Speaker 1: Unpacking the Toolbox is a production of Shondaland Audio in
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Speaker 2: Yah and Katie.
Speaker 1: Sell me.
Speaker 3: We have been waiting, We have everyone's been waiting, The
Speaker 3: Gladiator's been waiting, the listeners have been waiting. Garmon and
Speaker 3: I have been waiting. Okay, we are in the midst
Speaker 3: of season three, but I knew that it was going
Speaker 3: to be for this.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, We've been saving it for this, like this
Speaker 1: is saving it for this episode.
Speaker 3: There's no rampump, there's no prep needed because there is
Speaker 3: only one singular artist, actress, human being, animal saving vegan,
Speaker 3: beautiful Yes, booking and best kisses, best person on the
Speaker 3: inside and outside in that entire planet, the one and
Speaker 3: only Bellam you Yes, or our first Lady and President
Speaker 3: of the United States, Melly.
Speaker 1: Graham Yeah or Smelly Melly is I like to call it.
Speaker 2: I still have a tank top that some wonderful gladiator
Speaker 2: made me that has all the iterations of melee on it.
Speaker 1: I love that, I love that, love it.
Speaker 3: Let me just tell all the gladiators listening, We're gonna
Speaker 3: just fill you guys in real quick. We're talking about
Speaker 3: episode three oh seven, which is called Everything's Coming Up,
Speaker 3: Mel Melly. It aired on November fourteenth in twenty thirteen,
Speaker 3: so that is eleven years ago. Written by Peter Noak,
Speaker 3: Oh my.
Speaker 1: God, and it was directed by Michael Cattleman.
Speaker 3: Peter no Walk created.
Speaker 1: How to Get Away with Murder.
Speaker 3: Yes, Storry Barry Bostwick is Jerry Graham, oh lot an asshole.
Speaker 1: And also yeah, and also I wanted to say Laurence
Speaker 1: Stamel Stamile and she plays Carla, who's so amazing in
Speaker 1: this episode. And also Candy Alexander is introduced in this episode.
Speaker 4: That's the laptop situation. She turns around and you're just like, yo, yeah.
Speaker 3: She's unbelievable. And she doesn't even I think she says
Speaker 3: like a word or two and she is unbelievable.
Speaker 1: Yeah, a couple of words. She is the jam.
Speaker 3: The synopsis in Scandalpace is Melly is still trying to
Speaker 3: recover from the public backlash of the last year, so
Speaker 3: she decides to do a hard hitting news interview. Meanwhile,
Speaker 3: as Cyrus continues to plot against Sally Langston, we learned
Speaker 3: how fits Melly and Cyrus became a team.
Speaker 1: Back at Opia. Huck continues to push Quinn way, but
Speaker 1: Quinn's bloodlust could get her into some dangerous situations. Many
Speaker 1: truths are revealed in a fifteen year flashback. The flashbacks
Speaker 1: in this episode are epic. Just the facial hair and
Speaker 1: wigs alone deserve a shout out.
Speaker 2: Let us begin there because saw Jeff Berry as Derek.
Speaker 1: Jack, I thought I was, let me tell you, as
Speaker 1: as a character that had a beard glued on my face.
Speaker 1: Often for homeless huck or hagrid huck is something that
Speaker 1: shit is not fun. At least his was shorter, but
Speaker 1: mine was. I remember thinking, oh, damn, I'm in homeless Hucks.
Speaker 1: So I can't eat because you can't eat because all
Speaker 1: the hair gets in your mouth when you're eating.
Speaker 3: Is this the worst?
Speaker 1: It's terrible, terrible.
Speaker 4: Ton cryer, shout out to cry.
Speaker 2: We have worked on my flashback leg so hard and
Speaker 2: we were both so excited for this flashback, and I
Speaker 2: was like, Mellie's gonna be ten and she's gonna have
Speaker 2: a bub and she lives in California, California, And we
Speaker 2: were overdoing the scene when Cyrus is leaving and he's that, man,
Speaker 2: is your job right?
Speaker 1: I forget it?
Speaker 2: And I'm like, come back, tomorrow he'll be ready to work.
Speaker 2: And but we're shooting that scene and I'm not sure
Speaker 2: Cattleman had directed us before.
Speaker 4: I wouldn't being nervous.
Speaker 2: Because I didn't know him and they were sending he
Speaker 2: turned out great, Michael Cattleman, where were you are? I
Speaker 2: didn't know they were sending footage over so Tom Verica
Speaker 2: could have eyeballs on it as we were going along,
Speaker 2: and they decided to do the flashbacks and like a
Speaker 2: blue filter so it was different from present day. So
Speaker 2: we're outside in that driveway of that house over not
Speaker 2: far from the studio, and it's hot, and so all
Speaker 2: the tape that's holding all of Jeff Perry's not on,
Speaker 2: but also his face back because they've got those frownies
Speaker 2: on him.
Speaker 4: When I ever saw those, are those.
Speaker 3: Of you guys listening? Not only did he like that?
Speaker 3: Don't know? It means they take these like strings with
Speaker 3: tape and they basically give you a face, your excess
Speaker 3: neck skin and your cheek skin so that it like
Speaker 3: makes you go through like a wind tunnel to make
Speaker 3: you look younger.
Speaker 2: I don't have to have surgery, but for the ten
Speaker 2: hours you're going to be filming, you look younger people.
Speaker 4: You should look into them.
Speaker 2: Everybody better or you cut yourself. Just give yourself a
Speaker 2: little try it out.
Speaker 4: Drive it stop there.
Speaker 2: And things keep pop popping. We have to stop, and
Speaker 2: then gluing back down and gluing back down. I see
Speaker 2: Tom Berer, I see a car come up like it's
Speaker 2: a cop show, and he pulls in and like parks
Speaker 2: and falls out of the car and like leaves the
Speaker 2: door open.
Speaker 4: Comes on set and I think it's not that bad.
Speaker 4: Don't make Jeff feel bad and goes inside and we
Speaker 4: all stop and we're like, what should we are we? Honey,
Speaker 4: he's watched the video and I have tanned myself to
Speaker 4: a point under a blue filter at which I look
Speaker 4: like and I have the same skin.
Speaker 3: Oh my god, de remedy.
Speaker 2: The fact that they need to differentiate between me and Carer.
Speaker 1: Shut the hell up. I am wait, And had you
Speaker 1: had already shot a bunch of stuff.
Speaker 4: We had the first third of the day.
Speaker 2: They were like, stop, we need to adjust the lighting.
Speaker 2: Are we going to keep the blue filter?
Speaker 4: What are we gonna do? Can we take her makeup down?
Speaker 2: Ducks?
Speaker 1: See he didn't like it either.
Speaker 3: I love the idea behind it. And it looked whatever
Speaker 3: everybody did, whether they adjusted the lighting or took down
Speaker 3: the tan for the California beach. Babe, you look exquisite,
Speaker 3: not rely that, but so much of your acting. And
Speaker 3: we always have a carry Washington School of Acting moment
Speaker 3: in this show, which definitely goes to Melle. Oh my god,
Speaker 3: like yes, but my I just like between the flashback
Speaker 3: makeup and also like Melle not being the Melly we
Speaker 3: know yet you're doing all these scenes where you're not
Speaker 3: as good at giving a speech or you're not as
Speaker 3: sure of yourself, You're not as.
Speaker 2: Amazing like twelve times my amazing husband, and you're just
Speaker 2: amazing to be here and we're gonna be an amazing team.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that Melo version of Melly was so much closer
Speaker 1: to you, right, obviously.
Speaker 4: That's cool.
Speaker 3: Does everyone listening Gladiators know that Melly was not going
Speaker 3: to be Melly? Like you tell us how you book
Speaker 3: this job and like it wasn't supposed to it was
Speaker 3: because you made such an impression.
Speaker 4: I don't know about that. So here's okay.
Speaker 2: Oh the backstory being wonderful Linda Lowie that now everybody
Speaker 2: can love and appreciate because you guys spent such a.
Speaker 4: Wonderful hour with her. You guys, I love that episode.
Speaker 1: So's she's the best.
Speaker 3: She saved all of our lives, our lives, so many lives.
Speaker 2: I'd just gone into audition for her for five hundred
Speaker 2: different things and not booked four hundred and ninety nine
Speaker 2: of them. I like she said on like when she
Speaker 2: was talking to you know, I don't know why you're
Speaker 2: in the room. Do your best work, leave your heart
Speaker 2: in the room and going about your life. Everything is
Speaker 2: in higher hands. So I've done that a lot, so
Speaker 2: I'll had all that taste of rejection. And I never
Speaker 2: really got to do Grays because I did the private
Speaker 2: practice that was embedded in Grays, the like embryonic private practice.
Speaker 2: So I was in that part and that's the only
Speaker 2: Shondaland job I had. But they, you guys, were filming
Speaker 2: the pilot the next day. They needed someone to stand
Speaker 2: beside Fitzgerald Grant and wave a little and be the
Speaker 2: wife and Linda fucking Lowe, may we all bow down,
Speaker 2: called five of us in same five that have been
Speaker 2: there every other time. When you're like side eyeing each
Speaker 2: other and trying to but like thinking about Wow, she's
Speaker 2: We had two lines and one of them was live
Speaker 2: like it was a whole line, but they were all
Speaker 2: in there.
Speaker 4: I tried to think Tony. It just directed me in
Speaker 4: a dirty, sexy money.
Speaker 2: And so I went out to get the audition at
Speaker 2: five o'clock.
Speaker 4: You had to be there the next morning.
Speaker 2: But I went out the night before and bought some
Speaker 2: clothes I thought would be appropriate, which I know, I
Speaker 2: hate to shop more than I hate to go to
Speaker 2: the dentist.
Speaker 4: But I have pearl ear rings. Little store. Bought pearl
Speaker 4: earrings and a blue.
Speaker 3: First Not everyone's got first lady like a tire. I
Speaker 3: definitely don't.
Speaker 2: So I was just thinking, because there wasn't a lot
Speaker 2: of texts, I was like, who's the person standing next
Speaker 2: to Tony Cold? That's what I was trying to That's
Speaker 2: how I approached it. And I got that going and
Speaker 2: put my hair up when I set my two lines,
Speaker 2: and they gave me some adjustment and I said them again,
Speaker 2: and was it for Shanda, Anna and Betsy were in there.
Speaker 1: We're all in there.
Speaker 2: Huh yep, everybody's in that little tiny room and then
Speaker 2: you leave and the but then they called, and then
Speaker 2: I got the part I got the part.
Speaker 3: But didn't she tell you they there was like gonna
Speaker 3: be like three episodes, and like a hurt.
Speaker 2: I said my two lines and was nobody talked to
Speaker 2: me at the pilot.
Speaker 4: That I was just like glad to be there. I
Speaker 4: was literally just glad to be there.
Speaker 2: They did some step faking stepping off air Force one
Speaker 2: or I don't know what, were just like fake and Griffin.
Speaker 3: You were like coming out of the airplane.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, And then it was over and nobody says,
Speaker 2: booty you when you're a guest actor. And got picked
Speaker 2: up and I can't invite it to the table read
Speaker 2: for this episode, and I was like, oh, yeah, there
Speaker 2: comes and I like wore my best dress and I
Speaker 2: got all southerned up and showed up and was just.
Speaker 1: I remember I remember that day. I remember you at
Speaker 1: the table read. Oh, and I remember you being so
Speaker 1: sweet and so kind, and I remember thinking, no, Shade,
Speaker 1: I was like, why is friendly and kind and happy?
Speaker 1: She's just got a tiny roll. And I was like, damn,
Speaker 1: she real happy for this small ass roll. Yes, you
Speaker 1: could tell I'm in the room.
Speaker 4: Yes, So we did the read.
Speaker 2: Of course, it's a wonderful and I'm just like, I'm
Speaker 2: a part of something great.
Speaker 3: Did you have a part? What do you do in
Speaker 3: the second episode?
Speaker 2: I don't remember it anyway, and everybody sits still. I'm
Speaker 2: going to come around the room and I'm going to
Speaker 2: tell you what your ARC's gonna be for the first season.
Speaker 2: You're gonna do this, and you're gonna do this, and
Speaker 2: you're gonna do this.
Speaker 1: Who did Shonda? Shonda?
Speaker 4: And she got to me and I'm like, oh yeah,
Speaker 4: let me have it.
Speaker 2: And she was like, I want to write a presidential divorce.
Speaker 2: I think you're gonna be here maybe three episodes and
Speaker 2: it's gonna be great.
Speaker 1: And I was like, inside, yo, but cut to you,
Speaker 1: like having more stuff to do on this show than
Speaker 1: anyone else. Yes to you being.
Speaker 3: Elected as the president of the United States. At the
Speaker 3: end of the seventh season, Mellie Grant is the fucking
Speaker 3: President of the United States.
Speaker 1: Ridiculous, amazing, so.
Speaker 4: Longed, but I'm like, my I'm gonna get some good
Speaker 4: tape for my real is it killed me?
Speaker 2: I go to Liza Smith and I make her talk
Speaker 2: through my four four words that I have per episode
Speaker 2: or whatever.
Speaker 3: Smith is an acting coach who's incredible. Really gone to
Speaker 3: her for a meal. I took class with her. Everybody,
Speaker 3: look up if you're a prospect, if you're an actor
Speaker 3: in Los Angeles, and she does New York too.
Speaker 2: Lee got that job with me and for me because
Speaker 2: I went with if I had two words, if I
Speaker 2: had two pages, and then it was.
Speaker 4: Six pages, and then I had a big fight, could live.
Speaker 2: And then I got to stay all seven episodes and
Speaker 2: the trio was like.
Speaker 3: Oh what a what APO?
Speaker 2: And then I was like fuck I. I was really
Speaker 2: just proud, got taped like scenes for my reel.
Speaker 1: You got seven seasons of footage now for your reel.
Speaker 3: Seven seasons and a critics choice.
Speaker 1: Of juicy as like acting.
Speaker 3: Yes, this is the old time, greatest, most loved, hated, revered, respected, shocking,
Speaker 3: incredible characters.
Speaker 2: Yes, oh my god, there's a gift of a lifetime.
Speaker 2: And you guys just still people. Don't they still talk
Speaker 2: to you?
Speaker 4: They?
Speaker 1: Oh? Yeah?
Speaker 3: Every episode you would wait to get a call from
Speaker 3: your agents or something being like you're in the next one,
Speaker 3: and would you be freaked out every single time? Okay,
Speaker 3: Mellie's going to be written off, or she's going to
Speaker 3: be killed, or you're auditioning for other things, and what
Speaker 3: if you would book something else.
Speaker 2: I was also recurring on Criminal Minds and we were
Speaker 2: trying to offer me like something over there, and so
Speaker 2: they were trying to leverage it. They didn't think anything
Speaker 2: was right the Scandal for some reason. But then I
Speaker 2: thought for seven years, I was I was going to
Speaker 2: get killed off Scandal.
Speaker 1: So did we all of us did remember every every
Speaker 1: new episode, we'd be like, I'm still here, thank god
Speaker 1: every episode.
Speaker 4: But yeah, I was.
Speaker 2: They tried to leverage Criminal Minds with Scandal. It did
Speaker 2: not work, Peter Yo.
Speaker 1: But as an actor, right, these are so few and
Speaker 1: far between, these moments, these experiences where you do have
Speaker 1: a small role and then it turns into a big,
Speaker 1: significant role on a show. I did Weeds. I was
Speaker 1: supposed to do four episodes on Weeds and I ended
Speaker 1: up doing eight seasons of Weeds. And it was literally
Speaker 1: I had four or four episodes whatever. I was like
Speaker 1: a gang banger, no big ship. And the next thing
Speaker 1: I knew, I was like they.
Speaker 4: Kept bring I can't imagine without you.
Speaker 1: It was thank you.
Speaker 3: Any other big one isn't dread Mateo like she's the
Speaker 3: other famous one, like Bellamie on Sopranos, Drea da Matteo
Speaker 3: is like a huge prolific role.
Speaker 1: Is she married to Taturo's character, not Toaturo Michael Imperio.
Speaker 1: She's married to Michael Imperio.
Speaker 4: I'm gonna pull out my.
Speaker 3: Wife on fucking the Sopranos. Also was a co star,
Speaker 3: a tiny co star.
Speaker 2: Josh was not a series regular until I.
Speaker 1: Was Yes, that's right, yeah, yeah either.
Speaker 3: It's so crazy because when we started this podcast and
Speaker 3: we have to read guest starring Bellamy Young, George Newbird,
Speaker 3: it was so crazy. I'm like, what they started the
Speaker 3: whole show. We were all on the same show. Can
Speaker 3: we talk about, like, how was it working with Barry Bostwick,
Speaker 3: like your personal fave moments of the episode?
Speaker 4: For you Very's alleged Rocky Horror picture show.
Speaker 1: You guys, Brad, He's Brad in the Rocky heartor Picture Show.
Speaker 4: I was like, what in the world?
Speaker 2: And he just is such a good human being easy
Speaker 2: on set, especially we had to do. I didn't know
Speaker 2: Cattleman and I didn't know Barry, and so I was like, oh, hell,
Speaker 2: is this gonna go? But it was great because he
Speaker 2: is such a great actor. And a great guy. So
Speaker 2: it was all wonderful lessons, lessons everywhere I turned, all
Speaker 2: through scandal. Just it was like grad school, just like
Speaker 2: gobbling up all these wonderful lessons.
Speaker 1: Yeah, we'll be right back. Guys.
Speaker 3: Wow, you are so Bellamy. It's terrifying.
Speaker 2: It's face. I really did forget about hucked face.
Speaker 1: There was a lot of huck face. This is the
Speaker 1: episode where spider bit me on my face on your
Speaker 1: do you remember that, Katie? Like it got really serious
Speaker 1: and so the on the show it looks like I
Speaker 1: got punched dead ass, punched in the face and you
Speaker 1: could see the little spider bite in some of the
Speaker 1: closer on your eye.
Speaker 3: Like they did a good job. I don't think anyone
Speaker 3: else would have noticed, but I was like, oh, this
Speaker 3: is when Jerima was having something fucked up, Like what.
Speaker 1: Happened now to Gueramo. Yeah, he's got a.
Speaker 3: Few things because he had a peanut allergy blow up
Speaker 3: at his face blew. Yes, yes, when we were shooting,
Speaker 3: we've had some stats and.
Speaker 1: Then this jazzy little spider comes and bites me on
Speaker 1: my fucking eye.
Speaker 3: Anyway, go ahead, Katie Bellamy in if you could even
Speaker 3: answer this years and years together. I would like to
Speaker 3: know some of your all time favorite Melly memories on
Speaker 3: set and some of your favorite Bellamy memories off set.
Speaker 2: No swear, I loved every second of being Melly. I
Speaker 2: loved it. I loved it because at first.
Speaker 4: It was just like, who gets that great material? Do
Speaker 4: you know?
Speaker 2: So I'm just so grateful to have something great to
Speaker 2: work on and great people to work on it with.
Speaker 2: Eventually they'd write these little one act plays. When they
Speaker 2: shot Tony and he's like comatose in the bed, Jeffy
Speaker 2: and I have like a whole one act play over
Speaker 2: his sleep, and damn body had the easiest day that day.
Speaker 4: We were all like, oh, it's my next line, and he.
Speaker 1: Was like, and he's he truly fell asleep probably right
Speaker 1: part of it, and we were like, oh, you gotta wait.
Speaker 2: But I think about at first, I really also because
Speaker 2: I'm not so good at conflict, but Mellie was so like,
Speaker 2: really it have these big fights with people, and they'd
Speaker 2: be like, I'm so swarm storms.
Speaker 4: It's just a character, and I'm just saying with the road.
Speaker 2: But eventually I'm an exorcise.
Speaker 4: This part of me. I'm gonna go to work.
Speaker 1: Get that part out, Get it out. Yep, love that.
Speaker 4: Let's do this between her thighs. Let's have it now.
Speaker 4: I can just.
Speaker 2: Remember with Jeffy, or with Tony or with Carrie. We
Speaker 2: just got to do so much good work. It's the
Speaker 2: work I remember.
Speaker 1: But what I hate the most is that we didn't
Speaker 1: get to interact that often, right Katie, myself and Mellie.
Speaker 1: Which can you guys remember if we did have.
Speaker 4: A location, it was something to do with a collection.
Speaker 1: Yes, I remember at the edge with Cornelia's and.
Speaker 3: Operation and all that, because cars what it was we did.
Speaker 2: If there was an early one too, maybe it was
Speaker 2: a flash No, it wouldn't have been a flashback. I'm
Speaker 2: telling you guys, I've never watched Scandal. I don't know
Speaker 2: what happened.
Speaker 1: Wait, are you being serious?
Speaker 4: No, I'm being serious because we tweeted.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you would be the person that would watch the episode.
Speaker 3: But you were on the section of your phone writing
Speaker 3: all of your tweets and stuff like that. You were
Speaker 3: in your phone tweeting.
Speaker 4: Have you never seen it?
Speaker 2: I last night when I was watching the episode to
Speaker 2: come and talk to you all today, it was I
Speaker 2: spent the first ten to fifteen minutes just crying, just
Speaker 2: grass and joy and overwhelm and memories and oh, I'm
Speaker 2: just so grateful that we were all there and then
Speaker 2: we get to do this, and I'm so proud of
Speaker 2: all of us.
Speaker 3: Me too. It's like lightning in a bottle.
Speaker 1: Wee get.
Speaker 3: We feel so lucky hosting this podcast. In all honesty
Speaker 3: because I say this and I don't mean to sound conceited,
Speaker 3: but the show holds up, and the world is so
Speaker 3: great and the writing is so great, and I'm watching
Speaker 3: everything on TV now and Scandal is right there.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's such a gift. Yeah that we got to
Speaker 1: rewatch it. It's and now we're far away from it iney, Yeah,
Speaker 1: where I can watch myself and not be like, oh God,
Speaker 1: why did I do that? I wanted to do it
Speaker 1: this way. I'm just enjoying it.
Speaker 3: And I don't remember anything. Quinn comes up.
Speaker 1: I don't remember anything yet.
Speaker 3: What I'm like, I didn't know she did that. I
Speaker 3: don't remember any of it.
Speaker 1: Quinn did a lot in this episode. Gwynn really step
Speaker 1: in this episode.
Speaker 3: She really steps in it.
Speaker 2: Wow, kissing I didn't remember. Oh yeah, I don't remember
Speaker 2: you kissing George there.
Speaker 1: I didn't remember that either yet.
Speaker 3: I saw a tongue between Mellie Grant and Fitzgerald Grant
Speaker 3: and I liked it.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I saw that too.
Speaker 4: My husband.
Speaker 3: I think it was Tony's tongue for sure. We're gonna
Speaker 3: ask him now. Look, in the days of Scandal, this
Speaker 3: was pre intimacy coordinator. So yeah, we did not have
Speaker 3: any of this stuff. And also Tony, I have also
Speaker 3: had to make out with Tony in scenes on Scandal.
Speaker 3: Crazy most respectable, amazing dude. So I don't mean to
Speaker 3: be like Tony talking whin tongue all the time, tongued down.
Speaker 1: Listen, you got it's gotta be believable. You gotta give
Speaker 1: if they're that close up on your face and it's
Speaker 1: a merry come on, we weren't you have to hear.
Speaker 3: In that scene?
Speaker 1: Yes?
Speaker 3: Wait, had you had like major sex scenes with Tony
Speaker 3: before like that where it was like, I don't.
Speaker 4: Remember that one, so maybe everybody else can tell one
Speaker 4: had to be in the shower.
Speaker 1: Oh, the shower one we did that episode?
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, I think we did that.
Speaker 2: You're like, yeah, how are you going to keep your
Speaker 2: modesty appliances on under the waterfall, and I remember that,
Speaker 2: but I don't think there was much loving, much other loving.
Speaker 1: Right, it was so believable Mellie with Tony and Tony
Speaker 1: like that.
Speaker 3: Beginning sex scene was great and the camera was all
Speaker 3: up in your ship and I just thought you were
Speaker 3: so like giggly cute, Oh my god, and like it's
Speaker 3: so great because we don't see that these are so great.
Speaker 3: We don't see Melly, and this episode is really it
Speaker 3: justifies so much of why Melly is Melly is.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I know that's It was such a like an
Speaker 2: act of compassion to meet her then see her just
Speaker 2: loving fits.
Speaker 1: This was your seven fifty two. I feel like this
Speaker 1: was your seven fifty two, right, Yeah, your flashbacks, your backstory,
Speaker 1: all that stuff.
Speaker 3: Yeah, when you read it and saw that there was
Speaker 3: this rape scene between your father in law and you,
Speaker 3: were you like, let me do a quick email as Shonda,
Speaker 3: nor did you just jump in both feed and trust?
Speaker 3: What was your process around that? In zense, I.
Speaker 2: Didn't cotton on to the fact that we could have
Speaker 2: conversations with Shonda about changing scripts.
Speaker 1: I would never do that. There was never did it.
Speaker 1: I think Henry ian Cusick was the only one that
Speaker 1: ever emailed or I think I'm still going.
Speaker 4: To lee, And I was like, how am I?
Speaker 2: How can I take care of myself in this How
Speaker 2: can I tell this story the best? What can I
Speaker 2: say on set that keeps me? What's appropriate to say? Again,
Speaker 2: like you say, we didn't have intmacy coordinators? What's appropriate
Speaker 2: to say to take care of myself in this situation?
Speaker 2: And what is what do I just have to let
Speaker 2: go of and let happen?
Speaker 1: Well, my god, Bells, you did a beautiful job. And
Speaker 1: not only that scene where he's attacking you and so sad,
Speaker 1: and then we just there comes there's a moment when
Speaker 1: you just see Mellie give up, and that's so powerful.
Speaker 1: It's just you just lose all just expression on your
Speaker 1: face and it's so beautiful. And then also what stood
Speaker 1: out for me was this scene when you're walking back
Speaker 1: into the bedroom where Fitz calls you to the bed
Speaker 1: and it's close upon.
Speaker 3: You and we see him in the backwer no, get
Speaker 3: over here.
Speaker 1: I have chills right now. You probably see the hair
Speaker 1: standing up on my arm. It's crazy. Your work was
Speaker 1: so beautiful in that scene.
Speaker 2: Really, it's just so sad and relatable. It was just
Speaker 2: the shame of it was easy to find.
Speaker 3: You think she doesn't tell him, like, why does she
Speaker 3: not tell it's the right It's not the right choice.
Speaker 3: It's the most interesting choice for the show. I think.
Speaker 3: I'm just like it makes Melly who she is. It's no,
Speaker 3: I'm gonna accept this. I'm gonna not fuck up my
Speaker 3: marriage because of this, and I'm going to use it
Speaker 3: for our advantage because I am the political This is
Speaker 3: the birthplace of the political animal. Everything I've came to
Speaker 3: be to become Melly plus this equals the woman we
Speaker 3: know today. That's the thing.
Speaker 2: When I read the script, it was like, oh now
Speaker 2: it all makes so much sense. But I think looking back,
Speaker 2: like coming in the flashback in the moment, I think
Speaker 2: she is a person who doesn't see herself as a victim,
Speaker 2: like she should have been able to stop it and
Speaker 2: why did it happen? And not ready to share it
Speaker 2: yet and and then the yet never ends. And then
Speaker 2: knowing I have discused me as a lawyer, mind, this
Speaker 2: gives me power. I will leverage that and I'll deal
Speaker 2: with it emotionally another day, but right now, and get
Speaker 2: what I need, and what I need is what we need.
Speaker 2: But then fifteen years later you are such a little
Speaker 2: pussball of resist And so I was like, oh, that
Speaker 2: explains everything to me. Yeah, how she is where she is,
Speaker 2: who she is in the present, like all the rage
Speaker 2: and anger and disappointment and yeah again whenever that was that,
Speaker 2: I did at some time get to scream at him
Speaker 2: about it being my turn, Like when was it going
Speaker 2: to be my turn?
Speaker 4: After all? I gave up for him?
Speaker 1: Yeah. Do you think she ever told fits? Thinking outside
Speaker 1: of what we see what we saw on the show,
Speaker 1: I wonder if Nellie ever had a moment where she
Speaker 1: was she told fits what happened, you know what I mean.
Speaker 2: I don't think she did, which is an act of
Speaker 2: love in itself, because that is the most like when
Speaker 2: you think about me, you could say to somebody in
Speaker 2: a fight, that's the most.
Speaker 4: Vicious thing I think, especially like once little Jerry was deceased.
Speaker 4: I just think that was never just oh my god, Jerry,
Speaker 4: your son.
Speaker 1: He died.
Speaker 3: Got about that too?
Speaker 1: Oh shit?
Speaker 4: I don't know, God upset?
Speaker 3: Why does Melly hate little baby Teddy?
Speaker 1: So listen, first of all, it's little Gomez. Doesn't he
Speaker 1: look like from the Adams family? With that parted hair.
Speaker 1: I was like, why did they make him look like Gomez,
Speaker 1: like baby Gomez from the Adams Family.
Speaker 2: And this episode is he's huge.
Speaker 1: He's huge. Oh my god, Bellamy me too. I wrote
Speaker 1: it down as one of the memorable lines. He's huge.
Speaker 1: You could see the hate Melly's hate for this kid.
Speaker 3: Also, that little kid was a girl, right, that they
Speaker 3: just cut the hair to be a boy.
Speaker 1: Wait, one of them was I don't know if it
Speaker 1: was that one. One of them was Belly's.
Speaker 3: Bellamy's laughing because she doesn't know that one.
Speaker 4: That's terrible.
Speaker 3: No, I think that one was a girl. I could
Speaker 3: be wrong.
Speaker 2: I feel very bad that I we always had twins
Speaker 2: and that part I didn't.
Speaker 3: I'm pretty sure that baby girl would come into set,
Speaker 3: into the hair trailer when I was.
Speaker 1: There and they would they'd be like, this boy, oh look.
Speaker 3: She finally has grown in some of her hair from
Speaker 3: the last time she worked, and they'd be like, she's back.
Speaker 3: Time to give her that Gomez.
Speaker 1: Dude, Yo, Katie, can we please have that actor on
Speaker 1: the podcast? How old do you think she is? Do
Speaker 1: you think she is?
Speaker 3: She can definitely speak for herself. We have to have it.
Speaker 1: We have to have her, and we have to have
Speaker 1: a Bellamy back to be on episode.
Speaker 2: On behalf of everyone.
Speaker 4: I apologize for your haircuts.
Speaker 3: You're carrying this baby in the hallway, and who comes
Speaker 3: up to you, Kate.
Speaker 1: Burg Sally Langston. Yes, only time in.
Speaker 2: Seven years that Mellie isn't going to coming from doing something.
Speaker 2: I'm literally wait, lying in wait, standing still in the
Speaker 2: hall holding a baby, trying to look innocent, like waiting
Speaker 2: to like try and lure Sally into a trap about
Speaker 2: her husband being a lathario.
Speaker 1: With baby Gomez your arms. We will be.
Speaker 3: Back with more after the break. I think the Kerry
Speaker 3: Washington School of Acting Award goes to Mellie Grant in
Speaker 3: this episode and the young's work. The award goes beginning
Speaker 3: flashback scenes of you tongue smooching it's the fucking best,
Speaker 3: and the giggling and all of this into the awful
Speaker 3: rape scene, into the post scene of the rape, and
Speaker 3: then I'm obsessed with your ending scene where you're doing
Speaker 3: this stuff you talked about. You're like toasting and you're
Speaker 3: just like, we're gonna do it, and you're unsure, like
Speaker 3: you're acting. Bellamy is like you're like so not as
Speaker 3: great as you became at giving a speech, and I
Speaker 3: know that was an acting choice and.
Speaker 1: It was so good.
Speaker 3: But you won all the awards this episode deservedly. So
Speaker 3: we always talk about the food in the episode, which
Speaker 3: all I took for my notes was shitloads of grapes.
Speaker 3: Everyone's plate just has grapes, and I'm just like, oh god,
Speaker 3: no adult grabs that as a snack. Like clearly this
Speaker 3: was season.
Speaker 1: Three when a lot of us were like, oh shit,
Speaker 1: I could see the camera does add ten pounds, let me,
Speaker 1: let me get grapes for the scene. Let me eat grapes.
Speaker 1: But the only there was one person eating, and it
Speaker 1: was George in the car.
Speaker 4: Carge car always eat a sandwich or something.
Speaker 3: Right, sandwich?
Speaker 1: Yeah, oh god.
Speaker 3: I wanted to make out too.
Speaker 4: I was gonna say, how is it? How is that that?
Speaker 4: It's so funny to watch.
Speaker 1: That knowing their relationship now that they're oh my god,
Speaker 1: like the best.
Speaker 3: I remember reading it and being like, are we doing this?
Speaker 3: Is this what we're doing? First of all, I felt
Speaker 3: bad at the time because I remember this, but we're
Speaker 3: twenty five years different, I think, or maybe twenty two
Speaker 3: something like that, And he was getting a lot of
Speaker 3: shit in the pickup line at his kids' school. He
Speaker 3: was because his kids were like young, and then all
Speaker 3: the moms and dads would be like, saw scandal last night,
Speaker 3: Like how's it? Uh? Oh shit, it's so stupid. But
Speaker 3: I remember that going on. But no, I remember being
Speaker 3: completely out of left field, and then I remember not
Speaker 3: really getting it. And then when we shot it, I
Speaker 3: was like, Oh, this is hilarious and amazing and so
Speaker 3: scandal and it makes perfect sense. And I'm just not
Speaker 3: ever smart enough to be a scandal writer, so I
Speaker 3: would never come up with something like this. But it's perfect,
Speaker 3: and we just have chemistry completely different than the Quinnhuk chemistry.
Speaker 3: It's a different thing, like that betrayal.
Speaker 4: Oh my god, you did that.
Speaker 3: Oh I don't remember doing it. I don't remember shooting it.
Speaker 3: I don't remember sing a thing in a guy's hand.
Speaker 3: I don't remember running like that. Was it out of
Speaker 3: my mind. I remember like having blood off. I don't
Speaker 3: remember any of it.
Speaker 1: Wow, it was really cool.
Speaker 3: I think the episodes were coming so fast and furious
Speaker 3: at this point.
Speaker 1: I didn't have time. I completely think about that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, episode seven in the first season, when Quinn is
Speaker 3: also covered in Gideon's Blood. I remember shooting it. I
Speaker 3: remember shooting it. I remember every minute of it. But
Speaker 3: now that we're in episode three oh seven, I and
Speaker 3: the next one was probably like coming in two days
Speaker 3: and I was like so stressed about memorizing the lines,
Speaker 3: and or it.
Speaker 2: Was three episodes later and this was a reshoot one
Speaker 2: night to pick up by a dumpster, like you're.
Speaker 4: Being recruited, right.
Speaker 2: That's why I can't remember anything, because there was so
Speaker 2: much extra film. Do you remember the last episode whatever
Speaker 2: we did. She might have lived at the table read
Speaker 2: and died in the episode, or maybe it's opposite. So
Speaker 2: much changed.
Speaker 3: I remember going into a d R and saying, Oh,
Speaker 3: I can't wait till we get to that scann Rewatch podcast.
Speaker 3: Whoever that actor was, I don't remember he I will
Speaker 3: get there when we get there. But I remember being
Speaker 3: in ADR and then being like, nope, he's dead. And
Speaker 3: he was alive when we shot it, and they just
Speaker 3: literally changed my line when it was on his back.
Speaker 3: That was like and he never woke up again. And
Speaker 3: I wave to the sound department and I was like, wait,
Speaker 3: this guy is dead. Yeah, he's done. I was like oh, which.
Speaker 1: Means like dead in real life.
Speaker 3: No, somebody just didn't like it. They just like, that's hilarious. Careful.
Speaker 1: I was like, wait, oh god, now.
Speaker 2: You you that was your burden this whole series is
Speaker 2: you were always an ad r changing the storyline because.
Speaker 3: Quinn had to do so much plot in the later
Speaker 3: on in later seasons, Quinn will get there had a
Speaker 3: lot of the plot talking about when we were doing
Speaker 3: the cases of the week, and so when they would
Speaker 3: rejigger the plot for whatever way, they could just change
Speaker 3: it when it was not on my face but on
Speaker 3: the back of my head. So I was going and changing.
Speaker 3: It was so fun. Okay, so we've got grapes for food,
Speaker 3: we've got the acting moments.
Speaker 1: And wait, I just wanted to throw in one acting
Speaker 1: moment Honorary. You mentioned Darby. There's the scene in Olivia's
Speaker 1: office she tells a live I'm gonna hug you. Now
Speaker 1: you just you could just stand there, but you have
Speaker 1: to take it and I'm gonna That was brilliance. Both
Speaker 1: of those actors were so amazing in that scene and
Speaker 1: it was hilarious too. It was hilarious, like she's.
Speaker 3: Yes, perfect, gee hit us with the horror. How does
Speaker 3: this episode have anything you guys?
Speaker 1: Listen? First, Bellamy Young did a movie that I freaking
Speaker 1: love called The Nightstalker with Lou Diamond Phillips, about the
Speaker 1: prolific serial killer Richard Ramirez. It's a stellar film. It's
Speaker 1: so good and your work is good. Your wig is
Speaker 1: good in that movie. I love that. Sexy as hell.
Speaker 4: For you, I had bangs. It was great. But can
Speaker 4: we give it for lou My dear Lucia.
Speaker 1: Scary as hell?
Speaker 4: That was a hard one to Was that tough?
Speaker 1: What was that like shooting that movie?
Speaker 4: I was scary.
Speaker 3: We had a wonderful Who did you play? Bells?
Speaker 2: I was just sized character that I'd go as a
Speaker 2: lawyer trying to find information on some other victims that
Speaker 2: I think are linked to him, and as he's dying
Speaker 2: and on death row, I have all these at first.
Speaker 2: He dies eventually, but I have all these one on
Speaker 2: one interviews. It's us talking to each other, ME and
Speaker 2: Lou and just his work was so beautiful and it
Speaker 2: was so fun to try and keep up with.
Speaker 1: That Bell's I did some research when I was looking
Speaker 1: up the film again, just to read up on it.
Speaker 1: I've seen it a couple of times, and I love
Speaker 1: it so much. But I read that some of Richard
Speaker 1: Ramirez's art work was actually up in the cell in
Speaker 1: the scene when he's in the cell, the actual artwork
Speaker 1: that this maniac did. I got chills when I read that.
Speaker 1: That's crazy.
Speaker 3: People are fucking crazy. And when you hear Sheil like,
Speaker 3: oh yeah, oh my.
Speaker 4: God, like I know that's scared. That that scared me.
Speaker 4: I was like, don't come. I don't want any of
Speaker 4: us to come home with me.
Speaker 1: So y'all got to go watch The Night's Talker.
Speaker 3: Ay, Yes, Bellamy was in the cottage in twenty twelve.
Speaker 4: We made that.
Speaker 3: And if we made that one, she says, she was
Speaker 3: in my sleep in twenty ten. I don't know any
Speaker 3: of these, but Bellamy, you've been around. This is also
Speaker 3: why Scandal was so fucking great, because me being the baby,
Speaker 3: but coming in every single one of you had worked
Speaker 3: for a very long time, like consistent working journeymen, journey
Speaker 3: women actors in the truest sense, and we were all
Speaker 3: just hoping and praying that time hadn't run out and
Speaker 3: someone would give us some sort of a shot for
Speaker 3: financial stability and good material and just doing that dream
Speaker 3: life where you get to show up every day at
Speaker 3: an acting job that you like to be at. And
Speaker 3: between Bellamy and Guillermo and Jeff Perry and Dan Bugatinsky
Speaker 3: and Tony Goldwyn even though yes, he had done big stuff,
Speaker 3: but it had been like not of recent I feel like,
Speaker 3: and even Carrie Washington. Everyone was so thrilled and grateful
Speaker 3: to be there. One was like, oh please, this is
Speaker 3: a dime a dozen. We can get this. Everyone was like,
Speaker 3: no one blow their nose too hot or steady, just steady,
Speaker 3: keep it going. Do you want to line?
Speaker 4: Should we practice?
Speaker 1: We were so good about that, right, We would always
Speaker 1: write we were such good, good boys and girls. We
Speaker 1: really were like, let's run lines, guys, because we had
Speaker 1: to get them out so fast that we had to.
Speaker 4: Yes, had no pain than being the person the weaklink up.
Speaker 3: Yes, okay we have. Barry Bostwick was the narrator in
Speaker 3: rob Zombies three from Hell in twenty nineteen.
Speaker 1: I don't know, it's like I haven't seen that one either,
Speaker 1: but again, of course again he was Brad in the
Speaker 1: Rocky Eart picture It's still playing in when theaters around
Speaker 1: the world at midnight, The Midnight.
Speaker 3: Movie classic of epic proportion. Okay, we've got word for
Speaker 3: the words, just the writing for the episode. A couple
Speaker 3: standout moments from the app For me, I'm doing a
Speaker 3: standout words for the words and a cringe moment of
Speaker 3: my acting is when Quinn's says they dead.
Speaker 1: I can wait, when do you say they dead?
Speaker 3: We're going at a round table about the people who
Speaker 3: were murdered on the plane when the plane when fits
Speaker 3: shot down the plane and they're like and everyone's doing
Speaker 3: fast one liners and everybody on the plane. Quinn goes,
Speaker 3: they did Are you kidding me? It is horribly delivered.
Speaker 1: They did it.
Speaker 3: They did it shouldn't have been mine. It's not good.
Speaker 3: I hope somebody laughed and it brought somebody joy because
Speaker 3: everybody else.
Speaker 1: I'm going to watch it just.
Speaker 3: Did it is they did. It's not good at all.
Speaker 3: I love James Line. You control everything, which is exactly
Speaker 3: why I want to have sex with you and kill you.
Speaker 1: At the same time.
Speaker 4: Yes.
Speaker 3: Also fashion moment, he is the biggest silliest tie on it.
Speaker 1: Yes, the big pink amazing, amazing, so terrible, but so good.
Speaker 1: Also another fashion moment is Harrison's wearing pink suspenders, you guys,
Speaker 1: did you guys clock that they're really actually dopey? And
Speaker 1: another fashion moment, Carrie's wearing a black coat with a
Speaker 1: white collar and white cuffs at the top of the show.
Speaker 3: Which is opposite for her.
Speaker 1: It's very Willy Wonka Willy Wonka. Yeah, but it's I
Speaker 1: don't know who the designer is, but it's a killer.
Speaker 3: I love this episode so much. I loved your work
Speaker 3: in this so much. I'm just so grateful we ended
Speaker 3: up altogether. What else we have to talk about? We've
Speaker 3: got fun facts for the app ITTs revealed that Olivia
Speaker 3: did know that her father's B six thirteen alias name
Speaker 3: was Rowan Cyrus mentions that he was married to a woman.
Speaker 1: Yes, he does go we.
Speaker 3: Learned that in this episode. Yeah, and the big which
Speaker 3: we talked about, like the big reveal we meet that
Speaker 3: Carrie Washington has a mom at all and it's played
Speaker 3: by Candy Alexander and it's the greatest reveal ever.
Speaker 4: Next week, can't get here soon enough?
Speaker 3: Can't yes?
Speaker 4: Watch those two human fight and work.
Speaker 1: A gift man.
Speaker 3: Yes, yes, we have some to the time oh time capsule,
Speaker 3: some tweets at the time. I freaking love this at
Speaker 3: Chris Allegra November fifteen, twenty thirteen, said Mellie Grant said
Speaker 3: she's a tar heel. It explains so much hashtag skittle.
Speaker 3: Solly Grant went to UNC.
Speaker 2: I hope it explained so much in a good way.
Speaker 4: She did that. I think I can't remember where she
Speaker 4: did go, but I think it just.
Speaker 3: Grew up in North Carolina.
Speaker 4: I grew up in North Carolina.
Speaker 3: Is that where you grew up?
Speaker 4: Yeah? And we even say Ashville when in that scene
Speaker 4: to bed he was I was like, my dad just called.
Speaker 4: He wanted to talk to his little girl, and which
Speaker 4: is my home? I write?
Speaker 3: Because they knew you were from Ashville?
Speaker 4: I guess, so it's too weird if they didn't, right.
Speaker 1: I remember we used to say that we felt like
Speaker 1: there was cameras in our trailers or on set because
Speaker 1: shit would pop up and you'd be like, wait, how
Speaker 1: did you know that? I went to Incarnation grammar school,
Speaker 1: whatever it was.
Speaker 2: Because she gave herself Alex left season two, she could hear.
Speaker 1: Everything everything yo. And then so Tyler J. Martin's tweeted,
Speaker 1: I just watched Scandal and I am curled up into
Speaker 1: a ball on my bed shouting Melley into my pillow.
Speaker 1: I'm so emotionally stable hashtag emotionally stable.
Speaker 3: This is also a good Melley one. Lula d At
Speaker 3: I run with Lula tweeted, you declare war on me,
Speaker 3: and you shame me, and you make me beg for
Speaker 3: scraps and I've done nothing but fight for you. Damn
Speaker 3: Melie that hashtag scandal.
Speaker 1: Katie Babs tweeted finally watching last night's Scandal and Cyrus
Speaker 1: was rocking the rug on his head and a beard
Speaker 1: fifteen years ago. He sure was he was doing something
Speaker 1: to that wig. Was something was happening up there?
Speaker 3: A lot at Adela A Fadi wrote, O MG, scandal,
Speaker 3: what no way? My heart can't take argg A dk
Speaker 3: f m f l K. That's just like a lot
Speaker 3: of gibbers, because what a gift to Bellamie Young to
Speaker 3: come on rewatch Scandal podcast. You're gonna have to come
Speaker 3: back again because I.
Speaker 1: Ten more times touch based on.
Speaker 3: All the personal memories. But we ship Juice.
Speaker 1: And God, it feels like we've been talking for ten minutes.
Speaker 3: Oh, I know, is it really?
Speaker 4: I don't shoot all right?
Speaker 3: Well?
Speaker 4: No, I just I miss you guys.
Speaker 1: We miss you too, Bells. What are you doing right now? Bells?
Speaker 1: What are you working on right now?
Speaker 2: Eat?
Speaker 1: And what are you gonna eat? And what are you
Speaker 1: working on? Yes?
Speaker 4: No, I I've I've brought am.
Speaker 2: I working on my dearest friend Say and I wrote
Speaker 2: the first book and a sci fi y a trilogy
Speaker 2: and we just did the shut out for it. So
Speaker 2: we're just getting that off the ground.
Speaker 1: That's what I'm that's exciting.
Speaker 3: Bell me Young went to Yale. She's smart.
Speaker 2: I don't know about that, but we just yeah, we
Speaker 2: love yeah, we love the Are you.
Speaker 1: A sci fi fan? Yeah?
Speaker 4: Yea.
Speaker 2: And I also just and like where the world is
Speaker 2: going and now the question where like what we're all
Speaker 2: facing with Ai and anyway, we just had this idea
Speaker 2: they wouldn't leave us alone. And now we've written the
Speaker 2: first books.
Speaker 1: That's exciting. Can you share the title or not yet?
Speaker 4: I think not yet?
Speaker 3: Okay, good, yeah, okay tell us at a later time.
Speaker 3: What are you going to eat today? What are you
Speaker 3: going to eat?
Speaker 4: You're going to make us a big veggie stir fries,
Speaker 4: so like tough puns of broccoli and ye.
Speaker 3: It's rainy here.
Speaker 1: We didn't even get to talk about all the amazing
Speaker 1: vegan fried chicken that Mellie got on the show, right,
Speaker 1: you were obsessed with it, weren't you.
Speaker 4: They made that special for us, Like that's en, that's
Speaker 4: of it.
Speaker 2: You're not going to get healthier, had to Doomies, but
Speaker 2: it's going to be delicious. So hard.
Speaker 1: Yeah, probably, I'm going to go to Doomies for lunch.
Speaker 1: Vegan fried chicken.
Speaker 3: I'm getting a veggie stir fry. That's It's so freaking
Speaker 3: so good, Bellamy. There is no scandal without Melly Grand,
Speaker 3: and there is no Melly Grand without Bell Me love me.
Speaker 1: So much, Bell Yeah, Amy you yeah, but.
Speaker 3: What's your middle name?
Speaker 4: Maria?
Speaker 3: Like, give me a minute?
Speaker 4: And he was like Amy Maria Young her initial speller name.
Speaker 1: And she was like, oh ship, I love.
Speaker 2: That so so we monogrammed everything back in the day
Speaker 2: and it was like a y am so it.
Speaker 4: Lay on that plane. But he tried, yeah, I.
Speaker 1: Would, Oh, Amy Maria Young, we love you. I love
Speaker 1: you more than my luggage, as they say in Steel Magnolias.
Speaker 1: I was trying to think of something southern. I love
Speaker 1: you more than my luggage. I love you so much.
Speaker 4: I love you and you guys are doing such a
Speaker 4: good job. The podcast is so good. Thank you so soon.
Speaker 1: You for having so much fun. Thank you guys for
Speaker 1: joining us on Unpacking the Toolbox. If you enjoyed the show,
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