hellman, and bar Garcia and
Speaker 1: Derek Eagleton. Twenty seven, two thousand twenty, Season sixteen, Episode eleven.
Speaker 1: Welcome to another edition of The Break. We're live from
Speaker 1: the Virgil s WBC Mortgage Studios in our homes. I
Speaker 1: got my normal crew here, NICKI, minniebl Garcia, Dave Hellman,
Speaker 1: and we got a special us today one Todd Archer,
Speaker 1: ESPN staff rider who's covered to Cowboys since two thousand
Speaker 1: and three, long time friend of the program. And Todd,
Speaker 1: we appreciate you joining us today. How's everything going. Thanks
Speaker 1: for finally having me on. I really really feel special. Finally.
Speaker 1: I've asked Nick time and time again he's always shot
Speaker 1: me down to talk about that. I mean, is that
Speaker 1: like a go to line? That's what Darren Whitson said
Speaker 1: last week. A Well, everybody's blaming Yeah, everybody's blaming Nick.
Speaker 1: And of course with those of you that don't know,
Speaker 1: Todd is also the father of Dave Hellman, so he
Speaker 1: joined dad. You know Dad, Yeah, there's always disappointment in life.
Speaker 1: Very fair, let's joke right in, Todd Um. I just
Speaker 1: want to start by getting your general thoughts on where
Speaker 1: the Cowboys stand now after most of the free agency
Speaker 1: has been done at this point, and after what most
Speaker 1: people consider to be a pretty good draft. What do
Speaker 1: you think they stand as a team from from a
Speaker 1: personnel standpoint? Now you go back to win fran agency started,
Speaker 1: and it happens every year when the Cowboys don't do
Speaker 1: anything and it's the sky's falling. They're losing everybody Byron
Speaker 1: Jones has gone, Quinn has gone. All these guys are leaving,
Speaker 1: and bell of a sudden, you look up at the
Speaker 1: end of them and you're like, huh, this wasn't bad.
Speaker 1: And they were pretty good financially with these deals GERYLD McCoy,
Speaker 1: don Terry poh, Clinton Dix, the corners that they brought in,
Speaker 1: the guys that they kept, Amari Cooper, and obviously dak
Speaker 1: on the franchise tag. So then you add in the draft.
Speaker 1: So I look at the Cowboys and I say there's
Speaker 1: still a team or the team to beat in the
Speaker 1: NFC East. I'll let Philly hold the team to beat
Speaker 1: because they won it last year. But I don't think
Speaker 1: there's any surprise that people would say it's the Eagles
Speaker 1: and the Cowboys and the other two teams in the division.
Speaker 1: And if you're getting the tournament as Parcels like to say,
Speaker 1: it's anybody's game. And you add a new coach with
Speaker 1: Mike McCarthy, a guy who had skins in the wall,
Speaker 1: this has been one of the better Cowboys offseasons in
Speaker 1: my view. It's interesting you mentioned Dak Prescott, and one
Speaker 1: of the reasons we wanted to have you on is
Speaker 1: because I know you've been locked in on that whole
Speaker 1: thing going on. Tell us right now, what's the current
Speaker 1: status as you know it with regards to the contract
Speaker 1: negotiations between the Cowboys and Decks people. The current status
Speaker 1: is that Dak is closer to an extension that Hellman
Speaker 1: is ever going to be to sign an extension with y'all.
Speaker 1: It's far greater money, but that's true, but there's really
Speaker 1: not a hike of a lot going on right now.
Speaker 1: And the longer that it's and that kind of surprises me.
Speaker 1: I thought after the draft they would have gotten after
Speaker 1: this just because look where we are right now. We're
Speaker 1: all at home, we're not at an Ota, and there's
Speaker 1: nothing going on on the field. I thought that they
Speaker 1: might have been a little more proactive and trying to
Speaker 1: get this thing done before the July fifteenth deadline. But
Speaker 1: I think right now, if you had to ask me,
Speaker 1: this is getting down to what it was with Dez
Speaker 1: Bryant in twenty fifteen. It's going to come down to
Speaker 1: that three o'clock to deadline on je fifteenth. Ultimately, I
Speaker 1: think he signs a contract. But there's really not been
Speaker 1: a lot of back and forth between these guys honestly
Speaker 1: since the end of March, and people will shake their
Speaker 1: head and say, well, why are the Cowboys doing it
Speaker 1: this way? Well, there's two sides on this thing too
Speaker 1: that people don't seem to want to acknowledge as to
Speaker 1: why a deal hasn't done yet. Sod you wrote that
Speaker 1: article maybe last week, and what was one of the
Speaker 1: main reasons why you decided to do that. Did you
Speaker 1: maybe get new information or did we just tired of
Speaker 1: hearing some of the noise that was you know, kind
Speaker 1: of the false narrative that was going on around this deal. Yeah,
Speaker 1: mainly the false narrative stuff and just everything that's been created,
Speaker 1: the drama around it, And I think some of it
Speaker 1: is a result of not having any sports on TV.
Speaker 1: There's no baseball, there's no basketball playoffs, there's no hockey playoffs.
Speaker 1: So you know, back in the Cowboys was always going
Speaker 1: to generate headlines. But now it's just kind of become
Speaker 1: sublime of Dak's awful, DA's great dad, can't throw a pass,
Speaker 1: he's one of the most accurate guys in the game.
Speaker 1: The Cowboys waited too long to sign him, the Cowboys
Speaker 1: want him to take less, all these things. It just
Speaker 1: kind of got me to say, all right, enough, already,
Speaker 1: what's out there that we know of that's true, and
Speaker 1: what we know that's out there that's not true, And
Speaker 1: that's where the genesis of the idea came from, to
Speaker 1: kind of put everything into perspective. I do have a
Speaker 1: question for you, Todd. It has nothing to do with Dak.
Speaker 1: I know that you have a good relationship with Jason Wooten. Obviously,
Speaker 1: after we heard that he wasn't coming back to the Cowboys,
Speaker 1: we haven't necessarily gotten a chance to talk to him
Speaker 1: or hear much from him his side of the story
Speaker 1: of kind of how things went down. I wanted to
Speaker 1: know if you have had any conversations with him and
Speaker 1: kind of get his side of things and how everything
Speaker 1: went with Mike macarthy coming in, and how those conversations
Speaker 1: went between both parties. I've talked to him only a
Speaker 1: little bit. I think with this pandemic, he's really not
Speaker 1: been in town all of that much, even if he's
Speaker 1: selling his nice house at the moment, but not moving
Speaker 1: to Vegas. He's just moving up the street basically from
Speaker 1: where he lives. But I think at the end of
Speaker 1: the year, the way he was talking to us, and
Speaker 1: you guys remember what he was like in the locker room,
Speaker 1: it seemed to think he would be on the coaching
Speaker 1: staff in some role in twenty twenty, and then when
Speaker 1: Mike McCarthy came in, things kind of changed, and then
Speaker 1: he thought about playing again, And I don't know if
Speaker 1: he was in Mike McCarthy's plans to want to continue
Speaker 1: down this road again and play another season. So that's
Speaker 1: and you think of McCarthy. He's had guys like Donald
Speaker 1: Driver at the end of his time in Green Bay.
Speaker 1: Brett Favre obviously in Green Bay as well, so he
Speaker 1: probably just said, you know what, not totally like what
Speaker 1: it was when Parcels and Emmett had their on a
Speaker 1: deal back when Bill came in and oh three, but
Speaker 1: similar to that, and Jason in his mind said, Okay, well,
Speaker 1: I want to go play somewhere else and let's see
Speaker 1: what it's like. And the Raiders became a viable option.
Speaker 1: And I know he's excited to work with John Bruden
Speaker 1: and see what that offense is like after being in
Speaker 1: basically the same system since two thousand and seven. But
Speaker 1: I'm surprised that he's not coaching on the Cowboys. I
Speaker 1: thought Jerry might have put his foot or put his
Speaker 1: hand up and say no, Mike, he's gonna be on
Speaker 1: your staff. But he didn't. And then, you know, kudos
Speaker 1: for Jerry for not doing what everybody thinks he does
Speaker 1: and just Bigfoot and everybody in these situations. All right, Coops,
Speaker 1: I got a two power for you. And obviously it's
Speaker 1: gonna be about Dak because we've talked more about that
Speaker 1: over the last three years than anything. Number One, I
Speaker 1: agree with you I think this is going to come
Speaker 1: down to July fifteenth. I don't see any reason why
Speaker 1: would get done ahead of time at this point. If
Speaker 1: that is to happen, if Dad does getna deal before
Speaker 1: the deadline, which of the two sides is going to
Speaker 1: have to conceive more to get it done and then
Speaker 1: the other one? Why is this in your opinion, at
Speaker 1: least over your years covering the team, Why is this
Speaker 1: a consistent theme with the Cowboys? And it is typically
Speaker 1: a deadline day sort of situation? You know, I don't
Speaker 1: on the last part. I don't know if that specific
Speaker 1: to the Cowboys necessarily that deadlines make deals. There's a
Speaker 1: lot of people, a lot of teams that have that,
Speaker 1: but we're obviously more in tune with the Cowboys. Now
Speaker 1: you can say, well, Carson Wentz got his deal done
Speaker 1: and Jared Goff then got his deal done. But I
Speaker 1: just view this as partially betting on himself to the
Speaker 1: very end and arguably winning. I mean, he was staring
Speaker 1: last year on the season opener at thirty three million
Speaker 1: dollars a year and about ninety ninety five million dollars
Speaker 1: guaranteed to him, and he said, no, I'm going to
Speaker 1: play on two million bucks? Raise your hand if any
Speaker 1: of us would have done that, heck no, but good
Speaker 1: to him, and he's done it, and now he's gonna
Speaker 1: you know, look, what is the ultimate price that it's
Speaker 1: gonna get up to. I mean from what we've been told,
Speaker 1: it's thirty four and a half million a year, and
Speaker 1: his and his guarantee is upward on par with what
Speaker 1: Jared Goff got from the Rams about one hundred and
Speaker 1: ten million. So did that did that buy him an
Speaker 1: extra couple what would that be? None? If fifteen million bucks?
Speaker 1: You know over a deal? Maybe maybe it has. But
Speaker 1: I think that the ultimate sticking point is going to
Speaker 1: be on the years of this thing. Is it five?
Speaker 1: Is it four? And who's going to cave? I mean
Speaker 1: history tells you it's the cowboys, because they seemed to
Speaker 1: cave a little bit on z. It seemed to cave
Speaker 1: a little bit on DeMarcus Lawrence. But I go back
Speaker 1: to if both sides want to get this deal done,
Speaker 1: just sit down and get it done. And I think
Speaker 1: Dak's greatest trade is awareness. I've told you guys that
Speaker 1: many times. And I think even if he were to
Speaker 1: take thirty five point one million and become the highest
Speaker 1: paid quarterback. Theory, people would say, man, what a great guy.
Speaker 1: Each other less to stay with the Cowboys, and that
Speaker 1: would earn him so much credit because as soon as
Speaker 1: he signs his contract, he's no longer this fourth round
Speaker 1: pick that everybody enjoyed. What a great find. It's now
Speaker 1: all right, man, you better win some super Bowls. The
Speaker 1: same thing happened in Romo after you got his big
Speaker 1: deal in two thousand and seven. You mentioned that the
Speaker 1: four or five years it could get out one one
Speaker 1: or the other. Tell the fans out there why that's
Speaker 1: so important, Why four years would presumably be so important
Speaker 1: to Dak and why five years would be so important
Speaker 1: to the Cowboys, Because most fans probably look at it say, okay, whatever,
Speaker 1: four or five doesn't matter, But why is that so
Speaker 1: important to each too? I guess string this thing out
Speaker 1: to try to get the number of years that they want. Yeah,
Speaker 1: while on Dak's end of it is four years. The
Speaker 1: TV deals are all starting to come up, and if
Speaker 1: we if these things are gonna be as pricey as
Speaker 1: we think they're gonna be. Although the pandemic might change
Speaker 1: the narrative a little bit, maybe on what they could be.
Speaker 1: You want to get out of free agency as soon
Speaker 1: as possible, So a four year deal, sure, I mean
Speaker 1: initially they were looking at three, but they've come to four.
Speaker 1: The Cowboys have been a six year deal and they've
Speaker 1: come to five. From the Cowboys perspective, why you won
Speaker 1: five is helps with the salary cap in terms of
Speaker 1: lowering the number, especially in the first year, spreading out
Speaker 1: that bonus through the years, and you don't want to
Speaker 1: start going through this again in after two years. Right,
Speaker 1: if it's four years, we're going to say, when do
Speaker 1: they start looking at DAC again? When do they start
Speaker 1: looking at his contract? The more that you can push
Speaker 1: this thing out and have some certainty at the position
Speaker 1: that he's going to be there, that's why the Cowboys
Speaker 1: won five. But Dak wants to four. I don't want
Speaker 1: to even say that his agent wants the four to
Speaker 1: have the ability to go out there and cash in again.
Speaker 1: I will say, we all remember Romo signed his deal
Speaker 1: in twenty thirteen. I think he was thirty three or
Speaker 1: four years old. Well, DA's only gonna be what thirty
Speaker 1: one at the end of a five year deal, thirty
Speaker 1: one thirty two? The cowboys are shown if you play well,
Speaker 1: they're gonna pay you, regardless of how old you are.
Speaker 1: Let's dive into that article. Nick mentioned that article a
Speaker 1: little earlier that you wrote, and I thought it was
Speaker 1: an interesting article. It was called Dispelling the Theories, and
Speaker 1: there were a number of theories that you kind of
Speaker 1: went through there talking about different things that people are
Speaker 1: saying just out in the basically the Twitter sphere where
Speaker 1: it can be a gut or at times. But you
Speaker 1: know what some of the things that people were talking
Speaker 1: about as too, you know, things around the dak contract.
Speaker 1: So I'm gonna throw a few of them out to you,
Speaker 1: and I want you to explain to me the basis
Speaker 1: for the theory and then your verdict on how you
Speaker 1: see it, whether it's important, whether it's true, how much
Speaker 1: he really factors in. Let's start up the first one.
Speaker 1: You said Dallas waited too long to try to sign Prescott.
Speaker 1: I don't think that's true, because as soon as they
Speaker 1: were able to sign him after his third year, they tried.
Speaker 1: They were in that offseason of twenty nineteen, the first
Speaker 1: time that can come at him, and they tried to
Speaker 1: get a deal done, and again we got to September
Speaker 1: where Jerry kind of hinted, we're close on this thing.
Speaker 1: Then we found out later that, okay, here were the numbers,
Speaker 1: and this is It seemed close at the time. So
Speaker 1: you know, as Steven Jones like to say, two sides,
Speaker 1: you can only make a deal when both sides want
Speaker 1: to make a deal. I think the Cowboys thought they
Speaker 1: were getting to that point in last September, but they didn't.
Speaker 1: So the fact that the Cowboys waited too long when
Speaker 1: they made him an offer that was greater than Wentz
Speaker 1: an average per year, and you can argue that their
Speaker 1: guarantee is greater than what Wentz and Golf got based
Speaker 1: on the money those guys are already guaranteed as the
Speaker 1: top two picks, that they put a fair offer on
Speaker 1: the table. I think they've been fair. Maybe they could
Speaker 1: have started a little higher to get the process rolling
Speaker 1: a little bit, but I don't. You can't say they
Speaker 1: waited too long when they made him an offer that
Speaker 1: would have made him the fourth highest paid quarterback in
Speaker 1: the game. The second Cowboys want Prescott to settle for less.
Speaker 1: Kind of again, the numbers we threw around a second ago,
Speaker 1: thirty four and a half million Bucks. That's the number
Speaker 1: two quarterback in the league Russells and makes thirty five
Speaker 1: hundred and ten million guaranteed, makes him the highest, tied
Speaker 1: for the highest with GoF So if they want him
Speaker 1: to settle for less, they're not doing a good job
Speaker 1: of actually having him settle for less when you've offered
Speaker 1: the number one in terms of average or number two
Speaker 1: in average per year, and number one in potential guarantee.
Speaker 1: So now we don't know the structures of all these
Speaker 1: things and the payouts and the fermals and when the
Speaker 1: money becomes fully guaranteed and all that stuff. So I'm
Speaker 1: sure there's other things that we don't know, but just
Speaker 1: on the base of it, when you've offered the guy
Speaker 1: who's won one playoff game that kind of contract, you're
Speaker 1: not you're not asking him to take less. She just
Speaker 1: not asked him. Don't take everything. In the final Prescott
Speaker 1: should realize how much he makes off the field, and
Speaker 1: he does, but that's not his fault, and the Cowboys
Speaker 1: shouldn't use that in my view, as a way to
Speaker 1: get him to settle for less. You know, and I'm
Speaker 1: not one of these guys to say, well, the Cowboys
Speaker 1: need to make up for because for it because he
Speaker 1: was a fourth round pick. Well, no, Dak should have
Speaker 1: played better at Mississippi State and then he wouldn't have
Speaker 1: been a fourth round pick. So I mean, I don't
Speaker 1: want to be come across as like total team guy
Speaker 1: here and saying this is what Dak should have done.
Speaker 1: But I don't think the Cowboys can look and say, look, man,
Speaker 1: you're making all this money from Oi Ghost and Frido
Speaker 1: Lay and Sleep Number and Adidas and all this stuff.
Speaker 1: You know you're still said and you're getting this because
Speaker 1: you come from the Cowboys. You know there's not if
Speaker 1: you're in Buffalo, you're not going to get these deals.
Speaker 1: That's not Dak's fault. It's a little bit like the
Speaker 1: DeMarcus Lawrence answer about it's not his job to worry
Speaker 1: about how to make this work in the cap. That's
Speaker 1: Stephen Jones Dup. Same kind of thing with Dak and
Speaker 1: this thing. I don't think the Cowboys can really use
Speaker 1: that necessarily to say this is an instance where you
Speaker 1: know you should take less because you make more off
Speaker 1: the field. So here's the final big question for your
Speaker 1: top before he lets you go. Does this still get
Speaker 1: done before July fifteenth, And if not, do you think
Speaker 1: the sides are okay with the idea of boats. It's
Speaker 1: okay with the idea of letting Dak play this year
Speaker 1: on the cat on the tag. So this is where
Speaker 1: I'm gonna play both sides of it right now and
Speaker 1: not give you a really good answer right now. At
Speaker 1: eleven fifteen on the West today, the twenty seventh, I
Speaker 1: say he plays on the tag. Now, if we get
Speaker 1: to July fourteenth, I might be thinking something differently because
Speaker 1: there's just not been this movement and what's going to
Speaker 1: change between now in July fourteen fifteenth That is going
Speaker 1: to swing this thing unless Dak comes in and says
Speaker 1: I want X and I want why, and then the
Speaker 1: Cowboys will figure that out. That's what they've done with
Speaker 1: DeMarcus and Zach Martin and all these guys. But that's
Speaker 1: not been the case yet with Dak so playing the
Speaker 1: year on the tag. If he plays the year on
Speaker 1: the tag, I wrote this when they played the Vikings.
Speaker 1: If they go this route, you're basically starting the divorce
Speaker 1: process with the quarterback. Kirk Cousins is the most recent
Speaker 1: example of that. He was tagged now Washington never loved
Speaker 1: him the way the Cowboys love him. But you're starting
Speaker 1: that process of it's getting unruly the cap number in
Speaker 1: that third year, which will be fifty four million bucks
Speaker 1: to be in a situation where you can continue down
Speaker 1: this road. So that's the worry. The Cowboys have that,
Speaker 1: all right, Hey, Dak played for two million bucks las year,
Speaker 1: Why would' he play for thirty one this year? And now, okay,
Speaker 1: it'll be thirty eight next year to tag him again,
Speaker 1: Dak has to play well to earn that. So their
Speaker 1: arguments on both sides why the tag is good and
Speaker 1: why the tag is bad? And you know, I haven't
Speaker 1: tild July fifteen to figure it out, unfortunately. I think
Speaker 1: to'll wait till the July twelfth starting. That's typically the
Speaker 1: way things have done that. Deadlines do make deals around
Speaker 1: here for some reason. All right, we appreciate you joining us, Todd.
Speaker 1: We appreciate you taking us some time with us. We're
Speaker 1: gonna take our first break when we come back. We're
Speaker 1: gonna die into a little more conversation around Dak Prescott.
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Speaker 1: finished interview with Todd Archer VSPN got our normal clue
Speaker 1: Nick Amber and Dave. He talked a lot about Dak
Speaker 1: and I, you know, I want to get into this
Speaker 1: conversation with you guys, we'll get into some of those
Speaker 1: rumors that are out that are out there and kind
Speaker 1: of how you guys feel about those. But before we do,
Speaker 1: the first question I have for you guys is what
Speaker 1: is the best thing that Dak does. Let's start with you, Dave.
Speaker 1: The best thing Dac I mean, right off the bat,
Speaker 1: and it sounds, I don't know, maybe counterintuitive. I mean,
Speaker 1: his intangibles, to me are probably the absolute best thing
Speaker 1: that he does. Whether you talk about him being a
Speaker 1: rallying point, a natural leader, a charismatic and you know,
Speaker 1: very influential member of that locker room, how that translates
Speaker 1: to the field. You know, he's unflappable, He's very poised,
Speaker 1: calm delivers and clutch moments. Spare me the commentary about
Speaker 1: his record against winning teams last year. I know that
Speaker 1: doesn't change the fact that he is a very poised
Speaker 1: and clutch quarterback. You can go back to the playoff
Speaker 1: game against the Seahawks and yeah, and it's not. I mean,
Speaker 1: the guy's obviously got great on fieldability. But that's probably
Speaker 1: the starting point with me, is he's just he's got
Speaker 1: the intangibles of a franchise quarterbacker. I mean, honestly, there's
Speaker 1: not much more that I can add to that. I
Speaker 1: agree with everything that they've said. I mean also the
Speaker 1: respect that he gets from his teammates. I have not
Speaker 1: heard anyone in the locker room ever speak bad about him,
Speaker 1: or say anything negative or blame anything on him, So
Speaker 1: I think that that goes a long way. One of
Speaker 1: the things that I have trouble with is, yes, he's
Speaker 1: one of those guys that reacts well under pressure, but
Speaker 1: at the same time, a lot of those times each
Speaker 1: it's too late. It happens too late in the game,
Speaker 1: and then you're left going home without a win. So
Speaker 1: he has a lot of great things. I do think
Speaker 1: he has a lot of potential and can eventually give
Speaker 1: you what every you know, everything that the fans are
Speaker 1: asking for it as far as winning games, but only
Speaker 1: time will tell as far as that, but as far
Speaker 1: as in general ability, I do think he has everything
Speaker 1: to become that kind of quarterback in the future. Nick.
Speaker 1: I think the thing that he does the best is just,
Speaker 1: you know, like they said that, the intangible figuring out
Speaker 1: things on in the middle of the play, knowing when
Speaker 1: to run, knowing how to use his strength, you know
Speaker 1: he does. He's not the most polished quarterback in terms
Speaker 1: of mechanics, but he figures out a way to get
Speaker 1: it done when the lights come on. Now, I think
Speaker 1: you can argue all day about how clutch he is
Speaker 1: and and you know where the you know, that poise
Speaker 1: you know comes comes through in the fourth quarter. I
Speaker 1: don't think last year was a good example of that,
Speaker 1: but you know, he's a guy. At the bottom line,
Speaker 1: do you want him on your team at the end
Speaker 1: of the game or not? And I think the Cowboys do.
Speaker 1: I think most Cowboys fans would say that they do.
Speaker 1: M Last year just wasn't a great year for that,
Speaker 1: But that doesn't mean he's not good enough to get
Speaker 1: the job done. What's the area that he needs to
Speaker 1: improve most. Let's start with you him one of the
Speaker 1: things that bothers me and I don't know. I don't
Speaker 1: know how to argue this very well because it can
Speaker 1: be applied to a lot of other quarterbacks around the leagues,
Speaker 1: but there are certain quarterbacks that it would not apply.
Speaker 1: This wouldn't apply to that, but that to me, he's
Speaker 1: the kind of quarterback that needs guys around him in
Speaker 1: order to make things happen. For example, we've seen how
Speaker 1: Aaron Rodgers. I don't want to compare him to Aaron
Speaker 1: Rodgers any but Aaron Rodgers can make guys look good.
Speaker 1: He can put the ball where he needs to go.
Speaker 1: Dak needs guy guys that can actually be there to
Speaker 1: catch the ball, you know. I think there are too
Speaker 1: many elements that need to be working for Dak in
Speaker 1: order for the game to go his way. And that's
Speaker 1: one of the things that I really don't know if
Speaker 1: he had that kind of offensive line that he does,
Speaker 1: if he had if he didn't have Zeke and everybody
Speaker 1: else around there. We saw the trouble that he had
Speaker 1: when the Cowboys had a committee wide receiver group, you know,
Speaker 1: and things weren't necessarily clicking. I think that he wouldn't
Speaker 1: be as successful as he has been in those games
Speaker 1: that we've seen him. But in general, that's one of
Speaker 1: the things that raises questions for me, is how many
Speaker 1: people does he actually need in order for him to
Speaker 1: be successful in the game, because the area needs to improve. Actressy,
Speaker 1: I mean, he's just died down the field of accuracy,
Speaker 1: and yeah, I don't think you can come back and
Speaker 1: and and throw out stats about completion percentage. We know
Speaker 1: a lot of these are shorter passes. UM. You know
Speaker 1: that a lot of a lot of quarterbacks have UM.
Speaker 1: But but I just think it's it's just, you know,
Speaker 1: there's some throws down the field that you know, he
Speaker 1: could be better on the intermediate throws and stuff like that. Um,
Speaker 1: that's something that all quarterbacks can improve on, and and
Speaker 1: you know, including Daka as well. I mean, you mentioned
Speaker 1: Aaron Rodgers. Nobody's nobody's like Aaron Rodgers when it comes
Speaker 1: to that kind of accuracy. But I think he can get,
Speaker 1: you know, better than than some of the other quarterbacks
Speaker 1: that you know that are that are really accurate. He
Speaker 1: needs to kind of get on their level as well.
Speaker 1: I will say that on that note, last year it
Speaker 1: seemed to me, at least uh he and Gallop had
Speaker 1: connection down field that seemed to be improved over the
Speaker 1: year before that. So hopefully that signs that he's getting
Speaker 1: better in that area. I agree with he probably needs
Speaker 1: to get even better than that. Dave. Where do you
Speaker 1: think is the biggest area he needs to improved? I
Speaker 1: agree with Nick, but differently, honest, I mean, it was
Speaker 1: it was last week NFL dot Com came out and said,
Speaker 1: you know, the guy, based on advanced metrics, the guy's
Speaker 1: the most accurate deep ball passer in the league. And
Speaker 1: I'm not worried about that. The thing I look at,
Speaker 1: Dak's gotta make He's got to make the routine look better.
Speaker 1: I think about, you know, the Saints game. They lose
Speaker 1: twelve to ten. He misses Randall Cobb in the end
Speaker 1: zone in the first quarter on a ball that could
Speaker 1: have been a touchdown pre routine like fifteen eighteen yard throw.
Speaker 1: Fourth quarter, missus Cobb again on a crossing route that's
Speaker 1: behind him. Cobb absolutely should have caught the ball, but
Speaker 1: it still wasn't in front of him. Um, it wasn't
Speaker 1: as well played as it could have been. He's much
Speaker 1: more accurate than he gets credit for. But that can
Speaker 1: be the difference between winning and losing. Is that placement.
Speaker 1: And I do feel like, you know, sometimes those routine
Speaker 1: passes aren't as easily catchable as they should be. That
Speaker 1: doesn't mean his receivers should drop him, but he could
Speaker 1: help his receivers out a little bit more him that.
Speaker 1: I feel like that's been a thing for him for
Speaker 1: most of his career. He just needs to be more
Speaker 1: consistent with just the obvious easy plays. Yeah, it's interesting
Speaker 1: because it seems to me like in a lot of
Speaker 1: those instances, it goes game by game. There's some games
Speaker 1: I walk away from and I'm like, Mandak really didn't
Speaker 1: play that well. There's some quarters I walk away from, like, man,
Speaker 1: dad didn't have a great quarter, And then there are
Speaker 1: other ones where he's just on fire and hitting all
Speaker 1: of his targets where he needs to hit him. So
Speaker 1: I agree with you, consistency is probably more the issues,
Speaker 1: not that he can't do it, it's that canny do
Speaker 1: it consistently enough. Right, Yeah, he can definitely do it.
Speaker 1: There's loads of evidence that he can. But right it's
Speaker 1: just you know, you gotta do it on third and
Speaker 1: five and the fourth the same way that you do
Speaker 1: it in the first. Yeah. All right, So let's talk
Speaker 1: a little bit about some of these theories that are
Speaker 1: out there. And you guys know you're on Twitter, you
Speaker 1: see all the different stuff that people are talking about
Speaker 1: right now with regards to Dak Prescott. I'm gonna throw
Speaker 1: out a theory and then I want each you guys
Speaker 1: to tell me whether you agree or disagree with it,
Speaker 1: and first theory was that Dallas waited too long to
Speaker 1: sign Dak Prescott. Let's start with Dave Oh. I go
Speaker 1: back and forth about this a lot, because I agree
Speaker 1: with what Todd said in the first segment, like it
Speaker 1: takes two to tango, and if if Dak and his
Speaker 1: people just aren't willing to play ball, then there's only
Speaker 1: so much that the Cowboys can do. And Todd did
Speaker 1: a great job of not really answering the second part
Speaker 1: of my question, which is like, at the same time,
Speaker 1: the Eagles managed to get this done way ahead of
Speaker 1: any kind of deadline. The Rams did it with goth
Speaker 1: The Seahawks did it with Russ, you know, well before
Speaker 1: his deal expired. I know, you know, Russ kind of
Speaker 1: put a deadline on, you know, OTAs, but he didn't
Speaker 1: threaten to hold out or anything like that. They still
Speaker 1: managed to get a deal done. I feel like the
Speaker 1: vast majority of quarterback contracts come in pretty far ahead
Speaker 1: of schedule, and it hasn't been the case with the Cowboys.
Speaker 1: I'm not saying that they need to just offer him
Speaker 1: the world and make him the first forty million dollars quarterback,
Speaker 1: but nobody else seems to have the same kind of
Speaker 1: problem with this. So you know, I'm not trying to
Speaker 1: fault the Cowboys too much, but it is curious to
Speaker 1: me that they're the one team that can't get this
Speaker 1: done ahead of time. Don't you have to note, at
Speaker 1: least from that stampoint that in those instances the Cowboy
Speaker 1: offered the Cowboys offerer deal is very comparable to what
Speaker 1: Wentz ended up signing, very comparable to what Golf ended
Speaker 1: up signing, probably a little better in some respects according
Speaker 1: to some of the reports. So I mean, what else
Speaker 1: can they do other than kind of offer a deal
Speaker 1: that seems to be on par with his peers, or
Speaker 1: if it's because cough Wins were first round picks and
Speaker 1: so they already had some guaranteed money in the bank,
Speaker 1: which that seems counterintuitive because you would think Dak would
Speaker 1: jump at a the deal because he doesn't have any
Speaker 1: of that type of money. But maybe the fact that
Speaker 1: he's looking for his first big payday him and his
Speaker 1: agents want to make sure it's as good as possible.
Speaker 1: I don't know, but it's it's kind of frustrating that
Speaker 1: these other teams haven't had this issue. What do you
Speaker 1: think about that idea that Alice waited too long to
Speaker 1: sign that. I don't think so. I I you know,
Speaker 1: I agree with what you said and what Todd had said.
Speaker 1: I mean, they did, you know, UM offer a deal,
Speaker 1: and you know, Dad decided that he wanted to play
Speaker 1: on the two million, and I'm I'm sitting here looking
Speaker 1: at the math and I just don't understand that. I
Speaker 1: don't understand why he would want to do that. Um,
Speaker 1: I'm looking at a deal if he if he did
Speaker 1: instead of thirty five a year, if he did forty
Speaker 1: million dollars a year. Uh, he would have taken that, obviously,
Speaker 1: because there's been a lot of rumors on that that
Speaker 1: would have been a five year deal. Forty that's two
Speaker 1: hundred millions. You know, at thirty five that's one hundred
Speaker 1: and seventy five millions. What's what's I still don't understand
Speaker 1: why you would lose to why you would play for
Speaker 1: two million dollars, I don't I don't get that, And
Speaker 1: how you're gonna make up that money. You're never gonna
Speaker 1: make up that money. Even if you did a forty
Speaker 1: million dollars deal, you wouldn't make up that money. So
Speaker 1: I don't understand his line of thinking there. I personally
Speaker 1: think he's getting bad advice. No, I don't. I don't
Speaker 1: think the Cowboys waited too long. I think they're sticking
Speaker 1: to their guns on what they believe. He's worse amber
Speaker 1: I think it's a little bit of both. And honestly,
Speaker 1: maybe my memory is completely serving me wrong here, but
Speaker 1: I feel like many many times during training camp that
Speaker 1: we would be talking to Stephen Jones and talk about
Speaker 1: these dark negotiations. Many times I feel like I would hear, oh, well,
Speaker 1: we haven't really talked yet. We haven't really talked yet,
Speaker 1: And I remember I don't again, please correct me if
Speaker 1: I'm completely wrong, but I remember when every time I
Speaker 1: would hear that, I'm like, what are you waiting for? Like,
Speaker 1: you know you can easily talk. I don't know exactly
Speaker 1: how how long it takes for these kind of conversations
Speaker 1: or the process of getting these conversations started, but I
Speaker 1: feel like maybe in those instances I would have liked
Speaker 1: to hear at different ins or maybe it's like, Okay,
Speaker 1: yes we started talking, but nothing has come from it yet,
Speaker 1: or something like that that would made me feel like, yes,
Speaker 1: the Cowboys did start early on and did not drag
Speaker 1: this out in way too long. I do get that
Speaker 1: it takes both sides, but from what I remember, I
Speaker 1: feel like maybe the Cowboys could have started a little earlier.
Speaker 1: The one thing I will say, and this I think
Speaker 1: is just kind of a typical negotiating tactic, is when
Speaker 1: you got two parties that have already kind of given
Speaker 1: their initial ideas on what they think the contracts should
Speaker 1: be or what they think should the deals should be,
Speaker 1: it's almost a stalemate from the standpoint that the person
Speaker 1: that initiates contact first after that is the one that's
Speaker 1: more motivated to negotiate a little bit more, to give
Speaker 1: a little bit more, and you put yourself in a
Speaker 1: little worse negotiating position, right. That's just that's a typical
Speaker 1: thing that happens in negotiations. And I think that's one
Speaker 1: of the reasons why the Cowboys always say, you know,
Speaker 1: you know, deadlines make deals, is because in a lot
Speaker 1: of instances, once you get close to a deadline, then
Speaker 1: that kind of goes out in the window for both parties.
Speaker 1: They're like, look the deadlines tomorrow, Let's just see if
Speaker 1: there's something we can figure out. And you don't really
Speaker 1: give up any of that negotiating leverage by doing that,
Speaker 1: And so I think in a lot of instances, the
Speaker 1: Cowboys are just trying to maintain as much leverage as
Speaker 1: they can in the negotiation. So is the other side,
Speaker 1: and so there really isn't any any discussion. They get
Speaker 1: to this stellmate and then nothing happens. They just sit
Speaker 1: there and both sides weight until one or the other
Speaker 1: decides they want to reinitiate contact and start negotiating harder.
Speaker 1: So again, I still think at the end of the day,
Speaker 1: they probably started at the right time. They didn't have
Speaker 1: the offer that Dac and his people wanted, and that's
Speaker 1: one of the reasons why they're still guests in this situation.
Speaker 1: Let's go to the next theory. They said Cowboys want
Speaker 1: Prescott to settle for less. Let's start with you, Nick,
Speaker 1: You agree with that or disagree? No, But no, I
Speaker 1: don't think they want him to settle for less, don't.
Speaker 1: I don't under understand what that means. Less than what
Speaker 1: less than? I mean they don't think he should be
Speaker 1: the highest paid quarterback in the league. Neither do I,
Speaker 1: So I don't. I don't think they should settle for less.
Speaker 1: I think what they're offering him is pretty fair. It
Speaker 1: sounds like they're offering him top five money, maybe number
Speaker 1: two overall. Why would that be less if that's what
Speaker 1: you're asking unless you are you asking about the off
Speaker 1: the field stuff. Are you saying that they want him
Speaker 1: to set up for Like, no, don't think the amount
Speaker 1: of the contract. And I guess even in this instance,
Speaker 1: you can factor in the number of years. If they're
Speaker 1: asking him to go to five years, where he's asking
Speaker 1: for four years, knowing that the amount of money that
Speaker 1: quarterbacks may make in that fifth year. If TV contracts
Speaker 1: end up being what some expect him to be, then
Speaker 1: he may be giving up a substantial amount of money
Speaker 1: in that fifth year of his deal. Like I said before,
Speaker 1: he's fine giving up money. He's already given up a
Speaker 1: lot of money last year. You know, he's trying to
Speaker 1: bet on himself. I don't think, I really don't. I
Speaker 1: don't think the Cowboys are asking him to settle for
Speaker 1: left um. It's weird how they take quarterbacks. If you
Speaker 1: rank all the quarterbacks in the league just just based
Speaker 1: off ability, even on this show, I don't think is
Speaker 1: Zak is he in the top ten? I think I
Speaker 1: think he's that's back. So he's like he's eight nine
Speaker 1: and ten. I mean, quarterbacks you would want on your
Speaker 1: football team. I think he's six seven, eight nine, you know,
Speaker 1: he's in that range. But they're offering him number two money.
Speaker 1: So no, I don't think they're asking him for less, Okay, Amber, No,
Speaker 1: I think yeah. I think they're just asking for a
Speaker 1: fair prize. You know. I think that the Cowboys they're
Speaker 1: not trying to be like, oh, we're the upper hand
Speaker 1: here and we are the Cowboys. You know. That's initially
Speaker 1: maybe how I started seeing things a little bit, because
Speaker 1: when you talk about UM all these um sponsorships that
Speaker 1: come along just from being part of the Dallas Cowboys, Yeah,
Speaker 1: that plays into the whole thing. But like Todd was
Speaker 1: saying earlier, you can't really use that as leverage because
Speaker 1: you can't guarantee that kind of money either. But I
Speaker 1: think the Cowboys are just asking for him to settle
Speaker 1: for something that's fair, you know. And I'm too, I
Speaker 1: get on both sides, like from going completely angry to
Speaker 1: then being calm, because on one hind, I'm like, you know, what,
Speaker 1: if you think you're this kind of quarterback, then freaking
Speaker 1: go play somewhere else and show it over there with
Speaker 1: some other people with that kind of money of somebody
Speaker 1: that's willing to pay all that money for you. But
Speaker 1: then I don't know. I just think that I'm on
Speaker 1: the cowboys side on this one right now. That should
Speaker 1: get his money. But he needs to like chill out
Speaker 1: a little bit and be fair, Just be fair. Let
Speaker 1: me just be clear. I am not an agree with
Speaker 1: you that you let him go and play somewhere else.
Speaker 1: I'm not ready to go back. That's That's what I
Speaker 1: get angry, you know. And then I go back to
Speaker 1: calming down. Yeah, they got a quarterback. You not let
Speaker 1: him walk. You need to figure this out because I'm
Speaker 1: not wanting to go back to the days of looking
Speaker 1: for a quarterback, Dave, what are your thought? Tom? By
Speaker 1: the very nature of the conversation, they are asking him
Speaker 1: to take less money. That is what's happening. And I'm
Speaker 1: not here to convince you that he's worth it. Your
Speaker 1: opinion doesn't matter to me. We're all going to have
Speaker 1: different ones and that's fine. But they're asking him to
Speaker 1: take less money because this is how quarterbacks markets work.
Speaker 1: Derek carr Kirk cousins, Jimmy Garoppolo, all got to the
Speaker 1: top of the market, all had done significantly less than
Speaker 1: Dak Prescott when they got that money. Jimmy Garoppolo got
Speaker 1: it off the strength of eight starts. They were asking
Speaker 1: him to take less money. Quarterbacks set the market when
Speaker 1: they get paid. That's what's happened for a decade, actually
Speaker 1: more than a decade. And if they don't want to
Speaker 1: pay it, that's fine. If they don't want to do that,
Speaker 1: that's they're prerogative. I think it'll look like a bargain
Speaker 1: in eighteen months. I don't understand the quibbling over two
Speaker 1: million dollars per year. If he wants thirty five, freaking
Speaker 1: give him thirty five, because it'll be forty two when
Speaker 1: when Mahomes is his money in six months anyway, So again,
Speaker 1: not trying to convince anybody he's worth it, but they
Speaker 1: are asking him to take less. That's exactly what they're doing,
Speaker 1: right if you're the Cowboys Boys. Uh sorry, I was
Speaker 1: just gonna say, if the Cowboys trust him so much
Speaker 1: and they want him to be the quarterback of the
Speaker 1: future so badly, then why not just freaking paint him
Speaker 1: then and just like, okay, question because of what Day said, though,
Speaker 1: those teams messed up, Like why should you why should
Speaker 1: you just say, all right, well the Raiders pay Derek Carr.
Speaker 1: Bad move because he's not he wasn't worth it, Garoppolo,
Speaker 1: We'll see, we'll see if that if that's worth it
Speaker 1: or not. I mean, I think super Bowl And who's
Speaker 1: the other guy you mentioned, Kirk Cuz, I mean these guys,
Speaker 1: Why did the Cowboys follow their lead? I mean, I don't.
Speaker 1: I don't think you have to do that just because
Speaker 1: the other team. Just that's the quarterback market. I mean,
Speaker 1: I think they're I don't think they're asking him to
Speaker 1: take class. I really don't. I think they're asking him
Speaker 1: to take You know, he's been a pretty good quarterback,
Speaker 1: but they're going to pay him like he's one of
Speaker 1: the elite quarterbacks. He's not elague yet he hasn't proven.
Speaker 1: I mean the vikings of they made the playoffs and
Speaker 1: won a game last year, and they were in contention
Speaker 1: the year before that. They have an absolutely loaded roster
Speaker 1: regardless of Cousins money. Like Cousins deal didn't top him
Speaker 1: from signing feeling digs. I know they traded him but
Speaker 1: they gave him money first. They got Daniel Hunter making
Speaker 1: money on the other side of the ball. They got
Speaker 1: Harrison Smith. They got all these great players, and they're
Speaker 1: still paying cousins. I know, you know, the Niners kind
Speaker 1: of caught lightning in a bottle because they got such
Speaker 1: a good draft class because Garoppolo got hurt, but his
Speaker 1: money is still not getting in the way of them
Speaker 1: having an absolutely loaded roster. I don't think they made
Speaker 1: mistake at all. I mean, if if Garoppolo hits a
Speaker 1: deep ball in the fourth quarter of the Super Bowl,
Speaker 1: after the Golden Boy Pat Mahomes throws a Super Bowl,
Speaker 1: I mean it throws a Super Bowl throws an interception,
Speaker 1: then we're talking about how the Niners are this amazing
Speaker 1: team that won a Super Bowl. Jimmy g I definitely
Speaker 1: don't think they messed up by signing him. So so
Speaker 1: basically what you're saying is you're just saying that Cowboys
Speaker 1: should pay Dak higher than Russell Wilson right now now,
Speaker 1: because it's his turn and he should be a number
Speaker 1: one quarterback in the league, right I mean, that's that's
Speaker 1: what they should do, because that's what Stafford was number
Speaker 1: one at one point. If that's what it takes to
Speaker 1: get it done. Hell yeah, I guess I'll say this.
Speaker 1: It ain't oh sorry, go ahead, no goad, go ahead day,
Speaker 1: it's these are these are not like these are fine numbers.
Speaker 1: Stack will be sixth in salary by the twenty twenty
Speaker 1: one season. And I know COVID nineteen kind of throws
Speaker 1: a wrench into some of these plans. But Todd was
Speaker 1: absolutely right in the first segment. They're gonna negotiate these
Speaker 1: TV deals in the next year, and they're gonna start
Speaker 1: hitting in the next two to three years, and the
Speaker 1: money is going to absolutely roll in. So I just
Speaker 1: don't think this is going to hurt the Cowboys cap
Speaker 1: the way that some people think it would. I will
Speaker 1: say this, I do think it's one or the other.
Speaker 1: If you're not willing to if you want to go
Speaker 1: Nick's route and say no, we're not gonna set the
Speaker 1: market with our quarterback, and your quarterback is hardcore that
Speaker 1: he wants to get that kind of deal, then eventually
Speaker 1: you're gonna lose him, because, as Todd said, if you
Speaker 1: let him play on the cap on the tag this year,
Speaker 1: you may be starting the Wills and Motion of the
Speaker 1: divorce from your quarterback, because by next year that tag
Speaker 1: number is thirty eight, and by the year after that
Speaker 1: it's in the fifties, and it's not worth doing anymore. Right,
Speaker 1: So you're in a situation where if your quarterback keeps
Speaker 1: playing hardball on that, then you find yourself in a
Speaker 1: Kirk Cousins situation. And so if you're gonna play hardball
Speaker 1: back and say we're not going to set the market
Speaker 1: with you, then what's going to eventually happen is you're
Speaker 1: going to be back in the market of trying to
Speaker 1: find a quarterback. So how important is it to you
Speaker 1: to not set the market? That's I guess the biggest issue,
Speaker 1: because if you think this guy's a quarterback of the
Speaker 1: future for your team, you think he's good enough to
Speaker 1: get you to the promised Land, are you willing to
Speaker 1: go back to the well and try to find another
Speaker 1: guy that you think is equally good or better. Oh
Speaker 1: there's out there too. Is there scenario where that plays
Speaker 1: on the tag and is cheap in twenty twenty one,
Speaker 1: because we're talking about potentially paying him to set the
Speaker 1: market after an eight and eight season, So they would
Speaker 1: have to be like I mean they would. They would
Speaker 1: have to be substantially terrible for him to have a
Speaker 1: lower asking price next year. I mean, you know, the
Speaker 1: roster looked goody. I'm not saying they might not even
Speaker 1: make the playoffs, but I would be shocked if they're
Speaker 1: so bad that his asking price just comes way down.
Speaker 1: I don't think I buy that at all. Romo got
Speaker 1: his deal back in twenty thirteen after three straight or
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, two straight eight and eight seasons, So I
Speaker 1: just I don't think the price goes down no matter what.
Speaker 1: So you might as well just eat it now in
Speaker 1: my opinion. All right, let's get to the third and
Speaker 1: final theory here, gets you have something right there? No
Speaker 1: go ahead? Okay, third final theory. Prescott should realize how
Speaker 1: much he makes off the field, Nick, let's start with you.
Speaker 1: I do, and I think he does. I think he
Speaker 1: does realize that, like we said before the thirty you know,
Speaker 1: to not to not play last year on you know,
Speaker 1: to take a deal in the thirty thirty three range
Speaker 1: and to play on two million A. Yeah, I think
Speaker 1: he does. Should that fact him into his asking price?
Speaker 1: It should not factor into his asking price. But if
Speaker 1: I'm the Cowboys, I know that, and so like this
Speaker 1: is the deal, like this, this is I think the
Speaker 1: Cowboys can can use it as their own negotiation to
Speaker 1: say we can stand firm on this. Um. You you're
Speaker 1: making a lot more money here, So if you want to,
Speaker 1: if you want to go and get forty million a
Speaker 1: year to play for another team, that's fine. But at
Speaker 1: the end of the day, you won't make more money.
Speaker 1: So I think if I'm the Cowboys, I would I
Speaker 1: would definitely use it as my negotiation. I definitely would,
Speaker 1: for sure. Ember I don't think. I don't. I don't
Speaker 1: know if his agent and him have done this already
Speaker 1: or not, but if it was me, I would literally
Speaker 1: sit down with the numbers of Okay, this is what
Speaker 1: the offer is that they're giving you. Is it fair?
Speaker 1: Number one, Because at the same time, I don't care
Speaker 1: how much money you're making from sponsors At the end
Speaker 1: of the day, you need to feel like you're getting
Speaker 1: paid at fair price for what you're doing. But now,
Speaker 1: on top of that, what's the amount that you're making
Speaker 1: from sponsorships? What are the estimate when you add these
Speaker 1: two together. Looking at that you know is it and
Speaker 1: thinking okay, can you even top the total amount of
Speaker 1: money if you were playing for another team and consider
Speaker 1: and take that into consideration. I'm not saying that the
Speaker 1: Cowboys should use that as leverage, but more from Dak's party,
Speaker 1: they should be smart enough to analyze that whole thing,
Speaker 1: add up the numbers, and figure out like, Okay, maybe
Speaker 1: we do settle here, maybe we play for this prize
Speaker 1: be fair. But then at the same time, we're well
Speaker 1: aware of all the other money that's coming in from
Speaker 1: other sides. So I think that they that definitely plays
Speaker 1: a role into the whole thing. Okay, I don't have
Speaker 1: a great answer to this. I can see both sides
Speaker 1: of it. I mean, you know, obviously it's good to
Speaker 1: be the starting quarterback of the Dallas Cowboys. It pays
Speaker 1: a lot of money, a lot of visibility, And if
Speaker 1: I were Dak, I would definitely have that in the
Speaker 1: back of my mind, like do I really want to
Speaker 1: go somewhere else and not be the most visible quarterback
Speaker 1: in the sport. But at the same time, the guys,
Speaker 1: you know, every time in the NFL game goes to commercials,
Speaker 1: you're inundated with State Farm Insurance commercials with Patrick Mahomes
Speaker 1: and Aaron Rodgers. Those guys play in Kansas City and
Speaker 1: Green Bay, which are probably the two smallest markets in
Speaker 1: the NFL. Point being, they had to day, but they
Speaker 1: had to win championships to get no, they had to
Speaker 1: be good, and Mahomes won the MVP. He started getting
Speaker 1: all that. He won the MVP and started getting all
Speaker 1: that before he won the Super Bowl. You had to
Speaker 1: be the best quarterback in the league to get them, well,
Speaker 1: but Dak found Dak turned down a long term deal
Speaker 1: and bet on himself. Like Dak believes that he can
Speaker 1: pull that off. A quarterback probably does those hyper competitive
Speaker 1: I think that's all great, but I think I want
Speaker 1: to be clear about that though. I think the different series.
Speaker 1: Dak has all of these different endorsements, and he's won
Speaker 1: what one playoff game? Those guys had to be MVP
Speaker 1: of the league and or win championships to get that
Speaker 1: level of other Right, you have to be very good
Speaker 1: to pull it off outside of the Cowboys market. Agreed.
Speaker 1: I'm just saying you can do it. So I think
Speaker 1: Dak would be smart to keep that in the back
Speaker 1: of his mind. But I wouldn't settle for less because
Speaker 1: I have all of that on the table. Basically, I
Speaker 1: guess the way I look at it is, I do
Speaker 1: think it has to be factored in. I agree with them,
Speaker 1: but I think it has to be factored in on
Speaker 1: both sides, because I do think for the quarterback, he's
Speaker 1: got to look at it and say, Okay, I can
Speaker 1: take forty million dollars flat rate from another team that
Speaker 1: may be willing to pay me that if I get
Speaker 1: to that point in my career where I can make
Speaker 1: that decision. But on the flip side of that, if
Speaker 1: I'm passing up a thirty five million dollars deal, your
Speaker 1: deal with the Cowboys, and as a part of the Cowboys,
Speaker 1: I'm going to get an extra ten million dollars a
Speaker 1: year in endorsements, it's gonna put me at forty five.
Speaker 1: And being in I'm just gonna throw out Cleveland. Let's
Speaker 1: say I'm only gonna make that forty I ain't making
Speaker 1: an extra penny for endorsements. Now I'm looking at it
Speaker 1: as Dak and I'm saying, you know, maybe this is
Speaker 1: a great deal. At thirty five. No one I can
Speaker 1: get that extra ten and endorsements that I can't get
Speaker 1: necessarily an these other places. Yeah, but it wasn't Cleveland's
Speaker 1: with a grand total euro playoff wins all over the
Speaker 1: commercials for the NFL last year. I think it was
Speaker 1: progressive in every single one. A lot of that had
Speaker 1: to do with the fact he was also a Higsman
Speaker 1: Trophy win or that a high profile coming into the
Speaker 1: NFL that matters as well, right, that doesn't have that
Speaker 1: resident I think, you know, I think it just comes
Speaker 1: down to kind of what she just said, and what
Speaker 1: you're saying is that it's it's all about it's about
Speaker 1: his team figuring that out. It's just like if any
Speaker 1: any of us were looking at a job, the offer is,
Speaker 1: you know, is what it is, then you have to
Speaker 1: factor in the other things that you know about and
Speaker 1: and you know and and at the end of the
Speaker 1: day add it all up, because if you're going to
Speaker 1: leave all that on the table, and you guys are right,
Speaker 1: I mean, small market quarterbacks, can you know you can
Speaker 1: you can still you can beat market boll I mean,
Speaker 1: I think if his name was John Prescott, I think
Speaker 1: I don't think it would be the same as it's Dak.
Speaker 1: It's just easy to say. It's easy. He's got, you know,
Speaker 1: a marketable face, he's just you know, he's got he's
Speaker 1: got y. Yeah. I mean if if if Patrick Mahomes
Speaker 1: shaved his head when he first got into the league,
Speaker 1: he may not have as many deals, he wouldn't have
Speaker 1: as many deals, he wouldn't have that um that head
Speaker 1: and shoulders with. So I'm just saying it's about market
Speaker 1: and I think Dad would go to another place and
Speaker 1: he could think about it. In all of sports, every sport,
Speaker 1: you just say, Dak, you know who you're talking about.
Speaker 1: I mean, that's that says something. It's like shock, It's
Speaker 1: like Kobe. You know, you gotta be really good if
Speaker 1: your name is Michael and you and you're the you
Speaker 1: know the best, and he is. But I'm just saying,
Speaker 1: you know, I just think they all you guys can
Speaker 1: you know he can get it done. He can go
Speaker 1: to another place and make more money. But I think
Speaker 1: he's got a factor in everything that. I think he
Speaker 1: does factor it in. He knows what he's making. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I'll end the conversation, Nick with something that you told
Speaker 1: me yesterday we were talking on the phone about this.
Speaker 1: You mentioned the fact that do you factor in whether
Speaker 1: it's there's a state income tax wherever you're playing, and
Speaker 1: certainly you do because that's going to affect the amount
Speaker 1: of money you bring home. So in the same way
Speaker 1: you would factor that in, you would factor this in
Speaker 1: because it's additional revenue that you can generate based upon
Speaker 1: your performance and based upon your your job. So yeah,
Speaker 1: I think it's short suddenly it should be factored in.
Speaker 1: I don't know that it changes at the end of
Speaker 1: the day, you know, kind of what the Cowboys offer.
Speaker 1: I do think it should affect. It should affect what
Speaker 1: Dak is willing to accept, knowing what his opportunities are
Speaker 1: to make money outside of justice job as he's making
Speaker 1: this decision. Does this aging? Does this kind of aging?
Speaker 1: I don't know. I know there are different agents that
Speaker 1: do different things, But does the agent that deals with
Speaker 1: his contract also deals with contracts coming from sponsors. I
Speaker 1: assume that's differ from for every player, but a lot
Speaker 1: of the players are with agencies, So there's an agent
Speaker 1: that's primarily responsible for this, and there may be another
Speaker 1: part of that agency that also takes care that takes
Speaker 1: care of their sponsorship. So yes, the agency typically is
Speaker 1: involved in all that. It may not be the same
Speaker 1: person negotiating all those I mean maybe wonder I'm like, Okay,
Speaker 1: is this agent kind of more focused on what percentage
Speaker 1: is getting out of this kind of contract versus sponsorship contracts,
Speaker 1: you know, because I know there are different agents out there,
Speaker 1: so I don't know, it's just another thing that you
Speaker 1: kind of maybe wonder about David. You're gonna say some
Speaker 1: of that. I mean, he's got for five people. I've
Speaker 1: met a couple over the years. I don't think Todd
Speaker 1: France guy that wouldn't negotiate that, But I'm also not sure.
Speaker 1: So yeah, yeah, it's a good point. And it definitely
Speaker 1: is a good point because you're right, individuals kind of
Speaker 1: kind of work looking for themselves is looking out themselves
Speaker 1: as well. So maybe a situation where an agent is
Speaker 1: thinking about their own percentage versus what it means for
Speaker 1: DAK will growl. And also I'll say this about about
Speaker 1: the actual contract. I mean, Dave mentioned some of these
Speaker 1: other deals in the past, the Stafford, Cousins, Garoppolo, whatever
Speaker 1: happens here with Dak, Like this, this contract is going
Speaker 1: to be used by other agents, by other teams, you know,
Speaker 1: this offseason, next offseason, two or three down the road.
Speaker 1: So like it's very important in the in the you know,
Speaker 1: I guess the fraternity of agents they got. They got
Speaker 1: to make sure that this deal is on part two
Speaker 1: for the next guy and keep it going and not
Speaker 1: let you know, not get a bargain deal. Yeah, all right,
Speaker 1: let's say our final break when we come back. Well,
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Speaker 1: live here in the final segment of The Break live
Speaker 1: from the virtual SWBC Worries Studio and Amber. This final segment,
Speaker 1: We're going to have a couple of questions from you
Speaker 1: for from our fans through you. So what you got
Speaker 1: between the two new coordinators joining the staff? Which side
Speaker 1: of the football see change improvement? Efficaly elevated all performance
Speaker 1: of this expectation seem twenty twenty anybody, Sorry, I'm not.
Speaker 1: I mean, the offense is the most exciting part because
Speaker 1: you got Lamb and you've got McCarthy, and you know
Speaker 1: Dak is supposed to take a jump blah blah blah,
Speaker 1: Like the team's gonna go as far as the offense.
Speaker 1: But I'm way more intrigued by the defense because of
Speaker 1: the expertise that Mike Nolan has, because of the intriguing
Speaker 1: new parts that they have, and the fact that defense
Speaker 1: was such a weak spot last year. So yeah, defense,
Speaker 1: just because it's so much more new. I'm actually going
Speaker 1: to change up the question a little bit and say
Speaker 1: special teams. I'm well, I'm way more intrigued about what
Speaker 1: the new special teams coordinators got to be able to
Speaker 1: provide because I think it was an area of problems
Speaker 1: for them last year, and I think they went out
Speaker 1: and got what a lot of people believe is one of,
Speaker 1: if not the best special teams coordinator in the league.
Speaker 1: So I'm really interested to see how he changes what
Speaker 1: they're doing on special teams because of the level of
Speaker 1: experience that he has and love of expertise that he has,
Speaker 1: That's where I'm most intrigued to see. What I'm most
Speaker 1: intreat to see to say, offense, because I do think
Speaker 1: that their offense needs to be better, and you know,
Speaker 1: against against the really good defenses. I mean, yeah, when
Speaker 1: when they scored thirty points or more, they won every game,
Speaker 1: but they didn't always score thirty points or more. They
Speaker 1: didn't always get there, and I think that they had
Speaker 1: some challenges when they faced teams that were more aggressive
Speaker 1: than they were, bigger and stronger, and so they're going
Speaker 1: to have to be able to figure those things out too.
Speaker 1: So I'll say offense is what I'm intrigued about, because,
Speaker 1: like Dave said, that's where all the weapons are. That's
Speaker 1: what's really going to have to carry the team. I
Speaker 1: still think they can be a little bit better and
Speaker 1: more consistent through the year. Well, let's talk about the
Speaker 1: defense a little more. And obviously there are a lot
Speaker 1: of things that we don't know just yet. But in
Speaker 1: your opinion, who will be the most impactful player in
Speaker 1: the whole defense outside of DeMarcus Lawrence as far as talent,
Speaker 1: really Hope and Smith just because of what an awesome Well,
Speaker 1: first of all, it would be an incredible story. I
Speaker 1: mean for a guy to have that much go wrong
Speaker 1: and disappear from the game for that long and come
Speaker 1: back and make an impact. Not only would it be
Speaker 1: a cool story, you know as a reporter, but it
Speaker 1: would mean really good things for this defense. Hopefully if
Speaker 1: you have a guy like that that can get sacks
Speaker 1: and make life easier on DeMarcus Jaylen Smith, I think
Speaker 1: he's the most important guy. Um not only does he
Speaker 1: play right there, you know, at the not in the
Speaker 1: middle linebacker spot, but he played linebacker where he's you know,
Speaker 1: around the ball a lot. And when he's playing well
Speaker 1: and they can get him to play at a high level,
Speaker 1: then I think he could be really good for this team.
Speaker 1: But you know, if if they can't figure out how
Speaker 1: to make him a really consistent, productive player, well, then
Speaker 1: he could be a weak spot. So I think that,
Speaker 1: you know, it's gonna be very, very important to figure
Speaker 1: out the best way to make Jalen Smith an impact player,
Speaker 1: a positive impact player. You know. I would go with
Speaker 1: Layton Vandersch, his mate there at linebacker. I look at
Speaker 1: what Layton was doing two years ago before the injury.
Speaker 1: Last year, he was playing outstanding football and he was
Speaker 1: he was one of those players that made plays where
Speaker 1: there wasn't necessarily a play there. He would do things
Speaker 1: that could kind of change games. He would do things
Speaker 1: that would get of the Cowboys, you know, kind of
Speaker 1: that that boost at certain points and games that they
Speaker 1: needed that critical play. Right. Um, I think I think
Speaker 1: he's going to be the guy if he's healthy, and
Speaker 1: I'm assuming he is. I'm gonna trust everybody's word, his
Speaker 1: and the organization's word until I see different that he's
Speaker 1: healthy and ready to go. And if that's the case,
Speaker 1: I think he's gonna be one of the best players
Speaker 1: on this defense. I think he'll be one of the
Speaker 1: biggest playmakers. He'll be one of the guys we're talking
Speaker 1: about after games that made plays that change the game.
Speaker 1: I hope you're right, and it's not usually not, but
Speaker 1: I hope it is not one of those, uh reoccurring things,
Speaker 1: because we know he's been dealing with it ever since college.
Speaker 1: So hopefully it's nothing that that will keep him out
Speaker 1: of the game for you know, or something that will
Speaker 1: keep him dealing with Nick problems all throughout the rest
Speaker 1: of his career. But it problems or neck problems. Say
Speaker 1: neck problems? Did you say Nick problems? Both? Like, yeah, right,
Speaker 1: that's a problem too. But all right, all right, that's
Speaker 1: a good question. I think we're gonna have time for
Speaker 1: We went home on that conversation around dak which is
Speaker 1: really good though. I appreciate you guys taking some time
Speaker 1: to do that, and we appreciate you guys joining us today.
Speaker 1: We moved back next week at our normal time eleven
Speaker 1: am Central till then. For Nick Eatman, Amber Garcia, Dave Helmet,
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