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Speaker 1: This season, we're bringing you stories about people finding their

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Speaker 1: producer Otis Gray travels to Southampton, Massachusetts to interview Anna Nadler.

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Speaker 1: Anna is a rambunctious young woman working not one, but

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Speaker 1: two jobs that by looking at her, you might not

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Speaker 1: see her doing. She's five foot two, she's bubbly, and

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Speaker 1: on most days is vastly outnumbered by mail co workers.

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Speaker 1: While her job choices might seem at first glance non traditional,

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Speaker 1: she's in no way out of place in either. Here's Otis.

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Speaker 1: Anna Nadler is twenty seven. She's a civil engineer living

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Speaker 1: in Southampton, mass And right now it's the middle of

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Speaker 1: the night. She's gonna have to wake up at six am.

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Speaker 1: She and her crew have a big job replacing a

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Speaker 1: bridge a couple of towns over. Somewhere around two thirty am,

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Speaker 1: she hears this come out of a radio that she

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Speaker 1: is charging on her kitchen table. That's the fire department

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Speaker 1: and the code is for a structure fire, a big one.

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Speaker 1: So Anna leaps out of bed and she responds. Seconds later,

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Speaker 1: turned out a structure fire mutual A two Stampton running

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Speaker 1: out of the door. Now right now it's February. There's

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Speaker 1: get these calls in your heart is racing because you're

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Speaker 1: so amped up. Structure fires do not come around every day,

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Speaker 1: but for the last two years, Anna has been an

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Speaker 1: on call firefighter here in Southampton. She's not your typical

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Speaker 1: It sounds terrible to save, and I'm super excited because

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Speaker 1: I love fighting fires, like it's just I'm so passionate

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Speaker 1: this means someone's property is on fire. Garage, barn, you

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Speaker 1: Nadler as she juggles her life as an engineer, her

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Speaker 1: a house fire in East Hampton that we told you

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Speaker 1: about on twenty two News this morning. According to East

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Speaker 1: Hampton Fire Chief David Botter, everyone made it out safely.

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Speaker 1: Three firefighters, though had minor injuries, and one had to

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Speaker 1: It was an old home that caught fire quick. Anna

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Speaker 1: very plainly describes her younger self as a nerd. Well,

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Speaker 1: So when that rotation finished, she chose to go into

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Speaker 1: and we're walking on an aging bridge that they're preparing

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Speaker 1: It was the first time that I really thought about

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Speaker 1: everything that goes into a job like that. Diverting traffic

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Speaker 1: and it's just one of many utility relocation. We gotta

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Speaker 1: then the bridge itself will be complete. It's going from

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Speaker 1: there were a lot of trees that needed to be cleared.

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Speaker 1: put totally new traffic signals in both intersections. The list

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Speaker 1: goes on and on, a little bit of everything on

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Speaker 1: this job. I think a lot of people get frustrated

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Speaker 1: This is Anna's boss, Jim Hoy, I'm the assistant construction

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Speaker 1: it really doesn't last long. She's one of the more

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