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Speaker 1: Welcome to the naughdy, but I share I'm your host,

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Speaker 1: Rub Shooter, and it is Thursday, which means our dear

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Speaker 1: friend Mark Lupo joins us. Hey, LUPI, are you there?

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Speaker 1: Loopy Lou is here, Loopy Lou looking adorable. Hey, we

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Speaker 1: have some breaking news before we even get into the show.

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Speaker 1: It's so packed with gossip today. Kim Cattrell Samantha is

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Speaker 1: returning to Sex and the City, and just like that

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Speaker 1: season two, HBO has confirmed booze. So let's all have

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Speaker 1: a little trip down memory lane here. Kim, who famously

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Speaker 1: fell out with Sarah Jessica Parker, has returned for a very,

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Speaker 1: very small little cameo. It's really being accurate here, She's

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Speaker 1: not really back, so a spokesperson for HBO Max has

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Speaker 1: confirmed the appearance. Notice again, it's an appearance. What I'm

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Speaker 1: told is it's really hush her ship. It's a cameo,

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Speaker 1: and her name was not even on the call sheets,

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Speaker 1: so there was no paper trail. The staffers were shocked

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Speaker 1: but intrigued about how are they're going to write Samantha

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Speaker 1: back into the show. Let me tell you what happened.

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Speaker 1: It's a little bit of a spoiler if you want

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Speaker 1: to turn me down for a moment. She taped a

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Speaker 1: less than five minutes scene in the back of a limo.

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Speaker 1: I imagine her phone rings, I imagine it's carry I

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Speaker 1: imagine there's a conversation. But Kim and Sarah did not

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Speaker 1: work together that day. It was a solo job of Kim.

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Speaker 1: It took her less than a couple of hours to film.

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Speaker 1: In the end, I know a couple of hours sounds

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Speaker 1: a long time, but out of a couple of hours,

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Speaker 1: they probably got three minutes of footage, maybe two minutes.

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Speaker 1: She was not with anybody else. And the reason they

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Speaker 1: kept in a secret is she didn't use the crew

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Speaker 1: like it was a really small crew because she was

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Speaker 1: just in the back of her car. They blacked out

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Speaker 1: the windows, her phone rings. It's Samantha Jones. I'm told

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Speaker 1: she got paid a gizzly dollars to do five minutes

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Speaker 1: of work. What do you think.

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Speaker 2: I'm absolutely obsessed with the story. I can't wait. You know,

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Speaker 2: I love the reboot. It's funding to watch and to

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Speaker 2: know that Samantha Jones is making the appearance. It creates

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Speaker 2: this excitement that I didn't think I had it. I'm

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I went off it a little bit. I enjoyed

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Speaker 1: the reboot, but I sort of missed the four of

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Speaker 1: them together, all the girls. I like seeing them growing up.

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Speaker 1: I think that's sort of fun to see too. It's

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Speaker 1: very sexual this one. I mean, I guess the original

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Speaker 1: was very very racy too, But I do enjoy it.

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Speaker 1: And I know they're trying to add more characters to

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Speaker 1: a bit annoying for me. The show is at it's

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Speaker 1: best when it focused on the four ladies and their

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Speaker 1: gay best friends. That was my real favorite part of

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Speaker 1: the show. So the fact that Kim is coming back

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Speaker 1: for a cameo has made me excited too. And I know,

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Speaker 1: I know, I've just explained the reality it's less than

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Speaker 1: three or four minutes, but that doesn't matter. Just now,

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Speaker 1: it opens the possibility, the door that maybe Kim could

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Speaker 1: come back. Let me ask you. We know Kim Catrell,

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Speaker 1: we know Sarah. We've worked around these ladies. The feud

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Speaker 1: was real. They really didn't like each other. Now Sarah

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Speaker 1: says it wasn't really a feud or a catfight because

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Speaker 1: it was only one sided, but deep down. Let's be

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Speaker 1: honest here by Sarah. Sources say she might pretend to

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Speaker 1: like Kim, but really when they did the show, they

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Speaker 1: didn't get along. We've all had this. There's somebody in

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Speaker 1: your office, my office that just gets on my nerves,

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Speaker 1: somebody that I don't really like that much, but I

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Speaker 1: find that a way to work with them. These ladies

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Speaker 1: work together anymore. What do you think changed apart from

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Speaker 1: the boatload of cash? Do you think Kim Cattrell wants

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Speaker 2: It's such a good question because she's been so clear

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Speaker 2: that she would never return, and she said it men

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Speaker 2: many times, and she said that the show. You know,

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Speaker 2: for years they didn't get along, they didn't talk. She

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Speaker 2: and said I'm sorry, she was like, don't you know,

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Speaker 2: contact my family, don't use me. So this is where

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Speaker 2: I'm like, wait, what had happened?

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Speaker 1: Nasty? Yeah, something, it's nasty. Something happened. I hit the

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Speaker 1: And I said to somebody really close to Kim, and

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Speaker 1: I was like, is she afraid that this is going

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Speaker 1: side here. So what my source tells me is Kim

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Speaker 1: is giggling that they've worked their bottoms off for months

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Speaker 1: taping season two and Kim turned up and did five minutes.

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Speaker 1: I'm all talking about Kim, Like, probably we wouldn't be

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Speaker 1: so I think that's the reason she's doing this, and

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Speaker 1: it really worked. I'm not talking about Sarah Jessica, I'm

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Speaker 1: not talking about Carrie Bradshaw's fashion. I'm not talking about

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Speaker 1: who she's dating. What is she back with? Adn't no.

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Speaker 2: I mean, there is something about the series that just

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Speaker 1: Sex.

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Speaker 2: That's where it was missing. The sex in the city.

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Speaker 2: Where is Kim?

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Speaker 1: That's the sex. Kim was the sex in the city.

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Speaker 1: It was Kim. I can't wait. Hey, what time is it,

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Speaker 1: my friends? I know we've already really jumped into the show.

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Speaker 1: It is tea time on Earth. Prince Harry interview from

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Speaker 1: twenty seventeen is revealing that he always wanted to get

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Speaker 1: out of the family, but he stayed for one reason.

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Speaker 1: So this interview that we hadn't heard before was taped

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Speaker 1: in twenty and seventeen, and then the Prince spoke about

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Speaker 1: all the way back six years ago. Harry commented that

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Speaker 1: which really brings up the question mark, have we all

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Speaker 2: I think that's a great point. I think Meghan is

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Speaker 2: he said the happiest time in his life was when

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Speaker 2: he was serving the army because he was just Harry.

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Speaker 2: He was not a prince, he was one of many,

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Speaker 2: So I yeah, and Megan, she's not innocent in this either.

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Speaker 2: But I think Harry wanted.

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Speaker 1: Out for a long time, a royal source of mindset.

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Speaker 1: If it wasn't Meghan it would have been another person

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Speaker 1: his existence. He wanted somebody who could get him out,

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Speaker 1: question is do we owe Megan Markle an apology? Do

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Speaker 1: we apology? Do you know who probably unearthed this interview?

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Speaker 1: We got to get this interview up? So what do

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Speaker 1: Nice rob Out facebook page is already gossip. I'm sure

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Speaker 1: what are you working on?

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Speaker 2: Let's talk about Teresa ju days.

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Speaker 1: Please sluppy happy.

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Speaker 2: So Teresa ju Days's believes her sister in law unlessa,

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Speaker 2: we're it's partly responsible for putting her in jail, not

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Speaker 2: Caroline Man's. It's ridiculous. So we know Melissa is strongly

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Speaker 2: than dying any involvement in Teresa's fraud indicatement and subsequent

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Speaker 2: prison sentence. But in the reunion special that just Airedeesa

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Speaker 2: said quote, I want everyone to hear this because we're

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Speaker 2: bringing us all out because this is over after today.

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Speaker 2: She would have to say that Jack and Laurita told

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Speaker 1: Oh, Jacqueline stir in the pot.

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Speaker 2: She want to say that Melissa Gorga had known one

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Speaker 2: of Joe's ex business partners, and Melissa said, quote, I

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Speaker 2: don't even know Joe Judas's ex partner, No, doll, I don't. Hmm,

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Speaker 2: what do you think is going on here? Rob?

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Speaker 1: Do you know who put you in jail? Teresa? Who

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Speaker 1: you you? Exactly? Nobody else did it by Somebody might

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Speaker 1: And so I think it's so interesting when people do

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Speaker 1: that did it. And so like Teresa, you committed the crime.

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Speaker 1: So we can say that because you went to you

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Speaker 1: not Caroline Manzaux, It's not Melissa, it's you. You did it,

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Speaker 1: and somebody might have alerted the police. Or how about this,

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Speaker 1: what about if a victim, somebody that you stole from,

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Speaker 1: wouldn't they call the authorities? If I did work on

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Speaker 1: the bills, I wouldn't just disappear like, ohps, well that's

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Speaker 1: the end of that. I can't get my money. And

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Speaker 1: so that's what happened here. Now Mina Melissa helped this along.

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Speaker 1: Who knows? Mina Caroline, who knows? But I actually doubt

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Speaker 1: it because it's not like the police are gonna say,

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Speaker 1: or we found out about this crime. Let's call the

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Speaker 1: cast of the Real Housewife. They're not, you know, that

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Speaker 1: isn't how they work. They find witnesses, they find people

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Speaker 1: who had been ripped off. Had Teresa ripped off Melissa

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Speaker 1: them reported her for ripping them off. What Teresa's doing

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Speaker 1: It's you, tercy and naughty devil. You should be the

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Speaker 2: And I think, you know, one day they'll bet that

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Speaker 1: Fans are convinced the divorce rumors about Harry and Meggin

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Speaker 1: our Noises of the no.

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Speaker 2: This one took me by surprise.

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Speaker 1: Rob.

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Speaker 2: It's Andy Cohen. Andy Cohen is coming to Vendor Pump

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Speaker 2: Rules star Tom Seneval's defense after fans have to continue

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Speaker 2: to pile on hate towards him now, and he said, quote,

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Speaker 2: He's a real person. He did something stupid and hurtful

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