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Speaker 1: Hey there, folks. It is Wednesday, July second, and Sean

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Speaker 1: Diddy Combs is not going home after all, at least

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Speaker 1: not yet, after what was a wild, at times bizarre,

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Speaker 1: at times emotional, at times surprising, at times explosive final

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Speaker 1: day of the Diddy trial. Bottom line, did he one?

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Speaker 1: Welcome everybody to this Diddy update episode of Amy and

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Speaker 1: TJ Ropes. I cannot believe we are here. The trial

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Speaker 1: is over mixed verdict, but it's clear who won this thing.

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Speaker 2: Well, you said did he one? But I would say

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Speaker 2: he partially WONO.

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Speaker 3: I gotta hear this because yes, yes, he obviously evaded

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Speaker 3: the most punitive and the harshest counts against him, and

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Speaker 3: so he avoided life in prison. So yes, for that alone.

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Speaker 3: Of course, his freedom is coming. But a lot of

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Speaker 3: folks thought, and including you, thought that he might actually

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Speaker 3: be on his private plane tonight, flying back to Miami

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Speaker 3: or wherever he wanted to go, with.

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Speaker 2: A few conditions attached to that bail.

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Speaker 3: But he was denied bail, and right now his sentencing

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Speaker 3: hearing this could be moved up a little bit, but

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Speaker 3: right now it is scheduled for the fall October third,

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Speaker 3: so he's still behind bars.

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Speaker 1: He lost his bail hearing. He won his trial today,

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Speaker 1: he won flat out. I would love to see any lawyer,

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Speaker 1: any analyst get on TV and try to spin this

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Speaker 1: any other way than total humiliation for the government, a

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Speaker 1: total loss by the government, and some will tell you

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Speaker 1: a total waste of time by the government in overcharging

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Speaker 1: this man. They can have that argument down the road.

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Speaker 1: But he racketeering, not guilty. That was life in prison,

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Speaker 1: the two counts that came with minimum fifteen years. Not

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Speaker 1: guilty sex trafficking. He has now been found guilty of

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Speaker 1: being a john. He has been found guilty of paying

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Speaker 1: for a prostitute, and he could possibly get two years

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Speaker 2: That is correct. Absolutely, you are correct.

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Speaker 3: However, the reason why he was denied bail because a

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Speaker 3: lot in to your point.

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Speaker 2: He was convicted of being a john.

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Speaker 3: That would not normally be a conviction in which somebody

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Speaker 3: But because of the domestic violence that he clearly admitted

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Speaker 3: to that the defense absolutely capt to, because the judge

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Speaker 3: said that he has a propensity for violence behind closed doors,

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Speaker 3: and there were two victim or at least witness statements

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Speaker 3: to the judge asking to keep him behind bars until

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Speaker 3: his sentencing. That is why he is still behind bars

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Speaker 3: tonight and until his sentencing.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Cassif interrefined as part of the reason he is

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Speaker 1: still behind bars tonight. She is one of the folks

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Speaker 1: who sent a letter to the judge making a case

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Speaker 1: for why he should be denied bail. He should not

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Speaker 1: be released while awaiting awaiting sentencing. So, if we go back,

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Speaker 1: it started this morning. You got the no news. I

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Speaker 1: know everybody got the alerts, but this was around eleven

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Speaker 1: o'clock eleven this morning. The jury sends a note we

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Speaker 1: have a verdict. The jury eventually comes in, the verdicts

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Speaker 1: get read. We knew four were already settled. We knew

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Speaker 1: racketeering was the problem. But lo and behold rope. Sure enough,

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Speaker 1: they must have figured it out. We were told people

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Speaker 3: You know what, isn't that so interesting? Because yes, we

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Speaker 3: were conjecturing last night. We're like, is he guilty on

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Speaker 3: Is he guilty on all of the charges. We figured

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Speaker 3: there had to be some guilty verdicts in there. We

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Speaker 3: just weren't sure which was which. That made the most

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Speaker 3: sense for them to be confused about racketeering. But it

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Speaker 3: is remarkable that they could go from actually just initially

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Speaker 3: deliberating for sixty minute, an hour, seventy minutes saying this

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Speaker 2: The deliberation has stopped. People are unmovable.

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Speaker 3: And yet somehow when you ask a juri to go

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Speaker 2: And wow, I was impressed that that quickly.

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Speaker 3: They all reached unanimous verdicts on all five clouds.

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Speaker 1: So they were movable. Somebody was movable, exactly the word

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Speaker 3: To night's sleep changes a lot of folks minds and

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Speaker 1: We get that word so here it is so the reaction,

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Speaker 2: It was incredible.

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Speaker 3: It showed Ditty on his knees in praying position, and

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Speaker 3: that was pretty remark well. That was the emotion that

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Speaker 3: I mean, I just so many of us tried to

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Speaker 3: imagine what it would have been like for him, for

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Speaker 3: his family members, knowing that verdicts were in, that they

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Speaker 2: That was a very powerful sketch.

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Speaker 1: And applause in the courtroom from his family, and you

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Speaker 1: better believe those cheers erupted. And it makes sense that

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Speaker 1: they would look every judge, and I know you've been

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Speaker 1: out of the water. It's never the case. But yeah,

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Speaker 1: you can imagine the eruption of emotion because they knew

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Speaker 1: knew that did he had won won that trial. Absolutely,

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Speaker 1: he lost his bail hearing. Again, Look, there was a

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Speaker 1: the judge wouldn't let him be out on bail awaiting trial.

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Speaker 1: During the trial, so this judge is essentially saying, you know,

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Speaker 2: Nothing changed.

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Speaker 3: And he also said even when did he knew he

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Speaker 2: While he knew he was being investigated.

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Speaker 3: So that was part of the reason why the judge said, no,

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Speaker 3: your bail is denied. But even his mother, his sister,

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Speaker 2: They signed it.

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Speaker 3: They said he would only travel to four states Florida, California,

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Speaker 2: And the sentencing.

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Speaker 3: Actually came down quite a bit because we heard initially

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Speaker 3: ask for twenty years. That changed pretty quickly, which is

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Speaker 1: Yeah, because you probably went and opened up that legal

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Speaker 1: what the guidelines were. And so I don't have the

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Speaker 1: y'all are so far off yea on what y'all want.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, they wanted twenty years. Then they amended it to this.

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Speaker 3: The prosecution is asking for fifty one to sixty three

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Speaker 2: Four to five years roughly.

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Speaker 3: The defense is asking for twenty one to twenty seven months,

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Speaker 1: So if you take do the twenty one months, say

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Speaker 1: know what that is? One year time served is nine months.

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Speaker 1: It counts against the sentence. He's already served nine months in.

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Speaker 2: Rail, so that's another year behind bars.

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Speaker 1: be back after all this? Possibly not. We don't know

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Speaker 1: what the judge you're gonna do, but it's just it

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Speaker 1: is fascinating to see what the possibilities now are. I

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Speaker 1: guess we should explain to folks what was going on

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Speaker 1: with us today. We actually live very close by to

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Speaker 1: If you listen to any of our podcasts, you know this.

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Speaker 1: So we live, what are we a few blocks away

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Speaker 2: At JFK and.

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Speaker 1: Then thirty thousand feet in the air with no Wi Fi.

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Speaker 3: Yes, and so this we have actually a family vacation

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Speaker 2: We even knew that the Ditty trial was going to

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Speaker 3: That we'd be covering it and the way we were,

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Speaker 1: Probably were We were probably the last certainly the sentencing.

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Speaker 1: I was losing it as we were laying and nobody

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Speaker 1: But it's just how it happens. But I rose, I say,

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Speaker 3: About baby oil being like thrown at different people and squirted,

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Speaker 3: and given all of the testimony that we heard, you

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Speaker 2: Or I don't want to say it was playful, but

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Speaker 3: Was just people expressing themselves and using certain props that

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Speaker 2: They're just describing the thing. We had all just swarmed

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Speaker 1: Goodness, I have no if he got convicted on just

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Speaker 4: I'm Amy robot on behalf of my partner T. J.

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Speaker 4: Have a great Wednesday, everybody,