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Speaker 1: news segment here at the front of Physiology, reacting to

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Speaker 1: the signing of Johnny Quato, as reported overnight by John

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Speaker 1: Haymn of MLB Network. Thankfully, my dog woke me up

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Speaker 1: this episode was recorded by myself, Lewis, Addiel Weiss, and

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Speaker 1: Daniel Rodriguez on Sunday. That was when the Marlins were

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Speaker 1: considered front runners for Cuato. As reported by Grant Kiefer,

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Speaker 1: our own Fish Stripe staffer, we knew it was a possibility,

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Speaker 1: it is a eight point five million dollar guarantee, six

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Speaker 1: Big fan of the show, Daniel, You're hear in every episode,

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Speaker 1: often and make bad quality contact, you risk grounding into

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Speaker 1: double plays, which Sigura did I think sixteen times last year,

433
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Speaker 1: not every Sometimes the difference between a strikeout and a

434
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Speaker 1: non strikeout out gets overstated. You know, there's only so

435
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Speaker 1: many balls in play that are actually productive outs. So

436
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Speaker 1: that's the plus and minus of it with somebody like Sigura.

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Speaker 1: But the bottom line is that you put it all

438
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Speaker 1: together and you look at his history, and it's kind

439
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Speaker 1: of a he's a net positive. You know, usually he

440
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Speaker 1: does a little bit more positive than negative with those

441
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Speaker 1: balls in play, and even with these rule changes, I

442
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Speaker 1: just expect him to be kind of the same dude

443
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Speaker 1: that we're used to sing.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, and with Sigura, I'm looking at some more of

445
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Speaker 4: his advanced that I think Lewis can tell me a

446
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Speaker 4: little more what these numbers mean for his Babu having

447
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Speaker 4: a three h seven, Lewis, when I see Babbu three

448
00:23:05,760 --> 00:23:08,159
Speaker 4: oh seven, is that something to worry about or is

449
00:23:08,200 --> 00:23:10,560
Speaker 4: that something good to see from Sigura?

450
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Speaker 3: I believe Eli, if I'm not mistaken, you may have

451
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Speaker 3: that in front of you. The league average babup is

452
00:23:15,720 --> 00:23:20,520
Speaker 3: generally around to ninety, if I'm not mistaken, So it

453
00:23:19,800 --> 00:23:23,760
Speaker 3: tends to illustrate with Sigura that and obviously babup is

454
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Speaker 3: independent of home runs, so you're not going to be exploring,

455
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Speaker 3: you know, you know, the ten or so home runs

456
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Speaker 3: he hit last year, So you know, if thirty plus

457
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Speaker 3: percent of the time he's putting the ball in play, obviously,

458
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Speaker 3: to simplify the metrics, stick with the metric illustrates he's

459
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Speaker 3: getting a hit, he's getting on base. And even if

460
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Speaker 3: you look at his batting average on pitch types he

461
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Speaker 3: was you know, the expected stats are a little down

462
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Speaker 3: on him because the bat speed isn't what you want.

463
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Speaker 3: But you know, you know, hit two ninety four and

464
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Speaker 3: fast balls. He handled breaking balls relatively well, hit two

465
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Speaker 3: eighty nine, but the expected stats are a little lower

466
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Speaker 3: on him. Sure, I think you know. And if you

467
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Speaker 3: want to talk about what Eli was saying about the

468
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Speaker 3: fact that he's very rarely shifted on what you know,

469
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Speaker 3: an average of about one or two times a season,

470
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Speaker 3: the quality of contact being down, and the fact that

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Speaker 3: you know, he tends to just have a very consistent

472
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Speaker 3: profile with bat at ball data, that could that may

473
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Speaker 3: scare some people because if he hits balls that defenders

474
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Speaker 3: a lot more, that bab will drop. I don't think

475
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Speaker 3: it'll approach maybe Max Kepler levels of babbit malnourishment. But again,

476
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Speaker 3: he'll you know, he'll have to get I guess he'll

477
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Speaker 3: have to get creative. I mean, whether that's being slightly

478
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Speaker 3: more selective. And Eli had the metrics up about how

479
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Speaker 3: he well he hits left these he looks like he

480
00:24:40,359 --> 00:24:43,560
Speaker 3: does tend to walk that walk to striker right is

481
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Speaker 3: closer to one to one. But you know, he's still

482
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Speaker 3: very aggressive regardless of what hand the ball is coming

483
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Speaker 3: out of. So yeah, a three or five babb is

484
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Speaker 3: above the league average. But again, it still illustrates that

485
00:24:54,840 --> 00:24:58,399
Speaker 3: he just has a knack for finding holes. And you know, again,

486
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Speaker 3: whether that is it benefit to him with these relaxed

487
00:25:03,320 --> 00:25:07,200
Speaker 3: defensive rules remains to be seen. But you know, again

488
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Speaker 3: I think you should you know, fans in an offseason

489
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Speaker 3: and has been kind of filled with expectations that haven't

490
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Speaker 3: been met. You know, a marginal improvement like this while

491
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Speaker 3: the uh, you know, the big gets are kind of

492
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Speaker 3: gone off the free agent shelves. Is it's you know,

493
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Speaker 3: it's a consolation, but it's you know, he's a good player,

494
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Speaker 3: and I think he'll be of value at six and

495
00:25:26,240 --> 00:25:28,200
Speaker 3: a half million. It's really like a no risk kind

496
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Speaker 3: of thing for him.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, and for Jeans Girl, I wanted to ask Eli

498
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Speaker 4: for se girl, where do you see him in the

499
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Speaker 4: batting order, because I'm just looking at some of his stats.

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Speaker 4: He played the majority of last season between the seventh

501
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Speaker 4: and eighth in the lineup. I was wondering if that's

502
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Speaker 4: something you see him with the Marlins. Do you see

503
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Speaker 4: him down there with the lineup or do you see

504
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Speaker 4: him more towards the beginning like he was with Milwaukee

505
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Speaker 4: and Seattle.

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Speaker 1: I mean, my first expectation would be the number two

507
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Speaker 1: spot right behind Jazz. On roster resource, they're pretty good

508
00:26:04,080 --> 00:26:07,439
Speaker 1: at a projecting this stuff. They haven't at the leadoff

509
00:26:07,480 --> 00:26:09,800
Speaker 1: spot ahead of Jazz. But I think from watching this

510
00:26:09,880 --> 00:26:12,200
Speaker 1: team every day and from actually, you know, being around Jazz,

511
00:26:12,200 --> 00:26:14,520
Speaker 1: we know how much he loves being the leadoff guy.

512
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Speaker 1: So I expect I think he could just be in

513
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Speaker 1: the number two spot right behind Jazz. The fact that

514
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Speaker 1: it's a left and a righty alternating between those two,

515
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Speaker 1: I mean, what's kind of tricky is that this is

516
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Speaker 1: a first time manager and Skip Schumacher, we have no

517
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Speaker 1: idea what he's going to do putting together these lineups.

518
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Speaker 3: It's a great point.

519
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Speaker 1: I mean, that's something that we would have a good

520
00:26:34,600 --> 00:26:38,520
Speaker 1: educated guess on if the marlinston just changed managers and

521
00:26:38,920 --> 00:26:42,440
Speaker 1: basically everybody involved in the offensive side of their coaching

522
00:26:42,440 --> 00:26:45,040
Speaker 1: staff as well. So that's a short answer is that

523
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Speaker 1: I don't know. I mean, Skip is different. They brought

524
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Speaker 1: him into be to put lineups differently than they have

525
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Speaker 1: been put together the last seven years under Don Mattingly.

526
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Speaker 1: But my first guess would be like in the number

527
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Speaker 1: two spot. But that is a good question, and I

528
00:27:01,800 --> 00:27:04,320
Speaker 1: think that's something that I'll probably want to look back

529
00:27:04,359 --> 00:27:07,280
Speaker 1: at how the Cardinals put together lineups last year with

530
00:27:07,400 --> 00:27:10,719
Speaker 1: Skid as their bench coach whatever. I think that was

531
00:27:10,760 --> 00:27:12,760
Speaker 1: his exact role there. I think that would give us

532
00:27:12,760 --> 00:27:14,520
Speaker 1: some more insight as to what they do. But the

533
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Speaker 1: fact that they made this kind of investment in him

534
00:27:17,000 --> 00:27:20,840
Speaker 1: and based on who they already have in this organization,

535
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Speaker 1: I mean outside of Jazz, you know these everyday guys.

536
00:27:25,240 --> 00:27:28,280
Speaker 1: Cigar traditionally he kind of fits to the te what

537
00:27:28,400 --> 00:27:30,080
Speaker 1: you look for and the number two hitter.

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Speaker 3: So I think we understand now it's kind of generally

539
00:27:34,760 --> 00:27:36,879
Speaker 3: been said and we've seen it. Even with the Angels,

540
00:27:36,920 --> 00:27:39,480
Speaker 3: for all their shortcomings, Mike Trout has kind of transitioned

541
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Speaker 3: into the number three hitter that just tends to hit second.

542
00:27:43,720 --> 00:27:45,440
Speaker 3: I think the Rights have done it for a while

543
00:27:45,480 --> 00:27:46,120
Speaker 3: with Joey Voto.

544
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Speaker 4: Two.

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00:27:46,720 --> 00:27:49,080
Speaker 3: If you actually Danny and Eli, if you look at

546
00:27:49,119 --> 00:27:53,639
Speaker 3: his splits by position or where he hits some batting lineup,

547
00:27:54,080 --> 00:27:56,840
Speaker 3: he's a better hitter in the number three slot than

548
00:27:57,080 --> 00:27:59,720
Speaker 3: he would be anywhere else by adjusted by ops. He's

549
00:27:59,720 --> 00:28:02,879
Speaker 3: got a career seven eighty eight ops in you know

550
00:28:03,880 --> 00:28:05,800
Speaker 3: what is it. It's about two hundred played appearances in

551
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Speaker 3: the number three spots, so a smaller sample size than

552
00:28:08,560 --> 00:28:11,000
Speaker 3: most other spots that he's hit. He has experience in

553
00:28:11,040 --> 00:28:13,479
Speaker 3: every order spot in batting order. But I think if

554
00:28:13,520 --> 00:28:16,679
Speaker 3: you're if you're a big chemistry guy, and again this

555
00:28:16,800 --> 00:28:19,800
Speaker 3: is kind of issuing numbers for a second, although there's

556
00:28:19,800 --> 00:28:22,879
Speaker 3: obviously a corollary between the two if you want to

557
00:28:22,960 --> 00:28:25,240
Speaker 3: keep Jazz happy, and it seems like that this organization

558
00:28:25,359 --> 00:28:27,760
Speaker 3: is help bent on doing that because he is for

559
00:28:27,920 --> 00:28:31,040
Speaker 3: a position player corps that is, you know, I guess

560
00:28:31,400 --> 00:28:33,800
Speaker 3: very non existent, because there's just very few guys that

561
00:28:33,840 --> 00:28:36,320
Speaker 3: we see, you know, three five years down the line,

562
00:28:36,520 --> 00:28:38,480
Speaker 3: that wanting to be with this team or at least

563
00:28:38,480 --> 00:28:40,480
Speaker 3: that we want to be with this team in loot

564
00:28:40,560 --> 00:28:42,760
Speaker 3: in hopes of winning, Like the way that Sherman has

565
00:28:42,760 --> 00:28:45,760
Speaker 3: illustrated he wants to do. If culture is one thing

566
00:28:45,800 --> 00:28:48,760
Speaker 3: that matters to you and you're invested in analytics and

567
00:28:48,800 --> 00:28:51,560
Speaker 3: making your team better, do you think that they would

568
00:28:51,560 --> 00:28:54,720
Speaker 3: flirt with the idea of, you know, moving Cigura into

569
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Speaker 3: the three spot. I mean, you can hit Garrett Cooper fourth,

570
00:28:58,320 --> 00:29:01,080
Speaker 3: you can maybe hit Avi fourth, kind of rotate those

571
00:29:01,080 --> 00:29:03,200
Speaker 3: guys in. And now we know that like the you know,

572
00:29:03,240 --> 00:29:06,320
Speaker 3: the idea of a of a standard spot for a guy.

573
00:29:06,480 --> 00:29:08,880
Speaker 3: Though you know, individual players will tell you, and they've

574
00:29:08,880 --> 00:29:11,680
Speaker 3: told us before, that they do prefer to hit a

575
00:29:11,680 --> 00:29:14,640
Speaker 3: certain place in the batting order because it comes with

576
00:29:14,680 --> 00:29:17,000
Speaker 3: a certain type of preparation and the way as far

577
00:29:17,000 --> 00:29:18,720
Speaker 3: as how they game plan and everything and how they'll

578
00:29:18,760 --> 00:29:22,000
Speaker 3: possibly be pitched. Do you think that's something they may

579
00:29:22,000 --> 00:29:24,960
Speaker 3: experiment with during the season, because again, like it may

580
00:29:25,120 --> 00:29:27,320
Speaker 3: speak to maybe a power outage that's going on there,

581
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Speaker 3: because Sigura isn't a prototypical number three hitter, But if

582
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Speaker 3: you're gauging power production on a mere ops basis, he's

583
00:29:35,560 --> 00:29:38,080
Speaker 3: more productive there than he is at any other place

584
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Speaker 3: in the batting order. I mean, you could look elsewhere.

585
00:29:40,480 --> 00:29:44,680
Speaker 3: He's productive. If you hit him fifth, and realistically that

586
00:29:44,720 --> 00:29:46,840
Speaker 3: could make sense. I mean you probably have to hit

587
00:29:46,960 --> 00:29:50,400
Speaker 3: Rojas second, Jazz first, you maybe hit Cooper a VI third,

588
00:29:51,640 --> 00:29:53,600
Speaker 3: rotate those guys three, four, and then you can hit

589
00:29:53,640 --> 00:29:57,000
Speaker 3: Sigura fifth, where he has a lot more experience with

590
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Speaker 3: the player. I believe it's over a thousand plus play

591
00:29:59,200 --> 00:30:01,920
Speaker 3: appearances and the number five spot seven eighty two ops.

592
00:30:01,960 --> 00:30:04,120
Speaker 3: That's better than what he's done over a full season

593
00:30:04,160 --> 00:30:08,040
Speaker 3: in a while. Yeah, if that's something that works for him, sure,

594
00:30:08,560 --> 00:30:10,480
Speaker 3: I think maybe again, you have to adjust to getting

595
00:30:10,480 --> 00:30:12,320
Speaker 3: back to the conversation about the ballpark that there may

596
00:30:12,360 --> 00:30:14,680
Speaker 3: be some slight regression there. But even when he goes

597
00:30:14,720 --> 00:30:16,400
Speaker 3: on the road, there's gonna be you know, stadiums that

598
00:30:16,440 --> 00:30:18,600
Speaker 3: he's gonna play in that are more hitter friendly. You know,

599
00:30:18,640 --> 00:30:22,640
Speaker 3: he'll get some time in Philadelphia, Washington, I believe sometimes

600
00:30:22,760 --> 00:30:25,520
Speaker 3: is very very hitter friendly. Atlanta to an extent when

601
00:30:25,520 --> 00:30:28,480
Speaker 3: it's not one hundred plus degrees outside. So yeah, I

602
00:30:28,480 --> 00:30:31,160
Speaker 3: mean third is an option, but you know, fifth maybe

603
00:30:31,240 --> 00:30:33,280
Speaker 3: is a place that makes sense. I think it's just

604
00:30:33,360 --> 00:30:36,640
Speaker 3: all about maximizing production, and I think we're gonna have

605
00:30:36,680 --> 00:30:38,760
Speaker 3: to wait more until spring training to kind of see

606
00:30:38,840 --> 00:30:41,440
Speaker 3: what new coaching staff kind of says. But it'd be

607
00:30:41,440 --> 00:30:43,320
Speaker 3: interesting to pick the brain to those guys, and maybe

608
00:30:43,360 --> 00:30:45,240
Speaker 3: we'll do that if we get a chance to talk

609
00:30:45,280 --> 00:30:47,840
Speaker 3: to some of them, you know, as the season creeps closer,

610
00:30:48,000 --> 00:30:50,200
Speaker 3: about what they plan to do with Segura, and maybe

611
00:30:50,280 --> 00:30:52,120
Speaker 3: just a line up as a whole, because it'll give

612
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Speaker 3: us a better idea of what we may expect with

613
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Speaker 3: the team overall.

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Speaker 1: The final thing I wanted to point out on Sigura

615
00:30:58,680 --> 00:31:01,400
Speaker 1: is that as he brought up with a Jazz and

616
00:31:01,440 --> 00:31:03,800
Speaker 1: how important he is in the hope that he's going

617
00:31:03,840 --> 00:31:06,360
Speaker 1: to be playing every single day and being a steady

618
00:31:06,440 --> 00:31:09,360
Speaker 1: role of the reality with him is that he's missed

619
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Speaker 1: almost half of the games he was supposed to play

620
00:31:11,480 --> 00:31:14,960
Speaker 1: the last two years due to injury, and it's just

621
00:31:15,440 --> 00:31:18,920
Speaker 1: you can't really count on him being there every single day,

622
00:31:19,200 --> 00:31:22,760
Speaker 1: and that signing Sigura, initially it seems that they'll slot

623
00:31:22,840 --> 00:31:25,520
Speaker 1: him in at third base. I think another big factor

624
00:31:25,600 --> 00:31:29,080
Speaker 1: in signing him is as being Jazz insurance in case

625
00:31:29,160 --> 00:31:31,960
Speaker 1: Jazz gets hurt again and you're out of your everyday

626
00:31:32,000 --> 00:31:35,120
Speaker 1: second baseman. Sigura has played second base every single day

627
00:31:35,160 --> 00:31:38,479
Speaker 1: for what the last three years, with the exception of

628
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Speaker 1: that brief experiments at third and twenty twenty, he's a

629
00:31:43,280 --> 00:31:46,080
Speaker 1: very experienced second baseman. He was playing it as well

630
00:31:46,080 --> 00:31:49,840
Speaker 1: as ever towards the postseason this past year. That in

631
00:31:50,200 --> 00:31:53,440
Speaker 1: anticipation of Jazz missing time the way that unfortunately he

632
00:31:53,520 --> 00:31:56,400
Speaker 1: has the previous two years. This gives them a better

633
00:31:56,480 --> 00:31:59,080
Speaker 1: backup play at that position than they've ever had before,

634
00:31:59,320 --> 00:32:02,320
Speaker 1: and that movesund If you have Secura playing second, then

635
00:32:02,360 --> 00:32:05,640
Speaker 1: maybe Jordan Grossens gets a look in the majors. They

636
00:32:05,800 --> 00:32:08,400
Speaker 1: invested quite a bit to acquire Grossians in the first place,

637
00:32:08,680 --> 00:32:11,440
Speaker 1: or maybe it means Joey Wendell, assuming he's still arounds,

638
00:32:11,560 --> 00:32:15,240
Speaker 1: that he plays more consistently at that position. I think

639
00:32:15,280 --> 00:32:17,440
Speaker 1: that's a big factor in why they made this deal,

640
00:32:18,160 --> 00:32:19,840
Speaker 1: knowing that the one who will be an improved team

641
00:32:19,840 --> 00:32:21,960
Speaker 1: this year compared to last year, and one of the

642
00:32:21,960 --> 00:32:24,400
Speaker 1: differences compared to last year is that you need to

643
00:32:24,440 --> 00:32:29,760
Speaker 1: have better a deeper group of competent hitters, and Sigura

644
00:32:29,840 --> 00:32:32,200
Speaker 1: is that he could do it at multiple positions, even

645
00:32:32,240 --> 00:32:35,360
Speaker 1: if it's initially at third base. I don't think enough

646
00:32:35,400 --> 00:32:38,320
Speaker 1: people are mentioning this as something that I think went

647
00:32:38,360 --> 00:32:41,120
Speaker 1: into the idea of signing him in the first places,

648
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Speaker 1: having him being that really high level jazz insurance.

649
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Speaker 3: Yeah, and it's a very apt point because you know,

650
00:32:51,040 --> 00:32:53,920
Speaker 3: best case scenario of both of them are healthy, and

651
00:32:53,960 --> 00:32:57,320
Speaker 3: again we've never seen a full season of jazz beyond

652
00:32:57,400 --> 00:32:58,760
Speaker 3: you know, the one hundred and thirty or so games

653
00:32:58,800 --> 00:33:01,040
Speaker 3: you played in twenty twenty. But again he missed extended ten.

654
00:33:01,080 --> 00:33:04,120
Speaker 3: Then then you can definitely project, you know, the Marlins,

655
00:33:04,120 --> 00:33:06,720
Speaker 3: who are a sixty nine win team last year, to

656
00:33:06,760 --> 00:33:09,840
Speaker 3: be you know, seventy five, seventy six, And if they

657
00:33:09,880 --> 00:33:12,760
Speaker 3: do surprise us ahead of spring training, it's about five

658
00:33:12,840 --> 00:33:15,120
Speaker 3: or so weeks before pictures and catchers, you know, we

659
00:33:15,200 --> 00:33:18,000
Speaker 3: could be looking at an outside chance at eighty wins. Again,

660
00:33:18,040 --> 00:33:20,040
Speaker 3: I don't want to forecast anything yet. I think we

661
00:33:20,040 --> 00:33:24,720
Speaker 3: should save predictions as more as things develop. You know,

662
00:33:26,160 --> 00:33:27,720
Speaker 3: but you know, you mentioned a guy, and I think

663
00:33:27,760 --> 00:33:32,280
Speaker 3: that's a good transition for us to go from Shigura

664
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Speaker 3: to the likes of Joey Wendel. And that's a name

665
00:33:35,200 --> 00:33:38,520
Speaker 3: that's been mentioned recently in trade talks because, as has

666
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Speaker 3: been reported by the LIKESA Ken Rosenthal, the Marlins have

667
00:33:43,400 --> 00:33:45,360
Speaker 3: been in conversation with the Red Sox, who did just

668
00:33:45,440 --> 00:33:48,880
Speaker 3: extend their third base in long term Rothiel Devers believe

669
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Speaker 3: it was eleven years, three hundred and thirty one million

670
00:33:50,920 --> 00:33:56,280
Speaker 3: dollars a year. Discussion Fortressyntassis and we had had a

671
00:33:56,280 --> 00:33:57,760
Speaker 3: lot of back and forth about this, all of us

672
00:33:57,840 --> 00:34:01,880
Speaker 3: did the fact that once a Devers was locked up,

673
00:34:02,480 --> 00:34:05,080
Speaker 3: that it would maybe know the idea of the possibility

674
00:34:05,120 --> 00:34:07,640
Speaker 3: of the Marlins trading for castes, given the fact that

675
00:34:08,160 --> 00:34:11,400
Speaker 3: obviously if you invest that much in a player. Besides,

676
00:34:11,840 --> 00:34:13,400
Speaker 3: you know, and we even saw the Marlins do this

677
00:34:13,400 --> 00:34:15,560
Speaker 3: when they extended stand and then they proceeded to lock

678
00:34:15,640 --> 00:34:18,040
Speaker 3: up Yelich, and you know, they had a bursioning corps

679
00:34:18,040 --> 00:34:20,360
Speaker 3: of guys before. You know, a lot of things transpired

680
00:34:20,400 --> 00:34:24,080
Speaker 3: that we won't touch on here that appears a commitment

681
00:34:24,120 --> 00:34:26,399
Speaker 3: to winning. And they made multiple moves of off season

682
00:34:26,440 --> 00:34:29,080
Speaker 3: to address their team. Obviously, they addressed the Bulktim Janssen,

683
00:34:29,480 --> 00:34:31,840
Speaker 3: They signed Klueber to be in the rotation to replace

684
00:34:31,880 --> 00:34:36,319
Speaker 3: Michael Wako. Effectively, they said, justin Turner, you know, the

685
00:34:36,360 --> 00:34:39,080
Speaker 3: Marlins need a first basement. It's no question Garret Cooper,

686
00:34:39,120 --> 00:34:41,719
Speaker 3: while on the field, is a fine hitter. We know

687
00:34:42,000 --> 00:34:46,640
Speaker 3: that you know, he's not durable and a guy that

688
00:34:46,680 --> 00:34:49,399
Speaker 3: I wrote about previously. Have piece on fishtripes talking about

689
00:34:49,400 --> 00:34:54,719
Speaker 3: trading pitching for position players. But in recent talk in

690
00:34:54,800 --> 00:34:57,560
Speaker 3: recent days, we've seen that the likes of mcaut Rojas,

691
00:34:57,600 --> 00:35:00,440
Speaker 3: the team's long time shortstop, and Joey went Ndell, who

692
00:35:00,440 --> 00:35:05,440
Speaker 3: they acquired last season, they have been talked about as

693
00:35:05,560 --> 00:35:11,280
Speaker 3: names that could possibly be pieces in a potential Casts trade. Now, Eli, Danny,

694
00:35:11,280 --> 00:35:15,520
Speaker 3: I want your takes on this. Do you think I mean, obviously,

695
00:35:15,560 --> 00:35:17,719
Speaker 3: we know the profile that Wendell brings. He's an above

696
00:35:17,760 --> 00:35:21,440
Speaker 3: average defender at both second and third base. He you know,

697
00:35:21,719 --> 00:35:24,640
Speaker 3: de facto third basement if they don't sign Segura, I think,

698
00:35:24,760 --> 00:35:27,759
Speaker 3: especially now given that Charles Leablanc was dfad to make

699
00:35:27,840 --> 00:35:30,799
Speaker 3: room for Segura. We'll see how that kind of transpires

700
00:35:30,920 --> 00:35:33,560
Speaker 3: later this week when we found out whether he's traded

701
00:35:33,680 --> 00:35:38,000
Speaker 3: or he clears waivers. Do you think that Wendell is

702
00:35:38,000 --> 00:35:40,319
Speaker 3: obviously do you think he's an upgrade over the likes

703
00:35:40,320 --> 00:35:42,880
Speaker 3: of Saint Christian Arroyo. They have TJ Hernandez who's an

704
00:35:42,880 --> 00:35:45,560
Speaker 3: out primarily their center fielder, but we saw with the

705
00:35:45,600 --> 00:35:48,000
Speaker 3: time in La can move around to him play pretty

706
00:35:48,080 --> 00:35:52,640
Speaker 3: much all over the field. Of those two, who would

707
00:35:52,680 --> 00:35:54,960
Speaker 3: you be most okay parting with and who do you

708
00:35:55,000 --> 00:35:57,080
Speaker 3: think is the better player? I think to deal from

709
00:35:57,120 --> 00:36:03,400
Speaker 3: between Rojas and and Wendel in the event that we

710
00:36:03,440 --> 00:36:05,600
Speaker 3: could maybe acquire the likes of a casts who would

711
00:36:05,640 --> 00:36:08,359
Speaker 3: definitely be an upgrade, though his experience at the big

712
00:36:08,560 --> 00:36:09,560
Speaker 3: level is limited for sure.

713
00:36:10,880 --> 00:36:14,000
Speaker 1: I mean to me, I think on both counts, it

714
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Speaker 1: would have to be Wendell as the one that is

715
00:36:16,280 --> 00:36:20,320
Speaker 1: more tradable and is a little bit more difficult to replace,

716
00:36:21,000 --> 00:36:23,600
Speaker 1: just because of the level of defense that Rojas played

717
00:36:23,680 --> 00:36:25,920
Speaker 1: last year at shortstop. It wasn't just good defense, it

718
00:36:26,040 --> 00:36:30,080
Speaker 1: was arguably as good as anybody in the sport. Both

719
00:36:30,120 --> 00:36:33,279
Speaker 1: guys for anybody that's unclear, they're on the same contract

720
00:36:33,280 --> 00:36:35,160
Speaker 1: sual status. Both of them are going to be free

721
00:36:35,160 --> 00:36:38,160
Speaker 1: agents after next year, and their salaries are almost identical

722
00:36:38,200 --> 00:36:42,040
Speaker 1: to Rojas making five million. Wendellibly determined in arbitration, let's

723
00:36:42,040 --> 00:36:45,800
Speaker 1: expected to be right around five million as well for him.

724
00:36:46,640 --> 00:36:50,560
Speaker 1: And with Rojas, yeah, it's a little bit difficult because

725
00:36:51,120 --> 00:36:53,920
Speaker 1: with him certainly under mattingly, it felt like he had

726
00:36:53,960 --> 00:36:56,879
Speaker 1: a certain he brought certain intangibles to the table as

727
00:36:56,880 --> 00:36:59,160
Speaker 1: someone that's been here for a long long time, and

728
00:36:59,160 --> 00:37:01,359
Speaker 1: now that so many of the pe have changed around him,

729
00:37:01,440 --> 00:37:04,880
Speaker 1: you like wonder exactly how much authority he carries in

730
00:37:04,960 --> 00:37:07,640
Speaker 1: that clubhouse and how much people really listen to him.

731
00:37:07,920 --> 00:37:11,880
Speaker 1: With all due respect. That being said, you know that

732
00:37:12,000 --> 00:37:15,320
Speaker 1: defense is just really difficult to replace. And I felt

733
00:37:15,560 --> 00:37:17,799
Speaker 1: what I don't think was harped on enough is that

734
00:37:17,840 --> 00:37:20,680
Speaker 1: he played through a very painful wrist injury for the

735
00:37:20,840 --> 00:37:23,920
Speaker 1: entire second half of last year. So I feel that

736
00:37:24,000 --> 00:37:27,000
Speaker 1: those results that he had offensively aren't totally indicative of

737
00:37:27,040 --> 00:37:29,200
Speaker 1: who he is right now. But he's a guy that

738
00:37:29,320 --> 00:37:33,200
Speaker 1: despite really hideous like batted ball metrics, he gets a

739
00:37:33,280 --> 00:37:35,920
Speaker 1: job done historically when he's healthy. Like, he's somebody that

740
00:37:36,200 --> 00:37:39,239
Speaker 1: does hit for a moderate amount of average and just

741
00:37:39,440 --> 00:37:43,800
Speaker 1: enough doubles power to like get him within striking distance

742
00:37:43,800 --> 00:37:46,239
Speaker 1: of being league averaged by shortstop standards. And there's a

743
00:37:46,239 --> 00:37:48,560
Speaker 1: lot of value in that. He's already shown in the

744
00:37:48,560 --> 00:37:50,839
Speaker 1: past that even as a pending free agent, like he's

745
00:37:50,840 --> 00:37:53,879
Speaker 1: willing to extend his deal with this team as long

746
00:37:53,920 --> 00:37:58,240
Speaker 1: as he really puts a premium on being in Miami

747
00:37:58,320 --> 00:38:01,840
Speaker 1: and then having that continuity in there, and as I

748
00:38:01,880 --> 00:38:03,840
Speaker 1: brought up with Segura, you know, there's just a little

749
00:38:03,840 --> 00:38:10,640
Speaker 1: bit of what should I say, redundancy between Wendell and Segura.

750
00:38:11,560 --> 00:38:14,279
Speaker 1: I mean, on ideally, on a certain a team of

751
00:38:14,320 --> 00:38:17,279
Speaker 1: a certain payroll level, you'd like to keep them all.

752
00:38:17,800 --> 00:38:20,000
Speaker 1: They really shouldn't be there's not a necessity to get

753
00:38:20,080 --> 00:38:22,080
Speaker 1: rid of any of these guys, but you could, like

754
00:38:22,200 --> 00:38:24,799
Speaker 1: just see how this has been building up with what

755
00:38:24,880 --> 00:38:27,480
Speaker 1: they gave up to get Jordan Grossen's and then on

756
00:38:27,520 --> 00:38:28,799
Speaker 1: a smaller scale, what they gave up.

757
00:38:28,760 --> 00:38:30,080
Speaker 3: To get Xavier Edwards.

758
00:38:30,120 --> 00:38:31,960
Speaker 1: These are both players that don't have a whole lot

759
00:38:32,040 --> 00:38:34,560
Speaker 1: to learn in the minors anymore, and they both play

760
00:38:34,640 --> 00:38:38,160
Speaker 1: several infield positions. It feels like they made those acquisitions

761
00:38:38,200 --> 00:38:40,759
Speaker 1: with the mind that one of them, at least, if

762
00:38:40,800 --> 00:38:43,360
Speaker 1: not both of them, are gonna have significant roles in

763
00:38:43,400 --> 00:38:46,040
Speaker 1: the majors this coming year. So when you still have

764
00:38:46,080 --> 00:38:49,879
Speaker 1: a full year of control over Wendell and Rojas, both

765
00:38:49,920 --> 00:38:53,560
Speaker 1: of them still have some not significant but they have

766
00:38:53,640 --> 00:38:58,960
Speaker 1: some positive trade value and just anticipating I anticipate one

767
00:38:59,000 --> 00:39:01,160
Speaker 1: of them getting traded because this is the way the

768
00:39:01,160 --> 00:39:03,080
Speaker 1: team is run. You know, when players are coming up

769
00:39:03,120 --> 00:39:05,759
Speaker 1: on free agency. They'd rather get something in return than

770
00:39:05,840 --> 00:39:11,840
Speaker 1: have them walk for nothing. I ideally, I've mentioned this

771
00:39:11,920 --> 00:39:14,680
Speaker 1: idea several times, probably over the last calendar year. I

772
00:39:14,680 --> 00:39:17,839
Speaker 1: love the idea of Wendell and Rojas platooning at shortstop.

773
00:39:18,280 --> 00:39:20,960
Speaker 1: Rojas historically, prior to last year, he was great at

774
00:39:21,040 --> 00:39:23,920
Speaker 1: hitting lefties, and Wen's little kind of the opposite where

775
00:39:23,960 --> 00:39:27,719
Speaker 1: he's much better at hitting righties. And I mean both

776
00:39:27,719 --> 00:39:30,120
Speaker 1: of them are solid at shortstop, with Rojas beetting better

777
00:39:30,120 --> 00:39:32,319
Speaker 1: than solid. I'd love for them to just platoon there,

778
00:39:32,640 --> 00:39:35,879
Speaker 1: have Cigara third of Jazz az seconds, figure something out

779
00:39:35,880 --> 00:39:38,440
Speaker 1: at first base, potentially add something as we're going to

780
00:39:38,480 --> 00:39:41,240
Speaker 1: get into add something at first base, an additional cooper.

781
00:39:42,360 --> 00:39:44,000
Speaker 1: I wish it was that easy. It feels like it

782
00:39:44,040 --> 00:39:46,799
Speaker 1: should be that easy, as long as the a team

783
00:39:46,840 --> 00:39:49,200
Speaker 1: that's willing to spend to a certain level to plug

784
00:39:49,239 --> 00:39:52,160
Speaker 1: gaps on the roster. And to this point, you know,

785
00:39:52,160 --> 00:39:54,600
Speaker 1: the Marlins have just stopped a little short of that

786
00:39:54,640 --> 00:39:58,200
Speaker 1: of spending what takes to build a complete roster. So

787
00:39:58,280 --> 00:40:01,680
Speaker 1: I feel like they can co exist, Rojas and Wendell

788
00:40:01,760 --> 00:40:06,640
Speaker 1: along with Sigura. I get the feeling that Wendell could

789
00:40:06,719 --> 00:40:09,120
Speaker 1: be traded to a team like the Red Sox. He

790
00:40:09,200 --> 00:40:13,040
Speaker 1: is valued to a lot of other teams, probably more

791
00:40:13,120 --> 00:40:15,760
Speaker 1: value than he has with the Marlins at this particular moment.

792
00:40:17,040 --> 00:40:19,560
Speaker 4: Yeah, and speaking of the Red Sox, the player in

793
00:40:19,680 --> 00:40:23,200
Speaker 4: mind from Miami that has been talked about is Tristan Gasas.

794
00:40:23,280 --> 00:40:27,600
Speaker 4: First basement with the Red Sox from Miami, born in Miami,

795
00:40:27,640 --> 00:40:30,319
Speaker 4: went to American heritage. And you're looking at some of

796
00:40:30,320 --> 00:40:33,880
Speaker 4: his stats. It might not be eye popping, but the

797
00:40:33,920 --> 00:40:35,640
Speaker 4: one thing that really stands out to me. You look

798
00:40:35,640 --> 00:40:37,960
Speaker 4: at his batting average ninety seven, but then you look

799
00:40:38,000 --> 00:40:41,920
Speaker 4: at his ops seven sixty six ops plus of one

800
00:40:42,080 --> 00:40:45,320
Speaker 4: thirteen lewis what is there to really look at Tristan

801
00:40:45,320 --> 00:40:47,040
Speaker 4: Gasas When you look at these stats, he has a

802
00:40:47,040 --> 00:40:50,120
Speaker 4: batting average under two hundred, but his ops and ops

803
00:40:50,120 --> 00:40:53,399
Speaker 4: plus puts him above average in terms of a major

804
00:40:53,440 --> 00:40:58,360
Speaker 4: league hitter despite only less than eighty played appearances last season.

805
00:40:58,840 --> 00:41:01,000
Speaker 3: Well, yeah, I believe it was ninety five play appearances

806
00:41:01,000 --> 00:41:03,200
Speaker 3: that he had in the big leagues. But again, you know,

807
00:41:03,800 --> 00:41:06,600
Speaker 3: it's the it's the it's the eye. And Eli touched

808
00:41:06,600 --> 00:41:09,200
Speaker 3: on this. I believe in the last Fish Stripes Live

809
00:41:09,239 --> 00:41:11,239
Speaker 3: that he you guys did when you were discussing the

810
00:41:11,280 --> 00:41:14,920
Speaker 3: Cigara signing. Initially, Casses, you know, it was ninety five

811
00:41:14,920 --> 00:41:18,400
Speaker 3: plate appearances. We can't go crazy about, you know, a

812
00:41:18,440 --> 00:41:22,040
Speaker 3: player after ninety five played appearances. You know, people were

813
00:41:22,040 --> 00:41:25,120
Speaker 3: going crazy about Gary Sanchez after thirty eight games or

814
00:41:25,120 --> 00:41:28,319
Speaker 3: something or fifty plus games with the Yankees, and you

815
00:41:28,320 --> 00:41:30,879
Speaker 3: know that's a larger sample, and he turned out to

816
00:41:30,920 --> 00:41:33,280
Speaker 3: be a not a bus but he wasn't the player

817
00:41:33,280 --> 00:41:36,600
Speaker 3: that they expected. Casses just had. You know, he walked

818
00:41:36,640 --> 00:41:38,760
Speaker 3: twenty percent of the time, though, if we can embellish

819
00:41:38,840 --> 00:41:41,840
Speaker 3: on that a little bit, and I believe you know, Eli,

820
00:41:41,840 --> 00:41:43,560
Speaker 3: I think you mentioned this too, a near one to

821
00:41:43,600 --> 00:41:45,960
Speaker 3: one strike out the walk ratio in his time with

822
00:41:46,040 --> 00:41:48,200
Speaker 3: the Red Sox. You know he did. You know, he

823
00:41:48,280 --> 00:41:51,480
Speaker 3: struggled initially, but at the end he was putting together

824
00:41:51,480 --> 00:41:53,799
Speaker 3: great at bats. You know, he hit for a little

825
00:41:53,800 --> 00:41:57,279
Speaker 3: bit of power. Yeah, he's just a guy that you know,

826
00:41:57,880 --> 00:42:00,600
Speaker 3: he and even what he's done in the the Dominican

827
00:42:00,640 --> 00:42:02,320
Speaker 3: Winter League, like he may have only been hitting like

828
00:42:02,320 --> 00:42:04,440
Speaker 3: two twenty, but he's walking a lot. And it's a

829
00:42:04,480 --> 00:42:07,960
Speaker 3: small samples three games, but that track record goes all

830
00:42:07,960 --> 00:42:10,239
Speaker 3: the way back to the minor leagues. He you know,

831
00:42:10,680 --> 00:42:13,480
Speaker 3: career three seventy four OVP doing it with you know,

832
00:42:13,640 --> 00:42:17,800
Speaker 3: plus power. You're not gonna get much by way of defense.

833
00:42:17,840 --> 00:42:19,760
Speaker 3: I mean, he's a first baseman. And I think Eli

834
00:42:19,800 --> 00:42:23,480
Speaker 3: you said too on the stream, the initial Cigara stream.

835
00:42:23,880 --> 00:42:26,520
Speaker 3: He you know, he's pretty much just a first baseman

836
00:42:26,560 --> 00:42:29,160
Speaker 3: and nothing else. He's never I believe he had played

837
00:42:29,160 --> 00:42:32,560
Speaker 3: third base a little bit in high school, and I

838
00:42:32,560 --> 00:42:34,640
Speaker 3: think that was a position that people thought he could

839
00:42:34,640 --> 00:42:36,879
Speaker 3: have played in the minor leagues. But you know, he's

840
00:42:36,920 --> 00:42:39,440
Speaker 3: obviously pretty big for his uh, his age, and he's

841
00:42:39,440 --> 00:42:42,759
Speaker 3: gonna be twenty three or be twenty four. Yeah, we

842
00:42:42,800 --> 00:42:47,000
Speaker 3: don't know. We don't see him, you know, possessing anything

843
00:42:47,040 --> 00:42:50,200
Speaker 3: beyond being a first base the age type. But the

844
00:42:50,280 --> 00:42:53,439
Speaker 3: thing is it's he you know you could, and that

845
00:42:53,880 --> 00:42:56,160
Speaker 3: makes you know, for some people who just aren't aware

846
00:42:56,200 --> 00:42:57,879
Speaker 3: of age, you know, are just gonna say, like, don't

847
00:42:57,880 --> 00:43:00,479
Speaker 3: you already have that type in Garret Cooper and yes,

848
00:43:00,680 --> 00:43:03,200
Speaker 3: but the difference is age. Obviously, you know, the older

849
00:43:03,239 --> 00:43:06,879
Speaker 3: you get, you know, obviously you know your bat's your

850
00:43:06,880 --> 00:43:09,080
Speaker 3: eye slows down, so the bat speed inherently is going

851
00:43:09,120 --> 00:43:14,400
Speaker 3: to slow down. You want the youth in your lineup, though,

852
00:43:14,880 --> 00:43:17,560
Speaker 3: I think if you trade the likes of Wendell, who,

853
00:43:17,680 --> 00:43:20,880
Speaker 3: as Eli noted, and if you were to peruce fielding bibble,

854
00:43:20,920 --> 00:43:24,080
Speaker 3: you'd see is a terrific defender at multiple infield positions.

855
00:43:24,480 --> 00:43:27,040
Speaker 3: I think even your trade real hush too, You're definitely

856
00:43:27,080 --> 00:43:30,440
Speaker 3: gonna sacrifice some defense for offense. It's maybe like a

857
00:43:30,520 --> 00:43:35,400
Speaker 3: Philadelphia Phillies esque kind of move, but consider it like

858
00:43:35,640 --> 00:43:38,680
Speaker 3: Alec Bohm with much better play discipline, and that he's

859
00:43:38,800 --> 00:43:42,920
Speaker 3: not a great defender now, but he's gonna hit to

860
00:43:42,960 --> 00:43:45,480
Speaker 3: the point where that may almost not even matter to you.

861
00:43:45,560 --> 00:43:48,239
Speaker 3: Like Pete Alonzo isn't a great defensive first baseman, but

862
00:43:49,080 --> 00:43:51,319
Speaker 3: nobody's going to talk about Pete Alonzo and the first

863
00:43:51,320 --> 00:43:53,120
Speaker 3: thing they're going to talk about as Wow, this guy

864
00:43:53,200 --> 00:43:55,640
Speaker 3: is a terrific defender. You're going to talk about the

865
00:43:55,680 --> 00:43:59,439
Speaker 3: fact that he has consistent forty homer prowess and whether

866
00:43:59,560 --> 00:44:03,080
Speaker 3: or not has achieved that he doesn't necessarily need to,

867
00:44:03,239 --> 00:44:06,600
Speaker 3: which just he does enough as far as controlling the

868
00:44:06,600 --> 00:44:09,800
Speaker 3: strike zone and getting on base that he can mitigate

869
00:44:10,280 --> 00:44:12,879
Speaker 3: some of his deficiencies in his game. And again that's

870
00:44:12,920 --> 00:44:15,000
Speaker 3: something that the Marlins needs they don't. I believe they

871
00:44:15,000 --> 00:44:17,600
Speaker 3: were like twenty fifth and collective team on base percentage

872
00:44:17,600 --> 00:44:20,439
Speaker 3: this year, so not good. You immediately plug a guy

873
00:44:20,440 --> 00:44:22,279
Speaker 3: like that into your lineup, though, like I said, you

874
00:44:22,280 --> 00:44:25,640
Speaker 3: would be foregoing some defense, and that could in turn

875
00:44:25,719 --> 00:44:29,920
Speaker 3: maybe slightly affect the way your pitchers perform. Although it

876
00:44:30,000 --> 00:44:33,279
Speaker 3: may be minischool, but I don't want to deserve it

877
00:44:33,400 --> 00:44:36,239
Speaker 3: do a disservice to advance defensive metrics, because I do

878
00:44:36,239 --> 00:44:39,000
Speaker 3: think they're important, but you would sacrifice a little bit

879
00:44:39,000 --> 00:44:40,480
Speaker 3: of that to get this kind of bat in your

880
00:44:40,520 --> 00:44:41,839
Speaker 3: line up. But again, I think it's a risk worth

881
00:44:41,880 --> 00:44:43,960
Speaker 3: taking given what he can do for you in the

882
00:44:44,000 --> 00:44:44,680
Speaker 3: batter's box.

883
00:44:45,760 --> 00:44:47,879
Speaker 1: Well, I think it is a risk worth taking. From

884
00:44:47,880 --> 00:44:49,440
Speaker 1: the Marlins, I'm not going to go too much into

885
00:44:49,520 --> 00:44:52,960
Speaker 1: casas because I think what some people have glossed over

886
00:44:53,040 --> 00:44:55,840
Speaker 1: is that there's not mutual interest in having a costas

887
00:44:55,880 --> 00:44:58,040
Speaker 1: trade come together. The Red Socks are not going to

888
00:44:58,080 --> 00:44:59,920
Speaker 1: trade for some causes right now. They've just been a

889
00:45:00,280 --> 00:45:03,000
Speaker 1: last place in their division. If you look at it

890
00:45:03,120 --> 00:45:06,320
Speaker 1: right now, how the team projects currently, they could finish

891
00:45:06,440 --> 00:45:10,080
Speaker 1: last place again in their division in twenty twenty three.

892
00:45:10,160 --> 00:45:12,000
Speaker 1: They're not going to trade away a guy who is,

893
00:45:12,680 --> 00:45:15,520
Speaker 1: by most people's account their number one prospect and who

894
00:45:15,560 --> 00:45:18,080
Speaker 1: still has the most desirable aspect with him is that

895
00:45:18,120 --> 00:45:20,680
Speaker 1: he sells all of his years of control, romanding six

896
00:45:20,760 --> 00:45:24,040
Speaker 1: years of club control minor league options if something goes wrong,

897
00:45:24,280 --> 00:45:27,240
Speaker 1: he I think he's gonna only just now turn twenty

898
00:45:27,280 --> 00:45:30,600
Speaker 1: three years old. From the Red Sox. They're a team

899
00:45:30,640 --> 00:45:33,440
Speaker 1: that spy being in a big market, they're not always

900
00:45:33,440 --> 00:45:37,000
Speaker 1: in win now mode, and with the Devers extension, just

901
00:45:37,040 --> 00:45:39,840
Speaker 1: going back to that, that really took off the pressure

902
00:45:40,080 --> 00:45:43,520
Speaker 1: for them to try to win right now. I don't

903
00:45:43,520 --> 00:45:45,600
Speaker 1: think they're going to involve him in a type of

904
00:45:45,640 --> 00:45:48,959
Speaker 1: deal just to bring in one of the Marlins non

905
00:45:49,080 --> 00:45:52,239
Speaker 1: Sandy starting pitchers. But what I think this does tell

906
00:45:52,320 --> 00:45:55,600
Speaker 1: us in what this whole Marlins offseason has told us,

907
00:45:56,000 --> 00:45:58,920
Speaker 1: they have not been shy about inquiring about first basement,

908
00:45:59,040 --> 00:46:02,200
Speaker 1: whether it's be a free agency over the trade, despite

909
00:46:02,239 --> 00:46:05,320
Speaker 1: having all Star I'm putting air quotes all Star Garrett

910
00:46:05,320 --> 00:46:08,239
Speaker 1: Cooper saw at first base. Right now, they're clearly not

911
00:46:08,280 --> 00:46:12,000
Speaker 1: satisfied with him as the long term, everyday solution and

912
00:46:12,239 --> 00:46:14,759
Speaker 1: heading into what's going to be his final year of

913
00:46:14,800 --> 00:46:17,600
Speaker 1: club control at this age, in the offseason. There's still

914
00:46:17,640 --> 00:46:19,400
Speaker 1: some first basement out there. I think you covered that

915
00:46:19,520 --> 00:46:21,600
Speaker 1: on a previous version of Physiology, that there's still some

916
00:46:21,640 --> 00:46:23,560
Speaker 1: free agents out there at first base they could sign.

917
00:46:24,040 --> 00:46:26,760
Speaker 1: If not, there's the trade route and what the costas

918
00:46:26,840 --> 00:46:30,399
Speaker 1: rumor tells me, is that we should have our eye

919
00:46:30,480 --> 00:46:34,400
Speaker 1: on potentially other first basement trade candidates that have multiple

920
00:46:34,520 --> 00:46:37,600
Speaker 1: years of control. I just jotted down a few that

921
00:46:37,719 --> 00:46:40,040
Speaker 1: even though this is the latest rumor, let's not have

922
00:46:40,120 --> 00:46:42,640
Speaker 1: short memories. You know, there was a rumor maybe a

923
00:46:42,680 --> 00:46:46,640
Speaker 1: month ago about the Twins being willing to trade Luis Arise,

924
00:46:46,880 --> 00:46:49,000
Speaker 1: who plays first base as well as several other positions,

925
00:46:49,040 --> 00:46:52,040
Speaker 1: in order to get pitching. I don't it's not like

926
00:46:52,120 --> 00:46:54,480
Speaker 1: that is going to be completely dead. I don't think

927
00:46:54,480 --> 00:46:57,440
Speaker 1: so this Wins still need pitching, and the Marlins are still,

928
00:46:57,560 --> 00:47:01,760
Speaker 1: as this rumor suggests, still interest in first whether it's Arrives,

929
00:47:01,880 --> 00:47:04,800
Speaker 1: whether it's Alex Kiroloff, who used to be an outfield

930
00:47:04,800 --> 00:47:07,160
Speaker 1: prospect who has learned first base along the way and

931
00:47:07,440 --> 00:47:10,560
Speaker 1: like Kasa, still has I think five I think in

932
00:47:10,560 --> 00:47:13,960
Speaker 1: his case it's five years of control remaining. That's another

933
00:47:14,000 --> 00:47:18,800
Speaker 1: guy where you could acquire him without necessarily putting together

934
00:47:18,840 --> 00:47:22,920
Speaker 1: a huge package. He'd be more attainable because he's not

935
00:47:23,400 --> 00:47:26,680
Speaker 1: quite all checks every box the way that Casas does.

936
00:47:27,800 --> 00:47:30,640
Speaker 1: Who else on the same vein, I think probably the

937
00:47:30,640 --> 00:47:34,400
Speaker 1: one that seems most realistic to me is Seth Brown

938
00:47:34,800 --> 00:47:38,200
Speaker 1: of the Oakland A's a lot of first base this

939
00:47:38,239 --> 00:47:42,560
Speaker 1: past season. Naturally an outfielder, but the A's are anything

940
00:47:42,560 --> 00:47:45,640
Speaker 1: that's nailed to the floor. They're willing to trade, especially

941
00:47:45,640 --> 00:47:48,120
Speaker 1: when it comes to veterans, and he spent being thirty

942
00:47:48,200 --> 00:47:50,160
Speaker 1: years old. He still has four years of the club

943
00:47:50,200 --> 00:47:53,160
Speaker 1: control remaining. He still has a nice balance of power

944
00:47:53,280 --> 00:47:56,000
Speaker 1: and plate discipline. He might not be a true every

945
00:47:56,040 --> 00:47:58,400
Speaker 1: day hitter, but he is a lefty bat and that

946
00:47:58,480 --> 00:48:01,680
Speaker 1: seems to be something that they're prioritizing, if at all

947
00:48:01,719 --> 00:48:04,880
Speaker 1: possible in these kind of deals. That's my big takeaway

948
00:48:04,920 --> 00:48:08,120
Speaker 1: from this rumor. Kassas is the pipe dream. Kasas is

949
00:48:08,160 --> 00:48:11,000
Speaker 1: the name coming up from the Marlin side. I don't

950
00:48:11,040 --> 00:48:13,600
Speaker 1: think he's attainable right now, but I think it does

951
00:48:13,800 --> 00:48:17,160
Speaker 1: reinforce this idea that one of the final moves we

952
00:48:17,160 --> 00:48:20,600
Speaker 1: could see this offseason. I mean, the hope is that

953
00:48:20,640 --> 00:48:24,520
Speaker 1: they find an everyday center fielder. I think what's going

954
00:48:24,560 --> 00:48:28,600
Speaker 1: to be more attainable is in everyday first baseman type

955
00:48:28,800 --> 00:48:30,920
Speaker 1: or something close to it. And I think that's very

956
00:48:31,000 --> 00:48:32,919
Speaker 1: much top of mind with this front office is trying

957
00:48:32,960 --> 00:48:36,160
Speaker 1: to address that position and somewhat for this coming year,

958
00:48:36,200 --> 00:48:39,920
Speaker 1: but especially for twenty twenty four and beyond.

959
00:48:40,840 --> 00:48:45,600
Speaker 4: Yeah, if any final thoughts, Eli Lewis either about Sigura,

960
00:48:45,800 --> 00:48:50,760
Speaker 4: Gosas Wendel Rojas before we go, are you guys ready

961
00:48:50,800 --> 00:48:53,880
Speaker 4: to just you guys over already talking about it for

962
00:48:53,920 --> 00:48:54,680
Speaker 4: this episode?

963
00:48:55,120 --> 00:48:57,160
Speaker 3: Well, I mean there's a name I can throw out

964
00:48:57,280 --> 00:49:00,200
Speaker 3: that me Andi like tease before the show. Have a

965
00:49:00,200 --> 00:49:02,880
Speaker 3: piece coming on on fits Stripes later this week about

966
00:49:03,600 --> 00:49:05,840
Speaker 3: kind of guys that the Marlins could possibly take a

967
00:49:05,880 --> 00:49:09,000
Speaker 3: flyer on. A guy who has first place experience though

968
00:49:09,000 --> 00:49:12,360
Speaker 3: he primarily played left field for the Padres, was Jerks

969
00:49:12,360 --> 00:49:15,000
Speaker 3: and Profar. We know he's naturally an infielder, but he

970
00:49:15,000 --> 00:49:19,399
Speaker 3: presents a degree of positional versatility. He likes Segura has

971
00:49:19,520 --> 00:49:23,319
Speaker 3: a better balance than Sigura of plate discipline and the

972
00:49:23,360 --> 00:49:26,319
Speaker 3: ability to not strike out. I believe Profar struck out

973
00:49:26,400 --> 00:49:28,319
Speaker 3: less than sixteen percent of the time, and he walked

974
00:49:28,360 --> 00:49:31,120
Speaker 3: out of an eleven percent clip and he was an

975
00:49:31,120 --> 00:49:33,359
Speaker 3: above and we saw he was an above average hitter

976
00:49:33,360 --> 00:49:37,400
Speaker 3: in San Diego last season despite only hitting fifteen home runs,

977
00:49:37,680 --> 00:49:40,920
Speaker 3: So that maybe gives you some confidence that he may

978
00:49:40,960 --> 00:49:43,800
Speaker 3: translate well and he could be an option there. Cooper

979
00:49:43,840 --> 00:49:46,040
Speaker 3: doesn't have to play every day. It could also allow

980
00:49:46,120 --> 00:49:50,319
Speaker 3: so Layer time to DH more often. So I think

981
00:49:50,320 --> 00:49:52,560
Speaker 3: that may be an option. And I in the piece

982
00:49:52,600 --> 00:49:54,520
Speaker 3: that I'm writing, I'll pre I'll preface by saying that

983
00:49:54,560 --> 00:49:57,000
Speaker 3: I think it wouldn't take more than maybe what the

984
00:49:57,040 --> 00:50:01,399
Speaker 3: Marlins had offered Brennan jur who another utility guy who

985
00:50:01,400 --> 00:50:04,120
Speaker 3: would later sign with the Angels. I believe Eli had

986
00:50:04,120 --> 00:50:06,520
Speaker 3: reported it was seventeen plus million, and then we had

987
00:50:06,560 --> 00:50:09,080
Speaker 3: a following Barry Jackson piece that came out at the

988
00:50:09,120 --> 00:50:11,760
Speaker 3: Miami Herald. I believe that said it was about nineteen

989
00:50:11,800 --> 00:50:13,640
Speaker 3: offered to him over two years. But that Drew, you know,

990
00:50:13,719 --> 00:50:15,640
Speaker 3: grew up in that area and that he, you know,

991
00:50:15,800 --> 00:50:18,279
Speaker 3: just obviously wanted to play for some time teams, so

992
00:50:18,320 --> 00:50:19,839
Speaker 3: that's kind of why he did what he did. But

993
00:50:19,920 --> 00:50:22,600
Speaker 3: you know what you do when some teams do when

994
00:50:22,600 --> 00:50:25,799
Speaker 3: they don't get a particular player players, they reallocate that

995
00:50:25,840 --> 00:50:28,680
Speaker 3: money to other needs that they need. And you know,

996
00:50:28,760 --> 00:50:31,640
Speaker 3: if we're talking about not obtaining a concess right now

997
00:50:32,120 --> 00:50:34,799
Speaker 3: and you don't want to completely denigrate your defense, then

998
00:50:35,040 --> 00:50:37,759
Speaker 3: get a guy who's got the versatility in Profar to

999
00:50:38,080 --> 00:50:42,120
Speaker 3: maybe be a John Burdie with a better bat.

1000
00:50:42,760 --> 00:50:43,240
Speaker 4: Yeah.

1001
00:50:43,760 --> 00:50:47,959
Speaker 1: Yeah, with Profar. He's a tough one because a million

1002
00:50:48,040 --> 00:50:49,840
Speaker 1: years ago he was like the number one prospect in

1003
00:50:49,880 --> 00:50:53,480
Speaker 1: all of baseball, and at times then the offensive numbers

1004
00:50:53,480 --> 00:50:56,799
Speaker 1: overall have looked good. I mean what concerns me is

1005
00:50:56,800 --> 00:50:59,640
Speaker 1: despite being like relatively young, the speed is kind of

1006
00:50:59,680 --> 00:51:01,759
Speaker 1: going like it's at this point he's not even the

1007
00:51:01,840 --> 00:51:04,759
Speaker 1: fast player anymore. You mentioned John Birdy, but I mean

1008
00:51:04,920 --> 00:51:07,960
Speaker 1: John Burdiy would run laps around pro far at this point,

1009
00:51:08,840 --> 00:51:12,680
Speaker 1: and like I don't. He's somebody that I think a

1010
00:51:12,760 --> 00:51:15,160
Speaker 1: big hope is that he'll benefit with the shifts going away.

1011
00:51:15,280 --> 00:51:17,279
Speaker 1: He's the opposite of Sigura in that respect, and that

1012
00:51:17,320 --> 00:51:18,960
Speaker 1: he was shifted a lot and it took away a

1013
00:51:19,000 --> 00:51:21,480
Speaker 1: lot of hits, and you have your fingers crossed that

1014
00:51:21,520 --> 00:51:23,560
Speaker 1: he's going to find more hits, that his babbit is

1015
00:51:23,560 --> 00:51:26,040
Speaker 1: going to go up in the future. But that's a

1016
00:51:26,040 --> 00:51:28,080
Speaker 1: lot of wish casting to do. If you're going to

1017
00:51:28,080 --> 00:51:32,560
Speaker 1: commit a multi year deal for him. Yeah, there's a

1018
00:51:32,600 --> 00:51:35,920
Speaker 1: whole lot of directions that they could go. And if

1019
00:51:35,960 --> 00:51:38,440
Speaker 1: they are the newest report the diad that we're recording,

1020
00:51:38,480 --> 00:51:40,759
Speaker 1: a new report reinforcing the idea that they're open to

1021
00:51:40,840 --> 00:51:45,200
Speaker 1: trading any of their big league starting pitchers aside from Sandy.

1022
00:51:45,320 --> 00:51:49,839
Speaker 1: If that picture is Pablo, that unloads some salary that

1023
00:51:50,280 --> 00:51:52,480
Speaker 1: they'd be even more willing to spend on a position

1024
00:51:52,560 --> 00:51:57,160
Speaker 1: player than they already are at the moment. This is Yeah,

1025
00:51:57,160 --> 00:51:59,360
Speaker 1: it's going to sound like a broken record, but I

1026
00:51:59,360 --> 00:52:01,600
Speaker 1: don't think they're done yet. Like I do think there

1027
00:52:01,680 --> 00:52:04,040
Speaker 1: is another bet come in one way or the other.

1028
00:52:04,320 --> 00:52:05,799
Speaker 1: So that's kind of the message that I wanted to

1029
00:52:06,000 --> 00:52:08,080
Speaker 1: leave people with, is that they're going to do something

1030
00:52:08,520 --> 00:52:12,239
Speaker 1: to add more offense. Yeah, and hope, we hope that

1031
00:52:12,280 --> 00:52:15,560
Speaker 1: it's multiple things that they do in that respect, but

1032
00:52:15,680 --> 00:52:17,839
Speaker 1: at the very least, they're gonna do one thing that

1033
00:52:18,680 --> 00:52:22,400
Speaker 1: brings them you know, that makes it more realistic to

1034
00:52:22,480 --> 00:52:27,279
Speaker 1: see this being a competent, consistent offense, the opposite of

1035
00:52:27,320 --> 00:52:28,439
Speaker 1: what it was last year.

1036
00:52:29,440 --> 00:52:31,759
Speaker 4: Yeah, So I think I'm going to wrap it up

1037
00:52:31,800 --> 00:52:37,440
Speaker 4: for this episode. Talk to Segura, Gosas Rohaus Wendo first basement,

1038
00:52:37,800 --> 00:52:39,920
Speaker 4: potentially for the Marlin, where we have a lot of

1039
00:52:39,920 --> 00:52:43,120
Speaker 4: great things coming up next week. Stay tuned. A lot

1040
00:52:43,120 --> 00:52:47,560
Speaker 4: of great things streams, me and Noah going on an

1041
00:52:47,560 --> 00:52:50,080
Speaker 4: the venture next Wednesday. You might want to stay tuned

1042
00:52:50,080 --> 00:52:54,440
Speaker 4: for that, but for Phisiology, for Eli, for Lewis, for myself, Daniel,

1043
00:52:54,640 --> 00:53:07,080
Speaker 4: remember always go fish.