1 00:00:00,600 --> 00:00:03,000 Speaker 1: Kf I Am six forty. You're listening to the John 2 00:00:03,000 --> 00:00:09,239 Speaker 1: and Ken Show on demand on the iHeartRadio app ron 3 00:00:09,280 --> 00:00:12,200 Speaker 1: from one till four after four o'clock. You miss stuff. 4 00:00:12,200 --> 00:00:14,920 Speaker 1: You miss stuff every day. Go to the iHeart app 5 00:00:14,920 --> 00:00:17,119 Speaker 1: for the John and Ken on demand podcast. 6 00:00:16,960 --> 00:00:19,120 Speaker 2: And use that app to connect to the Moistline. There's 7 00:00:19,160 --> 00:00:21,720 Speaker 2: openings because of the short week, Monday being the holiday. 8 00:00:22,360 --> 00:00:24,599 Speaker 2: The iHeartRadio app iss a little microphone icon. You can 9 00:00:24,680 --> 00:00:26,920 Speaker 2: leave a message for the Moistline directly there, or call 10 00:00:27,000 --> 00:00:29,320 Speaker 2: the toll free number one eight seven seven Moist eighty 11 00:00:29,360 --> 00:00:33,319 Speaker 2: six one eight seven seven six six four seven eight 12 00:00:33,520 --> 00:00:34,400 Speaker 2: eight six. 13 00:00:35,120 --> 00:00:36,600 Speaker 1: Well, we told you earlier. 14 00:00:36,240 --> 00:00:38,760 Speaker 2: In the show that the number of inmates and state 15 00:00:38,800 --> 00:00:41,880 Speaker 2: prisons in the state of California is down to about 16 00:00:42,040 --> 00:00:45,600 Speaker 2: ninety five thousand. Wasn't that long ago it was one 17 00:00:45,640 --> 00:00:48,280 Speaker 2: hundred and sixty thousand inmates. Do you think there's a 18 00:00:48,320 --> 00:00:50,639 Speaker 2: connection there between all the crime reports? 19 00:00:50,800 --> 00:00:51,000 Speaker 3: Right? 20 00:00:51,520 --> 00:00:53,120 Speaker 2: Despite a lot of the media like to cover this 21 00:00:53,159 --> 00:00:56,480 Speaker 2: by saying, oh, except for some burglaries and robberies and 22 00:00:56,480 --> 00:00:59,600 Speaker 2: maybe some car break ins, crime is not really increasing 23 00:00:59,640 --> 00:01:02,640 Speaker 2: at all. It's just the perception people have, No it 24 00:01:02,800 --> 00:01:06,440 Speaker 2: is the reality. So this started years ago when Jerry 25 00:01:06,440 --> 00:01:09,720 Speaker 2: Brown was governor, but obviously Gavin Newsom has picked up 26 00:01:09,720 --> 00:01:13,000 Speaker 2: the mantle of releasing prisoners. And this also involves the 27 00:01:13,040 --> 00:01:18,880 Speaker 2: California Department of Corrections and Rehabilitation, which has taken some 28 00:01:19,040 --> 00:01:21,520 Speaker 2: of the propositions that have passed to the point where 29 00:01:21,760 --> 00:01:25,080 Speaker 2: they've tried to figure out a way to make sure 30 00:01:25,520 --> 00:01:29,759 Speaker 2: prison inmates qualify for the credits they need to gain 31 00:01:29,880 --> 00:01:30,560 Speaker 2: early release. 32 00:01:30,840 --> 00:01:31,120 Speaker 3: I e. 33 00:01:31,240 --> 00:01:32,360 Speaker 1: Breathing. 34 00:01:32,560 --> 00:01:36,760 Speaker 2: I guess anyway, the Criminal Justice Legal Foundation has gone 35 00:01:36,800 --> 00:01:40,319 Speaker 2: to court to try to fight this massive prisoner release 36 00:01:40,400 --> 00:01:44,360 Speaker 2: we've been seeing, and they got challenged by the California 37 00:01:44,360 --> 00:01:47,560 Speaker 2: Attorney General, Rob Bonta, who wanted their lawsuit thrown out 38 00:01:47,560 --> 00:01:47,920 Speaker 2: of court. 39 00:01:48,360 --> 00:01:50,040 Speaker 1: Well, the update is that didn't happen. 40 00:01:50,080 --> 00:01:52,560 Speaker 2: We're going to bring on Michael Rushford, the president of 41 00:01:52,560 --> 00:01:55,120 Speaker 2: the Criminal Justice Legal Foundation, for more on the story. 42 00:01:56,800 --> 00:02:00,480 Speaker 3: Michael, how are you good, Good afternoon, gentlemen. Thanks for 43 00:02:00,520 --> 00:02:03,120 Speaker 3: having me all right, Yeah, I guess it's it's good news. 44 00:02:03,240 --> 00:02:06,880 Speaker 1: Yeah, this was your lawsuit you filed on behalf of 45 00:02:06,880 --> 00:02:09,440 Speaker 1: the crime victims and their families, and so what was 46 00:02:09,480 --> 00:02:11,880 Speaker 1: your lawsuit claiming or is claiming? 47 00:02:12,639 --> 00:02:17,239 Speaker 3: Well, the inmate releases that we're seeing now are based 48 00:02:17,280 --> 00:02:21,520 Speaker 3: on good time credits, which means if the inmate didn't 49 00:02:21,560 --> 00:02:25,320 Speaker 3: attack somebody or a guard and goes to a program, 50 00:02:25,800 --> 00:02:29,080 Speaker 3: they get time off of their sentence. Well, since the 51 00:02:29,120 --> 00:02:33,240 Speaker 3: passage of Prop. Fifty seven, and particularly in twenty twenty one, 52 00:02:33,720 --> 00:02:37,639 Speaker 3: the Department of Corrections, which is under the direct control 53 00:02:37,720 --> 00:02:40,760 Speaker 3: of the governor. That's his office. He can he can 54 00:02:40,800 --> 00:02:43,959 Speaker 3: make them do anything he wants, decided that Props that 55 00:02:44,080 --> 00:02:48,079 Speaker 3: fifty seven allowed them to double the good time credits 56 00:02:48,560 --> 00:02:53,400 Speaker 3: for inmates and release them as short as half their 57 00:02:53,400 --> 00:02:58,600 Speaker 3: sentences and even shorter in some cases. So they announced 58 00:02:58,639 --> 00:03:01,600 Speaker 3: this last in twenty two, twenty one. We filed a 59 00:03:01,680 --> 00:03:05,160 Speaker 3: lawsuit with the DAS to stop it because it was 60 00:03:05,200 --> 00:03:08,840 Speaker 3: clearly illegal. There are several ballot measures and statutes in 61 00:03:08,919 --> 00:03:11,880 Speaker 3: state law that do not allow you to have an 62 00:03:11,919 --> 00:03:16,440 Speaker 3: administrative policy overturn them. And those laws specify how many 63 00:03:16,919 --> 00:03:20,600 Speaker 3: credits inmates get to get early release, and they just 64 00:03:20,639 --> 00:03:22,799 Speaker 3: brushed that aside and said, well Prop fifty seven gave 65 00:03:22,880 --> 00:03:25,200 Speaker 3: us a free hand. Well, no, it didn't. It did 66 00:03:25,240 --> 00:03:29,240 Speaker 3: not specify that these laws would be overturned, and the 67 00:03:29,320 --> 00:03:32,120 Speaker 3: AG doesn't want to go along with that, so we 68 00:03:32,240 --> 00:03:33,360 Speaker 3: sued him. 69 00:03:33,720 --> 00:03:36,400 Speaker 1: What was the language in Prop. Forty seven that they're 70 00:03:36,400 --> 00:03:37,520 Speaker 1: trying to use. 71 00:03:40,840 --> 00:03:44,880 Speaker 3: Yeah, the language is that it authorizes the Department of 72 00:03:44,920 --> 00:03:52,800 Speaker 3: Corrections to set regulations around inmate releases and credits. But 73 00:03:53,000 --> 00:03:56,640 Speaker 3: that doesn't overturn the Victims Bill of Rights. It doesn't 74 00:03:56,680 --> 00:04:00,240 Speaker 3: overturn other statutes that are in the law by the 75 00:04:00,320 --> 00:04:03,520 Speaker 3: legislature or adopted by the public. You have to specifically 76 00:04:03,560 --> 00:04:07,560 Speaker 3: go after exactly what you're doing. If you're going to overturn, 77 00:04:07,600 --> 00:04:10,240 Speaker 3: you can't just well, we have the power to do it. Now. 78 00:04:11,320 --> 00:04:15,200 Speaker 3: The argument by Bonta in let me get back to this. 79 00:04:16,440 --> 00:04:19,720 Speaker 3: The judge in the original case filed by the DAS 80 00:04:19,800 --> 00:04:23,360 Speaker 3: and US we joined with them. The judge said the 81 00:04:23,440 --> 00:04:26,039 Speaker 3: DAS did not have standing, and then we were still 82 00:04:26,080 --> 00:04:27,960 Speaker 3: a party and they slow walked it for a year. 83 00:04:28,720 --> 00:04:30,640 Speaker 3: So we pulled out of that case and refiled in 84 00:04:30,680 --> 00:04:35,160 Speaker 3: a different court, and this judge has heard the case. Now. 85 00:04:35,160 --> 00:04:37,039 Speaker 3: The first thing the AG tried to do is say 86 00:04:37,400 --> 00:04:39,720 Speaker 3: crime victims really don't have an interest in how long 87 00:04:39,760 --> 00:04:44,920 Speaker 3: prison sentences are, and therefore the case should be thrown 88 00:04:44,920 --> 00:04:46,960 Speaker 3: out without even going to the merits of whether the 89 00:04:47,040 --> 00:04:51,080 Speaker 3: law is legal. And the judge ruled the last friday 90 00:04:52,000 --> 00:04:54,720 Speaker 3: that they had their argument had no merit at all 91 00:04:55,520 --> 00:04:58,560 Speaker 3: and threw that claim out. So now they have to 92 00:04:58,560 --> 00:05:02,760 Speaker 3: come back on October eighth and defend the law. And 93 00:05:02,800 --> 00:05:06,039 Speaker 3: we're ready to take them on on this. So now 94 00:05:06,080 --> 00:05:08,839 Speaker 3: it will be appealed, I guarantee you. But if we 95 00:05:08,880 --> 00:05:12,120 Speaker 3: can beat them at this level, we've gotten to first base, 96 00:05:12,160 --> 00:05:13,279 Speaker 3: and that's very important. 97 00:05:13,960 --> 00:05:16,640 Speaker 2: Was Prop fifty seven broad enough that they were able 98 00:05:16,680 --> 00:05:20,480 Speaker 2: to now interpret it to skew it towards this method 99 00:05:20,520 --> 00:05:23,400 Speaker 2: that they've gone with these credits to get the prisoners 100 00:05:23,440 --> 00:05:24,040 Speaker 2: out earlier. 101 00:05:24,160 --> 00:05:27,320 Speaker 3: Is that what they did or well, it's said that inmates. 102 00:05:28,000 --> 00:05:30,080 Speaker 3: You know, the whole idea was supposed to be called 103 00:05:30,080 --> 00:05:34,280 Speaker 3: the Rehabilitation Act, if you will. So it said they 104 00:05:34,279 --> 00:05:36,479 Speaker 3: were going to offer up more programs so that more 105 00:05:36,480 --> 00:05:39,719 Speaker 3: inmates could get out. But we've been through this drill 106 00:05:39,800 --> 00:05:42,880 Speaker 3: for thirty years. If you're going to amend existing law, 107 00:05:43,120 --> 00:05:45,680 Speaker 3: you have to say so in the initiative. You have 108 00:05:45,760 --> 00:05:50,880 Speaker 3: to say this specific statute is amended now to do this. 109 00:05:51,400 --> 00:05:53,880 Speaker 3: They didn't do that. They just said they have broad 110 00:05:53,920 --> 00:05:56,560 Speaker 3: authority and they turned it over to the agency. Well, 111 00:05:57,360 --> 00:06:00,440 Speaker 3: the DMV can't decide whether or not you can get 112 00:06:00,440 --> 00:06:02,880 Speaker 3: a driver's license by just sitting down and having a meeting. 113 00:06:04,400 --> 00:06:06,280 Speaker 3: There has to be a change in state law. They 114 00:06:06,320 --> 00:06:09,760 Speaker 3: can't just do an administrative rule and change it. And 115 00:06:09,760 --> 00:06:11,680 Speaker 3: that's what they tried to do here, and there are 116 00:06:11,680 --> 00:06:15,240 Speaker 3: plenty of court decisions saying that administrative rules do not 117 00:06:15,320 --> 00:06:19,760 Speaker 3: trump statutes and they'd have to go back to the 118 00:06:19,760 --> 00:06:22,400 Speaker 3: public and change the law or pass it through the 119 00:06:22,480 --> 00:06:24,200 Speaker 3: legislature and take a challenge. 120 00:06:24,480 --> 00:06:27,799 Speaker 1: That has been the game the progressives have been playing 121 00:06:27,839 --> 00:06:31,320 Speaker 1: here in California and in Washington, d C. Is to 122 00:06:31,360 --> 00:06:36,920 Speaker 1: have the administrators override the laws that either Congress or 123 00:06:37,640 --> 00:06:39,120 Speaker 1: the state legislature passed. 124 00:06:39,920 --> 00:06:40,360 Speaker 3: You got it. 125 00:06:40,400 --> 00:06:44,720 Speaker 1: They use the yeah, they find a weasel word language 126 00:06:44,720 --> 00:06:48,120 Speaker 1: to justify what they're doing, because it's difficult to change 127 00:06:48,200 --> 00:06:53,720 Speaker 1: a lot of laws, but it's easy to issue administrative 128 00:06:53,800 --> 00:06:57,960 Speaker 1: rules that nobody understands and nobody's aware of well. 129 00:06:58,000 --> 00:07:00,719 Speaker 3: And the other thing is they did not issue these 130 00:07:00,800 --> 00:07:04,520 Speaker 3: rules under the standard process where the public gets to comment, 131 00:07:04,560 --> 00:07:08,039 Speaker 3: and I think when you're releasing murderers and rapists, the 132 00:07:08,080 --> 00:07:11,400 Speaker 3: public should be allowed to comment before you just initiate 133 00:07:11,440 --> 00:07:13,640 Speaker 3: a rule. But the other point is this, and they've 134 00:07:13,680 --> 00:07:16,160 Speaker 3: done this in several areas in California, and in the 135 00:07:16,200 --> 00:07:21,280 Speaker 3: federal law, they'll issue an illegal rule and then just 136 00:07:21,480 --> 00:07:24,120 Speaker 3: enforce it until three or four years later you kill 137 00:07:24,200 --> 00:07:27,760 Speaker 3: him in the courts. So they just play the game. Yeah, well, 138 00:07:27,760 --> 00:07:30,280 Speaker 3: it's not illegal until some court tells us is it 139 00:07:30,360 --> 00:07:30,800 Speaker 3: is right? 140 00:07:31,040 --> 00:07:33,080 Speaker 1: Yeah. That's a lot of that going on too. 141 00:07:33,800 --> 00:07:36,800 Speaker 3: Oh hell yeah. And you're rolling the dice every time 142 00:07:36,840 --> 00:07:38,840 Speaker 3: you challenge in court because you may get a judge 143 00:07:39,040 --> 00:07:42,240 Speaker 3: like the last judge in this particular case, who was 144 00:07:42,240 --> 00:07:45,760 Speaker 3: waiting around for appellate appointment. He was not gonna dump 145 00:07:45,760 --> 00:07:48,080 Speaker 3: this law in the governor. He wouldn't get his appointment. 146 00:07:48,480 --> 00:07:49,400 Speaker 1: I looked this. 147 00:07:49,520 --> 00:07:52,320 Speaker 2: Up, and Michael Rushford's with us from the Criminal Justice 148 00:07:52,400 --> 00:07:55,640 Speaker 2: Legal Foundation, this thing Prop fifty seven was called, and here, 149 00:07:55,680 --> 00:07:58,400 Speaker 2: of course, is always good the Public Safety and Rehabilitation 150 00:07:58,480 --> 00:08:02,320 Speaker 2: Act of twenty sixteen. But again in all these writings, Michael, 151 00:08:02,320 --> 00:08:05,080 Speaker 2: it says it's a process for people convicted of a 152 00:08:05,160 --> 00:08:08,640 Speaker 2: non violent felony offense to get released. 153 00:08:08,720 --> 00:08:10,760 Speaker 1: But that's not what's been going on, has it. 154 00:08:11,800 --> 00:08:15,880 Speaker 3: No, And the in a federal case, the former head 155 00:08:15,920 --> 00:08:20,040 Speaker 3: of the Department of Correction said several years ago when 156 00:08:20,040 --> 00:08:23,880 Speaker 3: Prop fifty seven was being introduced that we've already released 157 00:08:23,960 --> 00:08:27,080 Speaker 3: all the inmates in the state prison system that are 158 00:08:27,520 --> 00:08:31,280 Speaker 3: viable for some kind of early release and rehabilitation. Now 159 00:08:31,320 --> 00:08:34,720 Speaker 3: are down to the bone, we're releasing serious and violent crush. 160 00:08:35,080 --> 00:08:37,880 Speaker 1: Well that's that's that's the game that they've been playing 161 00:08:37,920 --> 00:08:39,960 Speaker 1: for a long time. This is all this is all 162 00:08:40,000 --> 00:08:43,440 Speaker 1: on purpose, is to distract people by saying no, no, 163 00:08:43,520 --> 00:08:46,560 Speaker 1: it's non violent felons. In the meantime, they're releasing real 164 00:08:46,679 --> 00:08:51,600 Speaker 1: violent felons and yeah, yeah, right, and then you've got 165 00:08:51,640 --> 00:08:54,120 Speaker 1: to go to court for years to try to undo it. 166 00:08:54,480 --> 00:08:57,000 Speaker 3: But but I mean, here's the example how this thing works. 167 00:08:58,280 --> 00:09:02,160 Speaker 3: Last January, young police officer in a little valley town 168 00:09:02,200 --> 00:09:07,000 Speaker 3: of Selma was murdered by a habitual criminal. The criminal 169 00:09:07,080 --> 00:09:10,280 Speaker 3: had been just seven months earlier sentenced to over five 170 00:09:10,360 --> 00:09:13,960 Speaker 3: years in prison for multiple crimes. He was a gang member. 171 00:09:14,360 --> 00:09:18,320 Speaker 3: He was out in seven months. The cop. The cop 172 00:09:18,320 --> 00:09:20,199 Speaker 3: got a call, he responded to the call. This guy 173 00:09:20,240 --> 00:09:23,679 Speaker 3: gunned him down. So this is what's got seven months. 174 00:09:24,200 --> 00:09:25,080 Speaker 3: So I remember we. 175 00:09:26,080 --> 00:09:28,079 Speaker 1: Talked to one of the das, I think it was 176 00:09:28,160 --> 00:09:31,240 Speaker 1: up in Sacramento, and we were talking with some terrible 177 00:09:31,240 --> 00:09:33,319 Speaker 1: crime that was committed, and it was a guy who'd 178 00:09:33,320 --> 00:09:36,400 Speaker 1: just gotten released early. Why did he get released early? 179 00:09:36,600 --> 00:09:39,840 Speaker 1: And she made it sound she made it sound as if, hey, 180 00:09:39,640 --> 00:09:43,240 Speaker 1: the Corrections Department is just making up the rules down 181 00:09:43,720 --> 00:09:46,320 Speaker 1: they're releasing people whenever they want, and they had some 182 00:09:46,360 --> 00:09:50,719 Speaker 1: bogus justification and all kinds of creative formulas. But the 183 00:09:51,160 --> 00:09:54,520 Speaker 1: goal is just, hey, let's let everybody out. Who's going 184 00:09:54,559 --> 00:09:55,280 Speaker 1: to stop us? 185 00:09:55,720 --> 00:09:57,280 Speaker 3: Yeah, well that's it. They'll say it's going to take 186 00:09:57,320 --> 00:09:59,600 Speaker 3: three years. By then we'll empty out the prisons. And 187 00:09:59,640 --> 00:10:02,400 Speaker 3: we know that won On. Newsom's main announced goals is 188 00:10:02,440 --> 00:10:05,840 Speaker 3: a closed state prisons, and he's he's doing it. He's 189 00:10:05,960 --> 00:10:08,560 Speaker 3: closed one, he's got two more schedule for next year. 190 00:10:08,960 --> 00:10:10,679 Speaker 3: A second prison is going to be closed up in 191 00:10:10,720 --> 00:10:14,040 Speaker 3: Susanville later this year. And you know, the interesting point is, 192 00:10:14,280 --> 00:10:18,200 Speaker 3: earlier this year, the Correctness Department pointed out that a 193 00:10:18,240 --> 00:10:21,400 Speaker 3: small percentage of inmates that were released under Prop. Fifty 194 00:10:21,440 --> 00:10:27,480 Speaker 3: seven and been rehabilitated were not being caught for reoffending. Well, 195 00:10:27,720 --> 00:10:29,800 Speaker 3: we did some research on that and found out that 196 00:10:30,120 --> 00:10:33,200 Speaker 3: forty percent of the inmates they released had never been 197 00:10:33,240 --> 00:10:37,600 Speaker 3: to any program at all. Yeah, and sixty two percent 198 00:10:37,679 --> 00:10:40,960 Speaker 3: of the inmates that were considered at risk and released 199 00:10:41,440 --> 00:10:44,400 Speaker 3: did not have their did not complete their program. 200 00:10:44,840 --> 00:10:46,800 Speaker 1: Yeah, no, I remember, that's kind of in one of 201 00:10:46,800 --> 00:10:49,720 Speaker 1: the cases there are there there is no such program 202 00:10:49,760 --> 00:10:52,680 Speaker 1: in some of these cases, or the inmates don't even go, 203 00:10:52,920 --> 00:10:55,359 Speaker 1: or if they go, it doesn't work. It's just nonsense. 204 00:10:56,160 --> 00:11:02,079 Speaker 3: Yeah, it's they're blown. They're blown smoke. But our lawsuit 205 00:11:02,160 --> 00:11:06,640 Speaker 3: will hopefully stop it. But you never know what court 206 00:11:06,640 --> 00:11:08,280 Speaker 3: you're going to get in front of on the opia. 207 00:11:08,679 --> 00:11:10,720 Speaker 1: Well, keep us up to date. Michael, thanks for coming 208 00:11:10,760 --> 00:11:12,199 Speaker 1: on once again. We appreciate it. 209 00:11:12,880 --> 00:11:14,320 Speaker 3: Thank you, thanks for having me. 210 00:11:14,679 --> 00:11:17,760 Speaker 2: Michael Rushford is the president of the Criminal Justice Legal Foundation, 211 00:11:17,840 --> 00:11:21,440 Speaker 2: trying to stop this mass release of state prisoners, which 212 00:11:21,440 --> 00:11:24,000 Speaker 2: has taken us down to just ninety five thousand prisoners, 213 00:11:24,160 --> 00:11:26,600 Speaker 2: so like one hundred and sixty thousand just over ten 214 00:11:26,679 --> 00:11:27,160 Speaker 2: years ago. 215 00:11:27,440 --> 00:11:29,360 Speaker 1: It of course, is all part of the end game. 216 00:11:29,960 --> 00:11:32,560 Speaker 2: Nobody goes to prison, nobody gets additional prison time, and 217 00:11:32,559 --> 00:11:34,240 Speaker 2: the guys we have in there get released, and some 218 00:11:34,280 --> 00:11:37,240 Speaker 2: of them are really nasty. 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Let's just review the. 228 00:11:59,800 --> 00:12:02,600 Speaker 2: Conversation we kind of had with Michael Rushford from the 229 00:12:02,600 --> 00:12:05,840 Speaker 2: Criminal Justice Legal Foundation, because it's important that all of 230 00:12:05,840 --> 00:12:10,080 Speaker 2: you understand what's going on. We're down to like ninety 231 00:12:10,120 --> 00:12:12,480 Speaker 2: five thousand state prison inmates from a high of one 232 00:12:12,559 --> 00:12:16,120 Speaker 2: hundred and sixty thousand just over ten years ago, and 233 00:12:16,160 --> 00:12:18,520 Speaker 2: that was on purpose. They want to empty the prisons 234 00:12:18,520 --> 00:12:21,680 Speaker 2: because they don't believe in incarceration and this trick they have, 235 00:12:21,800 --> 00:12:23,200 Speaker 2: and we've talked about this before. 236 00:12:23,520 --> 00:12:24,560 Speaker 1: You know, the idea. 237 00:12:24,240 --> 00:12:27,480 Speaker 2: Behind three strikes, which is almost twenty years old now, 238 00:12:28,280 --> 00:12:31,080 Speaker 2: was that somebody with a long criminal record, with violent, 239 00:12:31,480 --> 00:12:36,199 Speaker 2: violent crimes on their record has to get a long punishment. 240 00:12:36,480 --> 00:12:38,760 Speaker 2: These are people that should never be in society. They 241 00:12:38,760 --> 00:12:41,640 Speaker 2: should not be free. Now I'll add to that, the 242 00:12:41,679 --> 00:12:44,120 Speaker 2: state prisons are you can only go there if you 243 00:12:44,160 --> 00:12:47,320 Speaker 2: committed to felony, so they're already pretty dangerous people. So 244 00:12:47,360 --> 00:12:49,719 Speaker 2: they're trying to convince you, especially with bout measures like 245 00:12:49,760 --> 00:12:52,720 Speaker 2: Prop fifty seven, that these are non violent felons. And 246 00:12:52,760 --> 00:12:56,319 Speaker 2: often the trick they pull is maybe their latest infraction 247 00:12:56,679 --> 00:12:59,959 Speaker 2: wasn't violent, but if you look at their long horror 248 00:13:00,280 --> 00:13:02,559 Speaker 2: criminal record, it's probably just gonna be a matter of 249 00:13:02,640 --> 00:13:04,760 Speaker 2: time if you let them free before they do something 250 00:13:04,840 --> 00:13:09,440 Speaker 2: violent again. That was the idea behind three strikes that stated. 251 00:13:09,760 --> 00:13:15,400 Speaker 1: Is it trick. Everything they've done for the past twelve 252 00:13:15,440 --> 00:13:19,960 Speaker 1: years has been a trick. Everything has been dishonest. They 253 00:13:20,000 --> 00:13:25,040 Speaker 1: confuse you with all kinds of terms and that you 254 00:13:25,080 --> 00:13:28,480 Speaker 1: don't know the definitions of, and then they go and 255 00:13:28,480 --> 00:13:33,840 Speaker 1: do what they want anyway, violent, non violent, serious, non serious, whatever. 256 00:13:33,880 --> 00:13:36,679 Speaker 1: They got a whole collection of terms to describe crimes 257 00:13:36,960 --> 00:13:38,960 Speaker 1: that if you ask any normal person, it's like, yeah, 258 00:13:38,960 --> 00:13:40,400 Speaker 1: that guy ought to be locked up for a long 259 00:13:40,440 --> 00:13:44,040 Speaker 1: time period, end of story, And you start everybody gets 260 00:13:44,120 --> 00:13:48,439 Speaker 1: lost in all the minutia. What is non serious? Nonviolent? 261 00:13:48,480 --> 00:13:51,520 Speaker 1: What is a violent? Non sense? It doesn't matter, you 262 00:13:51,600 --> 00:13:53,760 Speaker 1: know when you hear it, tell me what the guy did. 263 00:13:54,160 --> 00:13:56,120 Speaker 1: Oh okay, yeah he ought to be in prison for 264 00:13:56,160 --> 00:13:56,960 Speaker 1: a while. That's bad. 265 00:13:57,080 --> 00:13:59,040 Speaker 2: Well, the trick is remember this, when we first did 266 00:13:59,120 --> 00:14:01,880 Speaker 2: this twenty years ago. They also Times has run these 267 00:14:01,880 --> 00:14:04,720 Speaker 2: stories about pizza thieves and cookie thieves. Oh yeah, they 268 00:14:04,760 --> 00:14:06,520 Speaker 2: may have had strikes on their record, but their latest 269 00:14:06,520 --> 00:14:09,320 Speaker 2: defense was just that they stole a slice of pizza. 270 00:14:09,600 --> 00:14:11,839 Speaker 2: How could they're changing their lives? How could you send 271 00:14:11,880 --> 00:14:13,840 Speaker 2: them away? I'm like that in a while, not a 272 00:14:13,880 --> 00:14:17,400 Speaker 2: good person. That's propaganda. That's the adjut prop that Joel 273 00:14:17,520 --> 00:14:18,720 Speaker 2: Kotkin's writing about it. 274 00:14:18,720 --> 00:14:22,960 Speaker 1: Okay, it's to agitate people saying we're throwing it. First, 275 00:14:23,000 --> 00:14:26,760 Speaker 1: you look at their record. They're bad people. The pizza 276 00:14:26,800 --> 00:14:29,680 Speaker 1: thing is just a hook to throw them back in prison. 277 00:14:30,360 --> 00:14:34,239 Speaker 1: And the programs don't work and people don't get rehability. 278 00:14:34,360 --> 00:14:36,600 Speaker 2: That's the other snow that they served us. The other 279 00:14:37,120 --> 00:14:39,720 Speaker 2: belief was to tell us we're going to fix everybody. 280 00:14:39,920 --> 00:14:40,560 Speaker 1: Don't worry. 281 00:14:40,680 --> 00:14:44,080 Speaker 2: Maybe they even change the department name to Rehability, Corrections 282 00:14:44,080 --> 00:14:45,000 Speaker 2: and Rehabilitation. 283 00:14:45,560 --> 00:14:49,280 Speaker 1: I remember the DA we talked to. She ran for governor. 284 00:14:49,320 --> 00:14:51,920 Speaker 1: I think what was her name, A woman up in 285 00:14:51,960 --> 00:14:54,400 Speaker 1: the Sacramento. She was on our show a number of times. 286 00:14:54,640 --> 00:14:58,320 Speaker 1: Oh it's Anne Marie Schubert. Anne Marie Schubert. She's the 287 00:14:58,360 --> 00:15:00,640 Speaker 1: one who made it, who was talking about how they 288 00:15:00,680 --> 00:15:03,320 Speaker 1: just make up the rules on sentencing to let these 289 00:15:03,320 --> 00:15:06,920 Speaker 1: people out since probably fifty seven, I remember. We asked her, so, 290 00:15:07,040 --> 00:15:10,240 Speaker 1: what are these rehab programs like, do they work? And 291 00:15:10,280 --> 00:15:14,640 Speaker 1: she just laughed, No, they don't work. It's nonsense. There 292 00:15:14,720 --> 00:15:18,200 Speaker 1: is something in people's brains. We want to believe in 293 00:15:18,320 --> 00:15:24,480 Speaker 1: redemption and rehabilitation that they're changed. No, bad people don't. 294 00:15:24,680 --> 00:15:27,080 Speaker 1: Can you change a good person into a bad person? 295 00:15:27,880 --> 00:15:28,880 Speaker 1: Have you ever seen that? 296 00:15:29,520 --> 00:15:29,720 Speaker 3: Right? 297 00:15:29,760 --> 00:15:34,160 Speaker 1: But have you ever seen it? Are you aware? Think 298 00:15:34,240 --> 00:15:36,440 Speaker 1: of the good people in your life that you like 299 00:15:36,680 --> 00:15:40,000 Speaker 1: and trust and care about, and you've known them forever, 300 00:15:40,440 --> 00:15:45,960 Speaker 1: and there's never there's never a point where they acted evil. 301 00:15:46,440 --> 00:15:50,080 Speaker 1: Can you imagine a way to make them evil? 302 00:15:50,360 --> 00:15:50,440 Speaker 3: No? 303 00:15:51,240 --> 00:15:55,000 Speaker 1: I can't, because they're not well. Why doesn't that work 304 00:15:55,120 --> 00:15:58,320 Speaker 1: for bad people? You can't turn bad people into good 305 00:15:59,040 --> 00:16:01,240 Speaker 1: for the same reason, this is what they are. 306 00:16:03,360 --> 00:16:03,560 Speaker 3: You know. 307 00:16:03,680 --> 00:16:06,400 Speaker 1: You can't turn gold into silver. You can't turn silver 308 00:16:06,440 --> 00:16:09,720 Speaker 1: into lead because it because they're all separate elements, and 309 00:16:09,800 --> 00:16:12,600 Speaker 1: good and bad people are separate elements, and they can't 310 00:16:12,640 --> 00:16:17,680 Speaker 1: be transformed because their brains are wired that way. It's irreversible. Unchangeable. 311 00:16:18,480 --> 00:16:21,040 Speaker 2: We got more coming up. Johnny KENKFI AM six forty 312 00:16:21,080 --> 00:16:22,920 Speaker 2: live everywhere. It's the iHeartRadio app. 313 00:16:24,040 --> 00:16:27,360 Speaker 4: You're listening to John and Ken on demand from KFI 314 00:16:27,600 --> 00:16:28,880 Speaker 4: AM six forty. 315 00:16:30,640 --> 00:16:32,400 Speaker 1: On the radio from one until four, and then after 316 00:16:32,440 --> 00:16:35,000 Speaker 1: four o'clock you go to the ir height app for 317 00:16:35,000 --> 00:16:37,840 Speaker 1: the John and Ken on demand podcast and listen to 318 00:16:37,880 --> 00:16:38,600 Speaker 1: what you missed. 319 00:16:39,360 --> 00:16:43,800 Speaker 2: Yes, right, Well, a big story here in southern California 320 00:16:43,800 --> 00:16:47,960 Speaker 2: this afternoon brings us back to the topic of trans wars. 321 00:16:49,160 --> 00:16:50,760 Speaker 2: We don't usually spend a lot of time on this 322 00:16:50,760 --> 00:16:53,280 Speaker 2: subject matter because it does not involve a lot of people, 323 00:16:53,360 --> 00:16:56,640 Speaker 2: but it also gets so much coverage and protests on 324 00:16:56,760 --> 00:17:01,320 Speaker 2: both sides. But it involves once again the infamous Chino 325 00:17:01,440 --> 00:17:05,720 Speaker 2: Valley School District, and they apparently had decided that they 326 00:17:05,720 --> 00:17:09,600 Speaker 2: have a policy requiring that schools notify parents if students 327 00:17:09,600 --> 00:17:14,520 Speaker 2: indicate that they identify as transgender or gender non conforming. 328 00:17:15,359 --> 00:17:18,800 Speaker 2: Now would makes sense to most people that parents obviously 329 00:17:18,840 --> 00:17:21,160 Speaker 2: are the number one people in the lives of students, 330 00:17:21,840 --> 00:17:23,959 Speaker 2: people who are under the age of eighteen miners, and 331 00:17:24,000 --> 00:17:27,080 Speaker 2: they should probably know. So that's what they decided to 332 00:17:27,080 --> 00:17:29,720 Speaker 2: do in the school district. There was a piece of 333 00:17:29,800 --> 00:17:35,000 Speaker 2: legislation introduced in Sacramento. As simply Member Bill O. Sally's 334 00:17:35,000 --> 00:17:37,480 Speaker 2: been on our sow many times before along the same 335 00:17:37,520 --> 00:17:40,480 Speaker 2: lines that it did not pass. But the Chino people 336 00:17:40,560 --> 00:17:42,479 Speaker 2: have been making the news because they've been back and 337 00:17:42,520 --> 00:17:45,920 Speaker 2: forth on this trans issue for so many months now 338 00:17:45,960 --> 00:17:49,760 Speaker 2: and fiery hearings, they decided to pass this policy. The 339 00:17:49,760 --> 00:17:53,680 Speaker 2: news this afternoon is that a judge has granted the 340 00:17:53,800 --> 00:17:57,159 Speaker 2: state's request that brings Gavin Newsom into the picture, his 341 00:17:57,240 --> 00:18:00,119 Speaker 2: Attorney General, Rob Bonta, who went to court to try. 342 00:18:00,119 --> 00:18:02,560 Speaker 1: To stop this policy, and the judge did. 343 00:18:02,440 --> 00:18:06,159 Speaker 2: Grant the request for what's called the tro a temporary 344 00:18:06,240 --> 00:18:10,160 Speaker 2: restraining order. Many believe this case probably will make its 345 00:18:10,160 --> 00:18:12,480 Speaker 2: way up to the courts, if not even the US 346 00:18:12,600 --> 00:18:18,000 Speaker 2: Supreme Court, because it's pretty basic in terms of even 347 00:18:18,040 --> 00:18:20,119 Speaker 2: if there's not a lot of trans people, it is 348 00:18:20,160 --> 00:18:21,800 Speaker 2: about parents versus schools. 349 00:18:22,280 --> 00:18:27,400 Speaker 1: So I think that is sick that parents wouldn't be told. 350 00:18:27,840 --> 00:18:31,920 Speaker 1: I cannot conceive of an argument of cutting out the parents. 351 00:18:32,359 --> 00:18:36,480 Speaker 1: The argument is the kid might be killed. Well, I'm 352 00:18:37,720 --> 00:18:40,479 Speaker 1: most parents don't kill their kids. Show me the parents 353 00:18:40,520 --> 00:18:43,600 Speaker 1: that killed their kids. All I think that is well, 354 00:18:44,080 --> 00:18:48,280 Speaker 1: I think that's wildly overblown. And how come cut them off, 355 00:18:48,359 --> 00:18:50,119 Speaker 1: throw them out of the house. Wait, we can take 356 00:18:50,119 --> 00:18:50,880 Speaker 1: this darly level. 357 00:18:51,680 --> 00:18:55,919 Speaker 2: That's argument that they will be rejected and severely rejected, and. 358 00:18:55,840 --> 00:18:58,480 Speaker 1: That could happen. Also, if you bring home a bad 359 00:18:58,520 --> 00:19:01,520 Speaker 1: report card, you could get cracked in the head too, 360 00:19:01,960 --> 00:19:04,680 Speaker 1: all right. There's a lot of bad behavior by parents 361 00:19:04,680 --> 00:19:08,400 Speaker 1: to kids. Why is it that here a parent can't 362 00:19:08,440 --> 00:19:12,640 Speaker 1: find out? Most parents aren't going to do that well, 363 00:19:13,480 --> 00:19:15,160 Speaker 1: and everybody knows it, everybody. 364 00:19:15,720 --> 00:19:17,960 Speaker 2: You can work harder and get better grades, but you 365 00:19:18,000 --> 00:19:20,880 Speaker 2: can't come other than what you think you are as trands. 366 00:19:21,200 --> 00:19:24,120 Speaker 1: No, no, no, no. What I'm saying is parents can 367 00:19:24,160 --> 00:19:29,120 Speaker 1: act badly for any number of reasons, right, and they do, 368 00:19:29,920 --> 00:19:33,199 Speaker 1: and that's never going to change. There's plenty of child's 369 00:19:33,200 --> 00:19:36,200 Speaker 1: abuse and it'll always be there, all right. There's plenty 370 00:19:36,200 --> 00:19:41,920 Speaker 1: of parents that have the violent personalities, drink too much whatever. Okay, 371 00:19:42,080 --> 00:19:47,520 Speaker 1: So why is it this particular situation is being kept 372 00:19:47,520 --> 00:19:52,520 Speaker 1: from parents? And and why why not assume? Because I 373 00:19:52,560 --> 00:19:55,960 Speaker 1: think it's true that the vast, vast majority nearly all 374 00:19:56,080 --> 00:19:59,680 Speaker 1: parents would not resort to a beating. Why is it 375 00:19:59,720 --> 00:20:02,879 Speaker 1: a but parents? Of course they wouldn't and they and 376 00:20:02,960 --> 00:20:09,040 Speaker 1: they don't. I mean, I mean that that that's completely outrageous. 377 00:20:09,240 --> 00:20:12,960 Speaker 1: And if if they know it's school, you know where 378 00:20:13,000 --> 00:20:15,160 Speaker 1: the kid is going to get the violence from other 379 00:20:15,280 --> 00:20:19,520 Speaker 1: kids in the class. So why would you have him 380 00:20:19,600 --> 00:20:21,840 Speaker 1: come out in the school and keep it from the 381 00:20:21,920 --> 00:20:24,320 Speaker 1: parents so we could get beat up at the school 382 00:20:24,400 --> 00:20:26,120 Speaker 1: and the parents aren't gonna know about that. 383 00:20:26,480 --> 00:20:29,240 Speaker 2: I don't First of all, I don't think this is practical. 384 00:20:29,280 --> 00:20:32,399 Speaker 2: I don't think it's possible for a student to be 385 00:20:32,520 --> 00:20:35,119 Speaker 2: out at school and his parents not find out somehow 386 00:20:35,440 --> 00:20:40,280 Speaker 2: to somebody else's parents from somebody else's kids because the 387 00:20:40,359 --> 00:20:43,200 Speaker 2: kid walks in the door and you can tell, well, yeah, 388 00:20:43,359 --> 00:20:44,360 Speaker 2: that's probably true, but. 389 00:20:44,680 --> 00:20:47,600 Speaker 1: Most of them have most of them have a different look. 390 00:20:47,720 --> 00:20:52,639 Speaker 1: They do. That's that's that's part of the situation. You know, 391 00:20:52,680 --> 00:20:56,080 Speaker 1: they wear their hair differently, closed differently, there's makeup or whatever. 392 00:20:57,280 --> 00:21:01,359 Speaker 1: That's absolutely true. So I just don't understand the idea 393 00:21:01,400 --> 00:21:04,760 Speaker 1: that the parents can't be trusted to handle Because we're 394 00:21:04,840 --> 00:21:08,480 Speaker 1: told that there's a high rate of suicide and a 395 00:21:08,520 --> 00:21:11,720 Speaker 1: high rate of all kinds of terrible things, Well, shouldn't 396 00:21:11,760 --> 00:21:15,880 Speaker 1: the parent be in on that to watch and help 397 00:21:15,960 --> 00:21:20,040 Speaker 1: keep something bad from happening like suicide, because the kid 398 00:21:20,119 --> 00:21:23,040 Speaker 1: lives with the parents most of the time. So if 399 00:21:23,080 --> 00:21:26,240 Speaker 1: the kid has a condition which statistically leads to a 400 00:21:26,240 --> 00:21:29,320 Speaker 1: lot of suicide, well, geez, shouldn't mom and dad know 401 00:21:29,400 --> 00:21:33,120 Speaker 1: about that because the suicide is likely to happen in 402 00:21:33,160 --> 00:21:36,840 Speaker 1: their house, in the kid's bedroom. I mean that that 403 00:21:37,080 --> 00:21:41,480 Speaker 1: is so ridiculous and insane that these these these these 404 00:21:41,680 --> 00:21:46,800 Speaker 1: these transactivists are so incredibly obsessive they don't even make 405 00:21:46,840 --> 00:21:49,919 Speaker 1: any sense. You want to spare the kid, then then 406 00:21:50,080 --> 00:21:53,120 Speaker 1: let the parents in on it because they're. 407 00:21:53,040 --> 00:21:55,840 Speaker 2: Because the thinking is that the kids who only come 408 00:21:55,840 --> 00:21:57,959 Speaker 2: out as trans at school know that it's not going 409 00:21:58,000 --> 00:22:00,439 Speaker 2: to be good news at home, so that would be 410 00:22:01,520 --> 00:22:03,000 Speaker 2: it's in the most danger. 411 00:22:03,640 --> 00:22:05,720 Speaker 1: I think most kids would be reluctant to come out 412 00:22:05,720 --> 00:22:09,240 Speaker 1: to their parents for obvious reasons. Okay, and but most 413 00:22:09,240 --> 00:22:11,920 Speaker 1: of them will come out to their friends first. Oh yeah, 414 00:22:11,960 --> 00:22:14,639 Speaker 1: that's choosy what happens, right, Yeah, but that that's normal. 415 00:22:14,680 --> 00:22:17,320 Speaker 1: But the idea that the parents are all the parents 416 00:22:17,320 --> 00:22:22,720 Speaker 1: are considered inherently violent is just an absurd and parents 417 00:22:22,720 --> 00:22:26,159 Speaker 1: shouldn't put up with them. That's a horrible smear. This 418 00:22:26,240 --> 00:22:29,119 Speaker 1: is pretty Basically, how do these activists get away with 419 00:22:29,240 --> 00:22:35,480 Speaker 1: smearing all parents? Their parent how about their parent phobic? Now? 420 00:22:35,680 --> 00:22:38,520 Speaker 2: Well, well again they believe, but they believe that the 421 00:22:38,560 --> 00:22:39,960 Speaker 2: parents are accepting already. 422 00:22:40,040 --> 00:22:42,240 Speaker 1: No, so they would be affected by yes, you know 423 00:22:42,320 --> 00:22:45,040 Speaker 1: what that is. That is another form of bigotry. This 424 00:22:45,160 --> 00:22:47,919 Speaker 1: is another kind of bigotry that apparently is permitted. That 425 00:22:48,000 --> 00:22:52,200 Speaker 1: kind of stereotyping is permitted. That's hate, Okay, that's that's 426 00:22:52,280 --> 00:22:55,000 Speaker 1: hate against parents, assuming that they're all going to beat 427 00:22:55,080 --> 00:22:58,040 Speaker 1: up their trans kid. That is sick, you know, I mean, 428 00:22:58,760 --> 00:23:01,399 Speaker 1: I can't stand these people. Why are they getting so 429 00:23:01,480 --> 00:23:04,400 Speaker 1: much power? Why are they getting so much say? Why 430 00:23:04,400 --> 00:23:08,560 Speaker 1: are they getting being so invasive into people's private lives 431 00:23:08,720 --> 00:23:11,360 Speaker 1: and how parents deal with their children? God, isn't isn't 432 00:23:11,400 --> 00:23:13,920 Speaker 1: it difficult enough if the kid is trans, that's gonna 433 00:23:13,960 --> 00:23:17,360 Speaker 1: be a big enough challenge. Now you add this other 434 00:23:17,520 --> 00:23:21,919 Speaker 1: layer of complexity, unnecessary complexity, by assuming the parents are violent. 435 00:23:22,520 --> 00:23:26,600 Speaker 1: There's there's no evidence of that. That's just hysterical, made 436 00:23:26,640 --> 00:23:28,440 Speaker 1: up nonsense. All right, We got it? 437 00:23:28,560 --> 00:23:30,920 Speaker 2: Or coming up John and Ken KFI AM six forty 438 00:23:30,920 --> 00:23:32,560 Speaker 2: live everywhere iHeartRadio app. 439 00:23:33,400 --> 00:23:36,760 Speaker 4: You're listening to John and Ken on demand from KFI 440 00:23:36,960 --> 00:23:37,920 Speaker 4: AM six forty. 441 00:23:41,320 --> 00:23:43,560 Speaker 2: Yeah, we got the Moistline with plenty of openings in 442 00:23:43,600 --> 00:23:46,359 Speaker 2: this short week. Use the iHeartRadio app to connect to 443 00:23:46,400 --> 00:23:50,200 Speaker 2: the Moistline directly with the icon the microphone icon or 444 00:23:50,240 --> 00:23:52,240 Speaker 2: called the toll free number one eight seven seven Moist 445 00:23:52,240 --> 00:23:56,760 Speaker 2: eighty six one eight seven seven six six four seven 446 00:23:56,880 --> 00:23:58,240 Speaker 2: eight eight six. 447 00:23:58,920 --> 00:24:02,000 Speaker 1: Well, it's more bad news for Dodger fans. 448 00:24:02,040 --> 00:24:05,520 Speaker 2: It looks like they've lost another pitcher to a little 449 00:24:05,560 --> 00:24:08,800 Speaker 2: problem with women. If you were planning on going to 450 00:24:08,880 --> 00:24:14,479 Speaker 2: the September twenty first bobblehead promotion featuring the Dodger pitcher 451 00:24:15,200 --> 00:24:19,960 Speaker 2: Julio Arius, it's not going to happen. It's been replaced 452 00:24:20,080 --> 00:24:24,560 Speaker 2: with a select premium Bobblehead night. And of course you 453 00:24:24,600 --> 00:24:27,480 Speaker 2: may have heard the news that Sunday night he was 454 00:24:27,600 --> 00:24:33,440 Speaker 2: arrested in some sort of domestic violent incident at Exposition 455 00:24:33,600 --> 00:24:37,480 Speaker 2: Park south of downtown LA. It's home to the stadium 456 00:24:37,840 --> 00:24:40,840 Speaker 2: where you had a Major League soccer game going on 457 00:24:40,920 --> 00:24:43,480 Speaker 2: there and many celebrities were in attendance, and I guess 458 00:24:43,480 --> 00:24:48,200 Speaker 2: he was among the celebrities. The Dodger pitcher was also 459 00:24:48,320 --> 00:24:53,240 Speaker 2: arrested in May of twenty nineteen, for domestic battery, suspended 460 00:24:53,280 --> 00:24:57,440 Speaker 2: twenty games by Major League Baseball that they didn't prosecute 461 00:24:57,520 --> 00:25:00,080 Speaker 2: him on the condition he completed a fifty two a 462 00:25:00,160 --> 00:25:02,200 Speaker 2: week domestic violence counseling program. 463 00:25:02,680 --> 00:25:05,600 Speaker 1: See that doesn't work. It does make your point. 464 00:25:05,720 --> 00:25:09,680 Speaker 2: No, he's a violent hot hat so and no matter 465 00:25:09,720 --> 00:25:13,280 Speaker 2: what the punishment is here, it's not gonna work. No 466 00:25:13,480 --> 00:25:17,760 Speaker 2: he So he's now been put on leave by Major 467 00:25:17,840 --> 00:25:24,000 Speaker 2: League Baseball, and many believe that remember Trevor Bauer, I 468 00:25:24,040 --> 00:25:27,240 Speaker 2: was pitching days with the Dodgers. Maybe over of course, 469 00:25:27,280 --> 00:25:30,480 Speaker 2: Trevor Bauer was involved in some bizarre situation with a 470 00:25:30,480 --> 00:25:32,360 Speaker 2: woman who accused him of assault. 471 00:25:31,920 --> 00:25:35,639 Speaker 1: And he ended up in Japan. Didn't he Korea? Oh 472 00:25:35,680 --> 00:25:37,639 Speaker 1: he's in Korea. Yeah, they might be teammates again. Now, 473 00:25:37,680 --> 00:25:38,080 Speaker 1: who knows. 474 00:25:38,520 --> 00:25:40,800 Speaker 2: Oh, it says here Bower signed to pitch in Japan's 475 00:25:40,840 --> 00:25:42,479 Speaker 2: professional league. You haven't been in Korea? 476 00:25:42,840 --> 00:25:43,000 Speaker 3: Yeah? 477 00:25:43,040 --> 00:25:43,800 Speaker 1: I thought it was Korea. 478 00:25:44,480 --> 00:25:46,280 Speaker 2: No, it says in March he signed to play in 479 00:25:46,359 --> 00:25:48,840 Speaker 2: Japan's Nippon Professional League. 480 00:25:48,840 --> 00:25:52,920 Speaker 1: Maybe they throw him out. Well, maybe he's already in Korea. 481 00:25:52,960 --> 00:25:55,320 Speaker 1: I don't know. Yeah, sure, anyway. 482 00:25:55,960 --> 00:25:58,600 Speaker 2: The Dodgers response to this is, let's just make Major 483 00:25:58,680 --> 00:26:01,560 Speaker 2: League Baseball run its course here. They don't really want 484 00:26:01,600 --> 00:26:04,520 Speaker 2: to see anything. He's out on bail, and he's a. 485 00:26:04,480 --> 00:26:07,159 Speaker 1: Pattern holds that if you've done it twice like this, 486 00:26:07,320 --> 00:26:12,360 Speaker 1: those are just the times that the woman reported it. Yes, 487 00:26:12,520 --> 00:26:14,840 Speaker 1: that the first time or the last time that it's happening. 488 00:26:14,880 --> 00:26:19,000 Speaker 1: It's what the guy does when he's not getting his way. 489 00:26:19,040 --> 00:26:22,080 Speaker 1: He gets there's people like this. They get angry and frustrated, 490 00:26:22,119 --> 00:26:23,760 Speaker 1: they don't get their way, and they blow up and 491 00:26:23,800 --> 00:26:26,960 Speaker 1: they strike out physically, I think. But nobody just does 492 00:26:27,000 --> 00:26:29,960 Speaker 1: it once. And I think both incidents happened in public. 493 00:26:30,040 --> 00:26:33,280 Speaker 1: They're looking for witnesses about the recent incident, but I 494 00:26:33,280 --> 00:26:34,760 Speaker 1: think the one in twenty nineteen, I think it was 495 00:26:34,760 --> 00:26:37,679 Speaker 1: in a parking garage or something where he was suspected 496 00:26:37,720 --> 00:26:40,679 Speaker 1: of getting violent with a woman, right he Managine what 497 00:26:40,760 --> 00:26:44,920 Speaker 1: goes on in private. That's kind of scary to think about. 498 00:26:44,960 --> 00:26:47,840 Speaker 2: But that's the implication here that this is clearly a 499 00:26:47,880 --> 00:26:50,440 Speaker 2: man that needs some a lot. 500 00:26:50,280 --> 00:26:51,440 Speaker 1: Of help and counseling. 501 00:26:53,320 --> 00:26:56,720 Speaker 5: Conway's here, Hey, God, Mark Thompson, do you think Julio's 502 00:26:56,720 --> 00:26:57,399 Speaker 5: wife is single? 503 00:26:57,960 --> 00:27:01,240 Speaker 1: Mark? What's wrong? What's wrong with you? Get out of here? 504 00:27:01,320 --> 00:27:06,200 Speaker 1: Out out Wow? Out. Oh god almighty, how did he 505 00:27:06,280 --> 00:27:07,199 Speaker 1: get loose? You know what? 506 00:27:07,320 --> 00:27:09,840 Speaker 5: He comes in, he records his podcast and he just 507 00:27:10,160 --> 00:27:13,360 Speaker 5: you know, he he flies in here, get out out 508 00:27:13,840 --> 00:27:17,720 Speaker 5: all right, Terry go all rightm just in time. Yeah, 509 00:27:17,760 --> 00:27:21,240 Speaker 5: Bob Barker died from Alzheimer's on his death certificate. 510 00:27:21,240 --> 00:27:22,120 Speaker 1: That's very soon. 511 00:27:22,960 --> 00:27:26,159 Speaker 5: And then the La Lakers Genie Bus got married to 512 00:27:26,480 --> 00:27:29,920 Speaker 5: Jay Moore, the comedian you know Jay Morris. 513 00:27:30,240 --> 00:27:33,280 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, around years he was in a lot of 514 00:27:33,280 --> 00:27:34,840 Speaker 2: movies about ten fifteen years ago. 515 00:27:34,920 --> 00:27:38,000 Speaker 5: But yes, yes, very funny and he does great impressions too. 516 00:27:38,280 --> 00:27:41,240 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, like you do well, okay, all right, thank you. 517 00:27:41,280 --> 00:27:44,080 Speaker 5: Ken, I appreciate that. Let's compliment until you do John. 518 00:27:45,760 --> 00:27:48,840 Speaker 5: I'm working on John right now. Not I can't do 519 00:27:48,920 --> 00:27:52,920 Speaker 5: a decent one. I can do Eric Eric's clod Yeah. 520 00:27:53,680 --> 00:27:55,480 Speaker 1: The market for wait, is there a market for that? 521 00:27:55,760 --> 00:27:58,520 Speaker 1: He woke up, He's like, you know what you're Yeah? 522 00:27:58,560 --> 00:28:04,639 Speaker 1: How about this Lakers. That's the Duke of sports, the Dodger. 523 00:28:04,880 --> 00:28:09,960 Speaker 1: I don't think I'm that quiet. I knew you'd taking 524 00:28:10,040 --> 00:28:10,560 Speaker 1: it personally. 525 00:28:11,600 --> 00:28:15,200 Speaker 5: And the other powertable jackpot winner, you remember that guy, 526 00:28:15,320 --> 00:28:15,959 Speaker 5: Edwin Castro. 527 00:28:16,560 --> 00:28:18,720 Speaker 1: Yeah, the guy won the two billion. Yeah, he's spending 528 00:28:18,760 --> 00:28:20,879 Speaker 1: more money. Guy spending a lot more money. Now she 529 00:28:21,000 --> 00:28:22,760 Speaker 1: spent him on us. Yeah, he goes crazy. 530 00:28:22,800 --> 00:28:25,920 Speaker 5: And then actor Gary Pucy man, that guy keeps going 531 00:28:26,200 --> 00:28:29,679 Speaker 5: and he's running to the people in this car allegedly 532 00:28:29,920 --> 00:28:32,639 Speaker 5: and no it doesn't stop and doesn't do the proper thing. 533 00:28:32,720 --> 00:28:34,800 Speaker 1: And the woman chased him. I love, yes, yeah, chase 534 00:28:34,880 --> 00:28:36,440 Speaker 1: him down. It's like, I'm let this guy get away. 535 00:28:37,040 --> 00:28:42,320 Speaker 1: There's another guy doesn't changed, right, that's right. We are 536 00:28:42,360 --> 00:28:43,360 Speaker 1: what we were born to be. 537 00:28:43,680 --> 00:28:45,800 Speaker 5: Yeah, by the by the age of seven or eight, 538 00:28:45,840 --> 00:28:47,280 Speaker 5: we are who we are, you know. 539 00:28:47,720 --> 00:28:49,960 Speaker 1: Yeah change Yeah. 540 00:28:50,160 --> 00:28:51,720 Speaker 5: And if you're and if you're out and if you're 541 00:28:52,200 --> 00:28:55,000 Speaker 5: aggressive after the age force, you're gonna end up in 542 00:28:55,000 --> 00:28:58,320 Speaker 5: prison or in a bad life. S don You've got it. 543 00:28:58,800 --> 00:29:00,960 Speaker 5: Parents have to reduce that Russian by age four. 544 00:29:01,280 --> 00:29:04,160 Speaker 1: I've heard the kindergarten teachers can pick out the psychopaths 545 00:29:04,160 --> 00:29:06,720 Speaker 1: at age five. Is that right? They know which guys 546 00:29:06,720 --> 00:29:07,640 Speaker 1: are gonna be Yeah. 547 00:29:07,680 --> 00:29:11,120 Speaker 5: Wow, that's wild, man. I think everyone's going in that direction, though, 548 00:29:11,160 --> 00:29:17,040 Speaker 5: I really do. God knows what your kindergarten teacher. How 549 00:29:17,080 --> 00:29:20,520 Speaker 5: about how about Doug Steckler. Doug Steckler's mom was a 550 00:29:21,440 --> 00:29:24,200 Speaker 5: was a what do they call me a a captain 551 00:29:24,480 --> 00:29:27,000 Speaker 5: or a coach or whatever. Of the girl boy scouts, 552 00:29:27,080 --> 00:29:28,560 Speaker 5: what do they call them? A troop leader or something 553 00:29:28,600 --> 00:29:31,520 Speaker 5: like that. Den mother, Yes, yes, a dead mother exactly. 554 00:29:32,600 --> 00:29:35,720 Speaker 5: And she had eight boys and three of them right 555 00:29:35,760 --> 00:29:37,680 Speaker 5: now are on death row in South Dakota. 556 00:29:37,840 --> 00:29:42,000 Speaker 1: Oh my god, isn't that wild? Good job? And they're 557 00:29:42,040 --> 00:29:47,200 Speaker 1: boy scouts, boy scouts, all these sharpened knives. It's part 558 00:29:47,200 --> 00:29:54,520 Speaker 1: of the tig dog, dig dog with you guys. 559 00:29:54,520 --> 00:29:59,520 Speaker 5: There he goes, Let's go, buddy, not part of the snow, okay, 560 00:29:59,560 --> 00:30:01,880 Speaker 5: not no comrosure is. 561 00:30:01,920 --> 00:30:04,960 Speaker 1: The news live in the twenty four hour KFI Newsroom. 562 00:30:05,280 --> 00:30:07,080 Speaker 2: Hey, you've been listening to the John and Ken Show. 563 00:30:07,080 --> 00:30:09,800 Speaker 2: You can always hear us live on KFI AM six 564 00:30:09,920 --> 00:30:13,200 Speaker 2: forty one pm to four pm every Monday through Friday, 565 00:30:13,240 --> 00:30:16,840 Speaker 2: and of course anytime on demand on the iHeartRadio app