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Speaker 1: The Book of Joe Podcast is a production of iHeartRadio.

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Speaker 1: Hey thereon, Welcome Back to the Book of Joe Podcast

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Speaker 1: with Me, Tom Berducci and Joe Madden.

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Speaker 2: Hey Joe, we got a ton to talk about.

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Speaker 1: We have to talk about a baseball game played inside

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Speaker 1: a racetrack. We've got trade deadline fallout, We've got the

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Speaker 1: most amazing home run of the week we have to

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Speaker 1: talk about. But I think we started here before, Joe.

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Speaker 1: We have to start with the New York Yankees. Have

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Speaker 1: you been watching this club?

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Speaker 3: I have. It's been very interesting to watch it. It's

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Speaker 3: just so you know, there's talent there, obviously, but there's

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Speaker 3: still like a disjointed method of play on their part.

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Speaker 3: I know they've been criticized openly by Jeter and Aird

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Speaker 3: on television. Actually, I had an answer to those questions

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Speaker 3: today about accountability and how do you handle it from

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Speaker 3: the outside in. It's tough. I mean, Boonie's got a

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Speaker 3: really hard job. And the New York Post today in

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Speaker 3: his regards to his defense what was going on and

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Speaker 3: basically what he was saying there in a nicer way,

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Speaker 3: And I've always adhere to the same concepts pranks publicly

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Speaker 3: and criticized privately. I'm sure he has talked to these

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Speaker 3: guys in the more severe tones when he's in the

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Speaker 3: clubhouse or in his office. That's what I would do.

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Speaker 3: I mean, actually had sports writers early, not early on,

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Speaker 3: just throughout my career. Sometimes they would accuse me of

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Speaker 3: not being tough enough, or not being more accountable, you know,

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Speaker 3: to the newspapers whatever. We're calling people out. And I

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Speaker 3: told him I won't do that, but I'll do that privately,

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Speaker 3: and I did so. I want to believe that Boonie

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Speaker 3: has had some more severe conversations with these guys because

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Speaker 3: the mistakes really a lot of mental mistakes, even more

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Speaker 3: than physical mistakes. I consider them mental. They look physical,

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Speaker 3: but a lot of times they are mental. And that's

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Speaker 3: just a matter of focus and bhunos or your mind

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Speaker 3: drifts off to when you're not when you have not

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Speaker 3: been successful at the player made me make a mistake

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Speaker 3: on the field or pitching wise too, But it's just

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Speaker 3: truly a lot of mental mistakes, and those are the

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Speaker 3: ones that beat up.

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Speaker 1: All right, I'm glad you brought it up, because let's

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Speaker 1: really we need to dive into this from the manager's perspective.

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Speaker 2: Players make mistakes. We get that. It's how it's handled. Now. Listen,

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Speaker 2: I'm a fan of Pat Murphy.

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Speaker 1: If Joey Ortiz is making poor swing decisions, he's going

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Speaker 1: to call him out and say, you know what, he's

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Speaker 1: sitting today because he's been making poor swing decisions. If

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Speaker 1: some of his guys are making poor base running decisions,

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Speaker 1: he's going to acknowledge that. He's not going to sugarcoat it,

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Speaker 1: and sometimes it's going to cost a guy a game

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Speaker 2: I like that. I don't think we should be beyond.

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Speaker 2: And it's not a criticism.

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Speaker 1: It's saying there's a standard that we hold here and

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Speaker 1: there is accountability publicly.

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Speaker 2: So when I look at Aaron Boone, I agree with you. Joe.

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Speaker 1: I'm sure privately these things are being aggressed. Don't get

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Speaker 1: me wrong here, but I want to take it back

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Speaker 1: to the play by Jazz Chisholm on the pop up. Okay,

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Speaker 1: Jess said that he thought the second basement Edwards was

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Speaker 2: Okay, here's a question for you, Joe.

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Speaker 1: How many times has an infielder let a pop up

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Speaker 1: fall and the run around first base got the second

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Speaker 1: base safely? How many times have you seen that in

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Speaker 3: Well, it's not under those circumstances and can have zero s.

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Speaker 1: Just Chisholm's explanation does not make sense. You cannot defend

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Speaker 1: that decision making. And Aaron Boone did. He knows it's wrong.

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Speaker 1: And I didn't like the fact that instead of getting

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Speaker 1: and that was public Joe.

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Speaker 2: If you look at the Doug out there, he's calling.

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Speaker 1: Out his first base coach. That's a poor base running decision.

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Speaker 1: I'm sorry. If even if the second baseman wants to

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Speaker 1: get doubled up. That's exactly what happened. You cannot defend

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Speaker 1: it by saying there was thoughtfulness behind it. It was

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Speaker 1: a bad thought It was bad base running. Why he

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Speaker 3: Well, you're right, I mean, you acknowledge what had happen.

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Speaker 3: My point is the conversation that you might have with

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Speaker 3: on in a negative manner about the player, but absolutely

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Speaker 3: you have to concede that, Listen, that was bad. We

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Speaker 3: I did see him admonish the base coach in the dugout,

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Speaker 3: and that to me, that never goes over. Well. I

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Speaker 3: don't think I've ever done that where a player on

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Speaker 3: the coach and automatically started to get in his face

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Speaker 3: about something. I could say zero times that I did that.

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Speaker 3: I have so much respect for coaches, and in a

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Speaker 3: situation like that, you do the player made that decision

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Speaker 3: first base coach. So you're right. I'm not disputing that. Yes,

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Speaker 3: you admit to what the mistake was and how it

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Speaker 3: then my point is that if you have to get

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Speaker 3: from the public, and you get the guy in your

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Speaker 3: Some point. Sometimes David Martinez, and I keep referring to

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Speaker 3: because Davey would handle that in advance of anybody else

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Speaker 3: getting to Sometimes the veteran player, he just watches it

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Speaker 3: the dugout. He approaches the player before he ever gets

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Speaker 3: lot of times that is what does occur. But you're

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Speaker 3: right not denying that, admit to the mistake. But then

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Speaker 3: I think for me, I wanted to have that private

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Speaker 1: I think the bottom line here though, and I like

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Speaker 1: As I said, I do think he's addressing things privately.

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Speaker 1: I have no problem with that. That's the way to go.

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Speaker 1: But I think his job here, and this is not

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Speaker 2: Right.

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Speaker 1: This is the Yankees team over the last fifty seven games,

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Speaker 1: that's more than one third of the season, is twenty

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Speaker 2: So whatever is.

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Speaker 1: Happening right now, and this is probably not a fundamentally

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Speaker 1: here to just change the tenor of how the Yankees

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Speaker 1: are playing baseball. I can't tell you I know what

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Speaker 1: that is, Joe. You've been in these situations. Sometimes it's levity,

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Speaker 1: sometimes it's getting guys out there early. But I'm telling

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Speaker 3: It's not levity, and this situation wouldn't be levity for me.

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Speaker 3: For me, it's like, when you get to this point,

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Speaker 3: I would always reference back to what we talked about

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Speaker 3: in spring training, and furthermore, I talked about this. I'd

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Speaker 3: come out in the beginning of the second half. You

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Speaker 3: start going through your spring training drills, when you get

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Speaker 3: at home. When you're at home, you come out a

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Speaker 3: like with individual players. What I liked what I used

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Speaker 3: and I would have the infield coach talk about, Okay,

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Speaker 3: same thing. I mean, you see pictures throwing poorly to

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Speaker 3: it worked as he was able to stop runners from advancing.

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Speaker 3: But that's how how I liked to do things. Was

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Speaker 3: a matter of meetings. Coaching the coaches, I think is

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Speaker 3: then beyond that, you'll know when thinks are slipping. And

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Speaker 3: I like to reference spring training again and everything we

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Speaker 3: Why you're at home ten game homestand or let's just

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Speaker 3: it could be the position players in entirety, but definitely

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Speaker 3: the pitchers out there going through some PfP. They don't

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Speaker 1: I like the idea of reinforcing the fundamentals the message

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Speaker 1: you said spring training, you just don't leave it there, right,

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Speaker 1: it's a god reminder.

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Speaker 1: I don't think they're going to turn the Yankees into

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Speaker 1: a great defensive team over tonight. You know, a question

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Speaker 1: of how good or bad the Yankees are defensively, it's debatable.

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Speaker 2: I mean, I don't know how you feel about defensive metrics.

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Speaker 3: Joe.

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Speaker 2: But you can find anything.

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Speaker 1: To back up whatever position you're you know you want

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Speaker 1: to establish. For the Yankees, for instance, defensive efficiency, that's

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Speaker 1: the percentage of balls and play that you turn into outs.

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Speaker 1: Not bad, there's seventh in Baseball. Defensive run saved, they're eleventh.

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Speaker 1: But out above average, which is the stat cast measurement,

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Speaker 1: they're twenty first. I think it's probably more of where

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Speaker 1: they lie. I think they're a back half defensive team.

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Speaker 1: I don't think they're an upper half Major League Baseball

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Speaker 1: defensive team. The teams the metrics like defensively Texas, the Cubs,

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Speaker 1: the Braves, and the Brewers. That makes sense to my eyes, Joe,

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Speaker 1: when I look at defensive teams who played defense really well.

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Speaker 1: I like Milwaukee a lot, I like the Cubs a lot,

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Speaker 1: and those metrics show up. For the Yankees, I just

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Speaker 1: don't think that's the way they win. And let's face it,

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Speaker 1: without Aaron Judge, who you know, he's the big difference maker.

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Speaker 1: You can make some mistakes on the basis and defensively,

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Speaker 1: Judge is coming back this week, and here's a question

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Speaker 1: There were forty relief pitchers who were traded in the

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Speaker 1: I want to continue the discussion about trade deadline fallout,

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Speaker 2: Welcome back to the Book of Joe.

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Speaker 1: Joe, I'm not sure what you thought of Detroit and

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Speaker 2: They kind of stayed away from that aisle.

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Speaker 1: This is a team now in the last twenty games

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Speaker 3: they came on, they were the darlings, they kept Schooble

434
00:19:32,358 --> 00:19:34,238
Speaker 3: and all of a sudden things started rolling in the

435
00:19:34,318 --> 00:19:37,478
Speaker 3: right direction. Turklesen this year got off to a great start.

436
00:19:37,598 --> 00:19:40,198
Speaker 3: They know, different guys begin to surface. Hobby made a

437
00:19:40,278 --> 00:19:42,798
Speaker 3: nice comeback, and they have a bunch of guys in there.

438
00:19:42,798 --> 00:19:44,238
Speaker 3: They look like a bunch of gamers. To me. They

439
00:19:44,238 --> 00:19:46,398
Speaker 3: played the game hard, they played the game right. But

440
00:19:46,718 --> 00:19:48,878
Speaker 3: when you make that dramatic shift at the end of

441
00:19:48,878 --> 00:19:50,718
Speaker 3: the season, you have to carry it over to the

442
00:19:50,758 --> 00:19:54,358
Speaker 3: next year also obviously and finish off, which you didn't

443
00:19:54,358 --> 00:19:56,078
Speaker 3: get done the year before. And apparently they're having a

444
00:19:56,078 --> 00:19:58,998
Speaker 3: difficult time with that right now. I watch them on occasion.

445
00:19:59,038 --> 00:20:02,198
Speaker 3: I do watch them, and I do find them interesting.

446
00:20:02,238 --> 00:20:05,438
Speaker 3: It's like they're just could I say, they don't know

447
00:20:05,558 --> 00:20:07,478
Speaker 3: that they're trying to figure out how to get this

448
00:20:07,558 --> 00:20:09,678
Speaker 3: whatever it was, that little edge back that they had

449
00:20:09,718 --> 00:20:12,438
Speaker 3: for a bit because everything went right, everything went right

450
00:20:12,478 --> 00:20:14,718
Speaker 3: through the Darlings. They started out this year the same way.

451
00:20:14,998 --> 00:20:17,238
Speaker 3: I think it's more of an internal feeling as much

452
00:20:17,238 --> 00:20:20,198
Speaker 3: as anything, not only to pay prices for different pictures

453
00:20:20,198 --> 00:20:22,918
Speaker 3: and having confidence in your own methods. I'm okay with that,

454
00:20:23,238 --> 00:20:24,998
Speaker 3: I really am, because I've been part of teams and

455
00:20:25,038 --> 00:20:27,638
Speaker 3: situations where with the race we never had it on.

456
00:20:27,878 --> 00:20:29,638
Speaker 3: I mean, we had, like Chad Bradford. The one year

457
00:20:29,678 --> 00:20:33,238
Speaker 3: was a big acquisition for us, So I don't know

458
00:20:33,278 --> 00:20:35,718
Speaker 3: that I'm so concerned about that. I like the idea

459
00:20:35,758 --> 00:20:37,878
Speaker 3: that they believe in themselves. However, it's just a kind

460
00:20:37,878 --> 00:20:40,718
Speaker 3: of a scramble mode right now. Because they were the Darlings,

461
00:20:40,878 --> 00:20:43,598
Speaker 3: they were on fire. Now they're not, and it's really

462
00:20:43,678 --> 00:20:46,118
Speaker 3: hard to turn this thing around when it starts running

463
00:20:46,118 --> 00:20:49,158
Speaker 3: in the other direction. So they're just I'm just curious

464
00:20:49,158 --> 00:20:50,798
Speaker 3: to say they're going to get themselves out of this.

465
00:20:50,918 --> 00:20:53,678
Speaker 3: But I do like the idea that they believe in

466
00:20:53,718 --> 00:20:55,318
Speaker 3: their methods and we'll sell it plays out.

467
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Speaker 1: Yeah, they are, by the way, thirty two and thirty

468
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Speaker 1: one against teams with winning records. That's the worst of

469
00:21:00,918 --> 00:21:03,798
Speaker 1: all the division leaders. The six Division leaders.

470
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Speaker 2: And the schedule is really favorable right now.

471
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Speaker 1: Their next thirteen games seven against the Twins, three against

472
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Speaker 1: the White Sox, and three against the Angels.

473
00:21:13,398 --> 00:21:15,318
Speaker 2: So he got a chance to get healthy here in

474
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Speaker 2: the next week and a half.

475
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Speaker 1: Maybe the Seattle Mariners are the best team in the

476
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Speaker 1: American League, Joe, I mean I can buy that. You know,

477
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Speaker 1: I need to see a little more of it, but

478
00:21:23,038 --> 00:21:25,638
Speaker 1: I think I love what they did adding cornerbats with

479
00:21:25,838 --> 00:21:29,598
Speaker 1: Suarez and Naylor, and we know about their pitching, and

480
00:21:30,198 --> 00:21:32,318
Speaker 1: I like this Seattle team. I like the way they're playing.

481
00:21:32,358 --> 00:21:34,638
Speaker 1: I think they can run down the Houston Astros line up.

482
00:21:34,678 --> 00:21:37,318
Speaker 1: To me, Joe is now deep that you know, the

483
00:21:37,358 --> 00:21:39,158
Speaker 1: guys in the back half of the lineup, and Can Zone

484
00:21:39,198 --> 00:21:41,438
Speaker 1: has been hitting for them as well. It's a much

485
00:21:41,438 --> 00:21:43,918
Speaker 1: deeper lineup than than we thought the first three months

486
00:21:43,918 --> 00:21:44,438
Speaker 1: of the season.

487
00:21:44,878 --> 00:21:47,238
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's that's something that they've kind of been lacking

488
00:21:47,238 --> 00:21:51,198
Speaker 3: of it. But Rodriguez really reascending right now. Suarez, if

489
00:21:51,238 --> 00:21:54,598
Speaker 3: he catches fire, obviously it's a different ballpark now. Hitting

490
00:21:54,678 --> 00:21:56,038
Speaker 3: up there as a post where he had been some

491
00:21:56,238 --> 00:21:58,718
Speaker 3: curious about that. Rose Rain is the guy that he

492
00:21:58,758 --> 00:22:00,798
Speaker 3: seems to have caught his swike back. Every time I

493
00:22:00,878 --> 00:22:03,878
Speaker 3: watch he seems to be doing something good, hitting the

494
00:22:03,998 --> 00:22:06,558
Speaker 3: all far and he's got that little folded arm thing

495
00:22:06,558 --> 00:22:09,238
Speaker 3: and he's bringing his energy to the to the field.

496
00:22:09,278 --> 00:22:11,918
Speaker 3: That Rawley's the guy that I was surprised that he

497
00:22:12,038 --> 00:22:14,078
Speaker 3: did that, and I don't know, I can't take the

498
00:22:14,078 --> 00:22:15,718
Speaker 3: directord that it had anything to do with it, but

499
00:22:15,758 --> 00:22:18,358
Speaker 3: he's just slowed down a bit. That's just a real

500
00:22:18,478 --> 00:22:21,878
Speaker 3: taxing moment physically and emotionally. I love this guy. I mean,

501
00:22:21,998 --> 00:22:23,918
Speaker 3: I've liked him from the first time I saw him

502
00:22:23,998 --> 00:22:25,838
Speaker 3: with Demerits when I was still with the Angels and

503
00:22:25,958 --> 00:22:28,038
Speaker 3: leaned over to Maddie Wise and he said, that is

504
00:22:28,078 --> 00:22:30,718
Speaker 3: some really great bat speed. I thought I didn't even

505
00:22:30,758 --> 00:22:31,998
Speaker 3: know how good of a catcher he was going to

506
00:22:31,998 --> 00:22:34,158
Speaker 3: be at that time. So they got that position wrap

507
00:22:34,198 --> 00:22:35,718
Speaker 3: and I think he's going to come on strong at

508
00:22:35,718 --> 00:22:41,038
Speaker 3: the end. But overall, they wonderful pitching. Absolutely. I like Crawford.

509
00:22:41,678 --> 00:22:43,558
Speaker 3: There's a lot of guys I do like on that team,

510
00:22:43,918 --> 00:22:47,758
Speaker 3: but for now, I think they have an opportunity to

511
00:22:47,878 --> 00:22:49,718
Speaker 3: hit like a team that has a chance, or they

512
00:22:49,758 --> 00:22:52,198
Speaker 3: can get to the playoffs this year and make some

513
00:22:52,238 --> 00:22:55,118
Speaker 3: noise to go more deeply into the playoff season.

514
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Speaker 1: And I know the Astro's got a lot of applause

515
00:22:58,758 --> 00:23:03,078
Speaker 1: for the reacquisition of Carlos Korea. The Twins are kicking

516
00:23:03,078 --> 00:23:06,158
Speaker 1: in thirty three million, so it's only costing the Astros.

517
00:23:06,158 --> 00:23:09,358
Speaker 1: I'm saying only but three years and seventy point four

518
00:23:09,398 --> 00:23:11,998
Speaker 1: million dollars, and it's about where he is when you

519
00:23:12,038 --> 00:23:14,118
Speaker 1: think about the year he was having with Minnesota, not

520
00:23:14,198 --> 00:23:18,318
Speaker 1: a great year, below average ops plus three to nineteen

521
00:23:18,358 --> 00:23:21,758
Speaker 1: on base percentage, and defensively at shortstop, he ranked as

522
00:23:22,198 --> 00:23:26,358
Speaker 1: the worst fielding shortstop in defensive runs saved minus eleven.

523
00:23:27,038 --> 00:23:30,518
Speaker 1: Jacob Wilson was second at minus nine. So he's gone

524
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Speaker 1: to third base. Listen, you think he's going to be invigorated.

525
00:23:34,158 --> 00:23:34,558
Speaker 2: I get it.

526
00:23:34,598 --> 00:23:37,078
Speaker 1: Going back into the Pennant Race in Houston, it's essentially

527
00:23:37,158 --> 00:23:38,038
Speaker 1: home for him.

528
00:23:38,438 --> 00:23:39,678
Speaker 2: I think it's a move they had to make.

529
00:23:39,998 --> 00:23:42,718
Speaker 1: But right now, I think the Seattle Mariners to me,

530
00:23:42,878 --> 00:23:44,998
Speaker 1: Joe can run down to Houston Astros. And I never

531
00:23:45,078 --> 00:23:47,278
Speaker 1: rule out the Astros because that's a team that they

532
00:23:47,318 --> 00:23:49,678
Speaker 1: know how to play the length of the season and

533
00:23:50,118 --> 00:23:51,238
Speaker 1: the postseason as well well.

534
00:23:51,238 --> 00:23:53,558
Speaker 3: I think the Mariners out acquisition them at the end

535
00:23:53,558 --> 00:23:54,878
Speaker 3: of the year right now. I mean, I like what

536
00:23:54,958 --> 00:23:57,678
Speaker 3: they did more than listen. Craze a nice player and everything,

537
00:23:57,718 --> 00:23:59,118
Speaker 3: but he isn't what he had been a couple of

538
00:23:59,158 --> 00:24:01,678
Speaker 3: years ago, at least from what I've seen. The idea

539
00:24:01,678 --> 00:24:03,158
Speaker 3: of him moving to third base is a good one

540
00:24:03,238 --> 00:24:06,438
Speaker 3: overplaying words stop the game isn't quite the same. I

541
00:24:06,478 --> 00:24:09,638
Speaker 3: think it's the reinvigoration that you're that they're counting on

542
00:24:09,718 --> 00:24:10,998
Speaker 3: the fact that he's going to go there, put that

543
00:24:11,118 --> 00:24:13,398
Speaker 3: uniform on, playing that ballparking all of a sudden, you know,

544
00:24:13,438 --> 00:24:15,358
Speaker 3: if bells and whistles are just going to show up again.

545
00:24:15,398 --> 00:24:17,838
Speaker 3: I don't know, it's it's you know, it's it's a

546
00:24:17,918 --> 00:24:20,958
Speaker 3: nice conversation to have. It's one of those conversations you

547
00:24:21,038 --> 00:24:25,078
Speaker 3: convinced one another in a in an acquisition room, and

548
00:24:25,078 --> 00:24:28,278
Speaker 3: and everybody starts agreeing with whoever has the most dominant voice.

549
00:24:28,518 --> 00:24:30,518
Speaker 3: And that sounds like that's the way may it would

550
00:24:30,518 --> 00:24:32,558
Speaker 3: have happened. But and also when you talk about the

551
00:24:32,598 --> 00:24:34,278
Speaker 3: amount of money that he's going to get, that's probably

552
00:24:34,278 --> 00:24:35,678
Speaker 3: something they thought, you listen, we would have got we

553
00:24:35,678 --> 00:24:37,038
Speaker 3: would have done that a couple of years ago with

554
00:24:37,078 --> 00:24:39,278
Speaker 3: them no problem. This is where it would have been anyway.

555
00:24:39,478 --> 00:24:41,318
Speaker 3: So I think it's for me. There's may have been

556
00:24:41,398 --> 00:24:44,078
Speaker 3: some rationalization going on there, something that we had to

557
00:24:44,118 --> 00:24:46,398
Speaker 3: do in order to keep up with the Joneses, the

558
00:24:46,438 --> 00:24:49,678
Speaker 3: acquisitions made by the Mariners, and the over our overall

559
00:24:49,718 --> 00:24:53,198
Speaker 3: depth and talent of the Mariner position players, I would

560
00:24:53,198 --> 00:24:53,838
Speaker 3: take over them.

561
00:24:54,078 --> 00:24:55,798
Speaker 1: So I'm going to put you on the spot here, Joe,

562
00:24:55,838 --> 00:24:59,318
Speaker 1: and myself as well. When we're done with October and

563
00:24:59,478 --> 00:25:02,438
Speaker 1: we look back, what are the one or two moves

564
00:25:02,598 --> 00:25:05,078
Speaker 1: we're going to say helps.

565
00:25:04,878 --> 00:25:07,358
Speaker 2: Somebody maybe win a Pennant, maybe win a World Series.

566
00:25:07,598 --> 00:25:08,598
Speaker 2: I'm going to start first.

567
00:25:08,798 --> 00:25:11,758
Speaker 1: I go to Philadelphia, adding both Harrison Bader, that was

568
00:25:11,758 --> 00:25:14,358
Speaker 1: a real need for them, right handed hitting plus defender

569
00:25:14,398 --> 00:25:17,718
Speaker 1: for their outfield, and especially yaw On Duran the closer.

570
00:25:17,998 --> 00:25:20,038
Speaker 1: I mean, you know what it's like if you're not

571
00:25:20,118 --> 00:25:23,398
Speaker 1: sure how to get that endgame going. As a manager,

572
00:25:23,678 --> 00:25:26,158
Speaker 1: it's the worst feeling in the world having that security

573
00:25:26,238 --> 00:25:28,598
Speaker 1: right now, having that lockdown to me for a team

574
00:25:28,638 --> 00:25:31,478
Speaker 1: that really needed that piece. They had paid a heavy price,

575
00:25:31,598 --> 00:25:33,758
Speaker 1: but I get it. He's under team control for the

576
00:25:33,798 --> 00:25:35,518
Speaker 1: next couple of years. You know, I could go Mason

577
00:25:35,558 --> 00:25:37,838
Speaker 1: Miller with the Padres, But I just think San Diego's

578
00:25:37,878 --> 00:25:40,638
Speaker 1: offense is not quite what Philadelphia's is. We know about

579
00:25:40,638 --> 00:25:43,558
Speaker 1: the Phillies starting pitching, just in terms of need and impact,

580
00:25:43,598 --> 00:25:45,598
Speaker 1: I'm going to go with the Phillies move well.

581
00:25:45,638 --> 00:25:47,318
Speaker 3: I just I just we just talked about it. I

582
00:25:47,638 --> 00:25:50,038
Speaker 3: do like what the Mariners did a lot, because they've

583
00:25:50,038 --> 00:25:52,118
Speaker 3: always come up a little bit short in that offensive area.

584
00:25:52,158 --> 00:25:54,478
Speaker 3: For me, it could be a tough ballpark hip and

585
00:25:54,558 --> 00:25:58,318
Speaker 3: Suarez and Naylor really that's kind of as that's kind

586
00:25:58,318 --> 00:26:00,038
Speaker 3: of gold right there for them. I mean, to get

587
00:26:00,038 --> 00:26:02,838
Speaker 3: those kind of corner guys to really solidify that group,

588
00:26:02,878 --> 00:26:05,998
Speaker 3: I know it had to have had a really energetic

589
00:26:06,078 --> 00:26:09,158
Speaker 3: positive impact on the clubhouse. When these guys walk in

590
00:26:09,198 --> 00:26:11,918
Speaker 3: the door, they're exactly what they need to get over

591
00:26:11,958 --> 00:26:14,918
Speaker 3: the hump up there. And again that's just considering and

592
00:26:14,958 --> 00:26:17,118
Speaker 3: believing that their pitch's gonna do what it had done,

593
00:26:17,478 --> 00:26:18,958
Speaker 3: has been doing, and what it is capable of doing,

594
00:26:18,998 --> 00:26:20,958
Speaker 3: which I think they will. It's kind of like it's

595
00:26:20,998 --> 00:26:23,238
Speaker 3: their time. I mean, I will send the manager. I

596
00:26:23,278 --> 00:26:24,718
Speaker 3: think he does a nice job. I think he's a

597
00:26:24,758 --> 00:26:27,678
Speaker 3: steady eddy kind of guy, and I'm betting that these

598
00:26:27,998 --> 00:26:30,838
Speaker 3: players really going to really respond to him. Well. So

599
00:26:31,038 --> 00:26:32,638
Speaker 3: I like the way he's handling things. I like when

600
00:26:32,678 --> 00:26:33,998
Speaker 3: I see him out on the field. I like the

601
00:26:33,998 --> 00:26:36,158
Speaker 3: way he looks like when he's talking to people. I

602
00:26:36,318 --> 00:26:39,078
Speaker 3: like all that stuff. So I think it's their time.

603
00:26:39,358 --> 00:26:41,958
Speaker 3: They finally may have gotten the right mix together. There

604
00:26:41,998 --> 00:26:43,998
Speaker 3: they you know, they're they're not afraid to make a move.

605
00:26:44,078 --> 00:26:47,078
Speaker 3: Obviously their depota's not afraid. But I think they finally

606
00:26:47,078 --> 00:26:48,358
Speaker 3: may have gotten the chemistry right.

607
00:26:48,838 --> 00:26:49,038
Speaker 2: Yeah.

608
00:26:49,038 --> 00:26:51,918
Speaker 1: I look at San Diego, Seattle and Milwaukee. You talk

609
00:26:51,958 --> 00:26:55,478
Speaker 1: about Hungary for a World Series championship, don't undersell that

610
00:26:55,518 --> 00:26:58,118
Speaker 1: when those teams are home in the postseason. A lot

611
00:26:58,158 --> 00:27:01,478
Speaker 1: of energy in those ballparks, besides having really good teams,

612
00:27:02,558 --> 00:27:04,718
Speaker 1: A Joe, have you ever been to a NASCAR event?

613
00:27:05,118 --> 00:27:08,958
Speaker 3: I have not. I've been one time to Daytona and

614
00:27:09,038 --> 00:27:11,958
Speaker 3: I was Downder visiting my relatives, and you were having testing.

615
00:27:12,038 --> 00:27:14,918
Speaker 3: They take out one car and one car drives around

616
00:27:15,158 --> 00:27:17,558
Speaker 3: and they test, you know, how much it spins out

617
00:27:17,638 --> 00:27:19,918
Speaker 3: or sways in the turn and all that kind of stuff.

618
00:27:20,238 --> 00:27:22,558
Speaker 3: And I mean one car. I thought to myself, my god,

619
00:27:22,598 --> 00:27:25,558
Speaker 3: this is like so powerful watching you're listening to one car.

620
00:27:25,638 --> 00:27:27,758
Speaker 3: I guess there's like thirty three in the field at

621
00:27:27,758 --> 00:27:30,118
Speaker 3: that event at that time, So I can't even imagine,

622
00:27:30,358 --> 00:27:33,278
Speaker 3: can't even imagine what that sounds it feels like, because

623
00:27:33,358 --> 00:27:35,438
Speaker 3: one I think it was a Ford zipping around that

624
00:27:36,238 --> 00:27:38,158
Speaker 3: track was unbelievably powerful.

625
00:27:38,318 --> 00:27:40,678
Speaker 1: Yeah, I got to my first and wasn't a NASCAR event.

626
00:27:41,198 --> 00:27:44,678
Speaker 1: Bristol Motor Speedway was my first trip to a NASCAR track.

627
00:27:44,758 --> 00:27:46,838
Speaker 1: And of course that's where Major League Baseball played the

628
00:27:46,838 --> 00:27:50,358
Speaker 1: Speedway Classic between the Reds and the Braves Rain the

629
00:27:50,438 --> 00:27:53,198
Speaker 1: laid game. Of course, Saturday night game became a Sunday

630
00:27:53,238 --> 00:27:57,198
Speaker 1: afternoon game. But I was blown away by the track itself, Joe,

631
00:27:57,238 --> 00:27:59,318
Speaker 1: I mean, when you're on the track, I mean, the

632
00:27:59,358 --> 00:28:02,638
Speaker 1: television does not do justice how steeply that is banked.

633
00:28:02,998 --> 00:28:06,238
Speaker 1: The banks are about twenty eight degrees. Is the third

634
00:28:06,318 --> 00:28:09,678
Speaker 1: steepest bank on the NASCAR circuit. Only Talladega and Daytona

635
00:28:09,758 --> 00:28:12,838
Speaker 1: have higher banks. It's a shorter track, it's slightly more

636
00:28:12,878 --> 00:28:15,358
Speaker 1: than a half a mile, so those dudes they're always

637
00:28:15,838 --> 00:28:16,958
Speaker 1: flying around turns.

638
00:28:16,958 --> 00:28:18,518
Speaker 2: As soon as they're out of one turn, they're hitting

639
00:28:18,518 --> 00:28:19,118
Speaker 2: another turn.

640
00:28:19,758 --> 00:28:23,518
Speaker 1: Just walking up that track and then walking down just

641
00:28:23,558 --> 00:28:26,718
Speaker 1: like walking down a skiing Black Diamond trail gives you

642
00:28:26,838 --> 00:28:29,878
Speaker 1: really appreciation for what those cars and what those drivers

643
00:28:29,918 --> 00:28:30,318
Speaker 1: go through.

644
00:28:30,518 --> 00:28:34,358
Speaker 3: Listen, those drivers, to me are absolutely crazy. The split

645
00:28:34,638 --> 00:28:36,918
Speaker 3: moment to night and split second split whatever that is,

646
00:28:36,998 --> 00:28:39,758
Speaker 3: decisions they have to make at those speeds and the

647
00:28:40,198 --> 00:28:44,078
Speaker 3: risks are that they take, and just the understanding of

648
00:28:44,118 --> 00:28:46,798
Speaker 3: the machine itself and the pit crews and everything that

649
00:28:46,838 --> 00:28:50,798
Speaker 3: goes into that stuff is pretty incredible. Now, I've never attended,

650
00:28:50,838 --> 00:28:53,078
Speaker 3: like you said it, never attended an event I would

651
00:28:53,158 --> 00:28:56,158
Speaker 3: attend an event. I don't quite understand on TV why

652
00:28:56,158 --> 00:28:59,318
Speaker 3: it's so popular, although people don't know why baseball's popper

653
00:28:59,398 --> 00:29:01,518
Speaker 3: if you don't like baseball either or a golf right,

654
00:29:02,358 --> 00:29:06,598
Speaker 3: But it's really it's wow. I'm just so impressed with

655
00:29:07,038 --> 00:29:09,798
Speaker 3: and it is athleticism there, the strength level and the

656
00:29:09,838 --> 00:29:13,638
Speaker 3: ability to focus and stamina. There's so much going on there.

657
00:29:13,678 --> 00:29:15,958
Speaker 3: Man to stay on that track for that long and

658
00:29:15,998 --> 00:29:18,638
Speaker 3: not make a mistake and come out of it alive

659
00:29:18,678 --> 00:29:20,198
Speaker 3: and win it, that's pretty impressive.

660
00:29:20,678 --> 00:29:23,638
Speaker 1: Yeah, And listen, major League Baseball did a great job

661
00:29:23,718 --> 00:29:26,078
Speaker 1: bringing It was the first game ever played major League

662
00:29:26,078 --> 00:29:29,798
Speaker 1: game played in Tennessee. The fans were unbelievable, you know,

663
00:29:29,918 --> 00:29:32,318
Speaker 1: waiting out this long rain to lay for a game

664
00:29:32,318 --> 00:29:35,198
Speaker 1: that eventually wasn't played that night, and then coming back

665
00:29:35,238 --> 00:29:38,158
Speaker 1: the next day. It was actually those fans. I get

666
00:29:38,198 --> 00:29:39,998
Speaker 1: them all credit in the world. And I know they

667
00:29:39,998 --> 00:29:42,238
Speaker 1: had some issues there with staffing in terms of food

668
00:29:42,278 --> 00:29:44,678
Speaker 1: services and listen, it rains.

669
00:29:44,718 --> 00:29:45,678
Speaker 2: What are you gonna do? Right?

670
00:29:45,918 --> 00:29:48,318
Speaker 1: The elements got involved in terms of all the planning

671
00:29:48,358 --> 00:29:51,598
Speaker 1: that was done. The field looked beautiful, the pregame ceremonies.

672
00:29:52,118 --> 00:29:53,798
Speaker 1: They had a forecast that said there was a window

673
00:29:53,838 --> 00:29:55,878
Speaker 1: to play the game. The forecast turned out to be wrong.

674
00:29:56,078 --> 00:29:59,038
Speaker 1: It happens right. But here's a funny story for you, Joe,

675
00:29:59,078 --> 00:30:01,078
Speaker 1: because both teams just thought they were coming in for

676
00:30:01,158 --> 00:30:04,398
Speaker 1: that one day, the Saturday, right, So there's no laundry

677
00:30:04,398 --> 00:30:07,598
Speaker 1: at the racetrack. You know, when they built the clubhouses,

678
00:30:07,718 --> 00:30:11,518
Speaker 1: it's amazing what they did. They built batting cages, training rooms,

679
00:30:11,758 --> 00:30:12,438
Speaker 1: you name it.

680
00:30:12,878 --> 00:30:14,118
Speaker 2: But there's no laundry.

681
00:30:14,638 --> 00:30:19,238
Speaker 1: So after the three hour delay, the clubies for each team,

682
00:30:19,318 --> 00:30:21,518
Speaker 1: and I know at least for the Braves, they had

683
00:30:21,518 --> 00:30:23,398
Speaker 1: to This is like the minor league days, Joe. They

684
00:30:23,438 --> 00:30:25,398
Speaker 1: had to pack up all the year. You're talking about

685
00:30:25,478 --> 00:30:28,318
Speaker 1: fifty guys in the traveling party, pack up all the year,

686
00:30:28,398 --> 00:30:30,998
Speaker 1: bring it back to the hotel, and then pay the

687
00:30:31,038 --> 00:30:34,518
Speaker 1: hotel to have the housekeeping do all this laundry so

688
00:30:34,558 --> 00:30:36,318
Speaker 1: they could get back the next day and play the game.

689
00:30:36,598 --> 00:30:39,638
Speaker 1: And then there was no planning for breakfast for the

690
00:30:39,638 --> 00:30:42,358
Speaker 1: players and staff the next day, so they had to

691
00:30:42,398 --> 00:30:45,878
Speaker 1: send somebody out to Costco to buy up virtually every

692
00:30:45,998 --> 00:30:47,958
Speaker 1: carton of eggs that they could find in Bacon and

693
00:30:47,998 --> 00:30:50,758
Speaker 1: put together a breakfast for the guys. Yeah, it really is,

694
00:30:50,798 --> 00:30:53,238
Speaker 1: the guys were saying, and they didn't mind. Nobody was complaining.

695
00:30:53,278 --> 00:30:55,238
Speaker 1: It brought guys back to the minor league days where

696
00:30:55,278 --> 00:30:56,718
Speaker 1: you just make do totally.

697
00:30:56,758 --> 00:30:59,078
Speaker 3: I mean, you know food in the clubhouse and the

698
00:30:59,078 --> 00:31:01,598
Speaker 3: minor leags are you kidding me? Pean and peanut butter

699
00:31:01,638 --> 00:31:03,918
Speaker 3: and jail said, that's all you had, you brand the

700
00:31:04,278 --> 00:31:07,118
Speaker 3: low for bread jar, peanut butter, jar of jelly. There

701
00:31:07,158 --> 00:31:09,958
Speaker 3: was none of that. I mean that really became a

702
00:31:09,998 --> 00:31:12,798
Speaker 3: thing when I first started out in about ninety four.

703
00:31:13,238 --> 00:31:15,438
Speaker 3: There obviously there was stuff in the clubhouses, but it

704
00:31:15,478 --> 00:31:17,958
Speaker 3: was very Pitescrian. It was not that the spreads weren't

705
00:31:17,958 --> 00:31:20,798
Speaker 3: as elaborate. There wasn't as much catering down to the

706
00:31:20,838 --> 00:31:23,198
Speaker 3: players at that time. They were, They did, but not

707
00:31:23,358 --> 00:31:26,478
Speaker 3: to the level. Then eventually he just kept getting more,

708
00:31:26,718 --> 00:31:30,878
Speaker 3: became like Michelin restaurants in clubhouses, A guy Gallagher among

709
00:31:30,998 --> 00:31:33,198
Speaker 3: all of them, probably the greatest influence. And he was

710
00:31:33,198 --> 00:31:36,118
Speaker 3: the visiting clubhouse guy for the Tampa Bay Rays. Gee

711
00:31:36,198 --> 00:31:39,598
Speaker 3: Guy called Gee Guy, was always step ahead with everybody,

712
00:31:39,638 --> 00:31:42,678
Speaker 3: his kids. You drop something on the floor to be

713
00:31:42,718 --> 00:31:45,358
Speaker 3: picked up, that your shoes were shined every day. If

714
00:31:45,518 --> 00:31:47,398
Speaker 3: every time I came into town, I would go to

715
00:31:47,438 --> 00:31:49,478
Speaker 3: my room at the Vanoi and would be a bicycle

716
00:31:49,478 --> 00:31:51,758
Speaker 3: already in my room that guy would have there so

717
00:31:51,758 --> 00:31:53,198
Speaker 3: that I could ride my bike while I was in

718
00:31:53,478 --> 00:31:57,438
Speaker 3: Saint Petersburg. So it just kept getting better. And Cokuza

719
00:31:57,478 --> 00:31:59,758
Speaker 3: Loo in New York. Oh my god, I mean it's

720
00:31:59,838 --> 00:32:02,078
Speaker 3: that is that is a five star restaurant there that

721
00:32:02,158 --> 00:32:07,118
Speaker 3: is unbelievable. Eventually evolved over time. So like you're saying,

722
00:32:08,038 --> 00:32:10,158
Speaker 3: they weren't planning on that stuff, but it's kind of funny.

723
00:32:10,198 --> 00:32:11,478
Speaker 3: I thought they ended up. He's going to tell me

724
00:32:11,518 --> 00:32:13,598
Speaker 3: the ended up at a laundromat at two o'clock in

725
00:32:13,638 --> 00:32:15,798
Speaker 3: the morning, which might have been even better, but you

726
00:32:15,838 --> 00:32:17,358
Speaker 3: got it. Those are the things, man, you'd have to

727
00:32:17,398 --> 00:32:19,438
Speaker 3: and then even just getting a hotel because they didn't

728
00:32:19,478 --> 00:32:22,318
Speaker 3: have reservations, or maybe they'd had that thought in advance

729
00:32:22,398 --> 00:32:24,798
Speaker 3: if it gets rained out, maybe they had some kind

730
00:32:24,838 --> 00:32:28,078
Speaker 3: of contingency. But all this other little stuff, man, it's

731
00:32:28,318 --> 00:32:30,678
Speaker 3: just it's all there, and it's taking care of every

732
00:32:30,718 --> 00:32:34,598
Speaker 3: day by clubhouse guys, clubbies, some of my best friends ever.

733
00:32:34,958 --> 00:32:37,438
Speaker 3: Those guys are such unsung heroes, and I to tell

734
00:32:37,438 --> 00:32:40,118
Speaker 3: you what, the players love them. They're all comedians. I

735
00:32:40,158 --> 00:32:42,478
Speaker 3: always thought that they could have done a reality show

736
00:32:42,518 --> 00:32:46,038
Speaker 3: out of almost any visiting clubhouse that I attended, especially

737
00:32:46,398 --> 00:32:50,198
Speaker 3: Cacusis group with the Yankees in New York. They're absolute hysterical.

738
00:32:50,478 --> 00:32:53,078
Speaker 1: Yeah, those guys are the guys and gals the backbone

739
00:32:53,118 --> 00:32:54,438
Speaker 1: of the game unseen.

740
00:32:54,558 --> 00:32:57,198
Speaker 2: But the game doesn't go on without them. Yeah.

741
00:32:57,238 --> 00:33:00,038
Speaker 1: The Reds actually chose after they played at home on

742
00:33:00,118 --> 00:33:02,718
Speaker 1: Friday afternoon, they chose to stay at home on Friday

743
00:33:02,758 --> 00:33:05,278
Speaker 1: and fly in on Saturday to day of the game.

744
00:33:05,638 --> 00:33:08,438
Speaker 1: So they had to scramble to get a hotel for

745
00:33:08,558 --> 00:33:11,358
Speaker 1: Saturday night because they were planning on just flying out

746
00:33:11,398 --> 00:33:14,038
Speaker 1: that same night to Chicago their next series, and it

747
00:33:14,078 --> 00:33:18,118
Speaker 1: was interesting. The Braves had sent all of their luggage

748
00:33:18,198 --> 00:33:22,118
Speaker 1: on the truck to Atlanta on Saturday afternoon, and as

749
00:33:22,158 --> 00:33:24,398
Speaker 1: the rains started coming down, it looked like there was

750
00:33:24,438 --> 00:33:27,118
Speaker 1: a possibility the game might be pushed a Sunday. They

751
00:33:27,118 --> 00:33:29,558
Speaker 1: had to call the driver of the truck who's halfway

752
00:33:29,598 --> 00:33:32,198
Speaker 1: to Atlanta two hundred and forty to fifty miles away,

753
00:33:32,238 --> 00:33:34,478
Speaker 1: and say turn around and come back. We might need

754
00:33:34,518 --> 00:33:36,398
Speaker 1: our luggage here tonight, and in fact they did.

755
00:33:36,758 --> 00:33:37,438
Speaker 3: It was so good.

756
00:33:37,958 --> 00:33:41,078
Speaker 1: Kudos to all those support personnel who make the game

757
00:33:41,118 --> 00:33:42,798
Speaker 1: go around. The game itself turned out to be a

758
00:33:42,838 --> 00:33:45,038
Speaker 1: really I thought a fun game. Eli White hit two

759
00:33:45,038 --> 00:33:48,278
Speaker 1: home runs. It was interesting that the Braves called up

760
00:33:48,318 --> 00:33:50,398
Speaker 1: this kid, his pitcher, Hurston Waldrip.

761
00:33:50,958 --> 00:33:51,998
Speaker 2: He was in Gwinnet.

762
00:33:52,198 --> 00:33:55,118
Speaker 1: He was supposed to pitch for Triple A Gwinet on Sunday.

763
00:33:55,198 --> 00:33:57,158
Speaker 1: So they call him up at eleven o'clock at night

764
00:33:57,238 --> 00:34:00,558
Speaker 1: Saturday night and they say you're pitching tomorrow at Bristol

765
00:34:00,598 --> 00:34:03,518
Speaker 1: Motor Speedway and he's like, well, how do I get there?

766
00:34:03,918 --> 00:34:06,838
Speaker 1: Said I'm gonna send a car for you five thirty

767
00:34:06,878 --> 00:34:09,118
Speaker 1: in the morning. Now that's like a four and a

768
00:34:09,158 --> 00:34:12,758
Speaker 1: half five hour ride from Gwennett County. So this kid

769
00:34:12,838 --> 00:34:14,518
Speaker 1: twenty three to twenty four years old, gets in the

770
00:34:14,558 --> 00:34:16,998
Speaker 1: car at five point thirty in the morning, gets in

771
00:34:17,078 --> 00:34:20,278
Speaker 1: about eleven o'clock in Bristol, and actually it was a

772
00:34:20,318 --> 00:34:22,838
Speaker 1: resumption of the game. Is the first pitcher on Sunday?

773
00:34:23,038 --> 00:34:25,838
Speaker 1: Just an amazing story. He pitched it great, by the way,

774
00:34:25,918 --> 00:34:28,718
Speaker 1: got his first major league win. How fitting is that.

775
00:34:28,798 --> 00:34:32,038
Speaker 1: By the way, his name is Hurston Waldrip and the

776
00:34:32,078 --> 00:34:35,078
Speaker 1: guy who won the most races that Bristol Motor Speedway

777
00:34:35,118 --> 00:34:36,158
Speaker 1: all time with twelve.

778
00:34:36,678 --> 00:34:39,278
Speaker 2: Yeah, Darryl Waltrip, you can't make this stuff up.

779
00:34:39,638 --> 00:34:42,198
Speaker 3: No, you can'temy Well, first of all, I mean he

780
00:34:42,198 --> 00:34:44,358
Speaker 3: could have been like, got no sleep. I mean it

781
00:34:44,438 --> 00:34:46,758
Speaker 3: probably did, get no sleep. But to get up there,

782
00:34:46,798 --> 00:34:49,478
Speaker 3: to get that opportunity, his adrenaline was flowing. And good

783
00:34:49,518 --> 00:34:52,478
Speaker 3: for him, Bully Frim for doing that. That's an outstanding story.

784
00:34:52,518 --> 00:34:55,158
Speaker 3: But all this stuff we're talking about, Tommy and you

785
00:34:55,278 --> 00:34:58,918
Speaker 3: know it, it's so entertaining and it's so minor league

786
00:34:58,958 --> 00:35:01,238
Speaker 3: and I so love it. I mean, honestly, the big

787
00:35:01,318 --> 00:35:04,478
Speaker 3: leagues are wonderful. It's it's kind of fantasy lands. Although

788
00:35:04,518 --> 00:35:07,438
Speaker 3: It's tough every day, every day, travel playing every day.

789
00:35:07,478 --> 00:35:10,238
Speaker 3: All that stuff tough, but minor leagues is even tougher.

790
00:35:10,438 --> 00:35:12,278
Speaker 3: You get on a bus every night, you never know

791
00:35:12,278 --> 00:35:15,278
Speaker 3: if you're gonna realize your dream. And you know, I

792
00:35:15,318 --> 00:35:18,518
Speaker 3: get paid a whole lot of money. The conditions are

793
00:35:18,598 --> 00:35:21,318
Speaker 3: normally substandard. They've gotten better, but at that time very

794
00:35:21,358 --> 00:35:25,758
Speaker 3: sub But romantically, I would never change that experience for

795
00:35:25,758 --> 00:35:28,038
Speaker 3: anything I think I've ever done. And that was to

796
00:35:28,038 --> 00:35:31,718
Speaker 3: play minor league baseball in Davenport, Iowa, and then the Salinas,

797
00:35:31,758 --> 00:35:33,998
Speaker 3: California for a couple of years, and then bumping around

798
00:35:34,038 --> 00:35:38,718
Speaker 3: the Colleague and Bakersfield and Santa Clair before my playing

799
00:35:38,758 --> 00:35:41,478
Speaker 3: career was concluded. So and then you go to the

800
00:35:41,518 --> 00:35:47,598
Speaker 3: minor leagues as a manager, and I Hadahole Falls, Idols, Salem, Oregon, Peoria, Illinois,

801
00:35:47,678 --> 00:35:50,438
Speaker 3: and then Middleland, Texas. You see it all, man, you

802
00:35:50,478 --> 00:35:53,678
Speaker 3: see it all, You hear it all, and I'm here

803
00:35:53,718 --> 00:35:55,918
Speaker 3: to tell you, man, I really wish a lot of

804
00:35:55,918 --> 00:35:59,318
Speaker 3: the players had had had the opportunities to do that stuff.

805
00:35:59,358 --> 00:36:01,958
Speaker 3: I don't think it's not really the same obviously anymore.

806
00:36:02,198 --> 00:36:04,358
Speaker 3: And everybody's going to say it's better. Maybe it is.

807
00:36:04,478 --> 00:36:09,078
Speaker 3: But the experience of having to cope and take care

808
00:36:09,118 --> 00:36:12,558
Speaker 3: of yourself and make decisions and be ready and really

809
00:36:12,678 --> 00:36:16,878
Speaker 3: like some standard moments. I remember the whilesaut Wisconsin. We

810
00:36:16,878 --> 00:36:20,718
Speaker 3: were asked to dress at the clubhouse. The president of

811
00:36:20,718 --> 00:36:22,518
Speaker 3: the league wants to dress there, and I said, we're not.

812
00:36:22,878 --> 00:36:25,158
Speaker 3: It's a third floor. I'm not having my guys dress

813
00:36:25,198 --> 00:36:28,038
Speaker 3: on a third floor. We're dressing at the hotel. Big argument.

814
00:36:28,118 --> 00:36:30,158
Speaker 3: I'm like, I don't know, twenty seven years old at

815
00:36:30,158 --> 00:36:32,118
Speaker 3: that time, No, we're not going to do that. The

816
00:36:32,198 --> 00:36:34,758
Speaker 3: buke eywa. I mean it would flood, the showers, everything

817
00:36:34,758 --> 00:36:36,798
Speaker 3: would flood, and you're walking around with you know, you

818
00:36:36,798 --> 00:36:39,158
Speaker 3: talk about athletes' feet, you're just gonna get some kind

819
00:36:39,198 --> 00:36:42,478
Speaker 3: of disease. But it's it's such God. I'm just I'm

820
00:36:42,678 --> 00:36:44,878
Speaker 3: grateful that I was able to come up at the

821
00:36:44,878 --> 00:36:46,558
Speaker 3: time that I did, and I was grateful that I

822
00:36:46,598 --> 00:36:49,358
Speaker 3: was able to I have to endure experience those kind

823
00:36:49,398 --> 00:36:50,918
Speaker 3: of moments because they are lasting.

824
00:36:51,118 --> 00:36:53,158
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know what, just some of my favorite moments

825
00:36:53,198 --> 00:36:56,758
Speaker 1: is I see these major league players going essentially back

826
00:36:56,758 --> 00:36:58,278
Speaker 1: to their younger selves.

827
00:36:57,998 --> 00:37:00,198
Speaker 2: And when times were tough, and you actually saw that.

828
00:37:00,238 --> 00:37:02,198
Speaker 1: I'm sure these guys, the Braves and the Reds players,

829
00:37:02,278 --> 00:37:04,678
Speaker 1: especially the Braves. They won the game, came out of

830
00:37:04,678 --> 00:37:06,798
Speaker 1: this with some stories to tell and memories that will

831
00:37:06,838 --> 00:37:09,998
Speaker 1: last the lifetime. You're put into a you know, I

832
00:37:10,038 --> 00:37:12,438
Speaker 1: don't want to say it, an uncomfortable situation, because they

833
00:37:12,438 --> 00:37:15,038
Speaker 1: did a great job making the field really major league quality.

834
00:37:15,598 --> 00:37:17,918
Speaker 1: But it's different, right, It's far out of the routine.

835
00:37:17,998 --> 00:37:20,438
Speaker 1: A lot of guys. You know this, Joe, It's easy

836
00:37:20,478 --> 00:37:22,678
Speaker 1: to complain through the grind of a season. This game

837
00:37:22,718 --> 00:37:25,238
Speaker 1: will give you plenty of reasons to complain, but finding

838
00:37:25,478 --> 00:37:27,798
Speaker 1: you know that the silver lining in the cloud is

839
00:37:27,838 --> 00:37:29,558
Speaker 1: what makes these guys I think gets you.

840
00:37:29,558 --> 00:37:32,358
Speaker 2: Through the season. And I saw that, especially the Braves.

841
00:37:32,438 --> 00:37:35,638
Speaker 1: You know, they were handled this trophy, the Speedway Classic

842
00:37:35,998 --> 00:37:40,478
Speaker 1: Championship trophy, right, I mean essentially it means nothing, but

843
00:37:40,558 --> 00:37:42,158
Speaker 1: you would have known that by looking like these guys

844
00:37:42,158 --> 00:37:44,438
Speaker 1: that look like they want an American Legion tournament, you know,

845
00:37:44,558 --> 00:37:46,878
Speaker 1: posing on the pitcher's mount after the game with the trophy.

846
00:37:46,918 --> 00:37:48,958
Speaker 1: They got a big kick out of it. Stories to tell,

847
00:37:49,438 --> 00:37:51,358
Speaker 1: especially for a team like the Braves. Let's face it,

848
00:37:51,398 --> 00:37:53,678
Speaker 1: they're not really in this race here. It really was

849
00:37:53,678 --> 00:37:55,718
Speaker 1: a good show. I thought the players get I give

850
00:37:55,758 --> 00:37:58,118
Speaker 1: them credit because they bought into the just kind of

851
00:37:58,118 --> 00:38:00,398
Speaker 1: the unusual nature of playing a game at a racetrack.

852
00:38:00,678 --> 00:38:03,678
Speaker 3: Going from Idaho Falls to they might have been left

853
00:38:03,718 --> 00:38:06,438
Speaker 3: breast Canada. Get to the border, I don't know. Right

854
00:38:06,478 --> 00:38:09,438
Speaker 3: around midnight Meadian border. There's nobody there to check the

855
00:38:09,438 --> 00:38:15,198
Speaker 3: passports of my eight Latin players. Nobody, so we obviously

856
00:38:15,878 --> 00:38:17,518
Speaker 3: you spend the night on the bus. You spend the

857
00:38:17,598 --> 00:38:19,318
Speaker 3: night on the bus of the next shift reports the

858
00:38:19,318 --> 00:38:21,478
Speaker 3: next morning, and then you drive on in and play

859
00:38:21,518 --> 00:38:24,398
Speaker 3: that night. The time we drive, I was roving and

860
00:38:24,438 --> 00:38:27,398
Speaker 3: I went with the Boise Hawks from Boise, Idaho. I

861
00:38:27,438 --> 00:38:30,158
Speaker 3: wanted to drive. I love to drive across Oregon is

862
00:38:30,198 --> 00:38:34,278
Speaker 3: beautiful desert. Then it turns into this bugle past what's

863
00:38:34,318 --> 00:38:36,518
Speaker 3: the Crater Lake and all this stuff, and we get

864
00:38:36,518 --> 00:38:38,758
Speaker 3: to Eugene. We get their early rooms are not ready?

865
00:38:38,758 --> 00:38:40,478
Speaker 3: Are you kidding me? These guys have been driving in

866
00:38:40,518 --> 00:38:42,758
Speaker 3: the bus. I'm like Tom Cox was the manager, but

867
00:38:42,798 --> 00:38:45,238
Speaker 3: I'm in charge of the rover. So I got upset

868
00:38:45,278 --> 00:38:47,918
Speaker 3: and I said, let's go. We drove over to the beach.

869
00:38:48,118 --> 00:38:51,598
Speaker 3: I can't remember the name of the town west of Eugene,

870
00:38:51,678 --> 00:38:55,038
Speaker 3: found this joint had enough rooms and I had my

871
00:38:55,078 --> 00:38:57,638
Speaker 3: American Express car. Thank God, don't leave home and out

872
00:38:57,678 --> 00:38:59,958
Speaker 3: it right. So I put that sucker down and paid

873
00:38:59,958 --> 00:39:02,318
Speaker 3: for the rooms for I think two nights that we

874
00:39:02,358 --> 00:39:04,358
Speaker 3: stayed there before we went back. I didn't want to

875
00:39:04,398 --> 00:39:06,838
Speaker 3: go back to Eugene because they didn't want to set

876
00:39:06,878 --> 00:39:08,878
Speaker 3: us up that night. But we have to go. And

877
00:39:08,918 --> 00:39:10,798
Speaker 3: it's like, I don't a forty five minute ride or

878
00:39:10,838 --> 00:39:13,878
Speaker 3: so then from there back to the ballpark the next night.

879
00:39:14,118 --> 00:39:15,998
Speaker 3: But you show you drive all night, and you show

880
00:39:16,118 --> 00:39:18,518
Speaker 3: up and no hotel room. This is what happens. This

881
00:39:18,558 --> 00:39:21,838
Speaker 3: is the stuff that happens. Man time id ho falls.

882
00:39:21,838 --> 00:39:23,718
Speaker 3: We come back off a road trip and I promise

883
00:39:23,798 --> 00:39:26,198
Speaker 3: you there was clogs of dirt on the infield, almost

884
00:39:26,278 --> 00:39:28,598
Speaker 3: golf ball size. And we're in first place early in

885
00:39:28,638 --> 00:39:31,718
Speaker 3: the season. Dickie Scoll fields my shortstop and again I'm

886
00:39:31,758 --> 00:39:34,878
Speaker 3: only twenty seven to twenty eight, and I jumped the GM.

887
00:39:35,318 --> 00:39:36,758
Speaker 3: I got all over him and he's telling me, you

888
00:39:36,798 --> 00:39:39,358
Speaker 3: know what, you're the first manager that's ever complained and

889
00:39:39,398 --> 00:39:41,118
Speaker 3: run here. I'm going to call your boss, they said,

890
00:39:41,158 --> 00:39:45,318
Speaker 3: please do. He called Mike Port. Within fifteen minutes. The

891
00:39:45,478 --> 00:39:48,118
Speaker 3: entire City Department of Idaho Falls is out there on

892
00:39:48,158 --> 00:39:50,038
Speaker 3: that infield trying to fix it up. So these are

893
00:39:50,078 --> 00:39:52,838
Speaker 3: the things you endure back then, man, and it makes

894
00:39:52,878 --> 00:39:55,918
Speaker 3: you better somehow. It makes you better. Talked about the

895
00:39:55,958 --> 00:39:59,478
Speaker 3: struggle being smooth all the time not the way to go, man.

896
00:39:59,518 --> 00:40:01,998
Speaker 3: You have to be able to creatively deal with these

897
00:40:02,078 --> 00:40:03,638
Speaker 3: kinds of situations and it makes you better at what

898
00:40:03,678 --> 00:40:03,798
Speaker 3: you do.

899
00:40:04,398 --> 00:40:05,518
Speaker 2: I love those stories.

900
00:40:05,558 --> 00:40:08,998
Speaker 1: And speaking of Oregon, I mentioned earlier Joe the most

901
00:40:09,038 --> 00:40:12,678
Speaker 1: amazing home run of the week. We're gonna talk about

902
00:40:12,718 --> 00:40:27,118
Speaker 1: that right after this. Welcome back to the Book of Joe.

903
00:40:27,238 --> 00:40:29,998
Speaker 1: I'm not sure if you saw this, Joe. This happened

904
00:40:30,038 --> 00:40:33,878
Speaker 1: in Portland, Oregon. It was fan appreciation Night. There's a

905
00:40:34,278 --> 00:40:37,158
Speaker 1: college wood bat league that's out there, and the game

906
00:40:37,278 --> 00:40:42,038
Speaker 1: was between the Portland Pickle All Stars and the Portland Gerkins.

907
00:40:42,918 --> 00:40:45,958
Speaker 1: And as part of fan Appreciation Night, by the way,

908
00:40:45,998 --> 00:40:48,318
Speaker 1: they have all kinds of as you can imagine promotions.

909
00:40:48,358 --> 00:40:51,118
Speaker 1: The night before was Bigfoot is Real and we can

910
00:40:51,198 --> 00:40:54,678
Speaker 1: Prove It Night, and they also have a Keep Portland

911
00:40:54,678 --> 00:40:55,758
Speaker 1: Weird Night coming up.

912
00:40:55,958 --> 00:40:57,758
Speaker 2: But anyway, this was fan appreciation Night.

913
00:40:57,718 --> 00:41:00,678
Speaker 1: Where they said they would take a random fan out

914
00:41:00,678 --> 00:41:03,878
Speaker 1: of the stands and let them hit in the game.

915
00:41:04,358 --> 00:41:07,278
Speaker 1: This is a college wood bat league, so sure enough

916
00:41:07,438 --> 00:41:09,878
Speaker 1: they bring this dude out of the stands. He's wearing

917
00:41:09,918 --> 00:41:12,598
Speaker 1: his shorts and his sneakers, and they give him a jersey.

918
00:41:12,758 --> 00:41:14,518
Speaker 1: It doesn't really fit. They just throw it on him,

919
00:41:14,638 --> 00:41:16,998
Speaker 1: steps into batter's box. He actually got a walk and

920
00:41:17,118 --> 00:41:19,958
Speaker 1: scored a run. Well, the lineup turns over and he

921
00:41:19,998 --> 00:41:24,678
Speaker 1: gets another at BT and yeah, he goes yard to

922
00:41:24,798 --> 00:41:29,238
Speaker 1: run Jimmy Jack center field. Now, I don't want to

923
00:41:29,318 --> 00:41:32,838
Speaker 1: ruin a good story because obviously your radar goes up. Right,

924
00:41:33,078 --> 00:41:35,718
Speaker 1: How random is it? Guy out of the stands, I

925
00:41:35,758 --> 00:41:38,038
Speaker 1: mean full nine yards. I mean he's hitting a home

926
00:41:38,118 --> 00:41:40,358
Speaker 1: run off a college pitcher at a wood bat league

927
00:41:40,678 --> 00:41:44,678
Speaker 1: in his shorts and sneakers. That's pretty darn impressive, I think,

928
00:41:44,718 --> 00:41:47,878
Speaker 1: as the story turns out, he was very recently a

929
00:41:47,958 --> 00:41:49,838
Speaker 1: D three college baseball player.

930
00:41:49,958 --> 00:41:50,678
Speaker 2: Whether it was a.

931
00:41:50,638 --> 00:41:54,158
Speaker 1: Setup, I don't know, but I know this. He literally,

932
00:41:54,638 --> 00:41:55,878
Speaker 1: you can't fake a home run.

933
00:41:55,998 --> 00:41:58,278
Speaker 2: He hit a home run. It happened. That's pretty good

934
00:41:58,358 --> 00:41:58,878
Speaker 2: darn cool.

935
00:41:58,998 --> 00:42:00,438
Speaker 3: You come out of the stands and do that, I

936
00:42:00,438 --> 00:42:03,358
Speaker 3: don't care. I mean, in sneakers and shorts and just

937
00:42:03,358 --> 00:42:06,078
Speaker 3: showing up. Probably didn't take any banking practice, and maybe

938
00:42:06,078 --> 00:42:08,118
Speaker 3: he did, I don't know, But sitting up there, I like,

939
00:42:08,198 --> 00:42:10,438
Speaker 3: it's Okayve it was a plant. It's still difficult to do,

940
00:42:10,958 --> 00:42:14,798
Speaker 3: very difficult to do, and it regardless entertainment, that is

941
00:42:14,958 --> 00:42:18,838
Speaker 3: absolutely entertainment there. That's the same old ballpark, isn't it

942
00:42:18,878 --> 00:42:21,638
Speaker 3: in Portland that sits down in the pitolttle But of

943
00:42:21,678 --> 00:42:24,558
Speaker 3: the right field is the big building with the fitness

944
00:42:24,558 --> 00:42:25,438
Speaker 3: facility up on top.

945
00:42:25,478 --> 00:42:28,278
Speaker 2: That's where I named that McCormick or something field someone.

946
00:42:28,438 --> 00:42:30,398
Speaker 3: That's where it was a McCreadie that went through the

947
00:42:30,478 --> 00:42:32,238
Speaker 3: fence out there was who was it ran through the

948
00:42:32,278 --> 00:42:33,118
Speaker 3: fence and right field.

949
00:42:33,198 --> 00:42:34,078
Speaker 2: It was in Louisville.

950
00:42:34,278 --> 00:42:36,638
Speaker 3: No, that was in Portland that that happened in Portland.

951
00:42:36,638 --> 00:42:39,918
Speaker 3: I yeah, but that's the place I went to. Devon

952
00:42:39,958 --> 00:42:42,718
Speaker 3: White was struggling. I'm in Pennsylvania hanging out with my

953
00:42:42,758 --> 00:42:46,158
Speaker 3: family doing Little Lea clinics and the Rover hitting instructor.

954
00:42:46,238 --> 00:42:47,798
Speaker 3: I get a call. I got to go pick up Devo.

955
00:42:48,198 --> 00:42:50,038
Speaker 3: I meet him in Portland. I meet him in Portland

956
00:42:50,278 --> 00:42:52,438
Speaker 3: and Deva and I worked out in Portland through in

957
00:42:52,478 --> 00:42:54,758
Speaker 3: banning practice three or four days in a row, and

958
00:42:54,838 --> 00:42:57,118
Speaker 3: obviously eventually got back to the big leagues. But I

959
00:42:57,198 --> 00:42:59,678
Speaker 3: loved that place. I loved it had the worst turf

960
00:42:59,718 --> 00:43:01,198
Speaker 3: I've ever seen in my life. Was kind of like

961
00:43:01,358 --> 00:43:03,838
Speaker 3: green cement. That's what it was. It painted the cement green.

962
00:43:04,438 --> 00:43:06,718
Speaker 3: But they had the Jansen swim girl in left field,

963
00:43:06,878 --> 00:43:09,958
Speaker 3: the swimmer on the left field fence, and it just

964
00:43:10,718 --> 00:43:13,118
Speaker 3: all those different promotions. It's a very creative part of

965
00:43:13,158 --> 00:43:15,478
Speaker 3: the world. It's very funny. They can be, you know,

966
00:43:15,718 --> 00:43:18,678
Speaker 3: self deprecating at times, but it's really a cool vibe.

967
00:43:18,998 --> 00:43:22,918
Speaker 3: So all this stuff. The Mavericks back in the day. Anyway,

968
00:43:22,758 --> 00:43:24,718
Speaker 3: they were there for a long time and that was

969
00:43:24,758 --> 00:43:27,238
Speaker 3: a big deal. Back then. They drew every night. It's

970
00:43:27,278 --> 00:43:31,318
Speaker 3: a very creative atmosphere there. It probably was a setup. Nevertheless,

971
00:43:31,678 --> 00:43:33,518
Speaker 3: never let the truth get away of a good story.

972
00:43:34,918 --> 00:43:37,038
Speaker 2: It reminded me of years ago.

973
00:43:37,158 --> 00:43:39,358
Speaker 1: We used to play a game between the media and

974
00:43:39,478 --> 00:43:43,358
Speaker 1: the Yankee staff right batting practice pitchers. Sometimes the coaches

975
00:43:43,398 --> 00:43:46,318
Speaker 1: would come out. This is when Lou Panella was managing

976
00:43:46,318 --> 00:43:49,398
Speaker 1: the team and my buddy Bob Klappish then of the

977
00:43:49,438 --> 00:43:51,718
Speaker 1: Bergen Record was pitching, and he's a really good pitcher

978
00:43:52,038 --> 00:43:54,718
Speaker 1: and Lou Panella was kind of ragging him from the stands. Now,

979
00:43:54,838 --> 00:43:57,198
Speaker 1: louis sitting there in the stands and his sans a belt,

980
00:43:57,198 --> 00:44:00,158
Speaker 1: slacks and his Italian loafers, and Bob is like, hey,

981
00:44:00,478 --> 00:44:02,518
Speaker 1: if you're so good, why aren't you taking it back?

982
00:44:02,758 --> 00:44:05,918
Speaker 1: And lou Penela says, I think I will. Lous steps

983
00:44:05,998 --> 00:44:08,598
Speaker 1: up there and his slacks and his loafers, and he

984
00:44:08,678 --> 00:44:10,998
Speaker 1: looks at about three or four pitches, I could tell

985
00:44:11,278 --> 00:44:13,478
Speaker 1: he's just timing him. He's just followed the ball in

986
00:44:13,518 --> 00:44:15,518
Speaker 1: the mitt, follow the ball in the mitt, and then

987
00:44:15,558 --> 00:44:16,518
Speaker 1: he decides to swing.

988
00:44:16,638 --> 00:44:19,118
Speaker 2: And I'm telling you, Joe, he hit a bullet off

989
00:44:19,158 --> 00:44:20,118
Speaker 2: the left field wall.

990
00:44:20,678 --> 00:44:22,798
Speaker 1: I mean, as cold as cold could be in his

991
00:44:23,198 --> 00:44:26,318
Speaker 1: Italian loafers and hit a rocket That was one of

992
00:44:26,318 --> 00:44:28,278
Speaker 1: the most impressive at bets I've ever seen. When you

993
00:44:28,318 --> 00:44:30,678
Speaker 1: see these guys who just have and they never lose it.

994
00:44:30,758 --> 00:44:33,118
Speaker 1: Really maybe against one hundred miles an hour they might,

995
00:44:33,718 --> 00:44:36,478
Speaker 1: but that gift of getting that bet, that barrel on

996
00:44:36,518 --> 00:44:38,318
Speaker 1: the baseball, it's always there.

997
00:44:38,598 --> 00:44:41,558
Speaker 3: Kurt Russell, Kurt Russell was there. You go, yeah, And

998
00:44:41,598 --> 00:44:43,838
Speaker 3: what was his dad's name is? That was a character

999
00:44:43,838 --> 00:44:47,438
Speaker 3: actor in Hollywood for years. It was a very popular gig.

1000
00:44:47,798 --> 00:44:52,758
Speaker 3: Portland's always had this wonderful baseball history and a lot

1001
00:44:52,758 --> 00:44:55,518
Speaker 3: of creativity. By worked in sailing for a couple of years,

1002
00:44:55,518 --> 00:44:59,638
Speaker 3: and Salem was like, I think, forty miles south of Portland,

1003
00:44:59,838 --> 00:45:01,998
Speaker 3: and I loved my little trips up there to Portland.

1004
00:45:02,278 --> 00:45:04,038
Speaker 3: I think that's the first time I laid eyes on

1005
00:45:04,078 --> 00:45:06,558
Speaker 3: the Starbucks is right around Portland in the late eighties.

1006
00:45:06,918 --> 00:45:07,318
Speaker 2: Wow.

1007
00:45:07,638 --> 00:45:09,438
Speaker 1: So there's a lot going on in the game, and

1008
00:45:09,478 --> 00:45:12,518
Speaker 1: I think we've got everybody caught up on the trade deadline,

1009
00:45:12,598 --> 00:45:14,838
Speaker 1: the Yankees the most amazing home run of the week.

1010
00:45:14,918 --> 00:45:16,918
Speaker 1: And that being said, Joe, we always leave the last

1011
00:45:16,918 --> 00:45:19,438
Speaker 1: word to you. What do you have for us today?

1012
00:45:19,638 --> 00:45:21,758
Speaker 3: May I go back into my own archives right here

1013
00:45:21,798 --> 00:45:22,318
Speaker 3: a little bit?

1014
00:45:22,718 --> 00:45:23,398
Speaker 2: Absolutely?

1015
00:45:23,678 --> 00:45:26,198
Speaker 3: You know, it's like you're talking about the Yankees, and

1016
00:45:26,278 --> 00:45:28,478
Speaker 3: I think sometimes and we're just talking about the game

1017
00:45:28,718 --> 00:45:30,998
Speaker 3: in general. Sometimes we can get too serious. Sometimes we

1018
00:45:31,038 --> 00:45:34,078
Speaker 3: take ourselves too seriously. Sometimes we make more out of it,

1019
00:45:34,278 --> 00:45:37,438
Speaker 3: we lose the entertainment factor and we get up up

1020
00:45:37,478 --> 00:45:39,678
Speaker 3: tight about everything. Man, I get up tight sometimes I

1021
00:45:39,678 --> 00:45:42,638
Speaker 3: hate when I do. I try to catch myself and

1022
00:45:42,678 --> 00:45:45,118
Speaker 3: then I move it along from there. It matters in

1023
00:45:45,198 --> 00:45:49,158
Speaker 3: this game. It will eat you alive, a baseball, golf,

1024
00:45:49,238 --> 00:45:51,438
Speaker 3: lot of the major league sports will eat you alive

1025
00:45:51,838 --> 00:45:55,638
Speaker 3: if you permit them. And after all, we've wanted to

1026
00:45:55,678 --> 00:45:58,518
Speaker 3: do these things since we were children kids. I know

1027
00:45:58,558 --> 00:45:59,998
Speaker 3: I wanted to be a big league player since I

1028
00:46:00,038 --> 00:46:01,638
Speaker 3: was six years old. They know that for a factor.

1029
00:46:01,638 --> 00:46:04,318
Speaker 3: I remember that distinctly, and so then you get this

1030
00:46:04,398 --> 00:46:07,718
Speaker 3: opportunity and instead of being fun and games, we treated

1031
00:46:07,838 --> 00:46:10,518
Speaker 3: like life and death. Wrong. So I'm going back to

1032
00:46:10,558 --> 00:46:13,278
Speaker 3: the twenty sixteen. I'm actually in Chicago doing this today.

1033
00:46:13,678 --> 00:46:16,358
Speaker 3: But never permit the pressure to exceed the pleasure of

1034
00:46:16,398 --> 00:46:20,118
Speaker 3: the moment. Sometimes we do that and it impacts our performance.

1035
00:46:20,598 --> 00:46:23,558
Speaker 3: Chris Bryant loved, loved that, saying KB would stand next

1036
00:46:23,558 --> 00:46:25,678
Speaker 3: to me and if I thought he was uptied, I

1037
00:46:25,678 --> 00:46:28,038
Speaker 3: would always lay that out there at him a little bit.

1038
00:46:28,398 --> 00:46:30,598
Speaker 3: It's funny, how you know, just a little phrase or

1039
00:46:30,598 --> 00:46:34,438
Speaker 3: words sometimes could totally change your attitude, your perspective, because

1040
00:46:34,478 --> 00:46:36,398
Speaker 3: it's just the thought. We are what we think all

1041
00:46:36,478 --> 00:46:39,278
Speaker 3: day long. Whenever we're thinking about who we are, that's

1042
00:46:39,318 --> 00:46:42,358
Speaker 3: who we are. And if you apply these negative thoughts

1043
00:46:42,398 --> 00:46:46,358
Speaker 3: and moments to yourself or misrepresent it's gonna drag you down.

1044
00:46:46,438 --> 00:46:49,638
Speaker 3: So never permit the pressure to exceed the pleasure for

1045
00:46:49,758 --> 00:46:51,558
Speaker 3: something that you've wanted to do your entire life.

1046
00:46:51,638 --> 00:46:54,558
Speaker 1: Always, Joe, those are wise words, and I think, especially

1047
00:46:54,598 --> 00:46:56,918
Speaker 1: now when I think about the New York Yankees, probably

1048
00:46:56,958 --> 00:46:58,318
Speaker 1: never more important to remember that.

1049
00:46:58,438 --> 00:47:00,958
Speaker 3: Right. Absolutely, they're going to pull out. They're going to

1050
00:47:00,998 --> 00:47:03,358
Speaker 3: be fine. What does that mean? I mean, I don't know,

1051
00:47:03,358 --> 00:47:06,598
Speaker 3: they're they're kind of like cracking to be a playoff

1052
00:47:06,638 --> 00:47:09,438
Speaker 3: team kind of, but not necessarily that you could believe

1053
00:47:09,438 --> 00:47:11,358
Speaker 3: that they're gonna win the World Series. That's and that's

1054
00:47:11,358 --> 00:47:14,118
Speaker 3: who they are. That's how they that's their DNA, that's

1055
00:47:14,158 --> 00:47:17,358
Speaker 3: what they strive for an annual basis that they never conceive.

1056
00:47:17,518 --> 00:47:20,238
Speaker 3: So it's gonna take something. I mean, judge has to

1057
00:47:20,238 --> 00:47:23,318
Speaker 3: be judged for that to happen. This now new lockdown

1058
00:47:23,358 --> 00:47:26,358
Speaker 3: bullpen has to be all of that guild coming back

1059
00:47:26,438 --> 00:47:28,438
Speaker 3: and make a difference. You know, he's gonna be fine.

1060
00:47:28,438 --> 00:47:29,998
Speaker 3: He can get all the way deep the other day.

1061
00:47:30,038 --> 00:47:32,198
Speaker 3: But they have that. I mean, they're pitching, they got

1062
00:47:32,198 --> 00:47:35,318
Speaker 3: the tools, man, they just got to play a more.

1063
00:47:35,998 --> 00:47:38,238
Speaker 3: They do, for lack of better terms, a fundamental game

1064
00:47:38,678 --> 00:47:40,958
Speaker 3: don't worry about home runs as much. Move the base. Well,

1065
00:47:40,958 --> 00:47:43,398
Speaker 3: look at Milwaukee, God damn Milwaukee and Milwaukee the way

1066
00:47:43,438 --> 00:47:45,958
Speaker 3: they play offense right now was so refreshing to watch,

1067
00:47:46,718 --> 00:47:48,398
Speaker 3: and other teams are starting to catch on to that

1068
00:47:48,478 --> 00:47:50,358
Speaker 3: a little bit too. But just play the whole game.

1069
00:47:50,398 --> 00:47:53,038
Speaker 3: Play the whole game, Play the complete game, and permit

1070
00:47:53,118 --> 00:47:55,398
Speaker 3: your pitching and your bullpen to take care of it,

1071
00:47:55,878 --> 00:47:57,918
Speaker 3: and they'll be back. They're gonna They're gonna get a

1072
00:47:57,918 --> 00:47:59,478
Speaker 3: hot again. They're gonna get hot because I think their

1073
00:47:59,478 --> 00:48:00,878
Speaker 3: bullpen's going to permit that to happen.

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Speaker 1: Well, Joe, it's shaping up as just an amazing sprint

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Speaker 1: to the finish because I look in both leagues and

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Speaker 1: I really don't see a singular standout team. I see

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Speaker 1: a bunch of teams that could be playing in the

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Speaker 1: World Series. I'm not sure I can remember a time

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Speaker 1: where there are so many different permutations for what a

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Speaker 1: World Series matchup might be. So I agree with you,

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Speaker 1: the Yankees are going to hit their stride again. I

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Speaker 1: think they need to find something that changes the tenor

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Speaker 1: the temperature of the room. They have the talent to

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Speaker 1: get back there, and there's no question about it, but

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Speaker 1: they need to find something to flip the script right here.

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Speaker 1: And the National League is completely and I mean completely

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Speaker 1: wide open since the Dodgers we don't know about their health.

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Speaker 1: There's many teams. I mean, five or six teams could

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Speaker 1: go to the World Series for sure in the National League.

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Speaker 2: So it's shaping up just a great finish.

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Speaker 3: Last point let alone. But I agree with you on

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Speaker 3: the Yankees need to flip the switch somehow. I first

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Speaker 3: thought then slicing it the next opportunity that pops up,

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Speaker 3: and it's going to pop up where Boonie may have

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Speaker 3: to be a little bit more demonstrative. He may have

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Speaker 3: to be and I know what I said earlier, but again,

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Speaker 3: if there's a real bonehead play out there, he might

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Speaker 3: have to pull somebody. They're not going to make any

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Speaker 3: anything other than that. I don't think it's not going

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Speaker 3: to be like, you know, a couple weeks ago, I

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Speaker 3: was talking about Fulpi and sending him down and he

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Speaker 3: started singing the back pretty good. But I watched his

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Speaker 3: defense defense and it's still it's very sloppy. So I

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Speaker 3: don't know. I don't know. It's maybe repositioning people. I

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Speaker 3: don't know, because they got Rosario there. I don't even

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Speaker 3: know if he's played yet, so maybe it's gonna require something.

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Speaker 3: You're right, it's gonna require a flip switching moment, and

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Speaker 3: those things happen, and when they happen, the team can't

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Speaker 3: catch fire.

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Speaker 2: Absolutely. You saw it last year with the Tigers. Always

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Speaker 2: a pleasure, Joe, great job.

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