1 00:00:19,680 --> 00:00:24,200 Speaker 1: Alrighty fishing filtered episode sixty five. We're back. Winter meetings 2 00:00:24,200 --> 00:00:26,880 Speaker 1: have ended now next week event would be pitches and 3 00:00:26,920 --> 00:00:29,960 Speaker 1: catchers reporting. Draft lottery also ended. So I'm here with 4 00:00:30,200 --> 00:00:32,880 Speaker 1: Kevin Brawl, your host, with Isaac Azoot, my good friend 5 00:00:32,880 --> 00:00:35,239 Speaker 1: and co host, and we have Alex Krutchik coming back 6 00:00:35,280 --> 00:00:39,800 Speaker 1: from Dallas I believe, not even twenty four hours ago. Isaac, 7 00:00:39,800 --> 00:00:41,920 Speaker 1: First of all, what's up. It's been a while. Excited 8 00:00:41,920 --> 00:00:43,880 Speaker 1: to be back. We have a lot to talk about. Nonetheless, 9 00:00:44,320 --> 00:00:47,200 Speaker 1: Jake Berger's traded Marlons had added a catcher to the roster, 10 00:00:47,320 --> 00:00:50,880 Speaker 1: and the draft lottery, which couldn't have gone any worse. 11 00:00:52,640 --> 00:00:54,520 Speaker 2: Yeah, no, it it's been an exciting I don't know 12 00:00:54,520 --> 00:00:56,680 Speaker 2: if exciting to write word, but it's been a tumultuous 13 00:00:57,320 --> 00:01:00,200 Speaker 2: seventy two hours. I'm sure Krutchick can agree with that. 14 00:01:00,480 --> 00:01:03,160 Speaker 2: A lot happened across all of Major League Baseball during 15 00:01:03,200 --> 00:01:05,039 Speaker 2: the Winter Meetings, which I was glad to see because 16 00:01:05,080 --> 00:01:07,200 Speaker 2: I fill like over the last few years or a 17 00:01:07,200 --> 00:01:10,319 Speaker 2: few off seasons, the Winter meetings have been relatively quiet, 18 00:01:10,480 --> 00:01:14,600 Speaker 2: and that was the furthest from that case. This winter, highlighted, 19 00:01:14,640 --> 00:01:17,840 Speaker 2: of course by the Jake Berger trade. Of course, bon 20 00:01:17,920 --> 00:01:21,920 Speaker 2: Soto signing, Eric Crochet getting traded, and a whole lot 21 00:01:21,959 --> 00:01:23,920 Speaker 2: more so, I am glad to see that this was 22 00:01:23,959 --> 00:01:27,039 Speaker 2: the climax of the off season yet again, because it's 23 00:01:27,040 --> 00:01:28,600 Speaker 2: I think it's important for the game at baseball where 24 00:01:28,600 --> 00:01:31,120 Speaker 2: some of the bigger moves happened during the Winter meetings, 25 00:01:31,319 --> 00:01:35,000 Speaker 2: And yeah, I'm excited to touch on it all. 26 00:01:35,760 --> 00:01:38,280 Speaker 1: Yeah, definitely. I felt like for a while Winter meetings 27 00:01:38,319 --> 00:01:40,600 Speaker 1: had actually been pretty boring. I mean, I remember last season, 28 00:01:40,640 --> 00:01:44,120 Speaker 1: you were there, eyes, nothing happened. I mean these you know, 29 00:01:44,160 --> 00:01:47,880 Speaker 1: like Blake Snell didn't sign till god like right before 30 00:01:47,880 --> 00:01:50,880 Speaker 1: the season started, so project could get yourself a pretty 31 00:01:50,920 --> 00:01:53,040 Speaker 1: good winter meetings, I would say, I just talked about 32 00:01:53,040 --> 00:01:58,160 Speaker 1: the experience. And then, well, last day or midnight, Jake 33 00:01:58,160 --> 00:02:01,280 Speaker 1: Berger gets traded to the Texas Ranger. Was very surprising. 34 00:02:01,880 --> 00:02:06,480 Speaker 1: Nobody saw that coming, absolutely nobody, Although it was mentioned 35 00:02:06,520 --> 00:02:10,239 Speaker 1: on Christina Di Nicole's article not too long ago. Jake 36 00:02:10,240 --> 00:02:14,280 Speaker 1: Berger traded for three prospects at Chederie vargasz Maxa Coosta, 37 00:02:14,360 --> 00:02:20,600 Speaker 1: and Brian Mendoza, two infielders, one pitcher. Berger under contract 38 00:02:20,639 --> 00:02:23,520 Speaker 1: up until twenty twenty nine, does not going to arbitration 39 00:02:23,680 --> 00:02:24,840 Speaker 1: until twenty twenty six. 40 00:02:26,360 --> 00:02:30,400 Speaker 3: Yeah, Kevin. I so that was Tuesday, Tuesday night. I 41 00:02:30,440 --> 00:02:35,720 Speaker 3: spent that entire day writing at rather covering the draft 42 00:02:35,760 --> 00:02:38,360 Speaker 3: lottery and the Marlins getting the seventh pick in the 43 00:02:38,360 --> 00:02:41,320 Speaker 3: twenty twenty five draft, and then I spent a lot 44 00:02:41,360 --> 00:02:44,640 Speaker 3: of time trying to figure out around the hotel, trying 45 00:02:44,639 --> 00:02:46,320 Speaker 3: to talk to people and figure out if the Hey 46 00:02:46,360 --> 00:02:49,760 Speaker 3: sus Lozardo trade rumors were legit. And then I get 47 00:02:49,760 --> 00:02:51,960 Speaker 3: blindsided by a trade that I didn't see coming at all. 48 00:02:52,000 --> 00:02:54,480 Speaker 3: I don't think you guys saw coming at all. The 49 00:02:54,560 --> 00:02:57,200 Speaker 3: Jake Burger News. The Jake Burger News hit at like 50 00:02:57,240 --> 00:03:00,800 Speaker 3: eleven thirty local time in Dallas. At that point, all 51 00:03:00,840 --> 00:03:02,440 Speaker 3: of my stories had been done for the day, all 52 00:03:02,480 --> 00:03:05,840 Speaker 3: of my research and due diligence for Hayesus Wizardo and 53 00:03:05,880 --> 00:03:09,679 Speaker 3: a couple of other things were finished. I had turned 54 00:03:09,680 --> 00:03:12,240 Speaker 3: the lights off in my hotel room, my phone was 55 00:03:12,280 --> 00:03:15,240 Speaker 3: on my nightstand, my alarms were set for the next morning, 56 00:03:15,240 --> 00:03:17,520 Speaker 3: and all of a sudden, my phone blows up and 57 00:03:17,560 --> 00:03:21,280 Speaker 3: I see Jake Berner trade into the Texas Rangers, really 58 00:03:21,360 --> 00:03:25,880 Speaker 3: out of left field. It took me by surprise. I 59 00:03:25,919 --> 00:03:28,320 Speaker 3: know it was in Christina's newsletter, but it was still 60 00:03:28,360 --> 00:03:32,040 Speaker 3: one of those things where there was just no indication 61 00:03:32,360 --> 00:03:35,320 Speaker 3: of them doing such a thing because and we'll get 62 00:03:35,320 --> 00:03:39,520 Speaker 3: into this, I'm sure, but he was not even eligible 63 00:03:39,520 --> 00:03:42,320 Speaker 3: for arbitration until next season. He was gonna make eight 64 00:03:42,440 --> 00:03:46,520 Speaker 3: hundred thousand dollars this season, and he wasn't due for 65 00:03:48,120 --> 00:03:51,080 Speaker 3: a contract extension until twenty twenty nine. He wasn't going 66 00:03:51,120 --> 00:03:53,160 Speaker 3: to be a free age until twenty twenty nine. So 67 00:03:53,240 --> 00:03:54,680 Speaker 3: I just did not see this coming. 68 00:03:55,800 --> 00:03:59,200 Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, Isaac will just talk about the trade, 69 00:03:59,320 --> 00:04:02,880 Speaker 1: but even more just the optics kind of it. You know, 70 00:04:03,000 --> 00:04:06,920 Speaker 1: you're trading a guy who, I mean kind of is 71 00:04:06,960 --> 00:04:09,720 Speaker 1: the fan favorite. He was the fan favorite. Everyone loved him, 72 00:04:09,840 --> 00:04:12,800 Speaker 1: great promotional guy with Burger King. We saw this whole season, 73 00:04:13,440 --> 00:04:15,960 Speaker 1: and it's a guy who, like Crutchik said, he was 74 00:04:16,000 --> 00:04:18,680 Speaker 1: making I think it's seven to sixty eight hundred k. 75 00:04:18,839 --> 00:04:21,760 Speaker 1: Like he's not making a lot, and he just missed 76 00:04:21,760 --> 00:04:25,000 Speaker 1: the Super two deadline, which you know, it's pretty good 77 00:04:25,040 --> 00:04:28,320 Speaker 1: for the Marlins in that case him next season. Now 78 00:04:28,560 --> 00:04:29,960 Speaker 1: we have to look at it on the other side 79 00:04:30,000 --> 00:04:32,240 Speaker 1: of things, where this is a guy who you don't 80 00:04:32,320 --> 00:04:34,120 Speaker 1: know if he would have hit thirty home runs again 81 00:04:34,160 --> 00:04:36,279 Speaker 1: for another season, or would have had the season that 82 00:04:36,320 --> 00:04:38,200 Speaker 1: he did have. He was he had an OBP ndor 83 00:04:38,279 --> 00:04:41,920 Speaker 1: two under three hundred, didn't hit very much for contact, 84 00:04:41,960 --> 00:04:44,479 Speaker 1: and he did struggle a lot during the season. So 85 00:04:45,000 --> 00:04:47,200 Speaker 1: you really didn't know what Jake Berger you were gonna get. 86 00:04:47,240 --> 00:04:51,040 Speaker 1: But the one big offensive piece you did have now 87 00:04:51,120 --> 00:04:53,640 Speaker 1: gone and I don't even know who they're gonna rely 88 00:04:53,720 --> 00:04:56,280 Speaker 1: off of next season. But just talk about that, because 89 00:04:56,279 --> 00:04:57,840 Speaker 1: I know he said you had a you. 90 00:04:57,800 --> 00:04:59,839 Speaker 2: Have a lot of Yeah, there's a lot to talk 91 00:05:00,200 --> 00:05:03,080 Speaker 2: with this trade. Just the whole return. Obviously, that's one 92 00:05:03,080 --> 00:05:04,760 Speaker 2: part of the trade, the baseball trade. Then the whole 93 00:05:04,760 --> 00:05:08,200 Speaker 2: optics that you said about trading away your most marketable player, 94 00:05:08,240 --> 00:05:10,600 Speaker 2: the most popular player that you were able to acquire 95 00:05:10,680 --> 00:05:13,039 Speaker 2: in twenty twenty three, and he just goes off. He 96 00:05:13,080 --> 00:05:15,360 Speaker 2: didn't probably have the same success that he did have 97 00:05:15,440 --> 00:05:17,919 Speaker 2: in twenty twenty three with the Marlins, but still that 98 00:05:18,000 --> 00:05:19,840 Speaker 2: second half that he had it he almost reached thirty 99 00:05:19,839 --> 00:05:22,159 Speaker 2: home runs again after a really really slow start to 100 00:05:22,160 --> 00:05:24,799 Speaker 2: the season, and I think, yeah, it was a pretty 101 00:05:24,800 --> 00:05:26,560 Speaker 2: safe bet that he was in hit another thirty home 102 00:05:26,640 --> 00:05:30,279 Speaker 2: runs next year, albeit with a high two hundred on 103 00:05:30,320 --> 00:05:32,560 Speaker 2: base percentage. And that's not to say that he's not 104 00:05:33,200 --> 00:05:35,760 Speaker 2: a flawed player. He is. If he weren't, he would 105 00:05:35,760 --> 00:05:38,359 Speaker 2: be making more than eight hundred thousand dollars this year. However, 106 00:05:38,400 --> 00:05:41,719 Speaker 2: for this team, a team that I think Hayesu Sanchez 107 00:05:41,760 --> 00:05:45,200 Speaker 2: is going to lead in home runs now, I think 108 00:05:45,600 --> 00:05:48,560 Speaker 2: is so valuable to not only just on the field, 109 00:05:48,880 --> 00:05:50,520 Speaker 2: because he's the type of guy that you want in 110 00:05:50,560 --> 00:05:53,000 Speaker 2: that clubhouse, whether you're going to the postseason like we 111 00:05:53,040 --> 00:05:55,200 Speaker 2: saw in twenty three, or you're losing one hundred games 112 00:05:55,200 --> 00:05:57,080 Speaker 2: like you saw last year. That is someone that you 113 00:05:57,120 --> 00:05:59,599 Speaker 2: really would like to keep around when things are tough 114 00:06:00,040 --> 00:06:02,479 Speaker 2: and things are great. So that's the argument that I 115 00:06:02,520 --> 00:06:04,680 Speaker 2: had against doing this now, because we don't think that 116 00:06:04,720 --> 00:06:06,960 Speaker 2: twenty twenty four or twenty twenty five, I'm sorry, it's 117 00:06:06,960 --> 00:06:09,159 Speaker 2: gonna be much better than it was last year. This 118 00:06:09,279 --> 00:06:13,719 Speaker 2: trade definitely confirms that. And so even before that, I 119 00:06:13,760 --> 00:06:15,400 Speaker 2: thought that that was someone that you would really like 120 00:06:15,440 --> 00:06:19,040 Speaker 2: to not necessarily build around, but a solid player that 121 00:06:19,320 --> 00:06:21,760 Speaker 2: it would really benefit the Marlins to have. Not to 122 00:06:21,760 --> 00:06:24,400 Speaker 2: mention the marketability, they had five dollars Burger Knite for 123 00:06:24,400 --> 00:06:27,599 Speaker 2: Pete's sake, and you know, that's that whole thing is 124 00:06:27,640 --> 00:06:29,840 Speaker 2: just gonna go away, unfortunately. And I think Berger was 125 00:06:29,880 --> 00:06:31,800 Speaker 2: like the one name that you know, even my friends 126 00:06:31,839 --> 00:06:34,400 Speaker 2: that aren't baseball fans, they knew about Jake Berger. I 127 00:06:34,400 --> 00:06:36,520 Speaker 2: don't think they know about anyone else unfortunately, No disrespect 128 00:06:36,560 --> 00:06:38,360 Speaker 2: to Sandy or any of the other players on this 129 00:06:38,400 --> 00:06:40,719 Speaker 2: team or the pitchers that are, you know, pretty popular. 130 00:06:41,120 --> 00:06:44,279 Speaker 2: It's different when you're an everyday player, and Jake Berger 131 00:06:44,440 --> 00:06:47,359 Speaker 2: was that. And it was a tough pill to swallow 132 00:06:47,400 --> 00:06:49,800 Speaker 2: because he really did treat the media extremely well. He 133 00:06:50,000 --> 00:06:54,520 Speaker 2: was a pros pro, And yeah, it was a tough one. 134 00:06:54,520 --> 00:06:56,479 Speaker 2: And then after that, of course, we'll get into the 135 00:06:56,480 --> 00:06:59,320 Speaker 2: return in a little bit, but yeah, I was I 136 00:06:59,320 --> 00:07:02,240 Speaker 2: was pretty surprise at the timing. Do you risk it 137 00:07:02,320 --> 00:07:03,880 Speaker 2: and wait till the deadline when a team gets a 138 00:07:03,920 --> 00:07:07,040 Speaker 2: little bit desperate in July of twenty twenty five. Maybe 139 00:07:07,040 --> 00:07:09,040 Speaker 2: he has an awful first half of he had last year. 140 00:07:09,320 --> 00:07:12,480 Speaker 2: I don't know, but from what I've read and what 141 00:07:12,520 --> 00:07:14,840 Speaker 2: I've seen, I think they did okay in the trade 142 00:07:14,840 --> 00:07:17,600 Speaker 2: with the three projects that we'll get into. But nevertheless, 143 00:07:17,600 --> 00:07:19,680 Speaker 2: there's gonna be a gaping hole in that. 144 00:07:19,600 --> 00:07:23,320 Speaker 1: Lineup for the next couple of years, and with Berger, 145 00:07:23,400 --> 00:07:26,280 Speaker 1: the Marlins had were twenty seventh in home runs and 146 00:07:26,320 --> 00:07:29,880 Speaker 1: they were twenty six Yeah. Yes, so their offense was 147 00:07:29,920 --> 00:07:33,000 Speaker 1: already no offense putrid to say the least, and it 148 00:07:33,040 --> 00:07:36,680 Speaker 1: got even worse. Let's talk about the red turn three 149 00:07:36,720 --> 00:07:41,720 Speaker 1: prospects at Trudary Vargas, Maxa Costa, and Brian Mendoza. A 150 00:07:41,840 --> 00:07:44,800 Speaker 1: Costa was a guy who was signed a pretty long 151 00:07:44,840 --> 00:07:46,800 Speaker 1: time ago, missed the first two years of his career, 152 00:07:46,840 --> 00:07:49,880 Speaker 1: and had a very nice twenty twenty four season at 153 00:07:49,880 --> 00:07:51,640 Speaker 1: the Double A level. I would assume he goes to 154 00:07:51,680 --> 00:07:54,680 Speaker 1: triple at the beginning of the year. Vargas is just 155 00:07:54,760 --> 00:07:56,760 Speaker 1: nineteen years old, still a long way to go. We'll 156 00:07:56,760 --> 00:07:59,040 Speaker 1: see what happens with him. But to many he's actually 157 00:07:59,040 --> 00:08:01,520 Speaker 1: considered the the the main piece in this deal. But 158 00:08:01,920 --> 00:08:03,360 Speaker 1: I would kind of disagree with that. I think it's 159 00:08:03,360 --> 00:08:05,000 Speaker 1: a coast and I think we were talking about that, 160 00:08:05,040 --> 00:08:07,840 Speaker 1: you know, when this trade went down. And finally Ryan Mendoza, 161 00:08:08,200 --> 00:08:11,040 Speaker 1: I think also he's only twenty years old. He's repeated 162 00:08:11,080 --> 00:08:13,440 Speaker 1: the you know, a couple levels a couple of times, 163 00:08:14,440 --> 00:08:17,160 Speaker 1: but he started very nice twenty twenty four season at 164 00:08:17,160 --> 00:08:20,840 Speaker 1: the high A level. So Isaac just talked about these guys. 165 00:08:20,880 --> 00:08:22,440 Speaker 1: I know you're pretty high on a coast that we 166 00:08:22,520 --> 00:08:24,360 Speaker 1: added him to our top thirty. Actually we added a 167 00:08:24,440 --> 00:08:28,080 Speaker 1: coast to and Vargas to the top thirty. Mendoza kind 168 00:08:28,080 --> 00:08:30,920 Speaker 1: of just off of the top thirty. Maybe once we 169 00:08:30,960 --> 00:08:33,000 Speaker 1: see a little bit more, we see where he maybe starts, 170 00:08:33,520 --> 00:08:35,520 Speaker 1: you know, in twenty twenty five, we could maybe maybe 171 00:08:35,520 --> 00:08:36,040 Speaker 1: ad him on that. 172 00:08:36,920 --> 00:08:39,199 Speaker 2: The theme with these players seems to be that they 173 00:08:39,320 --> 00:08:42,080 Speaker 2: all trended. They're all trending in the right direction. At 174 00:08:42,080 --> 00:08:45,040 Speaker 2: this point, you mentioned a coast that he was international 175 00:08:45,080 --> 00:08:46,959 Speaker 2: free I think he was like twenty second according to 176 00:08:47,040 --> 00:08:49,760 Speaker 2: MLV pipeline among international free agents in twenty nineteen. That 177 00:08:49,800 --> 00:08:52,240 Speaker 2: was the same year as Jason Dominguez was an international 178 00:08:52,320 --> 00:08:54,600 Speaker 2: free agent. Just a fans have a time frame on that. 179 00:08:55,000 --> 00:08:57,160 Speaker 2: And yeah, he missed the entire twenty twenty season because 180 00:08:57,160 --> 00:09:00,280 Speaker 2: of COVID. He missed the almost the entire twenty twenty 181 00:09:00,320 --> 00:09:03,560 Speaker 2: one season because of a gruesome ankle injury. And yeah, 182 00:09:03,559 --> 00:09:05,640 Speaker 2: he's a very young kid that now. In twenty twenty four, 183 00:09:05,679 --> 00:09:08,839 Speaker 2: he played the entire double A season as a twenty 184 00:09:08,840 --> 00:09:11,439 Speaker 2: one year old and he really performed well, especially in 185 00:09:11,440 --> 00:09:13,640 Speaker 2: the second half of the minor league season. From July 186 00:09:13,760 --> 00:09:16,199 Speaker 2: first on. In the two hundred and forty played appearances, 187 00:09:16,600 --> 00:09:19,040 Speaker 2: he crushed the ball, slashing three ten, three seventy one 188 00:09:20,280 --> 00:09:24,040 Speaker 2: for seventy four. So he along with Etcheri Vargas, It's 189 00:09:24,040 --> 00:09:25,959 Speaker 2: gonna take me a while to pronounce that name correctly, 190 00:09:25,960 --> 00:09:28,800 Speaker 2: but same thing with him. The second half of his season, 191 00:09:29,000 --> 00:09:31,800 Speaker 2: he performed extremely well with eight hundred ohps as well, 192 00:09:31,800 --> 00:09:34,480 Speaker 2: and same thing with Mendoza. They all really had strong 193 00:09:34,520 --> 00:09:37,040 Speaker 2: finishes to the season. Mendoz has ended with a promotion 194 00:09:37,120 --> 00:09:40,720 Speaker 2: to HIA, and yeah, I'm a little bit higher on 195 00:09:40,720 --> 00:09:43,120 Speaker 2: a Coasta. The consensus I see is that he's a 196 00:09:43,120 --> 00:09:46,520 Speaker 2: little bit more of a limited ceiling than Vargas. Fargus 197 00:09:46,559 --> 00:09:49,200 Speaker 2: a little bit more risk, but all three have immense risk. 198 00:09:49,280 --> 00:09:52,960 Speaker 2: All three have men's side as well. Probably Vargas the 199 00:09:53,000 --> 00:09:56,200 Speaker 2: most upside from what I've seen, but I'm very excited. 200 00:09:56,280 --> 00:09:57,720 Speaker 2: I believe that all three will be in major league 201 00:09:57,720 --> 00:10:01,040 Speaker 2: camp this year. So the ray for Leak's schedule just 202 00:10:01,080 --> 00:10:02,320 Speaker 2: got a lot more interesting. For sure. 203 00:10:03,520 --> 00:10:06,480 Speaker 1: You think you think something like Vargas at nineteen and 204 00:10:06,480 --> 00:10:10,160 Speaker 1: and Mendozo would be there. I don't know. 205 00:10:11,559 --> 00:10:12,440 Speaker 2: Possibly, I don't know. 206 00:10:12,880 --> 00:10:14,400 Speaker 1: Coast is the only one that kind of makes sense 207 00:10:14,440 --> 00:10:14,559 Speaker 1: to me. 208 00:10:15,160 --> 00:10:17,720 Speaker 2: He's on the forty man, so he has to be maybe, yeah, 209 00:10:19,559 --> 00:10:20,880 Speaker 2: we'll see about. 210 00:10:20,840 --> 00:10:23,480 Speaker 1: I mean, but they would also have Serna there, you know, 211 00:10:23,640 --> 00:10:27,080 Speaker 1: so it would be interesting right on playing time. They're 212 00:10:27,120 --> 00:10:31,600 Speaker 1: not really gunna, you know. So so let's talk about 213 00:10:31,640 --> 00:10:34,200 Speaker 1: kind of what the trade also means, because now the 214 00:10:34,240 --> 00:10:37,120 Speaker 1: Marlins find themselves in a situation where this is one 215 00:10:37,160 --> 00:10:38,920 Speaker 1: of the youngest. This was already going to be one 216 00:10:38,960 --> 00:10:41,520 Speaker 1: of the youngest teams in baseball. Now I want to 217 00:10:41,559 --> 00:10:44,960 Speaker 1: say it's the youngest and pretty close to maybe second youngest. 218 00:10:46,120 --> 00:10:48,079 Speaker 1: I think the oldest player is Jonah Bride, which is 219 00:10:48,080 --> 00:10:50,400 Speaker 1: twenty nine, or Anthony Bend, who's gonna be thirty. There's 220 00:10:50,400 --> 00:10:53,680 Speaker 1: no player over thirty years old, Crutch, I know you 221 00:10:53,679 --> 00:10:56,200 Speaker 1: guys spoke to Peter Bendix and he and I'm surprised 222 00:10:56,200 --> 00:10:57,960 Speaker 1: by the response he gave, to be honest, where he 223 00:10:58,040 --> 00:11:00,880 Speaker 1: kind of said that, you know, signing a veteran players 224 00:11:00,920 --> 00:11:03,160 Speaker 1: actually something they're gonna look into. I think more or 225 00:11:03,200 --> 00:11:05,600 Speaker 1: less what he said, Joe talk about that, I know 226 00:11:05,640 --> 00:11:07,719 Speaker 1: there's some options they do need a first baseman, to 227 00:11:07,760 --> 00:11:10,360 Speaker 1: be honest with you, I mean unless Davis and Deiela 228 00:11:10,440 --> 00:11:13,840 Speaker 1: Santos absolutely kills it in spring training, but I don't 229 00:11:13,960 --> 00:11:16,520 Speaker 1: think they would put him on the opening day roster, 230 00:11:16,640 --> 00:11:19,720 Speaker 1: saying with an Augustin Ramirez. So just talk about, you know, 231 00:11:19,760 --> 00:11:22,920 Speaker 1: the potential of bringing in a veteran presence, which they're 232 00:11:22,920 --> 00:11:24,440 Speaker 1: gonna need regardless. 233 00:11:24,880 --> 00:11:27,520 Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, Anthony Rizzo and Carlos Santana are out there 234 00:11:27,520 --> 00:11:28,760 Speaker 3: and just wedding to be sucked up. 235 00:11:29,920 --> 00:11:32,000 Speaker 1: But like I hear it too, he's a gold glover. 236 00:11:32,400 --> 00:11:34,679 Speaker 1: Well who Santana it was a gold glover. 237 00:11:35,240 --> 00:11:38,280 Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, no, I mean like it's gonna I think 238 00:11:38,280 --> 00:11:41,000 Speaker 3: it's gonna have to kind of look like the end 239 00:11:41,040 --> 00:11:43,560 Speaker 3: of the Lauria days, where it felt like every year 240 00:11:43,600 --> 00:11:46,280 Speaker 3: there was a new random veteran that used to be 241 00:11:46,320 --> 00:11:48,840 Speaker 3: really really good who's now like in the twilight years 242 00:11:48,840 --> 00:11:51,640 Speaker 3: of his career that just needs like one more contract 243 00:11:51,640 --> 00:11:54,319 Speaker 3: before he retires. I think Anthony Rizzo could be a 244 00:11:54,360 --> 00:11:56,400 Speaker 3: go go. I think Tantana can be a good one. 245 00:11:57,480 --> 00:11:59,880 Speaker 3: I certainly hope that they try to add veteran presence 246 00:12:00,040 --> 00:12:04,960 Speaker 3: because I know this is I know it's different sports, 247 00:12:05,320 --> 00:12:10,320 Speaker 3: but part of why certain teams in the NBA and 248 00:12:10,360 --> 00:12:14,080 Speaker 3: the NFL struggle to get themselves out of the youth 249 00:12:14,160 --> 00:12:18,600 Speaker 3: movement and into success is because there's no veteran presence all, 250 00:12:18,840 --> 00:12:22,440 Speaker 3: just a group of high draft picks that don't have 251 00:12:23,320 --> 00:12:27,160 Speaker 3: a whole lot of player leadership. So even though the 252 00:12:27,160 --> 00:12:29,760 Speaker 3: guys around there are good, I do think that there's 253 00:12:29,960 --> 00:12:32,920 Speaker 3: talent coming up. You do need a guy who's gonna 254 00:12:32,960 --> 00:12:37,920 Speaker 3: tell you how the league works and how just being 255 00:12:37,920 --> 00:12:40,280 Speaker 3: in the major leagues works, both on the field and 256 00:12:40,320 --> 00:12:44,160 Speaker 3: off the field. So I certainly do hope that Bendix 257 00:12:44,320 --> 00:12:47,280 Speaker 3: stays true to his word and brings in a veteran. 258 00:12:47,320 --> 00:12:49,720 Speaker 3: There are veterans out there. There are guys out there 259 00:12:49,760 --> 00:12:52,880 Speaker 3: that are looking for contracts. There's guys, especially at that position, 260 00:12:53,679 --> 00:12:55,600 Speaker 3: so it won't be hard to find. We just got 261 00:12:55,640 --> 00:12:57,400 Speaker 3: to see if he will spend the money for it. 262 00:12:59,880 --> 00:13:01,719 Speaker 2: I don't know if there are obviously a lot of 263 00:13:01,800 --> 00:13:03,400 Speaker 2: veterans out there, but I'm not sure they're gonna be 264 00:13:03,440 --> 00:13:06,000 Speaker 2: targeting like the Santennas and the Rizzos, because if they 265 00:13:06,040 --> 00:13:08,280 Speaker 2: wanted to get a first baseman like that, they would 266 00:13:08,280 --> 00:13:10,480 Speaker 2: have just kept Berger. And I feel like you do 267 00:13:10,559 --> 00:13:13,120 Speaker 2: feel comfortable with giving Joonah Bride and Davison Delo Santos 268 00:13:13,120 --> 00:13:14,880 Speaker 2: a lot of time. At first. They are very adamant 269 00:13:14,880 --> 00:13:17,360 Speaker 2: about Connor Norby at third d Age is a little 270 00:13:17,360 --> 00:13:19,040 Speaker 2: bit of an open spot. So you're right there maybe 271 00:13:19,200 --> 00:13:23,120 Speaker 2: is a room for a Corlo Santana. But you'd hope that, 272 00:13:23,240 --> 00:13:25,120 Speaker 2: you know, with a young team like this, like you said, 273 00:13:25,360 --> 00:13:28,320 Speaker 2: entire team in their twenties, that maybe a veteran coaching 274 00:13:28,360 --> 00:13:30,360 Speaker 2: staff could you know, sort of lead the way. But no, 275 00:13:30,400 --> 00:13:32,120 Speaker 2: they don't have a veteran coaching staff at all. It's 276 00:13:32,120 --> 00:13:34,360 Speaker 2: a first year manager, it's a first year bench coach, 277 00:13:35,320 --> 00:13:38,120 Speaker 2: first year pitching coach. Well, he was an assistant pitching coach, 278 00:13:38,160 --> 00:13:40,040 Speaker 2: but first time he's gonna have the whole staff himself, 279 00:13:40,559 --> 00:13:43,480 Speaker 2: so he's gonna have it's gonna be a very young, 280 00:13:44,080 --> 00:13:46,640 Speaker 2: inexperienced team in twenty twenty five. 281 00:13:48,200 --> 00:13:51,680 Speaker 1: It certainly is. So all right, let's talk about the 282 00:13:51,760 --> 00:13:55,679 Speaker 1: rule five. Marlins, I think, to our surprise, kind of 283 00:13:56,200 --> 00:13:57,600 Speaker 1: shocked us a little bit with their selection. 284 00:13:58,800 --> 00:14:05,280 Speaker 2: Miami Marlins select Liam Hicks h i c ks catcher 285 00:14:05,679 --> 00:14:07,400 Speaker 2: Detroit Tigers triple A. 286 00:14:07,440 --> 00:14:11,640 Speaker 3: Roster Miami more than so, like Liam Hicks a catcher 287 00:14:11,640 --> 00:14:13,240 Speaker 3: from the Tigers triple A roster. 288 00:14:14,240 --> 00:14:16,920 Speaker 1: So the day prior they released Mike Ballman, which kind 289 00:14:16,920 --> 00:14:18,440 Speaker 1: of led us to thinking, all right, they're gonna take 290 00:14:18,480 --> 00:14:20,560 Speaker 1: a picture. Usually you do take a picture of the 291 00:14:20,640 --> 00:14:24,600 Speaker 1: rule five because hitters are pretty hitted. Miss hit or miss, 292 00:14:24,760 --> 00:14:27,120 Speaker 1: you really never know what could happen. But you go 293 00:14:27,160 --> 00:14:29,280 Speaker 1: with Lillam Hicks, a guy who is an on base machine. 294 00:14:29,320 --> 00:14:31,680 Speaker 1: Definitely a different type of catcher than what the Marins 295 00:14:31,680 --> 00:14:35,000 Speaker 1: have had in years pass So Hicks is a offensive 296 00:14:35,040 --> 00:14:37,760 Speaker 1: first guy, a little struggles on the defense, plays a 297 00:14:37,760 --> 00:14:40,280 Speaker 1: little bit of first but Isaac, this is a guy 298 00:14:40,360 --> 00:14:43,320 Speaker 1: that could potentially see himself even playing some first base, 299 00:14:43,360 --> 00:14:46,240 Speaker 1: depending on how the opening day roster ends up looking. 300 00:14:46,240 --> 00:14:48,160 Speaker 1: Because I mean, right now, your only first base is 301 00:14:48,240 --> 00:14:50,400 Speaker 1: Jon to Bride and they don't have anyone else from 302 00:14:50,480 --> 00:14:53,520 Speaker 1: what I can were calling us again, dyl Santo's you know, 303 00:14:53,640 --> 00:14:57,000 Speaker 1: or Ramirez really stand out. But Hicks a guy who 304 00:14:57,640 --> 00:15:00,000 Speaker 1: will probably be the backup catcher, play a little bit 305 00:15:00,160 --> 00:15:03,040 Speaker 1: first base DH from time to time, certainly a guy 306 00:15:03,080 --> 00:15:05,560 Speaker 1: who stands out, and we thought he was gonna go 307 00:15:05,560 --> 00:15:07,680 Speaker 1: to the Rays ended up staying with the Marlins, so 308 00:15:08,040 --> 00:15:09,840 Speaker 1: he now has to try to make the opening day roster. 309 00:15:09,920 --> 00:15:12,480 Speaker 1: And for those who aren't aware of Rule five, if 310 00:15:12,480 --> 00:15:15,080 Speaker 1: you make a selection in the major league portion, this 311 00:15:15,120 --> 00:15:17,360 Speaker 1: player needs to be on your twenty sixth man roster 312 00:15:17,400 --> 00:15:20,160 Speaker 1: from start to finish. You cannot send him down until 313 00:15:20,200 --> 00:15:23,440 Speaker 1: after the season is over, unless obviously he's injured, and 314 00:15:23,480 --> 00:15:24,600 Speaker 1: then you can put him on the aisle. 315 00:15:25,400 --> 00:15:25,600 Speaker 3: Right. 316 00:15:26,400 --> 00:15:28,320 Speaker 2: Yeah, Like you mentioned, a lot of teams do tend 317 00:15:28,320 --> 00:15:30,480 Speaker 2: to go pitchers because it's sort of easier to hide 318 00:15:30,480 --> 00:15:31,880 Speaker 2: those players, you know, in the back end of the 319 00:15:31,880 --> 00:15:34,680 Speaker 2: bullpen and use them in MAPU roles. But with a hitter, 320 00:15:35,000 --> 00:15:37,640 Speaker 2: we sort of This isn't exactly like a Nassy Nunia 321 00:15:37,680 --> 00:15:40,760 Speaker 2: selection that the Nationals made, because he just wasn't major 322 00:15:40,800 --> 00:15:43,320 Speaker 2: league ready offensively at all. He did not play whatsoever. 323 00:15:43,720 --> 00:15:45,920 Speaker 2: Liam Picks is a little bit closer to major league ready. 324 00:15:45,920 --> 00:15:49,080 Speaker 2: He's gonna have to skip the entire Triple A level when, if, 325 00:15:49,120 --> 00:15:51,320 Speaker 2: and when he does make the Marlins major league team. 326 00:15:51,600 --> 00:15:53,240 Speaker 2: And I don't know about first base, but I do 327 00:15:53,320 --> 00:15:55,560 Speaker 2: see him getting a substantial amount of time at DH 328 00:15:55,640 --> 00:15:58,640 Speaker 2: if they don't go out and sign a veteran like that, 329 00:15:58,680 --> 00:16:00,760 Speaker 2: which you know, it's probably fifty fifth shot. So I 330 00:16:00,760 --> 00:16:03,360 Speaker 2: do see him getting a good amount of time at 331 00:16:03,440 --> 00:16:06,720 Speaker 2: designated hitter because in twenty twenty four, more than half 332 00:16:06,800 --> 00:16:08,920 Speaker 2: his games were played at DH. He did not catch 333 00:16:09,360 --> 00:16:12,080 Speaker 2: a large amount, So I would think that there might 334 00:16:12,120 --> 00:16:15,280 Speaker 2: still be looking for a backup catcher to compliment forour tes, 335 00:16:15,800 --> 00:16:18,440 Speaker 2: because I'm not sure if that if he's the prototypical 336 00:16:18,960 --> 00:16:22,560 Speaker 2: backup catcher type. Usually you want someone that's really good defensively, 337 00:16:22,960 --> 00:16:24,960 Speaker 2: and he's sort of the opposite of that, maybe like 338 00:16:24,960 --> 00:16:26,920 Speaker 2: a Rob Brantley type, a little bit of a hit 339 00:16:26,960 --> 00:16:30,000 Speaker 2: tool first. But it ton be very interesting to see 340 00:16:30,000 --> 00:16:32,240 Speaker 2: how this whole roster shakes out, maybe a three catcher 341 00:16:32,280 --> 00:16:34,280 Speaker 2: situation that I haven't seen in a long time with 342 00:16:34,360 --> 00:16:37,880 Speaker 2: this team. But yeah, no, just to go over his 343 00:16:37,960 --> 00:16:40,920 Speaker 2: stats really quickly, he had a pretty solid season across 344 00:16:40,960 --> 00:16:43,920 Speaker 2: with Texas and Detroit using the Carson Kelly trade, and 345 00:16:44,120 --> 00:16:46,680 Speaker 2: he slashed two sixty four three seventy nine three seven 346 00:16:46,720 --> 00:16:48,800 Speaker 2: one hundred and thirteen games, like I mentioned, fifty nine 347 00:16:48,840 --> 00:16:51,680 Speaker 2: of which only fifty nine of which came at catcher. 348 00:16:52,080 --> 00:16:54,000 Speaker 2: He did perform very well in the AFL last year, 349 00:16:54,040 --> 00:16:57,000 Speaker 2: as our good friend Fish on the Farm wrote about 350 00:16:57,440 --> 00:17:00,160 Speaker 2: on our website, I think it was this morning. You 351 00:17:00,200 --> 00:17:03,720 Speaker 2: went four fifty three five two in eighteen AFL games. 352 00:17:03,720 --> 00:17:05,960 Speaker 2: Obviously a very hit or friendly environment in the Arizona 353 00:17:06,000 --> 00:17:09,679 Speaker 2: Fall League, but still pretty impressive bat The slugging went 354 00:17:09,720 --> 00:17:12,240 Speaker 2: down a little bit in twenty twenty four, but still 355 00:17:12,280 --> 00:17:14,679 Speaker 2: I think this is a no brainer to pick him 356 00:17:14,720 --> 00:17:16,960 Speaker 2: in a rule five, you don't lose anything, and if 357 00:17:16,960 --> 00:17:19,359 Speaker 2: you don't, if he shows up the spring training and 358 00:17:19,400 --> 00:17:22,000 Speaker 2: he doesn't look the part, you just returned it back 359 00:17:22,000 --> 00:17:24,000 Speaker 2: and it's and it's that simple. So I was very 360 00:17:24,080 --> 00:17:26,400 Speaker 2: much in favor of this one project. 361 00:17:26,400 --> 00:17:30,760 Speaker 1: Talk a little bit about what Frank Pilary said. Pilary 362 00:17:31,560 --> 00:17:33,560 Speaker 1: and I think you guys also spoke to Hector Crespo 363 00:17:34,080 --> 00:17:36,639 Speaker 1: said about this guy Liam Hicks and what he could provide, 364 00:17:36,680 --> 00:17:39,159 Speaker 1: because right, and also it's worth noting there's three catchers 365 00:17:39,160 --> 00:17:42,600 Speaker 1: now on the forty man, so it's Johnny Pareda, Nick 366 00:17:42,640 --> 00:17:45,199 Speaker 1: fort Has and Liam Hicks, So there there would be 367 00:17:45,280 --> 00:17:49,080 Speaker 1: some sort of quote unquote competition going on there. Unfortunately 368 00:17:49,280 --> 00:17:52,840 Speaker 1: with Pareda and Hicks and Ramirez, there's four catches on 369 00:17:52,880 --> 00:17:53,480 Speaker 1: the forty man. 370 00:17:55,160 --> 00:17:57,320 Speaker 3: There's four catches on the forty man. You could also 371 00:17:57,359 --> 00:18:01,080 Speaker 3: make the argument that there's two, one catcher, and three 372 00:18:01,119 --> 00:18:07,040 Speaker 3: first basement. But yes, Joseph's side, Yeah, I do get 373 00:18:07,160 --> 00:18:10,159 Speaker 3: the idea that as it stands right now. Just to 374 00:18:10,200 --> 00:18:12,160 Speaker 3: be clear, no one that I spoke to would give 375 00:18:12,160 --> 00:18:14,760 Speaker 3: me confirmation on like what the depth chart is going 376 00:18:14,800 --> 00:18:17,520 Speaker 3: to be going into spring, so I don't want anyone 377 00:18:17,520 --> 00:18:20,359 Speaker 3: to speculate, but just based on certain things that I heard, 378 00:18:20,400 --> 00:18:26,720 Speaker 3: it definitely sounds like Hicks would be the tentative second 379 00:18:26,720 --> 00:18:31,959 Speaker 3: guy in Parida, would be the odd man out. Yeah, 380 00:18:32,000 --> 00:18:34,359 Speaker 3: and yeah, like you guys said, he's a he's a 381 00:18:34,400 --> 00:18:37,200 Speaker 3: bat first kind of guy. I would have to assume. 382 00:18:37,200 --> 00:18:39,840 Speaker 3: And this part is just just common sense. I do 383 00:18:39,920 --> 00:18:42,000 Speaker 3: think that they're gonna try him a catcher. I think 384 00:18:42,000 --> 00:18:45,040 Speaker 3: that that will be the original idea, that he will 385 00:18:45,080 --> 00:18:47,879 Speaker 3: be a traditional backup catcher, because I don't think you 386 00:18:47,960 --> 00:18:50,080 Speaker 3: waste a pick on the rule five on a catcher 387 00:18:50,160 --> 00:18:52,280 Speaker 3: unless you want him to play that position. There were 388 00:18:52,320 --> 00:18:56,400 Speaker 3: other offensive guys that they could have taken. Instead, they 389 00:18:56,400 --> 00:18:59,760 Speaker 3: brought him here to play catcher, and Hector Crespo, director 390 00:18:59,760 --> 00:19:02,960 Speaker 3: of my operations for the Marlins, acknowledge that there's things 391 00:19:02,960 --> 00:19:04,640 Speaker 3: that need to be addressed behind the plate, but he's 392 00:19:04,640 --> 00:19:08,400 Speaker 3: still confident that they can get there. He's gonna work 393 00:19:08,480 --> 00:19:12,520 Speaker 3: with h he's gonna work under the director of Catching, 394 00:19:13,280 --> 00:19:16,560 Speaker 3: Max Garrett. He's gonna be working with the major league 395 00:19:17,680 --> 00:19:22,840 Speaker 3: catching coach as well. It's it's gonna be a work 396 00:19:22,840 --> 00:19:25,160 Speaker 3: in progress. I think the beat is ready, at least 397 00:19:25,240 --> 00:19:27,560 Speaker 3: ready enough compared to what we've seen from the catching 398 00:19:27,600 --> 00:19:31,440 Speaker 3: position offensively over the last couple of years in Miami. Defensively, 399 00:19:31,480 --> 00:19:33,840 Speaker 3: I'll be excited to see what he can do in spridtrating. 400 00:19:35,720 --> 00:19:38,720 Speaker 1: Yeah, definitely. So I think we're right. Before we wrap up, 401 00:19:38,760 --> 00:19:42,560 Speaker 1: I think we could just touch on the draft lottery 402 00:19:42,560 --> 00:19:45,119 Speaker 1: that occurred the other day. We kind of kind of 403 00:19:45,160 --> 00:19:47,639 Speaker 1: already went into depth on fish on First Live, but 404 00:19:48,440 --> 00:19:52,400 Speaker 1: just really quickly. Marlins land the seventh overall pick. They 405 00:19:52,440 --> 00:19:55,120 Speaker 1: had the best odds. They were tied with the Rockies 406 00:19:55,119 --> 00:19:57,720 Speaker 1: for the best odds. I'm sorry to clinch the number 407 00:19:57,760 --> 00:20:01,080 Speaker 1: one overall pick in the draft, and they felt all 408 00:20:01,119 --> 00:20:03,159 Speaker 1: the way to seventh in the worst case would have 409 00:20:03,160 --> 00:20:07,760 Speaker 1: been falling to eighth. So eth Holiday, anyone else that 410 00:20:07,800 --> 00:20:10,320 Speaker 1: you were thinking at the top no longer will be 411 00:20:10,320 --> 00:20:14,080 Speaker 1: a Marlin. Isaac talk a little bit about how bad 412 00:20:14,359 --> 00:20:15,680 Speaker 1: you know, not even bad because at the end of 413 00:20:15,680 --> 00:20:17,520 Speaker 1: the day, it's still top ten pick. It's not the 414 00:20:17,520 --> 00:20:19,800 Speaker 1: worst thing. But this is even lower than the Jacob 415 00:20:19,840 --> 00:20:24,000 Speaker 1: Barry selection, which is pretty bad. So you know, the 416 00:20:24,080 --> 00:20:26,600 Speaker 1: Marl's still a lot of great number seven overall picks. 417 00:20:26,600 --> 00:20:30,440 Speaker 1: They were talking about it. I think Frank Thomas was mentioned, Clayton, Kershaw, 418 00:20:31,040 --> 00:20:34,680 Speaker 1: Prince Fielder, So there's a lot of guys. So yeah, yeah, 419 00:20:34,840 --> 00:20:37,160 Speaker 1: not great still, but you're still in the top ten. 420 00:20:37,840 --> 00:20:41,520 Speaker 2: It's a very talented draft class. Like Frank Fleier said, 421 00:20:42,760 --> 00:20:45,119 Speaker 2: he's not sweating. There's a lot of talent there that 422 00:20:45,200 --> 00:20:47,760 Speaker 2: will be there at number seven. The Marls have chosen 423 00:20:47,800 --> 00:20:51,920 Speaker 2: seventh before. It was Braxing Garrett in twenty sixteen. But man, 424 00:20:52,000 --> 00:20:54,280 Speaker 2: when you're tied for the best odds to secure the 425 00:20:54,359 --> 00:20:57,160 Speaker 2: number one spot, you lose one hundred games in twenty 426 00:20:57,200 --> 00:20:59,720 Speaker 2: twenty four and you come away with a measily seventh 427 00:20:59,760 --> 00:21:02,760 Speaker 2: over pick, it's got to just feel like a source 428 00:21:02,800 --> 00:21:04,960 Speaker 2: to the heart for this front office because hey, this 429 00:21:05,040 --> 00:21:06,720 Speaker 2: is the way they're gonna have to do it. And 430 00:21:06,840 --> 00:21:09,960 Speaker 2: here gone not only that, your division rivals, who have 431 00:21:10,000 --> 00:21:13,200 Speaker 2: had two number one picks already get a third one 432 00:21:13,200 --> 00:21:16,159 Speaker 2: in the Washington Nationals who have used them impeccably with 433 00:21:16,200 --> 00:21:19,280 Speaker 2: Steven Strasburg and Bryce Harper, and like you mentioned, Kevin 434 00:21:19,280 --> 00:21:23,720 Speaker 2: Ethan Holiday is right there waiting on decks. So it 435 00:21:23,760 --> 00:21:26,360 Speaker 2: was just a really tough night when we were all 436 00:21:26,440 --> 00:21:30,119 Speaker 2: watching it together pairing for Fishal First Live. And the 437 00:21:30,160 --> 00:21:33,240 Speaker 2: lottery system was implemented for reasons like this. The not 438 00:21:33,359 --> 00:21:37,240 Speaker 2: incentivized teams to tank for the number one pick, and unfortunately, 439 00:21:37,520 --> 00:21:39,119 Speaker 2: I do think there's some tinkering that needs to be 440 00:21:39,160 --> 00:21:42,320 Speaker 2: made because the Seattle Mariners won eighty one is eighty 441 00:21:42,400 --> 00:21:45,000 Speaker 2: five games and they're gonna have a higher draft pick 442 00:21:45,080 --> 00:21:48,080 Speaker 2: than the Marlins. So is that is that the whole 443 00:21:48,080 --> 00:21:50,639 Speaker 2: point of this new rule change. I don't know, but 444 00:21:50,800 --> 00:21:55,879 Speaker 2: it's it's definitely tough for for Bendix and the Marlins 445 00:21:56,320 --> 00:21:58,920 Speaker 2: front office, because boy, I think they were least they 446 00:21:58,920 --> 00:22:01,960 Speaker 2: had probably a sixty percent of getting a top five 447 00:22:02,000 --> 00:22:06,320 Speaker 2: pain and they finished top seven. It's it's it was surreal. Honestly. 448 00:22:06,640 --> 00:22:09,360 Speaker 2: I'll always remember the text that Krutchik was obviously there 449 00:22:09,359 --> 00:22:11,240 Speaker 2: in person and we get the text he was like, 450 00:22:11,280 --> 00:22:13,960 Speaker 2: oh no, I was like, oh boy, I didn't want 451 00:22:13,960 --> 00:22:15,960 Speaker 2: to see the Marlins cardboard that early it was a 452 00:22:16,000 --> 00:22:17,159 Speaker 2: tough one, you know. 453 00:22:17,240 --> 00:22:19,960 Speaker 1: And beforehand we were joking, We're saying, oh, you know, 454 00:22:20,080 --> 00:22:22,359 Speaker 1: we imagine if we get the second pick, Imagine if 455 00:22:22,359 --> 00:22:24,720 Speaker 1: we get the eighth pick, like we were making fun 456 00:22:24,760 --> 00:22:27,320 Speaker 1: of it. Just no, you know, because we're so confident 457 00:22:27,320 --> 00:22:28,880 Speaker 1: that they were going to get a top five, top 458 00:22:28,880 --> 00:22:31,280 Speaker 1: three pick, and here we are. But I mean, at 459 00:22:31,280 --> 00:22:33,359 Speaker 1: the end of the day, I think the point of 460 00:22:33,359 --> 00:22:36,679 Speaker 1: this lottery is to incentivize, you know, the you know, 461 00:22:36,760 --> 00:22:38,760 Speaker 1: not tanking, not trying to lose games. You want a 462 00:22:38,800 --> 00:22:42,000 Speaker 1: competitive product, and the Marlins, you know, are kind of 463 00:22:42,000 --> 00:22:45,840 Speaker 1: paying for trying to tank, and you know, there's no 464 00:22:46,200 --> 00:22:48,440 Speaker 1: true reward for tanking in baseball. And I think that's 465 00:22:48,440 --> 00:22:51,080 Speaker 1: the best way to say. Even now with the draft lottery, 466 00:22:51,119 --> 00:22:53,960 Speaker 1: which you know, Marlins will have one more chance at 467 00:22:53,960 --> 00:22:57,359 Speaker 1: it next year, and then after that they really can't suck, 468 00:22:57,600 --> 00:23:00,159 Speaker 1: you know, And I think that's the best way to 469 00:23:00,160 --> 00:23:04,120 Speaker 1: put it. But did you guys talk to Pillary right 470 00:23:04,160 --> 00:23:06,760 Speaker 1: after and Bendix, and if so, just what what were 471 00:23:06,800 --> 00:23:10,560 Speaker 1: their messages and obviously your thoughts on this this pretty 472 00:23:10,560 --> 00:23:13,040 Speaker 1: bad night for the Marlins, and after that they and this, 473 00:23:13,200 --> 00:23:15,560 Speaker 1: after this they created Burger too bad way which made 474 00:23:15,600 --> 00:23:16,320 Speaker 1: it even worse. 475 00:23:16,680 --> 00:23:19,320 Speaker 3: Yeah, it was a real rough day, real rough day. 476 00:23:21,600 --> 00:23:26,000 Speaker 3: But yeah, we spoke to Pilliary and he pretty much 477 00:23:26,040 --> 00:23:29,520 Speaker 3: echoed what you guys just said, is that there's talent there. 478 00:23:29,640 --> 00:23:31,919 Speaker 3: He said, there's not a whole lot of separation at 479 00:23:31,960 --> 00:23:34,600 Speaker 3: the top. There's a lot of good players there, and 480 00:23:34,720 --> 00:23:38,880 Speaker 3: I know Ethan Holliday is really good, but with respect 481 00:23:38,880 --> 00:23:43,520 Speaker 3: to him, there's no he's not a Strasburger trout kind 482 00:23:43,520 --> 00:23:48,000 Speaker 3: of guy where he can't miss. And then after him 483 00:23:48,280 --> 00:23:50,480 Speaker 3: there's there's really not a whole lot of separation. I 484 00:23:50,520 --> 00:23:52,800 Speaker 3: think there's a bunch of good players in the top seven, 485 00:23:53,119 --> 00:23:56,320 Speaker 3: even in the top ten. My thought on it is 486 00:23:56,400 --> 00:24:00,680 Speaker 3: if you are if you've truly improved as a development team, 487 00:24:00,920 --> 00:24:04,520 Speaker 3: you should have no problem, uh turning the seventh best 488 00:24:04,600 --> 00:24:08,760 Speaker 3: player in the country into a solid big leader. So 489 00:24:09,640 --> 00:24:12,119 Speaker 3: I know it's not as sexy as having the first 490 00:24:12,119 --> 00:24:16,040 Speaker 3: overall pick, but if they've really changed, it shouldn't be 491 00:24:16,080 --> 00:24:16,680 Speaker 3: an issue. 492 00:24:17,760 --> 00:24:20,439 Speaker 2: I think what also made it tougher to swallow was 493 00:24:20,480 --> 00:24:22,240 Speaker 2: the fact that Miami had the third worst record in 494 00:24:22,280 --> 00:24:24,440 Speaker 2: Major League Baseball and one of the teams that had 495 00:24:24,480 --> 00:24:26,679 Speaker 2: a worse record than them wasn't even eligible for the 496 00:24:26,720 --> 00:24:29,560 Speaker 2: freaking draft lottery and they still like that's what makes 497 00:24:29,600 --> 00:24:32,520 Speaker 2: it even worse. It's just if there was an ever 498 00:24:32,760 --> 00:24:35,359 Speaker 2: lol Marlins moment. I think it had to have been that, 499 00:24:35,480 --> 00:24:38,000 Speaker 2: because my goodness, that's stunk. 500 00:24:38,320 --> 00:24:41,560 Speaker 1: That's stuff think about like a Marlins day, you know, 501 00:24:41,760 --> 00:24:44,359 Speaker 1: like think about it. You know, first you get the 502 00:24:44,400 --> 00:24:47,280 Speaker 1: seventh pick and then you trade Jake Berger for three 503 00:24:47,359 --> 00:24:49,880 Speaker 1: guys who who knows that they're going to turn out 504 00:24:49,880 --> 00:24:52,120 Speaker 1: to be, you know, two of them nineteen year olds. Basically, 505 00:24:52,800 --> 00:24:55,280 Speaker 1: you know with Gano's you know, you don't even have 506 00:24:55,320 --> 00:24:56,720 Speaker 1: a ceiling yet, you don't you don't know what the 507 00:24:56,760 --> 00:25:00,720 Speaker 1: floor is going to be. So anything else you have 508 00:25:00,880 --> 00:25:02,840 Speaker 1: from you know, the presser and I know you guys 509 00:25:02,880 --> 00:25:05,600 Speaker 1: had a breakfast with McCullough from what you can tell us, 510 00:25:05,640 --> 00:25:06,919 Speaker 1: I know a lot of that stuff could be off 511 00:25:06,960 --> 00:25:10,000 Speaker 1: the record. Talk about that experience as well, and anything 512 00:25:10,000 --> 00:25:12,359 Speaker 1: that that set out. He mentioned Edward Cabrera someone he 513 00:25:12,440 --> 00:25:13,600 Speaker 1: was pretty excited to watch. 514 00:25:14,600 --> 00:25:19,400 Speaker 3: Yeah, he's excited about Edward Cabrera. He he already knows 515 00:25:19,440 --> 00:25:22,320 Speaker 3: the book on him. He knows that he's got tremendous stuff. 516 00:25:22,760 --> 00:25:25,760 Speaker 3: He knows also that he's got control issues to work on. 517 00:25:26,440 --> 00:25:30,159 Speaker 3: So he's on the same page as everyone already, you know, 518 00:25:30,200 --> 00:25:32,120 Speaker 3: and as good as Skip was and as good as 519 00:25:32,160 --> 00:25:35,639 Speaker 3: Mel was, it it might be good to have a 520 00:25:35,680 --> 00:25:39,199 Speaker 3: new set of eyes on the guy. Like not to 521 00:25:39,240 --> 00:25:41,359 Speaker 3: say that the new guys will be better or worse, 522 00:25:41,480 --> 00:25:44,320 Speaker 3: but just different. Like sometimes you just need a fresh 523 00:25:44,359 --> 00:25:48,959 Speaker 3: set of eyes to see something that needs to be changed. Uh, 524 00:25:49,040 --> 00:25:51,280 Speaker 3: so maybe this will be the time that it happens. 525 00:25:53,600 --> 00:25:56,160 Speaker 3: I'm trying to think. What else. When we spoke to Bendix, 526 00:25:56,240 --> 00:26:01,880 Speaker 3: he confirmed that Hacius Lozardo is healthy, perfectly healthy. He's 527 00:26:01,880 --> 00:26:05,679 Speaker 3: going through a normal offseason right now. He thinks that 528 00:26:05,720 --> 00:26:08,400 Speaker 3: Max Meyer is still a long term starter. He used 529 00:26:08,400 --> 00:26:14,280 Speaker 3: the term long term and yeah, going back to the 530 00:26:14,280 --> 00:26:18,960 Speaker 3: lottery real quick, the Marlins had what was it a 531 00:26:19,000 --> 00:26:21,480 Speaker 3: twenty three percent chance of getting the first overall. 532 00:26:21,280 --> 00:26:24,520 Speaker 2: Pick, twenty two point three, I think twenty. 533 00:26:24,320 --> 00:26:29,240 Speaker 3: Two twenty two and change. The NBA lottery, which most 534 00:26:29,240 --> 00:26:32,480 Speaker 3: people are fine with, gives you a fourteen percent chance 535 00:26:32,520 --> 00:26:35,560 Speaker 3: of getting the number one overall pick if you're the 536 00:26:35,560 --> 00:26:38,159 Speaker 3: worst team in the league. Now, one thing that is 537 00:26:38,240 --> 00:26:40,680 Speaker 3: cool that the NBA does, and I don't cover the 538 00:26:40,760 --> 00:26:44,240 Speaker 3: NBA obviously, so I might have some of the wrinkles off. 539 00:26:44,760 --> 00:26:49,000 Speaker 3: I think if you have a certain record, like if 540 00:26:49,000 --> 00:26:53,520 Speaker 3: you're bad enough, you are locked into a certain place, 541 00:26:53,560 --> 00:26:55,480 Speaker 3: Like you may not get first, but you're guaranteed to 542 00:26:55,480 --> 00:26:57,080 Speaker 3: get at least in the top three. I would like 543 00:26:57,119 --> 00:26:59,720 Speaker 3: to see major League Baseball do that. They already sort 544 00:26:59,720 --> 00:27:01,720 Speaker 3: of do it because the Marlins couldn't have picked lower 545 00:27:01,720 --> 00:27:04,400 Speaker 3: than eight, but maybe make it closer in like five 546 00:27:04,520 --> 00:27:06,240 Speaker 3: or something. But what I'm trying to say is I 547 00:27:06,320 --> 00:27:08,840 Speaker 3: like the lottery. I know it sucks for Marlins fans 548 00:27:08,880 --> 00:27:11,399 Speaker 3: that this is what you come away with, but like 549 00:27:12,280 --> 00:27:14,720 Speaker 3: the Marlins got their chance. They had a twenty three 550 00:27:14,760 --> 00:27:16,959 Speaker 3: percent chance of getting the first overall pick, the had 551 00:27:17,080 --> 00:27:20,600 Speaker 3: eighty five percent chance of getting in the top six. Like, 552 00:27:21,119 --> 00:27:22,960 Speaker 3: you can't get a whole lot better than that. Just 553 00:27:23,000 --> 00:27:25,440 Speaker 3: sometimes the ping pong, though, don't fall your way. 554 00:27:27,600 --> 00:27:30,560 Speaker 1: Yeah, so I think we could wrap it up. There 555 00:27:32,200 --> 00:27:35,159 Speaker 1: nothing much coming up for the Marlins. Honestly, FanFest I 556 00:27:35,200 --> 00:27:37,600 Speaker 1: think is like in a couple of months that'll be 557 00:27:38,000 --> 00:27:41,040 Speaker 1: a lot of new faces, at least on the staff side, 558 00:27:41,040 --> 00:27:44,200 Speaker 1: and it'll be a lot of same players new prospects. 559 00:27:44,240 --> 00:27:46,920 Speaker 1: I'm assuming forty man guys will be there, so Delo 560 00:27:46,960 --> 00:27:50,600 Speaker 1: Santos Romirez, whoever cares to see those guys. 561 00:27:50,680 --> 00:27:53,200 Speaker 2: But yeah, and really quick, because I know Crouch you 562 00:27:53,280 --> 00:27:55,600 Speaker 2: mentioned Luzaro being fully healthy. That is great to hear. Obviously, 563 00:27:55,600 --> 00:27:58,879 Speaker 2: we heard Romling's about teams inquiring on the left hander 564 00:27:58,880 --> 00:28:00,720 Speaker 2: who has just been the subject of trade talks for 565 00:28:00,760 --> 00:28:03,120 Speaker 2: the last three hundred and sixty five days or so 566 00:28:03,200 --> 00:28:05,040 Speaker 2: since the last off season. It was a whole speculation 567 00:28:05,080 --> 00:28:06,600 Speaker 2: of whether or not they should do it. They probably 568 00:28:06,600 --> 00:28:10,720 Speaker 2: should have, but you know, it's easy. Hindsight is always 569 00:28:10,760 --> 00:28:13,040 Speaker 2: twenty twenty. But it's gonna be very interesting to see 570 00:28:13,080 --> 00:28:15,240 Speaker 2: because obviously Luzardo's health that he's getting dealt at the 571 00:28:15,320 --> 00:28:19,359 Speaker 2: Jily thirty trade deadline without a doubt. Unfortunately, from what 572 00:28:19,400 --> 00:28:21,920 Speaker 2: I'm from what I understand, I don't think Saniel Pontor 573 00:28:22,000 --> 00:28:23,840 Speaker 2: is going to make it past the July thirty the deadline. 574 00:28:23,880 --> 00:28:27,000 Speaker 2: If he looks good and healthy, I think they trade 575 00:28:27,040 --> 00:28:29,720 Speaker 2: him too. So he mentioned maximyer Peter Bennix did about 576 00:28:29,720 --> 00:28:32,120 Speaker 2: being a long term starter. He trade those two guys, 577 00:28:32,160 --> 00:28:35,320 Speaker 2: Brackton Garrett. I have not heard solid things about him 578 00:28:35,359 --> 00:28:37,600 Speaker 2: being fully healthy right now. I have not heard good 579 00:28:37,640 --> 00:28:39,719 Speaker 2: things and I haven't heard bad things either, which might 580 00:28:39,760 --> 00:28:41,920 Speaker 2: be a good thing, but I the last thing I 581 00:28:42,000 --> 00:28:44,160 Speaker 2: heard was that he was completely shut down as of 582 00:28:44,240 --> 00:28:45,600 Speaker 2: right now. So I don't know if you can count 583 00:28:45,640 --> 00:28:48,959 Speaker 2: on him to be fully ready for spring training. But 584 00:28:49,240 --> 00:28:51,120 Speaker 2: if that's the case, and you know Sandy is coming 585 00:28:51,120 --> 00:28:52,920 Speaker 2: back from Tommy John he is, he should be more 586 00:28:52,920 --> 00:28:54,640 Speaker 2: than ready by the time spring training star as he 587 00:28:54,720 --> 00:28:57,440 Speaker 2: could have maybe pitched in October. Should should the Marlins 588 00:28:57,480 --> 00:29:00,000 Speaker 2: have been in the in the playoffs. But you're gonna 589 00:29:00,080 --> 00:29:03,920 Speaker 2: really count on you know, Lozardo Carrera and Weathers and 590 00:29:03,960 --> 00:29:06,800 Speaker 2: Max Meyer and in the second half of next season. 591 00:29:07,080 --> 00:29:09,360 Speaker 2: I'm not sure what the plan could be. Obviously you 592 00:29:09,400 --> 00:29:12,400 Speaker 2: have Snelling and Maser and some guys that are knocking. 593 00:29:12,120 --> 00:29:13,520 Speaker 1: On the door at some point. 594 00:29:14,160 --> 00:29:17,680 Speaker 2: Yeah, you know. But I would like to think that 595 00:29:17,680 --> 00:29:21,200 Speaker 2: the Marlins learned their lesson from last offseason and not 596 00:29:21,720 --> 00:29:25,240 Speaker 2: acquiring any veteran starting pitching, I would think they learn 597 00:29:25,280 --> 00:29:27,000 Speaker 2: and maybe that's where they get a veteran. I'm not 598 00:29:27,000 --> 00:29:28,800 Speaker 2: sure that you're gonna get a veteran position player. I 599 00:29:28,880 --> 00:29:30,800 Speaker 2: just don't see it, but maybe they get at least 600 00:29:31,400 --> 00:29:34,760 Speaker 2: a long man or a starting pitcher, because to count 601 00:29:34,800 --> 00:29:38,160 Speaker 2: on a guy coming back from Tommy, or three guys, 602 00:29:38,160 --> 00:29:40,040 Speaker 2: if three vis your rotation coming af fro Tommy Johnsorg. 603 00:29:40,080 --> 00:29:41,520 Speaker 2: At some point in the career, I think you should 604 00:29:41,560 --> 00:29:43,920 Speaker 2: have some sort of depth, And right now the depth 605 00:29:44,000 --> 00:29:46,400 Speaker 2: isn't isn't where I'd like, especially when URI's not coming 606 00:29:46,440 --> 00:29:50,960 Speaker 2: back to the least. So I think June for Ury Press, 607 00:29:51,080 --> 00:29:54,520 Speaker 2: So it's right probably, I yeah, I think it would 608 00:29:54,560 --> 00:29:56,960 Speaker 2: be who the Marlins to sort of take some flyers 609 00:29:56,960 --> 00:29:59,400 Speaker 2: on some Johnny Quato type deals, maybe not as expensive 610 00:29:59,400 --> 00:30:02,200 Speaker 2: a Johnny Qui it was, but I think they need 611 00:30:02,240 --> 00:30:05,600 Speaker 2: to because it's it's gonna be it's gonna be a 612 00:30:05,640 --> 00:30:07,880 Speaker 2: rough go of things. If things if she hits the 613 00:30:07,960 --> 00:30:09,640 Speaker 2: fan early in spring training at least. 614 00:30:10,240 --> 00:30:13,160 Speaker 1: And even then, you thought last year they had to 615 00:30:13,280 --> 00:30:16,000 Speaker 1: debt because you know, you bring in all these guys, 616 00:30:16,040 --> 00:30:18,600 Speaker 1: all this pitching, and that's not even enough. You ended 617 00:30:18,680 --> 00:30:21,800 Speaker 1: up having to have a guy like Valente Baozo come 618 00:30:21,880 --> 00:30:24,600 Speaker 1: up from Skip Triple A by the way to make 619 00:30:24,640 --> 00:30:25,040 Speaker 1: a start. 620 00:30:25,240 --> 00:30:25,840 Speaker 2: So it was. 621 00:30:27,440 --> 00:30:29,240 Speaker 1: And you look, you lost some guys too to the 622 00:30:29,280 --> 00:30:32,120 Speaker 1: waiver wire. You lost Roddery Munos, who despite giving up 623 00:30:32,520 --> 00:30:35,320 Speaker 1: home runs, he is someone who was making a lot 624 00:30:35,360 --> 00:30:37,800 Speaker 1: of starts, and they lost a couple other guys to 625 00:30:37,840 --> 00:30:40,640 Speaker 1: the waiver wires, so I mean, I don't know. I 626 00:30:40,720 --> 00:30:43,920 Speaker 1: definitely will be interesting to see you and as you mentioned, 627 00:30:43,920 --> 00:30:48,640 Speaker 1: Magic Maser probably ready to go, yeah, because that's a 628 00:30:48,680 --> 00:30:50,400 Speaker 1: guy who was already at the major league level just 629 00:30:50,480 --> 00:30:55,440 Speaker 1: needed some tune ups. Robbie Smelling, monte Verde, some other 630 00:30:55,480 --> 00:30:59,480 Speaker 1: guys to note there. So yeah, it'll definitely be interesting 631 00:30:59,480 --> 00:31:02,200 Speaker 1: to see who they sign. I think it'll be minor 632 00:31:02,280 --> 00:31:04,240 Speaker 1: league deals, though I don't see a world where Peter 633 00:31:04,320 --> 00:31:07,560 Speaker 1: Bendix makes too much of a commitment to a one 634 00:31:07,640 --> 00:31:10,120 Speaker 1: year major league deal unless you're pretty confident you can 635 00:31:10,160 --> 00:31:12,480 Speaker 1: flip a name out there or something like that. 636 00:31:13,040 --> 00:31:15,680 Speaker 2: Yeah, that's why you get them for depth in the 637 00:31:15,720 --> 00:31:18,080 Speaker 2: first half of the season, and if it goes well, 638 00:31:18,160 --> 00:31:22,800 Speaker 2: guess what, you have a good trade asset to flip 639 00:31:22,840 --> 00:31:25,240 Speaker 2: at the deadline. And I'm gonna make a prediction right now. 640 00:31:25,320 --> 00:31:28,800 Speaker 2: I think Adam Maser makes the open day roster. I 641 00:31:29,160 --> 00:31:33,000 Speaker 2: see him in the roster on open Day when Pittsford 642 00:31:33,040 --> 00:31:36,320 Speaker 2: comes to Miami. I think with a great spring training, 643 00:31:36,520 --> 00:31:39,080 Speaker 2: he has to make the team. Because there's injuries are 644 00:31:39,080 --> 00:31:42,400 Speaker 2: inevitable and something's gonna happen. With all these guys coming 645 00:31:42,400 --> 00:31:46,720 Speaker 2: back from significant injuries, all of them, whether it's Braxton, Lozardo, 646 00:31:46,840 --> 00:31:51,040 Speaker 2: Sandy even Meyer, they're all coming back from injury. Someone's 647 00:31:51,040 --> 00:31:53,760 Speaker 2: gonna get hurt again, and I think Maser steps in 648 00:31:54,000 --> 00:31:55,800 Speaker 2: and maybe it's even in the opening day. 649 00:31:55,720 --> 00:31:59,880 Speaker 1: Rotation, all right, and we'll land off on that crotch 650 00:32:00,080 --> 00:32:02,880 Speaker 1: is always gonna be a four for joining us, always 651 00:32:02,880 --> 00:32:06,440 Speaker 1: a good time. So from Isaac Kroutchick, myself Eli from 652 00:32:06,440 --> 00:32:08,800 Speaker 1: behind the scenes, we'll see you guys probably in two weeks. 653 00:32:08,800 --> 00:32:10,920 Speaker 1: I'm sure there will be something to talk about. And 654 00:32:11,000 --> 00:32:30,760 Speaker 1: there's always peace out and go fish.