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Speaker 1: that high school drama, Girl Drama Girl, all about them

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Speaker 1: high school queens. We'll take you for a ride in

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Speaker 1: our comic girl Cheering for the drama Queens Girl Fashion,

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Speaker 1: but you'll tough, girl. You could sit with us Girl Drama, Queens, DNA,

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Speaker 1: Welcome Back, Everybody it is Season four, Episode four, can't

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Speaker 1: It's so uncomfortable that while we were watching it we

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Speaker 1: make me feel sick. Bethany Rooney was our director in

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Speaker 1: this episode that Bethany Rooney directed beautifully is about is

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Speaker 1: deb continues her downward spiral to her addiction. Rachel continues

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Speaker 1: ton hotter now than we were then. Girl, I'll freak

429
00:25:15,960 --> 00:25:20,000
Speaker 1: here now after two kids than I was. Come Hello, yes,

430
00:25:20,359 --> 00:25:23,800
Speaker 1: I'm way better in bed than I was then. I've

431
00:25:23,960 --> 00:25:30,760
Speaker 1: heard joy. It's like, it's true, and it's so irritating

432
00:25:30,840 --> 00:25:35,720
Speaker 1: to me that what we were allowed to do or

433
00:25:35,880 --> 00:25:42,320
Speaker 1: portray was governed by whether or not our boss thought

434
00:25:43,240 --> 00:25:47,879
Speaker 1: he might have a shot at us. That's just disgusting,

435
00:25:48,240 --> 00:25:50,679
Speaker 1: and it doesn't I want to say, Like, I know,

436
00:25:50,760 --> 00:25:52,920
Speaker 1: our business isn't easy for men, and like I get

437
00:25:52,920 --> 00:25:54,959
Speaker 1: that they get objectified. And look, we made James take

438
00:25:55,000 --> 00:25:57,360
Speaker 1: a shot off a lot on this show. I don't

439
00:25:57,400 --> 00:25:58,760
Speaker 1: know if he liked it or not, but it was

440
00:25:58,800 --> 00:26:02,320
Speaker 1: a lot. And I get that they also have the

441
00:26:02,480 --> 00:26:04,920
Speaker 1: standards they're supposed to live up to, but they don't

442
00:26:04,960 --> 00:26:08,040
Speaker 1: go through this part and I'm pissed that we do.

443
00:26:08,160 --> 00:26:11,359
Speaker 1: I just I'm pissed about it. Well, hopefully girls talk

444
00:26:11,440 --> 00:26:15,200
Speaker 1: to each other now, you know, like, yeah, I hope

445
00:26:15,200 --> 00:26:17,880
Speaker 1: that there's a you know, a pack of eNews coming

446
00:26:18,000 --> 00:26:20,520
Speaker 1: up that are like, oh, rules, we're not going to

447
00:26:20,600 --> 00:26:26,520
Speaker 1: follow those. I missed that in this episode. I missed

448
00:26:26,600 --> 00:26:30,400
Speaker 1: the camaraderie with the girls. In this episode we're all

449
00:26:30,440 --> 00:26:33,600
Speaker 1: like split off and dealing with our own weird stuff.

450
00:26:33,840 --> 00:26:37,040
Speaker 1: Although one of my I mean what I one thing

451
00:26:37,080 --> 00:26:39,479
Speaker 1: I really love about the camaraderie that we didn't get

452
00:26:39,520 --> 00:26:41,400
Speaker 1: to see too much of but we knew was there

453
00:26:41,520 --> 00:26:44,840
Speaker 1: was Brooke being an amazing friend to Haley and just

454
00:26:44,920 --> 00:26:49,760
Speaker 1: continuing to take the beating from every left, right and center.

455
00:26:50,000 --> 00:26:53,840
Speaker 1: Everybody's coming after Brooke, and I love that she just

456
00:26:54,440 --> 00:26:57,560
Speaker 1: holds it in, holds her own stays there strong for

457
00:26:57,600 --> 00:26:59,840
Speaker 1: her friend, and then at the end is like, okay, listen,

458
00:26:59,840 --> 00:27:03,679
Speaker 1: it's time. I've I've hit my limit. But you know,

459
00:27:03,800 --> 00:27:06,840
Speaker 1: she's just so true blue. I love it. I love

460
00:27:06,840 --> 00:27:10,240
Speaker 1: it too, and I loved You're right it was. It

461
00:27:10,320 --> 00:27:12,680
Speaker 1: was such a breath of fresh air our scenes together

462
00:27:13,480 --> 00:27:20,120
Speaker 1: because even they've given this weird thing, it's like it's

463
00:27:20,200 --> 00:27:22,280
Speaker 1: it's like a it's like a bitchy little seesaw that

464
00:27:22,320 --> 00:27:25,400
Speaker 1: they give to brook and Rachel, like Brookish shooting Rachel's

465
00:27:25,400 --> 00:27:28,280
Speaker 1: photos for the messing thing. But they're yelling at each

466
00:27:28,280 --> 00:27:30,399
Speaker 1: other while they're doing it, and I'm like, why are

467
00:27:30,400 --> 00:27:34,960
Speaker 1: we doing this? We're roommates, you know, whatever, I get it.

468
00:27:35,080 --> 00:27:41,439
Speaker 1: Complaints are in private. It's pillow fights and bitchy see sauce.

469
00:27:41,600 --> 00:27:43,480
Speaker 1: I'm like, if I'm taking pictures of one of you

470
00:27:43,520 --> 00:27:45,199
Speaker 1: in your underwear, I'm gonna be like, you look kind

471
00:27:45,200 --> 00:27:49,639
Speaker 1: of amazing. Your tits look great. I'm so proud of

472
00:27:50,280 --> 00:27:54,680
Speaker 1: ever Ever, So it's like that that bummed me out

473
00:27:54,680 --> 00:27:57,359
Speaker 1: a little bit because I think when when they give

474
00:27:57,560 --> 00:28:01,199
Speaker 1: me and Danil fun things to do together, it's so

475
00:28:01,280 --> 00:28:03,800
Speaker 1: much more entertaining than when we're snipping at each other.

476
00:28:04,520 --> 00:28:06,919
Speaker 1: So it was it was like such a breath of

477
00:28:06,920 --> 00:28:12,440
Speaker 1: fresh air the scenes with us leaning on each other,

478
00:28:13,240 --> 00:28:16,359
Speaker 1: and and that was the stuff I thought was so

479
00:28:16,440 --> 00:28:22,560
Speaker 1: well written. The misdirect remains where you still don't know

480
00:28:23,600 --> 00:28:27,960
Speaker 1: who's pregnant, what's happening, you know. I keep trying to

481
00:28:28,000 --> 00:28:30,680
Speaker 1: watch the scenes, remembering that at the time nobody knew

482
00:28:30,720 --> 00:28:36,720
Speaker 1: it was Haley, And it's so tender and real and

483
00:28:36,880 --> 00:28:40,960
Speaker 1: kind and that's really refreshing given all the creepiness in

484
00:28:41,000 --> 00:28:44,360
Speaker 1: the in the show right now. Yes, I know, I

485
00:28:44,440 --> 00:28:51,080
Speaker 1: loved that Matt Bar's back tattoo. God man, that Psycho

486
00:28:51,160 --> 00:28:56,560
Speaker 1: Deeric was really horrifying. And he's so good. Matt Bar

487
00:28:56,680 --> 00:29:01,520
Speaker 1: is just so good at being subtle and um, yeah, yeah,

488
00:29:01,640 --> 00:29:06,320
Speaker 1: I thought they handled it well in spite of all

489
00:29:06,320 --> 00:29:08,480
Speaker 1: that we were talking about about you know what it

490
00:29:08,520 --> 00:29:11,960
Speaker 1: was bringing in, um, just from a purely artistic level.

491
00:29:12,120 --> 00:29:14,360
Speaker 1: He's a great actor and I thought, you know, Bethany

492
00:29:14,440 --> 00:29:17,640
Speaker 1: did a really nice job with that. She did and

493
00:29:17,680 --> 00:29:28,920
Speaker 1: it's super creepy. Sure is My favorite kind of stories

494
00:29:28,960 --> 00:29:32,160
Speaker 1: are when you can see both sides right and you

495
00:29:32,200 --> 00:29:35,800
Speaker 1: can see the cool older brother energy in Matt Bar.

496
00:29:36,000 --> 00:29:38,800
Speaker 1: Like we said, he's got like Ryan Gosling energy where

497
00:29:38,840 --> 00:29:40,440
Speaker 1: he's like, I don't have a problem with you, Luke,

498
00:29:40,520 --> 00:29:42,720
Speaker 1: Like I think you're a cool guy. Like, what's what's

499
00:29:42,760 --> 00:29:47,200
Speaker 1: going on here? Boy? The second you see that like underlayer,

500
00:29:48,160 --> 00:29:53,440
Speaker 1: you can't un see it. And the escalation of creepy

501
00:29:53,480 --> 00:29:58,320
Speaker 1: in this episode, it just kept getting grosser and grosser

502
00:29:58,440 --> 00:30:06,000
Speaker 1: and grosser. And yeah, I mean I know what was

503
00:30:06,040 --> 00:30:08,440
Speaker 1: going on in l A. Like we've talked about it.

504
00:30:08,960 --> 00:30:10,960
Speaker 1: Our show kind of hit this point where it was

505
00:30:11,040 --> 00:30:17,160
Speaker 1: like no one could correct or give advice to or

506
00:30:17,400 --> 00:30:20,760
Speaker 1: rain In our creator anymore. And so I know that

507
00:30:20,760 --> 00:30:24,160
Speaker 1: that Writer's Room was just a show of like, what

508
00:30:24,640 --> 00:30:27,960
Speaker 1: is the grossest, most inappropriate we can get away with

509
00:30:28,440 --> 00:30:32,560
Speaker 1: on a c W show. And yeah, because we were

510
00:30:32,600 --> 00:30:35,480
Speaker 1: then officially competing with Gossip Girl in the o C

511
00:30:35,680 --> 00:30:39,120
Speaker 1: which was all very still on at that point. I

512
00:30:39,120 --> 00:30:41,760
Speaker 1: think they only did how many seasons did they do?

513
00:30:41,840 --> 00:30:44,320
Speaker 1: Three or four? Well they started after us though, didn't

514
00:30:44,320 --> 00:30:50,320
Speaker 1: they know they're before us? They launched? Oh they were, Yeah,

515
00:30:50,480 --> 00:30:53,680
Speaker 1: it was definitely Gossip Girl. I remember that was we

516
00:30:53,680 --> 00:30:55,960
Speaker 1: were constantly hearing that we were in a race with

517
00:30:56,000 --> 00:30:59,920
Speaker 1: Gossip Girl all the time, which was so strange because

518
00:31:00,400 --> 00:31:02,760
Speaker 1: it's just two shows that are completely different. You go

519
00:31:02,880 --> 00:31:06,400
Speaker 1: to these places for completely different things. Well, and we

520
00:31:06,440 --> 00:31:09,200
Speaker 1: all could have been very kumbaya, like what if Brooke

521
00:31:09,280 --> 00:31:11,200
Speaker 1: hung out at the Gossip Girl kids in New York?

522
00:31:11,400 --> 00:31:13,200
Speaker 1: You know it? Girls great, it was fun. It was

523
00:31:13,240 --> 00:31:16,360
Speaker 1: like totally thought you went there for that whole world

524
00:31:16,400 --> 00:31:18,880
Speaker 1: and that vibe. Why did we need to also be

525
00:31:19,000 --> 00:31:21,560
Speaker 1: that world? It didn't make any sense. No, No, a

526
00:31:21,600 --> 00:31:25,040
Speaker 1: female executive energy is like, hey, let's do a fun crossover.

527
00:31:25,520 --> 00:31:27,560
Speaker 1: The energy we had back in those days was we

528
00:31:27,640 --> 00:31:31,960
Speaker 1: hate each other dot dot com. Yeah yeah, and it

529
00:31:32,000 --> 00:31:35,880
Speaker 1: feels like self sabotage, like to have to have two

530
00:31:35,920 --> 00:31:40,160
Speaker 1: of the biggest hit teen shows on the same network

531
00:31:40,800 --> 00:31:43,680
Speaker 1: and nine say, well, we could really use this to

532
00:31:43,760 --> 00:31:47,640
Speaker 1: our advantage, Like why was clothes over? Bros not dressing

533
00:31:47,680 --> 00:31:55,320
Speaker 1: Serena Vanderwoodsen Hello, absolutely, Like Don, why you're not kissing

534
00:31:55,320 --> 00:31:58,520
Speaker 1: that broody dude on the show is what I'm saying,

535
00:32:01,280 --> 00:32:05,680
Speaker 1: grumpy mother girl. Um, do we want to get into

536
00:32:05,680 --> 00:32:07,760
Speaker 1: all the Derek of it all? Because there was so

537
00:32:07,840 --> 00:32:10,560
Speaker 1: much stuff. I feel like it's weird this episode with

538
00:32:11,200 --> 00:32:17,080
Speaker 1: it ping ponged. It was like Derek pregnancy, deb Shelly

539
00:32:17,240 --> 00:32:25,040
Speaker 1: Maxim shoot Hyman's all over all over Well. We had

540
00:32:25,080 --> 00:32:29,240
Speaker 1: the introduction of Elizabeth Arnwa who play Shelly the Clean

541
00:32:29,320 --> 00:32:34,320
Speaker 1: We Love the band. Liz was a friend of mine,

542
00:32:35,160 --> 00:32:40,720
Speaker 1: um and our creator. This was peat creep right where

543
00:32:41,600 --> 00:32:45,040
Speaker 1: he was my betty and was like, what was high

544
00:32:45,040 --> 00:32:48,040
Speaker 1: school really like for you? And so I told him

545
00:32:48,080 --> 00:32:50,200
Speaker 1: that I was a part of a group called clean

546
00:32:50,280 --> 00:32:53,120
Speaker 1: teens in high school and like our joke because that

547
00:32:53,200 --> 00:32:55,520
Speaker 1: we would we were at all the football parties, you know,

548
00:32:55,600 --> 00:32:57,640
Speaker 1: we would like go to stuff, but we'd be like

549
00:32:57,800 --> 00:33:01,920
Speaker 1: virgin for life. You know. It was way of making

550
00:33:01,960 --> 00:33:06,480
Speaker 1: fun of ourselves before anyone else could, but also about

551
00:33:06,520 --> 00:33:09,600
Speaker 1: setting a boundary with the boys at our school so

552
00:33:09,640 --> 00:33:12,360
Speaker 1: that they just knew not to try anything weird, you know.

553
00:33:13,320 --> 00:33:18,520
Speaker 1: And back then there wasn't a lot of that. Um,

554
00:33:18,840 --> 00:33:21,120
Speaker 1: we didn't have like a lot of role models that

555
00:33:21,160 --> 00:33:25,240
Speaker 1: I could be like, hey, you know, actually I don't

556
00:33:25,320 --> 00:33:28,480
Speaker 1: want you touching my boobs. You know, Like it was

557
00:33:28,520 --> 00:33:30,520
Speaker 1: hard to find the language for it, and so making

558
00:33:30,560 --> 00:33:32,560
Speaker 1: a joke out of it, put out a T shirt,

559
00:33:32,880 --> 00:33:35,400
Speaker 1: that's it. It was the easiest thing to do because

560
00:33:35,440 --> 00:33:38,960
Speaker 1: it made it funny and and you had the confidence

561
00:33:39,000 --> 00:33:42,760
Speaker 1: to pull it off because I didn't care. Uh, it

562
00:33:42,840 --> 00:33:46,040
Speaker 1: was just like day, don't date me. There's a lot

563
00:33:46,080 --> 00:33:51,480
Speaker 1: of you. I'll figure it out. Um. And the thing

564
00:33:51,520 --> 00:33:55,240
Speaker 1: is we all were legitimately like virgins, you know, and

565
00:33:55,320 --> 00:33:59,200
Speaker 1: we were good with that. We didn't feel pressured. When

566
00:33:59,200 --> 00:34:01,200
Speaker 1: we were in high school. Was the era of like

567
00:34:01,400 --> 00:34:05,040
Speaker 1: girls gone wild and whip them out Wednesday, and like

568
00:34:05,160 --> 00:34:09,920
Speaker 1: everyone wanted to see your tits and to stand up

569
00:34:09,960 --> 00:34:12,239
Speaker 1: to that and be like, my brand of feminism is

570
00:34:12,640 --> 00:34:15,879
Speaker 1: earn it like you don't. Nobody just gets this. This

571
00:34:15,920 --> 00:34:21,719
Speaker 1: is special. Um, I had no idea when he was like, hey,

572
00:34:21,800 --> 00:34:23,640
Speaker 1: we want to put clean teens on the show. I

573
00:34:23,680 --> 00:34:26,279
Speaker 1: thought he was going to honor kind of what that meant,

574
00:34:26,560 --> 00:34:30,440
Speaker 1: and instead it turned into this really gross parody where

575
00:34:30,960 --> 00:34:33,400
Speaker 1: no one actually was a virgin. They were all just

576
00:34:33,600 --> 00:34:41,480
Speaker 1: hypocrites and liars and mean and mean, like hateful in

577
00:34:41,520 --> 00:34:46,840
Speaker 1: his mind, every chick is a horr at heart. Yeah right, yeah,

578
00:34:46,960 --> 00:34:50,960
Speaker 1: And and when you've been the quote unquote whore that

579
00:34:51,080 --> 00:34:55,320
Speaker 1: exists in his mind, you regret it. You regret your choices,

580
00:34:55,640 --> 00:34:58,399
Speaker 1: you sob over them, and you want to use them

581
00:34:58,400 --> 00:35:02,520
Speaker 1: as a weapon to shame other women who don't express

582
00:35:02,640 --> 00:35:07,439
Speaker 1: this regret over their hordom too. And it's just like

583
00:35:07,880 --> 00:35:13,800
Speaker 1: the whole thing makes me so mad because it's black

584
00:35:13,800 --> 00:35:18,239
Speaker 1: and white. Yeah, And and it it doesn't also tell

585
00:35:18,320 --> 00:35:21,720
Speaker 1: the truth about anything. It doesn't tell the truth about

586
00:35:21,719 --> 00:35:27,400
Speaker 1: your experience. It doesn't it doesn't actually highlight the experiences

587
00:35:27,440 --> 00:35:32,840
Speaker 1: of young women like it's it's like a cartoon version

588
00:35:32,920 --> 00:35:35,799
Speaker 1: of all of it. And at the core of it

589
00:35:35,880 --> 00:35:40,560
Speaker 1: is judgment. Yeah, everything's jammed into one into one, like

590
00:35:41,080 --> 00:35:46,640
Speaker 1: you know, twenty minutes slot when there's so much, so

591
00:35:46,719 --> 00:35:51,719
Speaker 1: much to be explained expounded upon. Um. I mean we

592
00:35:51,840 --> 00:35:54,359
Speaker 1: teased out the water work for six episodes. We could

593
00:35:54,360 --> 00:35:58,000
Speaker 1: have teased out the Shelly the Shelly revealed for a minute.

594
00:35:58,920 --> 00:36:01,879
Speaker 1: I mean, I think the interesting conversation, at the very

595
00:36:01,960 --> 00:36:07,040
Speaker 1: least that it sparks is how people mask shame, Like

596
00:36:07,120 --> 00:36:08,959
Speaker 1: what do you do when you feel shame about something,

597
00:36:08,960 --> 00:36:11,600
Speaker 1: whether the shame is justified or not in your own mind?

598
00:36:12,040 --> 00:36:14,080
Speaker 1: There are plenty of things that I feel shame about

599
00:36:14,080 --> 00:36:15,879
Speaker 1: that other people would be like, there's what do you worry?

600
00:36:15,920 --> 00:36:18,120
Speaker 1: What are you worried about? But you know, we all

601
00:36:18,160 --> 00:36:21,320
Speaker 1: have our own versions of that, and how people mask

602
00:36:21,440 --> 00:36:25,440
Speaker 1: it um usually turns into judgment. I think in my

603
00:36:25,480 --> 00:36:30,120
Speaker 1: experience it ends up being you start using your the

604
00:36:30,120 --> 00:36:32,239
Speaker 1: the opposite of whatever it is that you're using to

605
00:36:32,360 --> 00:36:34,720
Speaker 1: cover up your shame. You start taking that and lording

606
00:36:34,760 --> 00:36:36,920
Speaker 1: it over other people and saying, why aren't you doing this?

607
00:36:36,960 --> 00:36:38,880
Speaker 1: Why aren't you doing it the same way I'm doing it?

608
00:36:39,200 --> 00:36:42,120
Speaker 1: See see look, I'm I'm virtuous. I'm doing it the

609
00:36:42,200 --> 00:36:47,080
Speaker 1: right way. Um. And so I've liked the opening of that,

610
00:36:47,200 --> 00:36:55,760
Speaker 1: because that's an interesting conversation to me. I liked that Shelley, Um.

611
00:36:55,800 --> 00:36:58,400
Speaker 1: I think it's strange that she trusts Brooke right away

612
00:36:58,440 --> 00:37:04,719
Speaker 1: with like you know her. Um. I like that she

613
00:37:04,920 --> 00:37:07,200
Speaker 1: represents a lot of the girls I did go to

614
00:37:07,200 --> 00:37:10,640
Speaker 1: school Worth who weren't necessarily in clean teens, but who belonged.

615
00:37:10,760 --> 00:37:12,600
Speaker 1: There was a there was a youth group we would

616
00:37:12,640 --> 00:37:15,960
Speaker 1: go to. They were called the fire Escape and I

617
00:37:16,000 --> 00:37:18,200
Speaker 1: think they were named because you were trying to escape

618
00:37:18,200 --> 00:37:23,080
Speaker 1: the fiery pits of hell and like, yeah, yeah, girl,

619
00:37:23,360 --> 00:37:25,560
Speaker 1: that's what I'm talking about. They had like a haunted

620
00:37:25,640 --> 00:37:29,200
Speaker 1: house that was all like drugs and abortion, and it

621
00:37:29,280 --> 00:37:32,799
Speaker 1: was one of those right. It was like Hillary crazy

622
00:37:32,880 --> 00:37:34,399
Speaker 1: when I tell you I grew up in like the

623
00:37:34,440 --> 00:37:37,960
Speaker 1: thickness of that, I did, and it was It's a

624
00:37:38,000 --> 00:37:40,520
Speaker 1: strange mix because you're friends with those kids and you're like, yeah,

625
00:37:40,560 --> 00:37:43,239
Speaker 1: it's a Wednesday, and like there's really nothing else to

626
00:37:43,280 --> 00:37:47,240
Speaker 1: do in our town. I guess I'll go to this thing. Um.

627
00:37:47,560 --> 00:37:51,640
Speaker 1: And And I felt really badly for Shelly because I

628
00:37:51,680 --> 00:37:55,279
Speaker 1: don't think her shame is that. UM. I don't think

629
00:37:55,280 --> 00:37:58,600
Speaker 1: the shame is hers. I think the shame is something

630
00:37:58,640 --> 00:38:01,840
Speaker 1: that is imposed on her by her parents and her church.

631
00:38:02,440 --> 00:38:06,040
Speaker 1: And Shelly talks about you meet a boy and you're

632
00:38:06,080 --> 00:38:08,560
Speaker 1: having fun and everything's like great, and I can't tell

633
00:38:08,600 --> 00:38:11,600
Speaker 1: my parents I got pregnant at church camp. And it's like, well, baby,

634
00:38:11,600 --> 00:38:16,880
Speaker 1: why can't you? Why can't you? That's awesome A great

635
00:38:17,000 --> 00:38:24,000
Speaker 1: question because judgment, judgment isn't love. And what bothers me

636
00:38:24,480 --> 00:38:29,160
Speaker 1: about I don't know about that. Well that that's that's

637
00:38:29,239 --> 00:38:32,600
Speaker 1: my opinion anyway, is that like you don't judge in shame,

638
00:38:33,560 --> 00:38:36,399
Speaker 1: Like if you can't tell the people who say they

639
00:38:36,440 --> 00:38:39,759
Speaker 1: love you what you're going through, whether those people will

640
00:38:39,800 --> 00:38:41,840
Speaker 1: have an opinion that it is a good thing or

641
00:38:41,880 --> 00:38:47,960
Speaker 1: a bad thing, that's not love, you're not safe. And

642
00:38:47,960 --> 00:38:50,920
Speaker 1: and what I struggle with in this again when you

643
00:38:50,960 --> 00:38:55,480
Speaker 1: look at who we worked for, a man who cared

644
00:38:55,560 --> 00:38:58,040
Speaker 1: not at all about the real experiences of women, who

645
00:38:58,040 --> 00:39:01,359
Speaker 1: wanted to write fantasy experiences of women, and a man,

646
00:39:01,400 --> 00:39:03,920
Speaker 1: by the way, who does not have children, so has

647
00:39:03,960 --> 00:39:09,560
Speaker 1: no concept of what pregnancy is and no concept that

648
00:39:09,719 --> 00:39:12,080
Speaker 1: if you want to have a baby, yes it's a miracle,

649
00:39:12,400 --> 00:39:17,520
Speaker 1: but pregnancy is literally a life threatening condition, like to

650
00:39:17,600 --> 00:39:22,000
Speaker 1: bottom life threatening condition miraculous, So special. I can't wait

651
00:39:22,040 --> 00:39:24,319
Speaker 1: to be a mom. My husband is so cute. All

652
00:39:24,360 --> 00:39:26,239
Speaker 1: I want is a little ginger baby that looks like

653
00:39:29,280 --> 00:39:32,200
Speaker 1: but like Grants pictures is a little boy with red hair.

654
00:39:32,920 --> 00:39:34,840
Speaker 1: Just give me eight of them. Like, I can't say it,

655
00:39:35,640 --> 00:39:43,120
Speaker 1: but like, pregnancy is dangerous and we've divested from these realities.

656
00:39:43,160 --> 00:39:46,680
Speaker 1: And what bothers me about someone like our boss writing

657
00:39:46,680 --> 00:39:52,400
Speaker 1: this story, which is shame, shame, shame, regret, regret, regret, nightmare, nightmare, nightmare.

658
00:39:52,760 --> 00:39:54,920
Speaker 1: My parents judged me, and my church judged me. All

659
00:39:54,920 --> 00:39:59,160
Speaker 1: the stuff you were mentioning, how like it's actually antithetical

660
00:39:59,200 --> 00:40:01,920
Speaker 1: to the real exp variances of women in our country,

661
00:40:02,360 --> 00:40:06,799
Speaker 1: of women who seek reproductive care, who seek abortion care

662
00:40:06,920 --> 00:40:11,279
Speaker 1: are already mothers plural. Well, the mythology is it's all

663
00:40:11,320 --> 00:40:15,040
Speaker 1: slutty teenage girls exactly. And that's why it angers me,

664
00:40:15,160 --> 00:40:19,520
Speaker 1: is the mythology does a disservice. It's it's repeating the

665
00:40:19,600 --> 00:40:23,440
Speaker 1: same kinds of lies as that other vertical we've talked about,

666
00:40:23,480 --> 00:40:26,759
Speaker 1: which like grooms boys to be violent and tells them

667
00:40:26,800 --> 00:40:31,720
Speaker 1: that's masculinity. Like, I don't like when men repeat lies

668
00:40:32,000 --> 00:40:37,080
Speaker 1: about women that harm women. And I really I struggle

669
00:40:37,160 --> 00:40:40,600
Speaker 1: with the ways that all of us in various storylines

670
00:40:40,640 --> 00:40:43,359
Speaker 1: Elizabeth with this thing was Shelley that each of us

671
00:40:43,360 --> 00:40:45,560
Speaker 1: have talked about how vulnerable we felt when we had

672
00:40:45,600 --> 00:40:47,960
Speaker 1: to do things on screen that we knew to not

673
00:40:48,120 --> 00:40:51,480
Speaker 1: be true. I don't like that a forty five year

674
00:40:51,480 --> 00:40:54,120
Speaker 1: old married man who who wanted to cheat on his

675
00:40:54,160 --> 00:40:57,719
Speaker 1: wife with twenty year old girls was writing storylines that

676
00:40:57,880 --> 00:41:02,000
Speaker 1: shamed sixteen year old girl. It like, it makes my

677
00:41:02,080 --> 00:41:07,000
Speaker 1: blood boil, you know, I see exactly where you're coming from.

678
00:41:07,040 --> 00:41:11,200
Speaker 1: It just irks me. Man. I think there is on

679
00:41:11,280 --> 00:41:16,279
Speaker 1: the on another viewpoint of that, there is a realism

680
00:41:16,320 --> 00:41:20,920
Speaker 1: to um. I have spoken with plenty of women in

681
00:41:20,920 --> 00:41:23,719
Speaker 1: my life who have had abortions and feel and they

682
00:41:23,760 --> 00:41:27,040
Speaker 1: do feel regret about it, um and then there are

683
00:41:27,040 --> 00:41:30,080
Speaker 1: many who don't um so and I think the fear

684
00:41:30,200 --> 00:41:32,560
Speaker 1: and this how scared it is to be a teenage

685
00:41:32,600 --> 00:41:35,279
Speaker 1: girl and be in that position. You know, as I said,

686
00:41:35,320 --> 00:41:38,120
Speaker 1: we were watching the episode, that does seem realistic to me.

687
00:41:38,160 --> 00:41:41,560
Speaker 1: I think that's a realistic situation. But in the context

688
00:41:41,760 --> 00:41:44,480
Speaker 1: of everything that we're talking about with who the boss,

689
00:41:44,520 --> 00:41:48,280
Speaker 1: who our boss was, UM, how he was just using

690
00:41:48,320 --> 00:41:53,120
Speaker 1: all of these like very deeply complex emotional issues and

691
00:41:53,160 --> 00:41:56,279
Speaker 1: turning them into quips and sound bites and like from

692
00:41:56,360 --> 00:42:01,680
Speaker 1: little emotional storylines. It takes away from the value that

693
00:42:01,719 --> 00:42:06,200
Speaker 1: actually maybe could have offered. Well, he weaponizes those things

694
00:42:06,200 --> 00:42:12,319
Speaker 1: into purity politics. And I hear what you're saying, and

695
00:42:12,480 --> 00:42:15,920
Speaker 1: I also have to say, like, I have a handful

696
00:42:15,920 --> 00:42:20,000
Speaker 1: of girlfriends who've had abortions who don't regret it, and

697
00:42:20,080 --> 00:42:23,399
Speaker 1: many of many women I've spoken to who are only

698
00:42:23,440 --> 00:42:26,600
Speaker 1: alive because they were able to have abortions, like whose

699
00:42:26,640 --> 00:42:32,800
Speaker 1: lives were threatened by terminal pregnancies. And the reality of

700
00:42:33,080 --> 00:42:37,160
Speaker 1: this conversation which everyone is entitled to their feelings and

701
00:42:37,200 --> 00:42:41,360
Speaker 1: their opinions and their emotions. It's an emotional conversation for people.

702
00:42:41,680 --> 00:42:46,000
Speaker 1: But it is nobody's business to place judgment on what

703
00:42:46,120 --> 00:42:48,520
Speaker 1: you need or what you needed at the time, or

704
00:42:48,560 --> 00:42:51,000
Speaker 1: what you needed to stay alive, or or what you

705
00:42:51,000 --> 00:42:53,560
Speaker 1: needed to get out of an abusive relationship, or just

706
00:42:53,680 --> 00:42:56,560
Speaker 1: what you needed because it wasn't right for your life.

707
00:42:57,320 --> 00:43:01,920
Speaker 1: It's nobody's business. And what bothers me here is the

708
00:43:02,040 --> 00:43:06,960
Speaker 1: judgment that again this man put on all of us

709
00:43:07,000 --> 00:43:10,440
Speaker 1: as girls. I just it. Just imagine being a sixteen

710
00:43:10,520 --> 00:43:12,520
Speaker 1: year old girl at home who had had an abortion

711
00:43:12,800 --> 00:43:17,240
Speaker 1: in two thousand six and watching this and being like, oh,

712
00:43:17,440 --> 00:43:21,920
Speaker 1: I'm bad. Like, we didn't need to do it that way.

713
00:43:22,280 --> 00:43:26,600
Speaker 1: We just didn't need to have this conversation in that way,

714
00:43:26,760 --> 00:43:29,080
Speaker 1: and it didn't need to be had by a man

715
00:43:30,040 --> 00:43:33,680
Speaker 1: who treated women the way that man treated all of us. Yeah.

716
00:43:33,840 --> 00:43:35,640
Speaker 1: I just didn't see it that way. I didn't see

717
00:43:35,680 --> 00:43:38,080
Speaker 1: it as like, I'm like, if I was sixteen at

718
00:43:38,080 --> 00:43:40,200
Speaker 1: home and saw that and think I'm bad, I would

719
00:43:40,200 --> 00:43:43,160
Speaker 1: think it's relatable because I probably would have felt some

720
00:43:43,239 --> 00:43:46,040
Speaker 1: of those things. And I what was interesting is that

721
00:43:46,120 --> 00:43:50,480
Speaker 1: Shelley did take though that all of those that shame

722
00:43:50,480 --> 00:43:52,799
Speaker 1: and emotion and turn it into judgment and it was

723
00:43:52,880 --> 00:43:54,719
Speaker 1: very clear that she was doing that and it was

724
00:43:54,840 --> 00:43:58,040
Speaker 1: very gross, and so it was it was I thought

725
00:43:58,080 --> 00:44:00,759
Speaker 1: it was a nice way of saying, hey, don't yes,

726
00:44:00,880 --> 00:44:03,399
Speaker 1: don't shame people, don't act out in judgment the way

727
00:44:03,400 --> 00:44:06,520
Speaker 1: that she's handling this, because it's not pretty and it's harmful.

728
00:44:06,600 --> 00:44:09,279
Speaker 1: It's hurtful. I like the way Elizabeth played it, Like

729
00:44:10,120 --> 00:44:14,080
Speaker 1: that panic that she exhibits while she's telling the story

730
00:44:14,160 --> 00:44:17,200
Speaker 1: to Brooke. It's like she's having an anxiety attack as

731
00:44:17,200 --> 00:44:20,280
Speaker 1: she's telling Brooke. And you know when your nervous system

732
00:44:20,400 --> 00:44:24,839
Speaker 1: is so affected by something that you just cannot mask it,

733
00:44:25,320 --> 00:44:28,799
Speaker 1: and you see like Shelley's nervous system just like glitching

734
00:44:29,160 --> 00:44:31,400
Speaker 1: as she's telling this story because she's trying to make

735
00:44:31,440 --> 00:44:34,320
Speaker 1: it make sense and she's like, I have to find

736
00:44:34,640 --> 00:44:37,719
Speaker 1: the path of like righteousness and this, and the other

737
00:44:37,760 --> 00:44:40,839
Speaker 1: thing that bugged me about this was I was like,

738
00:44:40,960 --> 00:44:45,120
Speaker 1: why do you think all church people are hypocrites? Like, like,

739
00:44:45,440 --> 00:44:49,239
Speaker 1: why is the one church person you have in the

740
00:44:49,640 --> 00:44:53,439
Speaker 1: entire series the one who's like, I'm a big fat

741
00:44:53,480 --> 00:44:57,400
Speaker 1: liar and I loved you know, like that was his

742
00:44:57,480 --> 00:45:01,160
Speaker 1: one representation of a church person on the show. Yeah,

743
00:45:01,280 --> 00:45:05,480
Speaker 1: it would have been nice to see some alternatives perspectives. Yeah,

744
00:45:05,560 --> 00:45:08,439
Speaker 1: it's judgment. It's just judgment all around, and I don't

745
00:45:08,480 --> 00:45:10,840
Speaker 1: like it, but I do I will say, you know,

746
00:45:10,920 --> 00:45:15,239
Speaker 1: I think I think the silver lining to your point Hill.

747
00:45:15,360 --> 00:45:18,120
Speaker 1: And by the way, Joy, you're talking about her performance too,

748
00:45:18,600 --> 00:45:23,560
Speaker 1: is that Elizabeth took something that felt pretty icky all

749
00:45:23,600 --> 00:45:26,160
Speaker 1: around and was like I'm going to figure out how

750
00:45:26,200 --> 00:45:31,320
Speaker 1: to make this girl feel human and and maybe even

751
00:45:31,360 --> 00:45:34,480
Speaker 1: be an example of like what cruel judgment looks like,

752
00:45:35,080 --> 00:45:38,080
Speaker 1: and I'm gonna, like, I'm gonna do more with her.

753
00:45:38,200 --> 00:45:43,560
Speaker 1: Like she brought that visceral anxiety, she brought that misplaced

754
00:45:43,600 --> 00:45:47,239
Speaker 1: emotion that she's dumping on Brooks. She brought all of that.

755
00:45:48,040 --> 00:45:50,239
Speaker 1: You know, she put so much more into the performance

756
00:45:50,239 --> 00:45:53,120
Speaker 1: than than what our boss put on the page. And

757
00:45:53,560 --> 00:45:57,239
Speaker 1: that is when like, I just have moments where I

758
00:45:57,239 --> 00:45:58,960
Speaker 1: look at, you know, the three of us on the

759
00:45:59,120 --> 00:46:01,560
Speaker 1: on the screen right out and our our friends. I

760
00:46:01,560 --> 00:46:03,799
Speaker 1: look at Liz and Neil on screen, and I just think, like,

761
00:46:04,760 --> 00:46:06,799
Speaker 1: we got such a badass group of women because we

762
00:46:06,800 --> 00:46:13,960
Speaker 1: were unwilling to be shrunken by the man who wanted

763
00:46:14,000 --> 00:46:16,080
Speaker 1: to like shrink us and put us all in these

764
00:46:16,080 --> 00:46:21,560
Speaker 1: little boxers us like Ripley's believe it or not right

765
00:46:22,239 --> 00:46:26,120
Speaker 1: sunk the kids. Like one of my most favorite memories,

766
00:46:26,160 --> 00:46:28,759
Speaker 1: as the course of season four goes on, is that

767
00:46:28,880 --> 00:46:31,319
Speaker 1: he had hired Liz specifically because he was like, well,

768
00:46:31,360 --> 00:46:33,880
Speaker 1: if this is something that really happened to you, do

769
00:46:33,920 --> 00:46:36,000
Speaker 1: you have like a hot friend that should come play

770
00:46:36,040 --> 00:46:39,680
Speaker 1: this person. And I was like, yes, like my friend Elizabeth,

771
00:46:40,040 --> 00:46:42,400
Speaker 1: you know, like and she's friends with Danil and like

772
00:46:42,480 --> 00:46:46,120
Speaker 1: our girl gang will be together and his fantasy was like,

773
00:46:46,239 --> 00:46:49,480
Speaker 1: this is going to be so hot, and instead what

774
00:46:49,760 --> 00:46:53,560
Speaker 1: ended up happening is a stone wall, just like all

775
00:46:53,560 --> 00:46:57,319
Speaker 1: the chicks would hide after work and compare notes, and

776
00:46:57,360 --> 00:47:03,520
Speaker 1: it was the worst thing that ever happened to It's

777
00:47:03,560 --> 00:47:17,839
Speaker 1: so victorious that the idea of and this this leads

778
00:47:17,840 --> 00:47:21,879
Speaker 1: me a bit into Dan, the idea of judgment as

779
00:47:22,000 --> 00:47:26,080
Speaker 1: love UM and I want to I want to tap

780
00:47:26,080 --> 00:47:28,400
Speaker 1: on that a little because I don't think it's in

781
00:47:28,400 --> 00:47:30,680
Speaker 1: the in the way that it initially sounds like. But

782
00:47:30,880 --> 00:47:34,960
Speaker 1: what I'm thinking of is the reason that we demand

783
00:47:35,360 --> 00:47:39,919
Speaker 1: in our spirits or our hearts, this judgment over um

784
00:47:40,120 --> 00:47:43,120
Speaker 1: Keith's death, over the way that Nathan is being taken

785
00:47:43,200 --> 00:47:45,480
Speaker 1: care of, not being taken care of the way he's

786
00:47:45,480 --> 00:47:49,040
Speaker 1: been treated by his parents, particularly with Dan. We want

787
00:47:49,560 --> 00:47:52,879
Speaker 1: to see Dan received the justice that he is due

788
00:47:53,120 --> 00:47:55,319
Speaker 1: for the horrible things that he's done. And we want

789
00:47:55,360 --> 00:48:01,520
Speaker 1: that because we love Nathan, because we loved Keith, and

790
00:48:01,560 --> 00:48:08,200
Speaker 1: I think that desire for justice often then turns into

791
00:48:08,200 --> 00:48:14,600
Speaker 1: shame immediately instead of UM acknowledging like where it's coming from,

792
00:48:14,719 --> 00:48:19,000
Speaker 1: this deep deep love. And when I watch Nathan and

793
00:48:19,200 --> 00:48:22,239
Speaker 1: Deb and Dan in this episode, I think a lot

794
00:48:22,280 --> 00:48:26,240
Speaker 1: about that because Nathan you said it in the last

795
00:48:26,320 --> 00:48:30,880
Speaker 1: episode that we filmed Hillary or taped, um that Nathan

796
00:48:31,040 --> 00:48:34,799
Speaker 1: is in like full trauma mode. He's been basically a

797
00:48:34,840 --> 00:48:38,839
Speaker 1: bit abandoned by his parents. He's um, he's his uncle

798
00:48:38,880 --> 00:48:40,799
Speaker 1: has been shot. I mean, I guess we can just

799
00:48:40,800 --> 00:48:42,480
Speaker 1: start going down the list of all the horrible thing

800
00:48:42,719 --> 00:48:50,680
Speaker 1: the year. All right, he fell off his bike this episode, Yes,

801
00:48:51,040 --> 00:48:52,960
Speaker 1: all of these awful things that are happening, and now

802
00:48:53,000 --> 00:48:55,840
Speaker 1: he's totally acting out with Rachel, which is still a

803
00:48:55,840 --> 00:48:58,920
Speaker 1: little confus excuse me, still a little confusing to me.

804
00:48:59,520 --> 00:49:04,279
Speaker 1: But um, I like the dance. I like this back

805
00:49:04,320 --> 00:49:07,840
Speaker 1: and forth just as drama. It's it's really interesting to

806
00:49:07,880 --> 00:49:12,200
Speaker 1: watch what's happening with his parents and all that they've created,

807
00:49:12,239 --> 00:49:14,840
Speaker 1: the hurricane that they've created, how it's affecting him, and

808
00:49:14,880 --> 00:49:17,120
Speaker 1: how it's affecting both of them right now, like everybody's

809
00:49:17,120 --> 00:49:21,400
Speaker 1: spiling out of control because there's no justice happening. Do

810
00:49:21,480 --> 00:49:23,840
Speaker 1: you guys, do you think that that intervention at the

811
00:49:23,840 --> 00:49:26,399
Speaker 1: beginning of the episode would have been more successful if

812
00:49:26,640 --> 00:49:33,040
Speaker 1: Dan hadn't been invited, Like, yeah, thats just how are there?

813
00:49:33,520 --> 00:49:37,680
Speaker 1: I feel like no one could have expected that to

814
00:49:37,719 --> 00:49:42,719
Speaker 1: go well well, and they knew that it wasn't going

815
00:49:42,800 --> 00:49:44,879
Speaker 1: to play well, which I think is why they gave

816
00:49:44,920 --> 00:49:47,919
Speaker 1: the therapist the line being like, you know, everyone who's

817
00:49:47,960 --> 00:49:52,080
Speaker 1: important to you has to be here, because everyone was like,

818
00:49:52,160 --> 00:49:55,640
Speaker 1: why is he here? She hates him, like like he's

819
00:49:55,719 --> 00:49:57,879
Speaker 1: driven her to drink. She should not be the one

820
00:49:57,920 --> 00:50:02,320
Speaker 1: in the room. The worst interventional best ever, Please invite

821
00:50:02,600 --> 00:50:04,160
Speaker 1: the play the person that's going to make you feel

822
00:50:04,160 --> 00:50:07,759
Speaker 1: at least safe your abuser. Didn't that man grab you

823
00:50:07,800 --> 00:50:09,880
Speaker 1: by the threat of a week ago? Yeah, threatened to

824
00:50:09,960 --> 00:50:14,160
Speaker 1: kill you. We'll have him come when. I didn't love

825
00:50:14,200 --> 00:50:16,880
Speaker 1: the reveal of Keeps sleeping with dev That was kind

826
00:50:16,920 --> 00:50:20,880
Speaker 1: of oh my god, Hayley Hilarus getting all of the

827
00:50:20,960 --> 00:50:25,000
Speaker 1: tea is so good, Keith sleeping with what was the

828
00:50:25,040 --> 00:50:26,799
Speaker 1: other one? Wait? There was one more that you were

829
00:50:26,880 --> 00:50:31,120
Speaker 1: just was happening. There were multiple things and you just

830
00:50:31,160 --> 00:50:33,520
Speaker 1: like swinging your head around like why does nobody tell

831
00:50:33,520 --> 00:50:38,040
Speaker 1: me anything? I was cackling. That's an intimidating thing though

832
00:50:38,120 --> 00:50:41,719
Speaker 1: for a kid, because you know, addiction is scary. When

833
00:50:42,280 --> 00:50:46,279
Speaker 1: this when we were filming this, remember that show Intervention.

834
00:50:46,719 --> 00:50:50,040
Speaker 1: It was a hit, like it had only I watched

835
00:50:50,040 --> 00:50:52,279
Speaker 1: that show all the time. We would get off work

836
00:50:52,320 --> 00:50:54,319
Speaker 1: and like watch that show because it was like, Oh

837
00:50:54,360 --> 00:50:57,000
Speaker 1: my god, I can't believe this is on TV. It's

838
00:50:57,040 --> 00:51:00,359
Speaker 1: crazy sometimes how topical our show is because we were

839
00:51:00,400 --> 00:51:03,040
Speaker 1: really drawing from the other things that were cultural at

840
00:51:03,080 --> 00:51:06,520
Speaker 1: the time. Um and that show intervention was like a

841
00:51:06,560 --> 00:51:13,880
Speaker 1: really big deal. But deb playing it so um like

842
00:51:14,000 --> 00:51:16,879
Speaker 1: she really does not care. She just does not care

843
00:51:16,960 --> 00:51:20,399
Speaker 1: at all, And it's heartbreaking because we know we've seen

844
00:51:20,440 --> 00:51:23,280
Speaker 1: the good and so it just makes this feel so

845
00:51:23,400 --> 00:51:27,600
Speaker 1: like scuzzy and weird. Well because you know how much

846
00:51:27,680 --> 00:51:31,400
Speaker 1: she does care, and so there's some kind of connective

847
00:51:31,440 --> 00:51:34,080
Speaker 1: tissue that makes you watch her in this episode and

848
00:51:34,120 --> 00:51:39,680
Speaker 1: think if this is how far gone she is. Essentially,

849
00:51:39,680 --> 00:51:42,560
Speaker 1: she's behaving like she doesn't care if she's alive or not,

850
00:51:42,840 --> 00:51:46,760
Speaker 1: and that is such a sad place for a human

851
00:51:46,800 --> 00:51:50,839
Speaker 1: to be. And and the projection of that none of

852
00:51:50,880 --> 00:51:56,360
Speaker 1: this matters energy on her son onto her daughter in law.

853
00:51:58,160 --> 00:52:01,080
Speaker 1: Can you imagine being the tea you're in that classroom

854
00:52:01,560 --> 00:52:05,600
Speaker 1: or just like man, it's the mayor's wife. I guess

855
00:52:05,600 --> 00:52:10,640
Speaker 1: I better demands pills from a teenager. I mean, that's

856
00:52:10,640 --> 00:52:13,200
Speaker 1: a call the CPS, even if the kid doesn't live

857
00:52:13,200 --> 00:52:16,080
Speaker 1: in the house anymore, Like that's a phone call for sure,

858
00:52:16,440 --> 00:52:18,440
Speaker 1: he's a man. You walk over and take the bottle

859
00:52:18,440 --> 00:52:20,640
Speaker 1: of pills off the desk, so nobody gets to take

860
00:52:20,680 --> 00:52:24,720
Speaker 1: anybody home take any pills. Somebody gets the pills. Now,

861
00:52:26,800 --> 00:52:30,839
Speaker 1: that's what Haley became a great teacher. No pills for you,

862
00:52:31,520 --> 00:52:34,000
Speaker 1: no pills for you. No one knew what to do,

863
00:52:34,080 --> 00:52:36,880
Speaker 1: and the teacher just says, Okay, everybody, back to your tests.

864
00:52:37,440 --> 00:52:43,600
Speaker 1: What insane? That made me uncomfortable that boy. You know

865
00:52:43,640 --> 00:52:46,360
Speaker 1: what I did love was, um, you guys, as I

866
00:52:46,480 --> 00:52:50,520
Speaker 1: makeup in this episode, we all had the double wing.

867
00:52:51,160 --> 00:52:54,920
Speaker 1: It was like it was the hair Hillary too. It

868
00:52:55,080 --> 00:52:58,560
Speaker 1: was a double who was doing our makeup? Was this

869
00:52:58,640 --> 00:53:05,680
Speaker 1: Rachel kick? Was this? Honestly? Yeah? Because it all felt

870
00:53:05,719 --> 00:53:10,120
Speaker 1: like a little like punk rock princess. I loved that

871
00:53:11,000 --> 00:53:13,600
Speaker 1: we got We got some Cosmo girl and teen people

872
00:53:13,640 --> 00:53:15,759
Speaker 1: issues in that hair and makeup trail, and we were like,

873
00:53:15,920 --> 00:53:19,520
Speaker 1: we want this this one. That's just what my notes say.

874
00:53:19,560 --> 00:53:24,000
Speaker 1: Peyton's Luke, Yeah, you had the double eyeliner and I

875
00:53:24,080 --> 00:53:27,760
Speaker 1: had that single like sixties wing and I didn't even

876
00:53:28,040 --> 00:53:30,480
Speaker 1: realize it until we were at trick, but we both

877
00:53:30,520 --> 00:53:33,960
Speaker 1: had our hair half up different dudes, Like yours was

878
00:53:34,040 --> 00:53:36,960
Speaker 1: really curly and romantic and mine had like that that

879
00:53:37,160 --> 00:53:40,319
Speaker 1: like little sixties push up in the back almost. But

880
00:53:40,600 --> 00:53:45,040
Speaker 1: I wonder if they were like, we don't want to touch. Well,

881
00:53:45,480 --> 00:53:48,440
Speaker 1: that's probably what it was, but it weirdly struck me

882
00:53:48,600 --> 00:53:52,320
Speaker 1: visually as oh, you know, we have these two best

883
00:53:52,360 --> 00:53:55,239
Speaker 1: friends that aren't speaking right now, but they can't help

884
00:53:55,280 --> 00:54:00,080
Speaker 1: but make the same choices still because they're so similar, know,

885
00:54:03,640 --> 00:54:06,719
Speaker 1: like that like we kind of showed up looking like

886
00:54:06,840 --> 00:54:09,239
Speaker 1: each other, and I like, yeah, we sure did. I

887
00:54:09,239 --> 00:54:13,720
Speaker 1: mean we're going after the same dude or not? Who knows. Um.

888
00:54:13,800 --> 00:54:16,719
Speaker 1: I just want to say Peyton once again is like

889
00:54:17,040 --> 00:54:20,920
Speaker 1: co tuk to Brook Luke, I'll never talk. I okay,

890
00:54:20,920 --> 00:54:23,839
Speaker 1: I'll talk to I give I give you to her

891
00:54:23,920 --> 00:54:31,040
Speaker 1: on a silver platter. She's all yours. Peyton could not

892
00:54:31,239 --> 00:54:34,319
Speaker 1: have tried harder to get those two back together. It's

893
00:54:34,320 --> 00:54:37,399
Speaker 1: all so funny. It is so funny. It's like Lucas says,

894
00:54:37,480 --> 00:54:40,320
Speaker 1: all those boys, she's all yours, fellas, and you're basically

895
00:54:40,320 --> 00:54:44,439
Speaker 1: like Lucas, She's really she's all yours. She's the one

896
00:54:44,719 --> 00:54:48,759
Speaker 1: everybody's just trying to give Brook away. Oh god, it's

897
00:54:48,800 --> 00:54:50,440
Speaker 1: only a matter of time before Payton does that thing

898
00:54:50,440 --> 00:54:53,520
Speaker 1: where she like sends flowers to Brook but signs Lucas's name,

899
00:54:53,640 --> 00:54:57,760
Speaker 1: like starts like doing parent traps. Has to get back together.

900
00:54:58,840 --> 00:55:02,280
Speaker 1: She's doing the cute ver of Derek telling lies to everybody,

901
00:55:02,320 --> 00:55:04,319
Speaker 1: but instead of trying to keep him apart, she's trying

902
00:55:04,360 --> 00:55:08,480
Speaker 1: to make a romance happen. God, we tried, you know,

903
00:55:09,239 --> 00:55:13,120
Speaker 1: we sure tried, but that that whole night at Trick

904
00:55:13,280 --> 00:55:17,720
Speaker 1: is weird because we laughed so hard when when Rachel

905
00:55:18,080 --> 00:55:22,080
Speaker 1: slides an underwear picture over to Nathan on the bar,

906
00:55:22,840 --> 00:55:26,480
Speaker 1: and it just is so dated because now we send

907
00:55:26,719 --> 00:55:30,319
Speaker 1: iPhone pictures like here, look at my boobs, congratulations, But

908
00:55:30,400 --> 00:55:33,840
Speaker 1: you had to print out a whole as picture in

909
00:55:34,920 --> 00:55:42,080
Speaker 1: whatever I printed this out at Costco and keeping your locker. Yeah,

910
00:55:42,120 --> 00:55:44,920
Speaker 1: I wore underwear in this shot to make sure the

911
00:55:44,920 --> 00:55:48,240
Speaker 1: guy at right it didn't see my ariolas, Like, oh god,

912
00:55:50,000 --> 00:55:54,880
Speaker 1: you that word makes me so uncomfortable. I mean, to

913
00:55:55,040 --> 00:55:57,480
Speaker 1: Nathan's credit, he passed the picture back. He gave it back.

914
00:55:58,400 --> 00:56:00,640
Speaker 1: He did, he did give it that. That's what I

915
00:56:00,680 --> 00:56:03,520
Speaker 1: was going to say, I really I continue to be

916
00:56:03,600 --> 00:56:07,719
Speaker 1: so impressed with the way that James plays Nathan in

917
00:56:07,760 --> 00:56:11,360
Speaker 1: all of these scenes, because it would be so easy

918
00:56:11,400 --> 00:56:16,200
Speaker 1: to lean into flirting with Rachel, and he he manages

919
00:56:16,280 --> 00:56:20,640
Speaker 1: to be very compassionate, but to have a firm wallup.

920
00:56:21,800 --> 00:56:25,160
Speaker 1: He's not judging her, he's not shaming her, he's not

921
00:56:25,280 --> 00:56:29,320
Speaker 1: leading her on. He's just like, you're going through something.

922
00:56:29,800 --> 00:56:33,439
Speaker 1: I see you. This is not for me. It's it's

923
00:56:33,480 --> 00:56:38,840
Speaker 1: so it's classy and mature. Yeah, it's getting into dangerous

924
00:56:38,920 --> 00:56:42,120
Speaker 1: territory though, Oh yeah, I feel it's like bubbling beneath

925
00:56:42,120 --> 00:56:45,000
Speaker 1: the surface, like it's getting into a place where he

926
00:56:45,080 --> 00:56:51,840
Speaker 1: could potentially still sleep with her just because he feels

927
00:56:51,880 --> 00:56:54,200
Speaker 1: like it, and there's some kind of chemistry happening, but

928
00:56:54,280 --> 00:56:57,479
Speaker 1: not get emotionally caught up in it. Hey man, she's

929
00:56:57,520 --> 00:57:00,799
Speaker 1: having a rough time, I know well. And you see

930
00:57:00,800 --> 00:57:05,280
Speaker 1: the way he begins to change the energy, like who

931
00:57:05,360 --> 00:57:08,600
Speaker 1: Nathan is at that bar when he hands that picture

932
00:57:08,600 --> 00:57:13,000
Speaker 1: back to Rachel, begins getting chipped away at by the

933
00:57:13,040 --> 00:57:14,799
Speaker 1: time they're out in the parking lot and he gets

934
00:57:14,800 --> 00:57:19,720
Speaker 1: on that motorcycle with her. But to James's credit, it's

935
00:57:19,760 --> 00:57:23,840
Speaker 1: so subtle and it would have been really easy to

936
00:57:24,000 --> 00:57:26,360
Speaker 1: play it up and to go, oh god, what's happening

937
00:57:26,360 --> 00:57:29,680
Speaker 1: to Nathan? But you said it Joy, you go, I

938
00:57:29,720 --> 00:57:33,800
Speaker 1: can see it. It might be coming, and I love

939
00:57:34,680 --> 00:57:38,000
Speaker 1: I love the hint of it rather than the the

940
00:57:38,120 --> 00:57:43,760
Speaker 1: big change happening quickly. Yeah. Nice. Yeah. Well the scene

941
00:57:43,760 --> 00:57:46,960
Speaker 1: that you guys had Haley and Nathan where he is

942
00:57:47,040 --> 00:57:49,960
Speaker 1: just like, can you believe Brooke is doing this to Lucas?

943
00:57:49,960 --> 00:57:54,440
Speaker 1: Oh my god, that's scene. I know. That was the

944
00:57:54,480 --> 00:57:57,280
Speaker 1: first time that I think as an audience member, you go, oh,

945
00:57:57,320 --> 00:58:00,120
Speaker 1: it's Haley, it's not Brooke because they let me have

946
00:58:00,160 --> 00:58:04,360
Speaker 1: the reaction there. Yeah, and you're like, because she's scared,

947
00:58:04,400 --> 00:58:06,120
Speaker 1: and he says, yeah, i'd be scared. Don't you tell

948
00:58:06,160 --> 00:58:10,680
Speaker 1: a guy's life's over. Oh the gut bunch like you guys,

949
00:58:10,720 --> 00:58:17,160
Speaker 1: that turned my stomach upside down. Yea, yeah awful. They're

950
00:58:17,160 --> 00:58:19,040
Speaker 1: gonna have to go back to their round bed and

951
00:58:19,080 --> 00:58:21,640
Speaker 1: talk about it. Yeah. I mean, if he's going to

952
00:58:21,720 --> 00:58:24,640
Speaker 1: crawl on top of you again, talk it out, baby.

953
00:58:24,720 --> 00:58:26,959
Speaker 1: Where do you find sheets for a round bed? Girl?

954
00:58:27,000 --> 00:58:29,200
Speaker 1: I think you have to have two flat sheets and

955
00:58:29,200 --> 00:58:31,440
Speaker 1: then just like hope it doesn't untalk in the middle

956
00:58:31,440 --> 00:58:35,400
Speaker 1: of the night. How distressing have you, guys seen the

957
00:58:35,520 --> 00:58:40,800
Speaker 1: videos about the Swedish sleeping method. I went down, you, guys,

958
00:58:40,800 --> 00:58:45,440
Speaker 1: I went down a hole on t found actually a man.

959
00:58:45,840 --> 00:58:49,160
Speaker 1: Imagine that this journal that I'm lifting up is your bed,

960
00:58:49,440 --> 00:58:52,440
Speaker 1: like this is the mattress, but this half and this

961
00:58:52,640 --> 00:58:56,160
Speaker 1: half are their own comforters. So you basically get like

962
00:58:56,240 --> 00:59:00,680
Speaker 1: two queen size comforters and you like lightly overlap them

963
00:59:00,720 --> 00:59:03,880
Speaker 1: over the center, so each person has their own comforter,

964
00:59:04,000 --> 00:59:06,840
Speaker 1: but you're in the bed. I don't I don't like

965
00:59:06,920 --> 00:59:08,640
Speaker 1: to lose covers in the middle of the night, so

966
00:59:08,680 --> 00:59:10,480
Speaker 1: I don't know that it would be for me. But

967
00:59:10,560 --> 00:59:13,640
Speaker 1: I've now watched so many videos about it that I'm obsessed,

968
00:59:13,840 --> 00:59:16,760
Speaker 1: and I know that at some point this week I'm

969
00:59:16,760 --> 00:59:19,360
Speaker 1: gonna creep my husband out because I'm gonna be like, Hey,

970
00:59:19,400 --> 00:59:22,000
Speaker 1: I'm gonna bring another comforter downstairs and be like, what

971
00:59:22,040 --> 00:59:26,800
Speaker 1: are you talking about? Listen, it's not as weird as

972
00:59:26,840 --> 00:59:30,920
Speaker 1: a round bed. Let me try this because for one night. Yeah,

973
00:59:31,040 --> 00:59:33,280
Speaker 1: we need to be more creative in our bedmaking. I

974
00:59:33,400 --> 00:59:35,560
Speaker 1: get it. I get it. Plus you two are like

975
00:59:35,640 --> 00:59:38,959
Speaker 1: both only children. I think like having your own blank

976
00:59:39,040 --> 00:59:43,880
Speaker 1: ese is totally cool. Yeah, and then why do you

977
00:59:43,880 --> 00:59:45,800
Speaker 1: have kids, because that's a whole that's a whole reason.

978
00:59:46,320 --> 00:59:49,680
Speaker 1: I know what we do do that is quite funny

979
00:59:49,880 --> 00:59:52,280
Speaker 1: is I love to sleep under a weighted blanket because

980
00:59:52,320 --> 00:59:55,080
Speaker 1: I have tremendous anxiety and it calms me. I'm like,

981
00:59:55,120 --> 00:59:58,320
Speaker 1: if you've ever read Temple Grandin's studies on farm animals,

982
00:59:58,360 --> 01:00:00,920
Speaker 1: you'll know that to be squeezed lowers anxiety and animals

983
01:00:00,920 --> 01:00:04,320
Speaker 1: and in humans. And so I sleep under a weighted blanket,

984
01:00:04,400 --> 01:00:08,640
Speaker 1: and a weighted blanket is Grant's worst nightmare. He is

985
01:00:08,680 --> 01:00:12,640
Speaker 1: like that that is my it's evil. I hate it.

986
01:00:13,040 --> 01:00:16,520
Speaker 1: So what we said, that's heaven. Oh my god, it's

987
01:00:16,560 --> 01:00:20,080
Speaker 1: my heaven. We're just like heavy, a nice heavy blanket.

988
01:00:20,120 --> 01:00:22,640
Speaker 1: It's like it's like it's just like a nice it's

989
01:00:22,680 --> 01:00:25,720
Speaker 1: a nice touch. And so what we do now is

990
01:00:25,720 --> 01:00:28,800
Speaker 1: the weighted blanket is on one third of the bed,

991
01:00:29,960 --> 01:00:32,160
Speaker 1: like all the way on the right side, one third

992
01:00:32,200 --> 01:00:33,720
Speaker 1: from the bottom of the bed up to the top

993
01:00:33,720 --> 01:00:36,360
Speaker 1: of the cover's weighted blanket, and then there's two thirds

994
01:00:36,360 --> 01:00:38,800
Speaker 1: of the bed that's uncovered, so I can cuddle with

995
01:00:38,880 --> 01:00:41,520
Speaker 1: him in the two thirds of the uncovered bed. And

996
01:00:41,560 --> 01:00:44,360
Speaker 1: then when we're both like about to follow, I scooch.

997
01:00:44,720 --> 01:00:47,720
Speaker 1: I retreat over under the weighted blanket, but it doesn't

998
01:00:47,800 --> 01:00:50,200
Speaker 1: get on his legs because he hates it. There's no

999
01:00:50,320 --> 01:00:53,560
Speaker 1: retreating on a round bed, like there's not an edge.

1000
01:00:53,640 --> 01:00:56,680
Speaker 1: You just fall off. By the way, where are your

1001
01:00:56,720 --> 01:01:00,520
Speaker 1: feet supposed to go? They're gonna dangle off the curved No,

1002
01:01:00,760 --> 01:01:04,439
Speaker 1: it's totally totally non functional. I feel like the only

1003
01:01:04,480 --> 01:01:06,000
Speaker 1: way to sleep on a round bed is to sleep

1004
01:01:06,000 --> 01:01:08,200
Speaker 1: in the fetal position at all times, which is not

1005
01:01:08,240 --> 01:01:11,760
Speaker 1: good for your back. Or just be a single person,

1006
01:01:11,880 --> 01:01:17,959
Speaker 1: one person in one single you're just like a starfish.

1007
01:01:17,160 --> 01:01:21,280
Speaker 1: A round bed is for when you go through a

1008
01:01:21,280 --> 01:01:24,160
Speaker 1: breakup and you're happy about it and you're like, it's mine.

1009
01:01:25,240 --> 01:01:28,120
Speaker 1: Start now. Here's what I need for us to do

1010
01:01:28,400 --> 01:01:31,200
Speaker 1: is take the video you acting out all of those

1011
01:01:31,240 --> 01:01:34,640
Speaker 1: things right now, but mute it and then just run

1012
01:01:34,720 --> 01:01:40,240
Speaker 1: the tape. Start that and this and this the mold

1013
01:01:40,320 --> 01:01:51,840
Speaker 1: making shuffling. Oh my god, guys, we have a question

1014
01:01:51,920 --> 01:01:55,480
Speaker 1: from Dana. She says, did you all make a playlist

1015
01:01:55,480 --> 01:01:58,280
Speaker 1: together for the drama Queens RV Road Trip? And what

1016
01:01:58,360 --> 01:02:00,560
Speaker 1: are some of the songs you played to get you hyped?

1017
01:02:00,600 --> 01:02:04,240
Speaker 1: For shows. We definitely had some Abba and that we

1018
01:02:04,280 --> 01:02:06,040
Speaker 1: didn't make a play but we had a we had

1019
01:02:06,040 --> 01:02:09,320
Speaker 1: a DJ, and yeah, we made live to playlists every day.

1020
01:02:09,400 --> 01:02:11,840
Speaker 1: What is that when you like add songs to the queue,

1021
01:02:12,440 --> 01:02:15,200
Speaker 1: And yeah, we were doing we were doing a lot

1022
01:02:15,240 --> 01:02:19,600
Speaker 1: of like Abba show tunes. I was trying to go

1023
01:02:19,680 --> 01:02:22,680
Speaker 1: back to senior year in high school and requested Vitamin

1024
01:02:22,720 --> 01:02:27,360
Speaker 1: C graduation song and could not have been less into it.

1025
01:02:27,520 --> 01:02:30,040
Speaker 1: So I just like remember looking in the rear view

1026
01:02:30,080 --> 01:02:32,240
Speaker 1: mirror at one point and she was like, are we

1027
01:02:32,280 --> 01:02:38,160
Speaker 1: there yet? You were not of it all. I don't know, man,

1028
01:02:38,560 --> 01:02:40,960
Speaker 1: I just wanted to go back to like Abba and share.

1029
01:02:41,080 --> 01:02:44,120
Speaker 1: I'd really been feeling that vibe. I will say though,

1030
01:02:44,240 --> 01:02:47,520
Speaker 1: the other thing that I loved, because obviously we love podcasts.

1031
01:02:48,080 --> 01:02:51,800
Speaker 1: I loved that we had the perfect mix of tunes

1032
01:02:51,880 --> 01:02:54,040
Speaker 1: that we were belting and then we would get into

1033
01:02:54,080 --> 01:02:58,000
Speaker 1: podcasts and Hillary, you played us your Friends podcast Robbia

1034
01:02:58,000 --> 01:03:02,480
Speaker 1: and Ellen Solve Crime and solved the case. Okay, you

1035
01:03:02,520 --> 01:03:05,000
Speaker 1: played us your Friends podcast Robbie and Ellen Solved Case.

1036
01:03:05,560 --> 01:03:10,160
Speaker 1: I am so deeply obsessed that I've also gone down

1037
01:03:10,160 --> 01:03:12,120
Speaker 1: a rabbit hole on the case. We talked about and

1038
01:03:12,200 --> 01:03:16,240
Speaker 1: say a bunch of TikTok videos to some friends and

1039
01:03:16,280 --> 01:03:19,280
Speaker 1: I'm like, guys, you gotta listen to this podcast. It's

1040
01:03:19,320 --> 01:03:22,520
Speaker 1: so good. I must have been sleeping when this happened.

1041
01:03:22,880 --> 01:03:26,840
Speaker 1: You were definitely sleeping. Robbie and Chaudre is Um. She's

1042
01:03:26,840 --> 01:03:28,680
Speaker 1: got a book that just came out called Fatty Fatty

1043
01:03:28,720 --> 01:03:31,880
Speaker 1: Boom Boom. It's her memoir. But she is a lawyer

1044
01:03:32,160 --> 01:03:36,200
Speaker 1: who was vital in getting a non said out of prison.

1045
01:03:36,600 --> 01:03:40,000
Speaker 1: And she does a lot of exoneration work and wrongful

1046
01:03:40,000 --> 01:03:42,760
Speaker 1: conviction work. And I met her working on a wrongful

1047
01:03:42,800 --> 01:03:46,040
Speaker 1: conviction case in Tennessee. And so I love seeing other

1048
01:03:46,080 --> 01:03:50,440
Speaker 1: women out there thrive and pushed back against patriarchy and

1049
01:03:51,000 --> 01:03:54,480
Speaker 1: unjust systems. And yeah, I mean, look, if we could

1050
01:03:54,480 --> 01:03:57,120
Speaker 1: do a crossover with like chicks who are solving crimes,

1051
01:03:57,520 --> 01:04:01,280
Speaker 1: will be drama crime Queen all day, give it to

1052
01:04:01,360 --> 01:04:06,280
Speaker 1: a day. I'm so in Yeah, yeah man Um, Well

1053
01:04:06,280 --> 01:04:09,120
Speaker 1: thank you for your question, Dana. Yeah. Should we's been

1054
01:04:09,120 --> 01:04:11,800
Speaker 1: a wheel? That's been a wheel? What if it's so?

1055
01:04:11,960 --> 01:04:14,040
Speaker 1: What if it's who's most likely it's solved true crimes?

1056
01:04:14,080 --> 01:04:19,480
Speaker 1: I would die solid crimes? Is the wheel listening to us?

1057
01:04:19,480 --> 01:04:21,880
Speaker 1: Oh my God, don't be a creep wheel, don't be

1058
01:04:21,920 --> 01:04:26,720
Speaker 1: a Darren. Who's most likely to travel to space? Who's

1059
01:04:26,760 --> 01:04:33,480
Speaker 1: the richest? I am our boss made all the money

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Speaker 1: on our show? Unfortunately? Andy? Answer, Andy, Andy's the right answer.

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Speaker 1: I mean, look, what is if money wasn't an option? Right? Yeah,

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Speaker 1: not an option. Did you see that thing that William

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Speaker 1: Shatner said about seeing Earth from space and how he

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Speaker 1: thought it was going to be the best moment of

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Speaker 1: his life and instead it made him so incredibly sad.

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Speaker 1: Wait why really? He was, like, it just made me

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Speaker 1: realize that we were squandering the most beautiful thing I've

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Speaker 1: ever seen in my life. Like it was to have

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Speaker 1: someone whose entire career has been space oriented finally like

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Speaker 1: do the thing and then have it made him feel remorseful,

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Speaker 1: I guess, or just like an element of grief. I

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Speaker 1: was really taken aback by that. That's surprising. Yeah, as

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Speaker 1: a Ray Bradberry fan, I always thought like, yeah, we'll

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Speaker 1: go live on Mars. That sounds dope, Yeah, I'll go

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Speaker 1: do that. But I think it's really interesting that that point, right,

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Speaker 1: because you know, I've I've listened to a couple of

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Speaker 1: astronauts on podcasts as well who said that it when

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Speaker 1: you really see the Earth out there and you realize

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Speaker 1: what's here, like what is on this planet and you

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Speaker 1: just see the rest of space, there's just like rocks

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Speaker 1: out there in the empty You go, how how are

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Speaker 1: we still fighting over things? How are we not all

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Speaker 1: on the same team? How are we not protecting this planet?

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Speaker 1: Like it's a miracle. And so I feel that, you know,

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Speaker 1: the when you look around and you go like, man,

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Speaker 1: we're still missing it after all this time, Like aren't

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Speaker 1: we supposed to be smarter, be nice to each other everyone.

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Speaker 1: I like things that make me feel small. I think

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Speaker 1: it's one of the reasons. And also things that just

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Speaker 1: remind me I'm like a cog in the wheel. I

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Speaker 1: think that's why I've always been attracted to um antique

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Speaker 1: stores and having things in my home that are that

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Speaker 1: have history, because it's like a sort of subconscious reminder

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Speaker 1: that there was a whole life and world and many

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Speaker 1: many thousands and thousands of civilization years of civilization before

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Speaker 1: this moment right now and there you know, hopefully we'll

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Speaker 1: be many more in the future. And I'm just like

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Speaker 1: I'm a blip on the radar. Well, I found the

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Speaker 1: exact quote, he says, it was among the strongest feelings

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Speaker 1: of grief I have ever encountered. The trassed between the

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Speaker 1: vicious coldness of space and the warm nurturing of Earth

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Speaker 1: below filled me with overwhelming sadness. Every day we are

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Speaker 1: confronted with the knowledge of further destruction of Earth at

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Speaker 1: our hands, the extinction of animal species, of flora and fauna,

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Speaker 1: things that took five billion years to evolve, and suddenly

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Speaker 1: we will never see them again because of the interference

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Speaker 1: of mankind. It filled me with dread. My trip to

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Speaker 1: space was supposed to be a celebration. Instead it felt

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Speaker 1: like a funeral. Willie William Shatner. Then you know what,

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Speaker 1: I'm glad we made a TV show that's about mankind

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Speaker 1: trying to be nice to each other. You know, I mean, like,

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Speaker 1: for all the dorkiness of One Tree Hill, for all

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Speaker 1: of our missteps. If we are going to be here

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Speaker 1: for a blip, like, let's make let's make a warm hug.

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Speaker 1: You Also, thanks for joining us. I didn't know William

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Speaker 1: Shatner was so poetic and I'm so touched. Oh yeah, well,

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Speaker 1: let's go make some more loving content. Guys. Let's do

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Speaker 1: it all right. We will see you guys next week.

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Speaker 1: Oh my god, this title is awful and perfect. Oh no,

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Speaker 1: Season four, Episode five, I love you, but I have

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Speaker 1: chosen darkness. Done, don't do by everybody, by y'all. Hey,

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